[0:00] 7 o'clock.

[0:05] » Got it. >> Is Mike showing up?

[0:10] » No. >> Uh no.

[0:12] » Make a motion for Jonathan to sit in. >> Yep.

[0:16] » I'll second. >> Second. Those in favor sign by saying I.

[0:19] » I. >> Opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries

[0:22] unanimously. >> Okay. Um, we're here tonight to discuss

[0:27] the general government budget, the board of education budget.

[0:31] » I don't have it. >> Um, and the capital requests for the

[0:35] board of education. Um, we don't need to make a decision

[0:40] tonight, but I'd like to have some kind of general idea at least on um where

[0:47] we're heading so that um I can give as much information to the public uh next

[0:53] week as possible. for the public hearing.

[0:57] » Has anything changed on the capital gain uh capital improvements? Is that list of

[1:02] things? >> No, we have to decide what we're going

[1:05] to do on that. And also >> I just want to get some

[1:08] » we I know the last two meetings we weren't able to ask just things got

[1:12] crazy. Uh questions on either the selectman's budget or the

[1:16] » Absolutely. >> Is tonight a good night to do that?

[1:19] » Absolutely. >> Do you want to make a motion to do that

[1:21] first? >> We want a motion to do that. You don't

[1:23] need a motion. You can just ask questions.

[1:25] » Okay. >> Go ahead.

[1:28] » Oh, me first. Okay. >> Hey, for the school board, I got a

[1:31] couple of questions as far as your budget goes. Uh there's a couple

[1:34] different figures in there. Uh the first one's under capital improvement

[1:39] you have. How many black popping projects do you have going on? One or

[1:44] two? One. >> One. All right. We got a Connecticut

[1:48] steel pulling was one of them. And that came in at 165. Okay. And

[1:57] you're budgeted under capital improvements for 135 for the price of

[2:02] another SIL coding on this chart you gave us here for Lisbon Board of

[2:06] Education budget drivers. And here

[2:10] there's one in here that says capital improvements up to 450%

[2:14] due mainly to extensible repair of HVAC yada yada yada and also seal coating the

[2:20] parking lot for 135. Is that right?

[2:26] quot but also if I if I can speak um I believe the total increase was 13 I

[2:32] thought but the seal co project in our budget is only $10,000 because um what

[2:38] we're thinking is if the town can't fund the full project that we put in the

[2:43] capital in the capital uh improvement request we would do the best we

[2:48] absolutely could with $10,000 to at least get the parking lot line um you

[2:51] can't see the parking lot spaces up at the school so um we reduced in our

[2:56] budget in the event that it doesn't go through this budget because something

[2:59] has to just happen for next year, >> right? But you have for capital

[3:04] improvements, you you went from 3,000 up to 165 to 135. Was that 135 cover the

[3:12] driveway we're talking about plus whatever

[3:14] » that might be the variance in yearoveryear? I don't have it in front

[3:18] of me, but if they if they budgeted you said 3,000 last year,

[3:21] » right now, why? Well, that would be the variance,

[3:26] right? Yeah. Why? >> Yeah. So, so last year we only had

[3:29] $3,000 to paint one classroom. This year we're budgeting for that one account

[3:33] with 16,500. >> So, 3,000 was to paint the classroom.

[3:38] 3500 was to flash the roof and 10,000 for the parking lot. That's the 16,500.

[3:45] So, you're telling me that if we

[3:51] if we funded the parking lot under the capital,

[3:55] then you have an additional $10,000 that you don't need in your budget.

[3:59] » Correct. >> That's correct. You said that.

[4:01] » Okay. Okay. Uh the other question I had here was also

[4:07] uh a replacement of a hot water heater that requires replacement and for that

[4:12] and the fans and some other things that came up to 187 that I think we got a

[4:17] quote of just under 10 grand for the hot water heater.

[4:21] » Yes. >> Right. That's a onetime deal, right?

[4:23] » Yes. Correct. >> Why can't we move that to capital

[4:26] improvements? >> Otherwise, you guys keep it. You're just

[4:29] going to use it over and over and over again.

[4:32] So it isn't it's not in our board of education budget. It's only

[4:35] » this is on the capital gain >> okay

[4:40] that question is not >> I got a question for you.

[4:45] » What's the reason for the business manager getting a 16% raise?

[4:50] » So I'll explain. So we hired uh Jonathan, our business manager. He's the

[4:56] third business manager we've had in the last three years. He came in with little

[5:01] experience uh as a business manager in a public school. We evaluated him for a

[5:06] year. Uh it's a shortage area in the state. The board voted uh to

[5:13] keep him. He agreed for a three-year contract and we would give him a $10,000

[5:17] raise. >> $10,000 raise, but he's got 15 1485.

[5:22] That's what I'm asking. He got the administrative raise on top of the

[5:25] $10,000 >> and the administr the administrative

[5:28] raise brought it up $1,800. >> He brought it up Well, he So,

[5:33] » the deal was he was supposed to sign a three-year contract for $10,000.

[5:37] » That's what I brought to the board. The board decided that they wanted to make

[5:41] it $12,500. >> The board

[5:43] » The board the majority of the people on the board,

[5:46] » okay, >> decided they want to make it 12,500.

[5:49] » Okay. >> And then you got the 3.25 administrative

[5:52] raise. Everybody everybody else got >> true

[5:55] » on top of that. >> Okay.

[5:56] » So on top >> so he's still getting paid less than

[5:58] most business managers and he does a phenomenal job.

[6:01] » And how many people do you have in the business department now?

[6:04] » Uh three total people but with an FTE of 1.5. We have a 02 payroll person a.3

[6:11] AP person and then I'm a 1.0. >> And how do you do you have pay a person

[6:16] that comes in and does the audit? >> No.

[6:18] » No. >> No.

[6:19] » Well, not sure. Well, we pay for the audit.

[6:23] » Oh, we we pay the audit, but we don't That's what I'm asking. That's his

[6:27] question. >> You don't have pay for the audit just

[6:29] like the town pays for the audit. >> Yeah. But you don't have an internal

[6:31] auditor, but they still pay out. >> We we Yeah. On the King and King audit.

[6:37] » Yeah. They have to pay their percentage. >> Yeah, we pay. So, that's the reason why

[6:40] the business manager operations staff got a 16 12% bump, too.

[6:47] » What's the reason? Right here it says business manager operations

[6:53] staff. You're telling me it's only two people. They got a 16.45

[7:00] bump and increase of $4,100. >> Yeah, I have it right here.

[7:05] » Yeah, >> I'm talking about whoever. I I

[7:09] so our our eight So Kathy Evans who's one of our employees, she is a business

[7:14] a she does AP for the business office. She's also uh the superintendent's

[7:17] administrative assistant. Um this year while the board of ed was reviewing

[7:22] contracts and while they looked at her contract, she uh her salary wasn't sort

[7:26] of commensurate with her job duties and the meui um secretaries, other

[7:31] administrative secretaries that live within that union. So the board had also

[7:34] voted to uh bring her salary up. >> So that's that's what accounted for um

[7:39] that that increase. >> Okay. That's just for one person. Yes,

[7:43] there are well there in that line in that one account code the total account

[7:47] code that's $29,126 >> that's two people uh it's an FTE of

[7:53] just.5 um there's two people in there that one

[7:56] of the other people there received the 3.25% 25% annual raise,

[8:00] » but just I just want to make sure you >> No, I I understand. I'm just trying to

[8:03] figure out that's split between two people.

[8:06] » Yeah. So, yeah. So, Katherine received that.

[8:09] » Yeah. >> Agreed upon raise and then the other

[8:11] individual received the standard raise. >> Okay.

[8:18] And the other thing I have a question about is this so-called free breakfast

[8:21] program you guys got in place for 55,000. From what I understand up in

[8:27] Harford now, there's a bill on the table for 12.5 million.

[8:30] » Correct. >> And I asked a question last week, was it

[8:33] last week or two weeks ago? I don't remember anymore about if we do get

[8:38] reimbured some because we do have a program in place now. Correct.

[8:42] » You was free and reduced. Yes. >> That's great. Great program. I'm all for

[8:46] it. But my thing is you guys are asking for 89 I don't know $850,000 increase

[8:52] and you're throwing in another $55,000. that could be funded by the state at

[8:56] some time. >> Correct.

[8:57] » And we give you that money for that program. Now, there's no reason why you

[9:01] give it back to us. You're going to spend it somewhere else.

[9:04] » Well, yeah. >> Not you.

[9:05] » It becomes part of >> it becomes part of the

[9:08] » Well, it will be part if you voted in. >> Yeah. Exactly. Part part of forever,

[9:11] » right? >> Correct.

[9:12] » Yeah. >> Okay. But

[9:15] I just um you did ask about the reimbursement rate. Uh I did provide it

[9:20] two weeks ago, but um we do get a re reimbursement from the state cuz

[9:25] expenses that are in the program now. >> Well, I mean for that free breakfast

[9:28] like the expenses are closer to $100,000. So we took the reimbursement

[9:32] rate >> just to lower I just want to explain

[9:34] because I think Wayne had asked about >> right and I I have no problem. My

[9:37] question is another $55,000 fee. >> Yes.

[9:41] » Yeah. Okay. >> That's all I have for the board right

[9:45] now. question just so I'm clear. So when you

[9:51] gave the finance manager the raise, you gave him a market adjustment.

[9:56] » Yes. >> And then three and a half on top of

[9:58] that. >> Yes.

[10:00] » Okay. On top of the market adjustment. >> Yes.

[10:03] » Do you know how hard it is to find a business manager in the state of

[10:05] Connecticut? >> Yeah, I do.

[10:07] » Very very hard. >> I I I was going to ask what is market

[10:09] like in your market analysis that you came up with?

[10:11] » Almost impossible. >> Yeah. What? What? Like compar one before

[10:15] him was so tough. >> She didn't even have her shirt yet.

[10:18] Okay. >> When we hired her, we hired her and and

[10:22] uh she had to get her ser while she was working. They gave us a waiver, right?

[10:26] » Mhm. >> Yeah.

[10:27] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[10:33] » Uh quick question. The Lyman Boak High School, how many kids are going to be

[10:40] going to that school? >> Six.

[10:42] » Six. All right. So, I just want to make sure

[10:45] » one more question. Okay. I got notes all over the place. You have to excuse me.

[10:50] » The uh Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield um the town came back has nine employees

[10:58] in the program. Now, okay. They were able to come back with a 30 I think it

[11:03] was a $38,000 savings. My question I have is the school only

[11:09] came back with a $34,000 savings. And I know you have more than nine people in

[11:14] the insurance plan. >> We we do. Uh

[11:18] » has there ever been an audit done? I I know you gave us a spreadsheet here,

[11:22] » but it doesn't say how many people you have in which column, whether it's

[11:27] single, married, spouse, married. It's it's just hard to read.

[11:32] » Yeah. So my question is did you do an audit and see was an audit done or needs

[11:38] to be done to see how many people you have in each particular plan so we know

[11:43] where the savings was. Where'd you come up with only $34,000? So so we did and

[11:48] in fact we had a um they had given us an updated quote I believe it was January

[11:53] and in that time I spoke to a broker and he said please rerun your numbers in and

[11:57] out it because we had changes within our plans. people went from families down to

[12:01] single etc. >> And that led to the the the next large

[12:06] reduction that was in our original proposal that was came in at 7.3.

[12:10] » Yeah. >> And and then we got the final

[12:13] adjustment. So an audit has been done. It was done in the in around the month

[12:16] of January, February. And then >> and that was part of the 13% cut you

[12:20] guys made, right? >> No, no, that happened the audit happened

[12:23] actually before the audit was included within our original proposal 7.31.

[12:28] » Right. Then after we submitted our budget, they locked in our figure for

[12:31] the next year, >> right?

[12:32] » And in here it's um it's all so for instance

[12:37] you can see that there's four in the individual, three in the two person.

[12:43] » Yeah. Give me a second. >> Yeah, it's there's no total number, but

[12:46] those are the makeup. >> Okay.

[12:48] » Of each of >> So you're saying you had a numbers to

[12:50] work with here? >> Numbers.

[12:54] » Those are the numbers for each plane. >> Where are they here?

[12:56] » That's different. That's a different sheet. Where's the sheet?

[12:59] » I guess this one is that one looks like this.

[13:04] » That's hard to follow.

[13:11] » You want my glasses? >> I got your glasses.

[13:19] » So those small numbers are how many people you have in that current plan.

[13:23] » Correct. Yep. And the left hand side is the current year and then the right hand

[13:27] side is the proposed cost per year. >> Okay. That's where you came up with the

[13:32] total of what? >> So, so that's the makeup of our premiums

[13:38] if you will, >> right?

[13:40] » And then as it goes down to the right hand side, lower right in the corner.

[13:44] Yes. >> You can see that our medical dental

[13:46] minus outlet our employees will pay is 1.15 million.

[13:50] » And then uh that's the change over the current year. And then the percentage

[13:54] that we landed on 8.0%. So this figure uh this figure that we

[14:00] presented to you the first time around again of the March 6 submission for our

[14:05] budget instead of 1.5 was 1.19. So it went down.

[14:11] » Yeah. The increase that we showed. Okay.

[14:19] » Oh yeah. Yeah. And and again in in that audit, our broker went back and went

[14:24] through all went through Anthem, confirmed every employee that's in our

[14:28] policies, confirmed all their premiums, you know, whether it's a single uh two

[14:33] person, right? You did a very good job. >> Do they pay a part of that?

[14:38] » Our employees. >> Yeah. Yeah. We have um we have two

[14:41] different plans, if you will. Um MUI members pay a 50% premium share across

[14:46] all platforms. LEA and certain administrators pay um two percentage

[14:51] points uh 18 or 19 depending upon whether it's a medical admission or

[14:57] the $10,000 you guys had in last year's budget for superintendent search is it

[15:03] there this year you guys use it somewhere else I was told right is that

[15:08] where you put it you use it is that where it's going to stay

[15:12] » no it was Oh sorry >> no no

[15:15] » I better not do it So 10,000 the $10,000 was in the super

[15:20] right where superendants were correct. >> We don't have it now.

[15:24] » No, you don't have No, but where did you spend the 10 grand is what I'm asking?

[15:27] » Oh, probably on the special ed. >> Probably on special ed. And that's where

[15:30] it's going to stay for this year. >> It's not.

[15:34] » No, but it's built in the budget from last year.

[15:36] » You go any >> It's out It's out of this year's budget.

[15:40] » No, I know it's not in this year's minimum amount that it went up last

[15:45] year. It's in the total role for you. >> Yeah, I know what you're saying.

[15:48] Can I respond? No, I know what you're saying. And actually, you're right. Um,

[15:53] anything right now, let me check on here. Special ed is already an issue.

[15:57] So, everything is going to go towards special ed. Okay.

[16:00] » Transfers. We're already behind.

[16:04] Okay. Done.

[16:09] » That's all I got this time. >> Okay. Anybody else have questions?

[16:13] » Yeah. Uh let me find them. Hold on. >> Okay.

[16:16] » In the mountains of >> while you're here.

[16:19] » Go ahead. You got them. >> Um

[16:22] » yeah, just just uh for the for the record um how is the education cost

[16:28] sharing revenue um calculated. So like in the uh in the proposed budget figure

[16:35] here. So you have the uh for fiscal year 2627 we have the 2.9 million previously

[16:41] 2 uh 82 million. Uh how is how is that calculated? I'm just curious.

[16:46] » The state >> that's just the state. Okay. Um

[16:49] » that's there is a formula but they don't pay any attention to it.

[16:53] » And they've held this amount for 5 years now

[16:56] » since 2021. >> 2021.

[16:59] » And that's the concern that might be going away.

[17:01] » Exactly. >> It's not going away. It's going down.

[17:05] going down every year. >> Yeah, exactly. They've been trying to

[17:09] » kill it and bring it down every year. >> Okay.

[17:12] » And transfer more of that load to the to the cities and increase theirs.

[17:18] » Um and fortunately, our legislators have been able to fight that.

[17:22] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[17:25] » So, what happens? I mean like if we figured in this year for them for our

[17:31] budget that amount they don't we're not promised that amount for this year this

[17:36] budget year. Is that correct? >> That is what they're projecting. But

[17:43] » other words in other words just because you're budgeting for it and we're

[17:46] budgeting for it in the governor's

[17:49] » that's what is in the bud governor's budget but it is not final until they

[17:54] pass that budget. Okay. >> So, they could still make changes in it

[17:57] up until they pass that final budget. Okay.

[18:02] » Um, another question, and maybe this is more for the board than the board of

[18:07] education. Um in looking at the proposed budget here, um it seems that the um all

[18:15] of the revenues incurred, so like the education cost sharing revenues and the

[18:19] excess special education cost revenues um come in on the town side but don't

[18:24] come in on the board of ed side. Correct. And my question is why exactly?

[18:28] Because the board of ed is incurring all of these expenses to earn that revenue.

[18:33] Yet when it comes budget time, it doesn't seem like they get any credit

[18:36] for earning that revenue >> because we fund the entire education

[18:43] budget. >> Mhm.

[18:44] » Okay. And that comes in back to the town from the state.

[18:48] » Okay. >> As replacement for some of the funds

[18:50] that we're expending. >> Okay.

[18:52] » Okay. Okay. Would it make sense when we're talking, you know, if we're going

[18:56] to propose cuts or tell the board have had to make cuts that we add in the net

[19:00] economic impact of those revenues since it came from the school without the

[19:05] school expenditure. We wouldn't have that revenue at all.

[19:10] » But the only reason we're have the revenue is because we're spending it.

[19:14] » Right. Right. Right. No, I I I understand that.

[19:16] » Yeah. It nets out in the end. So it's as long as we maintain the same focus and

[19:22] the same accounting measures, it's not going to have an impact.

[19:26] » Okay. I mean the ultimate end is going to be the same.

[19:31] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The total the total uh yeah surplus or or deficit. I understand

[19:36] that. But if we're making uniform cuts on a percentage of the budget and the

[19:40] town is getting the revenue, but the board of ed is basically has no revenue.

[19:45] We've stripped that and put it in the town budget. Mr. Chairman, can I

[19:50] » Yes. >> John, just to be clear,

[19:53] » everything goes into the into the general fund,

[19:56] » right? >> Both budgets are f are funded by the

[19:59] general fund. >> Yeah.

[20:00] » So all monies go into one big pot. >> Yeah.

[20:03] » And then >> we submit our budgets. Yeah. And then

[20:07] the general fund and which includes all of the taxpayers taxes.

[20:11] » Y >> that's what we used to. It would make no

[20:15] sense to say, "Okay, well, here, why don't we just give why don't we just put

[20:19] this much money that the board of education earned for them and then this

[20:23] much money that the um board of general government earned, put it for them? That

[20:29] that would make no sense at all. And then where would you do? Put the

[20:32] taxpayers money someplace else and then grant money someplace else. It all goes

[20:36] into the general fund." >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I I

[20:39] understand that. Um, I'm more so thinking from like a net economic

[20:43] impact. You know, if we're if we're proposing cuts, if we kick back and we

[20:46] say we have to make cuts, you know, I I don't know. I think I think my questions

[20:52] answered. I just wanted to bring that up.

[20:55] » Okay. Any other questions on the education

[20:58] board? I had requested a list of employees by

[21:04] title. Did we get that? >> Yeah, you did.

[21:07] » You got it already. You got it a week ago. You need it again.

[21:10] » But we can do it again. >> Yeah. I didn't see it. So

[21:12] » Oh, yeah. We said it over a week ago. We got right on it.

[21:15] » I know. My dash for it three weeks ago. >> Can we do what we just Do you have a

[21:19] cotton machine? >> Yes.

[21:20] » We can give it to you right now. Okay. >> I believe you have a new packet.

[21:24] » It was in it was in the packet that had all the account codes. Um it's um it's

[21:31] this and that.

[21:34] » Yep.

[21:38] Anybody

[21:41] have questions on the general government budget?

[21:50] » No. No. Okay. >> Okay. Get through the school building.

[21:56] » All right. Um, anybody have any thoughts on where we should go?

[21:59] » Yeah. Wayne. >> Yep.

[22:01] » Question I got for you. >> Yep.

[22:03] » Was brought to my attention. It's a good point.

[22:08] Instead of taking out $400,000 >> out of the surplus to help offset the

[22:13] cost. >> Okay.

[22:15] » How about if we only did 300? >> The reason why I'm asking that is for a

[22:19] simple reason is in another month or so when we have a town meeting on the

[22:23] capital improvement plan for 27. >> Mhm.

[22:27] » All the items that are on the capital improvement plans, I think there's I

[22:31] don't know 10 11 of them. >> Mhm.

[22:34] » That total $160,000. Mhm.

[22:36] » Mhm. >> If if we were to

[22:41] go with the one mil, ask for the instead of 400, take out the 300 and then take

[22:47] the $118,000 in cuts. >> Mhm.

[22:51] » And then the $100,000 that we would have saved by not going to 400.

[22:56] » Mhm. >> We can use that toward this number of

[23:00] 160, which is all school >> repairs.

[23:04] » Mhm. Otherwise, we take out the 400 then like we did last year

[23:09] » and then we still went I don't remember what we took out last year for how much?

[23:13] » 600 >> 600 what?

[23:15] » 600,000. >> That's right. 600,000 last year because

[23:17] of the science lab. You're right. I forgot. Thank you, sir.

[23:20] » No, science lab was on top of that. >> Oh, science lab was on top of that.

[23:24] » There was a lot last year. >> We 6 622,48.

[23:28] » Yeah. I'd just like to try saving something for the uh um

[23:34] » capital improvements >> for capital improvements.

[23:37] » Instead of going to 400, do 300 or do the 400 and

[23:42] drop it down to 75 mil, but still ask for like $118,000 cut to make because a

[23:48] mill is 135,000, right? >> Mhm. So a quarter of a mill would be 108

[23:54] roughly 108,000 savings if we dropped it down a mill. But then you're talking a

[23:59] bigger cut. So we left it at a mill, took 300 out instead of the four, we'd

[24:06] still be looking at about $100,000 in cuts. And I come up with about $75,000

[24:10] in the board of eds just on simple things.

[24:16] » Well, that's an option absolutely that we

[24:19] have. Okay. >> Okay. Um, late this afternoon, I did run

[24:24] a couple of more numbers. >> Okay.

[24:26] » All right. Um, >> that aren't in the packet that was

[24:30] » that. Right. Correct. >> Um,

[24:34] one I looked at was um bringing up the reserve to 500,000 that we're going to

[24:40] take out of the surplus. Okay. Um,

[24:45] and lowering the tax rate to 27.2, which is going to be only

[24:51] a half a mill increase. >> 27.2.

[24:54] » 27.2.

[24:58] Okay. >> All right. So, if you did that, you took

[25:01] out five instead of four, >> right? That would leave a deficit of

[25:06] 155,000. Okay.

[25:10] » Okay. which would result in 111,000 cut to the board of ed

[25:16] um of which um I think the general consensus on the

[25:21] board is that the breakfast shouldn't be funded.

[25:24] » Correct. >> And parking lot at 10 is 65.

[25:29] » Mhm. >> Uh if we're going to do the capital

[25:31] items, they also have 5,000 in the repair account. So that's uh that's

[25:37] 70,000. Mhm. >> So would amount to a $41,000 cut

[25:43] » right >> to the board.

[25:45] » And how much to that would still be to the

[25:49] » town I'm sorry board of uh >> the general town budget would be 43,000.

[25:56] » 43. >> Correct.

[26:00] » Could you repeat that? >> Just your last statement, not the whole

[26:03] thing. that the coming from the board of ed would be 43,000

[26:08] » not the board of ed town >> the town would be

[26:11] » yes >> okay

[26:15] » I'm back I

[26:18] » I do have a question by taking additional money out of the general fund

[26:24] » um my mind goes to a couple different places one by taking money out of the

[26:27] general fund we're leaving interest income on the table yep

[26:30] » which is quite substantial with interest rates being elevated compared to the

[26:33] last 20 years. >> So, there's that piece.

[26:36] » The other piece to it is, and maybe this is something you can answer, uh, how

[26:40] does that impact our credit rating as far as pulling money out of cash

[26:44] reserves to fund deficits rather than using the tax?

[26:48] » We have, as long as we're primarily using that

[26:53] for one-time expenses, >> Mhm.

[26:56] » Okay. will not have any effect. um we have more than adequate um amount in

[27:03] there. >> Okay.

[27:04] » Yeah. >> We're our policy says we have to

[27:07] maintain 17%. >> Okay.

[27:09] » Of the total budget in cash. >> Yes.

[27:12] » Yeah. In reserve. >> Yeah.

[27:14] » Uh and we're well well over that. >> So if we're dumping 500,000,

[27:21] » what of that other than the parking lot and the capital improvement were taken

[27:25] out of their budget? What other are we considering it part of that or

[27:31] are we >> That's up to them.

[27:33] » No, no, no. But >> well, yeah, we'd have to we we determine

[27:36] what we're going to do for the capital. >> Okay.

[27:40] » Um >> yeah, you still got to go back and ask

[27:42] for 160,000 out of that, right? So, if you take off 100 out, which is a great

[27:46] idea, Wayne, don't get me wrong. I like the idea. Lower the mill rate, the

[27:49] happier I am, >> right? But if you're going to if you're

[27:52] going to do that and you're going to take out 500 instead of the four, then

[27:55] you're still looking at another 159 on top of that. Correct.

[27:58] » You're you're looking at a if you lower tax rate by half a mill.

[28:03] » Yeah. >> Okay. And add another 100,000.

[28:05] » No, we're raising it half a mill. >> No. Yeah, you're raising a half a mill,

[28:09] but a half a mill less than 1 mill. >> Right. Um we would have a deficit of

[28:17] 155,000. Okay. We would that would be split

[28:22] 111,000 to the board of ed. Correct. 43,000 to the board.

[28:25] » Correct. Okay. >> Okay.

[28:27] » Okay. >> Out of the 111.

[28:30] » The breakfast is 55. >> Yep.

[28:32] » The parking lot is 10. >> Yep.

[28:34] » Uh the repairs to the kitchen equipment y

[28:37] » is another five. >> Yep.

[28:38] » So that's 70. >> Yep.

[28:41] » Okay. So that leaves a difference of 41,000

[28:44] » that they got to figure out. >> Yes. which on a $13 million BZ budget,

[28:48] they shouldn't have a problem. Problem I got is Tommy's budget. You're talking

[28:50] almost cutting it by 25%. >> Because he's only asking for what? Two

[28:57] 211, >> right?

[28:59] » And you're you're asking to cut 43,000 out of that. That's about 25% of the

[29:03] budget you're asking.

[29:12] Does it have to be 500? Could it be like 450?

[29:15] » Could be anything we want. >> Oh, yeah. I know. I'm just asking. I You

[29:18] know. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[29:24] » Yeah. I mean, that's And again, we do not have to make a decision tonight.

[29:28] » No, but still cut 25% out of somebody's budget. Quite a bit of chunk. I mean, if

[29:33] you look at asking the board ahead to cut 111,000 out of a $13 million budget,

[29:37] what's that percentage of that budget being? Didn't that come out to like um

[29:43] » the the an equivalent of the board of ed paying 71.7%

[29:48] and this budget town only paying 28. >> Yeah, that's what he's figured. Yeah.

[29:53] » But it's not 28% of the bud of their budget. It's 28% of their of the cut.

[30:00] » Correct. >> Right.

[30:01] » Yes. >> Yeah. Yes. Okay.

[30:05] » And that's what those numbers reflect the 40.

[30:08] » It it reflects >> it reflects that percentage of the

[30:13] deficit. >> Okay.

[30:15] » Okay. >> What is the thing we had last week about

[30:19] how much it affects the property tax

[30:27] looking for it or add it? that it had it had based on this

[30:34] some courthouse or something. >> Well,

[30:39] I'm not concerned with Mr. >> Chairman. I can help you here. So,

[30:44] » we have the spreadsheet, your spreadsheet.

[30:46] » Yep. >> And we changed the numbers here. So, if

[30:48] we went with 27.22, 22, right? Which would be a half a mill increase and a

[30:53] $450,000 uh reduction in the CNR. You there would

[30:59] be a cut of 140 235 for the board of ed and 57307 for the town.

[31:07] » Mhm.

[31:15] » Another piece of information.

[31:19] So, what we need to accomplish tonight in preparation for the public

[31:26] um meeting >> Mhm.

[31:28] » is to decide if we're going to present the budgets as they've been presented to

[31:33] us. >> Mhm.

[31:36] » Or if we think we're going to recommend a change.

[31:41] » Okay. But we don't have to leave. >> Well, you should have an idea what the

[31:45] change is going to be. You ask that Monday night. really want to you really

[31:49] want to take Monday night to give the people this is this is what we're

[31:52] thinking. This is where we want to go. >> We still have the option to change it.

[31:56] » I mean the whole point of the public hearing is the people can come out and

[32:00] speak >> uh and you know they make their case

[32:04] » then we come back at the next meeting and decide what the final outcome is

[32:08] going to be. >> Last year we had a mill increase. The

[32:11] year before we had a mill increase and if we're Wayne's idea of a half a mill

[32:16] is a good idea, you're you're looking at with the economy the way it is today,

[32:20] that's still going to be a good hit on some people, especially in the economy

[32:24] now. I was I've been telling people when my kids were in school here years ago,

[32:29] there was 600 kids in the school. We're down to 400 now. That's telling me we

[32:33] still got more houses but less kids which means you have a lot more

[32:36] households now with fixed incomes and last thing I want to do is the cost

[32:43] of everything today market didn't burden them with a big tax increase

[32:49] » where it can be taken care of how much >> per household did you find it

[32:53] » um that >> I looked up the median income and it's

[32:57] well below the average to live comfortably in the state

[33:01] » in the state. Yeah. >> Yeah. And that's and that's offset.

[33:03] That's it's like 90 something. >> Do we know uh compared to the median for

[33:07] the county? Because I mean the median for the state's also going to include

[33:11] Fairfield County. >> That is a very different.

[33:14] » But when you look at incomes in Fairfield County,

[33:17] » yeah, >> they're relatively low because those

[33:19] people aren't reporting incomes. >> They're reporting their W2 income just

[33:23] because they pay a lower income tax on that portion. Then they pay the 30% on

[33:28] whatever is left of their business. So that we can ignore it. People here, if

[33:33] you have someone that has a high salary position and they're making 300,000,

[33:37] that's offsetting the people making 30,000.

[33:39] » Y >> and we will have people here making

[33:41] 30,000 working in the warehouse. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[33:44] » And their kids are here, right? >> And they're going to struggle.

[33:46] » Understood. >> That number is getting offset by the

[33:49] high income if we have a doctor in the town.

[33:51] » Yeah. >> We don't have too many

[33:54] » I'm sure we do have some, but we don't have any crazy business owners here that

[33:57] are making 10 million a year. Yeah. >> 150,000 income just to say they are.

[34:03] » Um, >> do we know what the average

[34:05] » Well, that that's the nice thing with the median is it reduces both ends of

[34:08] the spectrum. >> We're looking at something. So, I'm

[34:11] worried that we have we could have 10 homes in this town that are making a

[34:18] huge amount >> and it's hiding the fact that we could

[34:21] have, you know, a third of the population get broken if we increase the

[34:26] mill rate by too much. and we don't know cuz I just know the middle the average.

[34:30] » So that's what I'm worried about cuz the home values are increased right now.

[34:34] » Uh so I'm kind of concerned and it's not so much the reality is we're blindsiding

[34:40] people because state laws are being passed forcing you guys to increase your

[34:44] costs and no one's telling anyone. >> The problem's at the state level and now

[34:50] we have to clean it up and people are going to be hurting. some work. It's

[34:53] either be you guys >> not having enough money to do what

[34:56] you're legally required to do, the town losing 25% of their budget and not be

[35:02] able to clean up the town. >> It's not 25. It's

[35:05] » well, whatever close to 15 or 16%. >> 15 or 16 still 15 or 16. It's still

[35:10] going to hurt everyone, but >> but that's only of the increase.

[35:13] » My my my question would be how are we going to fund that? We know what's going

[35:16] to happen. How are we going to fund that? And in my opinion, I'm not a huge

[35:19] fan of taking it out of the general fund to do that. I would rather see some mill

[35:24] rate increase and get ahead of it than not. That's just

[35:30] » Well, how much of a mill increase would you consider? A half, a one, a two, a

[35:34] three? I mean, >> I found the list.

[35:38] » A half a mill. I don't think it's going to get

[35:39] » This is This is what um Wayne gave us last week that has

[35:44] » We got an updated one >> with the with the home cost.

[35:48] » Oh, not with the home cost. >> Okay. So, this has if your assessed

[35:51] value of your home is we'll say 300,000 what the tax currently is. And if the if

[35:58] it goes up if it goes up one mil is what we're talking about, right?

[36:03] » You can look there. It' be 27.2 >> 27.7

[36:07] » 20 Yeah. 27.5 >> for a $300,000 house, it's going to go

[36:13] $25 tax assessment on the house. So if you got a $300,000,

[36:16] » if we go a half a mill different mills

[36:20] and what your new bill would be >> well increase, not what Yeah, you're

[36:24] right. >> I mean, I know it's still $25 a month,

[36:27] but it's not >> No, it's not

[36:29] » $200, right? >> Exactly.

[36:32] » As soon as you just repeat that again because a lot of people were talking.

[36:35] » So what did you say again? What would it go up from?

[36:38] » So, if we went up one mil point, >> uh, from from what it is currently, a

[36:44] person who has a $300,000 assessed value of their house,

[36:49] » it their tax would go up $25 a month. >> Oh. Mhm.

[36:55] » Yeah. Okay. That's all.

[37:11] I mean, I I personally like the the proposal of 28 and a half. I know that's

[37:17] a jump in the mill rate, but we're not touching the general fund. And then we

[37:20] can go back with cuts and it's only 40,000 in cuts.

[37:25] that we have to go back with

[37:30] because I know I I know this town we historically have been on the cheaper

[37:35] side of property taxes. You know, if you look at our neighbor Norwich,

[37:39] » they're cheap.

[37:41] » Yeah. Yeah. No, of course not. But that's my point. We're still relatively

[37:44] significantly cheaper. And it's like, you know, Norwich is sitting here having

[37:49] the same conversation we're having. Grizzled's having the same conversation

[37:52] we're having. They're all having the same conversation. And it's who's going

[37:55] to who's going to bear the cost and is it going to be now or later? And I think

[37:59] if we bleed our general fund and keep doing that, I don't see the cost of

[38:04] living getting any better anytime soon. And that's expert forecasts. Those

[38:08] aren't those aren't my madeup numbers, you know. I I read this stuff all all

[38:13] day for a living, you know, and and the experts don't see an end in sight for

[38:17] the inflation picture, at least for the next year, you know. So building in some

[38:21] sort of buffer in case stuff does get crazy.

[38:24] » No, we're reselling this year. >> Yeah.

[38:28] » So now next year we'll have taxes not >> we'll be basalation.

[38:34] » Wayne either way you look at it whether it's 27.2 a half a mill like you're

[38:39] talking about which is a good idea >> or we're looking at a 1 mil.

[38:43] » Yep. But if we did the one mill, if we only took out 300 and we did the half

[38:48] the mill and we took out 500, that's $200,000 in the out of the surplus

[38:51] between the difference. Bottom line is still the cuts made by the board of ed

[38:56] and the board of selectmen are going to be roughly the same give or take a few

[39:00] $2,000. >> Correct. So I think what we really got

[39:04] to look at, do we want to take out take out only 300 or take out 500 and

[39:10] have a half a mill especially after raises we've had

[39:16] » in increases I mean for the mill rate

[39:22] » I mean I think one mill either way they're going to work either way there's

[39:25] going to be there's going to be some form of cuts made.

[39:28] » Mhm. But I mean, if we do if we do the lower

[39:32] amount of capital gains, like you said, it gives us the money to do the capital

[39:37] gains the school needs out of, you know, additionally to that. And, you know,

[39:46] I mean, maybe $25 a month will hurt some people, but do they have a $300,000

[39:51] house? I don't know. You know, >> could tell you.

[39:54] » I could tell you. Do we do we know what the median not the average because the

[39:57] average is skewed by you know the new that is the median is 300,000.

[40:01] » No no no median income is around 90 something thousand.

[40:06] » Okay. So that that slices the outliers on the low end and on the high end. It's

[40:09] not >> and the real estate market if it

[40:12] crashes. >> I know my house with zero improvements

[40:14] has gone up in value by over $100,000 in three years. So we'll see

[40:19] » comes out. That's why I don't think you're not really looking at $300,000

[40:23] houses that you think of. They're really around 1,000 square ft just you have a

[40:27] couple bedrooms. Um, but the values are high because the

[40:34] » And the other thing you have to think about is with a 28 if you went to 28 and

[40:38] went up uh what 2 mills >> is whether you can get it through a

[40:43] town, >> which I don't.

[40:46] » Yeah.

[40:49] » We've lived this stream before. >> Oh yeah.

[40:52] I don't want to pay more taxes. I'm just saying.

[40:54] » No, I'm just saying, you know, can't get if you go to 28 and bring it through

[41:00] town. We could be doing multiple referendums.

[41:03] » Well,

[41:07] we can always ask for the cuts, present it that way, and then we can decide if

[41:11] what we want to do with the $200,000. We either

[41:15] » take an extra 100 out or leave a 100. >> Mhm.

[41:18] » And that'll make the difference between a half a mill and a whole mill. Well, if

[41:21] we do what you suggest is leave the uh proposed 1 mil increase, reduce the uh

[41:31] surplus from 400 to use to 300,000. >> Mhm.

[41:36] » Would be a deficit of 118,032. >> Correct.

[41:41] » Um which would account for uh 84,000 to the board of ed and 33,000 to the town.

[41:50] Wayne, why why do we have to do it that way?

[41:53] » We don't. >> Then why don't we say

[41:58] you're talking 118? Why don't we just tell the board to add 100,000 and

[42:02] selectman's budget 18? >> You can.

[42:05] » Okay. >> I mean, that's Yeah.

[42:09] You know, because I think if we're going to fund some of this

[42:13] other stuff through the capital, um that's 70,000 out of there. So they only

[42:17] got to come up with $30,000 more out of a $13 million budget.

[42:21] » Correct. >> Then Tommy's budget we got to they got

[42:25] to figure out >> what' you say 20

[42:28] » 18,000 we got to figure out his budget. >> Yep.

[42:44] » Do you want to make that motion? Oh boy. Oh boy.

[42:49] » He's like, "What did I say? I didn't do it."

[42:52] » Well, be honest with you. I already for the doing the 300,000.

[42:56] » Okay. >> One.

[42:59] » Okay. >> Can I ask a question?

[43:01] » Yeah. >> I I've gone through the board of

[43:03] selectman's budget and I can't really find anything where you can cut 18 where

[43:08] I could cut 15,000, never mind 18. I don't know if I'm missing something.

[43:13] » No, you're It's very tight budget. >> It's very tight. that I I I really can't

[43:17] see cutting anything out of it. Otherwise, I believe me, I'd be saying

[43:20] it tonight. >> Yeah. No, I I

[43:24] » it seems like there's some things though that are not totally utilized. We can't

[43:30] find out. And I don't know if that matters, but I know we move money around

[43:35] if we need to, but it seemed like there was some things that were budgeted, you

[43:40] know, a lot over what they spent last year, not just a small amount over um

[43:56] we don't really have to do the 300,000 exactly.

[44:01] » No. So, how about if I make a motion? You already got a motion on the table.

[44:05] » Yeah, I put a motion on. >> Yeah. And I I I

[44:09] would prefer the motions are worded to propose to the public hearing.

[44:16] » Okay. >> This Okay.

[44:18] » So, that we present this option to the >> correct. Correct.

[44:23] » Okay. >> You you gave it

[44:25] » Oh, okay. Thanks. I got so many of them. >> I know, right?

[44:28] » Yes. We could do >> We could do 318 and nothing,

[44:32] » right? >> Yes.

[44:34] » Well, I can't make a motion because you're you

[44:39] » say was >> what he's proposing is that we take

[44:42] 318,000 out of the surplus. >> Huh.

[44:46] » And then $100,000 pulling money out of

[44:50] » Well, no. We just still have to pull the 300.

[44:55] » Yeah. But it's better than 400. >> Yeah. It's better than 400. Yeah.

[44:58] » Yeah. What if we did a mill and a half >> and pulled?

[45:01] » Yeah. But a mill, you know what that's going to do to people?

[45:04] » I mean, a mill is 25. >> No, a mill is $435,000. We're going to

[45:07] come up with each mill. >> So, I know what you're saying. You're

[45:12] breaking on a monthly payment basis, right? A mill and a half. What does that

[45:15] do for the for a $300,000 house? >> Do we know what the median house

[45:20] » household assessed value is in the in the in the town?

[45:23] » Do you have an assessed value? >> The median assessed value? Do do you

[45:27] have that? >> I have assessed value properties like

[45:30] like a median assessment. >> Can you try to speak?

[45:33] » Maybe I'll figure out >> the green would be close.

[45:36] » Been up since like 4 a.m. I'll do my best.

[45:42] » Mr. Chairman,

[45:49] a mill right now is 466,000. >> 466. I knew it was 45. And then how much

[45:57] is 66,000?

[46:00] » No. Mill is >> no it currently. Yes.

[46:05] » 474. >> But based on the new assessment it's

[46:09] 474086. >> But right now it's 47.

[46:13] » Yeah. Currently today. Yes. >> I heard somebody say it's 43.

[46:16] » I I I'm using last year's mill rate. >> Well, we've had so many different

[46:22] figures, Tom. >> Yeah.

[46:24] They just had income. So you see an average on here.

[46:29] » It just has averages. >> It just had averages. It had the median

[46:33] income, but not the household value. >> Gotcha.

[46:36] » Yeah. And the assessed value is more so what what I'm after, you know, because

[46:38] you can have a $600,000 house in a new development, but it's only going to

[46:42] assess at maybe 350 for >> It's going to be it's going to be

[46:46] something very different. here where maybe

[46:52] I mean >> you want that one back.

[46:55] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Just just so I get an idea.

[46:58] » Yeah. No problem. I'm just trying to figure out make sure you got the right

[47:00] color. >> Yeah. Thanks.

[47:07] I mean, if if the median assessed value, I'm just throwing a number out here, was

[47:11] 200,000 or even $250,000, we're looking at $21 a monthish.

[47:16] Nobody's house is 200,000 >> but assessed with the assessed value not

[47:20] the market value the assessed value you know because like I said you could have

[47:24] a half million dollar house that assesses at 300

[47:27] » so the amount of houses that are sitting at a half a million that are assessing

[47:30] at 300 I don't know that there's a lot I know there's a lot because the real

[47:35] estate's gone >> yeah but your assessed value should be

[47:37] 70% of market value at the time the assessment was done

[47:41] » right okay what was the last time the assessment

[47:45] was done >> it happened 5 years ago. Yeah, we do it

[47:47] every five. Half the town. >> There's a current one being done now

[47:50] that'll reflect in next year's budget. Not the one not the one following the

[47:54] budget. >> Correct. Understood.

[47:56] » But that's going to be an automatic increase in people's taxes. Probably

[48:00] much bigger than our one. >> Maybe not.

[48:04] » Yeah. I mean, if real estate if real estate prices plummet, then yeah, that's

[48:07] a different conversation. But they're not plummeted down

[48:09] » because if they plummet next year, it's not going to do anybody any good cuz

[48:12] that's going to stand for 5 years. >> Correct. even after now.

[48:16] » Yeah. So, if we're going >> done,

[48:17] » if we're going if we're going off of 5 years ago, though, right? This was this

[48:20] was before, you know, the money supply went crazy. The real estate market went

[48:25] crazy. So, the assessed values, we're dealing with 5 years assessed values.

[48:28] We're not dealing with this year's assessed values.

[48:30] » Yeah. Cuz when I bought my house, it was it was worth a lot less. It was probably

[48:33] kind of closer to that. >> Yeah.

[48:35] » And that's it's gone up, you know, 100,000 in market values or probably

[48:39] 70,000 >> in a SAS value.

[48:41] » Yeah. which this year it's still going to be a lot higher.

[48:45] » Yeah. >> Than what it was when I bought the

[48:46] place. >> But let's put it this way.

[48:50] » If everybody's assessed value doubles, okay, then there should be no impact on

[48:57] their taxes. >> Why?

[49:00] » Because everybody went up by double. >> Uhhuh.

[49:04] » Okay. >> But

[49:06] » so the mill the mill rate goes down. >> It balances out. what controls I

[49:12] understand that but if we already set this in budget

[49:15] » in motion yes with the 1 mil increase and then

[49:20] » we'll get the assessed value next year this budget no so it'll be so next year

[49:25] it'll be the following year's budget >> correct this

[49:28] » okay so that that number the uh the grand list number would jump is what

[49:33] you're saying correct the grand list is the sum of all assessed property if if

[49:38] it doubled your mill rate would drop in half So it balances out maybe a couple

[49:42] dollars. >> What's important is

[49:45] » the two budgets. >> Yeah. Okay. All the assessment does is

[49:51] if somebody all of a sudden put a double the size of their house.

[49:56] » Okay. Then their assessment is going to go up.

[49:58] » Sure. >> Okay. It's going to go up in out of

[50:01] proportion to the rest of the town. Correct.

[50:03] » Okay. They'll be paying more taxes because of the addition they go on.

[50:06] which makes >> the biggest issue we have is 5 years ago

[50:11] the commercial property went way down in their assessment and the houses went up.

[50:17] So we had an increase in the house houses carrying more the tax load. 5

[50:22] years before that the commercial property was

[50:26] significantly more than the housing. So we were able to actually reduce a mill

[50:31] or I forget exactly what it was. We did have a mill increase decrease because of

[50:36] that. Okay. Um

[50:40] you know we actually saw a net tax decrease.

[50:44] So it all depends on what that assessment comes out the value of the

[50:48] commercial to the residential to individual areas of town.

[50:52] » Mhm. >> Okay.

[50:58] » All right. So there's a motion on the floor. Was there a second?

[51:01] » What was the motion? Yeah, I'd like >> I believe it was to go with one mil and

[51:07] a 300 reduction uh use of the surplus

[51:13] 300,000 out of the surplus 1 mil increase.

[51:17] » I'll second it. >> Okay. And that is to propose to the

[51:21] public hearing. >> Correct.

[51:24] » Any discussion? >> Yeah.

[51:26] » Go ahead. Uh, what are you going to do as far as getting to that making up that

[51:31] $118,000? >> That's the next part we have to discuss.

[51:35] » Is that tonight or after the meeting Monday?

[51:37] » I would Why I would do it tonight so we have something to propose?

[51:40] » That's fine. >> Okay.

[51:45] » All right. >> Yep.

[51:47] » Good question. >> Yes. I have two packets. How much is in

[51:50] the surplus? >> One

[51:53] one and a half >> 4.2

[51:56] two million I believe. >> Yeah.

[51:58] » Of which we have to keep 17%. >> Right. Yeah.

[52:02] » Okay. >> Um that acronym that I saw in one of the

[52:06] financial statements for the town. What was that? It was a large number.

[52:09] » I did not look that up. >> Um

[52:12] » was in the financial statements in the audit.

[52:15] » I don't remember. It came in an email to everyone. I was reading through it.

[52:20] Switch back to the other email. So

[52:24] » you said there's four million on the cash

[52:28] » over four >> over

[52:29] » but 17% would be what 1.5 we figured 1.1 we got to keep we got to keep

[52:37] » total budget is >> 300,000 of the 4 million 7% of our

[52:43] » 2.5

[52:46] » we we run it we run it that we got three years until we're right on 17% %

[52:52] » I would >> GF invest in Investment.

[52:57] » Huh? >> We cannot hear you.

[52:59] » That's the general fund investment insurance that's being generated.

[53:03] » Oh, I was just asking what an acronym was. It's not important.

[53:06] » General fund investment interest. >> Got it.

[53:09] » Yeah. >> And that's what you brought up. We keep

[53:12] that in there. We get more interest because we have it.

[53:14] » Correct. Got it. >> Correct. Well, my my other my other

[53:18] thing is, you know, if uh if we go down if we have 4 million in there and we

[53:21] have 300,000 that we're pulling out, we're reducing it by seven and a seven

[53:26] and a half%. >> So, we do that for three-ish years

[53:30] » each year, you know, for let's say, you know, assessed value stay the same,

[53:34] right? Whatever. Like, cuz we're we're hypothesizing. It's like we could only

[53:37] do that for a couple years, a few years, and then we're back to the drawing board

[53:41] and we've got increased mill rates. So, it's do we do it now? Do we do a little

[53:44] bit now? Do we do more than a bid now? Like more than 1 mil now.

[53:48] » Or do we tell them to figure it out? >> I think I think the answer is both.

[53:52] » The firehouse starting to drop off. >> Yeah.

[53:55] » Firehouse starts to drop off. >> Um

[54:00] next year there's a Well, it's dropping every year.

[54:02] » Okay. >> It's an advertising bond, correct? It's

[54:04] not. >> So, there is a uh I think a hundred and

[54:09] something thousand drop next year. >> Plus, we lose the fire truck.

[54:13] » The fire truck goes away, right? >> Yes. Yeah, the debt. The budget has the

[54:16] last payment on the fire truck. >> The debt on the fire truck.

[54:20] » Yes. >> Yeah.

[54:22] » But that doesn't mean there's a new fire truck around the corner.

[54:24] » Well, I was just going to say ambulance. >> I know

[54:28] » the ambulances are the ambulance is being taken out of L. Yeah,

[54:32] » they're they're paying for that themselves. I'm not

[54:35] » You're right. >> Not misunderstanding.

[54:37] » Correct. >> That requested budget went up quite a

[54:40] bit, too. >> It's been up there since they

[54:44] » No. No, no, it went up what 310 it was this year and it was like 288. So, I

[54:50] don't know. >> And that

[54:52] » that was one of them that I noticed went up quite a bit.

[54:54] » Is that something where there's like there I think it was some sort of salary

[55:00] issue as with hiring someone for the fire department EMT or something where

[55:05] some ambulance was supposed to get paid for in certain amounts or we were going

[55:08] to pay a salary or it's going to be shared and now it's all in town.

[55:12] » Yep. Yes. Yes. So, the original proposal was

[55:17] that um the L, which is the ambulance

[55:21] service, was going to contribute uh $100,000

[55:25] to the operation. >> Mhm.

[55:28] » Okay. Um that never occurred. >> All right.

[55:34] » The money that they bring in, they're not turning back into the town they're

[55:38] spending. >> They purchased a new ambulance.

[55:41] » Mhm. So they're paying for that. I mean, some of the income that they got coming

[55:45] in plus the money that we get them >> plus supplies for anyway. I think two

[55:48] years ago, what was it? 6070,000 just for the stretcher.

[55:52] » Just for a stretcher. >> Just for the stretcher.

[55:55] » Y. >> So it's not cheap.

[55:58] » Um, so that does that run as a business or does it run like the board of ed? We

[56:02] give them money, they decide what to do with it.

[56:03] » Business. >> So that

[56:07] worries them stay in it. >> Mhm. It's like monitoring it.

[56:11] » Well, we give them money. >> Yeah. If we control the amount we give

[56:15] them. >> Yeah.

[56:16] » Right. But they the money they make, they keep. That's what furnishes the new

[56:20] ambulance, new equipment, >> things like that.

[56:23] » But that was the money. That's that 100,000 people talking about.

[56:27] » So, we're still paying. >> Yes.

[56:29] » Oh, yeah. for >> every town pays

[56:32] » for their what their >> we give them money and they they act

[56:38] like just a heavily subsidized business. >> Mhm.

[56:42] » Why are we doing that? >> That is

[56:47] » that's like if you guys gave me money for my business, great. Now that I'm

[56:50] doing well, keep giving me money. I'm going to keep buying more stuff. But

[56:54] it's a little different >> because you know we do have a

[56:58] responsibility to make sure that there's medical services available to the

[57:02] » Oh, I'm not saying get rid of it. I'm saying

[57:05] » but would it be different? But it would would it be different on the town's

[57:11] » you know we're talking about the the board of ed having taking capital gains

[57:15] out of their budget and and paying for those things separate. I know we've had

[57:19] this conversation before about ambulances and fire trucks and

[57:23] everything like if it's a separate LLC, what happen who owns what, you know, I

[57:29] mean, would those things make sense to take out of the general budget? And

[57:34] would it be better on our on our ledgers to have it as a capital gains

[57:41] um expense rather than putting it into the budget?

[57:45] I believe that they should be coming to us

[57:49] and having that discussion before they buy an ambulance.

[57:54] » And anytime there's anything over a certain amount of money, what is that?

[57:56] 25,000. I think it just went up 5 grand. It has to go to a town meeting.

[58:01] » So if they wanted to buy a new fire truck, I assume they have to come to the

[58:04] town, right? No. >> No.

[58:05] » No. >> That's what we're talking about. Right.

[58:07] » The town is funding it. Yes. >> Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying. If

[58:11] they came and said, "Hey, we want >> anything that we're going to allocate

[58:14] money for over the certain amounts." >> Yes. Has to come to town. Has to go to a

[58:19] town meeting depending on the amount. >> Most of the time the town will have

[58:21] bondage. >> Yes.

[58:22] » Yeah. So, the town would have a say in it.

[58:25] » Yes. But what I'm asking is from what Jonathan's been saying about, you know,

[58:31] how it looks on, you know, our credit and how it looks on, you know, us taking

[58:36] money from our savings to pay our regular bills versus taking money from

[58:41] our savings to buy a fire truck or to put a new roof on something. Like, does

[58:45] is that better for our our credit rating?

[58:49] » That's what I'm asking. >> Yes.

[58:53] to use it for capital expenses is always better.

[58:58] » So, ch command at the fire department, at what point does it switch to Lisbon

[59:03] emergency response? Is that just EMTs? >> Yes, the ambulance services emergency

[59:08] response. Everything else is under the fire department.

[59:11] » Right. >> So, cuz it it seems like the town is

[59:15] investing in a business and then if that business has a good return, the town

[59:19] doesn't have any shares it can then sell or sell to do.

[59:22] » Right. Right. >> It's that seems like a mistake. I'm not

[59:26] saying we get rid of it, but if they bring back an extra $60,000 that should

[59:31] go in the general fund, like they're still getting paid for it. They're

[59:34] getting their salaries. Their equipment gets paid for. They they get everything

[59:37] they need. >> They get help financially from the town

[59:39] whenever they need it. >> It's like the American Ambulance is a

[59:44] business. >> Yes.

[59:46] » That's not a business. >> That's it's basically a government

[59:49] entity. That's that's how it should get changed today. And that would could help

[59:53] the budget cuz if they're buying something they don't really need, but

[59:55] it's under 25,000, there's no real oversight. They could spend $24,000 on

[1:00:00] something shiny. >> They don't have to they can spend

[1:00:05] 150,000 >> without bid or anything.

[1:00:09] » Yeah. >> Cuz they're separate organization that

[1:00:11] we're giving a grant to. >> Yeah, that's the difference.

[1:00:15] » Okay. >> So, why don't we get rid of it? And

[1:00:19] » what are you going to replace it with? >> EMTs and ambulances that work for the

[1:00:23] town. >> That's right. I don't understand. If

[1:00:27] they're if they're being funded by the town, why?

[1:00:30] » No, the LA le is not being funded by the town. What they get paid? They're

[1:00:34] earning that through the >> most of it. They're earning out of the

[1:00:37] revenue they're generating from medical calls.

[1:00:39] » All right. >> And we're supplementing it.

[1:00:42] » Supplement. They're just they're running out of the fire department. Right.

[1:00:45] » They're being paid. >> They're just being paid hourly.

[1:00:48] » Yes. >> That's it.

[1:00:49] » Yes. >> Yes.

[1:00:51] » And if they have enough money that they need a new ambulance like I think 2

[1:00:54] years ago or something, they bought a brand new ambulance

[1:00:57] » and then like I said, they got to furnish the I think the ambulance was

[1:00:59] what 400,000. >> Yeah. I missed.

[1:01:01] » So then it was another 200 furnish. Like I said, just a stretcher alone was over

[1:01:06] 50 grand. >> Yeah. But it's not like through the fire

[1:01:11] department, we just separate this thing. It is its own separate business. Some

[1:01:14] person owns it somewhere. We're just giving them funding.

[1:01:18] » It's a nonprofit, >> right, that makes profit.

[1:01:21] » Yeah. Well, >> all nonprofits want to make

[1:01:23] » We We get a We get a quarterly report from them.

[1:01:26] » Yeah. >> So, they tell us exactly what they're

[1:01:28] making, >> right?

[1:01:29] » And it hasn't been a lot. >> No.

[1:01:31] » You know, they're to the plus >> 5 $10,000.

[1:01:35] » Yeah. So, it's not much, but it's basically just

[1:01:37] » is it pretty much just EMTs. It's an organization setup that's separate, but

[1:01:41] there's no real It's the >> Can I take Let me give you the history

[1:01:47] on this and why this happened. >> Yeah.

[1:01:50] » Um >> when this first started,

[1:01:53] » um we were we were all we were all volunteers. The whole everything was all

[1:01:57] volunteers. >> Um

[1:02:00] whenever we would pick up a patient to transport them to the hospital, there's

[1:02:05] two categories, ALS and BLS. basic life support and ALS which is advanced life

[1:02:11] support we have to call for a medic out of Baptist hospital medics charge.

[1:02:18] » Yeah. >> So what they would do is they would they

[1:02:21] would come on board our ambulance by protocol and they would go and they

[1:02:25] would bill that patient. The problem is is that Medicare would not pay for the

[1:02:32] ALS service because Lisbon Fire Department was not a billing service. So

[1:02:37] we had to change the way we operate and become a billing service.

[1:02:41] » So you basically made a billable service to do this

[1:02:43] » right that we're a billing serable service so that Medicare Medicare

[1:02:49] insurance would pay these bills. >> Yeah.

[1:02:51] » I don't know how much you know how much Medicare or any insurance company

[1:02:54] actually pays. Yes. Well, that's right. It was an organizational thing to get

[1:02:59] that. >> Yes.

[1:03:00] » Yeah, that makes more sense. >> And the the option was to turn it over

[1:03:05] to American Ambulance, which would delay the response time because they'd be

[1:03:10] coming out of Norwich. >> Yeah.

[1:03:12] » Instead of, you know, being local. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, that makes sense. It's

[1:03:17] pretty much >> it's a business, but it's not really

[1:03:19] » All right. Any other discussion on the motion? And the motion was

[1:03:24] » to increase 300 million >> 300,000 out of the surplus.

[1:03:29] » And I second it. >> Yes.

[1:03:33] » And that is the recommendation to the public hearing.

[1:03:36] » Correct. >> Those in favor sign I

[1:03:40] » opposed. I Okay. Uh motion passes 51.

[1:03:48] » 42. >> Oh 42. 42.

[1:03:51] Okay. Now, what do you want to do with the $118,000

[1:03:56] deficit?

[1:04:01] » I'll make a motion to take the 118 out of the board of ed budget being we've

[1:04:05] already found 80,000. >> I second.

[1:04:09] » Can Can I Can I >> Yeah. Where where's the Just so I'm on

[1:04:13] the same page and also I think the public would like to know as well. um

[1:04:18] the 80,000 on the board of eds with >> 55,000 for the free breakfastes and then

[1:04:22] the rest of it was out of capital gains >> 55

[1:04:25] » the capital improvements >> capital improvements I'm sorry they're

[1:04:28] going to get them anyway >> so the capital improvements those are

[1:04:30] the one time they're talking yeah they're going to come over to

[1:04:33] » so that's that's the painting of the lines that's the painting the new room

[1:04:36] that's also >> No no no new room to be painted they

[1:04:39] painted that last year >> painted that last year

[1:04:42] » if I could touch base on that 300 the 3,000 to paint the rooms is sort of

[1:04:47] annual because we do have to paint 50 rooms. So every year we try to pay 32 as

[1:04:52] Brian. >> Okay.

[1:04:53] » Um 10,000 absolutely is in the board of education budget and if the other

[1:04:59] projects funded through the capital side absolutely can come out but that's the

[1:05:04] only capital improvement project >> in the board of ed budget that is also

[1:05:08] on that uh capital improvement. That's the only project.

[1:05:12] » Okay Jonathan just so you're clear. >> Yeah. We cannot tell them what to cut.

[1:05:17] » What to cut? Yep. We can only say you cut by one, right? Yes. Understood.

[1:05:23] » So Wayne, the numbers you gave originally were 55

[1:05:26] » for the breakfast. >> Yes.

[1:05:28] » 10 for the parking lot for the additional repairs to the

[1:05:33] kitchen equipment. Hold on. >> Okay. So that had nothing to do with the

[1:05:35] painting. >> So So I I do I do have a question about

[1:05:37] the the the free breakfast. >> Yes.

[1:05:39] » Um so we're saying we we're not telling them what to cut, right? like,

[1:05:45] » but you're saying we easily found 80,000 that we can do away with.

[1:05:48] » That's correct. >> So, on the topic of affordability,

[1:05:51] right, if we're talking about mill increases and this and that and we're

[1:05:56] going back and forth over $5 a month, I can tell you if we're the town spending

[1:06:00] $55,000 in aggregate for all of those students to make sure their bellies are

[1:06:03] full in the morning, I can tell you if we shift that over to the household,

[1:06:06] it's going to cost a lot more than $5. >> Well, that program is already in place,

[1:06:10] » right? So, we're saying if we get rid of it,

[1:06:11] » No, it's not. No, we we won't get rid of the substance.

[1:06:14] » No, no, no. We can't get rid of it. No, no, no, no, no.

[1:06:16] » Right. So, >> it's there for people that that are

[1:06:19] eligible for it. It's there, >> right?

[1:06:21] » But the other kids were there for everybody.

[1:06:24] » For everybody. >> For everybody. So, the point is we're

[1:06:28] saying some people can afford or feed them at home or whatever,

[1:06:32] » right? >> Or aford to feed them after school.

[1:06:34] » But if if we're talking if we're talking about, you know, the the mill increase

[1:06:38] or not >> Mhm.

[1:06:39] » Right. And the difference between a half mil

[1:06:43] or a quarter mill is like $5. If we gave free lunch to everybody

[1:06:48] that's going to call or not free lunch, free breakfast, my apologies, to

[1:06:52] everybody. That shifts the burden of a much bigger

[1:06:57] expense. I mean, even when I was at LCS, >> that there's a there's a state budget

[1:07:04] that that we don't have an answer to right now that would provide that. And

[1:07:08] if we've already budgeted it, >> the board of ed gets to keep it even if

[1:07:12] the state reimbures the the tenant. >> Okay, I understand where you're coming

[1:07:17] from. >> So, so that's why we thought if they

[1:07:19] took that out, you know, I mean, I guess I don't know how it works, but we maybe

[1:07:23] we can make a decision. >> Yeah, you make a contingency and say,

[1:07:26] hey, look, are we allowed to do that? Are we are we allowed to say that hey if

[1:07:29] the state approves >> you know that we have to say if they

[1:07:33] don't approve >> we could fund it at that

[1:07:37] » they could come back later >> I I don't know they come they come

[1:07:41] they're asking for $59100 for special education

[1:07:46] » that's great we have to do it we have to do it but don't come and ask us for

[1:07:51] $850,000 say oh you know what I feel like let's go $55,000 in that's exactly

[1:07:55] how the $55,000 got in there because it was a board member that wanted it in

[1:07:59] there. >> Okay.

[1:08:01] » Yeah. So, as far as that program, the way I see it,

[1:08:06] » since the state already has a program, >> so instead of guessing who basically

[1:08:12] just off the numbers, who actually makes what amount of money can they afford to

[1:08:17] feed their kids breakfast? The state already has a program that they apply

[1:08:20] for. And if they actually can't, they're saying, "Oh, look, we only make this

[1:08:23] much. We can't afford it. >> The school provides their breakfast."

[1:08:26] » Yeah. the ones that don't get it, it's because if they applied, they make

[1:08:31] enough money in the state saying yes, you can afford to buy your kids

[1:08:35] breakfast. So that's the way I see it. There are people that can't afford

[1:08:38] » to pay for the kids >> and they're eligible right now today.

[1:08:41] » Yeah. >> And every and the only other town that

[1:08:43] may do this is knowledge. None of the other towns around here offer this free

[1:08:46] breakfast for all their students. >> Something uh superintendent has

[1:08:52] something. >> Oh, it's just a question. Maybe a dumb

[1:08:54] question. So, I really don't know the answer. I'm not setting anyone up.

[1:08:58] » So, well, so thank you. But >> is there a way if we did the 55? I'm not

[1:09:06] saying if we did it and it came through with the state, is there a way of giving

[1:09:11] you the money back? >> No, you just asked that question.

[1:09:14] » I was asking allocate once we allocate the money to you, it becomes part of the

[1:09:19] MBR. >> So, so that means we would, you know,

[1:09:22] our budget for the school. Yeah. But but but but if we chose later if the

[1:09:27] governor doesn't sign that in, we could >> she could always come back and ask

[1:09:32] something. >> So that's what you meant by contingency.

[1:09:34] » Yeah. They put a contingency, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If there was a

[1:09:36] contingency, we put a contingency and say, "Hey, if the state doesn't pass it,

[1:09:40] boom, here's your money." Um my other question to to to you guys, if you have

[1:09:44] the information, what percentage of our student body is is receiving free

[1:09:48] breakfast income? >> It's mid30s, I believe.

[1:09:50] » Mid30s. >> Yeah. Yeah. We we went over the

[1:09:52] threshold, so to speak. >> Okay.

[1:09:56] » So, my my second my second question, my followup to that would be what are the

[1:09:59] direct administrative costs associated with keeping track of who's on it, who's

[1:10:03] not on top of it? Because if those costs are 10 20 grand, the net economic impact

[1:10:09] is not the 55, it's actually 35 in that hypothe Well, no, because we we're going

[1:10:13] to have to we're going to have to report all that to the state anyways.

[1:10:17] » Correct. Otherwise, we're not going to reimburse those. understood.

[1:10:20] » And they netted that out with the 55 is only an increase to the

[1:10:25] breakfast line, >> right? Okay.

[1:10:27] » They were already taking money out of out of out of

[1:10:30] » savings account to pay for a substantial increase in both budgets,

[1:10:34] » right? >> Um so it doesn't make sense to have that

[1:10:37] 55 grand in there. >> Yeah. But to Wayne's point, we can't

[1:10:40] tell them what to cut. We just how much? >> That doesn't mean they they're going to

[1:10:43] cut it. They can go they want. They can do whatever they

[1:10:47] want. Are we giving him the bottom line of $118,000 cut? And he second it.

[1:10:52] » I would ask that you amend the motion to either increase the cut to $118,32

[1:11:01] or we remove $32 from the town >> because the total deficit is is 118.

[1:11:08] » I'll renew the motion to $118,032.

[1:11:13] » I second. >> Okay. Any other discussion?

[1:11:20] » Jonathan, my shit's back. >> Hearing none.

[1:11:22] » I just got to say I have one. >> Yes.

[1:11:24] » So, we started the day and I've talked to several members. We started the day

[1:11:28] looking at a $40,000 cut. Now, we got $118,000 cut. The town gets no cut,

[1:11:36] right? Is that is that how we're >> That's the motion on the table.

[1:11:39] » All right. Great. Thanks. >> I mean, it's still going to public

[1:11:41] hearing, so it it's >> And this isn't the final. This this is

[1:11:46] only the recommendation to the public >> public hearing.

[1:11:50] » Okay. >> And I think the other thing that needs

[1:11:53] to be brought out is you know the impression is that every dollar we get

[1:11:58] for the board of ed we just frivolously throw it away and and keep in mind that

[1:12:04] we give money back year after year. For this year and last year we struggled to

[1:12:11] not come back for more money. And right now sitting here, we're just praying we

[1:12:18] have enough dollars to get to the end of the year. This is not frivolous

[1:12:22] spending. You know, every penny is accounted for. And if you think the

[1:12:28] Buddhist select men don't have any places to cut, we have even fewer places

[1:12:34] to cut. >> I know it's not a competition and it

[1:12:38] shouldn't be, but they present it as a competition.

[1:12:43] » All right. Any other comments? >> Well, I'll just say one more thing. So,

[1:12:46] we have been uh very reluctant to come back to this board for additional

[1:12:52] appropriations. I think we've done it once in the last 15 years.

[1:12:56] » Correct. >> Once in 16

[1:12:58] » and we've been eating that $92,000 threshold every year because we get new

[1:13:03] students every year that don't meet the threshold. Right. I'll be back.

[1:13:09] » Yeah. I >> Thanks.

[1:13:10] » Yeah. I'm going to go too, but thank you so much. I would like to say, is this

[1:13:14] board doing anything to look at what we need to do legislatively in Hartford to

[1:13:20] prevent the railroading that's happening to our taxpayers right now? Because it

[1:13:24] affecting the students is is abysmal to me. So, what are we doing? Because we

[1:13:29] just instituted a legislative committee. I want to know what you guys are going

[1:13:33] to do to work with us to make sure that this impact doesn't continue to grow and

[1:13:37] grow and grow every year. Like we need to band together in Hartford to stop

[1:13:42] what's happening to us. >> That really

[1:13:46] » is there anything we can do? Cuz that's what I think. See that there

[1:13:49] » we cannot hear you. >> All right. Is there anything we can do?

[1:13:55] Because I agree. That's what I think this whole thing is that there are state

[1:13:59] requirements and it seems like there's no money or no way to actually meet them

[1:14:04] and it seems being suppressed. Is there anything we can do?

[1:14:08] They're doing something. What can we do? And obviously, we're all volunteers. How

[1:14:12] much time do we have to do it? >> The only thing we can do really is is um

[1:14:18] » get together with other towns. >> Yeah.

[1:14:20] » We don't have a voice big enough to out, you know, yell Hartford and Bridgeport

[1:14:26] and Waterberry. >> Yeah.

[1:14:27] » Um >> this is not just the school. I mean,

[1:14:29] think about the the extra >> right

[1:14:31] » cost of extra election days. That's a huge burden on the table.

[1:14:35] » It is and it's ridiculous early voting. Absolutely.

[1:14:39] » But they tell you you have to do it >> for even for our, you know, our local

[1:14:42] things. We have to do it. And it's just, it's terrible burden on us.

[1:14:46] » Yeah. >> Unfunded mandates.

[1:14:50] » The only way to do it is get enough small towns together to have an equal

[1:14:54] voice to the other towns, the larger cities.

[1:14:58] » All right. So, >> I guess that's all you have to do. Start

[1:15:01] » what you're going to do and follow town. Will my chair send an email to let them

[1:15:05] know what our next legislative committee is and y'all are invited and we'll come

[1:15:09] out. Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:15:12] » All right. Uh I'll take a mo. All those in favor signal by saying I

[1:15:18] » opposed. I >> I

[1:15:22] 42. >> Okay. Now let's go on to the capital

[1:15:27] budget.

[1:15:32] All right. This is just

[1:15:50] Are we only having a conversation about fiscal year 2027 right now?

[1:15:55] » Well, we can do anything we want. >> Let's just do 2027 so we can go home

[1:16:00] tonight. Yeah. Um

[1:16:06] » now if we depending on you know what we decide on this we're we're having the

[1:16:11] conversation that we we will control this.

[1:16:15] » Yes. >> So so if we want more bids for something

[1:16:18] if we want to question a cost on something we can do that. Okay.

[1:16:22] » Yes. >> Which I know at least one of them

[1:16:25] Brian's already getting a second quote on. But it's just that specific type of

[1:16:29] water heater is really expensive to buy. >> Okay.

[1:16:32] » And it's the because it serves the shower that's the shelter.

[1:16:36] » It's the only reason it's the only appliance on it that requires a higher

[1:16:41] flow rate which is why it's oil fired. Um so basically you have a power vtor,

[1:16:47] you have a burner. It's not just like an electric water heater that would cost

[1:16:50] $500. This this is expensive to put in. >> And what is it for a shower for what?

[1:16:55] Uh, I think it feeds the shower. The new origin bath marine has a shower and I

[1:16:59] think it's also kind of like a shelter >> like emergency shelter if there's a

[1:17:04] » Yeah. So it's >> hurricane or something.

[1:17:06] » Yeah. It's 10 years old. They got their money's worth out of it.

[1:17:09] » Yeah. >> And that and that one is the um 9985.

[1:17:14] Is that the one we're talking about? >> Yep. 30 gallon.

[1:17:17] » Okay.

[1:17:21] » The only other thing Let's see. replace six exhaust fans. That quote

[1:17:29] actually a little different. I think it was higher last time I saw it unless I

[1:17:33] saw it. Not all that 25. >> That's crazy.

[1:17:37] » Yeah. So, I think a big problem with the numbers

[1:17:40] is the town doesn't have anyone in the skilled trade on payroll.

[1:17:46] These exhaust fans, um, usually I swap them. It take like

[1:17:52] two, three hours. depends on what kind of fan you buy. You know, less than two

[1:17:57] grand per fan. >> Um if this is going on top of like the

[1:18:01] kitchen, >> that's a different story.

[1:18:04] » Yeah. I mean, well, >> yeah, cuz it's got to have grease

[1:18:06] recovery and everything else in it. >> Yeah.

[1:18:08] » Um if it's going somewhere else and we have to know where we are if this looks

[1:18:12] really reasonable. >> Is it on here? Did you

[1:18:16] » get in there for sex,000?

[1:18:26] That's what

[1:18:31] the fan is located.

[1:18:35] » Okay.

[1:18:41] » I see I see one.

[1:18:50] » I don't know where it is. Okay.

[1:18:55] » I would suggest we fund the um dishwasher.

[1:19:00] » Mhm. >> The parking lot and the water heater.

[1:19:06] » Now, I I do have a question on on on the water heater, right? If it's an

[1:19:10] emergency shelter, is there any grants we can apply for through the state or

[1:19:14] through the federal government, through FEMA perhaps that says that can offset

[1:19:18] our burden, our $10,000 burden? >> We can ask them.

[1:19:21] » I think that's research that I think that's something we should look into.

[1:19:24] » Wayne, you said the dishwasher, >> dishwasher, the parking lot,

[1:19:28] » and what was the other one? >> And the water heater,

[1:19:30] » the 30 gallon water heater. Okay. >> At a minimum, there might be a rebate if

[1:19:34] we change the fuel source. >> Correct.

[1:19:38] We got a propane 50 in every source rebate.

[1:19:40] » Yeah, >> it depends on where it is.

[1:19:44] » Um, >> but how much additional cost would we

[1:19:47] have to incur? >> I think they fuel sources.

[1:19:49] » I think they have to get more quotes on the uh

[1:19:52] » on the exhaust fans. >> Gotcha. And then compare

[1:19:55] » we only have how many do we have right now?

[1:19:58] » It's

[1:20:01] most of them one quote per vegetarian number but there's six fans with six

[1:20:05] different quotes. >> Gotcha. But yes, the job would go

[1:20:08] forward based on the thresholds of of the dollar, we have to have whether it's

[1:20:11] three quotes, three estimates. >> Gotcha. Okay. Right. Yeah. So just just

[1:20:15] additional bids we're waiting on. So that's what you're saying.

[1:20:19] » Yeah. I would say let them come back and um

[1:20:24] » What about the AC for the library? >> No.

[1:20:31] » And that's so they're going to have to put that in their budget. Well, they can

[1:20:35] always come back to us, but I think um

[1:20:40] » can I just ask >> I have to you know I have a serious

[1:20:42] question for that amount. >> We based we based everything that we

[1:20:46] were talking about thank you on the 159 the 160

[1:20:50] » right >> meaning that we were going to

[1:20:55] fund that. So, now you're saying that we didn't we're not going to play with the

[1:20:59] um uh library AC, >> correct? I I'm I've got some concerns on

[1:21:06] that quote. >> That is a ton of money for repairs.

[1:21:11] » Okay. Um >> D, can you tell them some of the

[1:21:14] problems we have with the scient where it's not just

[1:21:20] » that's this I don't know if this one is a replacement.

[1:21:24] » He's got something to say. >> Yeah. So that that particular unit is a

[1:21:26] repair. Uh to replace it is is we were quoted roughly north of 120,000.

[1:21:32] » That is extremely low gas that that AC utilizes as it leaks. It's extremely

[1:21:36] expensive to fill it. >> Uh we thought our best approach was to

[1:21:40] repair it for the 37,000 as opposed to spend 120,000 uh to to replace it.

[1:21:46] » Yeah. But if I could just ask you just for clarification, I I believe we the

[1:21:51] vote and the motion was to go to 300,000 the capital reserve to then fully fund

[1:21:55] all the repairs and then the board of today was asked to cut all of the

[1:21:59] reduction out of the budget. But now we're not going to fund all the capital

[1:22:02] improvement projects. I just >> That wasn't the motion.

[1:22:04] » No, it wasn't the motion. That was that was the intent. That was

[1:22:07] » that was not the motion. So >> yeah, but that was the intent when we

[1:22:10] did that. >> Well,

[1:22:13] we took out of the education budget. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:22:16] » We have improvements out of the education budget to lower it

[1:22:19] » because we've asked you to cut 118. >> Now it's in here,

[1:22:23] » right? I think you might have been out of the room.

[1:22:26] » Now when you're saying we're not going to pay, we're not going to fund

[1:22:30] » the library uh AC. >> Wait a minute.

[1:22:33] » Well, this is just what he's saying. >> What I'm saying is that I have no

[1:22:38] problem with those three and I think we should fund them.

[1:22:40] » Okay. >> Which three is that again? I'm sorry for

[1:22:42] leaving the room. >> The conveyor dishwasher. the dishwasher,

[1:22:45] » parking lot, >> the parking lot, and the hot water.

[1:22:48] » Okay. >> And and if we approve the hot water, I'm

[1:22:52] all in favor for that. Can we see if there's any sort of grant money that

[1:22:55] FEMA is offering or anything like that since it is also used as a shelter, even

[1:23:00] if we get reimbursed 10%. Hey, that's a grand. We didn't have,

[1:23:04] » you know, I I don't know whose responsib I don't know if it's your responsibility

[1:23:08] or if it's somebody at the town or whatever, but

[1:23:11] » that was part of the deal with the 300,000

[1:23:15] mil, >> right?

[1:23:16] » No, I I would ask that they go back and get some cut and dry pricing on the AC

[1:23:23] because how old is that unit? >> I don't have the exact age, but I would

[1:23:28] have known that. Um, it's it's just old. That's what I know. I know it's

[1:23:32] » I can't see putting $37,000 $38,000 into a 25y old unit.

[1:23:40] » Their estimate was that the leaking would cost us around 15,000 annually to

[1:23:44] maintain the leak. So if it continued to leak to buy the gas to maintain it was

[1:23:50] going to be about 15,000. >> So if we don't touch it, that's an

[1:23:53] expense that we're going to incur that's not in our budget.

[1:23:55] » Right. But what I'm saying is that you're talking about a 25 year old 20 25

[1:24:01] year old unit >> at that point. Just replace it for 125.

[1:24:04] » Correct. Yeah. >> Okay. If you replace it, we're do for

[1:24:07] the science room. We explain the problem we have replacing.

[1:24:09] » I think that's why the quote's high >> because they're so I think the the idea

[1:24:13] is their quote for replacing is over 100,000 because of same issues.

[1:24:18] » Yeah. Same issues. >> You got structural issues. You got to

[1:24:21] get a certified engineer. You got to there's a whole bone of stuff that goes

[1:24:26] into this and the town already voted down doing the

[1:24:30] » uh uh air conditioning wind >> uh

[1:24:34] » but I just think that throwing 38,000 almost $40,000 into a 25y old

[1:24:41] » the replacement was >> north of 120.

[1:24:45] » Yeah. So let her get firm quotes on that. Uh, make sure that you're getting

[1:24:49] energy efficient quotes, >> rebates, grants,

[1:24:53] » because there are rebates from Eversource.

[1:24:55] » Yeah. >> And the other thing you need to do,

[1:24:57] » and they can be up to a third of the cost.

[1:24:59] » Yeah. >> You're going to have to talk to um

[1:25:01] » Good point, >> right?

[1:25:04] » The building inspector, >> cuz he's going to require an engineering

[1:25:07] stamp >> to put a new unit in, cuz that's what

[1:25:10] we're going through in the science room, right?

[1:25:12] » And the price of poker just went way up. >> It's not going to be what you think. C

[1:25:18] can I ask one quick question? I know the following year

[1:25:22] we're looking at hopefully grant money to replace the to put an in install HVAC

[1:25:27] in a cafeteria in gym. Is there any way we can piggy bank the three of them and

[1:25:32] » save the town shut down? >> Yeah, but they're looking at putting

[1:25:36] that that back on the >> Yeah. And for 28.

[1:25:40] » Yeah. No, but what Ry's saying is was it last year or the year before? We had we

[1:25:45] had a vote on putting that in and the town shot it down.

[1:25:48] » Okay. >> So, but but they're looking at getting

[1:25:50] grant money to do it >> and they and they can also to cover 80

[1:25:55] 85%. >> Right.

[1:25:57] » And the town says no, we don't want to do that. So now we're going to have to

[1:26:01] eat this, >> right?

[1:26:02] » I thought it was real quick. >> This is a no winner.

[1:26:06] » Who's that? >> The AC and the grant. So we did have

[1:26:09] conversation uh superintendent Kitty and Brian and myself and that grant project

[1:26:15] uh we would look to be getting um state senator to write a letter of support so

[1:26:19] that we receive an 80% funding but according to the state uh the office

[1:26:25] that uh approves the school construction grants um you have to put up the full

[1:26:30] dollar amount first pay for the project and then receive hopefully 80% of

[1:26:35] reimbursement rate. I believe we might be able to do that library one the way

[1:26:39] maybe you know um >> you can do it under the federal grant or

[1:26:42] the state grant >> even though you're replacing an existing

[1:26:45] as opposed to the other two would be bridge

[1:26:46] » yes >> okay

[1:26:47] » yes so they could put that through there which would mean that would reduce the

[1:26:51] cost of whatever it is by 50%. Hey Ray, I have a question. Um, rooftop

[1:26:57] units patching free on lines, soldering, anything. Anyone do that?

[1:27:04] » Um, cuz I don't really see it too often if they have a refrigerant leak and it's

[1:27:09] just in the coil lines or somewhere. Um, you think we could find someone to get a

[1:27:15] patch to just try to patch it, solder it, whatever.

[1:27:18] » How old is this unit? >> 20.

[1:27:19] » I don't know if he's >> It was when I was a kid, actually, when

[1:27:22] they did the media center. So, so it's probably refrigerant 22 and they haven't

[1:27:26] made that since 1996. >> Yeah. Which is probably why the gas is

[1:27:29] so expensive. >> Yeah. So to patch it last year possible.

[1:27:34] That's >> I know Brian has present Brian and the

[1:27:37] contractor have discussed this cuz this unit has you know we attempted to repair

[1:27:40] it. So patching and all these things have been presented.

[1:27:43] » Uh this is >> but the refrigerant lines are leaking

[1:27:46] and it's a solder joint. That's not a complicated thing to do to fix. I think

[1:27:51] that's what what Dave's asking. >> Yeah, at least fix it to limit it to

[1:27:56] 2027. >> If it's just the lines that are leaking,

[1:27:58] they should be able to fix them. >> Yeah. Again, I wasn't perfect to that

[1:28:02] conversation between Ryan coils. If it's the coils, that's

[1:28:06] » I could because there was a I know there was a problem in that route.

[1:28:10] » The coils, that's a whole different game. Then that's not easy.

[1:28:12] » Do you think this >> is to replace basically? If it was that

[1:28:16] simple, I know we would have taken care of it because I know this because again,

[1:28:19] this is costing us money annually. >> That's not enough.

[1:28:22] » When you mention the coils, I'm pretty positive that's where the problem.

[1:28:26] » But I my personal opinion is we need to we should be replacing this unit. We

[1:28:31] shouldn't be catching >> we tried to do it.

[1:28:34] » If anybody knows, do you need to do maintenance work schools? You know,

[1:28:38] » this is a different one. >> There was the gym library,

[1:28:40] » right? This is the live media center that I I would suggest that we go

[1:28:47] tomorrow night approving >> the three.

[1:28:51] » Monday, >> the dishwasher,

[1:28:56] » the parking lot, and the water heater. >> Yes.

[1:28:59] » Send them back to do more research on the on the media center.

[1:29:03] » Okay. So, the three was the >> dishwasher for 65,000.

[1:29:10] » Yep. Mhm. >> What was the other one? The hot water

[1:29:13] heater. >> Hot water heater.

[1:29:14] » 10. >> 10.

[1:29:15] » And what was the third one? >> The parking lot at 16.

[1:29:18] » 16 or 135. >> 16 is what?

[1:29:22] » Wait, I thought you said it was also 10. >> No. So it's

[1:29:25] » So what we did was the full to to seal strife the parking lot. The full cost is

[1:29:31] $16,000. >> 165. Correct. We only have 10 in our

[1:29:35] budget in the case that doesn't pass as just a band-aid to paint do whatever we

[1:29:39] could to improve the park. >> So you're looking at 165. Okay. Okay.

[1:29:43] » All right. Which comes out to about 91. >> 91. Exactly. Okay.

[1:29:49] » 91 that for the >> We agreed to have it taken out of their

[1:29:52] budget. We got to we got to pay it. >> Yeah.

[1:29:54] » We got to do it. So, we're getting we're getting quotes for or we want we're

[1:29:59] requesting them getting quotes for the AC in the library and the exhaust.

[1:30:04] » Get more information to us on that. >> Okay.

[1:30:07] » Cuz I really It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend

[1:30:11] almost $40,000 to repair a 25-y old piece of equipment.

[1:30:15] » How about the exhaust fans? >> More quotes.

[1:30:17] » I think they need to get more quotes. >> I think they're $30,000. Wow.

[1:30:24] » Yeah. So, Green Heck, that's the same brand I switched to for McDonald's. So,

[1:30:28] I'll see how much they're paying to put these in. And if there's a rebate, they

[1:30:34] have a more efficient motor in their direct drive.

[1:30:36] » Correct. If >> there could be rebates, huh?

[1:30:38] » Yeah. So, maybe there's a rebate to try to

[1:30:41] » We need to get this information before the town meeting.

[1:30:44] » Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[1:30:46] » Because it's not fair that the public we're hammering them with burden and

[1:30:50] we're not funding what we said we' >> fund. But we are funding what we said we

[1:30:53] would fund. >> No, we're not. We're not doing the AC's.

[1:30:56] » They didn't take the AC out of We didn't take the AC out of their budget.

[1:30:59] » No, no. He's He's saying that when we said we would fund the 159,

[1:31:04] » right? You're right. >> We're not.

[1:31:06] » You're right. >> And I have a problem with that.

[1:31:08] » No, I I agree with you. You're right. You're right.

[1:31:10] » And if I could just say one thing, and I apologize to not be a stapler here. I

[1:31:14] just feel like my due diligence to stick up for the board of education. Um, by

[1:31:19] not repairing that one AC bill in the library. Now, we are incurring $15,000

[1:31:24] of expenses next year. >> Got it.

[1:31:26] » So, >> but we're and we're reducing

[1:31:29] » we're at this point. We're not saying we're not going to fund it.

[1:31:33] » What we're saying is we would prefer that you replace the unit and you need

[1:31:38] to come back to us with firm quotes on replacing the unit with and an energy

[1:31:44] efficient unit that will meet the rebate stuff from from Eversource. Okay. And

[1:31:51] you should be able to apply for the grant.

[1:31:56] » Right. Right. >> Which is an extremely lengthy process

[1:31:59] though and probably will not happen. It certainly won't happen within the uh AC

[1:32:04] season, let's call it. >> So we will be incurring that that cost.

[1:32:08] That's all I just wanted to point out with because these are not part of the

[1:32:11] town's budget versus capital. >> Let's get the figures together. Can we

[1:32:14] come back to you on a monthly basis if you will like anytime throughout the

[1:32:17] year we can present the updated figures for approval from the

[1:32:20] » Well, I look at it this way. All right. Um

[1:32:25] first of all the um

[1:32:30] the repairs up through July 1st or in this current budget

[1:32:36] that you're already operating on. Okay. Um the school is closed until end of

[1:32:44] August. Okay. So if we need the fund and temporary repair,

[1:32:49] you know, to get you through, then we can look at doing that. Okay. The in the

[1:32:55] meantime, we need to you need to get figures together on a replacement unit

[1:33:01] that would meet the Eversource standards. Um well, one that won't and

[1:33:06] one that will. Okay? and what the rebates from Eversource are going to be.

[1:33:11] Okay. Then we can turn around and decide which way we want to go. Um whether

[1:33:17] we're going to fund the repairs or we're going to uh fund a replacement. Okay. Um

[1:33:24] meanwhile, once we decide whichever which you need to do quickly, you can

[1:33:29] apply for the grant. Okay. Um, and if we've got to fund uh

[1:33:35] some repairs to that for the AC side, um, to get you through until October and

[1:33:41] November, um, then you're only going to have heat

[1:33:44] after that point until the following summer. So, we do have some time to get

[1:33:48] a replacement >> and and but that grant process is like a

[1:33:51] six-month minimum because it does have to clear a board's budget that has uh

[1:33:55] the board of selectman's budget and that's what your budget that you know

[1:33:59] the dollar amounts. Well, it does not have to clear the board's budget.

[1:34:02] » Well, the board has to approve it before we can pass along.

[1:34:05] » The board has to pass a resolution um or the town has to pass a resolution

[1:34:11] ordering the superintendent to apply for the grant,

[1:34:16] » right? We also have, >> right? That's why I'm saying get your

[1:34:21] get your quotes together so we can act on this and have it before the town

[1:34:25] meeting >> Monday.

[1:34:27] » No. >> Oh, tell me. public hearing

[1:34:30] » public hearing >> when oh the town week

[1:34:33] » May 1st but that was sort of my question for the

[1:34:37] process that we're not going to fund tonight or at least we're not going to

[1:34:39] include a motion >> are you saying those have to be

[1:34:43] presented to you prior to the town meeting don't happen

[1:34:46] » would be better off to prevent >> they were yes

[1:34:49] » then they could be presented to the town this is exact dollar amount

[1:34:52] » they don't have to we can always hold an additional town meeting but that's an

[1:34:56] additional expense my foot. >> Okay.

[1:35:00] » Yep. >> Just one comment. Um, working in a

[1:35:03] science lab. >> Mhm.

[1:35:05] » And the air conditioning system that's in that room,

[1:35:10] we were looking at replacing it with this project. And inevitably, we can't

[1:35:15] replace it right now because if we were going to change it for the building

[1:35:20] official, we need to bring the new unit up to the new codes.

[1:35:25] » Correct. And by doing that, we need to hire engineers to engineer stamp the

[1:35:30] roof to make sure it can certify that it can hold the weight of the units to

[1:35:35] support everything. That's probably going to happen here too

[1:35:39] » for this project. >> Yeah,

[1:35:40] » sure. >> And adding those engineering stamps.

[1:35:44] » Yes, >> we got quotes. Weren't those quotes like

[1:35:48] 60 to $70,000? Yeah.

[1:35:51] » 60 to 70,000 was a budget basically to avoid that was to install a separate ERV

[1:35:58] inducted in. >> Right. But what was the engineering

[1:36:01] stamps? >> Oh, they Oh, to do it the whole way with

[1:36:04] new units. We were told it would cost as much as the entire project

[1:36:08] over $200,000 to put air conditioning in a science lab.

[1:36:12] » But it depends on what you have up there. I think you're talking about two

[1:36:15] different units. >> Okay. My belief is that the one on the

[1:36:19] media center is a curb mounted. Okay? So, as long as your weight for the

[1:36:24] old unit and the new one don't significantly alter and they're going to

[1:36:28] drop it right on the same curbing, >> the support is there for different.

[1:36:32] That's what we were looking at doing here. We couldn't

[1:36:35] » That one was condenser only on the roof. Everything else below.

[1:36:39] » So, it was adding everything on the roof plus the makeup air. But the one in the

[1:36:43] library might already have makeup air, >> right? So, we have to know.

[1:36:48] » That's why they got some research to do. >> So, there's a lot of research that needs

[1:36:51] to be done. >> Yeah.

[1:36:52] » It may just be a control issue to update with the new unit if it moves air the

[1:36:57] way that they want. It might just be something that like motion detectors

[1:37:02] that then shut the unit down or bring it down or something like that. So, it may

[1:37:06] not be as bad. It's still expensive. It's a bigger unit. It's still going to

[1:37:09] be expensive, >> right? But it would be better to replace

[1:37:12] it than to I it sounds like they want to replace the coils and make it work on

[1:37:18] new refrigerator. That's the only thing I could see costing this much.

[1:37:21] » Yeah, but to replace the coils, you got to put the TXVs, the valves, everything

[1:37:26] else. >> You're rebinating

[1:37:31] and it's going to destroy the new unit. >> Yeah.

[1:37:34] » Yeah. So, it probably sounds like it would be

[1:37:37] better to try to replace it, which >> um as far as I'm concerned,

[1:37:43] » it would be better than what they're asking for. Let's see if we can make it

[1:37:46] work to get them more. >> Have to do it in a timely manner because

[1:37:50] » if you bring this up after budget season, after raising taxes, I guarantee

[1:37:54] it will not fly. >> Yeah. Yeah. We've had that happen

[1:37:56] already. The first time we've lived the dream.

[1:37:59] » Yeah. 18 to 16. >> We've already said we were going to fund

[1:38:02] the 159. If we're going to replace the air conditioning, if that's the plan,

[1:38:08] then we need to move so that when we go to

[1:38:11] » the town >> the town meeting,

[1:38:12] » right, >> we have we have enough information so

[1:38:15] the the taxpayer can pay off >> and then we're fair to them, too.

[1:38:21] » Yeah. >> Is that is that a realistic amount of

[1:38:23] time to get the required quotes and everything?

[1:38:26] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Easily. If we're if we're if we

[1:38:29] were at one point >> possibly considering 500 from the

[1:38:34] reoccurring recurring whatever and now we're saying 300

[1:38:38] » and it's not going to affect their mill rate for us to put it through maybe that

[1:38:43] would be >> this this air conditioner will we're

[1:38:45] going this will cost a lot more >> replacement. But whether you approved a

[1:38:51] $400,000 and a mill increase tonight or you did the 300, either way, we're going

[1:38:56] to pay for this thing. >> Well, no. What I'm saying is what I'm

[1:38:59] saying is if it's 379 on here for that AC and he's saying 120 or something. Is

[1:39:06] that what you're saying? >> To replace

[1:39:08] » to replace it. That's $100,000 more. >> Yes.

[1:39:12] » Which is the difference between the 300 and the 400 and the 500. And that's if

[1:39:16] it doesn't require any engineering or anything else like that because that's

[1:39:19] what we ran into in the >> sign. Gotcha.

[1:39:21] » Correct. >> Okay.

[1:39:22] » Mhm. >> Okay.

[1:39:26] » Cuz we'll probably have to come back for that too.

[1:39:28] » Whether you do it this May 1st or you do it next May Bank first, only thing

[1:39:31] you're going to have happen is the price is going to go up.

[1:39:33] » So whether you leave the 200,000 alone in a surplus and get 7% interest, which

[1:39:37] is great. >> Mhm.

[1:39:39] » It's going to go up a lot more than 7%. Look what happened. Was it 4 years ago?

[1:39:42] We're getting we're getting we're getting three and 361 as of this week.

[1:39:46] Interest not seven. >> Oh, if it was 7 m about money from the

[1:39:51] general. >> How much was it when it got shut down?

[1:39:53] Four years ago. 3 years ago. >> 400,000. How much?

[1:39:56] » 400,000. >> And what is it today?

[1:39:58] » Double something. >> It's almost double.

[1:40:00] » Doesn't include the engineering. >> Just

[1:40:04] talking. When you bring a capital budget to us

[1:40:08] number, it should include everything, >> right? I think if you remember the

[1:40:14] timeline of this was tight. >> Yeah. We put it

[1:40:16] » just make sure that cuz we don't want to go to the town and approve it and then

[1:40:21] all of a sudden you're coming back. Well, I need another 20,000 for

[1:40:23] engineering. >> And that's why we pushed that one back

[1:40:25] in there, too, just to make sure that >> um All right. So, um I believe there's

[1:40:31] Can I can I have a motion to add the those three items to the Monday um

[1:40:39] public hearing? >> Uh so

[1:40:42] » these three items of the >> dishwasher, parking lot, and the water

[1:40:46] heater. >> I'll make that

[1:40:47] » approved. >> Yes.

[1:40:49] » This is for Monday >> for the public.

[1:40:52] » Yeah. And I also I'd like you to add in the addendum that we want we we will

[1:40:56] fund these. >> Yes. Mhm.

[1:40:58] » Yes. >> So the tech so that everybody knows that

[1:41:00] that's get done. >> They will get done but we need more

[1:41:04] information on them. >> Okay.

[1:41:07] » You make I think the >> those words

[1:41:09] » 29,000 they got to get more quotes. >> Yeah.

[1:41:12] » Also >> for the exhaust fans.

[1:41:14] » Yes. For the exhaust fans >> because those could get those could get

[1:41:16] approved pretty quickly and they could get them done this year.

[1:41:19] » Yeah. Which is fine. But I mean that's an huge

[1:41:23] » it's a huge amount for the fans that they're asking for the amount of fans

[1:41:25] that are asking. But but if we aren't going to if we don't get to air

[1:41:28] condition this year, at least we've got a payment. We got the ball rolling. So

[1:41:31] that's why I want to make sure that that's covered when we tell it uh at the

[1:41:35] town hearing and town meeting. >> So people know that this is covered. The

[1:41:40] train's on the tracks. >> You want to make that motion

[1:41:43] » or add to it? We put it with a note that we were we're recommending the approval

[1:41:49] of the three items and noted that the repair to the AC unit uh and the HVAC

[1:41:57] fans um need additional quotes and information. Uh whether they're repair

[1:42:04] or replacement, >> either way they're going to get fixed.

[1:42:07] » Yeah. >> As long as that's in there.

[1:42:09] » Okay. I'll second it. I'll add that wording.

[1:42:13] » Okay. Any other discussion hearing? None. Those in favor sign by

[1:42:17] saying I. >> I.

[1:42:19] » Opposed. Hearing. No. Motion carries unanimously.

[1:42:23] You know what you got to do. >> Okay. Also, just um so everyone knows uh

[1:42:31] we do record these meetings. Put them on YouTube. I don't know anymore.

[1:42:35] » No, I I listen. I listen. >> She's still recording.

[1:42:38] » Yeah. We just don't talk about it. >> Yeah. No, I I I don't talk about

[1:42:42] » Yeah. No, which is great because you know in in my absence over the past you

[1:42:47] know little while I have been listening to them so they are they are helping

[1:42:51] the price for this new air conditioner instead of repairing the old ones.

[1:42:56] » Is that you who's supposed to be doing this?

[1:42:59] » The board of ed >> Oh the board that would be you and the

[1:43:02] maintenance department there. >> Okay.

[1:43:04] » Yep.

[1:43:07] » Okay. And make sure you come back with multiple quotes.

[1:43:11] » Okay. They have another problem up there. Brian's going to be meeting.

[1:43:16] » So, I don't know how much information for the structural part is.

[1:43:22] » They're going to need help. >> Who's your residence room director

[1:43:26] starting next week?

[1:43:30] » An interim build a facilities director. >> He's a new guy though.

[1:43:34] » I'm sorry. >> Not somebody if you're working at the

[1:43:37] school. Well, uh, he was a facilities director of the city of Ryan, uh, for

[1:43:40] his >> No, the problem is, uh, finding prints

[1:43:44] and everything. Brian knows where everything is and

[1:43:48] » a lot of that stuff in there. >> You're you're replacing the antiques. He

[1:43:52] knows where everything is and knows >> and he's not replaceable, right? To be

[1:43:56] clear, >> for you to do this, you got about a two

[1:43:59] week window with him. >> Yeah. And and they are they are meeting

[1:44:02] Monday morning. Please. >> Yeah, he's not leaving Monday. I'm sorry

[1:44:09] about >> who's leaving Monday morning.

[1:44:11] » No, no, no. Uh the interim facilities individual meeting Monday morning.

[1:44:19] » Yeah, Ken plays Bri. >> I would take advantage of Mr. Jolly too.

[1:44:24] » I would take advantage of him. He knows AC.

[1:44:27] » Right. Right. >> That would expedite things for you.

[1:44:32] Stay. >> Yeah. Wayne, you've done this too,

[1:44:34] right? >> He doesn't have anything else to do.

[1:44:37] » Yeah. Right. >> Um,

[1:44:43] » another just a quick comment on the uh the spreadsheets that we get sent out uh

[1:44:48] in emails when we're reviewing budgets and everything. Um, can that be sent as

[1:44:51] a copy of an Excel? >> Cuz when I play around with the numbers

[1:44:54] on my own, >> uh, can you just send send the file like

[1:44:58] just it's literally just a file. >> Okay. Um that that would be massively

[1:45:02] helpful because I spend probably two hours just trying to format the thing so

[1:45:05] I can play with the numbers. >> I'll ask.

[1:45:08] » Yeah, that would be that would be great. >> You don't have to send it to everybody,

[1:45:10] just the people who can do them. >> I will take a motion to approve the

[1:45:16] audit, the draft audit that was presented last last meeting.

[1:45:20] » I'll make that motion to approve. >> Second. Any discussion?

[1:45:25] » Hearing none. Those in favor signify by saying I.

[1:45:28] » I. >> Opposed. Another motion.

[1:45:32] » And uh I'll take a motion to adjourn. >> I'll make the motion. I said that.

[1:45:36] » Okay. We're journ. It's the time, please.

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