[0:35] We're missing it, see. He said he was going to log in early to make sure everything was working.

[2:54] I'm trying to turn my video on, but it won't. Can anybody hear me?

[3:01] Yeah, you know, I told you to basically ask as a participant to turn your video on, maybe that will pop.

[3:07] Say it, say again.

[3:09] Let's have Cody see if they can do it for us.

[3:12] I'm trying to stop my video. Oh, here. I was pushing the camera bottom left with a line through it.

[3:19] you're there. And I'm calling in because I don't have video capability on my computer. Hopefully you guys can

[3:30] work with a blank screen for me. And I can see two big users at least I can see one but

[3:37] that two of them present. Yeah, once my desktop, I'm sorry. I don't know how to do this. I work off

[3:43] I've had and that reminds me, I've been a fire at my iPad.

[3:51] So no one has any trouble hearing me?

[3:54] Nope, hear you.

[3:55] That's not clear.

[3:57] The full be my participation.

[4:01] And then to Mr. just be aware if you're watching the communicates video, be aware of an echo back and forth.

[4:09] And it's a lay, there's about a six second delay as well, so I would not recommend you have that on the background.

[4:16] Yeah, watch it later, I promise.

[4:20] I don't use my iPad for that, but I use it to look at.

[4:26] I legislate.

[4:30] Do we need that, too?

[4:32] No, well, you have a paper copy, but I like to be able to strip through the pages with that.

[4:39] sometimes I need five hands to put my fingers in places where to remember things.

[4:53] So if I don't have the night tap in the city yet, how do I get back, I legislate on the desktop

[4:58] you can't?

[5:00] I legislate is about to become obsolete. Okay, probably the last meeting that it's going to be used. If I have anything to say with it, everything goes as planned. This is the last meeting.

[5:12] I think I'm good. I think I've got all the supplements believe me. I've been backing things up.

[5:21] Zach, the last supplement was the letter from residents along East sunset. Is that correct?

[5:29] that is correct. Yes. That was sent directly to the commissioners and then it's also been posted on granted, because as well, it came in about

[5:37] the ground three this afternoon.

[5:43] So 602 is who's going to call the meetings act.

[5:47] So, you see it's fair.

[5:51] Very briefly.

[5:54] Okay.

[5:57] Meeting on July the second of the planning commission.

[6:02] The first thing on the agenda is a roll call.

[6:09] Commissioner Smith.

[6:10] President.

[6:12] Commissioner Patel.

[6:14] Here.

[6:16] Commissioner Indico.

[6:18] President.

[6:19] Commissioner Washira.

[6:23] President.

[6:25] Chair Cooper.

[6:26] President.

[6:32] Let me ask Deborah.

[6:34] Do we first appoint the chair or do we first want to go swearing in?

[6:39] We have swearing in first on the agenda.

[6:42] Okay.

[6:42] Let's do that.

[6:43] We're just going to do it alphabetically.

[6:45] And I have to do it individually because we're on Zoom.

[6:49] So I apologize that you have to hear me three times, but we're going to start with the commissioner comparison.

[6:54] So if you could raise your hand and repeat after me.

[6:59] Don't be able to play your collegians first.

[7:07] He said, do you want to do the pledge of allegiance first?

[7:09] I guess so,

[7:14] I pledge allegiance to the flag word of the United States of America and to the Republic, which it stands, one nation, and a God, an individual with liberty and justice for them.

[7:38] Wow, and any skipped over that one. Okay, pledge allegiance.

[7:42] Okay, yes, if you could raise your right hand and repeat after me.

[7:47] Okay.

[7:47] I state your name.

[7:49] Hi, it's a comparison.

[7:51] Do solemnly affirm that I will.

[7:54] Do solemnly affirm that I will.

[7:58] Support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[8:01] Support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[8:05] And the Constitution of the State of California.

[8:10] against all enemies foreign and domestic.

[8:13] Against all enemies foreign and domestic.

[8:16] But I will bear true faith and allegiance.

[8:19] But I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States,

[8:23] to the Constitution of the United States,

[8:25] and the Constitution of the State of California,

[8:27] and the Constitution of the State of California,

[8:30] that I take this obligation freely.

[8:32] But I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation.

[8:37] without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion for purpose of evasion and

[8:44] that I will well and faithfully and that I will well and faithfully discharge the

[8:49] duties upon which I am about to enter. Discharge the duties upon which I am about to

[8:55] enter. Thank you. Thank you. Okay Brigina, it's her turn.

[9:00] Yes, thank you, Bruce.

[9:03] I, state your name.

[9:05] I, Brigida Indico.

[9:07] Do solemnly affirm that I will.

[9:10] Do solemnly solemnly affirm that I will.

[9:13] And defend the Constitution of the United States.

[9:17] The important defend the Constitution of the United States.

[9:22] And the Constitution of the State of California.

[9:25] And in these foreign and domestic.

[9:27] against all enemies for an indomestate.

[9:33] That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution in the United States.

[9:42] And the Constitution of the State of California.

[9:47] That takes this obligation freely.

[9:49] mental reservation,

[9:52] without any mental reservation, or purpose in the

[9:57] You're all in faith, Ali.

[10:00] And that I will well and say to the duties upon which I am about to enter.

[10:05] This charge the duties upon which I'm about to enter.

[10:10] Jim, Commissioner, will show your turn. Thank you. I say your name.

[10:16] I, Jim, will show. Do solemnly affirm that I will.

[10:20] Do solemnly affirm that I will.

[10:23] Support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

[10:26] support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the state of California and the Constitution of the state of California.

[10:36] Against all enemies foreign and domestic.

[10:38] Against all enemies foreign and domestic.

[10:42] That I will bear true faith and allegiance.

[10:45] That I will bear true faith and allegiance.

[10:47] To the Constitution of the United States.

[10:50] To the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the state of California.

[10:55] and the Constitution of the State of California that I take this obligation freely, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation,

[11:09] or purpose of evasion, or purpose of evasion,

[11:14] and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.

[11:20] discharge the duties upon the giant mouth out to Pinter.

[11:24] Thank you very much.

[11:27] Well, it's back in my court. Now, first of all, welcome Jim. I've

[11:31] beginners already been around, but this could happen to a nice

[11:36] cigar. You don't know what you're in for.

[11:39] I very much appreciate the welcome. I will need a lot of

[11:46] all of your assistance in learning all the roles and the responsibilities

[11:50] But I am very dedicated to doing an excellent job here.

[11:57] Please don't hesitate to give me suggestions and advice.

[12:02] Except that we have to disclose them on their ex-part.

[12:04] That's right.

[12:06] Going on to the appointment of chair and vice chair.

[12:13] There's a funny quirk in the rules here.

[12:15] Anybody can nominate anybody, but there's no need for a second and I'm going to nominate

[12:23] Regive to be the chairman

[12:27] Is there any objection to unanimous consent

[12:33] hearing none?

[12:34] I believe that was enacted

[12:39] Congratulations, Regive

[12:41] I don't have a gavel here, but symbolically you're it,

[12:49] man

[12:53] I need your mute.

[13:01] I'm sorry.

[13:03] Okay.

[13:05] I took your Gabo and just wanted to say thank you panic commissioner for placing

[13:10] your trusted me as a new chair.

[13:13] I strike you to my best and hopefully support to keep me in line as I learn and come up to

[13:19] speed of the rules and responsibilities of the chair.

[13:26] Now, we have to also point a vice chair, so any, you know, nominations or suggestions that the planning

[13:39] commissioners might want to make.

[13:43] I would like to nominate Brigitte in the chair for vice chair,

[13:51] okay?

[13:52] Anyone who would disagree with that nomination?

[13:58] And the other nominations also can come in.

[14:02] Yeah, I don't sorry.

[14:07] Anyone have any other suggestions or nominations?

[14:12] Any other volunteers?

[14:16] All right.

[14:18] I just seen none.

[14:21] We need to.

[14:22] You are the Vice Chair as of today.

[14:25] Congratulations.

[14:26] Oh, well, thank you.

[14:27] Thank you, everyone.

[14:28] I hope I get to hear Reggie.

[14:31] Yes, he is.

[14:32] Well, as I say, it can be a lot of fun.

[14:36] But I think Ed is probably the cleverest guy, yeah.

[14:44] It's okay.

[14:46] So I believe as the chair, I will take over from here and start our next item, which is presentations from the floor.

[15:00] This is an opportunity for any member of the public to address the planning commission on any issue that is not on the agenda.

[15:10] We cannot discuss or take action on or discuss these items, but we can refer them to staff.

[15:19] you will be given at most three minutes to present. We will open the virtual floor and

[15:27] go to can you please assist in seeing if there's anybody wishing to talk.

[15:51] Hi, I'm Shamali Manajee, so 1 3 2 1 2 East Sunset Drive and I wanted to discuss,

[16:06] I know

[16:08] I don't hear me by the way.

[16:11] But it's already on the agenda.

[16:13] Okay. All right.

[16:14] Yes. We can hear you.

[16:17] But this is for presentations, which are items not on the agenda.

[16:23] Okay. So the letter is already on the agenda then. Am I right?

[16:28] Yes.

[16:29] Thank you.

[16:37] Okay,

[16:44] since there are no other presentations from the floor or from the public, I'll close that presentations and move on to the approval of minutes, I can 4.1 for the June 4 2020 regular planning minutes meeting minutes of the planning commission.

[17:07] Any comments or dates from my fellow commissioners?

[17:23] I'm a motion to any motions.

[17:27] I'll move to accept the minutes.

[17:32] I'll set the June 4th.

[17:38] I believe I heard the Gita in another couple.

[17:42] Second?

[17:43] Yep.

[17:45] To maybe have a roll.

[17:47] Combo?

[17:52] Turner Smith.

[17:54] Yes.

[17:57] Vice Chair Indico.

[17:59] Yes.

[18:02] Commissioner Washera. Yes. Commissioner Cooper. Yes. Chair Patel. Yes.

[18:13] All right. So, the meeting

[18:14] minutes are approved and we now want to this evening's public hearings. We have four items

[18:22] on the agenda today and I've been instructed to read the new language for directions. So,

[18:29] your goals.

[18:32] Public hearings are especially noticed items for discussion, and even wishing to speak regarding

[18:40] a public hearing should fill out a speaker card in this virtual environment raise your

[18:48] hand-on zone or place a chat window message on Zoom prior to the completion of the

[18:59] staff. The order of business for public hearings will be as follows. Staff presentation

[19:09] followed by the applicant presentation which will be limited to 15 minutes. Commission questions

[19:16] and clarifications followed by public comments where each person would be limited to three minutes.

[19:26] Applicant response, limited to five minutes, and finally any commission comments, questions, and actions.

[19:36] If you challenge the proposed actions in code, you may be limited to raising only those issues you are someone else raised at the public hearing described below.

[19:49] or in written correspondence, delivered to the planning commission, ask or prior to the public hearing.

[19:58] Any interested party means...

[20:00] May also appeal a determination of the planning commission to the city council by filing a written notice of a appeal with the city clerk within 22 days of the district.

[20:13] On non-refundable filing fee and a deposit of services shall accompany each notice of a fee, except that any member of the council may file such an appeal without payment of a fee.

[20:29] I'll ask for any export-a contact disclosures.

[20:34] Please be sure to identify which names are associated with which agenda items.

[20:43] Sure, I'll go first.

[20:46] I talked a long one ago.

[20:49] We have two items to do with East Medal,

[20:52] another East Medal, Sunset.

[20:56] 5.15.2.

[20:58] And I discussed the road there, rather than the actual development, with a Michele, you,

[21:08] but we last saw this and a couple of times on the telephone since then, but discussing

[21:14] the road rather than the specific things, the building permits.

[21:20] I talked to Jim Washera, mainly to welcome him on board, and to just cover the general procedure,

[21:27] no particular agenda item. And that's it.

[21:37] Go ahead. Okay. Expert A. So for the East Sunset Drive, I just happened

[21:44] running to New Commissioner Wisher on the site. So we can look at it in the weeds

[21:50] there together. And then also I spoke to of course Krista on all her projects. And also

[21:58] I spoke on, oh, I had in 5.2 East Sunside Drive

[22:04] with the undershon structure and also for these Suns

[22:09] Apology, I spoke to a site representative

[22:12] for the Jesuit Recreed Center.

[22:15] I also spoke with the Prisma 5.3, the applicant, Joe,

[22:22] Bellaboo, and his wife on that one.

[22:26] And I also spoke with the EDP committee which was girl got lived B.J. Hajima and Shell Colson.

[22:33] I think I get everybody.

[22:38] Anyone else?

[22:42] All right, so I spoke with our idea of things that I didn't click.

[22:47] Fasting up strategies.

[22:49] Oh, go ahead Jim.

[22:50] Sorry about that.

[22:52] On the three different items,

[22:54] there were three out of the four that I do discuss with other commissioners and other people.

[22:59] The item 5.1, 13 to 10 East, sunset, I spoke with Commissioner Indico, Steve

[23:08] Adam Zackdahl, and the architect Fred Herring, and on either pipe 0.2, I also spoke

[23:15] with Brigitte about that briefly, and Zack, and Christie Yoos, the planner.

[23:19] Malika, Juneteenth, the architect and Sean Supter,

[23:23] who was the owner of that property.

[23:26] And on the person who wrote property,

[23:29] I spoke with the owner Joe W.

[23:33] Bella, you've shown her an option that wrong.

[23:35] And Chris and briefly with Commissioner Couparis.

[23:40] That's it.

[23:44] All right.

[23:45] And finally, I spoke with Gusta and Zach regarding item 5.3.

[23:53] gives us your new, just wanted to let you know. One approach we all have chosen to take is if you

[24:02] wore a speed, you can just raise your hand in the hero window and you'll get your chance.

[24:12] Thank you. All right. So let's move on to item 5.1,

[24:19] 1, 3, 2, 1, 0, these sunset drying lands of time, side development permit for a new 5, 260 square

[24:30] for two story residents with a 3, 3, 6, 2 square for basement that includes a 4 car garage

[24:38] and a pool. This project was continued from the June 6 2020 planning commission video.

[24:45] Steve, maybe have to stop for four please.

[24:49] Certainly.

[24:49] Thank you Chairman Patel and members of the Commission.

[24:53] I'm going to share the screen here.

[25:00] Okay, hopefully you're seeing that. So here's the perspective of the home that we're going to be looking at here tonight.

[25:08] Again, it's a new residence, a reading, obviously, a reconstruction removal of the existing residents just as already occurred with a basement and a pool.

[25:16] And is that 132110, 210, east sunset drive, a little background on the project, an August of 2016, the residents with a similar design was approved at a fast track hearing.

[25:28] The neighbors did have concerns with construction traffic back then, and this is a condition

[25:35] requiring 48-hour notification for heavy construction and also any kind of truck traffic

[25:43] and such.

[25:44] But this residence was never constructed.

[25:46] The same architect was involved then.

[25:48] So now we have a current owner that purchased the property in 2017, and they submitted a project

[25:53] in April of 2018, again, the same architect.

[25:56] The Plan Commission saw this project on June 6, 2019 at that hearing there were some concerns

[26:03] with the massing of the structure, three-story visual impacts, and so the Commission voted

[26:09] for zero one to continue the item off calendar with directions removed structures from the

[26:14] steep slopes to Ruse of Floria and to use darker exterior colors.

[26:20] So it took about a year to get everything straight down, but then June 2020 the project was

[26:24] complete and now we're at the hearing. Here's an aerial view and I've also highlighted all of

[26:30] the property owners that are surrounding. This is a subject property here, East Sunset, and so some

[26:35] of these individuals may be speaking, residents may be speaking, but you have a perspective here.

[26:40] This is a town limits by the way, also just to make sure we understand where this is located.

[26:44] Here's the Jesuit receipt, retreat center here. Here's a close-up of the property. This is when

[26:49] house still exists if it's been removed since. As you can see most of this area down here is

[26:55] just grasslands that's steep slopes but goes down to this this is the lowest portion of the

[27:00] lot down here. And then this is the this is the sunset over here. So this is the existing grilled

[27:05] trees that's being retained and you can see there's some perimeter landscaping on either side there.

[27:12] Here's some photos so with the story poles I'm standing on the street looking over the gate. You can

[27:17] to see the poles here. The pad is about 10 feet below the street at this point, where we're

[27:23] with the existing pad that they're using for the same elevation for the new house. Here's

[27:28] again some photos looking out towards the south here and then also some looking standing inside,

[27:35] looking back at the grove of trees that's remaining.

[27:39] These are some site photos showing this is

[27:40] the steep slope behind the home. That goes basically it's about a 20-foot slope that goes up to

[27:48] properties that are up on this area here. So it's a steep slope with some vegetation that's being retained.

[27:53] This is not being affected at all. The house is being built beyond this existing walls that are there.

[27:59] Here's a view showing some homes up the canyon towards Dan drive that through the trees.

[28:05] Here's also another home that is directly adjacent to this property on the same level.

[28:09] Right over in this area here that I think you get a good photo. I thought I had better photo of it.

[28:13] But you can see through the trees when you're on the site.

[28:15] you can see the home that's located there.

[28:17] I think it's the wisest on it.

[28:19] Here's looking down to the canyon,

[28:22] where the gesso is forced to hillside over here.

[28:25] That's the gesso center.

[28:26] So you can see this quite a view looking down that way

[28:28] into the east.

[28:29] Here's another viewpoint looking towards, again,

[28:31] the east foot hills.

[28:32] Here's the existing trees.

[28:34] This oak has been pruned, but again, it's still pretty healthy

[28:38] and probably going to retain that pruned design

[28:41] style of the tree there to keep the view there.

[28:44] And this is, again, showing a view.

[28:45] This is actually a view from the driveway up above the house to show that if you're standing

[28:50] I'm very close to where the driveway tops out here, the top of the house is about the same height.

[28:57] The top of the survey, sorry, it's a little bit blurred when I enlarge it to that, so I apologize for that.

[29:02] But basically utilizing all the same graded pad that you can see here, these walls are coming in to match the 30-foot setback.

[29:10] So all of this area is being, all this pavement is being removed from the 30-foot setback on this property line here.

[29:16] Drive relocation is the same, but just do some regrating and you'll see on the next site plan

[29:21] the

[29:23] What it gets the next site plan are the new split drive a configuration. So quick project summary here

[29:28] It's about a 5200 and 60 square foot two story residents with a 3360 square foot basement

[29:34] a lot is two and a half acres, but it has an average total of 30% so that reduces the MDA and MFA

[29:41] pretty significantly as you see by 9800 square feet and 6550

[29:45] So the original proposal back in the 2000 or 2019 was looking at a 9,825-square for

[29:54] development area, which is basically the maximum that was permitted, so they had to

[30:00] Zero before. Now, with this new proposal, they actually have some existing remaining with development area to utilize. So they're not maxing off the development area. Neither of the floor area. The maximum allowed, as I said, 6550, previous back in 2019 was 6290, now they're only at 5263. Now, they've made that up by enlarging the basement, because that's where the forecar of the Rogers going. So the basement has significantly increased, and that's again due to the forecar of the Rogers being in the basement.

[30:30] So, the previous planning commission direction stated that they should move structures from

[30:34] the source greater than 50%, so the architect and designer has moved everything up onto

[30:39] the existing graded pad that's there before they were having this pool step down the hillside

[30:44] in a very steep slope, and that was some of the concern of the commissioners so they completely

[30:49] have built everything on the pad.

[30:51] As for reducing floor area, they asked for 700 square foot reduction, they actually reduced

[30:55] by 1,000, 27. Again, this is our counted floor area and not the basement, so the basement

[30:59] has increased, but again, that's not invisible. They also asked it to use darker materials

[31:04] that blend more into the landscaping. They do have a dark bronze metal roof and integrated

[31:09] cement plaster coloring, although they didn't specify the color. The conditioner approves

[31:14] to take 50 light effectively value of 50 or less, but that isn't as dark a color if you're

[31:22] looking at something that blends more in the landscape. You probably need a leg food

[31:25] flexibility value, probably somewhere in the 40 range below 40. So just want to make

[31:29] that clear.

[31:31] So here's the site plan, what they've done is they've taken the existing drivel

[31:35] entrance here, split this. And the reason why these split is for fire department

[31:38] regulations, the fire department wants to be able to back up to the house to

[31:43] for any kind of emergency or fire fighting reasons. And so they created this

[31:47] separate driveway here, the fire department has agreed to. And it's got a less

[31:52] of a slope, also, and meets their criteria.

[31:55] And so that's what created this design.

[31:57] Because they did reduce the footprint of the house.

[32:00] They did pick up a little bit of that

[32:01] extra development area.

[32:02] So that allowed them, again, to put this second driveway

[32:05] and the removing the development area

[32:06] that was all back in this area here that was part of the parking

[32:10] and another structure that had, like, an accessory guest house

[32:13] back in this area.

[32:15] The pool is roughly in the same place

[32:16] if you've been to the site, you see the story pools

[32:18] are all on the pad.

[32:19] And then the pool is basically in the same place

[32:21] of the pool is now. Now, because of the situation of the

[32:26] uncaustallity of fill in the property,

[32:28] they're going to be removing most of this in re-engineering it

[32:32] to build up to, you know, the standards that are required for the

[32:36] geotechnical engineer. So, but again, most of the soil will be replaced

[32:41] back in kind, although they are excavating about 1,400 cubic yards

[32:46] of a soil. And so, that is, you know, obviously in a

[32:49] some truck trips and that's mostly for the basement.

[32:53] There's some elevations of the house.

[32:56] I'll briefly just go through these as you can see.

[32:59] This is a large sweeping roof on it.

[33:01] This design is similar.

[33:02] There's a home on a summit wood that I think I put in the staff report.

[33:07] If you want to see a similar design by this architect.

[33:09] So it has these large sweeping curved roof structures.

[33:12] Very interesting.

[33:14] The roof is all dark bronze.

[33:17] math finish. So that's definitely meeting the criteria of a dark color. And the walls though

[33:23] again, not specified, but they are a cement stucco type, smooth cement stucco integrated

[33:28] color, so that we may want to look at slightly darker colors than just a LRV of 50. And so this

[33:36] is the billing. What I wanted to show is this next slide is more important. This is a slide that

[33:40] the, but this is the elevation at the planning commission was looking at back in 2019. As you

[33:46] elevation, this whole exposed area was the pool with a room below. If now drop this down,

[33:52] spread the building out more and drop the height of this overall wall, and so you can see this

[33:57] is now basically the pool area here and there's showing just slightly bit of it is exposed.

[34:03] So this is a new elevation that we're looking at. There was an issue with the easements on this property.

[34:10] So back in 2016, there have been an agreement to have an open space easement on the lower part of

[34:17] property. Everything below the 350-foot contour line. The applicant is agreed and the owner

[34:24] has agreed to that same contour level. So basically this, all this area below here will

[34:29] be in open space easement. It will allow the septic system because they are proposing a septic

[34:35] system for the south. There's an existing one now. So that will allow that. And that is not

[34:40] uncommon. We do allow underground utilities in easement so it's space easements. And this

[34:45] of valid reason, they're not close to the sewer, it's about three or 400 feet down the road,

[34:52] and the way the house is, they may have to pump up to it.

[34:55] So these are all criteria that don't require it, can I get to sewer?

[34:58] As for the pathway, he's missed it.

[35:00] This did go to the Catholic committee. Again, originally, the owner had proposed ten foot easement even before the town approved this pathway segment on the master path plan.

[35:13] And so they have again shown a ten foot easement here on both these elevations. This is east sunset up here.

[35:19] The ten foot drops all the way down to this low corner then comes up this way and this would continue on to Diane drive and I have a graphic of that on the master path plan, the amendment.

[35:29] So this is showing the property here, so this is where the easement would be on this too.

[35:39] Property lines here, along the entire property lines.

[35:41] I want to also show some pictures here showing, there is some issue of potentially sharing the easement on the other property.

[35:50] There's a condition which will come up in the next item.

[35:53] I wanted to show some pictures just to show what this is like dropping into where the pathway would go.

[36:00] There's a line here that roughly shows where the neighboring properties property line is.

[36:05] So you'd be crossing a portion of this, but this tree is actually on on the subject property 1, 3, 2, 1, 0.

[36:11] And then this is a very steep drop off going down to this home.

[36:14] You're literally looking on the roof of the home.

[36:16] And the picture over here is showing if you go around this spruce tree or whatever it is.

[36:21] You can see there's plenty of open land, and just in this graphic, you can see the house is located approximately here.

[36:28] It's several hundred feet before you even close to this property line.

[36:33] So there's been some discussion of potentially having more of the pathway on this.

[36:36] So I just want to provide these to the discussion comes up, but there's clearly plenty of room on this side of the property.

[36:44] If this property owner is, maybe we'll need to look at in-larging the easement on that side.

[36:50] Account committee comments, environmental design and protection.

[36:53] They were supportive of the new design.

[36:55] Again, it's revised one from the 2019.

[36:58] They said it complies with the direction given by the planning commission.

[37:02] They still have concerns with recess lighting on the upper roofeeps.

[37:04] This type of design has very large overhangs.

[37:07] And so it's because of those large overhangs, there is a lot of opportunity to put recess

[37:12] lights in them.

[37:13] The architect, the designer, has stated that these lighting, these lights in the roof,

[37:21] these are set pretty far back behind the edge of the roof even, so they wouldn't have

[37:25] much of a visual impact, plus as you saw in that view looking down below there basically

[37:31] no homes looking up at at this point, but it still could potentially do some kind of a light

[37:40] or the roof-eve light.

[37:43] So they do have some concerns with those.

[37:44] They wanted to have those removed,

[37:46] but also to the limited exterior building lighting

[37:48] to 600 lumens to 3000 kelvin's.

[37:52] They were a concern about the exterior building color.

[37:53] I think it should blend better with the background.

[37:56] It wasn't stated again, but they stated

[37:59] that it should be more of a darker,

[38:00] some kind of earth tone, maybe, or something like that.

[38:03] And while life from defencing around the open space easement,

[38:06] that's standard in all the open space easements

[38:07] and that's written into the agreement language

[38:09] and also in the condition that I wrote for this.

[38:12] Oppa Space again, a sort of their request for an open space easement on the lands of a low

[38:20] 350-foot elevation, and also a lot of left-friendly fencing.

[38:24] And pathways again, the owner has to pay the $10,000 fee, the $1,000 fee that's standard

[38:28] of every new residents unless they've already paid it, and they also dedicate the ten-foot-wide

[38:33] pathway easement along the north and easily property line, into a line with the recently

[38:38] adopted pathway from the MPP.

[38:42] So in public comments, we sent out a public notice to all surrounding property owners within

[38:46] 500 feet.

[38:47] So there's been concerns raised by the neighbors on the roadway condition.

[38:51] He sends it as a narrow road.

[38:53] There's two homes being built very close to the same time.

[38:56] That's the narrow section of road where these two homes are and some blind curves.

[39:00] They've voiced these concerns at the previous hearings.

[39:03] So they were voice back in 2016, that resulted in that condition that we have added again to

[39:09] this project also with regard to having a flight persons that either end any time you have

[39:13] trucks or cement deliveries or any kind of construction involved a truck that they have to

[39:18] have that those flag persons out there the entire time that the operation is occurring.

[39:23] But they still have a lot of concerns with just with the road, I have some pictures coming

[39:28] up, I did go out there and measure it is about 12, 13 feet wide, it is narrowest of the

[39:32] paid section.

[39:33] So, yes, I was, I was, why does, you know, driveway is in many cases.

[39:38] And so this is, again, we've gotten, you know, we did receive a letter, I have a copy here

[39:43] if the, if the, if there's about road it, but basically, I assume they're going to be speaking

[39:48] later on, but basically it's, raises a lot of concerns with the width of the road, concerns

[39:53] with construction traffic and such and that seems to be the major concern, there are some

[39:56] issues with reflectivity of roofing, the airport.

[40:00] Opposing a PV system, which is actually required by state law, to have some type of solar system on

[40:06] your, this is being on the roof, but generally yes, where it can be put and committed by

[40:11] right to be put on the roof if they want to do that. Again, this house is lowered below the

[40:16] other homes, and if it's that PV system is angled slightly towards the south east or west, then

[40:25] wouldn't be as much of a reflection on the homes above.

[40:30] But basically, that's a lot of the public comments that we've received in this

[40:33] main letter that you just received today,

[40:35] have to do with the concerns about the narrow way through the road structure.

[40:39] So here I just wanted to provide some photos of the road.

[40:43] Like I said, I measured it just about 12 to 13 feet here.

[40:47] And then there's that you can see there's a steep drop off on one side,

[40:50] and this is basically a very steep cut on this side.

[40:52] So, a very limited ability to simply widen the road just to be aware of that.

[40:58] Now, the public works department, I did talk to the director, she said that the public

[41:02] works is in the process of looking at guard rails throughout the town and looking at appropriate

[41:09] locations for these, and this is one of those potential locations.

[41:13] Unfortunately, they were held up a bit by what the reason pandemic and we're able to get

[41:17] moved forward as quickly as they could, but they are looking at that and other traffic safety

[41:21] measures on this road, so they are, and she indicated that if some neighbors have concerns

[41:28] or some questions that they can contact her, so I can freely give that email address.

[41:35] She said that she would be willing to, she may be on the meeting tonight if she's listening

[41:39] in, but anyway, that was, I just want to bring that up with her guard, because we are aware

[41:43] that there is definitely this concern of this road.

[41:46] Could you mention who she is?

[41:51] Yeah, I mean Nicole Bauer Sox, the Pogor circuit.

[41:53] That's all it.

[41:56] And so in our conclusion, recommendations, the new President, the Ressons Pool, MeetAll,

[42:02] Floor, Irator, Volmonary, Setbacks, and Hyde requirements.

[42:05] A design does incorporate multiple design elements intended to reduce the mass of the structure

[42:09] and it was modified to address specifically this planning commission recommendations.

[42:15] exterior lighting most because of the recessed under eaves and canopy lighting with lower

[42:20] lumens and warmer lighting and but they do still retain those under eaves on the second

[42:26] floor again because it's a deep recess and probably the designer can explain more of how

[42:31] he just came up with that lighting design.

[42:34] Without that the growth of trees will be preserved and we'll screen the structure from

[42:38] the homes below and also the screen vegetation around the perimeter property is being

[42:42] to entertain except for a few trees that have died, and they will be removed.

[42:47] Heavy construction operations will require notifications of the neighbors, the 48-hour

[42:50] notification, and flight persons to improve safety. So staff is recommending approval

[42:55] of the project. And I'm available for questions.

[43:03] Any questions for Steve?

[43:08] I have to go ahead.

[43:13] Yes, Steve.

[43:13] This is Brigida Indicco.

[43:15] Thank you for a very thorough report.

[43:18] This is definitely advanced along nicely.

[43:21] I have a question about the lotting for the second level.

[43:25] Looking at that picture is there a way you can just kind of point.

[43:29] I see there's like a terrace with the blue glass light doors there.

[43:33] There's not much of a roof overhang on the second level. That's what I'm talking about. Where would the exterior lighting be?

[43:41] Basically, I don't know if you can see my pointer here showing in this area. Yeah, you're basically in the two rear flange and not anywhere where the windows are

[43:50] Yeah, there's a deck inside here that that's where a lot of their lighting is they don't he he's not showing much lighting in these areas

[43:57] where it's a shallow roof-eave, it's only in the deeper roof-eaves in here and in this area here.

[44:04] I think Fred also stated down in the lower level as these large overhangs that he has some

[44:11] recessed lighting. There are recessed lighting that does have shields on them that you can actually

[44:16] it doesn't have the direct bulb shining downward and I think that might be something to consider.

[44:22] I think there is wall sconces would probably provide some of the same amount of illumination,

[44:31] just for the fact that it's a second floor, but I think we can look at maybe some shielded

[44:41] canlights or something. I've seen those before and they are pretty effective and not reducing

[44:46] layer. Yeah, because I'm looking here at a 2.1, there's like, it looks like a breeze way on that second level if I'm looking at this correctly in here, right? Yeah, is that enclosed?

[45:00] Or is that open? It looks like it's enclosed from, I'm not, you know, portions of it are an open deck. Just like this, back in here.

[45:11] Okay, so there looks like there could be like a balcony next to the elevator shaft.

[45:16] Yeah, I believe so. I mean, we can have Fred maybe explain in more detail.

[45:22] Yeah, that's the main question I have there, and then also on this image because I know that there is some

[45:30] siding as well, where is this maybe Fred he can go into this more the siding versus the stucco walls where that is besides the metal roof. I see the metal roof.

[45:43] But is there another out to other elements for the walls stucco and

[45:47] for the sightings actually on the back side

[45:50] that you can't see in this perspective.

[45:52] Okay, all right.

[45:54] And I thank you guys also for preserving all the trees

[45:57] as spectacular, great report.

[46:01] Thank you.

[46:01] I think you got them all my questions.

[46:04] And Jim,

[46:12] after I'm mute first.

[46:13] Yes, got it.

[46:15] Thank you Steve.

[46:17] Not only is it a good report,

[46:18] but I really appreciate your writing.

[46:21] I have a couple of questions.

[46:25] You mentioned there would be an issue about notifying the residents when a large truck comes by.

[46:33] Or is it planning to come by?

[46:35] What is a large truck?

[46:37] I mean, if the, if the, if the guy comes to empty the port of bodies,

[46:43] I kind of think that's a large truck.

[46:45] Does that qualify?

[46:46] Or is there something that we could tell the residents nearby so that they have an expectation of what this benefit does for them?

[46:57] Sure, so yeah, I wouldn't be I guess it should be more that it's when certain operations occur

[47:03] where there are obviously using trucks where they're delivering materials or the cement truck or they're hauling

[47:11] soil away, a random truck just coming every once in a while, like, you know, just like

[47:17] how the garbage truck goes around town, that probably wouldn't be anything. I mean, we

[47:22] could try and get that encompassed in this notification. But the whole point of the notification

[47:28] is that you know, $40 an advance that they're going to be creating or, you know, digging up

[47:34] basement for two weeks. We have flag men, both ends of the street, directing traffic, making sure

[47:41] residents are safe coming down up and down the road. But that's the type of idea that when the

[47:47] flag men come out or flag persons come out and when you're doing that operation. Generally,

[47:52] that's what we're looking at, not just the random truck once a while, that might come to pick up the

[47:56] septic or green septic system or something.

[47:59] So yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be, we didn't anticipate, you know,

[48:04] flagmen there to hear straight, because that might be what you would have

[48:08] to do to help us all of those possibilities.

[48:11] Okay.

[48:12] Thank you.

[48:13] I'm not really asking for changes in this area or suggesting changes

[48:18] in this area.

[48:19] I just want to make sure that the residents have an expectation

[48:23] that we can meet well.

[48:25] The other question or thought I had about this very subject is that the road, the truck size is kind of a function of how much room there is there.

[48:35] You have a slide, a couple slides back that shows a picture of the road, and that one right there.

[48:41] And you can see those only Anders are just really taking away 15% of the width of the road and sure somebody could drive over there, but they're not going to.

[48:51] I wonder who has the responsibility for trimming those only Anders, and whether there was

[48:57] something we could do modest effort to help the situation a little bit just by making sure

[49:04] that that is taken care of so that that doesn't further exacerbate the problem?

[49:10] Sure, in fact it's an interesting point you bring up about the truck size because during the

[49:14] there's some photos I think in the letter that you received showing the truck that was used in the

[49:20] was a tractor trailer and it actually couldn't negotiate some of the turns easily.

[49:27] So clearly that's not the type of truck that needs to be coming up this road at all.

[49:32] I mean, if they're hauling soils away, that's going to have to be the 10-ton trucks,

[49:36] which are basically three axle.

[49:39] It can't be anything with a trailer because they literally may not be able to

[49:43] negotiate the turns safely, but any event,

[49:46] Yeah, that's the idea is the types of trucks would be the, like the 10-ton, three-axle-type trucks.

[49:54] Not the ones with trailers, because you've probably seen the larger grading trucks that have the...

[50:02] So, we're looking on this. But for the road, maintenance, it is a public road. And so, obviously, public works. We've been in discussions with them. Are they been looking at options for traffic safety? And that's definitely something they could look at is potentially on this roadway of doing some printing back of some of the brochure, whatever that is extending into the paved area.

[50:26] Well, thank you. I don't think that we, it's our role to tell them what to do, but maybe we can elevate that for the sake of the neighbors there.

[50:39] But those were all really quick.

[50:42] Okay. Anyone else?

[50:47] And yet see no questions?

[50:50] Yeah, I do.

[50:51] But I'm losing myself.

[50:54] Going back to the picture we had before this, the artist's impression from the air.

[50:59] Yeah, I'm a little bit confused and I like clarification at one point I heard the roof was a bronze matte color.

[51:08] And then I heard reference to some kind of state permitted.

[51:14] Last thing, what did I said? They had a right to put some other thing on the roof. Oh, sorry.

[51:23] Sure, it's a it's a dark bronze map finish. So this is probably not exactly what a dark bronze map finish is, but this is what the architect gave us.

[51:35] It's easy that kind of darker brownish look.

[51:39] But it's the same thing as you were talking about.

[51:42] What's it PVC or

[51:44] Well, in fact, the home on summit would has that dark bronze roof finish.

[51:51] I should have taken a picture of it, that's my mistake.

[51:55] But yeah, this is more of that warm gray.

[51:56] So it would be a darker bronze brownish look.

[52:00] But the actual material is not metal, it's plastic.

[52:03] I know, this is a metal roof.

[52:04] It's a metal ceiling.

[52:05] I guess I heard somewhere, there was something plastic on the roof.

[52:09] Or did I miss the other?

[52:10] No, what I was saying was is there's a photovoltaic system.

[52:15] They're putting a PV array on the roof that you're not seeing in this picture.

[52:20] I heard it would be right this area here.

[52:22] Okay.

[52:23] I heard PVC and I, I'm sorry.

[52:28] Okay.

[52:29] That's what it was.

[52:30] Thank you.

[52:36] So finally, let me ask a question.

[52:39] Oh, okay.

[52:39] I think you done may have some question?

[52:42] I have two more questions, I'm sorry, it's such a lively conversation, it just percolates

[52:49] of their ideas for me. As far as on the solar panels, would they be flush with the design

[52:57] of the roof, maybe does either see the answer or the architect when he gets on, he can answer

[53:01] that, as far as how that would be integrated in the back there. And then the other question,

[53:08] which may be totally unrelated, but it is related somewhat. Currently there is a gate that is very close

[53:13] to the road. I'm assuming that any gates for the driveway and fences are going to be delayed

[53:20] for landscape screening review. And that's it. Thank you.

[53:26] Sure, I can answer those. Well, we met the designer architect out in the field, he did state

[53:33] that the PV panels would be flush with the roof that they're meant to be designed with the roof.

[53:40] You know, coordinated with the style of the roof.

[53:44] So those would be flush mounted.

[53:46] Yes, the gate is something that the fire department hasn't reviewed at this time,

[53:50] but any new gate has to meet those criteria, which are 30 feet away from the edge of the roadway.

[53:57] And that's where the gate would start.

[53:59] And we would be looking at that with the landscape screening and also any other exterior lighting that's not attached to the building.

[54:07] Okay, great. Thank you.

[54:11] Okay. My question was again regarding the road.

[54:18] Since the file department reviews projects,

[54:23] and if there is a private road or the road going into a home,

[54:29] it expects that road to be of a certain width.

[54:32] So does that review also apply to public roads and have they given any suggestions on what this public road should be, you know, how wide it should be for all of the residents and construction of these properties?

[54:54] Yeah, so the fire department does not comment on public roads.

[55:00] But it was a public situation where if it's a private road, it would need to be 20 feet wide, but because it's a public road, you can get a game with 13 feet or whatever narrow road, one chooses to have.

[55:29] I don't know what the answer to that problem is, but it definitely is ironic that that is the approach.

[55:41] If I may jump in here and it's been brought up in the latest letter, we as a planning commission wrote about this problem to the town council and we've never had a reply.

[55:54] And at the time that we wrote that, we had no idea that public roads, ironically, have no requirement

[56:06] I.E. the fire departments, says they're just dandy, but private roads, not only does the

[56:13] fire department demand that they be a certain width, they demand that they be wider in the

[56:24] the roads in Los Alters Hills, which boggles my mind. But that being the case, I'd like to

[56:32] just, so people can think about it, mention that we do have, right, at this point, to demand

[56:43] an extra right of way up on the road. So we can at least plan ahead. Now it may be hard to construct

[56:54] Because there's a slope, but at least we should have the right of way, the town has engineered stuff like that before there's a big curve on page mill road, which used to drop off like that and the town put in some pillars and pilings and built it out.

[57:15] So this is not the time to discuss that necessarily, but I'd mention it for you to start thinking about it.

[57:22] It is a town road, and I think we have a moral beauty as a town, then, to make an effort.

[57:30] And we'll discuss that later.

[57:32] Okay, agree.

[57:34] Yeah, let's continue with this item.

[57:37] So next, if there's no more questions, I would like to ask the applicant to make their presentation and please keep it to 15 minutes that is allocated to

[58:01] you.

[58:01] And believe Fred Herring is there is

[58:07] Fred you're muted.

[58:33] Who you were there Fred, then you needed yourself again.

[58:39] Now we can hear me, but not see me or you can both hear me and see me.

[58:47] I can only hear you, I can't see you.

[58:50] Well, it's probably best.

[58:56] As a general description, Steve gave a very complete and accurate report on the changes.

[59:03] that the essential elements that the planning commission

[59:07] asked me to alter from the previous version to this version.

[59:11] And in a kind of overview,

[59:15] it's essentially going back to the approach

[59:17] to the house from the street in the same way,

[59:20] my first design for my previous client was approved

[59:24] and deleting the large section of driveway

[59:26] that came farther down the hill

[59:28] to enter below the two-story house.

[59:31] That's the section of the earlier version that this commission reviewed that was found to appear to be too high when seen from down slope.

[59:42] That I think you can see from the rendering that's entirely altered now so that when you're if you were walking along that yet to be constructed trail at the back of the property that far down slope of the property when you look up.

[1:00:00] The highest element in the back where you used to see a full floor where cars could enter a garage.

[1:00:05] You now see three feet of pool projecting above the existing grade.

[1:00:10] So it's significant change in the appearance from the back.

[1:00:14] The other thing is managing to restrict the development entirely to the area of the pad of the 1950s house.

[1:00:22] So that we don't spanned out that was the don't build on 50% slow suggestion from the commission and

[1:00:32] In reply to some of the questions that were raised as Steve was making his presentation

[1:00:39] There are a significant number of places where the roof of this house the dark bronze roof

[1:00:44] Not only is the roof, but it rolls over and becomes the wall

[1:00:48] That's on the upslope side of the house you didn't see in that rendering and in terms of looking up into the house, which you would only do if you were down below on the yet to be constructed trail and you look up the softlets and the overhangs that we in that rendering appear to be sure not really so short their five feet six inches.

[1:01:11] There are also clad and cedar, so that Western red cedar is not a, it's a dark material, and it's my intention to have the stucco kind of a reflection and extension of the cedar softlets that are in the outside softlet and come right into the house and are in this big curved ceiling within, so it's a, it's the continuity of that.

[1:01:36] the sort of the visual demonstration of the shape of the space using that cedar ceiling that's hard to see in those renderings, but will be a really important visual part of the new home.

[1:01:50] The exterior lighting, I mean to restrict entirely to where you're coming out onto a terrace at the upper floor or the lower floor, the main floor, not to have it anywhere else.

[1:02:01] That second floor narrow portion of what's really a walkway between two lobes of space,

[1:02:09] one on the end toward these sunset is the master bedroom suite,

[1:02:14] and at the other end are smaller bedrooms.

[1:02:18] If that's not at all exterior, that's entirely interior space.

[1:02:24] And as far as light reflection of the exterior, reducing it to a level 40 is perfectly okay with me, I don't intend to be a bright white with a dark, dark roof kind of house.

[1:02:46] I can't recall any other specific questions you were asking, but if you have any please ask and I'll be happy to explain the building.

[1:02:59] Let's see what happens here.

[1:03:03] Thank you, Fred, and anybody from the African other than Fred, you are going to talk?

[1:03:11] I think that's it. I'm accustomed to doing these things and the main presentation I know

[1:03:17] ordinarily make to a commission or a series of architectural models. You've seen the last one.

[1:03:23] And I, of course, have constructed a subsequent one that shows this

[1:03:28] diminution of the down slope improvements.

[1:03:33] But if I could figure out how to, oh, maybe I can.

[1:03:37] There I am up there.

[1:03:39] So let's see if perhaps, oh, wow.

[1:03:46] Yeah, let's get it right.

[1:03:49] So you can see that this amount of pool showing above grade is all there is and the town's

[1:03:57] grading ordinance limits this to three feet. So if you, if you were out at the bottom of the

[1:04:04] law, looking back up, the height of the old sort of broken retaining walls there is actually higher

[1:04:11] than the top of the pool where it was supposed. So what you've got now is more visible from the bottom

[1:04:18] the lot from the walkway than what we construct subsequent life. And the soffets, maybe I'll

[1:04:25] turn that up a little and come a little closer, the soffets that will actually contain lighting

[1:04:32] on the upper floor are here and you go out onto this terrace and here we go out onto this terrace

[1:04:40] and here and those are deep overhangs. So if I set those soffets close to the wall, they're very

[1:04:47] mask from anywhere else.

[1:04:51] So I guess I can give you a view. There you are coming down the driveway

[1:04:57] to go under the house of the subterranean giraffes.

[1:05:01] You're in the emergency vehicle after I've just visited my client had a heart attack and how did you take it away? That's the fire department compliant roadway to get to the front door to pick me up.

[1:05:15] And the, there is the rear of the house, whereas I say the roof often rolls right over and becomes the wall.

[1:05:23] So, and the roadway up here, which is beyond the scope of my model, the top of this roof, the very high point, is pretty much the same as this driveway coming over.

[1:05:36] I sent some Steve some photographs that will mark up the illustrate that.

[1:05:40] And I spoke to the environmental committee on site and pointed that out to them.

[1:05:44] as far as I know, that was the success that presentation.

[1:05:49] That's the end scene from, let's see what I've got to write.

[1:05:54] Yes, that's the end scene.

[1:05:56] From that dense grove of trees that Steve was saying,

[1:05:59] if you peer through them, you can kind of obscurely see

[1:06:03] the house that's more or less at the same level,

[1:06:05] but the driveway up above his swept down and reached.

[1:06:09] There's one more house, but it's up this way.

[1:06:13] a slope from this, but it's vertical change, it's another from the top of this roof to the floor of the main level of that house is a vertical change in about 35 feet.

[1:06:29] It's really, if you are standing on the neighbor's porch looking down the story poles,

[1:06:35] the highest of which is this kind of grids line, like that. You'll discover that there's no way

[1:06:41] this building can intrude on them or cast a lot of light into that. There is a way.

[1:06:53] Okay, great. Thank you, Fred, for showing that Martin McReady perspective.

[1:06:59] effective. If you'd like to see the difference,

[1:07:08] it's the previous one. So you'll see you have a

[1:07:12] really basically a floor beneath the pool and then the pool and the garage here. So all of this

[1:07:19] is depressed considerably this time compared to where it wants.

[1:07:28] So if you have questions please ask.

[1:07:34] Yeah,

[1:07:37] thank you very much Fred for a wonderful redesign. I mean, you really took it and

[1:07:42] started over again. Very nice job.

[1:07:45] Now because I was out for the first time, or the second time around, not the first,

[1:07:49] the second time. Very nice with the model too. Let me just ask you because I have that lighting

[1:07:54] mentality and also I did go over to the Jesuit retreat center and they're the ones that do

[1:07:58] have the the biggest view impact from your your model there. So the only lighting that

[1:08:05] on the second level is right there, we're that bedroom number one is bedroom number

[1:08:10] two and three because that roof overhang is like almost like nothing.

[1:08:15] It appears to be which we should the overall hang from bedroom one is quite deep. It's actually

[1:08:21] five and a half feet at the far end of the building where it's the other two bedrooms you're

[1:08:25] that the overhang is very short. Yes, so there's I assume there's no recess lighting up in that

[1:08:31] story. There isn't a place to put it that's right. Yeah. And then on the one here with the deck

[1:08:37] with the bedroom number one is possible just to have like the the shielded wall sconces there and

[1:08:45] so have recess. I'm shielding is a good idea. If the kind of lighting that Steve was talking about

[1:08:53] I could find a fielded recessed light. I'd like that. I try hard to avoid lights on the wall

[1:09:03] simply because, you know, I'm looking for this smoothly curved surface and I'm trying

[1:09:09] hard not to put things on it. If I can't find one that is shielded that goes beneath the

[1:09:18] I'm happy to change it and you know, find myself a shield at one that I'll fit right next to the door.

[1:09:24] The main reason is because the elevation of the house pad itself is just pretty high up there,

[1:09:31] which gives you beautiful views, but also it creates a lot of views from various paths along the Jesuit retreat center,

[1:09:38] because I traipsed around there all this a day when I forgot permission to go over there and take a look.

[1:09:42] and that's only thinking and also there again because it's so highly visible from that area.

[1:09:49] The colors are going to be really important for me that it blends, that you blend with nature,

[1:09:55] and it seems like you want to blend with nature. And because it was just continued.

[1:10:00] To make your creation uniform, following your doctor, bronze, roof, and the stuck go in the, I think you want to kind of commune with nature sounds like.

[1:10:10] I do indeed. It's a beautiful sight and I wanted to stay that way.

[1:10:14] I'm so thrilled with your redesign. I thank you very much for really taking this task to heart and really coming up with a total redesign. Very well done. Thank you.

[1:10:30] I too am in all of your creativity for Eddie just looks marvelous. I don't have the experience that the other commissioners have about the technical aspects of the construction, but I know what I like.

[1:10:45] There is an issue on the far side of the property that has nothing to do with the construction.

[1:10:50] You and I spoke about this and I just wanted to briefly reiterate that conversation for the other commissioners.

[1:10:58] And that is that the easement for the pathway that is shared between your property and the neighbor property in the documents that were released was a ten-foot easement.

[1:11:11] And that causes a problem in that we need 20 feet because it's so steep, I believe you commented that you felt that you needed room to do switchbacks and not try to engineer just a straight set of stairs going all the way up the thing.

[1:11:27] And I'm just wondering if you and your client would be amenable to making that a 20-foot set

[1:11:35] of easements so that we could have the switchbacks and support this very important pathway

[1:11:41] primarily because it is so far distant from the home as it's designed.

[1:11:47] What do you think?

[1:11:49] Well, as I said this afternoon, I don't think there's a, I wouldn't like to see a specific

[1:11:57] number, like 20 feet, 30 feet or whatever, selected, but working with you to find a way to

[1:12:03] make the pathway work reasonably for somebody who's going to use it. I'm sure that will be okay.

[1:12:09] I'm certainly okay with me and I'm confident it will be okay with my owner. As you say,

[1:12:14] the house is a long way away. And right now, and I said this to the pathway committee before

[1:12:20] they requested, then feed and I said, yes, to that, that would be an almost continuous stare.

[1:12:27] I mean, and a stare that doesn't have landings is a really tough stare.

[1:12:33] So, it won't be true at the beginning along that property line, but then it will be very

[1:12:38] true.

[1:12:38] It may be that the appropriate easement after we figure out a stare that fits the ground,

[1:12:44] starts out 10 feet, and then becomes 20, and then goes back to 10.

[1:12:48] But I don't think it's one.

[1:12:49] We should just pick a number.

[1:12:50] We should simply say we'll be happy to work with you, so the thing will make sense.

[1:12:56] Thank you.

[1:12:58] That's the only question that I have.

[1:13:02] Any other questions?

[1:13:08] All right.

[1:13:09] Thank you, Fred.

[1:13:11] Since we have no other questions,

[1:13:14] I'm going to open it up for the members to the public at this point.

[1:13:19] Please restrict your comments to three minutes.

[1:13:22] And I have 40 assistant getting the public.

[1:13:39] I can hear me okay.

[1:13:43] Yes.

[1:13:44] Okay.

[1:13:45] I just wanted to jump in.

[1:13:47] I'm chair of the Pathways Committee and wanted to note that I completely agree.

[1:13:54] Staff report was great.

[1:13:56] But just noting the comment about also requesting an easement on the neighboring property.

[1:14:00] Basically, this property is better suited for the primary path going down, but because it's steep, we were thinking we would potentially need switchbacks for the neighboring one as well, so I know we're talking about this property now, but just wanted to kind of flag that that was the intention behind that and the context behind that conversation. Thank you.

[1:14:43] You're on mute.

[1:14:44] You're here.

[1:14:46] No, again.

[1:14:47] Okay.

[1:14:49] I would like to thank applicants, architect, for doing such a good job in complying with the instructions of the planning commission.

[1:14:59] It would really be too much.

[1:15:00] I do still have concerns about the lighting, especially on the second floor. And I think that one of the things that was brought up by Steve Patterson and Fred was to shield the rest of the lighting. And that would be great because the house is very visible, not only from the Jesuits, but across the valley, not so much from the current residents.

[1:15:30] The other thing I would like to do is say that I hope there'll be a little area of landscaping in front of the pool, where shrubs great to be.

[1:15:41] Point to mask the pool, the three feet of the pool that's the stuff.

[1:15:48] And one of the things that I noticed on the terrace on the second floor, does it have large whales.

[1:15:57] Because it looks, it's a beautiful thing, but it doesn't look like there's any railings.

[1:16:05] And the other thing that I would like to mention is going to be two homes which are aware of being built on a very narrow street.

[1:16:14] A Sunset, and I was wondering that you should probably condition it not only that you let the neighbors know what activity is going to be happening within 48 hours, but each of those sites working together and notifying each other, because you want 20 cement trucks at the bottom of Sunset, I've had a here on summer hill, where you just have constant

[1:16:46] So I think that it might be a nice idea to try to get those two types of things at the same time to talk to each other.

[1:16:59] And I think that's it.

[1:17:02] Thank you.

[1:17:26] If you are on real,

[1:17:43] whoever's on the phone number, you're still on you.

[1:17:46] We can't hear you if you're trying to talk.

[1:17:48] Yes, this is Shamali Banner G. Can you hear me? Shamali Banner G132123 Sunset Drive.

[1:17:55] I had a question for Fred. You did say that there would be PPC, the photovoltaic cells

[1:18:02] that would be covering the roof. So then what is the roof color is metallic bronze mat.

[1:18:09] And then the PVC slide are flush on it. What is the color of the roof at that point?

[1:18:14] And it's at 100% covered the roof, the metal roof.

[1:18:19] And my second question is, from your LE Salvation,

[1:18:25] all those windows that are there,

[1:18:28] so when the sun rises on the east,

[1:18:30] those will reflect.

[1:18:34] There will be so much glare.

[1:18:36] I have a couple of houses there,

[1:18:39] and some of them and during sunrise,

[1:18:41] and some of them, during sunset, this is huge glare from those windows.

[1:18:48] So what are your plans to decrease that glare?

[1:18:53] And that's it, thank you.

[1:19:03] Great, you're on mute.

[1:19:07] Wow, can you hear me?

[1:19:09] And can we wait till we hear all the public comments and then maybe you can address all of them together?

[1:19:16] I can't if you wish.

[1:19:18] Yeah, let's go ahead and hear all the other comments because you may have a not many more things to address.

[1:19:27] Thank you.

[1:19:36] Can you hear me?

[1:19:39] Yes, hi.

[1:19:39] I am your neighbor at 13254.

[1:19:43] I'm the owner of the other project and I just wanted to say I actually really support your project.

[1:19:50] I think the design looks great.

[1:19:55] I know we haven't been able to connect, I'd be happy.

[1:20:00] We could, but you're a project host, right? That's it.

[1:20:19] Do you doubt me, or am I still muted?

[1:20:23] Okay.

[1:20:24] So my question is, in terms of approval of this project, and by the way, Fred, very nice job.

[1:20:36] It's a product owner of AutoCAD and ArchiCAD, so I know what it takes to put that together.

[1:20:42] So very nice job on I would say flattening it out. I think it looks better now. I think it's kind of really great job

[1:20:48] But in terms of

[1:20:50] Approval this project that the planning commission sent the letter

[1:20:56] To the town council and you never got a response on the safety of the road

[1:21:02] Don't you have an obligation to get a response from the town council?

[1:21:07] You know, it is the case that

[1:21:09] It's going to be a lot of traffic, everyone knows that it's already dangerous and quite

[1:21:14] frankly, when you're a construction worker in a truck driver, speed is everything, so

[1:21:20] you can't imagine the number of near-head-on collisions that happen on that road on a very regular

[1:21:28] basis.

[1:21:29] So, first question.

[1:21:30] The second one, for Steve, very nice job in presenting everything.

[1:21:35] My question to you Steve is I'm kind of a metrics guy, so like a big truck is too fuzzy

[1:21:42] So why won't you just put a any truck over five tons why don't you put a

[1:21:48] You number on it. I think that would be really helpful

[1:21:52] And I certainly a four ton truck could be just a very large pickup

[1:21:55] But once again to five ton and above

[1:21:58] Then you're really taking a lot of road, but my first question

[1:22:02] and an alternate over to maybe the Germans.

[1:22:12] Oh, right.

[1:22:13] Who do anybody else?

[1:22:25] Hello.

[1:22:25] This is Michelle, you.

[1:22:27] I'm a resident on 13060.

[1:22:30] And the neighbors and I, we've created a letter.

[1:22:34] So I was wondering, should I read the letter?

[1:22:37] Or I was under the impression that Steve might read it?

[1:22:43] Uh, so we already received the letter and all the commissioners have read it.

[1:22:49] And it is being provided to the distributed to all public also.

[1:22:57] Is that right, Steve?

[1:23:01] So I'm assuming at this point there is no reason for us to read it

[1:23:06] because all of us are aware of that later.

[1:23:10] I see.

[1:23:11] In my case, can I specifically ask,

[1:23:15] I am wondering when I read the conditions of approval,

[1:23:18] there is a mention of a 30 foot right of way and I'm wondering if Steve can explain what the

[1:23:26] intention of that would be for.

[1:23:32] I can explain that right now if you'd like and I can also

[1:23:37] look at those other conditions and just answer that right now. So the 30 foot right of way,

[1:23:42] so in the town of Los Atos Hills when you have a public road, the ideal with for the total right of

[1:23:47] 60 feet. Right now Sunset is only 40 feet or at least 20 feet on this side. So that's why both properties are

[1:23:59] dedicating 10 more feet and it's just an easement. It's not actual land but they're dedicating

[1:24:04] additional 10 foot easement for the road right away. And so that's what that 30 feet is regarding

[1:24:10] is the half road with that's typically required of the public roads in town. As for the, I guess

[1:24:19] I could just dress that other condition also. I think that's a great idea. You're right,

[1:24:24] it makes sense to actually have a ton of truck, so five ton or ten ton truck or something

[1:24:29] of that regard. Probably a, you know, a large pickup is almost three tons or over three tons.

[1:24:36] So probably five tons would categorize any type of box truck or panel truck or some type

[1:24:41] of delivery truck.

[1:24:43] I just, I don't know how you PS things are seven tons, but I think airing on the side of

[1:24:50] more notification or protection of the, or have some, again, looking at trying to give

[1:24:58] as much warning to the residents as possible.

[1:25:00] To be not a problem, so I'd be fine with the five ton if we want to go that low.

[1:25:08] And I think the other kind of room with the other condition was that they were asking for, but that's all I can recall at this point.

[1:25:14] So if I was to look for a turnout, is that is that something I'm just wondering in terms of steps and before we, you know, decide whether or not to approve the project and for the planning commission, of course, to decide.

[1:25:28] But is there going to be any reassurance that a guardrail is an addition to the guardrail to have a turnout?

[1:25:36] I thought that the right of way and the easement would actually allow for something like that to be built.

[1:25:44] I mean, it may depends on what the public works director when they're looking at safety features on this road.

[1:25:51] If that's a possibility, the only issue here is that the road has very steep drop off and I've cut.

[1:25:58] So there's almost no place to put us turn out that unless it's somebody's driveway.

[1:26:05] So I'm not sure if that's one of the safety measures that are looking at, but that would be something that public works would be looking at.

[1:26:11] But again, we're not conditioning the project for say for that at this point.

[1:26:15] So, if I wanted to ask for a response about the safety during the construction, I wrote the letter,

[1:26:26] I wonder what's the difference between me submitting the letter before the meeting versus actually asking,

[1:26:32] like reading out the letter during the meeting, will I be able to get a response before the commission decides on this project?

[1:26:40] Amy, are the potential load improvements?

[1:26:44] Well, just the fact that we as a group of residents have all shared the same concern about

[1:26:51] road safety and just not having had a chance to actually talk about how the road will be

[1:27:00] safer during this period of construction.

[1:27:03] That is a very serious issue and I'm not sure if I need to ask for a motion to continue

[1:27:09] this project or how I would be able to be reassured that this road will be in a position where

[1:27:17] the service and use of it will not be disrupted.

[1:27:23] Well, again, like I stated that we are looking

[1:27:26] at doing the flag persons to ensure that there's no head on traffic occurring during these times of

[1:27:34] where, again, we're talking about five times on truck or such, when you're doing this type of

[1:27:41] condition of approval that if we find that it's not occurring during construction and we

[1:27:47] get a complaint from a neighbor, then we shut the job site down if it happens more than, you know,

[1:27:53] if it's becoming an unsexy situation, and then that's that's how we address it.

[1:27:59] Okay, so my last part, because I know I'm running out of time, is that for the, you know,

[1:28:03] issues that I raise in the letter? At this point, do I, can I expect to get a response from the

[1:28:09] or from the commissioners on the letter since I provided it before as a decision can be rendered on the project.

[1:28:20] I'm just not sure how the sequence works.

[1:28:24] If I can jump in really quick, this section is really intended for comments.

[1:28:28] The commission will factor in your comments and then take action accordingly.

[1:28:33] But ultimately, if you believe this is a concern, it will go beyond the project.

[1:28:37] You may want to address your comments directly to City Council.

[1:28:41] Okay.

[1:28:49] Anyone else, Cody?

[1:28:57] All right. Thank you, Cody. Since no one else for the public is there, I'll now ask the applicant to provide any response to the comments you heard and the questions.

[1:29:10] to address to you, and if you could just stick it to five minutes, please.

[1:29:34] You're muted, Fred.

[1:29:40] Now you're good.

[1:29:42] Oops, again.

[1:29:43] Now I'm good.

[1:29:45] Now you're good.

[1:29:45] Yes.

[1:29:46] Okay.

[1:29:49] Perhaps attempting to follow in the sequence that they were raised.

[1:29:54] Was asked about the roof and the photo will take panels on it.

[1:29:59] Um...

[1:30:00] And no, the roof is not entirely clad in photovoltaic. Candlesit is very largely standing seem dark bronze metal.

[1:30:09] Where it is a photovoltaic panel, they are black, non-reflective mute, you know, matte color.

[1:30:15] And they, of course, are facing the sun, so they're really kind of away from upslope neighbors.

[1:30:22] And I mean them to be integrated with the slope of the roof, so they look like a continuous thing.

[1:30:29] Um,

[1:30:32] rock size.

[1:30:34] We're talking in numbers that I have to tell you don't make sense.

[1:30:41] A, um, an ordinary sized concrete chalk, not a particularly large one, is carrying 18 tons of concrete, not 5,000 pounds.

[1:30:51] So, simply to deliver concrete in a nine-yard truck, which is, there are lots of tens and

[1:30:57] 12s on the roads, requires a much bigger limit than that.

[1:31:02] I also think, and I speak from long experience on public hearings where the planning commissions

[1:31:10] councils and so on believe they are doing the residents of favor by limiting the truck side

[1:31:17] and in fact, it's counterproductive at 20 yard end dump truck, which is an articulated truck.

[1:31:24] With flag men can readily back up these sunset and reach this project or the one this next door that I believe you're hearing next.

[1:31:33] And there will be many few of them. Then, you know, a host of smaller trucks isn't an improvement for the neighborhood.

[1:31:41] It's a step backwards.

[1:31:42] So I hope you don't include in those conditions, highly restricted, you know,

[1:31:49] but basically a 10-wheel truck, when you, when an end dump can get there,

[1:31:54] and will be vastly better, not just for ourselves as the builders,

[1:31:59] but for the neighbors as well, because it will diminish the number of trucks that are going to be coming.

[1:32:07] Maybe you have to remind me, I can't think of somebody else's race.

[1:32:11] Oh, I guess the other issue is of course the big issue is the road, which one of the commissioners

[1:32:17] at the last hearing was kind enough. The point out that's really not something we can do anything about.

[1:32:23] I mean, the mitigations that Steve is suggesting, the flagmen, the advanced notice.

[1:32:29] That's about as good as we can make it.

[1:32:32] We restricted to putting out a notice when they come to clean out a port of body.

[1:32:37] It's an impractical thing, but if we say, look, tomorrow there's going to be six concrete trucks

[1:32:44] or not tomorrow, but 48 hours from now, that's real notice and the flag man can let them through

[1:32:51] and the trucks, I'm sure, will wait at the bottom of the sunset, not on the sunset or it would completely

[1:32:57] block the road. We need to be good neighbors, and we'll be better neighbors with bigger trucks.

[1:33:07] Fred, I just wanted to state my understanding of what I heard, which wasn't that people were asking for a limit on the size of the truck.

[1:33:17] They were looking for a five time limit on what would require a notice to neighbors.

[1:33:24] Oh, under under five tons you don't notice them above five tons you with that, that's a perfectly reasonable one.

[1:33:32] I don't have any problem with that, it's just that there I have been in circumstances with small roads and various jurisdictions where the truck size itself was limited and I think that's a mistake.

[1:33:47] And Fred, I think there was one more question for you regarding some clear off windows.

[1:33:55] Oh yes, we're running the glare of the windows, facing east, the morning sun, which is

[1:34:00] basically coming up over sunset to look, but the real answer to that is the elevation

[1:34:05] of those windows, which is well down below sunsets, so a low morning sun rising to come

[1:34:12] over that road to reach those windows, I mean, the sun's going to be high enough so that

[1:34:17] the deep overhang in the front will shelter them before the sun is high enough to clear

[1:34:21] the health. That really isn't an issue for people looking down at the house from the road.

[1:34:28] And we're not planning reflective coatings or anything that later in the day would be a problem.

[1:34:36] This is ordinary float clear glass.

[1:34:42] Right. Thank you, Fred. Any of the planning commissioners have any questions?

[1:34:50] Go ahead, Brigida.

[1:34:53] You guys have one quick question as far as for the pool area and that area.

[1:34:58] Are you planning any kind of garb?

[1:35:00] And it's so between could you go with wired guardrails versus glass guardrails?

[1:35:07] Sure. There wasn't a question. I neglect it. When you say that it raised the question, someone

[1:35:14] asked about guardrails on the upper floor and suggested that the work weren't any shown. They

[1:35:20] are, of course, required. I don't have a choice about having a guardrail, so you can't fall off a

[1:35:28] The same thing is true out on the terraces where you might fall into the pool.

[1:35:33] And at the main level, we're very close to grade.

[1:35:37] So we're not going to be the only guard rail.

[1:35:43] It would really be pool protector.

[1:35:45] The neighbors' child can't walk down there and fall into pool kind of thing.

[1:35:48] And I'm planning on having a pool cover that accomplishes that.

[1:35:52] So, I mean, that's the answer there and on the upper floor, I don't have any hesitation on accepting steel. I often, I'm more frequently used steel than glass. Black steel, horizontal application.

[1:36:09] Okay. Great. And let's see if there's anything else.

[1:36:16] Also, just so quickly, around the pool area, between the pool and the structure of the house, and that's basically a light well.

[1:36:23] and hard skate paddy is so any landscaping

[1:36:27] that would come later on to help soften the house.

[1:36:30] That would have to go on the outside of the pool

[1:36:34] kind of kind of brief it wall.

[1:36:37] Because the other parts, well, you've got a patio,

[1:36:42] that kind of stays on the inside of the pool area.

[1:36:47] So you still could have some softening

[1:36:49] on the either side of the pool,

[1:36:52] That's still open and you're the elevated driveway where you have the upper or driveway.

[1:37:00] You've got areas there for planting certain materials later on at landscape screening time that can help soften the house as well.

[1:37:08] We have possibilities of sounds like.

[1:37:11] Thank you.

[1:37:12] Thank you.

[1:37:15] All right.

[1:37:16] Any more questions for anybody staff or applicant?

[1:37:23] Actually, if I could just add I apologize I forgot to add two conditions and I just want Fred to be aware of them

[1:37:31] There's standard conditions but I just wanted to outline that we're going to add a condition that requires at the home meat

[1:37:37] meet are the R337 guidelines in the the link code. Is there regarding fire resistant materials and such. And the other good. And the other condition or that we're going to add is the reach codes. All these new homes need to have electric space heating and water.

[1:37:56] I just want to add those two.

[1:37:59] Electric electric heating basically well, that's the idea. This is a home that will have radiant heating.

[1:38:06] So, it really means that you have an electric heat pump that you keep the electricity from the solar panel on the thing to a battery to the heat pump

[1:38:14] to warm your floor, so we'll be compliant with that.

[1:38:19] Thank you.

[1:38:24] Alright, so at this point, if there's no one else who has questions, I'm going to

[1:38:39] close public hearing

[1:38:40] And I'll get the discussion back to the planning commission.

[1:38:50] Okay, I'll go first.

[1:38:53] Okay.

[1:38:55] First of all, this is a landmark house.

[1:38:59] It's a pity it's not right next to 280, so we can point to it.

[1:39:04] Like we do the Flintstone House in Hillsborough.

[1:39:08] But this one is going to go down as the question of taste, I know, but I think it's beautiful.

[1:39:20] My own concern has to do with the road.

[1:39:24] I'm sure we can sort out the pathway.

[1:39:27] You have a tremendous advantage here in that you're in communication with the neighbor.

[1:39:34] It was also coming to us today and as long as you guys talk, we could do no more, but say have at it a good day for the attitude.

[1:39:47] The road, I want to distinguish two things which we've kind of mixed up.

[1:39:53] There's worrying about the road with during construction and that's a construction takes two years.

[1:40:00] And that is a fairly temporary phenomenon. It's a pain in the neck, for only two years.

[1:40:07] But then there's another, however many years after that, if virus is will let us, it'll go on for centuries.

[1:40:18] And we also have to do long range planning for that road.

[1:40:23] And there is no precedent or fixed procedure, I think, on how to do this.

[1:40:31] This road has been a public road and substandard since before the town was formed.

[1:40:41] If you look at the early maps as I have, it's been like this since before 1955.

[1:40:50] And it's been a public road in the town ever since, and it's still as a problem.

[1:41:00] We have trouble getting the decision makers, I eat the town council, to even see the letter

[1:41:10] we sent January 18 months ago, roughly.

[1:41:17] I think we need to repeat that.

[1:41:18] We got a letter today from a budding collaborative of neighbors, the neighbors as a group

[1:41:27] have written to us, and I don't know, I think they copied the town council that they

[1:41:32] Steve, you know,

[1:41:36] I believe there is, yes, they did, was sent to the city council, yes.

[1:41:41] Yeah. So, and I don't know what we can do to make sure the city council puts it on their agenda.

[1:41:51] I mean, that appears to be a major hurdle. Maybe we need to take it by the shoulders and

[1:41:56] But

[1:41:59] they need, we need their help certainly to solve the long range fixing of this road.

[1:42:07] We have a master pathway plan for pathways.

[1:42:11] We need a master long range plan for this road that includes the full length, not just these two neighbors.

[1:42:19] At least that's my feeling on it.

[1:42:25] And then there's the temporary one during construction.

[1:42:30] And we're going to put a condition on where we have to send a letter to the neighbors before

[1:42:36] there's any concerted long range, you know, a porting of concrete, which may take

[1:42:44] 3, 4, 5 days or maybe even longer.

[1:42:47] But we can't do it obviously for the occasional large truck that comes.

[1:42:52] But when there's a big delivery of materials or a big removal of the, uh, we send them notice out and we have flag men.

[1:43:05] Assuming that works, we still have another problem.

[1:43:10] Not of materials delivery, but a workmen and their private cars.

[1:43:16] This in my estimation is a much bigger problem.

[1:43:20] We keep having it in town where the road gets blocked because you've got 15-20

[1:43:28] workmen who all want to park their cars somewhere and they park them at the end of

[1:43:34] the drive and along the road. And we see in our conditions that will put a stop order

[1:43:42] notice out. I'm aware, at least I've been made aware, just this last couple of weeks.

[1:43:50] We had a situation where the town basically said, I give up. Call the sheriff.

[1:43:58] So, I

[1:43:59] didn't know how we put more teeth into it. But it's ignored or observed more in the breach.

[1:44:06] At least that's the feeling I get from roads like this narrow road with narrow entrances

[1:44:13] and workman's vehicles.

[1:44:16] And we may need a solution for the workman's vehicles.

[1:44:20] It's not the big trucks are a problem, but it's a 10, 12, 15, a sorted vehicles.

[1:44:31] what do you do to park somewhere so the guys can come to work? So those are the

[1:44:37] major points I want to make a bunch of range plan. Shorty now I also wanted to

[1:44:43] mention when the town crew goes there to look out. We see another 10 feet right

[1:44:52] away on the east side of the road. We should also be asking for a 10 foot right

[1:44:58] way on the west side of the road.

[1:45:00] To make the full 60. However, the problem is, on the east side of the road, the right of way may be floating in space. And on the west side of the road, we may have to dig it out of the hillside.

[1:45:15] So just because there is a right of way, doesn't mean to say you can possibly use it unless you do some creative engineering.

[1:45:23] And it may be cheaper to shift the road into the hillside rather than build a new hillside on the other side.

[1:45:33] I've been aware of the as if we've had to fix page the road up beyond the story hill.

[1:45:41] When the edge of the road was just falling down and it can be done and it lasts.

[1:45:50] So, I would recommend that the town look at that now, unfortunately, to respond to the right

[1:45:56] of the letter, we cannot condition the building of this house on the town doing something.

[1:46:04] I think that's what the right of the letter would have liked. But we can't say to the person

[1:46:11] wants to build this house, I'm sorry, until the town does something, you can't have your house.

[1:46:17] But I would put as much emphasis and urging on the spirit of that letter and what it talks about.

[1:46:30] Transcommunicated to the time console and have them weigh in on what should be done here.

[1:46:39] With that, I'll post on to the next figure.

[1:46:42] I ask you a question, it's a show.

[1:46:47] I drove out there a couple times myself to look at things,

[1:46:51] and I literally could not find a place to park on the road.

[1:46:57] And I think that that is the situation that the construction folks will run into.

[1:47:06] I don't know if we can require off-street parking on these sites while the construction

[1:47:16] is going on.

[1:47:17] Maybe Steve can address that, and certainly otherwise they will have to provide some sort

[1:47:25] of shovel to some common parking somewhere else, but I'm not sure we need to say don't

[1:47:33] park on the street since I think physically it's impossible.

[1:47:40] Yeah, exactly.

[1:47:43] Yeah.

[1:47:43] So it's a standard requirement for construction projects.

[1:47:46] They shouldn't be parking on the street or anywhere where they otherwise wouldn't be allowed to park.

[1:47:51] I think we can add a specific if appropriate traffic and parking management plan that has part of the building permit.

[1:47:58] This project provide more details given the challenges and limited access that he sends it for it.

[1:48:03] So I think that would be an easy requirement where we don't have to have all the answers tonight,

[1:48:09] but you provide that as a condition of approval, then we can ensure we have one as part of the building permit,

[1:48:14] and then that can be what we rely on for management of the site during construction.

[1:48:19] I think that would be a real positive thing for the neighbors.

[1:48:23] Clearly they're not getting everything they want, but if we can do what we can do, and if that's one of those things, I think that'd be a good thing.

[1:48:33] I would agree that the highly desirable, but then I have some teeth in it because I think we

[1:48:40] had something for another situation currently in town and basically what the Romans

[1:48:47] called Digital Sympuracus was raised.

[1:48:57] Just a really provide a quick interjection there.

[1:49:00] We do effectively enforce construction parking, our building inspector does routinely a conversation

[1:49:04] with contractors.

[1:49:05] So if there's a specific site, let us know, but that's really, that is part of our job and as it comes to our attention, or we become aware of it with an inspection, we will be talking to the contractor and if it persists, a stop work will be issued.

[1:49:18] That's, we continue to be active on that we may not catch everything because our eyes can't be everywhere, but when brought to our attention, we're, we're definitely working on that to ensure it doesn't persist.

[1:49:29] Okay, thank you.

[1:49:32] Okay, who wants to go next?

[1:49:40] Brigida?

[1:49:43] Okay, I'll go next.

[1:49:44] Then I just want to actually have a chance to share before and after that is because I thought this

[1:49:49] is pretty cool on this.

[1:50:00] Let's see if I can do this.

[1:50:08] Okay, there. I just want to have a chance to kind of show. Here is the previous design which had in a much bigger volume of elements going on. And this is the new design, which basically uses existing pad and does those up. And this is both from the Jesuits retreat center. And then the next one here is from the valley floor down below.

[1:50:33] this is looking up at the project and it made a huge difference to put the back on the platform

[1:50:38] of the old house and that's the old pool right there. The thing is for the colors, the neighbor

[1:50:44] to the south of them, the one on the left from the valley floor. This is the neighbor right here and

[1:50:50] has colors that just blend in with nature. Now granted, this is a very, very dark. So it's probably

[1:50:56] a little bit too dark for what the project requires, but I was hoping of something that just makes this

[1:51:02] Because this is another view here from the Jesuit retreat center and you see this house structure from three different levels of different pathways that go there.

[1:51:11] Here again is luckily is conforming to this area.

[1:51:16] If it gets to be very careful with the colors, so it does blend kind of nicely into there and doesn't become a statement of whiteness. That's the biggest thing.

[1:51:25] And they're, again, also, the lighting up in this area, if that can be shielded, I don't know how the

[1:51:30] wording can be put in the conditions of approval, as well as, you know, the, any railings

[1:51:36] be done with wire or steel, whatever, but not glass to keep the glare down. Also, just wondering,

[1:51:44] maybe this and also I'm sharing this, is there a way, this is more exact? Is there a way for the

[1:51:53] project to have some kind of staging for parking, because that is an issue, you know, there's

[1:51:58] a new thing that all these individual cars with people is there a way that this project

[1:52:03] to be staged or done. I know there can be excavating for a basement, but where you have some

[1:52:09] temporary parking, it's like saying temporary kitchens for people living the houses and they

[1:52:13] remodeling, you know, you figure it all out as far as bits and pieces.

[1:52:19] But it may not be economically

[1:52:20] like these are when your time also exhibit for a basement?

[1:52:25] That is something that I think is part of a parking

[1:52:28] construction management plan, where you clarify parking

[1:52:32] either needs to be contained on site or an approved

[1:52:34] off site location, that maybe they're able to secure a place

[1:52:38] further away in a shuttle workers or do drop offs

[1:52:41] or other ways, but yeah, it's a very reasonable

[1:52:43] and appropriate requirement for a site like this

[1:52:46] to ensure that you don't end up with parking

[1:52:48] and unsafe conditions or blocking the street.

[1:52:52] because there is no parking there. I mean, there was barely enough room to put my

[1:52:56] car just to go take a look at it. And yeah, that's what I was wondering, that's

[1:53:00] going to have to be something that I like to see as a condition that any and all

[1:53:04] parking for this project for both projects have to be maintained on these

[1:53:08] properties that that road can't handle anything. So, and I think that's it for me.

[1:53:13] Thank you.

[1:53:16] All right, and would you like to go next?

[1:53:24] I think everything that I have

[1:53:26] to say has already been said.

[1:53:30] I agree with Jesse that it is a statement house

[1:53:35] and the owner will end the designer and architect

[1:53:40] will be very proud of their accomplishment.

[1:53:43] I think it will be a very positive addition

[1:53:46] to the community and behind the design 100%.

[1:53:57] All right. Thanks, Ed.

[1:54:00] Jim.

[1:54:02] First, I'd like to comment that this being my first meeting. I'm going to rely heavily on my co-commissioners for many of the technical aspects that they know the details for and that I will learn quickly.

[1:54:17] But there is one area that I am particularly keen about, which is the Pathways issue, having

[1:54:25] come from the Pathways community.

[1:54:29] And I do agree that the design is wonderful, and I look forward to walking these paths

[1:54:37] and seeing this.

[1:54:39] But I do think that there is an issue climbing the hill between this property and the

[1:54:47] that providing an easement on the other property

[1:54:52] is somewhere between difficulty and possible

[1:54:55] at one spot near the home,

[1:54:58] and that there will be a,

[1:55:00] We need to use maybe as much as 20 feet alongside the home where the neighbor's home is, to allow for switchbacks getting up as hell.

[1:55:13] And I'd like to find a way that we could pass a motion that enables the situation that

[1:55:24] the architects, for it was talking about them being willing to do.

[1:55:29] I'm not sure how we can craft that, but if there's, I would love to hear some suggestions

[1:55:38] from your experience to see if there's a way that we could ensure that we could take that option

[1:55:46] and provide some relief to the next applicant. Let me see if I have any other things.

[1:55:53] It sounded like there was some unanimity here on maybe a light reflectivity of 40% shielded

[1:56:01] down lights. Define a large truck is five tons or more for the purpose of providing notice.

[1:56:12] And a parking plan to prevent, to further ease the congestion there.

[1:56:19] And then the one that I'm talking about here, which is up to a 20-foot pathway easement right along

[1:56:26] that neighbors home to alleviate a problem condition there.

[1:56:33] I think that's it.

[1:56:34] I really do also want to comment that the EDPC has done a wonderful job

[1:56:40] in marshalling this efforts through a few iterations

[1:56:44] and really being faithful to the responsibility

[1:56:49] of protecting our semi-world character.

[1:56:52] I think that they've done a great job too.

[1:56:54] Thank you.

[1:56:56] All right, okay, if no one else has any comments, let me provide some of my views, I also

[1:57:08] agree with what has been said by the commissioners, the house at least has been redesigned

[1:57:15] very cutfully based on the comments that the planning commissioner provided in their previous,

[1:57:27] review and largely to me, the main issue, the main issue, what I call the construction

[1:57:36] operations plan, which includes everything to do with the parking situation, to the road,

[1:57:43] the flagging and so on and so forth. So that's definitely something we may want to consider

[1:57:52] adding more to just work, condition number 23, suggest about flagging of cars on the trucks.

[1:58:06] Lighting in some of these tends to be a challenge and a concern, however, I personally

[1:58:17] We prefer to see more ceiling and e-bliding compared to wall councils because wall

[1:58:28] councils tend to be much brighter compared to ceiling lights and in the ceiling lights

[1:58:38] Since here you have these deep softfits, I'm not sure as to how critical it is, but I'll go with whatever other fellow commissioners feel as to what we may want to write up as a condition.

[1:58:59] The LRV of 40, I guess the applicant was comfortable with, so maybe we can add that.

[1:59:08] See no issues there.

[1:59:11] Especially the roof ease, we were told what going to be made of cedar wood.

[1:59:19] So wood tends to be of a darker color than, let's say, Stockholm,

[1:59:25] which should help in softening the home and at least from the bottom side.

[1:59:40] Other than that,

[1:59:41] I would also agree with what Yitzi mentioned earlier that we should remind the council again

[1:59:50] of the road safety concerns here. And this is not for the short term. I'm also concerned for the

[1:59:59] Oh, go!

[2:00:00] In fact, I'm wondering how even FedEx and UPS trucks go there every day to deliver, you know,

[2:00:12] parcels, which you know, in a pandemic probably is even more so than in normal times,

[2:00:18] let alone trucks during construction time. So it is, I think other than us, you know, bringing

[2:00:29] up to and reminding the council I would also suggest to the letter writers that they should remind

[2:00:38] city council and in fact go to the next city council meeting and during the public comments

[2:00:45] are kind, raise this in person and get it on record. I would also recommend to the

[2:00:58] literators as we the commission and the staff have already discussed with county fire about

[2:01:07] some of the inconsistencies they have that maybe you also can address the county fire department

[2:01:15] and suggest or ask them why the different rules for private versus public roads.

[2:01:24] So putting pressure from all sides would be the best way to get a long term resolution for something clearly not safe and not appropriate.

[2:01:39] But at the same time, I don't believe we can hold up this project for those other safety concerns regarding the public roads we have.

[2:01:53] So that's my comments and are we needing any more discussions or anybody ready to make a motion?

[2:02:08] Could I ask my fellow commissioners about this idea on the pathway issue?

[2:02:15] We heard that the thread mentioned that they would be willing to work on this 20-foot section adjacent to the home.

[2:02:27] The issue that I think we will face is that the neighbor will be asked to provide a 10-foot section,

[2:02:39] a ten-foot easement to couple with the ten-foot easement that this property is providing

[2:02:47] and that the neighbor's portion is really not buildable. And if we say, let's just go ahead

[2:02:57] and ask for it anyway, that that would prevent the neighbor from being able to put a fence or

[2:03:05] put screening in that section, which as we'll see upcoming, will be important because it's

[2:03:15] only 30 feet from the bedroom. I'm wondering if there's any language any of you have encountered

[2:03:23] in the past, like a conditional sort of motion, where we can approve this or offer a motion

[2:03:36] that has this side of the property line,

[2:03:43] provide up to, say, 20 feet in this area.

[2:03:48] So that on the other property, we don't need to ask for something that they won't be able to deliver.

[2:03:59] I apologize greatly for how complicated this is, but it's going to take some crafting if we want to get it right. Any ideas?

[2:04:11] So, you see, you want to suggest any ideas?

[2:04:17] Well, I'm just thinking aloud here.

[2:04:21] But where is we typically talk about in pathway easement,

[2:04:26] ten foot wide along the border of a property?

[2:04:33] I think what Jim is talking about is the idea of

[2:04:40] It will be 20 foot, then reduced to 10 foot further down, and I don't want to hold up this house until we get that wording straight, but maybe we can put the idea into the motion that the

[2:05:01] Witt of the easement, be established by mutual consent between the two arm honours,

[2:05:13] will be dealing

[2:05:14] with the second arm honours in a moment. And then maybe in the process of that, I'm not sure

[2:05:24] How are you couple these together, but I'm sure we, with goodwill, we can.

[2:05:32] The other suggestion I was thinking was, along the lines of what you were suggesting,

[2:05:40] but have maybe staff be the broker between the two applicants in coming up with a appropriate

[2:05:51] solution.

[2:05:54] I think that would be a wonderful idea.

[2:05:56] I think that's the most pregnant, as the best jobs are working.

[2:06:00] I'd be happy to help it anyway, I can't have a walk to twice now.

[2:06:05] I think the present set of conditions on the two properties is not quite a complete workable plan yet.

[2:06:16] Steve, do you have any comments regarding what we just discussed?

[2:06:23] I mean, I understand exactly what you're talking about, because it is very steep on

[2:06:28] the streetster, the his property, where his home is. The one thing I can add is that the

[2:06:35] large open space easement, conservation easement to help stay season that's going to be recorded

[2:06:40] on the 1, 3, 2, and 0 property, does not prevent the use of portions of it for, you know,

[2:06:51] wording of it says that you can't put pathways on the off-road natural pathways in those.

[2:06:57] So I think that's what Fred was kind of referring to when he said he doesn't mind figuring it out,

[2:07:02] but he doesn't want it to find a mount that might be one way to look at it,

[2:07:07] that there's some flexibility there putting the pathway in and maybe the pathways committee

[2:07:12] could look at this again along with after the fact with the two owners and maybe work out

[2:07:18] I don't know. Would that delay either of the approvals? I wouldn't want to do that.

[2:07:30] It doesn't matter. I did, by the way, look into the open space easement and the use of the open space

[2:07:37] easement. Unfortunately, the 350 line doesn't quite get you up to where this problem exists.

[2:07:51] So, we should try to craft some language as to how do you to add a conditional approval of this project with this work with the pathways to be worked out between the two property owners and staff.

[2:08:13] Obviously, pathway committee would be also consulted by a staff.

[2:08:19] I hate to actually encumber the Pathways Committee, maybe we can say that as long as we can establish a 20 foot conduit through there, we won't want you to involve the Pathways Committee that would just perhaps take more time.

[2:08:39] Perhaps we could say that the motion is to include the staff working with both residents

[2:08:53] to establish a 20-foot pathway conduit in a means of a group to both parties and maybe

[2:09:07] We provide a backstop that says otherwise we're going to do 10 foot from each.

[2:09:17] Sounds reasonable to me.

[2:09:20] That backstop is what makes it with what makes it watertight.

[2:09:24] That's what I was afraid of.

[2:09:25] This will the seals it and then gives an incentive to do it more optimally.

[2:09:33] Are we in, do we feel the light reflectivity value of 40% with something we all thought was important?

[2:09:46] Frankly, I think the architect is convinced.

[2:09:51] We've never done beyond this far as I remember just saying, our rules are 50%.

[2:09:58] And I think I hear...

[2:10:00] The architect saying that they really want to do a good job of this and make it planned in.

[2:10:07] So I think he would be sort of presumptuous.

[2:10:12] It's redundant, I think.

[2:10:14] Okay, and the field in down.

[2:10:17] Oh, it's something.

[2:10:19] Yeah, can I be redundant then?

[2:10:21] Because, you know, I see a lot of great intent out here,

[2:10:25] a couple of years of falling around on least 40 properties for the last two years, and I would

[2:10:31] like to really kind of still take Steve up on his 40 reflexively. The problem with reflexivity

[2:10:38] is not a color hue or saturation. I know we all want the intent of natural colors. The reflexively

[2:10:46] just gets a little further away from being white, because there's a lot of white out there that's

[2:10:52] skills that are risky, reflectivity and I know we don't want white, I mean. So I would feel

[2:10:59] more comfortably keeping the 40 that Steve had mentioned, hoping that it blends in with

[2:11:05] you know, Fred Herings elements and all that. I think it will. I don't think he had a problem

[2:11:10] with that. So if I kick at it, as well as the shielded aspect for the racist lighting,

[2:11:18] just the shielding added on to any recess lighting,

[2:11:22] that word would be fabulous,

[2:11:25] as well as steel guardrails,

[2:11:27] for anything on the second level,

[2:11:29] would be great as well.

[2:11:37] Well, I'll try a motion.

[2:11:40] Yes, Jim's going ahead.

[2:11:43] We can't on the blind.

[2:11:44] I can see the surprise in your eyes.

[2:11:49] I move that we approve this application subject to the conditions of approval as published and as amended by Steve's comments earlier today with additional qualifications that the light reflectivity value be 40% for

[2:12:17] less, that shielded down wipes should be used on the top floor, I hope that's clear enough,

[2:12:30] that notice be given to neighbors about traffic on the road for trucks greater than five

[2:12:43] tons, as described in the earlier conditions of approval, in essence, just defining that the word

[2:12:56] large means five tons, that the project provide a parking plan, suitable and acceptable to staff,

[2:13:10] And that the staff engages with both neighbors to establish a 20-foot conduit for a pathway

[2:13:26] alongside the neighbor's home for the purpose of a pathway easement.

[2:13:36] And that if no agreement can be made, that we will revert to the present plan, which is a ten foot easement for this property and the ten foot easement for the other property.

[2:13:55] That's, did I miss anything we discussed?

[2:14:00] Can we add on there also guardrails of steel or wired for the second level?

[2:14:08] I think we heard the architects say that that's what it was intending.

[2:14:17] So I don't think they would mind that.

[2:14:23] How do I do?

[2:14:25] Right, Karen is the smoke coming off a pen.

[2:14:31] Oh, she's got the court and it's all good.

[2:14:35] Okay.

[2:14:37] We don't we don't let her meet a bad.

[2:14:41] Okay.

[2:14:41] I mean, I want me to summarize that I can, but we do have it on records.

[2:14:44] I think the motion with the added condition works pretty well.

[2:14:49] Yeah.

[2:14:49] I think I captured it anyway.

[2:14:52] We need a second.

[2:14:54] I'll second.

[2:14:54] All

[2:14:58] right, so are we ready?

[2:15:00] Ready to then call,

[2:15:05] vote, go ahead, Karen.

[2:15:08] Okay. All right. Commissioners, men. Yes.

[2:15:15] Commissioner Indico. Yes. Commissioner Washira. Yes.

[2:15:35] Commissioner

[2:15:35] is approved, pending a 22-day appeal here.

[2:15:43] Moving on, item number 5.2, 1, 3, 2, 5, 4,

[2:15:51] East sunset drive, lands of suture, additional development permit for a new 3, 9, 8, 5,

[2:16:01] square for two-story residents with a 1,873 square foot basement, including a 767 square foot

[2:16:11] accessory dwelling unit in the basement on a 0.96 square foot lot of variance for a front

[2:16:20] yard set back of 32 feet where 40 feet is required and an exception to towns creating voices.

[2:16:28] Steve, can we have the staff report, please?

[2:16:35] Yes.

[2:16:36] It's Krista.

[2:16:37] Oh, oh, Krista.

[2:16:40] Yes.

[2:16:41] Okay.

[2:16:43] I'll start the presentation.

[2:16:52] So yes.

[2:16:54] The subject property is a 0.96 or 0.96 acres in size located on the edge of town as Steve

[2:17:05] stated before, the average slope of the property is 46.4% and has a lot

[2:17:13] unit factor of 0.212, surrounding properties also are constructed on

[2:17:21] steep lots.

[2:17:25] Okay. And then here are some photos. This is in the top left image is

[2:17:33] the view of the shared driveway, so yes, and then this is another view of the driveway.

[2:17:43] It slopes down to the neighboring property, and so access is gained.

[2:17:49] There's a driveway easement on the property, and this is the view of the existing home and parking area.

[2:17:58] And then below here in the bottom right image is the slope in front of the property and above is east sunset drive.

[2:18:09] The great change is approximately 40 feet.

[2:18:15] And then here's here's a view of the eastern portion of the site.

[2:18:22] So, yeah, the site slopes down as it east, east facing slope slopes down eastward, and then here's the existing pool, yeah, another view east, as you can see, there's a substantial amount of vegetation on the site, and then here's a view of the east space of the house, and then,

[2:18:53] And then there's a small pathway in front of the residents that leads you to the side yard here, which is on the southern side of the property.

[2:19:09] As you can see, there's some existing retaining walls here and this is the southern property line.

[2:19:17] So that is where the pathway season is proposed and here's a view of the valley and so the property is well screened

[2:19:33] however further properties away may be able to see the new see the proposed residents. So that can be addressed through landscape screen and then just some more images

[2:19:48] of the southern property line. I wanted to capture this, try to capture this slope, as you can see

[2:19:55] it's fairly steep, and there's on this on...

[2:20:00] The subject properties side, there's existing retainables and some structures and existing trees.

[2:20:10] So, proposed, here's a proposed project summary. So, the, yes, the gross lot areas one acre, however, because of the driveway easement, the net lot areas 0.963 acres.

[2:20:26] And as I mentioned, it's on a very steep slope.

[2:20:31] The applicant will be reducing development area by 4,295 square feet.

[2:20:39] Patios and existing patios and walkways will be reduced 1,624 square feet.

[2:20:46] And 1,690 square feet is because of development area.

[2:20:52] I'll show that later.

[2:20:55] The applicant is changing out the existing driveway

[2:21:00] Avers with grass Creek.

[2:21:04] And also, yeah, this note here,

[2:21:08] there was a variance in development area that was approved in 1988,

[2:21:14] which allows for a maximum development area of 8,266

[2:21:20] square feet and sets the maximum glory at 4,000 square feet and then the applicant is also

[2:21:29] proposing a 1,873 square foot basement with a 767 square foot ADU with inside that basement

[2:21:43] and

[2:21:43] then here's a rendering of the proposed residence that the architect provided as you can see as

[2:21:52] incorporates a modern architectural style,

[2:21:55] Florida ceiling windows, large roof overhangs.

[2:22:00] So, actually the Florida ceiling windows will be coated,

[2:22:06] or we'll have an anti-glare glass coating

[2:22:10] to prevent glare and also the roof overhangs help with that.

[2:22:17] And the roof will be PVC membrane or the design

[2:22:24] utilizes PVC membrane roof.

[2:22:28] And there's two decks.

[2:22:30] There's a second floor deck, first floor deck,

[2:22:33] with cable handrails and guardrails.

[2:22:38] And there's also screens along the residence.

[2:22:42] You can see here.

[2:22:48] Here's the topographic survey, it's a split into two, so yeah, here's the existing driveway easement.

[2:22:59] The proposal includes a bad ending the driveway easement, and are just revising it to the driveway is actually not built with exactly within that easement.

[2:23:13] it's over here. So the applicant is revising that driveway easement to better align with the existing

[2:23:20] shared driveway. And then here's the existing house. The proposed house will be

[2:23:29] or will be located essentially in the same location. It'll be shifted more east and slightly

[2:23:38] elongated, but is relatively the same size as the existing residents. Here's the existing pool,

[2:23:46] which will be replaced with an infinity pool and also in the same location.

[2:23:53] And the applicant or the homeowners will be utilizing 75% of the existing building pad

[2:24:01] and just to avoid extensive grading.

[2:24:08] And then here are the proposed easement locations.

[2:24:13] The homeowner, well, homeowner,

[2:24:16] maybe dedicating or it's included in the conditions

[2:24:20] of approval to dedicate a 10 foot right of way easement.

[2:24:26] The homeowner will also be granting

[2:24:29] a open space easement below the existing 300 and two foot contour and that's shown in green here.

[2:24:40] And then it also included in the conditions of approval is the granting of a tent foot wide pathway easement as discussed before.

[2:24:56] And then here's the proposed site plan.

[2:25:00] So, the applicant is also applying for a front yard setback experience. As you can, it's slightly hard to see, but the existing second floor, front setback here is 26 feet, three inches and the existing, yeah, first floor is also legal, non-conforming at 31 feet, eight inches.

[2:25:27] So, the proposed residents will have a more conforming set front set back of 31 feet,

[2:25:35] nine inches. So, the variance is mainly due to the size and steepness of the lot and

[2:25:43] to utilize the existing building pad and avoid the extensive amount of grading. And then,

[2:25:55] Here is the fire department required a fire and gin turn around, so that's what you see here.

[2:26:06] This entire area, parking area, also will be replaced with grass creep, and then permeable paving up here.

[2:26:16] And then the applicant also obtained a variance from the fire department just because that slope exceeds 15%, the alignment will remain the same, but yeah, the width of the driveway will increase and as you can see, there's five parking spaces and additional one for the ADU.

[2:26:39] And then, so yes, and also the highest, highest point on the property is right here in this corner, and then slope down to the, to the south, south western corner, and then here's the basement floor plan.

[2:27:03] and shown in blue is the 767 square foot ADU and then next is here's the proposed first

[2:27:16] fourth plan. There's the attached to car garage and most of the bedrooms are on this floor.

[2:27:25] The area shown in pink is where the, where the applicant is also flying for a grading policy

[2:27:32] exception just for this portion of the residents, which encompasses the first floor deck and also

[2:27:41] portion of the master bedroom. And that's approximately 407 square feet.

[2:27:50] This is the

[2:27:52] second floor plan.

[2:27:55] That's where the kitchen and dining and living room is.

[2:28:03] And then here are some proposed sections.

[2:28:08] And see, yeah, there's the ADU right there.

[2:28:12] And then also on this section shows.

[2:28:15] So the grading policy exception is to allow an additional five feet of fill for the master bedroom and first floor deck, but also in this area, it exceeds the town's maximum allowable differential of four and a half feet.

[2:28:41] That's four and a half feet between the lowest finished floor and structure of the structure and existing grade.

[2:28:52] And then here is another here are two other sections.

[2:28:58] And then these are the east and north elevations.

[2:29:03] You can see that's the infinity pool and over here where the garage.

[2:29:08] And it will slow down.

[2:29:12] As you can see, the design,

[2:29:15] the proposed residence is designed to

[2:29:17] step with the slope and to reduce

[2:29:21] the two-story massing of the building.

[2:29:29] And then this is the first floor

[2:29:31] outdoor lighting plan.

[2:29:34] There is six recessed

[2:29:37] four inch down lights proposed on

[2:29:39] the first four, and then also I believe that a downlight

[2:29:44] sconce is proposed in this area, to the right,

[2:29:49] are the part of specification sheets, for both pictures,

[2:29:55] will be between 2700 to...

[2:30:00] 3,000 kelvans. As for the loomans, it wasn't specified. There's a few options, but so that's there. And then, yes, the same light

[2:30:28] orange down lights here in orange.

[2:30:34] Okay, so yes, yeah, to just highlight that area again, that this is

[2:30:39] where the the variance, the applicant is proposing the front yard, so back, reduced front yard

[2:30:47] setback, so yes. So yeah, the setback variance, as I said, is mainly due to the steepness and

[2:30:55] of the law, given that surrounding properties have similar constraints, the requested variants

[2:31:01] that would not represent a special privilege. The proposed development does not exceed

[2:31:07] maximum floor area or development area. There is adequate access to private road and screening

[2:31:14] can be provided for the structure and parking. And granting of this variance will not create a

[2:31:20] activity, which is not authorized by the zoning ordinance, it's mainly just keeping the

[2:31:26] or just maintaining that existing legal non-conforming setback and to avoid excessive grading

[2:31:35] to the site.

[2:31:39] And then, as for the grading policy exception, the applicant is requesting up to eight

[2:31:46] feet of fill for the master bedroom and deck on the first floor and up to six feet of cut

[2:31:53] at the corner of the pool patio that's, there's actually a retaining wall, and Fiddity pool is here,

[2:32:00] and there's planetary retaining walls that's surrounded, and at this corner actually I didn't

[2:32:06] highlight it, but that's where the six feet of cut is located, and then also that nine foot

[2:32:13] differential, I showed at on the elevation at contour elevation 318.

[2:32:22] And then yeah, so for the grading policy it's for all the average slope with a lot is 46% is so.

[2:32:32] exceptions are needed to prevent

[2:32:35] on-site grading, as I mentioned,

[2:32:38] the residents has been designed to step down

[2:32:40] with this hill and provides our provides hidden mass

[2:32:44] with them qualifying basement.

[2:32:47] And it's reusing the existing building pad

[2:32:50] to, again, exhibit the extent of on-site grading,

[2:32:54] maintain a low building profile

[2:32:55] and limit removal of existing vegetation.

[2:32:58] know trees are proposed to be removed or this project and then for the town community review

[2:33:08] the environmental design and production committee recommended a design with no more than two

[2:33:14] roofs in one area of the residents reduction of the building height to 27 feet it was 28 feet

[2:33:20] a pretty sleep and reduction of the depths of the light wells and the number of recessed

[2:33:28] deck lights and the applicant has addressed all the environmental design production communities

[2:33:35] comments in the final revised plan set and the open space committee requested that the property

[2:33:43] owner grant in open space easing into the town over that portion I showed you before in green

[2:33:50] below the 302 foot elevation contour. And yeah, that in that area, the slopes exceed 30%.

[2:33:59] As for the pathways committee, they requested that the property owner grant a 10 foot wide

[2:34:05] pathway easement along the south side property line to support our to connect east sunset drive

[2:34:12] with Diane Drive, and they also requested a 10-foot pathway easement along East Sunset Drive,

[2:34:21] but that will be accommodated with the right of way easement dedication.

[2:34:28] And then yes, so I wanted to, I know we've discussed the pathway easement dedication already,

[2:34:35] but just to provide some more photos and to get a better idea of how steep that slope is.

[2:34:44] So, yeah, here's the master path plan, exhibit, showing here's the subject property, and that's where the pathway would be located.

[2:34:58] And so this...

[2:35:00] Yeah, this yellow string is the property line. And yeah, the, so there's a on both sides, there's a pretty dramatic difference over here is the 13, 2, 10, uh, you sunset property. It's a, you know, relatively clear and open on this side. It's, um, there's existing retaining walls and it'd be very challenging and difficult to build a pathway there. So.

[2:35:29] Yes, so yeah, as a suggestion or alternative to, since the slope gets very steep in this area,

[2:35:42] there's a relatively flat area here.

[2:35:45] An alternative might be to ask for an easement here and find some way to, you know,

[2:35:57] work with the neighbors, but as I think we've already discussed that. So I'll continue. And

[2:36:03] yes. So staff was contacted by one neighbor who just mainly express concerns about the road

[2:36:12] conditions and traffic and safety issues as we discussed previously.

[2:36:19] And to conclude, the proposed

[2:36:22] Residents utilizes the existing building pad to minimize the disturbance to the site.

[2:36:29] It the new residents conforms more to current town standards and seeks slopes and other site constraints

[2:36:38] provide a reasonable basis to approve the setback variance and exception to the town's grading policy.

[2:36:44] And open space will be recorded to retain the natural character of the site and staff supports approval of the project subject to the attached findings and conditions of approval.

[2:37:01] Questions for.

[2:37:02] Harg?

[2:37:08] Okay Brigida, go ahead. I have some questions. It has to do with the grading policy

[2:37:14] exception as far as the five foot bill and for the master edema law confused because

[2:37:23] does the eight foot fill for the master bedroom? Does it help to eliminate the appearance of a

[2:37:37] maybe you should be a dinosaur.

[2:37:40] The biggest thing for me is I want to make sure that you maintain

[2:37:43] a two-story look and no more than that. And if we prove that the trucks dirt, whatever, can help

[2:37:53] alleviate. Yeah, I would very, I would go back to that. Or was it just this slide? Well let's

[2:38:01] go back to the picture of the actual illustration, you know, okay, the exhibit. Yeah, I

[2:38:09] there, oops, no, okay, okay, that one there. So if I'm looking at that top picture of

[2:38:17] top illustration, if you kind of just show me the cursor where the exception of the

[2:38:25] grading is occurring on this illustration that might help make it easier for me to figure

[2:38:29] yourself. So it's in conferences first for the entire first board deck here, and then I think

[2:38:38] this is where the nine-foot different show is. And then just a portion of the, this is the master bedroom.

[2:38:48] So just a portion of that also. So it's in this, this is the area of the grading policy exception.

[2:38:56] And that slander thing, whatever, is that no light bulb there is, but that's not daylighting any base, many there, right?

[2:39:05] Oh no.

[2:39:07] It's not.

[2:39:07] There's a basement is totally enclosed.

[2:39:11] Okay.

[2:39:11] Yes, it is.

[2:39:12] I think.

[2:39:13] Oh, yeah.

[2:39:14] Oh, yeah.

[2:39:18] That's the first one.

[2:39:24] Okay.

[2:39:24] I think.

[2:39:25] And then, oh, one last question for you too.

[2:39:27] The fire department, I know that they gave a variance for the slope.

[2:39:35] What about the grass creek?

[2:39:37] What is there policy on the grass creek?

[2:39:40] Is it enough to support the weight of their vehicles?

[2:39:43] What's going to be done from an engineering standpoint on that?

[2:39:46] Yes.

[2:39:47] Well, yes.

[2:39:47] So the fire department has actually not approved the project yet.

[2:39:52] the applicant has they asked for manufacturer or installation details. So the

[2:40:00] To show that the grass creek can support 75,000 pounds, I guess, for the fire engine. So the applicant has included those details in this revised plan set and we've routed it to the fire department, but we haven't received response yet.

[2:40:22] And what happens if they don't approve it?

[2:40:26] Oh, man.

[2:40:28] Yeah.

[2:40:29] I guess the applicant will just have to maybe change the material or work with the fire department on that.

[2:40:37] Or cut MDA elsewhere.

[2:40:40] Yeah.

[2:40:41] And maybe, yeah.

[2:40:42] Reduce it because, yeah, they're pretty.

[2:40:45] I think they only have about a hundred.

[2:40:48] Yeah.

[2:40:49] only there at 827 and only have about like a a little over 200 square feet left.

[2:40:57] So. I think we can have the applicant address these questions also.

[2:41:02] Okay, great. Well, yeah, I figured I'd start the ground running hit the ground running here with us.

[2:41:07] Great. Thank you.

[2:41:11] Anyone else?

[2:41:13] I have questions.

[2:41:19] All right. Doesn't seem like it. So then let's go over to the public comments.

[2:41:24] Also, to those applicants presentation, please keep it for 15 minutes and Cody, let's get that prepared.

[2:41:51] I'm Sean. I'm the applicant. Let me if I can share a screen so I can present.

[2:42:01] Let's see. Are you folks able to see this fine?

[2:42:05] Yeah. Very good. So thanks everyone. Hi. So this is what our family looks like right now.

[2:42:16] So we moved to Los Altoes in 2003 but at the south end near the 85 and 280 and then we moved to

[2:42:24] this property about 11 years ago. This is what the house looked like 11 years ago and as you saw from

[2:42:29] it still does. We've been talking to lots of our neighbors about the project.

[2:42:38] Like these are all the people we contacted. The green color coding is all the ones we got

[2:42:43] comments from and the oranges, the ones we've not yet been able to reach, but I'm really hoping

[2:42:50] to talk with Fred about his project that I'm excited about. And I'm happy to about working with him

[2:42:58] on figuring out a way to make that pathway work.

[2:43:01] These are a bunch of the comments that we got from our neighbors.

[2:43:04] I'm not going to read them all, but basically everyone's really supportive.

[2:43:08] The only real concern is the street, which is a fine concern.

[2:43:11] And because we've lived through construction and I, you know, on this street,

[2:43:16] and I want that to work for everyone.

[2:43:19] We're also planning for our grandparents.

[2:43:23] That's what the 80's about. They're not going to move in, but, you know,

[2:43:26] right away, but they do visit a lot and maybe something, well, one concern that I'm going to

[2:43:32] go really fast through now because I think it's been discussed really well is that pathway

[2:43:37] easement and Jim and Chris did a really good job of covering the issue. I've got some pictures

[2:43:45] that really show it. This is the when it was discussed before about being between these

[2:43:50] properties and on the border of the property line of our neighbor, but not on ours.

[2:43:56] The ask of course is the 10 feet. Main issue is the feasibility and the impact, right?

[2:44:04] This is a picture of that border and you can see on our neighbor, the 210, it's a fairly continuous slope

[2:44:10] but on ours. There's these retaining walls and if you look at the property line, you can kind of

[2:44:20] the house. You can see that it's a dramatic difference. It's relatively flat side to side on the

[2:44:27] two-ten, but on ours it has about a 40-degree drop-off. This is what it looks like from the house.

[2:44:34] This would be right next in Newhouse to our kids' bedrooms.

[2:44:39] Because of this cut-off,

[2:44:41] even if the pathway can't be built, fencing is pretty much impossible. We can't build it there

[2:44:46] because we'd have to build a 10 feet in, right?

[2:44:49] And that would basically result in a 25 foot fence,

[2:44:53] which obviously isn't possible.

[2:44:55] Nobody's going to do that.

[2:44:58] There was discussion previously.

[2:45:00] Lastly, I'm going to skip this.

[2:45:04] That's the main summary. I'm really happy with the idea of a compromise

[2:45:07] and planning everything together. It was discussed earlier. I'm going to hand it over to our architects.

[2:45:15] That would be Monica, if anybody wants to promote her.

[2:45:41] Good evening, commissioners. Thank you so much for letting us participate in today's discussion and we know that it's been a long night for you all.

[2:45:51] So I'm going to just jump right into it and I'll try and address the questions that came up and then if you all have any other questions that you want us to speak about, we will go through it.

[2:46:03] So I'm going to just keep cruising through this.

[2:46:06] As you've heard, this has been a very challenging site with a lot of restrictions and a lot of easement drive the easement to the neighbors easement at the street that has been asked for the existing house not complying with the

[2:46:20] towns, regulations, high restrictions, there are retaining walls that are falling apart.

[2:46:28] So we did, as most of you know, we work really hard with our clients, they've been actually

[2:46:33] pretty amazing to have as clients.

[2:46:36] They were happy to reach out to their neighbors and they'd a very friendly kind of a reach out

[2:46:42] exercise and all the neighbors were very accommodating and receptive.

[2:46:47] So that was a very good process that we went through.

[2:46:52] What I do want to talk about is that we know that the commissioners have to make the findings in order to prove this.

[2:47:01] And I'm going to just quickly go through it and later on if you have questions we can come back to these slides.

[2:47:06] But I did put up here.

[2:47:08] We did a little bit of an investigation about where each property is on this street.

[2:47:13] And then, you know, what everybody's setbacks are and easements and the four that I have pointed out here, they are the ones which are kind of closer to the setback lines on this property.

[2:47:28] So it's not as if it's just our property, which is there is just as you know in town of Los Alzos hills, there are a lot of properties, which have these windy roads and steep lots and the old homes have been in the setbacks.

[2:47:41] And we try our level best to make sure that we can accommodate the grading pad as best as we can.

[2:47:50] This is an exhibit from the old permit that was done in 1988. I believe if I didn't get the time right

[2:47:58] wrong. But this is what the existing house was approved in that 30 foot front setback.

[2:48:06] What we are doing in Krista has been awesome in guiding us through it initially.

[2:48:11] We had actually had meetings with Steve about this project before we had actually submitted formally.

[2:48:17] We did work really hard to try and not go into our grading exception.

[2:48:24] But there was very, very little choice we had.

[2:48:28] We are kind of stuck towards the front of the property.

[2:48:30] We also had to provide the fire truck turn around, which when you saw on Mark Hilton's drawing that pushed the house entry where it is the garage.

[2:48:40] So as you can see, we've tried to improve as much as we could.

[2:48:45] The setback, it was 26 feet, three inches.

[2:48:50] We are going for 31 feet, nine inches.

[2:48:54] As best as we could without really compromising too much of this site.

[2:49:00] This is kind of looking at, we put the story pulls up and we wanted to just exhibit that, you know, as commissioners, you guys have to find all the findings.

[2:49:11] And we made sure that we looked at each and every finding.

[2:49:16] And it looks like our project supports it.

[2:49:18] We don't compromise anybody's views.

[2:49:21] we are not asking for something which is something that Sean and Heather are going to just enjoy.

[2:49:27] This is a privilege that other parts of the town, people are able to enjoy these setbacks just

[2:49:35] because of the restrictions on the site. We did select this kind of location for our project,

[2:49:42] just because we are going to be demoing the existing house. As most of you will walk the site

[2:49:48] seen that the existing retaining halls are falling apart, safety concern is huge, so we're

[2:49:54] trying to maintain the pad where it is, and trying to basically not.

[2:50:00] We have compromised that hillside further. We have actually met all our other requirements for the height and setbacks. This is our kind of the worksheet that we use in our office to make sure that we are matching the towns regulations as best as we can.

[2:50:19] building it very low profile, stepping up with the hillside as best as we can, giving large overhangs

[2:50:26] to break that mass feel on the property, providing vegetation screening, and overall we always try

[2:50:35] to make sure that we are not compromising our neighbors privacy, because it's not just for our

[2:50:40] clients, which is privacy is important, but we also are looking at the neighbors.

[2:50:44] So, I'm kind of jumping right into the grading exception.

[2:50:51] I want to just clarify one thing.

[2:50:53] If you look at on the right side right here,

[2:50:57] we're actually don't want to fill this area with dirt.

[2:51:03] That's not what we're proposing.

[2:51:05] We are gently stepping down with the hillside.

[2:51:08] There's a very small portion of our project,

[2:51:11] which is in the grading exception.

[2:51:14] If you focus here with these flanters,

[2:51:17] we are at two feet, 11 inches,

[2:51:19] our majority of our grading exception is five feet, one inch,

[2:51:24] and there's a little bit of a portion around here,

[2:51:26] which is hitting that nine foot.

[2:51:29] So our biggest concern has been,

[2:51:32] we've been going back and forth with the staff,

[2:51:35] that hey, why not just drop this master suite down.

[2:51:40] The issue is, we've talked with Sean and Heather in detail and we've been trying our level

[2:51:48] best that we don't actually even have these steps because their parents in future might

[2:51:53] move in and then Sean and Heather will actually probably move downstairs, but we could not remove

[2:52:00] these steps from the garage coming down because of the fight truck turnaround and all the levels

[2:52:05] the levels that we had to adjust for the far department, but they really want to keep all of this

[2:52:12] on one level so that, you know, in future, if they do move in, the grandparents have the access

[2:52:18] of at least one bedroom, which is usable without having to take the elevator or everything all

[2:52:24] around them. So that was kind of our main concern and that's the reason why this little bit portion

[2:52:30] of our house is in the grading exception.

[2:52:34] And of course, we couldn't pull it any further to the street.

[2:52:37] This is just to kind of give you an idea

[2:52:39] where Easton said drive is.

[2:52:40] Our property is really well below the street level.

[2:52:46] This area where my cursor is is where that grading

[2:52:52] exception is happening.

[2:52:54] And we are working with the homeowners.

[2:52:57] And we are hopefully going to be working with planning

[2:52:59] start during our landscape screening plan in order to

[2:53:03] vegetate this with natives and really adapt this house as best

[2:53:07] as we can in the hillside. We have retained our

[2:53:11] high limits, our square footage. We tried to be as sensitive to

[2:53:18] the site as we possibly could. This is, of course, looking at it from

[2:53:21] the dry wayside, but the existing house actually steps in

[2:53:25] the same location. We tried to keep the pool in the same

[2:53:28] location. So I want to just kind of show you this, everything you see in orange is the existing

[2:53:36] house. Everything, of course, without it is our proposed structure. We thought this will actually

[2:53:42] help clarify how we decided to kind of position this house on this hillside. As you can see from

[2:53:50] this side are kind of the only portion which sticks out a little bit is this area, but otherwise

[2:53:57] we've tried to be very, very conscious of where the existing house was and how we can be very

[2:54:05] sensitive to where we put our new home. The other thing is because of the fight for turn around,

[2:54:10] we really could not make this house wider. If we could have, we probably wouldn't be sticking out

[2:54:16] so much here. But we wanted to be, there's been a lot of constraint in this project. And to be very honest,

[2:54:24] I think we did a pretty nice job of working with the homeowners

[2:54:27] who've been really open-minded and the planning stuff

[2:54:30] on guiding us on how to do it as best as we could.

[2:54:35] So, surprisingly, and happily, we've managed to make

[2:54:38] the fire department happy, which is very difficult

[2:54:41] for you by the way, nowadays.

[2:54:44] And we have hopefully managed to make sure

[2:54:47] that we are not overhauling too much dirt from this side,

[2:54:51] because for us as an office, that's very important,

[2:54:53] that we don't touch the hillside too much.

[2:54:57] We of course have to reinforce the retaining walls where we need to.

[2:55:00] We are proposing our swimming pool kind of where the existing pool is. Again, where the stairs are coming and where this walkway is, we had to go with what our allowable heights are and that's why we've actually picked this pool up just a little bit. I think we picked it up to feet from the existing pad.

[2:55:19] So this kind of gives you an idea about where the existing house is located right now and currently where we are proposing our proposed project.

[2:55:32] And you can see right here is where the little bit of that existing house you can see is closer to the street than our proposed project.

[2:55:41] And again, down here where you can see the steep slope coming down from Sunset Drive, we are just trying to square this off.

[2:55:50] We are, I think, about two feet from the fight truck turn around right where the garage is.

[2:55:58] That's kind of the view of existing versus proposed.

[2:56:02] The one thing I want to just address my time is running out is the fight truck turn around material.

[2:56:08] we are actually working with the fire department on another project of ours where we've given the

[2:56:15] details in and that project is actually already at screening privacy screening time.

[2:56:23] So as soon as we get that detail approved, that's the one we are submitting for this. So I hope that

[2:56:29] at least very quickly tells you where we are coming from and we are here to answer any questions that

[2:56:35] might have.

[2:56:39] Thank you, any questions for applicants? And go ahead.

[2:56:51] Yes, I have a question about

[2:56:52] the swimming pool, since you're building over the location of the existing pool. What, how do

[2:57:06] What do you do to the old pool? Do you remove the thing entirely? Do you remove the part of it? Or

[2:57:14] how do you stabilize the soil and such where the where the pool is located?

[2:57:23] So we have actually done this in quite a few projects up here in the hills. We work with

[2:57:29] Marie engineers hand in hand in order to come up with the details for this. They've already given

[2:57:35] recommendations, but normally basically the pool does get checked out, normally they don't

[2:57:41] let us take the entire shell out. But we compact and fill it and then they have the criteria

[2:57:47] that the contractor has to follow on how the compaction should be, normally it's at 1995 percent

[2:57:54] and it's done in layers. But to be very honest, we kind of depend on their expertise to give us that

[2:58:01] information when we submit to the building department. The pool, of course, will be on a separate

[2:58:05] Thank you.

[2:58:12] I had a question.

[2:58:15] Go ahead.

[2:58:17] I've never seen the flat roof is made out of a material that don't think I've come across before.

[2:58:24] I understand it's a BBC plastic shaking kind of thing.

[2:58:29] So I'm going to just share my screen with the documents that were submitted.

[2:58:34] Let me see if I can open it.

[2:58:36] It is actually TPO, which is used, I would say right now, at least all the projects we've done in the hills,

[2:58:44] nearly all of them have that. It is a pirated material, and I'm just going to quickly go there.

[2:58:51] So you can take a look at it. It comes in different colors. We use the dog grain only for the roof,

[2:58:57] and where is it? I'm just going to make it smaller. I'm trying to see if we have it here.

[2:59:06] But TPO is basically a great material that we normally use for all our flag surfaces and so far

[2:59:14] I think nearly all our projects which are flat, we use them rather than the asphalt, we haven't

[2:59:22] been doing those things for a long time now.

[2:59:25] I would more interested in the degree of reflectivity and so on.

[2:59:31] Any problems with that?

[2:59:32] No, it's actually a delete the reflectivity on that is between depending on the color we select but the one we normally use is 40%

[2:59:42] I believe it's a dark kind of a gray color that we normally have use for our roofs.

[2:59:49] No, I'm just thinking that it's probably, but it's made of a plastic.

[2:59:56] It's like a rubberized material that gets put down and then it's

[3:00:00] It gets fused together for waterproofing.

[3:00:02] Yeah, okay, what I was about to say is probably less prone to glare than metal. Even the

[3:00:11] the matte metal roofs will occasionally, at certain angles, produce quite a flaring kind of light.

[3:00:21] But I wasn't aware that you'd use this widely, but it looks good.

[3:00:27] All right, thank you.

[3:00:30] Good. You had an exhibit three in your PowerPoint slide that showed the portion that was being

[3:00:41] had the grading exception. In fact, step back one more back maybe we can just find where I mean.

[3:00:51] I think you're talking about the one which was the section is my guess.

[3:00:55] Yes, okay, that actually there. That's a perfect view of it. This area that is on the grading level underneath there, I'm trying to understand what is going on there, is that are there walls containing this hollow section where you mentioned you didn't want to put any fill that that kind of wall in that whole area.

[3:01:24] Or is there just a wall down about midway tall

[3:01:30] where that you have, you show the greenery growing?

[3:01:35] For instance, if I wanted to, could I dig out down there

[3:01:40] and put in a floor and put in a table

[3:01:43] and some chairs and have a, like, a cabana

[3:01:47] to the swimming pool concepts?

[3:01:50] I really, so Jim, let me actually go on the section a little bit, I think that would help a lot.

[3:02:00] So what we are trying to do is to be very honest, nobody can really dig here because we are making these walls which are designed to have dirt on the site.

[3:02:11] Second, we are trying to promote where this is more like a natural hillside.

[3:02:16] We are creating a little bit of a plant or bed right now,

[3:02:19] that by the time the native vegetation takes place,

[3:02:22] the idea is that from here, you just see kind of vegetation going up.

[3:02:28] So we look like the hillside just goes and hits the retaining wall in the back.

[3:02:33] And then we are using the plant right now because, of course, everything takes time to grow.

[3:02:38] So this will help us put vegetation right away.

[3:02:40] And you're still complying that the town's requirement of not going over the height for the planter.

[3:02:46] Thank you.

[3:02:46] Now understand what you're doing.

[3:02:54] Anybody else have any questions?

[3:02:57] But you don't go ahead.

[3:03:00] Real quickly.

[3:03:00] I think we've had most of them.

[3:03:03] Just again, the the rest of the slides in the second level.

[3:03:06] I know that you've reduced them from when maybe 80 PCs had seen them.

[3:03:18] So, we are actually proposing the 4-inch cans, which are right here, and these cans, if you look at the specs and I'm going to see if I actually have it open, I think I did to

[3:03:32] to share with you all. They are actually not flush with the surface. We have learned. I'll be

[3:03:39] very honest in the 15 years doing work in the hill. We've learned that we like lights which

[3:03:45] and to be very honest, this is a recent learn in the last two years, that we like lights which are

[3:03:50] recessed back in so that the light actually falls straight down and they don't go on the walls

[3:03:57] or they don't in it outside. So the spec that we have of the light here, it actually recesses

[3:04:02] in a little bit and the and we can control the way the light actually falls and I have

[3:04:11] so there's only five right yeah so I'll show you that's for the upstairs so these are kind

[3:04:18] of the light how it looks I just wanted to show you where was it sorry right there so it kind of

[3:04:32] And it also has the reason we kind of like it because you can control the degree of the beam.

[3:04:40] This way, the homeowners kind of get the light on their deck, but we are not pushing the light on the walls,

[3:04:46] plus we are not pushing the lights kind of across the valley.

[3:04:51] And I'm going back, we do have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 lights on this floor in the overhang.

[3:04:58] I'm missing the 6-1.

[3:05:00] So I see five. I believe that circle is missing right here, but I was happy the circle was there to be honest with you. I thought it was nice to have the lights kind of there on the inside because that's more private to the homeowners. Oh, there you go.

[3:05:16] Yeah. And we've talked with the homeowners, Sean and Heather, and they're kind of open and happy to reduce if needed. We just didn't want it to put any scones if we can avoid it. But we put an option that if the, you know, if the commissioners want, we can put scones and reduce the overhang of lights, if need be.

[3:05:39] But it's mainly that just that one base is the kind of one that the other was a kind of more private to the home and the homeowners in the sense it's just was facing out but the thing is this house is sitting at a pretty low elevation compared to upper parts of the valley to so.

[3:05:59] And also did a lot of extensive because our advantage was that Sean and Heather actually live on

[3:06:06] site for a few years. So we were also able to see in the night what can they see who can see them

[3:06:13] and where we can actually position this deck and everything the best way. But I know that they are

[3:06:19] kind of open to adjusting if that's what the commissioner spells strongly. But we think with just

[3:06:25] foreign scans with this much amount of space, I think we should be able to easily accommodate them

[3:06:31] on the deck without really reflecting on to anybody. Yeah, because there's still a lot of

[3:06:37] ambient light that comes right through all the big glass windows, so it's not like you need

[3:06:40] it truly for safety, because you have so much light coming from the entertaining part of the house

[3:06:45] from inside already. Yeah, I think I'm part of the only one that's nitpicky when it comes to light

[3:06:52] and also to light admitting to the product

[3:06:54] or is that's my buzzwords there.

[3:06:57] The other thing, too, is when you confirm your guard

[3:06:59] reels and happy to see that they look like they're steel

[3:07:02] or whatever, but they're not class, they're all.

[3:07:05] And I guess, which is fantastic.

[3:07:09] One other question, which I'm surprised

[3:07:10] in my fellow commissioner,

[3:07:11] was sure I didn't ask this question,

[3:07:13] but for the pathway easement,

[3:07:15] it's interesting on your one, like your 3D modeling,

[3:07:19] which I'd just say, it's really awesome

[3:07:21] a way you 3D modeled the existing house with the new proposed house. I wish all architects could

[3:07:27] adopt that. But it just seems interesting since you're doing so much to create more the entertainment

[3:07:34] and living area there with the native plantings lawn and pool the area where the pathways going through

[3:07:41] even though there's also some steep portions there. It looks like those old retaining walls and

[3:07:46] fruit trees that are going to be there might be abandoned from the looks of your to where the

[3:07:52] elevations might match up with the neighboring part. That's almost kind of wondering as far as

[3:07:58] um. So we are not actually we might have to work with the source engineer about the existing retaining

[3:08:04] walls which are here but right now um the ones that we are updating are the ones close to the house

[3:08:10] We are not proposing any grading. Of course, we can't be within 10 feet to the property line,

[3:08:16] but we are trying to keep as far away from here as possible just because of how delicate this

[3:08:22] hillside is. So we actually talk with the soils engineers and we are hoping that we are actually

[3:08:27] only cutting back how much we need to in order to put our foundation system on this end.

[3:08:34] But we are trying not to re-grade and put dirt here, and we are not allowed to grade within the first 10 feet to the property line in English as per term policy.

[3:08:44] Now, I would be more as far as if you look a little further down to where

[3:08:49] There, right there, that area, I was looking more for abandonment.

[3:08:56] Not grading or anything, just abandonment, because just to kind of give it, do a given take with the other neighbor in their time for the reason.

[3:09:05] But pathways is not my thing.

[3:09:07] That is, we're sure it's thing.

[3:09:09] And I just figured I'd ask the stupid questions since I have no background in pathways.

[3:09:14] And this has been a very challenging site as you can see with the ton of retaining walls holding up quite a lot of stuff.

[3:09:21] So we've been working with the soils engineer to make it more, you know, safer for the homeowners without really having to repay the whole space.

[3:09:30] And since we are on this slide, I'll just show you that's the fire truck going around.

[3:09:35] So you can see we are right where we could place the house right here.

[3:09:40] Okay,

[3:09:43] that's it for you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

[3:09:48] Any other questions?

[3:09:55] I didn't have any questions, so if there are no more questions.

[3:10:00] Thank you, applicant, and we'll move over to the public comments.

[3:10:07] Cody, can you see if there are people who want to talk?

[3:10:20] And my mute, I'm muted.

[3:10:23] We can hear you.

[3:10:24] Okay, I am speaking for the environmental design and protection committee.

[3:10:32] They've moved the roof line, the roof line, the roof line, the first application came in.

[3:10:40] that made it look in a three-story facade.

[3:10:43] Now they've moved it down to the bottom.

[3:10:45] So when you look at the house from off-site,

[3:10:48] there is a three-story facade, and we had that on another

[3:10:54] applications that the architect did.

[3:10:57] And at the time we had a heated discussion,

[3:11:00] trying to get screening along that side of the house.

[3:11:05] So nobody could see it.

[3:11:07] I don't think the retaining wall with signs are going to do it.

[3:11:12] I think that it should be, if you're going to allow this,

[3:11:17] that it should be a condition of approval that has large shrubbery.

[3:11:22] So you can't see that area from off-site.

[3:11:25] So it does actually look like it is a not-to-three story to slide.

[3:11:35] So the other thing is the light well is really do not need our town standards.

[3:11:40] I think it's a, it's 90, it goes all the way around the house.

[3:11:47] So I think that can be broken up.

[3:11:49] You need them only where they're bedrooms.

[3:11:53] There's an area where there's a gym.

[3:11:56] And I think that where the gym is, it could be cut off.

[3:12:00] So you would have the light well for the ADU going up to the stairs, and then you would cut this light well, going out in half and not have, this is, why, we say that we're doing basements,

[3:12:21] so you don't get to be, you don't have it count as plor area.

[3:12:28] But when you put a light well around the whole house to me, that is no longer a basement, and we do have standards for light wells, and this is the next set of ones.

[3:12:43] Secondly, I didn't see where the pool equipment was going.

[3:12:46] It's not shown on the site because so often we have it in the wrong place and the other thing that I noted that in some places they in one area on the driveway, they showed a blast or acrylic sensing or rail and on another one they showed iron rails and they show iron rails around the top of the building.

[3:13:17] So I wonder whether they're using glass railings on the driveway or if they are, or if it's the one that shows that it's iron.

[3:13:30] And let's see.

[3:13:34] I think swimming pool, I was wondering if the pool isn't being taken out, so there was

[3:13:41] a lot of soil settling down by the pool, so if the pool is in the same location, what

[3:13:50] is being done to stabilize the soil around the pool?

[3:13:56] Okay,

[3:14:01] all right. Thank you, Garo.

[3:14:23] Thank you, Cody. Let's see. We can go back to the applicant and see if they would like to address any of the comments made.

[3:14:38] Go ahead, Malika.

[3:14:40] All right. Thank you. So I just want to state for the shrubbery. We are actually very happy to plant a big mature vegetation along this line.

[3:14:52] we actually prefer that. So we are happy to do that. That's not a concern at all.

[3:15:00] That could be a condition. We actually have five foot wide lightbell for the access. Initially, we

[3:15:07] didn't have this long lightbell. We had access from here, but just because of the way the fire truck

[3:15:12] turnaround has come. We are actually hugging the driveway and coming in for the ADU. And also, in

[3:15:19] order to work out with the building department, which we know is going to be a question as we go in.

[3:15:25] We will have to give an exit out of this basement either a light well here or here and since

[3:15:33] this place is very little where we can we don't have to kind of dig more and put another light

[3:15:40] well in the back of the house. We actually decided to put this and we work with planning stuff

[3:15:46] and I believe we comply so I just wanted to clarify that. We will definitely be working with

[3:15:54] the, with moral engineers, our soils engineers as well as our civil and structural engineers

[3:15:59] when the pool compaction and around this area, the stabilization comes into play.

[3:16:05] I'll be very honest, this is something that till the project is approved then we kind of

[3:16:10] start working with them on the building department side. But I totally understand and appreciate

[3:16:19] for our commissioners to be looking at these things,

[3:16:22] because sometimes they get kind of lost in transformation.

[3:16:26] But we are really, sorry, that was really talking to me, I don't know why.

[3:16:32] But we do, that's the reason you see these plantar beds around the pool,

[3:16:36] and we are hoping that once this is approved,

[3:16:39] we are actually going to be working with our soils engineering stuff

[3:16:41] to really get it done properly.

[3:16:44] So we definitely are a verified and want to do it

[3:16:46] because right now the property is not even safe for the kids to play there.

[3:16:53] I hope I addressed all the questions, but we are here if there's any more.

[3:16:59] I know, chance for the commissioner's to ask questions to staff or that.

[3:17:06] Brigida?

[3:17:10] Yeah, you know, looking at these light wells, I do have a concern because they've become like

[3:17:14] really long perimeter corridors on the exterior of the house. And you know, you do need light

[3:17:21] for bedrooms but it's become like a long running hallway and the same thing

[3:17:28] there's those lightwall on the back side. Is there any way to kind of restrict or

[3:17:35] you know limit a little bit the light was they they performed a function like an

[3:17:41] extra running wall hallway I don't have a say it so and I invite my fellow

[3:17:47] to discuss this with me as well, so.

[3:17:52] Yeah, if I could just jump in, and I must confess,

[3:17:57] when I saw the drawings, it did strike me,

[3:18:00] but I mentally dismissed it, and for the following reason.

[3:18:07] Yeah, if you have these long, light wells,

[3:18:10] there's a feeling of discomfort because it seems excessive

[3:18:14] and not pretty and but partially it's an aesthetic management.

[3:18:21] My concern more is of x-fire commissioner was the safety problem of if there is a fire that people on the lower level can not only go up but can shift sideways.

[3:18:38] and I haven't actually mapped out the connectivity here, but my feeling now after we

[3:18:46] had a disaster in town, oh about 12 years ago,

[3:18:52] where lack of a light well, very

[3:18:54] probably caused two fatalities.

[3:18:59] I'm in the mode of more light wells, the better, because

[3:19:03] Nobody can really see them off-site, so who cares?

[3:19:09] And there's a feeling of comfort that you can,

[3:19:11] they have to be there for exit,

[3:19:14] and if you're going to have them there,

[3:19:16] and you can connect them,

[3:19:19] then you've increased the ability to get out

[3:19:22] for a cost of maybe an aesthetic slightly negative,

[3:19:28] but hardly ever seen.

[3:19:30] So that's my feeling of

[3:19:34] it.

[3:19:35] Go ahead, Malika.

[3:19:38] So thank you so much for bringing this up.

[3:19:41] We actually, most of our projects,

[3:19:43] we try not to have light wells so extensively placed.

[3:19:47] What we've done is we've actually created this house

[3:19:50] in a way where we could have privacy from the pathway

[3:19:52] on the other side.

[3:19:54] So you can see the reason for making this kind of an

[3:19:58] shape here is more.

[3:20:00] That all the private spaces are here. And let me go on this. We're actually using maybe this is a better one. We're actually using, if you look at it, this is kind of the upper deck. And you really don't even notice that there's light well there. We have to put cable rail here because of where it will exist in right ways and stuff. And this actually would be there regardless we have the stairs going down to the light bell or not.

[3:20:28] So, for us, it's very important, aesthetically,

[3:20:32] everything looks like it's tucked in and hidden and not really that obvious,

[3:20:38] but I personally think that we've done a good job of not like from this view or any view where

[3:20:44] you just feel like there's like those like those all over the place.

[3:20:47] We try to keep them really hot close to the house and just follow wherever our decks and

[3:20:54] overhangs were just to kind of softly hide them and then of course this

[3:20:58] access was just made it easier for this area otherwise we would have had to give a

[3:21:05] light bill in the back of this property. So I hope that addresses or be

[3:21:11] here. Yeah I did one more question for you this for us on the lightwalls. Okay so

[3:21:15] I kind of understand now that the lightwalls in this kind of family private area

[3:21:20] Yeah, but how about the one in the back corner, where the pathway is also proposed, back, yeah, that one there could that be eliminated basically it with the fact that the other light will provide so much fire access as well as provides more functionality to family than the staff one.

[3:21:43] We can, as you can see, we were trying to give a window into this bathroom and some ventilation down here.

[3:21:50] But let me just go real quick.

[3:21:55] Right here, we actually, it is kind of covered because from there,

[3:22:01] Sun's bedroom, this would be the access out to the back,

[3:22:05] and this light will is below.

[3:22:07] So it's technically from upstairs.

[3:22:10] The light will still bear.

[3:22:12] But let me just go back to there, which is right here.

[3:22:15] You see the dotted line, which is what

[3:22:17] that it will be nice to be able to give them some light

[3:22:19] in this downstairs bathroom and some ventilation.

[3:22:22] And that's the reason we took it further.

[3:22:25] But I would let the homeowners address that if they want to.

[3:22:29] If the commission really feels strongly

[3:22:31] about making this smaller.

[3:22:38] Yeah, because I like to explore that mainly,

[3:22:40] because you have such a functional light well on the other side that's, you know, also is more

[3:22:46] the privacy here. And then also because you have the pathway, the reason that it's been

[3:22:51] proposed along this side, that's the only reason I'm saying could this light will be, like,

[3:22:57] go made with it because it's also privacy issues too. And also the steep terrain that's all there,

[3:23:03] you know, keeping the beer from falling in. I would let you know. Yeah, sure. I'll, I'll, I'll

[3:23:09] to it. So the that light well is actually not on the steep part, the steep part for the pictures

[3:23:17] is closer to the neighboring property. So we don't actually quite have a problem way. It's the

[3:23:23] light well. The purpose of this one for us was really the three purposes were to get some light

[3:23:31] into that into that bathroom and light and ventilation into that bathroom. It was to have the

[3:23:37] way not be like go down and be very dark right because the rest of the stairway has

[3:23:46] windows on the side so we get some natural light coming into the stairway and we didn't

[3:23:51] we were trying to avoid having the bottom part of the stairway be very dark in a way that the

[3:23:59] floors were not and you know all you know we some of those windows actually open so that

[3:24:09] we can get some natural cross ventilation so we wanted to be able to get like actual you

[3:24:16] know stuff coming through the house including you know on the lower floors so those are

[3:24:22] the big reasons.

[3:24:26] Let me ask you also on that lower light, well, it doesn't lead you anywhere.

[3:24:31] You're just down there, right?

[3:24:32] You just know escaping going up the stairs or the ladder.

[3:24:38] No.

[3:24:39] So it's like, it's not a requirement, but right now, I don't know if when we submit to building,

[3:24:46] it will require us to put a monkey ladder, but right now, because we have one exit out from

[3:24:51] placement on this side and one on the other side, it technically is not a requirement that's why we didn't show one.

[3:25:02] Like I said, I'm just not used to seeing so many linear feet of lightwalls, that's what I'm trying to see if there's a way to kind of compromise, keep in the one that is functional and taking maybe one away that's not so functional. I don't know, just my two thoughts, my two cents, that's it. So it's a

[3:25:22] thing.

[3:25:23] And last special, since we can ask a cool equipment, that is something we're going to be doing.

[3:25:29] Well, if you want to point at it, we have a plan.

[3:25:32] Yeah, I'm just trying to see where which sheet, because I don't know which.

[3:25:36] No, but it's on that.

[3:25:37] You can see it on this sheet.

[3:25:38] It's right where she's pointing.

[3:25:42] It's right underneath the staircase.

[3:25:45] Okay.

[3:25:47] So this is the area.

[3:25:48] I'm sorry.

[3:25:48] I was looking for the sheet on the other screen.

[3:25:51] I'm sorry.

[3:25:53] Yeah, I showed it.

[3:25:54] But basically, we are putting it under this area because we need to tuck it away.

[3:26:00] it's not really visible and then of course we have the MDA issue. Okay, okay great.

[3:26:07] I would also add that visibility is important but the sound I think will be very important because

[3:26:14] that area is so wonderfully quiet that you'll want to make sure that you don't create an echo

[3:26:23] chamber that broad casts that were in noise into the canyon.

[3:26:33] So basically it's

[3:26:34] in to like a bunker type of set. Commissioner Worshura? Yeah. Okay.

[3:26:41] I wouldn't use the

[3:26:42] word bunker just because of the technical. It is it is going to be under the landing of

[3:26:49] the stairs. It's kind of like a pool room if you didn't have the plunt or we would have

[3:26:53] had access from here. We are going to just do it from the top. Sorry, you just wanted to

[3:26:57] Yeah, I think it's a better word than, okay.

[3:27:01] Yeah.

[3:27:02] Thanks.

[3:27:04] But I mean, our current pool of Cova is in a very ugly shed that we want to get rid of, but

[3:27:08] the one good thing about it was that it did attenuate the sound.

[3:27:13] And we'd want to preserve that because any sound that happens down there bounces right off the

[3:27:17] Jesuit Hill and hits us.

[3:27:19] So we definitely feel appreciation for opening it.

[3:27:22] Okay, great.

[3:27:23] Thank you.

[3:27:27] All right. Anybody else have any questions? Okay, so then at this point I'm going to close the public hearing and let's start our discussions fellow commissioners who wants to go first.

[3:27:48] Not the heck with it, I'll go first.

[3:27:51] Okay.

[3:27:57] I'll start off by saying a couple of things that I noticed

[3:28:01] and one of them is a rye.

[3:28:04] The idea of trading off wall sconces versus recessed lights

[3:28:10] and you've gone the recessed route and thank you.

[3:28:15] I've tried to make people understand that wall sconces

[3:28:21] light up the wall and that's what you can see from miles away when there's a three-story house with all the walls lit up

[3:28:30] Where's really what you really want to do is lit light up the floor or the table where you're having your cocktails or whatever

[3:28:37] So please don't put any sconces in if you don't have to

[3:28:42] recess light and

[3:28:44] The word recessed emphasising and glad you showed the picture,

[3:28:49] the one where the adjustable angle,

[3:28:52] that's in the days when lights had filaments.

[3:28:56] I always pleaded for,

[3:28:58] there could be no line of sight from an observer

[3:29:01] to the filament of a bulb.

[3:29:05] You can only see light that had bounced off something else,

[3:29:09] but no direct line of sight to the filament.

[3:29:11] But we don't have filaments these days, but we do actually have primary emitters, but they're

[3:29:18] not as small and as bright, they're a little bit wider space.

[3:29:25] But the ones you had there, I love them, that they had a finite angle of down would be.

[3:29:35] We went through the findings right at the beginning, and I mentioned them here only now because

[3:29:39] nobody else has discussed them. I went over them and no problem with them. I think everything

[3:29:45] you said there is quite correct. The other house is in the neighborhood.

[3:29:57] You're not

[3:29:59] .

[3:30:00] The findings being necessary. The irony is you are reducing the amount of incursion on this house. What was there before?

[3:30:11] So it would be really ironic if we disapprove the findings or were not prepared to vote for them.

[3:30:20] This is an improvement, so I think we should encourage that.

[3:30:26] In my final point, and I mentioned this just in as a form of praise, a couple of times

[3:30:35] you mentioned the words tuck into the hillside, wow.

[3:30:43] We have had a couple of houses over the last few years, which have been set like clump

[3:30:49] putting us on a platter on top of a hill and this is tucked into a hillside and I just

[3:31:01] bring it up here because I'm so happy to hear that and with that I'll

[3:31:06] side.

[3:31:12] Okay, who wants to go next?

[3:31:16] Okay, Jim. I concur with just these comments.

[3:31:22] I think it

[3:31:23] not only is it a little bit of an improvement. It's a massive improvement in my opinion.

[3:31:31] There's a tremendous amount of deferred maintenance on this home and

[3:31:36] And they, I believe have done a fairly good job with a non-conforming law.

[3:31:42] A 4,000 square foot home is, or 4,000 square foot MFA is not huge.

[3:31:47] My view is that using a little extra light well to give a sense of size, especially considering

[3:31:57] people are going to see the light well is probably okay and I do think that all the metrics seem

[3:32:07] to be calling them right direction. The only exception is this grading exception and I do believe

[3:32:15] that it is necessary because it's a non-conforming law and they really were forced by the

[3:32:23] department and other constraints to make do in the best possible way and I think they've made

[3:32:31] some good choices here. The issue about the pathway on the other side, I just want to reiterate

[3:32:39] one comment about that. Though there is this issue about it being seen and we can't build a pathway

[3:32:46] there. The concern that I have is that we would nonetheless say put in a pathway

[3:32:53] and that would prevent them from being able to put up a shrubs or a fence to provide some screening from the pathway.

[3:33:09] I believe this is a very important pathway. I love the idea of taking this pathway, getting up,

[3:33:22] So I really want to encourage making sure it's done, but I think what we, what hopefully we will consider is to use the exact same language we did on the last project in order to have them work out a 20-foot conduit for that.

[3:33:40] And that's all I have.

[3:33:43] All right, Brigida?

[3:33:45] I have a question on the padlet because pathways are not in the conditions you're provided.

[3:33:51] I don't understand your question, Brigina.

[3:33:56] I'm basically on the previous property,

[3:33:58] there was the pathways where you know,

[3:34:01] given what condition number,

[3:34:03] missing something on the title.

[3:34:06] It should be under the engineering conditions.

[3:34:10] And it's drawn on the maps,

[3:34:15] the site plan.

[3:34:17] Okay, yeah, number 32.

[3:34:20] No, that's right.

[3:34:20] That's right.

[3:34:21] That's the season.

[3:34:21] And that sees me.

[3:34:22] Oh, here's a 33.

[3:34:24] 33, OK, yeah, I just want to make sure that it was there.

[3:34:28] Is that even thing?

[3:34:29] And I've spoken with the owner here.

[3:34:34] And further below on the property, that would be fine, though,

[3:34:38] be careful of that poison oak that's down there.

[3:34:41] Or further up on the property, a budding, what

[3:34:45] would now be an amusement for a right of way.

[3:34:49] That would be fine.

[3:34:50] It really is this one section that is, I think, a very sensitive area, and I think that we can accomplish the important goal of making it.

[3:35:00] The past week, but also providing these folks with some privacy.

[3:35:07] So, let me ask you, Commissioners, as I said, we have a few things, it seems like, which was an agreement

[3:35:14] of planting vegetation to prevent the three-story facade appearance. I think, you know, the architects are

[3:35:22] agreed to send me with the homeowners. That's an old brainer to make sure that that is put into the

[3:35:27] conditions. And then they're tying back to the previous property where we had the conditions

[3:35:32] on the pathway that there'd be a some kind of discussion going on between the two homeowners

[3:35:39] or the two projects and the city to come up with that. And then also about the staging

[3:35:48] a partnership and a construction operation plan, a little bit more thoroughly than we have

[3:35:54] most players because of the situation of East Sunset road being so tight and there's no parking

[3:36:00] there.

[3:36:01] And then not to forget also anything with the trucks, noticing neighbors, but any trucks

[3:36:06] that is over by tons, like you did in the last property.

[3:36:11] So we have a little bit of repeat of some of those conditions since the similar situations,

[3:36:17] Yep.

[3:36:17] You also mentioned removal of a chant.

[3:36:21] That might be something under consideration.

[3:36:26] You know, keep that.

[3:36:27] The area where it's private to them.

[3:36:29] Keep that.

[3:36:30] Let's recess less.

[3:36:31] I would really like to see that one can.

[3:36:33] Basic outwards.

[3:36:35] I think we are.

[3:36:36] We're doing this recess lights.

[3:36:38] Thank you.

[3:36:39] No.

[3:36:40] One light is not going to.

[3:36:43] You know, change any major issues here.

[3:36:46] Yeah. Yeah. I like that it was seated in that was actually really great and also to see that there is a narrow range. So I do agree with

[3:36:56] Commissioner Caparis as far as, yeah, that definitely what we're trying to avoid is the cruise ships on the hill type of effect.

[3:37:04] Yeah, I know. I'm from the interior anyway.

[3:37:08] But let me comment on this lighting. I think we're going sometimes over more.

[3:37:13] We should look at the new standards of LED lighting.

[3:37:18] What was shown by Malika was the new LED lighting recess flights,

[3:37:23] which are way different in how they operate compared to what are, you know,

[3:37:30] standard lights that we are familiar with.

[3:37:34] So it's better to understand them.

[3:37:37] And I completely agree with what you mentioned.

[3:37:42] They are 10 times, if not more, better than having walls

[3:37:46] concerts.

[3:37:48] And if you like, I can show you examples

[3:37:51] that other properties, where recess lighting

[3:37:54] is not as bad as you think, walls concerts

[3:37:58] are really, really bad.

[3:38:02] If I could jump in here, there's a sort of ambiguity when we call them

[3:38:07] recessed lighting. We used to use that term, for example, in my kitchen here, I have lights in

[3:38:15] cans in the ceiling, but the front of the bulb is flush with the ceiling. So I can see the actual

[3:38:24] body of the glass of the bulb, as I move around the kitchen. What we saw in the drawing tonight

[3:38:34] was a bulb recessed, let me call my kitchen recessed zero inches. It's not recessed. It's

[3:38:41] fresh, pretty close to it. What we saw tonight was the bulb is way up inside the can

[3:38:48] And therefore,

[3:38:52] the being coming out has a restricted angle, it's no longer one 80 degrees.

[3:38:59] It's closer to maybe 60 or 70 degrees.

[3:39:03] And unfortunately, we've already used the word recessed to apply to bombs that were not recessed,

[3:39:10] that the body was but not the lighting, making comment.

[3:39:14] So, no, I really love these lights.

[3:39:16] Did

[3:39:19] you have any other comments?

[3:39:25] Okay.

[3:39:26] Can I have something of my fellow commissioners?

[3:39:30] And if it's not pertinent, please let me know and I'll take this elsewhere.

[3:39:34] But the lantern, which Brigadier mentioned cruise ship concept, is, I've heard that many times.

[3:39:47] But it never has anything to do with the outdoor lighting, it's what happens on the indoors.

[3:39:52] And I was recently in a home that had floor to ceiling glass.

[3:40:00] Class, much like this one. And I looked up to see where are the shades? Where's that automatic thing that will drop a shade down in front of the glass to protect, to give them privacy, to prevent the light from emitting, but most, most.

[3:40:26] You have to do with the great coming in. I live on a hillside and I have that beautiful

[3:40:32] glass. I want to tell you, it gets hot and it can be unpleasant. And I'm just wondering if there

[3:40:41] is a future effort that we should undertake about what happens right in the first three or four

[3:40:56] and other features for residents.

[3:41:02] Any feedback?

[3:41:05] Fair. I can comment a little bit on that.

[3:41:09] The new homes need to have a certain green points.

[3:41:15] The more the glass, the less the green points,

[3:41:19] because of the very issue that you mentioned about heat.

[3:41:23] So it is a trade-off which the homeowners have to make up in getting their green points by using glass of a certain quality to avoid the heat from coming in to the home when you have a lot of glass.

[3:41:46] So there are checks and balances for that purpose and the check, the balances of is the green points.

[3:41:59] Well, I understand what you're talking about and they can fill the pains with argon and improve their green points.

[3:42:08] I was hoping that we might be able to do something that would actually also help the lantern issue.

[3:42:14] That the only thing I can think about for that is a very slight hint in the glass, because

[3:42:24] hint in the glass could reduce some of the light emanating outside for the lantern effect.

[3:42:32] Of course, the best alternative is to have shapes.

[3:42:39] But yes, modern moves tend to have a lot of glass and you are limited to what alternatives

[3:42:50] and options you might have, maybe they'll make them polarized at some point, yes.

[3:42:59] Anyway, just a few of my comments, I agree with some of the

[3:43:06] things which I've been discussed, we do need to repeat the construction operation plans,

[3:43:13] whole section regarding the trucks and the fight on, you know, limit for notifications,

[3:43:22] the parking and so on. We should also repeat the language for the pathway easement that we had

[3:43:32] for the prior property for this property. Other than that, I found that they did a pretty good job.

[3:43:43] The MDNMFA of the new home is less than their existing home. It's said that is more compliant

[3:43:51] than their existing home. The only new, I would say, variance is the grading requirement and with a

[3:44:00] like this. I can understand that some of that grading exceptions are reasonable. Even on the

[3:44:09] light wills, I concur with what fellow commissioners Cooper said was sure of mentioned that I

[3:44:15] don't see it as a major issue. It does provide a little bit more ventilation for the lower level

[3:44:25] And more importantly, as was mentioned, it is a additional safety issue for the one time in a million where you might have a fire.

[3:44:42] So I don't see it as a major concern or issue that I would address.

[3:44:49] The vegetation condition for, you know, the facade is more of a landscape screening issue.

[3:45:00] We should at least, and we apparently have now mentioned it to the applicant that we are concerned about the vegetation issue.

[3:45:10] But I think it would be better for them to handle it at landscape screening and the better approach might be to just say that landscape screening comes back to planning commission.

[3:45:22] Because that way, you get a better opportunity to review it and make sure that it is to our like.

[3:45:35] So anyway, so that's where my thoughts are.

[3:45:43] Let's see, any more discussions, or do we want to have a motion?

[3:45:51] I think or a shave, you summarized once.

[3:45:56] His notion.

[3:46:02] I think what you summarize was the motion from the documents we received with

[3:46:12] the addition of the pathways thing. Did I get that wrong?

[3:46:16] Yes, I would say the documents, pathways, and I would also add the same language to the

[3:46:26] construction operations plans is the previous project about you know what you talked about the

[3:46:33] fight on truck that holds section.

[3:46:38] The fights on truck exactly. Yeah. And the parking and you know

[3:46:44] I already forgot what you mentioned, but that was a wonderful statement you had.

[3:46:54] If anyone else would like to try this, go for it.

[3:46:59] I mean, basically do a repeat of what you said Jim.

[3:47:09] I concur, maybe Jim, as the rookie, go for it again.

[3:47:14] I moved to approve the application as condition on the conditions for

[3:47:27] approval as described in the documents that were distributed with the following

[3:47:38] additional requirements that there be a arching plan submitted to staff and

[3:47:47] that we're able to staff that trucks exceeding five tons, trigger, notice to neighbors

[3:48:07] as described in the existing conditions,

[3:48:17] that staff will work with the resident and the

[3:48:23] 20-foot conduit along the shared property line to minimize the pathways easement on this property

[3:48:34] adjacent to the new residents. And should no agreement be reached, both properties will

[3:48:43] provide the 10th foot easement as originally conditioned.

[3:48:56] I think that's it.

[3:48:57] Yeah, there is more.

[3:48:59] Yeah, one more that this project comes back for landscape screening.

[3:49:04] Yeah, and this project comes back to landscape screening.

[3:49:07] Brigitte, I think that means you second.

[3:49:09] Second, yep.

[3:49:13] OK, so we have a motion and we have a second.

[3:49:17] Maybe have a roll call or do we want?

[3:49:22] Is everybody agree about this?

[3:49:24] Or do we need to have any discussion?

[3:49:30] Okay. So let's have a roll call.

[3:49:34] For more.

[3:49:40] Commissioner Smith.

[3:49:42] Yes.

[3:49:45] Commissioner Indico.

[3:49:46] Yes.

[3:49:48] Commissioner Washera.

[3:49:50] Yes.

[3:49:51] Commissioner Capareth.

[3:49:53] Yes.

[3:49:55] Carapatelle.

[3:49:56] Yes.

[3:50:00] Okay, congratulations. The motion passes and the project is approved, pending a 22 day appeal area.

[3:50:10] Now, before we move on to the next item, do we want to agree on what we should raise regarding the road safety concern we talked about to council.

[3:50:24] to should we send yet another reminder, letter, what should we do?

[3:50:36] Zach raised his fingers.

[3:50:39] Yes, so I just wanted to let everybody know that

[3:50:44] it is on staff's radar, actually the public works commissioner has already been

[3:50:49] pinging and Nicole was aware, was provided the copy of the letter that was sent

[3:50:54] afternoon and our plan is to provide a report to council at the July meeting. So maybe that's

[3:51:02] a good first step. But just to confirm it is on our radar and public works, we'll be looking

[3:51:08] at a specific report to council. But in the spirit of what Rajiv is saying, I don't think it would

[3:51:17] I heard for us to send a reminder letter saying, you know, we sent a letter and we're

[3:51:26] resending it if you will, something along with his lines.

[3:51:31] But I don't think we need a motion to do that, although we can have a motion if you want.

[3:51:36] But I think the new chairman could.

[3:51:40] But so, at least it's comforting to know that this time, at least the letter from the residents has gone to the council to us, to the staff and the staff, including the public monops department has acknowledged it.

[3:52:00] So I'm confident that it is going to be raised at least for some discussion at the July

[3:52:08] meeting. So I would say, let's wait. If it's not addressed at the council, July meeting,

[3:52:18] then maybe we should raise it. We might raise it a reminder at our next planning commission meeting.

[3:52:25] But my hope is that they will have an opportunity to discuss it since now, everybody is on call.

[3:52:34] Okay. I agree where I achieved. I think that a group of residents going to counsel

[3:52:41] in a group effort is possibly more effective than us writing a letter.

[3:52:50] But I would hope that you can help us talk with Nicole and get those oleanders cut.

[3:53:05] It should be a relatively minor effort.

[3:53:10] I shouldn't say that I'm not doing it anymore.

[3:53:12] But I do think that having more visibility around those turns, quite a bit, it could be achieved by trimming those, those holyanders and the other shrubs around that area.

[3:53:28] And that might be a modest effort that game gives us some appreciation that people might appreciate.

[3:53:36] I definitely, that's something we can we can talk to our maintenance crew about.

[3:53:40] While it was briefly mentioned today, from when I made a big point of not driving there this time, I've been down that road before, and my neck is a little bit fused, and I find it hard to look over my shoulder when I'm backing up all that way, which I had to do, because some brilliant guy had in fact parked his car on the edge of the road,

[3:54:10] road, and I couldn't go through to turn around to get out against. I had to back go all the way out.

[3:54:18] But what was raised this evening in any imparting was a possibility at least in certain spots

[3:54:25] of having a turnout, just a brief turnout, so that when there are two opposing vehicles,

[3:54:33] there is some alternative to having to back all the way out. So if we could ask the town crew to

[3:54:40] keep an eye out for possibilities to put 10 out in, either here or further down the road somewhere.

[3:54:53] Okay, let's move on, item 5.3, 2, 6.

[3:55:00] It's 2-7-0, for Rismarot. Let's read. Lands of Bellevue, zooning permit to construct a new 12-foot tall sound

[3:55:14] wall to the south of the residents and a variance to allow portions of the wall which exceed the

[3:55:22] maximum wall height of 6 feet within the required rear yard set back.

[3:55:30] Krista, you're on deck again. Yes, thank you. Okay,

[3:55:39] so

[3:55:42] here's the site and

[3:55:45] surrounding properties. The site is located as you can see south of

[3:55:57] be in the properties 2.1 acres in size. And this is the along the rear yard, the southwestern

[3:56:08] forest portion. Yeah, the property is about 100 feet away from interstate 280.

[3:56:25] And here's just

[3:56:28] about, there is a new residence project that was completed last year. So, when the applicant applied

[3:56:37] for that project in 2016, had a sound study done in October 2015, together existing outdoor

[3:56:47] sound levels on the property for the project. And then it was, so it was approved at a fast track

[3:56:54] during on January 8, 2016, and the permit was issued in September 2016.

[3:57:01] The landscape screening was approved, yeah, three years later, in 2019, and on January 7,

[3:57:11] the new residence was final. And then recently in May, the applicant retained a second sound

[3:57:19] engineering consultant to observe the noise coming from Interstate 280 and to evaluate ways

[3:57:26] to reduce the exterior noise exposure.

[3:57:32] So here's kind of a 3D view of the site and then

[3:57:38] here's where the proposed sound walls going. So there's a 56-foot portion that faces

[3:57:49] person, a person on Ravlita and then this longer 210 foot portion that

[3:57:58] per segment that faces interstate 280.

[3:58:07] And then here are some site photos. So this is

[3:58:10] yeah, facing the home from that intersection, the yellow here. I drew a yellow box

[3:58:18] just to kind of show the height of the wall and the width.

[3:58:24] So it would, there's, so right now,

[3:58:26] there's an existing residence,

[3:58:29] which is, yeah, completed earlier this year,

[3:58:31] same with the accessory dwelling unit here,

[3:58:35] referred to as the nanny house.

[3:58:38] And then so this wall is much more visible

[3:58:43] along person and so,

[3:58:47] But it's just the length of it is this the south eastern facing wall of that of that 80 you and then and then this photo just you show kind of a yeah from or that's yeah showing that intersection and just kind of what's along that road there's there's no property at the end there.

[3:59:14] There are properties across the street, but and then here below in the lower right image is just a view.

[3:59:26] I wanted to capture a view of the the back that that back wall and that within the rear yard set back.

[3:59:33] So along the there's a front existing pathway along.

[3:59:39] And yeah, along that, along Prisma Road, and from there facing towards the house, you would not be able to see that that wall proposed within the rear here at setback.

[3:59:52] It just mainly that wall facing over here facing Prisma,

[3:59:58] and then here just the more sightful.

[4:00:00] So, that's the Accessory Dwelling unit, the back yard, and then here is there's actually an existing eight foot wall.

[4:00:09] That was approved with the landscape screening here, and just some existing cipher sises that were planted.

[4:00:17] And also here, so the elevation of the home and and accessory going in the backyard is raised slightly so there's a valley here.

[4:00:33] I looked at the new residents project, the one that was approved in 2016, and it looks like the, it appears that the, um, the grade was, um, elevated like that.

[4:00:49] The existing grade was already slightly raised. I think you can see it more like right here. It was slightly raised already and with the new residents project.

[4:01:00] the this portion over here, along where the accessory

[4:01:07] dwelling unit is located and a portion here of the backyard was raised

[4:01:15] three feet at a maximum of three feet. So it was just that area that was raised

[4:01:20] and but yeah for some reason the grade was already slightly taller and down

[4:01:28] here, it's just a vacant area that was previously used or previously had a septic system.

[4:01:38] And then yes, and then back to the photos. So the wall, the south eastern facing wall would end

[4:01:47] right at the corner of the accessory dwelling unit. Here is just the view of how close the

[4:01:54] way is and then just in that baking area and the highway there and then here's the backyard with the pool

[4:02:06] some more images that the existing home and then again here so the yeah that rear yard

[4:02:15] that wall located in the rear yard will be back here and then I'll go around and then around the

[4:02:22] that self-eastern face of the accessory dwelling unit.

[4:02:27] And to just kind of show the Northwestern property line.

[4:02:31] Let's give context that's going here.

[4:02:36] Just for view impacts.

[4:02:39] So there's existing, there's an existing fence along that entire property line.

[4:02:45] And existing trees and tall shrubs.

[4:02:48] So I don't think that there will be visual impacts to those neighbors and here just another view of the site.

[4:03:03] So yes, so the applicant is proposing a maximum 12 foot tall sound wall.

[4:03:11] So, this segment, the South Eastern facing wall, will be 12 feet tall, but, and 56 feet long.

[4:03:25] However, to limit visual impacts, the applicant is also proposing redwood and cyclists or other types of evergreen trees.

[4:03:36] And but just to just to mention that this segment is not located or is outside the setbacks.

[4:03:47] And so this portion is not part of the setback variance.

[4:03:52] This this southwestern facing wall facing the highway is 210 feet long.

[4:03:59] from here, this portion of it, that's a hundred and forty feet long, gradually increases from five feet up to eight feet, along there's an existing berm there, and then the next seventy feet is increases again from eight feet to twelve feet, and yes, this portion is located with all within the rear yard set back and it's

[4:04:29] 15 feet from the property line,

[4:04:35] and then, yes, so the main purpose of the wall is to mitigate noise from high way to 80, especially in the backyard area in the rear yard.

[4:04:51] And the sound wall, the applicant is proposing to use tough barrier or was proposing to use

[4:05:00] A tough barrier wall. It doesn't quite look like a typical, you know, concrete sound wall that you see on the freeway, just to try to give it a better appearance.

[4:05:13] And then here's just a rendering.

[4:05:18] I tried, I was going to include an image that does of the wall I put a wall behind you just to kind of show that what it would look like with some trees in front of it.

[4:05:30] It doesn't look too visible from here, but yeah, there would be, there would need to be quite some many trees and

[4:05:39] I'll leave, I would want to require at least 36 inch box.

[4:05:43] There's also 48 inch box if we want instant screening.

[4:05:50] But that was one way we tried, I tried to,

[4:05:54] or the applicant and I tried to work to find a way to limit the visual impacts

[4:06:00] the neighbors in surrounding area.

[4:06:06] And we also try to reduce the height of the sound wall,

[4:06:15] but

[4:06:15] according to the consultant that the applicant recently worked with.

[4:06:29] So yeah, so okay, some of the key findings from the 2015 report were sound measurements

[4:06:39] on the property range from a daily average of 64 to 67 decibels with maximum sound levels

[4:06:46] of 67 to 70 and as a general guideline, exterior sound level should be kept

[4:06:58] at below 60 decibels and so the recently, the second a sound engineer that the applicant

[4:07:10] work with observed the site and observed that the site is exposed to direct line of site

[4:07:17] automobile traffic, traveling in both directions on interstate 280. That's why there's

[4:07:23] There's that wall along the south eastern side and the southwestern side to block that line of site.

[4:07:33] And the reason for the height of the wall is because in order to effectively mitigate sound,

[4:07:41] you need to be able to block the line of site, which is the highest point of the noise source

[4:07:49] and the highest point of the receiver as you can kind of see from this example, this image here

[4:07:57] and yeah so yeah basically it needs to be tall enough and whether it be a wall or you know

[4:08:04] a berm it would it would still need to be that height

[4:08:11] and then so to general plan always element

[4:08:15] policy 2.1, all development adjacent to interstate 280, a rest center road or foot hill expressway,

[4:08:23] should be designed so as to minimize the impacts of noise generated by traffic movement. However,

[4:08:29] policy 2.4 states that the construction of sound walls on private property adjacent to interstate 280

[4:08:36] and within the state right away should be discouraged

[4:08:42] and then as for town community review,

[4:08:46] The Environmental Design and Production Committee reviewed the project and recommended that the applicant choose an earthen burn rather than a sound wall because it will blend better with the existing vegetation.

[4:08:58] Also requested that planning staff formalized guidelines for a sound on mitigation and provide best best practices for future new construction projects.

[4:09:07] And then staff was contacted by one neighbor, located directly across the street at 2, 6, 3, 0, 3, for some a road, who reviewed the site plan and didn't have any objections to the proposal and yet know other comments from neighbors.

[4:09:28] And then the staff suggests that the commission review, the two sandwall segments, the

[4:09:37] south eastern and southwestern segments separately, and take individual action on each.

[4:09:44] Staff does not have a specific recommendation, but provides the commission with the following

[4:09:49] three options, approve the zoning permit and setback variance, approve the zoning permit and

[4:09:55] the setback rings and or deny these.

[4:10:00] Any permit and or set back payments and provide direction for revising the design and our placement of these on walls. And that concludes my presentation.

[4:10:13] Questions?

[4:10:13] Okay.

[4:10:19] Questions from anybody?

[4:10:25] Okay, Jim.

[4:10:30] I benefited from talking with the owner and others about this.

[4:10:38] and I was under the impression that there might be an alternative approach

[4:10:45] that was under consideration as an option. One that involved putting a three-foot

[4:10:52] berm down first and then putting a less tall thing on top of that. Is that still under consideration?

[4:11:03] is that an option or should we only be looking at the present description that you described?

[4:11:13] I believe that the applicant will be presenting an alternative option.

[4:11:17] Oh, I see. Got it.

[4:11:21] What happened to anything else?

[4:11:28] Yes, the the height limit of a fence is the same as the height limit of a wall.

[4:11:37] In fact, the difference between a wall and a fence is pretty loosey-goosey, you can make a double wall fence, and that looks like a wall to me, but some might call it a fence.

[4:11:54] And it's clear that if that fence is in the setback, our regulations say that it should be no taller than six feet.

[4:12:05] But if it's outside of the setback, if it's in your property proper,

[4:12:13] I understand that we have a limit for a tennis court athletic fence that's 10 feet and that that

[4:12:25] One might consider that if since that is limited to ten feet that all walls or fences are limited to ten feet, but are you aware?

[4:12:36] Are there any high restrictions?

[4:12:41] What are the high restrictions on fences that are built outside of the set back here?

[4:12:48] So yeah, that's not, it's not really specified in the code, but we would, yeah, for fences

[4:12:58] or walls or, yeah, within or outside the setbacks that exceed six feet, we would most likely

[4:13:05] escalate to site development hearing or planning commission hearing level. So that's that's

[4:13:12] what staff kind of determined and yeah, we determined that the the max or staff would probably

[4:13:18] support up to eight foot wall or fence, even outside the setback, but it's not specifically stated in the code.

[4:13:28] And when you say outside the setback, you mean that on this diagram, it would be the 56-foot portion.

[4:13:37] That's the portion that is outside of the setback.

[4:13:41] Yes.

[4:13:43] All right. I think I understand. Thank you very much.

[4:13:45] Why do you got this slide up?

[4:13:49] You said there's an existing wall that's already built a section of eight foot wall.

[4:13:54] Can you show where that is?

[4:13:56] Yeah, so let's look at it right here.

[4:14:00] Yeah, right on here.

[4:14:02] I believe it's that outdoor shower area.

[4:14:07] But that was approved with the landscapes.

[4:14:09] Yeah, yeah.

[4:14:10] No, it's just that wasn't a way that that wall was there.

[4:14:18] Oh, go ahead, bring it

[4:14:23] in.

[4:14:23] Wrong, but one other clarification since you see kind of brought the eight foot wall there.

[4:14:28] What is the height of the other wall that's on the eastern side of that other is you got eight foot there.

[4:14:37] And then you've got on the other side of the lawn on the other side of the pool.

[4:14:41] There is a solid wall there as well. What's the height of that one?

[4:14:46] Oh, right, this, this, this, this, this, this,

[4:14:48] no, that we're there right there.

[4:14:52] Is that the that hole length there is?

[4:14:54] Oh, there is a hole length there is a solid wall as well.

[4:14:58] Yes, I hope.

[4:14:59] Yeah, I did.

[4:15:00] Your blog, second wall, just like the eight foot one.

[4:15:03] Yeah. My right one. When that went to plan went to landscape screening, it's approximately

[4:15:09] six feet. Okay.

[4:15:15] Thank you for the clarification.

[4:15:19] I have a question. Oh, you know, when let's say

[4:15:23] cancran's wants to put a sound wall. They would also do a sound study.

[4:15:33] For any sound walls,

[4:15:35] do we need to have a study done to that level of detail or that level of standards to

[4:15:43] assess the situation? Because it's not about assessing the sound levels for the applicant,

[4:15:52] as much as it is to assess the sound levels for all of the neighborhood combined when you are thinking of sound waves.

[4:16:02] So was any such study done?

[4:16:07] Not to answer your question,

[4:16:11] but having digitized a lot of the newspaper articles from that time,

[4:16:16] A 280 was declared to be a scenic freeway and they didn't really define that, but they did

[4:16:24] make a point if you careful if you're a servant, the section between where highway 85 is and

[4:16:35] Monte on the, I call it the, the eastern side of 280. It has a very long sound wall from approximately

[4:16:48] cupatino until just before our Monte. From then on, it was supposed to be a scenic freeway without sound

[4:17:00] There were three root chosen for 280, roots A, B and C, and I forget which was the one

[4:17:07] they finally chose, but there was a lot of discussion with it how we should go.

[4:17:13] And so it's sort of ironic now that we're talking about putting us on rule up, which

[4:17:21] at the time CalTrans was not going to do on their property, they didn't actually say no

[4:17:27] else could do it, but Cal Friends specifically said, basically no soundwalls from El Monte

[4:17:38] Northwoods through those autosphills, I don't know how far, I didn't answer your question,

[4:17:48] but that general subject has come up before, along to 80.

[4:17:52] Can I ask you a question,

[4:17:57] do you should this can we save this part of the discussion to whom we have our chance because I do have a presentation I like to submit.

[4:18:07] We're at the search on all this stuff and I would really like to have an opportunity to have a little presentation as well when it's my turn in the correct sequence of events here.

[4:18:17] Okay,

[4:18:23] so let's know here from the applicant, the applicant has 15 minutes.

[4:18:48] Hello, can you hear me?

[4:18:50] We're going to hear you.

[4:18:51] Okay, great.

[4:18:52] Hey, Chris, a nice job on the presentation.

[4:18:55] Thanks a lot.

[4:18:55] Thank you.

[4:18:57] So bear with me, fellas and girls and ladies.

[4:19:01] I'm on my second glass of wine.

[4:19:04] And I just received a notice today.

[4:19:08] from AARP that I qualify for membership.

[4:19:13] So I'm not in a really good mood right now,

[4:19:17] but with respect to this wall, it's really not going to be a wall.

[4:19:22] We decided to change the profile to a fence instead.

[4:19:29] And the reason for that is just basically to get the idea

[4:19:34] That's going to be a wall for now on and simply put a fence and place the wall since it seems like everyone seems to have a problem with a wall to block the sound, but before I get into the design of the fence and the changes we're going to propose to this committee, I want to let everyone know how bad the sound is on my property, this property.

[4:20:00] Is one of if not the closest property to this four-lane superhighway. And what that said, the sound is constant. It's 24 hours a day, seven days a week of nothing but road noise.

[4:20:19] And unless you've been there seven days a week, 24 hours a day, you don't know really what I'm experiencing,

[4:20:30] it's more an issue at night because you have absolutely no place to go with peace and quiet.

[4:20:38] So, a sound wall is absolutely essential, but with that said, a fence from what our acoustical engineer has told us will provide the same down mitigation effect that a wall would provide.

[4:21:00] So,

[4:21:03] one of the things that

[4:21:07] I sent to Christ that was a change into the plan was in an effort to make the wall not so tall in front of Perisma Road would be to put in a three foot berm, which is a maximum earth and berm we can put in three feet and that would limit the wall to just over eight feet.

[4:21:27] I take that back to fence, because now we're proposing a redwood fence, as opposed to a sound wall.

[4:21:37] It'll be redwood or cedar or a darker colored fence, so there's no reflectivity on the fence.

[4:21:48] As far as the back is concerned, the height of the wall will vary from eight feet to five feet.

[4:21:56] Why? Because there's an existing berm already on the property. And the reason I'm asking for a variance on the setback is because of berm is on the setback.

[4:22:09] And we're looking at about a five foot variance setback.

[4:22:14] So, from my Coastal Engineers' comments, you said the best sound

[4:22:19] mitigator is indeed an earthen berm.

[4:22:22] So, I want to utilize the existing earthen berm and build a

[4:22:26] five to eight foot fence on top of that that

[4:22:30] will hide the freeway and mitigate the sound.

[4:22:35] So, if you look at the site plan,

[4:22:40] the additional three foot berm will start at the eight foot mark in the middle of that

[4:22:48] south-west wall and it will extend to the corner of the nanny house and then

[4:22:55] another three foot berm will go from there to the corner of the nanny house so

[4:22:59] there'll be a three foot berm engineered and on top of that we'll put an eight foot

[4:23:09] So

[4:23:12] with that said, I want to hand it over to my architect and my acoustical engineer Ryan.

[4:23:28] Go ahead, Rick.

[4:23:29] Hello, can you guys hear me?

[4:23:31] Yes.

[4:23:33] Okay.

[4:23:33] So how am I able to present and leave at at least show some images here?

[4:23:38] And Ryan, I think you need to get in here too, because you can speak to the images that I have here.

[4:23:47] You should be able to share your screen

[4:23:58] there playing out of there.

[4:24:15] Let me see if I can share screen.

[4:24:16] I'm going to show some images right now. You near.

[4:24:19] Just some here. Okay, so I'm the architect on the project.

[4:24:25] See can you.

[4:24:26] And you guys see that.

[4:24:27] Yes.

[4:24:28] Okay.

[4:24:29] So let me go

[4:24:33] to the images here.

[4:24:36] So let me see which one is best.

[4:24:40] So here's, okay, so here we go here, so I have an overhand view, and I have this one here

[4:24:45] Ryan, so I'm going to just flip through and you tell me which ones are the best ones for you here.

[4:24:51] I'm going to have

[4:24:56] the whole house, so there's a good image there.

[4:25:00] of the existing wall that's there. We, we almost want to match this height here correct, Joe.

[4:25:07] Because this is already a feet here. So we want to take this down to the corner.

[4:25:14] Rick, the, Rick, the proposed wall will go in the middle of that shower wall behind it, four feet above that.

[4:25:25] So there's an earthen burn, four feet, and there's a burn here, so this is the burn that's already there.

[4:25:32] So this is the four foot burn this there. So we just want to continue that wall here pretty much mass this height almost.

[4:25:38] Well, it'll be four feet above that, Rick.

[4:25:40] It'll be the bottom right here.

[4:25:42] Right.

[4:25:42] Exactly.

[4:25:43] So to continue, I won't go higher than the roof line, and they'll continue on to the corner.

[4:25:48] Yeah, and I think those juniper trees are good reference for the scale of height that we're talking about.

[4:25:54] Yeah, let me find this overhead a few here.

[4:26:00] So there we go.

[4:26:00] So there's the existing wall.

[4:26:02] So basically we want to follow these trees here.

[4:26:05] We can move them, replace them in the front or in the back.

[4:26:09] Take this corner here.

[4:26:11] Turn along the nanny's house about here and then stop.

[4:26:14] And we want to take some more junipers or whatever trees we need to plan here.

[4:26:19] And just aggressively screen the wall.

[4:26:23] Here in this case.

[4:26:24] Now, we already have this wall here, so if you're talking about wall exposure, that one's right there anyway.

[4:26:30] I think over time, this property is landscape well enough that it will grow in quite nicely and camouflage a lot of this stuff on the property here.

[4:26:41] And then the remainder of the wall will continue on.

[4:26:44] You won't even see it with all this these trees here.

[4:26:49] And go ahead, Ryan, you can talk to the acoustical points of this.

[4:26:52] And I think again, briefly, we want to use a ship lap

[4:26:56] with what we're experiencing here.

[4:26:58] And I think we can achieve our goal with that.

[4:27:00] I think we just need to re-arm a height.

[4:27:02] So go ahead, Ryan.

[4:27:05] Sure, thank you.

[4:27:06] Thanks all for staying up to late.

[4:27:08] First of all, if anyone has any questions,

[4:27:10] I'm here to answer that that's kind of my role

[4:27:11] as to explain physics and how sound propagates

[4:27:14] and how we can use that to our advantage

[4:27:16] to get to the environment that we want.

[4:27:18] Just to be clear, if you haven't been to the site, the sound levels are about 67 decibels, which is louder than conversation level.

[4:27:28] So what that means is that if you're outside in the yard and you want to have a conversation with the person standing next to you, what that means is you need to raise your voice in order for that to happen.

[4:27:38] So instead of sitting outside or relaxing and having a conversation with your friend, you can still have a conversation, but you need to raise your voice and spend more effort to do that.

[4:27:46] So you wouldn't want to be talking on the phone unless you have to, you know, again, raise your voice, and what we're talking about is reducing it to the level where you don't quite have to do that. So it kind of goes from this uncomfortable situation to something more manageable. That's, that's the difference that we're talking about and just to touch on the, the caltrance that I can, you know, I can digress on this more if, if you want, but the caltrance standard is, is right around 67 decibels. I believe it's actually 67 decibels for a resident.

[4:28:17] And, you know, captions may have dictated that you don't want soundwalls for visual reasons,

[4:28:23] but the noise exposure is still there. And the noise exposure is simply not going to go away

[4:28:28] until something physical is placed in between the vehicles on the inner state and the yard.

[4:28:36] So as Chris said, mentioned the height of this physical placement is the critical part.

[4:28:42] it really needs to be a certain height

[4:28:44] for it to be effective at all.

[4:28:46] There's no real partial benefits.

[4:28:48] It's kind of an all or nothing.

[4:28:51] So again, the critical factor is what elevation

[4:28:55] do we need to reach in order to first of all do anything at all

[4:28:59] and also bring it from this kind of uncomfortable level down

[4:29:02] to something where you really want to spend time outside.

[4:29:05] That's what we're up against.

[4:29:08] Yeah, I think when I, when I, you know,

[4:29:10] people have made comments about the positioning of the home and what not when I designed

[4:29:14] this home, you know, the sound exposure is on the site period, you know, where no matter

[4:29:20] where I would have placed this home, the sound exposure is there.

[4:29:25] So, you know, I felt that this was the best place for the home and we really didn't know

[4:29:30] what the real impact was going to be, you know, until this house was built and there were

[4:29:38] a bunch of burns on site that may have mitigated the sound actually when we purchased this

[4:29:43] space. But once everything was cleared out, you know, we were in construction. So we really

[4:29:48] didn't know until things were built. So in the front of the house, you know, I placed a water

[4:29:53] feature in the front of the home to mitigate the sound, but it's quite quiet there. You know, and then

[4:29:59] I put water.

[4:30:00] Features in the back to get to try to mitigate the sound, because I knew what I was up against. You know, the water, the water feature wasn't in the original design. I placed it here, but it's just becoming, you know, quite unbearable at this point, you know, so we just want to work together with you guys and come up with a solution.

[4:30:26] Okay, anybody have questions for them?

[4:30:35] Yes, I have a question. Can you hear me?

[4:30:37] Yes, yes.

[4:30:40] I have been to the side a couple of times

[4:30:43] and I'll save my discussion for later in the agenda,

[4:30:51] but I have a question for the sound engineer.

[4:30:57] I understand the wave propagation of the sound coming

[4:31:02] from the freeway to the people standing indoors and outdoors there, I noticed a picture that

[4:31:15] Christopher provided showing that the height was related to the source of the sound, not only

[4:31:27] being the wheels on the pavement but also being the top of the stack of the exhaust on

[4:31:41] the truck and my examination of that seemed like the truck case, the top of the stack

[4:31:54] case was three sigma out, I mean, that was a lower occurring event and that the real dominant

[4:32:04] noise came from the wheels on the pavement. I'm wondering if you feel that there's any validity

[4:32:12] of what I'm describing and if that would translate to any difference in the minimum required

[4:32:21] to zero out that line of sight situation that you're describing.

[4:32:27] Sure, and I think we can also draw on your own experience from being at the site.

[4:32:33] When you're there, you have the higher pitch frequency sound of the tires on the roadway.

[4:32:38] It's kind of a high pitch city drone.

[4:32:42] And then when a vehicle comes by, you hear engine noise.

[4:32:46] So, you know, some things like loud motorcycles or semi-attractor trailers.

[4:32:49] And in that case, you might hear the engine sounds.

[4:32:54] So just from what you hear and what you experience on site,

[4:32:57] I think can answer your own question.

[4:32:59] When a semi-truck comes by,

[4:33:01] as you hear an engine sound, that engine sound,

[4:33:03] if you hear it is coming from the exhaust.

[4:33:06] So the unfortunate case with trucks like this,

[4:33:09] the exhaust stack is at the top of the vehicle,

[4:33:12] and that is the actual sound source of the engine sound.

[4:33:15] Is the consequence of what you're saying that really the idea is the taller the better?

[4:33:24] Yes, and and also that there is a minimum there is a minimum elevation that will do something.

[4:33:31] And it's a minimum.

[4:33:33] Yeah.

[4:33:35] But what would that be?

[4:33:37] It varies based on the location.

[4:33:39] It's not a constant height as the elevation, just the topography of the site changes, as you go farther north along interstate 280, that elevation gradually increases, so that it's not a simple answer, it varies throughout the site.

[4:33:55] So in some cases, it's around 12 feet or so, from the elevation at the site and around towards the south eastern side it decreases as the elevation of 280 going south also decreases.

[4:34:08] And do you feel that there's any difference in the sound mitigation that you will achieve with the redwood chip lap version of the fence versus the more manufactured sound wall concept?

[4:34:30] In this case, no, the trick is to get something solid, whether it's landscaping or a fence that does not have any gaps or, you know, openings that you can see daylight through, such as a ship lap style fence.

[4:34:46] The material, you know, Catherine's uses concrete that's really overkill. You can do the same thing in this case with something like a regular style of fence that does not have any gaps or openings.

[4:34:56] Does the fence require a dump?

[4:35:00] A two-sided fence, I've done a sound roll before, and I used staggered studs and two walls to decouple the sound from transmitting from the outside to the inside wall. Are you recommending anything like that?

[4:35:19] how could you minimize the sound?

[4:35:22] No, the level of gains that we're talking about

[4:35:24] are about seven decibels or so.

[4:35:28] If you're building a massive fence or wall sound barrier

[4:35:32] and there's 20 feet tall, the losses through that

[4:35:36] would have to be as much,

[4:35:39] if not more than the sound going over it.

[4:35:42] In this case, the losses that we're getting

[4:35:44] are not, you know, we're not getting a 20 decibel loss,

[4:35:47] we're not getting that.

[4:35:48] So because we only really need to break the line of sight,

[4:35:51] the increase the man's of the sound traveling through the fence

[4:35:54] are not as great.

[4:35:57] And what is your view of how much trees and foliage impact

[4:36:05] sound blocking sound?

[4:36:08] I think I know that.

[4:36:09] Yeah.

[4:36:10] In this case, it doesn't really help us to digress quickly

[4:36:15] And in order for vegetation to really block sound, it needs to be extremely dense over a pretty thick distance.

[4:36:23] So if we had dense jungle forest for 100 feet thick, that would be something that would block sound.

[4:36:29] If we've got, you know, at some point the fences within 40 feet of the nearest lane of traffic, we don't have enough space there to have the vegetation dense enough or massive enough to really intercept the sound from passing through it.

[4:36:42] You commented that there's about 40 feet from the what would that be like the truck tire to the person's ear laying well at the north or the north side of the site I see the image here.

[4:36:59] Yes.

[4:37:00] Okay.

[4:37:01] Yeah.

[4:37:02] So it doesn't show that the freeway surface.

[4:37:05] I'm curious about a nest a bit of how far away is the tuck tie or from the person's ear,

[4:37:12] laying in the 80s. Yeah, can I share my screen? Yeah,

[4:37:19] should I stop sharing? So

[4:37:21] okay. Let's see if, okay, share screen, here we go.

[4:37:30] Okay, here we go. So right now this is

[4:37:33] in the state 280. This is kind of the edge of the road here. At this point,

[4:37:39] the part in the yard that we're talking about, it's about 100 feet. If we go over and move this

[4:37:44] over to this north end of the site, if you can see where the fence is here, I mean, we're approximately

[4:37:50] 40 feet here, as you get closer to the first. Okay, I mean, the 80 year, that's the small, the

[4:37:59] any unit, the corner of the many unit, about 40 feet to the free 40 feet.

[4:38:06] For the freeway, it's about 90 feet there, a little less than 90 feet.

[4:38:10] Okay.

[4:38:11] All right.

[4:38:11] Thank you.

[4:38:12] I apologize.

[4:38:13] This is a very intriguing subject for me and I have a lot of questions.

[4:38:17] Thank you very much.

[4:38:20] Anybody else?

[4:38:23] Okay.

[4:38:25] Yes.

[4:38:26] Yes.

[4:38:26] confused about the timing of everything according to the staff report, there was an acoustical survey

[4:38:35] in 2015 and apparently you didn't go in for approval of a design until after that. So I wonder why

[4:38:52] you didn't take into account the results of the acoustical survey that was done in 2015 in designing

[4:39:02] the location, the orientation, and the materials in the house. Can you comment on that?

[4:39:10] Well, I think at the time, we knew we were next to a freeway. So we got the report.

[4:39:18] And I think some of the mitigating measures that they talked about was us using stock out, which we did.

[4:39:26] Us using triple paying windows, which we did not do.

[4:39:33] Parts rotating the property on the site.

[4:39:37] I mean, again, where we placed the property was pretty much the best place we could place it other than down in the lower half,

[4:39:46] which would actually bring us closer to the freeway.

[4:39:50] So, I mean, then you're talking about budgetary measures too.

[4:39:53] We thought that, you know, it wouldn't be so bad.

[4:39:58] And we know that the elephant was...

[4:40:00] In the room there. But the design of the home, you know, with all the the doors and the windows that totally open the house up, it was, you know, it's just the design of the house as well. And we thought it wouldn't be so bad. But once we got in here, there we go.

[4:40:19] And I'll just put time in here to, you know, wherever you go on the side, the noise exposure is what it is, you're not getting away from it. Again, until you put something physical between the interstate and the yard or the house, if you put the house closer to the interstate, you increase the architectural demands of the house.

[4:40:36] So there's, you know, there can be tradeoffs, but you're never really solving the issue. The noise exposure is going to be there.

[4:40:42] But my point is that you have an acoustic, acoustic survey in 2015 that said that the DB level

[4:40:52] is around 67, and it still says that, and so I don't see why you seem to be surprised

[4:41:03] that the noise level is inside there as it actually is.

[4:41:08] So that's a little bit of confusion to me.

[4:41:13] The other thing is that the supplement number one to the package that got distributed has a lot of comments from environmental design and protection committee about things that could have been done in the design of the house that were not done.

[4:41:34] So, I try and those a little bit revealing this well, I mean, I understand that that's like revision of statements to me at this point. I mean, the house is here. The impact is there. At this point, we're trying to mitigate it. We can't we can't go back.

[4:41:51] And the solution to mitigating the sound back then would be the same as mitigating the sound now.

[4:41:59] So there's no difference in design of the house or adding a fence.

[4:42:06] So it's either we could have done it back then or we're doing it now.

[4:42:11] If we budget was there we could have just built this wall and then in front of you guys and asking

[4:42:16] we do it then. So, and then we wouldn't be here now.

[4:42:22] Were there any conditions for approval for construction in 2016,

[4:42:30] relating to sound?

[4:42:34] No, not that I can recall. Thank you.

[4:42:42] I have a question of the 56-wall of feet, Salty Eastern Fence. What is the purpose of that

[4:42:51] Is it the Nanny Unix wall effective sound barrier?

[4:42:57] Why do you need yet another effects?

[4:43:00] Because the view from the master bedroom

[4:43:05] on the other side of the pool has a view of the freeway.

[4:43:10] And it will not only provide sound mitigation to the backyard,

[4:43:15] but additional sound mitigation to the Nanny House.

[4:43:17] Keep in mind that Nanny House bedroom is roughly 70 to 90 feet from the freeway, a four-lane freeway.

[4:43:27] So that initial wall is going to add additional sound protection to the residents in that unit.

[4:43:32] But more important, it also is going to block sound that's going to transfer into the backyard.

[4:43:39] Because you can see the gap between the freeway and where the corner that an any house is,

[4:43:47] the wall would block that view thus mitigating the sound as well.

[4:43:54] That is like almost as cupping effect is keeping the sound out the rear of the yard.

[4:43:58] And keep in mind that interstate 280 goes on south infinity.

[4:44:04] So, that sound source is there as you look out, going south. It doesn't go away. So, at some point,

[4:44:13] you want that wall to either continue parallel to the interstate or turn towards Parisma.

[4:44:19] And, you know, it's all a matter of how long you want that to be. If you want to continue out to infinity out to the corner of Parisma in Robita,

[4:44:25] or if you want to turn that and kind of enclose the art a little bit more.

[4:44:37] Anybody have any other questions?

[4:44:40] Okay, do you get it?

[4:44:42] Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm confused.

[4:44:45] You know, I feel like we had one game plan here

[4:44:49] being presented to us, and now everything

[4:44:52] is turned top C-turvy, and there's a different game plan.

[4:44:57] Let me start with trying to figure out what it is.

[4:45:00] We're talking about now that we're talking about a eight-foot fence, not a 12-foot sound wall.

[4:45:08] The existing, let's start at the very north east corner where it says five feet and red down there

[4:45:15] and goes to 140 feet to the right to the eight-foot mark. There, right there is a four-foot burn existing with lots of

[4:45:25] vegetation, which could use the irrigation because it's, you know, dry, but it's still there and existing.

[4:45:33] So,

[4:45:36] and I think the four foot burn ends around where that eight foot mark is.

[4:45:43] And now now they're talking by adding a falling that red lines of, okay, so you got the four foot

[4:45:49] going that 140 feet and on a put an 8 foot fence on top of that or you'll leave the vegetation there

[4:45:57] because you can't have both either vegetation or an 8 foot fence. Well we're going to have to move the

[4:46:02] vegetation to put the fence post in like this like Ryan said that vegetation does little to mitigate

[4:46:14] down. The fence will, so the whole purpose of this variance on top of the berm is so that I can

[4:46:25] utilize the effect of the earth and berm for sound mitigation by placing a fence on top of that

[4:46:31] earth and berm. And from the point where that eight foot mark is, I plan, we will add an additional

[4:46:39] three feet of earth and berm on that in an effort to minimize the height of the fence.

[4:46:49] From the eight foot to the 12th of the mark, that part of that little number line there,

[4:46:54] are you going from a four foot berm then to a seven foot berm, is that correct?

[4:46:59] Well, we can't add a berm on top of a berm. So we're going to add a three foot berm on the existing

[4:47:06] grade from that eighth of mark to the 12th of mark and then from the 12th of mark you're adding

[4:47:13] yet another three-foot berm up of the already existing like eight-foot berm elevation that's already

[4:47:20] going on. That's all a grade. So that'll be another berm. We already discussed this with the

[4:47:26] civil engineer and he said we can stick another three-foot berm on top of that. But that parallel line

[4:47:34] the southeast fence will have a three-foot berm that's what we're proposing in an effort to mitigate the height of the fence.

[4:47:45] So the fence will only be about eight and a half feet as opposed to 12, which is what the original does.

[4:47:53] I'm just trying to help out you guys in an effort to solve my sound issue and to deal with the concerns of the environmental committee.

[4:48:03] So, and I think in the beginning, we talked about the wall, and we thought you guys might have just had heartburn with the wall and how that thing looked.

[4:48:13] So, we just changed it to where it would fence, to have some different materials on site.

[4:48:21] I'm just trying to get a lay of the land of what we're talking about now, because it's like everything has changed and it's now, it has changed.

[4:48:30] So from the very left side of this number line on the call it where it says five, is that that's a fourth of firms starting off there and you're proposing now a red was ship lap sense of eight feet from that particular point going all the way the whole length.

[4:48:48] But the burn is changed from four feet and then drops down to three feet berm and they continue to another three feet berm on that other little angle.

[4:48:56] Is that the way to interpret that?

[4:48:58] Right. So the five foot mark on the side plan. That's a height of the fence.

[4:49:04] Okay, so the fence will go from five feet to eight feet as we go south.

[4:49:09] Okay.

[4:49:10] And that'll be a level, a level line all the way across.

[4:49:13] That eight foot mark on top of that four foot berm will stay level,

[4:49:17] which will be about even with the top of the, the, the nanny house, the guests.

[4:49:23] All the way across to the corner.

[4:49:25] And it will sit on top of a three-foot burn and then we'll make the jog to the north.

[4:49:35] Okay, so from the A foot mark there in the middle of that number line,

[4:49:40] where you start transitioning to a three-foot burn, you're going to take insistent

[4:49:44] eight-foot fence until you hit the corner where you make the turn,

[4:49:48] and then from the corner that you make the turn along the nanny thing you're going to go

[4:49:51] Three foot firm with an eight foot fence.

[4:49:55] That's correct.

[4:49:56] That's correct.

[4:49:58] I just wish you would have.

[4:50:00] This, so I don't have to sit here and note tape everything on this plan, because yeah, I feel like this is kind of like, well, I did send Krista a revised plan three or four days ago. You just probably didn't it was, I know we've changed this the number of times, but every time I turn around. There's another issue with this.

[4:50:25] Even as the whole presentation here,

[4:50:27] we're still missing attachments three and four,

[4:50:31] which were unlikely had already a question for those reports.

[4:50:34] They're missing from the package.

[4:50:37] There's been a lot of things missing from this package.

[4:50:40] So that's a little bit kind of boggled by,

[4:50:44] yeah, the confusion here.

[4:50:47] That's our rule that it is confusing just with the topography,

[4:50:51] the elevation of the top of the fence

[4:50:54] needs to remain constant, but the ground is dropping away, so everything, everything you're

[4:50:58] just with that.

[4:50:59] Right.

[4:50:59] You want to get there.

[4:51:01] Any way that we could do a continuous on this, because I think there's not enough information

[4:51:07] for me to make a decision, and there's not clearly defined sort of plans that have been issued.

[4:51:15] And I would like just to table this and take it up at a later time and they've got their plans together that show everything that they're doing.

[4:51:29] I mean, it's getting on towards 11 p.m. and we've got another item to cover.

[4:51:36] So is there any way that we could just simply table this and postpone it?

[4:51:42] Let's do one thing. Let's see if there are any public comments and then we can close the hearing

[4:51:51] and then agree or figure out what the commission wants to do.

[4:52:00] Yeah, I would, if there are any members of the public, they've waited a long time. We should

[4:52:10] So, at this point, Cody, can you see if there's any members of the public who would like to speak?

[4:52:27] This is VJ, can you hear me?

[4:52:30] Yes, VJ.

[4:52:30] And so, this is DJ and I went a member of the Environmental Design Protection Committee.

[4:52:39] I've met Joe and have also spoken to Brian on the phone regarding this project.

[4:52:46] My understanding from speaking to Brian at the Sound Mall, fence and earthen bird.

[4:52:53] They all yield the same sound mitigation results.

[4:53:00] The second thing is, I understood from Ryan that the height should be closer to 14 to 15 feet to break the line of sight and I would like to get back clarified.

[4:53:14] And I'd also like to, actually it's a move point if this is not a sound wall because the general plan, the wording is that sound walls are prohibited on private property.

[4:53:28] But that would be a more delicious list on the changes.

[4:53:34] Thank you.

[4:53:50] You did.

[4:53:53] I'm talking I am on the environment of design and protecting committee.

[4:53:58] But I was also a member of the 2000 to seven to 2008 general plan revision.

[4:54:07] And I would like to state that in a one of the documents,

[4:54:12] It was said that they thought the committee really meant just to discourage sound walls.

[4:54:18] We meant to prohibit sound laws.

[4:54:22] But highway 280, which, um,

[4:54:26] Yitzi said was a senior highway.

[4:54:30] And to maintain the senior highway, we prohibited sound balls along to 80.

[4:54:37] Now, going back to 1995, there was a land,

[4:54:47] the Hong, that lived two doors up the way,

[4:54:51] built a house.

[4:54:52] And when they built the house, conditions of their approval was the noise level outside

[4:54:58] had to meet a certain amount.

[4:55:01] When they built the house, there was a, we told them that they weren't building it to take into consideration the sound of the freeway at the time. After they built the house and downed out that the sound of the freeway was more than they liked, they came in for a soundball, and it was denied.

[4:55:26] we have denied and have not had any sound balls built, I think, along to 80, and this would

[4:55:35] anything like this would open it all up. And the fence that is being proposed is going to

[4:55:42] throw the sound over their property into somebody else's property. So I don't think they're

[4:55:51] getting anything, what we were told with the other proposed soundball that the reason

[4:55:59] it went through it over is because there were wires in that that absorbed the sound

[4:56:05] that threw it back to the pre-way.

[4:56:07] So one of the things was there was a second sense along the driveway that we asked to have

[4:56:14] removed in landscape screening because it was going to throw the sound from the property

[4:56:20] over to their neighbors. So I think having this profound and better understanding of what they are now

[4:56:31] proposing is a very good idea.

[4:56:36] I have a question for you, Carol. Do your objections stand

[4:56:43] If they make a sense, it's a sound welcome.

[4:56:48] Well, for instance, yes, it's a scenic from both that we suggested in the beginning when we went into landscaping to the manager.

[4:56:59] We said plant, rose of redwood trees all along your border, and she got a sound problem.

[4:57:08] Bermak and Plant Rover trees. They didn't listen to us at all. And six roads of

[4:57:16] regular trees, pan-medigate sounds. And I feel that we don't want to have 12 feet walls

[4:57:27] along 280. And this is going to open, you know, it's a can of worms. It's going to open

[4:57:33] it. And the general plan does prevent sound balls. And they're using the spents as a sound

[4:57:41] wall.

[4:57:42] Carol, you've read the general plan, I'm sure. And it does say something about sound walls

[4:57:50] are prohibited on private property adjacent to interstate 280. Primarily, because they block

[4:57:56] views of surrounding countryside and tend to bounce sound to other locations. But policy

[4:58:01] 2.4 says the construction of sound walls on private property adjacent to

[4:58:07] industry too in the in the right of way shall we discourage. Do you find out?

[4:58:12] Yes, yes, there is an end or there but if you go back into the 2006 team

[4:58:19] scenic element, they are again talking about Brigida Hazel. Brigida, do you want to step in and

[4:58:26] Yeah, I was going to do a presentation, but I was going to wait for the correct turn here.

[4:58:34] I'm sorry.

[4:58:35] I was really only asking Carol if she saw a hearing.

[4:58:40] No, there is an and or, but when I was on the committee, we were discouraging.

[4:58:46] We wanted no cell involved, and then the teenage element that was re-done circulation and

[4:58:53] seeing elements that was done in 2015, which I don't have before me reads that there

[4:59:01] should be no cell walls, I think, on top of on private properties.

[4:59:06] And we discourage, we discourage health trends from building them also.

[4:59:11] Thank you, Carol.

[4:59:18] Rajivya Amir.

[4:59:20] Any other members of public?

[4:59:29] So at this point,

[4:59:32] we generally have the applicant provide any comments they want based on what they heard from the public.

[4:59:41] So let's give them a chance and then we can close the public hearing.

[4:59:47] Yeah, I like to make a comment on a few of Carol's comments.

[4:59:52] Some of her comments are not factual at all.

[4:59:55] And I like Ryan to pipe pants and seize the acoustical engineer expert.

[5:00:00] On her comments regarding vegetation and a wooden fence bouncing sound off of a four lane federal highway, eight lanes across to impact the neighbors.

[5:00:15] Ryan, could you speak up on this one, please? Yeah, absolutely. So I think I'm trying to speak to Carol. I think she raised about four points.

[5:00:22] The first one was that the Xannuals are discouraged, again, it doesn't decrease the sound exposure.

[5:00:29] And again, we're at the point where CalTrans could decide that a sound wall would be warranted based on the sound exposure of the site.

[5:00:37] Secondly, speaking to the views, what we're proposing is literally blocking the line of site from vehicles on the interstate to the yard.

[5:00:48] So, by definition, we're not blocking views beyond that.

[5:00:53] So, as the interstate is clearly higher than the house and the yard,

[5:00:58] we're only blocking the view from the interstate to the yard and not beyond that.

[5:01:03] So, the view that is being obstructed is literally from cars on the freeway to the yard and back.

[5:01:10] It's not, you know, on the horizon.

[5:01:12] And again, if you're familiar with the area, there are numerous trees and vegetation.

[5:01:16] And if you do a Google Street view along the freeway,

[5:01:19] you can see that there's fairly dense trees,

[5:01:23] blocking views, and through the street,

[5:01:26] you can kind of poke and see the house poking through.

[5:01:29] But then again, speaking to the vegetation point,

[5:01:32] trees can provide sound attenuation through them,

[5:01:36] but only if they are excessively dense

[5:01:38] over a very long or thick length.

[5:01:42] So if you have a dense jungle for something

[5:01:44] like a hundred feet, that could prohibit sound

[5:01:47] from passing through it.

[5:01:49] It would diminish as it goes through that dense forest

[5:01:51] over that distance.

[5:01:53] If we only have 40, 50 feet of sparsely vegetated area

[5:01:59] and through a valley with the topography that we have,

[5:02:03] the vegetation does not do enough to really have

[5:02:05] any effect on sound diminishing over distance

[5:02:10] with the vegetation.

[5:02:11] And I believe there's one more point about the reflections

[5:02:13] just quickly with the topography of this site,

[5:02:17] the freeway is above the house and the yard.

[5:02:20] So if there was a fence along the edge of the yard,

[5:02:26] the sound from the freeway would go down to the fence

[5:02:29] and then continue to go down back into the hill of the interstate.

[5:02:36] So in there are cases where sound can be reflected off of wall

[5:02:40] but the topography is exactly opposite of the conditions

[5:02:42] that we have here, not that it can't happen, but just in this scenario with its apography that exists.

[5:02:49] If you were to put a soundometer on the other side of the freeway on the south side of south west side of 280,

[5:02:56] and you do the plans as we propose that the elevation that we're proposing, there would be no change in sound level on the other side of the freeway before and after the construction.

[5:03:07] So hopefully I've addressed all those points and again I'm available to answer more questions if you have more.

[5:03:13] Thank you. Okay, so at this point, I'm going to close the public hearing and bring it back to the planning commission.

[5:03:24] Brigida?

[5:03:26] If I may, I'd like to do a little presentation.

[5:03:28] I spend a lot of hours working on this issue.

[5:03:31] This was actually a great way to get to know the general plan and our policies.

[5:03:37] And first let's close the public hearing and then we can discuss anything okay. So first officially I would close the public hearing and bring it back to the economic commission. Now before we either I know that you've waited a long time to present.

[5:04:00] I would like to consider what Ed brought up earlier that it is later this discussion could go on for a long time.

[5:04:13] Do we want and do we have enough information to continue it now or should we take it up later?

[5:04:22] What are the thoughts on that topic for?

[5:04:26] can I chime in for that topic? The problem is I love to talk to all of you and if I can't

[5:04:34] talk to you tonight, I can't talk to you until the next meeting. That's one issue I have,

[5:04:40] but I promise to keep it short since things have changed. As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to

[5:04:45] continue it just like Ed mentioned because I don't know what I'm working with anymore.

[5:04:52] If I could chime in here, I would strongly recommend the Brigitte Derser thing, I'd be in the same position as there in the...

[5:05:00] We're dying to unload a lot of information, which could be serious against people's minds. And if we go away and we return a month from now,

[5:05:15] that will be one more variable, which we can get rid of now. We're going to have enough variables.

[5:05:21] I suspect we're going to continue this, and I'll come back with proper plans, which show the combination of burn and fence, rather than war.

[5:05:35] But I want to reduce the number of moving parts.

[5:05:39] Okay. So let's do, yeah, Jim, I see some value in letting the residents get on with things.

[5:05:48] if we have enough information to make some decisions, and I agree that there's some confusion.

[5:05:57] I've spent quite a bit of time trying to study what these new things are, and before we decide

[5:06:04] to push it, I would like to have a brief opportunity to try to convey. I felt like there was some

[5:06:17] that it's not as, it's a lot simpler I think to understand. So I'd like to just make one attempt

[5:06:28] at describing it, confirm if that's okay, and then have the committee decide whether that's

[5:06:33] enough information to go on or not.

[5:06:36] Well, okay. I'll do a big eater. Yeah, so let's start with Big eater, and Brigida, try to make it as

[5:06:45] I will try to work many hours on this, basically because it was a great chance for me to

[5:06:52] understand the general plan and how stuff like this works, that I will try to keep it

[5:06:57] brief.

[5:06:57] If I'm going to share my screen, okay?

[5:07:14] Okay.

[5:07:15] Mainly, I look at the general plan that's being our constitution.

[5:07:19] I feel like we think somewhat in question how all this works.

[5:07:23] I feel like the general plan is our North Star.

[5:07:26] it helps us preserve our nature and the beauty of the town. And everything is derived from that, the

[5:07:31] elements that you see in the notebooks of the general plan, then the goals, policies, and programs.

[5:07:38] Each layer is helping to define the next, but supporting the original general plan, it doesn't deviate,

[5:07:43] it doesn't contradict. So this is important to when you see the next slide, that's what I mentioned this.

[5:07:51] So, anyway, looking at our general plan on noise elements, and it's topic 723, it basically

[5:07:59] states that sound walls on private property is clearly prohibited.

[5:08:03] And what's interesting, it goes on to explain about sound walls within CalTrans right away

[5:08:09] property.

[5:08:10] So, the policy 2.4, which is referenced in the reports, is basically an interesting equation

[5:08:17] and me being the mathematician, I look at this as a two conditions must be met, being adjacent

[5:08:23] to 280, and we're talking about cow's trans property to discourage sound walls. So as far

[5:08:30] as I'm concerned, sound walls on any kind of private property along any noisy corridor is prohibited.

[5:08:37] And that's one thing to remember. And then also in program 2.5, which comes from policy 2.4,

[5:08:43] Here again, it just reiterates that the town sound, well, we'll pause the two applies,

[5:08:50] two couchers as far as yet again, discouraging it, but also looking for, for example,

[5:08:55] I'll turn this such as landscape burns, which they're kind of talking about.

[5:09:00] The landscape burns means landscape sitting on a burn, not a fence sitting on a burn.

[5:09:05] So that's what I had derived after looking at these general plans.

[5:09:09] What's interesting, too, is that in the circulation element, which was just updated in

[5:09:15] 2015, it yet goes again, and describes all this, I just found that today, here again,

[5:09:24] construction of sound walls is generally prohibitive along the industry 280 quarter, but

[5:09:29] maybe considered in conjunction with future noise, they've already re-studied this back in 2015,

[5:09:34] and the continued to discourage Soundwalls even on CalTrans Property.

[5:09:40] And here again, it's you was saying we have our scenic highway of 280.

[5:09:44] And we don't have, the Soundwalls are really down the Cupertino,

[5:09:48] and kind of end before Magdalena, that is on Los Altesis property,

[5:09:51] not Los Altesis Hills.

[5:09:53] And I took a little drive and I curiously took pictures of our whole corridor,

[5:09:58] and there are many, many houses.

[5:10:00] Long to 80, many houses that back up the photo, we've got a raster there. We have page mail. They're all considered noise areas.

[5:10:11] Anyway, my mangle was I just want to maintain the general plan, continue to prohibit sound walls and keep the scenic in the scenic highway corridor.

[5:10:20] And that was a man just of it.

[5:10:22] And I, my suggestion for this property was basically a four foot burn with a couple rows of

[5:10:27] redwoods.

[5:10:28] But with everything changing, I feel like this needs to be continued.

[5:10:31] And that's the quick and dirty version of my presentation.

[5:10:35] But I thought very, very strong about the general plan and the way the policies and the programs

[5:10:40] all play together and they don't deviate, they don't plan it.

[5:10:44] And that was my most important thing that I wanted to get across tonight.

[5:10:47] Thank you so much.

[5:10:50] Thanks, Brigida.

[5:10:51] Now, maybe we give Jim his few minutes to make a case.

[5:10:58] First, let me ask you to see our historian.

[5:11:03] Is there private property that is in the Cal Trans right away?

[5:11:12] Cal Trans, you mean?

[5:11:13] trance right away. I don't know what the, whether right away is. I mean, I, I would, I would presume

[5:11:23] that L trance right away is distinct from private property. Oh, absolutely. Which, which means

[5:11:31] that the end in the sentence that you were describing doesn't make sense because you can't have the,

[5:11:39] You can't have private property and

[5:11:43] CalTrans right of way, so I still feel like we are able to

[5:11:52] approve

[5:11:54] Something

[5:11:56] Because the policy says it should be discouraged

[5:12:00] It doesn't and there aren't there is a regulation that says

[5:12:05] You shall not do this and

[5:12:07] Lastly, lastly, let me just say, lastly, I'm not sure that those things would apply to a fence.

[5:12:16] I mean, to be a soundwall is that bit cement thing on the freeway, and nobody's talking about it.

[5:12:23] But big cement thing.

[5:12:25] But if I, if I, if I may, and I'm going to ask Zach now, we have the case in town where we've just, you know, increased the town's right of way over a road.

[5:12:37] So the

[5:12:42] property under that right away may still be in private ownership, even though the town has a right of way.

[5:12:50] So to cast that back on the question that Jim did us, can 280 have a right of way that overlaps private property?

[5:13:03] Probably not, because there are remitt strips, and they might be referring to those pieces

[5:13:09] where the calculated count trends or the state of California acquired the property,

[5:13:14] you have nothing to do then. As you'll notice, there's various remitt strips along there,

[5:13:19] so maybe there's some of that, but in count trends case, they own the property outright as

[5:13:25] right of one. And that wouldn't be called a private property.

[5:13:29] Now, it's CalTrans right away. They own it. Also, just so you know, Carol got left. She was on the original committee who wrote up the general plan back in the 2007 timeframe and so she knows the intent. So you start off at the town general plan go to the elements element number 723 is a prohibits the sound walls on private property.

[5:13:56] to say further down in all of this through the policies and also in that actual 723 that I showed

[5:14:04] you that we discourage because we have no control of cow-trans property. We discourage sound

[5:14:11] walls on cow-trans property going through the 280 of loss out to the hills. And so we don't

[5:14:18] have cow-trans sound walls going through. And one other thing to be brought up to attention which

[5:14:23] goes back to the clients here, or the applicants is that it was just revealed that

[5:14:30] Cal Trust is finally getting to the repayment projects, and they are repaying

[5:14:35] parts of 280 up to around Magdalena to help with the noise attenuation and stopping that.

[5:14:42] So it's where the rubber hits the road, has nothing to do with the engines.

[5:14:46] Is the rubber hits the road? So yeah, I mean, I have more slides on that, but I want to keep

[5:14:50] short since they all want to seem to get out of here, but I really don't talk to you guys. That's

[5:14:56] the thing. I can't talk otherwise. Thank you.

[5:15:00] I was hoping this just fate spent one moment with the diagram that showed the red sharpelines

[5:15:08] if something can put that up. Oh, you mean for me? Oh, we do not have the one.

[5:15:12] You ever can go that so that I can just try to simplify the question of what is it?

[5:15:21] And then we can ask ourselves, do we have enough information or should we continue this?

[5:15:28] So, in my discussions with the owner here, this first, I'm going to call it three sections.

[5:15:37] One is the 140, one is the 70, and the other is the 56. Does that make sense?

[5:15:46] Okay, the 140 is built on top of an existing four foot firm.

[5:15:51] And yes, it has mature vegetation on it and some of that's going to go because on top of that, he wants to build a redwood fence that starts at 5 feet tall on the left and goes to 8 feet tall on the right.

[5:16:08] That's what he's talking about for the 140-foot section.

[5:16:12] And then for the section between, that's called the 70-foot section,

[5:16:18] he wants to put a new 3-foot berm on existing grave

[5:16:24] and put an 8-foot fence on top of that.

[5:16:28] Redwood fence, this is on existing grave.

[5:16:32] I presume that the three foot burn doesn't take a variance, but Zack's going to have to

[5:16:38] help me with that. Then the last spot, the 56 foot, is exactly the same thing. It's that same

[5:16:47] three-foot burn on an existing grade, but it goes north here and goes to the end of the ADU.

[5:16:54] And there's an exact same eight-foot Redwood fence on top of that.

[5:17:01] So, my question to my fellow commissioners is,

[5:17:07] is that enough of a description I recognize that this is an IPL?

[5:17:12] So, my view is that is enough of a description and we've got that from the applicant.

[5:17:19] But there is a lot more other discussions we need to have

[5:17:23] Because, anyway, even that proposal is a variance.

[5:17:29] So, I think we don't have adequate time right now.

[5:17:33] So, the best approach I would suggest is to continue this.

[5:17:40] And I don't know if...

[5:17:42] Three.

[5:17:43] I feel the same way.

[5:17:46] I feel we should continue this because things have changed.

[5:17:49] And also, now we're dealing with a new terminology of fence versus sound wall and also it's in a variance, I don't want to give something without knowing what implications are because this will have a ripple effect along every house that's on to 80, you know, everybody's going to want to do the same thing and there goes a scenic to 80 highway.

[5:18:10] If I may chime in, I've heard a lot of discussion here about certain points, but what I was prepared to say hasn't even been brought up yet.

[5:18:25] And so, and there's no time, I don't feel like doing it right now either.

[5:18:29] I don't see, I concur with the regime, there's more discussion to be had and more thinking.

[5:18:41] The ground has shifted tonight quite a bit.

[5:18:45] And if you ask me, which do you prefer?

[5:18:48] A plastic PVC wall, white, 12 feet.

[5:18:54] Exchange that for three feet of dirt with planting on it and a five foot or eight foot redwood fence.

[5:19:06] I'll take the second, but I might not take the whole day and take it all, but at least the redwood fence on top of a berm to me is preferable.

[5:19:16] than a 10 foot or 12 foot white PVC fence, but there's a whole bunch of other discussion that I want to have, but I'm going to be thinking about this in the interim.

[5:19:30] So yeah, I would be very much in favor of continuing it.

[5:19:35] So the house is built.

[5:19:37] So do you want to make a motion call?

[5:19:41] I'd like to table this or continue this agenda item until on next meeting.

[5:19:52] Is there any do you want to provide direction to the applicant or are you just relying on the discussion that was provided for them to

[5:20:02] Now, I think the applicant knows as much as I do and what's possible, knows a lot more. I think it's a hell of an improvement that came with tonight. I wish I had to know about it before.

[5:20:19] And maybe in another month you'll have something even further. I don't know. But at least we can discuss it more for you then.

[5:20:29] I'd like to add that the, I think the applicant could be a better job at drawing up the

[5:20:36] plan so that we don't have to be wondering what's going on.

[5:20:41] But that I think the primary issue here really is time in the day relative to how much discussion

[5:20:49] we need to have about some of these other issues about precedence and general plans, which don't

[5:20:57] have that much to do with the applicant's description of his project. It's it's it's important,

[5:21:05] but I'm trying to give the applicant kind of a limited thing that they need to respond with,

[5:21:14] just a description, a better description of their plan rather than to address all of these other

[5:21:20] planning commission related issues.

[5:21:24] Yes.

[5:21:27] Is that adequate, is that?

[5:21:29] Do we need a vote? I don't think so. Yes. No, we. Yes. You do want to vote to

[5:21:35] confess. Yes. We should vote.

[5:21:39] We have a mover on the second. Yeah. The voting to

[5:21:43] continue the commissioner Smith. Yes.

[5:21:50] Commissioner Indico. Yes. Commissioner

[5:21:54] What's your, uh, we don't always have to agree. I'm, and I'm going to vote.

[5:22:03] No. Commissioner Capareth. Yes.

[5:22:08] Chair Patel. Yes.

[5:22:12] The motion to continue this passes for the one. The, and hopefully, you know, we know what is required. So we should be able to take it up

[5:22:25] At the next planning commission meeting, Zach, do you think that's going to be a challenge?

[5:22:32] No, there shouldn't.

[5:22:33] I mean, really, it's more on the applicant's part to be able to provide us with materials, but we wouldn't see any.

[5:22:39] So we would consider this continue to a date certain if you just want to clear up for what's the action.

[5:22:45] And yeah, so we'll be holding an agenda spot and then it'll just be working with the applicant to provide that clarification in the interim.

[5:22:52] Thank you.

[5:22:53] Thank you.

[5:22:54] All right, let's move on. Hopefully the next item should be fast or would you want to

[5:23:04] defer it? What does the commission feel like? I have a feeling that because they're asking

[5:23:14] commission for something they've already done, we should be able to have that pretty quick.

[5:23:21] Let's go fast and go over it. Item 5.4, 270 perisimal road, town of Los Alcozils,

[5:23:31] site development format for a new 1,000-12-50 square foot tractor port and a variance to

[5:23:39] allow tractor port structure to be located in the existing parking area which encroaches

[5:23:45] into the 30 for viewers and back adjacent to interstate 280 up to 18 feet.

[5:23:54] All right. Thank you chair and commissioners. I will be very brief.

[5:23:59] It's pretty straightforward looking at them. We've got our the town's courtyard here next to

[5:24:04] Paris and the park. Here's a closer view. You can see the existing parking that exists along

[5:24:10] that back then under the Jason to 280 and the existing two story,

[5:24:15] fourth yard building with garages both facing toward prismah and facing kind of perpendicular

[5:24:19] on the side there. Here are some photos of this existing structure. This was a capital project

[5:24:26] that was approved to be completed in fiscal's year 1920. And it was originally intended to be placed

[5:24:33] in a way that would meet all of the required setbacks. However, especially if you look in that

[5:24:38] or left corner, you can see that there is a need for this to be perpendicular to the building

[5:24:44] and obviously the poles need to align to avoid obstructing those garage doors. So as you

[5:24:51] can see, when the specific placement was to occur, it was at that point realized that we

[5:24:58] would not be able to get it fully.

[5:25:00] Particularly within compliance of the 30 foot rear yard setback. And so thus the need for the variance. As you can see, the majority of this, the port meets the 30 foot setback, but because of the angle of the property line and the wave of the existing building sits.

[5:25:15] We could not place this structure without making it asymmetrical to the corp guard if we were going to avoid that corner encroachment.

[5:25:26] There are four variants findings to be made based on the findings provided.

[5:25:31] It does appear that we can provide justification and findings to meet all four of those required findings.

[5:25:38] And I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you very much.

[5:25:44] Any questions?

[5:25:49] Good. I have one question.

[5:25:53] Just so what fiscal year was it for 2019 or 2020?

[5:26:00] 1920.

[5:26:02] But the one that ended on July 1st.

[5:26:09] Okay.

[5:26:10] It's not calendar year.

[5:26:12] you guys fiscal year. So it ended the fall first.

[5:26:16] No, so 2019 to 2020 and just 1920. I'm thinking the

[5:26:21] prohibition years.

[5:26:26] I'm on the same

[5:26:27] case, everybody. All right. Okay, anyone else? Great. So do we have any

[5:26:37] members of the public who want to speak?

[5:26:39] Cody?

[5:26:42] I know everybody's sleeping.

[5:26:51] Okay,

[5:27:00] I know you're muted. I just wonder how this

[5:27:03] affects the path of

[5:27:44] any side or was pushed aside or something would it go into one of the

[5:27:49] standards? I just wonder whether a fence should be put there for the safety. There is an existing

[5:27:57] fence that is six feet tall that runs between the path and the nearest corner of the of the

[5:28:02] record. So there's an all along it. It does for the full length. If you're on the pathway,

[5:28:08] you would not be able to get into the courtyard. You can't get into the courtyard. So if a horse

[5:28:14] because this is the path that's used heavily by a quest trend. So if anything happened and

[5:28:21] noise from the freeway or something came along and the horse sigh, it was shy into the fence and

[5:28:28] in to one of the standards. That is correct. Yeah, you would hit the fence before a standard because it is it is about I think one to two feet on the other side of the fence.

[5:28:39] Okay.

[5:28:41] Can I ask a question by?

[5:28:45] Could we just wait till the public other public comments are heard?

[5:28:48] Can

[5:28:52] anybody else?

[5:28:55] Cooling.

[5:29:08] You guys hear me?

[5:29:09] No.

[5:29:11] Okay.

[5:29:12] So I've been raising my hand the whole time on the previous, you know, the, you know, the,

[5:29:18] Prisma, the Joe Balbo fence.

[5:29:20] I had comments on and was never recognized throughout that whole thing.

[5:29:25] And I hit the button a half a dozen times.

[5:29:29] So I don't have any comments on this.

[5:29:30] I just wanted to see if I was ever going to be recognized throughout this

[5:29:37] I've got a six foot redwood fence and I've got redwood trees 60 foot tall in my backyard and I can hear my neighbors talking so so I can vouch that redwood trees and the fence that has gaps in it

[5:30:00] Do not work.

[5:30:07] So, you know, this is my comments. We're on the previous thing, but I just got recognize that, but I've been hitting the thing all night. So I don't know. I guess, I got continued. So I guess I'll just wait for the next meeting and then speak up, hopefully I'll get recognized.

[5:30:27] Thank you, Gary, and I think we will make sure that you get recognized next time.

[5:30:43] Okay, last, any questions for that?

[5:30:54] If not, I'll close the public hearing and let's discuss this.

[5:31:01] any one wants to start or

[5:31:08] but I had one concern and I'm glad Zack is there. If I can

[5:31:14] just share a picture because I was out that I walked the whole back area yesterday. Let me

[5:31:20] just

[5:31:35] because I have been involved with the Horses Association there with the riding ring.

[5:31:41] So the riding ring is only a little ways up and so is the question center which is part of

[5:31:48] This is a solid I beam steel beam and is sitting right next to the fence right there and I'd

[5:31:57] like to see some protection so in case or horse with a rider or to hit up upon that that's

[5:32:03] the only concern that I have is that it is a solid structure and it's right on the fence line

[5:32:11] there.

[5:32:13] So, mine is a safety concern and I'll leave it at that.

[5:32:24] if I can break in it, but how would you mitigate that?

[5:32:29] Patting, I don't know, to some patting there, so a case of a horse or the rider, because it gets narrowed

[5:32:34] because you got a little bit that wooden bridge thing right there,

[5:33:24] and there's some sort of rubber backing.

[5:33:26] Yeah, that beam is huge. That whole stretch will never have succumb to earthquake.

[5:33:32] Everything else around is a fall apart. That's going to be standard. That's substantial.

[5:33:42] I'm prepared to pass a motion or offer a motion if there's no other discussion.

[5:33:57] Rajiv, I don't hear you.

[5:34:00] Oh, I said go for it.

[5:34:03] This is your chance for a hacker.

[5:34:11] I move that the application for a variance be granted based on the findings in the attachment

[5:34:27] at one and that the staff be urged to provide padding on the very tall

[5:34:46] I mean that is a safety risk for a questions.

[5:34:56] I'll second that.

[5:35:01] Let's vote. Is it midnight yet?

[5:35:10] Ah, not nearly.

[5:35:16] Commissioner Smith. Yes.

[5:35:21] Commissioner Indico. Yes.

[5:35:25] Commissioner Washera. Yes.

[5:35:28] Commissioner Cooper. Yes.

[5:35:30] Chair Patel. Yes. The motion passes, congratulations. The project is approved, pending a 22 day appeal period.

[5:35:42] All right. I know we have reports from City Council if you want to make it really fast.

[5:35:55] We give you like a three-minute window to go fast. Just please, just go over the critical items which were discussed on

[5:36:07] June 18th. Oh, me, I'm sure my God. Oh, I know the code. It doesn't it May 21, past meeting. I thought that was it.

[5:36:19] I was a typo, and my apologies, we should not take that.

[5:36:25] Yeah, so the main 21 was already discussed last time, so I believe it's the June 18th,

[5:36:31] or the English commissioner in Daco should have attended.

[5:36:36] Yep, and I've got five pages of notes from that.

[5:36:44] So if the critical three items that would be worthwhile for your fellow commissioners.

[5:36:51] Well, Jim was sure I got appointed, yet secretaries got appointed, I got re-appointed

[5:36:57] to spend a commission.

[5:37:00] Yeah, oh god.

[5:37:03] This is really, well, one thing that was interesting, there was a couple of things off

[5:37:09] the ones that are not passed, they've been continued, and basic was

[5:37:23] okay. So anyway, there was a request

[5:37:27] by environmental initiatives committee to offer educational opportunities for count residents that was

[5:37:32] not passed, they need to present better details. Five F was basically about

[5:37:39] amending standing committee resolution to include council approval of associate membership. That was

[5:37:45] also not past that was postponed and that was kind of an interesting one of the whole discussion

[5:37:51] that associated members.

[5:37:56] The sewer tax, the sewer tax roll was passed, it selects the

[5:38:00] link with sewer charges,

[5:38:07] town budget was passed, annexation of Ravensbury Avenue Island, that

[5:38:16] was passed. That's a big one. Okay. Yeah, there was seven properties are all in septic and

[5:38:26] anyway, yeah, that was passed. Seven A map adjustment dealing with a downward stride, which we had,

[5:38:33] the 40 foot step back, but we had wanted to keep the light and air easement on there. Anyway,

[5:38:41] They basically abandoned that easement and they want to apply the same thought to the whole

[5:38:47] dawn ridge.

[5:38:48] That's not all we've been talking about.

[5:38:50] They had the crazy as 100 feet lightenary easements, the 70.

[5:38:54] Anyway, it was council member Oregon that was to basically apply the same thought down the

[5:39:00] whole street of dawn ridge.

[5:39:02] The base of it that does is that it allows people to put fences on the 40 foot setback

[5:39:07] which Commissioner Mandel was trying to keep open

[5:39:10] since it was a park like setting.

[5:39:12] So that was important because that reflects back

[5:39:14] to what we decided and talked about.

[5:39:18] Then there was a agreement with our city manager.

[5:39:24] That was extended a year.

[5:39:27] Then there was underground report by council member Tyson.

[5:39:31] And that's how it went.

[5:39:36] And then there was status reports about parking wreck.

[5:39:43] There was a report by Mayor Wu on the city's association about the aircraft noise and housing bills.

[5:39:53] There was also, this is the last one.

[5:39:55] This one happened a lot of 55 in the evening.

[5:39:58] post what we're doing here. It was-

[5:40:00] Those council members, spring, talked about committee issues. They have a survey going out to the committees and committee chairs. They're collecting data and they want to basically get clarity of communication. Just figure out the disconnect between staff and committees. They want the committee members to consider between Brown Act versus Volunteer. Getting new people involved. How to make them feel more welcome.

[5:40:27] How to preserve knowledge is thinking for somebody with so council member,

[5:40:33] screen and core again are looking into looking at how our volunteer communities

[5:40:39] are set up and structured.

[5:40:42] And they do want to talk with committee chairs and discuss all of this.

[5:40:46] So that was that.

[5:40:47] And then of course we had staff reports of city manager reported about fire audits

[5:40:55] that the fire accounting meeting,

[5:40:59] how a lot to open access to public with media,

[5:41:01] feel in it for lost out to some residents.

[5:41:03] That was one thing interesting.

[5:41:05] Also, Serena, our finance person in the city

[5:41:08] to update on the deposits.

[5:41:11] They say 421,000 dollars have been resolved.

[5:41:14] They are working on another $142,000 dollar fall a week

[5:41:18] and they are still working with $450,000 worth

[5:41:21] of the deposits to be resolved going forward.

[5:41:24] And then the last item of the night, which was approved was basically a $5,000, $1

[5:41:31] time donation to the nonprofit organization CSA, which Council Member Tyson was championing.

[5:41:39] And that's like the really quick and dirty version if you want more, you get a calming.

[5:41:43] All right.

[5:41:43] Thank you, Brigida.

[5:41:46] Thank you.

[5:41:47] Let's go over item 6.2.

[5:41:49] Anybody have any issues with the upcoming meeting assignments?

[5:41:53] I don't know if they were again a wrongly type, but July 16th would be commissioner Smith,

[5:42:02] August 20th myself, September 17th commissioner was Shura. Everybody okay with those?

[5:42:12] All right. So moving on to item number 7, that we all give us a brief update.

[5:42:21] Um, nothing specific to report all the items that went before site development fast track over the past month.

[5:42:28] Um, we're approved, some with minor conditions, nothing really eventful there, but I can prefer to elaborate on anyone has any questions.

[5:42:37] Okay.

[5:42:38] And then.

[5:42:40] I do have a question.

[5:42:41] Go ahead.

[5:42:42] I do want to make some comments here just to find out.

[5:42:46] I know it's like, but I think it's important to kind of know.

[5:42:48] is exceptions that are made on some of these properties.

[5:42:52] So we also learned from that knowledge base.

[5:42:54] I mean, I attempt all fast tracks,

[5:42:57] like it all, I mean, things that I know some of you don't.

[5:43:01] And I know on, I think it was,

[5:43:05] Natoma there was an exception there

[5:43:08] that happened both the fence and the columns.

[5:43:11] And I'll look back, Dylan, on that.

[5:43:14] Yeah, so we did quite an exception in the basis

[5:43:17] was that Natoma Road is not aligned on the center of the right away. It's actually kind of pushed

[5:43:22] to one side. So defense feels like it meets our standard offset requirement. If that road is in

[5:43:29] the center, but since it was off to one side of the right away, it functionally sat closer to the

[5:43:35] center line of the right away than it went on in almost circumstances. So that was the basic reason

[5:43:40] for why it was approved. But if you drive out Natoma and you look at that side once it's built,

[5:43:45] it will feel like a standard setback that we would apply.

[5:43:48] It just, um, the road doesn't lie in the middle of the right way.

[5:43:51] That, the, the paved area anyways.

[5:43:53] So that was the underlying reason for why that exception was written.

[5:43:57] And that was, is that 45 feet, it's been six-section of six-foot fence,

[5:44:04] and then the columns was 41 or something like that.

[5:44:07] Yes, it was, um, well, it was the gate.

[5:44:10] It was the gate versus where the fence was.

[5:44:13] The gate actually sat a little forward and there was also some topography there where they were trying to get a gate swing and the property slope, so there was more favorable topography moving it forward a few feet.

[5:44:28] And then the other big one was Eschner court as far as.

[5:44:33] That was one that had.

[5:44:37] A view easement also in that property.

[5:44:41] that one was there was there is a conservation E.

[5:44:45] You saw actually the e-leasment on the the National Court property and so they were proposing

[5:44:50] a fence but the fence was fully met all our fence code requirements, there was no exception.

[5:44:57] But we did as a part of the action.

[5:45:00] The open fence, which was within two feet of the conservation easement, the open splitter of fence was reduced from their proposed six feet, it was approved at ID.

[5:45:11] And with three rails, I think it's that right.

[5:45:13] Yes.

[5:45:17] Thank you so much.

[5:45:20] So next, a planning director report, did you have a report?

[5:45:25] I'm right, do not have any further thing further ahead.

[5:45:29] All right.

[5:45:29] Project, before we adjourn, I just want to thank you all for making my first meeting as

[5:45:35] pretty much as possible. I hope I did okay.

[5:45:43] You did great. You did one probably on the first rookie who hit a hatchric

[5:45:48] in Russians in the history of planning commissioners at

[5:45:53] go south as hell.

[5:45:58] Anyway, do I hear a motion?

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