[4:49] County Board of Supervisors to order, and I believe I'll turn it over to Ms. Cobes.

[4:55] Yes, thank you Chairman, members of the Board for having us today. Today we're going to start with outside agencies.

[5:03] We went through the whole last week, our last time we met, there was only a few with some follow-up we had.

[5:10] I have, I'll start with Ken.

[5:12] We have Ken with the Louisa Fluvant, Fluvant,

[5:15] the Louisa Housing Foundation, we get this right order.

[5:18] And she was going to yell at us for additional information

[5:21] on the emergency home repair program.

[5:24] So she's going to give a little information

[5:25] and some updates on that for you.

[5:28] I lost one.

[5:30] He'll be back.

[5:31] It's a whole tight.

[5:33] OK, no rush, no rush, I'm ready.

[5:56] Thank you, Board of Supervisors and Louisa County

[5:58] for having me again.

[5:59] came Highland from the Flue Van Louise Housing Foundation.

[6:03] We had an extra $50,000 request in our budget request overall up for consideration to

[6:09] report.

[6:11] I'm going to kind of backtrack a little bit.

[6:13] It would be for the essential home repair program and what I've handed to you shows some

[6:19] usage of the repair program in Louise Accounty over the past few years it continues to increase

[6:28] And unfortunately, grant funds for repairs have been decreasing.

[6:34] So they are more difficult to find in a particular

[6:37] the HPG or housing preservation grant, which is specific to rural areas,

[6:43] has decreased considerably.

[6:45] If you go to about middle of the page,

[6:48] is the total HPG funds from TJPDC,

[6:51] who distributes those funds,

[6:53] have been steadily decreasing over the last three years.

[6:58] So FY-23 was $212,000, then went $1,174,111,

[7:04] and this year it was only $60,000 that is shared

[7:07] between all of the counties.

[7:10] One of the figures that I had, I think I have it in here somewhere,

[7:16] sort of the bottom of the second of the back page,

[7:20] shows the distribution in FY23.

[7:24] And I can show you guys Luis,

[7:25] a county husband getting the lion share of those funds each year.

[7:30] Then we have a really good model for utilizing funds that are available like this. It was greatly underutilized about five, six, seven years ago. And we ramped it up, made it really work in our program very well.

[7:43] So that particular year, Louisa County used $67,000 of those funds, and you'll also see that in

[7:51] our general grant funds, Baman, LCCF at the bottom of the first page, have been steadily declining.

[7:59] So those are an example of private funders that we use to help our repair funds steadily decreasing.

[8:06] So, this leaves us a bit of a gap while we have continued, have a use of the repair program.

[8:16] I think it's the widest use program of all of our programming.

[8:20] We serve about 50 people a year at least in Louisiana County.

[8:23] It serves the people who live here, their own homes.

[8:28] Generally, they've lived here, their whole lives, most of the people that we serve.

[8:31] The average age is about 68, so it's about keeping our seniors in place.

[8:37] If this is something that the board would entertain is really helping people who've been

[8:42] here for a long time, it aligns with not expanding growth in homes, keeping the people

[8:50] who are here in their homes.

[8:52] Decreasing homelessness, a lot of the people we deal with are at great risk of homelessness.

[8:56] us. So it's something that I would share with you all that would have great impact on the

[9:03] community, would be valued by your constituents, and truly utilize for the people who live

[9:10] and work here. And if this doesn't align with what you guys just think, I just want to

[9:18] pose a couple of questions about what success looks like for the flu vanalyzed housing

[9:23] foundation. How can we best serve the community? This program, I think is highly successful.

[9:30] I think it is our best program that we offer to the community with the best reach. So if

[9:36] this is in our best, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say, what direction you think

[9:40] we should be going in, where we should be exerting our efforts. We are also expanding, working

[9:48] with first-time home buyers because I do think that's been underserved, getting our young

[9:52] people into homes so we are trying to serve in that capacity as well but this serves more

[9:58] of our older residents, it does serve families as well though and keeps a lot of our kids

[10:03] when I'm safe and dry. So I'm open to questions about this program.

[10:08] Any questions coming? Good evening. Can these funds be used to match for other funds?

[10:20] Yes, they could and we could design it the in the best fashion that Louisa County would like to we could either do grant or loan

[10:29] We could do it as a matching funds typically what we do I would I would suggest using this similarly to the HPG program

[10:37] Where it was only for people under 50% AMI and we grant half of the

[10:44] Repair project up to $5,000 and then we loan them the other half

[10:48] So it greatly reduces their cost.

[10:50] For example, a roof that was $6,000, we would grant them $3,000, they would borrow $3,000.

[10:57] So it helps bring it into a more affordable range for our seniors.

[11:01] I just try to come up with a way we can stretch it.

[11:04] Yeah, yeah.

[11:05] I think this is such an important program and your funder being cut for it.

[11:09] But we need to, I think as a community, and this is a word find a way that we're funding.

[11:13] These are most vulnerable, but vulnerable population in our community, our seniors, and that's why I asked you to come here today and speak about this and homelessness is just a hair away for so many people and especially people in your program.

[11:33] I appreciate you. I'm creating the opportunity for us to talk about that. A lot of these people will leave our community.

[11:39] don't do something about it, because they are that close to homelessness and and that much

[11:45] need of repairs to their homes.

[11:50] You may not know the answer to this one, but I am going to ask, should the tragic event

[11:58] that someone having to leave their home because they cannot afford to repair it and the home

[12:02] is no longer inevitable, but what generally happens to those homes after that?

[12:07] Do you have any idea Kim so more often than not they stay until the house disintegrates around them if you drive around and you see

[12:17] You know houses that are boarded up there may be people living in there. A lot of our homes that

[12:24] Really shouldn't be inhabited still are we don't go around you know being a rural community

[12:30] We often don't go investigate those properties and realize that there are people living there

[12:35] or we don't want to make them homeless.

[12:39] So it's, you know, they end up back on the county.

[12:43] They're probably, they get behind in their taxes.

[12:45] And that is something that we also

[12:48] requires that they're up to date on their taxes.

[12:52] But they often, they can lose their homes.

[12:57] So what I'm seeing is a trend for this type of home

[13:03] to be stripped down from the pieces that are causing it to be inevitable and then being refurbished

[13:10] and does the vanhousing foundation do anything like that at all with any houses?

[13:15] Whenever we have the funding available, we do. We love to rehab homes.

[13:19] Okay. So in some cases, some of these homes are inevitably they need to turn over into

[13:25] different ownership so that entrepreneurship business flows into that area and revitalize that home.

[13:32] So another person can come and buy that and make it their home.

[13:36] And to your point, that's what we're hoping with the new community, um, with one bedroom

[13:40] and two bedroom units that will have some people who move out of those dilapidated houses,

[13:45] we could then purchase that that lot and rehab it.

[13:48] So we are looking to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak, yeah, whatever possible.

[13:53] Okay, thank you.

[13:54] Because yeah, some of these repair, so we don't repair everything that comes to us.

[13:59] So about one out of every four calls we're really able to help, some of them are beyond

[14:05] repair.

[14:05] We can't put a new roof on a house that's going to fall down to your point.

[14:14] Miss Allen,

[14:17] these funds from Tom Shots and Planning District, HPG funds, is that the

[14:24] program that it rotates in their district?

[14:28] No, that's home.

[14:29] That's well, so it's home, Chodo, recipient funds, that's the community housing development

[14:34] organization.

[14:35] So it's not for this.

[14:36] It is not that one.

[14:38] And I actually printed out only print out one of them, but this is a chart of our usage of HPG funds

[14:45] over the past few years.

[14:46] I'm a L.L.

[14:47] Pass this around.

[14:51] That shows how it wasn't particularly utilized by our organization a few years ago.

[14:58] But yeah, when I saw those, they were available.

[15:00] Well, I thought it was a perfect match for what we do.

[15:04] Thank you. Mr. Mobile question. Mr. Highland. To what are we attributing this decline in funding from

[15:14] TJPDC as well as the Bama Grant program?

[15:17] So the HPG funds were not as high this year and they get divided. There's only one pool of money for the whole state, and it depends on how many organizations bid on it.

[15:29] Previously there were only two this past year there were four and there were a few are funds

[15:34] So there's just less and there's just not a lot of programs for I I think this is a program that should be

[15:42] broader I find it extremely successful and helping our residents

[15:48] I really struggle. There's an e-heart program that is statewide we get

[15:54] $6700 every year and they have my email and phone number up on their website and people call me

[15:59] asking for those funds when that covers about three or four cases a year for us.

[16:07] So, and they've DHCD distributes those funds.

[16:11] Their response to me is that they're afraid to bring it up at the state legislature,

[16:16] because they're afraid then they'll get rid of the program completely.

[16:18] But I really encourage them to bring it up and maybe, you know, perhaps increase funding for that particular program.

[16:25] I think I read somewhere, if you don't knock on the door, you will not get an answer.

[16:28] You will definitely not get an answer, but that's sometimes not the approach of some people

[16:34] in different positions.

[16:38] Yeah, sure.

[16:39] Briefly, not keep going back and forth, but Miss Halena had a situation a couple of years

[16:47] ago.

[16:48] Well, we had a young man who was living in the house, he was a single parent at two children,

[16:55] And the house literally was falling down on him.

[17:00] I was a situation where he, over a year,

[17:04] if he fell in the home and he had it.

[17:07] And we asked an issue because of taxes and stuff.

[17:11] But he had that, he'd been able to rehab the house.

[17:15] He would have made a big difference.

[17:17] And he was getting to do some things,

[17:18] because he didn't want chaperetic services to see the kids living in the house

[17:22] like that, because he didn't want him to take his kids.

[17:26] And it was a situation where, I mean, we went back and forth, back and forth.

[17:29] It's heartbreaking.

[17:30] Hard-breaking.

[17:31] With nothing we could do.

[17:32] And family, he had to move the Wayneboro way.

[17:35] He could find a four-to-house, you know.

[17:38] And they're the house sets.

[17:40] Yeah, a new straight-out.

[17:41] I mean, born, raised, and raised, and raised.

[17:42] Born, raised, and raised, and raised, and raised, and raised.

[17:45] We'll continue to be a blighted house in the neighborhood

[17:48] and everything down property values.

[17:52] I was going to just the same question as Supervisor McCotter did and so I follow up on that

[17:59] Lyra Bama and LCCF's funding levels decreasing as well and then a quick follow-up question

[18:06] on that how are we expanding these funds?

[18:08] These aren't through internal forces, you're hiring people to do this work or...

[18:13] No, it is through the people that we currently have so they claim that it's nothing to do

[18:18] our application, it's a reduction in the amount of funds they have, and an increase in applications.

[18:25] But they have told us that they're very happy with the programming.

[18:28] We fold these, and these are fantastic because we don't have to go through the paperwork.

[18:33] We do have the formula though that we put together so that we can evenly distribute funds

[18:39] depending on the size of the repair.

[18:41] If it's a very small repair, and it's only $500, they might get $250 out of it.

[18:46] and there's a max and we will meet of $1,000 for some of these smaller ones.

[18:51] Some of them, it's $2,000, so the great thing about how our organization being small

[18:56] is we can design it, how we think it best functions and apply that to everybody, and then

[19:01] make upgrades to the program as we come up with better ideas or have other resources potentially.

[19:11] Do you anticipate as the tax dollars that are paid to Louisa County increase in the next few years?

[19:22] Do you anticipate that that could have negative effect on the money that you are able to get?

[19:29] It could, right? Because it skews the pockets of poverty with the rural areas. It's really difficult to pull the numbers that we need.

[19:39] One of the professors at UVA just asked me to come in yesterday and speak on that as part of us trying to pull data.

[19:48] Very difficult, as you know, it should be pretty easy in the mineral district. It's very difficult, right? Because we're skewed.

[19:56] Yeah, you have two very different segments of society living in the same district.

[20:03] My, it's fortunately exposed to flu vanic county.

[20:06] I've been able to pull some numbers that are specific to the four-cunion district and apply

[20:12] them to Louise County because there's a similar issue, but four-cunion is about the only area

[20:18] where I've been able to pull very accurate at it.

[20:21] And it's still skewed there.

[20:24] But it's one of the more clear data sources where you can identify you.

[20:30] This is very different than the rest of the county and they have the same issue there, right,

[20:34] with Lake Monticella.

[20:37] But getting accurate and within the margin of error.

[20:43] So one of our margins of error was a 24% poverty rate with a plus or minus of 14%.

[20:52] So either it's really pretty low at 10% or reasonable or it's extremely high and almost half of the people

[20:59] So with that being said I

[21:03] Guess that we as a board should anticipate

[21:08] That the amount of ass from your

[21:12] Organization probably will grow I

[21:15] I think we need for the funds will be great

[21:18] We will have greater pressure on the more vulnerable people and that's

[21:22] certainly what I've seen in the past six years here as we've grown.

[21:26] But as far as if this does have an effect on what grant money or the amounts of the

[21:33] grants, if they start reducing because the county, I know that way the school works.

[21:41] I don't remember what that's called, but as-

[21:44] I can size it index, that's right.

[21:46] So, you know, it's a percentage that each locality in the state gets, well, if the more

[21:54] income that your county gets in tax money from somewhere else, the less money you get from

[22:00] the state for your schools.

[22:02] So, I have a feeling that there are probably some grants out there that work similar that are

[22:08] based on income and need and the county financial need at the county, not of the individuals

[22:14] but of the county itself. It helps us validate the need. Correct. Okay. Yes. Yes, Mr.

[22:21] One question. I know you recently received a Rabbinic community grant.

[22:30] From Amazon. That has nothing to do with this.

[22:33] So we actually, we did ask them for $10,000 specifically for repairs.

[22:38] So, and they did grant us $10,000 for those repairs.

[22:42] So, yes.

[22:44] Was it $10,000? The limit of that request, if I'm not mistaken?

[22:48] The limit, the limit is.

[22:50] The limit is everybody to $10,000.

[22:51] Yes, yes.

[22:53] Which is helpful, but it's another, you know, we're trying to pull from as many sources as possible.

[22:58] No other opportunities for grants for for this cycle per se or we've been looking we we continue

[23:05] We will apply to LCCF again and Bama funds

[23:10] But it's really difficult to find you would think housing would be a an abundant

[23:18] Area where there's grants available. It's difficult often when I apply even to a non-profit

[23:24] To find housing listed the list homelessness the list other

[23:28] basic needs but housing is is rarely listed out. Okay, so I'm going to stop with my my point making, but

[23:38] a long time ago when I was younger I wanted to pay off Converse all-star shoes. That was the shoe that you would want.

[23:45] When you look back in the days not really much of a shoe anymore, but I

[23:48] didn't get Converse shoes. I got McGregor's from Kmart and I was thankful that I got those and eventually they were kind of cool.

[23:56] So I think what the point here is, what does a need and what does a want?

[24:01] We have a lot of things in front of us on these sheets that are want.

[24:06] This may be a need.

[24:08] So I think we really need to consider the difference between needs and wants when we look at this budget.

[24:15] Thank you.

[24:16] And I do think we are very good about selecting our residents and making sure they're compliant with the programs.

[24:22] there. There's citizens we have people on our board who also can say, hey, these are

[24:27] good citizens who need some help. Because sometimes we get people who are not

[24:31] great citizens and we do we are we are selective in those cases. So we want

[24:37] people who are also feeding back into the community. I can vouch sitting on your board

[24:43] that you are selective. The money is going to the right homes and the right

[24:46] homeowners and you're picking the right projects. You're not just spending it and I

[24:50] agree with you and that's why I asked her to come that this is more of a need than a

[24:54] want for our community and for residents who really do need the assistance and the

[25:01] help up from their county. Through an organization and a nonprofit like you

[25:07] nurse. Thank you and I appreciate your involvement. This

[25:10] Jones, seeing the day-to-day activity is very helpful and we really appreciate

[25:16] your time on the board and love being on the board. Okay. Anybody else have any other questions or comments?

[25:22] Mr Chairman, if we move forward, I'd like to reconsider a bit to get a request for the money that's been asked.

[25:32] I will second that. Two years, a motion to approve the 50,000.

[25:38] Right, yes sir. Second, any discussion?

[25:42] All those in favor of signify by saying aye.

[25:44] Hi, any opposed, motion passes, you're an MC.

[25:48] I'm like, right.

[25:49] That's seven.

[25:50] It's been forced to leave you, Chairman.

[25:53] Board members, we were sent an email from Congress,

[25:59] men, McGuire,

[26:02] about funding for March 6th, 2012,

[26:10] 26 about projects in the community project funding process and I would like to include our

[26:18] affordable housing project under the where he has project must have strong community support

[26:26] district clear federal nexus and shovel ready and it is shovel ready. It's very shovel ready there's

[26:34] a lot of someone and must be for the funds for FY27 which we're in that we could we've been

[26:42] and mixed but I like to send him a letter of support for our Forte of the House and has to be

[26:48] in by March on the 6th and for those of you who remember the money that we now have we got through

[26:56] same process that we're using now we get through a similar

[27:03] CDBG grant kind of deal but I would like for us to support that project

[27:08] this project in the same way.

[27:12] I mean when it came through that was more agricultural base but as you

[27:15] pointed out it does talk about community so it may be something that you

[27:19] could possibly qualify for.

[27:22] We could potentially follow the world development.

[27:25] I'm Mr. Goodman, so you can review what we're talking about.

[27:31] We'll work on that.

[27:33] May I also ask for a letter of support for other grant funds that we are pursuing,

[27:38] like Bama and twice as nice.

[27:41] I don't think anybody has an objection to that.

[27:44] We just need Dave Matthew, have another hit.

[27:46] Help.

[27:49] You can work with staff on that as well.

[27:53] Thanks. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

[27:56] Miss Go.

[27:57] Yes, sorry. Right now. Okay.

[27:59] Thank you.

[28:00] Thank you.

[28:02] Just a few updates on some of the others.

[28:05] I did work with the Arts Center.

[28:07] And we went through their budget request.

[28:10] And we are able to move from the general fund funding.

[28:14] There's 60,000 requests.

[28:17] They have programming needs of about 94,000.

[28:20] So we can move that over to transit occupancy and ask through that path.

[28:24] So I'm going to work with her and Cindy to do the application through that process

[28:28] through that funding source, which would free up general fund money as you all requested.

[28:35] That's what was the amount you just said?

[28:38] They asked for 80,000.

[28:41] Y'all had said that you would like to fund 60,000.

[28:45] And to see if we could fund some of it through the transit occupancy tax funding.

[28:49] So in that with them they actually have 94,000 that would probably qualify in the transit

[28:56] occupancy funding. But I will work with them to apply for at least the 60,000 through that

[29:02] process so that funding would pay that allocation in fiscal year 27. I'm gonna go ahead and get

[29:07] them to submit it so it's ready to go about July 1. So that's where I'm getting lost. Is that

[29:13] $60,000 over and above the $60,000?

[29:17] No, that's $60,000.

[29:19] The original, we normally pay for out of general fund dollars.

[29:22] We're going to take it out of general fund

[29:25] and move it over to the transit occupancy budget

[29:27] to be funded there.

[29:28] So same-60, not to just one, but it'll be funded

[29:32] with the money that's more restrictive

[29:34] that to free it up a little bit in general fund

[29:36] that's not restrictive.

[29:37] So it hadn't increased their amount.

[29:39] So their request is still, I know most of the Williams have talked about, and we had some discussion earlier, about the 60, everybody was in agreement to, and they could apply for TOD funding, TOD for the additional.

[30:00] Well, 20,000 that they were looking at them.

[30:02] He had asked me to also look at it for the 60. So if they have 94,000 and expenses that would qualify under the

[30:12] TOT funding, the 60 they originally asked for, plus the additional.

[30:18] Okay, we're still holding it. If I get it right, we're still holding the appropriation at 60,000. We're just looking at a different

[30:25] money that we're set of taking it from general fund money so we would take it out of the

[30:28] TOT money.

[30:30] Yes.

[30:30] Well, I would also like to add on to that is trying to also find that additional 20,000, whether

[30:41] it's through TOT or whatever it is, but when we're looking at some of these other things,

[30:46] I think it's a value ahead of community service that, in other words, I don't want to

[30:54] see it. The 60 in the past has been sort of this is designated that's done. It sounds

[31:02] like now. If I'm understanding this correctly, the 60 is still there, we're just looking

[31:09] for a different pocket. But I'd also like to look for that additional 20 to 20 to get a closer

[31:19] to that 80s house mark. If y'all, they have the fun, they have the stuff that would qualify

[31:27] under that program to get them to the 80s and I can tell them to submit that. Are they being

[31:34] in that bluegrass band from Mr. Row? They got one on April and I love it.

[31:44] Do you know what

[31:51] It's a whole different quality, don't know.

[31:55] Chairman, can I get you a quick comment?

[31:59] I am confused on this, because I'm way I understood this.

[32:03] It's the last meaning we approved $60,000.

[32:06] Straight at the General Fund for the Louise Arts Center.

[32:09] That was decided.

[32:10] Okay.

[32:11] It was something.

[32:12] I'm not saying that we don't have to do what we're doing now.

[32:14] But I'm just trying to parse this out in my mind.

[32:16] And I think maybe supervisor Bartler has a similar question.

[32:21] Because it was something that we discussed at the last work session, and I definitely,

[32:27] it's still not a clear, the $20,000 that we are, they asked for 80.

[32:32] We're not going to 80, we're going to 60, but when I understood that the additional 20

[32:37] could come from TOT, I don't know why we need to make it more difficult.

[32:44] Just given the 60 out of the general fund way between its already said we would do,

[32:48] And then 94,000 out of TOT,

[32:52] if we're going to get 700,000 at TOT,

[32:56] you know, possibly, and you get 94,000 for one entity.

[33:00] It's a lot of money.

[33:01] It's a large percentage of the TOT,

[33:03] but if we go 20,000, that may be a little bit more palatable,

[33:07] and it may not cause other people

[33:09] that are applying for TOT to be like,

[33:12] hey, 94,000, and we're getting such and such.

[33:15] So I don't know if it's necessarily,

[33:17] if you like, we have an issue where we have to go to 94,000 out of TOT, but again, I'm not on the finance committee.

[33:24] I thought we had to say this one.

[33:25] I may have misunderstood, because I asked it a couple of times.

[33:31] And I'm still confused on what we're doing right now, because is the 94,000, that's not all of what's in TOT money is.

[33:41] No, what I asked them to do?

[33:43] No, no, there's sudden.

[33:45] Let me back to that.

[33:46] I think, let me back to that.

[33:48] So, the last budget workshop, the Board,

[33:52] ten of the Regary, to fund $60,000, which is historically

[33:57] what they've been funded.

[33:57] They requested 80 finance committee recommended that we

[34:02] hold this stay at 60.

[34:05] Then Mr. Williams asked if there was a way that Ms.

[34:09] and could look at any money that could come from the TOT money.

[34:15] So what Ms. Colvin has come back with is said that the entire 60 could qualify to come

[34:25] out of the TOT money and the advantage to that, in my opinion, is that's a completely

[34:34] separate bucket of money than our general revenue.

[34:37] So, that frees up general revenue, which is not restricted to some very narrow things, and frees up general revenue to go to schools, fire,

[34:49] EMS, human services, wherever we would decide that we would have to put it.

[34:54] I'm right so far, right?

[34:55] Yeah, that's how I took it.

[34:58] So, that's the factual statement.

[35:00] I'm going to give you my opinion, but what I think, I don't think we should go any more than $60,000,

[35:06] myself period. I mean, again we talked about that at the last meeting, that's just been a historical

[35:11] number. But by being able to find it outside a journal fund, it frees up general fund money

[35:18] to do the other functions of local government.

[35:23] That's a win for the county. It's a win for the arts

[35:28] center. They get their historical funding level and you know I'll go back to needs and once right

[35:34] from the community, I think that's probably a need.

[35:38] I think this is probably one.

[35:39] I think it's extremely important.

[35:41] I've supported it since I've been here.

[35:44] But this is a most a placeholder for the last

[35:47] alongmas of Barnes 10 years, 12 years, something

[35:50] like a long time, right?

[35:52] So that would be the advantage to taking it out of TOT.

[35:58] And then we would just have to determine

[35:59] if we want to go more than to 60,000,

[36:01] which I wouldn't support.

[36:03] It's a chair. I'm of that same answer, that the TOT would go. That's what we have it from

[36:12] that standpoint. As I told you earlier, I remember in the original funding for our son

[36:18] for the long for three years.

[36:28] The funding for it, coming to the TOT, they have to apply for that to get it.

[36:36] That's where I'm getting a little. In other words, we're taking it from, it's coming

[36:43] out to general fun and I'm fine with it coming out to GOT. That's fine.

[36:49] But, in other words,

[36:50] we're taking it from the general fun where we're saying that, okay, you got 60,000 from

[36:56] general fund. Now we've seen you got to apply to get that 60,000 out of the TLT.

[37:07] We have what we've said in the past that we'll put a placeholder for the full 60 from

[37:12] the general fund if they don't get the full amount. So let's say they apply for 60 and

[37:18] they get 40. The county would then kick in the other 20 so that the full preparation amount

[37:25] would always be guaranteed.

[37:26] I think that's that's right and we...

[37:30] We read a right-knit, so maybe I'll remember it going forward. But what I'm saying is when I didn't recall that part and I don't know of anything that I can refer back to that says that's what we're doing.

[37:48] We asked me also, we did this for the Historical Society last year, and so I did the same thing for them, and so what we did last year is when we told, we had them apply, but when they applied, we put a note that the board would like this to move forward, it needs the requirements, and I put that on their award letter that it would be funded with TOT with an application process, and if for some reason it wasn't, then I would come back and we'd fund it with the other, and it was approved.

[38:16] We all do the final approval on TOT as long as it meets, the guidelines to go to the committee.

[38:21] The committee does have a say in it, but these are things that do fall in what they vote to do for.

[38:28] And that's why I had them go through and say, hey, programming, anything that brings in people promotes tourism.

[38:35] These are the kind of expenses so going through the historical societies, budget same thing.

[38:40] So to approve 24,000 last year, I think 13,000 is what we pay for at a TOT and the other 10 out of General Fund.

[38:49] Working with them this year, we think 23,000 can be funded out of TOT out of their 24.

[38:56] But it can be broken down however you wanted. It does free up to pay for things like the emergency repairs and things like that.

[39:04] I have zero problem with the coming out of TOT.

[39:07] That's fine, it's just, I don't want it to be hit or mess, and I told both of that.

[39:16] I don't know any new ground, as you said, this is how we did the historical work.

[39:19] We did it with historical society, and the goal is to fund the project, it's just the funding source.

[39:26] And we do because of the funding source that does have an application process because of the way it has to go through that committee.

[39:32] But we do let them know this is things that we've vetted and we feel like they should be approved. Now if they don't move on forward

[39:40] Then we can put it out of the general fund just like we always have

[39:44] And that's why I told both of them when I talked to them that I would like them to go ahead and do the application now

[39:50] So we can take it in March to that committee and get it approved or not

[39:54] So by the time we do the budget in April if they didn't approve it, we can put it in general fund

[40:00] You're the

[40:01] the age on to the arts center correct as well as the tourism

[40:05] but the arts center who's to the historical societies at you so take

[40:11] that message back to both of them and reiterate that what were they were great I

[40:15] talked to Caitlyn Karen Karen and they were both totally on board with that I

[40:22] told him we would help him get what you know in the process that you know when you

[40:26] have your meeting so see many else have any comments or questions yes yeah

[40:31] I started making motion to do that and I also, in your discussions with them, have them apply for this for that extra 20,000 to get them to that 80,000 mark.

[40:49] To me, I think it's something that's worthwhile. It should be applying for.

[40:54] And when we're looking at some of these other things, that is what has made me want to boast of that.

[41:00] So, what's your motion?

[41:02] I'm making a motion to move forward, taking, giving them a 60,000 out of the TOT and also a platform for the Aleppo.

[41:12] So, your motion is 80,000 from the TOT, fund their full request from TOT.

[41:19] Yes, you're second on that.

[41:20] I mean, just make sure I understand the motion, because I mean, it's along your lines,

[41:26] 60 is going to get a lot of to them.

[41:29] they're going to try and get it all from TOT, but if that doesn't happen we're still going to

[41:34] back it up and give them 60 and then maybe 20 from TOT. I think that's his motion.

[41:40] Okay. That's what I understood about it in the 80 totally.

[41:42] So you want to bump it up to the 480,000.

[41:47] There would be my motion.

[41:50] We have a second motion from the general fund for 80.

[41:54] No, there's somewhere for you if we've been at a 6,880,000.

[41:59] Well, I think what I was talking about doing is taking the 60,000 from either

[42:03] General Fund or the TOT and then have just seen the discussion, have them apply for the

[42:11] additional 20,000.

[42:13] That's just, let's follow, I think we understand what you want to do, but we can't take

[42:24] something like application, but we can't take money out of TOT. I think what we're talking

[42:28] before, like it's called, I'm talking about put a placeholder for 60,000. They don't get

[42:35] it from TOT, then we will find it out as your fund. So I think we can do that with a placeholder

[42:41] and let them apply for the money out TOT, but like I said in case they don't, they want

[42:46] at least get the 60,000 unless another board member move to add additional funding.

[42:53] I'll try.

[42:54] So we do have a motion for 60,000 total appropriation.

[42:59] We don't have a second.

[43:01] So unless we have a second, that's going to die for a lack of a second.

[43:05] 80,000 total.

[43:06] 80,000 total.

[43:07] 80,000 total.

[43:08] Yes, 80,000.

[43:10] Okay, so you're second?

[43:11] From both sources.

[43:13] Application for Grant?

[43:14] If we appropriate for $80,000, and they don't get it from TOT, it's going to be gummed back out of the general fund.

[43:23] Or you could do a combination, yes.

[43:28] All right, so that's the motion on the floor.

[43:31] We have any discussion because I have some discussion, but...

[43:33] I would find a point of discussion.

[43:37] TOT is like Easter candy.

[43:39] Big old basket of great candy that we're getting, not from our taxpayers, but from visitors.

[43:43] As we take from the basket and enjoy the candies, eventually the basket is empty and you have to wait till next year.

[43:50] So keep that in mind when you're thinking about all the Easter candy and TOT money we can enjoy.

[43:56] But you must use it wisely.

[43:58] Mr.

[44:01] Woodrop, I appreciate it.

[44:04] It does get replenished so far.

[44:07] It does.

[44:08] And hopefully it gets re-punished through some of the programs that were spending this money on.

[44:14] We can.

[44:17] This is a good convoluted.

[44:19] It's pretty convoluted right now.

[44:22] But I've got it down.

[44:23] The part of the 60, if it comes back from the general fund, that was the intent.

[44:31] And what my motion is for the 60 from the general fund.

[44:37] If it doesn't come from the tube tip, but in the discussions, I would recommend or ask that they apply for that additional 20 through the TOT.

[44:52] Well, they can do that without a motion from the board because what your motion would do right now would obligate the funding to 80.

[45:01] That's now what I'm 10, the 60,000, for them we don't make come from the general fund.

[45:08] Then we don't need a motion because we already did all that last meeting.

[45:12] And they're free like anyone else to apply for any additional funding.

[45:17] But when I send it up to them.

[45:21] So do you want to withdraw your motion?

[45:23] Yeah, I mean if that's already established.

[45:27] Okay, I think it is. Do you want to withdraw your second?

[45:31] Yeah, absolutely.

[45:32] That folks is Robert's rules are ordered.

[45:34] I have to answer.

[45:35] Yes sir.

[45:36] So with that being said, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make the motion

[45:41] that the Arts Center asks for the $80,000.

[45:46] $80,000 from the TOT money.

[45:52] And we will send a letter along with it just like we have in the past.

[45:56] that if that funding, some reason doesn't come through at the full amount, for them to come back,

[46:04] we will keep $60,000 as a holdy in a hold for them in case they don't get the full amount.

[46:16] Second.

[46:17] Is there a second?

[46:19] Any discussion on this?

[46:21] Yeah.

[46:22] In other words, if we are now doing this 60, I agree.

[46:27] Right now the 60 doesn't make any difference.

[46:29] So they're going to ask for $80,000 from the trends

[46:31] at our agency tax.

[46:33] We're going to send a letter to them that explains to them

[46:37] that if they don't get that full, $80,000

[46:41] that we have a own hold for them, $60,000.

[46:46] But they've got to come back and ask for it.

[46:49] Yeah.

[46:50] That's what I'm trying to clear up.

[46:53] So let's just use an example.

[46:55] If the TOT says we're not going to do 80,

[46:59] but we'll do 30, then we only have to do 50.

[47:08] Okay, so you're obligated to do 50.

[47:10] That can't be done for 80 times.

[47:13] Well, that means I'm asking it.

[47:13] That's going motion is $80,000 ASF from the TOT,

[47:18] but I think the scenario doesn't have to play out that way.

[47:22] I don't know.

[47:22] That would be that.

[47:25] The more money that TOT gives them

[47:29] be less money that the county would have to do.

[47:33] But at the end of the day, your motion is to increase the

[47:35] appropriation date.

[47:39] Well, yes.

[47:40] From Earth.

[47:41] What shall I say?

[47:43] TOT from TOT.

[47:44] Well, that.

[47:44] So if we get, I said the other.

[47:47] If we get that, I said that about it being anything more.

[47:51] I'm saying $80,000 from TOT is what they

[47:55] If it doesn't work out that way, then I'm saying the county is saying we'll do 60,000 if they don't get the full 80,000.

[48:08] So I have a question and again same question I ask here.

[48:12] So we've agreed in the last budget workshop to fund them wherever the source comes from at 60,000 dollars.

[48:20] Nothing stops them from applying without a board directive and wandering into this $80,000

[48:30] number from going into a plane for additional TOT funding outside of the 60.

[48:38] I mean my concern is once that $80,000 number is thrown out, it's always going to be out.

[48:49] We're going to increase it.

[48:53] Well, I think that's up to the arts.

[48:55] Well, if I'm not so.

[48:57] Yeah, they just heard they're getting 80,000.

[48:59] No, if I'm not, if I'm not, if I'm not, I'm going to

[49:01] play over the $20,000.

[49:04] Regardless, because I noted the board holding 60,000 for them.

[49:08] Right, that's right.

[49:09] Did that not say that?

[49:10] That's exactly right.

[49:12] It was there.

[49:13] Well, is that not what we've done in the past?

[49:18] What we've done in the past is if y'all say we're going to give them $50,000, they get $50,000

[49:24] from whatever source.

[49:26] So if TOT has 25, they're only going to get 20% from the board.

[49:29] If TOT has 50, there's nothing from the general fund.

[49:32] So we've been doing it like y'all vote on a total of what you want them to have.

[49:37] Whether that's 60 or 80.

[49:39] And then we figure out the funding sources based on that.

[49:44] That's what we've been doing.

[49:46] Yeah, it's a historical society being the precedent.

[49:49] They're the only one we've done so far, yeah.

[49:52] And so.

[49:53] So I was asked to try to do the same thing using 60,000

[49:56] at the last work session, see how much of that 60

[50:00] could be funded from TOT, not that they can apply for more.

[50:08] But the board would only commit for all, at least last session.

[50:11] I can change it.

[50:13] It's 60,000 up here, which is the historic bending line, but we do have a motion and it's like, I'll withdraw.

[50:23] All right, so we're clear on that.

[50:25] I'm not right.

[50:27] Let me, let me restate it to what I think in Mr. Goodman.

[50:31] I'm looking at you here because I'm sure you've been taking middle notes.

[50:36] copious, middle notes. The board has agreed to tentatively fund the Arts Center for $60,000.

[50:46] There's a possibility that all or a great deal of that funding can come from TOT money,

[50:54] which would lessen the impact on the general fund because it's just a different bucket of money.

[51:02] What their additional request is, 20, 10, 30, 40, they can go to the TOT Committee and ask for additional funding through the tourism dollars, but what the county is guaranteeing them regardless of the funding source of $60,000.

[51:19] They don't only get more if they ask for 61,000 and all of it can come from TOT and that group will prove it.

[51:27] They could get up to 80,000.

[51:30] 80,000?

[51:31] Or whatever.

[51:32] In quality by 4,000.

[51:34] But that's separate.

[51:35] I mean, that's separate from board action.

[51:36] That's exactly right.

[51:39] If I understood what was just said was that if we have a place all of a 60 and then they apply for the additional

[51:51] for 20 more thousand through the TOT funding that they will get it sounds as though they

[52:01] will get 20 from the TOT. All of it from the TOT. Right but that's so is that going to be

[52:08] 80 or 60. It'd be 80 if they apply outside of the preparation. If they ask for 80 in

[52:14] group approves it. If they approve 61, they get 61. If they approve 58, then 58 from

[52:23] TOT and 2000 from the board. You're not understanding that right. Okay. You are.

[52:28] The only thing the board is guaranteed.

[52:30] It's $60,000, okay. That's what we decided the last time. I mean, we can, again, Mr. Chairman, Tommy, I understand your confusion

[52:40] because when we approved $60,000 for an outside agency, that's $60,000 out of the general fund. Now, we are encouraging them to apply for another $20,000 grant from the TOT.

[52:54] What I'm trying to understand is, is that $20,000 backed out of the 60?

[53:01] No, and we're not going to encourage him to do anything.

[53:04] They've asked for an appropriation of 80.

[53:06] We're not encouraging that they can do that.

[53:07] They can do whatever they want.

[53:08] Same as the arts center or anybody else.

[53:11] It's a funding source.

[53:12] So we're looking at a fundee source to free up money from the general fund.

[53:16] Yeah, that's all we're doing.

[53:16] Y'all have approved 60,000 and we're looking for ways to fund it.

[53:21] That's allowable like we have revenue recovery funding. We used to we we use that now with the equipment bills

[53:27] But just for funding sources and the only thing is this money ties to an application. That's the only thing

[53:37] You're doing a great job telling you it's planned. I mean not be able to understand it

[53:42] You don't know what approved the amount you want them to have 30 hands

[53:46] It would just agree and so the funding source now

[53:50] Yeah. We'll figure that out on the back side of it. If y'all approved six, see if we can take it out of a transit occupancy great. It frees up general fund.

[54:00] And that's what we did the last meeting. You've just come back with a potential funding source other than a general fund.

[54:05] And I have the same for the historical society with her amount, but y'all cut to the same thing. You approved an amount. Okay.

[54:12] What I talked about was a 60.

[54:15] We typically approve.

[54:18] And then if they could get applied to the TOT funding for the additional.

[54:26] But so if they get that TOT, then we only will give them, I mean, the 40.

[54:35] No, we're giving them 60 regardless.

[54:37] If they apply for an additional 20 and get it, they get 80, but we could use TOT to get part of the 60.

[54:47] What they do with that other 20 is outside of our purview.

[54:51] They can apply to the TOT committee regardless of what we do with it.

[54:56] I'm going to have them apply for the 60 alone and leave it at that.

[54:59] If they want to apply to a second application for anything above and beyond,

[55:03] then that would flow through that normal process, nothing from the board, nothing other than yaw

[55:08] would vote on it when it got through here. Maybe that's the simplest way to look at it, right?

[55:12] Is that okay? Let's look at this. Let's look at this into a 60 and a 60 and a 60. Yeah.

[55:15] We're going to ask them to apply to TOT for the 60 and if they don't get all of the 60 from TOT,

[55:22] we'll make it a whole 60 assuming that's what you all still want to do. We'll make it a whole 60

[55:27] with TOT in general fund. If they want to come back in a second separate step

[55:32] To get to their full 80 request. We would say you may apply to TOT for that and there's no guarantee

[55:39] Of whether or not you will get it. Does that make sense?

[55:42] It does but you cannot do two applications was going to set a amount of time for TOT.

[55:48] There's a time limit on it. It's written into that. I don't know what it is. Is it shorter than one year?

[55:56] I think it is, but the shorter than one year it grows over into the second half of the fiscal year.

[56:04] I'll pull the guidelines.

[56:05] Yeah.

[56:06] We'll pull that check on.

[56:07] A good one.

[56:11] You ready?

[56:12] Everybody clear and I clean.

[56:14] How many more of the work sessions do we have?

[56:16] One more and then the budget time holes.

[56:19] We get done.

[56:20] Just figure it out.

[56:21] Budget time calls.

[56:22] And you, and public care.

[56:23] There's a more work session in the public hearing.

[56:25] And the adoption.

[56:26] So, no appropriations in their staff.

[56:30] And we'll ample time to work on this.

[56:36] All right, well, we got three minutes, Jim.

[56:38] Oh, wow, OK.

[56:41] Then the last one I have, and we can do this one next time if you want.

[56:48] So, planning commission did approve the capital improvement plan.

[56:51] So, that is what's in front of you.

[56:52] What was it for?

[56:53] There were no changes.

[56:54] Based on what we talked about at our last work session.

[56:56] Our next work session on March 2nd, is at 4 o'clock.

[57:02] 4 or 3.

[57:04] 4.

[57:04] Are we going to, are we having the department head, Mr. Goodman?

[57:08] It's up to you all, sir.

[57:10] Dr. Mr. Williams today, he was fine with it.

[57:13] What we'd, I'd like to do is have the work session go from start to three.

[57:20] Have the schools, the fire, and the sheriff's department.

[57:23] And those are the top three, give their presentation to the board and answer questions to the board to justify the numbers of the next.

[57:32] I had written that down to potentially do that three o'clock. You think two hours instead of just one.

[57:38] I mean, no street if they take an hour, then whatever the hour is that we would normally do.

[57:43] Okay.

[57:44] I'll make a change to that.

[57:45] for making a change to good time.

[57:49] It'll be March 2nd at 3 o'clock instead of 4 o'clock.

[57:54] I'll send out a meeting invite and update the website.

[58:04] And then we've also scheduled our budget road to meetings.

[58:08] I've sent out meeting invites for that March 24th, March 31st,

[58:12] April 1st from 6 to 8.

[58:14] We'll have those at the three different locations.

[58:16] 7. Are we all going to be attending at Springbreak Week? We were going to be out of town.

[58:23] I think we'll have people in every one. So what is that?

[58:29] Springbreak, I think it's April 6.

[58:31] But we have to be careful.

[58:33] It's April 3.

[58:35] It's April 3.

[58:36] It's April 3.

[58:37] It's April 3.

[58:38] It's April 3.

[58:44] It's April 3.

[58:45] perfect. What's the role going to be, you know, there's no more than two, if you

[58:51] don't enter act in all that sort of thing, do we need to keep it to two or if

[58:56] more than two or there, you can't talk to each other or we ever toss it.

[59:02] I mean, we'll just advertise. Okay, let's do that. Let's go. And we've already, like you all

[59:09] are going to take any action, but I certainly see it potential for more than two of you to be there.

[59:12] exactly. And it's an advertised meeting anyway. So it would be fine. Yes, sir. Okay.

[59:18] Cindy's already started posting, I think, the meetings out. They're on the website, definitely. I know. Okay.

[59:25] Okay. Everything else can wait until next time. Okay.

[59:28] We'll close the budget workshop.

[59:32] And let's see.

[59:37] I call the Tuesday, February 17th, 2021,

[59:40] twenty-six meeting of the Louise Accounting Supervisors to order Mr. Barnard.

[59:45] I made a convening close session to the fallen sub-sections of Virginia Code Section 2.2-3711.

[59:53] One in accordance with Section 2.2-3711-183 Discussional Consideration of the Acquisition.

[1:00:00] Real property for public purpose or the disposition of public account real property in the mineral district, where discussion in open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body, and two in accordance with section 2.23711AB consultation with legal counsel and corridor team by public body regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such council.

[1:00:30] Second, we're probably moved and say that we're going to close session any discussion

[1:00:33] all those in favour of signify by CNI, any opposed motion passes, we're in close session.

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