[0:00] ing of the village of Leonard Zoho Board

[0:02] of Appeal is to order. Let's stand for

[0:04] the pledge of allegiance.

[0:07] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[0:10] United States of America and to the

[0:12] republic for which it stands, one nation

[0:16] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:19] justice for all.

[0:23] Would you like to be Mr.

[0:28] President Mr. here.

[0:31] Swack here.

[0:33] Zel here.

[0:36] All present.

[0:37] Okay. Um, so we have the agenda before

[0:41] us. Would anybody like to make a motion

[0:43] to approve tonight's agenda?

[0:47] I'll approve.

[0:48] Okay. And a second.

[0:51] I'll second.

[0:53] All in favor? I

[0:58] Okay, so before we get into the the

[1:02] nitty-gritty of the meeting, um we just

[1:04] have some procedural items that our

[1:07] secretary, Jennifer Swag, is going to

[1:09] read aloud.

[1:11] If you need to go over this again, we

[1:12] have to read for work through. Welcome

[1:16] to the Village of Leonard Zoning Board

[1:17] of Appeals meeting. Please listen to the

[1:19] rules and procedures for the public

[1:21] hearing. There are two rules that may

[1:23] affect our ability to proceed tonight.

[1:26] First, in the public, if a public notice

[1:29] was not posted 15 days prior to this

[1:31] meeting, we cannot hold the hearing

[1:33] tonight. We will confirm that was done.

[1:35] All right.

[1:35] Second, we must have four board members

[1:38] present to proceed. 1, two, three, and

[1:40] four. When your matter is called, please

[1:42] stand and give your name and address.

[1:44] The chairperson will then swear you in

[1:47] and read the record of information we

[1:49] have and read the record of information

[1:51] we have for your application. input from

[1:53] various authorities and any

[1:55] correspondence received on your

[1:56] application. The chairperson will then

[1:59] ask you to make your presentation to the

[2:01] board. After you have made your

[2:02] presentation, the board will ask

[2:04] questions they deem appropriate and then

[2:06] we'll ask for comments from the public.

[2:09] If you wish to speak for or against an

[2:12] application, we ask that you wait until

[2:14] you're acknowledged. Stand up. Give us

[2:16] your name and address. Tell us where

[2:18] your property is in relation to the

[2:19] property that is in question. And then

[2:21] please direct your comments to the

[2:23] board, not the applicant. We must keep a record and we cannot do that if

[2:29] people are talking over each other or

[2:30] cross conversations. If you have

[2:32] anything additional to say, please don't

[2:34] hesitate to do so. But keep in mind that

[2:36] you'll be given only one opportunity to

[2:38] speak. After the public has spoken, the

[2:41] board may ask the applicant to answer

[2:43] questions that may have come up as a

[2:45] result of the public comment or for the

[2:48] applicant to summarize. When the

[2:50] applicant is asked to answer any

[2:51] questions, if that happens, it does not

[2:54] start a second round of public comments.

[2:57] Once the matter has been heard, various

[2:59] things may occur. The board may decide

[3:02] on the application immediately or it may

[3:05] reserve decision. Reserving decision

[3:07] does not mean that the matter is

[3:09] approved or denied. It just means that

[3:11] the board needs to needs more time to

[3:13] decide. They may want to go out look at

[3:15] the site or may want to review the

[3:17] documents further before deciding. In

[3:20] either event, the applicant will receive

[3:22] the board's decision in writing in

[3:24] writing shortly after a decision is

[3:26] made. If the application is approved,

[3:29] that does not mean go ahead and start

[3:31] construction. A building permit would

[3:33] need to be obtained. Jerus will take it.

[3:37] Thank you. All right. So before us we

[3:40] have Jennifer Arendale. Um she has

[3:42] applied for dimensional variance for

[3:44] 4571

[3:46] Rosie Drive. Jennifer, could you please

[3:48] stand?

[3:51] Hello everyone.

[3:52] Hi. Do you affirm to tell the truth?

[3:55] Yes.

[3:56] Go ahead. Um and just one more little

[3:59] thing is just just all for recordeping.

[4:02] Would you just state your name for us

[4:04] again and your address?

[4:05] Jenniferale

[4:07] address is 45715

[4:10] uh Leonard Michigan which is in letter.

[4:13] Okay. What would you like to tell us

[4:15] about your application?

[4:16] So regarding my application, we'd like

[4:18] to put in a

[4:21] garage which would be the size of a

[4:23] threecar garage um a 30 by 40. By doing

[4:27] so, if you look at the information I

[4:29] sent, there's pictures and I have a row

[4:33] of pine trees. Those pine trees are

[4:35] about

[4:37] almost say

[4:41] 30 ft in front of the house, but hard to

[4:44] tell because of the way the elevation of

[4:46] the house is. So, my house is here, but

[4:50] then it I have my driveway and then it

[4:51] slopes down and then I have a row of

[4:54] trees. Right behind that row of trees,

[4:57] the previous owner put in like a pad

[5:00] like to park a car in. Um, and I'd like

[5:03] to put the garage right there, allowing

[5:08] me to be only 22 ft in front of my

[5:12] garage in my house. Right. So, here's my

[5:15] house. So, right here. So, you'd be it'd

[5:17] be very difficult to see the the

[5:19] difference from the road, but by doing

[5:21] this, it allows my property to continue

[5:24] the drainage to the back, which is all

[5:27] swamp land. So, it doesn't hurt the

[5:30] drainage there. Also, due the due to the

[5:33] aesthetics of Leonard Estates,

[5:36] um it allows me to turn the garage so my

[5:40] garage doors don't face the road. They

[5:43] actually face my house, which is the way

[5:46] that

[5:48] all but one house is like that in my sub

[5:51] is that all of the garages are turned so

[5:54] you don't see them from the road. So

[5:56] like you don't see the opening of the

[5:58] doors from the road to make it a clean

[6:01] um

[6:03] look throughout the neighborhood. So

[6:06] that's what I'm asking for is just that

[6:09] little bit of furniture so I can put in

[6:11] the garage there allowing a for my

[6:14] property to drain correctly and two to

[6:17] keep the aesthetic of my

[6:21] uh subdivision.

[6:24] I've already gone out to the subdivision

[6:26] to the people. I've posted it on our we

[6:29] have a letter estates Facebook page.

[6:31] I've posted it there. Nobody. Everyone

[6:34] has given me thumbs up hoping that we

[6:36] get it because again they don't want the

[6:39] garage doors facing the road. Even if I

[6:42] placed it somewhere else on the

[6:44] property,

[6:45] a there' be a there' be an issue in the

[6:49] back because again my garage doors have

[6:51] to face the road and nobody in my sub

[6:54] would want that because again you're

[6:56] looking for aesthetics

[6:58] um in the type of sub that Liverstates

[7:00] is. Um,

[7:03] so I've also gone to and made sure that

[7:07] all of my neighbors know within the 300

[7:10] ft of my subdivision and none of them

[7:13] have an issue with the servants at all.

[7:16] They're all hoping that I get it. Um,

[7:19] and I just got a documentation pin on

[7:22] that as well. Um, again, we're trying to

[7:25] build it so it matches the aesthetic,

[7:27] the architecture style of our house. um

[7:30] there as well. So again, that it blends

[7:33] in architecturally and with the way that

[7:36] the neighborhood is.

[7:41] Okay. Um we have any questions?

[7:44] You know, at this point, what I need to

[7:46] do is see if any citizens

[7:49] um have any comment and then what we'll

[7:50] do is we'll kind of like move on from

[7:52] there to ask some questions after that.

[7:55] So this is kind of like our first round.

[7:56] So, um, is there anyone in the audience

[7:59] that would like to make comments or

[8:01] questions, um, for Jennifer or for

[8:03] ourselves on this zoning variance?

[8:08] Okay, I'll take that as a no. So, um,

[8:12] what we can do now is as, um, zoning

[8:15] boarded appeals members, um, we can

[8:19] direct our comments to Jennifer that we

[8:20] might have regarding, um, her

[8:22] presentation on zoning varants.

[8:30] Um, so I um are you the original owner?

[8:35] Did you build the home or was it already

[8:38] existing?

[8:39] No, it was already existing.

[8:40] It was existed.

[8:43] And was it just the home itself or was

[8:45] it and were there any outuildings or any

[8:47] accessory buildings?

[8:48] No, it was just the home.

[8:50] Okay. Is the the garage that you're

[8:53] looking to build, is anybody in any way

[8:55] going to live in that unit?

[8:59] No.

[8:59] Okay. So, it won't be habitable. And are

[9:01] there any commercial activities that

[9:02] would be happening in there?

[9:07] Um,

[9:10] are there other alternatives? I noticed

[9:13] on your diagram that you do have option

[9:16] two.

[9:17] Yes, option two. If I put it all the way

[9:19] back there, that means I also have to

[9:21] put in another driveway um on my

[9:23] property. By doing that, that's that's

[9:28] not going to, if you want to say, more

[9:30] of a hardship due to the fact that now

[9:33] it's another driveway that has to go

[9:34] onto the property. And again, you're

[9:37] looking at the aesthetics of the

[9:40] neighborhood. Um, and they're probably

[9:43] not going to want me to run a driveway

[9:46] straight all the way back on one side.

[9:48] It would also I'd have to be careful

[9:50] because I do have a well there. Um,

[9:53] which would cause me issues as well

[9:55] trying to get around that.

[9:57] Yeah, I know. I noticed that uh on your diagram you did get us a well,

[10:03] right? You didn't show us where your

[10:04] well is located.

[10:06] Actually, is it is it up front? It's not

[10:08] way up front, is it? No, on the front is

[10:11] my septic field is the front of the

[10:13] house is a septic field and then on the

[10:15] side of the house to the south side is

[10:18] my well.

[10:21] So then I I planted an orchard

[10:25] um on the side which you can't really

[10:27] see with the diagram but there's an

[10:29] orchard there. And so I would have to

[10:31] remove those and try and get around to

[10:33] get into the back.

[10:41] So, currently in Leonard Estates,

[10:45] um, I know that there's,

[10:48] for lack of a better word, I don't want

[10:50] to use the word defunct because I I

[10:52] can't think of what how to say it, but

[10:54] the HOA guidelines that you currently

[10:58] have, they're not enforceable, right?

[11:00] Correct. They are not.

[11:01] Okay. So, cuz I know that there's a

[11:03] white house in there. There's somebody

[11:04] else whose garage is facing another

[11:07] direction.

[11:08] That's the White House,

[11:09] right? Right. Okay.

[11:12] Yeah. All All

[11:13] It all comes down to that white house.

[11:16] So, I guess what I'm trying to I'm

[11:18] trying to do is not be that white house

[11:21] because I'm trying to appease a lot of

[11:23] neighbors by making sure I can get that

[11:27] garage doors turned. Um, so again, it's

[11:31] going with the flow and the aesthetics

[11:34] of everything in Leonard estates because

[11:38] even if I put it towards the back in

[11:40] that B location, the only way I can do

[11:42] that is with those doors facing the

[11:45] road.

[11:46] Right. Right.

[11:46] So, um, and then I still have to put in

[11:49] another driveway. Mhm.

[11:52] Um,

[11:54] so that's why when they built the house,

[11:56] they put it in that pad already there.

[11:59] So it was like that they were going to

[12:01] like like that was their idea is to

[12:03] build there anyways. Um, the nice thing

[12:06] is is that this would be behind my my

[12:08] pine trees. So you really you're not

[12:12] really going to see it much. Do you know

[12:14] what I mean? You're not going to see the

[12:15] variance. You're not going to see the

[12:17] different depths. Um, it's going to be

[12:20] very,

[12:21] per se from the road, it's going to be

[12:24] very difficult to tell.

[12:27] Pine trees are how tall?

[12:29] are they pine trees?

[12:31] 40 ft.

[12:32] They've been like they're the original

[12:34] pine trees of the property. So, they're

[12:36] huge.

[12:40] Any

[12:44] other planning commissioners have any

[12:46] other questions that they might want you

[12:48] to ask at this time?

[12:52] Um, why did you go with the dimensions

[12:54] of 30x40?

[12:56] That's a unusually large garage for two

[13:00] cars.

[13:01] I would need a threecar garage. I have,

[13:04] if you come to my house, which you're

[13:06] more than welcome, I have a lot of

[13:08] four-wheelers and a lot of motorcycles,

[13:11] dirt bikes.

[13:11] Okay.

[13:12] So, my kids race.

[13:14] Yeah.

[13:14] So, I need a place, what I'm trying to

[13:16] do is give them a place that they can

[13:18] work on everything and keep it there

[13:21] versus having a trailer or something

[13:24] else trying to work out of. That's just

[13:26] not feasible.

[13:28] And there's no way of moving it back to

[13:31] the 20 foot so that you're at the same

[13:32] level uh off of

[13:35] because if my driveway like when you

[13:38] come out my driveway at my house here's

[13:40] my driveway it drops like it's like a

[13:42] sledding hill so it drops and then it

[13:45] drains out to the back.

[13:47] Yeah. So, by doing that, I've got to

[13:49] start bringing in a ton of dirt, which

[13:50] now I'm starting to change the drainage

[13:53] of the property. And I'm worried about

[13:55] that because the pond, which is not

[13:57] mine, in the back of the property,

[14:00] right? Everything drains out.

[14:03] Yep.

[14:05] I can see there's quite a quite a drop

[14:07] off that goes from the front to the

[14:10] back.

[14:10] It is. So, when I've I've had three

[14:13] different like builders come out and

[14:14] talk to me and they're like, "Well, if

[14:16] you do this and move it forward and put

[14:18] it here, it'll cause less of the

[14:21] drainage issues." And I'm like, "Okay,

[14:24] so that is why I'm here now."

[14:26] Okay.

[14:35] So if um I just want to give and the

[14:37] other zoning board members an

[14:40] opportunity to ask any more questions.

[14:42] Okay. So um Jennifer, what I'm going to

[14:44] do at this time just because this is not

[14:45] like a regular thing that we do, I don't

[14:47] want to share with you in the audience

[14:50] what our criteria is for making

[14:52] decisions. Um so we as a zoning board

[14:55] are kind of held to a criteria of three

[14:58] standards. And um as far as the the law

[15:05] goes, what we need to do is either in

[15:09] your presentation that you made to us is

[15:11] you need to prove that all three of

[15:14] those standards are something um that

[15:19] you meet our criteria and we could say

[15:22] yes. If you don't meet one of those

[15:25] criterias, then we're kind of guided as

[15:28] a board to

[15:30] uh decide not to approve the variance.

[15:34] So, um the variances are, you know, um

[15:39] they run with the property and with all

[15:42] future owners. So, what we're going to

[15:44] looking at is Oh, I just made a couple

[15:47] little notes. So, I just want to

[15:52] Item number two

[15:56] that the practical difficulties or both

[15:59] which will result from failure to grant

[16:01] the variance include substantially more

[16:03] than one inconvenience inability to

[16:06] attain higher financial return or both.

[16:08] So basically what they're saying is there another way that it can be done

[16:15] because is it just is it a mandatory

[16:17] thing like if if your house let's say

[16:19] didn't have running water and you said

[16:23] this is not an inconvenience this is

[16:25] something that we need to live and then

[16:28] that's something that we could adjust

[16:30] and change but when it's something

[16:32] that's just a matter of inconvenience

[16:36] because you have more toys, for lack of

[16:39] a better word, then it creates um a

[16:42] situation where we're as a board not

[16:46] supposed to just say, well, as much as

[16:49] what you say makes sense, you know, and

[16:51] it's logical, but we have to follow

[16:54] these standards and we have to meet them

[16:57] in order to make a judgment on this. um

[17:00] because there is an alternate location

[17:03] that you can use to build your accessory

[17:06] building without variance, we wouldn't

[17:09] really be able to go ahead as a board

[17:12] and vote on that. Now, all the all the

[17:14] members, you know, get a vote, but just

[17:17] as far as basic standards that were held

[17:20] to make a ruling, that's kind of how we

[17:25] have to go.

[17:27] So, um,

[17:29] can I ask a question? What about like

[17:31] the other houses? I'll use Porter Lane.

[17:34] They have their garage in front of their

[17:36] house.

[17:37] Mhm.

[17:37] So, that was built or the house down the

[17:40] street was their house. Their garage is

[17:43] built in front of their house instead in

[17:45] the back of their house. It's the green

[17:48] house. Um, I'm just questioning those.

[17:52] Sure.

[17:52] And now I understand times can change.

[17:56] But again, I'm sure that there's

[17:58] alternate locations that those could go.

[18:02] What happened in the past with prior

[18:04] administrations or however long ago that

[18:06] was, you know, I can't speak to, you

[18:09] know, they're ordinance violations. They

[18:10] shouldn't have happened, but they did.

[18:13] But I think what we're trying to do is

[18:15] to set a standard and say, you know,

[18:19] these are what's set forth for a reason

[18:22] for the basic overall overall well-being

[18:25] of the community. And that's kind of

[18:28] what we need to look to and it is

[18:30] upsetting when you see things like that.

[18:32] Um, and know that you're trying to do

[18:34] all the things the right way and you

[18:38] know it becomes difficult. So I

[18:40] definitely empathize with it for sure.

[18:43] Okay.

[18:44] But it's just that one of the reasons I

[18:46] did this too was a again because of the

[18:48] drainage of the property. So I don't

[18:53] like hurt that but also due the fact

[18:56] that

[18:58] because of our homes and and lates on

[19:03] how they wanted a certain look per se in

[19:08] our south which we bring in a lot of tax

[19:11] revenue for the village.

[19:13] Sure. So, I'm trying to keep

[19:17] that aesthetics going so that way it

[19:20] doesn't

[19:22] diminish anything

[19:25] within the neighborhood. And again, all

[19:29] of Winter Estates knows that we're

[19:30] trying to build this and they've all

[19:33] been very very positive with it.

[19:35] Right. Right. and and once again us as a

[19:39] board um you know it's it's difficult to

[19:43] make these decisions because you know

[19:45] you do have support of your neighbors

[19:47] but we're not supposed to look at when

[19:50] we make these decisions things like that

[19:53] we're supposed to look at

[19:55] does this meet these standards

[19:58] if it doesn't we can't grant the

[20:02] variance and so that's kind of the

[20:04] position that we're

[20:07] So, okay. So, right now you're telling

[20:09] me you can't grant me this variance.

[20:12] Correct.

[20:13] I would need a motion. Obviously,

[20:15] I I have a question. Well, then why

[20:17] would you go out to my neighbors and ask

[20:19] them if they had issues?

[20:21] Because it's the law. I had to.

[20:24] Okay. They've all approved it and said

[20:26] yes. They would rather have that versus

[20:29] my graduates facing the road, which I

[20:31] totally get. No one wants to see that,

[20:33] right? in the neighborhood.

[20:35] Right. Right. I realize it's a it's a

[20:39] difficulty, you know. I do.

[20:46] Okay.

[20:47] So, at this point, um, where we're

[20:51] at is I'm wondering if we have any board

[20:55] members that would like to make a

[20:56] motion.

[21:01] If no one does, I can make a motion. and

[21:03] you can decide to vote to or for or

[21:06] against. Um I'll make a motion to deny

[21:10] the request for the front yard variance.

[21:13] Um excuse me. Yes, it's not the front

[21:16] yard. It's actually the side yard,

[21:19] right? But

[21:19] you just said front yard.

[21:21] Well, the line of where your home

[21:24] started your house is set back. is

[21:26] actually 22 ft in front of the sideyard

[21:31] varants from my house. So you're talking

[21:34] like me to you like and it's not much

[21:37] but again it's due to like the drainage

[21:39] of the property. It's still called the

[21:41] front yard only because the line that

[21:43] runs from your front like your front

[21:45] door across straight across anything

[21:49] from there to the road is considered

[21:52] front yard. So, your variance actually

[21:54] the way it's listed is asking for a

[21:57] front yard, not a sideyard.

[22:00] So, um, does that track?

[22:02] Okay. Okay.

[22:04] So, um, I make a motion to deny the

[22:08] request for the front yard variance

[22:10] section 4.1

[22:13] 4.17A

[22:15] by Mrs. for the catch site building on

[22:19] 4571 Rosie Drive because it does not

[22:22] meet standard 2 in section 24.06A.

[22:26] Further, this denial is due to these

[22:28] findings of the fact that there is an

[22:30] alternate location where the homeowner

[22:32] can build the accessory building without

[22:35] a variance.

[22:37] Um,

[22:41] I would like to ask

[22:44] a second on that motion.

[22:48] I'll second the motion.

[22:54] Um, can I do a roll call vote on that?

[22:58] Alani or call on that because I'm

[23:01] stepping back into my old pardon me.

[23:05] Uh, no.

[23:07] I'm sorry.

[23:09] No.

[23:13] Is did you say no to agree with the

[23:16] denial

[23:18] or to not agree with the denial?

[23:22] Uh I did two

[23:23] to to agree with the

[23:31] right. Agree with the the denial.

[23:42] and swag. I am going to ask you to

[23:45] disagree with the denial.

[23:48] Lori,

[23:48] agree with the

[23:51] we have one, two, three, four agrees and

[23:54] one disagree for the record.

[24:00] Okay, so the motion passes. Thank you.

[24:06] If there is no further business to come

[24:09] before the Yes.

[24:13] plan information.

[24:15] Um yeah, we had a zoning board of

[24:17] appeals meeting today for a variance

[24:19] request.

[24:22] So when planning commission

[24:25] um next month, I think, right?

[24:27] Yes.

[24:28] Well, possibly next month.

[24:31] Yes. If if there's business in front of

[24:33] the planning commission, then I would be

[24:35] if we have business, we'll meet in

[24:36] October. If not, we will push forward.

[24:41] Do you have another date?

[24:44] Yeah.

[24:48] Okay. Do you um would you like to make a

[24:51] request to be put on the agenda for the

[24:53] next meeting, the next time the planning

[24:55] commission meets?

[24:57] Okay. So, you're going to be also you I

[24:59] know that you came to a village council

[25:01] meeting and you asked to be put on the

[25:03] agenda for the village council. Do you

[25:04] want to stay on that one, too?

[25:07] Um,

[25:10] yeah, I've got two different things

[25:11] going. So, yeah.

[25:13] Okay. Okay.

[25:15] I I think I think the regular meeting I

[25:20] got to deal with this building over

[25:21] here. There's so much screwed up in the

[25:24] past. I don't even know how to fix it.

[25:28] just it's overwhelming.

[25:30] Okay.

[25:31] Um

[25:33] things went on that shouldn't have

[25:40] it was our home village.

[25:44] It's our home village.

[25:48] Um

[25:51] I understand

[25:52] it sits there.

[25:53] Yeah. They were the ones that created

[25:55] the situation.

[25:58] We We lost

[26:01] an enormous amount of property that I

[26:04] could use for a septic. The fire

[26:07] department could use it. This building

[26:09] could use it and that building could use

[26:12] it. from 18 sub 189

[26:17] on

[26:19] uh someplace

[26:21] in that time frame of maybe 1950

[26:24] something went on where all of a sudden

[26:26] that property went away

[26:29] and and I'm I'm gathering that and we're

[26:32] going way back there was a sawmill over

[26:34] here correct

[26:36] over there in the 1800s

[26:40] and they had to bring the logs in from

[26:42] the west. So they decided to cut through

[26:46] where the alley is. Pretty soon

[26:50] it ended up being village property and

[26:56] 40 ft on the north of the alley

[26:59] disappeared into what is now

[27:03] Janet's property. I think we need to get

[27:06] that property back where it goes so we

[27:08] can have a septic field in these four

[27:10] buildings or we should just tear them

[27:12] down. That's that's the way I feel.

[27:16] Okay.

[27:16] It's going to involve lawyers

[27:19] because it is a touchy situation.

[27:22] I've got somebody you can talk to about

[27:25] this. It's it's our health department

[27:28] rep for this area. He could tell you the

[27:31] whole story on this. I don't even know

[27:33] if he knows the stuff in the 1800s, but

[27:37] he he he discovered things here that

[27:40] shouldn't have been in the attic, but

[27:41] they are. And there happened to be on my

[27:45] particular property.

[27:49] They put a catch basin in right behind

[27:52] the firewall

[27:54] that never caught any water.

[27:57] The water could never get to it.

[28:01] And it turned out it wasn't for catching

[28:03] water. It was for getting rid of sewage.

[28:07] I don't even want to say it, but

[28:10] that's what they just got.

[28:12] Okay. So,

[28:14] we need to fix this.

[28:15] Okay. So, you are going to bring are you

[28:18] going to bring a proposal to the next

[28:22] planning commission meeting? like

[28:23] something I just want to be certain if

[28:26] we ask the planning commissioners to

[28:28] meet because sometimes we'll only meet

[28:31] four times a year if we don't have

[28:33] something on there. If you are coming to

[28:35] spitball or are you kind we could

[28:38] probably just sit down outside of this

[28:40] and and maybe have a one-on-one, you

[28:43] know, where a couple people could just

[28:44] sit down and meet with you where we

[28:46] wouldn't need to bring the whole

[28:48] planning commission together. So, or are

[28:50] you planning on bringing like a proposal

[28:54] I don't even know what to say about it

[28:56] because it's it's really weird.

[28:58] Okay. All right. It sounds

[29:00] we need to brainstorm and figure out how

[29:02] to solve this. We can't use this

[29:04] building cuz it doesn't have a septic

[29:05] field. Septic field never has.

[29:09] Fireball never had one. This one never

[29:12] had one. My building does have one, but

[29:14] it could be much much bigger. I think I

[29:17] could have set 3700

[29:20] more feet of footage for a septic field

[29:24] if I got property back that originally

[29:27] was there.

[29:28] Okay.

[29:29] I I don't know how it even disappeared.

[29:31] Okay. It sounds to me like maybe since

[29:34] you don't have anything like fared out,

[29:37] maybe I could ask some of the planning

[29:40] commissioners that are here right now if

[29:43] they would just want to sit down with

[29:45] you and me more on a one-on-one than in

[29:48] a structured meeting where we could you

[29:52] could just tell us what you've got and

[29:53] we could just kind of

[29:55] digest that information.

[29:56] That would be wonderful.

[29:57] Okay, why don't we do that? just spend

[29:59] an hour and a half register these

[30:02] wherever it is here.

[30:05] All right, let's do that. I know where

[30:06] to find you. So, um I

[30:10] after I speak with some of the other

[30:12] planning commissioners um about some

[30:14] availability. Maybe we could just sit

[30:16] down for an hour with you one day and go

[30:17] over it. Okay. That it doesn't have to

[30:19] be an official meeting.

[30:21] We should uh we should include the

[30:23] health department for this area. He's

[30:28] he doesn't know what to do.

[30:31] Okay. Well, you can we it's just a start

[30:33] for now, you know, if you want to just

[30:37] however you want to do it. We'll come up

[30:38] with a date. So, um that being the case,

[30:40] right before we adjourn, um being that

[30:43] this might be just kind of a private

[30:45] one-on-one meeting, I think might just

[30:46] be easier. Um for us, I don't think it

[30:48] requires a meeting. Um, is there any

[30:51] items that would be on October's agenda

[30:54] that would cause us to need to meet?

[31:00] Okay.

[31:01] All right. So, we could probably get a

[31:04] motion to not um not meet

[31:10] um in October. Yeah. And then you can

[31:12] pass that on to the council at the next

[31:14] meeting.

[31:16] I'll just let the council

[31:20] Is there anybody who would like to make

[31:22] a motion to cancel October's planning

[31:24] commission meeting?

[31:28] Okay, I'll make a motion. Um, I'll make

[31:30] a motion to cancel October's planning

[31:32] commission meeting.

[31:35] I have a second.

[31:40] Can I have an all in favor? I

[31:50] Okay. Um, we are adjourned.

[31:52] Oh, I'm sorry. We need a motion to

[31:55] I'm going to get the hang of this yet.

[31:56] So, this is my This is my first one,

[31:58] right?

[31:59] I think that's actually the only thing

[32:00] that you don't need a motion for.

[32:01] Oh, I don't. Oh, you should do it.

[32:03] That's why you don't have it on there.

[32:04] I'll make a motion first.

[32:06] Okay. Anybody?

[32:08] Second.

[32:11] We are all in favor. I done

Village of Leonard Zoning Board of Appeals Regular Meeting: September 18th, 2025

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