[0:02] All right, Mayor, you are ready to go.

[0:06] All right, good afternoon, everyone. So glad to see everybody. On an odd day, June happy June 10th. Let me open up this meeting.

[0:19] Good afternoon, and welcome to the City of Leon Valley Special City Council meeting workshop. Today is Thursday June 19th, 2025, and it's approximately 5 p.m. And as you can see, all city council members are present. We do have a quorum.

[0:33] And if you can please stand, and I will leave us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:38] Thank you.

[0:40] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

[0:46] it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[0:53] All right.

[0:55] Okay.

[0:56] Did you get an agenda?

[0:58] Okay.

[1:04] All right.

[1:05] agenda item number two. Citizens to be heard. Any citizen wishing to address

[1:11] the city council at this time may come forward. Just state your name and

[1:14] generally where you reside and you have up to three minutes to speak.

[1:21] Okay. Hi

[1:22] Mr. Blackboard. Could you get afternoon and welcome?

[1:30] My name is Richard Blackmore

[1:31] Lee and Leon Valley. I want to address this thing. I know the council is supposed to

[1:37] have a council meeting on Tuesday. It was council's probably good reasons. But why

[1:43] in the world would you have it on a holiday? Today, June 19th, it's half of American

[1:51] day. Why are we celebrating? I just asked the staff in here, they're making you

[1:58] work today, and they said, yeah, the county, the state, federal government. It's not

[2:05] forcing anybody to work its holiday. And we're in here doing this. This could have

[2:09] been done yesterday or tomorrow or next week. That's all I got to say. God bless Texas.

[2:18] Thank you. Anyone else?

[2:22] Okay. Seeing no one else, we have several presentations this evening.

[2:27] And the first one is presentation 3.1. Presentation, discussion and possible approval of a resolution

[2:35] authorizing the use of eminent domain to acquire a 0.625 acre track, adjacent to age drive,

[2:45] a property described in the Bear County real property records at volume 2595, page 153,

[2:52] said property owned wholly or partially by the estate of Ivan H. Smith for a street and drainage

[3:00] system and other public's improvements and we have Melinda Moritz, our public

[3:04] works director here this afternoon to present. Good evening and welcome.

[3:08] Good evening. Glad you're here.

[3:09] Thank you very much.

[3:11] You bet.

[3:11] This portion of undeveloped street is at the end of age drive and it's not paid.

[3:16] It's just a Kalichi road. Two property owners down there have been using this

[3:19] unofficial type of easement as their driveway but when it rains it becomes

[3:23] inaccessible. Luckily they have a very kind neighbor over there who takes his

[3:28] tractor out and re-grades the road way for them, but it's pretty bad.

[3:32] The records indicate that this parcel was once owned by the estate of IVAH Smith, but

[3:37] it was not transferred upon the sales that occurred with their original 58 acre

[3:41] tract of land.

[3:42] So they sold off land at portions over time.

[3:46] The situation created a nomans land and there's no property owner to notify of the city's

[3:51] desire to have it developed as a proper street.

[3:53] Now yesterday I did hear from one of the neighbors over there and they did send me a

[3:57] a couple of D documents that may conflict with this.

[4:02] So I went ahead and sent those over to our city engineers

[4:04] so that he can compare the two.

[4:06] They've done extensive title searches though

[4:08] on this property and so I don't know.

[4:11] There is a chance that the surveyors were wrong.

[4:13] There's been over time, especially back in the early days,

[4:17] the surveyors have been wrong.

[4:19] So we'll see.

[4:21] So here's the aerial exhibit.

[4:23] Up here is Samaritan Drive.

[4:25] And this was the property that we used to own, but sold to the one stop group.

[4:30] This is the little easement that leads back to this house, and then there's one back here.

[4:36] Interestingly enough, this house actually does have a dedicated easement that goes right up to this place right here.

[4:45] So here's the first part, and this is up by Samaritan Driver, it is now.

[4:49] This is fictional syndicates, not been built, but this is actual age drive where it stops being owned by the city.

[4:55] And so it's this piece here and then it continues match lines here and continues all the way back and that one house is here

[5:04] And there's another house back here and you see that dedicated easement here

[5:10] Estimated costs a praise level would be 3,500 if needed. Survey was about 3,500. There may be court filing fees

[5:17] But I don't know what that cost is. The property purchase and this is of course if we can find an owner that we would have to pay the property owner

[5:25] the appraise value of the property and then the attorney fees we don't know yet because they're still ongoing and

[5:31] Then if we do acquire it the ongoing maintenance of the street once it's improved would be done by public works through our street maintenance sales tax

[5:39] We recommend approval of the resolution however because this is eminent domain the city council must

[5:46] Read this out loud and then you must approve it by a roll call vote. Okay, very good

[5:52] all right so let me open it up for any questions before we make a motion on

[5:59] this if any questions from either the council or anyone in our chambers yes

[6:04] Mr. Blackwell Mr. Blackwell go ahead and then if anyone on the Dias has any

[6:11] my

[6:13] name is Richard Blackmore I live in Leon Valley but I've seen on this on the

[6:17] computer that this easement is going to go right to a friend of mine's house you

[6:25] built that house with his own bare hands and this needs to be looked at real

[6:31] carefully. I have no problem with taking over the Smith property, that little

[6:38] section of it, but the easement, that roadway, you need to look at it real hard

[6:46] because I know some people going to fight like I'll get out if a city tries to go

[6:53] through their property and I just got off the phone with them just a little while ago about 30

[7:01] minutes ago and I hope y'all look at it closely hope the engineers read evaluate look at it and

[7:12] not give in to other forces outside our city and I know a lot of forces that going on right now

[7:23] Thank you very much. That's all I got to say. Thank you.

[7:27] So I guess just to follow up, Melinda, so this easement needs to be acquired so

[7:33] that we can build the street there for that subdivision, correct?

[7:39] Well, both. They want this. They need to put a hammerhead right in

[7:42] at this corner of Samaritan and AIDS Drive. Okay.

[7:45] And actually Samaritan is going to be moved up.

[7:47] And so the hammerhead will be actually further up.

[7:50] But you said hammer heads the hammer head of us. It's the design of the street. Okay, so that the fire trucks can get into that. All right.

[7:59] But this is currently being used as a roadway. It's going through what we determine is no man's land. They've done extensive deed searches on it.

[8:08] And so is it going to go through somebody else's property as Mr. Blackmore?

[8:15] I don't know. According to our survey. No. No. So just, okay. So it won't impact anybody else's

[8:23] ingress, egress, if we. We're going to take a look at the two deans that were given to us yesterday

[8:27] and make sure that it doesn't. Okay. And we'll have to go from there to see. And so should we wait until we act upon this?

[8:34] This is a first step. It still has to go before a judge and it still has to be published in the newspaper.

[8:40] Okay, but like I said, we've got their deeds and we're comparing them to the research that we did.

[8:45] Okay, very good. Mr. Composhetic, question or comment?

[8:53] So looking at this red line, you know, I just don't understand how this house is not affected.

[9:01] I just can you can you explain that? I mean, from what I can see that house right there,

[9:06] the red line is over overly big. Overly big. I outline the roadway. So the roadway comes

[9:13] right here in front of their house. It does not go through a house.

[9:16] And it's already being utilized as a roadway to the house.

[9:22] And have we talked to the homeowner?

[9:25] Yes.

[9:26] And do you know of any objectives for us to do it?

[9:30] Say again.

[9:31] They're very anxious for us to get it done.

[9:33] And in addition to that, the group, one stop group that owns this, has agreed to provide

[9:39] the asphalt to do the road.

[9:41] They're very anxious to have it done.

[9:43] So we have talked to this homeowner?

[9:46] Yes, sir.

[9:46] Okay, and so to our knowledge as the city of Leone Valley, they do not have any objections

[9:52] No, and we will not be taken in any of their property correct

[9:57] Okay, and do we have a estimated cost of what this is this

[10:02] The is it the asphalt that the one stop group? I don't have the estimated cost yet

[10:07] This is all preliminary. We have to get the we have to get access the land first. I can't even get out there to do

[10:14] the survey of what would be a roadway.

[10:16] I think they have planned on a 10 foot wide,

[10:18] but I'll have to go ask.

[10:20] Okay.

[10:21] We're not the ones going to construct it.

[10:23] Okay.

[10:24] 10 foot wide roadway.

[10:26] Mm-hmm.

[10:26] Is that common in Leon Valley?

[10:29] No, sir, and like I said,

[10:30] I don't know the particulars of it,

[10:32] but this access easement that goes to this house back here,

[10:35] I know they have promised them a 10 foot wide

[10:37] to get on that easement,

[10:38] and that is a dedicated easement.

[10:41] Okay, thank you.

[10:43] all right anyone else okay so go ahead yeah if you'll read the actual motion

[10:52] and then we'll have a second and then we have a row call vote and thank you so

[10:56] much for talking to the to the residents there it makes it a lot easier for us

[11:00] to move on to this I move approve of the resolution never have my glasses

[11:05] to bear with me I move approval of the resolution in the city of Leon Valley

[11:08] Authorize the use of the power of element domain to acquire property described as the property described in the Birkhani real property records at volume 2595 page 153 it remaining 0.625 acre track of land on 58.18 acre track said property on holy and partially by the state of Iva H Smith for a necessary fee simple acquisition for the purpose of amount.

[11:38] among other municipal purpose including but not limited to street and water work systems

[11:44] including drainage and emptying facilities and other public uses.

[11:51] We have the motion by Councillor Arosco and a second by Councillor Compos to approve

[11:59] this acquisition of the eminent domain and we do have a roll call vote as required by law.

[12:09] So I got it you want to go ahead and do after councilor I was gonna say councilor Bolton

[12:16] But our city manager will call the role

[12:19] Councilman Bolton. Yes

[12:21] Councilman Hyal yes

[12:23] Councilman Kumpos. Yes, Councilman Roscoe. Yes, Councilwoman Mersh. Yes

[12:29] Okay, thank you the motion passes five eyes and no nays. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it

[12:35] So

[12:42] moving on to presentation 3.2, presentation, discussion and possible action on the proposed fiscal year 2026 budget.

[12:52] We have Dr. Caldera, our city manager here this evening, to continue the discussion we've been talking.

[12:57] We originally talked about it on May 31st and then June 3rd and we decided to have another meeting.

[13:06] So this is a follow-up and I will ask you to begin.

[13:12] Good evening, Mayor and Councilman.

[13:13] I went through it again and I'm like, did we say that?

[13:17] Anyway, we'll have a good discussion, I'm sure.

[13:20] How do we want to do this again?

[13:22] If we have questions to go ahead.

[13:24] So this is a workshop, so this should be really informal.

[13:27] The big reason I was doing it in here and not in the large conference room was so I can stream it.

[13:31] And the people at home can see the power point.

[13:33] So they couldn't make it this evening because we are open on June 19th.

[13:38] And we also vote on that.

[13:40] Every year the council votes on our holidays.

[13:42] And so y'all vote for us to be open on June 19th.

[13:45] And so y'all will have that discussion

[13:47] when we come in August.

[13:48] Yeah, fine.

[13:49] I was going to say we haven't voted on it for this year.

[13:51] Yeah, but this next budget.

[13:52] Yeah, so.

[13:55] OK, so proposed annual budget for FY 2026.

[13:59] So you'll see a lot of differences.

[14:00] I'll try to go over all the changes.

[14:02] But you'll see quite a bit of changes

[14:04] from the last time I presented to this time.

[14:06] For those of you that met with me individually, you've seen the new numbers, but we're going

[14:10] to go over them for the purposes of the general public.

[14:12] So your capital reserve fund is sitting at 5.2 million, your emergency fund is sitting

[14:17] at 1.2, so that leaves you with 6.4, which is really, really good.

[14:21] And so you have about 5.1 months of operating income, which is great.

[14:27] But your operating deficit is sitting at about 350,000.

[14:32] your operating revenues are about 14 million to fund the FY26 you were leaving

[14:39] the tax rate the same so when we're looking at these numbers the tax rate is

[14:42] remaining at 0.48 and again this will be adjusted depending on what the

[14:48] county gives us at the end of July so we're still waiting on what the no new

[14:51] revenue rate will look like but if the council decides to leave the tax rate

[14:55] the same based on the current estimates we do have from the county we are

[15:02] The market value decreased was about $46 million, and I do have a chart in here that will kind of break that down for you. We also don't know how much we'll lose an appeal this year, and the projected increase in advalorem taxes $167,000. The average city of Leon Valley levies about $1,120 from taxes. The majority of your advalorem tax goes to the school district.

[15:30] This is a property valuation loss.

[15:32] I know it's a lot of information, but because I referenced the 46 million, I wanted y'all

[15:36] to see where the majority of your valuation loss was, and as you can see, it was multi-family

[15:43] residential.

[15:44] So those are your apartment complexes, and so you will see that they had a 31 million

[15:49] dollar valuation loss for this coming fiscal year.

[15:54] and what is special inventory on that where are you at all the way down it's a

[16:00] negative two nine hundred and sixty five I don't know I'm gonna have to go look

[16:04] that up I don't know do you know what that was County yeah I don't I have I

[16:09] don't know I have to look that up I didn't know at one point but it's I don't

[16:12] remember I'll get up for you well I've just did anybody else I wanted to want

[16:17] to know what that meant okay all right I'm just so my big concern is always up

[16:22] here. I'm looking at single family, multi-family, and commercial. Those are my big

[16:26] three that we're paying the closest attention to. But that is a million, close to a million

[16:30] dollar valuation loss. I'll take a look and see what that is for you.

[16:37] As you can see, this is just a history of your tax rate. You were sitting at 0.53 and 2023.

[16:43] We adjusted the tax rate to 0.48. We've held that tax rate now, and that's what we're projecting

[16:48] for next year, as of right now, these are your projected revenues. These are your losses where

[16:55] you're seeing the majority of your losses. Of course, you're out of the lorum tax

[16:58] sitting at 167 loss. We are projecting a 2% increase in your sales tax, but again, that could

[17:04] possibly adjust depending on what the numbers continue to come in at. Your franchise fees are down,

[17:09] your building permit fee is slightly down, but remember, your building permit fee, if you take a look

[17:13] get that fee, it's a washout to what we anticipate paying our inspectors so they match.

[17:21] So even if you raise your building permits, thinking you're going to get more houses, you're

[17:25] going to expend it the exact same amount to your health inspector and to your building

[17:29] inspector.

[17:30] So those two numbers are a wash and I can kind of show you that when we get to it.

[17:35] Court fines are down a little bit, your EMS revenue is up.

[17:40] Grants are a little bit lower, and then just other is slightly.

[17:45] You can take a look at your breakdown, of course, the majority of your revenue comes

[17:48] from your avalorum tax, followed by sales tax.

[17:51] Your expenditures are sitting at 15 million, which is a decrease from last year, about 155,000.

[17:57] Your capital expenditures are sitting at 2.5, which is a small decrease of 735 is comparison

[18:02] to last year.

[18:04] Your biggest expenditure is of course personnel and the biggest piece of the pie of your personnel

[18:11] is public safety followed by public works.

[18:16] This is the general fund summary page and so essentially what you're looking at is

[18:21] your total resources so that's your total revenue you're gaining 16.2 million dollars but

[18:27] all for that 16.2 you need to take out your grant for your hike and bike trail and your

[18:31] So you're sitting really at $14.6 million in total operating revenue and your expenditures

[18:39] are sitting at $17.6 million but then you take out, I'm sorry, you take out your capital

[18:47] from that amount, so that will leave you with $15 million, $15.37, so you are short currently

[18:55] at a deficit of $350,000.

[18:59] So, I anticipate us taking a look at possibly in order to meet that deficit depending on what your

[19:04] tax rate comes in at about three pennies would bring you the $300,000 in unless you all want to add

[19:11] more items to your budget like I've provided y'all cuts that most of y'all seemed okay with.

[19:17] There are some notes that I provided y'alls to open up the discussion when we hit those items and so

[19:22] So it will depend on what you want to add back in that budget, it will increase this amount.

[19:28] And so you'll have to determine how you're going to come up with those funds.

[19:32] Okay.

[19:32] So I just guess I wanted to understand it for myself and for anyone else.

[19:37] But so our avalorum taxes, you've kept it at the same point for eight, but our actual

[19:46] taxes that were anticipated are lower because the

[19:50] prasals were down. So when we find a number at the end of July from the county

[19:56] that number 0.48 to get the same revenue of last year.

[20:01] 0.48 may not give you the same number. That's what I'm saying.

[20:04] That's my question. It probably won't. Right?

[20:07] So I can give you all a tax lesson but I'm just saying it's going to be probably more.

[20:13] correct so you're no new revenue right but I've been here when you have chosen

[20:17] the council has chosen not to adopt your no-new revenue rate against staff's

[20:20] recommendation we always at minimum recommend that you adopt at minimum your

[20:25] no-new revenue rate and so I always try to plan your budget based on your no-new

[20:29] revenue rate that's I mean for as long as I've been here that's what I try to keep

[20:33] it to occasionally make if we have something planned we'll ask for an extra

[20:36] penny or something if something's coming up but I try as your city manager to

[20:40] to keep to your known new revenue rate.

[20:41] I do think that the projected amount

[20:43] for your known new revenue rate will probably go up.

[20:46] I'm not gonna give you a number.

[20:47] I have an estimate of what I think it is.

[20:49] But well, that will reduce the 350, probably.

[20:53] So that's what that's my point is.

[20:55] Yes, so you don't really know until the end of July.

[20:58] But that's, we know that in order to raise

[21:00] the same amount of property tax revenue,

[21:03] the county's gonna come in at a higher tax rate

[21:06] as your known new revenue rate.

[21:07] but that doesn't, from a legal perspective,

[21:10] you can still stick with the point for eight.

[21:12] And anytime we prepare the budget,

[21:14] we always prepare based on your tax year

[21:17] from the preceding year.

[21:18] That's just what we have at the time.

[21:20] And we use that tax rate and apply it

[21:22] to your property evaluations,

[21:23] and that's how we come up with the ad of the Lauren tax.

[21:26] But yes, the council will have to make a decision

[21:29] whether or not to, at minimum, adopt your new revenue rate,

[21:33] which will probably be slight increase

[21:34] in your property tax, which would probably be

[21:36] staff's recommendation, or keep your property tax the same and find somewhere else to cut

[21:42] from this budget, and we've given you other recommendations in order to be able to

[21:45] do that, or add things into the budget and increase more than your new revenue rate.

[21:53] But then that's a council decision on what you'll want to do with that.

[21:56] All right.

[21:57] Thank you.

[21:57] You always should.

[22:00] And when the numbers come in, I'll give you all a quick rundown of how property tax, like

[22:06] voter approval. I'll give you a little bit of a lesson on that. For those of you that

[22:10] don't know that. So this is just your revenue sources. This breaks it down. This is your

[22:15] advalorum tax broken down, your sales tax broken down, and your franchise fees broken down.

[22:22] Your licensing fees and fines that you see on the summary page. This is all of them broken

[22:26] down as far as your revenue. These are all the grants that we get throughout the year.

[22:31] your general fund actual revenue that's considered other on that page, this is it all broken down here,

[22:40] now we get into your expenditure piece and this is where we break down your expenditures.

[22:45] So the biggest one here you can see court, we dropped their.

[23:03] So what I didn't go over on the first general summary slide is personnel is up 5% roughly

[23:08] 5.1 or 5.2%.

[23:12] And so the thing that we also don't know as well as the tax rate is I don't know what

[23:16] the health insurance number is.

[23:17] And as most of you that have done this with me before, we will not get those numbers

[23:21] in until close to August.

[23:23] And so sometimes it goes hand in hand.

[23:25] Sometimes we get a break, sometimes we don't.

[23:27] I have projected a 14% increase in your health insurance.

[23:31] That is just a number based on the national trend number.

[23:36] When we ask for the rates, interences do it by calendar year.

[23:41] We operate on a fiscal year, and so in April they don't have true numbers yet.

[23:46] You have one utilization report, and so it's really not the best number to go by, but we

[23:52] We should have some better numbers for you here in the next month or so.

[23:56] Okay, you know, I looked at that professional services, but then I remembered that's the prosecutor and you moved it from the city manager into the court and that's why that's significantly winning.

[24:08] Yeah, so we'll get that to that pay, that's why the upcoming slide.

[24:11] So this is the general summary of expenditures for the court.

[24:14] Okay, Councilor Marche has a kind of question.

[24:17] One thing I noticed from the last version to this current version is there's a lot of variability in the workers comp and then in the liability.

[24:26] Are you moving people around?

[24:28] No, so we got the numbers in.

[24:29] So these are the solid numbers for workers comp and liability.

[24:32] But so many of them went up, but some of them went down.

[24:35] So workers comp is calculated by rate and so they're given a rate by our workers comp provider.

[24:43] 88-10 is your administrative offices and depending on how we did last year, so your

[24:48] administrative personnel, like the people that sit in chairs, depending on how many

[24:52] workers comp claims we had filed in the last three years, will be dependent on how high

[24:57] our rate goes.

[24:58] That's for them.

[24:59] Police and fire are the same way.

[25:02] So if they have claims in the last two to three years, then they'll go up.

[25:05] And so this year though, we didn't see, we actually had a, based on our projections,

[25:10] you actually went down in workers comp.

[25:12] We've moved personnel around like I've pulled so you'll see like PD dropped

[25:17] But it's because I moved the two code guys out of PD and made them their own thing

[25:23] We have people starting at different salaries because they may be newer employees

[25:27] So you'll see a drop in workers come there because the rate is also based on salary

[25:32] So their rate is applied to the individual we have a whole spreadsheet

[25:37] But the rates broken down based on your classification and there's a modifier

[25:42] and that goes into that calculation and so TML will give us those rates we

[25:46] plug them in and we it's adjusted as part of your salary okay well I did

[25:51] notice that there were a lot of increases but there were some decreases so

[25:54] that's why I suspected that you were moving people from different so we have

[25:58] people that got moved from different accounts but then you have people to have a

[26:02] modifier that went up because we may have had claims last year or the year

[26:07] before or multiple years in a row. So that does go up and down. It does fluctuate.

[26:13] And then they drop off after so many years too.

[26:17] Okay. Thank you.

[26:18] And we do have more sensitive people now than we used to.

[26:22] But here is your municipal court. So you can see here we dropped everything as we possibly

[26:31] we could, we were just leaving postage,

[26:34] janitorial supplies, we're only cleaning the judges'

[26:37] row once, some replacement for court equipment,

[26:41] and then I did move the prosecutor over here,

[26:44] that's how much we pay for a prosecutor.

[26:46] I did cut the court dates down in half,

[26:49] so you will see that the judges fee

[26:52] and the extra meetings all went down as well,

[26:56] we cut those dates in half.

[26:57] In spite of, we gave them an increase.

[27:00] Right, so you gave them a pay increase and so in the original budget

[27:04] I had the increase plus all of your dates, okay, so you they still have their increase

[27:09] I have to pay per the contract, but I cut their dates in half you cut their dates in half, okay, and that's why it went down

[27:14] Court

[27:15] once or I mean twice a month

[27:17] First and last instead of every once every week every Thursday, okay, so twice a month

[27:24] So that's the biggest change that's the biggest change. You'll see there. Oh, excuse me counselor come

[27:30] Post has a question.

[27:31] So what do we anticipate the effect to be

[27:35] in our the number of people appearing for court?

[27:39] I have no idea how many.

[27:40] So the reason that I felt comfortable with it

[27:43] is because you're seeing a drop in your court fines too.

[27:46] So that tells me that there's less people coming to court.

[27:49] There's less people coming to pay their citations.

[27:51] There's less people, so when I,

[27:54] so I come from being here for 20 years.

[27:56] When I first started here, we'd have court every Thursday

[27:59] and the line literally wrapped around the building.

[28:01] I haven't seen that in probably 10 years.

[28:04] And so, you know, we can't give a quota to issue citations.

[28:09] I'm not seeing the court numbers,

[28:11] let us showing up, like showing up on court day,

[28:14] like I used to, we used to see 100 to 150 people.

[28:16] If you look at my sitting managers report,

[28:18] you're seeing 40, 60, 30.

[28:22] It is a higher workload for the court

[28:26] than they have been used to over the last couple of years and so they're just they're it's gonna that people are gonna have to wait

[28:34] I mean that's just the gist of it. I mean we prided ourselves in trying to move people very quickly through the court

[28:40] But you know if you're coming to court, you're probably gonna have to wait a little bit and so they're just from the customer service aspect

[28:46] You are hurting that service by me cutting that in half

[28:50] But again if it's something you want to add full court days back on

[28:54] and that was, you double both of those numbers

[28:57] for the judges' fees.

[28:58] And can you recall what that savings was?

[29:02] So you just double it.

[29:03] So it was an additional 11,350 on both of those.

[29:06] So 22,000 total.

[29:09] Okay, Councillor Orozco had his hand up first

[29:12] and then Councillor Orozco.

[29:13] My first question, Dr. C.

[29:14] How much do we pay for jurors for serving?

[29:16] Ooh, Tiffany, how much do we pay for jurors?

[29:18] Six dollars a day.

[29:20] Six dollars, six dollars.

[29:21] $20 because Verconi went up to $20, but I'm not going to say anything.

[29:28] Okay.

[29:29] Thank you.

[29:30] You also don't have to pay for parking here.

[29:33] You don't have to what?

[29:35] Pay for parking?

[29:36] Oh, that's true.

[29:37] You don't pay for parking here.

[29:38] I think we're normally five minutes down the road because it's Leon Valley residents.

[29:43] Councillor Marsh.

[29:44] So, are there any negatives to cutting the court by half in terms of the contract with

[29:52] the judges?

[29:53] No.

[29:54] There's not a mandatory number of court days that were required to have further agreement.

[30:00] Okay. They used to work twice a month each of them. And now they'll just work one day a month each of the two. Yeah. And I've been here when we've done this before. I mean, this isn't new. So this isn't my first budget that we've been bare bones. I've been here when we've gone a half days. I've been here when we've held court one on Monday, one on Thursday. And one was like a show cause hearings and one was just court. So I've done it when we've only had court once a month.

[30:28] And I wouldn't recommend it, it was a little bit more painful, and to me, you hurt your

[30:37] revenue more.

[30:37] When you cut down court dates, sometimes you do hurt your revenue, so we'll kind of see

[30:40] what that does to us next year and maybe we'll just back next fiscal year.

[30:46] But everybody took a hit and you know, y'all sat through me individually when we went through

[30:50] those.

[30:51] And so it was a $22,000 savings.

[30:55] But again, if you want to add it up, if you want to add it back in, just know you're

[30:58] going to change that 350 deficit, you're going to add about 22,000 back to that.

[31:04] Okay.

[31:05] Very good.

[31:06] Anyone else?

[31:07] Yes.

[31:07] Councillor Marche.

[31:09] So the other thing I noticed besides the workers' comp is the liability insurance.

[31:13] It wasn't even a line item on this previous version, so we used to have workers' comp and

[31:18] property and liability all on the bottom under contractual services and we moved it into

[31:23] personnel.

[31:24] okay and so the way Vicki had it yeah and Vicki had it, Vicki just did it

[31:30] differently and I'm trying to get you to the exact penny and so she would like

[31:38] she would do it by percentage piece we're doing it exactly per the

[31:42] department so like we're breaking it down by individual employee Vicki did it by

[31:46] an overall percentage number but in order to get you I mean you all want to like

[31:51] zero base like this is as close as you're probably ever gonna get to zero base

[31:54] We broke it down per employee and associated that employee with a specific dollar amount for the department. They are being paid out of

[32:00] So you'll see some variations there because we are being not I don't want to say more accurate, but we're closer to the

[32:08] actual number

[32:12] Thank you

[32:15] That is municipal court

[32:17] We are on to finance

[32:19] finance has a very low budget.

[32:22] These are all mandatory fees.

[32:24] We have to pay the county, the auditor,

[32:26] our GFLA staff, our SEC ruling, our embonds.

[32:31] These are all their portions for telephone,

[32:33] water, electricity, advertising.

[32:38] Here is the, oops, sorry.

[32:40] So they don't really have much there.

[32:43] I think I took like $1,000 from them when we met.

[32:47] City manager's budget.

[32:50] This is the summary of that.

[32:54] Here you go.

[32:55] You can see that we did really no increases.

[32:59] We did add our portion for postage, our janitorial supplies.

[33:03] I did leave the meeting supplies in there, letterhead, shared supplies.

[33:09] You'll see no real increases, more of like broken out activity.

[33:16] We did cut all the employee awards, pins, employee appreciation.

[33:20] Anything that I determined, I don't want to say unimportant, but frivolous, like it's the

[33:26] taxpayers' dollars and so we try to keep everything to stuff that we actually needed.

[33:31] So we cut all the awards, all the employee appreciation stuff.

[33:36] I do have 10,000 for non-retainer questions for the attorney.

[33:41] You'll see that kind of request here, economic development budget and the red light camera

[33:46] budget.

[33:47] It's any question outside of that $60,000 that were required to pay for your

[33:51] sitting for your attorney's contract. So any question that comes up that it

[33:56] requires a legal response comes out of that $10,000 and again I have $12,000 in

[34:01] economic development and I want to say another $8,000 in red light camera. Then you

[34:07] have your TML non-retainer. So that means if we get sued and TML is going to

[34:12] cover the litigation, that's your $5,000 deductible. So we budget for

[34:17] approximately one lawsuit a year.

[34:24] We have our bear county elections, your bonds and then your

[34:29] portions of like the telephone printing and advertising those kind of things. I do have your

[34:35] travel and stuff broken down. I did give you all that but it was too for me to squeeze it on here

[34:42] and you know I was just as I was going through the budget today or today and last night I said oh

[34:47] Oh, where did all those mini-code?

[34:49] We need to have open records, but you moved it to IT.

[34:52] Yes, ma'am.

[34:52] So that's what you were doing.

[34:53] So you'll see some time.

[34:54] But you'll find it if you keep on going through the budget.

[34:58] So anyway, yes, Councillor Compas.

[35:03] I'd just like to highlight for our citizens that there's

[35:06] a decrease in the haven for hope of 28,790.

[35:12] And that the reason why we do not have it in this budget

[35:15] Is that bear County is going to be paying the 100% of that is they got a grant and so they're going to

[35:23] Supposedly cover the remainder of that for next year. I just want to highlight that. I did cut a

[35:29] Colgan water service

[35:31] You know anything again that was that was paid out of here. We also had

[35:37] Like all the HR programs HR recruiting open enrollment. I cut all of those we would sometimes give like little lunch bags

[35:44] or something when an employee would start or you know pins or something we just cut all of that.

[35:51] Yeah I don't know I mean I know we don't have enough money for all of that but I just hate

[35:56] not to have incentives for our employees you know awards and stuff. I think that's part of

[36:01] working right well if you ask the employees whether or not they want to be brought up to market

[36:08] level or would they want a pin? They want their money. Got you? All right. Very good.

[36:14] That's important. I mean, forget those pins, right? Do you want a pin or a trophy to hang on

[36:18] your phone? Oh, okay. That's right. Well, they said they can't take it to HUB and buy groceries as

[36:24] their common response. There you go. And they probably would rather have a day off to rather than

[36:29] yes. Yeah. Okay.

[36:34] Let's see here. Information technology. So you'll see these, you'll see this

[36:40] here. I'm trying really hard. This was a new one we brought in last year that you're

[36:45] before. As you see, something slowly kind of getting moved into this department. This

[36:52] is where you house municode under your contractual service. We put them all here. Your Just

[36:58] FOIA, your open record, your website, all of that's there. Your Microsoft Office license,

[37:06] your nitro, your morocchi, which is your firewall stuff.

[37:10] The majority of your encode is here.

[37:14] Now, speaking with Councillor Compos, so you do pay,

[37:17] and I've sent you all this in an update, you do have a portion

[37:20] of encode paid out of water and sewer already.

[37:24] That is just for the utility billing portion of it

[37:27] that we put over there.

[37:28] But he brought up a valid point when I was meeting with him

[37:31] that we still do their financial reconciliation piece.

[37:34] So I could take approximately eight more thousand out of the general fund and move it over in the water and the water fund

[37:41] Of your encode services. So just keep that in mind. It's just I haven't done it yet, but just you know, you can note that a little bit

[37:52] I had a question about tech lead. I thought we were increasing that for next year not decreasing it

[37:57] It'll depend on how much staff

[37:59] Extra that I need for staff time. Okay. All right. So if they're gonna come and help

[38:04] Daniel, or they're not, or what we're going to do with that, it'll be dependent on that.

[38:10] We're trying to get all those projects cleaned up. Hopefully we'll get them done by now to the fiscal year.

[38:15] Thank you.

[38:16] Police expenditures.

[38:20] I'm going to get down to the breakdown because it's just easier for me to go through the big breakdown.

[38:24] You can see we kept everything pretty flush.

[38:27] You'll see a decrease in ammunition.

[38:28] What I did was I moved that over into crime control and red light cameras.

[38:33] But when we touch red light cameras, I'm probably going to move a little bit more out of red light cameras and over into crime control because you still have about 11,000 in the good and crime control.

[38:42] So it makes sense to kind of move some more stuff over there. And when we get to red light cameras, we'll have a conversation a little bit about what that's looking like. But in here, you can see I really didn't give him increases anywhere.

[38:53] There we did have to increase the computer stuff and radio equipment.

[39:00] We just need to purchase and update some of our items.

[39:03] Other than that, he had no other increases.

[39:05] You can see that his total increases were $6,900 total.

[39:11] And what's the shooting range?

[39:13] You didn't have it this year, but you have it next year.

[39:15] Is that new?

[39:16] No, where are you at?

[39:18] Police Department.

[39:19] It's just broken down.

[39:20] It was included under a different line.

[39:22] I know.

[39:23] just break down every single thing. They had to prove every dollar to me this year. And so it was

[39:28] grouped in with another item. All right. It was just like in there as operating miscellaneous, I think.

[39:34] But they're required to go to the, they're required by law to go. Okay.

[39:41] Here's the breakdown by

[39:42] your police department. The biggest increase is your CAD and that's just going up in price.

[39:50] cable, the other big thing to know, oh, it's in red light cameras, is your Wi-Fi.

[39:55] We do have Google Fiber providing service, so that may cut the cost a little bit in your

[40:01] Wi-Fi amount.

[40:04] The only capital is the gym equipment and the police department, and it's just the treadmill,

[40:09] and so what we're going to do, we need to replace that, all that gym equipment needs to be replaced,

[40:13] but what we're going to do is just replace one piece a year is kind of my goal, so we're

[40:17] doing the treadmill this year next year we'll do the

[40:19] roar and so on and so on. And on the page before you

[40:22] had animal aborting 20,000 and you move that to another

[40:26] section. So we can make it with it. We made its own

[40:28] department. Sorry, with the code in animal. That's where that

[40:31] went. That just wanted to verify that. Okay, thank you.

[40:35] This is your end pound lot. You can see this is. Excuse me,

[40:38] just second counselor compass. Could you go back to one more

[40:42] slide right here, animal boarding. Tell us a little bit about the increase of the

[40:51] 14,780 in the axon vehicle body cameras. That's just your increase for your

[40:58] axon equipment. So all of your vehicles and your body worn stuff, some of it

[41:06] just needs to be replaced as outdated. I mean the chief income and give a better

[41:09] fight than I can for?

[41:15] Good evening, everyone. Good evening, how are you? So this is to

[41:19] for my fireman, that our policeman, we're going to have to purchase some

[41:24] equipment and we're going to put it in their vehicles just like our

[41:28] vehicles. We have had instances where we need them to be video recording just

[41:38] like we do because if they take a police action,

[41:43] if they're questioned, it's going to come

[41:44] to me. So if I don't have the same thing for them that I have for our guys, then that

[41:51] will create a problem. So we're going to standardize the equipment in everybody's vehicle.

[41:56] Okay. And how many people are that are in the fire department? The three? Just three.

[42:02] However, any one of the three can operate any of their equipment, so this is their equipment and our equipment.

[42:10] Okay, so I thank you for the explanation chief valid reason for it, but my right, but my question is

[42:20] why isn't that a capital expenditure as a per individual pieces and their life expectancy isn't five years?

[42:27] Okay. How long?

[42:29] It's a $14,000 one item.

[42:32] Each individual item is not,

[42:35] does it reach the capital expense?

[42:37] I have.

[42:38] We've tried with the police stuff as capital

[42:40] before in the auditorium,

[42:41] except it's the capital item.

[42:43] It's why I'm expecting it.

[42:44] And what about getting this equipment

[42:48] out of the other type of funds?

[42:53] I'm going to check out right now

[42:54] in your other funds.

[42:56] I mean, I can take, if you don't want to move your ammunition over to crime control,

[43:01] you can move 11,000 of this over to crime control if you wanted to.

[43:06] But it's a wash, but it wouldn't have a net zero effect.

[43:09] Okay.

[43:10] So.

[43:10] Well, it would alleviate from your general fund dollars, but I forget your crime control

[43:15] prevention is very specific to your crime control preventors.

[43:18] It's covering.

[43:19] This is for police officers in the fire department, so it needs to come from general fund dollars.

[43:25] Forfeiture doesn't qualify for that or anything like that.

[43:28] The absolute police officer housed in the police department.

[43:30] Okay, thank you.

[43:32] Okay, thank you, Chief.

[43:37] Okay,

[43:41] any other questions on this?

[43:45] Yes, go ahead, Councillor.

[43:46] There's a big swing here of what Councillor Mersh was looking at.

[43:53] 44,901 decrease in liability insurance.

[43:57] Can you kind of discuss this?

[43:58] Two guys, two people that were housed here.

[44:01] your two animal control and code enforcement got moved out of there and moved over into

[44:06] their own section. And then you also have a slurry of new officers coming on and so their

[44:12] pay is lower and so therefore that number will come down a little bit. Thank you.

[44:17] You're welcome. So back to capital, again we're requesting just the treadmill.

[44:23] in-pound lot you can see it's a very, very small budget, 16,000. The biggest

[44:30] increase here is your auto data direct and it's just required for us to post our

[44:37] vehicles on. There was a section called standby. What is that? That's your standby

[44:43] pay. But it's for Jimmy, so Jimmy is also a detective. And so anytime we take

[44:49] In pound of vehicles, then there's drugs on the back. He's functions is that person. He's got to come in

[44:54] He's your sticky stamp. Okay, so that pays him for coming in correct and that means he can't

[45:00] Drinker go out, he's on standby. Okay. So he's essentially at work at home like he can't do anything. Okay. I mean, I say drink, but I don't know what people do on their. Thank you. I just had that seen that before. Okay. Thank you. Probably not the best term, but can't leave town can't do anything has to be on standby. Okay. We pay them for that. The capital item for in pound is the cameras. We just need to add a few cameras back here at in pound. Fire expenditures. This is just a breakdown.

[45:31] The thing I did mention when I met with you all individually, the thing that I would

[45:35] like to see increased for him had to do with his repairs and maintenance external.

[45:42] He requested $100,000.

[45:44] He's tracking about $100,000.

[45:47] But last year of 70, I went ahead and relinquished to 70.

[45:51] And if he's got any big expenditures, he'd have to come to council.

[45:54] but we do have things that go out on fire trucks and ambulances and they're

[45:59] just not cheap and so even our new stuff or old stuff whatever it is he's got

[46:03] to get it repaired and sometimes their emergency repairs so so we do at some

[46:09] point have extra money that's where I would like to see it you know repairs

[46:15] maintenance there same thing in the police police department we also have to

[46:19] have a conversation now that we're on the police and fire for those of you I gave

[46:23] maybe I'll send you all the legislative update.

[46:26] There's 260 legislative pieces.

[46:30] Excuse me, before I forget,

[46:32] the governor did sign that bill for the water today.

[46:35] Yes, so that was good, so I just want to let you know.

[46:38] But I did, so the list that I gave you

[46:41] is the list that's going to apply to us.

[46:44] So it is quite an extensive list.

[46:46] And so there is a lot of training pieces in there.

[46:50] And we're going to have to take a look

[46:53] look at the training dollars associated with what we have programmed into the budget.

[46:59] I may need an actual extra like close to 10,000 on both police and fire in order to cover

[47:05] those costs.

[47:06] I'm waiting.

[47:07] The only reason I haven't plugged that in and the only reason we're not having an in-depth

[47:10] conversation about it is I'm going to my legislative update tomorrow and Saturday, sorry,

[47:17] Saturday morning.

[47:18] And so I will be able to have a better idea of what those requirements are going to look

[47:23] like and if it's going to be every single officer by a certain date or what that date looks

[47:28] like.

[47:29] The Uvalde Strong Act has a lot of training requirements for both police and fire.

[47:34] Police also have additional mental illness stuff that have come out and some other things

[47:38] that have come out.

[47:39] And so I just need to make sure that the training dollars are correct.

[47:43] And so I'll have a better idea of who that's going to apply to and how much money needs to be added if any to either of those accounts

[47:51] So you also had just keep that in mind and I'll again, I'll have a better idea. I'm hopefully by the end of the week. Yes, Councilor

[47:59] So those are commonly referred to is unfunded mandates. Yeah, so they are putting more requirements on us, but not providing us with any dollars

[48:12] So the audience knows that, so when we're talking about those increases, it's not something

[48:17] that we're, we need to comply with, but-

[48:21] And the other component-

[48:22] But we have to do it.

[48:23] Right, you don't have a choice.

[48:24] We have a choice.

[48:25] You have to do it in order to be compliance, but you're also playing for overtime because

[48:28] when those guys are out at training and if we have to do it in bulk by said date, I've

[48:32] got to send a group of people at one time, that means people have to stay here and then

[48:37] they switch.

[48:37] And so there's overtime that gets applied during that time frame in order to meet these men.

[48:41] It happens every time legislature, last time they had like four or five additional training sessions that came out.

[48:47] But we were lucky last time a lot of them were webinar, some of them were free.

[48:51] So sometimes that happens and so I'm not looking at a big increase in dollars.

[48:55] I don't know what this looks like yet.

[48:56] And so that's, I'm just bringing it up because it could be an addition to your budget.

[49:00] That's not currently there.

[49:01] Okay, Councilor Rosca.

[49:02] Yeah.

[49:03] Oh, thank you, Mayor.

[49:05] Dr. Codilla, on the medical control, taking $7,000 out, what exactly is medical control?

[49:12] We're required.

[49:13] Your EMS is required to have a doctor on staff 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

[49:17] We use UT health.

[49:18] And so we went out for bid for your medical director, and his rate just came in a little bit lower

[49:23] than we originally anticipated in the budget, like we just had a guesstimate, and so it came

[49:27] in.

[49:28] So this is to the exact dollar per the contract, okay?

[49:30] So, and also on the strike, you allocated $2,000 on that.

[49:36] Are we having to pay the RMAG and the strike in order to be part of the, we do.

[49:45] This is your ambulance.

[49:47] This is actually ARPRA money for your capital.

[49:51] Hopefully, we were hoping to get it.

[49:53] Yes.

[49:54] Oh, I'm sorry.

[49:55] Councillor Murge.

[49:56] How are you?

[49:57] I'm sorry.

[49:57] Before you fire, some things caught my attention in the supplies.

[50:01] supplies and medications went from like $74,000 to $2,000?

[50:06] Where do you see that?

[50:11] Disposable.

[50:12] Which page?

[50:13] No, it went from $72,000 to $74,000.

[50:16] Oh, OK.

[50:16] It went up by $2,000.

[50:17] OK.

[50:18] All right.

[50:18] And then oxygen also was one that changed.

[50:21] It went up $600 just to cost of oxygen.

[50:23] OK.

[50:23] Just the cost.

[50:24] And then the PPE and decontamination?

[50:26] It's just the cost of those items going up.

[50:28] Those are your personal protection equipment

[50:31] and your decontamination supplies to rip down everything.

[50:34] And they've gotten other mandates too when they take out a patient.

[50:39] There's criteria they have to do in order to decontaminate the ambulances

[50:42] every time they switch out a patient.

[50:45] Thank you, you're welcome.

[50:48] Anything else?

[50:50] And do we know the status of the ambulance?

[50:54] Chief, we got a new status of the ambulance.

[50:55] Yeah, is it, are we going to hopefully get it in FY26?

[50:59] six. Yes. Okay. Good. 20 this year. No. Not so much. Okay. It's it's we finalized all of our

[51:12] graphics. We've done all this. It's in movement right now, but we'll see it by December or

[51:20] January. How long does it take you for an ambulance now?

[51:26] 600 days after you get your stuff. Like we had to buy, they'll no longer

[51:35] supply a vehicle. We bought the vehicle already last year. Been sitting on the

[51:42] side of our building with 88 miles on it for two years now.

[51:50] It was supposed to be a long year long delivery, it was 11 days, but we got it before tariffs,

[52:00] we got it before everything, and fire trucks are four years, so everything is like this now.

[52:11] That's a concern because I know in the future we need more ambulances and stuff.

[52:16] Can you just put like a down payment on it or you have to pay for it all at front or how does that work?

[52:22] You can order it.

[52:23] You can order it.

[52:24] The same manager and I have talked about the spacing of these things and we need to commit to an ambulance in October.

[52:34] And hopefully October 25, hopefully we'll get it in 27, 28 budget, but we need to commit to it.

[52:44] Okay.

[52:45] And dedicate.

[52:46] To get, because we're waiting in line, is all right.

[52:48] Yeah, that's what I was, that was the gist of the question.

[52:51] Yeah.

[52:51] So that when I said that you'll have the 6 million sitting there, that's been one of the things

[52:56] I've sent you on the past, you know, we need to have a conversation if you want to do some

[52:59] designated funds.

[53:00] But that's why I sent y'all in the capital presentation that I've given y'all twice now

[53:05] For the future have a 10-year projection like are there any items that you want to start

[53:11] Designating funds for for the future. So like do you want to take out of that six million in reserve that you are not six

[53:17] But five sitting in reserve do you want to take a hundred thousand dollars and set aside that for an ambulance this year next year because we'll probably get it in

[53:26] 28

[53:26] So then, you know, an ambulance is probably going to be closer to about a half a million probably by then.

[53:37] Okay. Sounds good for thought. Yeah. So this is the fire department.

[53:43] So again, they're asking for their ambulance. This is just the box piece we've already bought the truck portion of it.

[53:49] Here we are at Public Works.

[53:53] These are public works operating expenses, you can see the majority of our items have decreased or have no increase in them.

[54:01] We've left pretty much everything the same. They're tracking along pretty good for the year.

[54:07] The biggest thing for her, it's not in this one, it's in.

[54:13] I did take out the painting of the buildings, was it in your public works one more

[54:18] than the painting of the buildings, or was it in it?

[54:20] Okay, so we originally had 200,000 for painting and assessing your city hall and fire department

[54:30] buildings, and so we just haven't done it since we moved into the building, and so it was

[54:35] in the budget, I pulled it from the budget, that could be essentially a capital item.

[54:40] and so just a food for thought we at some point I mean if you're not going to

[54:46] budget for it this year you should be looking for it next year both the

[54:50] buildings need to be painted they need to be assessed when we did this building the

[54:54] back wall was gonna fall off because the building had never really been checked

[54:57] in all the years and so it's Melinda's recommendation that y'all need to do

[55:01] that sooner rather than later so I did pull it from the budget because you don't

[55:06] have the money this year but that may be something else that you might want to

[55:09] consider designating some funds too as well.

[55:13] Okay, and then the engineering services decreased?

[55:17] I just decreased it, and so if we have anything that comes up, so we don't, she, so anytime

[55:23] you all need a traffic thing like this week alone, we had some flooding issues at Grismo

[55:27] Park, we've had the engineers on it, and so because one house got flooded and so we had

[55:32] to send Byron out to go take a look and they're assessing it and came up with a game plan

[55:36] on how we think we're going to do that.

[55:38] But that just comes out of the stuff unless it's a huge project and we'll bring it to council because we've got to go for contractors or something.

[55:45] But little assessments like that, we just get done because they just need to get done.

[55:49] So I just drop that amount and so anytime anything like that happens, people are just going to have to wait.

[55:53] And so that service isn't going to be there. We had somebody on Pepperwood that was worried about the debris coming off and she had the engineers take a look at it.

[56:01] You know, not a big amount, but they took, and it's coming off of his own property, and it's not, has anything to do with us.

[56:06] And so we do do those things on the side to address citizen concerns, and we try to get them done fairly quickly.

[56:12] Next year, it's going to be a little bit more hesitant because I've dropped that number.

[56:17] And I also dropped it because that seems to be an area of concern.

[56:20] People always say, look at your contracture, paying all this money to your engineers, and that just kept coming up and kept coming up.

[56:25] And I gave y'all the the reason we're paying the engineers is because y'all voted on these projects the hike and bike trail project

[56:32] The water and sewer line projects and so those are the checks associated those big dollar checks

[56:37] So that's what's associated with the engineering so what we're actually budgeting for for engineering

[56:42] I was like, let's go ahead and bring it down

[56:44] I'll just bring more to y'all if it comes up and then y'all have to make a decision of whether or not you want to spend those engineering costs

[56:51] But we don't on a day-to-day spend a lot on engineering

[56:55] It's the big projects that you're seeing those big checks written to for projects y'all voted on and

[57:01] The liability insurance also

[57:04] Yeah, again reduce. Yeah, it's just the number that came in is that just a number so the first the 83 was it's an estimate

[57:12] I estimated two percent or whatever okay for last year and then actual number came in and it just came in low

[57:16] Okay, I have to at the beginning of that when we start this budget remember y'all wanted it earlier

[57:22] So I started it with a lot of preliminary stuff, so if you all want more solid numbers then our first presentation wouldn't be happening to like now.

[57:33] Okay, so we've got the numbers on the TMRS, we've got the numbers on liability.

[57:38] I mean you got property liability and workers come. The only one you're waiting on is your health insurance, is your health insurance for employees, is just your health insurance.

[57:45] That's it and then whatever your property tax known your revenue. Okay. There you go. Just those two all right and if the estimations are going to change maybe your estimations will change your property valuation estimates will change.

[57:56] All right.

[57:58] Sorry,

[58:01] I lost my train. It's out there for a little bit. No, no worries. So as you can see, we have no increases in public works.

[58:09] your public works, we do have debris removal. I did cut this. This has to do with your trees

[58:14] that fall. And so just know that it will just that's going to be until a little bit of a minimum

[58:18] next year. Public works we still we still are covering their uniforms and every other department

[58:25] we cut everybody's uniforms, but they have to be in certain gear. So police fire we do play for

[58:30] their uniforms as well as public works. But you might see a small decrease in that depending on

[58:36] what that contract comes back at. We went out to a dirt. We used census currently, but Melinda

[58:42] kind of went out for bids on that and to see if we can get that number a little bit lower

[58:45] and so it may come in a little bit lower than that. Okay, so the victor pollution, my ability,

[58:50] is that a new? No, ma'am. It's that you paid it every year. It's part of TML, but we broke it down

[58:54] this year. Oh. It's it's it's victor, but it's a portion of TML for your all your water, sewer,

[59:02] you've paid it, you have to pay it every year.

[59:06] All right,

[59:08] again, I try to bring down your budget

[59:11] to every penny, everything that we actually spend.

[59:14] Yeah, I was just noticing, and I think it was the water,

[59:18] the sewer, maybe this near-map, 30% novos,

[59:23] your net, 30%, you had all these percentages.

[59:25] Is that because you're sharing the cost over all the department

[59:29] Well, the good departments, I just wanted to verify that I was reading that correct.

[59:33] Okay, thank you.

[59:34] So public works, we're looking at an ATV, a concrete grinder and equipment trailer.

[59:40] We did move the grappler truck into storm water, just storm water.

[59:44] Okay, planning and zoning.

[59:48] The biggest change here was I did take out the request for a master plan.

[59:52] Again, that's roughly about 250,000 if that's something that you want to consider.

[59:57] that could be a capital item she had

[1:00:00] As a contractual item, but you could consider that in the future as a capital item, but all those seem to add up right. You got 300,000 for ambulance and 254, master plan, and so just keep that in mind. But at some point, you're going to have to do your rest. Next year, right? So here are all your inspections. So remember earlier when I told you your building permit fees. If you add up all of your building inspections right here, we broke it down.

[1:00:32] San Diego West is just your estimation center trilogy and then not the engineering service, but your health inspection those numbers add up to your building permit side of your expenditures.

[1:00:44] I mean of your revenue side.

[1:00:47] So that 100,000, 90,000, 90,000, 21, 21, 42, and then your health inspection for 20.

[1:00:57] My permit now stays the same your city attorney. I did drop it.

[1:01:03] I'm hoping to get the sustainability of really done this fiscal year, so I don't have

[1:01:08] anything big planned for next year that he would be reviewing and planning in zoning.

[1:01:16] Okay, economic development, again,

[1:01:23] let's see, get down to the breakdown.

[1:01:25] There is really no increase here.

[1:01:28] We did cut under contractual services.

[1:01:32] I did cut local intel.

[1:01:34] We're not seeing the traffic there for that, but we did leave PASER AI, Moody's and Zactax.

[1:01:42] We were able because he had many left and we're able to have ED project funding increase.

[1:01:48] Now, if you take a look at what he's actually generating in revenue, you could possibly move

[1:01:53] some salary over here if you needed to.

[1:02:02] here is your new code and animal control expenditure and so you'll see like

[1:02:09] there's no history here it's a new department. Councilor Compos has a question.

[1:02:13] If we go back to the economic development and you mentioned possibly moving

[1:02:18] some salaries so give us an example some examples. Sure so I could do a percentage of

[1:02:23] Susanna's salary not all her salary but a portion of her salary over here your

[1:02:28] Your economic development is economic and community development and so a lot of her department

[1:02:33] is the, it used to be called the community development department.

[1:02:36] And so some of her salary could be moved over here.

[1:02:42] You could probably even move one of your permit texts, a little portion of their salary over

[1:02:46] here, not a lot, but a little bit.

[1:02:48] Can you go back one more slide?

[1:02:51] It's planning and zoning.

[1:02:52] Oh, okay.

[1:02:53] You're looking, so this is what you're looking at.

[1:02:55] So I have to go all the way to the beginning, bear with me.

[1:03:00] Yeah, well it's because it's the revenue piece, it's not going to change a whole lot because your revenue in general fund is all general fund dollars.

[1:03:09] But it would just lower your project management.

[1:03:12] But your economic development sales tax is estimated to be about 419,000 next year.

[1:03:17] So if you subtract what we're paying Mr. Salinas salary and then all of his

[1:03:23] operating expenses he's got oh gosh I did the math earlier. A little bit of

[1:03:29] money left over that you could move some of the salaries but it would decrease that

[1:03:32] ED project funding from 192 to like 140 something. So you could move some some

[1:03:39] salaries into this department but it's not gonna really alleviate it's all

[1:03:42] general fund dollars. So it's all going to come here. So there's no moving in the overall

[1:03:48] deficit. Not really. No, but y'all watch this separately. So you, I mean, you're essentially

[1:03:56] taking from, they don't have a reserve fund from there. That makes any sense. And so it helps

[1:04:03] a little bit.

[1:04:08] Are you saying there's not a reserve fund for? No, there's a reserve fund.

[1:04:12] but what I'm saying is when you don't add,

[1:04:14] if you don't use all your ED project funding,

[1:04:16] then there's money left over goes into the reserve fund,

[1:04:18] but if you're using that money to pay for salaries

[1:04:21] versus your ED project funding,

[1:04:23] then you're not gonna have money to go into that reserve one night,

[1:04:25] am I?

[1:04:26] Gotcha.

[1:04:26] And there's currently a surplus of...

[1:04:29] Yeah, there's about 900,000 sitting over there.

[1:04:32] Well, no, just from current revenue...

[1:04:34] Yes, yes, a little bit.

[1:04:36] I think it's like 30,000.

[1:04:39] So, I would say that if it's possible, I would move that we consider that.

[1:04:46] Yeah. Well, and that's why we're having, so there's these little things that, I mean, it's not going to have a dramatic impact on that three.

[1:04:52] So, you have the 350,000. And so, I'm going to try to make that number as small as I can by moving little things around.

[1:04:58] But when you're talking about big impact, my big concern is really coming up with an additional 50.

[1:05:03] because if the no-new revenue rate comes in at $0.3 or $0.2, right, it comes in at $0.2

[1:05:10] because you're short $167,000. So let's just say the no-new revenue rate comes in at, you know,

[1:05:17] .50, you know, you could go up to $0.3 and cover your $300,000 deficit. I don't know

[1:05:24] anywhere else to cut from your line, from your stuff. Maybe I'll see something or maybe y'all aren't

[1:05:29] passionate about something and then we can cut from other places. But and then we can certainly do

[1:05:33] that but you would have to make up that deficit by raising your property tax and so if you're

[1:05:39] going to the no-new revenue rate my concern is really shifting about that 50,000 mark, 60,000 mark

[1:05:46] out of your general fund so you're not having to raise your property tax as much if that makes any

[1:05:51] sense and so I'll make some of those little shifts but you're not talking an astronomical amount

[1:05:57] money. You're talking $10,000 here and $6,000 here. So you're not going to see a huge

[1:06:02] impact, but I'm trying to get that deficit as small as I can.

[1:06:08] But I just want, I'm looking

[1:06:09] at faces and when I say, hey, I'm moving this or that or, hey, you probably need to look

[1:06:14] at your master plan or, hey, you might want to have designated funds. I'm opening that

[1:06:19] door for discussion. If I'm not hearing it, then I'm thinking that you all aren't passionate

[1:06:25] about that and so I'm moving on to the next item.

[1:06:27] I think we're, once we hear everything then I think we can come back

[1:06:32] and visit.

[1:06:32] Yeah and I'm making a list of what you're saying so I mean again I don't, I'm

[1:06:37] waiting for that dog on number at the end of July you know that'll give us the

[1:06:40] first workshop. I mean we'll hopefully present, we normally present at the

[1:06:44] coffee which is on July 26 and so the number he's saying that he'll have the

[1:06:48] numbers July 25th, so I don't know if I'll be ready on July 26th, and stay up all night.

[1:06:55] And so, but we'll have coming in August, we'll have some better numbers for y'all definitely

[1:07:00] and hopefully by then I'll have some insurance, health insurance numbers, or at least the first

[1:07:05] round. So we'll have a cleaner looking budget, and by then I'll make these little moves

[1:07:10] that we're kind of discussing to try to alleviate your general fund as much as I can.

[1:07:16] Okay, but that's what I'm trying to get a feel like right here like yes, we have to keep or no don't move or

[1:07:21] That's what I'm trying to kind of gauge from you off anybody has some serious heartburn on something then

[1:07:26] Right now then I know not to make that move or to go but if if it's still like you're waiting and that's fine

[1:07:32] We can I mean this budget y'all are improving the budget. It's just a workshop. But that's what I'm trying to gauge right now

[1:07:38] Because you know, we don't we have to know how much extra or how much money we have to where we can plug in to

[1:07:44] increasing the fire repairs or increasing painting or you know fixing the wall you know that kind of thing so that's why yeah

[1:07:52] But if but if y'all said no, we don't like no, I'm like if I hear like a

[1:07:57] Resounding no or y'all say the treadmill. No, absolutely and then I'll just pull it like there's no reason for me to like if there's anything here that I that y'all are

[1:08:06] Absolutely against you don't want to see or that y'all rather have this over that I'd like to bring that up for discussion now if y'all want to wait

[1:08:13] that's fine but this is the first step of like having that conversation. That's why I said this is

[1:08:17] pretty informal. I'm not trying to, you know, it's not a one-way conversation. I'm trying for it not to

[1:08:22] be public works.

[1:08:27] Building maintenance. As you can see here we didn't go up in anything. We're kind of

[1:08:33] past this already shared now. I answered that question. This is what they were requesting. We're on

[1:08:37] planning and zoning. You can see that she didn't really have any increases here. I took out the

[1:08:42] departmental uniforms, you know all the plaques and trophies. These were all her building

[1:08:49] inspections. My permit's now into the attorney fees, economic development. This was, you

[1:08:57] can see he took out miscellaneous expenses. Well, yeah. $9,000 for the fiesta medals. Do

[1:09:05] You all think that that's, you know, I don't know.

[1:09:09] You can cut it.

[1:09:11] I mean, I like it, but I mean, if we're cutting other stuff,

[1:09:16] maybe we ought to not do the metals next year.

[1:09:18] I mean, you know, it's nice, but it's, it really is.

[1:09:20] But anyway, what do you all think?

[1:09:21] I mean, it just 9,000, 9,000, that could fund something else.

[1:09:27] I agree to cut it.

[1:09:29] Yeah.

[1:09:30] I mean, I like him, but not everybody gets the metal either.

[1:09:33] You know, I don't have any. Broke. How many do we order?

[1:09:38] All right, Mariana. I'm sorry?

[1:09:43] 1100. Hey, that was on my original cut list and then somebody said

[1:09:50] and no. No, it wasn't me. And, and the thing is, you know, you can sell them. We could sell them.

[1:09:59] Maybe that's what we ought to do. Yeah, and to cover our cost.

[1:10:03] Well, maybe so. Yeah, because people do sell them. How much does the middle cost and it just depends on what we get?

[1:10:09] So some we've gotten pretty creative over the last few years. So some of them are really on the nicer side

[1:10:14] You just divide like if you did 1100 just divide the 1100 by the 9000 that'll tell you how much they cost

[1:10:19] I mean we could do that. There's a lot of people that sell their men. 20 dollars. I really do. Yeah

[1:10:24] I mean and I brought that up in the past

[1:10:26] We've asked and the council has not wanted us to sell them in the past

[1:10:30] So it's up to y'all I mean if we order them we can you can leave them in there and we can sell them and see how that does

[1:10:36] We have to try it. I think maybe for next year. What do y'all think? I think we should do two things one

[1:10:42] We should simplify the metals so they're not quite as complex and expensive to minimize the cost

[1:10:47] but then also to

[1:10:49] To charge for them even if it's not the entire cost

[1:10:53] You know $5 a medal or you know whatever

[1:10:56] ever just so that we're kind of saving a little bit of money there from the expense.

[1:11:05] I think it's definitely an item that is Betty's got a heartburn over there.

[1:11:09] Go ahead.

[1:11:09] I mean, it's how you win.

[1:11:10] I can't start.

[1:11:12] I can't start.

[1:11:12] I can't run a lot.

[1:11:13] I'm sorry.

[1:11:14] Y'all are going to leave here and then I'm going to get the emails from you after you leave

[1:11:17] here saying, I want to reconsider the Fiesta medals because there's people at home that are

[1:11:22] like, no, absolutely not.

[1:11:24] So I already know.

[1:11:25] We are going to leave here and I'm going to get at least two emails saying to leave the

[1:11:29] V.S.

[1:11:29] The metals in.

[1:11:30] But, let me hear from Councillor Hyle, please.

[1:11:33] Where are we going to sell these metals?

[1:11:35] We just sell them at the cash register so we'll just tell them to come to City Hall and pick

[1:11:39] them up and they just buy them here at City Hall.

[1:11:41] So we're not going to go door to door like Girl Scout cookies.

[1:11:45] No.

[1:11:46] No.

[1:11:47] How about...

[1:11:48] Can we do it at the library?

[1:11:50] No.

[1:11:51] Uh-oh.

[1:11:52] No.

[1:11:52] Don't add water.

[1:11:53] Thank you.

[1:11:53] Regina's list. Okay. I know we need a cashier and all that other stuff.

[1:11:58] Yes. Once I start selling them, I got to keep track of how many to make sure none went out for free. That could be.

[1:12:04] Okay. Is there anyone that wants to keep them and give them away for free?

[1:12:10] For next year. I'm comfortable with cutting it. I think if we try to sell it,

[1:12:13] it's just going to create more work for our staff. And again, unfunded mandate in another way.

[1:12:22] That's just my because now somebody's got to keep track of the inventory.

[1:12:26] Yeah, somebody's got to reconcile like all of that.

[1:12:29] Is it really worth the time for our staff?

[1:12:32] They're overburdened possibly today, cutting the court dates and all because that's right.

[1:12:39] That's where they're going to pay them.

[1:12:40] So I don't, you know, I hate to ask for more, you know, so for me, for me, that's, I have

[1:12:47] no problem.

[1:12:47] I mean, I brought it up in the initial round of cuts and I didn't.

[1:12:51] So, I mean, I can live with doing away with them completely.

[1:12:55] How about you, Councilor Roscoe?

[1:12:57] I have mixed emotions on that, because people,

[1:12:59] we haven't before we put them out, they're asking for them.

[1:13:02] They're asking for them, our citizens are asking for them.

[1:13:05] But only 1,100 chosen ones get them.

[1:13:08] I know that we're very tight this year,

[1:13:11] and I can live with the fact that not do it this coming year,

[1:13:15] but once we get our feet together,

[1:13:16] maybe we can bring it back.

[1:13:18] OK, I agree.

[1:13:19] I agree.

[1:13:20] Okay. So cut it and maybe look at it for bringing it back the following year. Okay. All right. Very good. We just gave you $9,000. Thank you. And the police got it and they put it in the veterans memorial.

[1:13:34] Put it in the what? The veterans memorial. Oh, yeah. Well, that's in the budget. I saw it for 14,000. I cut it from 24. It was a resounding decrease. Keep it, but decrease the amount.

[1:13:45] But I thought the gentleman who presented it to the council said he could do it for 5,000.

[1:13:52] I don't know.

[1:13:52] You can't.

[1:13:53] Okay.

[1:13:53] Not what he's requesting.

[1:13:54] All right.

[1:13:54] Just thought.

[1:13:56] Just had to ask.

[1:13:57] What did you bring it down to?

[1:13:59] 14.

[1:14:00] 14.

[1:14:01] Okay.

[1:14:01] We can probably get it done.

[1:14:02] What he's requesting is, so we just got a quote for a monument because we had a monument that was destroyed.

[1:14:08] It was, it was the old school.

[1:14:10] Anyway, they ended up the bank ended up putting it back up and paying for it.

[1:14:13] but that original quote was 8800.

[1:14:15] And it's exactly the exact same thing

[1:14:17] that Daniel's requesting, I mean.

[1:14:21] So 8800, but that was just putting it back

[1:14:25] to get the supplies were there,

[1:14:26] the plaque was there, a car hit it

[1:14:28] so they just had to reconstruct it with 8800.

[1:14:31] So I'm assuming to buy all the materials

[1:14:34] and the plaque, I mean it's a good estimation

[1:14:35] so I put in 14.

[1:14:37] Okay, I was at the American Legion yesterday

[1:14:40] And I brought it up saying that we had so much money allocated and I told them it was 12,000 and I know it was 14.

[1:14:48] I mean we can bring it down to 12 and see what kind of quotes we get.

[1:14:50] One of the things that was expressed to me there is that you know cutting it in half, it's more than just...

[1:15:00] A memorial is something that veterans, when they went into the military, they didn't go in half

[1:15:06] way. They gave themselves all of it into the Army and some of them gave everything, including

[1:15:12] their lives for it. And a lot of them were Leon Valley veterans. And we wanted to make

[1:15:19] sure, as the American Legion, they were there that we gave something that is something significant

[1:15:28] to honor the people that gave their lives.

[1:15:31] A bridge and a street.

[1:15:32] I mean, that's pretty good, but, you know,

[1:15:34] the bridge you go through it, it's hard to,

[1:15:37] you can't stop and look at it.

[1:15:38] I mean, I like the bridge, don't get me wrong.

[1:15:40] I thought there was a cool idea,

[1:15:43] but something significant, and bringing it down half,

[1:15:48] I know we're trying to save money, but they didn't.

[1:15:53] So is the American Legion willing to?

[1:15:54] They didn't save anything when they gave their lives up.

[1:15:56] So is the American Legion willing to give money towards the monument? I guess there's my question if they're so

[1:16:01] Yeah, I mean, if they're so passionate about it. Well, and don't they get money from bingo still? Well, they I mean, I think they I'm not gonna say how much money they got yesterday

[1:16:10] But yeah, but I'll ask him again. I know that they're trying to get their

[1:16:15] Stand up again. They lost money during COVID and I'll ask him again

[1:16:20] And if I can get contribution, we can match that and have a really decent memorial for that.

[1:16:26] Yeah, so the one Daniel presented is just a monument with a plaque on it.

[1:16:30] It's very similar to the one that's at RBFCU right here at the corner at Grissom.

[1:16:35] It's dedication to the first school.

[1:16:38] So that's the one Daniel's basically requesting.

[1:16:40] It's that one monument with the plaque with the dedicated brand, all the dedicated branches

[1:16:44] with a little stain in the middle.

[1:16:46] and so that's the one I'm estimating,

[1:16:49] but the $24,000 one was like the concrete benches

[1:16:54] with the monument, and so that's the price we got

[1:16:56] for that one.

[1:16:58] So if that's what you're wanting, that's $24,000.

[1:17:01] I still have the paperwork that you gave us

[1:17:03] when we did that presentation.

[1:17:05] I can bring it back up to council,

[1:17:07] and if they let you go with it,

[1:17:10] then I know we got new council members

[1:17:14] that give them an opportunity to look

[1:17:16] that's what we saw and see what we can go from there.

[1:17:19] I know we got to August.

[1:17:21] Right, so I mean, it went to the park commission

[1:17:22] and park commission said no.

[1:17:24] So do you want it to go back through that process again?

[1:17:26] Like, do you want it to go back to the park commission

[1:17:28] then back to the council?

[1:17:29] I'm just curious, like.

[1:17:31] No, I want you to let me talk to my colleagues.

[1:17:33] Okay, you can't.

[1:17:34] Let me show them what you can't talk to your colleagues.

[1:17:36] Why don't I give you to you so you can talk to our colleagues?

[1:17:39] Yes, we can do it.

[1:17:40] You can talk to one colleague.

[1:17:41] I know what we did and then we'll discuss it.

[1:17:45] I mean, that's part of having this open conversation.

[1:17:49] I mean, there's not supposed to be open conversation.

[1:17:51] And all of your colleagues at 24,000 were okay

[1:17:55] with doing a monument that I spoke with,

[1:17:57] but with a reduced amount.

[1:17:59] And so 5,000 did come up in that.

[1:18:02] If you want to have a whole other presentation on that,

[1:18:05] we can certainly do a presentation just on the stuff

[1:18:09] that's been presented in the past.

[1:18:10] We can certainly do that.

[1:18:11] You can get a second and put that back on the agenda

[1:18:14] for the 15th that can definitely be a conversation. So I just need to know what that dollar amount needs

[1:18:19] to be in this budget year.

[1:18:23] Yes councilor compass. So just for clarification for members of our audience

[1:18:28] and those who are watching us. So the amount that we're talking about in the veterans memorial

[1:18:34] monument is really coming out of our capital fund. Not in our operating deficit of 350,000 dollars

[1:18:43] that we're talking about.

[1:18:44] So just to provide some clear.

[1:18:47] And it comes out of the reserve.

[1:18:49] Right.

[1:18:50] So it reduces the reserve amount.

[1:18:52] And so when we're talking about dedicated,

[1:18:54] like we just, we got off that boat, right?

[1:18:57] So we were talking about dedicating money

[1:18:59] for your future ambulance.

[1:19:00] So that 5 million gets reduced, right?

[1:19:02] And then you're talking about possibly painting

[1:19:04] these buildings and doing a building assessment.

[1:19:07] That's X amount.

[1:19:08] You also, I've sent you all the quote for the silos

[1:19:11] has to be engineered at that.

[1:19:12] So all of those have to be put into at some point designated funds or your future capital planning and so just know that 5 million as we are speaking that number is dwindling because you do have things maybe not put in paper that you have officially assigned it to but you have need future needs that are coming up.

[1:19:31] And so I don't want I mean you do you sometimes will be like you do a lot of budget adjustments throughout the year

[1:19:39] And I'm just gonna because it's the first one on my mind like homelessness like that was 40,000 that can at the end of the year

[1:19:43] You're like oh because they all add up eventually at the end of the year

[1:19:47] So I just I like to have it budgeted so you know what your reserve is actually is versus doing budget adjustments throughout the year

[1:19:54] And so if you want to have the conversation about increasing the amount from 14,000 back to 24,000

[1:20:01] and you want a special conversation.

[1:20:04] It's on my retreat for July 1st,

[1:20:06] so I can give them the presentation on July 1st.

[1:20:10] That's something you want to do.

[1:20:11] Yeah.

[1:20:12] And then y'all will see what we've seen.

[1:20:15] And that's a lot better.

[1:20:16] I was gonna suggest just to make you have way

[1:20:19] and do it to 20,000, but yeah.

[1:20:22] How do we present it?

[1:20:23] Half way of 24,000.

[1:20:24] Yeah, y'all.

[1:20:25] Yeah.

[1:20:26] I didn't do good in math.

[1:20:27] No, not good math there, Mr. Arasca.

[1:20:30] No, no, no, but we can talk about it at the July 1st meeting and then you can all can come up with the number

[1:20:34] I just need to know what number y'all would like me to add, but I did remove this. I mean we're not on the

[1:20:39] Councilor Marsh. I would appreciate that just to get the background and

[1:20:43] Because to me, I think we're just from what I've heard today. We're comparing it to one estimate one vision

[1:20:51] It doesn't mean that a $14,000 monument wouldn't be wonderful

[1:20:55] So, I think we have to kind of recalibrate to say, what is it that we need to represent

[1:21:01] in this monument or whatever, and it may not need benches or whatever, but that's kind

[1:21:07] of the first thing that was talked about, so that's the standard now, so.

[1:21:11] Yeah, well, there's just been a lot of discussions, because this has been over several, a

[1:21:15] price three years.

[1:21:16] Yeah.

[1:21:17] They talked about using the librarians and making that a whole monument area, I mean, there's

[1:21:22] been different variations of, I mean, huge monument.

[1:21:24] I mean, we've had different variations and a bunch of them have gone to the park commission and the park commission just said

[1:21:29] Like we you know, they love the military, but they just weren't interested in adding additional

[1:21:35] I didn't and I believe counselor Hyall had a comment nothing we're deciding today

[1:21:40] But there was a lot of talk where we were putting this so that would depend on what size monument you want

[1:21:46] You don't want something this big no, no, the monument size would be it we do it at veterans. It's called veterans park

[1:21:51] you could put the monument there so you could do a I mean you have a lot of land

[1:21:56] that was with the park commission was like didn't want this big old elaborate

[1:22:02] thing and so then we went smaller with just the again the best example I can

[1:22:07] give you is the RBFC you monument sign is the best to kind of visual I can

[1:22:12] give you of what the very big at all yeah is requesting yeah okay

[1:22:17] Councillor Compos.

[1:22:19] Just one closing comment for me is can we also understand the objections from the Park

[1:22:27] Commission?

[1:22:28] I did read them.

[1:22:30] She can talk to that.

[1:22:31] Okay.

[1:22:32] Yeah.

[1:22:33] They wanted to leave that area as an open green space and didn't want anything.

[1:22:38] Right.

[1:22:40] We have Veterans Way.

[1:22:42] We had Evers Road being designated as Audimil Murphy Parkway and plus we had the bridge and they were like we don't we don't think you need it

[1:22:50] We think that is open space it gets used by the library. It's used by us for a holiday lighting ceremony. It gets used and in that discussion

[1:23:02] did they know

[1:23:04] the

[1:23:04] the contemplated size of the monument.

[1:23:09] Yes.

[1:23:09] Oh yeah.

[1:23:09] It's a request by Daniel Rodriguez.

[1:23:11] He had brought a mock-up.

[1:23:12] Mm-hmm.

[1:23:13] Okay.

[1:23:13] And they got like three options.

[1:23:18] Yeah.

[1:23:22] Okay.

[1:23:22] So we'll hear more on July 1st.

[1:23:24] Okay.

[1:23:25] Thank you very much.

[1:23:25] You're welcome.

[1:23:26] Thank you.

[1:23:27] So this is your coded animal control expenditure listing.

[1:23:30] Again, this is a new department.

[1:23:32] I'm trying to get to the penny on everything and how much you spend in IT, how much you spend

[1:23:38] in animal and in co-compliance and occasionally there's grant funding and I'm kind of

[1:23:44] hoping pulling this out could help us land some grants here and there.

[1:23:49] And so not big grants but some.

[1:23:53] And so this is just the cost for next year and again this is a little bit of a shot in

[1:23:58] the dark.

[1:23:58] We did a lot of estimations.

[1:23:59] It was grouped in your police department and they were just paying for their stuff out

[1:24:03] of operating really.

[1:24:05] And so we've breaking it down.

[1:24:06] You had 20,000 for animal boarding another place,

[1:24:09] but you reduced it to five.

[1:24:10] And what was that?

[1:24:11] Yes, we were using the current kennel under there.

[1:24:14] We bought kennels last year.

[1:24:15] So we didn't have kennels before.

[1:24:17] So now you have kennels that have AC

[1:24:18] that are over there.

[1:24:19] Public works just laid another slab

[1:24:21] for a little bit larger dogs.

[1:24:23] And so that will eventually have an AC in it as well

[1:24:26] if it doesn't already.

[1:24:29] And we're using SA pets alive, Austin pets alive

[1:24:33] and pet land.

[1:24:34] And pet land, that's right.

[1:24:35] It's yeah, okay, so we'll read those are additional correct, but they're not arrested here

[1:24:40] We're using and so we still need boarding for overflow

[1:24:44] To go to pause ranch or whoever

[1:24:47] Boarding facility we need, okay, all right very good any other questions all right. Thank you

[1:24:54] Special events

[1:24:55] So this is just the remainder of the code stuff and then people freaked out over the animal youth in Asia

[1:25:00] This is when animals are hurt

[1:25:02] We try not to euthanize, but we also aren't going to spend thousands of dollars in vet bills

[1:25:06] But I know people will catch that and be like, oh my god, you're killing dogs. Well, no, it's when they're injured to the capacity of

[1:25:13] Or a vicious dog of some sort that we have to put down

[1:25:21] Okay, special events. Okay, so we talked about overtime yesterday

[1:25:25] So you want to address that? Yeah

[1:25:27] I did touch your overtime

[1:25:28] the 10,000s, then I cover your overtime for Christmas tree lighting and

[1:25:32] earth wise. The other thing we need to talk about a little bit is if we're

[1:25:36] cutting fourth of July, we're not going to help with the 5K run. So that's just,

[1:25:41] you know, but that also comes in determination as well as all your extra

[1:25:46] veteran stuff that y'all waved. So we do the 9-11 event and we do the flag-

[1:25:50] burning event. And the flag- burning event this year kind of got by me. It was

[1:25:55] miscommunication among staff, I normally make them move it during regular hours on a work day.

[1:26:01] So they're not paying over. So we're trying not to pay over. I still have to pay a little bit of

[1:26:04] overtime, but not as much as having it on a Saturday afternoon. So you had to pay for two extra

[1:26:11] public works people. We had to pay for extra fire staff to be out there. And so that typically would

[1:26:16] not happen during a Saturday. And so all of those, but you waive all of their fees for everything,

[1:26:22] for 9-11 of the staff has to clean up and set up because they can't set up the tables themselves, they can't clean up and so and I have to have staff available for that event. So all those extra things that you don't see that we don't budget for that y'all just vote throughout the year as a practice, I need to make sure that y'all are aware that y'all are going to have to do budget adjustments associated with those in kind grants as they come up through the year, if that's something you're choosing to do.

[1:26:51] Um, so putting you all on the right as far as the fourth of July for the historical

[1:26:57] society.

[1:26:58] I think we have for discussion on July 1st, a joint meeting and I'd like to have that

[1:27:03] joint meeting before we make that decision.

[1:27:05] They would just have to pay for their own secure.

[1:27:07] It's not that we can't do it.

[1:27:08] They just have to pay for security.

[1:27:09] Yeah.

[1:27:10] They don't know that they don't have the cost.

[1:27:12] I mean, I just have a dialogue with them because we do have a MOU with them.

[1:27:15] So we are.

[1:27:17] Yeah.

[1:27:17] Absolutely.

[1:27:18] But I wanted to bring that up because it's we see fourth of July

[1:27:21] We don't think about the other small events that kind of coincide with that and so but I so on the record

[1:27:28] If you're canceling the for either that you've got a budget money for it. Yeah, that's right

[1:27:34] So yeah, and if you could have the cost of that

[1:27:37] How much it would be for that?

[1:27:42] Anyone else?

[1:27:44] Yes, Councillor Compos.

[1:27:46] By cutting to 4th of July, can you tell us what the total cost we've saved by doing

[1:27:53] that?

[1:27:53] I think it would be helpful for everyone to understand that because it was the 100,000

[1:27:58] that we have.

[1:27:59] It was 100,000 here, 50,000 in economic development and 30,000 from your personnel.

[1:28:05] So it's 180,000.

[1:28:08] You're saving by not doing the 4th of July.

[1:28:10] Thank you.

[1:28:13] Yeah, I'm going to have to go to Woodlawn Lake.

[1:28:17] Hello, or hello to Sir, whatever.

[1:28:20] Hope you have a second.

[1:28:20] Yeah.

[1:28:22] You can go.

[1:28:22] Like, if you sit at the rim, I know when I'm leaving the 4th of July on my way home, people

[1:28:27] are parked at the rim just to watch the V.S. detects this firework station.

[1:28:33] So we did cut all the events, leaving Christmas tree lighting and Earth Boy's living.

[1:28:38] Again.

[1:28:38] Then I left the overtime for public works because they have to set up and break down and

[1:28:43] police are there that day.

[1:28:45] We try to use reserve officers but that $10,000 would cover the earth-wise living day event

[1:28:52] and Christmas tree lighting.

[1:28:57] So there you go.

[1:28:59] And this one we also cut just so it's noted volunteer appreciation dinner but we also cut

[1:29:03] the employee holiday lunch in that we do.

[1:29:07] We cut all the movies in park.

[1:29:08] And so was the advertising connected to primarily the 4th of July?

[1:29:12] Yeah, so it's your postcards that we would send out.

[1:29:15] Okay, all that stuff.

[1:29:16] Yeah,

[1:29:18] your parks and rec people asked about the personnel that just lives

[1:29:22] in the public works department.

[1:29:23] We just leave them all grouped over there.

[1:29:29] So let's go to the breakdown.

[1:29:30] You can see there's no additional increases.

[1:29:33] I sliced their budget.

[1:29:36] This was the one that took the biggest hit.

[1:29:38] it, we kept everything pretty much the same with no increases or took it out completely.

[1:29:45] This also has like your increases and you're not increases, I'm sorry, your stuff or

[1:29:51] your park maintenance, your fields, your nets, but if any was wrong, we call it a mo and

[1:29:56] go city.

[1:29:56] So if something made your breaks, it would just be pulled out and not replaced.

[1:30:00] Unless the council wants to replace it, we'd come back for a budget adjustment. But for right now, that's how we'll operate just maintaining what we currently have.

[1:30:09] Yes, Councillor Marche. So is the pool maintenance cut because the pool is cut or where are you at? I'm sorry, pool maintenance under operating supplies. 6,800, 800. Oh, yeah, because I just have it under contractual, I think. Of course. There's that repairs and maintenance.

[1:30:30] Here it is.

[1:30:31] your pool contract at 108 and your pool repairs at 75,000.

[1:30:36] Okay, so it's just moved.

[1:30:38] Okay.

[1:30:41] Yes, Councillor Compos.

[1:30:44] So, in our individual discussions, so first of all, this assumes that we keep the pool open.

[1:30:51] Correct?

[1:30:52] Yes, I mean, if you want to keep the pool open.

[1:30:53] That's first and foremost.

[1:30:55] Okay.

[1:30:55] But I thought we had talked about that the pool repairs, which would be the replastering

[1:31:02] of this in this number, it's 75,000, that that could be considered as a capital.

[1:31:07] It can be considered as a capital.

[1:31:08] And I would encourage us to consider moving that.

[1:31:13] That's a topic of conversation.

[1:31:14] I just wasn't there yet.

[1:31:15] So move that over.

[1:31:17] To see I tried to beat the buzzer.

[1:31:18] They said, well, you didn't react.

[1:31:20] I'm trying to react right now.

[1:31:22] He ran up the pool but I was on this slide.

[1:31:24] No, it's there. So it is one of the items that can move to capital. It's one of those that are that is still that's still up there

[1:31:31] That can definitely be moved to cap as a capital item. Tell me your reasoning why you want to do that

[1:31:35] Well, if we're keeping if we all agree to keep this pool open the plastering

[1:31:41] I believe qualifies for a capital

[1:31:45] expenditure and

[1:31:45] And the increase is this $350,000 by that $75,000.

[1:31:52] That's what we're trying to do.

[1:31:53] But it also decreases your reserve funds.

[1:31:55] So it does the reserve fund balance was there for

[1:31:58] the maintenance and capital items, and that's what it's.

[1:32:02] Yeah, absolutely.

[1:32:03] And so this can be moved, but we were having the conversation.

[1:32:07] Again, in our previous conversations, we were talking about

[1:32:09] quality of life and whether or not we were going to.

[1:32:12] So I haven't moved that around at all because we,

[1:32:14] I mean, we haven't decided what we were going to do, whether keep the pull in and keep it out, but as I met with you all individually, it seemed that that was an overwhelmingly something that everybody wanted to do was keep the pull in.

[1:32:25] So that's the conversation I was going to have this evening, that everybody said that they would like to keep that one pull open.

[1:32:32] And at some point when we get to the capital part of this and we talk about the dog park, we can have that conversation next, but this could be moved over into your cabinet.

[1:32:40] Okay. But yes, it would decrease your risk.

[1:32:42] Is there anyone that disagrees that it should not be moved

[1:32:47] to contractual?

[1:32:49] Nobody agree?

[1:32:51] So I contract capital.

[1:32:52] A capital. I'm at capital. I knew that.

[1:32:55] Okay, capital.

[1:32:58] I'm still slumber party hanging over over here.

[1:33:01] So anyway, just still tired.

[1:33:03] Okay. Sounds good.

[1:33:05] So contractual, not contractual capital.

[1:33:09] I'm sorry. I have it right here. I wrote it down.

[1:33:11] Capital. C-A-P-I-T-A-L right there.

[1:33:14] So, yes.

[1:33:15] But I just wanted to make sure that we were an open conversation.

[1:33:18] Okay, so we've got to keep the pool.

[1:33:21] But if you're going to keep the pool,

[1:33:22] you had to do the replacement.

[1:33:23] Oh, you bet.

[1:33:25] It's important.

[1:33:25] You also have other repairs that have to be done there.

[1:33:27] At some point, you have plumbing repairs and stuff

[1:33:29] that have to be done.

[1:33:32] Just FYI.

[1:33:34] On top of the replasterings, that's what you're saying.

[1:33:36] I mean, we're not budgeting for it this year.

[1:33:38] but again it needs to be considered at some point.

[1:33:45] Your parks and recreational capital, of course there's your hiking bike trail, the lawn

[1:33:50] more, the mayor's around, everybody overwhelmingly this year said keep the mayor's around, so

[1:33:55] we're finally going to get anywhere around.

[1:33:58] There's the veterans park monument as we discussed we'll talk about that the retreat and then

[1:34:02] the dog park.

[1:34:03] So you have I'll care what is it 20,000 so you have 20,000 of that 49,000 as dedicated dog park funds.

[1:34:13] I know there's been some conversation from the general public to Samir and that he's okay with moving that money to something else.

[1:34:20] But we can also just leave it alone for now and take out the 49,000 since you're moving the 75,000 in there.

[1:34:28] I mean, well I didn't think we made a decision.

[1:34:31] I thought we wanted to wait, you know, I mean you haven't made a decision, but I put it in there because we have to have the conversation, so I mean

[1:34:39] I know for next year if you just want to fill in the pool and just leave it as a green space until, well, I know we talked about doing a

[1:34:45] Survey of the people around the area first, you know, it's also a retreat item. I think so you can wait to them as well

[1:34:53] You don't want to read wait till the retreat on that one on the dog park

[1:34:57] I'll tell you I'm neutral. It doesn't matter either way for me. It's not a priority of mine.

[1:35:05] And if Samir is willing to allow the $20,000 to be moved, I would rather go to and we haven't discussed this.

[1:35:14] But for computers for the library. That's for me.

[1:35:20] So, and I agree with that. Yes, Councilor.

[1:35:24] Yes, Councilor.

[1:35:25] We can move that money to benefit the library or other departments.

[1:35:31] I know what to do that.

[1:35:33] Okay, so the question is, who's going to approach Mr. Samir?

[1:35:40] I can call him. I can call him.

[1:35:41] Okay, I mean, and the computer.

[1:35:45] So I wouldn't I wouldn't do the computers. I would increase their actual line item

[1:35:49] So I cut their light item from 30,000 to 21,000 and Regina would agree with me that she needs more

[1:35:55] Materials than she does the compute. So that 20 would just go to more materials for and not to towards the dog park

[1:36:02] Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I'll reach out. What do you all think?

[1:36:06] Okay, all right, so but we have to get his permission because she said it was in writing that he was gonna give it to a dog park

[1:36:12] contract amendment from him, okay, and then we can just yeah, okay, but let me reach out to him first to get you

[1:36:17] I'll see if he's interested in doing that. All right, and if he is then I will put together a contract amendment for him

[1:36:23] And because it's under 50,000, we don't have to bring it to council

[1:36:27] But if y'all are in agreement with that, I can certainly work that up with him

[1:36:31] I may bring it up anyway with the move to move to the library for additional materials. Is that correct?

[1:36:38] Correct. Okay.

[1:36:44] Okay. All the other directors are super jealous right now.

[1:36:48] Anyway. She won the Maytag award. Okay. So there's a lot.

[1:36:54] So then that would free up 29,000. Right? Yeah. Yes.

[1:37:01] Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. And then you're going to put the 75,000 over there.

[1:37:04] Exactly. So that okay. And we'll just what I'm understanding.

[1:37:08] We're not going to do anything. We'll put the dog park on pause.

[1:37:11] then yeah correct you can talk about it on pause on pod yeah I'm just

[1:37:17] teasing okay I did I but I want to mention you I've had two park surveys and

[1:37:21] both park surveys has overwhelmingly requested a dog park so just just throwing

[1:37:27] that out there okay well library expenditures and I have no dog I have no

[1:37:41] So tell me where that additional 20,000 would that be in library supplies?

[1:37:46] Yes, the under library material.

[1:37:48] I cut her budget.

[1:37:49] She was requesting 31.

[1:37:52] I cut her down to 20.

[1:37:54] And then we just split the baby or split it among all the materials.

[1:37:59] So she'll get her 31 back.

[1:38:00] And I'll just increase, see all these decreased amounts.

[1:38:02] It will increase back to those amounts on the side.

[1:38:06] But she'll get the 20,000.

[1:38:09] but it'll go in different areas.

[1:38:11] She has 20,000.

[1:38:12] This is the breakdown of the 20,000.

[1:38:15] Y'all are going to give her the 20,000.

[1:38:19] Correct.

[1:38:19] So that would increase this by these amounts

[1:38:22] or, and then she'll increase, you know, a little bit more.

[1:38:25] So you could, we could do it to where we take 10,000 here

[1:38:28] and then buy three computers instead of the six

[1:38:31] that they're requesting.

[1:38:32] Does that make sense?

[1:38:36] I'd like to hear from Regina.

[1:38:38] Yes.

[1:38:38] Could you ask Mr. Shahadi if it could just be an undesignated library donation and then we can use it with the additional computer.

[1:38:49] So he's giving a lot to the library already and so that's why I need to have the conversation with him.

[1:38:58] So we can't speak like this is going to happen. He gives side donations to the library already quite a bit on the side to the library.

[1:39:06] So, I'm going to make the request on the $20,000, and then we would increase her amount

[1:39:12] for her requested amount.

[1:39:14] Whatever's remaining, then that's how many extra touch computers I will buy.

[1:39:18] But it won't be six, it would probably be two or three, but you'll get, it's a compromise

[1:39:23] to getting the computers, some computers in there.

[1:39:27] But you won't get, we won't put all $20,000 in library, I'm sure it'll be the 11 that

[1:39:33] she's requesting.

[1:39:34] Okay.

[1:39:34] and the other 10 going towards the computer portion.

[1:39:37] Okay. Yes, Councillor Hyle.

[1:39:40] Question. Since he had designated a dog park, can we use it for other? Do we need it for

[1:39:45] other animal areas? Do we need it?

[1:39:49] That's what I'm saying. That's a conversation you all need to have. What? I mean, do you want

[1:39:55] another kennel back there? We have to face for another kennel. He can give the 20,000 for

[1:39:59] another. I think we need to, I think we need to hear from Mr. Shahati.

[1:40:03] but that's if you want me to make the request on the library I mean she's saying

[1:40:07] more animals so does anybody agree with her instead of the 20,000 going to

[1:40:11] library does anybody agree with it I mean it can be split up it doesn't have to

[1:40:14] all go to one thing right well he already I mean no he's already given

[1:40:19] I let you speak Tina just a minute let's finish this discussion I will definitely

[1:40:23] hear from you so he yes I mean he I think his I think was animals so he broke it

[1:40:30] down to trees, animals. He already gives a side donation library. That's why I'm a little

[1:40:35] bit hesitant to say that he's going to give that money to the library because he already

[1:40:38] does that through the friends. He's just passionate about that stuff and that's something he does

[1:40:44] on the side. And so I think this 20,000 was designated to the animal piece because there's

[1:40:49] another component he gave us was to the tree mitigation piece. That was an extra 20,000

[1:40:54] that he wanted to use for trees. So he did the development but he did side donations just

[1:40:59] to benefit the city, I guess, and so one of those was dog park because he wanted to benefit

[1:41:05] the animal side of things. I don't know. He may say no to the library because he gives

[1:41:09] and he may want that to be dedicated to animals undefined.

[1:41:13] Okay, very good. All right, Ms. Chasin.

[1:41:20] Also, as I stated previously, my discussions with Mr. Shahadi and we talked about the dog park

[1:41:30] because I had gathered along with Ms. Hyall,

[1:41:34] information about the downside of dog parks.

[1:41:38] And we've expressed that before at previous council meetings.

[1:41:43] Mr. Shahati said to me, and I believe also to Ms. Hyall,

[1:41:49] that he would be willing to take the $20,000 he had promised

[1:41:54] to develop a dog park and shift it over to whatever

[1:41:58] Whenever you were developing in the city to house our dogs, because so many dogs were

[1:42:05] being dumped, he wanted the money allocated for the animals because we had nothing here

[1:42:14] before for the animals.

[1:42:17] He was very pleased to find out what we were doing and what Crystal had done as far as acquisition

[1:42:24] acquisition of the kennels and the air conditioning and the improvements.

[1:42:31] And he said he would be very willing to donate the money towards that so it would be increased

[1:42:38] if we needed extra cement areas, buildings, covers from the elements, whatever, just to make

[1:42:47] make sure this one part of Leon Valley that has been so empty for so many decades here

[1:42:55] as far as caring for the animals that are dumped or straight or run away, whatever.

[1:43:03] So I'm not really, I mean, you can ask Mr. Shahati whatever you like, but I will also be

[1:43:10] talking to him because we both feel very strongly about this, that it goes to the animals.

[1:43:16] Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yes, Councillor Murge.

[1:43:25] I know that we got an estimate or a quote for the dog park of the $49,000, but is it possible

[1:43:33] to do a less deluxe? That is the least deluxe, the least deluxe

[1:43:39] we still like to you got. Now you can, I mean, Melinda is going to jump

[1:43:44] and say you just take out less amenities for them or whatever, you know.

[1:43:49] I mean, do the dogs really need the pipe to run through?

[1:43:51] I mean, you know, I don't think we even have that.

[1:43:53] I mean, you think that it was just water.

[1:43:55] We had water over there already.

[1:43:57] We have water, but you still need to put the fountain

[1:43:58] with the water holes and the cleaning stuff.

[1:44:02] But we did have a couple of, I think, runs right when we went to the dog park.

[1:44:05] We didn't put, like, in that 49,000, it wasn't an extravagant dog park.

[1:44:09] It was additional fencing to separate the large dogs from the small dogs.

[1:44:13] I mean, it was a basic, basic.

[1:44:15] Okay.

[1:44:16] Councilor Bolton.

[1:44:17] Is it broken down by, like, this is the fencing cost?

[1:44:20] This is how much?

[1:44:21] You've got a quote for it.

[1:44:22] Yeah.

[1:44:22] And I gave, I think it's in your packet.

[1:44:24] If you go to that portion of your packet, if I'm not mistaken, I put the quotes in there.

[1:44:27] The PowerPoint with the quotes in there is part of that.

[1:44:31] Thank you.

[1:44:31] That big ol' binder, if you had a chance to go through it, it's in there.

[1:44:36] Okay.

[1:44:37] So.

[1:44:38] Reach out to him.

[1:44:38] Reach out to him and see.

[1:44:39] Reach out to him and see.

[1:44:42] Um, but I think I heard the council say they'd like if possible go to part to the library. Yes. So I'll ask him. Okay. If he's amenable to that. So okay.

[1:44:55] All right. So this is the library. We've went over that.

[1:45:00] No other increases, no other major cuts. We're moving on to the enterprise fund. You're doing well here. You're operating revenues are sitting at five mill. Your operating expenses are sitting at three, three point three. Your transfer offer debt is 106. Personal services is 1.3. Just remember last year we moved all the salaries over from water fund to the general fund. So that's some of the impact this year, too, that you're seeing. Capitals 1.4. This is just the breakdown of your enterprise fund revenue.

[1:45:28] the majority of it is in super sales. These are your expenses. The majority of it here is on the

[1:45:34] contractual side. Your enterprise fund expenses by department. Again, it is your super side.

[1:45:41] This is the overall breakdown leaving your ending fund balance at 3 million.

[1:45:48] We break down, we try to break down water sewer and stormwater. So let me just kind of get to

[1:45:55] the water department, you can see here.

[1:45:58] I left pretty much all of Melinda's requests here.

[1:46:01] I'm hoping that, so the construction crew,

[1:46:05] the water crew, even your maintenance crewmen

[1:46:08] sometimes have to help when we have large water main breaks.

[1:46:11] They have to go out there, you know,

[1:46:14] and it's all hands on deck situation.

[1:46:16] You only have four utility people,

[1:46:20] and so sometimes when you have a large main,

[1:46:22] you can't do that with four people.

[1:46:23] and so everybody's all hands on deck.

[1:46:26] So people come from other crews to help.

[1:46:29] And so we do leave all of her costs the same here.

[1:46:34] So all of your construction costs,

[1:46:35] your fleet, your registration,

[1:46:37] your personnel boots and protection,

[1:46:39] your water maintenance, all your unplanned supplies,

[1:46:42] all that we left pretty much the same.

[1:46:44] Oh.

[1:46:46] I have a question.

[1:46:50] Yes, Council.

[1:46:50] Council compass.

[1:46:51] When there's main breaks, I think there was one this past weekend this past weekend, right?

[1:46:57] So if it was all hands-on deck so do the the the the wages

[1:47:05] From those individuals who are not on our water crew did they get allocated over to so we so there's some

[1:47:11] So we've you look at the percentage breakdown on the salary worksheet that I've got you

[1:47:15] I think I put all the utility there and I think I got a little bit of your construction guys over there

[1:47:21] But for that day, you know, like, I mean, it's just kind of one of those things.

[1:47:24] But for that water main break, I want to say it was just our water department.

[1:47:28] Sometimes we call in a construction company.

[1:47:30] Sometimes it's Clark, I mean, depending on how big it is, how many people we have, you know,

[1:47:35] water licenses sometimes come into play.

[1:47:38] I mean, there's, depending on what it is, what's going wrong, because it could be the water

[1:47:40] tower.

[1:47:41] It could be like the water tower or the lightning guy hit, we had to call in a company to

[1:47:46] come in and fix that system for us, and we had to wait on them.

[1:47:48] So the guys have some general knowledge to be able to fix a lot of our things and they have the ability to do

[1:47:54] You know, well, I've seen them do some pretty major main breaks

[1:47:57] But if it's really really big gushers and something we're calling a contracting company. I mean right?

[1:48:03] Bravo. I was trying to think of the car but problem. Do we feel that the

[1:48:09] portion of construction crews allocated

[1:48:13] I mean, I was through those percentages with you all last year and, you know, we have weaned the discussions on what those percentages look like.

[1:48:23] We can take a look again. I can give you all those percentages again.

[1:48:27] I it's kind of one of those things like it just depends on a given year.

[1:48:31] Some years I'm utilizing the construction crew more with the water crew.

[1:48:35] Some years is a really good year and I just I'm not they're dealing with streets more than they're dealing with the water.

[1:48:40] So it's kind of one of those things that fluctuates.

[1:48:44] With our aging infrastructure, I don't know if we should re-evaluate that to see that.

[1:48:50] I can take a look at that.

[1:48:51] Yes, Councilor Merch.

[1:48:53] So I know I don't have as much background as everybody else does, but

[1:48:57] so I think what I'm hearing is that you make a general

[1:49:04] percentage distribution of these personnel costs to the different areas,

[1:49:09] But you don't do any real-time floating of the salaries to the other.

[1:49:14] Yeah, you can't.

[1:49:15] I can't.

[1:49:16] You can't do that.

[1:49:17] So you have to budget appropriately and it's best estimation.

[1:49:21] Okay.

[1:49:22] So you can't do real-time floating into the enterprise fund and budget appropriately for it.

[1:49:27] Because I could have one water main break all year, I can have 12.

[1:49:31] I could have, I could be a lot of my time because I think 5% of my salary comes from the water fund or 10% comes from the water fund.

[1:49:37] sometimes water takes up when we have the rate increases water is going to take up a good

[1:49:42] portion of my time here. I'm going to be filtering calls, answering questions. Sometimes

[1:49:47] I'm the person that gets the end of the rope after Melinda said no to the increase and

[1:49:53] David said no and then it's like oh you get my boss and so then I get to say no and you

[1:49:57] know so it so it just depends on any given year who's using what sometimes the court personnel

[1:50:05] Now they're the ones that process all the utility payments.

[1:50:08] Jennifer gets more calls sometimes more times than David does, and so it just depends on

[1:50:15] the situation, the given year, what's going on with the water department.

[1:50:19] And so last year, for years and years and years, slowly and slowly, they try to alleviate

[1:50:25] without raising property taxes, try to alleviate the impact on general funds.

[1:50:30] So year after year, we were slowly moving salaries over to the water department.

[1:50:34] And so you were paying for a lot of different salaries out of the water department.

[1:50:39] And so last year, because we were looking at rate increases, we took a look at the salary

[1:50:45] amounts, and we did about 250,000 worth of salary costs, and we moved them over into

[1:50:52] the general fund.

[1:50:54] And so you're seeing a little bit of that impact this year, but we also have already done

[1:50:58] a rate study.

[1:50:59] You do have expenditure over revenue sitting fairly well that I could still move some money over there and be okay

[1:51:06] I can probably move about 200,000 over there

[1:51:09] But I don't want to put you back in the position because that was mr. Bradshaw and Jed Hefner and counts

[1:51:14] Even though they're not sitting on this dice anymore

[1:51:16] They're still residents and that was their big argument was that we were having to raise water rates because we were using the

[1:51:22] Enterprise fund to supplement your general fund. So I'm trying really hard to not go back in that direction

[1:51:29] And so I'm trying to make sure that every request that I'm moving over there, whether

[1:51:33] it's the encode, whether it's salaries, it's a true, justifiable amount that I can

[1:51:38] tie actual numbers to.

[1:51:41] So that's where I'm at with that.

[1:51:43] But yes, we can take a look at the construction crew.

[1:51:46] I can take a look at those percentage slices and I can certainly take a look at some of

[1:51:50] the salaries and adjusting for them.

[1:51:53] Okay.

[1:51:53] Thank you.

[1:51:54] Appreciate that.

[1:51:58] So capital in the water fund is just water mains and water rights.

[1:52:02] Sewer fund, here's the breakdown, just main part,

[1:52:08] sewer camera repairs, manhole lids, hand tools.

[1:52:14] We have to paste saws or service fee.

[1:52:18] Our portion of share net near map is all in here.

[1:52:21] There's the portion of encode.

[1:52:25] There's your super main replacement, storm water, just your allocation for your fleet maintenance,

[1:52:33] your gloves, your trimmer stuff like that, your debris removal, that's the other portion

[1:52:41] that you can take first and tree stuff if it's in the creek, street maintenance, sweeper maintenance,

[1:52:46] repairs to any drainage system stuff, and there's your other portion for an air map and share net.

[1:52:53] The big things we're taking out of here is the wood chipper, the back hole, and the brush removal truck.

[1:52:58] The other thing that I talked to Melinda about is the trailer that's sitting on the other side.

[1:53:03] You could possibly move the trailer over here because you need the trailer to move all this equipment.

[1:53:07] So that 7,000 that's sitting there, you could move that over here if you need to.

[1:53:10] To store water.

[1:53:12] Okay.

[1:53:13] Red light camera, this is the conversation I wanted to have.

[1:53:16] As you can see here, we don't think that we're going to make what we actually budgeted for in red light cameras.

[1:53:22] We had a big hit this year in revenue mid-year after there was a lot of media coverage about whether or not to pay your red light camera ticket

[1:53:31] And so we took a big hit this year

[1:53:34] We don't think we're gonna hit the two million that we budgeted and so you're gonna have to take that from your reserve amount

[1:53:39] That's gonna dwindle your reserve amount to about 329,000. So that means you're starting this fiscal year with 329,000. I

[1:53:49] It's up to y'all. My recommendation is to leave it the same

[1:53:52] them, suck out the reserve and continue to pay your shelf personnel services.

[1:53:57] You're going to have to make a serious decision at some point, more specifically, more likely

[1:54:04] next year or the year after, on those salaries, and that share that $315,000.

[1:54:10] Or you're going to have to reduce your operating expenses or something else.

[1:54:15] So just know that that is coming.

[1:54:17] this will be probably unless we see an uptick in red light camera

[1:54:23] payments. Look at the trend of the phone balance. Yeah, I mean, you know, we

[1:54:29] don't know. Yes, no, no, it's it's going down. But I didn't anticipate we didn't

[1:54:37] anticipate the stuff to happen the way it happened mid-year this year. And so we

[1:54:41] took a bigger hit. We did project a decrease from last year to this year, but it was

[1:54:46] It's just a bigger hit, a half a million dollar hit, so you're going to have to take that

[1:54:52] from your reserve fund balance.

[1:54:54] Yes, Councillor Compos.

[1:54:56] What's the cause of the increase of the contractual services?

[1:55:02] What did I put over there?

[1:55:16] No.

[1:55:17] I was going to say because she took out the personal

[1:55:27] services, I guess, personal and you're

[1:55:30] So we actually added your liability insurance over here.

[1:55:35] 26,000.

[1:55:36] 26,000.

[1:55:39] Like what?

[1:55:40] But this is.

[1:55:41] There was some other slide that I was looking at.

[1:55:44] You were flipping through here.

[1:55:46] I don't know where it was.

[1:55:47] So this is.

[1:55:48] They're right here.

[1:55:50] 986803 in contractual services.

[1:55:52] And it goes to $1,037,558.

[1:55:56] Oh, for this upcoming budget, yeah.

[1:55:58] Yeah. What's over there? You're, what? Oh, traffic safety. That's where it's at. I was

[1:56:08] like, where is that at? Okay. Yeah. We had a conversation earlier. It's this one here.

[1:56:13] Contractor service and traffic safety. And I want to say it was person now. There it is.

[1:56:23] It's

[1:56:23] this one here. I don't know. It's your, it's your, your, remember when I was talking about

[1:56:29] your accent equipment. This is your accent equipment, but for the police side. Okay.

[1:56:34] I remember I told you about a camp. So that went up. Again, I don't like, there's certain

[1:56:40] things from here that you can shift out if you need to, but red light cameras isn't, I kind of

[1:56:47] look at it like your street maintenance fund. Like we take it down or deplete it. It's your reserve

[1:56:54] fund and your red light camera. That's the whole reason I kept savings and everybody's like,

[1:56:58] Just use money from here and I'm like, nope, you need to save money, you need to save money and so

[1:57:04] This is why can we go back to the the red light camera?

[1:57:08] Yeah, that was the track. So this so it's red light camera and traffic safety. This is the summary page

[1:57:14] And then I break it down to red light camera expenditures

[1:57:16] This is your red light cameras and then your traffic space safety expenditures

[1:57:19] And so your big increase here is in your contractual services 30,000 here

[1:57:24] but the biggest contributor for the 30,000 is your axon equipment increase, which is 14,000.

[1:57:30] And there's some increases here. Now this trusted driver that we're bringing on will also

[1:57:34] probably be able to move some of it over into your court technology because we buy your ticket

[1:57:41] riders out of court technology. My hope is is that you, this shared driver, you won't need ticket

[1:57:47] riders anymore. But I need an overlap a little bit because I love to launch things in for it to go

[1:57:53] seamless but if it doesn't go the way I want it to go you have your backup ticket writers does

[1:57:58] that make sense and just like right now I'm live streaming on your new peg channel but I still

[1:58:03] have swag it going because I want to make sure it all works before we transfer so I have both

[1:58:08] trusted driver in there but I also have some stuff and court technology just to make sure

[1:58:15] that everything works the way it should I don't want to put all my eggs in one basket and it doesn't work.

[1:58:19] Yeah, Councilor Roscoe.

[1:58:21] Dr. Codetta, Chief Gonzalez gave a presentation on the

[1:58:25] the flock cameras.

[1:58:26] Yeah, the flock cameras.

[1:58:28] Are we going to have to have some expenditures to be able to operate that?

[1:58:31] I've already done that this year.

[1:58:32] And then just coming out of the red light camera,

[1:58:34] because let me see it on there.

[1:58:35] Yeah, no, it won't be a great hit.

[1:58:37] These are the flock cameras you're paid for by the grant.

[1:58:39] Grant, yeah.

[1:58:40] And so I thought it would be a grant.

[1:58:42] And then the next year.

[1:58:44] So it's with 2027 then that we would have to allocate expenditures for that.

[1:58:49] It all depends when we sign a contract.

[1:58:52] I see.

[1:58:53] I have a contract.

[1:58:55] We haven't gotten a grant.

[1:58:56] We cannot put any money aside for the reason of money.

[1:59:01] I see.

[1:59:01] Okay.

[1:59:02] So how does it look?

[1:59:07] Hopefully we'll get it.

[1:59:08] Thank you.

[1:59:10] Okay.

[1:59:10] Anyone else?

[1:59:11] Okay.

[1:59:12] Thank you.

[1:59:13] And so if it comes again, you have 98,000 still sitting there and there could be

[1:59:18] something that you could deplete. My big thing with your red light camera fund, again,

[1:59:26] was to make sure you had enough money to cover yourself if this were to ever happen.

[1:59:30] That's why we built your reserve up so high and you had almost a million dollar sitting

[1:59:33] there. It happened. I just thought it wasn't going to happen for another year or two. So

[1:59:38] it just happened sooner than I anticipated. That's fine. That's what it was there for. That's

[1:59:42] what we're going to use it for. Then what we'll start doing next year is pulling items

[1:59:47] out of here and you'll have to move it over into your general whatever you

[1:59:51] want to keep from here. You'll have to move over to your general fund. You should

[1:59:54] already by 2030 be taking all your salaries year by year out of here.

[2:00:00] Because your red light camera contract will end in 2037. And if it completely depletes, like if you're not getting the revenue to cover your ATS contract, which is this here, then you can get out of your contract sooner. However, right now it's still helping cover. You still have money there to help cover the salaries that 315 and salaries that we're transferring out. Yes, Councillor Compos.

[2:00:26] Crystal, I keep asking you to clarify something every time this comes out, tell the audience

[2:00:33] how many police officers are being paid out of this red light camera.

[2:00:37] Six.

[2:00:39] Six.

[2:00:40] Six.

[2:00:41] Six.

[2:00:44] Six.

[2:00:46] Six.

[2:00:46] 109,968 plus your 300 and shared services,

[2:00:52] where is that personal services?

[2:00:55] 313,000 down here.

[2:00:57] So it's all your personnel services

[2:00:59] and all of your shared services.

[2:01:00] So it's total out of your red light cameras

[2:01:02] because it's traffic safety and red light cameras.

[2:01:04] It's your 925 and your 315.

[2:01:07] But as long as you generate enough to cover your contract,

[2:01:10] you can't get out of your contract.

[2:01:11] So as long as you're generating the 798,000,

[2:01:14] And, you know, you have to continue with your red light cameras.

[2:01:19] But then you also have to pay for, if you want to keep that personal.

[2:01:24] Now, two personal would go away.

[2:01:26] They're your red light camera hearing officers.

[2:01:28] And I gave you all the number last year and I can give you what that number looks like.

[2:01:32] But that remainder of the cost would have to be siphoned over into either your general

[2:01:36] fund.

[2:01:37] Maybe crime control can take a little bit of a hit.

[2:01:40] But for the most part, it's going to be-

[2:01:42] but we had a healthy balance in crime control.

[2:01:44] But you're not trying to take from reserve

[2:01:45] to cover your salaries.

[2:01:47] Your crime control reserve is for equipment,

[2:01:50] not for operating expenses.

[2:01:52] And thank you, Mayor.

[2:01:54] And good thing that you work on it on 23,

[2:01:57] because lessons to learn, but Coney's Heights

[2:02:00] did not prepare for this.

[2:02:04] And not to go after our sister city,

[2:02:07] but it's imperative that we do prepare for it,

[2:02:11] It's going to happen like you said.

[2:02:12] Well, I did prepare for this to happen.

[2:02:14] Exactly.

[2:02:15] And I'm thankful.

[2:02:16] So I get to say whoever was doubting me,

[2:02:18] I told you so.

[2:02:18] So whoever's sitting at home, I told you so.

[2:02:21] But it was, I mean, it was a constant.

[2:02:23] Spend your 900, five more vehicles out of here.

[2:02:25] And I was like, you need to have a healthy reserve.

[2:02:28] I'm predicting this is what's going to happen.

[2:02:30] And it happened.

[2:02:31] It just happened sooner than my anticipated time frame.

[2:02:34] And so that's exactly what took place.

[2:02:37] And so we're taking it to fulfill the fund.

[2:02:39] but maybe I'm wrong.

[2:02:40] I hope maybe by the end of the summer,

[2:02:41] we'll have a little bit of an uptick,

[2:02:43] and maybe this number will go up a little bit.

[2:02:45] So I'm hopeful, and then next year,

[2:02:48] we're projecting where we're ending up this year,

[2:02:50] and hopefully we won't go down anymore,

[2:02:52] and then we'll have a better idea of what we're looking at.

[2:02:56] Okay, very good.

[2:02:57] Thank you.

[2:02:59] Any other questions on red light camera or traffic safety?

[2:03:05] American Rescue, we just have to count for it,

[2:03:07] because we're still paying for our ambulance out of there.

[2:03:08] Here's your crime control your revenue is 440,000 your expenditures are sitting at 429

[2:03:15] So you can see you have a little bit of money there

[2:03:17] It does fund half of your assistant chief one patrol officer and one investigative sergeant

[2:03:22] But you said it doesn't it can't it can only be used. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry

[2:03:26] Yes, they can show that show that for ending fund back. I saw that tonight

[2:03:32] Use that for your salaries. You can only you should only be using that for your equipment

[2:03:36] So we'll purchase cars out of there, we'll purchase equipment out of there because it can only be even though we do fund three police officers

[2:03:43] Well, 50% you're 50% and then the other two. Yes, so we're able to do three, but then no no additional

[2:03:51] Well, no you only have a difference you so you're taking your 440 and you're 429 you subtract the two

[2:03:58] That's the difference you have remaining that you can use

[2:04:00] So roughly

[2:04:03] I got you that's what the tax correct for the year. I can I can move some ammunition over here

[2:04:10] I can move you know some little things from the general fund police into this I can take it off of red light

[2:04:17] Camera and make sure I leave you with a hundred thousand fund balance and put it over here but with that 819

[2:04:22] What can you purchase like cars or I mean the so that's you'll see I don't know if we moved it over yet

[2:04:29] Yeah, it's supposed I think there's a there's a car and it'll be okay. I'm just anything else

[2:04:35] No, but you could put your action on your bunker gear. It possibly put your axon equipment in here

[2:04:41] Okay, it is an operating expense, but you can use that and hit your do you hit that reserve fun?

[2:04:48] I mean

[2:04:50] Typically don't you exist not a capital item, but you okay, you could do that

[2:04:58] We're going to have to purchase in the future and so we're going to need money for that.

[2:05:07] Can we use that fund for the radios?

[2:05:10] That's why you don't want to hit this fund too hard because we need to prepare for the future because it's coming.

[2:05:18] Right Chief?

[2:05:19] It's coming.

[2:05:19] Well that's good to know because I you know I was thinking we were going to have to you know work with their county and ask them again. Please please please help us. You are that 100 isn't going to cover. It's not going to cover you. At least but at least we have a healthy reserve.

[2:05:33] Yeah and the radio's I mean it's a weird convert. It's a weird conversation because each individual radio technically is in a capital item. So it'll be put in as probably a contractual item and you'll hit your reserve fund as an operating expense.

[2:05:48] It'll be a little funky, but we'll, but yes, you could use some of that money.

[2:05:52] Okay, that's good.

[2:05:53] No, sorry, expenditures for your crime control, we're on the community and

[2:06:00] conference center 168,000 in revenue, expenditures are sitting at 166.

[2:06:05] So you're not going to have much go into your reserve fund.

[2:06:08] I did take out her requested capital, so we're going to sit and wait.

[2:06:11] Hopefully we can get the community and conference center rented.

[2:06:14] One of the big projects we're going to be taking on this upcoming year is

[2:06:18] taking a look at all your fees. So we're going to be going through your

[2:06:20] fee appendix and this is one of the fees or one of the your rental rate for

[2:06:25] this but all your fees we're going to be going through those this this

[2:06:28] upcoming year.

[2:06:31] Your community and conference expenditures it's just it's a very

[2:06:36] small budget you're just using it to fix the community and conference center

[2:06:40] throughout the year making sure that you're paying the biggest cost is paying your

[2:06:44] water, your electrical, you know, you heat and you cool the community center five days

[2:06:53] a week for like four or five people sometimes to pay play dominoes because the Northwest

[2:06:57] seniors are in there. So that's just, but that's a big chunk of where a lot of your money

[2:07:03] goes to fund the community and conference center is your electrical.

[2:07:09] Street maintenance tax, we just to plead this fun, it can only be used to, for street maintenance

[2:07:14] I didn't look, I was looking for the piece of legislation, it didn't look like it made it very far and so that was the one that we wanted to.

[2:07:21] Yeah, to be able to use it for new construction.

[2:07:23] So we're sitting here for, but it's just street maintenance, so we can only use it for slurry sale, anything to do with street maintenance in the street, but you can't use it for reconstruction.

[2:07:35] Special revenue funds, these are just our baby funds, but when we're talking about court technology, this is what I was talking about here.

[2:07:42] here, possibly moving the shared driver over here eventually will go into this.

[2:07:49] But Leo's funds can only be used for training for police, building securities, your bail

[2:07:54] lifts, child safety, your school crossing guards, that's your service payment.

[2:07:59] And then we're anticipating police forfeiture that's hopefully we'll get a bigger check

[2:08:05] than that.

[2:08:05] So would you explain that debt service?

[2:08:08] That's your debt service.

[2:08:10] but is it paid out of the INS?

[2:08:14] Yes, that's your interest in singing fun.

[2:08:17] But is the building, we consolidated all your debt.

[2:08:21] So it is your bond for the building,

[2:08:23] the fire truck.

[2:08:23] We're still paying for a fire truck

[2:08:25] that we don't have, yeah.

[2:08:26] We have to, a certificate on a bond.

[2:08:30] On the bond.

[2:08:31] So what you're seeing right there

[2:08:33] is the money that we're gonna move from the enterprise

[2:08:35] that is gonna pay for that bond

[2:08:37] because it belongs to the enterprise.

[2:08:39] All right. Oh, it's the water tower.

[2:08:41] Oh, it's the water tower.

[2:08:42] Oh, that's the interest that we're going to...

[2:08:44] No, sorry. That's the money that the water's going to give

[2:08:47] to the dev service, the 595.

[2:08:50] The water's going to give to the...

[2:08:51] The payment for the dev.

[2:08:53] Okay.

[2:08:54] And also a part of the INS tax rate.

[2:08:56] Okay.

[2:08:57] That's what I was...

[2:08:58] INS.

[2:08:59] Yes.

[2:09:00] Go ahead, Councillor.

[2:09:01] So we've had citizens' voice that we should have

[2:09:05] bonds, you know, float a bond for this and that, but we've had in the past, you know,

[2:09:13] and I don't know when, but where we use bonds to buy equipment, such as what

[2:09:20] is it a fire truck, that is no longer in use, that it was funded

[2:09:25] in a long-term bond obligation, and that's not something you don't want to do, and so and I would

[2:09:35] imagine you're you're not going to buy any equipment that doesn't meet the

[2:09:38] life of the bond the salaries and and stuff like that so for those citizens that

[2:09:43] believe that no are are are secret to get out of a deficit is through a funding

[2:09:49] bonds it's not that case the bond should be used for long-term infrastructure you

[2:09:54] do for city hall improvements if you're redoing maybe your community and

[2:09:57] conference center if you wanted to get a bond package together because you

[2:09:59] wanted to do your pool and your restrooms at the park and you know the

[2:10:04] the library annex.

[2:10:05] So if you're doing a complete public improvement infrastructure that is going, the infrastructure

[2:10:10] is going to be there for the next 50 years, or the next 30 years, that's what you're

[2:10:14] kind of looking at.

[2:10:15] Now, there's been big bond projects for streets, some cities have done some large bond projects

[2:10:19] for street improvements, and so that's something that y'all can consider, I mean, not now, but

[2:10:25] at some point, if you need a bunch of reconstruction, some street reconstruction, with us going

[2:10:30] in and doing the water stuff that we've approved the water infrastructure, that'll

[2:10:34] go hand in hand with some street improvements

[2:10:37] because we'll be in there for the water already.

[2:10:40] And so that will be part of that contract a little bit.

[2:10:43] And so, you know, so you'll kind of get bang for your butt

[2:10:47] kind of situation when we're dealing with the water

[2:10:49] and the street situation there.

[2:10:51] But if you wanted to do a bond, because for public works,

[2:10:53] more particularly has been an ongoing conversation,

[2:10:58] gosh, it's 2014.

[2:11:00] And so if y'all are looking at doing a bond package,

[2:11:03] but just know that it'll increase your INS rate,

[2:11:06] which will impact your tax rate.

[2:11:13] So just to kind of go over personnel,

[2:11:15] salaries have been adjusted to current markets.

[2:11:17] So what is in here as part of that 5% personnel increase

[2:11:20] is we're bringing people up to market.

[2:11:22] I know I had one council member ask me,

[2:11:23] they wanted to see each individual person's increase.

[2:11:26] I gave that to you all already on 5.19.

[2:11:30] I'm not, again, the way I did it was based on years of service.

[2:11:33] there's no other that's not on performance, it's not it's just bringing people to market based on their years

[2:11:39] Again, I do have projected health insurance in there for 14% that hopefully will come down

[2:11:44] I don't know what that will look like

[2:11:46] longevity pay is in there. It's a tiered system

[2:11:51] Here is the coverage for the health insurance. We got the funds in for retirement. It's coming in at 20.12

[2:11:58] The other piece of legislation just to kind of put you on notice is that past is TMS is going to be allowed to go to eight percent. So we're at seven.

[2:12:08] I don't know what that looks like as far as dollars goes, but if the governor signs it, then TMS will have a new tier of eight percent.

[2:12:15] So that at some point I know the employees are going to want y'all to have that conversation of whether or not y'all will be interested.

[2:12:20] And we're at seven right now.

[2:12:22] seven.

[2:12:24] But that's going to cost additional $1,000.

[2:12:26] It will cost additional $1,000. Absolutely.

[2:12:29] So I do put the holidays, the Christmas holiday in here because we do shut down from Christmas

[2:12:34] Eve until after January the 1st.

[2:12:37] We reopen January the 2nd.

[2:12:40] The next public hearing will be August the 19th.

[2:12:44] Formal adoption. We're hoping it will be around the August 19th timeframe.

[2:12:48] It may not be estimated date for the tax rate.

[2:12:52] and that concludes my budget presentation.

[2:12:55] I don't have any questions.

[2:12:56] All right.

[2:12:57] Well, I just want to, I've certainly opened it up

[2:13:00] for any further comments, but I just want to thank Dr. Caldera

[2:13:04] and our finance director and all of the department heads

[2:13:09] because I know we've been working on this for a while

[2:13:12] and I know you put a lot of time and effort

[2:13:13] and we greatly appreciate it.

[2:13:15] And we're making some progress, you know?

[2:13:17] I mean, it used to be 1.3 or 1.8.

[2:13:22] It was like what I've never seen at that high so we've we've so anyway

[2:13:27] Kudos to all of y'all and thank you so much for all your efforts really appreciate it any other yes comments

[2:13:33] Yes, thank you mayor crystal

[2:13:35] The governor just signed a bill for the Valerian tax for 65. How is that gonna affect it?

[2:13:43] Yeah, it is going to impact y'all well it depends. I mean, it's got to still go to the voters for a lot of those

[2:13:48] Oh, there's a lot there yeah, there's a lot of portions to that it won't for this particular budget if it goes into effect

[2:13:54] So the election will happen in November it will into effect in January of 26th for that tax year

[2:13:59] My understanding and this is what I told America's I'm not a hundred percent sure

[2:14:03] And I'm hoping that when I go to my training tomorrow and Saturday that I'll get a little bit of clarification

[2:14:08] It's not supposed to be for the proceeding tax here

[2:14:10] It's supposed to be for the tax year on coming is the way I'm reading it. Maybe I'm wrong

[2:14:15] And so you will see that impact not in this budget, but next year's budget.

[2:14:22] And there's a lot of stuff in there.

[2:14:24] There's a lot of increases, I mean, it's the highest tax bill being passed in a long

[2:14:29] time.

[2:14:29] And so the only way to combat any of that is going to be with raising your property tax.

[2:14:34] But there's a lot of exemptions.

[2:14:38] I think there's four big ones that will impact you.

[2:14:42] So.

[2:14:42] Okay, and the second question is in a refreshment memory, I know that we had a lawsuit for the opiate and they just

[2:14:50] Several for seven point four billion dollars. Do we still have a dog 30,000 it was it was a percentage split and we've gotten I think 14,000

[2:15:02] So you won't get any more. So they did it based on the big, the big cities got it. So like San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, all the smaller cities got like 7,000, 10,000. They did it by percentage appropriations. Okay. Thank you. And great job. This is more detailed budget that I've seen. Thank you. Yeah. Anyone else? Yes, Councillor Compos.

[2:15:29] So, Crystal Carroll, thank you, this is a lot of detail for the citizens at home.

[2:15:36] Every one of these numbers, you've got the detail for it.

[2:15:41] These are not guesses.

[2:15:43] This is our best estimates based on experience that you've got, input from your staff.

[2:15:50] You've questioned the staff, you've reduced expenses.

[2:15:53] I think you did a phenomenal job.

[2:15:56] There's increases in personnel cost and supplies and contractual services and still, even with revenue going down, which we never would have anticipated.

[2:16:09] I mean, we somewhat anticipated revenue at one point being hit when we raise the exemptions, right?

[2:16:16] We kind of anticipated that would be hit to our top line.

[2:16:21] But we did, I don't think we ever publicly said to the audience to our citizens that there

[2:16:29] is a possibility of having property assessments being reduced in that $40 million.

[2:16:37] That is a big thing to overcome and you've attempted to do that, I think you all did an excellent

[2:16:43] job.

[2:16:44] But I want to point out to the citizens that this means that we have a very, beyond the

[2:16:49] a very bare bones budget.

[2:16:52] You've done a significant amount of cuts,

[2:16:55] and there may not be where we're going to be able to say,

[2:16:59] oh, citizen AB or C is saying,

[2:17:03] I need some extra services.

[2:17:07] We probably can't do it.

[2:17:09] And we're not going to be able to repair things

[2:17:11] as quickly as what we've done in the past.

[2:17:14] However, there will be things that you may want to bring,

[2:17:17] you will bring to us that said, look, this needs to be taking into consideration individual

[2:17:24] items at a time for budget adjustments, right?

[2:17:28] But I just want to make sure that the citizens are aware of that.

[2:17:33] And you know, if we're thinking that, okay, our rates got to be the same, I am not of that

[2:17:41] opinion.

[2:17:42] Okay, I think our rate is going to have to increase and this is just my sole opinion, okay?

[2:17:46] And, you know, the new net revenue revenue rate is going to have to go up because we're

[2:17:56] seeing we don't have the same revenue and add the lower taxes, okay.

[2:18:00] That's my point, yeah.

[2:18:01] So, again, I want to thank you.

[2:18:06] I did notice that we were cutting some things even more.

[2:18:10] We've got the 9000 from what I'm, I tried it down 9000 for Fiesta Metals.

[2:18:15] the plastering going from the operating to capital. We've got moving at least 8,000 to

[2:18:22] encode if I understood that correctly. Correct to the water fund. We're going to look at minor

[2:18:30] allocation changes from the general fund to the water fund. So, you know, we're trying to really

[2:18:40] get this under control and I think all of us have been through these sessions and all

[2:18:45] of us have given you input. So again, thank you for the job that you're doing and thank

[2:18:50] you for all your department heads. Thank you.

[2:18:53] You appreciate it.

[2:18:53] You bet.

[2:18:54] Okay.

[2:18:56] All right. A labor of love.

[2:18:58] Okay. Anyone else?

[2:19:00] Okay. Well, thank you all very much. If there's no July 1st, next meeting.

[2:19:06] Yes. July 1st is our next meeting at 5 o'clock and we will meet in the large

[2:19:10] conference room. It'll be a continuation of our annual retreat that we started on May 31st,

[2:19:17] but did not get through it all. So hopefully we will get through it on Tuesday, July 1st,

[2:19:23] at 5 p.m. And then after that is the 4th of July. And at 6 o'clock, I think it'll be

[2:19:31] and no parade, but we will all be there with our red, white, and blue.

[2:19:36] Okay, Ron has been moved to back here.

[2:19:38] I don't know if y'all've gone.

[2:19:39] No, huh?

[2:19:39] Oh, okay.

[2:19:40] I didn't know about the 5K, Ron.

[2:19:43] So yeah, so in order, we were trying to make the numbers work for the police, and so we found

[2:19:51] that we needed reduced police personnel.

[2:19:52] If we relocated the race, it's going to go, I'm in a crystal where you at, I'm going to

[2:19:58] say it, Ron.

[2:19:58] Yeah, well, Bernie, so you're going to get all the El Verde people of set probably.

[2:20:01] Oh, boy.

[2:20:03] but there's a nice new hike and bike trail that they can hire.

[2:20:06] So try to utilize that.

[2:20:07] Yeah, that's right.

[2:20:09] So the Shadow Mist Trailhead over here, that's where it's going to start.

[2:20:14] The Shadow Mist Park.

[2:20:16] Oh, this area.

[2:20:17] On the street right there, Shadow Mist.

[2:20:18] It's not going to be at the Northwest Lilac.

[2:20:22] Oh, so we're going to start at Shadow Mist and we're going to come all the way up to the trail.

[2:20:26] And you're going to go over to Jeff Loop, come down El Verde, come back on the trail.

[2:20:30] two laps and then go back to Shuttle Mist and so they're going to use that

[2:20:36] empty parking lot or empty lot area as a parking lot for them. This really

[2:20:41] minimizes the amount of barricades and cones and we have to purchase one of the

[2:20:44] purchasing and so the numbers are going to significantly go down for that so

[2:20:49] when you're asking for costs for the 5k that's what I need to know so when you

[2:20:54] meet on July 1st what route are they in favor of we can get actual cost for each

[2:20:59] route because each route will be different amount of barricades, cones, security, it goes,

[2:21:05] it's impacted by intersections, major intersections, or impact that cost.

[2:21:09] Okay, now, I just want to be sure, number one, are we going to put this in the e-news

[2:21:15] or wherever on the website?

[2:21:17] So she already has it on her website?

[2:21:19] Okay.

[2:21:19] She already has it on her website and she's already shared some information as a flyer and

[2:21:23] I've put that in the e-news already.

[2:21:26] so I told her that I would at the kind of semi-heart make doorhangers and do

[2:21:31] the 26 houses here. I was going to say we need to communicate to citizens that

[2:21:35] helped.

[2:21:37] I'll help you. I'll help you. I'll help you. I'll help you. I want to go

[2:21:43] and do doorhangers for her. Okay. Now if you need help I'm I love to walk. Yes.

[2:21:49] Councillor Mersh. Is there enough parking at Shadow Mist? I mean that's not a real

[2:21:53] big space at that trail. So after we met as a team and you know chief and fire

[2:21:59] and public works we all met and we we felt confident that there is parking

[2:22:03] not only here at City Hall. I mean yes they're going to run a 5k but you're

[2:22:07] already going to run so you can walk.

[2:22:11] You can walk to the shed a mess. Yeah you can

[2:22:14] walk down El Verde meet up at the site or park if you get there early. And then

[2:22:21] And I'd like to suggest that even though you're not going to run the 5K, go ahead and register

[2:22:27] anywhere and get a medal, if things look, we may not have this again, and the medal

[2:22:32] will be a keepsake.

[2:22:33] Not only that, but it helps with your circle of society, and it helps you stuff with the

[2:22:37] onion house and stuff.

[2:22:38] Well, we're trying, so we needed to reduce the cost this year because we were already kind

[2:22:42] of screeching over budget, and so the new route she gave us was going to increase the budget

[2:22:48] by an additional 5,000 just to cozy intersections with security and stuff to be able to block the intersection she was looking at wanting to do.

[2:22:56] So we told her she couldn't do that.

[2:22:59] So then we said, let's draft one for you at the minimal cost.

[2:23:02] And so I thought, well, once I get the numbers of how much this costs and I can present that to you.

[2:23:06] So when you have the discussion on whether or not to fund that or not, you know, I have at least two variations of the cost what we paid last year.

[2:23:15] And then we're going to pay this year on this kind of situation.

[2:23:18] Well, thanks for thinking outside the box.

[2:23:20] And again, reducing the cost is trying.

[2:23:24] It's been key.

[2:23:24] So thank you so much for that.

[2:23:26] OK, all right.

[2:23:28] So if there's no, I don't know where my phone is, what time is it?

[2:23:32] No, oh, there it is.

[2:23:33] 7 is at 8 or 7, 725.

[2:23:37] All right, so if there's no objection,

[2:23:38] We will move to adjourn on June 19th at 725 from our special meeting.

[2:23:47] Thank you.

[2:23:48] You all have a good evening.

[2:23:49] We'll see you on July 1st.

Jun 19, 2025 Special City Council

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