[0:00] Let's call this Lincoln County Commission meeting to order. It's Tuesday, September 15th, 20260830.

[0:06] Madam Clerk, roll call, please.

[0:08] Commissioner Sermis.

[0:10] Here, Commissioner Appraiser. Commissioner Chavez.

[0:14] Commissioner Wilson.

[0:15] Chair Fischer.

[0:17] Invocation, please, for Commissioner Wilson.

[0:23] What does we gather here today? I've been just reaching.

[0:26] Well, it's it's present in.

[0:28] That they have a willingness and a desire to work for the betterment of.

[0:32] Of all people here.

[0:33] Lord, as we begin this.

[0:35] Meeting We ask for your wisdom.

[0:37] We acknowledge that we need your wisdom and insights.

[0:40] We welcome your presence here among us.

[0:42] Guide us in our discussions and decisions and help us.

[0:46] Do and seek.

[0:47] The best for all involved.

[0:48] Amen. Amen.

[0:50] Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:53] Pledge allegiance to the flag.

[0:55] The United States of America.

[0:57] And to the Republic for which it stands.

[1:00] One Nation.

[1:01] Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[1:06] I suppose I can stay there in.

[1:09] Reasonable, perfect friendships among united cultures.

[1:13] Thank you very much.

[1:17] So I'm going to request a motion to approve the agenda and allow the chair to move items.

[1:24] Sure, I move. We approve the agenda with Chair making necessary changes.

[1:27] 2nd.

[1:29] Madam Clerk, roll call, please.

[1:33] Commissioner Prather. Commissioner Sarah.

[1:35] Commissioner Chavez, Yes.

[1:37] Commissioner Wilson. Yes. Chair Fisher, Aye. Motion pass.

[1:40] Thank you.

[1:41] This is probably the best part of the whole meeting. We're going to have some.

[1:44] Service recognition.

[1:46] This morning.

[1:50] And.

[1:53] We do this basically every time we have the opportunity.

[1:57] Because it's important.

[1:59] That we recognize our employees.

[2:02] Who really make this county work?

[2:04] So the first one.

[2:06] It's Kelsey Guevara.

[2:08] See here.

[2:15] Very good.

[2:16] So Lincoln County service excellent award, one year of service.

[2:20] The following award is presented to Kelsey Guevara in recognition of your outstanding commitment.

[2:25] Service and invaluable contributions to the people of Lincoln County.

[2:29] New Mexico.

[2:30] Your dedication reflects the spirit and resilience.

[2:33] That define our community. Awarded this 15th day of September.

[2:36] 2026.

[2:37] Congratulations and thank you very much for being.

[2:48] The next one.

[2:50] Is for Miss Stephanie Warren.

[3:00] Lincoln County Service Excellence Award one year of service.

[3:03] The following award is presented to Stephanie Warren.

[3:07] In recognition of your outstanding commitment service.

[3:10] An invaluable contributions to the people of Lincoln County, New Mexico.

[3:14] Your dedication reflects the Spirit.

[3:16] In resilience that defined our community.

[3:18] Ordered this 15th day of September 2026. Congratulations.

[3:30] The next one's for.

[3:32] Miss Bethany Mark.

[3:40] We know there's always somebody in the background that keeps everything working if there is any one person you want to point out.

[3:48] Destiny.

[3:49] So Lincoln County Service Excellence Award, one year of service.

[3:52] The following award is presented to Miss Bethany Martin.

[3:56] In recognition of your outstanding commitment, service and invaluable contributions.

[4:00] To the people of Lincoln County, New Mexico.

[4:03] Your dedication reflects the Spirit.

[4:05] And resilience that define our community.

[4:07] Awarded the 15th day of September.

[4:09] 2026 Congratulations.

[4:17] Thank you.

[4:19] Now this is.

[4:21] Pretty amazing.

[4:24] So miss Amanda Vega through heel.

[4:28] Yeah.

[4:33] Now, as we all know, commissioners come and go.

[4:37] But the county still has to perform.

[4:40] And perform in an excellent way.

[4:42] And we depend on our.

[4:43] Our long standing.

[4:45] Talented.

[4:46] And dedicated workforce to do that.

[4:48] So Lincoln County Service Excellence Award, 20 years of service.

[4:53] The following award is presented to Miss Amanda Vega through Hero.

[4:57] In recognition of your outstanding commitment.

[5:00] Service and invaluable contributions to the people of Lincoln County.

[5:04] New Mexico, Uh.

[5:05] Your dedication reflects the spirit and resilience that define our community.

[5:09] I ordered this 15th day of September.

[5:11] 2026.

[5:23] I have to be undone.

[5:25] Miss Diane Shoemaker.

[5:30] Don't mind at all.

[5:36] Oh yes.

[5:38] For a minute there I didn't know.

[5:44] Again with.

[5:45] Diane Shoemaker.

[5:47] Has been with us for 20 years.

[5:49] And, umm.

[5:50] In those 20 years.

[5:52] Of course, there's been a lot of commissions.

[5:54] There's been a lot of county clerks. She has spent all 20 years of those years.

[5:57] In the county clerk's office.

[5:59] And that is a big accomplishment. She has been through at least 40.

[6:03] Plus elections, hundreds of thousands of recordings.

[6:07] She has been.

[6:09] Instrumental in.

[6:11] The books, the.

[6:12] Past books, getting them.

[6:14] Scanned and imaged into the system.

[6:16] Historical documents are becoming available.

[6:19] On our website for people to look at.

[6:21] And she has been.

[6:22] Tremendous in taking care of all that. So we have her certificate. We also have a.

[6:26] A little plaque that was made by.

[6:28] One of our employees.

[6:30] For her.

[6:31] So thank you for your service.

[6:43] OK. Thank you. Congratulations.

[6:52] Thank you again.

[6:53] From the Commission.

[6:56] And all the citizens of the county.

[7:02] So the next.

[7:04] Next event are public comments and announcements. This is going to be.

[7:09] A three minute, 3 minute time period.

[7:12] A limit for each person.

[7:14] And we ask that you.

[7:16] To the table state your name.

[7:18] And then?

[7:20] Tell us what you think, what your issues are.

[7:22] Anybody. Yeah.

[7:25] I've always got something.

[7:33] 3 minutes.

[7:40] Good morning, Chairman.

[7:41] Commissioners, David Vandenberg, Lincoln County Citizens.

[7:44] Continuing from last month's meeting, I want to speak about our civic duties and what our shared priorities should be. We are

[7:48] being watched by our citizens.

[7:51] Our peers, our families, and the world.

[7:53] What are they seeing?

[7:55] And these are the real value. Just because we are busy here today does not mean our work aligns with our foreign duties, as a

[7:58] reminder.

[8:02] Our duty is to the Constitution of the United States, the state of New Mexico. Those documents make clear that our

[8:05] responsibilities are to the people.

[8:09] So I ask is the work leading up to today focused on what is truly affecting all of us and is it focused on protecting the people?

[8:15] Are we discussing the national crisis that is undermining our government and the political failures that we see impact everyone of

[8:18] us?

[8:22] If we're not seeing these issues, taking them seriously and discussing plans with our citizens, then.

[8:26] What people will see is a group of leaders who failed at the number one job.

[8:31] As a body of leadership.

[8:32] Up for Lincoln County.

[8:34] I'd like to know your thoughts on the corruption in lawlessness our government has shown over the last 2010 or even the last five

[8:37] years.

[8:40] And while we have not addressed these matters directly with our county citizens, does anyone here share concern about the risk?

[8:46] Of a government drifting toward more communist, socialist and Islamic influences.

[8:51] Are we so absorbed in the work that the system expects us that we forget to stand up and do our true job for the people?

[8:57] The same device of tactics tearing the country apart have reached us here at home.

[9:01] Well, you're not free from that national angst.

[9:04] Elections alone will not fix this. We've allowed the system to drift far from the foundational rules that once set our country

[9:07] apart.

[9:10] You can see it.

[9:11] Do you talk about it with your friends and family? Do you hear the same concerns? And the question, why isn't someone doing

[9:14] something?

[9:17] I cannot cover every failure of government and its agencies today.

[9:21] Nor can I do a full historical review of how our government has forgotten to point.

[9:24] But that has gotten to this point by decades of misrepresentation.

[9:28] By corrupt actors and politicians on both sides.

[9:32] Failing to stand up for the Constitution, the people and the truth.

[9:36] But I ask each of you, do you also see them happening?

[9:40] Do you wonder why elected representatives are allowed to continue in a position when we all see.

[9:44] That the job they're doing and have done and how it does not meet the standards.

[9:48] Of our constitutional laws that protect the people.

[9:51] Let us agree on this. We expect our elected representatives at every level to be accountable. Their actions should benefit and

[9:55] protect the people from the very government we put in place.

[9:59] We're here for a purpose together at this time, to do something. Something our peers, family and friends, as well as our neighbors

[10:04] in every community are counting on. I'm here telling you what I expect of you and what you should be telling your elected

[10:08] representatives what you expect of them.

[10:12] That as sex, as in Sections 2, three and four of our State Constitution, all political power is vested in and derived from the

[10:16] people.

[10:19] The people have the soul and exclusive right to govern themselves, and we have the right.

[10:23] Natural, inherent, and the negligible rights of which we are supposed to enjoy, of defending life, liberty, property, and seeking

[10:27] and obtaining safety and happiness.

[10:32] That is our duty and that is our priority.

[10:34] Thank you.

[10:36] Thank you, Sir.

[10:40] Anyone else?

[10:42] Yes, ma'am.

[10:43] Please come forward.

[10:45] Counselor, they're not as organized as him, but I agree with organized.

[10:51] Thank you. I guess on the lively portion of the group you were speaking about.

[10:57] I wanted to talk about the.

[11:00] Cameras.

[11:01] Kenya Eckert.

[11:03] I don't know. I'm talking to you guys because you guys are doing the vote.

[11:06] I wanted to talk about the cameras that are on the.

[11:10] Agenda today that you guys are going to be I don't know if you voted for it or if it's already something that's going to be

[11:13] happening, but.

[11:17] I think that having like.

[11:18] All of our data and our daily lives.

[11:21] Catalogued and tracked by these flock cameras that needs to be addressed. I don't think that that giving up.

[11:27] Our liberty for a little bit of safety is a very good idea. I think that that's leading us towards the Communist China or the

[11:32] fascist state that that man was talking about.

[11:37] In Bernalillo County, they are dealing with.

[11:41] Audit trials and all kinds they've taken down their flock cameras and severed ties with the block safety because.

[11:48] Of all the data.

[11:50] Discrepancies and things that they've been dealing with so.

[11:53] And then on top of all the data collection that's happening from the cameras and all the storage that's happening, that goes into

[11:58] the whole data center stuff with.

[12:02] That's why there's data centers cropping up all over New Mexico to store our movements who are seeing what we're doing in 99% of

[12:07] that information has nothing to do with solving crimes, finding missing children or women or any of that type of stuff. It's

[12:11] actually just.

[12:16] Finding out what we're doing, our purchasing habits.

[12:19] And spying on us so.

[12:21] If we want to protect our water, which I always complain about and I want you guys to always be looking into, we need to not be

[12:27] spying on ourselves and keeping all that data in this information, you know, and it just seems very careless, so.

[12:36] That's basically all I really came to say. Also I don't know if the license plate readers is that.

[12:41] Part of the flock thing, but the ones that are in Ruidoso.

[12:44] The company that's connected to the.

[12:48] The machines.

[12:49] They don't even coincide with the citations that they're giving out to people. And the money is not even going anywhere to

[12:53] Ruidoso, it's going to Dallas, TX OR.

[12:58] Atlanta or other places. So I don't understand why those.

[13:02] Cameras really are like why we're utilizing that instead of just paying.

[13:06] Police or.

[13:35] So thank you guys. And I know you guys are all great people, so I'm sure you'll do the right thing. Anyways. Thank you.

[13:45] Anyone else?

[13:50] I'm Linda Waterbury.

[13:51] I'm from Kent.

[13:53] And I.

[13:55] Have a concern about a safety issue at the fairgrounds?

[13:58] They repaved it.

[14:00] Yay they.

[14:03] Fenced in.

[14:05] They made no accommodation.

[14:07] For all the pedestrian traffic.

[14:09] As you know, there's not enough parking in there.

[14:13] And most of the local Capitan residents walk.

[14:17] So between the residents.

[14:19] And all the outside parking that happens at the church, on the easements in the neighborhood, all those people are walking in.

[14:26] They are forced to walk down.

[14:28] Fairgrounds Rd.

[14:31] With trucks, With trailers.

[14:33] Horses.

[14:35] People coming and going.

[14:36] There is no sidewalk.

[14:38] There is no shoulder.

[14:39] There is a break.

[14:41] Ditch which someone fell in.

[14:44] A mother.

[14:45] Going over to.

[14:48] Take care of some stuff.

[14:51] Was pretty banged up.

[14:52] From falling in the ditch.

[14:54] Concerned about the truck going by?

[14:58] I know that Mayor Davalos brought this issue to the fair board.

[15:02] Before the 4th of July.

[15:04] Nothing happened.

[15:06] So I am asking.

[15:09] This Commission to please.

[15:11] Assign someone to at least look into.

[15:14] The situation.

[15:15] And actually it would be very easy to fix.

[15:18] In my opinion.

[15:20] If anyone's interested.

[15:21] I live across the street.

[15:23] This is why it's an issue.

[15:25] To me, I watch it when there's big events.

[15:29] I worry.

[15:30] With a little kid that's going to escape Mom's hand.

[15:34] And be under that truck tryer.

[15:36] Like that?

[15:38] Thank you.

[15:38] Thank you very much.

[15:45] Anyone else?

[15:52] OK.

[15:54] We'll move on then.

[15:55] The next.

[15:56] Event is a public combat.

[15:58] Comment by.

[16:00] Doctor Ray Sydell.

[16:03] Just come up, Sir.

[16:15] I'm Ray Seidel.

[16:20] And I want to thank.

[16:21] Everybody here.

[16:22] For allowing me to speak.

[16:24] I understand this is quite controversial.

[16:26] I understand that.

[16:28] And it seems today that.

[16:31] Everybody. Uh.

[16:32] Is concerned about our rights.

[16:34] So let's define the law.

[16:37] We're looking at the law that you, Sir.

[16:40] Got finally put up here on the wall.

[16:43] And you fought hard against the bureaucrats that didn't want that.

[16:46] So I thank you and I applaud you.

[16:50] The 10 commandments.

[16:52] By God.

[16:53] Is the first thing that we have to.

[16:55] Govern ourselves by.

[16:57] Then we need to follow.

[17:00] Declaration of Independence.

[17:02] What's the Declaration independence do for us?

[17:06] That gives us.

[17:08] The rights that God.

[17:10] Gave us.

[17:12] To operate.

[17:13] In this world with each other.

[17:17] So this is where we get our rights from.

[17:20] From God and it was redefined here.

[17:24] Then we go to the Constitution. What does the Constitution do?

[17:28] Our rights don't come from the Constitution.

[17:31] The Constitution gives us the ability to defend ourselves against tyrants, which we're addressing today.

[17:39] OK if you're not.

[17:42] Following these rules and there's one document missing.

[17:46] We should have the New Mexico Constitution up here.

[17:49] And it's not here.

[17:50] So I would expect we have that up there by the next round. Is that a good thing?

[17:56] I think so.

[17:57] OK, that.

[17:59] Now is.

[18:00] The law.

[18:02] That's what's defined as a law.

[18:05] That's what's to govern us.

[18:07] That's what's to make us all get along and be able to have a happy.

[18:12] Normal, uh.

[18:13] Good life.

[18:15] With everybody.

[18:16] Now when we get into statutes.

[18:20] We get into rules, we get into regulations.

[18:23] You guys.

[18:25] And I know three of you very well.

[18:27] You guys have become creatures.

[18:30] Of statutes.

[18:32] Statutes are not for.

[18:34] The general public.

[18:36] Not for citizens.

[18:37] And that for people.

[18:39] That control the government now.

[18:42] If we apply the New Mexico Constitution, which was eloquently done.

[18:46] By my buddy here.

[18:49] I'm going to go over those again.

[18:52] We are a popular sovereign.

[18:55] State umm.

[18:56] And people do not believe in sovereignty within the government.

[19:01] Why is that?

[19:03] Because you can't govern us, you can't change my behavior, you can't tell me what to do or not to do.

[19:11] OK, that's not allowed.

[19:13] And how do I know that?

[19:15] Article 2.

[19:17] Section 2.

[19:18] Popular sovereignty.

[19:20] New Mexico Constitution.

[19:22] All political power is invested in and derived from the people.

[19:27] That's us.

[19:28] OK, that means.

[19:32] Your ability to rule or govern.

[19:35] Or take care of us.

[19:36] Comes from.

[19:38] If we don't agree.

[19:40] You don't have any power to do such.

[19:43] Now all government.

[19:45] Of right.

[19:47] Originates from the people.

[19:51] Originates from the people.

[19:54] And is founded upon their will.

[19:57] And is instituted solely.

[20:00] For their good, that means us.

[20:04] That now makes you servants.

[20:06] That means you have to serve us.

[20:09] You can't talk down to us.

[20:11] You cannot give us.

[20:14] A bunch of crap.

[20:15] OK, we don't come in here looking for anything other than.

[20:21] Getting along.

[20:24] That's your job.

[20:26] That's what we elected you for.

[20:28] Anything that exceeds that.

[20:31] Is not allowed.

[20:34] Now how do I know that I'm a sovereign?

[20:37] And sovereignty is real.

[20:39] Again, the New Mexico Constitution makes it very clear under Article 2.

[20:44] Section 3.

[20:47] The right of self government.

[20:50] The people of the state have the soul and exclusive right to govern themselves as a free.

[20:56] Sovereign and independent state.

[20:59] Now does that mean?

[21:01] Rules, regulations and statutes govern me.

[21:05] Absolutely not.

[21:07] Doesn't govern anybody.

[21:10] Now we can go to the US.

[21:15] Constitution.

[21:17] And we can define that even further. All you have to do is go to the 7th Amendment.

[21:22] The 7th Amendment guarantees.

[21:24] Common law.

[21:27] Now.

[21:29] Our law officials.

[21:31] And government officials.

[21:33] Don't like hearing that?

[21:35] And the reason why is.

[21:37] Because, uh.

[21:39] One maxim within the.

[21:43] Realm of common law is.

[21:45] You can't have a crime.

[21:47] Without.

[21:48] An individual that has been harmed.

[21:54] Now I I hate to take up speeding tickets, but it's an easy way to look at this.

[22:00] If I'm over.

[22:02] The speed limit by 5 miles an hour. There's a statute that says.

[22:08] OK, now under common law we have to have an injured party in order.

[22:14] For anything to be illegal.

[22:16] Was anybody injured by a speeding ticket?

[22:22] There cannot be any enforcement.

[22:25] Under the law.

[22:26] And the missing 1 which is the New Mexico.

[22:29] Constitution.

[22:34] Now, given all of this.

[22:36] And what we've been talking about here.

[22:39] If we're not following the law and.

[22:42] Forcing statutory law etc.

[22:46] To the harm of a citizen.

[22:49] That's treason.

[22:51] That's treason under the US.

[22:53] And the New Mexico Constitution.

[22:56] And treason against the State shall consist only in levying war against it.

[23:02] Now that.

[23:04] Does not mean kinetic.

[23:07] OK, so if we're warring against the Constitution.

[23:12] That's treason.

[23:13] Adhering to its enemies.

[23:16] Or given them.

[23:18] Aid and comfort.

[23:19] No person shall be convicted of treason unless of.

[23:24] Less on testimony of two witnesses.

[23:27] To the same overt act.

[23:29] Or on confession in open court.

[23:33] Now.

[23:34] Given all that.

[23:36] That we understand.

[23:37] And I hopefully I was able to do that, that everybody understands that.

[23:41] We now have statutes.

[23:44] Statutes that govern.

[23:46] The people.

[23:48] That are in power.

[23:50] To govern.

[23:51] You get to govern yourselves.

[23:54] OK, the rest of the laws.

[23:56] We comply with.

[23:58] How do we control these individuals? Well, I'm going to first start off with the county Commission.

[24:04] And what your responsibilities are.

[24:06] And this is per New Mexico statutes.

[24:10] And I asked you guys to read this and know.

[24:13] What I'm talking about last time I was here.

[24:16] Did anybody look at chapter 10?

[24:18] Yes, you did.

[24:21] Great. Now let's talk about what your responsibilities are as commissioners.

[24:27] This is under New Mexico statute 10-2-12.

[24:32] Insufficient bonds of the county or precinct officers.

[24:36] New bond requirements in federal to provide.

[24:39] Procedure and decree of vacancy by.

[24:43] The courts.

[24:45] OK, you have a much.

[24:47] Bigger job.

[24:49] To oversee.

[24:51] Everybody.

[24:52] That affect me.

[24:54] And every citizen in this county.

[24:57] And we're talking about bonds, and I'm going to come back here in a minute here and talk about bonds.

[25:05] OK. And the requirements for the bonds?

[25:08] Your job as county commissioner.

[25:10] And it doesn't say May, and it doesn't say.

[25:13] If you like it says, you shall.

[25:16] OK, it is.

[25:17] It shall.

[25:19] Be the duty the county Commission of each county.

[25:22] At every regular meeting thereof.

[25:25] On the first day of each meeting to examine.

[25:28] And to inquire into the insufficient or the sufficiency of all.

[25:33] Official bonds given.

[25:35] Or to be given by any county or precinct officers as required by law.

[25:42] And it.

[25:43] It shall appear that anyone.

[25:46] Or more of these securities?

[25:49] On the official bond of any county officer has.

[25:53] Or have been removed from the county.

[25:55] Died or become insolvent.

[25:57] Or doubtful.

[25:59] Insolvency, he said.

[26:01] Kimani Kiss the said board of county commissioners shall.

[26:06] Caused such county or precinct officers to be summoned to appear.

[26:11] That's huge.

[26:13] That's huge.

[26:15] How many of you have a bond?

[26:18] Anybody here?

[26:22] You've got.

[26:23] OK. Can you present that next meeting?

[26:27] For us.

[26:28] It's required right here in law.

[26:30] OK.

[26:32] Now, umm.

[26:33] Once we see this.

[26:35] Then the county Commission has to act.

[26:38] And if you've read.

[26:41] Chapter 10.

[26:43] It's your responsibility.

[26:45] To we the people.

[26:46] Not use a county.

[26:48] OK.

[26:50] Now, given that.

[26:53] Is this really?

[26:55] A bond, an issue here that we should be talking about today.

[26:59] How do we enforce?

[27:01] What we need to enforce?

[27:03] OK, again, I'm going to.

[27:06] Quote Mexico statute and this one's.

[27:11] 10-2-1.

[27:14] And it's entitled.

[27:16] Recording, uh.

[27:17] As a prerequisite to discharging duties of the office.

[27:23] Each and every person.

[27:25] Who may herein be elected or appointed to an office?

[27:28] In this state, required by law to give a bond.

[27:31] Shall file the same.

[27:34] For record, before entering upon.

[27:38] The discharge of the duty of that office.

[27:42] So if you haven't.

[27:44] File the bond.

[27:46] Guess what?

[27:48] You don't have any.

[27:50] Rights to be here.

[27:52] We also talking about if you've been serving.

[27:56] And have been paid.

[27:58] You're going to owe us.

[28:00] We the.

[28:01] That salary?

[28:03] That you were.

[28:04] Derived from without meeting this.

[28:07] Prerequisite.

[28:11] Now within the county.

[28:13] The county.

[28:15] Precinct officers.

[28:16] Have to record.

[28:18] And file their.

[28:20] Bonds.

[28:23] The county clerk's office.

[28:25] And it's to be recorded.

[28:28] Of official bonds.

[28:30] And the bond shall be filed and kept in the office of the county clerk's office.

[28:36] And I've been assured that's been done. Is that correct?

[28:41] OK.

[28:44] Let's talk about bonds.

[28:47] We know that it's required.

[28:49] And if it hasn't been done, it hasn't been filed.

[28:53] We have people here that are.

[28:55] Can be charged with malfeasance.

[28:57] Do we want to do that?

[28:59] No, we want it corrected.

[29:01] But you have to understand.

[29:04] That this is we the People.

[29:06] Not you, the government.

[29:08] One of the things that the government likes to do.

[29:12] Is put out rules and regulations.

[29:15] For us, but not them.

[29:18] Chapter 10.

[29:20] In the New Mexico statutes is huge.

[29:24] This is how we enforce.

[29:26] You guys to do your job?

[29:29] And that means?

[29:30] Taking care of the citizen.

[29:33] Not the government.

[29:37] Now.

[29:38] Under uh.

[29:39] Chapter 10.

[29:41] 4.

[29:43] Cause for removal of local officials.

[29:46] It goes into everything that.

[29:49] Anybody can be removed by.

[29:52] Under this statute.

[29:56] First thing, conviction of a felony.

[29:58] Or of any misdemeanor involving moral.

[30:03] Now as an attorney.

[30:05] Representing our.

[30:08] People here.

[30:10] You understand what turpitude is? Is that not right, ma'am?

[30:13] Interpreted, you can charge anything.

[30:16] If I don't like the way you comb your hair.

[30:18] That can fall under turpitude.

[30:19] So that's.

[30:20] Huge.

[30:23] B Failure or neglect to refuse or.

[30:28] Failure or neglect.

[30:30] Or refusal to discharge the duties of the office.

[30:33] Or failure or neglect.

[30:35] Or refusal to discharge any duty.

[30:38] That you have to do for your job.

[30:42] Knowingly.

[30:43] And demanding or receiving illegal fees.

[30:47] As an officer.

[30:50] Fees would be a tax.

[30:51] Am I right?

[30:54] Now, we can get into taxation right now, but I can tell you property tax is illegal.

[31:00] And it was made illegal.

[31:03] Two years ago when we passed.

[31:05] The veterans.

[31:08] Appropriate Bill.

[31:10] For no.

[31:11] Property tax or based on their percentage.

[31:14] If there's one veteran not paying 100% of his taxes.

[31:19] Guess what? Under the 14th Amendment.

[31:21] Of the United States.

[31:23] All laws are to be enforced.

[31:25] Equally, umm.

[31:27] Nobody owes property tax.

[31:29] That means.

[31:32] You have created yourself an issue here.

[31:36] That you can be charged.

[31:38] You are now duly noted.

[31:41] And you are now willful.

[31:43] Going forward.

[31:46] OK. Gross and competency.

[31:48] Or negligence and discharge in the duties of your office.

[31:54] I can go on.

[31:55] The rest of this?

[31:57] Section between.

[32:00] 4-24 dash.

[32:03] 12 talks about.

[32:05] How we prosecute.

[32:08] Elected officials.

[32:09] And government employees.

[32:18] OK, security.

[32:20] Why do we have security bonds?

[32:24] Do you know?

[32:25] I think you're going to tell us.

[32:27] I am but you should know OK security bond is if.

[32:32] The citizen has an issue.

[32:36] With an elected official or a public servant.

[32:39] That is not doing their job.

[32:41] And I just named a few of them.

[32:45] We can take him to court.

[32:46] Or we can call their bond in.

[32:49] Now, this is much like a bond that you're going to have on somebody that's doing construction at your property.

[32:56] If he does not do a good job.

[32:58] Do I take them to court?

[33:00] Burdoy call his bond.

[33:02] You have either option.

[33:04] Now security bond is not the same as.

[33:09] It's not what you think it is.

[33:12] A surety bond.

[33:14] Is really a surety?

[33:16] And.

[33:17] They like to try to put them together to confuse us.

[33:20] Is surety.

[33:23] As insurance.

[33:24] OK. It's an insurance that is typically taken care of.

[33:29] By a company you know.

[33:31] That will.

[33:33] Take a fee.

[33:34] In order to cover.

[33:36] Any bad?

[33:37] Outcomes, uh.

[33:38] OK, a bond.

[33:40] Is the cover that individual?

[33:43] That might have.

[33:46] An issue and that company, the 30, will pay that bond out.

[33:52] Based on.

[33:53] Filing by an individual that was harmed.

[33:58] Or I'll have a First Amendment right violation, so that's fine.

[34:04] That's fine.

[34:05] You're good, you're good.

[34:08] So this now.

[34:10] You can see.

[34:11] Government not serving the people.

[34:14] Thank you.

[34:15] You, you, you chimed in just right.

[34:18] So.

[34:19] Right now.

[34:21] I'm not going to violate.

[34:23] This gentleman's.

[34:25] Supposed power.

[34:28] I'm going to say thank you.

[34:30] I hope everybody understands what we're trying to do here.

[34:34] I love the fact that somebody understands what's going on with the Flock cameras.

[34:39] I hope.

[34:41] Sheriff, you listen to us.

[34:43] I hope that you understand.

[34:45] I believe you're a Goodman.

[34:47] And I know you'll do the right thing.

[34:50] I thank you all.

[34:52] And you guys have a blessed day.

[35:00] All right. Thank you, Sir.

[35:03] For me, did I stand or my 20 minutes OK?

[35:07] By two minutes.

[35:10] Thank you very much.

[35:13] There's much to say here.

[35:16] I will only say this.

[35:21] I guarantee you that the people that sit up here.

[35:24] Honestly.

[35:26] Feel like they are doing the work of the people.

[35:31] That's how we feel.

[35:34] Some of these issues, most of the issues that were discussed, are outside of our purview.

[35:39] We would like for it to be.

[35:40] Different, uh.

[35:42] But we're busy.

[35:43] Taking care of the day-to-day issues.

[35:46] The problem, the problem that I see, if you look at the amount of people who vote.

[35:51] Every year at our elections, whether it's.

[35:53] Primaries or whether it's midterms?

[35:57] Or regular elections.

[35:58] It's a very small part of the eligible voters.

[36:02] We have the power as voters.

[36:05] To put people in there.

[36:06] That are.

[36:07] That believe the things that.

[36:09] That were just spoken about.

[36:11] Either at the federal level or the state level.

[36:14] Even at the county level.

[36:17] But I believe the people that you have here at the county level.

[36:19] They're doing the best they can.

[36:21] So that being said, I took took.

[36:24] Chairman's privilege for that.

[36:27] And I think it only took about a minute and 1/2.

[36:30] The next.

[36:32] Issue with public input or discussion.

[36:35] And Sheriff Michael Wood is going to talk about.

[36:39] And perhaps you can talk about.

[36:41] Block and what your decision's already been on that.

[36:44] Sheriff, you'll come up. We appreciate it.

[36:50] Thank you, Chairman Fisher Commission, Michael Wood, your Lincoln County Sheriff.

[36:54] I can't talk much about flock.

[36:56] I can't because I've decided.

[36:58] Some time ago. We're just not going to use that system.

[37:01] I know it's readily available and I know that there are peace officers and agencies all over this country that are using them with

[37:04] great success.

[37:10] But we're not using.

[37:11] For several reasons, I'm not.

[37:13] I'm not 100% comfortable yet and I don't, I guess I'm a little bit ignorant on it. It's technology, right? I mean, I can.

[37:19] Figure out to some degree with the help of my granddaughter, how my cell phone works, but I'm not a real technical.

[37:25] Person. And so I'm not I'm not.

[37:27] I'm not real comfortable with when I hear about the flight system itself and its storage.

[37:32] Abilities.

[37:33] To Doctor Seidel's point, we we are a nation of laws. We decided we would be that many, many, many years ago. We came together as

[37:37] a society and decided.

[37:42] We would be a nation of laws and.

[37:44] I think to some degree they're some of the statutes you refer to, the speeding, that kind of thing. Those things are simply

[37:49] necessary so that everybody stays safe in the story. It's not.

[37:55] A county such an agency such as my own, we were. We are not a revenue generating agency.

[38:00] Whatsoever.

[38:01] My office brings in no money.

[38:03] On traffic citations, we get no money for court costs and fines. Your municipalities, that's a different story.

[38:10] But instead of New Mexico counties do not receive.

[38:13] We do not generate any money. The only money that comes into my office is if.

[38:18] Joe wants to sue.

[38:19] Jill and initiation of an action in court is presented one of the first steps in that proceeding is the service of process right

[38:23] so.

[38:28] If Jill wants to serve Bob or whatever the names were, I'm just missing a while ago.

[38:31] They'll bring those documents into me and I get a $42.00 service fee.

[38:35] You know it's supposed to pay for fuel because it's a civil action.

[38:38] Right. It's not a criminal action. It's not.

[38:41] It doesn't necessarily fall under the half tooth.

[38:44] I can choose to sue to serve those. I can choose not to. But for 42 bucks?

[38:48] That's the only revenue that comes into my office. So, so speed cameras, we don't have them. Not going to have them. They're not.

[38:54] That's the villages deal, their prerogative, so I'll speak to that part. But in terms of flock?

[38:59] Cameras and that specific program and that software and that that technology, I don't know enough about it.

[39:06] To be comfortable with it, because while we are a nation of laws and we all agree on that, everybody does.

[39:11] Most everybody here, most everybody here followed the speed limit when they came down here today.

[39:16] Most everybody didn't roll the stop sign at Eight Mile. Most everybody.

[39:21] Stood by that I also have to weigh.

[39:24] The constitutionality of some of those laws as your County Sheriff.

[39:28] Your very first and last line of defense.

[39:32] It isn't just my job to pluck the bad guy off of the street.

[39:35] Or go take a report when you hit a deer. It's also my job to make sure.

[39:40] That there isn't an infringement.

[39:42] Upon you by a government.

[39:44] Whether it be local?

[39:45] Municipal, federal, whatever that is the shirt, that is the sheriff's job.

[39:50] Is to make sure that there isn't an overview.

[39:53] And so in terms of the flux system, I don't know enough about it to be comfortable with it. And I asked myself sometimes when I

[39:56] look at these.

[40:00] Miss Eckert mentioned data centers. I have not personally been to a data center.

[40:05] I've seen pictures of them. I've seen them on the news. I know some folks who.

[40:08] Who helped construct some of these things? And they're massive.

[40:12] I mean, these things take up.

[40:14] The footprint on them is incredible. Acres and acres is what I'm being told.

[40:19] Well, if that's what's already necessary.

[40:21] Just to store the data that we are.

[40:23] Gathering now I know. How's the difference going to sustain itself? You're gonna have to continue to build these things, if that.

[40:29] If just one of those things is what's necessary.

[40:32] To store the data that's being collected And how is it ever going to sustain itself?

[40:36] But the question for me is and I lose, trust me, I lose sleep over this is.

[40:41] What is the need?

[40:42] To store long term.

[40:45] M's Eckert's license plate.

[40:47] Why? I don't understand that?

[40:49] Why are you going? What? What is the purpose of that?

[40:52] Historical for a limited amount of time, historical data is in my business, which is taking the bad guy off the street. You have

[40:56] to admit that.

[41:00] When your home is broken into and Grandma's wedding ring is stolen.

[41:04] Or your kiddos kidnapped or whatever the offense is. It's my job to come in and help mitigate that.

[41:09] It's my job to come in and try to recover your stuff and make sure you.

[41:13] You are.

[41:14] Afforded an opportunity at justice.

[41:16] That's my job.

[41:18] All right, so.

[41:20] When I think about these data centers, I just really wonder how. How is it ever going to sustain itself?

[41:25] But as a lawman, as someone who's.

[41:27] In charge and responsible for taking and making cases so that.

[41:31] Bills wife was killed by a drunk driver.

[41:35] And he needs closure and justice. That's just.

[41:38] That's my job.

[41:40] So a short.

[41:41] Storage of some of this information and.

[41:44] In the system that is already approved and I'll just be.

[41:47] I think in the last 5 1/2 years as your County Sheriff up.

[41:50] Got a reputation of.

[41:52] A couple of things. One, I have trouble sometimes keeping my mouth shut.

[41:56] #2 I don't have a problem telling you how I think, how it is and how I feel.

[42:00] I also don't have a problem telling you some of the things I don't want to have to tell you.

[42:05] Trust me, I've had to make Facebook posts and come out publicly.

[42:08] On some things that were detrimental to.

[42:11] The the reputation and.

[42:15] And efficiency of my agency.

[42:18] But I tell these guys, this is 32 years I've been doing this, and I was blessed to have had some very good mentors and teachers.

[42:25] Individuals who looked up from my success, they said, Mike, always remember and I tell these guys.

[42:29] That worked for me, my support staff and all of my subordinates.

[42:34] Before we can effectively.

[42:35] Police you. We must police ourselves.

[42:39] Period. And I think there's an.

[42:41] There's an assumption.

[42:43] Or even a premise sometimes that well.

[42:45] I'm I wear this so I'm above the law.

[42:48] I don't have to abide by its speed, so I don't have to.

[42:52] I'm above that. That is not how I feel. That's not how I operate.

[42:56] In the story, I think I've set a reputation for that. I hold mine accountable first.

[43:04] Well, he comes down to it.

[43:07] It's not an easy job balancing the laws that we've all agreed to live under.

[43:11] And what's constitutional?

[43:13] So in terms of flock, I have some questions about the constitutionality of it.

[43:18] I will tell you that those can't that system, the roadside cameras that you see.

[43:22] Have been in this county for years.

[43:25] They've been here for years and.

[43:26] Years. There's 2 now.

[43:29] In the village.

[43:30] Outside of the reservation on US 70, those are not ours.

[43:34] We not all those.

[43:35] We don't have any.

[43:37] For years there were two of them in Capitan.

[43:40] Then folks were going past them and never even noticed.

[43:42] I was guilty of that. I lived down there and didn't even know they were there.

[43:46] And not one time.

[43:48] Not once did I ever receive any reports.

[43:51] Of anyone being victimized.

[43:53] Or any sort of weaponization of that.

[43:56] Nonetheless, it doesn't take away from the fact that I'm a little uncomfortable with the storage part of it.

[44:02] I can't speak the plot because I'm not using it. Not going to.

[44:05] We do have a license plate reader.

[44:08] System that has been approved by this Commission, based upon the information I brought to them, I will, I will be accountable for

[44:11] my very own actions.

[44:16] They did approve it.

[44:18] They are not in use.

[44:20] They're not even equipped. They're not even a.

[44:23] Installed.

[44:24] But the ones I've chosen.

[44:26] Came as part of a package of the body Cam.

[44:29] Requirement the state statute.

[44:32] And when it comes to body cams, I've been in this business over 3 decades.

[44:35] In the beginning there was no such thing. We didn't even have cell phones.

[44:39] But then is is technology above some of the agencies were going to the body cams and now I swear by them I will not.

[44:45] Ever not have those?

[44:47] They make you a better peace officer.

[44:49] They dispute false claims.

[44:52] Allegations.

[44:53] What better evidence than to put you be able to put yourself at the scene?

[44:58] Yeah, yeah, you're devoid of some of the emotion and the smells and I have.

[45:01] Some of those things that society is generally largely guarded from.

[45:05] But it gives you an idea what actually happened, so I'll never get away from that.

[45:08] But the system we have is a license plate reader.

[45:12] Again, it has not been implemented.

[45:14] I'm not comfortable yet pulling the trigger on it. We're not using it.

[45:18] But I have it available.

[45:20] It wasn't.

[45:21] An additional cost, the system we have is actually a vehicle mounted system where if I get behind Miss Eckert's vehicle, it looks

[45:24] at her plate.

[45:28] In the vehicle only.

[45:30] All right, this thing does not track dog.

[45:33] What are those chips?

[45:35] Doesn't practice chip, it doesn't track the cell phone you.

[45:38] It looks at the car.

[45:40] All right, that's it in the plate.

[45:42] Now, if a law enforcement agency has entered.

[45:45] ABC123 out of the state of Virginia as.

[45:48] Possibly being operated by a homicidal subject or a kidnapped suspect or.

[45:53] Was seen leaving the the scene of a burglary or robbery.

[45:57] You need a lock in on that. It'll take its photograph, it'll store that information and immediately alert the agency that entered

[46:00] it.

[46:04] And then that information is passed on.

[46:07] But in short.

[46:08] The system we have is my Axon.

[46:11] And it just again, it simply looks at the vehicle and the plate.

[46:15] We can set parameters on that. Every bit of that information we would own, have care, custody, and control of it is not sent to a

[46:19] data center.

[46:23] It is not sent to the federal government. It is not. We own every bit of that.

[46:27] None of it goes anywhere.

[46:30] There's still an awful lot about it.

[46:32] That I don't understand because this technology.

[46:35] But in talking to some of my colleagues all over this country.

[46:39] They're swearing by it.

[46:40] I was able to actually get this kiddo back. I was able to actually solve this crime, get this guy up the street.

[46:45] Forget it.

[46:47] And that's all good stuff.

[46:48] When your job is done down the lawn the the lawn.

[46:51] Breaker.

[46:52] With the constitutionality is the part I'm getting hung up on.

[46:56] So I want this.

[46:58] Entire county and every time, I've said it before, when I address this Commission, this council of commissioners.

[47:03] In these chambers, I address everybody in this county.

[47:06] This is the venue for it.

[47:08] Social media is not.

[47:10] I will not make a decision.

[47:11] On this or anything else based on social media will not do that.

[47:15] I refuse to do it.

[47:16] I will not be pressured, influenced, threatened.

[47:18] Intimidate. I simply won't do it.

[47:21] So I fought for two months to get this on the agenda.

[47:24] In hopes that I would hear some things and thank you.

[47:27] The secret for coming out and saying something about this, I appreciate. I need that.

[47:31] That will be used to.

[47:33] By me to make my decision ultimately whether or not to implement this technology or not do.

[47:38] And how to set the parameters so that I can guarantee?

[47:42] You're nobody's rights are being infringed upon.

[47:45] So with that all being said.

[47:48] Some of the rumors are again.

[47:50] This the more you pass by these things.

[47:53] A lot of color changes and alerts somebody that frequently, yeah.

[47:57] None of that's true.

[47:58] That is not what.

[48:01] I would allow who to discount.

[48:02] I wouldn't.

[48:04] I don't feel any for that so.

[48:05] That being said, Mr. Chairman, I.

[48:08] Pretend to try and run your your Commission meeting.

[48:12] But if you were inclined to allow folks to ask questions, I'd be glad to address them.

[48:17] Yes, Sir, I think, I think it's appropriate. We have that on the agenda anyway. Very good.

[48:20] So if someone does have a question, we ask that you come up.

[48:23] To the table.

[48:24] Identify who you are and then state your question.

[48:27] And the reason for that is to make sure that people that are.

[48:30] Online can hear and know.

[48:33] And we also have it on record, so.

[48:35] Please doc, come on up.

[48:41] Looking at our Constitution.

[48:44] Ray Sydell, you're welcome.

[48:48] What don't we understand about You need a warrant?

[48:51] For a search.

[48:53] Well, here's something everybody keeps losing.

[48:55] Perspective on it.

[48:57] And again.

[48:58] The agenda item, and this is exactly what they are called.

[49:01] Automated automatic license plate readers.

[49:04] Let me tell you something the moment you occupy a motor vehicle.

[49:08] And you enter that motor vehicle upon public access roads that is funded.

[49:14] By you, By every single one of us in here.

[49:16] The rules change.

[49:18] Right. No. Now listen, you're good. You've asked a question if you're going to get an answer.

[49:24] We're going to handle this in an answer. We're not having a debate.

[49:28] Thank you.

[49:30] The interior of that vehicle.

[49:32] Is an extension of ones home.

[49:34] We all agreed on that, right?

[49:36] I'm not going to be pulled over by nobody.

[49:38] And told because you're driving a vehicle, I get to search it.

[49:41] Not gonna happen.

[49:42] It requires reasonable suspicion.

[49:45] Probable cause.

[49:46] A search warrant in this state and in this county, in this district.

[49:50] We do not search vehicles.

[49:52] Based on consent.

[49:55] It's a search warrant.

[49:57] In store.

[49:58] The moment you enter that vehicle onto a public access roadway and you travel down that roadway and you share that roadway.

[50:05] With my aging parents.

[50:07] My 18 year old granddaughter who's now driving.

[50:10] Everybody else's aunts, uncles, friends and loved ones.

[50:15] That the rules are different.

[50:17] Anything that goes on in public view that anybody can see is pretty much fair game for recording.

[50:23] Monitoring.

[50:24] Story of data.

[50:26] It's different.

[50:28] You don't have a reasonable expectation.

[50:30] To the our privacy to the outside of that vehicle.

[50:33] Only the interior of that vehicle.

[50:36] So.

[50:37] When you're driving down the road and your license plate.

[50:39] There's something else you need to remember.

[50:41] And keep in mind you don't own your license plate.

[50:45] That license plate is rented.

[50:47] To you.

[50:48] By the state of New Mexico, which is US.

[50:50] All of us come together at some point in time and agreed.

[50:53] You will have your vehicle registered.

[50:55] OK, you will have it insured.

[50:57] You it will be operated only by someone with a valid driver's license.

[51:02] This whole and I've seen a bunch of these videos on.

[51:04] On social media.

[51:05] This garbage where so and so gets pulled over because there's no plate. Well, I don't have to have one.

[51:10] I'm traveling.

[51:12] No, you're driving a motor vehicle.

[51:14] And you're sharing the roadway with my folks, my loved ones.

[51:18] Everybody else's.

[51:19] They're following the rules.

[51:22] If they hit somebody.

[51:23] And it's their fault.

[51:25] Their insurance premiums are going to go up because they're going to take care of it, but here I am. I'm a sovereign citizen or

[51:28] whatever they call themselves.

[51:31] I don't have to have any of that stuff.

[51:33] I've seen it.

[51:34] Over and over and over again.

[51:37] The minute you enter onto a public access roadway that we allow you to drive on.

[51:42] The things things gotta change, so the capturing of an image.

[51:46] Of Doctor Seidel's vehicle going down the road.

[51:49] There's no reason.

[51:51] There's nothing unconstitutional about that, and there's also.

[51:55] Nothing that requires search work.

[51:57] It's what you do with that information.

[52:00] That counts and so capturing the image.

[52:02] Looking at that license plate.

[52:04] That's something we do every single day. We run plates every single day.

[52:08] That's all this system does.

[52:10] It does the very same thing.

[52:11] And only captures that.

[52:13] And notifies us of that.

[52:15] If a bona fide reason has been.

[52:18] Provided and that information is entered into the computer. So I'm glad you asked that question. That clears all that up.

[52:24] I understand the misconceptions.

[52:26] You don't have a right to drive down the road.

[52:29] In the story.

[52:31] You have a privilege.

[52:32] You were allowed to do that.

[52:34] By everybody here.

[52:35] Not by this governing body.

[52:37] Not by the sheriff.

[52:40] Not by the governor.

[52:41] But by everybody sitting here.

[52:43] Through the laws passed.

[52:45] By folks that we put in office to do.

[52:48] I'll give you very, very brief.

[52:52] Have to move on, let anybody else.

[52:54] I should have the same amount of time.

[52:56] I don't need it.

[52:58] But don't restrict me.

[52:59] OK.

[53:00] You do not have that privilege.

[53:02] To the Chairman's point.

[53:04] The First Amendment.

[53:05] Is sacred. I mean that does it protects.

[53:07] That us from the government overreach allows us to speak.

[53:11] But it doesn't mean that government is not a permitted to say.

[53:14] Some rules when they're conducting business on behalf of everybody here.

[53:19] So yeah, you have a first minute, right? Absolutely.

[53:21] But you got to also.

[53:23] Have some exercise, a little decorum.

[53:25] And follow the rules set here because.

[53:27] What these good folks right here are doing today.

[53:29] Isn't in the interest of.

[53:31] Stunning interest of Dockside L.

[53:33] Or tell me a better.

[53:35] It's in the interest of everybody sitting.

[53:37] So yeah, you got a First Amendment.

[53:38] But do his point.

[53:40] As chairman.

[53:41] We follow a set of rules.

[53:43] That keeps things orderly, so.

[53:45] I don't believe for a second you're right to be violated.

[53:49] Is it my turn? Absolutely. OK, thank you. Let's talk about.

[53:53] Your oath, it's too.

[53:55] The Constitution.

[53:56] The laws that we talk about, everything else.

[54:00] Is not the law.

[54:01] That includes statutes.

[54:03] Now this is made very clear in the Constitution.

[54:06] Of New Mexico and I will read this to you again.

[54:10] The right of self governance.

[54:12] The people of the state have the soul and exclusive right to govern themselves as free.

[54:19] Sovereign.

[54:20] And independent state.

[54:23] Now what don't you understand about that?

[54:26] In context with that you just pulled.

[54:29] All of us.

[54:30] Thank you. Thank you, Doctor Seidel. Yeah, yeah, of course. You have a good day, Sir.

[54:35] You're a tyrant.

[54:37] Thank you.

[54:40] Yes, ma'am.

[54:46] Eckert.

[54:47] OK. So my questions about how advanced are the cameras, I know they're just looking at the license plates.

[54:54] But you know how, like, hackers can get into our computers and spy on us through our this or that? You know, certain people have

[54:58] like, better technology.

[55:02] Skills than we do.

[55:04] Can this technology be utilized to like look in the car or look at other places and you, you know, like how advanced are the

[55:09] order?

[55:15] How advanced are the cameras? And then like, say, if you have a contract with these people?

[55:21] What if there's upgrades like in the future, like say we agree to this now for just the license plate in the future we have this

[55:27] contract and it's like now expanding it to here or expanding it into the windows or to look.

[55:33] Other different ways, like how advanced are the cameras basically is what and what they're looking at.

[55:38] And can they be hacked by hackers and other people with better skills? China, people with nefarious ideas like, you know, just.

[55:46] Your own agents that want to do bad stuff or stalk or do things like that? Like can they be utilized for other purposes, not just

[55:50] looking straight?

[55:56] That's part of the question I have. That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on any of this. That's why I backed away from Flock is

[56:00] because I don't know.

[56:03] I mean I.

[56:04] Here's what I can equate it to.

[56:06] The body Cam system that we use.

[56:08] All right that we just purchased and have been you even the system we had before that it stores when I walk into efforts for

[56:13] living room because her gate got hit.

[56:18] And you and I are talking. Everything you tell me is on.

[56:21] Look up camera right?

[56:22] That includes your date of birth.

[56:24] Your Social Security all of the required fields necessary.

[56:27] For your insurance company to recognize you need.

[56:31] Right, all that stuff is stored on that.

[56:33] And then the deputies bring their camera and they dock it.

[56:36] And it is sent into a storage system that's hackable by all means. I I mean I think you can.

[56:41] Put up firewalls all day long but I I'm not the guy that would want to try to do it. I don't know anything about it but.

[56:47] I get what you're saying, so that's another question I have, but I don't think it's any different than that.

[56:51] I'm actually going into your living room when you call for service and getting your personal information. We're taking images of

[56:55] the kiddos.

[56:58] Sitting in your living room.

[56:59] And that is?

[57:01] That's a law.

[57:02] We don't have a choice, but do that the law you.

[57:06] Enacted the law that says we will do.

[57:09] What we do is we we have redaction software.

[57:13] So that none of that information is.

[57:15] Being disseminated to those who have nefarious intention.

[57:19] Your date of birth, your Social Security number, the image of your 13 year old son sitting on the couch while you're.

[57:25] Telling me that your gig got hit last night.

[57:27] We have redactions, we have the ability to redact that.

[57:29] If we can't redact that.

[57:32] Then there's an exemption under IPPRA that says we don't have to release it at all.

[57:36] So what we intend to do, and I intend.

[57:38] If we do this and I'm comfortable with it.

[57:42] Is set the very same?

[57:43] Limits and parameters. There's a potential for abuse in just about anything.

[57:47] I mean the common things we issue everyone of our deputies.

[57:51] 3 firearms.

[57:52] We all know there's an abuse.

[57:54] Element. It could be its potential there, we all understand that.

[57:59] I don't think this is any any different.

[58:01] Anybody caught?

[58:02] In my office doing something.

[58:04] That is not in the best interest of this entire county or.

[58:07] Personal reasons.

[58:08] Is going to face me.

[58:10] Period. I've proven that.

[58:13] Over 5 1/2 years, don't think for a second because you stand behind a badge.

[58:17] I'm going to let you get away from stuff.

[58:19] Nobody hates a bad cop worse than a good one.

[58:22] So to answer your question, yes, I assume it's potentially high.

[58:26] Hackable, but the Axon system that we've got.

[58:31] We retain all the information. Nothing is disseminated anywhere else. Nothing goes anywhere else unless.

[58:37] I say it goes there.

[58:39] And so that's another question I have is just how vulnerable is it?

[58:42] That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on it.

[58:45] Trust me when I tell you this and I think everybody says, oh.

[58:48] When the government says trust them.

[58:49] No, but I'm telling you right now.

[58:51] You can trust me to know that I'm not.

[58:53] Going to let you be victimized.

[58:55] Not by the government.

[58:57] Or not by anyone else that's it's not going to happen.

[59:00] I appreciate your openness and listening and I do really appreciate everything you've been doing for a sheriff. My other question

[59:05] like which I haven't looked into.

[59:09] Like the companies?

[59:12] Backgrounds like who they own, are they any parts like, you know, owned or.

[59:16] You know, funded by like foreign governments coming, you know, money into the.

[59:21] This one.

[59:22] No, and we there was a.

[59:25] I forget now, there was a software company that was helpful that wouldn't.

[59:29] We I get calls from vendors all the time.

[59:32] Well, you know, here's the latest grades.

[59:34] And I can't remember who it was we were talking to said that for staff specific reason, there is absolutely no way that they would

[59:38] ever.

[59:43] Joined forces with Flock.

[59:45] Parabolic, apparently.

[59:47] Clock has here you go. If I capture the data, anybody can get to it.

[59:52] I'm not sure that's where a slope we want to slide down.

[59:56] So.

[1:00:00] That being said, any any other questions, I'm glad to entertain them.

[1:00:04] Mr. Vandenberg.

[1:00:06] Ain't no way I'll ever be as articulate as this man David Vandenberg.

[1:00:11] God bless you brother, I respect everything that you do.

[1:00:15] Let's step back to the episode that we're all aware of.

[1:00:19] Our Constitution.

[1:00:21] Is for us.

[1:00:22] We're the ones that get to decide when government is no longer.

[1:00:27] Abiding by.

[1:00:28] The rights of what the people should be doing.

[1:00:31] Back in 2020 COVID.

[1:00:35] You had a meeting out here in this community.

[1:00:37] Where we all stood together and you told everyone.

[1:00:41] That you are not going to be that person who is going to let any outside entity come into this community.

[1:00:47] And dictate. So my concerns have always been.

[1:00:51] The overreach.

[1:00:52] The fact that there are government and.

[1:00:54] Players, uh.

[1:00:55] That are taking whatever advantages.

[1:00:57] They can.

[1:00:58] We know that COVID.

[1:01:00] Was.

[1:01:01] Concocted.

[1:01:02] We know that there were things that were done that should not have been done.

[1:01:06] That put us all on.

[1:01:08] In harm's way?

[1:01:09] And as a free citizen who understands that my government is now taking steps to infringe upon.

[1:01:16] What I know they have to stop doing and when we get to say.

[1:01:20] Stop.

[1:01:21] Enough is enough.

[1:01:22] I want us all to be able to look at the things that are taking place and recognize we have got to stand together because what

[1:01:27] we're seeing happen is a divisional tactic.

[1:01:32] It is a.

[1:01:33] We are losing the battle because we're we have stood by and let it grow.

[1:01:38] Exponentially, uh.

[1:01:39] And we have not stood together to stop it.

[1:01:42] And if we're not going to do those things?

[1:01:45] As the Constitution says.

[1:01:48] I at any point in time.

[1:01:50] Have that right to say.

[1:01:51] No. And any of the laws that we say that have been in place, again, the laws are.

[1:01:58] What we?

[1:01:59] Agreed upon.

[1:02:00] And that if there's something that goes beyond and it's not doing like it should be for the well-being, safety and positivity for

[1:02:04] what we all should expect.

[1:02:09] We have to agree. We stop and revamp.

[1:02:12] Take another look and ensure that those constitutional rights that we have are not being infringed upon.

[1:02:18] And what we're seeing that are taking place is these are always going to be steps.

[1:02:22] That a government where these entities will take.

[1:02:26] To benefit themselves and they keep making improvements.

[1:02:30] For what they say they have control over.

[1:02:32] When that's not right, it's us. We're the ones and I'm with you and want to make sure that we stand together to prevent any of

[1:02:37] these other entities wanting to try to use something.

[1:02:42] Against us, it should never have been like that, but that's where we stand today.

[1:02:46] Again, God bless you for what you're doing.

[1:02:50] So if there's nobody else, then we'll we'll ask.

[1:02:53] One more.

[1:02:55] Please come on up man.

[1:02:56] State your name. Thank you. My name is Valerie Espinosa.

[1:03:01] I have a few questions. Umm.

[1:03:04] When talking about the security and the knowledge of these cameras, you, you said you really didn't know, you didn't understand.

[1:03:11] You talked about keeping us safe and that you.

[1:03:14] Bring anything to us that is the industry you don't know anything about.

[1:03:21] What is controlling them? Who can access them?

[1:03:23] There's a question, that's why I haven't implemented it.

[1:03:26] That's why we're not doing to know why.

[1:03:28] It's even considered if you haven't really looked into it because it is a super beneficial tool. I mean, this thing works. We

[1:03:33] have, we serve a triple homicide based on these things.

[1:03:40] But again.

[1:03:40] Is it constitutional? I have not pulled the trigger. We are not using this.

[1:03:45] But don't think for a minute that I'm going to close my mind to it and say Nope.

[1:03:49] Oh no, no, I'm not finished, not by a long shot. I want a little bit more information.

[1:03:58] How are these cameras constitutional and if you use them, do they affect any of our water supply? That's just a.

[1:04:07] Worried that we all have.

[1:04:10] And what is this costing us as tax taxpayers?

[1:04:14] And if these block.

[1:04:16] Cameras are implemented. Do you all and your officers get a pay decrease? Now say that you got to start from the beginning. You

[1:04:20] got four or five questions there. Let's get #1.

[1:04:25] How are they constitutional?

[1:04:28] You get onto a roadway, these things are not looking at your face.

[1:04:32] All right. I will not do facial recognition. I will not have anything looking at your face.

[1:04:37] Right. These things are simply a license. But let me answer your question. You asked it, so I'm gonna take my time.

[1:04:42] The minute you get on a roadway.

[1:04:44] And you share that roadway.

[1:04:45] With other people.

[1:04:47] Everything around that vehicle.

[1:04:49] Is absolute fair game.

[1:04:51] And everything in there. No, no, that's different. That is an extension your home. I'm not talking about the interior. Let's be

[1:04:57] specific. You asked a question. Let me answer that question.

[1:05:03] The minute you get in that vehicle and drive down the street.

[1:05:06] That license plate is visible to anybody.

[1:05:10] Everybody tracking me.

[1:05:12] There is no tracking.

[1:05:13] I don't see that. So I'm glad you asked that question because nobody's tracking. Let let's let the sheriff nobody's tracking and

[1:05:18] then you can ask another nobody's tracking anything. I think you've come in here today.

[1:05:23] And I think other people out there have come in with this preconceived notion that this is how it is, but you don't want to listen

[1:05:26] to the fact.

[1:05:29] This system is not tracking nobody.

[1:05:33] Why?

[1:05:34] Why would I track it?

[1:05:36] If you are not a murderer.

[1:05:38] Why am I going to track it?

[1:05:39] What is the system called?

[1:05:42] So we could study it. Because you do. Please do. Please get your facts, because here's one thing I've learned over years.

[1:05:48] Is if you're going to take a stand and you're going to come out.

[1:05:50] And I mean brilliantly about things. Always make sure you check your facts because you kind of lose credibility when you don't so.

[1:05:58] So make sure you get your back 'cause I'm working on it on my end you do the same question #2.

[1:06:04] Do these cameras use any of our?

[1:06:07] No.

[1:06:10] If these cameras are implemented.

[1:06:13] Do your deputies, any of the officers yourself, any of you get a paid deduction? Absolutely not.

[1:06:18] Why wouldn't you if they're doing your work a played pay deduction?

[1:06:23] What is the process?

[1:06:26] Nothing. These cost you nothing.

[1:06:29] These came as part of a package.

[1:06:31] Of the body cams, I thought it was well, state law says we will wear a lapel Cam.

[1:06:36] In the story.

[1:06:37] Period. So what I wanted to do is enhance that.

[1:06:40] And I've done that.

[1:06:42] And this Commission given me the funding to not only do the lapel cams, which is statutory required, but we're also doing dash

[1:06:45] cams.

[1:06:50] That dash Cam is going to be on most of the time, or triggered by three specific events.

[1:06:54] Turn the red lights on, it comes on. We get in the front end, crash, it comes on. A certain speed is met, it comes on.

[1:07:00] And prisoner cans.

[1:07:02] Cameras that point and face and record what's going on in the backseat of a police car whenever prison.

[1:07:06] So I've enhanced that.

[1:07:09] And made it even more than what the state statute is said to do.

[1:07:13] All right, but.

[1:07:14] System with the help.

[1:07:16] Last Readers. Readers.

[1:07:17] Was not something we had to pay a cent.

[1:07:20] It came with the package.

[1:07:21] That means I can decide.

[1:07:24] Axon, sure. Could you just tell them how much this package cost? I think what was the final number?

[1:07:32] Is it $168,000 a year for a five year?

[1:07:37] Then you're in yours.

[1:07:40] It was packaged. We don't. We're not paying for the LPR.

[1:07:43] Feature alone.

[1:07:44] How does these cameras assist you all?

[1:07:47] OK, so envision this.

[1:07:50] So envision this and I'll give you a hypothetical.

[1:07:52] Is Miss Espinosa correct?

[1:07:54] Right. You're a sheriff's deputy.

[1:07:56] You're driving down the road. The car in front of you, the license plate reader, is looking at that.

[1:08:00] You don't know that the person sitting in that.

[1:08:03] Has just killed somebody in another county and they're driving through.

[1:08:06] The person who has done that knows it.

[1:08:08] And all they know is now I got a cop behind me.

[1:08:12] All right, so.

[1:08:13] Their expectation.

[1:08:15] Of apprehension or.

[1:08:17] Being killed or whatever, it immediately comes up.

[1:08:20] That sends an alert to the sheriff's deputy, who's looking at it right there.

[1:08:24] It says handle this one with caution. Be careful.

[1:08:26] Don't just walk up there.

[1:08:28] Because these people will shoot you in the face.

[1:08:31] We have triple homicide and Bent.

[1:08:33] As part of the Major Crimes Unit.

[1:08:35] The suspect to kill these three people traveled all the way across this country, ended up on the East Coast.

[1:08:41] We use those cameras to say it's just in such a.

[1:08:44] Time that vehicle the vehicle.

[1:08:46] Not the driver.

[1:08:48] Went through and passed the camera in Texas.

[1:08:51] Louisiana, we tracked that person's movements by those, so it's extremely useful tool.

[1:08:55] I mean, when you're in the business of taking bad guys off the street, this is.

[1:08:59] The bomb right here.

[1:09:01] Because most everybody flees in a motor eagle.

[1:09:04] So she meant.

[1:09:05] Tremendous help to us.

[1:09:07] Next question.

[1:09:08] What helps us when the bad guy is the one that has the act?

[1:09:12] This too.

[1:09:13] Now say that one more time.

[1:09:15] Who and what protects us?

[1:09:17] When the bad guy is the one with the access to our license division there again.

[1:09:23] That is going to come down to your to me.

[1:09:27] None of this information is going anywhere.

[1:09:30] And if I can't be satisfied with that, then I'm not going to do it.

[1:09:33] You can't see that? Not yet. No, that's correct.

[1:09:37] And that's why I have not initiated this program.

[1:09:47] Good morning.

[1:09:55] My name is Deena Turner. I'm not here representing my organization. This is just something.

[1:09:59] I wanted to say.

[1:10:02] So, Sheriff, you have repeatedly explained the ways that you would not use this technology, and I appreciate these assurances.

[1:10:09] But I don't think public policy should depend on the assurances of any individual elected official.

[1:10:15] You will not always be sheriff.

[1:10:17] He's commissioner will not always sit up here.

[1:10:20] Technology will change in the capabilities of these systems will change as well.

[1:10:24] What remains is the infrastructure.

[1:10:26] My concern is it's simply that the camera can read a license plate.

[1:10:29] My concern is what happens to that information afterward? How long is it retained? These are not questions you need to answer. Who

[1:10:33] can search for it?

[1:10:36] For what purpose?

[1:10:37] Can someone's movements be searched historically?

[1:10:40] Can the information be shared with other agencies?

[1:10:43] What safeguards prevent the technology from being used in ways the current sheriff says he has no intention of using it?

[1:10:50] If it is the sheriff's position that these cameras will not be used for certain purposes.

[1:10:55] That needs to be put into policy.

[1:10:58] Yeah, in fact, doing a policy would.

[1:11:00] Protect him, the deputies, the county, the public, everybody by establishing rules before any kind of controversy occurs.

[1:11:07] We shouldn't write a policy based on what we believe today's officials will do. We should write it based on what we would be

[1:11:11] comfortable allowing in the future.

[1:11:15] Future share of future administration.

[1:11:17] Or any other outside agency with access to it.

[1:11:21] These cameras may be a valuable law enforcement tool, but powerful tools deserve equally strong safeguards.

[1:11:27] I'm asking the Commission to make sure those safeguards are adopted in writing.

[1:11:31] Before Lincoln County begins collecting this data.

[1:11:34] Thank you. Well, and I appreciate that. I'll respond to it. That's exactly. I couldn't have said it any better.

[1:11:39] That's why I'm struggling with.

[1:11:41] That's exactly why. Because you're right, in 2 1/2 years I won't be your chief.

[1:11:46] I got to make sure that I'm leaving something that I am.

[1:11:49] I'm comfortable with leaving my kids with my grandparents, my folks. I you're absolutely right.

[1:11:54] That's why I haven't done it yet.

[1:11:56] And that's why I wanted it on today's agenda.

[1:11:59] Again, social media, I'm not responding to none of that.

[1:12:02] When you come here, you speak to everybody and that's why I appreciate that and you just illustrated my point.

[1:12:08] That's why I have not pulled the trigger on you.

[1:12:10] That's why I have not done it. I got questions.

[1:12:13] I don't have one. I have a crystal ball.

[1:12:15] Commissioner Fisher doesn't have the answers. You don't have the answers. You don't have the answers.

[1:12:19] Somebody's got to and if I can't find the answers, this.

[1:12:22] Satisfy me and making sure that I am protecting you.

[1:12:26] Constitutionally and and making sure that you.

[1:12:29] You're right to not be invited, I'm just not going to use it.

[1:12:32] In the story, I don't have to.

[1:12:33] I have the luxury of that. I also have the luxury of this. It doesn't make any difference what the governor, the president,

[1:12:38] legislators, anybody in the world says when it comes down to it.

[1:12:43] I will put myself directly between you and anybody.

[1:12:47] Who or any entity that sets out the harm or infringe? End of story.

[1:12:51] And people aren't getting in this country behind.

[1:12:54] County Sheriff, you better understand.

[1:12:56] If you do away with your County Sheriff.

[1:12:59] And you don't have a good one.

[1:13:00] You are screwed.

[1:13:02] Period. You had better never.

[1:13:06] That institution go.

[1:13:07] To the wayside.

[1:13:08] That is your only voice.

[1:13:10] I am the the sheriff is actually.

[1:13:13] The highest ranking elected official within his or her respective county.

[1:13:18] Nothing goes anywhere.

[1:13:19] Nothing happens in this county.

[1:13:22] On a federal or state level, that one the sheriff doesn't know about.

[1:13:25] #2 the sheriff better.

[1:13:27] Find it constitutional or not, or it's not going to happen, I thought.

[1:13:31] I've already done all that stuff.

[1:13:32] I've stood up against the governor. No, you're not doing this.

[1:13:35] It's not going to happen. I had to stand up against the federal government.

[1:13:37] No, you're not gonna do this.

[1:13:40] Which you better understand. You better get behind your County Sheriff.

[1:13:44] They don't work for anybody else. This Commission has absolutely zero authority.

[1:13:48] To reprimand me. They have zero authority to dismiss me.

[1:13:53] They have zero authority to repro.

[1:13:56] Direct.

[1:13:58] Now you may OfferUp operational suggestions.

[1:14:02] Criticism etc etc etc. But.

[1:14:04] The sheriff answers to nobody.

[1:14:06] The sheriff answers to everybody.

[1:14:09] OK.

[1:14:10] You don't answer to 1 or a group.

[1:14:12] Like your local police chiefs or even the US Marshals? Their point?

[1:14:15] By a body of individuals.

[1:14:18] Your sheriff is elected by you.

[1:14:20] And what an absolute honor.

[1:14:24] I don't understand any sheriff who would not take it serious.

[1:14:28] The people in a larger.

[1:14:29] Municipality or county?

[1:14:31] Have said.

[1:14:32] We trust you.

[1:14:34] Take care of us, keep us safe and keep us free.

[1:14:37] I lose sleep overnight. I had a good night's sleep. In 5 1/2 years it all stops.

[1:14:41] When you get right there, I can't sue anybody.

[1:14:44] I can't levy a complaint against anybody and.

[1:14:48] Hope that it goes anywhere on the IT.

[1:14:49] On the top of the freaking food chain, man. And why I get $83,000 a year.

[1:14:55] Maybe you don't understand this too.

[1:14:57] You asked about compensation and paying all that stuff.

[1:14:59] Here's what the County Sheriff.

[1:15:01] $83,000 a year.

[1:15:03] That's it. I get no overtime.

[1:15:05] I get no vacation time.

[1:15:07] No sick leave, I don't get holiday pay.

[1:15:09] I don't get clothing allowance.

[1:15:12] I get a salary.

[1:15:13] That's it.

[1:15:14] To put in over 100 something hours, I guarantee you every two weeks. You trust me. Don't think for a second it don't.

[1:15:20] That's what I get so.

[1:15:23] I don't understand if there's a sheriff out there that wouldn't take this seriously.

[1:15:27] And be able to stand in front of a body of people and take responsibility for his or her actions.

[1:15:32] All along.

[1:15:34] Relaying to this body of individuals that you can honestly trust me.

[1:15:39] I know, I get it.

[1:15:42] 58 years old.

[1:15:44] There have been.

[1:15:45] Politicians and elected officials you couldn't trust.

[1:15:49] I'm telling you.

[1:15:49] You can trust me.

[1:15:51] I think you know that.

[1:15:53] Anyone else?

[1:15:57] I just have one more, one more come on up, man. And and we we need to close on this one unless there's.

[1:16:03] Kenya Eckert So like, I was worried about, you know, the hacking.

[1:16:07] Portion of it and stuff. So like, you know, this is just the Internet. She's just as like a quick like search about like Axon and

[1:16:10] stuff. But it definitely says that.

[1:16:15] Their hardware components.

[1:16:17] Rely from an international supply chain.

[1:16:20] Engineering elements and hardware components technology from Israel.

[1:16:24] And they're domestic. And so like there's already that connection. And then it has, like it says, China.

[1:16:31] They don't use it because it's an unreliable entity list, so they obviously create their own to spy on their people. So like they

[1:16:36] we may want to just kind of look into like what exactly?

[1:16:42] It may not be hackers, it may be actually from the company themselves that like maybe you guys aren't storing or saving that data

[1:16:46] or whatever, but it could be going back to a source.

[1:16:51] From where that?

[1:16:52] Technology comes from just as another like thing to think about.

[1:16:56] Absolutely. Thank you.

[1:16:59] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Commission, thank you very much. I believe this was important.

[1:17:09] I don't know if.

[1:17:10] You can sit down, but we do have something else I want to give the opportunity for the Commission.

[1:17:15] To comment or ask a question, by all means.

[1:17:20] Is there any commissioners that would like to make a comment?

[1:17:23] I think from.

[1:17:24] Just what? What?

[1:17:26] Does it step on your right to?

[1:17:29] Fisher accuser.

[1:17:31] Now I'm sorry again, Mr. Commissioner, say, you know, one of our rights is to to.

[1:17:35] If we do something wrong or anything like that is to face your accuser.

[1:17:40] You know where does that?

[1:17:41] Get trumped at with the.

[1:17:44] With the videos with the.

[1:17:46] Readers and all that stuff.

[1:17:49] Again, it's it's it's.

[1:17:51] The system we've.

[1:17:52] Got and may implement, may not, I don't know yet. Is strictly for the license plate.

[1:17:58] And the vehicle maybe have a bumper sticker or there's a bullet hole in the side or whatever.

[1:18:02] It looks at the car.

[1:18:04] It's an investigative tool.

[1:18:06] Just like a.

[1:18:07] Oh, there's some software that we use one of us called TLO and it's.

[1:18:10] It's an investigative tool. It's not admissible in court.

[1:18:14] But it gives you a step to.

[1:18:16] Follow or gives you a jump off point.

[1:18:19] To follow and build the case and gather the evidence necessary to go trial.

[1:18:23] And so this isn't.

[1:18:25] Because that plates not going to tell me the manager Burns is driving the car.

[1:18:28] It's not going to do that.

[1:18:30] It's going to say this car and this plate was involved in something.

[1:18:34] And law enforcement put in place by the people.

[1:18:37] Doc put in place by the people as a nation of laws.

[1:18:41] Entered that because they want to talk to this guy.

[1:18:45] So it doesn't have anything to.

[1:18:47] It's a. It's a tool. It's a jump off point. It's a.

[1:18:50] Because until we light the candles on that car and get them pulled over on Side Rd.

[1:18:53] We don't know who's in it.

[1:18:55] We'll never know that.

[1:18:57] These things don't capture images of the interior. They don't capture images of face or a driver.

[1:19:02] They don't even capture the color of the seat belt, it just looks at the plate.

[1:19:06] In the car so.

[1:19:08] That really the facing your accuser doesn't really play in on on this.

[1:19:13] Incident until we were able to use this as an investigative tool and determine, yes, manager Burns was involved in a bad, bad

[1:19:17] crime he gets to go with a.

[1:19:21] And then we build the case.

[1:19:23] And someone who was victimized by, you know, now gets the face.

[1:19:27] Now he gets to face his accuser.

[1:19:29] Does that make sense?

[1:19:31] There really isn't.

[1:19:33] An element in existence that has anything to do with facing your accusers.

[1:19:38] Is this the tool Mrs. You better watch.

[1:19:40] This vehicle has been injured. There's a problem here.

[1:19:44] But again, we're not going to use this if we do.

[1:19:48] Manager Burns calls me and his cat got out. I mean, I, there's, I think we're not going to use it for those things. This is for

[1:19:51] those kind of things that we're going to get somebody off the street.

[1:19:55] Now.

[1:19:56] This person has killed somebody or is about to that's we're not going to be using it for.

[1:20:01] Petty misdemeanors and those kinds of things.

[1:20:04] I hope I answered your question, because it really isn't one other than to say that.

[1:20:07] There is no element of paging your accusers.

[1:20:10] Well, I mean, if you're if you're accused of a crime, right, so.

[1:20:14] That's the part I was getting at.

[1:20:16] Well, in our instance I can only speak to us.

[1:20:19] If I implement this system and it's on the police car.

[1:20:21] Before any of my deputy sheriff's, any of them.

[1:20:24] Anybody working for the shirt?

[1:20:25] In this county.

[1:20:27] Enters Tamiya Eckert's license plate into the system. Maybe you better come to me with a good reason for it.

[1:20:32] Don't come to me because, well, I've been seeing her going up and down Main Street several times. Don't come to me with that kind

[1:20:35] of garbage.

[1:20:38] You need to come to me to say her vehicle that she's driving or the vehicle that has this plate on is involved in a crime.

[1:20:45] And we need either sought and obtained search warrants, arrest warrants.

[1:20:49] Well, there's a reason why we need to pull this vehicle.

[1:20:54] OK, so the plate will not read it until they've received permission from you? No, no, it will not be entered in as a targeted

[1:20:59] plate until I give the permission to do so.

[1:21:05] These things aren't scanning everybody's plates and coming up with some reason to get it pulled over and guns pointed at you.

[1:21:09] That's not happening.

[1:21:14] Before Commissioner Cerner's license plate, you ever going to see the red lights come on behind you?

[1:21:18] If it has to do with your license plate in this particular on this particular topic.

[1:21:23] It has to have been entered by a law enforcement agency.

[1:21:27] And there has to be justification for that.

[1:21:30] Because entering that license plate or bumper stickers that you may have on the outside of that vehicle.

[1:21:34] Depending upon the narrative that is entered in there by the law enforcement agency seeking this vehicle.

[1:21:39] Depending on what that reason is, could result in you being prone out on the asphalt with guns pointed at you.

[1:21:46] We're not picking that lightly.

[1:21:49] We're not about to let somebody say, well, she ****** me off.

[1:21:52] Here's her plate. Put it in there. We'll get her pulled over for some. No, we're not doing that.

[1:21:57] And if that's going on anywhere else in this country, that's shame.

[1:22:01] That is ********.

[1:22:02] Don't be doing it. It's not happening here.

[1:22:05] So it's not just going to it has to have a bona fide reason.

[1:22:10] To flag your plate.

[1:22:13] So you keep referring law enforcement, you know it's been entered into a law enforcement database.

[1:22:20] OK. So you're not being specific to Lincoln County?

[1:22:24] Our plates that are read by this automatic license plate reader.

[1:22:28] Will be accessible to other law enforcement well upon request.

[1:22:33] And you'll see the contract that we have with Axon is that I nothing goes nowhere that I don't approve.

[1:22:39] So if Otero County calls me and says hey.

[1:22:41] And this is one of the reasons I don't have the stationary roadside cameras, because I don't really need them.

[1:22:45] You're not going to come into Lincoln County or leave Lincoln County right now.

[1:22:48] And not go past one unless you're.

[1:22:50] A dirt Rd. It cuts through, you know, cow trail.

[1:22:53] Every county surrounding Lincoln.

[1:22:55] So that's one of the reasons I did. Why am I going to spend $18,000 on something when I don't need it, right?

[1:23:02] Specific to this county.

[1:23:04] Rephrase or repeat the last part of your question, Commissioner.

[1:23:08] The database it stays in house.

[1:23:11] With this office, my agency.

[1:23:13] He goes nowhere else.

[1:23:14] If you if Otero County calls and says we just had an armed robbery at the Circle K.

[1:23:18] And we put this license where we would like to put this license plate in there.

[1:23:22] They get one, have the ability to do it themselves.

[1:23:26] And we think it's headed into your county, then we might consult it, but we will really have to even do that because it'll flag

[1:23:29] automatically and send off sirens.

[1:23:33] It says that plate that they want tonight. Ron robbery just came through US. 54 and 3.

[1:23:39] OK, so maybe I'm not understanding the.

[1:23:42] Software when a deputies unit pulls up behind a vehicle.

[1:23:47] Their license plate is read and stored and retained for how long?

[1:23:50] That's going to be the parameter that we get to set.

[1:23:53] And I intend to do, and I think I may have touched on this a moment ago with the lapel cameras, Here's how we do the lapel camera

[1:23:56] video.

[1:23:59] We can generate hours and hours.

[1:24:03] Of lapel video during one shift.

[1:24:06] One day shift.

[1:24:07] Right with 3/4 deputies on the road.

[1:24:09] That's a lot of storage. If we don't, it's never going to. Nothing is, ever.

[1:24:13] Come of it. So what we do, we set the parameter.

[1:24:16] Of after 120 days all of that data goes away.

[1:24:19] It is deleted and is not retrievable.

[1:24:22] All right, because if I don't.

[1:24:24] And we run into this several years ago with the.

[1:24:27] Watch guard system that we had.

[1:24:28] We didn't know it but they were charging us for every moment to store. We got to build the end of the year for like 30 something

[1:24:31] 1000 bucks.

[1:24:34] So we they didn't explain to us that we can set the parameters.

[1:24:38] I set it at 120 days.

[1:24:40] At 120 days.

[1:24:42] If it's.

[1:24:43] Tammy's license plate and she's not flagged as neat as being wanted from somewhere. He goes away, it just deleted and it's not

[1:24:46] retrievable.

[1:24:49] I do that for two reasons. One.

[1:24:51] By that amount of time, we should know.

[1:24:53] If there's any chance we would ever need to use that information in a court of law to prosecute and bring justice to a victim.

[1:24:59] #2.

[1:25:00] It satisfies the torque.

[1:25:01] Claim notice timeline in the state of New Mexico I believe is 90 days.

[1:25:05] Right, if you're going to sue me or my agents.

[1:25:08] For something you got 90 days to notify us, you're going to do that if you don't.

[1:25:11] You don't get to sue.

[1:25:12] So I want that footage retain.

[1:25:14] After 120 days it.

[1:25:17] Self purges goes away and it is unfortunately lost. RIP.

[1:25:22] That's the same. That's the way we're going to set up these Axon cameras.

[1:25:26] What's the point of?

[1:25:27] I don't understand the point.

[1:25:29] Of saving anytime beyond that.

[1:25:31] I don't understand saving it. If they're innocent and haven't been connected with a crime, why would you even save it?

[1:25:37] 24 the system.

[1:25:40] That's the system. We don't know that something hasn't happened in another state.

[1:25:44] So far they don't have that plate enough. I mean, it's just a tool.

[1:25:48] But I'm not going to go for this and limited lifetime storage of this information one I can't afford it too.

[1:25:53] I don't understand why you'd want to do that.

[1:25:56] You have to understand the nuances of law enforcement and building a case.

[1:25:59] In a day where our hands are absolutely tight.

[1:26:02] People are walking Scott free.

[1:26:04] And I will speak to the state of New Mexico.

[1:26:06] Specifically in this state.

[1:26:08] Because we are allowing it.

[1:26:10] Every single one of us are.

[1:26:12] Why would I not take an opportunity to make sure somebody gets a little closure and I one of the biggest responsibilities we have

[1:26:16] is becoming the voice of someone who has lost theirs.

[1:26:21] This is just another tool.

[1:26:23] But again, I gotta wait.

[1:26:25] Legal. Constitutional.

[1:26:27] Benefit. Umm.

[1:26:28] This disadvantage, I got to weigh all these things.

[1:26:30] Don't think I'm taking it lightly.

[1:26:33] I don't have the answer to everybody's questions.

[1:26:35] That's why I haven't pulled the trigger on this. We're going to find out until I'm comfortable with it.

[1:26:40] And you are comfortable with it and know that you can trust me.

[1:26:43] Then we're not going to do it.

[1:26:45] Do you have anything else?

[1:26:47] Have you looked at the security of our network where this data will be stored?

[1:26:51] You know, there again, that's a great point.

[1:26:53] That's a great point because right now.

[1:26:56] We are limited to what?

[1:26:59] Is available to us in terms of software, you know.

[1:27:02] Our RMS.

[1:27:03] I know this. My predecessor, Sheriff Shepherd, was.

[1:27:06] Hesitant. He never wanted to.

[1:27:08] Set up a station with a computer at Copper Ridge or at the Hondo Valley Senior Center.

[1:27:14] Where the deputies could just go in there and sit down and do their reports and I'll have to drive all the way 100 miles to Cures.

[1:27:19] He was fearful of a breach in the firewall. He was fearful.

[1:27:22] That that records management system.

[1:27:24] Could be compromised and hacked.

[1:27:27] So all you can do is put in the best safeguard you can.

[1:27:30] These flock cameras and what these things are picking up in terms of threats.

[1:27:34] To you as an individual.

[1:27:36] It's negligible compared to the data that we're gathering from you. Anyways, by law, we have to.

[1:27:42] We have to.

[1:27:44] We have to gather your information.

[1:27:46] Your date of birth, your Social Security number, things that can be used to victimize you personally and drain your bank accounts.

[1:27:50] We're required to do that.

[1:27:53] Because we agreed that that's what was best.

[1:27:57] So the best we can do is just protect and put in the safeguards and the firewalls.

[1:28:01] But I got to tell you that.

[1:28:03] Your license plate, as it looks that everybody else in the world can see.

[1:28:08] In comparison to the information we must gather and store.

[1:28:11] Some of this information, your date of birth, you call me to your house and it's serious enough it's going to be there for.

[1:28:16] And what is it? Perpetuity.

[1:28:18] Yeah, it's just always going to be there.

[1:28:20] Can't get rid of it, so homicide investigation, Oh my God, never ever goes away.

[1:28:25] So the best we can do is bring to you.

[1:28:28] The best I can do is bring to you.

[1:28:30] The information.

[1:28:31] That I have, and I've asked you to do what your job is, which is to provide me everything I need to do my job.

[1:28:39] That's your job.

[1:28:42] And be critical of that.

[1:28:44] Ask the questions.

[1:28:46] And be critical of that, by all means. These people deserve it.

[1:28:50] I just have serious concern. I recently had a personal issue where I ippered the county.

[1:28:55] And I was going to provide a flash drive that is county property.

[1:29:00] To put the material on and the county told me no they couldn't because the safety concerns with the.

[1:29:07] Network and so I asked for the privacy policy for security reasons.

[1:29:12] That governs that and I've yet to receive a policy, so I'm a little concerned with this amount of data and the safety.

[1:29:19] Of our network and infrastructure being protected because.

[1:29:22] To my understanding.

[1:29:24] Policy. Umm.

[1:29:24] They're real. Trust me. We're not going to do any of this without a pause. There's but we have policy for everything in the world.

[1:29:29] We have policy for everything, which is a guideline, right? It's not cut in stone.

[1:29:34] But it's a it's a guideline for the deputies in the field on how to act, how to approach things.

[1:29:38] What you can and can't do, it's a guideline for that.

[1:29:40] But in terms of you bringing in a thumb drive and putting it in one of my computers, I'm going to allow that either. I don't know.

[1:29:43] You ain't doing that.

[1:29:47] I'm not going to have you put a bug in my.

[1:29:51] I'm just saying there's no policy not doing that.

[1:29:54] Well, you come. I'm hoping it didn't come from my office because I'll take care of that.

[1:29:59] But at the same time, if you want to bring your own hard drive in and download them from us, we're not doing that.

[1:30:04] Here's a new one with it.

[1:30:05] Here you go, I'll pay for it.

[1:30:06] Here's your brand spanking new one. I'm not compromising my system and your dates of birth and your Social Security numbers

[1:30:11] because somebody wants to bring in a hard drive. Yeah, that that that I think that was the answer to your query.

[1:30:17] Do you have anything else?

[1:30:19] Yeah, sure, I have a whole.

[1:30:22] Statement I'd like for the record because there is no policy.

[1:30:25] There will be.

[1:30:27] Right, it's implemented. It is not implemented.

[1:30:30] Please understand that we are not using license plate readers.

[1:30:33] We are not using flop cameras.

[1:30:35] I think we don't have, I think we can bring this up on another agenda and we can actually talk about the policy for for these

[1:30:40] readers. We're getting off top. It's going to go to here first.

[1:30:46] Right here.

[1:30:47] This is where it's going first.

[1:30:49] I don't care what Axon says. I don't care what Flock says. It's coming right here. First county and council.

[1:30:55] That's who's going to review. We can put that on the agenda.

[1:30:57] That's where my concern lies though, because we have approved stuff.

[1:31:01] Pending review by.

[1:31:03] Council and it never came back to an open session.

[1:31:06] I ain't doing it with this.

[1:31:08] That's not my operation. Please keep your remarks to questions.

[1:31:12] The editorial comments are subject to disagreement.

[1:31:15] And also.

[1:31:18] Other interpretations. We're going to keep this meeting.

[1:31:20] On topic, not personal.

[1:31:23] Do you have any other questions for the sheriff?

[1:31:29] How long is your statement?

[1:31:30] It shouldn't matter. If you'd like to limit my First Amendment right too, I guess I'd be glad to go ahead. Go ahead and.

[1:31:37] And give your statement.

[1:31:40] I would just like.

[1:31:42] The constituents that we serve in our local.

[1:31:45] Neighbors in our county to understand that I support giving our deputies the tools they need to keep themselves.

[1:31:52] And the public safe, but placing these automatic license plate readers.

[1:31:56] On every patrol vehicle crosses the line I'm not prepared to cross.

[1:32:00] These systems do not only scan.

[1:32:02] Vehicles. Umm.

[1:32:03] That are suspected of crimes.

[1:32:05] They collect locations and travel patterns of ordinary citizens.

[1:32:09] Who have done nothing wrong for 120 days.

[1:32:12] But assumably.

[1:32:13] If there's a policy that's put in place.

[1:32:16] That information.

[1:32:17] Can be searched and shared with outside agencies.

[1:32:20] Before we expand.

[1:32:22] Surveillance county wide. We need clear evidence that it's necessary and that there are strict limits on data retention.

[1:32:28] Independent oversight.

[1:32:30] Public transparency and protection against misuse.

[1:32:33] We need to understand what the liability is on the county because settlements.

[1:32:38] Come at the cost of taxpayer dollars.

[1:32:41] Public safety matters, but so does privacy.

[1:32:43] Due process and limited government.

[1:32:46] Technology should serve our citizens, not quietly track them.

[1:32:50] We need to use safeguards.

[1:32:51] That will be established and presented before.

[1:32:55] This is put into place.

[1:32:57] I cannot support.

[1:32:59] Automated. Umm.

[1:33:00] Made a license plate readers on every deputy vehicle without a sound policy to protect our citizens.

[1:33:08] Thank you.

[1:33:10] Commissioner Prather.

[1:33:16] Those are the iteration of what I said.

[1:33:17] So thank you.

[1:33:19] So I'll be very brief.

[1:33:23] The Constitution is sacrosanct.

[1:33:25] To all of us.

[1:33:28] If you notice.

[1:33:29] The sheriff indicated that all the counties around us have.

[1:33:33] This capability and are using it.

[1:33:35] I'm very concerned about that.

[1:33:37] Remember COVID?

[1:33:40] Remember all the restrictions we had?

[1:33:43] Wonder if this kind of system could be used.

[1:33:46] To control us even further.

[1:33:49] I would say that.

[1:33:50] I would say that it's quite possible and maybe even probable.

[1:33:56] The solution to this?

[1:33:58] Is is awareness?

[1:34:00] On our part.

[1:34:01] But it's also. I'll get back to.

[1:34:03] I believe.

[1:34:04] Voting for the right people. Educating yourself. Who's running?

[1:34:08] What they believe in.

[1:34:10] What's their past?

[1:34:11] And what what their performance?

[1:34:13] Has been as as you observe it.

[1:34:16] Vote for the right people.

[1:34:18] The state has been under.

[1:34:20] One party control.

[1:34:23] Well, I don't know. Forever.

[1:34:26] And those that are in there have not necessarily served.

[1:34:30] All of us.

[1:34:31] As well as we'd like.

[1:34:33] Now it's not just a party thing.

[1:34:36] But it could be.

[1:34:38] Think about making a change.

[1:34:40] That's my comment.

[1:34:41] We're going to take a recess for 5 minutes.

[1:34:44] Read stretch violets bio breaks I apologize in the long session so far we're.

[1:34:52] So the next.

[1:34:54] The next subject is going to be reports from external agencies, boards and committees.

[1:34:59] We'd like to start off with the Lincoln County Detention Center.

[1:35:04] Castleton, please.

[1:35:15] Good morning.

[1:35:16] Ross Castleton, Warden, Lincoln County Detention Center.

[1:35:22] So I have for you today.

[1:35:24] A quarterly report.

[1:35:31] Chairman. Fisher, Commissioners.

[1:35:33] Pleasure to.

[1:35:34] To present to you today.

[1:35:36] We've had an average bed count of 63 detainees.

[1:35:41] We average about 110.

[1:35:44] Intakes per month.

[1:35:46] And.

[1:35:48] One of the challenges that we face are is our staffing.

[1:35:52] We have seven officer vacancies.

[1:35:55] We have 3 supervisory vacancies.

[1:35:59] And.

[1:36:02] Our RISE programs.

[1:36:04] Fully staffed.

[1:36:06] Currently, our medical staffing is fully staffed.

[1:36:10] We've been recruiting by we have billboards.

[1:36:14] That we've purchased.

[1:36:17] We have radio ads. We have are indeed spots.

[1:36:20] And we advertise on our.

[1:36:22] On the county.

[1:36:24] Website as well.

[1:36:27] I've made two offers.

[1:36:29] For officers.

[1:36:32] Onboarding. Uh.

[1:36:33] And hopefully those.

[1:36:34] Come to fruition.

[1:36:36] Again.

[1:36:37] It's, you know, I, I do.

[1:36:39] Twice a week I do interviews and.

[1:36:42] Sometimes I have upwards of.

[1:36:44] 5.

[1:36:46] Candidates. Umm.

[1:36:47] If I get one to show up.

[1:36:49] I'm excited. Umm.

[1:36:50] Typically they're all no shows.

[1:36:52] But it's just kind of the way things are going right now.

[1:36:58] Since my last.

[1:36:59] Report we've.

[1:37:02] Take in Professional Solutions Group has taken the initiative to have outside agencies come in.

[1:37:09] And do some audits and reviews.

[1:37:12] I shared with you Overland Solutions.

[1:37:16] It's a survey, they come in and they look at overall risk.

[1:37:21] Of they look at our risk control.

[1:37:24] Facility conditions, electrical rooms, fire extinguishers, egress, all of those types of things they're associated with.

[1:37:32] Insurance.

[1:37:36] That report was very favorable.

[1:37:39] Which again I shared with you.

[1:37:42] We also contacted Grant County.

[1:37:46] And requested that they come and do a security audit for us.

[1:37:52] We thought that an outside.

[1:37:54] Third party agency would be a good way to do that.

[1:37:59] Grant County is very similar in.

[1:38:02] Their facility is very similar in size.

[1:38:07] Number of beds, staffing, et cetera.

[1:38:10] They came in and did.

[1:38:13] Warden at a solar.

[1:38:15] Came he's.

[1:38:16] He's actually on the New Mexico.

[1:38:19] Jail standards.

[1:38:20] Board and does the accreditation audits.

[1:38:25] So we thought he would be a good fit.

[1:38:28] They came and spent two days. This was just last week.

[1:38:31] And so we're waiting for the results of that audit.

[1:38:35] As soon as we get those results, I'll share that with you.

[1:38:38] They always do an out brief.

[1:38:40] When they leave.

[1:38:42] They had very positive things to say.

[1:38:45] We anticipate that.

[1:38:46] Being positive.

[1:38:48] We had some very good discussion about the challenges.

[1:38:53] That we face they have similar.

[1:38:57] Staffing issues.

[1:39:00] And have very difficult time hiring staff.

[1:39:04] Currently.

[1:39:06] We also had a.

[1:39:07] Pharmacy inspection, it seemed like.

[1:39:10] Came all at once.

[1:39:12] And so our pharmacy inspection.

[1:39:15] Turned out very well, only a couple of minor issues.

[1:39:19] One was the temperature reading.

[1:39:21] On a refrigerator and then in a medical.

[1:39:26] Medication storage.

[1:39:27] Area. So we're addressing that.

[1:39:31] And then we also had.

[1:39:33] The county had an OSHA.

[1:39:35] Audits and I think every building in the county was audited and.

[1:39:39] They came through.

[1:39:40] And audited Lincoln County Detention Center.

[1:39:43] And we had a minor.

[1:39:47] Item that we needed to address, and we're addressing that.

[1:39:52] Let's go in the last six weeks.

[1:39:57] We've completed.

[1:39:59] Targeted security improvements on our recreation cages.

[1:40:04] For 2/2 of the recreation cages, we.

[1:40:08] Beefed up the security in those areas.

[1:40:10] We've expanded for Echo Unit. We've expanded our camera coverage.

[1:40:17] And designated areas for that unit.

[1:40:21] There's more camera coverage coverage there for the officer to.

[1:40:24] Immediately be watching some areas.

[1:40:28] We started a comprehensive.

[1:40:30] Revision of our tool control program.

[1:40:33] Including our.

[1:40:35] Classification and storage of.

[1:40:37] Of certain tools and.

[1:40:39] Implemented stricter.

[1:40:41] Checkout procedures for those.

[1:40:45] And then we continue to use independent reviews to evaluate our operation.

[1:40:50] We're going to guide our.

[1:40:53] Improvements.

[1:40:54] The last time.

[1:40:56] That we've talked.

[1:40:59] There was a request that I present some numbers.

[1:41:02] Nationally. Uh.

[1:41:05] The worst statistics and so.

[1:41:07] I gathered from the Bureau of Justice.

[1:41:11] Statistics.

[1:41:13] Local gels.

[1:41:14] And this is these are national numbers.

[1:41:17] Have an average daily population of 664,800.

[1:41:22] Detainees, yeah.

[1:41:24] During the months ending in June.

[1:41:27] Of 2023.

[1:41:29] And when you look for.

[1:41:30] Statistics, I'm sure you all know.

[1:41:33] You have to go back a couple of years because.

[1:41:36] They're very slow in coming forward.

[1:41:38] The reason why is there's.

[1:41:40] Litigation and there's processes that have to take place so that those stats fall in the right numbers.

[1:41:46] And so.

[1:41:47] Really. I was surprised I was able to get numbers from 2023.

[1:41:53] FBI so in the last.

[1:41:55] In that last year.

[1:41:57] It's estimated that there were.

[1:42:00] 4296 Allegations of.

[1:42:03] Staff on detainee sexual.

[1:42:06] Misconduct or harassment.

[1:42:08] Approximately 143 of those were substantiated.

[1:42:12] After investigation and went to litigation.

[1:42:19] In that last year.

[1:42:20] Local jails reported 1200.

[1:42:23] Deaths in custody.

[1:42:26] Of all of those causes, 355.

[1:42:30] Deaths were classified as.

[1:42:32] Completed suicides.

[1:42:35] So and.

[1:42:37] The total employment.

[1:42:39] In local jails.

[1:42:42] I've got a bunch of numbers there, but essentially.

[1:42:45] Jails nationwide.

[1:42:47] Our short 72,700 officers.

[1:42:51] That's how many vacancies there are and.

[1:42:55] Nationwide so.

[1:42:56] Is really something that's.

[1:42:59] You know, we we're feeling the pain, but I think.

[1:43:01] They're filling the pain everywhere. This first staff shortages.

[1:43:05] And those types of things so.

[1:43:07] That's all the information that I had and I.

[1:43:10] Happy to answer any questions.

[1:43:12] Commissioners.

[1:43:17] I have a question. Yes, ma'am. The last time we had spoke about maybe increasing your technology capacity. Have you?

[1:43:24] Identified anything that would help your staff.

[1:43:28] Utilizing technology in the jail.

[1:43:31] Yes, it was. It was mentioned possibly looking at.

[1:43:35] To view cameras.

[1:43:37] That technology does exist.

[1:43:40] It's incredibly expensive.

[1:43:43] We're talking.

[1:43:44] Hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[1:43:47] I'm happy to.

[1:43:48] To put something together and present to you.

[1:43:52] Specifics on on what the numbers are and what that.

[1:43:55] Would possibly cost.

[1:43:58] They're able to utilize either new cameras or they can utilize existing cameras if they're sophisticated enough. We do have quite

[1:44:03] a few newer cameras.

[1:44:08] That may be able to.

[1:44:10] Tied again to that.

[1:44:12] But I'm happy to get those numbers.

[1:44:14] For you.

[1:44:16] I think more importantly would be the capabilities.

[1:44:19] If we could.

[1:44:21] Something like that, what they would enhance public safety and even the safety of the inmates.

[1:44:26] Yes, the important.

[1:44:28] Happy to do that.

[1:44:31] Anything else? Commission?

[1:44:35] Thank you, Sir.

[1:44:36] All right. Thank you.

[1:44:39] Lincoln County.

[1:44:40] Medical Center.

[1:44:45] A long time since you've been here, it seems like the chairman, Fisher County Commissioners taught Overheugh Hospital chief

[1:44:49] executive, Lincoln County Medical Center. Thank. Thank you for having me today.

[1:44:55] Glad to be here and visit with you and just update you on the hospital.

[1:44:59] First off, we'll start off with patient satisfaction for the hospital currently is sitting in the top 30% of all hospitals

[1:45:03] nationwide on patient satisfaction. That will be our inpatient.

[1:45:07] Called H Caps.

[1:45:09] That's the Medicare terminology is H caps and stuff so.

[1:45:14] And the ER, we're sending 25% nationwide on patient satisfaction in the emergency room. That is still, I believe, I know it's the

[1:45:19] highest in the Presbyterian system. I believe it's highest in the state.

[1:45:25] And it continues to be so from that stand.

[1:45:29] We're sitting at our surveys, still are sitting out. Would you recommend your provider at 97.4%?

[1:45:36] And do you have adequate access to your provider and that's 96.8. We're very sensitive to that one. I'm watching that very

[1:45:43] closely. I do think we've got some some challenges around primary care access in the community. So currently we have open.

[1:45:50] Two APC's which it would be a nurse practitioner, physician assistant, we also have a family medicine position position and a

[1:45:57] pediatrician position open trying to recruit for. So, so we're looking at that very closely.

[1:46:03] Other recruitment efforts we're doing this is we're in the process of recruiting an OBGYN. I think that's going to be a positive.

[1:46:07] I'm hoping I can tell you.

[1:46:12] Maybe even by the end of next week that we've signed an OBGYN so.

[1:46:17] So very excited about that so.

[1:46:20] Other things going on, we did start in July doing our in-house sleep study, so we built a.

[1:46:27] Converted in the area and so that we can do in-house sleep studies, so.

[1:46:31] Previously patients, the wait times have been pretty astronomic for those around the area and stuff up to three months before

[1:46:38] people ordered a sleep study. So we're doing those at the facility now and we can do that for the community as well.

[1:46:45] Last night we hosted A substance abuse symposium. We had individuals. The warden was there. Renew Health was there. We we had.

[1:46:55] The individuals from Mescalero there at the out at the end of Mount Gods and they had a really good discussion, robust discussion

[1:47:00] around substance abuse challenges and.

[1:47:05] As well and so LCMC hosted that for the community last night so.

[1:47:10] Successful recruitment, that's on board. I do want to confirm that Doctor Mary Nord Cook is now practicing and open. She is a

[1:47:16] child psychiatrist. She's located at the physician office building at the hospital. She is also seeing adults too. So she is

[1:47:22] double boarded in adult and in child psychiatry. So she's seen both.

[1:47:28] But we're actively recruiting for an adult psychiatrist to be alongside.

[1:47:34] So hopefully we'll see some movement on that.

[1:47:36] Doctor Seth Macbeth is currently practicing that. He is a urologist. He's he's one of our military physicians. So we want to get

[1:47:41] him one day. A really.

[1:47:45] 2 days.

[1:47:47] A month.

[1:47:48] But we do have some urology availability at the facility right now. Doctor Mecca, who is going to be retiring here at the end of

[1:47:52] the year.

[1:47:57] Macbeth and that goes in the transition between the two and so.

[1:48:03] On a turnover, turnover for the facility, employee turnover sits at 11 percent, our targets to be below 15%. So I'm very pleased

[1:48:08] with that. We're not seeing very high turnover at the facility right now.

[1:48:13] We're waiting on our provider engagement, employee engagement. So I don't have anything to put on those survey. The employee

[1:48:18] engagements going on now and the provider won't be until October, I believe.

[1:48:24] From that standpoint.

[1:48:25] Financially, facilities doing pretty well. We're right at budget overall our target. I will tell you I've seen a little bit of

[1:48:32] erosion in some of the volumes or at least just a little bit unsteadiness. I think it's a better way of saying it.

[1:48:38] However, we've been fortunate. We are on target financially from what we predicted for the budget to be for the facility. The

[1:48:44] women's clinic is open. We did a ribbon cutting last month on that. The greeters came out and did ribbon cutting on the women's

[1:48:49] clinic. And so Doctor Rath and Dr. Combs are now in that new clinic space.

[1:48:56] We did complete construction on a maintenance shed on.

[1:48:59] The lot that this plots owned by Presbyterian, not by the county and stuff, it's a lot behind the physician office building and

[1:49:03] so.

[1:49:06] Both that will impact is if you're up at the hospital in the dock area, there's several temporary kind of storage sheds there.

[1:49:11] We're going to be removing those before too much longer.

[1:49:16] And I'll be opened up from that standpoint.

[1:49:19] And the last thing, which is kind of big news, I, my director of nurses, Chief Nurse Wendy, put together a grant request to the

[1:49:25] New Mexico Healthcare Delivery Fund.

[1:49:31] To offset the losses that we see with obstetrical care, I think I've told this body before, we typically lose about $9000 every

[1:49:37] time we deliver a baby at the hospital. That's about what it costs us versus what we get reimbursed.

[1:49:43] So we submitted a grant to the state, it's called a stability fund is what they did with this, this grant program and stuff. And

[1:49:48] and so the states going to fund us $2.8 million over the next three years.

[1:49:54] To offset those obstetrical losses that we see at the facility. So very excited about that. We're working on the budget.

[1:49:59] That we have sent to the state yet and but we do expect to start seeing those states fund.

[1:50:03] You know, come in to offset that and I think that's going to be part of our reason that we can recruit this additional OB care

[1:50:06] force as well.

[1:50:10] So I think that's what I've got for you all.

[1:50:15] Commissioners.

[1:50:17] Another question, can you elaborate on the $9000 lost?

[1:50:21] For the delivery of a baby is out of Medicaid cap. Well you are so you Medicaid pays a a fixed amount that they will for a certain

[1:50:26] period of time.

[1:50:31] And of course, the majority of our babies are Medicaid. I'd say probably, you know.

[1:50:35] At least.

[1:50:35] 7075% of the deliveries at the facility are Medicaid to Medicaid and others and children so.

[1:50:42] So there is a limit to what Medicaid reimburses us.

[1:50:46] Along with that though, you know things get, there's a lot of costs that go in that that you don't necessarily are directly

[1:50:50] related to the delivery of the baby.

[1:50:55] We have to pay for anesthesia to be on call 24 hours a day. We have to pay for the obstetricians to be on call. We have.

[1:51:01] So you've got all these additional fixed costs that based on whatever you deliver you see that and so.

[1:51:07] The less deliveries you have, which I might add, we're actually seeing about a 20 to 25% increase in deliveries at the facility

[1:51:11] over what we've seen and so.

[1:51:16] What Doctor Rapp told me just last week was we typically have about 100 pregnancies on the list of the, you know, upcoming

[1:51:21] deliveries that we're anticipating. We're up to almost 130 right now.

[1:51:27] And so we're not sure why that is and, but but anyway, there's a lot of babies being delivered And so if you go up to be on any

[1:51:32] given day, you're going to see it full.

[1:51:38] Right now so.

[1:51:41] Anyway, I love them comment on any of that so so but.

[1:51:44] The but yes, so we've been really busy on that. But so that 9000 is taking the entire fixed cost that we have relative to being

[1:51:50] prepared to deliver a baby because the OR crew has to be on call like I said too. So all those things.

[1:51:57] Our costs that we might, we wouldn't occur if we didn't do we didn't do obstetrics at the facility.

[1:52:02] I will share with you though, when we did this analysis for Socorro.

[1:52:07] So so coral does not deliver the same amount babies we do. Their cost per baby is about $15,000 that they use.

[1:52:13] So it's not much more as you see the.

[1:52:16] The lower volumes, you see those dollars.

[1:52:21] So.

[1:52:22] I have one last question. On your campus, do you have any?

[1:52:27] Real estate available for development of like.

[1:52:31] Another type of clinic.

[1:52:32] Yes.

[1:52:33] So when we purchased the Nob Hill property, we've got the whole kind of the southwest end of that property is completely available

[1:52:37] for development.

[1:52:42] And so.

[1:52:43] We're watching to kind of decide, you know, what we want to do if we would. That's the reason why we bought that is for future

[1:52:46] development, so.

[1:52:50] Yeah. Is that it, Commission?

[1:52:55] Thank you, Sir. We look forward to seeing you again very soon, OK.

[1:52:58] Thank you.

[1:53:03] MSU Extension office, I don't think there's anybody here, Mr. Chairman. We reached out to him, but we do not have anyone in

[1:53:06] attendance today from MSU.

[1:53:11] But we do have upper Honda soil and water conservation.

[1:53:19] Good morning, Commissioners Tony Griffin, Upper Hondo Soil and water.

[1:53:23] I provided your report.

[1:53:25] For the year end, honor noxious weed treatment.

[1:53:30] So from July of.

[1:53:32] 25 to.

[1:53:33] Through June 30th of 26.

[1:53:37] The areas that were treated.

[1:53:39] We're Honda Senior Center.

[1:53:42] Burlington County fire stations.

[1:53:45] Rita so Parks and Recreation areas.

[1:53:48] Grindstone.

[1:53:51] Many places are Hwy. 4837 two 20.

[1:53:55] Lincoln County Fairgrounds.

[1:53:57] Benito Lake Rd.

[1:53:59] And, umm.

[1:54:00] Nogal Canyon Rd. Arrangements Camp Patos, White Oaks Highway, Anchor Rd. Bogle Road and Ranger Rd.

[1:54:08] We've already treated.

[1:54:09] Two other places.

[1:54:11] Since then this fiscal year.

[1:54:13] Some of the places get treated twice, like the fire stations and the.

[1:54:17] Hondo Senior Center likes to really grow the weeds.

[1:54:23] And we've treated.

[1:54:24] Ritoso Parks and Rec areas, 41 acres of that again this fiscal year and then the Lincoln County right away as we treated another

[1:54:28] 44 miles.

[1:54:35] A couple of things that we have going on.

[1:54:39] We have a grant that we applied for. It's through.

[1:54:43] Land of Enchantment grants.

[1:54:45] We applied for that. I believe in.

[1:54:47] March.

[1:54:48] We were granted that grant in July, so we've started the process.

[1:54:53] That grant was for a noxious tree invasive tree project in El Valley Loop area in the Hondo Valley.

[1:55:02] It's going to treat approximately 90 acres. It's a $250,000 grant. And so we've already.

[1:55:10] Got the RFP secured. We started the letters. Those will be going out to certified mail to land owners in that area that qualify.

[1:55:17] Basically just kind of getting rid of those.

[1:55:19] Straws along the river there to help, maybe with their water table.

[1:55:25] And get it cleaned up for them. So it's it's 100% paid for.

[1:55:29] And it'll be that 90 acres. So there I believe there's about 30.

[1:55:34] 35 land owners that will qualify for that grant. So we're pretty excited about that. We hope to start the project in December.

[1:55:42] How are we communicating with those land owners? We're going to send a certified letter first. We've kind of prepped some of the

[1:55:47] land owners when we've seen during cost share visits and things like that.

[1:55:52] Let him know it was kind of in the works, but you know, we didn't want to count our chickens before they hatched.

[1:55:57] So a lot of them are waiting, they're ready. But I would say.

[1:56:02] That's probably a close to 10 land owners maybe as all of that. So we have.

[1:56:07] We're going to send out these certified letters and then hope we get response back. If not, we've got three members on our board.

[1:56:15] That are that are part of the assay Kias so they can assist with that as well getting in touch with them and.

[1:56:22] And then if we have to, we'll start seeing if we can get phone numbers and information like that. I'd like to talk to him in

[1:56:26] person as well so they're well aware we're sending with the letter.

[1:56:30] A map of the area and also kind of a fact sheet on just what these invasive trees can take from them so.

[1:56:37] Kind of educate them a little bit.

[1:56:39] So the other thing.

[1:56:41] I wanted to bring to your attention is I know that there was.

[1:56:44] You know, uh.

[1:56:46] A meeting.

[1:56:47] Concerning fencing off Benito Lake.

[1:56:50] We do treat.

[1:56:52] Alamogordo area.

[1:56:53] With four weeds.

[1:56:55] We had an agreement with them years ago.

[1:56:57] It's kind of a standing agreement. We've tried to get in touch with them, but I guess things have changed hands and whatnot, so we

[1:57:00] just continue to treat the area.

[1:57:04] If we don't have funding from Lincoln County.

[1:57:06] Then we use our own funding and we treat the area so that gets treated every year for Thistle and.

[1:57:14] Diesel and the boys poison hemlock and things like that, so we do assist.

[1:57:20] With that.

[1:57:21] Area on their property.

[1:57:24] For the value of, you know, people that come to Lincoln County, so we keep it under control, so.

[1:57:29] Just wanted to bring that to your attention.

[1:57:31] Appreciate that very much. Thank you.

[1:57:34] I stand for.

[1:57:35] Commissioner, Yeah.

[1:57:38] Have a comment on the report you mentioned that we had received. There's nothing in the packet. Would you mind emailing that to

[1:57:42] us?

[1:57:46] You bet.

[1:57:48] Thank you for all your work.

[1:57:50] Yeah, yeah.

[1:57:52] Thank you man.

[1:57:55] South Central Mountain RC.

[1:57:58] Good morning, Commissioners.

[1:58:02] I appreciate I was unable to make it last time so.

[1:58:06] Your packets had this last.

[1:58:08] Look this way, you've got.

[1:58:09] The report and point of view.

[1:58:11] Well.

[1:58:14] Thank you. Great deal.

[1:58:18] It's been a bit busy.

[1:58:24] We'll start with the community Wildfire protection plan.

[1:58:28] This is a requirement.

[1:58:30] For the state of New Mexico and is one of our integral.

[1:58:34] Parts of applying for grant funding is our CWPP.

[1:58:40] The requirement is that we update that every five years, so we are in the process of doing that.

[1:58:46] We have an outside firm. Cadence LLC is working on that for us. We've had a lot of really good meetings.

[1:58:52] With our Land Management agencies, with our emergency.

[1:58:57] Personnel in preparing that. So we are now moving on to the.

[1:59:02] Public input.

[1:59:03] Side of things.

[1:59:04] We have.

[1:59:05] Three, and I know that Gabe has been working with Bethany on getting it onto the county website.

[1:59:12] But three public meetings to make note of.

[1:59:16] Because this is all of Lincoln County, our first meeting is going to be in Corona.

[1:59:21] On October 24th, and that's going to be at 10 AM at the Corona High School.

[1:59:27] Then we will have another meeting in Ruidoso and that is scheduled for November 7th.

[1:59:33] And that is at 10 AM at the Convention Center and then in Capitan will be.

[1:59:38] There in the afternoon, the same date, November 7th at 2:00 PM at the fairgrounds.

[1:59:43] So we are trying to get as much input from all of the residents of Lincoln County as we are preparing this.

[1:59:50] The goal is once we've had those.

[1:59:54] Public meetings.

[1:59:55] That Gabe will be in the process of drafting the entire Community Wildfire Protection plan.

[2:00:01] And then we will start sending them out for review to this body to.

[2:00:07] The Upper Hondo, all of our different agencies that.

[2:00:10] That deal with Land Management and everybody will approve that and sign it off. Then it goes up to Santa Fe for approval by the

[2:00:17] fire planning task force, the fire planning task force. So hopefully it'll be by the 1st.

[2:00:23] Part of the spring of 27 that we will.

[2:00:27] Have it finalized and ready to go up to them for approval from the state on getting that.

[2:00:33] And the funding for for that plan came out of the Community Wildfire Defense grant that we wrote on that one.

[2:00:41] We are continuing our outreach and education. We've actually hired a new social media person for that.

[2:00:48] She is actually from Albuquerque, so she knows the area and she's very excited. We're just.

[2:00:54] Onboarding her right now.

[2:00:56] Getting her involved with doing some of the outreach we also have been working with.

[2:01:01] Lincoln County's Office of Emergency Management.

[2:01:04] Helping with the funds that we've received and being able to.

[2:01:08] Print Materials.

[2:01:10] Do materials for for when they go do the shows and that kind of stuff. All of the the things that they're doing there.

[2:01:17] With our Community Wildfire Defense Grant, we had another grant.

[2:01:22] That was specifically 4th inning.

[2:01:25] We are probably about 75% through on that one. We are.

[2:01:31] Doing work along Carrizo Canyon.

[2:01:33] Because that is where with our southwest winds and that type of thing.

[2:01:37] We've had some difficulties we had.

[2:01:39] Two large properties.

[2:01:41] And for the life of me I cannot get hold of those property over.

[2:01:44] There's time. I'm going to give it one more effort over in that area.

[2:01:48] And if not, we've identified some additional property owners that are more along Paradise Canyon area and so we'll continue to use

[2:01:52] those funds.

[2:01:57] The person who is in charge of the CWDG grant in the state.

[2:02:02] Is really pleased with the progress that we've been making.

[2:02:06] He has encouraged us to.

[2:02:09] Apply again The next funding cycle will be coming up this fall.

[2:02:13] Last time this project we are right at.

[2:02:17] 750,000.

[2:02:20] He would really like us to go very big in a request and and do anywhere from 5 to 10 million on the request.

[2:02:28] So we will be looking at different areas that we can do. The nice part about Lincoln County is we qualify for.

[2:02:36] An exemption from any kind of match.

[2:02:38] So it is 100% paid for.

[2:02:41] So if we can.

[2:02:43] Identify some areas and we're working with state forestry on that.

[2:02:47] Trying to really look at how we can take.

[2:02:50] The work we're doing on the buffer.

[2:02:52] And integrate these additional funds and really leverage it and do some very large.

[2:02:58] Land development as far as the thinning projects and that kind of thing, so.

[2:03:04] And when you're talking to people you know who own.

[2:03:07] Significant amounts of property, it's a big deal for them because it's.

[2:03:10] Expensive on a per acre basis. So for us to be able to come in and offer to do that at no cost.

[2:03:16] Is a great safety point for the county, but it also really helps them as far as the health of the property in the forest and that

[2:03:20] type of thing.

[2:03:24] The buffer thinning project we are.

[2:03:28] Over 1200 acres on that.

[2:03:30] We met yesterday and we are really right now we have just under out of that $5 million budget we have.

[2:03:38] Just a little over 900,000 left.

[2:03:40] To spend on that one.

[2:03:42] So we are also then working on the fastest I've ever spent money on thinning.

[2:03:47] And it's really great. I encourage you.

[2:03:50] To be able to take a look at River Downs, to be able to see it from the road and see the impact of how much better it looks is

[2:03:54] really nice.

[2:03:59] We are in the process of trying to submit.

[2:04:02] A Phase 2.

[2:04:03] Application to New Mexico Forestry division for that so that we can continue.

[2:04:08] That work and that positive impact.

[2:04:12] For the post South Fork fire EWP.

[2:04:15] The Egypt he regular umm.

[2:04:17] We still do have some funds left in that one, but we are doing.

[2:04:21] Waiting on engineering. We're doing a lot of different projects with that, but it is.

[2:04:26] Winding down out of that much.

[2:04:29] The buyout we have currently over 360 property owners.

[2:04:35] I am really thrilled to say that yes, we have closed on our first house.

[2:04:39] We have offers in the pipeline for people.

[2:04:44] It is, of course.

[2:04:45] Rumor do so we get a whole lot of phone calls from people going.

[2:04:50] We've heard you're out of money.

[2:04:51] Like, no, we're not.

[2:04:53] So we have.

[2:04:54] Really been been doing a lot of interaction with our property owners and.

[2:04:58] Advising them.

[2:04:59] That things are moving very, very well.

[2:05:02] It is umm.

[2:05:04] A great program, and it is.

[2:05:06] You know, for the speed of government, this is lightning.

[2:05:09] To be able to go from signing things in March and closing on the House in August.

[2:05:14] Is pretty phenomenal.

[2:05:15] To be able to do a property owner doesn't necessarily realize that, but looking at it from the outside in, it looks really, really

[2:05:19] good to be able to do that.

[2:05:24] And then lastly, our Smokey Bear Historic Park we did receive funding from.

[2:05:30] The state of New Mexico, we are in the process of doing a whole new design of their back area.

[2:05:36] And so that is almost completed.

[2:05:39] It's really taken a lot into account for being able to do handicap access. New interpretation.

[2:05:47] All of those types of things.

[2:05:49] Our next step with them once the design is done and we have contractor ready documents.

[2:05:55] That will then go look for funding to actually implement that and be able to build.

[2:06:00] The new design back there for the smokes and very historic.

[2:06:04] And that's pretty much.

[2:06:06] Everything I've got right now.

[2:06:08] Stand for any questions.

[2:06:10] Yes, ma'am, I want to thank you so much for.

[2:06:17] Hardening the community through all of these different projects and creating a more resilient Lincoln County.

[2:06:23] And.

[2:06:24] Murals work is so impactful and we're very grateful for you. Well, thank you. We enjoy doing it and like I said, when you can

[2:06:29] actually see the results, it's really exciting.

[2:06:34] To be able to to see the landscape change.

[2:06:38] I'd like to share those comments is this is.

[2:06:40] Tremendous.

[2:06:42] Safety and security of the communities.

[2:06:44] We talked about this in 2024.

[2:06:47] And it's coming to fruition, so it helps out.

[2:06:50] Property owners so that their houses don't burn up.

[2:06:53] People don't die.

[2:06:55] The fires can be contained.

[2:06:57] It also helps out the water.

[2:06:58] Situation A water table.

[2:07:00] In the watershed.

[2:07:02] So it's quite quite enormous and quite.

[2:07:04] Wonderful. And the fact that we're executing.

[2:07:08] I would say in.

[2:07:10] A little bit better than normal government time.

[2:07:13] Is is important? Because that's what.

[2:07:17] Generates interest at the legislature to continue.

[2:07:20] Funding this program.

[2:07:22] So that's very good. I would make one mention on the last.

[2:07:25] The Shared Stewardship Agreement has been has been signed.

[2:07:29] We've not done a good neighbor agreement and this is something.

[2:07:32] That has to be completed very quickly.

[2:07:35] So that we can actually.

[2:07:37] Work with the US Forest Service making sure that where they abut our wooly barriers or thinning projects.

[2:07:44] That we continue that progress there.

[2:07:47] And so, so that's something we're going to be working on. We are working on that. I know that state forestry has that same kind of

[2:07:51] mandate that we are.

[2:07:55] Trying to make.

[2:07:57] That happened, yes, and and utilize.

[2:08:00] Every tool we have.

[2:08:02] To be able to.

[2:08:03] Get more work done.

[2:08:05] For the landscape here in Lincoln County.

[2:08:08] There's nothing else, Commissioners, I would thank you.

[2:08:11] Very much.

[2:08:13] For the work you're doing.

[2:08:15] Thinking this stuff.

[2:08:19] Any other external ways?

[2:08:21] Committee, I don't know that we have.

[2:08:24] Anybody else?

[2:08:27] Fair board, we've got the fair board and I guess we've got.

[2:08:31] You, but we'll get you later. Fair board. Let's come on up and.

[2:08:36] I'm just here for.

[2:08:37] Yeah. I think we'll bring that up when we talk about talk about the program.

[2:08:44] And I, I think I don't see anybody else right at this point.

[2:08:51] Mr. Smokovich, you want to come on up and talk about?

[2:08:57] State Forestry.

[2:08:59] 00.

[2:09:02] Smokovich.

[2:09:03] District Forester, New Mexico State Forestry Division.

[2:09:08] So I I didn't necessarily have a.

[2:09:11] Presentation. This wasn't my normal.

[2:09:13] Rotation, but I would just say.

[2:09:17] I, I wanted to bring up, you know, with the good neighbor agreement.

[2:09:21] I think one of the next steps a very good one.

[2:09:24] Is bringing up all the input that we're getting from the community.

[2:09:28] At the.

[2:09:30] CWPP meetings so that we can identify.

[2:09:32] All the areas around the county that the public would like to see.

[2:09:36] Treated. Umm, uh.

[2:09:38] So that we can provide that to the US Forest Service.

[2:09:41] And and be able to.

[2:09:44] Jointly go forward and and.

[2:09:46] Put that this good work.

[2:09:49] Expand it.

[2:09:50] You see, it's doing that completing.

[2:09:53] Very quick time.

[2:09:56] Is that it?

[2:09:57] That's all I really had.

[2:09:59] For service.

[2:10:02] Good morning, Chairman Commissioner Amanda Ganith and Deputy Forest Supervisor for the Lincoln National Forest.

[2:10:13] We got our mouth done, so we got our data in, so we'll.

[2:10:17] I was just talking to Nick and we will wait with this.

[2:10:19] Or for state forestry to work with the county to get that data and overlay it. But.

[2:10:24] Ours is ready to go, so we're ready to make the next.

[2:10:27] Move forward and then.

[2:10:30] Schedule our meeting, our next meeting to go over the state stewardship Agreement and next.

[2:10:35] Next steps um.

[2:10:37] Let's see.

[2:10:39] Our closure order for Cedar Creek is expiring September 30th, however.

[2:10:44] Mayor Pro Temp.

[2:10:46] Rifle Stylus has asked me and asked me about.

[2:10:49] You know when his beloved Cedar Creek here is going to be open, but we're going to close it again, unfortunately.

[2:10:55] To do hazard tree removal, we're going to start that phase of of the disaster recovery project within that area.

[2:11:02] So hopefully a lot safer place for folks to go recreate on the trails.

[2:11:07] In the future.

[2:11:08] So that'll be happening after XTERRA event in mid-october.

[2:11:14] I keep it open for for.

[2:11:16] The bikers to use and then we'll close after that.

[2:11:22] Yeah, I think those are the biggest updates from the last from last month. We also the sunset fire is 100% contained as of last

[2:11:26] week.

[2:11:31] And that's really all that.

[2:11:32] Oh, he said. Unless there's any other questions from you.

[2:11:37] Any when's CC coming?

[2:11:40] How going back?

[2:11:41] She has been her and Jason will switch back.

[2:11:46] Mid-october.

[2:11:49] Thank you. We have for a little while longer.

[2:11:51] All right. Thank you very much.

[2:11:56] OK, now we'll go to.

[2:11:57] Apartments. First one will be the road department.

[2:12:01] See Jeff.

[2:12:02] That's your Honeycutt.

[2:12:14] Morning Chairman, Commissioners Jeff Honeycutt, Lincoln County Road Superintendent.

[2:12:20] I'll instead of going through all the projects that we have going on, everything is working on time. We're in line with our

[2:12:24] projects. If you have any specific questions about those.

[2:12:30] I'll be happy to answer them.

[2:12:32] Just to let you know, we were recently awarded.

[2:12:36] Through TPF.

[2:12:38] In the state, 2.5 million for Fort Lone Tree to finish that out.

[2:12:43] And also a $500,000 design grant for Devils Canyon.

[2:12:47] So we do not have fully executed agreements, but we do have the award letter.

[2:12:53] So those will be upcoming and.

[2:12:55] I'll bring those to you hopefully here in the next month or two.

[2:13:00] To let you know tomorrow.

[2:13:03] I will be meeting with pattern.

[2:13:06] They have requested to closeout.

[2:13:08] Their road work that they've been doing for the last.

[2:13:13] Couple of years.

[2:13:14] So we have a 9:00 AM meeting with pattern.

[2:13:17] And we'll be driving all of those roads and going through all the.

[2:13:22] Deficiencies that we find.

[2:13:24] And we need to get those roads put back together. We'll see what the initial meeting looks like and.

[2:13:29] Hopefully I'll have some information after that to bring to you guys in October.

[2:13:34] I'd like to see some pictures too.

[2:13:37] We do. We have several pictures. Several.

[2:13:41] Rolls of pictures that we did on stuff that we had reported to them earlier.

[2:13:46] There'll be some discussion about how the roads need to be put back together, but we videotaped every one of those roads before

[2:13:50] they ever use them.

[2:13:54] So we know exactly what they used to be.

[2:13:56] And we fully expect those to be put back.

[2:13:59] With you.

[2:14:01] Like they were before.

[2:14:02] Some cattle guard issues weren't there.

[2:14:04] We have cattle guards, we have culverts.

[2:14:07] And roadway issues.

[2:14:09] So we'll have to see.

[2:14:11] I've had some preliminary discussions with pattern about this and they kind of know what our expectations are.

[2:14:17] And we'll kind of put those in place in tomorrow.

[2:14:20] We'll be driving Bogle trans western de.

[2:14:24] Bonita Canyon Rd.

[2:14:26] We'll take care of all the ones that they've been using.

[2:14:31] And I'll answer any questions. I'll stand for any questions about projects or.

[2:14:35] That meeting?

[2:14:37] Commissioners.

[2:14:40] I know in the past we've had a lot of issues with pattern in their.

[2:14:44] And they're How do I want to say this?

[2:14:47] They're keeping up with the the.

[2:14:52] That how they how they used to be so.

[2:14:56] Are we on track or do you believe there's going to be a lot of work?

[2:15:01] Chairman Fisher. Commissioner Chavez, though.

[2:15:04] There'll be a lot of work entailed at getting these roads back to good.

[2:15:08] A lot of the roads are beat down to bedrock right now.

[2:15:11] And all of those roads started out with caliche.

[2:15:14] So caliche is going to have to be.

[2:15:17] Mind purchase delivered.

[2:15:19] Placed and those roads will have to be built back up.

[2:15:24] Probably 6 to 9 inches in some places.

[2:15:26] So it'll be a huge undertaking.

[2:15:29] But I think initially getting the agreement and we do have some background from 5 or 6 years ago.

[2:15:35] Working with pattern on what the expectations were.

[2:15:38] And they did come through on their part.

[2:15:41] The county actually did the.

[2:15:43] The blade work.

[2:15:44] And they provided the material in the water.

[2:15:46] So we'll look to see what kind of their thought is.

[2:15:50] This is a much larger scale project than what it was 5 or 6 years ago.

[2:15:54] So we'll look and see what their thoughts are on how we're going to approach this kind of moving forward.

[2:15:59] But we have.

[2:16:01] 6070 miles of Rd.

[2:16:03] That we are going to have to redo.

[2:16:05] Not counting the culverts and cattle guards.

[2:16:09] And that'll all fall under the road use agreement that they signed and agreed to.

[2:16:16] Anywhere else?

[2:16:18] I have a question regarding the Gaveling Canyon feasibility study with Pettigrew.

[2:16:24] I asked two weeks ago and the manager told me you were pulling a PO. Has that been completed? Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Sarna?

[2:16:28] That has.

[2:16:32] That that is.

[2:16:33] In Pettigrew's hands right now.

[2:16:35] And they should be starting that feasibility study.

[2:16:38] So you all have had the kickoff meeting and they're they've got their task order what they do.

[2:16:43] And I have their response of the $207,000 PO that we cut.

[2:16:48] So they will be starting work on that and that is the very beginning stages.

[2:16:53] That's kind of an initial.

[2:16:55] Type deal, they're going to do their.

[2:16:56] Their feasibility study will present that to the state. We'll see what qualifications do or don't meet.

[2:17:02] And then we'll have to take the next steps.

[2:17:05] That is in no way, shape or form a design.

[2:17:08] It's just going to be kind of the.

[2:17:10] The very beginning, opening that door to see if it's going to be a doable form.

[2:17:14] Project.

[2:17:16] I think we need to coordinate with the village of Rideau so and let them know of our progress made on this part and see where

[2:17:20] they're at with their high tea design so that.

[2:17:25] We're in lockstep with them as we move forward with this.

[2:17:28] Goal hopefully to create a more vibrant Midtown Rita so.

[2:17:32] I'll definitely contact Pettigrew and have them touch base with their engineering firm and see how that's all going to tie

[2:17:36] together, because it will.

[2:17:41] Eventually tie together there.

[2:17:43] On that end.

[2:17:48] Anything else?

[2:17:50] Tully and Co Bridges.

[2:17:53] Chairman Fisher, we do have an agenda item, I believe, about that.

[2:17:57] It has gone out to bid for the second time.

[2:18:00] It was.

[2:18:02] The bids were submitted. They came in a very similar.

[2:18:05] Price point.

[2:18:07] Which was a.

[2:18:08] A short ball from the money that was originally.

[2:18:11] Designated from FEMA.

[2:18:13] We have.

[2:18:15] Ask the District to engineer in Roswell to write us a letter similar to what he did for Otero County.

[2:18:22] Asking.

[2:18:23] That because of the bridge being in a rural area, the price points have.

[2:18:28] Typically going to be more than what FEMA has allowed us.

[2:18:31] So we're asking for more money from them.

[2:18:34] And with that letter from Francisco, hopefully that'll help.

[2:18:39] Kind of make that process happen.

[2:18:43] Yeah, there's it. It's gone from a problem to now.

[2:18:49] A real issue because of the timing.

[2:18:51] Right. It's been so long.

[2:18:53] And it is a significant shortfall in funding from what was bid twice.

[2:18:57] To what was allowed by FEMA.

[2:19:00] Let me ask you this since you got Pettigrew.

[2:19:03] Engineering company that did the design.

[2:19:06] On the repair of those bridges, correct?

[2:19:09] Yes, Sir, that is correct.

[2:19:10] Are they?

[2:19:12] Are they over engineering the?

[2:19:14] The solution?

[2:19:15] I mean, do you have any comment on that? Do you think there's a there's a way?

[2:19:19] I mean, if you look at it.

[2:19:22] You know, I'm not an actual engineer.

[2:19:25] Although I've been called 1.

[2:19:27] Among other things, by the way.

[2:19:30] Is there a way to confine?

[2:19:33] The uh.

[2:19:34] Work to what is required as opposed to.

[2:19:38] Something else?

[2:19:39] Sherman Fisher in my opinion, I drove Coal Canyon Bridge.

[2:19:43] Friday of last week.

[2:19:45] And FEMA had originally allocated $75,000 for the repair of Coal Canyon.

[2:19:51] The decking and the guardrails itself.

[2:19:54] Canopy actually are.

[2:19:57] It's not an issue at all.

[2:19:58] All the work that needs to take place on Co isn't going to be underneath.

[2:20:02] With the abutments.

[2:20:04] The money that was dedicated for Tully was $150,000 and that one is in much worse shape with the dangling guardrail, the canopy.

[2:20:13] And the decking issues?

[2:20:15] Both bridges are extremely narrow.

[2:20:17] Which we all know.

[2:20:19] I don't think it was over engineered.

[2:20:22] I think.

[2:20:23] Bringing in a contractor to this area, typically, like we discussed with District 2 engineer, those rural prices typically are.

[2:20:31] Extreme umm.

[2:20:33] The contractor that did bid both the job both times is out of Albuquerque.

[2:20:37] So you know when they're.

[2:20:40] You know $365,000 shortfall from the bid number that came into what we were allocated.

[2:20:45] So when do we expect an answer on that?

[2:20:48] Actually, King Industries and Charles has sent that letter in the information that was requested by the engineer.

[2:20:55] I saw that e-mail stream yesterday, so hopefully Cisco can get us a.

[2:20:59] A letter generated and we can get some.

[2:21:02] Information back from.

[2:21:06] DFA whoever we need to talk to about that.

[2:21:09] We'll be following that closely, as we have been all along.

[2:21:13] Anything else?

[2:21:15] Thank you.

[2:21:16] It's an oozing sore that needs to be lanced.

[2:21:19] Me or the?

[2:21:20] Bridge.

[2:21:29] Let's look at the facilities as Kingston.

[2:21:33] Thanks please.

[2:21:37] Sir.

[2:21:41] Good morning, Mr. Fisher.

[2:21:43] Commissioners.

[2:21:44] Want to say.

[2:21:48] James Barr assets and facilities.

[2:21:52] The city operations are continuing. It's a bit slow.

[2:21:55] I mean the last couple months.

[2:21:59] Minor issues that we've added. This is what balances and lights AC units.

[2:22:03] The board.

[2:22:05] Has been.

[2:22:07] Going bad on this due to electricity problems.

[2:22:09] The allergies.

[2:22:10] That's really causing havoc on Macy's.

[2:22:16] Other Nat.

[2:22:18] Everything has been running fine.

[2:22:20] We haven't had any major breakdowns.

[2:22:23] We are. I am replacing.

[2:22:25] The main shoreline from the.

[2:22:26] Extension Office.

[2:22:28] It's plugged up after 30 some years.

[2:22:34] Of parking lots.

[2:22:36] The price between.

[2:22:37] Probably March.

[2:22:39] Till now it's increased quite a bit.

[2:22:42] Oil. So I'm looking at it's increased over ten $10,000 money.

[2:22:49] We're holding back. I've been with Jeff.

[2:22:51] We were setting up a meeting, maybe we can get some better.

[2:22:53] Quotes prices.

[2:22:57] So hopefully we can get that done before.

[2:22:59] It gets too cold.

[2:23:00] We don't have a lot of time left.

[2:23:04] Anything else, Commissioner?

[2:23:07] Thank you very much for what you do.

[2:23:09] Oh, you're welcome.

[2:23:11] And we do have a.

[2:23:12] Position available.

[2:23:17] Maintenance operator mats.

[2:23:20] So if you know anybody wants to put in, that's fine.

[2:23:25] Too bad.

[2:23:27] Senior Services.

[2:23:31] Adam Montes.

[2:23:34] Good morning.

[2:23:35] Chairman, Fisher Commissioners Renee Montes, Senior Services Director.

[2:23:39] I really don't have a whole lot to report today.

[2:23:41] We're just business as usual. I'll give you a full first quarter report next month.

[2:23:46] When I come in with a number of units and amount of people and.

[2:23:49] Right now we're doing right about normal what we would.

[2:23:52] Be at our.

[2:23:54] Transportation units have increased.

[2:23:57] The requests have gone up for transportation with the price of gasoline. I'm sure that the seniors are.

[2:24:04] Appreciating that we can.

[2:24:07] Take them to their doctor's appointments and.

[2:24:09] And things so they we have seen an increase in transportation.

[2:24:14] Now.

[2:24:15] We have hired new person at Corona. We finally have a cook.

[2:24:19] In Corona, so we're very excited about that.

[2:24:22] We have a cook in Hondo.

[2:24:24] And so are we are fully staffed for the money.

[2:24:27] The first time since about April.

[2:24:29] That we have been fully staffed.

[2:24:33] Understand for any questions.

[2:24:34] Thank you.

[2:24:35] Is there anything from the Commission?

[2:24:37] Thank you ma'am very much.

[2:24:39] Appreciate you.

[2:24:41] Office of Emergency Services.

[2:24:49] Good morning, Chairman Fisher, Commissioners.

[2:24:51] Aaron, 31, fire service administrator.

[2:24:54] So looking back to August.

[2:24:57] Your Volunteer Fire departments ran 32 calls for service.

[2:25:00] Including two structure fires, 2 brush fires.

[2:25:03] 17 motor vehicle accidents.

[2:25:06] Two gas calls.

[2:25:07] Four false alarms, one control burn, 2 EMS assists, and two flooding calls.

[2:25:14] I wanted to give everybody an update this morning on the Monument Fire, which is the fire we had over the weekend about 8 miles

[2:25:17] South of Hondo.

[2:25:22] The majority of that fire was located on the Rio Hondo Landing Cattle Company.

[2:25:27] Actually within their high fence, within their.

[2:25:29] Their elk area.

[2:25:31] Fire We caught the fire at 572 acres.

[2:25:36] I got word this morning actually that they raised the containment on that to 90%.

[2:25:41] So the fire is looking very, very good.

[2:25:44] One thing that really surprised us with this fire was.

[2:25:47] I mean, we're.

[2:25:48] Into the middle of September already and we were seeing high to extreme fire behavior throughout the the event.

[2:25:53] Saturday.

[2:25:55] So that's that's a.

[2:25:56] Pretty great concern to us why we're seeing such extreme fiery behavior this late into the year.

[2:26:01] It is is still very dry once you get South of Hwy. 70 in that Hondo area.

[2:26:07] The departments that responded to that fire were the.

[2:26:10] Valley Fire Department, Glencoe.

[2:26:12] Lincoln, Arabella, New Mexico State Forestry.

[2:26:16] United States Forest Service and the OAS Office.

[2:26:19] So shout out to all those guys for catching that fire as quick as they did. I mean, it was.

[2:26:23] That fire was actually moving pretty good.

[2:26:26] And then a quick update on the Guyanese Tower project.

[2:26:29] The Guyanus tower was turned. The new guy in his tower was turned on yesterday. It was tested. It is operational.

[2:26:35] We have a few tweaks to make but that.

[2:26:38] Project is coming to a close here pretty quick it is.

[2:26:41] Online. Umm.

[2:26:42] So with that, I'll stand for any questions.

[2:26:47] Commissioners.

[2:26:49] Yes, Sir. Good.

[2:26:50] Mr. Green One, when have you heard back from the state?

[2:26:54] Proposing to limit fire restrictions for being patched aid in Mexico.

[2:26:59] I have not yet, I'm sorry.

[2:27:00] Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Feather, I have not heard when they're going to lift their fire restrictions yet. I sent an e-mail

[2:27:05] over to the fire management officer yesterday, but I believe he's out on R&R.

[2:27:10] He just got back from a fire up north so I'm just waiting for him to get back in the office and touch base with him.

[2:27:18] I will tell you An Arabella.

[2:27:20] It is correctly DRY.

[2:27:22] Haven't had any rain.

[2:27:25] Question on on Arabella.

[2:27:27] They they do not have the ability to pump water from their tanks.

[2:27:32] In the event of loss of Tarot County electorate.

[2:27:36] They need a generator. At least that's what.

[2:27:38] The report I got, we have any?

[2:27:40] Notion about that, You know what's going on there. Chairman Fisher, The Erbella Vol Volunteer Fire Department has a generator.

[2:27:47] I know it supplies their fire station. I do not know if that is hooked into their their pump. I think that's the point.

[2:27:54] So then I will, I will talk with Chief Stark out at that.

[2:27:57] Fire department and see what we can do about getting.

[2:28:00] That run over to their pump as well.

[2:28:02] I don't see why that it's a pretty large generator. I don't see why it wouldn't operate bull.

[2:28:06] Yeah, I'd appreciate that.

[2:28:09] Particularly as dry as it is out there.

[2:28:11] Yes, Sir.

[2:28:12] There's nothing else. We you have a question? Yes, ma'am.

[2:28:15] So with this restriction that Commissioner Prather spoke of, you have not been able to do anything with the.

[2:28:23] Training that you were going to have at Hwy. 220 in Rio Felix.

[2:28:27] Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Serna, that is correct. We have not been able to do any burns on that pile due to the restrictions.

[2:28:34] The way that's kind of playing out is the states fire restrictions.

[2:28:37] Are for all non municipal, non tribal, non federal lands, so that includes all the unincorporated areas of Lincoln County.

[2:28:44] So until they lift their restrictions, we cannot lift our restrictions and it's.

[2:28:49] It's just not right for us to go out and burn if we're not letting the general public burn.

[2:28:53] And it's not safe either.

[2:28:56] So I would just like to understand, as our Director of Emergency Services, you don't have any concerns since you just stated we

[2:29:00] have moderate to severe fire danger.

[2:29:05] With the pile that's accumulated.

[2:29:08] On Hwy. 70 and then the wind that we have at Hwy. 220.

[2:29:14] That area.

[2:29:16] Chairman. Fisher, Commissioner. That area along Hwy. 220 has received more rain than most areas in the county.

[2:29:22] I don't think that we would see the extreme fire behavior out of that area that we are seeing down South and on the eastern side

[2:29:26] of the county right now.

[2:29:30] I'm not saying it's not a concern.

[2:29:32] And that it doesn't need to be mitigated in the future.

[2:29:36] But right now, I don't think that we would see the the extreme fire behavior in that area that we're seeing South and east of that

[2:29:40] area.

[2:29:44] And the stockpiling on Hwy. 70 is not of.

[2:29:47] Concern.

[2:29:49] I haven't even seen the pile on Hwy. 70 yet. That's in the city of Ruidoso Downs.

[2:29:55] I can get with the Ruidoso Downs chief and go down and look at that if that's the direction of the Commission.

[2:30:01] You can see see what that one entails.

[2:30:06] I think it would be a bad thing.

[2:30:08] Be aware.

[2:30:10] But what's what's there?

[2:30:12] Make a comment I would have on that is that.

[2:30:15] Commission is well aware.

[2:30:17] Of these problems.

[2:30:18] And we are trying to find solutions.

[2:30:23] The Commission is aware, but if our director of emergency services is unaware of a pile that's a hazard to the public, that's a

[2:30:27] concern.

[2:30:32] Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Serna I I am aware of the pile in the downs, I just have not seen it yet.

[2:30:38] I have not had the time to go down there and drive around that pile like I have the one on 2/20.

[2:30:45] Anything else?

[2:30:49] Hearing who's responsible for that pile in the Downs.

[2:30:52] So that.

[2:30:53] Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Chavez.

[2:30:56] That pile falls within the city of Ruidoso Downs.

[2:30:58] So the responsibility for any fire starts down there would lie on the city of Ruidoso Downs Fire Department.

[2:31:03] OK. Thank you.

[2:31:09] Hearing no other questions.

[2:31:10] Thank you very much.

[2:31:16] Who am I missing?

[2:31:17] Finance department, but I think we'll do that.

[2:31:20] When we get to the to that.

[2:31:22] Budget.

[2:31:23] So forth.

[2:31:26] HR.

[2:31:28] Please.

[2:31:31] Yeah.

[2:31:36] Good morning, Commissioner Fisher, Commissioners.

[2:31:39] Jenna Gallardo, human resources Manager.

[2:31:42] Just some, really.

[2:31:43] Good news Updates.

[2:31:45] From my department, we fully staffed the Senior Center.

[2:31:48] As of last week.

[2:31:51] I got with New Mexico County safety inspector out of Roswell, Angelo.

[2:31:56] Groule, we went and did safety inspections of all county.

[2:32:01] Buildings.

[2:32:03] A couple days ago I should be getting that report.

[2:32:06] Sometime later this week and then me and James will work together because we've been working to rebuild a safety panel.

[2:32:13] And to make sure all of that is up to date and what we should be doing.

[2:32:16] I also scheduled with him CPR certification classes for who needs it for the county to help out Renee with the Senior Center who

[2:32:20] needs it.

[2:32:24] OES and the Sheriff's Office.

[2:32:29] We also hired on a certified deputy for the Sheriff's Office.

[2:32:33] We've got applications for openings for the road department for their opening of mechanic and Operator 2.

[2:32:40] We have a maintenance position open. We've received a lot of applications for that. So I'll be getting with James for.

[2:32:46] Us to schedule up some interviews now that we've got a substantial amount of those.

[2:32:52] Me and James have also been working.

[2:32:54] Diligently to be proactive for our insurance claims with New Mexico counties to stay on top of that.

[2:32:59] For all of our departments to make sure that we're doing what we need to do so we can get our vehicles up and going if there's any

[2:33:03] deficiencies.

[2:33:07] Me and finance, we've been working a lot smoother with Tyler for payroll actions. We've been seeing a good flow.

[2:33:14] Now that we've kind of got a hang of.

[2:33:16] The routes that we need to be taking for that new system.

[2:33:20] And I was also able to schedule a para representative to come down on Monday, October 26th.

[2:33:26] At 1:00 and 3:00 to have a presentation for all of our employees and to help answer any.

[2:33:32] Questions towards benefits, retirement and any other related matters.

[2:33:36] And I stand for any questions.

[2:33:40] Commissioners.

[2:33:43] Very good. I'm sorry.

[2:33:45] Have you been able to send out the employee satisfaction survey we talked about? I actually had solidified that, Commissioner

[2:33:48] Serna.

[2:33:53] Two days before I went on military leave and I will be sending it out.

[2:33:57] I had just gotten back about a week ago.

[2:34:02] I like the safety inspections a lot. I like the para.

[2:34:05] Proactive.

[2:34:07] Thank you. Appreciate what you're doing.

[2:34:09] Thank you.

[2:34:10] Thank you.

[2:34:12] So I think we have the planning and strategic resilience department.

[2:34:19] Mr.

[2:34:25] Thank you, Commissioners Ross Coleman, Director of Strategic Planning and Resilience.

[2:34:30] Just a few things to update you on.

[2:34:33] The Behavioral.

[2:34:34] Report that you and Otero County.

[2:34:37] Agreed to.

[2:34:39] August 24th.

[2:34:41] I was subsequently approved by Muscular Apache Tribe on September the 3rd.

[2:34:45] And that report was sent up to the Health Care Authority shortly after their meeting.

[2:34:50] They're going to have a meeting.

[2:34:53] For the approval by the executive Committee.

[2:34:55] On October the 6th in Santa Fe, and I'll be in attendance for that because they're probably going to have some questions.

[2:35:01] And we expect that plan to be approved.

[2:35:04] Regarding the shooting range.

[2:35:06] We've been in contact with Milo.

[2:35:09] And they expect that the modular containers.

[2:35:12] Will probably be ready.

[2:35:15] Late October. Early November.

[2:35:17] So we're commencing the underground work, which is the electric concrete.

[2:35:21] And so forth so we can be ready for that delivery.

[2:35:24] If by chance we're not ready.

[2:35:26] They're going to put those containers to the back of the facility while we get everything straightened up, and then they'll come

[2:35:29] back and move them into place.

[2:35:33] So that's.

[2:35:35] That's that's occurring pretty quickly.

[2:35:38] The IHS database for indigent care that you'll approved.

[2:35:41] Went up live last week.

[2:35:43] So we're starting to get into that. We're starting to work on payments and Billings, so.

[2:35:48] I don't know if next month will be ready to give you a report, but hopefully by November.

[2:35:54] We'll be able to capture some data.

[2:35:56] See what kind of savings we have? See how that's working?

[2:35:59] Provide you.

[2:36:00] You know the types of trends and and some of those items that y'all been asking for.

[2:36:06] Then on our strategic water, I I told you last time, Modesto Chavez is complete.

[2:36:12] Copper Ridge is almost complete. Looks like they just have a few things left and then over here.

[2:36:17] And no gal, looks like they're doing some underground work, probably some piping. They have an area cordoned off so.

[2:36:23] I'll be getting with the contractor to follow up.

[2:36:25] And see when that thing will be ready to be tested and approved.

[2:36:29] So that's what I have right now if you have any questions.

[2:36:35] Commission.

[2:36:37] Can you elaborate on the shooting range?

[2:36:40] Who is the contractor on the?

[2:36:44] On the On the what?

[2:36:45] The shooting range.

[2:36:46] So right now we have.

[2:36:50] What's that guy's name? The architect Yaboto.

[2:36:54] Yamamoto is the architect. Pettigrew I believe was also looking at that.

[2:36:59] And then I think we are looking into White Sands for doing some of the actual work and then Otero Electric.

[2:37:07] Is going to connect the three phase.

[2:37:09] Electrical up, so they've got to put a transformer.

[2:37:12] Run a line up to the.

[2:37:13] To the building. So those are the.

[2:37:15] The people that we're working with currently, right now.

[2:37:18] He procured it through state price agreements. Is that what you did?

[2:37:22] Mr. Chairman, Commissioner.

[2:37:24] We have procured this using our current on call contract. We presented that to you here a few months ago on how that's what we're

[2:37:28] going to proceed and that's what we're working towards right now.

[2:37:33] Oh, they could do it the quickest and the cheapest.

[2:37:36] Yes.

[2:37:38] Well, as we're doing.

[2:37:40] A pseudo design bill.

[2:37:43] We're working with them.

[2:37:45] To make sure that we fit the project within the budget.

[2:37:48] So that we can have everything ready that when it shows up.

[2:37:57] You may want to listen to the end.

[2:38:00] Uh, towards the end of the meeting for the sheriff's request because.

[2:38:04] I think that you'll be able to.

[2:38:07] His needs into this project.

[2:38:09] Yes, ma'am.

[2:38:13] OK. Thank you very much.

[2:38:21] I think we're going to elected officials now.

[2:38:25] Chair foot, please.

[2:38:28] You have anything left?

[2:38:36] Mr. Chairman Fisher, Commissioners Michael Wood, your Lincoln County Sheriff House.

[2:38:40] Briefly share with you real fast.

[2:38:43] Some statistics generated by my office since we met last.

[2:38:48] In the last 30 days or so, we have affected.

[2:38:51] Perform 16 arrests.

[2:38:53] Answer 309 calls for service.

[2:38:56] Investigated 74 incidents.

[2:39:00] We received from the court 16 arrest warrants. We serve 213.

[2:39:05] Civil process papers.

[2:39:08] And responded to 34.

[2:39:12] Freedom of Information Act requests.

[2:39:15] Also issue 55 traffic citations investigated.

[2:39:20] 20A motor vehicle accidents.

[2:39:24] So there's a rundown of some of my stats in the last 30 days.

[2:39:27] I'm prepared to tell you that I'm very happy, very proud, and that we have 0 openings within my office at this moment. I hired a.

[2:39:35] As HR.

[2:39:37] Noted. A little bit ago I hired a certified deputy from Roswell.

[2:39:40] So we have absolutely 0 openings.

[2:39:43] All my positions.

[2:39:46] And another caveat to that is.

[2:39:48] Finally, uh.

[2:39:50] You know, I've worked since day one.

[2:39:52] School resource deputy in this county, we never had one. Ever.

[2:39:56] And for the last couple of years, we finally have had one.

[2:39:59] He's been the current school resource deputy has been.

[2:40:04] Sharing her services with two county schools.

[2:40:07] Right Hondo and Corona.

[2:40:09] A long ways apart.

[2:40:10] Long ways apart, so.

[2:40:13] This.

[2:40:14] Having been being full staff now is going to allow us within the month to commit.

[2:40:19] Another school resource deputy specifically to Corona.

[2:40:23] So and it'll be a bifurcated mission in that this deputy sheriff because that's that's just in my in my office, that's District 3

[2:40:28] everything from 380 N.

[2:40:32] County line West, County line North and county line E That is all District 3.

[2:40:37] And it encompasses a large.

[2:40:40] Large area geographically.

[2:40:42] So in the event something does occur in that area and the school resource deputy happens to be close enough to.

[2:40:49] Render aid or.

[2:40:52] Stop the bleeding, whatever necessary. Then they'll be called upon to do so. But the big.

[2:40:55] Picture here is that for the first time in forever, we're going to have two school resource deputies, so we're very excited about

[2:40:58] that.

[2:41:03] I'm going to end mine on a high note and I consider that a high note, so I would I would stand for questions.

[2:41:10] Commissioners.

[2:41:11] Thank you for all your good work.

[2:41:13] Thank you, Sir.

[2:41:14] Thank you, Sir. Thank you.

[2:41:21] The assessor, Sir, thank you.

[2:41:26] Do you have any questions?

[2:41:31] Thank you, Sir.

[2:41:36] County Clerk.

[2:41:38] Ma'am, Yes, Sir. Commissioners, right now we.

[2:41:43] As you guys know, we are in the middle of our election.

[2:41:46] The first day for absentee ballots to go out in the mail will be.

[2:41:50] On October 6.

[2:41:52] We have started the new permanent absentee.

[2:41:56] That has been we've had quite a few people sign up for.

[2:41:59] We sent out notices on.

[2:42:01] Monday.

[2:42:02] Yesterday.

[2:42:03] To 607.

[2:42:05] People that are currently signed up for permanent absentee letting them know.

[2:42:09] That they are signed up and.

[2:42:11] They don't need to do anything in order to receive that ballot, so those notices went out yesterday.

[2:42:16] So people getting those, they also we had noticed this sent out on Friday.

[2:42:22] And that is the notice of election. Just letting everybody know.

[2:42:24] That there is an election going on, dates, times, locations, that type of information.

[2:42:29] As I said, absentee first we can mail out is October 6th.

[2:42:33] That will also be when early voting begins in our office.

[2:42:37] And then early voting in Ruidoso will be after that.

[2:42:41] And then obviously Election Day is November 3rd.

[2:42:44] We also will start.

[2:42:46] This weekend on Saturday, sending out our Uokaba ballot.

[2:42:51] And that is the Uniformed Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.

[2:42:55] Those are our military voters and our citizens that are.

[2:42:59] Overseas at the at the time.

[2:43:01] Those ballots will start going out.

[2:43:02] This Saturday.

[2:43:04] So the election is.

[2:43:07] Here, Yeah.

[2:43:08] So we're just trying to encourage everybody to get out and vote.

[2:43:11] And make sure that that their voice is heard and that.

[2:43:15] They do get out and vote either absentee early or Election Day. They they have lots of opportunities.

[2:43:20] That's what happened.

[2:43:21] Thank you.

[2:43:24] Madam Treasure.

[2:43:36] Good morning, Chair Fischers Commissioner Sherry Huddleston, Lincoln County Treasurer.

[2:43:41] Just to let you know, um.

[2:43:44] August 13th we did have a property tax sale in Lincoln County.

[2:43:48] We started off with 92 properties. We ended up selling 30.

[2:43:52] It brought in about $290,000. Only 29,000 of that was actually property taxes.

[2:43:59] So those.

[2:44:00] Owners of the properties or.

[2:44:03] Relatives or whatever, because a lot of the properties people didn't want, we contacted them.

[2:44:08] And they did not want them.

[2:44:10] So they can.

[2:44:11] Request to get those excess funds.

[2:44:14] And they can get those, you know, returned to them by the state.

[2:44:17] We are working currently with our auditor.

[2:44:20] They're asking for a lot of documentation, so.

[2:44:22] We've been putting all kinds of information through the portal for them.

[2:44:27] We are still working with Tyler.

[2:44:31] We're working in both programs still with Triadic and Tyler.

[2:44:34] And I have to say hands off to our staff, they have been working.

[2:44:40] Diligently. Many hours.

[2:44:42] Troy for heading it up. It's amazing.

[2:44:45] The amount of data that he's having to put in there.

[2:44:48] We've gotten.

[2:44:49] Our taxes for the last 10 years between the two programs.

[2:44:54] The auditor said about $20 he would.

[2:44:57] Except we're down to $0.68.

[2:44:59] The difference in taxes.

[2:45:00] So that's been a lot and I.

[2:45:03] Hands off.

[2:45:04] To Troy and everybody in our.

[2:45:06] The treasurer's office, it's amazing.

[2:45:09] We still are having some issues with Tyler on our distribution.

[2:45:13] We're having to still do it out of triadic.

[2:45:15] And they're still working on it. It's been about what, 5 weeks we are waiting for them.

[2:45:21] To get the data.

[2:45:22] Input it correctly.

[2:45:24] It's the special districts that's kind of kicking it off.

[2:45:27] Apparently Lincoln County has a lot of special districts, so that's been kind of a problem and.

[2:45:34] I stand for questions.

[2:45:41] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, while I have the.

[2:45:43] Treasure up here.

[2:45:46] To add on to her, Tyler tried it and the concerns that they might have. We are going to be scheduling a.

[2:45:51] Town Hall, I think we agreed on September 29th is what we said.

[2:45:57] That E and MU in the large presentation room.

[2:46:01] To kind of.

[2:46:03] Inform the public of.

[2:46:05] Transitional concerns that there might be to inform them.

[2:46:09] Please check your bills.

[2:46:10] Please provide them with the information that if they think there might be a mistake, where they can go to check it.

[2:46:16] Just so we can make every sure everyone has the information.

[2:46:19] On their tax bills as they go out this year and we're in transition.

[2:46:22] That's just that's how these large transitions and startups go. There's never going to be one that's perfect, but we're working

[2:46:26] through the issues.

[2:46:29] As.

[2:46:31] As we find them so.

[2:46:32] And Friday we did meet with the.

[2:46:35] Some of the major title companies in town, the assessors and the treasurer's office.

[2:46:39] And we did provide them with information about the transition and what to expect on their title searches because?

[2:46:47] If a ranch has.

[2:46:48] 50 UPC codes on one bill right now in Tyler.

[2:46:52] They're going to get 50 bills.

[2:46:54] With it, it's going to be a lot.

[2:46:56] So we worked with them. We kind of, you know.

[2:46:59] I think Troy is going to go back and do some training of how they can actually input that data into the spreadsheet online for

[2:47:03] Tyler.

[2:47:07] And they were.

[2:47:09] Very.

[2:47:11] Happy with our.

[2:47:12] Letting them know what's coming up so.

[2:47:15] A lot of them haven't worked with Tyler before and a few of them have.

[2:47:20] Because I think Colorado has it and they're kind of familiar with that and, you know, Chavez County.

[2:47:26] Otero County, so it depends on where the properties sell, but they were very appreciative that we did go and talk to them. The

[2:47:33] assessor had some other documents that he presented to them about property tax division requires.

[2:47:40] It was really good meetings and.

[2:47:42] Stanford, any questions on that?

[2:47:45] That means that the bills will be mailed individually.

[2:47:49] If they have.

[2:47:51] That would be more of a assessor question, but if they actually have value on them.

[2:47:55] So they may put the value on one.

[2:47:58] And then we in turn in our office can do like a mortgage company file.

[2:48:03] And take that one owner and link all of those to it.

[2:48:07] And then that way when they do pay.

[2:48:10] You know they will get if they have value, they will get 50 bills.

[2:48:13] So if each UPC code has a value on it, they will get 50 bills.

[2:48:17] And that's why we increased our budget this year for postage and things like that.

[2:48:22] It's more of an assessor question, but.

[2:48:25] You can find it.

[2:48:29] We get all the data from the assessor's office.

[2:48:32] Good morning, everybody. Leroy Memorial, Lincoln County Assessor.

[2:48:35] Uh, treasure treasure ODL Spoon is correct.

[2:48:39] The way that the data is laid out.

[2:48:42] In our system right now.

[2:48:44] Netflix there's a ranch that has 50 individual UPC's 50 different parcels.

[2:48:49] Than in tighter the way it works is it it creates a bill for eqpc. It's not necessarily owner based like it wasn't triadic.

[2:48:57] But there are ways.

[2:48:58] That we're finding out to clean this up.

[2:49:01] But right now our our main focus is to get.

[2:49:04] These erroneous.

[2:49:06] Accounts corrected I think we've corrected over 4500 accounts.

[2:49:11] And that either had missing models.

[2:49:14] Mismatched taxing areas, it goes on and on. So our focus right now.

[2:49:20] Is to correct these errors that are going to affect the tax bills.

[2:49:24] So we are focusing 1000% on that up until the day that we have to create the tax rolls, send it to the treasurer so that she can

[2:49:27] submit it to be printed.

[2:49:32] And even after the tax bills are mailed out, we're going to continue to.

[2:49:37] To look at these accounts and be finding errors, then we'll.

[2:49:40] And.

[2:49:43] And we do have an insert going with each tax bill.

[2:49:46] Let them know to look at it. If they have any questions, contact our offices.

[2:49:51] We put both phone numbers on there and we anticipate that.

[2:49:55] We're going to have some errors, but you know, I think every transition does, they're going to have some.

[2:50:02] Fixes on them so.

[2:50:05] We're trying to do our due diligence to get everything out there, let the public know, let the you know, community know. So that's

[2:50:08] why we're having the community.

[2:50:13] Outreach.

[2:50:14] The 29th.

[2:50:16] Like your focus?

[2:50:17] To make sure that they're accurate.

[2:50:19] And then we'll figure out the.

[2:50:21] Bringing those together so we have one Bill.

[2:50:24] Do you anticipate being?

[2:50:26] Through your audit before the bills go out completely or what?

[2:50:30] When is that?

[2:50:32] Getting through the corrections.

[2:50:34] Oh yeah, I mean, we're going to do our best I can.

[2:50:37] Promise anything because this.

[2:50:39] So many corrections that we receive on a weekly basis, it seems like.

[2:50:43] We just received another one yesterday and was 600 errors.

[2:50:47] So we're going to our staff is concentrating on that this week.

[2:50:52] I mean, I can't guarantee you, but we're doing our best.

[2:50:54] That's all I can say. I could promise that we are.

[2:50:57] Dedicating every single day, every single hour.

[2:51:01] You have to be done.

[2:51:03] October. What did you say?

[2:51:07] October you have about a month.

[2:51:09] That's the deadline to mail.

[2:51:11] No, that's to get the data file to the.

[2:51:14] Printers so they can print it? Yeah, I have to have a mail by November 1st.

[2:51:19] You all pay $0.82 a stamp like the regular person or do you get a book? Great.

[2:51:24] We have a great.

[2:51:26] I don't know.

[2:51:27] I think it's $0.74 or 60%.

[2:51:30] I'm trying to think before.

[2:51:32] I think I think it's less.

[2:51:35] You know we give you a break.

[2:51:36] And they can combine all the bills into one envelope if they have the same exact name.

[2:51:41] Our printers are good for that.

[2:51:44] That's what I wanted to hear.

[2:51:45] Thank you.

[2:51:49] Come down here too.

[2:51:51] Spinners training thought cheaped up any treasure.

[2:51:54] We did already get a quote for the postage. It's a lot less than what we were anticipating.

[2:52:00] With the file that we were able to send to them for the test, they're kind of giving us.

[2:52:04] Like 17,000 for the postage and we budgeted what did we think 2525.

[2:52:10] So it is going to be increased, but from what we're seeing.

[2:52:16] It's not what we were anticipating.

[2:52:18] And so the 15th of October is the date that we have to get the.

[2:52:23] Final file to the printers in order to get them out by November 1st.

[2:52:27] So we will get the file sooner from the assessors because what we do in our office is we send that file to the printers early.

[2:52:34] They send us samples. We have a request, so we check the box for every single type of.

[2:52:41] Taxing authority.

[2:52:43] Exemption.

[2:52:44] We check all of those and then they send us. It's about.

[2:52:49] 100 accounts.

[2:52:51] They'll send us the samples.

[2:52:52] We'll do our manual calculations, make sure everything's showing up.

[2:52:56] And then that's whenever we'll give the go ahead on October 15th.

[2:53:01] But also to go off of that so the D change.

[2:53:05] The cutoff already hit on Friday.

[2:53:08] For the changes for the 2026.

[2:53:11] Taxes. So any of the deeds that are currently being recorded in the clerk's office.

[2:53:15] Those ownership changes will not reflect in the 2026 tax bills. Those are going to reflect in the 2027.

[2:53:21] Title companies are aware, that's why we went and spoke with them. They have handouts to give to each of the buyers.

[2:53:27] To notify them to contact us.

[2:53:30] That, uh.

[2:53:31] So we can get them a copy of their bill because it'll have the previous owner.

[2:53:35] So we're hitting the check marks right now and we're pretty close to.

[2:53:39] Calculating.

[2:53:40] Yeah, very good Commissioners. Anything else?

[2:53:47] Thank you.

[2:53:48] Thank you man.

[2:53:50] Mr. Manager.

[2:53:52] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, all the.

[2:53:55] I just got to be very brief. I know we got to put other things to do.

[2:53:58] Just quick on the EWP.

[2:54:02] As an update, I know we had a conversation on that here on Wednesday.

[2:54:05] Pretty in-depth, detailed update.

[2:54:08] I just kind of numbers we have 366 properties that have applied.

[2:54:12] 264 that we have.

[2:54:14] Appraisals Ordered 84 of those appraisals have been received, 44 of them have been completed and reviewed.

[2:54:20] Then we're gonna have 18.

[2:54:22] For you today to.

[2:54:23] For consideration to proceed on to final offers.

[2:54:26] So with that we've had 4 to date that are complete and have.

[2:54:31] Offers on them and we'll review those today as well.

[2:54:35] So that's moving along very well. We're starting the planning process to try to look at some of the demos with some that come up

[2:54:39] just so that we have a plan in place and the coordination in in.

[2:54:44] And we move forward with this efficiently as we've been talking and discussing.

[2:54:49] As we just mentioned, we are going to schedule a town hall on September 29th to talk tax rates.

[2:54:54] So we will get that out. We'll get that advertised as we get that finalized at BNM you.

[2:55:00] In regards to Bonita Lake.

[2:55:02] We have spoke with.

[2:55:03] The city of Alamogordo.

[2:55:05] They have another.

[2:55:07] Council meeting on September 22nd.

[2:55:10] That they're going to discuss this and then after that they're going to have further direction from the city.

[2:55:15] In regards to which way they might be interested in proceeding and evaluating. So we'll have some further discussions with that

[2:55:19] and bring that back to you with options and hopefully some.

[2:55:24] A presentation on what?

[2:55:27] We can do to ensure that stays open.

[2:55:29] And, and I know we've touched on it and there's still some furthering concerns on the pile at 2:20.

[2:55:38] In addition, the supporting Aaron and trying to find times to schedule the trainings, we have been talking with Miss Laura and

[2:55:41] Nick.

[2:55:44] About alternatives with what we can do.

[2:55:46] Because at the end of the day, the.

[2:55:49] We don't anticipate the we program stopping. That's something that's a program we want to continue.

[2:55:54] And until we could find a permanent solution for what we're taking out of there instead of just piling it up at different

[2:55:57] locations throughout the county.

[2:56:00] We need to have final destination disposal.

[2:56:04] As Nick or I think as Miss Laura mentioned earlier, we are working on coordination with A.

[2:56:09] Phase two proposal for additional funding to continue that program, which will include final destination disposal.

[2:56:16] So we understand that we need to have a final solution.

[2:56:21] And we are working on.

[2:56:22] Multiple options on that.

[2:56:24] OK.

[2:56:33] Any questions, Commissioners?

[2:56:36] We're going to we're going to talk later about the.

[2:56:39] The Fairgrounds.

[2:56:40] Yes, Sir.

[2:56:41] So we'll wait to that.

[2:56:47] Since there's nothing else being asked.

[2:56:50] Commented on. Let's move on to commissioners. Commissioner Wilson, do you have something to?

[2:56:55] Just very briefly, Mr. Chairman, and the.

[2:56:58] Thanks to this movie.

[2:56:59] Pool room this morning.

[2:57:00] Very healthy as long as we can.

[2:57:02] Maintain a certain level of decorum. I think this is.

[2:57:05] This is what's been talked about all morning. It's we, the people.

[2:57:08] A lot of good feedback.

[2:57:10] And.

[2:57:11] Participate in government unless we show up. So I think everybody who did.

[2:57:25] I'd just like to take a moment to thank the sheriff.

[2:57:28] For having the courage and the respect for his office.

[2:57:33] And affording the public the opportunity to speak out and engage in the manner that we did.

[2:57:40] I truly appreciate you from the bottom of my heart and.

[2:57:45] I just want to thank you.

[2:57:46] For doing that.

[2:57:51] I think I've spoken enough. Let's go ahead and have a break for 5 minutes.

[2:57:55] Recess.

[2:57:58] Go ahead.

[2:57:58] And amount of recess.

[2:58:01] We're going to try to answer this.

[2:58:04] Diligently. Umm.

[2:58:05] And with alacrity.

[2:58:08] But it's pretty long, so I.

[2:58:10] We may we may take a 30 minute break.

[2:58:12] For lunch.

[2:58:14] So we'll go ahead so.

[2:58:16] Now.

[2:58:19] We're in the action items.

[2:58:20] Piece and the first piece is to approve the minutes from the regular Commission meeting. 8/18/26 The special Joint Commission

[2:58:25] meeting.

[2:58:30] 2426, as well as a special Commission meeting that same day.

[2:58:35] Before we.

[2:58:37] Entertain a motion to approve. Are there any?

[2:58:40] Needed corrections.

[2:58:42] On any of these minutes.

[2:58:46] I have one, Sir. You did? No, it's perfect. August 18th.

[2:58:50] I accidentally put Wednesday August 18th instead of Tuesday August 18th up at the top.

[2:58:58] I'll entertain a motion to approve these minutes with the.

[2:59:01] The Clerk's.

[2:59:03] On the 18th.

[2:59:04] So, Chair, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the minutes from the regular Commission meeting.

[2:59:10] Said Corrections.

[2:59:11] Special Joining.

[2:59:13] 8/24/26 and Special Commission meeting 820.

[2:59:18] 2nd.

[2:59:19] Madam Clerk, roll call, please.

[2:59:22] Commissioner Chaves.

[2:59:23] Yes, Commissioner Prager.

[2:59:24] Yes.

[2:59:26] Commissioner Sarah Chair, Fisher Aye Motion passes Monthly accounts payable and payroll report, August 2026.

[2:59:35] This Billy Joel where?

[2:59:49] It's still morning. Good morning, Commissioner, Good morning.

[2:59:53] Chairman. Commissioner.

[2:59:54] Really joking about us?

[2:59:56] Finance Director.

[2:59:57] I am requesting approval for the accounts payable and payroll for August 1st through the 31st and the amount of 4,000,065.

[3:00:05] $1800.81.

[3:00:09] Umm, do you have any questions on the checklist you.

[3:00:14] I have some on the budget report.

[3:00:16] On the budget, yeah, I don't think we have.

[3:00:19] Just a couple SO.

[3:00:22] Maybe you can help us out.

[3:00:24] Manager, I'm sorry that the treasurer's in here.

[3:00:27] But umm.

[3:00:28] Just the one I've got.

[3:00:30] I'm looking at.

[3:00:31] Workers compensation.

[3:00:33] General County government.

[3:00:36] Excuse me?

[3:00:37] And and so we know what time of the year we're at.

[3:00:40] And I don't understand the 4.47% left.

[3:00:44] For that which?

[3:00:45] Suggest to me.

[3:00:46] That we spent an awful lot on workers comp.

[3:00:49] Are we in trouble that way? Are we trending up?

[3:00:53] Do we have an issue?

[3:00:56] Do you know what I'm talking about? Here is this page.

[3:01:00] 2 of 74.

[3:01:03] Yeah, I see that the.

[3:01:04] The payment of.

[3:01:06] 238,819.

[3:01:08] Yes, ma'am, we get an invoice from New Mexico.

[3:01:14] So this takes care of the year, takes care of the year pretty much. That's that's helpful.

[3:01:19] Thank you.

[3:01:21] And then I got a sort of a different question.

[3:01:25] Lincoln County Carrizozo Animal Control, That's at 18. We're going to talk about this a little bit later, but 18 of 74.

[3:01:34] We have 100%.

[3:01:35] Left on that.

[3:01:37] And I'm not sure what I understand is that.

[3:01:39] We just haven't made payment to.

[3:01:43] To you know, the SPCA or what?

[3:01:47] Mr. Chairman, we have.

[3:01:49] I do not think we have made payments this fiscal year. We did conclude.

[3:01:53] Within last fiscal year?

[3:01:55] OK, so this is Lincoln County Care Zozo Animal Control. Is that what we're calling?

[3:01:59] Our support of SPCA.

[3:02:04] That's that's yeah, humane. I'm sorry, 18 of 74. Thank you.

[3:02:10] Thank you.

[3:02:10] We have not paid them. We need the contract.

[3:02:13] OK, well that's what I'm.

[3:02:14] Confirming, yeah.

[3:02:17] So we have a patent. So that's that's why that's there.

[3:02:22] Talked about the generator.

[3:02:25] It's really not generated to hook up.

[3:02:29] How about the?

[3:02:31] Courthouse generator. That's on page 25 to 74.

[3:02:36] I'm using this as a tickler.

[3:02:38] For me to ask questions.

[3:02:41] So we've got a requirement.

[3:02:43] And put a generator to support this facility, this whole compound.

[3:02:49] And that's 380,000. Do you have any update on where, where that's going to go?

[3:02:54] This is for the courthouse generator, Sir.

[3:02:58] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, it's my understanding on that, that we are in design on that.

[3:03:03] And once we receive that design, we will.

[3:03:06] Look at procurement. I think the initial.

[3:03:09] Anticipation is to use our on call contract, but if we need to bid that one out, being as large as it is, we can.

[3:03:15] Called it though. OK, so when do you anticipate that happening?

[3:03:20] Let me follow up on that, Sir, and I'll get an update out on that.

[3:03:23] Appreciate that.

[3:03:24] Page 47 of 74 EMS OPS 41.97% left.

[3:03:32] Are we? Are we?

[3:03:34] Underfunding this are we getting?

[3:03:36] Higher rates of.

[3:03:39] Zillion than we anticipated in our budget.

[3:03:43] That's on page 47 of 74.

[3:03:46] We have an encumbrance of 575,000.

[3:03:49] Yes, so.

[3:03:51] I believe that.

[3:03:52] Is umm.

[3:03:55] Let's start looking at the.

[3:03:58] Umm.

[3:04:02] I'm concerned about are we going to have enough?

[3:04:04] By the end of the year.

[3:04:05] I think we'll be fine on that, being that there's the incumbents.

[3:04:09] For that for the 575,000 can you?

[3:04:13] Can you bring that to our attention next?

[3:04:15] Meeting. Sure.

[3:04:16] Thank you.

[3:04:21] We talked about.

[3:04:22] Co and Tully bridges so I won't bring that up again.

[3:04:30] 2nd monthly payout on EMS which is on page.

[3:04:34] 11 of 41.

[3:04:35] This is a check.

[3:04:39] Now we're at check side.

[3:04:42] So there's been some discussion and I wanted to talk to Todd. He's not here now.

[3:04:49] I guess what I don't understand and I think it's important.

[3:04:52] And maybe this is just Mark being stupid.

[3:04:55] Which wouldn't be the first time.

[3:04:58] EMS.

[3:05:00] Is paid for by.

[3:05:02] US and run by Presbyterian. Is that a correct statement?

[3:05:05] No, no.

[3:05:08] Mr. Chairman, I know this was a conversation we had.

[3:05:11] While we were looking at doing an MO U for the ambulances.

[3:05:14] Right, and we might need to get Madam Treasurer to come down here and fill in my.

[3:05:20] Where I might lack an understanding but.

[3:05:23] The way that this works is that, yes, Presbyterian.

[3:05:27] Does manage EMS, but EMS is paid for.

[3:05:30] As part of the mill levy that goes through the hospital, right? So it's not.

[3:05:34] Necessarily the county.

[3:05:36] Well, it is. It is. It is.

[3:05:38] It is the taxpayers, but it is not us as the county.

[3:05:42] It is going through the hospitals.

[3:05:44] Did I say that right?

[3:05:48] You did.

[3:05:50] OK.

[3:05:53] Are we going to have enough?

[3:05:54] I guess we think we're going to have enough to get through the year on this.

[3:05:58] So.

[3:05:59] So how are we staffed on EMS throughout the county? Is that?

[3:06:03] Are we 24 by 7 right?

[3:06:07] Yes, 24 by 7.

[3:06:09] It's our understanding they do have 24 hour coverage. I mean even here in Keras that stay at the.

[3:06:14] EMS.

[3:06:16] Across from the center. I thought that too so.

[3:06:19] What's generating this?

[3:06:21] Line of questioning.

[3:06:22] Is that there's some?

[3:06:24] Concern that at the, I think at the state legislature that we're not.

[3:06:29] Having enough support for EMS and I'm just not sure I understand that.

[3:06:34] I'll take that on myself.

[3:06:37] I think we've got, we're paying for.

[3:06:39] We have 24 by 7.

[3:06:41] Coverage. Umm.

[3:06:42] We're building a new building here in Carrizozo I think.

[3:06:46] We've got something up in Corona, do we not now?

[3:06:49] We haven't done that yet.

[3:06:51] They asked for a generator this year is what we're supporting them with this year.

[3:06:56] But we don't have, we don't have full time EMS up there. Is that true statement?

[3:07:00] Mr. Wilson, Mr. Chairman, I think I.

[3:07:02] If this is what you're talking about, it's.

[3:07:04] Part of New Mexico.

[3:07:06] Legislative, uh.

[3:07:07] Initiatives was to.

[3:07:09] Reclassify the EMS of.

[3:07:12] Necessary service along with the sheriff and the emergency.

[3:07:15] Response.

[3:07:18] So just to reclassify them, we give them.

[3:07:20] Avenues Group.

[3:07:22] My name is Resources.

[3:07:24] Yeah, I don't know if that's what you're alluding to or not, but.

[3:07:27] I'm not sure either, I'm trying to.

[3:07:29] Figure out what the solution is.

[3:07:31] Why are we building a solution? We don't have a problem. Do we have a problem?

[3:07:34] And coverage of EMS in the county.

[3:07:36] Not in our county.

[3:07:38] But in in county, statewide there there is issues.

[3:07:41] OK, so we're taking care of our.

[3:07:43] Our county sits favorable compared to many.

[3:07:47] Have we looked at it would be interesting and I don't know who to ask on this one.

[3:07:52] It would be interesting to know what our call times are.

[3:07:55] Relative to to other areas.

[3:07:59] I think I think I understand where that came from.

[3:08:02] And I'm getting information that's incomplete and you've helped complete that for me.

[3:08:07] But I want to make sure that the county is covered.

[3:08:10] And we are. I thought we were.

[3:08:13] Thank you very much, Mr. Wilson.

[3:08:16] Chairman. Fisher, Commissioner.

[3:08:18] I'm Sherry Huddleston, Lincoln County Treasurer. And the 500 fund they actually get.

[3:08:22] State funds for training and equipment.

[3:08:25] For each of the.

[3:08:26] Different. Umm.

[3:08:28] Locations in the county.

[3:08:30] So that adds to it. That comes from the state.

[3:08:33] OK, OK.

[3:08:37] I think that's.

[3:08:39] That's pretty much all I've got.

[3:08:43] I have a question.

[3:08:46] In the road department, vehicle fuel.

[3:08:48] Line it looks like.

[3:08:51] They've already encumbered 44th.

[3:08:53] 1000.

[3:08:56] Commissioner Serna.

[3:08:58] They also have the 421 fund.

[3:09:00] And that's their extra gas fuel line. And so they build that up, they get.

[3:09:08] Well, it's motor fuel vehicle taxes.

[3:09:10] That they use, yeah, gas tax.

[3:09:13] For that 421 fund.

[3:09:15] So he utilizes what's in his fund and then he'll start using the 421 fund.

[3:09:20] So it's guests reaching $6 a gallon or diesel.

[3:09:24] Have we? Are we going to need a?

[3:09:26] Budget adjustment.

[3:09:28] Not yet, but we'll look, you know, in.

[3:09:33] February or March and see how he's looking.

[3:09:39] It's over $6 for Basil yesterday.

[3:09:43] Get us all.

[3:09:46] OK. Any other questions or comments?

[3:09:49] Thank you very much.

[3:09:51] Entertain a.

[3:09:52] A motion to approve the Council payable and payroll for August 2026.

[3:09:59] Mr. Chair, make a motion that we approve.

[3:10:02] Accounts payable and payroll report, August.

[3:10:04] 2026, Thank you. Do we have a second?

[3:10:08] Madam Clerk, please.

[3:10:11] Commissioner Sarna.

[3:10:13] Aye, Commissioner Chavez. Yes, Commissioner Prather, Commissioner Wilson, Chair Fisher, thank you very much.

[3:10:20] Next is consideration to schedule a public hearing regarding.

[3:10:23] Proposed amendments to Lincoln County.

[3:10:25] Personnel policies and procedures.

[3:10:28] I'll ask you, Manager Burns, to just highlight.

[3:10:33] What we're trying to do there?

[3:10:35] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.

[3:10:37] So on this we have.

[3:10:40] Our ordinance 2502, it has been open. We have been reviewing it with HR.

[3:10:46] Madam Council and with.

[3:10:48] Mark Allen from NMC.

[3:10:51] We have reviewed it with the department heads.

[3:10:54] And uh.

[3:10:56] It has taken a significant.

[3:10:58] Overhaul. Umm.

[3:10:59] Primarily just to bring it up to current state, federal.

[3:11:04] Standards.

[3:11:05] And statutes.

[3:11:06] So.

[3:11:09] With that, we will.

[3:11:12] We are wanting to bring that back. We are.

[3:11:15] Doing a finalized review.

[3:11:17] Before we send it out, we're going to have that sent out today. I know, I said, uh.

[3:11:21] Yesterday. We will have that out today and I apologize.

[3:11:26] But we will have that back out to department heads with the comments from NMC.

[3:11:30] And Mark Allen?

[3:11:31] For review and then the other thing I'd like to do with the Commission prior to bringing this back to you in October.

[3:11:37] The public hearing is consideration to adopt.

[3:11:39] Is I'd like to schedule an individual workshop that we can go over it individually.

[3:11:44] That we will have Mark Allen at.

[3:11:45] Because as much of an overhaul as it did.

[3:11:48] Take and how many recommendations are in it so.

[3:11:51] With that, what your item is here today is that we could schedule a public hearing.

[3:11:55] For your Commission meeting on.

[3:11:57] October 20th.

[3:11:59] For potential consideration.

[3:12:00] Of this ordinance.

[3:12:02] Let me get this straight.

[3:12:04] The the department heads will have the opportunity to review it.

[3:12:08] With Mark Allen is that.

[3:12:10] Is that the they are welcome to come to the public hearing. We're going to send it out as it currently is that has.

[3:12:16] The Red Line revision with Mark Allen's comments about why he made the revisions that he did and, and and all the department heads

[3:12:19] will get.

[3:12:23] Copy it. Being able to look at that, yes, we've sent it out there prior.

[3:12:28] Previously.

[3:12:30] And now we're going to send it out again.

[3:12:32] Is what we're gonna do.

[3:12:34] Are we going to receive a copy tomorrow as well?

[3:12:37] Today, uh.

[3:12:38] You'll have it by the end of the day today.

[3:12:40] And then we're going to have a workshop with Mark Allen present, yes.

[3:12:45] Prior to a public hearing.

[3:12:47] So that we can have any final revisions and then we'll get that advertised out with your Commission package.

[3:12:52] As part of your public hearing.

[3:12:54] Yes, that would be the intent.

[3:12:55] Anything changes and all of that can be made prior to you the.

[3:12:59] Publication.

[3:13:01] Madam Commissioner.

[3:13:03] If there are significant changes, yes, but I'm not expecting many this has been.

[3:13:08] I expect comments but not significant changes.

[3:13:11] Because I had over 100 changes from the original when it was first sent to me.

[3:13:16] And so to be able to compare that with your.

[3:13:20] Changes that are being.

[3:13:22] Shown to us it's just concerning and I don't know if we're.

[3:13:25] Going to be able to do our due diligence because you have three that you want to hold in October.

[3:13:30] And so that's what my concern is that time management.

[3:13:33] Your personnel policy.

[3:13:35] Will be the largest one in October.

[3:13:38] Your other two that we're going to discuss here in a minute, I feel are fairly minor and we've discussed.

[3:13:42] A couple times.

[3:13:45] And if we have significant changes that we need to.

[3:13:48] Push the consideration in to November, then we can do that at the October meeting and we'll schedule another public hearing.

[3:13:54] For November.

[3:13:57] Without seeing.

[3:13:58] For me to say yes, we will be ready in October.

[3:14:02] I think it's a point he's making that if you're not ready in October, we'll move it to the November.

[3:14:07] I'm confident in the product, in the product that we've developed.

[3:14:11] Especially with.

[3:14:13] The review of Mark Allen.

[3:14:15] And the attorney then with HR going through and I'm.

[3:14:18] Very confident in this.

[3:14:20] I understand the.

[3:14:21] Amount of changes that were there previously.

[3:14:23] And we're probably very warranted.

[3:14:26] I I think the updates we've made now.

[3:14:28] Are very appropriate to what we have for a personal policy so.

[3:14:34] And if you need more time.

[3:14:36] We could move it to November. It's just.

[3:14:38] Non problem.

[3:14:40] Right now.

[3:14:42] How's the problem?

[3:14:44] Because I haven't even seen it in the amount of work that we'll have to put into reviewing it to be able to say in one month I'm

[3:14:50] going to be prepared to speak on creating a policy.

[3:14:55] Well, uh.

[3:14:58] I yeah, I restated.

[3:14:59] That if you cannot.

[3:15:02] And you don't feel like you can acquaint yourself?

[3:15:05] Where we can't make changes.

[3:15:07] That we agree on.

[3:15:09] Before the October meeting.

[3:15:11] Series.

[3:15:13] Then we will move it.

[3:15:14] To the right to November.

[3:15:17] I think that gives you the option that.

[3:15:19] If you can't do it.

[3:15:21] Mr. Chairman, so, yes, I have a point of clarification just for my understanding.

[3:15:26] These.

[3:15:29] Public hearings.

[3:15:31] Meant to put.

[3:15:33] To provide input into these changes.

[3:15:36] That's correct.

[3:15:38] So it's it's conceivable to say that even after a public hearing, we would want to make further changes.

[3:15:43] We don't have to adopt any changes immediately after a public hearing.

[3:15:47] So it is conceivable that we get this.

[3:15:50] We provide our input.

[3:15:52] To give the public and.

[3:15:53] Option to provide their input in October.

[3:15:56] And we still don't.

[3:15:57] Adopt this until November.

[3:16:00] I think that's absolutely true.

[3:16:02] So scheduling the public hearing, I don't think they did an issue at this point because we would welcome any of that feedback.

[3:16:08] It's just this.

[3:16:10] The approval.

[3:16:12] Yeah, it's the approval that can be kicked until November if.

[3:16:15] And wind changes are.

[3:16:16] Misses her.

[3:16:18] I guess my concern would be whenever we publish the public hearing, we have to make available the ordinance itself to the public

[3:16:23] for them to receive it and if.

[3:16:28] Commission as a body hasn't been able to weigh in on the ordinance and that's what's being presented. These are the changes. It's

[3:16:33] like these are not the changes by the Commission, these are the changes by.

[3:16:38] The bureaucrats.

[3:16:40] That's my concern.

[3:16:48] So what you're saying?

[3:16:51] That we need to meet.

[3:16:54] Prior to.

[3:16:56] Publishing.

[3:16:57] The draft ordinance.

[3:16:58] So that we can ensure that changes.

[3:17:02] And then we're comfortable with what's being published, right? Right.

[3:17:05] That's what I'm saying.

[3:17:10] What's your timing with respect to?

[3:17:13] This this workshop.

[3:17:17] Do you have any idea on that?

[3:17:19] I mean.

[3:17:22] Mr. Chairman.

[3:17:25] We had not picked a specific date yet. We were going to try to.

[3:17:28] Coordinate that with the.

[3:17:30] Commission, but even as early as next week.

[3:17:33] Based on availability.

[3:17:36] So that that might.

[3:17:38] I'd be a little bit tight.

[3:17:45] I think.

[3:17:47] Let me make a suggestion to the Commission.

[3:18:09] I think I think that the consideration to.

[3:18:12] Absolutely close to November.

[3:18:15] Particularly.

[3:18:17] The.

[3:18:20] The personnel policies and procedures, this is something that's extraordinarily important to everybody.

[3:18:25] Particularly, yeah.

[3:18:26] Our employees.

[3:18:28] But also everyone in the community.

[3:18:31] So slowing that down is not an easy reason.

[3:18:34] Class in the sense that.

[3:18:36] Once we have.

[3:18:37] Our meeting with Mark Allen.

[3:18:41] My hope is that we'll get enough information.

[3:18:44] With respect to being able to.

[3:18:47] Look at the draft.

[3:18:49] Hear his explanations.

[3:18:51] And then also.

[3:18:53] Discuss it, perhaps amongst ourselves.

[3:18:55] And we could have a special meeting or a workshop that.

[3:18:58] Accommodate that, whatever.

[3:18:59] The legal venue.

[3:19:03] And then?

[3:19:04] We can consider changes to it.

[3:19:08] And with that.

[3:19:10] That becomes what what is published for the?

[3:19:13] Consideration of the.

[3:19:15] Of the community.

[3:19:18] Does that make sense?

[3:19:19] Does that make sense to this?

[3:19:21] This body.

[3:19:25] One could imagine we could still have that.

[3:19:27] That meeting next week?

[3:19:30] One could imagine it. I don't know if that works for you, I know.

[3:19:34] Time for a bunch of people here.

[3:19:38] And let's workout. Let's workout the timing.

[3:19:42] Get a consensus from the Commission, I'm pretty open.

[3:19:45] But I have AI don't have the responsibilities that some of these people.

[3:19:53] So the format I'm thinking.

[3:19:56] Commissioner, I'm thinking the format with this meeting with Mark Allen, I think it's appropriate.

[3:20:01] That we have him there.

[3:20:03] We go through this line item by line item and I don't want the first time I see it. And you said you're going to send it out today

[3:20:06] anyway.

[3:20:10] To be that meeting, but at that meeting.

[3:20:13] We can.

[3:20:14] Agreed to any changes that we want.

[3:20:19] If you know with Mark Allen there and council there and.

[3:20:23] HR there.

[3:20:25] You know, using them as resources.

[3:20:28] And then at that time we can decide when.

[3:20:30] We should actually have this.

[3:20:34] This this public hearing.

[3:20:36] OK. And that could be November?

[3:20:40] It just depends on.

[3:20:42] Time again.

[3:20:45] Understood.

[3:20:45] Is that are we good with that?

[3:20:48] Commissioner Wilson.

[3:20:51] So you pointed your finger up, I assume you wanted. Yeah, so, so I think, I think that that's reasonable.

[3:20:57] I think it's we still need.

[3:20:59] Schedule our public hearing.

[3:21:01] With anticipation of being in October. With anticipation of doing it in October.

[3:21:05] I think that's fine, you can always change it.

[3:21:08] Could you inform us when Mark Allen to be available to sit down with us?

[3:21:13] Mr. Commissioner, yes, we will coordinate that.

[3:21:18] With the workshop it'll probably.

[3:21:20] We'll get some dates and.

[3:21:21] And get.

[3:21:23] Because I'm in agreeance with you.

[3:21:25] Commissioner Rosa.

[3:21:27] About getting this.

[3:21:28] Later.

[3:21:31] So.

[3:21:34] Instead, I would entertain a motion to approve.

[3:21:37] Number three of the action items.

[3:21:40] With the caveats that we just mentioned.

[3:21:43] Move We schedule public hearing.

[3:21:50] We have a second.

[3:21:52] 2nd that 4.

[3:21:54] We're on October, yes, our next regular.

[3:22:02] Work when you're ready.

[3:22:05] Commissioner Wilson, Yes.

[3:22:07] Commissioner Chavez. Commissioner Prather.

[3:22:09] Aye, Chair Fisher. Motion passes 4:00 to 1:00.

[3:22:14] Next is consideration to schedule a public hearing regarding proposed amendments in Lincoln County ordinance #20009-2.

[3:22:21] It's rated related to the economic development planning.

[3:22:27] Mr. Burns.

[3:22:29] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.

[3:22:31] Yet again we have a.

[3:22:33] Request to schedule a public hearing on a revision to our Leader Ordinance.

[3:22:39] This one we've had open.

[3:22:41] For a few months we've been reviewing this with our.

[3:22:44] Economic development loads with Jim Lacero and Kevin Wilson.

[3:22:48] Also as well as.

[3:22:50] Madam Treasurer.

[3:22:51] It's my understanding on this that we were going to have a revision to the security requirements so that we can continue to use

[3:22:55] the lead ordinance. This would be your.

[3:22:58] Request to schedule a public hearing.

[3:23:01] For your October meeting.

[3:23:04] For those considerations.

[3:23:07] And this will be the same this this is from my understanding, and maybe Madam Treasurer can explain it a little better.

[3:23:14] A very minor change that we can get out. It's not an overhaul of the entire ordinance.

[3:23:22] I have treasure.

[3:23:24] Chairman Fisher. Commissioner Sherry Huddleston, Lincoln County Treasurer.

[3:23:27] So an Alita funding they have to.

[3:23:31] Right now we have them put up.

[3:23:34] CD.

[3:23:35] For the amount of the Lita.

[3:23:37] Funds that they receive.

[3:23:39] And we would like to change the ordinance to where they can do a letter of credit or something like that.

[3:23:45] I mean.

[3:23:46] You know the.

[3:23:47] They've already received all the funding, they just have to finish it out and it takes.

[3:23:51] Amount of time? Is it two years or something like that?

[3:23:54] To finish the program, but I don't think it's fair that they have to have a CD.

[3:23:59] Put with.

[3:24:00] Tied to Lincoln County.

[3:24:03] I think a letter of credit.

[3:24:05] Would be.

[3:24:06] You know, umm.

[3:24:10] Equivalent to the CD.

[3:24:12] And or any other.

[3:24:15] I guess a bond or anything like that.

[3:24:17] So the ordinance would just need to be changed to where we can accept the letter of credit from the person getting the lead of

[3:24:20] funds.

[3:24:26] Mr. Chair, I remember discussing this.

[3:24:29] With the economic development division, when Jasper Riddle was asking for this and.

[3:24:34] It was to.

[3:24:36] Mirror what state statute?

[3:24:38] Requires and not be more strict and so.

[3:24:43] Yeah, I would have liked to have seen a draft or.

[3:24:46] A red line version in our packet. It's very difficult to.

[3:24:50] Make decisions without understanding what the backup material is.

[3:24:56] So I remember that very well too.

[3:24:58] There, this is kind of a different twist.

[3:25:02] On.

[3:25:02] On what I thought was going to be presented.

[3:25:07] We had we have unnecessarily constrained.

[3:25:11] The utility of that.

[3:25:14] Leader, Those leader funds.

[3:25:17] In this county.

[3:25:19] I would I would like to.

[3:25:22] I would like to have us.

[3:25:25] Prefer with.

[3:25:27] Our economic development department.

[3:25:29] To ensure that that we're as.

[3:25:34] That we are not overly constraining beyond what the state statutes require, state regulations require.

[3:25:41] And I don't see that we've done that.

[3:25:44] Is there some way it was presented earlier in?

[3:25:47] I guess last year.

[3:25:49] Yeah, and it was in there.

[3:25:52] I don't know I I don't have those documents in front of me.

[3:25:57] It would be nice to have you, can we?

[3:25:59] Revisit this particular one because it.

[3:26:02] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, and, and maybe this is my misunderstanding, that's the purpose of scheduling our public hearing so

[3:26:06] that we can present this to you, so that we schedule this.

[3:26:11] If that's my misunderstanding all all research is a little more and.

[3:26:15] Revise how we present these to you.

[3:26:19] So.

[3:26:21] I just.

[3:26:22] My concern here.

[3:26:24] Is that we are. We are not addressing.

[3:26:26] The original.

[3:26:27] Problem that we had.

[3:26:29] When we address this with Jasper Riddle.

[3:26:31] In noisy water.

[3:26:34] I just want to make sure that what you present to us.

[3:26:38] Includes.

[3:26:39] Those changes that need to keep it as loose as possible.

[3:26:43] So that we comply with the state, but we don't constrain.

[3:26:47] Our economic development in.

[3:26:49] County of Lincoln.

[3:26:51] So.

[3:26:53] If you present that to us.

[3:26:57] Beforehand.

[3:26:58] I think we can go ahead and have a public hearing. It's a very minor change, as I recall.

[3:27:03] And I'm OK with with.

[3:27:05] Proposing a public hearing on the next.

[3:27:08] The next.

[3:27:11] Meeting that we have, but it's going to have to include verification that we have met.

[3:27:15] You know, I want something from.

[3:27:18] What was it? Mark Roper. He used to be there.

[3:27:20] Kevin Kevin Wilson Kevin Wilson.

[3:27:24] Sure, I want to make sure that they.

[3:27:25] Kevin is.

[3:27:26] Coordinating with this on on the revisions on this.

[3:27:29] It is a very minor change and it is a result of Jasper's Lita.

[3:27:33] So it is in there.

[3:27:34] You're saying, no, Sir, that's what we're adding here. We, we, we revised the agreement for Jasper to be able to allow it, but

[3:27:38] that is the.

[3:27:42] This is the result of why we're doing it is so that when we do this again with a similar situation that.

[3:27:48] It accommodates so that we don't have the issue again like we've had with Jasper. It wasn't. It was not clear to me in the

[3:27:52] original discussion.

[3:27:55] We were just talking about CD's.

[3:27:59] This was more than that, as I recall.

[3:28:03] Am I wrong in that? Do you know?

[3:28:06] No, that's the way I recall it.

[3:28:08] I will entertain a motion to to have that public hearing then.

[3:28:13] But I want to make sure that that.

[3:28:15] Kevin Wilson.

[3:28:17] That we're complying with.

[3:28:19] The requirement.

[3:28:20] But not we're not constraining the county.

[3:28:23] We need economic develop.

[3:28:27] We will ask them to be at your next meeting, Sir.

[3:28:29] OK, so therefore.

[3:28:31] Do you have something else? My same concern lies.

[3:28:35] We're not going to be able to.

[3:28:37] Review it before it's published and made available to the public.

[3:28:41] Once again, we're saying this is the changes.

[3:28:43] Presented by the governing body, but we haven't seen it.

[3:28:48] How can I compare a state statute to a local ordinance?

[3:28:52] And say, come pick up your ordinance. This is what the Commission wants to revise.

[3:28:56] Our feet are being cut from under us because we're the policy making body, but we're not given the policy before we publish it.

[3:29:06] Mr. Chairman, Madam Commissioner.

[3:29:08] Respectfully, I mean, again, kind of Commissioner Wilson's point.

[3:29:12] The whole point of the public hearing is so that can be considered and published even with your revisions.

[3:29:17] We're getting it out to you earlier so you can review it.

[3:29:19] And hopefully make some changes prior to the meeting, but it's also for review and discussion during your October meeting.

[3:29:26] October 6th would be your deadline to have this available to the public.

[3:29:30] And if we change it during your public meeting, then that will be the direction of the Commissioner.

[3:29:36] So we're going to get it out to you. We'll get this one out as soon as we finalize the revisions.

[3:29:42] So you can have some pre look at it if we have.

[3:29:44] Prior comments, but.

[3:29:49] Not a single commissioner's comments will not be incorporated into the ordinance revisions prior to October 6.

[3:29:55] I guess you're correct on that, but when you have comments on October 20th, they will be incorporated.

[3:30:02] Well, the comments.

[3:30:03] Yeah, comments will be considered.

[3:30:06] The body will prove it.

[3:30:09] So I I'm I'm OK with that.

[3:30:16] We schedule a public hearing.

[3:30:17] For the proposed amendment to the ordinance.

[3:30:27] Madam Clerk.

[3:30:31] Commissioner Serna.

[3:30:32] No, Commissioner Wilson, Yes.

[3:30:34] Commissioner Chavez, Chair Fisher. Motion passes 4:00 to 1:00.

[3:30:41] The next is a.

[3:30:42] Consideration Schedule a public hearing on October 20th, 2026.

[3:30:47] Modification adoption. Solid waste collection is closed.

[3:30:50] We talked about this a number of times already.

[3:30:58] Give us an update.

[3:31:00] So Sir Ross Coleman, Director of Strategic Planning and Resilience.

[3:31:04] Stephanie has been working on a lot of the comments that you had from the previous meeting a few months ago.

[3:31:10] She's been going through all of the collections.

[3:31:13] Looking at the fee structure.

[3:31:15] And so I believe that she is ready for us to move forward with a public hearing so we can discuss those items.

[3:31:21] So that we can decide.

[3:31:23] How you would like to move forward?

[3:31:25] Move forward adoption.

[3:31:32] Commissioners.

[3:31:36] Once again after reviewing.

[3:31:37] The ordinance that was provided to us in our.

[3:31:41] August meeting for the public hearing they were going to schedule.

[3:31:44] I have a few changes that I would like for the body to consider.

[3:31:48] Before it's published.

[3:31:50] To the public.

[3:31:54] And that's what being able to put eyes on it, I just.

[3:31:57] Right off the bat.

[3:32:00] If you look at the.

[3:32:01] Hardship waiver there's no defined.

[3:32:04] Hardship, You know, if you go apply for public assistance, they say you must be under a percentage of the federal poverty

[3:32:08] guideline.

[3:32:12] Ours is just open-ended.

[3:32:20] I agree that needs to be tightened up.

[3:32:23] And then there's another part.

[3:32:26] I don't think that I'm on it directly.

[3:32:29] It says a hardship waiver can be.

[3:32:31] Submitted to the county manager and also appealed by the county manager.

[3:32:37] That doesn't seem right either. The appeal needs to be by a different individual.

[3:32:42] Such as the governing bot.

[3:32:47] I concur with that as well.

[3:32:49] And there's another one that.

[3:32:51] Speaks about the commercial dumpsters. I don't think that.

[3:32:55] It's the duty of the government.

[3:32:57] To limit.

[3:33:00] Commercial activity, you know.

[3:33:02] In the unincorporated areas of Lincoln County.

[3:33:05] Have it in our ordinance.

[3:33:09] I agree.

[3:33:14] Commissioners, would it be acceptable to take some of these changes today?

[3:33:18] Have our public meeting.

[3:33:21] Public hearing in October, work on changes and then bring it back to you in November.

[3:33:26] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners saying the other way of comments.

[3:33:29] We've looked at this multiple times.

[3:33:32] And incorporated the comments and and what our understanding of the Commission was and and with some.

[3:33:38] Additional details.

[3:33:40] We can incorporate those, but.

[3:33:41] Scheduling the public hearing and moving through the process and you know.

[3:33:45] I guess what we're going to do is I'll sit down with Director Coleman and Stephanie and we're going to really take a look at.

[3:33:50] You know our processes of how we conduct ordinances as we open these revisal and bring them back to you.

[3:33:57] To make sure that they're compliant with state statute and up to the expectations of the Commission.

[3:34:05] Well, what I'd like to do.

[3:34:07] What I would like to do, I'd feel more comfortable with.

[3:34:10] Is that we?

[3:34:12] See these.

[3:34:14] This revised.

[3:34:15] Ordinance Suggested. Proposed ordinance.

[3:34:19] Again.

[3:34:21] And I'd like to incorporate some of these changes we just talked about.

[3:34:24] For our review.

[3:34:29] We can do that online.

[3:34:31] I have another comment.

[3:34:34] I have reached out to Alan Merrill and Alex Bobbitt on questions regarding the settlement agreement in JPA with Greentree.

[3:34:43] Because they have concerns.

[3:34:45] With the solid waste ordinance change.

[3:34:48] I think it'd be prudent of us to have a meeting as a body with.

[3:34:52] Green tree to.

[3:34:54] Hear their concerns at a minimum and.

[3:34:56] Ensure that our new solid waste ordinance is not in violation of the settlement agreement that we have entered into with them.

[3:35:05] And I agree with that also.

[3:35:11] I just want to make sure we're doing our due diligence, yes.

[3:35:17] OK.

[3:35:22] My suggestion is that we table this.

[3:35:27] Move and accept a motion to table this to our next meeting.

[3:35:31] With the with the.

[3:35:35] Requirement.

[3:35:36] That we review it again.

[3:35:40] We can do that offline.

[3:35:42] But we need to have scheduled a meeting with Greentree. That's council. Was that your?

[3:35:47] Is that your advice?

[3:35:49] We're good enough.

[3:35:53] I'm not sure how because I'm not sure how Greentree plays with this, but we do have a settlement agreement. I don't know what that

[3:35:57] settlement agreement says.

[3:36:01] So if there's a concern from your side as our county.

[3:36:06] Lawyer. Then I suppose we should do that.

[3:36:11] You agree?

[3:36:13] OK, so let's I'll accept a motion to table this.

[3:36:16] To our next regular meeting.

[3:36:19] And in the meantime, we need to.

[3:36:20] Operate some of those changes.

[3:36:23] As a suggestion.

[3:36:25] More and also need to meet this tree tree.

[3:36:29] Mr. Chavez, you are a member of that board, are you not?

[3:36:33] So would you make sure that that meeting that we get to meet with them? I have a meeting with them on the 17th, on the 17th.

[3:36:40] Thursday. Thursday, yeah.

[3:36:43] I'll make sure that we.

[3:36:45] They're informed and we'll see when we can schedule a meeting and then.

[3:36:50] Is that something we want to have multiple commissioners at and plus our?

[3:36:54] Legal uh uh.

[3:36:56] Little team.

[3:36:57] I would like to invite them into executive session.

[3:37:01] Mr. Manager on the.

[3:37:04] Proxy for that board, so I'd be willing to go and.

[3:37:07] Take part in that green tree meeting as well.

[3:37:13] OK.

[3:37:18] You got the meeting on the 17th, you said Thursday, Thursday.

[3:37:22] So. So why don't the two of you attend that meeting?

[3:37:27] And figure out where we stand with this.

[3:37:30] And I don't know.

[3:37:31] You know the county manager, you probably should go as well.

[3:37:34] From this particular.

[3:37:36] Subject uh.

[3:37:37] So you're there.

[3:37:38] And we'll discuss it.

[3:37:39] And then come back.

[3:37:41] Come back on our October meeting.

[3:37:44] And we'll discuss your findings and any changes that need to be made.

[3:37:51] Is that reasonable? Well, the problem is there is that we're not going to be on the agenda. So we.

[3:37:56] It's on the agenda. Oh, is it on the agenda?

[3:37:59] OK, all right, look at it. Yes, she sent it to all three of us.

[3:38:04] Mr. Chairman, I will.

[3:38:07] We've had some concerns previously about Open Meetings Act. We're going to have three commissioners there discussing county

[3:38:10] business.

[3:38:13] I don't know that a potential quorum will cover that.

[3:38:16] I will be at the meeting Thursday. I'll let you all handle that. I'm assigned to other boards and committees. Thank you,

[3:38:18] Commissioner.

[3:38:22] It'll just be those two.

[3:38:26] All right, plus you.

[3:38:28] Plus, umm.

[3:38:29] Loss, perhaps, and I'd like to have a lawyer there.

[3:38:33] So I'll accept the motion to.

[3:38:36] To table this.

[3:38:41] I make a motion that we.

[3:38:44] Table action item.

[3:38:45] #5 until next meeting.

[3:38:49] 2nd.

[3:38:50] Madam Clerk.

[3:38:54] Commissioner Chavez.

[3:38:55] Yes, Commissioner Sarna.

[3:38:58] Aye, Commissioner Frather.

[3:39:00] Commissioner Wilson.

[3:39:01] Yes, Chair Fisher Motion.

[3:39:06] All right.

[3:39:09] Thank you.

[3:39:10] This is a tough one because nobody likes it.

[3:39:13] But we have to have it.

[3:39:21] So it's sensitive.

[3:39:23] Next is consideration of Colonious Infrastructure Project Fund Agreement 1676 and resolution.

[3:39:28] 2027.

[3:39:30] Dash 10 and I think that's Mr.

[3:39:34] Yes, Sir, Chairman Fisher Commissioners Jeff Honeycutt, Lincoln County Road Superintendent.

[3:39:41] This is the drainage design.

[3:39:46] Keep going up there. No, you're fine. Keep going.

[3:39:49] For Alamo Canyon.

[3:39:51] It's part of the Colonias Grand. It's a $204,000 grant with the 20,450.

[3:39:57] $5 match I believe.

[3:40:00] So there would be $184,000.

[3:40:03] That's part of the grant and.

[3:40:05] Included in that is also $20,454.00 of a loan.

[3:40:10] That we have to.

[3:40:11] Apply for it. What this does, essentially is.

[3:40:15] It gives us an idea. We get the drainage.

[3:40:17] Uh, study done in there, we get some of the design work done the right of way established and that way when we do need to go out

[3:40:21] and get.

[3:40:24] Bigger.

[3:40:25] Sums of money.

[3:40:27] To do road work or drainage repair will have this thing already in place.

[3:40:31] In the Colonius grant, which has worked very well for us in the past when we already have a project designed.

[3:40:38] And ready to go.

[3:40:39] It's almost like Step 2 of getting the additional money.

[3:40:45] So that's what this one is about.

[3:40:47] For Alamo candy.

[3:40:48] Does that start from?

[3:40:50] The right away the county all the way to the end. That is correct, Sir.

[3:40:55] Including the low water crossings. We'll just study the whole thing. Let's see what we need to do.

[3:41:00] Of course, $200,000 is not going to cover the complete design of a nine mile roadway.

[3:41:06] But it will get us started and see what we need to do and what areas we need to focus our attention on.

[3:41:12] The most?

[3:41:15] So this is already incorporated into what?

[3:41:17] Has been done to element Gators.

[3:41:19] Already Or is it?

[3:41:21] Is this an extension of that?

[3:41:23] Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Chavez, this is not.

[3:41:26] Incorporated into what we did before, there was just a micro surface, type 4 micro surface that was just kind of a maintenance.

[3:41:34] Project.

[3:41:35] It was kind of an exploratory deal on our part. We wanted to see if it would work with.

[3:41:40] About putting it on top of chip seal that went down on the existing roadway surface.

[3:41:44] And to this point, it's held up well.

[3:41:46] But it was a maintenance project, it's not part of the bigger.

[3:41:49] Design if it ends up holding up.

[3:41:52] And still performing like it has to this point.

[3:41:54] It could be a very inexpensive option for us to continue that along Alamo Canyon.

[3:42:01] But we'll find some of the deficiencies when we do the drainage study.

[3:42:05] Of where we're getting the most.

[3:42:07] Flows in some of the areas that could need to be corrected.

[3:42:13] And this is colonial.

[3:42:17] Thank you, Jeff. Yes, Sir.

[3:42:21] Motion to approve.

[3:42:22] Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve.

[3:42:25] The Commission.

[3:42:27] 231676 and resolution 202713.

[3:42:34] Clerk, please.

[3:42:37] Commissioner Wilson.

[3:42:38] Commissioner Serna.

[3:42:39] I Commissioner Prather, Aye, Commissioner Chapman Chair Fisher.

[3:42:43] Aye, Motion.

[3:42:45] Thank you.

[3:42:46] Thank you.

[3:42:47] Let us sit there. Yes, Sir.

[3:42:49] Thank you.

[3:42:50] Consideration of budget adjustment award, IFB 26-03, ARCO and Tully Bridges.

[3:42:57] This is the one that we talked about briefly before.

[3:43:03] We don't currently have any funding for this additional amount of money, do we? That is correct, Chairman Fisher. I'm Jeff

[3:43:07] Honeycutt, the Lincoln County road Superintendent.

[3:43:11] We did put this out to bid twice.

[3:43:14] Of same contractor bid it twice.

[3:43:17] And the numbers came back.

[3:43:19] The same.

[3:43:21] Which was?

[3:43:23] $592,000 and we have $225,000.

[3:43:28] Tied to this project obligated through FEMA.

[3:43:31] So we have.

[3:43:32] Essentially a $365,000 shortfall.

[3:43:37] But we are in the process of trying to get more money.

[3:43:40] Sent to us from FEMA.

[3:43:42] That will take time.

[3:43:44] They have to re obligate that project and we.

[3:43:47] Pretty familiar with the FEMA process.

[3:43:50] But.

[3:43:51] The Commission's desire to.

[3:43:53] Potentially fund this then that would.

[3:43:56] Be able to expedite it.

[3:43:57] And if we did get more money from FEMA, that would just have an option for us not to use this money.

[3:44:04] But there is that shortfall and.

[3:44:08] Compared to the total.

[3:44:09] Cost of the project.

[3:44:10] Madam Treasurer, do you have a comment?

[3:44:13] On this.

[3:44:20] How much is the shortfall? I'm sorry.

[3:44:23] Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Sernitz $365,000 The bid came in twice at 592,000 and we were allowed.

[3:44:31] 225,000.

[3:44:33] Was the obligation from FEMA.

[3:44:36] 365,000 is a shortfall.

[3:44:38] Did did you not mention that that?

[3:44:40] With the letter from the.

[3:44:42] I can't remember what his name is. District 2.

[3:44:45] Francisco Sanchez we made.

[3:44:48] We may be awarded more funds.

[3:44:50] That is correct, Commissioner Chavez, it actually was a.

[3:44:54] It did work for Otero County that way.

[3:44:57] And.

[3:44:59] Francisco Sanchez has agreed to write the letter.

[3:45:01] And we're getting them the information that that he requested.

[3:45:05] So I feel good about us getting.

[3:45:07] More money.

[3:45:08] It's just going to be a factor of wind.

[3:45:11] And that's the problem.

[3:45:13] I would probably be more comfortable waiting until after we find out about the letter.

[3:45:19] That will.

[3:45:21] Not allow us to do any of the work that we have put out to bid at this point.

[3:45:25] So we would be at a stopping point.

[3:45:28] On those two bridges.

[3:45:32] I don't have a crystal ball, but we potentially could have another government shutdown in October.

[3:45:38] This is just good too.

[3:45:40] Doing it. We're going to keep kicking this down and their safety concerns for the traveling public.

[3:45:45] Particularly first responders, I think that we need.

[3:45:49] Shore up this project.

[3:45:52] Let me ask. Let me ask you this.

[3:45:55] And I agree with that comment.

[3:45:58] Let me ask you this.

[3:45:59] So this is a combined.

[3:46:01] Work Co and Tully. Tully looks to me to be the.

[3:46:06] The worst of the two for sure. That is correct. Yes Sir.

[3:46:11] What? What?

[3:46:13] Would we be able to achieve what we need on Tully Bridge?

[3:46:16] If with that amount that we currently have.

[3:46:20] Chairman Fisher, the projects were bid.

[3:46:22] Together. Umm.

[3:46:24] Both bridges were bid together and I think well I know FEMA obligated $150,000 for.

[3:46:31] Chipotle and 75 for Cove.

[3:46:35] I'm not sure how.

[3:46:37] How close we could get?

[3:46:38] Or if we would be able to do that under FEMA, because we do have to stay.

[3:46:43] Pretty strict to.

[3:46:45] What they obligated, Mr. Chairman, Yes, point.

[3:46:50] The obligated cost.

[3:46:51] Four totally Bridge was 149,610.

[3:46:55] A single bid from this contract was 228. You'll be at a shortfall 78,600.

[3:47:01] And some change.

[3:47:02] I do not think those costs include NGRT, so we'll have to adjust it for the 5.25%.

[3:47:08] And we would have to look at to see.

[3:47:10] How they would do that?

[3:47:12] Individually. Umm.

[3:47:13] Some of their numbers might change.

[3:47:16] If it's not together, if they're not doing, we'll bid it separately but with a joint.

[3:47:21] Correct, it was bit individually.

[3:47:23] Just total, yes. So we could award just one if we wanted to per the procurement, yeah.

[3:47:30] And we could hold them to that.

[3:47:31] Treasured. What are we looking like?

[3:47:33] In terms of funds that might be available for these kinds of activities.

[3:47:37] Chairman Fisher. Commissioner Sherry Hilton, Lincoln County Treasurer.

[3:47:41] Scare me like that we could take it out of our.

[3:47:45] Cash reserves in general fund.

[3:47:49] Or we do have the wind turbine.

[3:47:50] That is drawing interest every month.

[3:47:53] Of about 30 something thousand so it's building up pretty good so you know it's the.

[3:47:59] Board's choice Which fund you'd like us to?

[3:48:03] Utilize so do we jeopardize the funding from.

[3:48:06] From DD.

[3:48:07] I by self funding it.

[3:48:10] The additional money?

[3:48:14] I I don't have a good answer for that. I am not sure how that.

[3:48:17] That would be looked at. We could use some of the additional funds maybe for.

[3:48:21] Doing work there on coal, but if we have the extra money to finish Tully.

[3:48:26] Up completely.

[3:48:28] I don't know. I don't know how that would look. Mr. Chairman. Funds from dot would not jeopardize the FEMA funding.

[3:48:35] It would just be the question of.

[3:48:37] How quickly could they be made available?

[3:48:41] Dot.

[3:48:43] Usually are, just not at the pinstroke of the district engineer, Yeah.

[3:48:47] So we would have to go through that process of when they would be made available. So, so here, here, here's my point. I

[3:48:50] appreciate.

[3:48:53] All these comments and I need to sense of the Commission on this.

[3:48:58] But these the damage to these two bridges occurred in the floods of 2024.

[3:49:03] Yes, Sir.

[3:49:05] If you look at.

[3:49:07] Tully in particular codes not so bad.

[3:49:09] Oh was passable needs need some work.

[3:49:12] But you look at Tully, it's freaking dangerous.

[3:49:15] And those people have been extraordinarily patient with the county that.

[3:49:18] Has promised them.

[3:49:21] Helped. We've been successful. We've been successful in doing.

[3:49:27] Many of these sekis down there in in.

[3:49:29] Probably good time.

[3:49:31] I think that's going to pick up, I hope.

[3:49:35] But this ones been hanging over our heads.

[3:49:38] What?

[3:49:40] What is the sense of the Commission in terms of?

[3:49:43] Of taking care of a problem that in my view is a safety problem.

[3:49:48] Do you have, you know, it's a lot of money?

[3:49:52] But we we are getting that some of that wind turbine, I mean is this.

[3:49:56] What we use that?

[3:49:59] Call it largesse, for lack of a better term.

[3:50:02] Four. Or do we just hold on to it for another disaster?

[3:50:07] I'm not sure.

[3:50:09] My thought my thought is that we need to pay. We need to get it done.

[3:50:19] Chairman, if I could, I mean, if we do decide that.

[3:50:22] Tully is definitely the one that we need to focus on. We have dangling guardrail.

[3:50:26] The low canopy and.

[3:50:28] Work that needs to be done underneath the bridge.

[3:50:32] To secure that.

[3:50:34] So Tully is.

[3:50:35] Should be the focus point if we're looking at just one.

[3:50:40] Question Mr.

[3:50:41] So so if we did get a letter of support for additional funding from FEMA from.

[3:50:47] Yes. What's the timeline?

[3:50:50] On any queries.

[3:50:52] Chairman Fisher, Commissioner Wilson I.

[3:50:54] Don't know, kind of like the manager said. I mean the.

[3:50:57] It's not just the District 2's.

[3:51:01] Discretion.

[3:51:02] Or but the letter would help but.

[3:51:05] But FEMA typically takes.

[3:51:11] We could be 6 to 9 months down the road.

[3:51:14] So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, if I could on this.

[3:51:19] You know, I think you're.

[3:51:21] Perception of.

[3:51:22] Thus, needing to repair these bridges is correct.

[3:51:25] We have bridge maintenance that we're responsible for and if we have some help from FEMA.

[3:51:30] We should utilize it and not let it go.

[3:51:33] With that also being said.

[3:51:35] Superintendent Honeycutt reported earlier that we just received.

[3:51:38] $3,000,000.

[3:51:40] Or something from TPF funding.

[3:51:42] So to go back and over.

[3:51:44] Squeeze the state off.

[3:51:46] Some pretty.

[3:51:48] Favorable funding.

[3:51:50] I don't know if we need to go squeeze too much.

[3:51:54] But it's not that we shouldn't pursue it.

[3:51:57] So I guess what I'm saying is we are.

[3:52:00] Being very favorably awarded right now within.

[3:52:04] So it might be worth this being our.

[3:52:06] Buy to the sandwich.

[3:52:11] With this letter, are we not squeezing FEMA? Isn't that worth the extra money?

[3:52:15] Come from, Mr. Commissioner, I could tell you right now FEMA is being fairly difficult.

[3:52:20] And that's putting it very nicely.

[3:52:24] I know that the village is having.

[3:52:27] Very.

[3:52:28] That problems, I think they just filed A lawsuit against him.

[3:52:32] So FEMA's being.

[3:52:33] Very difficult to deal with.

[3:52:36] On these issues and we're going to have.

[3:52:39] I will also say that this will be a regular funded project.

[3:52:42] This will not go through our Senate Bill 31, so we're having to go to FEMA directly for this.

[3:52:47] Already.

[3:52:48] So to do a modified project, it basically starts the process all over again to go in them to reconsider and approve it.

[3:52:56] And essentially what we'd have to do is by the time we get it back to the processes, we'd have to refit it.

[3:53:01] Which would probably be.

[3:53:02] Next spring.

[3:53:07] Any other questions?

[3:53:08] Have questions. So the funding that was allocated from FEMA, it was for Co and Tully bridge together joint. Are we going to be

[3:53:13] penalized if we don't complete code?

[3:53:18] No ma'am, it's my understanding that these are separated. I have an e-mail here from from JD.

[3:53:23] The Co and Totally are separate. Co Bridge has $75,000.

[3:53:28] Plus $21,000 of 406 hazard mitigation money.

[3:53:32] And then totally was allotted 149,000 and.

[3:53:35] Kind of like he had stated.

[3:53:39] FEMA has always had issues with estimating construction, especially in southeastern New Mexico.

[3:53:46] They want to use dot.

[3:53:48] Estimations that are in metropolitan areas that.

[3:53:51] Are not the same numbers that we're going to get up here in Lincoln County or anywhere else that I've seen before too.

[3:53:56] So that's always the discrepancies after we go bid and we take the real numbers tool.

[3:54:01] There this is and this is not a new issue.

[3:54:05] So it's it's just.

[3:54:07] Their way of doing it, but we have to do a modified project, then it goes completely back through the reconsideration project or

[3:54:10] process again.

[3:54:15] Anybody else?

[3:54:18] I want to tell you I I would.

[3:54:19] I would recommend.

[3:54:22] A motion to approve.

[3:54:25] The full amount and we make up the delta.

[3:54:29] I think, I think we've got, we've got some funds that that are there.

[3:54:33] For these kinds, this is a quasi emergency.

[3:54:38] Use of our phones. I mean, it's not even quasi.

[3:54:41] It's damage that we've had for two years.

[3:54:45] If if if we don't do some of the reventment work.

[3:54:50] On both those bridges.

[3:54:51] And we have.

[3:54:52] What people are saying, some people are hoping and praying and so forth.

[3:54:57] Prognosticating.

[3:54:58] Then we're going to have severe flooding.

[3:55:02] In the near future, because of the.

[3:55:04] Tremendous El Nino.

[3:55:06] Has not hit.

[3:55:07] Arabella yet?

[3:55:11] Yes, yes, Commissioner Sherry Huddleston, McConnell Treasurer.

[3:55:15] I have to say that we did receive another one.

[3:55:17] $1,750,055.57.

[3:55:22] Reimbursement from our original FEMA disaster.

[3:55:25] So we're at over 900.

[3:55:27] 9,000,000 something getting refunded from FEMA.

[3:55:31] Of the original 10 million we spent, so we're doing really good.

[3:55:35] That may be another option to take it out of the disaster line.

[3:55:38] So I did put that money back in there.

[3:55:40] If this is for disaster repairing bridges.

[3:55:45] I'm good with that.

[3:55:47] OK, I'd like to entertain a motion that the.

[3:55:51] That we approve.

[3:55:52] Approve this.

[3:55:55] This expenditure.

[3:55:57] And take it out of the emergency fund. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we.

[3:56:04] Project.

[3:56:08] 2nd we have a second.

[3:56:11] Excuse me, I thought you, I thought you were interrupted.

[3:56:13] Agreements 1676 and Resolution 202710.

[3:56:18] With emergency.

[3:56:22] I think you're on the wrong 1. You need to go to 7.

[3:56:25] I apologize, guys. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we do the budget adjustment for award IFB.

[3:56:33] 2026-03R.

[3:56:36] Poe and Tully bridges using.

[3:56:39] Emergency umm.

[3:56:42] 2nd Madam Clerk, please.

[3:56:46] Commissioner Sarna.

[3:56:48] Aye, Commissioner Wilson.

[3:56:50] Commissioner Chavez.

[3:56:56] Commissioner Prather.

[3:56:57] Yes.

[3:56:58] Chair Fisher.

[3:57:03] Aye. Motion passes 3:00 to 2:00.

[3:57:07] There we go. All right. Thank you.

[3:57:11] Thank you.

[3:57:15] Always keeps it.

[3:57:16] You gotta say no sometimes.

[3:57:20] OK.

[3:57:23] The next is consideration to confirm the appointment of Nick Smolkovic as a member at large of the Land and Natural Resource

[3:57:26] Advisory.

[3:57:32] Good morning.

[3:57:39] Chair Commission. Stephanie Plenty.

[3:57:42] Technician.

[3:57:43] Today we're bringing forth.

[3:57:45] And a recommendation of approval to consider.

[3:57:50] Next month, Mitch as a member at large.

[3:57:54] The Land and Natural Resources Advisory Committee.

[3:57:58] Is to advise the Lincoln County Commission.

[3:58:01] On the responsible stewardship, conservation and sustainable use of public land and associated natural resources.

[3:58:08] The committee provides informed guidance that balances Environmental Protection.

[3:58:12] I would say economic rights.

[3:58:16] Production of private property.

[3:58:18] Water rights along the term.

[3:58:20] Regional resilience through science based and.

[3:58:23] Analysis. Stakeholders.

[3:58:25] Collaboration and transparent decision making.

[3:58:29] The natural, natural.

[3:58:30] Resources Advisory Committee held its regular meeting on September 9th.

[3:58:35] 2026.

[3:58:36] And it where discussion was held on the recommendation of appointment for Nick Smokovich to build a member at large vacancy.

[3:58:44] All members present at the meeting.

[3:58:46] Voted four and 04 against.

[3:58:53] Mr. Smokovich, she has something to say.

[3:58:56] I would just like to address.

[3:59:00] Mr. Chairman and Commission that.

[3:59:02] You know this is This is basically extension of what?

[3:59:05] The state of New Mexico is already asking me to do is to.

[3:59:08] Look at the natural resources.

[3:59:11] Here and and and.

[3:59:13] Be a technical advisor to the citizens in New Mexico.

[3:59:16] And so I'm honored.

[3:59:19] By the willingness of the Commission and to entertain this and.

[3:59:23] And to the Land Rock Committee for.

[3:59:25] For voting for it so.

[3:59:28] I'm here just to provide.

[3:59:30] Best information available.

[3:59:33] Commissioners.

[3:59:37] Mr. Wilson.

[3:59:38] I fully support this. I think that's this is a very.

[3:59:41] Wise selection and decision by.

[3:59:47] I agree and thank you.

[3:59:49] Mr. Smokovich.

[3:59:50] Thank you for stepping up.

[3:59:52] Nick, you're very welcome.

[3:59:55] Motion to approve.

[3:59:56] Make a motion that we appoint next Vukovic as a member at large.

[4:00:00] For land Recre.

[4:00:02] Surgeon. Land Clerk.

[4:00:08] Commissioner Chavez. Commissioner Sharna.

[4:00:14] Aye, Commissioner Prather.

[4:00:15] Commissioner Wilson, Chair. Fisher, motion.

[4:00:20] I was going to say.

[4:00:25] All right. I probably addressed the other member that's not.

[4:00:28] This one we have we have a letter from myself and.

[4:00:32] The chairman Barber that his seat has been vacated.

[4:00:35] Look for an appointment to fill his seat.

[4:00:39] Which is your district, Sir? So we need an appointment for your district.

[4:00:46] Next items are consent items.

[4:00:50] Do you have any want to pull out?

[4:01:09] 5.

[4:01:18] Anything else?

[4:01:22] Hearing none, I would entertain a motion to approve consent items.

[4:01:26] One through 4:00 and 6:00 and 7:00.

[4:01:29] Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make.

[4:01:30] Should be approved consent item.

[4:01:32] 12346 and 7.

[4:01:36] 2nd.

[4:01:38] Madam Clerk.

[4:01:41] Mr. Crater.

[4:01:43] Commissioner Chavez.

[4:01:44] Yes, Commissioner Sarna. Aye, Commissioner Wilson. Yes, Chair Fisher.

[4:01:48] Aye.

[4:01:49] #5 Commissioner Cerner, you wanted that pulled out.

[4:01:53] I want to talk about that.

[4:01:55] Who's got that?

[4:01:57] Agreement.

[4:02:00] Yes, Sir, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.

[4:02:02] This is your agreement.

[4:02:05] With the Lincoln County Humane Society.

[4:02:10] Umm.

[4:02:14] We did bring this before you.

[4:02:15] Last Commission meeting to discuss some some of the challenges that we're having.

[4:02:22] As it pertains to.

[4:02:25] Animal control as a whole, and maybe we.

[4:02:29] Might also ask for the sheriff and undersheriff to come up with if it's necessary.

[4:02:34] We modeled.

[4:02:36] The contract to be in line with the direction from the Commission.

[4:02:39] And the approved.

[4:02:42] Funding.

[4:02:42] It was allocated during our budget process.

[4:02:48] And also with.

[4:02:49] The Humane Society to not to exceed A200 animal limit.

[4:02:56] So that we could maintain service for the Sheriff's Office as we go through the year.

[4:03:01] Um.

[4:03:09] With this we did model it as a lump sum.

[4:03:12] Payment for the amount of animals.

[4:03:14] So if we would like to revise it to be a.

[4:03:17] Per animal basis, previously it was $250 an animal.

[4:03:22] Throughout the agreement so.

[4:03:25] With that will stand for questions. I don't know if you got anything one thing I wanted to.

[4:03:29] Correct on that. My name is Abel Guzman, Executive Director of the Humane Society.

[4:03:37] Commissioners.

[4:03:38] The $30,000 covers.

[4:03:43] 200 animals at $150.00 per annum.

[4:03:47] It's not 250.

[4:03:50] So once you go over that.

[4:03:51] It's 200.

[4:03:55] So I wanted to make that clear.

[4:03:58] There was a meeting that was held in August. There was a lot of questions that weren't answered and I'm here to answer those

[4:04:02] questions for you guys if needed.

[4:04:07] I mean, one of the, you know, I just want to let everybody know that, you know, we're not here to criticize anybody. You know,

[4:04:11] we're not here to ask for.

[4:04:16] A big check to give to us. We're not here to make money off of the animals. I think account, we're here to help out.

[4:04:22] The citizens of the county, we're here to work with the Sheriff's Department as we always have.

[4:04:27] I've been working for the Humane Society for the past 11 years and.

[4:04:31] This is the first time this has ever come up.

[4:04:34] And so we're just here to answer the questions that you had, Sir.

[4:04:38] You know, so I'm here.

[4:04:40] Ready to answer questions, whatever you guys have.

[4:04:43] I'm Debbie Barbie, the president of the Humane Society Board of Directors.

[4:04:48] And I know that you have been given some information about all that we provide for the.

[4:04:55] Flat fee that.

[4:04:57] We charge for the animals.

[4:04:58] We don't make any money on that. In fact, we lose money on each channel.

[4:05:03] So this is a service that we provide.

[4:05:07] To help you.

[4:05:11] And just to give you guys some numbers.

[4:05:15] Per day to care for an animal at the Humane Society is $44.50.

[4:05:21] If you call a boarding facility, it's between 40 and $60.00.

[4:05:26] For any boarding.

[4:05:29] The three day hold.

[4:05:31] Which is in accordance with the contract.

[4:05:33] Equals $133.25.

[4:05:36] That's just a three day hold.

[4:05:38] Now if it requires up to the five day hold, that's $222.18.

[4:05:45] An animal under our care from start to finish usually is 10 days. Within 10 days we have the animal.

[4:05:51] Already ready to go up for adoption?

[4:05:54] That cost for us.

[4:05:56] In total is $457.

[4:05:58] Per animal.

[4:06:01] Now the the percentage wise of what?

[4:06:05] Is covered Really.

[4:06:07] The $150.00.

[4:06:10] Base rate only covers 32% of that.

[4:06:14] We have to look for grants, we have to look for donation money to come in.

[4:06:18] To cover the rest of it.

[4:06:21] You know, we try and do our part.

[4:06:23] We've opened up new programs. There's programs out there to help.

[4:06:28] With spaying and neutering, you know, since COVID, we've seen an uptake in animals.

[4:06:34] IN200052526 you had 277 animals come in.

[4:06:40] Back in 2015, 2016 year, there was only 116.

[4:06:45] There's been an uptick and it's still going up.

[4:06:48] Back after COVID was over with, we went to each entity within Lincoln County and said this is going to be a problem.

[4:06:56] We created a solution.

[4:06:58] You know, mandatory spaying, neutering, and doesn't have to be smashed right off the bat that you need to.

[4:07:04] Put these ordinances in into effect.

[4:07:07] No, we worked with.

[4:07:09] Ruidoso, Rodoso Downs. You know, there was a time period to let everybody know, hey, this is going to be coming up. This ordinance

[4:07:14] is going to be put into place.

[4:07:18] We gave free microchips to.

[4:07:21] Those entities to help out.

[4:07:24] We created these programs. There's free spay neuter that's going on.

[4:07:29] In Mescalero to help out with that we have free spay neuter and.

[4:07:33] February through our.

[4:07:35] Organization, there's low cost spay neuter.

[4:07:38] $45.00 to get an animal Spain and neutered.

[4:07:41] There's low cost microchipping, there's low cost vaccinations, so we've done a lot to get to this point to help out.

[4:07:47] We need you guys to meet us halfways on this.

[4:07:50] We're not asking for more money, we're just asking.

[4:07:54] You know.

[4:07:56] To get this problem under control, these ordinances need to be set in place.

[4:08:00] Or else it's going to get even more out of control.

[4:08:05] We need your help.

[4:08:07] You know, again, we're not here to make money off of the animals. No, we there's no way for a nonprofit to make money.

[4:08:13] There's not.

[4:08:15] But we need your help to continue.

[4:08:18] This is for the residents of Lincoln County.

[4:08:22] Currently with no contract in place.

[4:08:25] We have residents call, call.

[4:08:27] The shelter and they want.

[4:08:30] Help with animals that are at large.

[4:08:34] They had to call the Sheriff's Office. We just heard the sheriff's offices got a lot of things to catch. Bad guys they don't need

[4:08:37] to go out and catch.

[4:08:42] A litter of kittens that are left on the side of the road.

[4:08:45] But that's a traffic hazard too, so it's a safety matter.

[4:08:50] And this is something that we have to tell them, sorry, we can't take them right now because.

[4:08:58] There's no contract in place.

[4:09:00] We're not allowed to take them at this time.

[4:09:03] So there's a lot of backlash from that.

[4:09:07] And then one of the questions you had is how do we verify?

[4:09:11] Where this animal came from?

[4:09:13] You know, we try and document the precise address, the location where the animals picked up from.

[4:09:19] In doing so, you know it keeps the call from ever reaching the Sheriff's Department if somebody from the public does this.

[4:09:26] We collect the name, the address, telephone number of that person, their license, everything to verify this information.

[4:09:33] We verify the location to make sure it's within the county if they tell us. We picked up this animal on Airport Rd.

[4:09:41] You know, it, it it's county, you know, if they say we picked this animal up at Shell station.

[4:09:47] In Alto we know that Shell station is.

[4:09:50] Ruidoso, you know, we know that where these areas are and.

[4:09:54] The fact that the public is picking up.

[4:09:57] The animals is saving.

[4:09:59] The Sheriff's Department having to go out.

[4:10:02] Leave their post.

[4:10:04] Use their vehicle. Put mileage on that vehicle.

[4:10:08] They don't have to do that.

[4:10:09] Well, right now from my understanding there is no animal control.

[4:10:14] When Animal Control was sent in place, we had.

[4:10:17] Great communication. We the numbers were.

[4:10:21] 225 at 1.222 but without that communication.

[4:10:28] We did really know.

[4:10:29] Things get.

[4:10:37] This is this is a vexing.

[4:10:40] Problem for us.

[4:10:44] If you subsidized something.

[4:10:46] He grows.

[4:10:49] And you can see that we did not have a unanimous decision here.

[4:10:54] For public safety.

[4:10:57] Because of the expense.

[4:10:58] Because we are limited.

[4:11:00] And we're expecting to have more.

[4:11:03] More disastrous for people.

[4:11:05] Right, so.

[4:11:07] So if we said.

[4:11:09] If if we if we allocate it.

[4:11:12] I'm not going to, but if we allocated more money then then.

[4:11:15] We're not solving the problem.

[4:11:17] I think you, I think you brought that point up and we're going to, we're going to look at our ordinances.

[4:11:22] But it's very difficult.

[4:11:24] To enforce these things when you have.

[4:11:28] People who just are not responsible.

[4:11:30] Arabella Rd. is a very favorite place.

[4:11:33] For dumping off animals.

[4:11:36] I picked up a couple and it did not take them to you.

[4:11:39] And I did not shoot them.

[4:11:41] We took, we found homes for it.

[4:11:46] But.

[4:11:48] It looks like it has a never ending.

[4:11:52] Growth potential.

[4:11:55] And we have to somehow.

[4:11:57] Put some pressure back.

[4:11:59] For the citizens of this county.

[4:12:02] And this is the only way we know how to do that.

[4:12:06] We don't have.

[4:12:07] We don't have other tools available. We can't make people.

[4:12:11] Be responsible.

[4:12:12] Machine, if you don't mind me speaking, that's a problem that Rudoso had, Rodoso Downs had.

[4:12:18] Until they enforce these ordinances.

[4:12:20] They put them into place.

[4:12:22] Ruidoso was bringing in 650 animals a year.

[4:12:26] And right now, they're averaging between 380 and 400.

[4:12:30] Ruidoso Downs was bringing in close to 300 animals. They've gone down.

[4:12:35] I think right now they're bringing in 210.

[4:12:39] And they just changed their ordinance last year.

[4:12:42] So it works.

[4:12:45] It's just making sure that.

[4:12:47] The ordinances are set in place and there's somebody to.

[4:12:51] Be there to make sure that the citizens.

[4:12:54] This is why we've also put in place ways for people to get.

[4:12:58] To be in compliance.

[4:13:01] We have.

[4:13:01] All these programs were even for feral cats.

[4:13:05] We have a trap and release program.

[4:13:07] Where you can get them spayed or neutered and return them back to the community.

[4:13:11] We have.

[4:13:13] Low income vouchers for spay and neuter.

[4:13:16] We have a program that we've developed for people that don't fall into that.

[4:13:21] That where we can pay half of it at the vet so they can do it.

[4:13:25] So we encourage people to use our programs. We've developed them.

[4:13:29] Because that's what we have to do is turn it off at the faucet.

[4:13:32] Quit having all these unwanted litters. We very much appreciate your efforts. I don't know if, Commissioner.

[4:13:40] How many intakes of animals have you all received from the county?

[4:13:44] Since July, it's been 51.

[4:13:47] And you stopped receiving county animals.

[4:13:51] Well.

[4:13:54] Go ahead, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner.

[4:13:56] They still have and further our direction, and in your direction they are.

[4:14:01] Will still take animals from the sheriff we.

[4:14:03] Asked them to not take animals from the public.

[4:14:06] And that's where the.

[4:14:08] Maybe a miscommunication or confusion is is.

[4:14:11] We asked them to.

[4:14:12] Not allow public animals which were.

[4:14:14] It's my understanding there were $250 a piece. Well either way it's.

[4:14:17] Up to the 200 animal limit, be it from the sheriff or from the public.

[4:14:21] Anything in excess of that 200 animals is $250 an hour.

[4:14:26] The Commissioners and one thing to take into consideration, you are going to see an uptake.

[4:14:31] During this time of the year, because this puppy and kitten season, it always happens the first part of this time.

[4:14:37] There's going to be an high increase.

[4:14:39] When fall winter comes around it.

[4:14:41] Dramatically goes down until spring again when puppy and kitten season starts over again.

[4:14:47] So that this dramatic increase that we're seeing, it happens not even only for the county, but for Ruidoso, Ruidoso Downs,

[4:14:51] Capitan, Carrizozo, we see that.

[4:14:56] It's a norm.

[4:14:57] The other thing we've done to try and help animal control?

[4:15:01] With other entities as we've provided them with the.

[4:15:06] Scanner for the microchip.

[4:15:08] If they're required to have a microchip, a.

[4:15:11] Officer can just have their wand.

[4:15:15] See where it belongs. If it belongs down there, they take it over there and it doesn't come to the shelter.

[4:15:20] So there's no.

[4:15:21] Cost and commissioners. There was an example of that last week where two boxers were out in the county area. They got caught and

[4:15:26] by a citizen.

[4:15:32] And they weren't able to bring it in. There wasn't deputies available to to help.

[4:15:37] Bring it in. They ended up bringing in the animals. We scanned it, they had my microchip and within 5 minutes we found the owners

[4:15:40] where they were from.

[4:15:45] So that's again an example of how microchips can help.

[4:15:49] Our database is available to the deputies to animal control where they could go in themselves. If the animal has a microchip, they

[4:15:53] don't have to make the trip to us.

[4:15:57] It seems gas. It saves time.

[4:16:00] I don't have a quick question for you, please. I was under the influence, Mr. Sheriff, that we had an animal control. We just

[4:16:06] actually increased the pay rate. That position is not currently filled. Yeah.

[4:16:12] Chair. Chairman Fisher.

[4:16:14] Commissioner Prater.

[4:16:15] We do have that position. The current animal control officer resigned yesterday.

[4:16:21] So we have that position. We just got to refill.

[4:16:25] Yes, Sir. OK.

[4:16:26] What about the wand? You guys said that you guys?

[4:16:28] Usually provide those. We did provide them. It's in the, it's in the animal control truck. It should be there. That's the last

[4:16:32] that we know of.

[4:16:36] Well, the matter, the matter before us, unless there's any.

[4:16:39] Particular questions.

[4:16:40] Regarding the matter.

[4:16:42] Is the approval.

[4:16:44] Of #5 the Agreement, 1658.

[4:16:50] Facilities with me.

[4:16:58] You still have just another question.

[4:17:00] Please.

[4:17:03] Appears that we're trending to.

[4:17:05] Go over the 200 animal limit. And so that's my concern.

[4:17:10] Or is this 30,000 sufficient?

[4:17:13] Because I would much rather pay you all the $150.00 up front.

[4:17:19] And increase our number.

[4:17:21] As opposed to that $250?

[4:17:24] Number when we surpassed 200 animals.

[4:17:28] So commissioners is one other thing I want and now that you brought that up.

[4:17:32] One other way that we help out the county.

[4:17:34] Is whenever there's.

[4:17:37] Court holes.

[4:17:39] We've had 6 animals there.

[4:17:42] At our facility that were put on hold for a court case.

[4:17:47] You can imagine how much that's increased.

[4:17:50] How much money?

[4:17:51] Is old but.

[4:17:53] We don't charge the county for that.

[4:17:55] Unfortunately, we don't even see that money.

[4:17:57] We've held these animals for six months.

[4:18:00] Each animal for six months is $3000.

[4:18:05] So just to give you guys an example.

[4:18:07] That's something that doesn't go towards you guys.

[4:18:10] We go ahead and take up that card.

[4:18:13] But I guess she wants to know. But do they need more and?

[4:18:17] What you need I'm going to give you an example of Ruidoso Downs. Their contract is at $35,000 for.

[4:18:23] 200 animals.

[4:18:24] And for the first year when they did that contract, we're willing to give an extra 20 animals. We'll take up that cost.

[4:18:31] But the key part is again the.

[4:18:36] This problem is going to continue until something is done with the ordinances.

[4:18:41] Mr. Chairman.

[4:18:42] Commissioner.

[4:18:44] And maybe with both of them here we can make a.

[4:18:47] Consideration to the contract.

[4:18:51] That we might have it as a.

[4:18:53] $150.00 per animal with a not to exceed limit.

[4:18:56] If that would be acceptable to.

[4:18:59] And then that way we can.

[4:19:01] Track as it's going and.

[4:19:02] Proposing not to exceed limit, and if it's going to exceed, we can come back and request more funding.

[4:19:09] Yes.

[4:19:10] I think that's what we have.

[4:19:12] Sir, the way it's currently set up, which is.

[4:19:14] The way we set up all of your external requests this year is as lump sums.

[4:19:18] For their requested services and we.

[4:19:20] Did them the same, the only difference in their contractors it has an actual.

[4:19:25] There's not a 200.

[4:19:27] Right, so.

[4:19:29] What I'm suggesting here is that instead of having a lump sum, we make it a unit based contract for $150.00 an hour per animal and

[4:19:33] then that'll allow us.

[4:19:39] To go through the year and track the cost, not knowing because the the intake is going to be variable based on the sheriff's.

[4:19:47] And the intake of the Humane Society.

[4:19:50] Well, I'm, I'm OK with that, I mean.

[4:19:52] Very similar to what we've just established other than.

[4:19:55] Than we being billed monthly.

[4:19:58] You're giving them a lump sum for 200.

[4:20:01] That's what it says, right? That's what it says. I'm.

[4:20:04] I'm suggesting A revision, Sir.

[4:20:06] That we change it to a per unit basis instead of a long for the purposes of understanding the rate of.

[4:20:12] Consumption of the money, understanding the rate of intake, but also so did allow, you know like you said, the puppies and the

[4:20:18] kittens and the intake, we can kind of manage that on a per unit basis and it's not just a hard $30,000 number.

[4:20:26] Then what's the?

[4:20:27] Up You know what's the top end?

[4:20:30] That's kind of something we we decide later.

[4:20:33] We can set it right now at.

[4:20:35] You know 30,000 or even if we want to make a suggestion to increase it a little bit, I can tell you last year our overall.

[4:20:41] Final.

[4:20:42] Pavement to the.

[4:20:44] Hawaiian society was $45,000.

[4:20:48] It would be at the discretion of the Commission.

[4:20:53] I I say we keep it at 30,000.

[4:20:56] I say that if you want to want to.

[4:20:58] Not have it a per unit basis that to track for the purposes of tracking at 150 which is the same.

[4:21:04] Amount that you.

[4:21:06] Have having this agreement.

[4:21:08] I don't have a problem with that.

[4:21:10] I almost don't understand the difference other than.

[4:21:13] Will be able to track the consumption. It would give us the ability to increase it if.

[4:21:17] Need be, Sir.

[4:21:19] So if we have that now, if we go over, we're paying $100 extra. Yeah, if we go over, we're paying 100. So I'd rather not. So I'd

[4:21:23] rather.

[4:21:27] I'm I'm with you. I'd rather.

[4:21:29] Say, let's up it to 40,000.

[4:21:32] That gives our intake to 266.

[4:21:35] Units going to you guys.

[4:21:37] And then what happens on 267?

[4:21:42] We tracked that because they do invoices.

[4:21:44] Monthly.

[4:21:45] They do provide us their intake numbers.

[4:21:47] And that if we get close to that amount, we'll bring it back and ask for additional funding because apparently you said that last

[4:21:51] year we paid.

[4:21:55] 4545 thousand, so that's $15,000 more so.

[4:22:03] Is is. So I read this.

[4:22:06] And it looks like they're it's already in not to exceed limit.

[4:22:11] It is currently not to exceed limit, but the payment on it is a lump sum.

[4:22:15] Could be invoiced as a lump sum. I see that here so.

[4:22:18] It's essentially this.

[4:22:20] It's authority enough to exceed in this agreement, correct? But we would revise that lump sum to a.

[4:22:25] Per unit intake.

[4:22:28] Not to exceed.

[4:22:30] Not to exceed.

[4:22:31] Whatever amount that.

[4:22:32] Commission, uh.

[4:22:36] I think that's the point.

[4:22:38] What is? What is our top?

[4:22:39] Top dollar, that's what I asked.

[4:22:42] You're saying 45?

[4:22:43] That's what we were at last year, that's what we were at last year was 45,000 so.

[4:22:48] So so if we're.

[4:22:50] So the point is.

[4:22:51] If we happen to be 250.

[4:22:54] For 200.

[4:22:55] It would be less than 45,000.

[4:22:57] Just if we got up to 266.

[4:22:59] And they can't do the math in my head right now, but it would be 45,000.

[4:23:05] 266 is 40,000.

[4:23:07] Yeah, 40,000. OK, Thank you.

[4:23:10] I told you I couldn't do that in my head.

[4:23:14] Yes, Mr. Wilson. But I think if we're doing this on a per unit basis, it really doesn't matter where the ultimate.

[4:23:19] Final number is, we can adjust it as.

[4:23:22] I think this is upfront money though.

[4:23:25] They're asking for the money up front, so no Sir. The the invoice comes as invoices.

[4:23:30] As the animals are in touch as we do accordingly invoices to you.

[4:23:35] That's what we do so. But if we exceed the.

[4:23:39] $30,000 it bumps the price up to 200.

[4:23:43] 250A unit.

[4:23:45] Correct. So I would rather I would rather make a deal with you.

[4:23:49] Where I have this many units instead of that many units where I don't exceed.

[4:23:55] The $100 extra per.

[4:23:58] I understand.

[4:24:00] One more question. Yes, Sir.

[4:24:01] So if the 51 intakes that you've had this far.

[4:24:04] Fiscal year How many are from the sheriff and how many are from?

[4:24:07] I have that right here.

[4:24:11] So the Sheriff's Department has brought in 13. Public has brought 38.

[4:24:15] So if if we proceed with the sheriff, then we'll.

[4:24:19] Just a sharp intake of old.

[4:24:21] Remain well under that.

[4:24:23] So what is the public do?

[4:24:26] There's been public backlash. I don't know if you guys have received calls, but and you all have received pressure from the public

[4:24:29] as well.

[4:24:33] In the contract is the all the previous contracts I could give them to you from 2015 on it's always said that public are able to

[4:24:36] bring in.

[4:24:43] I have them with me.

[4:24:50] Sorry so.

[4:24:59] I'd say Puppet.

[4:25:05] So so last year was 266 total public and.

[4:25:08] And two 77277 now.

[4:25:12] Public and the Sheriff's Office.

[4:25:15] And what do we need to cover that?

[4:25:17] We said we had 40,000, we could do 2, so it would be 45,000 to.

[4:25:22] Cover that.

[4:25:23] If you guys want, I'll give you an additional 20.

[4:25:26] It won't take cost that cost if you guys hold.

[4:25:31] 45,000 at 150. An animal would be 300 animals.

[4:25:34] The exact math is 41,550.

[4:25:38] Is the answer to your question, Chairman.

[4:25:40] And then he said he would throw 20 in on top of it. We'll take on the customs.

[4:25:46] But again, I think you guys.

[4:25:48] Can get your numbers done with them.

[4:25:51] It's improving two different entities.

[4:25:55] And that number can go down.

[4:25:56] From 40,000 to less.

[4:25:58] We're trying to save you guys money. It's a circle.

[4:26:01] It'll save Sheriff's Department money, US money, you guys money.

[4:26:06] In the long run.

[4:26:07] What's the sense of the Commission? Sorry, Mr. Prather, you have something else to say? Yes, Sir. If we, if we were going to go

[4:26:13] ahead and update it to $41,550 and we only go to, let's just say 250 animals as opposed to 277, we're not getting over or we're

[4:26:19] not going to be overcharged.

[4:26:26] In conjunction with.

[4:26:28] OK, so it could be a $35,000 bill said and done.

[4:26:33] This is just a promissory note saying that hey, if we do get up to 277.

[4:26:41] So my suggestion would be that we a lot of 41,550.

[4:26:47] Pam up front for that.

[4:26:49] Is that is that the day or just?

[4:26:51] Poorly filled quarter getting quarterly, Bill, yeah.

[4:26:54] That's fine.

[4:26:55] I don't have a problem with that. Beats 250.

[4:27:02] That's fine. Hopefully we're less.

[4:27:05] Or Mr. Chairman of.

[4:27:07] On a budgeting site, can I make a recommendation? We round up the 42,000.

[4:27:12] Sure, 42,000 in in a different fund.

[4:27:17] OK. Build quarterly.

[4:27:19] When we start, we look at the trend lines. We will need a report quarterly.

[4:27:24] Says where we're at, what we need to do.

[4:27:27] To understand what we're happening, I want to make sure the Sheriff's Office has a place to.

[4:27:31] Dump these animals and I guess the public as well.

[4:27:35] All right.

[4:27:37] Need a motion? Somebody work on motion up that makes sense out of this mess.

[4:27:41] I make a motion.

[4:27:43] To consent item number 5.

[4:27:46] With so said changes.

[4:27:53] Just for clarification, it's my understanding that we will revise their contract to be at $150.00 per animal.

[4:28:02] Up to and not to exceed amount of $42,000 and we will revise the eligible animals to allow for the public.

[4:28:08] To surrender, surrender animals as long as they came from the unincorporated county.

[4:28:16] Is there anything you would like us to do to better?

[4:28:19] Find out where these animals come from is that?

[4:28:21] Is there anything else you can do?

[4:28:26] I would not like you to go anywhere.

[4:28:31] If you use your all right, so we have a motion.

[4:28:33] Need a second, I'll second that.

[4:28:36] Madam Clerk.

[4:28:44] Thank you for the deal.

[4:28:47] We're here to help.

[4:28:48] Yes, Commissioner Serna. Commissioner, Commissioner Wilson.

[4:28:54] Chair Fischer.

[4:28:59] Aye. Motion passes 4:00 to 1:00.

[4:29:02] Thank you.

[4:29:03] Thank you guys for coming.

[4:29:06] We do have the ordinance, all right. We're going to recess for more minutes.

[4:29:11] And then we're gonna bring you bring you up, Sir.

[4:29:15] Power through.

[4:29:17] Billy Bob.

[4:29:19] The first thing I want to talk about since we've got.

[4:29:23] Mr. Billy Bob Schaefer, Yeah.

[4:29:25] Is we want to talk about the discussion direction regarding current Lincoln County Fairgrounds improvement project including

[4:29:29] project status, plans, layout.

[4:29:33] Instruction schedule and thank you, Sir, for waiting so long patiently.

[4:29:39] We could get up there, Billy Bob. Yeah, finally.

[4:29:55] So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.

[4:30:01] In regards to our fairgrounds project with our EDA grant.

[4:30:07] We.

[4:30:12] We have made we brought this to you a couple times.

[4:30:15] For direction discussion, we passed several.

[4:30:23] Really. Ideas and reviews?

[4:30:26] That so if I get it all really good.

[4:30:34] The.

[4:30:38] This has been a fairly.

[4:30:41] Complex.

[4:30:42] Project umm.

[4:30:44] As we've had our scope of work.

[4:30:47] And trying to fit a project that.

[4:30:52] Fits within the EDA scope.

[4:30:54] That is, uh.

[4:30:55] Acceptable to the Commission and then fits.

[4:30:57] The requirements of.

[4:30:59] The facility.

[4:31:03] So when we first brought this to you.

[4:31:06] Or when we first started this, and I've come on, this was a covered arena.

[4:31:10] After we've done some.

[4:31:13] Research and.

[4:31:14] Or some discussions. We decided that we wanted to have more of an open.

[4:31:18] Open air concept with the horseshoe. So as we've had some conceptual designs completed on that that we've presented to you.

[4:31:26] We exceeded our budget.

[4:31:28] Fairly substantially.

[4:31:30] And it ended up to being where just the arena alone was going to be a.

[4:31:34] $6 million.

[4:31:36] Development estimated.

[4:31:39] As we continue to try to.

[4:31:41] Get this thing to fruition.

[4:31:43] And several of the concepts.

[4:31:46] We came back and made a recommendation to.

[4:31:49] Look at the practice arena and and potentially a pig barn and Fletcher and.

[4:31:54] We were. We were told that the priority wanted to be.

[4:31:57] The Arena.

[4:31:58] So as we've gone through this.

[4:32:01] What we've come to.

[4:32:03] Is.

[4:32:04] What you see on the?

[4:32:07] The board and we can kind of go through this a little bit, but.

[4:32:11] Were the north side of this would be over here.

[4:32:17] This will be where Fletcher Hall if you can see my mouse over here.

[4:32:20] The current show barn your pig barn to be over here this.

[4:32:23] Blue building right over here.

[4:32:26] Is essentially an approximate location of the current bathroom that is installed.

[4:32:31] So you can see.

[4:32:32] What we're trying to accomplish here.

[4:32:35] What this allows us to do is to.

[4:32:38] Fit a price point of our project.

[4:32:41] And what I mean by that when I say is if you look at the seating, what we're currently planning is a.

[4:32:47] Certain amount of number of.

[4:32:49] Fold down seats, there's going to be the majority are going to be.

[4:32:52] Aluminum seats with backs.

[4:32:56] It'll be all ADA compliant.

[4:32:59] With ADA ramps there are cutouts.

[4:33:03] For ABA compliance, you can see this. We've talked to a few vendors.

[4:33:08] That are. I don't know where that went.

[4:33:10] Sorry I'm.

[4:33:11] Too many.

[4:33:12] Tabs.

[4:33:15] It's not clean up. I apologize.

[4:33:18] Anyway.

[4:33:21] Trying to find the right tab, but anyway, we've had several conversations with.

[4:33:26] Seating vendors that are on state pricing agreement to look at doing.

[4:33:30] Bleachers that you would see at a football stadium or a.

[4:33:33] Softball Complex.

[4:33:35] Currently in this configuration.

[4:33:39] I lost my sticky note.

[4:33:41] I we are at.

[4:33:43] 400.

[4:33:45] Approximate seats.

[4:33:49] We've also had some conversations regarding.

[4:33:52] Not only maximizing the capacity of the facility, but also for.

[4:33:56] Flow of stock.

[4:33:57] During our events.

[4:34:01] As such, we we did move the roping.

[4:34:04] Shoot, which was currently on the.

[4:34:08] West side over here now to the east side and offset it also with gates. They're wide enough to accommodate tractors and

[4:34:12] ambulances.

[4:34:16] On both sides of.

[4:34:18] The Arena.

[4:34:20] The other thing that this allows for, which is a current concern, is walkways currently around.

[4:34:26] The front of the.

[4:34:27] Sitting areas.

[4:34:28] Right now, access into additional sitting areas is.

[4:34:32] Difficult to access.

[4:34:34] But this allows us to scale up and scale down based on our price point.

[4:34:39] So we've also looked at reconfiguring the pin.

[4:34:42] The pins. This is currently where the buck and chutes sit. Right now they would be moved.

[4:34:47] Back.

[4:34:48] To the South.

[4:34:51] But you can see the flow for the bucking shoots and this also vastly increases the.

[4:34:55] Capacity for.

[4:34:56] Holding which meets.

[4:34:58] Spirit of.

[4:34:59] The scope.

[4:35:00] Would be an evacuation Center for animals in the event of disasters so.

[4:35:08] We have.

[4:35:09] Provided you a.

[4:35:10] Very rough estimate on what we're expecting.

[4:35:13] For this to cost with our arena seating being about a million.

[4:35:17] We're going to have a civil site works 4 to 500,000 structural foundations.

[4:35:22] Arena facility, lighting, electrical infrastructure.

[4:35:26] Arena coverings. The pins.

[4:35:30] And our demolition work, so.

[4:35:33] We're working through this as a step by step more towards construction.

[4:35:37] And and what our hope is, is to finalize our plan and our layouts.

[4:35:42] We've already talked to local.

[4:35:44] Vendors for shades.

[4:35:46] We have confirmed our procurement process with EDA that they're going to approve.

[4:35:50] Or have approved.

[4:35:55] So we are moving along with this diligently.

[4:35:58] And I have.

[4:35:58] Billy Bob here.

[4:36:02] As we have reviewed this with Billy Bob and.

[4:36:05] The fair board a couple times.

[4:36:07] But also because.

[4:36:08] We are very much trying to.

[4:36:10] Ensure that we do not interfere.

[4:36:13] With current events, at least our major events.

[4:36:15] Being that.

[4:36:17] We have college rodeo that's coming up.

[4:36:19] And then?

[4:36:20] To ensure that as we start on this, that we make sure that this is done and ready to be used.

[4:36:26] By 4th of July next year.

[4:36:29] So, umm.

[4:36:34] Kind of just.

[4:36:36] You know, we're, we're ensuring we do have the engineer that's been on it.

[4:36:40] All along maintaining our compliance with EDA.

[4:36:43] And the reporting aspects of it.

[4:36:45] We were trying to prioritize our construction, make sure we get shows in the dirt and we get this thing.

[4:36:50] Substantially moving, we have.

[4:36:52] Officially with EDA started construction.

[4:36:57] But we want to ensure that we start some.

[4:36:59] Substantial.

[4:37:00] Work soon, but we also don't want to jump the gun on this and go over there and start tearing stuff out.

[4:37:06] Prior to.

[4:37:07] Being ready and interfering with what's currently going on.

[4:37:14] And then also making sure that whatever we do.

[4:37:16] That we are not.

[4:37:18] That we keep our major draws to the area.

[4:37:23] Established for our next year's events that are already scheduled.

[4:37:26] So I don't know if you've got me.

[4:37:30] You have anything you want to say? Billy Bob Schaefer, president and the Fair boy.

[4:37:36] Mr. Chairman, Commission.

[4:37:38] The February.

[4:37:40] Looked at this we made.

[4:37:43] I mean, I've.

[4:37:44] Probably do Jason's.

[4:37:47] Just like we've changed his mind several times trying to get.

[4:37:50] What we think will work, we think this plan will work.

[4:37:53] We think it's.

[4:37:56] Make our facility better. Last year we had.

[4:37:59] Two nights where?

[4:38:00] We turn people away. We had no more room.

[4:38:03] I think the night that you were there, Mr. Fisher, you can find the chair either.

[4:38:08] And so.

[4:38:09] I hope some of you came and liked it, but we think this is a workable.

[4:38:13] Deal with the fair boards for this.

[4:38:19] Yes, Sir. Question. Yeah. At what point were you turning people away? How many people can we?

[4:38:24] Well, last year we could. We could see.

[4:38:27] I think.

[4:38:28] 1800 is about what we figure, so we're going almost coming in.

[4:38:32] And so I.

[4:38:36] I don't think that.

[4:38:39] That we're going to run short with this facility.

[4:38:42] Because tonight.

[4:38:44] Out of the four or.

[4:38:46] We start on a.

[4:38:48] End on a Sunday. People have to go to work Monday so they don't come on Sunday, so we have short night.

[4:38:53] With the weekend night, just when we.

[4:38:55] Renewal capacity.

[4:39:00] Good. Anything else?

[4:39:02] So it's my understanding that the dimensions.

[4:39:07] Of the arena have been.

[4:39:10] Large. This is definitely whiter.

[4:39:14] Yes, and that's in.

[4:39:15] Tell me. I think that's important to make it.

[4:39:19] PRCA compliant.

[4:39:21] National Finals Rodeo. I mean you do barrels and so on. You need to have 150.

[4:39:27] Feet and width.

[4:39:30] I think it's also good for the rough stock too.

[4:39:32] Have that extra width.

[4:39:34] And I think what that does for the county.

[4:39:38] Not only do we support.

[4:39:40] Our Stampede, which is the premier event.

[4:39:44] But we also have Enmur.

[4:39:47] Right, their rodeo program.

[4:39:49] And they're gonna.

[4:39:50] Want to be compliant?

[4:39:51] With national standards.

[4:39:53] This will meet.

[4:39:55] You might be able to bring in other events that we don't currently have because it's just, well, you know.

[4:40:01] It's, it's not, it's not the same size as a normal arena.

[4:40:05] With might be.

[4:40:06] This takes care of that problem.

[4:40:09] I think that's important for this county going forward because I'd like to see.

[4:40:14] My hope is is that.

[4:40:16] Not only do we have the Stampede and the ranch rodeos, which I enjoyed.

[4:40:20] Tremendously.

[4:40:22] But we can also bring other national events here in the future.

[4:40:27] And turn this into something that.

[4:40:30] More than just for a couple of 3 or 4 events.

[4:40:33] Yeah, well, don't forget that the LC.

[4:40:36] Is the Lincoln County Youth Rotary Association.

[4:40:39] They wrote you all summer.

[4:40:40] Yeah, and that place is packed when they're there. Yeah, it is.

[4:40:45] It's a big deal.

[4:40:46] Lovely to see too.

[4:40:49] Kendall's kids are in.

[4:40:50] And involved in.

[4:40:54] Back to the infrastructure.

[4:40:56] What? Umm.

[4:40:58] Does this.

[4:41:00] $4 million.

[4:41:02] Cover I see where it says to be finalized for building improvements. What is that?

[4:41:07] Going to Intel so.

[4:41:10] Madam Commissioner.

[4:41:17] We are going to be able and as I put these numbers and we finalize them, we'll be able to bring you a very much more detailed.

[4:41:24] Expenditure and budget on the project.

[4:41:26] We're looking at.

[4:41:29] $1,000,000 for seating.

[4:41:31] We're looking at, you know the the cost for the shades, the large one is $106,000. This ones they're $60,000.

[4:41:38] The other thing that we're going to need to do is as we figure out, we need to go over there and.

[4:41:44] We have to run a procurement process off of our current on calls. We're going to have to.

[4:41:49] Pull a Davis Bacon wage decision to ensure that we're compliant with that so that we have a way to begin talking to contractors

[4:41:53] and get actual numbers that it is compliant with EDA.

[4:42:02] As we were able to finalize these numbers.

[4:42:04] The hope?

[4:42:05] Is that this will come in.

[4:42:07] Under budget.

[4:42:08] The other thing that we are doing is that there is several.

[4:42:14] Components.

[4:42:15] To the.

[4:42:17] Restock Arena, the panels, the chutes.

[4:42:19] That have already been purchased and we're going to take inventory of that and see what can currently be reused as it is portable

[4:42:23] and we can reshape it and put it back down.

[4:42:29] We're also evaluating this.

[4:42:31] Sufficient amount of LED lights that we can light this thing up.

[4:42:34] So and that's.

[4:42:35] What's nice about this is we can make sure we're up and down, but the goal on this is to complete this for under the 4 million and

[4:42:38] be able to complete a.

[4:42:42] In addition to Project B, that either Fletcher Hall.

[4:42:45] Or the covered animal.

[4:42:47] Pig barn that we're calling the pig barn back here.

[4:42:51] That is the goal.

[4:42:53] I'm just trying to.

[4:42:59] Understand how this meets the.

[4:43:01] Evacuation facility.

[4:43:03] Also.

[4:43:05] When we evacuate, do they utilize the pig barn in all of that area to pin their animals?

[4:43:11] Well, if the last.

[4:43:14] Yeah.

[4:43:16] Down there every answer that place.

[4:43:20] There were tents under the pig bar.

[4:43:23] But the way we.

[4:43:24] Are you asking about?

[4:43:26] The pig barn where?

[4:43:27] I think she's asking about evacuations for animals.

[4:43:30] Just in general, with the these improvements, will they serve a dual purpose for the evacuation?

[4:43:36] As well as.

[4:43:38] Well, Oh yeah, they should, because it's a.

[4:43:41] When the fire is in Ruidoso and the floods.

[4:43:44] We got let in.

[4:43:46] But this year, the fire on the mountain.

[4:43:49] It was burning the mountain.

[4:43:52] We didn't have animals, we had people.

[4:43:54] And so I think.

[4:43:56] That that is going to be a facility to house a lot of animals.

[4:44:02] So it's a dual purpose? It's a dual purpose, yes.

[4:44:06] That was my question, just to make sure that we're meeting the intent of the.

[4:44:10] Grant Oh yeah, I think so. I think this alone where this instant.

[4:44:16] The animal rescue effort.

[4:44:20] If you look at it, I.

[4:44:22] The way I see it.

[4:44:24] The capacity.

[4:44:26] Is bigger.

[4:44:28] The handling of the livestock will permit you to do different things.

[4:44:34] That we couldn't do before.

[4:44:36] Because that's much neater.

[4:44:38] Run right.

[4:44:42] The other the other building some improvements that that one could do which are low cost like the pig barn.

[4:44:48] As an example, I to use that term but.

[4:44:51] A lot of pigs in there from time to time.

[4:44:54] Really requires.

[4:44:56] Lower cost improvements.

[4:44:58] Than what you're seeing there.

[4:45:00] You could.

[4:45:02] And I'm, I'm not talking for my myself. I'm talking people. I talk to Billy Bob.

[4:45:07] Who use that facility?

[4:45:09] They're reasonably happy, even though it's a, it's a pole barn, right? It's a pipe barn.

[4:45:14] Covering uh.

[4:45:15] If you would.

[4:45:16] Increase the amount of electricity available back there.

[4:45:20] The amount of water that's available back there.

[4:45:24] It would even be more suitable and it's kind of a low cost.

[4:45:27] Upgrade, yeah.

[4:45:28] Needs to happen anyway for the.

[4:45:30] The people that are showing their animals.

[4:45:32] But from an evacuation standpoint.

[4:45:35] It would also.

[4:45:36] Facilitate that and that's.

[4:45:37] That's a low cost.

[4:45:38] Part of this project.

[4:45:40] And that's an incorporated in this design, I think so I.

[4:45:44] I think so.

[4:45:46] It's been talked about. He doesn't. He doesn't have a picture of it up there, but you can imagine if you walked under.

[4:45:51] Underneath there, you know, in the summer when it's really hot.

[4:45:54] They got a few box fans.

[4:45:56] Gone and there's no Mr. Strikes.

[4:45:59] There's no easy water there.

[4:46:01] And then and then the electrical outlets.

[4:46:05] They need better amperage and more of them accessible.

[4:46:08] For their showing.

[4:46:09] Which will also facilitate.

[4:46:11] Using it during an evacuation too.

[4:46:14] So that that's been discussed and I don't know what that cost. Hell, I'll put the sprinklers up.

[4:46:19] Who? Who is doing the design?

[4:46:24] I am so we had an engineer on there.

[4:46:28] As we were coordinating with the engineers we were having.

[4:46:32] Conceptual. It was mainly conceptual.

[4:46:34] And their next planned phase is this is a very tight timeline. They were wanting to take another planning phase.

[4:46:41] That was going to take this part of the project significantly over budget.

[4:46:45] And it was going to take it for another 18 weeks, so.

[4:46:48] We took a more.

[4:46:49] Direct approach on this that was more towards construction and layout.

[4:46:53] I you know, I put this together.

[4:46:57] With consulting of our folks and.

[4:46:59] Making sure that it fits.

[4:47:00] Well, with the construction.

[4:47:03] Is electrical just like UL listed or how have you bypassed?

[4:47:08] We won't bypass the engineering on the specific items, ma'am. So like when it comes to the electrical, we will find us an

[4:47:13] electrical engineer or the contractor will be responsible for providing just like the shades.

[4:47:18] Those are going to be pre engineered.

[4:47:20] Metal structures.

[4:47:22] That we will.

[4:47:24] Bring the structural engineer in to provide us the concrete footings.

[4:47:27] And stamp those as the structural piece for those pre engineered that will be designed and stamped for the metal structures.

[4:47:33] The same thing for the bleachers.

[4:47:35] The bleachers are all.

[4:47:37] The component fabricated.

[4:47:40] Aluminum structures that they come in and they're all rated ADA compliant, structurally rated for their weight class.

[4:47:46] The electrical will be the same thing. We will bring those in. We've already started the electrical with the transformer.

[4:47:52] And talk to Otero Electric.

[4:47:54] So we will.

[4:47:56] With the vendor who we bring in to do the lights, we'll get the electrical.

[4:48:00] Engineering required to make sure that that stamped and installed correctly.

[4:48:05] So you do have an engineer? We have several engineers, so it's not one.

[4:48:09] Like a general contractor, we don't have one overall. Putting multiples together, we're going to them individually to acquire the

[4:48:12] components that we're looking for.

[4:48:17] So basically you're saying that?

[4:48:20] The seating manufacturer is actually.

[4:48:24] Already have it.

[4:48:25] Engineered into the.

[4:48:27] Into the.

[4:48:28] Plan that's already.

[4:48:30] Or the seating that's already available.

[4:48:32] Further area.

[4:48:34] Yes, yes.

[4:48:36] And I, and I apologize, I lost my PDF, it locked down, but I do have a set of preliminary plans for that, but I lost it.

[4:48:46] I'm just worried about the actual foundation.

[4:48:50] For the the buildings or the the shades or the stands and the shades just to make sure that they're.

[4:48:56] All foundations are going to be stamped by structural engineer.

[4:49:05] On their bond.

[4:49:06] Yes, ma'am.

[4:49:07] What's on their stamp?

[4:49:12] You have more discussion.

[4:49:15] I'm excited. I think this is cool.

[4:49:18] Direction then.

[4:49:21] As they move forward, proceed with alacrity.

[4:49:24] Is that get done by that?

[4:49:27] Deadline. Yeah, get done by your deadline.

[4:49:32] We'll, we will.

[4:49:35] Thank you. Thank you.

[4:49:37] Thank you, Sir, Thank you. I'm sorry it took so long, but.

[4:49:40] We have county business to do. You know, I learned a lot today. Yeah, it was a good or bad.

[4:49:46] Some both.

[4:49:50] Hey, by the way, you're back next meeting for your update.

[4:49:52] OK, we'll be here. See ya. All right.

[4:49:58] Thank you. So next is.

[4:50:03] Discussion and direction regarding potential revisions to Lincoln County Animal Control ordinance #20008-08.

[4:50:15] Good afternoon, Ross Coleman, Director of Strategic Planning and Resilience.

[4:50:19] The current.

[4:50:20] Lincoln County Animal Control ordinance.

[4:50:23] Provides for empowerment of animals found at large confinement of biting dogs and female dogs and cats in heat.

[4:50:30] Requires anti rabies vaccinations setting fees.

[4:50:34] Prohibits cruelty and neglect. Abandonment.

[4:50:36] Animal nuisances and provides for various penalties.

[4:50:40] We've been going through the.

[4:50:42] Ordinance First of all, this was.

[4:50:45] Written in 2008.

[4:50:47] And so we've been going through it and seeing certain things that we would like to.

[4:50:52] Have the ability to revise if possible.

[4:50:57] As an example, we'd like to review the empowerment.

[4:51:00] Requirements. Uh.

[4:51:01] And make sure that these are still in line with current practices and what we're doing.

[4:51:06] Also the finding of unattended animals and removing them.

[4:51:12] And then the there is a pet sterilization act that was written back in 1978. We don't know if that's even still current.

[4:51:19] So we'd like to make sure that those are updated.

[4:51:21] And in line with some of the things that were talked about earlier, this document doesn't recognize microchipping.

[4:51:29] So we would like the opportunity to go through this document, make sure that all the definitions are current.

[4:51:36] Add microchipping if you think that that's allowable.

[4:51:40] And just make sure that we have an updated document that's reflective of the things we want to do.

[4:51:49] Page 4 You refer to the Sheriff's.

[4:51:51] Office of Sheriff's Department.

[4:51:53] Yes, Sir.

[4:51:55] Exit. Thank you.

[4:52:01] You know, you know, we've talked about this before and we're here today and we're going to do the best we can, but.

[4:52:10] I'd love to see.

[4:52:12] Love to see what your suggested changes are.

[4:52:15] OK. And we don't see that?

[4:52:18] So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, this is.

[4:52:21] We don't have any.

[4:52:22] Changes yet? This is a discussion direction item on if it be the direction of the Commission to open the ordinance and make

[4:52:25] revisions.

[4:52:30] We had a discussion today regarding the Humane Society. This is our current ordinance. It is not currently open. It is the

[4:52:34] direction of the Commission and we'd like to see revisions.

[4:52:38] Didn't even bring it back to you at your next meeting to open the ordinance and begin the revision process. I'd like to see

[4:52:42] suggested revisions.

[4:52:45] Wouldn't we?

[4:52:49] If any.

[4:52:50] So we can talk about it.

[4:52:52] I think I'd like for them to weigh in.

[4:52:56] For the sheriff.

[4:52:58] Yes, undershirt to weigh in.

[4:53:02] OK. Do you have any comments, Sarah?

[4:53:06] At this time.

[4:53:07] No, not that, but it would be nice that you referred to and your deputies referred to multiple times.

[4:53:13] To.

[4:53:15] Be made aware of any suggested changes. Absolutely fine and would.

[4:53:19] Most likely have some input in Yes Sir.

[4:53:21] Yes, Sir. Thank you for that.

[4:53:24] So, uh.

[4:53:25] I'd like to consider too the the new nuisance that we do have.

[4:53:30] In the county of horses.

[4:53:32] Yes, I think that needs to be addressed also.

[4:53:35] Yes.

[4:53:38] Horses, Horses.

[4:53:41] I feel like it changes though I would.

[4:53:43] Caution you all.

[4:53:49] Prioritize not creating any unfunded mandates.

[4:53:52] But that's a really big concern of mine.

[4:53:59] I like to castrate all the feral stallions.

[4:54:06] I've got a Pharaoh Yelding right now.

[4:54:09] Thank God he's getting.

[4:54:13] And that would that would take care of that problem going forward.

[4:54:17] A little herd that's around my house. There's three little ones about that, Yeah. And they're, they're being abused and they're

[4:54:21] not being taken care of and they're not going to be.

[4:54:25] And so so if you.

[4:54:28] Yeldies Stallion.

[4:54:32] Then the herds will will be.

[4:54:35] Lowered and reduced. We won't be killing them on a Rd.

[4:54:40] ETC.

[4:54:42] That's.

[4:54:46] OK. Well, with your permission, I'd like to move forward with that and then visit with the Sheriff's Office and.

[4:54:51] Maybe come back to you, probably more likely November.

[4:54:55] That'd be acceptable.

[4:54:57] Is that the sense of the Commission?

[4:55:00] Yes, Sir.

[4:55:03] Do so. Make it so.

[4:55:06] Thank you, Sir.

[4:55:08] If you masturbate the stallions.

[4:55:18] Works every time.

[4:55:22] Next is discussion direction regarding Lincoln County law enforcement.

[4:55:26] Shooting range project at proposed locations.

[4:55:32] Come on.

[4:55:38] So, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners.

[4:55:42] We have a discussion direction item here. There's been a.

[4:55:46] Idea proposed on an additional shooting range.

[4:55:50] That would be in a location that's.

[4:55:53] Adjacent to our current.

[4:55:55] Indoor shooting range and training center project.

[4:56:03] I think we'll have some.

[4:56:06] Hello, design issues to.

[4:56:10] Overcome, but it's nothing that's not undoable, and it would be a very convenient location being that it is next door to a.

[4:56:16] Training Center.

[4:56:17] An indoor range that we could utilize both of them.

[4:56:22] On the same location and it further expands our Sierra Blanca training center.

[4:56:27] So with that I'll.

[4:56:28] You guys.

[4:56:30] So you want to bring up.

[4:56:32] Oh yeah, you'll give me a deal.

[4:56:35] Chairman, Commissioners, you took that.

[4:56:38] Used our drone to take up the photograph for the proposed location so you can get an idea.

[4:56:43] With pin drop structures in the area.

[4:56:48] This is actually a proposal brought to me personally by.

[4:56:52] A couple of the commissioners and said, hey, look at this.

[4:56:55] And I think it's a great idea and it puts it right next to the new facility that you could fund for.

[4:57:00] Indoor range and I think it's fantastic that way we're not split up.

[4:57:05] So I I like the idea.

[4:57:09] You're going to see Copper Ridge. That's the fire station there, 48.

[4:57:13] To the subdivision across their.

[4:57:15] Blank spot you see across from Copper Ridge Fire Station is.

[4:57:19] What is it 11 acres?

[4:57:21] Refresh my memory club living in some change, almost 1211 and some change. So that's the proposed site of where you're going to

[4:57:24] put in the indoor facility.

[4:57:30] And so.

[4:57:31] Someone who knows a little bit more about dirt work and digging and all that kind of stuff.

[4:57:36] Mr. Chavez has looked it over and proposed that we.

[4:57:40] Put in the 100 yard.

[4:57:41] 100 plus yard long range.

[4:57:44] Shooting facility on the same.

[4:57:46] Patch of land there.

[4:57:48] I think that's fantastic you.

[4:57:50] You're going to have power already for the new facility. We can get power next to it because there's some requirements that we

[4:57:52] need and.

[4:57:56] On a long range shooting range for nighttime qualifications etc. So.

[4:58:03] Again, it's going to take someone smarter than I to look at the geographics and the dirt and all that kind of stuff figure out.

[4:58:10] Where exactly it's going to go, But I mean, there you, you have some natural backstops which we would never rely on.

[4:58:17] We would always want to accentuate those backstops.

[4:58:21] And enhance those back stops just so that we make sure there isn't anything because we.

[4:58:26] We.

[4:58:29] In fact, some pretty heavy duty stuff out there.

[4:58:35] You want to you want to go up there.

[4:58:38] To point out what we're talking about, Absolutely.

[4:58:41] Go ahead now, okay.

[4:58:44] I think I have an idea this.

[4:58:46] So what we're looking at is.

[4:58:49] So this is where the facility is going to go, the indoor facility, the indoor facility.

[4:58:54] So what we're looking at is this stretch of land right here.

[4:58:57] And what we measured out was 140.

[4:59:01] I think it was 13130.

[4:59:04] From right about here.

[4:59:06] All the way to right here.

[4:59:11] There you go. There we go. Yeah, there we go.

[4:59:14] Is what we're looking at.

[4:59:16] So there is a ravine.

[4:59:19] However, like the sheriff was talking about.

[4:59:22] Somebody that has the engineering.

[4:59:24] Abilities to.

[4:59:26] To put the dirt work in.

[4:59:27] They're going to have to take a look at that.

[4:59:29] But that's where.

[4:59:31] I think it's going to be a great location. It's going to be next to the.

[4:59:34] Indoor range in the training facility that.

[4:59:37] We're looking forward to having.

[4:59:40] And it's going to be utilized by a lot of them.

[4:59:42] Not only the public, you're indoor, but.

[4:59:45] Other counties that come here really host the sheriff's conference every single year, and there's always training and

[4:59:48] qualifications.

[4:59:51] There's been times and they've actually had a pistol competition issue. So is it?

[4:59:56] It isn't as though it won't be used.

[4:59:58] I mean greatly. And it's very necessary again.

[5:00:01] We are currently using a.

[5:00:03] Landfill.

[5:00:06] And so the proposal in the county property we had up by the fairgrounds was.

[5:00:10] You know going to work, but this is even better. I think this is puts.

[5:00:14] Puts it all in one package right there, and I don't think there will be quite near the disruption to.

[5:00:20] Public key, you know, disrupting the peace.

[5:00:24] A lot of our guys like to go out and.

[5:00:27] On their own, which is great news, with their own ammunition at all hours of the night, I don't think this is going to be a big

[5:00:29] foe.

[5:00:32] Some of us prefer to do our night qualifications at 4:00 in the morning, so.

[5:00:36] I think this is a better spot. I think it's a great location.

[5:00:40] And that this was just going to it will require minimal. Well, I say that again, I'm not the expert on it, but.

[5:00:46] If the Honeycutt and his crew can do the job on this, they did it the.

[5:00:50] They did have the fairgrounds. We'll be in high cotton man.

[5:00:53] So that that would be our suggestion, our proposal, if it's the Commission's desire to.

[5:00:59] Figure out a way that we can.

[5:01:01] Marry those two.

[5:01:03] Ranges together in the same spot.

[5:01:09] So I went over there and I looked at it. I I actually the one that suggested it.

[5:01:13] Yes.

[5:01:15] Alex.

[5:01:16] Asked me to go see the the shooting range over there at the.

[5:01:19] At the fairgrounds.

[5:01:21] I wasn't.

[5:01:22] I wasn't impressed with that.

[5:01:23] That area right there, I felt that it was too open a tough spot.

[5:01:27] You know, and so I, I made the suggestion over here, I invited.

[5:01:32] Commissioner Serna.

[5:01:34] Alex and myself to go over there to look at it.

[5:01:38] I I think it's.

[5:01:40] I personally.

[5:01:41] I'm not an expert.

[5:01:42] So I don't know.

[5:01:43] And I would like to get the.

[5:01:45] The input of the people who live around it, Also how they feel about it.

[5:01:50] I also invited.

[5:01:52] Commissioner Prather.

[5:01:54] And he had some concerns.

[5:01:56] Would you care to?

[5:01:58] Delivery, yeah. So we.

[5:02:00] I'm just going to be honest, we've been talking about.

[5:02:02] This for 3 1/2 four years at this point because we've known that the EPA was going to come in and they were going to kick us off

[5:02:06] the use of.

[5:02:11] The current Lincoln County gun or Lincoln County range there that we've been using in the past.

[5:02:18] It's always been a problem.

[5:02:20] With the residents surrounding those areas.

[5:02:24] But this particular residence that we're talking about right here is right adjacent to the Copper Ridge.

[5:02:33] Subdivision.

[5:02:35] I was under the impression that they had.

[5:02:37] Talk to us in the purchase of that property to make sure that those things were not going to be utilized for those particular

[5:02:41] things I think they're worried about.

[5:02:45] Number one, noise ordinances and all those, all those different subject matters, but.

[5:02:51] In my opinion.

[5:02:54] I mean, I'll just be honest, I don't like it.

[5:02:56] I think it's shooting toward another person's property.

[5:02:59] I think that the lead mitigation problem is going to be a huge ordeal. I think that there's going to be a lot of things that we're

[5:03:05] running into if we do decide to go ahead and put that range out there. I'm only one of five.

[5:03:11] But I would propose that we continue to look for a more strategic.

[5:03:16] Safer place to put that range when we're talking about right and left lateral limits. I mean, it wouldn't even be out of the right

[5:03:20] lateral limit.

[5:03:24] The way it's proposed, or at least the way that I've.

[5:03:27] Imagined it.

[5:03:29] The road.

[5:03:30] Hwy. 48 would be literally right in the middle of the right lateral limit for that particular range.

[5:03:37] So yeah, I mean.

[5:03:38] In my professional opinion, personal opinion.

[5:03:42] It doesn't work for me.

[5:03:44] And I did go out there yesterday and I think I did kind of voice that my my concerns are more about the range.

[5:03:50] The distance.

[5:03:51] These individuals are potentially going to be shooting.

[5:03:55] I would like to see a piece of property that has quite a bit more range.

[5:03:59] There's also the other.

[5:04:01] Organizations that are still here.

[5:04:03] I mean, I have no problem with spending.

[5:04:07] A taxpayer money on getting a range that's going to be.

[5:04:10] Used in perpetuity for the rest of Lincoln County history, but there's there's been quite a few different ranges proposed over the

[5:04:17] course of the last few years. The there are two also private ranges that can also be utilized for sniper qualifications for

[5:04:23] service rifle competitions for for those other types of deals, there's the Lincoln County Gun Club, which is housed up in Rita so

[5:04:30] Downs, which will allow for 600 yards. There's the Capitan High Power Club that would allow for 1000 yards.

[5:04:38] I understand that being right there next to that facility.

[5:04:41] Would be awesome.

[5:04:43] But I feel like there should be another way, another solution.

[5:04:47] To how we can get that increased range that's necessary for the officers to be able to shoot and.

[5:04:53] Not potentially in danger.

[5:04:56] The public, and I don't want to say that that would endanger public, but I mean that road will be literal.

[5:05:01] Right, the right lateral limits of of firing. So I mean my personal perspective is keep searching.

[5:05:08] But I mean if the if the board wants to move forward with this.

[5:05:12] And I get.

[5:05:15] Outvoted then.

[5:05:16] So be it. We'll we'll move forward and try to make it the best possible.

[5:05:21] Chair Fischer, Commissioner Prater, I completely understand and.

[5:05:25] Absolutely. I understand your concerns about that. It would be, it would be the Commission's responsibility to fund.

[5:05:32] The design.

[5:05:34] And, umm.

[5:05:35] Infrastructure on this to.

[5:05:38] Largely prohibit.

[5:05:40] There being any problems with?

[5:05:42] The highway it would be.

[5:05:44] And so I'm not opposed to looking.

[5:05:47] Other places, I just think putting them together, you're fixing to put an indoor shooting range right there.

[5:05:52] And you're going to have the traffic. There's an awful lot of things that are already in place based on the fact that you're going

[5:05:56] to use this property for an indoor.

[5:06:01] Shooting range is open to the public.

[5:06:03] You know, those who don't make their living by the guns the way we do.

[5:06:07] That are not so much maybe familiar with the proper handling and.

[5:06:11] These kind of things. So I think you're already in a little bit of a pickle with the position you're in. But again.

[5:06:16] I just need to place where I can qualify my deputies to meet the statutory requirements.

[5:06:20] Get my snipers dialed in.

[5:06:23] That's all I need.

[5:06:23] Right now I'm using a.

[5:06:25] Junkyard, I'm using a landfill. Can I propose just one solution for at least for the for the interim and the time being?

[5:06:32] I know, I mean, I'm a member of the the board for the Lincoln County Gun Club and I know that I can discuss that with them. The

[5:06:36] use.

[5:06:40] Of the Lincoln County Gun Club in the interim until we already.

[5:06:44] We just never thought that was even a possibility.

[5:06:46] Thank goodness for the Undersheriff when the commitment the conference happened this year.

[5:06:50] He was able to secure the long range out there Capitan the long.

[5:06:55] Distance range for, for because we, we got sheriff's from and under sheriff's and deputies from all over the state and quite

[5:06:58] frankly.

[5:07:02] The last thing I wanted to do in terms of representing this county was take them to a landfill.

[5:07:07] So thank goodness for that, but I'm not opposed to.

[5:07:10] Being on the lookout for me.

[5:07:11] I just need something.

[5:07:12] I mean for years when I was here 1112 years ago on patrol.

[5:07:16] We were qualifying and for Stanton.

[5:07:18] Up against the hill, I mean it.

[5:07:20] We need a firing range.

[5:07:22] So we need to find and that's not my, that's not my intent by my comments is to say that, hey, we don't need a fire. I understand.

[5:07:26] I understand and know that we need a firing range. I understand if I could find one in the middle of nowhere that was again

[5:07:30] accessible to the public.

[5:07:35] We kind of thought Captain was an opportunity for some economic development. I mean, we had sheriff's and under sheriff's and.

[5:07:41] I must have been 100 plus people here and would would have gone and gotten gas and eating at the restaurants and.

[5:07:47] You know, give Capitan a little bit of boost, but.

[5:07:49] Some reason another that one can waste, I told.

[5:07:52] I am absolutely not opposed.

[5:07:54] And listening to your concerns, they're valid concerns. I get it and I understand, I mean.

[5:07:58] My gosh, look at your history. You know what you're talking about. And so I'm grateful for that.

[5:08:02] So in saying that, I I think that there is.

[5:08:06] Options, I think that's still, I really think that's a good place.

[5:08:10] I think that there's.

[5:08:11] There's ranges that are built.

[5:08:14] That we don't have to reinvent the wheel that are in.

[5:08:17] Public areas that could probably.

[5:08:20] If we do certain measures to that area that we can actually facilitate that.

[5:08:25] I'd like to see a national force backed property.

[5:08:28] So that we know that any bullets that are potentially going to impact are going to impact in a potentially.

[5:08:35] Public area.

[5:08:37] Well, we'd be glad to research some of those areas and get with our Forest Service partners and find out what county property is

[5:08:40] available in those venues.

[5:08:45] But exploring this here, I think you need to you need to rule this out before we you know.

[5:08:50] I think, well, like I said, I'm sure there's other options and there's places.

[5:08:54] That are that are in.

[5:08:57] Cities that they're seeing ranges.

[5:08:59] That are made I mean, we don't have to reinvent the wheel, that's first we can actually.

[5:09:04] See if that is an viable option.

[5:09:08] How many yards away is the nearest structure that's not county owned?

[5:09:13] The nearest structure is 333 yards away from.

[5:09:16] That's not county owned and it's.

[5:09:21] The South southwest of the.

[5:09:23] Sterling itself was the hardware.

[5:09:25] Across the highway.

[5:09:27] This one, yeah, that would be the nearest is across the highway and up on the hill. Yeah, if you.

[5:09:33] No, Yeah, so.

[5:09:34] So if I may.

[5:09:36] I.

[5:09:39] If you look at that.

[5:09:40] That one spot that you're.

[5:09:42] You pointed out.

[5:09:44] It really is in a.

[5:09:46] And it's in a draw. It's in a draw, Arroyo like.

[5:09:49] Area.

[5:09:51] And if you change the elevation of that a little bit, you brought it down.

[5:09:57] And then you put.

[5:09:59] Tim, I'm thinking about.

[5:10:01] Like we did out there and.

[5:10:03] In Mystic you know with.

[5:10:05] Basically a funnel.

[5:10:07] You know, for.

[5:10:08] Those so so if you.

[5:10:10] You can imagine.

[5:10:12] I don't know how to explain this. I would like the words but.

[5:10:15] But you can you can imagine if you have something like this.

[5:10:18] And you're shooting.

[5:10:20] Here.

[5:10:21] If and their targets are there.

[5:10:25] If you.

[5:10:26] Elevate your.

[5:10:27] Your weapon out of.

[5:10:29] Out of where it should be?

[5:10:30] Before you go, you deflect it left or right.

[5:10:33] You're going to hit that baffle and then you're going to have a spent shell. It depends on how you build that.

[5:10:39] But essentially you are tunneled.

[5:10:42] Straight down to where that target and that backstop is.

[5:10:46] As long as you're in the firing position.

[5:10:48] That's approved, you can't have a problem.

[5:10:51] It just doesn't exist.

[5:10:53] And so.

[5:10:55] One could imagine.

[5:10:57] That that you could do that.

[5:10:59] For that hundred, we said one 100.

[5:11:01] 30 yards.

[5:11:03] And simply just not have a problem.

[5:11:07] And we shot towards Roswell.

[5:11:09] Every day with 50 calibers.

[5:11:13] Barrett.

[5:11:14] And that was made a little excessive.

[5:11:17] But we did that successfully.

[5:11:20] With three oh eights and down below that.

[5:11:23] You would have no problem.

[5:11:25] In in making that happen.

[5:11:28] But if it's going to require a little groundwork.

[5:11:32] Not excessive. You're going to have to cut down some trees.

[5:11:36] You're not going to lose the forest, it needs to be thinned out over there anyway.

[5:11:41] And I think the ability.

[5:11:43] To jump from pistol Qualls inside.

[5:11:47] That new facility we're putting in there with the.

[5:11:52] You know, with the programs and all of that.

[5:11:55] And then to be able to jump to your long gun.

[5:11:57] Right there and.

[5:11:59] To have the classroom.

[5:12:01] Right available.

[5:12:04] Is is pretty fantastic.

[5:12:07] Now it's easy enough to put.

[5:12:09] To not allow public at that long range, that might be something you don't do.

[5:12:14] Yes, we required and want to have the public that have periodic access.

[5:12:20] Controlled access.

[5:12:21] To the indoor range because that's for that.

[5:12:24] But you put those together, I think you you end up having a really good neat solution that doesn't require.

[5:12:31] A bunch of running around and so forth.

[5:12:34] And being inside that.

[5:12:36] That draw.

[5:12:38] Noise abatement.

[5:12:39] Becomes much less of a problem.

[5:12:41] In terms of being able to hear.

[5:12:43] The cracks on the.

[5:12:44] You know, going up and down the road.

[5:12:46] Or on the 368.

[5:12:49] Yards away.

[5:12:52] I I don't see it as a problem.

[5:12:54] Well, Jared Fisher, Commission I.

[5:12:57] Would modify if.

[5:12:59] And we had planned on doing this. If we did, the facility was going to go in and Capitan is modify and stay within the ordinances

[5:13:02] on the.

[5:13:06] Not being disturbing. People do the 3:00 tomorrow, the guys want to go out and fire their own weapons and they can go places they

[5:13:09] go.

[5:13:13] And go to the Hicks, you know I can go somewhere.

[5:13:16] We would be up. We would modify That didn't even provide potential warning or notification publicly. Hey.

[5:13:22] Sheriff's Office is going to be out here on so and so date.

[5:13:24] For a three day run qualifying his or her deputy sheriff's and this is how it's going to be.

[5:13:28] Most of all, I think now or.

[5:13:31] Dang near all of my long guns are suppressed.

[5:13:35] That's just the way to go.

[5:13:36] We're using suppressors.

[5:13:39] I mean, it's just.

[5:13:41] That's what we're doing. So I think we can mitigate the noise complaint, the safety issue as you alluded to, and I agree.

[5:13:47] Mr. Chairman.

[5:13:50] Commissioner Fisher right there. You know what?

[5:13:53] And I and it needs to be brought up.

[5:13:55] I think it can be handled to.

[5:14:02] Another quick question. Yes, Sir.

[5:14:04] And so this is just going to be at the base level for my understanding as we have these conversations going forward.

[5:14:10] Aside from the proximity to the pistol range.

[5:14:13] Why do we need our room?

[5:14:15] I mean, I've heard, I've heard a couple times say we need our own. And so I'm just looking For these reasons for the foundation of

[5:14:20] our further conversations. Well, to lay the foundation from the beginning as we were.

[5:14:25] Obviously statutory required.

[5:14:27] A certain number of qualifications annually.

[5:14:31] With their long gun, sidewarm sidearms, that kind of thing. So it's an it's a necessity necessary that we have.

[5:14:37] A place to go.

[5:14:38] That accommodates that with length, width.

[5:14:41] At any given time, we may have 5 or 6 deputy sheriff's on the firing line.

[5:14:46] So that being number one and not necessarily by ranking it by a.

[5:14:52] Importance but.

[5:14:54] The more these guys and gals fire their weapons and shoot, the better. We just need a place to do that.

[5:14:59] Safely, and we need a place to do that where we can.

[5:15:03] Host if.

[5:15:04] There's counties in this state that do not.

[5:15:06] Host the sheriff's conference, the police chief conference here. We do every single year. You've got lots and lots of people and

[5:15:11] we want to represent and give them a nice, safe place to go.

[5:15:17] And do their business again and obtain their necessary qualifications further.

[5:15:22] Certification so.

[5:15:24] So if we do build this, you're saying there's a potential economic development? Yeah, absolutely.

[5:15:29] Economic and.

[5:15:32] Yeah, and again, it has been that way for years because the sheriff's conference always chooses Ruidoso.

[5:15:38] Even in the midst of the fires and the floods, here they came.

[5:15:41] It's still paradise and here they came. God love them so.

[5:15:45] So sort of further my question is why these other two shootings that are already?

[5:15:49] In place one other private.

[5:15:51] Those well and so.

[5:15:52] It's been suggested that there's going to be some opening for.

[5:15:56] Willingness to.

[5:15:58] Cooperate.

[5:15:59] And so if that willingness exists, then it sounds like these ranges could potentially fit.

[5:16:05] Your scope? Well, again their private facilities.

[5:16:08] Membership only.

[5:16:10] There's a liability issue there that a Commission would have to concern themselves with, but.

[5:16:15] Again, we don't know. It just happens that when the undersheriff was able to secure this one, they weren't using it.

[5:16:20] We need a dedicated range of our.

[5:16:23] We don't need to be traveling.

[5:16:24] We don't need to be traveling from Copper Ridge from an indoor handgun range.

[5:16:29] Out to the Downs or even Capitan in the very same day when we can have it all in one pack.

[5:16:35] Under a Sheriff Trujillo had mentioned they have a Conex box full of.

[5:16:39] Equipment and so I think that would be.

[5:16:42] One of the reasons it needs to be Co located. We have two contacts boxes actually they hold all of our firearm stands.

[5:16:48] Or backstops, I mean auto backstops with our silhouettes targets.

[5:16:52] Ammunition. We have two Con Xboxes that stay out at the landfill right now.

[5:16:56] Because we use so much of that material.

[5:17:00] And again, those private facilities, we wouldn't be able to do that. We'd be calling it.

[5:17:05] And how? How often do you qualify? What is it now we're doing twice a year, minimum, day and night?

[5:17:11] Every single one in here, every pistol factor in my office has to go out twice a day.

[5:17:15] And is everybody you know?

[5:17:16] Qualified on long range.

[5:17:18] Yes.

[5:17:22] Plus we have we have sniper capability.

[5:17:25] And so.

[5:17:28] We need a place to go.

[5:17:30] And what are the requirements to qualify for? We had to get with the snipers on those and figure it out because at the moment it's

[5:17:35] still in its infancy, but they're still warming up to their weapons.

[5:17:41] We're building policies and making sure that.

[5:17:44] And make no mistake about it, if a sniper.

[5:17:47] Deputy, our weapon is.

[5:17:49] Necessary tomorrow, we're going to, we're going to do what we need to do to protect this county.

[5:17:53] But in terms of some specific qualification numbers, I'm not sure they have a number on them.

[5:17:58] I second, I mean I can.

[5:18:01] I can definitely chime in on that the the snipers that are certified snipers with burritos OPD.

[5:18:06] Do their qualification at the Reno start the Lincoln County Gun Club range in Ruidoso Downs. So does Ruidoso the Downs Police

[5:18:10] Department.

[5:18:15] They use it and they just give us.

[5:18:17] Prior notice beforehand in order to be able to come and use Lincoln County.

[5:18:23] So what yardage?

[5:18:25] So the only qualification that I know of specifically with snipers is 100 yards.

[5:18:30] But that's mainly because the capability, obviously we need to practice at further ranges in order to be able to do those

[5:18:35] qualified 6.

[5:18:39] If I made chairman, Commissioners.

[5:18:43] I'm actually taking out our snipers out to White Sands.

[5:18:48] To Stallion range, October 8th.

[5:18:51] So we can stretch those weapons out.

[5:18:53] They have a designated sniper area. I've been on it several times. It's.

[5:18:57] Great, uh.

[5:18:58] Facility, but I want them to have that experience and it's out to 1100 meters.

[5:19:03] Is one of the targets.

[5:19:05] Sort of that point, I mean, we could put resources in county lands.

[5:19:10] Invested into this and it could still be insufficient for what you really need? Well, no.

[5:19:15] Say the sniper the same as the the indoor shooting ranges.

[5:19:25] You build, it will come.

[5:19:27] Trust me, we could build it.

[5:19:30] Dozen different ones and step it up every time.

[5:19:32] My point is that, you know, there could be.

[5:19:34] Potentially more.

[5:19:35] That you need than just this.

[5:19:38] The next question is what would the public be available to utilize?

[5:19:42] The long range port.

[5:19:43] If we got the short range there in the long range also that would, that would be a question for you, the Commission, I mean, if

[5:19:49] you're going to put our long range right next door to the indoor shooting pistol short range.

[5:19:55] Then that would be, you know, a question for.

[5:19:57] The county.

[5:19:59] I would prefer that our dedicated long range.

[5:20:03] With the concerns Commissioner Fraithers brought up, do we want everybody bringing out their squirrel guns?

[5:20:08] You know on county property right there.

[5:20:11] I don't know.

[5:20:12] Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, I can tell you now that even with the indoor one, as it'll be made available to the public, it will

[5:20:17] not be open to the public. It will be in a controlled environment with folks there that are managing it to have a range master

[5:20:21] there.

[5:20:27] Utilize it.

[5:20:30] So you all work with the detention center correction officers to qualify them as well? We do.

[5:20:35] This county owns their firearm.

[5:20:38] There Bob purchased under mine under the sheriff's name.

[5:20:41] They're in my inventory and we qualify. There's there are seals.

[5:20:46] With our weapons.

[5:20:53] Well.

[5:20:53] So, umm.

[5:20:54] We've we've heard this.

[5:20:56] We've heard a couple of options.

[5:20:58] Is there any consensus in terms of direction? Because that's what's being asked.

[5:21:05] Discussion and direction.

[5:21:09] You.

[5:21:13] Here's what I suggest.

[5:21:16] What do we have a timeline? Before I make my suggestion, what's our timeline?

[5:21:22] Ross on the installation of this.

[5:21:24] Indoor range.

[5:21:25] Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, your current.

[5:21:28] Timeline on that one is there intending to have.

[5:21:31] The uh.

[5:21:32] The boxes delivered.

[5:21:34] By mid to late October, early November.

[5:21:37] So we are in the process now of.

[5:21:40] Getting civil contractors to ensure we have the foundations and the concrete done so that when they come, they're lifted off the

[5:21:44] truck and ended up.

[5:21:47] Place umm.

[5:21:50] On that site we also have to have the infrastructure ready for them to be hooked up.

[5:21:54] So we're, we're kind of in a dash, but we're.

[5:21:57] Opened by the end of the year, we have a.

[5:21:59] So maybe not a complete one, but.

[5:22:01] Something substantial.

[5:22:02] The calendar year.

[5:22:04] The calendar. Yes ma'am. Sorry. Yes ma'am. Calendar.

[5:22:07] So, OK, so that's that's one.

[5:22:10] That's one.

[5:22:11] Touchpoint.

[5:22:13] It seems to me that.

[5:22:15] Before we.

[5:22:16] We make a recommendation.

[5:22:20] That's some surveying.

[5:22:23] I mean real surveying.

[5:22:24] Might be important.

[5:22:25] Terms of.

[5:22:26] You know, get in transit up there, looking at depths and heights and so on. See how feasible.

[5:22:31] Feasible it is before direction is given.

[5:22:35] With respect to this thing and and what other?

[5:22:38] Is there any other kind of abatement? Bullet traps? What? What is the real? What is the real cost on this?

[5:22:45] Might, might look like and, and let's do that.

[5:22:48] Because you're going to have we talked about.

[5:22:50] That abatement, that's important.

[5:22:52] It's critical because with the EPA and so forth.

[5:22:56] So you have to have the proper bullet traps, no question about it.

[5:22:59] The heights going from.

[5:23:01] The shooting position to the target area.

[5:23:04] Need to be.

[5:23:06] Understood. Comprehended.

[5:23:07] How much excavations required?

[5:23:10] And in that estimate excavation I'd like.

[5:23:14] Mr. Prather to be part of.

[5:23:16] Looking at uh.

[5:23:17] What we talked about being in that.

[5:23:20] Pulling up a tunnel.

[5:23:22] And see if that's feasible if that can.

[5:23:24] Meet some of your concerns.

[5:23:26] Or maybe all of them.

[5:23:27] Yeah. And and with that, that'll give us an idea whether we can.

[5:23:33] Logically.

[5:23:34] Move in that direction or do we have to go somewhere else?

[5:23:38] Is that is that reasonable for the Commission?

[5:23:42] In terms of direction.

[5:23:44] And then there's also this other dirty little thing that says, we probably need a public hearing or some sort of notice that says.

[5:23:52] We've got to make sure that the folks.

[5:23:54] Are comfortable with that design.

[5:23:56] That we could present them with.

[5:24:00] I don't see your head going up and down, you saying.

[5:24:02] There's an an ordinance that would require that.

[5:24:05] Because there is not zoning in the county we could consider.

[5:24:09] Not doing it or doing it.

[5:24:11] But yeah, that's what I'm thinking of.

[5:24:15] But I think.

[5:24:16] I think we don't. We haven't really comprehended.

[5:24:19] The the problems and the solutions.

[5:24:23] Associate, we're going to have problems wherever we go.

[5:24:25] And we're going to have to have solutions wherever we go.

[5:24:28] Unfortunately, the county does not own.

[5:24:31] Large expanses of land.

[5:24:33] Where we can do this?

[5:24:35] But we do have.

[5:24:37] Some options here and I think we could we could be a little more educated in our.

[5:24:43] Process than what we are currently. I think it's a good idea I do.

[5:24:47] I've actually been out there before.

[5:24:49] And I've looked at it and in my mind's eye it seems to make sense.

[5:24:53] But I don't know.

[5:24:55] You know this.

[5:24:56] The the issues of.

[5:24:59] The parent rounds is always important regardless of who's shooting.

[5:25:04] I'm in a place where I saw.

[5:25:07] Shoot inside a building and he didn't mean to.

[5:25:10] So it happens.

[5:25:11] And he did. He really didn't mean to.

[5:25:15] So it can happen but.

[5:25:17] So let's do that. So I think the direction is.

[5:25:21] Could we not utilize?

[5:25:23] The work Gary has already done for the grading in the.

[5:25:28] Parcel of land to.

[5:25:30] Madam Commissioner, it only includes that site right there that the building and the Foundation are going to be on now.

[5:25:36] We can ask.

[5:25:37] Pettigrew actually did the civil and the.

[5:25:40] The topography we can ask them to expand on that day, it's at the control points.

[5:25:44] So we can ask them to expand on that.

[5:25:46] Yeah, because right now you're you're shooting, you're shooting down a little bit, right And.

[5:25:50] And we want to be horizontal. We don't want to have the defilator inflate issues at all.

[5:25:55] That's a little more complicated.

[5:25:57] So so.

[5:25:59] But let's do Let's do a little survey work, see what needs.

[5:26:02] Needs to be done.

[5:26:04] See if it's feasible. Get some ideas on what what bullet traps cost which might have to.

[5:26:10] Occur wherever we're at, right? That's a, that's a standard.

[5:26:13] Standard cost unless we opt for the.

[5:26:16] A different solution like you were suggesting.

[5:26:19] The High Power club.

[5:26:22] So is that the direction?

[5:26:26] Let's let's figure out what's required to make this work.

[5:26:30] Decide whether it works or not.

[5:26:32] And then that drives us into another solution set. Are you OK with that?

[5:26:35] Yes, Mr. Chairman.

[5:26:38] OK, OK, OK.

[5:26:41] That's the direction.

[5:26:42] OK, OK.

[5:26:45] Bueno.

[5:26:48] Thank you.

[5:26:52] I have a lot of.

[5:26:55] Understanding about.

[5:26:57] Jones target range. I have my own at home too.

[5:27:07] Let's proceed. What do you say?

[5:27:09] Are you good to proceed? You will need a.

[5:27:11] Bio Break.

[5:27:15] I'm good. 22 minute bio break, let's go.

[5:27:19] We're in recess for two minutes.

[5:27:22] How to reset normal meeting?

[5:27:25] Oh sure, Ready.

[5:27:29] Make the motion that we go into executive session.

[5:27:33] 2nd.

[5:27:34] Ma'am, clerk, roll call, please.

[5:27:38] Commissioner Wilson, Yes.

[5:27:39] Commissioner Chavez, Yes. Commissioner Prather. Commissioner Sarna aye. Chair Fischer, Aye.

[5:27:45] Motion.

[5:27:47] OK, we're now in executive session.

[5:27:50] I attest matters discussed in the closed meeting were limited to those specified and no action was taken.

[5:27:58] Come back in a regular meeting session.

[5:28:02] And I'm looking for a motion to.

[5:28:06] Approve notices to proceed for eligible properties under the Lincoln County EWP Buyout program.

[5:28:13] Following the executive session as presented.

[5:28:18] Mr. Chair, I make the motion is.

[5:28:20] He just recited.

[5:28:23] I second.

[5:28:25] And clerk roll call, please.

[5:28:29] Commissioner Prather.

[5:28:30] Aye, Commissioner Wilson, Yes.

[5:28:33] Commissioner Sarna Aye. Commissioner Chavez? Yes. Chair Fisher.

[5:28:36] Aye.

[5:28:38] The next regular meeting of the Board of County Commissioners, Lincoln County will be Tuesday, October 20th, 2026 at 08/30 at this

[5:28:42] location.

[5:28:47] Are there any further matters to be discussed before we turn?

[5:28:51] Make a motion. We adjourn.

[5:28:53] 2nd Madam Clerk, roll call, please.

[5:28:58] Commissioner Wilson. Yes, Commissioner Chavez. Yes. Commissioner Sarnas.

[5:29:02] Hi, Commissioner Fraylor, Chair Fisher Aye, you are adjourned.

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