[0:10] Good evening and welcome to the little tin board of health meeting. Wednesday, August 26, 7pm. We'll begin with a discussion on private well regulations. I Kelly, would you like to lead us off and give us just an update and where we are in next steps? Yeah, sure. So I don't know if we have the, I think Kevin Davis holds the up to date. Well, regulations, is that true? He does not have access to them.

[0:41] He does not, so nobody does.

[0:43] I don't think so.

[0:45] I think they were in Francis's hands, and I'm not quite sure what we need to do to

[0:52] get into the OneDrive account he had access to, where those lived, or perhaps his desktop

[0:57] maybe you might reach out to him or-

[1:00] I can definitely reach out to him.

[1:02] There's nothing on our drive at work, and not the shared one drive either, but I haven't

[1:12] been able to see the most recent well-regulation.

[1:16] Dr. Wason.

[1:18] So, several meetings ago, we were doing a line-by-line edit with a discussion, and a board member,

[1:25] I thought it was Dan, was making the edits.

[1:29] Yes.

[1:31] I thought it had well and I forwarded it to Francis and I admit I cannot find on my computer,

[1:36] but at the end of that meeting I may not have, but to the best of my recollection I had

[1:44] in fact forwarded it to Francis at the end of that meeting.

[1:48] Okay.

[1:49] So I think you then forwarded that email to, I think myself and Baker at some point or Davis

[1:56] this is on point. And I think it did not include the changes where it was something else.

[2:04] So I'm concerned that I think the last changes might be lost. So the most up-to-date version

[2:12] would be whatever was in the meeting packet from that meeting.

[2:16] Would it be possible to go through the last meeting? I believe it was June 24th when we last

[2:22] Just discuss that to see what updates and triggers were made to the regs at that point.

[2:29] And then present those at our next meeting and we can continue on.

[2:34] So we could circulate that version.

[2:36] It would be time consuming, but somebody could effectively watch the video and see the changes

[2:40] Dan made and repeat the changes.

[2:45] I think that's the only way unless we want to have the meeting all over again.

[2:50] And then Kevin Davis volunteered to compare it with the newer release regs to make

[2:56] sure any updates to that were brought over so that that would then give us our next document

[3:02] to evaluate.

[3:07] This is all if Francis doesn't have it saved somewhere and we can't access it.

[3:15] Libby, come again.

[3:17] I mean, I think what I've been asking to see since at least June is just what you guys

[3:22] have been working on for the past three and a half years with this document. I don't have access

[3:26] to what you guys have been working on for the past three and a half years. So it's really hard

[3:30] for me to participate effectively in these meetings if I don't have access to what you guys have been

[3:35] doing for the past three and a half years. And so that's all I'm asking for, you know, access to,

[3:43] and I think you guys understand that. So you're not missing access to anything. You're asking for something

[3:49] and it doesn't exist. The only document that we had been working off of was what was emailed

[3:54] to us before every single meeting in a meeting packet. So nobody has, it was owned by Francis

[4:02] somewhere, and it was then attached to a meeting packet every single time we had a meeting.

[4:08] So there's no living copy that the board members have access to.

[4:14] There could be, we have one

[4:20] access it and look at it. And I think it's talking with Kelly a few times. That is a

[4:26] future thing that we need to work better at as a board.

[4:29] I mean, is it better for us to look at the newer state regulations and go off of that

[4:35] and just start new because some of the stuff in the old document might be move point anyway.

[4:41] That's why that's why Kevin said he would compare it and find out what the differences were between that.

[4:46] If there's just a few updates that we can then slot in great.

[4:49] We have spent a lot of time in there in Janet. So I wouldn't want to start over from scratch.

[4:55] Yeah, I mean, I guess what's the plan if Kevin Davis is in on our next meeting again, and we can't find this information

[5:04] Starting to scratch

[5:07] Yeah, we're not starting from scratch. We're not starting with 1989 starting with the new model race from 2024 for the state

[5:14] But oh, you've started with a new model race from 2024

[5:18] No, I would say if we're starting over again. We were trying to merge

[5:22] the new model rigs into existing and make changes rather than eliminate existing

[5:29] border health rates and starting from scratch. We were trying to update the existing ones,

[5:33] but if we do need to start from scratch, my suggestion would be we just start with the model

[5:38] rigs and adjust them to little 10 rather than adjusting the old little ones to the new model rigs,

[5:44] which is kind of how we approach the first round. Yeah, I agree with that.

[5:49] I just found a document from two months ago that Francis had circulated and I added you Kelly and Dan and it's the track changes.

[5:58] You can view the changes.

[6:00] Okay, that's one two months ago.

[6:01] That old doc, yeah.

[6:03] So you should have that.

[6:05] And I guess let's include that in our next packet.

[6:07] If that is the version that had been updated from the meeting we had, I don't know if it was the version from just prior to the meeting.

[6:15] Okay.

[6:16] We have to review that.

[6:16] So

[6:23] I don't know that you all can do anything tonight with the regulations, but that's totally up to you.

[6:30] Yeah, I would like to see it in our packet for next week.

[6:33] At least the link to it digitally if we can store it online somewhere and give folks a place to reference so they can follow along.

[6:42] That would be great.

[6:44] I can spend some time reviewing it as well.

[6:46] and I could let you guys know if I have any suggestions or maybe you run it by

[6:53] MHB and maybe they have some suggestions for us as well. If that's okay with you.

[6:58] Yeah, if you could just add Libby to the document and Matt as well. I didn't want to create a

[7:03] Yeah.

[7:05] Kevin Davis, too.

[7:06] Should probably see this.

[7:11] And then.

[7:13] Yes, Dan.

[7:14] So I know if I could just for for

[7:16] Kelly, it's a little bit of institutional history that as we're looking at it,

[7:20] I think, you know, as we were trying to identify the best things,

[7:22] I think I'm probably biggest feedback from citizens and residents were concerns

[7:30] about mandated testing of private wells, what that looks like, you know, the model

[7:37] rigs say annual testing, they would some resistance to that to associated with

[7:41] the cost and, you know, a bit of a libertarian approach to it's my water it's my

[7:46] house, you know, what difference does it make to someone else? Most folks seemed

[7:53] to understand the idea of at that time of transfer of ownership of a property

[7:57] kind of like Title V, but there was some concerns around that. So just as you're looking at the model

[8:02] rigs versus what we have in place, that was kind of probably the biggest I think public

[8:07] piece of discussion they kind of came up to just for kind of your perspective as you're looking at it

[8:12] just things to think about. Okay, what was the force opinion on that?

[8:19] I don't think we ever actually

[8:20] came to the decision. I do. We didn't come to a decision, but I did look up information on the

[8:26] contaminants like I was asked to do, I think, during our June 24th meeting. So there

[8:33] is some state guidance that kind of spells out when things should be tested and it's not

[8:37] necessarily uniform per contaminant or potential contaminant. It kind of depends, like I guess

[8:44] the best way I can explain is maybe to compare it to vaccines, like some you get yearly, some

[8:49] you get you know every other year or five years or you know on a different schedule so it's

[8:56] not necessarily so black and white and that you can apply it to all contaminants but that it's

[9:03] different but there is some state level guidance that should make that easier for us to use and adopt.

[9:10] Like PFAS one of the most expensive tests that's every five years.

[9:14] Yeah,

[9:17] I think the general consensus of the board was that it should be treated, it should

[9:20] be addressed when the property transfers.

[9:24] Yeah.

[9:26] That makes sense.

[9:27] That's what Carlisle did.

[9:29] And so they would require the test if it hadn't already been done and or something expired

[9:34] but it doesn't make sense.

[9:40] Great.

[9:40] So we'll look forward to having that discussion at our next meeting.

[9:45] Thank you very much.

[9:48] Moving any hands in the audience?

[9:52] No, I guess we'll move on to the discussion regarding the Shaker Lane project.

[10:02] Kelly, do you want to just give us a little background on this?

[10:05] Yes, so Shaker Lane is redoing their septic system and they wanted to kind of have a discussion

[10:11] with you all about what their plans are and kind of get your general consensus prior to moving forward

[10:18] but I don't see anybody on here from shaker lane they should be of his job.

[10:23] Be in my hands.

[10:25] I will have them all in

[10:30] and to people.

[10:34] Do you hear me?

[10:36] Yes.

[10:46] Are you sure you're set to go?

[10:59] Yes.

[11:00] I don't rejoin as a panelist thank you Kelly for

[11:04] connecting me there. So, yeah, I can give you a little bit of the history on the project, the

[11:14] Shaker Lane Scundrew Garvin, by the way, from Samuel to consultants, were the civil engineer

[11:20] on the project, which is actually a new school for Shaker Lane Elementary School, and obviously meeting

[11:29] with you on the proposed septic system for that school. There are some other members

[11:34] of our design team including Steve Powers from my office and the architect Mary Lee Mercy

[11:40] from Studio G and members of the construction management team here with us to speak about

[11:47] the project. But when I start with a brief history I can share my screen.

[11:51] That would be great.

[11:52] Here's your thing.

[11:53] Let's see.

[11:53] Yep.

[12:04] Can you see that?

[12:07] Yes.

[12:08] Okay.

[12:09] So, Shaker Lane School, the existing school, is here.

[12:14] It's located with Gold Smith Street to the west, an access drive coming off of Roxbury

[12:22] Drive into the school, and then Shaker Lane itself to the south and heading to the east.

[12:30] Picard Farm is up to the north, so it's a pretty sizable piece, but the main campus is

[12:38] what you see here with some woods and wetland areas behind it.

[12:50] This page, this overview is really showing, as I just explained in the school, but speaking

[12:59] about the existing septic system. It currently resides about half a mile to the east off

[13:09] of university drive here via force main in this area in the woods that is town owned.

[13:18] This is Brooklyn next to it and that some of that background is the school back in the

[13:26] 90s, added some additions, those additions were placed over the existing septic system and they had trouble finding an on-site location, and I could switch to the as-built plan back in the from back in the day, and

[13:53] here is the existing school, the proposed additions,

[13:58] the existing system that was now superseded and the force made heading way out to the east

[14:06] to that university drive site. It's a fairly unique system in that it was actually built.

[14:13] This is university drive and now coming off and heading out to where the leech field is located.

[14:19] It was actually built in a wetland and filled.

[14:23] They did have good perk rates out there, but it's fairly unique, at least to me in that

[14:28] regard that, oops, sorry, that it is located in a wetland or what was a wetland and filled.

[14:39] So that said, it incorporates an IA system known as an Amphrodrome system located here,

[14:47] right nestled into the school and that system is here to give you the big picture again and that

[15:00] This new system was installed. I believe it was 96. It's been monitored monthly over the last 30 years and is working well. The system is operating well and we plan to incorporate that system into the new. But that

[15:24] system that IA system allows for a 50% reduction in the bed, which they took advantage of back at that time.

[15:33] time and we would also be planning to update that Amphidrome system with new media and whatever

[15:41] is required, we have a consultant looking at that and again it's been monitored, we're

[15:47] dealing with the company that's been monitoring it over the last 30 years.

[15:52] So we looked to fully update that and incorporate it into our new system.

[15:59] Bringing it up to today, we wanted to find a way if possible, understanding the history

[16:05] and the previous situation, understanding that it would probably be difficult to find

[16:11] a feasible spot on site.

[16:13] We did some pretty significant testing on site over the last two years.

[16:20] I'm going to picture of the entire site here, that's

[16:31] all right.

[16:34] So this is the upper portion, let me go, let me go back to the area, I'll just show

[16:39] you the big picture again, apologies.

[16:43] So this is the existing school, the proposed school is going to be up in the baseball field

[16:47] area.

[16:50] Again, the IA system next to school is going to be utilized.

[16:53] and then the new septic system, I'm going to go review the testing that we did, but we have found a suitable area down in this south west corner adjacent to the parking area, if you're familiar with the campus at all.

[17:08] And we did some pretty extensive testing both for septic and for drainage all around the site. This is the field area where the new school is going to go.

[17:18] but where we found the most suitable material was down in this area, this Southwest corner, as I explained.

[17:27] Here's the existing school in blue with the parking area kind of hidden beneath.

[17:34] And we did a number of testing, I know you probably read it already in the summary memo we provided,

[17:42] but since December of 24th through April of this year, we've done testing with the various,

[17:53] and as you know, the board health agents have changed. We were with Jim Gareffi when it started,

[17:58] the misshover was still part of the board of health, so we were kind of under their oversight,

[18:03] and we did all the testing with them and perk tests, and we just needed this last test in April

[18:10] is really to meet the requirements of getting four successful test pits and perks for each primary

[18:21] and reserve area, which we were able to do.

[18:27] The current design to size the Leach field is the same

[18:34] flow rate as what is for the existing school, same population of students and staff are

[18:41] proposed that is not being changed with the new school and that is 620 students and staff

[18:51] comes to a flow of about just short of 5,000 gallons per day, 4,960 gallons per day.

[19:00] Again, the system that you're seeing here is, we're just in preliminary design right

[19:04] now, but this is appropriately sized for that population and with the perc rates we had,

[19:15] we had a maximum perc rate, it varied from like in the 20s to the maximum of 50 minutes

[19:22] is per inch. And so one of the one of the main reasons we're here is to talk about those

[19:33] that that would require a local variance for one of your regulations, which we call for

[19:40] a lot over 30,000 square feet. You have a limit of 40 minutes per inch per grade.

[19:51] We would

[19:54] Beyond that they're we haven't fully graded out the the

[20:00] The final grading that would be required for this system, but I am in it's possible that we may need an additional

[20:09] Variants for

[20:10] Grading within 10 feet of a butters property line, so I wanted to bring that to the table as well

[20:15] That will be I guess that's more to be determined

[20:19] But just as an additional

[20:22] note on the design parameters. Again, what you're seeing is Title 5 compliant with no reductions.

[20:29] We would be looking to incorporate the IA system that exists and upgrade it and incorporate that system.

[20:38] And request a reduction in the system just like what exists today, a 50% reduction is allowed.

[20:47] We're not showing that right now but obviously you can see that you would just how you would cut that in half to accomplish that.

[20:56] I think it's worth mentioning that we did look up the water use rates for the school over the last five years.

[21:05] And the average flow for the school title five requires you to when you look up the water use rate you multiply them by,

[21:14] you go by two hundred percent, you multiply them by two, and those were included, I

[21:20] think, in your document package as well, some of those tables. It varies from year to

[21:26] year, but generally speaking, they're in the 3,000 gallon per day range that the

[21:33] school actually uses, whereas we will be designing for the 4,960 gallons per day.

[21:43] I

[21:45] think that's most of the background I have, I would like to probably, I think it's

[21:50] best to turn it over to our construction managers, members from Gil Bain are here to talk

[21:57] about the construction phasing and our intentions on how that would work to keep the system operational

[22:07] either existing or proposed while the students, while the new school is built and the students

[22:12] transition their occupancy to the new building so I don't know I'm trying to

[22:17] look who was here from Gilbane. I don't know if you have to make them a

[22:20] presenter Kelly or if they can just speak. We're here Drew we're on. Okay I'll hand it over to them.

[22:30] Thanks Drew. Thanks everybody.

[22:35] Drew I'm actually very rapidly trying to pull up the

[22:38] being sewer force main as well.

[22:41] Other of mine just sharing that screen that you have.

[22:50] I can find it, too, as well, sorry.

[22:57] Yeah, there you go.

[22:58] Yep, that's perfect, Drew.

[23:01] So, good evening, everyone.

[23:03] My name's Tremac-O-R-A-C-F-P-X-W-Gilbane.

[23:06] Myself and Jonathan May, our on-site project manager

[23:09] will be kind of the two leaders as part of the project.

[23:14] And one of the challenges with this project

[23:16] was kind of managing and working around

[23:19] the existing sewer force main that you can see up here on the screen that Drew has been talking about.

[23:24] And one of our approaches to this is that due to the new design and the cut fill effort,

[23:34] when I say cut fill, there's a lot of soil movement that has to go on in this area of this existing

[23:41] in sewer force main that based on the new finished sub grades and finished grades, this

[23:48] sewer force main will essentially be kind of sticking out of the ground. So it's part

[23:54] of our phasing and planning operation that we're still working through currently is we're

[24:00] going to have to determine a temporary measure to ensure that the existing school stays

[24:07] online throughout the phases of construction. So as part of our early site package, as we're

[24:14] preparing, clearing the site, getting ready for site clearing, ledge removal, we as a team

[24:21] are going to develop a plan on how to temporarily maintain this existing sewer force main to the

[24:30] wife of that phase one construction, which is the new building, which is going to require

[24:36] basically a new temporary line connecting to the existing.

[24:42] We understand that there's an air relief valve kind of on page right that Drew has up now

[24:50] that is going to be somewhat undisturbed based on the current grading design.

[24:56] So our intent is to figure out a new temporary line at the right depth to accommodate the new grading and connect to that existing error, error refalf, kind of on page right that then then travels down to the existing leach field that drew and shared on the first page.

[25:15] That will service the existing school throughout phase one construction.

[25:22] and then as part of the turnover as Drew had shared,

[25:27] we have to construct a new field which is gonna be part of phase two.

[25:32] So phase one consists of building the new building that you see here on the plans.

[25:37] We will successfully move faculty and students into that building

[25:41] which will allow us to kind of flip our site logistics

[25:45] and we'll then take over the existing building footprint

[25:49] and the existing parking lots that is there, which will consist of demolition or

[25:55] removal of the existing building, and in parallel we'll be constructing the new

[25:59] leach field that Drew had explained at the start of the presentation. That shoulder

[26:07] period between Phase 1 and Phase 2, we've worked with the team and the intent is

[26:13] based on the calculations, the new building can still be connected to the existing

[26:19] leach field until phase two has been constructed and is ready to then have the permanent switch

[26:26] over so that the new building will then be connected and feed into the existing leach

[26:32] field as part of phase two construction.

[26:37] That is very, very high level. A lot of details

[26:41] questions that the board may have?

[26:48] Sure. Daniel, can you start with any questions you might have?

[26:54] Thank you. Obviously, we're not taking action tonight, but I appreciate the big picture

[26:59] of how we handle this. Agreed having the leaching field a quarter mile away is a unique design,

[27:06] but it worked at the moment when it needed to be done 35, 40 years ago.

[27:11] Yeah, I mean, I think as you described the biggest concern is how do you make those switch

[27:15] overs and, you know, obviously old pipes are fragile, particularly out of the ground.

[27:22] Our concern obviously would be re-ruptors and loss of use of the school until repairs

[27:28] can occur.

[27:28] So, but it sounds like you're already identifying that as a risk, so that would be my only

[27:32] really big concern.

[27:34] But yeah, just how do you make those transitions in an active construction site with students

[27:39] still there. Absolutely, Dan, and that's one of our focuses that we're still working through,

[27:44] you know, to minimize any and all those impacts, you know, as part of those switchovers and

[27:49] connections, you know, we're going to be looking at exploring all fours, you know, connections and

[27:55] shutdowns so that we minimize any and all impacts in existence school. So, you know, we'll be targeting

[28:00] off hours whether that's Monday through Friday, off hours or we can type work to, again, ensure

[28:06] that we maintain service to the existing owner.

[28:14] Dr. Wiesen.

[28:17] Yes, thank you for giving us a lot of information,

[28:19] relatively quickly.

[28:21] One care asset I had you talked about at Leachfield,

[28:23] you might size, you might change a little bit,

[28:25] and you might have some grade in there.

[28:27] Is that road to the east because it's for the parking lot?

[28:29] Is that road staying?

[28:31] So your only expansion direction is west.

[28:38] Oh, that parking area and that existing

[28:40] Existing access off shaker lane to the existing school will be closed off. There is a new

[28:46] Curb cut coming off shaker lane to the east up shaker lane

[28:51] Okay, so if that field has to grow could it grow east and not towards the residents?

[28:57] Now this is Steve powers with semi-autic consultants one of the challenges that we have is to the north

[29:03] You could probably see the wetlands area highlighted in red

[29:07] when we go to the east there's a pretty significant drop off and that starts to

[29:11] encroach on where we're relocating the athletic fields and on top of that the

[29:16] existing building is in that location too so we're working with a lot of stuff in

[29:21] that area so it's a great question believe me we've other than the trying to find

[29:26] some feasibility feasible soils for to locate the system we're pushing this

[29:31] around as much we can to just you know to not really encroach on anyone but we

[29:36] are running into a due to the size.

[29:39] Yeah, because those are all gradient lines.

[29:41] Just parallel there, right?

[29:42] Right around the field where you've got just a lot of field.

[29:44] Correct.

[29:45] Right.

[29:47] So one of the other challenges that we

[29:49] do have is a little bit high groundwater,

[29:51] which you may or may not be aware of.

[29:55] So we do have to raise it.

[30:00] I'm a little bit of make sure that we're keeping the separation of groundwater. So that's, in essence, that's why we have to raise it. And there's a pretty good drop, you know, from, let's say, plan south to plan north. Thank you. And then my other question kind of about just this, like, the size of the system. So what is the current system size for, for flow? You know? Yeah. So the, the current size is, Drew, we talked about that. So one of the,

[30:29] One of the advantages and drew a touch on this at the very beginning is in that area, it's not actually, it wasn't wetlands, wetlands have worse surrounding it and growing into it, but they did find relatively sandy soils.

[30:46] So, it was still size with that 4,960 gallons per day, but because the soils were so sandy,

[30:56] they could shrink the leaching area plus on top of that, the 50% reduction with the

[31:01] amphirdrome system.

[31:03] Going back the other way, we were lucky, we found some feasible soils on site, but we've

[31:09] got a high percrate in that area.

[31:11] Yeah.

[31:11] Okay.

[31:12] So I just wanted, as you talked about, kind of like using the old system with the new building

[31:15] temporarily until you give things over.

[31:17] So the old system designed for the same flow rate, so it's not like we're super seeding

[31:21] out with the new building or anything.

[31:23] Cool.

[31:23] Sure.

[31:24] And then my last question is probably not for you guys, it's just a, you know, now I'm more

[31:29] of a citizen question, I guess, why aren't we making the capacity of the school bigger

[31:33] and thus the system bigger?

[31:37] But okay.

[31:38] I can probably speak to that.

[31:42] So the original septic system was sized for 600 or 620 students.

[31:50] It was very much oversized for some reason.

[31:53] I'm not sure why.

[31:55] Even though the new system is sized for 620 people, that I assume you're asking because

[32:05] because of the new housing development at 550 King Street,

[32:08] and increased impacts to enrollment.

[32:11] Potentially?

[32:12] Sure, that's a contributor, yes.

[32:14] So, I'm in growth.

[32:18] So last year, the enrollment was 398 students.

[32:23] The MSBA approved enrollment is 435 students in K to 2.

[32:29] And the MSBA sort of dictates what that enrollment is.

[32:33] They do some demographic studies.

[32:34] and they look at birth rates, and they try to anticipate whether the population is going up, down, or remaining stable.

[32:41] And then that is what they pay for. They don't pay for housing projects that have not already started the permitting process,

[32:50] because as far as the MSBA is concerned, it's not a real project yet, and so they don't allow that to influence their number for enrollment.

[32:58] But I think we are in luck because the septic system being sized for 620, even though

[33:04] the enrollment is 435, that allows the accommodation of not just the growth of enrollment from the

[33:11] 400 is now to the 435 at some point in the future, but it also can absorb quite a few

[33:17] more students and associated staff members with that.

[33:21] And, you know, we looked at the housing projects pretty early in the process and tried to sort of estimate how many additional students we could anticipate for that.

[33:34] We looked at the number of two bedrooms, the number of three bedrooms, thought about assuming that the kids are evenly distributed in age from 0 to 18 and then there's a few that are not being used for, you know, their roommates, their unrelated people,

[33:50] or a 24 year old doesn't left you at those types of things, and we imagine it would be about

[33:57] 10 to 15 kids per grade level coming in, so an additional 40, 45 maybe, so looking at that,

[34:05] so 435 plus those 40 to 45 plus 10 to 20 additional faculty members plus a much higher enrollment

[34:15] in pre-K than what they have now, ends up being 620.

[34:19] So you can really absorb many more students in enrollment,

[34:23] go into the future with the way that it's sized right now.

[34:27] All right, thank you so much for that detail.

[34:29] You're welcome.

[34:31] Libby Donigan?

[34:34] I don't have any concerns,

[34:35] and just for some transparency,

[34:37] I was heavily involved in the advocacy efforts

[34:39] to pass the ballot vote for the school project.

[34:42] So, Maryly and I know each other

[34:44] from some communication groups that I was a part of.

[34:47] So I've heard this whole spiel many, many times.

[34:49] This is a pretty common question about the population.

[34:51] It's come up.

[34:52] So I feel pretty comfortable with your plan.

[34:54] And I know that you're carefully crossing your teeth

[34:57] and down your eyes.

[34:58] Thank you.

[35:01] I just have a couple comments.

[35:03] 50 minutes an inch.

[35:05] I will have to ask the board about that.

[35:07] It's not uncommon.

[35:09] And with a higher per grade sometimes,

[35:13] If we can enlarge the system as much as possible, that's great.

[35:20] In the transition phase, where you're connecting and disconnecting and working really carefully

[35:26] around that pipe, I was wondering if you thought about putting maybe like an on-site tight

[35:30] tank just as an emergency to handle any flow so the school could stay in operation.

[35:37] And yeah, you can answer that if you'd like, but...

[35:40] So, no, it's a great question and a great idea, Kevin, that's one of the things that we're thinking is kind of a

[35:46] Continancy effort in the event that we'd run into issues paired with

[35:51] We're going to do some investigate work and make sure that the ads built that we have on file is

[35:55] You know fairly accurate, but

[35:58] Some some sort of tank in the event that something occurs or something that we've been discussing internally as well to

[36:04] So that will be part of our plan and efforts here through pre-contraction as well

[36:09] And then I was just curious. I know it might have been really difficult to get close to the building to dig test holes, but I'm curious if you did.

[36:18] And what it would look like under those baseball fields.

[36:24] The team has done some. I don't

[36:42] see.

[36:42] As I said, the preliminary testing back

[36:46] before the additions were through here.

[36:49] There's a lot of ledge plus it's closer to the wetlands.

[36:54] We did one here right next to the school.

[36:56] I said we can see the school and this outline.

[36:59] That's in the parking lot.

[37:02] There was some old utilities.

[37:04] Again, a lot of ledge, we did one.

[37:09] Sorry. All thumbs here. We did want adjacent to the school over here. A lot of

[37:21] existing utilities. I don't think Ledge was as big as this you there, but again

[37:27] wetlands were very close to wetland. This wet, you know, this pretty sizable

[37:32] wetland area.

[37:38] You know, this is an entire wetland area here. So, and then we dug one

[37:43] more down here towards the base of the school. This is where it hills up to the playground.

[37:49] This is all ledge in that playground. So the answer question is yes, we did. This is all

[37:54] ledge where the force made heads out to the east. That's all ledge. So up by the fields was

[38:02] some other areas that we could use for drainage, but not for septic. It's mostly fill and it

[38:11] was not the parent soil was not suitable for the septic system. So this was where we ended

[38:19] up as the best area.

[38:24] And I'm happy that you're recycling the old system and it's going to

[38:28] continue to be used. Just playing a devil's advocate, you know, it's 30 something usual, you know,

[38:35] what happens when it fails. So that is a great question and it was part of what we looked at a couple

[38:40] years ago. So we did, there was a Title V inspection done on it and it passed. It still is in good

[38:49] operation. And like Drew had said earlier, the Amphidrom system is also in good operating water.

[38:56] We've actually hired the person that designed the original system back in 96 or 97 to continue

[39:04] to maintain it. So we're pretty confident that we can we can move forward and continue

[39:10] using that existing septic system while this is under construction.

[39:15] And is there a call

[39:16] update?

[39:20] Yeah, I'll let me be tripped. Do you have a rough?

[39:26] Yeah. Sorry. That was a schedule

[39:28] question. These are all good questions. Rough overall schedule, Kevin, is I'm just going

[39:34] to give you the full overview.

[39:36] So we'll just tell you more intelligently when we're

[39:40] cutting off and intersecting.

[39:42] We are slated to begin construction next July of 2027.

[39:47] As part of that summer effort, we're

[39:49] targeting making this temporary connection

[39:52] during that time period, sometime and a summer early fall,

[39:56] so that we have that temporary means

[39:58] to maintaining the existing school while we construct

[40:01] the new building.

[40:02] the new building is going to continue under construction in that phase one area

[40:08] until May of 29 and then we will be transitioning into phase two during that

[40:18] summer period of 29 so the new school will be connected into that system at

[40:23] that point and will be operational and feeding into the existing system you know

[40:28] call it May of 29 and right now the way our phase two schedule is mapped out that phase two schedule,

[40:38] which included again the demolition of the existing building, construction of the new playfields,

[40:42] and construction of that new leach field, that is slated to be completed at the end of 2029.

[40:49] So during that time period towards the end of that year, we'll make that final switch over

[40:54] in connection so the new building feeds in with the new museum.

[41:00] Great. Well, thank you for that.

[41:02] Welcome.

[41:03] And my last question, I just thought of when you were explaining that is, have you guys

[41:08] thought about running a pipe down Goldsmith's street to the sewer?

[41:14] Goldsmith's plan left, I believe, right? Looking at this plan?

[41:19] It connects Roxbury, or Shaker Lane.

[41:23] Yeah, Goldsmith, yes.

[41:24] Yes.

[41:25] I know we looked at it very early on in the process, and my understanding was it was quite

[41:30] a run to be able to tie into that, and I think it was a run, I'd have to look back on it,

[41:41] but we definitely looked at it because relocating a septic system at that point didn't seem

[41:49] like it was going to happen, so that's why we were heading for soil testing.

[41:53] Yeah, I know the town, I can't speak to it in detail at any way, but I know the town

[42:00] has a new common system, or septic sewer treatment plant, proposed and installed, so it wasn't

[42:11] a relation to that, but it was quite a long run, and then we found this area, so it didn't

[42:17] see the, I just don't think it was feasibility, you know, as far as cost made sense, especially

[42:25] now there.

[42:26] Yeah.

[42:27] We did look at it.

[42:28] Absolutely.

[42:28] Do you see where department might like that, if you ask them?

[42:30] Yeah.

[42:31] There was also some discussion about how that new septic system was not planned to accommodate

[42:41] something like this.

[42:42] It was really more for the downtown business area.

[42:44] and so they just didn't have the room for us to connect to it.

[42:50] Thank you.

[42:53] Anything else?

[42:57] Oh, just one side note.

[42:59] A couple of those screen shots are drawings, like with the test holes.

[43:03] Those were in our packet. We do mind just shooting those,

[43:05] or I know this isn't a public hearing, so we don't have to have it.

[43:08] But could you send a couple of those over to Kelly just so we can get them

[43:11] kind of into our packet for storage sink?

[43:15] Yeah, absolutely.

[43:17] Are you talking to soil logs themselves?

[43:19] the official soil logs are.

[43:21] No, no, but yeah, like that one,

[43:23] and the other drawing like that that showed probably that,

[43:28] was that the one we looked at?

[43:30] We can send you everything we showed you tonight.

[43:33] Yeah, just to be honest, that would be great.

[43:35] We've got the old stuff I think in the packet,

[43:37] just not those newer drawings.

[43:40] We can certainly send them, no problem.

[43:42] Absolutely.

[43:47] Great, well thank you very much for your time.

[43:49] We'll see you soon.

[43:50] All right, thank you all.

[43:51] Thank you.

[43:54] We move on to our next discussion now, the Climate Action Plan. Kelly, if you

[43:59] want to give us a little bit of background on that. I will actually hand that off to

[44:04] Libby. Libby wanted this on the agenda, so I will hand it off to her to explain. Thanks.

[44:16] You're muted, Libby.

[44:21] Sorry, you're going to see me shift my gaze over to my other screen for a minute.

[44:27] The Climate Action Plan as a roadmap that helps the community reduce greenhouse gas emissions

[44:31] and prepare for the impacts of climate change and build a more resilient future.

[44:35] It identifies the major sources of emissions within the community and establishes goals

[44:39] and targets and outlines practical strategies and actions to reduce pollution while supporting

[44:43] public health, economic stability and quality of life. Our Climate Action Plan focuses on both

[44:48] mitigation and resilience and this Climate Action Plan is intended to serve as a living document

[44:54] that can guide municipal decision making and form future investments, support grant applications.

[45:00] And encourage collaboration among residents, businesses, community organizations, and regional partners. So, if we felt like, you know, we're listed in this plan as being either a champion or supporter. And we feel like we want to update that or change that this sustainability committee will be reviewing our plan on at least an annual basis.

[45:26] So, we are listed as either champions or supporters on several long term.

[45:32] in near-term actions.

[45:36] So I just wanted to put it on our plan so we could figure out if there's anything that

[45:41] we want to address in the near-term future or push it off a few meetings and maybe tackle

[45:46] something down the line, but at least since our time-

[45:48] I love this.

[45:49] Yeah, I think we should start a committee on it ourselves and come up with some solutions

[45:54] in ways we can help be a part of the bigger cause.

[45:59] Dr. Wacen, do you have any comments?

[46:05] I agree.

[46:06] Let's get it in a plan log so we can be making sure we're connecting on it on a frequent basis because that's not always been our strong suit of remembering to bring these things back up periodically so that we can be reviewing them.

[46:18] And I think if there are some short term medium for long term, if those could be gridded out for us so that we can then as a board prioritize which ones we look forward to spend our energy on.

[46:29] Yeah, they are. It's on our town web page now. So it's live. This was approved July 13th.

[46:36] So yeah, that's why I just wanted to kind of put it on everybody's radar here because it is now

[46:40] live in the town website. And we're listed under some energy and waste goals.

[46:51] Yeah, energy and waste

[46:52] mostly. Things that are usually under our purview. It would be really cool if our web page was

[47:01] built in a way where if somebody went to that that you're talking about and clicked on

[47:05] one of those things that belonged to us it took them to say our health department page

[47:08] where we could have an update on the things we are champions of.

[47:17] I don't know if I can do that.

[47:20] I'm going to guess.

[47:21] No, but is that something that we should consider?

[47:26] I mean, should all of those champions have their own little home stuff that they can prepare?

[47:32] Yeah, for transparency purposes for the public that might be tuning in right now, I also

[47:37] sit on the Sustainability Committee, and I was a part of drafting this Climate Action Plan.

[47:43] We have a meeting with Sustainability Committee next week, so it's something that I can bring up

[47:47] during the meeting as possibly linking these initiatives to our pages, or at least providing some links

[47:53] on the Sustainability Committee page to our initiatives. Just something ideally uniform and consistent,

[48:02] so that people know whether we're providing the updates to one location that

[48:07] shares how's it or whether we are owning updates on our own source. I don't

[48:12] care which one but it would be great if there was a solution that we knew how we

[48:15] can kind of communicate that action. Do you yet have access to update our web page?

[48:21] I do not but Sophia does. Okay great. Yeah. Sophia maybe can help us with that then.

[48:27] Let me. Yeah, Tessley.

[48:30] Yeah, if you were, if you're interested, actually Dan Kayne, do you

[48:33] have any comments regarding this? Nope. All in favor. It's a great idea. Obviously,

[48:40] we should be an active part of this process. As far as web page, I actually almost suggest.

[48:46] I love the idea of being able to link back to individual pieces. But I'm kind of a, I like being

[48:51] things relatively central, both for us and for the public. Then if I'm interested in the Climate

[48:56] action plan. I don't go to there and then go okay it's with the Board of Health is doing or

[49:00] conservation or planning and having to go, go outside and see what other departments are doing.

[49:07] I'd almost say where does it live and use that as the hub and have a link from Board of Health

[49:15] or planning rather than a link out to, but that's just kind of my thought of having it, you know,

[49:21] I go to the Board of Health, hey what do you guys do with the Climate Action Plan and our link is,

[49:25] We may have some content, but it's really, let's go back to the climate action plan.

[49:31] If sustainability is kind of the owner and we're all contributing in partners, then that

[49:36] would be kind of my perspective.

[49:38] I think it might be a bit easier to manage than having lots of us changing and then potentially

[49:43] having mismatches of information in different places, but just two cents.

[49:52] I like that.

[49:55] Would you all be open to finding the excerpt from the document pertaining to the Board of

[50:01] Health and our responsibilities with the Climate Action Plan and including it in a discussion

[50:05] for our next meeting so we can start to move the chains forward and check some boxes and

[50:11] get some things done in that regard.

[50:14] And then, you know, maybe if you wouldn't mind being a Board of Health liaison to the Climate

[50:18] Action Plan Committee and sustainability folks, that'd be great.

[50:22] Yeah, that'd be great.

[50:24] Thanks. You're there anyway. I mean, I'll just throw out the request to expand it. This is a

[50:32] perfect example of something that is a focus that we need to work on, make effort over short-term

[50:39] and long-term. And it parallels a lot of other things that we should also be working on, like regulation

[50:44] updates and such like that. And so I just would love, I know we had a retreat some years ago and came

[50:52] up with some visioning. I don't know if we have to do that again or if it's just a matter

[50:57] of making sure that we have some project management actually going on here so that it's not

[51:02] just the, you know, current loudest wheel that we're focusing on, but we're not losing track

[51:07] of all those other things. So I know we've talked a lot of times about having quarterly updates

[51:13] where we talk about some data, but I think it's also important for us to say, okay, well,

[51:17] Well, what is our roadmap for the next three months and what are those regulations or climate

[51:22] action plan topics or things that we're going to focus on?

[51:26] Great.

[51:26] Let's do this with the climate action plan for the next meeting and create that.

[51:32] And then I would propose maybe at the following meeting, have a discussion about regulations

[51:36] so that we can also put our homework lists together for regulations and we should address short-term

[51:46] and growth and our plans for the department should look.

[51:50] So I think we could do a meeting on every single one of these

[51:53] kind of topic areas to help build out the master plan

[51:57] that the clerk owns.

[52:06] I think that's a great idea.

[52:11] And I will bring something to the next meeting regarding

[52:14] project management, Dr. Wason, and how we can best

[52:18] to accomplish some of our goals.

[52:26] Any comments or hands in the audience? No hands?

[52:31] No, okay. We're going to move on to the discussion of data centers. Kelly, can you give us a

[52:37] little bit of background on that? I will also give this back to Libby, Libby, one of its

[52:41] on the agenda and she has background.

[52:45] I feel like it's something that boards have

[52:47] published a way in on and we should sort of decide what our stance is as a board. I was asked

[52:51] of participate in a working group of other town leadership, and I'm very happy to participate,

[52:58] but if I'm going to represent the board rather than myself as a private citizen, then I want

[53:03] to make sure we have some consensus around what I'm advocating for. I will note that I advocated

[53:08] for sustainability to have a seat in these meetings as well with the working group, and I will not

[53:13] be representing the sustainability committee with the working group. I've asked that somebody else

[53:17] from the sustainability, participate in that,

[53:19] and so I'm just wearing a word of health hat.

[53:21] If that's something that we have consensus on.

[53:30] Great.

[53:31] Can you explain to me what a data center is, please?

[53:35] It's a place that uses a lot of resources right now

[53:38] and a lot of water.

[53:40] To do what?

[53:42] I don't have the best definition of that.

[53:45] I know it is something that AI depends on.

[53:50] the cloud, things like that. Keep storage, computer machines.

[53:56] Dan Cain, do you have a definition?

[53:59] I don't have a formal definition, but basically this is the world's biggest computer room.

[54:03] Yeah. Size is range from a couple thousand square feet to hundreds of thousands of square feet.

[54:10] Server rack after server rack after server rack.

[54:13] The biggest community challenge with that other than simply size of facilities is energy

[54:19] demand.

[54:20] They obviously lots of computers require lots of electricity and they require lots and

[54:25] lots of cooling.

[54:27] So there's noise for cooling systems.

[54:31] There also tends to be not just air conditioning kind of cooling systems, but active liquid cooling,

[54:37] usually pulling water off of somebody of water and returning it slightly warmer than when

[54:43] when it came out. I think obviously not to the scale, but think nuclear power play.

[54:47] Dora and cold water indicate the cool and pumping it back out. It's a much smaller scale,

[54:53] but the similar process, so kind of the environmental impacts associated with the huge water draws

[55:00] either from the aquifer, or from the surface water, and obviously need to be big enough bodies

[55:06] of surface water to be able to manage that heat dissipation and noise challenges and

[55:13] just physical size, which is more obviously a planning piece, but certainly a concern for us.

[55:18] But again, the easiest way to think of it is the world's biggest computer room.

[55:23] I would say one of the main concerns that for public health is noise.

[55:26] We do have a nuisance and for noise, and so that would be something that would sit on our plate

[55:32] because we have to report to DEVYAMA.

[55:39] Yeah, I also have like water and resource stream as a potential issue here.

[55:45] I think something that is helpful for guiding our decision making is that

[55:51] Governor Moore Healy announced a pause on accepting data center sales tax exemption applications

[55:58] and provided a framework for municipalities to make some decisions on energy and infrastructure, water use, air quality, labor and jobs and community benefits.

[56:16] I agree it's the water that also I question and who else really owns that and how do we design to make sure and evaluate that our aquifers are still able to supply the town of the residents and

[56:31] Is that a calculation that exists out there that somebody owns, or is that something that

[56:35] this board should be paying good attention?

[56:38] So if the state can give us some guidance on how we can calculate that, I know the answers

[56:43] are often, well, it's big down there underground.

[56:46] Who knows how big it is, but the more you then tap in and utilize that resource, unfortunately

[56:51] you tend to find out it's gone when it's gone.

[56:53] So those are good points, thank you.

[56:56] I think I'd probably want to consult the MHB around forming some policy here, so they

[57:01] might have some advice on sort of our boards unique role in being able to inform policy.

[57:13] It's interesting.

[57:19] Has there been any talk about an actual data center in Littleton?

[57:24] We currently have data centers in Littleton.

[57:26] I know that there is at least one at 550 King Street.

[57:31] I think there's another one somewhere else, but I forget the address.

[57:33] Yes.

[57:39] And do we know how much water they use?

[57:45] No.

[57:47] I know the little 10 electric light in water is going to be part of these working group discussions.

[57:53] No, great.

[57:57] Well, I think this is something we should certainly keep on our radar.

[58:01] How do you want to move forward with this topic?

[58:05] Put it work on the project management list and keep it on there.

[58:10] I think I'd like to consult with MHB. I don't know if they can tune into a meeting of ours and sort of help advise us.

[58:17] Sure. I mean, I think New York State put a moratorium on data centers.

[58:22] Yeah. I think that's something partly to work out with the working group too, because I know some towns or states have been sued over their moratoriums.

[58:34] So yeah,

[58:38] it looks like we may have a hand up in the audience. I'm just not positive.

[58:44] Yep. Sorry.

[58:47] Joanne. Yes. Thank you. I'm worried about data centers.

[58:54] I just stay your name and address for the record please.

[58:57] Of course. I'm Joanne Deary from Harvard Avenue and I worry about data centers.

[59:02] they use a lot of electricity and we have really low electric rates which might

[59:07] make little tend very attractive place for them to locate. I'm worried about the

[59:12] warm water being returned to the environment and the impacts that's going to

[59:16] have and I'm also worried about continuous noise like the home of fans which

[59:22] might not be like the right kind of loudness to violate an ordinance but it

[59:28] make people sick, and also lights that are on all night.

[59:33] I'd really like to see little to not have any more data centers and no like a land covered

[59:41] up by them that's now trees or meadows or anything.

[59:46] So just my two cents.

[59:49] Thank you.

[59:58] so perhaps we can

[1:00:00] As the topic becomes more frequently discussed and things start to happen. Yeah, if you guys on the loop. Great.

[1:00:12] So we'll move on to the ID decision support tool. Dr. Wacen, do you have anything to present to us? Thank you. I do.

[1:00:23] So the state level is now running kind of COVID on a calendar year. So it's started.

[1:00:29] in July. So the vaccination data is from kind of last year, so that's done and gone, and there

[1:00:37] will be a new season starting in August, I believe. The wastewater treatment levels that is

[1:00:42] also shifted over. That's been a daily testing that's been going on for years now, and they have

[1:00:48] scaled that back, and it's going to be weekly, I believe. Those numbers are still very low, very,

[1:00:54] very low right now. They've been very, very low for quite some time. So the monitoring is going to

[1:00:58] to go to a slower cadence on that.

[1:01:00] I think that's the,

[1:01:01] I'm sure there's a cost associated with this curious,

[1:01:03] because that's probably a good leaving indicator,

[1:01:05] but we still don't really have,

[1:01:06] like the scientific evidence that says, yay or nay.

[1:01:10] But I will also say that we went, you know,

[1:01:12] most of the summer, a little thing without a,

[1:01:14] you know, officially diagnosed positive test,

[1:01:16] but we now have three as of this most recent week.

[1:01:20] So, there, COVID might be coming back for the fall.

[1:01:24] I built too soon to tell that the count is non-zero anymore, so I have to mention that.

[1:01:31] Vaccinations, I've heard on this repeatedly in the past, so this vaccination season is coming

[1:01:36] soon, and so I will look to this board in our department to say what is our strategy

[1:01:41] to improve upon our number of, we ended up with 18 percent for last season for COVID,

[1:01:47] and our influenza vaccines will pop that open. I think that ended up at below 50 percent.

[1:01:53] So, we'd love to see better vaccination rates for our community this fall.

[1:01:57] I'm sure you all agree with me, right?

[1:01:59] Okay.

[1:02:00] Arbor virus update, triply still low.

[1:02:04] There have been a couple of positive mosquito samples.

[1:02:09] South of Boston, but nothing remotely close to us.

[1:02:13] So, triply season is knock on wood, still very mild and low.

[1:02:19] West Nile virus is a little bit different. Little thin is still quite as low, but a few of our neighboring communities are moderate.

[1:02:26] There have been now, I believe, two positive human cases in Middlesex County and multiple mosquito cases.

[1:02:33] So West Nile might be starting to just spread more and more as we turn towards the fall.

[1:02:38] So still take care and use your mosquito precautions out there.

[1:02:43] Make sure you don't have to stay anybody's water or make sure you're using

[1:02:45] I mean, bug spray is idealty and watching yourself, especially in those early evening and

[1:02:53] dusk hours when the ski activity is quite high.

[1:02:58] And then, obviously, we're out of the respiratory season, so no updates there.

[1:03:05] That's what I got.

[1:03:07] Thank you very much.

[1:03:12] So moving on, I wanted to talk about meeting minute approvals.

[1:03:17] We have them in our packet. Hopefully everyone had a chance to go through them.

[1:03:26] And we can start with

[1:03:29] for sanity purposes. Can we go in a chronological order like they're on the packet as opposed to

[1:03:34] agenda order like their backwards. So we have May 27th, 2026.

[1:03:42] We are able to vote on this one tonight.

[1:03:57] And here's a question. Give anything. Go ahead, Dan.

[1:04:00] But I'm not sure what the board's take is, obviously since these are official records

[1:04:06] of board actions, I'm not sure if we want to stick with first names for all the discussion

[1:04:12] points.

[1:04:13] If we want to maybe make that slightly more formal, Dan said, Kevin said, particularly we

[1:04:19] have two cabins for many of ours that can be confusing, I'm not sure, again, I'm not

[1:04:27] I'm not a Mr. Cain person, but there are times when being slightly more formal, particularly

[1:04:33] in your permanent record, may be a little bit clearer, particularly with two cabins.

[1:04:40] But just a thought, I'm not sure what the board's thoughts are if anybody has any thoughts.

[1:04:47] Anyone opposed or interested in changing the way our names are presented in the minutes?

[1:04:56] I had the same response to Dan, as I read it, I just felt like, oh, okay, maybe we should

[1:05:03] just formalize that, then Kelly, and moving forward, just have it be, you know, Mr. and Mrs.

[1:05:09] Sure.

[1:05:09] I can let Sophia know if she takes her minutes, in short, she would not mind.

[1:05:13] Okay.

[1:05:15] As I'm reading that first line for that first one of 18 long lake, Daniel asked Dan, like,

[1:05:20] very confusing.

[1:05:23] I believe Ted was a Ted do set representing 19 Christina Street. There was

[1:05:29] a question mark as to his last name and the members of the public.

[1:05:34] I don't recall.

[1:05:44] I know members of the public if they don't participate then you don't potentially know. So

[1:05:50] I'm not sure if that's members of the public president or members of the public that participated.

[1:05:56] participated. I guess it's participated because they're in the media. I know we say present

[1:06:00] because we're all obviously just on the meeting, but that's not something I've ever noticed

[1:06:05] but should that actually be members of the public who participated because there could

[1:06:10] be other people watching. I don't know. Maybe it's split air.

[1:06:13] No, no, I would agree that that reads of everybody in the audience who are obviously with the

[1:06:18] select board, they're not going to go around and get names of everybody in 103 for a meeting.

[1:06:23] that's, you know, it's really going to be anybody who participated, presented, spoke.

[1:06:28] So, yeah, we may just want to clarify.

[1:06:30] Yeah, we need to change that, change that language on that, on that fourth line there,

[1:06:33] members of the public that had participated. That would be great.

[1:06:38] And then my only other was a formatting thing on public hearing,

[1:06:42] 19 Christian street. The following line is also bolded, which I know some of the other

[1:06:46] minutes start to have some more bolding, but this one didn't, so I would just say,

[1:06:50] Unbulled that, Ted representing 19th Christine Street.

[1:06:58] I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes as presented and edited as discussed here in this meeting.

[1:07:07] I'll second.

[1:07:08] Roll call vote, Matt Waisen.

[1:07:10] Matt Waisen, yes.

[1:07:12] Daniel Kane.

[1:07:13] Dan Kane wrote, yes.

[1:07:14] I'll leave you down again.

[1:07:15] I'll leave you down again, yes.

[1:07:21] Next, we can do June 24th meeting minutes.

[1:07:27] and I will have to abstain from this, so let me know if there's a motion.

[1:07:38] I'd like to suggest some amendments to the minutes for that meeting.

[1:07:42] I know Sophia had sent my request to you guys a while back.

[1:07:47] I'm not sure if you remember getting the email for that.

[1:07:50] I was just making sure that certain things were captured to help with public trust in our appointment of Kelly.

[1:07:56] some transparency there, so let's see. In the minutes, it said, Matt said one applicant

[1:08:08] was interviewed based on standard procedure, and I would like to amend this to state. Based

[1:08:12] on standard procedure, Matt explained similarly to hiring Francis that position was posted

[1:08:19] and opened for two weeks. It's the typical process. There were multiple applicants. Applicants

[1:08:24] were reviewed and we as a board who were involved in the process as well as other participants

[1:08:30] from town. We came to the decision Kelly was the most qualified candidate and that was

[1:08:34] the one we wanted to move forward with. So just to amend it to say that and there was

[1:08:40] another section.

[1:08:43] Kelly introduced herself to the attendees and I wanted to amend it to

[1:08:47] say Kelly introduced herself to little 10. Libby mentioned people wanted to know if Kelly

[1:08:53] would be committed to our town and she assumed since Kelly was on the call, she is committed.

[1:09:01] Kelly said she grew up in little tin and loves the town and Libby said that was good

[1:09:04] to hear and Dan Cain said growing up in little tin is hopefully a strong in endorsement

[1:09:08] of commitment anyone could ask for.

[1:09:12] So just to sort of capture that,

[1:09:18] that's it.

[1:09:22] Libby, if those are voted on, can you send those to me if you have the written?

[1:09:26] Yeah.

[1:09:26] Thank you.

[1:09:27] Dr. Wesson, if you can give us a so-moved, I

[1:09:34] kind of had similar, just it felt a bit brief

[1:09:38] based upon the gravity of the conversation, but I don't know, Libby, if you re-watched

[1:09:45] it and transcribed what you just said, in which case I'm in favor of that.

[1:09:51] Yeah, Kevin Davis, it actually sent me LCTV script, and so that's what I used was this transcribed

[1:09:58] LCTV script probably from AI.

[1:10:03] It seemed to match what we experienced.

[1:10:06] That sounds accurate then, yes.

[1:10:08] Any

[1:10:12] other questions, comments, additions?

[1:10:16] Dan K.

[1:10:17] Yeah, just again, as Matt had said, that are kind of our bowling pattern tends to two very

[1:10:23] minutes to minutes, and this one has multiple places that are bolded.

[1:10:27] Some for action items.

[1:10:28] Some just seem to be items.

[1:10:30] we want to maybe clarify that. Again, not critical for third paragraph,

[1:10:40] Dane Kane, common error, but drop that extra e on Dan,

[1:10:50] Cockney Rimey slang, you know. And and for this, I would say if this one I I kind

[1:10:56] of like the bold it calls things out that we are supposed to kind of like follow up

[1:11:00] as long as we do consistently. Yeah, I'm okay. Yeah, just I think you just need

[1:11:05] to pick a format that we want to stick with,

[1:11:08] I've got no problem with it,

[1:11:09] as long as we're consistent or as consistent as possible with it.

[1:11:13] Yep.

[1:11:17] I can meet with Sophia and we can come up

[1:11:19] with a consistent pattern for you guys.

[1:11:23] And I'll still pass on, like I said last year,

[1:11:25] in some way, like the minutes are great.

[1:11:27] Like the information in here is,

[1:11:29] it's not as I've seen the long time.

[1:11:32] So now we're nitpicking and having higher expectations.

[1:11:37] Which is annoying, but a good problem to have.

[1:11:40] I

[1:11:45] will make a motion then to accept the minutes for June 24th with the changes specifically

[1:11:51] described by Liddy and Dan.

[1:11:54] I'll second.

[1:11:57] Motion and second roll call vote, Liddy Donigan.

[1:12:00] Liddy Donigan, yes.

[1:12:02] Dr. Wiesen.

[1:12:03] May I wait for you, yes?

[1:12:05] Dan Cane, both yes.

[1:12:07] Kevin Baker abstains.

[1:12:10] Moving on, we have July 22nd meeting minutes.

[1:12:22] Dr. Wayson, any questions, comments, concerns,

[1:12:24] edits, changes?

[1:12:30] This is not that it just, the way it struck me. I don't know if we've historically

[1:12:35] used the phrase vote past unanimously or if we could put the vote count. There's the piece of

[1:12:40] me that just feels like, when I see unanimous, I feel like it's all of us, but I mean like this,

[1:12:45] there were only three members present. So like the prior minutes, we just approved that one said

[1:12:52] the motion passed four dash zero. I personally would feel like reporting votes in terms of the

[1:13:00] score. I don't know. I can be swayed by the way. It's a unique thing that is just how does that

[1:13:09] strike me and see that. I like that too, Matt. I think it makes it more clear.

[1:13:15] Or Pasfer didn't because obviously the votes are right there,

[1:13:18] so we could obviously look, but no, I agree.

[1:13:21] Then just including the members of the public that participated instead of

[1:13:26] that were present in the top header,

[1:13:32] would there be any changes or edits to this one?

[1:13:36] No, probably just more of the same with falling a pattern.

[1:13:42] Okay, great. Well, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes for July 22nd with the edits discussed here tonight.

[1:13:52] I'll second the motion. Okay, we'll have a roll call vote. Libby Donigan.

[1:13:57] Libby Donigan, yes.

[1:13:59] That way, son.

[1:14:00] That way, son, yes.

[1:14:01] Dan Kane.

[1:14:03] Dan Kane of states.

[1:14:05] And Kevin Baker votes, yes.

[1:14:08] And we'll move on to August 12th's meeting minutes.

[1:14:13] and assuming we'll want all the same formatting up in the header with the members of the

[1:14:18] public that have participated.

[1:14:21] I would like to make a motion to push this off for further review.

[1:14:27] I'll second that motion.

[1:14:29] We'll call the Libby Donning.

[1:14:31] Libby Donning and yes.

[1:14:33] Dr. Wieson.

[1:14:35] I'm Luis Dines.

[1:14:36] Dan Cain.

[1:14:38] Dan Cain votes yes.

[1:14:39] And Kevin Baker votes yes.

[1:14:40] And

[1:14:49] on to Correspondence.

[1:14:53] Anyone have anything?

[1:15:02] Okay. We got an email. So it came to Kevin and I from Kelly. I love having fresh blood and

[1:15:11] enthusiastic folks working with it. It's wonderful. I appreciate all the guys and talking about

[1:15:20] things beyond Title V because that's obviously an important part of what we do, but it's great

[1:15:24] seeing things other than just another Title V variants. But you know, so certainly I think

[1:15:30] this is a great opportunity for us to kind of reset a bit. We have a new director in the department.

[1:15:38] We're trying to still look at the future. We've had some barriers in the past, but we're trying

[1:15:42] to look at the future of how best to move forward as a department and as a board. So the suggestion

[1:15:47] to really talk to the mass association of health boards, MAHB, which we've heard a number of times

[1:15:53] tonight has volunteered to come out to one of our meetings. Talk a little bit about roles of

[1:15:59] health boards. I went through their new member orientation a very, very, very, very long

[1:16:05] time ago when I was in Bureka. But that scope of things we don't necessarily think about

[1:16:09] it's easy to come into a board that's existing. And, oh, I guess this is what we do. And

[1:16:14] there are lots of pieces that boards of health have responsibilities for that you may not

[1:16:17] be aware of until someone tells you that, oh, yeah, no, here's, you know, here's the

[1:16:22] The national laws, here's the, you know, code of regulations.

[1:16:27] Here are things that boards are responsible for, and there are the experts that can help

[1:16:31] us kind of really look at both scope of responsibility from a state regulatory piece, places where we

[1:16:38] have probably local responsibility that we might not necessarily be acting on, or be an advocate

[1:16:44] for our communities on the behalf, simply because we're not aware of that something that should

[1:16:48] land on us. And the other piece, obviously, as we're starting to build out a department,

[1:16:53] we have Kelly as a subject matter expert in the office. But if we can kind of utilize

[1:16:59] them as well as, okay, how best to remove from a regional two years ago to bring things

[1:17:07] in-house and being the most successful, what things belong with board members, what things

[1:17:12] belong with board officers, what things belong with the department. And really kind of almost

[1:17:16] the line between the select board approach a few years ago of where's board, where's professional

[1:17:22] town hall staff and how do those lines exist and where do we not cross of utilizing them.

[1:17:30] And it's not like they volunteered to come out and visit with us in a meeting to talk

[1:17:35] about one.

[1:17:36] We can answer some of our technical subject matter questions for data centers and climate

[1:17:40] but also just provide some input guidance whether we choose to take that guidance or not,

[1:17:46] but have the opportunity to ask some questions of, you know, and get some ideas of how we can best move forward.

[1:17:53] I think it was awesome and I would love to see if we can as a board make that happen now that we've got the offer from them.

[1:17:58] They're willing to come out and help or talk to us.

[1:18:01] You know what, the worst we say is great come talk to us and we can choose not to listen to anything they say,

[1:18:06] but we don't know what we don't know until we know it.

[1:18:08] Yeah,

[1:18:15] thank you. That's great.

[1:18:19] I'm looking forward to sitting down with the MHB and getting informed.

[1:18:25] Do you think we can get them on our agenda for our next meeting?

[1:18:31] I think it would be helpful to have.

[1:18:33] Yeah, I can get them on the agenda for our next meeting.

[1:18:37] I would suggest that you keep that meeting agenda very light and just have mainly them.

[1:18:43] So postponing sort of your well-regulation, postponing all those things that we've already talked about putting on our next meeting, so that it opens up room for you guys to ask as many questions as you would like.

[1:18:56] That would be my suggestion, but completely up to you.

[1:19:04] That makes sense. Yeah, but let's use that time to make sure we have those well regulations ready to be executed. Yeah, worked on on the 23rd of September.

[1:19:16] Yep.

[1:19:20] Just as part of that, Kelly, do you because you obviously have a better sense kind of where we are?

[1:19:25] Do we do have anything in the pipeline for public hearings for various requests and those kind of things that we have?

[1:19:31] I would hate to put off residence for their pieces for administrative one, but if we

[1:19:38] look like we have much or there's nothing that we anticipate in a couple of weeks.

[1:19:44] See, we have one for 20 orchids.

[1:19:47] It's not a very big variance request, so I think you'll be fine to just kind of push through

[1:19:54] that variance request before we meet with MHV.

[1:19:56] So, I'll keep them on because I already did promise them that they could go on the next

[1:20:00] agenda.

[1:20:01] But it's not, I don't think it's going to be a big discussion.

[1:20:05] All right.

[1:20:06] No, great.

[1:20:06] Thank you.

[1:20:06] That's exactly kind of what I was thinking.

[1:20:08] Yeah.

[1:20:09] I would hate to make them wait.

[1:20:11] So, that's it.

[1:20:12] Thank you.

[1:20:13] Yeah.

[1:20:13] Of course.

[1:20:19] And a correspondence?

[1:20:20] Livy, did you have something?

[1:20:22] Yeah.

[1:20:22] I received some other correspondence, Kelly and I were copied on some communication threads

[1:20:28] It's between a concerned citizen's group that's interested in passing an anti-quagulant

[1:20:35] redenticide ban.

[1:20:38] I know that Dustin Neal with a littleton conservation trust reached out to me and they're hopeful

[1:20:45] that we will see public benefit from a citizen's petition for a home role petition and local

[1:20:53] municipal property ban of hero's second generation anticoagulant were

[1:20:59] denticides but in another email they kind of talked about how just a ban on

[1:21:05] first and second might be what they're looking for. And I know that there's a

[1:21:10] question about whether or not our board could sponsor this concerned citizens

[1:21:15] group to get it on the warrant for town meeting.

[1:21:24] Yeah I think they should come

[1:21:25] for a discussion on it.

[1:21:30] They are here, I believe.

[1:21:32] Oh, great.

[1:21:37] All right, I'll join Deary from Harvard Avenue again.

[1:21:40] I'm also from the Little Finn Conservation Trust

[1:21:43] and to get it onto the Autumn Town Meeting,

[1:21:48] we need to have 100 signatures in our article written

[1:21:52] by and submitted by the 11th of September, which we really

[1:21:56] want to do.

[1:21:57] And we've been working with people who

[1:21:59] past similar town meeting articles in Maynard and Air so we kind of have the

[1:22:07] language they crafted and we're gonna use that to make hours but I guess we

[1:22:14] were wondering like do you know if anyone else in town is working on something

[1:22:19] like this no and would the Board of Health be able to support this kind of

[1:22:26] effort to eliminate these anticoagulant or the intersides there. They're terrible for a wildlife

[1:22:32] like they have a long half-life both in the target animals like mice and so on and also in soil

[1:22:39] and water so they have really long-term knock-on effects on hawks and owls and foxes and kids and dogs

[1:22:48] and cats so we have to vote on it. Yes I would imagine so but we don't have anything to give

[1:22:56] to you tonight. Ellie? Yeah, I just want to say I have never seen a board of health sponsor

[1:23:02] in article, a citizen's article at a town meeting. So that might be something that we want to talk

[1:23:08] to MHB about. I think you could probably give your verbal support, but I've never seen an article

[1:23:18] be actually sponsored by the board of health. So I would advise the board to check with,

[1:23:25] to get some advice on that prior to actually making some action.

[1:23:30] And Joanne, I think it's a great idea, but that is one of them.

[1:23:33] Okay, thank you so much.

[1:23:34] Thank you so much.

[1:23:34] Kind of what we were wondering.

[1:23:36] Yeah.

[1:23:37] We were working with the Select Board too, with Karen and Mark.

[1:23:41] And they, I think, want the littleton conservation trust to be the ones that bring this article forward.

[1:23:48] But Mark's going to help us craft it and, you know, get something that is likely to pass.

[1:23:54] another question that I had for the Board of Health, is there a way to find out

[1:23:59] where on-town property like what town departments are using these kinds of

[1:24:05] identity sides? I've seen the stuff at the post office, I've seen it in summer

[1:24:11] time around schools but not in a couple of years I've been there but there's a lot

[1:24:16] of other town buildings and I didn't know if there's a way to find out like is it

[1:24:20] used in how much is the town spending to use the stuff?

[1:24:26] To answer that question, I would

[1:24:29] check with the D&PW. They mainly do the majority of our grounds. So I would check with them

[1:24:35] for the schools, obviously, check with the school department.

[1:24:41] Because I don't think there's a permitting

[1:24:43] requirement through Board of Health or conservation or anything for it. For using those, I think you're right,

[1:24:51] There isn't. I guess that's pretty much all the questions that I had. I think Dustin might also be in this call. I don't know if he has anything else to add.

[1:25:06] Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?

[1:25:08] Yes.

[1:25:09] Okay. Great. Thanks. Dustin, Nailed 17, Lakeshore Drive. I'm also a current president of Littleton Conservation Trust. Thanks, Joanne, for summarizing.

[1:25:16] Our intent is really to do two things with VS citizen petition.

[1:25:21] One is to petition the state legislature for what's called a home rule petition.

[1:25:27] So the town cannot by law do a ban on stuff like that on private property.

[1:25:34] So the way that it works is we would be petitioning the state legislature to allow it.

[1:25:39] More than 20 other towns and Massachusetts have done so successfully already

[1:25:44] in submitting a home rule petition, but the state legislature is not prone to

[1:25:49] approving them on a one-by-one kind of mishmash basis. Instead what it seems

[1:25:54] like is happening at the state level is that they're moving toward sort of an

[1:25:57] opt-in plan where if something wider is passed at the state level, then towns would

[1:26:03] be able to vote in order to opt-in to a rodenticide ban, but if we're able to do

[1:26:08] the home rule petition in advance, that would basically set it up so that the

[1:26:12] moment that passes at the state level, Littleton has already opted in, so it's really more

[1:26:17] of a future-looking thing to be a wider town than, and then secondly is the sort of more

[1:26:22] immediate and local true restriction on municipal properties, and we'll certainly be reaching

[1:26:28] out to, it seems to me, the obvious local entities are highway because the transfer station

[1:26:35] in particular, Park and Rec, possibly because there's, you know, food and facilities and

[1:26:40] things like that at some of their events and of course the schools curious if you guys

[1:26:45] have any advice about the perspective of those groups.

[1:26:51] If you have any feedback possibly from around town, I know in the Long Lake neighborhood

[1:26:56] we are not rat free as we have plenty of neighbors with chickens and things like that.

[1:27:02] I would say those things have ramped up a little bit so it would certainly be valid concerns

[1:27:05] that we want to take care of things but the right way.

[1:27:08] So, um, we definitely be, you know, all years for any, uh, comments or guidance you have,

[1:27:14] whether it's historical comments from the public or watch out for things like that, but

[1:27:17] we certainly would appreciate your support, even if it's just sort of conceptually verbal

[1:27:21] at this point, so that we could say, you know, for example, that the Board of Health is

[1:27:25] supportive of the effort, generally speaking, as we go to collecting interest and things

[1:27:29] like that.

[1:27:40] As you say, certainly, I think lots of us have bits of knowledge around it and the concerns.

[1:27:46] I think obviously it would be hard for us to take action tonight, and certainly, I personally

[1:27:52] would love more formal understanding of what your goals are and what the background is

[1:27:57] of why before taking an action, but I'm with you in principle.

[1:28:02] As far as municipal properties, I can't speak to what other departments do, but I would,

[1:28:08] it's not like you're already working with the select board, and I think that would probably make the most sense,

[1:28:12] because it would be hard if school says, you know, okay, we're not going to use it, but DPW says we are going to use it,

[1:28:18] and parks and directs as we, it's, we're back to that mishmash, same kind of approach from the state.

[1:28:23] I've wanted to have a consistent message that, you know, it seemed like, if it's municipal property,

[1:28:28] there probably be select board level of this is our policy either way probably be the most logical

[1:28:36] approach to trying to repeat the wheel multiple times with every body that governs

[1:28:42] type of property. And if I may just to be clear, um, uh,

[1:28:47] select board member, Ronbacher sort of said, yes, he's, you know, supportive of it,

[1:28:51] but he wanted to make sure we make you guys aware as well, so we're kind of here in his direction also.

[1:28:55] Can

[1:28:58] I just ask a quick question? Obviously, it's a health issue, but obviously, it's a conservation

[1:29:03] trust. It's a conservation issue as well that while it has potential effects for our

[1:29:08] human residents, it really has a more immediate concern for Florida and Fawna, that this conservation

[1:29:17] has a perspective whether it's to be the sponsoring board for Tommy Warren or taking

[1:29:24] action under conservation authority have they are they kind of part of this process as well

[1:29:30] I hadn't heard anything mentioned from them. The Conservation Commission? Yes, sorry. Thank you.

[1:29:35] We haven't talked to them directly yet but the Conservation Trust angle is certainly about the

[1:29:41] health of wildlife and of course we have lots of properties that we have neighbors too as well so

[1:29:46] our angle there is certainly that as much of a ban as we can get helps benefit

[1:29:51] that all of the conservation properties in town, which as you know are kind of patchwork

[1:29:56] all over for better or worse.

[1:30:00] That's what we're coming from. I'm sure we'll be able to have their support as well, but we haven't got period now. Thank you. Have you done it?

[1:30:11] I guess I'd want to make sure that, like personally, I support or identify ban not speaking for the board, but just on behalf of myself for some of the reasons that you've listed. I just want to make sure that with Kelly at the Health Department, that if we do create some policy around this or

[1:30:31] band on red anticides that when we're talking about some of the developments in town around

[1:30:35] 550 King Street, the senior housing across the street from that and the Shakerling Building

[1:30:40] Project. I know that can sort of displace rodents and create an issue for people in surrounding

[1:30:46] neighborhoods with the septic project downtown. I know that sort of displaced a number of rodents

[1:30:53] kind of towards my neighborhood off of Goldsmith. So I want to make sure that we, as a health

[1:31:00] Department or you know me the conservation trust can put out some messaging to the public

[1:31:05] about safer alternatives. And I just want to make sure we have a tool to sort of manage

[1:31:09] things in the event that a number of rodents are displaced and we need to manage things.

[1:31:15] Yeah, it's certainly our intention to do so. We've collected lots of helpful materials from

[1:31:20] other towns that have been successful in this regard in particular. Air and

[1:31:26] And the main area I think locally have contributed quite a bit of that stuff to us.

[1:31:32] Thank you.

[1:31:37] I think what the Board of Health can do now to help if it so chooses or pleases is to adopt

[1:31:44] a formal resolution under its general power to make reasonable health regulations, documenting

[1:31:50] the risks of these poisons for primary and secondary poisoning, make some recommendations

[1:31:58] and put it in a document that we can deliver to the Select Board and help the cause.

[1:32:06] And if I may ask that that also include any information you may have about

[1:32:13] rodent-borne illness that may or may not be present in the community.

[1:32:16] I don't personally know of any, but I think it's fair of people to ask if that's the case.

[1:32:20] And it would be great to say that there is none or it's a metamolar.

[1:32:23] It's within typical, you know, thresholds, things like that.

[1:32:26] If we have that data, Kelly, I don't know if we have that data.

[1:32:30] We would probably have that data, but we haven't had anything come through our data system.

[1:32:38] Okay.

[1:32:38] I was on a radar.

[1:32:39] I appreciate it.

[1:32:47] So it was a deadline for the Board of Health to have a resolution for something like this

[1:32:51] if it chooses to do so by September 11th?

[1:32:57] I don't know if there's a deadline for the Board of Health.

[1:33:00] The deadline for the Conservation Trust is sponsoring an organization to get it on the

[1:33:06] warrant is September 11th. If you wanted to have your support shown it wouldn't

[1:33:12] have to happen by September 11th. Town meeting is I think it's in November.

[1:33:21] Okay.

[1:33:29] If we can have a discussion about a resolution, if the board so chooses to

[1:33:33] make one, that can be included in the materials for the town meeting.

[1:33:39] If the board chooses.

[1:33:45] Kelly, if you wouldn't mind adding that on our

[1:33:46] September 23rd agenda to

[1:33:50] discuss that and we'll try and include something in the packet.

[1:33:54] And maybe we can talk about this with MHB to get some guidance on it as well.

[1:34:04] Excellent. Thank you, Dustin. Thank you, Joanne.

[1:34:07] Thank you very much. Thank you.

[1:34:10] Any other correspondence,

[1:34:14] Dr. Wason?

[1:34:15] quasi-correspondence, it was anonymous basically. Next door, more than once I've seen basically

[1:34:22] somebody move into the community and ask, on next door, who halls trash? We have

[1:34:28] trash rags, we have a list and a computer somewhere of those companies that are authorized

[1:34:33] to do so, but do we have a way for members of our community to find the names of those

[1:34:40] places. I know we do not want to live like we are sponsored anything or

[1:34:45] promoted anything but I feel like is there not a way we can open up what

[1:34:50] you're referring to is the list of trash haulers that have paid their

[1:34:54] permissive right right yeah so that it's accurate all the time yeah no we can

[1:35:03] I can probably down I'll try and see how to download a list of who be

[1:35:08] permitted, and I can post that on our website.

[1:35:11] And I assume those institutions give us a phone number so that we can provide the

[1:35:15] phone number next to it to help just, I don't know if it comes on the report, but they

[1:35:21] should.

[1:35:22] It would be who then to give us a working phone number if they want to help get customers

[1:35:26] that way.

[1:35:27] Also true.

[1:35:30] That's all.

[1:35:31] Yeah, I can put that on our website, I'll figure that out.

[1:35:38] Thank you.

[1:35:38] No problem.

[1:35:42] Any other board member updates, comments for discussion or public input? Dan

[1:35:48] came.

[1:35:52] You're muted. Yeah, I'm doing so well tonight. Well, you know me, I'm pretty

[1:36:00] chatty, so I'm in chatting mood. So a couple things, one, around our agenda, timeliness,

[1:36:07] packets, public hearing notices. Again, we've kind of turned over. That institutional

[1:36:14] knowledge is not lost but needs to be reset a bit as we've turned over directors and

[1:36:20] administrative staff of, you know, just, I think at this point, it's probably some

[1:36:24] down to Kelly and Sophia. I'm sure your knowledge is great but just touching base with Tom

[1:36:30] Clark to make sure that our process is compliant with hearing notices and what needs to be in

[1:36:36] paper what needs to be on the bulletin board, what needs to be on the website, as far as

[1:36:40] public hearings, and what needs to be included on agendas to be making sure that we are

[1:36:46] compliant with open meeting as far as topic to be discussed, not just addresses, those

[1:36:50] kind of basic things.

[1:36:54] And let us know what the board may need to do to facilitate that

[1:36:57] process, or if that is a town hall professional staff piece. But that would probably be really,

[1:37:03] really helpful. And from the board side, you know, so certainly we had a challenge

[1:37:08] couple of weeks ago because Kevin was away. Good for you, absolutely okay, being away.

[1:37:12] But just wanted to make sure we communicate with each other that if we're not able to

[1:37:17] or don't anticipate being able to get to emails, you know, on a regular basis and we get that,

[1:37:22] we're all there. I've been there as well. Just make sure we communicate with each other

[1:37:25] so that we're covering each other's responsibilities so that, you know, we as a board are

[1:37:33] still functioning as we need to without basically having one person be, you know, the yes or no,

[1:37:41] the liver die kind of kind of role. And I also, that's for, you know, at the moment that

[1:37:45] we've, many of us on the screen have been chair and have been that seat that, you know,

[1:37:50] for Kevin, we don't want everything that necessarily have, lots of things have to go through

[1:37:53] Kevin. But if there are things that don't need to go through Kevin or that he can delegate

[1:37:57] or need to delegate, we just need to make sure we're working together as a team to make

[1:38:01] sure those things happen so that yeah everything's not going to one place if it doesn't need to or simply hey yeah

[1:38:08] I'm going away and I don't really want to be thinking about the Board of Health agenda for two weeks from now

[1:38:13] while I'm in you know the South of France I'm not going to South of France but those kind of pieces that

[1:38:19] that's perfectly appropriate simply say I'm away Dan your vice chair when the agenda comes out

[1:38:24] handle it or you know it goes to Libya or whoever but just make sure that we're working together

[1:38:30] to make sure we're covering each other's roles,

[1:38:32] responsibilities, just to, because again,

[1:38:34] it takes a village, so let's take care of each other

[1:38:36] as well, because we have enough stuff that we,

[1:38:38] we want to do, we're excited about getting

[1:38:40] some new things done, which is make sure

[1:38:42] we're working together as a team to support that.

[1:38:44] 100% and I think this project management organization,

[1:38:48] all those things that will be coming together

[1:38:50] over the next couple of weeks, I feel like

[1:38:52] we'll really help us to get some good work done.

[1:38:55] So I appreciate everybody's support here.

[1:38:57] You guys are doing great.

[1:38:58] Great.

[1:38:58] So thank you for all the help.

[1:39:00] It's a great fun sound.

[1:39:05] Yes, Dan.

[1:39:06] One more.

[1:39:07] I told you it was chatty.

[1:39:09] I love the idea that Matt Brackley brought up that we had done a retreat back just when

[1:39:14] Francis started.

[1:39:15] So two years ago, give or take, that as we're kind of turning over, we have a new member

[1:39:21] of the board.

[1:39:21] We have a new director.

[1:39:23] Do we want, you know, reinforce that?

[1:39:25] Do we want to kind of bring that back and figure out where do you, where does our new director

[1:39:29] see the department as a functional group, where do we see the health department as a force

[1:39:36] for good in the community, and how do we all work together to make that happen, and doing

[1:39:40] a retreat would probably be a great way of bringing us all together in one place at

[1:39:46] one time, not on Zoom, and being able to actually just really discuss and work through, because

[1:39:52] Libya's brought some great new ideas. Kelly's already brought some great new ideas of like, okay,

[1:39:56] Okay, how do we put these all together, how do we prioritize where there are overlaps

[1:39:59] that we can get the most bang for our buck, you know, we can do three projects that really

[1:40:04] get five goals, how do we forget all those things out, and that may be, you know, I want

[1:40:08] to resport again from Matt's idea of coming back together as a group so we can really set

[1:40:12] that, what's our one year, three year, five year kind of vision, and how do we get their

[1:40:17] piece that's hard to do with these Zoom meetings.

[1:40:23] I love that, and we should try and carve out some time for that before the end of the year.

[1:40:34] We were talking about correspondence. I don't know if that applies to what Kelly had

[1:40:38] forwarded us about freedom on August 28th and 2026. The mass DPH had an emergency order

[1:40:47] that will classify freedom as a scheduled one controlled substance for having to get

[1:40:51] sale in possession statewide and providing local boards of health, with enforcement and authority.

[1:40:57] For the public home may be listening, it's CRATOM, and it comes from a plant native to

[1:41:05] South Asia, Southeast Asia, and it's sold as an energy booster, mood lifter, pain

[1:41:10] reliever, and remedy for symptoms of quitting opioids, otherwise known as withdrawal.

[1:41:17] Depending on the amount used in its potency, CRATOM may produce different effects.

[1:41:22] lower doses cause stimulant-like effects such as increased alertness and higher doses

[1:41:26] cause opioid-like effects such as pain relief and sedation.

[1:41:31] The products may vary greatly and it can be difficult to know how much you are consuming.

[1:41:38] And it's important to note that FDA, DEA, NIH, Mayo Clinic, and John Hopkins all view

[1:41:44] to create them as a problematic substance.

[1:41:46] So I just wanted to sort of pass that along to the public.

[1:41:53] So on that note, I'll be doing spot-and-specions

[1:41:56] just to make sure that they're off-part shelves

[1:41:58] in little tin.

[1:42:00] Thank you.

[1:42:08] Does anyone have anything else?

[1:42:13] Yeah.

[1:42:14] Sorry.

[1:42:17] As we look at future, I hate adding things to Kelly's plate

[1:42:22] as she's settling into the role

[1:42:24] but as we're looking at staffing, as we're looking at workloads, we've talked about this in the past,

[1:42:31] try to really see what the workload looks like for the department and the members of the department

[1:42:37] of, you know, is there a way we can get monthly or bi-monthly kind of activity reports?

[1:42:44] All right, you know what, for the month of July, I did, you know, 13 food service establishment

[1:42:51] I'm sorry, six month inspections because we know food service every six months, food

[1:42:57] service establishments, read inspections, 10 Title 5, 4D poll visits, we've had 3 cases

[1:43:05] of this, all the standard stuff.

[1:43:08] Yeah, so I will actually stop it right there because I put together a Google form this morning

[1:43:12] and I'm already tracking it, so you will get some reports.

[1:43:17] Great. Again, I know it's hard enough doing the job, but also then making little tick marks on your paper every time you do stuff, but its data is power, particularly these days with finances that if we can't show that we're doing the work, then we're certainly not going to get FTEs.

[1:43:33] And we also, you know, for not that we don't trust Kelly to do a great, great job, but we are a board of, and we need to provide that oversight.

[1:43:42] are we meeting our regulatory requirements and simply having that awareness of oh yeah we've had

[1:43:47] as we know now COVID cases in town how many you know food poisoning or other infectious disease

[1:43:53] although standard pieces that fall into boards of health that it's just nice to know that when someone

[1:43:57] approaches you oh hey what's going on with well I can't really share information but I have no

[1:44:02] idea what you're talking about is it really the message we want to send so now I appreciate that Kelly

[1:44:07] you're already way ahead of me so thank you so much I'm gonna say hey you're ahead of me you're

[1:44:13] already better than than what I'm thinking so I appreciate your your forethought and being

[1:44:18] three step ahead of me. I love it.

[1:44:22] Just a little bit of housekeeping we have our next meeting is September

[1:44:29] 9th followed by September 23rd then we don't meet again until October 14th so we have a couple weeks

[1:44:37] off there. We could potentially squeeze in a executive session retreat. And then we meet

[1:44:47] on October 28th. We cannot meet on November 11th. So, and also November 25th is a night

[1:44:55] before Thanksgiving, is it the pleasure of the Board to meet?

[1:45:00] Council November on the 18th, the middle Wednesday, if LCTV is available.

[1:45:14] Looks like it works for us as long as it works for Kelly. Yeah, I'll be around. I will be away the week of Thanksgiving. So that's what's going to work for me anyways.

[1:45:28] So Kelly, maybe if you could just ask LCTV and maybe Diane, if we could just do November 18th as our school meeting. And in the in the down time between meetings, we can potentially

[1:45:40] put together some retreat options for folks to attend.

[1:45:47] I think Libby.

[1:45:52] Oh, Libby, did you have something to say?

[1:45:55] Yeah, I was just going to continue the conversation that Dan was talking about with Kelly,

[1:46:00] tracking her work.

[1:46:01] I think that the police department shares their blotter with the public,

[1:46:05] but I think that it will be an important piece for us to help grow the department

[1:46:10] to offer that transparency for the town.

[1:46:12] so the town can see she's really doing a lot of work, and maybe it makes sense to try to advocate

[1:46:18] for a bigger health department.

[1:46:21] So I like that. Thanks.

[1:46:27] And just looking out into December,

[1:46:31] we're due to meet on the 9th and on the 23rd. I'm not sure if the 23rd is a conflict for people,

[1:46:38] but I just want to put it out there. That potentially we should meet. And I guess it depends on our

[1:46:43] workloads so we can take a look at this in November as well, but just putting it on people's

[1:46:47] radars.

[1:46:55] Does anyone have anything else?

[1:47:02] If not, I'll look at a motion to adjourn.

[1:47:06] Oh, does Cali, do you need any signatures still on anything?

[1:47:10] Nope, got them all.

[1:47:11] Great.

[1:47:12] Yep, so the tobacco policy will go into effect on September 1st.

[1:47:18] I'm working with our tobacco control people to bring that to all of our individual retailers

[1:47:24] and build your spot inspections as well.

[1:47:29] We're all set.

[1:47:30] Great.

[1:47:32] Motion to adjourn.

[1:47:36] Second.

[1:47:38] Ball vote.

[1:47:39] Libby Donigan.

[1:47:40] Libby Donigan, yes.

[1:47:42] Matt Waisen.

[1:47:43] Matt Waisen, yes.

[1:47:45] Dan Cain.

[1:47:46] Dan Cain votes, yes.

[1:47:49] And Kevin Baker votes, yes.

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