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Good evening, everyone. It is September 10th, 2026, and we're here to convene a meeting of the Lincoln select board.
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Let's see, pursuant today's session of the remote meeting authorization of the open meeting on through June 30th, 2027 under chapter 2 of the Acts of 2025.
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This meeting of the select board will be conducted as a hybrid meeting, providing the public the opportunity to participate in person more remotely,
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specific information in the general guidelines for remote participation by members of the public and or parties with the right and or requirement to attend this meeting can be found on the town of Lincoln website at www.lincolntown.org.
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I am Jim Hutchinson, the current chair of the select board.
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I will invite the other member of the president to agree with themselves.
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Just putting out that advice.
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Can't bond or select board?
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Yeah, for the last select board.
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10 Higgins, time to demonstrate them.
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You know, they're administrative assistant.
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Thank you, Peggy.
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Tonight's agenda, we have some announcements, possibly.
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We have some appointments.
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First, with the board of assessors,
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to do our annual their annual tax classification here,
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and it's that's your year and that mark here.
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Yes, and our, certainly, certainly.
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We're going to wait here.
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I'm going to do me in the sense.
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All right.
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The session.
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And seven will have a meeting.
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And appointment with the Green Energy Committee.
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Talk about the Green Energy Choice program and ongoing discussion of that.
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Then we'll switch to our discussion section of the meeting.
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We'll talk about special time meeting and stay on the town meeting planning.
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We'll give an update on the library at HVAC System Assessment.
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We'll have our third reading and potentially vote to approve a social media policy.
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We'll hear a proposal for discovering Lincoln.
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We'll hear a proposal regarding the day colony redevelopment.
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And we'll talk about select connect and some liaison reports.
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Next, we'll cover the town administrators report.
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who will report on landfill solar project update,
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LS regional agreement updates,
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road wave projects updates,
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the select board policy manual progress to date,
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a community center building use policy efforts that have started,
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and then we will have a public participation
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interlude where all invite questions and comments from general public.
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Finally, we'll take care of our action items if they have not been taken care of earlier
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meeting.
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We will vote to set the FY27 property tax rate, potentially vote to modify link and
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green energy choice program, potential vote to approve our social media policy, potential
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vote to support our discovery link in the initiative, a vote to approve the historic preservation
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agreement for 32 tower road, and then we will review prior action items, cover our
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consent list, which includes minutes from August 25th, once from two days ago,
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and vote, we will also
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vote to confirm the meeting scheduled going forward. Finally, if any of the selects would like,
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we will review various items of correspondence we have received in the last
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meeting.
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And that agenda, let's start with announcements.
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Does anyone have an announcement tonight?
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I have just a couple.
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One is a second annual constitution day.
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Community read aloud is next Wednesday, September 16th.
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tomorrow is the deadline to let me or Rob Stranger know if you would like to be one of our readers.
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It was fun event last year. We have a moderator, a different moderator this year,
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but it would be a similar format and hope everyone can join us and come be an audience member.
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Even if you don't want to be a reader, also then we have a second event related to Constitution Day
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on the 22nd, which is Tuesday.
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And that is going to be facilitated
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by the same person who is facilitating the reading.
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And her topic is art and conversation.
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And it's a focus on the preample.
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And sort of getting towards a more perfect you can.
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So that should be a fun event.
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That will be in the art and multi-purpose room at 7 p.m.
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22nd and the Constitution read is on that 7 p.m. on Wednesday, 6th and then I I just also wanted to note that tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of the events of my 11.
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that the impact of that day, so we'll start our world.
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The town of Sudbury is hosting a memorial event tomorrow.
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If there are residents who would like to go join them, I'm sure we can do that.
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So, just thinking of it.
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Thank you, Jennifer.
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I do not have any announcements.
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So let's get on to our first appointment of evening with the board of assessors.
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Tim, did you want to do any intro on this one?
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Yes, we could read the public hearing.
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So, right, does somebody have that handy?
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Let's see.
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See if I can find it quickly.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Got it.
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Let's see.
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Right to read the whole thing.
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Yes, though.
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So, this is the legal notice for a public hearing on the select board for a property tax classification hearing.
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The select board of the town of Lincoln will conduct a public hearing on Monday evening, September 10, 2026 at 630 p.m.
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That's us right now.
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For the purpose of determining for a fiscal year 2027, the percentage of real estate property tax burden that shall be born by the residential and commercial classifications of poverty respectively.
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General inquiries prior to the hearing may directly be directed to the assessor's office,
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Lincoln Town offices at 7.12592611.
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We're so into the extension of the remote meeting authorization of the open meeting law through
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Term 30 of 2027 under Chapter 2 of Acts of 2025.
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This meeting of the select board we conduct as higher meeting, providing the public
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the opportunity to participate in personal role.
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Maybe read this.
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Are you all ready?
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So I think we're good to go.
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I think we open the hearing.
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We need this actually.
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It's going to be a meeting, so we have to, we have to be in a part of a session meeting,
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we have a parallel.
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Yes, let us finish moving that we're, we're meeting.
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Oh please, I better remove it all second.
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Any discussion?
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Let's do a roll call vote.
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Fine, alright, go ahead, sorry.
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I should say hi.
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I know you guys are right.
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I moved the video for the first time.
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Could you introduce yourself?
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I'm not for more than 10 more.
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And this is Bruce Campbell. Thank you. And move away from Board of Social Media. So that's that. It's very simple this year. I don't know if you've spread the memo, but we have the same three questions. We always have to pass four questions. This year is interesting because the basically the tax rate is flat, the assessed values are flat, everything is flat. So nothing is stranger.
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it's so. Thank you for the news. Yeah, everything from that one. So our recommendations are
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keeping the existing 1.5 virtual factor. The justification for that isn't, it hasn't really changed.
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I was telling a phone call justification is that by the telephone call, get tests that are
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So if I'm doing that, we're going to put that square, is it someone down?
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And so
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I guess we just cut through these in order help.
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That's pretty much one thing.
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Yeah, that is the maximum value is 1.5.
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So I can't go and divide it into two.
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If we would bring it down some day, if commercial properties,
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for us to pass through them as an actual property,
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which would be a time to bring that down.
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That has not been had been,
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but also, probably some of the last things,
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that's passed over partial problems.
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So, we'd like to keep them that flat.
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You want to tell us,
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for all of them, would you want to vote on these?
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Can I, before, could I pause just for one second?
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Should I just double check and see if any of the other,
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So I have any questions.
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Now, okay, yes, let's go one by one.
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I think we're supposed to do one by one.
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Yep, okay.
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And motion on the board to accept the recognition of the board on the residential fine.
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So moved.
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Second.
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Any further discussion?
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Let's do roll call vote on that one.
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Bye, Greg.
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Last slide.
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Question so, why?
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All right.
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What's next?
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The next one is the better of an open space
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discount, the definition of open space under this part is very limited.
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And we have very little effect on anything that's certainly
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retinent at the documents.
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I move that we not adopt the open space discount.
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All second?
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The discussion.
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It's your roll call vote.
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But, all right, last time.
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Questions about it?
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All right.
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I don't know if the residential
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is something that is used mainly in towns
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that have a lot of out-of-state, out-of-nome,
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non-residents, vacation noms.
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Kids who used to, so even pass the vacation
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on this one side.
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I agree.
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We've looked into this as it means, perhaps,
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making more affordable than should the monthly suspense of houses, but it really just doesn't
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work on the town as objective and it kind of sounded kind of done well. So we can recommend
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that we will not doubt for us in the extension section.
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Right here, a motion.
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I move that we do not accept the residential exception option as recommended recommended.
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Second.
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Any discussion?
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Let's go ahead and vote.
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On your own.
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Last time.
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Options a lie.
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Okay.
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And the first one is the matter of small partial exemptions.
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Again, this is the one that would be.
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Major headache to administer.
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And so.
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And then one would benefit to the partial suffrage.
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So.
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So we recommend that.
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That.
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it was a move that we not adopt these small commercial
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exception.
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And second.
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Good question.
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I would just ask to do as a general, just sort of what's going on out there.
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Are there any towns that play around with both the commercial and the small commercial to try to attract businesses?
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is it successful or is it so case by case that it's hard to find any, I think that we
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have to make sense that you would have to have a fairly large commercial base, which is
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done.
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There aren't any small towns that have tried to use it to grow their version of base.
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I guess it's actually, I try to try to try to, I don't know for sure, but I was kind of
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Add a periodicity.
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Okay, let's go ahead and vote.
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Fine, all right, go outside.
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Hutchinson, I.
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That's it, right?
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Yep.
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I'm going to let me turn the board and assess groups.
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I agree.
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Thank you.
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I actually have one question for you before you disappear.
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Which is, I believe, last year you were talking about the program,
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the senior property checks right off program, the town version, and it sounded as though there were some pickups with that, and I was just wondering, and I'm trying to remember what those pickups were.
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I mean, it could refresh me, but I got that was the way for you when it was written. Oh, right,
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I tried to provide the relief because it was based on income and not well.
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So it was, and to do a property value, you know,
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income and the property value and the way
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there was a well-relipped man that people who deserved it couldn't get it, so the law of the
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actual, it's the same law that needs to be written, read, read, and take the justice with that,
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and that any, be something that affects the onsite, Lincoln, for it, and some of the chance.
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So it was an issue with the state run program, or with the Lincoln add-on.
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No, it was a state, it was a state option.
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And so is the Lincoln option helping people out?
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Yes, Lincoln.
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Yeah, it helps.
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So I mean, forget how many they were.
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Four and five, six people too.
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But this a lot has been written differently.
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What have gotten some of the reason they didn't get it.
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But for everybody else, it's a big difference.
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So same.
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So an Arctic change would be you have to have a real petition?
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is that the legislative way you're changing this, because that was a discussion I think last year.
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Kim does it. Yeah, I'm going to have to look into and have to see whether it's going to
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the honor of the statewide support or whether it has to be time by time.
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I guess I wasn't aware of the particulars of the Board of Public Health, but I'll check in with the assessors office and report back to them.
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I just remember we had this discussion last year and we were sort of wondering how many people are being served by a Lincoln program and is it working?
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And it was a bit of a snuff-o, but the first year we implemented it, and we didn't do it correctly.
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Okay. And we gave it to some people that were not technically qualified.
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I see.
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The second year in Bruce really came and read it carefully in Ellen and read it carefully in South Korea.
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This is what it really says.
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Let's make the spreadsheet follow what the law already says.
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I don't know.
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And it turns out there was some people out there that had been out of business.
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I would be curious to know what it is doing, what we would both have done.
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The way the formula was really, really complicated.
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I ended up getting town council involved.
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Did they?
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How do we interpret this clause?
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And it was good clause.
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And we wrote or it's the clause in the case.
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It's really safe, we only never write anything next.
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It's very, it's a lot of weed, but it's not going to do something for about
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it, you know, we're easily, so yeah, I guess so this is one of several programs to try
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and buy the breaks, see the work of the senior deferral, this is the basis one for
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option. Thank you. Thank you. So, I'm going to go back to you. Yeah, we've, we've been, I mean, at some point, the right thing for me to do is to do me.
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That's.
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I've got any settings.
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I can't.
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support that.
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Thank you.
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That was good.
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Okay. Thank you very much.
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Oh, no.
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We need to vote to close.
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Oh, yeah, this is probably due very often. I move that we close the public theorem for the text buses if you close the annual tax classification here. There we go. That was a great any discussion.
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Let's go ahead and vote.
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Last night last night.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, it's only have no tax change again.
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Yes, that's fair.
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Excuse me.
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Oh, we need to for the deer.
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That's the public too.
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Right.
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Should we do that now?
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To get them out.
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I don't think you need the board members but sure.
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You can ask.
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So we ran right through that without asking for if there was any questions from the public.
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And are there any questions from the public about the rate hearing?
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If so, please raise your virtual hand and we will pull you on screen.
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Anybody?
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Okay, I don't see any hands being raised, so I think we're good.
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Let's continue on.
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Our next appointment is with the Green Energy Committee, but they are not all here yet.
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We're planning on having it.
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So I suggest that we do a little state-of-the-town meeting planning discussion before and we'll go back to Green Energy at 7.
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You think that work for everybody?
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Yep.
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So to help me out with short-town meeting planning, Marari.
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So I think, and I welcome you, or a perspective on all of the action items.
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but I think we're down to a handful of open items.
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You may have seen in the packet that I translated,
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the conversation about who was presenting,
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which boards and committees into a formal agenda,
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and we put that out and subject to any other said that you may want,
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but I didn't receive any feedback to that,
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so I'm assuming that you're okay with that agenda.
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You ask that we follow up with the boards and committees who will be presenting to confirm that status with them.
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We've done that.
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So they should be getting their presentations together.
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There was instructions that there would be ten minutes maximum on the presentations for those boards and committees.
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And so I think we're good there, the only other action item for the soft tonight is if you want to start thinking about and confirming your individual roles, who's going to welcome and introduce, review the agenda, set contacts, facilitate each of the sessions, etc.
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and no urgency to do that this evening.
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But it would be helpful to get that conversation started.
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Could we think out loud just for a second about that
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in terms of the welcome and introduction
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or straightforward, the library's V8,
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seed session discussion is straightforward.
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The other one's setting the context
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and we're doing the agenda where you or do the other selects
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imagine in a different person, per committee that's getting up or how much, I think this is
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not going around us. Yeah. So again, I'll take a stab at that. Typically, the select board
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chair convenes the meeting, thinking through together the soft is a select board convened meeting where
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a special town need to use a moderator convene meeting.
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So I think our customers have been at the chair,
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does that?
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Well, an introduction, review the agenda,
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set whatever context needs to be done to avoid that,
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popping up and down.
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Jim, that we're concerned about.
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And then we would go into the,
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somebody would explain, I think, the intent
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with the brief presentations.
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and I don't know that we have to a lot of context setting and set up. My thought would be
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would turn it over to the respective chair, Jim, to your point of the board, a committee and
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work our way through each of them. But there reaches a point where a couple of those topics
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are issues that the select board liaison is working on. You know, if we're going to do
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at the end of a conversation about the World Way improvement process, you know, 10 presumably
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as the so-called work liaison and or I would do make that brief presentation about what's happening
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there and let's see, let's be full.
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It's just going to be a, if at that point, there's going to be a brief update on sort of long range
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planning efforts. It's really just to say coming soon, probably.
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Yeah.
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But Jennifer, what do you want thoughts on?
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Yeah.
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What the way you've set this up, it's a joint report on the master plan, the housing production plan, and the open space plan update.
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I don't know if you think all three should, we're all going to be saying the same thing, right?
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Yeah, very early on in the effort.
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Right. I think it's more to just say this is happening.
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a coming year when we're going to really need
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asking residents for lots of input and participation,
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and then, you know, dealing with some big topics,
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and that are all related.
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And that's kind of what that is.
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I'm also realizing that, typically, with the state of the town,
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we allow for an open comment period,
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which one of us facilitates, that we haven't accounted for.
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How much time do we have? I think that we left a little bit of space for about a million. No, no, you want 45 minutes. I mean, you have to change it.
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The 145 and 45.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't think that they.
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I don't think that all of the updates really need a full 10 minutes.
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We've got what you buy. For example, what we just talked about is certainly not a 10 minute.
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you know, it's 82 tops. I think we should be really tight.
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I wish I get everybody to that count, switch to five.
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Switch to five and then rely on the rest of the work to an egg.
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30, that's 50 per Q&A. Yeah.
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We need that right. How much do you say for 15?
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That enough.
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One, two, three, four, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five.
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And actually 20, but you know, I was just 15 20, but that has been a pay for the past
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couple of years and you know, okay, we will call open comment.
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Well, we also have food, yeah, we also have the time for the library Q&A, which has some
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public.
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or just throw out the ideas that people wish we would think about.
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I mean, it's not just Q&A, it's like, yeah, what do you think?
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Yeah, but not Liger.
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I think Liger.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Liger library for the next year.
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Yeah, David, let's say the library, if anything else, I hope and come, hope and comment.
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Jennifer, do you think you would do that two minute?
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Here's what's happening with the planning efforts?
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Was that nice?
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Me too.
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I think it'd be most efficient when you,
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your liaison to Archon Mosin.
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Yes, I will.
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Yep.
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So I'll champion with all of the
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committees and to say what do you want people to know?
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Doesn't somebody perhaps need to have to
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craft her cup and get people
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to down from the podium?
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When they're not getting off the school,
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please they should.
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You think?
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I don't know.
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I think we can probably pop on the
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down for the town meetings we call, you know, articles, next sort of, yeah, those things
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along. In this case, you'll be chair, those typically facilitate, but it's, it's a
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light hand on the rudder, you have the, uh, talk, but the chair would be the point
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person. Okay. Yeah. So I'll be prepared to key on things moving. There's somebody
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for that's that they're out next to whatever. And I think what we've done is made
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or that anyone who is doing that report,
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we are sitting at the front of the room.
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Yeah, so yeah, yeah, right.
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So we're on one side.
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It's presenters room.
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Yeah, just have those little logistics down.
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So we're not spending time following people
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from the back of the room.
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Do we have, if they have any sort of couple slides,
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do we have, we give them deadlines on one,
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we want that over to Michael?
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Yeah, we'll take your little follow.
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So community center building project.
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I feel like that, I hate to say it because it's five minutes, but the beam is all reuse plan.
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It's probably just me, because Sarah, Judy, really haven't been involved in that.
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And that is literally a minute or two. That is a very quick update because there hasn't been much happening
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because we don't have a moving date on the community center.
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But that community center building project should probably be Sarah and Judy.
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Sarah and GD are doing the beamest thing alongside of any better update.
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Yeah. Okay.
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And what I can do is I can pop up because I'm there and then introduce them to provide the
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communities that are building projects so you don't have to put them up to pop up.
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And then we say the way to finance and then we may this may come up in our next discussion
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but I was in the first little bit of third community committee's meeting this morning
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And depending on where our conversation is later tonight in this month, if there is any public comment period that we are starting about the aggregation program, there might be a one sentence sort of reminder to folks that when that whatever that deadline is, which could be delivered just in the opening or but just a reminder somewhere to tell people that that's
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I'm not an extrovert pay, they know how to gauge it.
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But we make it that in spell effort that that was one little piece of kick on this one.
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You know, let's think about tying you back because I feel like if you start with something important,
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it's often people are still wrestling around and haven't got mercy to add in all that.
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Maybe it's in the closing before we move to the library.
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Yeah.
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It's, you'll have everybody's attention about that, I think.
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And more people on the run.
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Yeah.
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And more people on the run.
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Some people will come just for why I'm already enough.
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And then one question is whether
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at the end of the meeting, we want to pull up the same
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two, three questions that we ask that the end of the last
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time meeting, just to kind of start creating a record.
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That's going to don't fit all with the questions, make them exactly the same.
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Well, we definitely wanted to do that for regular town meetings and
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State of the this is for state of the
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Why not it's this town meeting yeah, it's the town meeting. So we just set that clickers
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Because we need to
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Yes, let's let's not fill with a word
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exactly the same also that you've got if you're going to venture far off the first.
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Right.
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So then finance committee is Paul.
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Lincoln and Lincoln said very school committee,
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do you know who's what's the prison on those?
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I don't know.
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We emailed Lincoln representatives to the L.S. school committee,
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the superintendent of superintendent Graham and Matino.
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So yeah, they'll be back to us.
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So I understand it is possible, too.
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Yeah. I also find that it's for each of those, that's your compilation.
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Right, 15.
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You got two and a half minutes.
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We have to do this.
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That's kind of, whether the land is kind of harsh and angry.
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All right.
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Any kind of else?
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So what are we in replacement in payment improvement plans?
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Did you want me to speak to it, or did you want yourself?
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Kim, I don't want to.
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I'm happy to do two minutes update on what's happening on the pavement plan.
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And it will be easier for me to coordinate with work normally to make sure we're
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during that time. Okay. So that's a written tip. What are you giving improvement? Okay.
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That makes sense.
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And on the, you can jump to the library then. And I also,
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reading that discussion. I assume that's what we are going to be about.
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Would do that. Yeah. Okay.
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And is that bringing up other people, or am I going through a slide that stands them over so far?
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Yeah, again, thinking about it, I think the bulk of that presentation would be you.
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And then you would discretion whether or not you would want, you would want Dan involved in that conversation.
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The Dan stuff is probably going to be in response to questions I would think.
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We can't have a mayor level.
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I would think I would have a mayor in case somebody asked something about the answer too.
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I'm just wondering if anybody else, like somebody for the library,
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or, you know, CTC or anybody else that's been involved in this team and effort to get up.
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Yeah. You're like, what's helpful about if you do it though is you're not really putting your neutral.
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You're coming in and saying, this is the facts.
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Yeah.
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And the library could do that as well. I suppose I just don't know if they anymore have an advocate.
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Or they just don't have the experience or not, probably as involved in the details.
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But I feel like you come in kind of neutral and I think that makes sense where she's having someone
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I know Green Energy is over to whatever's decided by the residents, but they obviously have some leaning
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The only other question I would have in addition to
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Jim is is there a financial piece and who would review the financial piece?
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definitely fine for people over there. Yeah, again, I say solidly seems Jim has been kind of running
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carefully alongside the technical, the financial, we've all been trying to keep the library in the
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loop. I think Jim could do the finances are not as complicated, really, in a high level as
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sometimes the meetings. Well, I think there are a little complicated right now because I haven't
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lock down what the proposal is. So when we get that, yeah, it's going to be boom boom. It's a spreadsheet
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with, yeah, there's the proposal, there's the tax in fact, the usual, right funding sources and
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yeah, I don't think it needs the finance committee to present it. So it is really, I mean, it's not
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there, yet, who's offered off-rothing, which a bunch of funds, but it would be kind of tough
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or either thin-com or CPC to totally drive that one anyway, right? That's a team effort.
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Exactly. Exactly. That's why I say, Jim, I think you're a best position, and when we get closer,
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and you and Dan and I are working on a slight presentation, it'll become more obvious whether
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we should include any of the others in the presentation that the war article and what should
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feel differently is going to be jointly sponsored, so like a library trustee is because
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I think it's absolutely appropriate at some point for the library to make some kind of statement
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about the problem. I guess I feel like I'm okay with everybody else having me summarized or maybe
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none, but actually like the library at least has to go up there and say we've been like
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Peter please yeah, or you know whatever they want to say agreed
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One minute or you know, it doesn't have to be the whole getting the many details
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But it you know, it may not hurt to have that the front of that slide deck
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So to I don't know if there's a useful visual in this case or not, but just sort of you know what are the
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Oh, yeah, what are the issues we have the picture of
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What is it 25 30 year old at the event? Yeah, yeah, you start with that and
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and maybe we have the library from up right then.
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And say, we'll let that point.
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Yeah, we'll just to say, you know,
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we're not the experts on the technology
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and the finance and stuff, but we need to pay.
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We need to pay.
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We need to pay.
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Is that helpful to use the other way?
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So I'll use all the library and...
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It's full of paper.
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It's a happy little.
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Chimala, Jackie, no, and Melissa, no.
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That will be inviting them into, right?
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That would be great. And just tell them it's just going to be, you know, brief one slide kind of,
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you know, we're not expecting them to carry the significant weight of the person's position.
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Right. Yeah. They would not want us to, we don't want, we don't want. We don't want.
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They don't, they've gone past where we're going to. Yes, they have.
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All right, sounds good.
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Um, can we, uh, correct? Is there, do we know if the moderators going to need any additional
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minutes? Yeah. Not yet. Okay. On the special town meeting. I think you all have seen his
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graph. Um, memo. He is going to be a wowing. Um, let's see calling him.
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extended to thank you extended presentations if any group comes forward with such a
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presentation so we'll have to if he does get somebody in that category and they
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have a list of things they have to do to qualify for doing this we'll have to talk
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again about schedule yeah where do I would fit but I guess we have to work with the
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we can't just tell the moderator, how to run, not meeting family.
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So we'll cross that bridge when we get there, I guess.
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Invite him to join us.
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Invite him to join us.
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There we go.
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Pretty good.
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Is this a good break point?
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Can we switch back to GEC?
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I see they are present now.
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The only other thing I've been mentioned.
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Just two days we should always mention.
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The two upcoming meetings we have.
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at the September 28th, multi-board, 18th,
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and the other one hours,
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the September 28th, select board meeting
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to discuss, that's the first time.
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So September 28th.
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That's the first time.
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That's the second time.
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It's the second time.
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It's the second time.
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Yes.
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That's right.
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The address?
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Yes.
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It's excellent.
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The address?
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Okay.
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The address?
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information session for library track. And in the meantime, thank you, Katie, for getting
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the postcard out that should be in everybody's mailbox, should be very green.
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No.
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Oh, I don't know. Oh, yes.
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I don't think I can.
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No, no, yes. It went to the printer, and it's either going to go out tomorrow or first thing
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one.
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I need supplies to deliver it to camp. And everything is together.
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I can't deliver it myself.
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Full thatder bin is in there.
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Yeah, just take it my yellow.
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All right, great, good.
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Good day, thank you.
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And we will also do a paper select for a news letter to send,
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maybe out at the warrant, or we have to discuss that.
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There's something that is the best sort of description
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that we can master of project.
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I'm happy to do all the formatting for that, but I'm not being content specialists on that.
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Say again when the timing of that, when we have to get that ready.
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Just a word, get nailed out.
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Two weeks, two and a half weeks before the meeting.
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So we should approve it at our October 5th meeting.
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And ideally, we'll have a few FAQs, you know, whatever, whatever you think is a good way of describing the project and maybe hitting on and anticipating what we think a couple of FAQs might be helpful to answer so that we can mail up this to the bottom.
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timing wise can I work on that with technical part of that with you on the week of
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September 20th or 8th. So I've grown up. That's all right. Yeah, that's fine. Is it?
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We straightforward put it together once they're done. Okay.
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I'm going to ask you to get me out, the warrant has to get me out, don't later, then October 10th.
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Okay, so we'll approve it.
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Our October 5th meeting and then it can all be all ready.
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Does that work for you, Katie?
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Absolutely.
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And I already made them aware of when it needed to go out and that I probably would get it earlier that week.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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So I'll touch face with you that way too. I'll get on exactly what length I would say probably more normally we had a total of
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eight pages so we have to do it in four. So four pages I think would be enough. So yeah,
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back in a front and a back.
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And you can send it to me. It doesn't have to look pretty,
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even to sense, but it's the words, it's the words and any charts that you want.
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You've got it. Not for you, I could do.
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Only content, no format or. Nope. Don't worry about them.
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I'm going to send it to you a binary.
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Yeah, more format in the net.
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Ask you, you're as opposed to me. Okay, so enough on.
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Yeah, yes, thanks a lot. Let's go back to our 10.
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7 p.m. appointment, which we're a little late for now, sorry about that green energy committee.
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And the agenda item is to discuss the green energy choice program and what we should be doing with the renewable energy credit revenue in that program.
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So, Paul, I see you online, did you get the video view powers to unmute and all that?
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Yes, you made it.
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Can you hear me? Yes, you can. Okay. Also, I made a short slide deck, which I can share or somebody they're composed if you like. I can also do it without that.
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What's easier?
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You have the power to share. Go ahead and share.
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Okay.
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Okay, I didn't need to share my, okay, and I succeeded in sharing a slide deck or am I sharing too much.
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Oh, I mean, that's at the whole.
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The zeroes, three.
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Slide mode.
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That's okay.
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Okay.
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All right.
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What?
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It works.
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It works.
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All right.
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So basically, you know, just going to go to the background and then the goals of the sub-date and proposed timeline.
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So, this is both about substance and process, maybe even more about process and looking for input from the select board on this.
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So, Lincoln Grinn and Detroit is what we call a thing that the state is authorized, which is a community choice aggregation program, which is what, you know, is normally called generally called.
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which authorize the town to sort of do a bulk buy of electricity that people are defaulted
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into, but they can opt out of.
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And these programs are invented, they're rich, and I think they help save money, and ours
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has save money.
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But ours has a purpose beyond that, which is to mediate diverse climate effects of electricity
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to use some Lincoln, and has aimed to do that by having three tiers of ways to participate
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in the program.
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Each one you add a little bit or more or a lot more of a class one Rex, which I won't
[44:00]
go too deep into explaining what those are, and I think that people here in the face of the
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Blackboard is aware from private discussions, but class one Rex or part of a system the state
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has created to drive the greening of the electrical grid, so to speak.
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We think it still works, but not working so all for buying the extra class one racks,
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which short, so there's uncertainty as described in our prior conversation, I won't go over
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that now and let's be a lot of questions.
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So that's why although, so we think it has been effective or not sure it will continue to
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at least for the next several years until certain policy changes push for the Trump administration
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and things that government has done, you know, ring out of the system. So, what we'd like to do,
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goals of the program of ElfDate is to add flexibility to our state-approved plan right now,
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the plan at the state.
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Okay to approve of. It says the only thing we can use the money from what I'll call the adder for is why I actually class on Rex. Our consultants told us that to satisfy state process improvements, it's relatively simple change.
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We can just say, or something else, right, we can add an option to the state approved program.
[45:21]
How exactly we define that option is up to us, but it might say something like, or other investments, or expenditure is intended to mitigate climate change.
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Or mitigate the climate change effects of electricity and liquid.
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Or, you know, it's up to us.
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So, there is a state requirements for making that amendment to a plan.
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They're pretty minimal, it's basically give the public notice, and 30 days after you
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do comment.
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What we would like to do, and discuss to the select board of four, is beyond that minimal
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process to actually be more robust and seek public input on if we get that flexibility
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what should we do with the flexibility, all right. And also eventually the foundation
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from vote at town meeting in March, which will probably be necessary to do the kind of change
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we'd like to make. Specifically, if we're going to keep the idea of some kind of
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voluntary in the sense that people always get notice of it and they can opt out of the
[46:37]
program if they don't like it. The way it's been used to buy extra class of rights has
[46:45]
not required any kind of town fund or other account. It's just built into the system, which
[46:51]
just happens. You know, if this alternative approach, which would involve collecting the money
[47:01]
and keeping it somewhere in some pot,
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and then spending it on some good thing,
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building a solar field and Lincoln,
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or maybe something outside of Lincoln, whatever.
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That tease of the question, like,
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where is the money going to sit,
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who's going to pay it out and how?
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And the proposal on the table,
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which this morning, the Greenwich Committee agreed
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we support is how meeting vote could authorize the creation
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but what I understand is called a, sorry, not a sustainability fund, a
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stabilization. Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Well, whistle turn, dedicated stabilization fund. We might come up with some more fun
[47:46]
public-facing name for it, but I guess that's the technical term. So, so the town
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meeting vote, we'd have to come up with a warneracle, that would define the limits what it could
[47:54]
use for, but we would propose to be something like, you know, to, for, for, for projects
[48:05]
in, and to mitigate climate change, you can add climate, you know, resilience, you
[48:13]
too, if you want to, that's up to us. You know, each community is mostly focused on mitigation,
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but our brief doesn't include, you know, resiliency projects.
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So, a town meeting vote of two thirds would be required to set up a stabilization fund.
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Then, this is what I have in coach by Jim Hutchinson here in Colleen.
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To take away the out of the fund, you need a vote at town meeting on a worn article.
[48:40]
It's a budget like item, but I guess it's a wearer called separate from the budget warrant.
[48:44]
And then what people voting on is, okay, we're three years in, the money's impiling up,
[48:51]
now you're proposal to spend it, you want to spend on an ex-project town meeting, we approve it.
[48:57]
So it wouldn't have to be brought up every year, town meeting, it could be, it wouldn't have to be spent in the same year, it could be.
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That's how I understand what it would work.
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So that's kind of the substance of part, but I think I'll just pause and see if it has questions or comments before I go over.
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sort of a tensile timeline between now and town meeting.
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I think the question so far.
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I was just going to say, I think the one other piece I understand correctly is that it would also be possible to earmark some of those funds that could be available like an up to amount immediately for if there's a grant opportunity and we need to match the grant or we need to.
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We talked to Colleen about that and she would be comfortable with that.
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So we would say,
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Those are not big amounts. Those are small amounts that we're talking about for a boat.
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Right.
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Getting rats or doing matching funds for rats.
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So, but it would be sort of up to, if you don't spend it, but it would, it could be spent without having to go back to time.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I like it to how we have an engineering budget that sort of,
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generic, and we can decide as the year goes through what exact little engineering projects we need to do with that money.
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So this would be a similar kind of thing, out of the stabilization range.
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I had a question though, and I wondered if you, in the answer, Tim, we did get a attorney general approval for the revolving fund that we set up for the
[50:44]
solar, the landfills, solar, but the least limit payments. Do we expect to use that?
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I think that's a great question, Jim. Colin and I talked about this earlier today.
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I think we should have a follow-on conversation about that because the same concerns that the
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re-direction program raised would apply to that as well. It may, it may make sense to wrap the $30,000
[51:16]
annual lease payment into the stabilization fund as well, the bill out of those funds.
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I guess that's what I was leading to as it seems overly complicated to me.
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have two different things, different rules. Nobody, you know, five years from now, nobody understands
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why we have two or what's the difference between them, the greed. So as long as everybody's
[51:39]
comfortable that the grant, pursuit time can be handled with the stabilization fund, which I think
[51:47]
were new with now. It seems like we do not need that revolving fund, which is a little
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If he, anyway, yeah, the AG was reluctant to get us a approval for that.
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Is that, makes sense to everybody?
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Paul, did you understand what we were just talking about?
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Are you okay with that?
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Yes.
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I do understand it.
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I guess I don't really, I'm aware of the opinion from the Department of Revenue.
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I thought it was limiting the use of revolving funds and kind of throwing shade on what we
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thought would be the way what we could do.
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So, is it also not okay to do as we plan with the solar? I'd actually don't know. So, it's a little more borderline and would like this what I would say involved in your right. It's the DR talked about the aggregation funds in particular.
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and said that role is not appropriate for aggregation funds in particular. So that's why we know
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that the right thing to do for the adder for the municipal irrigation program is to do the
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stabilization fund. Yeah, but the least payment from the solar is a little different.
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You maybe could argue a little bit more successfully that that's revenue from a program of ours.
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Right? And so it's not quite the same. But to me, it's like you're having the tail wag
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the dog because the lease revenue is like 30k a year and the ad revenue from the aggregation
[53:34]
program is like 300k a year. Right. So I feel like you're getting marginal extra utility
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with twice as much complexity.
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I guess my personal initial reaction, if I guess you asked for that, I get the downside
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of complexity, but it seems like it might be worth it for the additional flexibility.
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I'm sure how much complexity really matters, I'm not sure, sure, initial reaction.
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So we're not sure how much flexibility.
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Well, if actually it's just 30K that doesn't have to go through
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down meeting approval, I guess.
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Right.
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Although an agenda alluded to a town council, the attorney general
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through the by-law that allowed that revolving fund, but gave
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pretty strict caution about it.
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It wasn't an unqualified approval and town council
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anticipated that. And was equally concerned. So I think the safer course of action would be to have the least revenue from the landfill also went to the stabilization fund.
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Yeah, I'm reading that memo. I was not thinking that you could use it to like move a brass around the panel. And that was maybe at, you know, I'm being great.
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That's stretching it. But it sounded very. Yeah. They might give us a hard time if you use the things for things that are unrelated to the solar project or solar projects. And so I feel like it's the tail wagging the dog. I just feel like if we put it in the stabilization fund, we can definitely use it for anything. Exactly.
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I hope it's okay. I saw a few people in the waiting room and because I'm
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looking to host. I like them as I hope that you're at that.
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All right. Any other comments or thoughts about the revolving fund? What do we need to do to
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in terms of our actions on this? We need to go to include the proposed stabilization
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from vote on next annual town meeting more. Okay and who's going to come up with that? Is that going to be
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GC? No. We're going to come up with that. Yeah, I'm happy to share it with Paul. What a lot of that
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work that like work is already done. Oh, it is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'll share it with Paul and did we get in
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from GEC. Absolutely, whether they like, in particular the scope of what the fun is authorized to do,
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I think they might have some, why don't I have some input on that? Yeah, right, Paul.
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Yes, definitely. And that relates to what I was going to offer as my next slide or discussion
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and last one. I'm still sharing or thought I should. I need to re-share.
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We can see it.
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Okay, got you.
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So we're supposed to stop.
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We go bigger.
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Sure.
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All right.
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So the sequence, you know, as I, you know,
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it ends at the March town meeting, right?
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And maybe it starts with you guys saying tonight, yes,
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for on the right track, right?
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So the steps we would need to go through is we need to do this minimum 30-day public
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going to the comment period. That's required for the state's sake, right?
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The state's process is requirements. So if we more than 30 days, so maybe it could be from
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you know, in a couple of weeks we get everything drafted and it's like pork and checkers
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if they want or not, we could want it to mid November if we wanted to, based on discussion
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this morning, including input from Jennifer, it would include not only are you okay with
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making this slight broadening in the state-of-proof plan, but also what do citizens think
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about these scoping questions, you know, should the investments be limited to municipal buildings
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or limited to infrastructure in Lincoln or infrastructure in mass or whatever, we also have
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discretion to invite inputs through, not only were in submissions, but, like, they will come to GEC meeting.
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Maybe we'll have us extra GEC meeting at a, you know, evening time for people that can't come to the E30.
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You know, any other process that the select board would like, you know, we can add in, right?
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Then we could report the select board after that six or eight weeks or whatever we make it on the comments we receive and our recommendations if any.
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If you authorize the form of the worn article in say January, then once we had that down,
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including how much specific we want to include on the planned nature of the investments,
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then we could do some public awareness leading up the town meeting February March,
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so people feel ready to vote on a town meeting. That's a possible process.
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That sounds pretty good to me, Paul.
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I wonder about the interaction with our upcoming state of the town and the special town meeting on October 24th.
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I wonder if you want to use that meeting as a way of announcing something about this process or maybe kicking off the public comment period starting.
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and that day or the next week after that.
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Can you answer the question?
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Is this a ball?
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Are you guys going to be in the lobby?
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Did you think?
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I'm a role at, well, to ask him to respond to him first.
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Yeah, I mean, I haven't done the math on the calendar yet.
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It seems like if we wanted to wait till that October.
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The meeting to kick this off. I would guess we could get all this done between then and town meeting. And I guess that might have the advantage of how people would only be asked to think about one thing at a time, right?
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So to speak, you know, vote on the library thing and then start the new thing.
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You were also giving you time to get the materials ready for doing that process, right?
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Yeah, you're going to say something. It'll take you some time to do that.
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Yes, I mean, if we wanted to get it going sooner, in which case the commentary would not be overlapping with the special town meeting.
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And especially on eating, we just like remember, you still have two more weeks to comment, or four more weeks or whatever, right?
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That would be another way to do it.
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And how much time do we need to put them together?
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It's certainly more time as always easier, I think we could do it in a couple weeks if we want to get going sooner.
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So, Jen, can I get clarification?
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Is GEC envisioning then two potential warm articles in March 1?
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Will is that a non-vinding kind of owner whether to make the wreck change?
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Or are we delaying that decision until March?
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I don't know, maybe.
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I don't know.
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I think I can clarify that.
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Thank you.
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I know I thought this through, but we need to tell meaning to establish this stabilization fund.
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Right?
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Just the stabilization.
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Thank you.
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That'd be the only war-dark I think we would need at that time meeting.
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This select board would be free well before an independent panel meeting to make the sort of minor
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technical change in the state-to-proof plan, which is says, we're
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used to add it by class on RECS and maybe other stuff.
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That's where the plan with state-to-require process requirements is
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a separate and less-privileged detail than complying with our own process
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requirements.
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But we should, this like word, should approve the change to the program, well
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four-town meeting or else the, yeah, same location fund doesn't make sense, right? Exactly. Exactly.
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So you could prove that, that's where I had this, you know, November December and that,
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it could be even sooner, right? Yeah. So we could have it in our, maybe in our December meeting,
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we could have proved the change to the program of public, public comments were supportive of it.
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So we could add our next meeting, which I know we're trying to keep the lighter, but I think it would simply be about to say yes, open the, open the comment period and send out the slainer that it was in the right way, which, which, meaning are you thinking we would open it, absolutely eight to twenty eight just to say is and then it is talking about they're running through like mid november.
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So doing a longer than a 30K.
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Oh, you're allowed to be more than 30.
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I think you did this 30 days.
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Because I would request it
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to have at least two weeks passed.
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Stayed on sound eating, sure.
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But I think some people will
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well cure about it until they come to the state of the town
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meeting.
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Right.
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But I think if I remember correctly,
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fall to do the 30-day comment period. We send a letter out to everybody, which I think we can get
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some help paying for, and remember incorrectly, to all residents the way we do whenever there's a
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change to this program.
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It's a different letter, but we would put this line or, you know, we could
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at least piggyback by saving some postage you're putting an explainer in with that other.
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Right.
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Yep.
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The formal notice.
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Yep.
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Do we have any ability for residents to provide comments online?
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Is there a place on the website where folks wanted to provide a comment to you directly
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after reading it in the mail?
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I don't know if we already have a way to use the GC website or the town website.
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But I mean, I think the minimum would be sending the email to this address and we can add as many additional modes as we feel like coming up with.
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Great.
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Okay.
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Nice.
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Did we just agree to add a couple minutes to our state of the town for a green energy to introduce this and the important committee update?
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Well, that's why earlier, I said, I think it's more like, so if we've started the process,
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I was going to have been information out to the public and various codes of communication
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and fit this online period is going on. I think it's, well, what I suggest it's
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smarting because I know time to cite is that one of us in whether it's the opening or closing remarks.
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Just mention your mind. Yeah, people.
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Okay. Yeah, what's not getting into a presentation? What's your remind people of it? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think of it.
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Yeah. Do you see us that have a table outside? That would be fantastic. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. That was great. Right. Paul, if you might want to stop sharing that.
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But I think that. Yeah. The fact that we have the townwide mailer really helps. Yes.
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It was really we're talking about getting message out and that's going to get the message out to everybody who's part of the program.
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Did you get any feedback on the explainer when you pushed that out to Lincoln top a few weeks ago?
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Only a few.
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Oh, here we go.
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Stop sharing.
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There's a couple of finding that.
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Um, I think I got two maybe three emails.
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Yeah.
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Which I respond.
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Not much response.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Great.
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So, we should do about to add the article to the warrant, right?
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I move that we add an article in March.
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Add a word article in March for the purpose of creating a stabilization.
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Thank you.
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I'll do that.
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Can you further discover what you're perfecting you with so good?
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You just a check.
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Go ahead.
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You're going to vote on that.
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It's one of Clark.
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Yes.
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So if I saw something.
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Father, I lost.
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I should survive.
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Go ahead, Paul.
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What's your.
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Thanks.
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So September 28th, like board meeting,
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it sounds like you probably would like to have the language for the public
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notice ready to be to approve that?
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Yes.
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I'd like to open the public comment.
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Yes.
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Right.
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All right.
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We'll link for that.
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Thank you.
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And then the information probably to piggy about whether we
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Get some help with the mailing of that. Right.
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Right.
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We also have the October 5th Info session. Would that be acceptable or maybe even better
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place to do this? Yeah, I don't want to. Yeah, I think that 20% will definitely be to say
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Here's the watch, okay, not a one. Okay, sounds good. Any other questions or comments,
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ball? That's for me. Thank you for the guidance. Yep. Thank you for,
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yeah, thank you. I'm going to say the discussion and you're work on this. Sure. I will drop
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and go to the meeting. Okay, thanks. All right, so we are back to our discussion section
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and we did stay in the town. So I guess we're ready for a library at HVAC update.
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Tim, do you want to leave us on that? Sure. So Dan and Beth, Colleen,
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as you know, we're scrambling all the holiday weekends to try to get final data, cost comparisons,
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energy and emissions data as was requested by the various
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boards at the prior meeting that memo went out yesterday and you
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all should have received copies of that and at a high level the the big
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takeaways are the based on this analysis the cost the anticipated cost
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The ground source system replacement is almost exactly the same as the cost of the more conventional replacement and to be careful.
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The war article that we talked about for the good invention is the replacement only of the boiler estimated at 330,000.
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We are, that's not the comparison that I'm referring to here. The full system replacement
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conventional with a high efficiency boiler is, I'm going to look for these costs here.
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Make sure I'm holding them directly. The round source total project costs is estimated at 6.25 million now
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before incentives and the more conventional system replacement, the net cross of that is
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Well, 3.7 net for the ground source and its 3.67 for the convention, the net town cost.
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So those are within handling distance of one another.
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The bigger challenge is that the total project cost has gone up by $1.2 million since the estimates were
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created in January. And if you recall the CPC and the Finance Committee came together at that time and agreed on a funding plan with CPC agreeing to fund the project exclusively from CPC revenue with a CPC
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stock with stabilization phones in the event that the tax credits and the other incentive
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zeal of grants came in less than anticipating.
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So the big challenge at this point is really to the CPC and to finance committee to figure
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out how best to fund that $1.2 million.
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So, again, assuming it seemed that there was a pretty strong consensus to present the ground source as the preferred option,
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assuming that the costs were relatively equal to the two projects.
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Given my takeaway was given the kind of one-time nature of the potential incentive, the tax incentives and ramps,
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the scene like an opportunity that might not come around again.
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So as long as those two costs will be relatively equal.
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Can I jump in there a tick for a second, Tim?
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I think that's all correct.
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And thank you for that recap.
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I do feel like we've given the four relevant boards
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different information each time we've issued a memo on.
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And this is our best effort to get all the facts right into be as diligent as possible in all the details.
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So I love all this work and I applaud Dan and Beth and you on and Colleen on all that work.
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But I feel like we need to give those committees time to ask questions about this memo before we start making big conclusions out of it.
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even the conclusion that their ground source
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and conventional or similar costs,
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I think it's premature to say that that strongly, honestly,
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because we haven't even given people a chance
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to ask questions about this memo.
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People just got it yesterday.
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We're going to talk about this in the multi board meeting
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on the 28th, and I would be using the time period
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before then to try to gather questions
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for people about what their reactions are to this memo and what questions they have about the
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memo.
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Absolutely.
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Jim, that's in process.
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So we are working with call and with Eric, making sure that they have had the chance to share
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the memo with their colleagues and to open dialogue.
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And Colleen has already started kind of what if cases with both call and
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for them to share next week. I think as you know, a finance committee is reading first.
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Did you say that you're talking about public last year, not Paul Shore? Yes. Can we also get the
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same kind of input from GEC? Of course, maybe they're not going to be quite as tuned in on the finance
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aspects of it, but they might very well have questions about the energy and sustainability trade-offs
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short or benefits in Japanese. We'll make sure we don't have those. I just want to make sure
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everybody has a chance to ask questions and you know get any concerns or questions out there
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before we start jumping to you know what we need to say. Yeah, what do we do with this? Yeah,
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and Jim, I'm going to be terrible and your reaction reminds me of the need to be careful.
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We all know what a moving target this has been to your point every time we update these numbers.
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Some of the assumptions have changed. And none of us at a staff level would presume any expertise.
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So we're hostage to, you know, what we're getting from the consultants.
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And I think everybody involved, though, feels that every time we've refined the numbers,
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They've got the tighter and tighter, and I think as you know, just one illustration, we had a lot of concerns about the investment tax credit estimates six months ago, even a year ago.
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And that's an area that would feel much more confident, just a little straight. So each time we're at it, we think that it's, you know, the analysis is getting tighter.
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But as you all have said, in every public meeting, we're on the coming edge on this project.
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We're not aware of another community, but was completely navigated this process, you know.
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So, I share your concern and want to make sure that the committees have enough time to, enough time to react.
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Again, let me rephrase if the Bores and committees conclude that the assumptions are reasonable.
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at this point. Then the conclusion is that the two are within handling. Thank you. And I think that's, that's, that's, that's not, they have it. Yeah. Yeah. And so again, high high level, kind of the three buckets that we've been thinking about the service are the two costs, life cycle costs relatively equal. If they are, then how do we solve the $1.2 million cost.
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cost escalation and that consideration is going to go to CPC and to finance
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human and at 1.2 million I don't want to speak for CPC but I think they're
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going to have to take a careful look about their ability to finance that entire
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Delta and there may be some conversation with finance committee about free
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hash or stabilization fund or something else.
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So that's second consideration.
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And then the third consideration that you all
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asked for was a careful, the best analysis
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that the consultants could come up with for energy
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consumption, comparison, and emissions data.
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And Jim, I guess I would turn to you
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to maybe summarize the high takeaway.
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Sure, I think that the summary of the electrical, the energy use, the simplest things to say are first that both of the proposed systems, the geothermal and the commercial one are a little bit more efficient than the current system.
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I think that's fair to say.
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I think that the balance of what kind of energy used is different.
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The geothermal is going to be completely electric.
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And so it's electric uses actually a little bit higher than the current system
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or the conventional solution.
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But it uses zero fossil fuels.
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natural gas in particular, which the conventional system does use.
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The conventional system solution would use a little bit less than the current system does,
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because it would be a newer, more efficient unit.
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But it would still be using a, you know, significant amount of that.
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So the way the numbers work, and this is one area where I actually want to clarify something with Dan,
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There's not going to be a huge cost savings to operate any of these systems, unfortunately.
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If there is one, just from straight operating costs, it's on the order of $2 or $3,000 a year.
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So, minor in comparison to the project cost, and then you get into the question of the operating and maintenance costs of the systems.
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And there was another one in there that I wanted to ask questions about, which is the verification loss.
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And that one, I'm a little bit less sure on, but when you add those two together, you get a increase over the current operating cost.
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Not a decrease. And again, so this memo was so new that I kind of would like to just have a conversation with them.
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And you, I guess, tomorrow or sometime, short.
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Because to me, don't we have a, you know,
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so the poverty and cost of the current program or the current system?
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And should we be talking about the Delta from that rather than acting like there's no cost now when you may have costs for the new system?
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So I feel like maybe after a little bit of tweaking
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of what we say about that, we might be back to
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they're not being a huge foster for us.
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And we give you the two, but I'm a little unsure
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about whether there really is an increase
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in operating costs for a new system.
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So I'm not sure I'd believe that's true.
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So anyway, just say it more quickly,
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energy utilization is a little bit better for both of them
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with it definitely being greener for the geothermal.
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And it certainly will have lower carbon emissions
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as a result of not using any fossil fuels.
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So that I think, for going after sustainability,
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that's the obvious win.
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On the fine-inside, operating costside,
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not so clear that there's any big numbers there,
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that should affect our thinking about it.
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I can imagine one question coming up and I'm not sure I know the answer, but I imagine
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as a town we have a some sort of contract for purchasing national natural gas that is locked
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in for how long given what's happening in the world at the moment.
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I don't recall China for off the top, but I can get that from Brandon, yeah, I don't know about
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national bass, either, but I know that for our electric usage, it was, we were doing it one
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or two years at a time. So it's not a huge, you know, that's on the order of how long it's going
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to take us to procure and install all this stuff. Right. So I'm just thinking that we are in an
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environment where costs are volatile. Yeah. And just how immediate that is, whether it's, you know,
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whether we're locked into something for the next five years
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or whether it's, oh, by the way, let's see what a cost to January.
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Right.
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This might be a question that pops up for juggle
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as that are reading the news and wondering what's our cost?
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And whether, I mean, our personal balls are,
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Good. About the cost of fuels and electricity. Well, my, my feeling is, we might need to tweak the message that we have a little bit, but basically it's going to be that operatic costs is not a big win or so.
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Not a big consideration.
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I feel like when we go through this to it and we're getting this ready for the public.
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There's a, this is such inside baseball now. We've been doing this for so long. We have to make sure that we
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a practical support.
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A simpler message, a simpler chart about the different types of
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costs that is different because when you look at it, when they look at
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the loan article, and we mentioned it at the beginning, they're looking at
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330 versus what we said was 6.25 before incentives.
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And so, explained to folks that the cost that they're actually going to see is
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plus air handling universe could be an extra $3 million.
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But residents might question, how is that going to be $3 million?
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So we have to be ready to answer that as well.
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How did we get from 330 to 3.67?
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Yeah.
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The wrong question.
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Another question I think they're going to be asking, and we talked about that the fine and
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multi-word meeting was about the incentives, and all the list of incentives, a likely
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to go to the risk of incentives, because there's a lot of millions of dollars in those incentives
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that we may or may not attain.
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Obviously, we know we have a million dollars in the rest of my fee, you know,
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they'd likely likely, I mean, a vet green black, and bite back to that.
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But we have to, residents going to want to know,
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look at the miserable levels of those.
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And then, by the last thought is time on, time on, AC needs.
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If folks do want to kick the can, they are just happy with 330,
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and they'd like to go that route.
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We might be just talking of you.
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You know what I mean? We're not talking the fires or 10.
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We know the system's equal, you know.
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And it's equal, you know.
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So we just have to make sure, again, the messaging around 330 in kind of how it's a
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misnomer, currently fine if residents want to go that route, but there is a, the extra
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cost is coming possibly the next year.
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But it was so the point thing is we got a really thoughtful about messaging this because we
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have been in this for so long, and it makes sense to us, and residents might be coming in
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no background on this way.
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So this is expensive.
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It's a totally green. One of the things that I was trying to do with the current memo was
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hold it until we could clarify and eliminate some of the complexity. Yeah. So we have these
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adders roughly 500 pay worth of adders for upgrading the electrical to the library. And we're going to
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know whether we actually need that or not in the next week or two. Unfortunately, you really need
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to get this memo out. So we went out with this extra number added on there, even though we're
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not sure we're going to need it. So that's another way that we need to start trimming this down
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to the details that we're actually going to be proposing in October. And on the upgrade side,
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I have a question maybe you know the answer to Tim. I don't quite understand why we need
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electrical embrace for the conventional approach. Because the conventional approach
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uses less electricity than the current and it means system does. So why would
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by lowering the electrical demand, why would we need to upgrade the electrical system?
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Yeah, no, good at that. Good question, Jim.
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I assume the answer is that what's out there on the pole and the connection to the building
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is just in desperate need about they didn't. So we're going to be updating even if we didn't
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replace the system. Okay, if that's true, I could understand that, but I didn't get that feeling
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from a list. If the list included a bigger transformer, and I'm like, why do we need a bigger transformer
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if we're using less electricity? Right, right, less this one is undersized. Exactly, maybe.
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Right, but I would, you know, I would like a little more technical description of what those things are needed.
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If they end up being needed, maybe one of the sudden that they're not needed.
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To, uh, to, after we finish the testing on the internet, but I mean,
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to Ken's point and thinking ahead to sort of how you, you know, you have all of us who learn differently in the audience.
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You know, is there that visual that sort of takes the three and it's like, you know, the green box and the red box like this solution or you know, this proposal does this does this does this doesn't do this doesn't do this.
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Yes, it takes you kind of for all three, you know, the ADA upgrades, you know, whatever whatever those buckets are, but something that sort of less.
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So I'm going to use that as an opportunity to take your input on presentation, that's where I said we're at the meeting.
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I know I'm presenting, but if you have a way of, for a particular way for that, I think, well, I'm just trying to think if there's some or just run something by that, you know, is it sort of quick to that just visually.
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And then you can get all the back up and follow all the links and look into the spreadsheets.
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I'm thinking about the things about the newsletter going out.
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Like how do you sort of succinctly?
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Right.
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So if I'm going to be thinking about that when I do the newsletter right up.
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And I think you and I should work together on what's the best way to present that information.
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Because I like starting with all the details and then whittling it down.
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But I think that might be helpful to you so that you can pick and choose what you think is appropriate.
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But I think that we can try to be creative on having a fresh approach to presenting it.
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Not an approach that's due to us being having been doing this for five years now.
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It just sort of, I tend to think of that sort of,
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what's the big picture overall takeaway
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and then dive into the details?
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Right now.
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Well, for instance, the very high level
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of showing the picture of the decrepit equipment
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and we have to do something about it, right?
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Just like we did with the water maze,
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show the picture of the pipe with, you know,
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there's 90 hole in the middle.
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Yeah.
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I think also, we forget, or we understand the logic between the time 330 versus the geothermal,
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but they might say, why are we doing apples to apples?
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Why are we doing apples to oranges?
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Why are we going to come back in a year's time for years time and providing a little bit
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of that information?
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But this is, we started with just replacing the boiler, so we're giving you that option.
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Because I bet residents are going to, why, why am I looking at 330, you're just, it's
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you're just going to be asking you for an additional money later on. So that explanation I think should come in this as well.
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It's not in this question for residents.
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So we think it's logical, but it needs to have heat through the winter, you know, hand.
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Yeah, I think there was a time critical nature to the heating robust that's not really true for the AC request, but you're kind of right.
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I mean, initially I would, I would have said, oh, we just didn't flesh out the conventional one enough,
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be presenting the full apples to apples version of it. But at this point, it's kind of half.
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You could use some of the three options. We kind of have. And why did we decide to present
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the 330 simple step instead of doing the full apples to apples to mention a thing? I think we did that
[1:30:45]
back in March because we weren't ready for the fall on apples to apples to
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conventional system since that time. I want to finish that time now, but we've got
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pretty accurate on both sides of the equation because we wanted it to be accurate.
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I don't know, people feel about that. I feel like I guess I would
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way I would say it is, I think the 330 option is going to appeal to some voters we think
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$6 million for an HPA system is too damn much and they want to kick the can just so that they
[1:31:30]
force us to try harder to re-evaluate scope and all that. So I think it's probably wise for us to
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continued to do and I mean provide that outlet for the new new new new just say I'll know that's too much
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go back to the drawing board and come up with something else yeah then I think the rationale and then the
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330 gets the library through the winter through you know for the winter and I think the rationale
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I'm not present the three although somebody could stand up and say you know I moved the week
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Scrap all this and do the equally conventional one, is that because there's so close in price.
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With incentives, with incentives, net price.
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Sure, sure.
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That we want the geothermal because it also achieves other town goals of sustainability.
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And I think it also requires less equipment all over the building as well, the historic building, if I remember correctly.
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That's correct.
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Although, you know, the conventional one there going, I mean, the proposal was for something that's pretty unopposed.
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That the library will need to do.
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Maybe I'm thinking of the air source.
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The air source.
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That was going to put things all up.
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That was going to fuck wall units and stuff that the library was not really thrilled about.
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I mean, that's a, I don't know, that stands up.
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But I, that sort of feels like look the rationale.
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It's that there were a big price difference for, you know,
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net 2 million for conventional and 3.7 for geothermal.
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We probably would come back and say,
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You know, which of these three, you know, because then you aren't paying a premium for also trying to tackle our climate goals with them netting out and with with having really kicked the tires on it has seemed to indicate that it really is netting out very close.
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you know it's sort of if different that's how very close yeah after for the
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scrutiny if after for the scrutiny and that's how very close the state and
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all of you yeah yeah that's a ballpark that assuming that they are they're
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really that close that the geothermal also isn't keeping what but with what we
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that demanded of the schools of the community sector, you know, I mean, that's yeah.
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That's probably where that's totally why we went down this path first.
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Right. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But these meet, we did talk about this and this is, we talked about this in prior meetings.
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In terms of presentations at state of the town, but the special town meeting, ensuring that there is a slide for
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there be from the, I guess from the finance committee about upcoming capital projects and their costs.
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there are significant capital projects coming down the road.
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I think that's a requirement whenever we do a large capital
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project.
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That's for mining residents.
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That's coming up, sir.
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And we need to make sure that's updated for whatever everything
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the latest road estimate.
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All fuel roll and the number one.
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Because that's the first one and I think people are actually pretty eager for us to be doing that work.
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No doubt.
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Okay.
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Any other comments on library, HVAC update, we're ready to move on.
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Okay.
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Next thing on our agenda is social media policy.
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What do you want to summarize?
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what are we on with that? I'm shortgened. So I checked in with Peggy and we haven't received any
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additional comments. We had said a deadline, which has come and gone. We have some early
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comments from Janicellon and there was one other, I think, said a comment. So those were the
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beginning of the summer. Yeah, yeah. Those are now reflected in the draft that has your packet.
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So at this point, I think it's any final comments from the board and a vote on whether or not we're going to end up.
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And now to say that some of the additions to this were in response to comments about giving their guidance.
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It's fine to have a policy that says like, hey, do the right thing, but that doesn't really help people when they're based with specific situations.
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I know what I look at a policy. I want to know, is the thing I'm about to do.
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It's following the policy around.
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So it does make this one a little warm.
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And on the other hand, boy, there's some tricky waters navigate with all of this.
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I mean, you said so that I pulled from, I searched for some more towns, examples and I think what I like about the bookline language that I've
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Shane mostly borrowed. Thank you, Urban. Was it it was trying if it was trying to offer
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structure and sort of appeal to common sense. Yeah. Yeah, the only thing I noticed, I like all that.
[1:37:21]
The only thing I noticed is that I did have the comment last meeting or last reading about being more clear
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out.
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A committee member who's authorized to post, doesn't need to get repeat approval to do that for
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previously deliberated content. And if I wondered if you had any words, nothing or
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a tweet to that cause?
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Is it not captured in here?
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It's far.
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Is there a footnote to do it?
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What we didn't do it, right?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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I don't need a big change.
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There's one way.
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Oh, here we are.
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Sorry.
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Yeah.
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Before saying it's on your notes.
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So, for me, doesn't need to remember to share links to existing information.
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A ton of it.
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I mean, that doesn't.
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In other words, so I guess you're trying to get that it's not just, you're not so constrained in the case of previously deliberated match.
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You don't have to go back through formal.
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The first thing is to authorize to post this stuff to be, to be able to use any previously deliberated content.
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So, yeah, say, because deliberated is one thing, decided on voted on a breed as another.
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So, I actually,
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that's why I think, you think this list is, I think this is okay like this,
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because what kind of what we don't want,
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it's so easy to slip into that gray area
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that it was previously to look, you know,
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it's a liberated, but you're giving your spin on it.
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It's very easy.
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Okay, so you are, you are,
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and it's explicitly listing agenda in minutes,
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which is one of the things I was thinking of.
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So there's a minute's policies, you know,
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town department station, council, you know, contact.
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So I'm just looking at that list
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and thinking if there's anything else that I would consider to be.
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Because I don't think we would want to be necessarily like, well, we were talking about this.
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Yeah, topic.
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But we also talk about resolution.
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And we also talk last time about how important is to share the links versus providing commentary
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and kind of wordsmithing your way through and response versus just being like,
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This is how we discuss that this meeting here.
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The links here are the minutes.
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That's a very much right, safer way than it makes the person who's
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designated, probably much more comfortable, recognize that they don't have to.
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Okay, so good.
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Good work.
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It's going to go a little bit into the gray area on that one.
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I think we, it's not unusual for us to have somebody ask about something that
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had a recent meeting for which the minutes have not yet been published.
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And yet
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there was a meeting and there was a discussion and it would be great to be able to talk about that discussion or to
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So I don't know
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Is our position going to me that we cannot point to anything until the minutes are actually published?
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And if so, I would suggest that we try to be quick at publishing minutes.
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I think there's a risk
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is the comment because the questions often come after a meeting
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and we're not always quick to
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get our minutes out. In fact I would say this is work better than a lot of committees at that.
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Some committees are not good at all getting the minutes out of court for you.
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If we're asking
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another committees to follow this policy as well. So I think that's an issue.
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I'm sure how to handle
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's one thing if you say, you know, you know, curious about the library,
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and you know, we could say, discuss the library with the choices are
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and there were no votes taken, you know, the film will be off soon.
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Yes. I mean, that's different from talk about the library and I don't know.
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I think factual, being extremely factual and concise in the response, to your point, if you
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could respond like that and not just point to the minutes, people are happy with that.
[1:42:21]
That works, I just don't, I think we have to make sure we don't, we encourage folks
[1:42:26]
not to provide common hearing that they should, if the minutes, if they're not just
[1:42:30]
to the minutes, then they, we would encourage, and say,
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spatial responses. But it's, it's, I would rather leave it stripped down like this.
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And yeah, and then, you know, at some point, we think too about it, is there any kind of
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trading route? So is there any, well, that's the whole thing, that's
[1:42:53]
question I have done roll out, is this roll-ups, you know,
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is important, and it's the amount of time I said it, we're doing it.
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I guess I agree. I think that we're deleting ourselves if we think this is the final version of
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these of this policy. Right. I mean, right. So why don't we get this from going and try to use it for
[1:43:11]
a year or whatever and see where the friction is. Right. See where the gaps in the
[1:43:18]
policy are. You know, I was thinking now. That what might be helpful in your role
[1:43:27]
as a chair of the select word, is a video.
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So you would have a video rolling,
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because it's supposed to go to all members.
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And so what I was thinking of you
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created a video explaining the social media policy
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and thanking them for their volunteers,
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and I appreciate all your efforts.
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This is the proved social media policy.
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You kind of go through some of the high points of it.
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Video.
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Because it has to go to all members of what do you want to
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on them to then give it to all their members. It would be easier if they just send the link of link of your video,
[1:44:01]
and they'd be like, all right, and if you have any questions, go to jail.
[1:44:07]
Oh, think about it. I'll think about that.
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Because Roland is this crucial as the amount of time he's been creating it. If it doesn't get down
[1:44:14]
to the, you know, the members and then let me let me just mention my reaction quickly, which is
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I think each committee should be discussing this not relying on our discussion of it is their
[1:44:26]
sole source of thinking about it because, in my experience, the different committees really do have
[1:44:32]
different behaviors. Well, they're definitely going to think about it. But I think the initial
[1:44:37]
role out of what it is and what our intentions are and the thought that would end to it is just
[1:44:41]
the starting point. It's an agenda item on all their upcoming meetings to discuss it further and
[1:44:46]
and feed back to us. If we think we didn't catch or something, we need to queue the mind
[1:44:50]
passively for the next religion. Yeah, okay, I agree that some summary of this policy needs to be done
[1:44:59]
because it's a lot.
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We'll take some care. Jim, I'll work with you. We'll come up with a covering email that goes with the policy and it's a high-level high-level school.
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She looks like she wants us dancing and singing.
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Yeah, but I just think she'll meet your parents.
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All right. Well, we'll take that under consideration. Thank you, guys.
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In terms of youthful treatment, Jennifer, do you pretend to remember the 250th video?
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I was in the bunker.
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I was in the bunker. I was in the bunker.
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It's a, you know, it's a huge one.
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It's a huge one.
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Okay.
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So we should make a motion.
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Oh, yeah.
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As the money money conversion move that we adopt the social media policy
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as presented at the second.
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All right.
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Any further discussion on this one.
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Let's go ahead and vote.
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By all right, well, so I should say, I.
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So, um, do we need to be approval from these two, to do a cover, don't do one I can work with and I'll share my laptop on the list.
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Okay, sure.
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Which one?
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Nice.
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Nice.
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Show two.
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Okay.
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I'll arrange a band.
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Okay.
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You're not really going to ask out here.
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All right.
[1:46:26]
Next up, we have, uh, the scubber Lincoln proposal.
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I think this one is you, which I'm for, right?
[1:46:32]
And it's going to take the ball on this one.
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Sure.
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So this is something that I've been thinking about for few years, which is, you know, we don't have as we discussed a huge commercial center, but we do have a commercial center,
[1:46:53]
us some really great institutions in town. And just thinking about, you know, are there
[1:47:02]
ways that we can try to bolster them, introduce people to them, sort of maximize exposure,
[1:47:11]
take advantage of the fact that we are on a train stop that's, you know, just a couple
[1:47:16]
from Cambridge and a couple of stops from points out west to try to promote Lincoln a little bit
[1:47:27]
in terms of getting visitors in and having them enjoy the community and hopefully support our
[1:47:34]
local businesses and nonprofits. So I had a couple of ideas about how to do this. One is this
[1:47:45]
by and from institutions, you know, maybe you get a slight, you buy the past that let's
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you go to all of our, you know, Brooklyn, and the border of the end was sort of wingland
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or two out of three or some such, you know, the slightly discounted rate, and then, you know, maybe
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with some opportunities to have businesses add on, like, come see us and you get the three
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You know, something that just gets people who are here, then to come further into our community.
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And then the set was sort of one version and then the other version is, you know, kind of that scavenger
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or content of like here, here are these 10 places, things that you could do, and this could be
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the residents or visitors, you know, punch or ticket of your virtual ticket, your paper ticket,
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whatever that looks like, in all ways and again, there's some sense of at the end.
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Could you do both? Yeah, I think they're great. I think they're going to appeal to different.
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Yeah, and so I guess what I'm.
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You could do the scavenger hunt using your one, your two day paths or whatever.
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And if you're resident, you know, you already get into places for free, so you don't need that incentive.
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So maybe it's one maybe it's both, and I guess what I'm really asking for this evening is just your permission to go talk to institutions and businesses and say, are you interested?
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You know, or do you have some other idea that you think would help support you and spread the word and just highlight fun things that are going on there?
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I think it's a great idea. I would encourage the discussions with the businesses. I think that
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they might have some ideas about what will work and what will work. So they might be able to
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help us fine tune the idea. It will get some more effective.
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Agreed. That would be the point. It's to come to them not with just a sort of blank slate.
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But like, here is a positive way of solving the problem.
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Yeah, how would you add on?
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How would you what do you need?
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And this, I mean, this comes out of work
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that was a decade or so that former select board members
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have, as I said, started like an economic development
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could be a year, and there was interest.
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I think actually I was still unspoken
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and I attended as a school committee member.
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And there was certainly interest in the, you know,
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from the organizations and the businesses that were in the road.
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And it didn't have the point person to try to get something going.
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So, you know, I thought, well, if I offered to be the point person,
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then we at least start with something small and see if we can get something going.
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I would encourage in terms of where folks can stop and I don't know exactly how I would
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include it.
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I think it's more tough and pierce us.
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We're trying to encourage both to consider it for corporate events, for their special events.
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So I'm kind of...
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Maybe how?
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Can you find it for all of them?
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Yeah.
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Some of them.
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How do we get there?
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That's where they have their lunch, maybe they can send a picture of them eating lunch
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one when it's warmer. Anyway, it's a thought, but I would like to hear
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sounds that you included in someone because I know they're always trying to
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encourage business. On the business side, you have a comment here about payment
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logistics and if you had some kind of past, you would receive the money for that
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past and how will they distribute it to the first fitting business? Yeah,
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and
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office of bots. I mean, there are ways to do this. There are existing programs that do this kind of thing already.
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Okay. And so I think there are different content that you want to add, what you found.
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No, I was very, really research just to get some sense of, just my mind on right there that that
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may be most difficult part of solving this. How do you collect the money and this first set out?
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And a little bit of AI research, and we came up with some different models.
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So it didn't seem overwhelming because I was just simply going to advocate for the lightest way of things.
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We could do for the first try of this because I think we need to see how much traction this has before we start reading.
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We need to go on to machinery.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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It doesn't end up giving you so much.
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Honestly, the scavenger hunt is probably the latest.
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With in terms of figuring out finances.
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Yeah, I'm really talking about business.
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But the revenue sharing.
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But the revenue sharing, that would be a separate.
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So that's why, again, I'm coming to you because I want to go talk to businesses and just
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we don't even say are you interested?
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The thing instead of making people pre-paid for some kind of paths is maybe you simply do
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this a bunch of discounts, right? Like you know for particular weekends or particular
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times when all of our institutions are offering, you know, they go all agreed on whatever.
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Right. So that way, we want to use it. They can all collect their own revenue.
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You don't have to have any fancy accounting structure. There's nothing that's no business to
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So to visit and to North Lincoln business over there, I don't know if Lincoln, I don't know if it's far apart.
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So anything, I'm just trying to think of all our aspects I've laid in.
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Is the dining there open to the public?
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It is.
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Yeah, it's there.
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It's not there.
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Trying to think of all aspects of Lincoln.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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site to just get on the north side.
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Yeah.
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There could be for anyone who's visiting, if you show your MBTA ticket, you know, maybe you get
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a punch on them, which aren't going to be scattered in the hunt.
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You could order to use the bikes, you know, to use the bike share or charge at one of our charging stations.
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I don't know. I think it's, well, I think promoting it. You definitely wouldn't want to highlight the fact that we have
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by chair and we have the organizations. Yeah, and we have a train. Right. So that people feel like it's more accessible
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than they might have thought it was. Right. Really, really so close to having a chamber of commerce.
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Next roll.
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We need to vote on this.
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Sure.
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I'm sure that we authorize Jennifer to approach local businesses on the Lincoln pass idea.
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Let's go.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for that.
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Thank you.
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Good luck.
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Let's go.
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Let's help you get help.
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Oh, don't worry.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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Next on our agenda, we have a big calling and redevelopment for
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So we have all learned of the rezoning plan that was approved by the WALFAM City Council and the past month or so.
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One of the elements of that proposes of next use redevelopment as the former big colony property at the Lincoln WALFAM Town line on along Winner Street and some of the details or you have to come.
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we worked out in the next phase of the application processing wall plan, but what we do know is that
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it includes a proposal for 1200 new units of housing, and we know at this point the result the
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rezoning has been approved, and the next step of the process in wall plan will require that the
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of accompanying data and plans that were attached to the rezoning application, we know that
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those were preliminary in nature. So the final plans will come as part of the special
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improvement application. We are starting here from some Lincoln neighbors. The thrust of those
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comments are, you know, please make sure that time government stays aware informed about the
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Waltham process. And when we have more information that we work to do outreach to the impacted
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neighborhood. My thought for this evening, I'm sure you will have your own onboard with hundreds
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involved because that we start by going on record at least with the city, with the mayor, and with the city council,
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with some basic, and outline of some of the basic concerns that are likely to emerge of like
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and when we have the opportunity to look more deeply at the point. And I think the challenge in our
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comments is we want to tone the acknowledges that we don't have our role in the zoning
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in the city's zoning and land use decisions. However, we've had success with our neighboring
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towns on mitigation over the years and decades. And so we want to be smart about thinking about
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how this project impacts and connects with Lincoln's neighborhoods and roadways, and if there
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are mitigation strategies, traffic, pedestrian safety, and whatever else the professionals
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may come up with that we have an opportunity not only to think about them on our end, but
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an open channel to communicate those effectively to all them.
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So my, my, that's what that's the tone I was intending to accomplish with that draft
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letter that you have to look at. Questions, comments.
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So first, thank you for putting this together and I know that this has sort of been happening
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over the summer. If you have a so residents may or, you know, or probably just getting a
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It's some of this all that they were a couple of articles, I guess I'm going to do.
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I was so chatter on, like I'm talking.
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There was a little bit of chatter on me.
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I think it is totally makes sense to send a letter to all of them,
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with questions and things that we're thinking about.
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I want to make sure that they read it with an open,
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find and don't feel like, oh, they're kicking up the same, you know, concerns that are always kicked
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up in these situations. So I guess I just wanted to,
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there were a couple of places in our
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language where I just want to
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be a little clearer that we have.
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Questions about things and that we just want to first, we just want to make sure that we're working to get there.
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Are you saying you want less detail at this stage? Like not give them all the details of what we might conclude or what we might want to avoid?
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Um, I think higher level discussion or it's on their language.
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Yeah, I think it's maybe you know, what's about detail.
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Um, I don't think it's a matter of higher level versus detail.
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Or that you know, there.
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We know that the question of finding ways to create housing is, you know,
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everywhere in the conversation. And obviously, they have a solution that they've been discussing
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for a long time that is redeveloping a currently developed site. It's not will be, you know,
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new land. And so I guess I just want to make sure that we're sensitive to the fact that they have spent a long time
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trying to find a creative solution. And our role is to make sure that if there are impacts from that that we're
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that we're talking about what that means for our pedestrians and our cyclists and our certain
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intersections. So it's really just a matter of walking that line of, this is their zoning,
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we understand what they're trying to do. And you're near the Cambridge Reservoir, these are sensitive
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areas and this is in an area with a lot of public transportation door pathways or bike lanes or things
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that can help protect people.
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So how do we make sure that we're keeping that conversation
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opens to work?
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Do you want to send some suggested edits to Tim?
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Or us to discuss next time?
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I think next time.
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Do is that too late?
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Is that too late?
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Do we have to get something out quickly?
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What do you think the timeline is on this Tim?
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I think.
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I think it can wait until the 20th trip.
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I don't think anything's going to move that quickly in Waltham.
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I'm more concerned about wanting to get something like this out to our neighborhoods so
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that they know and run.
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I do want that too.
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Right.
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And I mean, certainly if it comes up or if you get asked or we get asked, I think.
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To our discussion earlier, we can say we're working on the letter.
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we understand, we understand the questions you have and we're working on a letter and do a little
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finalized. Can we give you, I appreciate this letter and I can understand your concerns that we are trying
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to collaborate with Wolf and obviously I appreciate that they're looking to reuse a site that's
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basically vacant, that office park. So I completely understand and respect the fact that they're
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to look for housing there. Not a bad idea. And then it's on our border and so traffic considerations
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coming through. We all, we have a heat map in the track, just tissue coalition world,
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where we can see where our accidents are and the accidents at Old County and Trepello is red hot.
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Like in that accident we have now and the amount of traffic goes through and if we had an increase you
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down some language if you have some suggestions and I would but I'd like the mayor I like the content
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of this and I like that that would be kind of to the different areas that were concerned about
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obviously conservation and the Cambridge Reservoir but if you want to work with TAM on and help
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and I'm mitigating the language and I'm just I think I would vote to allow Jennifer to do that
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with TAM that he's over to do it and we'll go from there where she came back to September 20.
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not feeding to go back. Yeah. And so authorizing them to finalize the draft.
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I would be comfortable with that. And I mean, so that piece of information is actually
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really interesting. And I don't know if that's worth, you know, we do have that kind of
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heat map information like we know that this could touch on some areas that are already
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or challenging for us. So I was really, really appreciate. Because I think that kind of
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So yeah, I guess, yeah, it wasn't clear to me what that was about and how we can write it so that it's short so that it makes that clear because I think that's super used to be able to say like we're not just sort of, you know,
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of them later, not that Gualtam is going to immediately do anything in the next two weeks, but I
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think residents are starting to become aware of this and want to know that we're on it.
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Exactly. We are on it. So let's get it out. We'll do that. If you have a word version,
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I'll send it. Jennifer. Yep. Thank you. All right, so we take a formal vote on that. Yeah, it's probably true. I moved that we offer us Jennifer to work with Tim to finalize the draft on this letter to fall.
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Second.
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for the discussion.
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Pardon.
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Was that?
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Of course.
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Thank you.
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Next up.
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So what can I work it on?
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Working on it.
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Working on the last for the pictures.
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I don't think I have any recent pictures.
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Yeah.
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They need these.
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Well, so I think, so.
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Maggie has the excellent suggestion of creating a color version of the postcard that could
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posted on the television when page. And so it is. So I think those images would get shows the front
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back in the postcard and that would probably be good to put in there. If you want.
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Katie, could you send me those images if you would mind please?
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Well, too.
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Thank you. Um, and then what are you thinking of? Yes, out.
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Be days, concentration. I mean, I know we've put them out, but just like little reminders.
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No, I definitely before then. I'm not. I don't want to draw anything on a Friday.
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So I was thinking that maybe like this Monday morning at 1.15. So they're getting it early next week.
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Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't want to do any of these. I've like kind of doing it.
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I don't know what life. So I work on this.
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I want to do a video.
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Yeah, so I will work up as today, Miguel Gichubez, a puppy, and I'm not too far off that
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stuff going on, but Saturday, if you guys don't mind looking at it a little weekend, and
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finalizing it, then I said, one day morning, I can send it out.
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As long as we're on that, let me remind you all that I'm away the next two weeks, and I will have
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Um, Internet access, sporadically, 30, 30 years. So, tonight, let's tomorrow night, tomorrow night.
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Oh, so it's going to be a main point.
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You said it to me and maybe all the time.
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Don't wait.
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Okay. Okay.
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All right.
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On these things.
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Okay.
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I was going to ask somebody to share the meeting on the 21st, but I guess we don't need that anymore.
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Right.
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So they're delighted about that.
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Kim, there might be a couple of links kind of on state news that might not be better to believe.
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Do you understand anything?
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I'll send them so first in our talk about them in the ASL.
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Okay, speaking on the ASP.
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Are you ready?
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Let's do it.
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Who wants to start?
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So, just as an interesting point of information, and we currently have 254 subscribers
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until select FNAQ, we have 347 on behalf of it, and again, with your permission, I'd like to
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reach out to the reports and communities and organizations and say, by the way, and select
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it for both, right?
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for both. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because there are some new members that just don't join
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being packed and I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to get back out to board activities and also
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the Institutions of Suss-Pallivers, we've connected. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So excellent. That's that.
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I had a mass municipal association board meeting earlier this week and a couple of students from
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that for the first two months of this both 27,
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the state revenue is higher than last year,
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if I almost 14%, so I've lots of qualifiers
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about their life months, and so on and so forth.
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They were about to set each year,
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they have a agreed upon,
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between the governor and the legislature,
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the agreed upon benchmarks,
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that they hope to hit throughout the year
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to know whether or not they're staying on track.
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So those are about to come out, so I don't know how the first two months will fit into that,
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but it's certainly on a state level better news than not to have it move first couple of months.
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The Protect Act was signed into law, which is the aimed at keeping ice out of sensitive areas such as schools and healthcare.
[2:10:11]
facilities and it's in effect and school committees are required to develop policies.
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So the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education came out with guidelines,
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schools like two and a half minutes before they opened their doors,
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which is I think a little stressful for the school community.
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At least that's when I was hearing at the state level,
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would not be surprised if it was locally as well. But the rules are in place, but there's
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a post, and there are, I think, sort of, samples of these, and guidance that is coming out,
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but they have to develop emergency action plans, so and so forth. So, you know, it may be a topic
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that our school maybe is on. As one of the laws that would pass, there's a new foundation budget
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the review task force that is looking at how a school funding is structured. So that is, I think
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it's been a while since that was done. So this is, I don't know how long this small
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after when they're supposed to be very report, but this is just getting going. And it's to,
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and that obviously we'll have implications down the road for what that means for a municipal budget
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in terms of, you know, what do districts get and how are they supported by the state?
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So it's just something to pay attention to properly in the next couple of years.
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And then there are a lot of big bills that are still in conference committee, such as the
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mass ready bill, which is the economic development bill.
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There are, yeah, it's in conference, so there's a Senate version, there's a house version,
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and they're trying to hash it out as, you know, one example in the Senate version, there's
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$500 million for the Disciple of Vulnerability Preparedness Program, and the House S315.
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So, there's a pretty big app between those two, and it also touched some of the items
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problem being useful in power and act into the second, I would like to build a deal such
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as permanent authorization of remote meetings.
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So the timing, no one, no one's crystal ball was very clear in terms of when this all
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might take out, because we've got elections that November, so they want to get it done before
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than or after then to the tournament.
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So, anyway, I'll have another one.
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Three, thank you, John Burnton.
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How much you?
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Oh, I think I'll mention,
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and I don't think I think it was last time.
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I think it was the bicycle pedestrian advisory committee,
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but I don't know if you can miss John Reynolds
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and Bob Wolff rolled off after they were in normal members.
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So they've been on for 10 plus years,
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and James Craig joined the last B-PAC call,
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But when initiated, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisor can be and the prior feedback committee and thanking them for their many years of service on the committee.
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So there's a very nice transition. They have their two new members Bob Hooverstein and Ethan Healy on Beepack, but it was a very nice end off her John and Bach, who's best in her dog and and Beepack have its seats at tables that they never had.
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Tim and I know this will work with the BECAC folks who are just tremendous advocates for the
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bicycle pedestrian community. So, well done to John and Bob and joined their retirement.
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Easy to involve. Cooperstein, well done.
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Great. Thank you. On my side, I'm not a whole lot of new families still working on
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turn to evaluate whether we should be pushing for batteries at the community center. So that's
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still a technical and legal and contractual question that's ongoing and we'll have another meeting
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on that tomorrow. So stay tuned for more details about that. But the good news is that we are
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going to apply to this, develop, and program for grants for these battery projects and the
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feedback from the state is that they really want Lincoln to apply that were one of the early
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people doing this and they want us to propose, they're okay with us proposing a couple of
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So that's in progress.
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That's it for me.
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That's stuff we haven't.
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Talk about already. Shall we move on to Lieutenant Administrator's report 10? Will listen on landfill solar project update?
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Well, now I'm seeing the birth of the baby health. I'll say six consecutive meeting.
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I think we need a little induction here.
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So with Beth writing heard, his continuing to chip away at the punch list on the items.
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I listed some of those punchless items in my report for you.
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I did pass Beth whether she thought it was reasonable to think that they might complete that punchless by the end of the month.
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And she said she did think it was achievable.
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So again, to be safe, I would say certainly this month or next month, the system should go online.
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And when we get to you on that, one of the things that we're looking forward to,
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certainly brings some ideas back to you all, is thinking about some ways to do a public education,
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piece one of the project is done and functioning, and what are its environmental attributes,
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and how is the town benefiting from those? I'm really going to throw out another pitch for getting
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some kind of dashboard for all of our projects, for all of our solar projects, for each of our solar
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projects and I told Dan this as well. I know that it's a little bit of a hurdle to try to get one
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thing that aggregates everything. Yeah, let's not go for that right away. Let's just go for individual
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dashboards for each project, which the various developers should be able to provide without
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doing any heavy lifting. Yeah. Yep. But I get requests for that. Yeah. Every week,
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practically. Yep. I will.
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Which that again will be best.
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Somebody brought it so we can manage to check to the three.
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You've been deciding with the school.
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Well, if we have a page that just had the links to three
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different places like that, right?
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I think if I were going to let a select connect article about the landfill
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sold that I don't know.
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And a few, six sentences, how do residents see the benefits of the landfills of a project?
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Well, I think it's a very efficient repurposing of a site that, you know, with a landfills site.
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So I think that's an immediate benefit.
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The environmental benefits, I think, are significant.
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We can give you the date on environmental benefits.
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And then there's financial benefits, there's three different forms of revenue.
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I'd also add to that that we have a new path link, the Mill Street connection, but eventually
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to dead for the road, you know, we've faced one of that done, did I miss any of them, Jim?
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That's good.
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What are the financial flows?
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Is the lease payment, there's the price?
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There's a pilot, a payment and more tax payment, and then the PVA, the lease payment
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than the PPA projected savings. And I can get you the information. I don't recall each of those numbers off the top.
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It was just you got a lower budget number for.
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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I'll be up that too.
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Hi, let's have a look. There have been a series of listening sessions around the state in person and virtually about
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I let in general, is that anything that suits us to us?
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It is, so we get money on the cherished sheet annually
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for the hands of the mass-forward property,
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effectively, in the fact that it's non-taxable.
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And so we do pay attention when that's being debated
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in the legislature, and typically
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send a quick email to our legislators
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reminding them of the importance to Lincoln.
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So I think there's a virtual listening session on either October 5th or 6, but ones that
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none of the in-person ones are all that close, so I don't know if we have anything we
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wouldn't want to say or we'd want to hear what other people are saying, but I'll see Jennifer
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if either Colleen or I can sit in on that.
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It's probably, I'm sure it's come to your email, but it did.
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Yeah, it did.
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Anything else on nothing for me on the landfill?
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I think it's a very regional agreement.
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The board knows that there was a set aside item.
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That was to be addressed to an MOU.
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Having to do with the respective election procedures in the two towns.
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rather than hold up the vote and town meeting,
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we agreed to work on that in the form of the MOU.
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We, my counterpart and I organized a working group,
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who's now had two meetings,
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town council, now has all of the information
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that she needs from the two communities,
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and she's going to draft up an MOU.
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Can I expect to have that in October,
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to bring to you all?
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And the U. All is a link instead of a regional agreement subcommittee that we set up for the advising. We have a protocol document. If you remember that we are working on to establish the how to do this again and how many years or
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And so we're just going to approve both Tim's MOU and the protocol document that final meeting. I guess not to the great.
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roadway projects, really nothing to report good progress on all fronts. Everything is coming
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forward on schedule. Bedford will drainage done, water main phase, one done, water
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main phase two, moving more quickly. We talked about the data for our meeting where the
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contractor is now hoping to be able to wrap the water main phase two up by the end of the
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If you remember there was some conversation of having to laugh over into
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27 and breaking it down into two construction seasons, and it doesn't look like that's going to be necessary.
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So the one item that's yet to be scheduled is getting under the tracks.
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So we've got to figure that piece out.
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We don't have a commitment yet about the timing of that happening,
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but that's all coming together as we had hoped.
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Ballfield Road improvements were on schedule to have consensus among all the stakeholders about the plan,
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so that it can come back to the board with a recommendation to go to the capital planning committee.
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In the meantime, we have a placeholder in the five-year capital plan for that project.
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Any questions on those projects?
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So I didn't mention it, but I should, so...
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We're making progress on the time-waring pavement study. The vehicle collected the data. It took a little
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longer than the engineer had hoped to get that data in a usable form, but we now have it and John
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Vancouver and his team are looking at the data and they're doing scenario development.
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And
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is what's the total cost of getting the townwide system from the level that's
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at now to what the desired level will be and we are not making any assumptions
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about what the town leadership of the resident bowl will be that will be a big
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part of the conversation where you want to set that target for maintenance over time
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but the baseline assumption is how much would it cost if you did it all in
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year one. And so then we'll look at if we front will the investment to try to get closer to that
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objective sooner and try to stay ahead of inflation, what would that scenario look like? And if
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we get feedback from Capcom and Fincom and the board that tax impacts or affecting our desire
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to try to push that forward, what if we spread that investment out of all the time? So we'll look
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that we'll look at that, and we'll also look at, once we do get an investment strategy that allows us to meet that maintenance objective, what will it cost annually to stay at that level?
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Make sure that we're not letting the world slip over time. So there'll be lots of conversation.
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And we are, I am certainly having been through something like this before.
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I'm not a swimming swimming sport process, I'm just going to be a lot of public interest,
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and a lot of board, the boards and committees don't want to have input to come to such
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it.
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Put a question on that though.
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We haven't seen the data.
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I don't know if you've seen the data.
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So, saying what most of our roads are at 2 and 3, and our goals, to get a close to 4 and
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We'll be given a number in the next month or so to get to four or five and will that number be included in that capital slide that we're going to show for the HVAP at the special time meeting because we're actually now going to have data and possibly better numbers versus I think we've been like 20 million was a place over there something but we might actually have a better idea of what that number's going to have to be.
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Could that possibly be more informed for the contract?
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Potentially can, yeah.
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I mean, I'll share with you as we get the information be careful.
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But yeah, you need to ask questions about that number
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before you start publishing out to people,
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because when you get a number out to people,
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they start laughing in their minds.
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Well, we're going to get a number out to people,
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but it's going to be really not based on anything.
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It's kind of like our, like, I'm guessing it to be honest.
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Well, what we did for the police over your remember is we took almost 20 years ago that we did the downwind at six million
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eschip I recall and we just inflated that number, but that was really really wrong to be
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lost.
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One of the things, I mean, actually you all, I think appreciate the challenge and I'd say even
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enjoy kind of the back and forth about what the emphasis should be.
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So when we did the last program, the focus was on the main roads in town, and I'm not going
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to say we ignored the secondaries in the neighborhood roads, but we didn't give them
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a lot of attention, and we can't do that.
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I mean, there's some roads in town in the neighborhood roads that need significant attention.
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So there's going to be some real conversation about where it does a elected leadership
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on a focus investment.
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Yeah, I think we are going to discuss, again, whether they should get the same get to the same standard or not, right?
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Because I, my personal opinion is that we're probably not going to be able to afford out the secondary roads be at the same standard as the primary roads.
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And again, this is an inch of this is getting into that level, and then a larger conversation about maintenance.
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Right.
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How do you keep it, how do you say that?
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Right.
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right. And do you do this kind of sick with all that I think? Or do you try to
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smooth it out with it? Yeah, concrete I think I mentioned to you we
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wouldn't want to spend the better part of the day and concrete.
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I've heard about how they tackled this. So there's a lot of lessons
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learned and John Vancouver is on contract to conquer for that project.
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So we'll get some insights there. So you'll have that data in time to submit.
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an application we hope in time to submit an application to one, an update to capital
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flame.
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I just want to know if anyone saw the card.
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Did you get reports of that?
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I don't know.
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Did you get a picture of it?
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No, not that you've been.
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I know.
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Never saw it.
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It's very disappointing.
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Get a night.
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And then, very briefly, select board policy manual.
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Thank you, Jennifer, and we'll come in who is a Lincoln resident, Ellis graduate, matriculating
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sophomore, UMass, change was did in public policy, really enjoyed having well in the offices
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in intern.
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And he did a lot of the research looking at how other towns of the select boards are organizing
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they are policy manuals. This is something that's been on the list literally for 30 years and you
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just never able to codify everything. So no decision for the board to make tonight, not really
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looking for any feedback. But you saw that we put some of the introductory chapters, the drafts and
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the packet, to give you a sense of what the scope is going to be. And at Jennifer's suggestion,
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I was grateful for it, the introductory section is going to include sort of a roadmap as to
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how town government works on Lincoln, which is the prelude to the policy movement. So Jennifer
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and I will be back, I'm sure more than once as the project proceeds. Community side are building
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use policy,
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so with the and Kim you can correct me if I'm a state and I think the latest
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projected opening for the Community Center is February timeframe. I have a number 16.
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Okay. We haven't got the update, but we know that there was concern that there was going to be
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pushed because there run rate on spend did not seem like a December open date. So you might have
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to be information in the committee? Yeah and so in anticipation of that at a staff level what we've
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been doing that number of meetings is trying to come up with a set of regulations and policies
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for the building that make it as accommodating a place as it can be to different
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town for individuals and
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Organizations, and trying to do it in a way that aligns to the sense that it makes sense with the
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be-most policies and the school policies. And so we're hoping that we will have a good solid draft to bring back.
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It's going to start with CCBC. So CCBC is going to get a suggested draft probably in the next couple of weeks
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can and then we'll get some comments back and hope to be able to have a conversation with the
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select board in October. So that we're ahead of the open. And you're with this so much excitement
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and enthusiasm about the building. We want to make sure that this is not over the bureaucratic.
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As the last thing I want to do is have my name on a set of policies that make it difficult for
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people to use the building. So we're having some lively conversations that you might imagine about
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whether school approaches to things are well-suited to what we're trying to do with the community
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center, what being us all. But the emphasis really wants to be on simplicity of use of the building
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and making it available in a fair way to all of the groups who want to use the building. So we're
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We're going to make sure that we get a lot of important CCBC, COA, PRAD, all the key stakeholder
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groups and then bring that back to the board.
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Another aspect of the community center, but this is kind of more broad, is Dan has been
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spearheading an effort to create a campus alcohol policy because you now have the potential
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to have events both in the community center.
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And we were creating a very small exception
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for a nonprofit to have an event on the athletic fields,
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probably in the back.
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An event that had a large nonprofit of family and talent
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had an event here in peer-south,
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but they always like October date.
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October dates are very busy for peer-souths,
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revenue, generating a possible event versus non-profit event.
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So, possibly moving it to the campus.
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So, this is right now just being discussed
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by the school committee, who, obviously right now,
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and in perpetuity, there's no alcohol
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allowed in a school app.
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Now, we've never changed.
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And that would just be actually created as a public policy.
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But creating policy in a specifically for the community center
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and the guidelines around what that would look like
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for the community center and then create this narrow exception
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for possibly having that non-profit,
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special permitted, all of the gates
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that you would have to planer to have been on this,
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I'd like to feel so with that.
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So that's at school committee.
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I don't know what other than a rule or what the thoughts are
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on that, but they're just especially
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and I believe tonight for the first time.
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That would be non-profit or if it weren't down event,
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sort of just because. Yeah, can you just have a special permit you have to
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and license people. Yeah, it's very, very extensive, very extensive.
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But we just know at this point there is an event that doesn't really have a
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home that we would like to continue to see here in Lincoln, because I like to
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book a year in advance and we just I think of your house as this
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reticent to do that knowing how busy those weekends are or not to over. So that is
[2:33:36]
coming up, but that is, I believe that's the score to me, and I'm leaving.
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All right, anything else on the community center use policy?
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Nope.
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Let's move on.
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Next thing on the agenda is public participation.
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So this is a chance for those of you on screen.
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There's nobody else in the room, but on screen does anybody have a public comment that they would like to make?
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If so, please raise your virtual hand that we will unmute you.
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Anybody,
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I see no hands, let's continue.
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On to our action item, the section of the meeting.
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First, we already voted on the property tax rates.
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We already voted on the Energy Choice Program.
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We already voted on social media policy.
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So, the first one that we haven't acted on yet is the sorry already voted on Discover Lincoln.
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When we hadn't done is the Historic Preservation Agreement for 32 to Howard Road.
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Tim would you like to set that up for us? Sure.
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So, the Historic Commission has been working with the owners of 32 to Howard Road.
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They've done a terrific job if you have a chance to look at the document in confirming the
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historic value of the property, the historic lineage of the property,
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and ironed out, like
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as you may know, we'll be back up a little bit, preservation agreements on voluntary.
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And so it requires really sensitive and intricate work with the homeowner and the historic
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commission has accomplished that.
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We now have an execution copy of the agreement that the owners are happy with, but the historic
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historical commission is happy with, and that town council has reviewed and approved
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a great back and forth between Andrew on VF, the historical commission and town council
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shorting out from details that allowed the town to accommodate the sellers'
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skit for wanting to sell them appropriately.
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Can I interject to this point and ask your question about KP laws letter?
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Yeah, I'm going to take on this.
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They said, I know that the properties currently subject to a mortgage, as you know,
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of the mortgage e does not expressly consent to this agreement and subordinate to the agreement
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for closure of the mortgage will terminate this agreement.
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So that part of it, I think I understand and I don't think that's a big deal for us, right?
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That basically means we don't get the conservation thing, but that's, you know, we didn't
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have it before, right?
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The next one, I don't understand and would love some explanation or some assurance that
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not a big deal. While I understand the property is to be conveyed soon, note that the town
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assumes the risk of foreclosure if the sale does not go through, and the consent is not obtained.
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What does that mean? What risk do we have? So I think actually that I believe that
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in us with sign today. Okay. Okay. That's it. We're signed again then it's all.
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So that's a no loop point point. Okay. Great.
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And my understanding is that notarized copies are required for this.
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Okay, so we can do it
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again.
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I have already been contacted about signing something for Andrew after it's done.
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We're going to
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need you to tower record.
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Second.
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And a further discussion.
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Let's do a roll call vote.
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But you're on.
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Go outside.
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First and so on.
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And are we executing now?
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Yes.
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There's the shared signature only.
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The power.
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It don't.
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Next.
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Next.
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Our agenda.
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We have prior action items.
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That we're doing in prior action.
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We're doing a chase.
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Everything done.
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We want a couple of items or in-process.
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Great.
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I'm heart consentless tonight.
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Did Peggy do everybody comment on the August 25 minutes?
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It believes so, yes.
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Okay, great.
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So our consent list is minutes of August 25th, warrants for the 8th of September.
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And is the confirmed meeting schedule set really part of the consent list?
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I can take it off a few.
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perform. I think it's okay. I just do that. You may have any problems with it.
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So you can accept all of it and I'm going to leave. Okay. I'm going to leave from a proof
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it can set list as as as as get a second. A discussion. Let's do a vote.
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Bye, everyone. Bye, aside. Questions of I. And then finally, we had some correspondence from various
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people keep you all on zoning back changes and VTA advisory board update, a metropolitan planning
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organization election process, codman farms, restructuring, metropolitan planning, organization
[2:39:47]
nomination process and hands-confield advisory committee suggested ICE protocols. Did anybody
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want to talk about any of those items? The only thing I'll mention is the KPM law that was hosted
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by the planning board, Kudos to Jennifer Parker who gave us a heads-up about it, who then
[2:40:06]
let us know when the minutes were out, and then she let us know when the video I couldn't
[2:40:10]
make it live, but I was able to watch it days later, and it's helpful for her to let me know
[2:40:16]
when the video was available. So I appreciate it that kind of really, really good presentation
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I can't keep you locked.
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Very good watch.
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Right.
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Any other comments about any of the correspondence?
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No.
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Yes.
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Great.
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I would entertain a motion draw.
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Is there any other business?
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Yes.
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I have something.
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All right.
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So,
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the chair of the Lincoln Cultural Council has
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has four new appointees, they would like to get approved tonight if that would be possible.
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I can run down who they are and first one is Cheryl Rogers, she will be finishing her term
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would be two years which is left on the seat that she'll be taking. Sally Kindleberger, who is
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who will be finishing two years left of former chair, Meg Ramsay's seat, who had to step off
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to time constraints on the charge and Shah Carson, who is finishing two years left of
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Chris Lotion's term who also had to step down due to being on too long for their charge and Tom Flint, who will be filling a three year term for a seat spend long bacon and that's it.
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I thought I knew of another person who applied to be one, was a duty.
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No, but so I guess my question is were there more applicants than positions?
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They can have up from five to 22 members, and right now they're at 12,
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so I know that there's another person that
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Solana wanted to speak with, and the four that are proposed tonight, they've already
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spoken with her and have participated in meetings, etc. So they wanted to go ahead and get
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them on the council. There will be more. She's she's really going to town on advertising.
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All right. All right, you'll make a motion.
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Then we approve Cheryl Rogers, Sally Hingelberger,
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Shaw Carson and Tom Flint as new members of Lincoln Cultural Council.
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At point.
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Pointed as members of Lincoln Cultural Council.
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Need discretion.
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The vote.
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background.
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Last slide.
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Thanks.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, baby. Anything else?
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That's it for me.
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rate all of entertainment motions we've turned now.
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Thank you.
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Any discussion?
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Let's vote?
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I'm Ryan.
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Last time.
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Question some aye.
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Thank you all.
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All right.
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Good night everybody.
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Aye.
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Thank you, Scott.
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Please come around.
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Well.