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Good evening and welcome to the
[1:06]
September 23rd, 2026 meeting of the
[1:09]
lower Marian Board of Commissioners. We
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have four meetings this evening. We have
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a police committee meeting, a finance
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committee meeting, a building and
[1:16]
planning committee meeting, and a board
[1:17]
of commissioners meeting. Before we
[1:19]
start, please silence your cell phones.
[1:21]
There's amplifying equipment available
[1:23]
for those who are having difficulty
[1:24]
hearing. This room is also equipped with
[1:26]
teleil technology. And later, when the
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floor is open for public comment, we ask
[1:30]
that you introduce yourself and say
[1:32]
where in the township you live before
[1:34]
you start your comments. And that you
[1:36]
use that podium to your left. Our first
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committee meeting this evening is the
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police committee. I recognize this
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chair, Commissioner Rosman.
[1:43]
>> Commissioner, Dr. Rosman. Thank you,
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President Silent.
[1:47]
One item on the agenda tonight is an
[1:49]
intention to refer to this evening's
[1:51]
board of commissioners meeting for final
[1:52]
action. Uh authorization to issue a
[1:56]
conditional offer of employment for an
[1:58]
open police position. The motion is to
[2:02]
recommend to the board of commissioners
[2:04]
authorizing the township manager to make
[2:06]
a conditional offer of employment to one
[2:09]
pro probationary police candidate who
[2:11]
has fulfilled the civil service
[2:13]
requirements for eligibility.
[2:16]
May I have a second, please?
[2:19]
Thank you, Commissioner Wooding. Who?
[2:22]
Thank you. Commissioner McGuire.
[2:26]
Uh Superintendent Black, may I have an
[2:28]
explanation, please? Yes, good evening,
[2:30]
Dr. Thank you. Good evening,
[2:32]
commissioners. Uh it's a pleasure to be
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for you this evening. Uh to give you
[2:36]
some background on this, if you recall
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back on our August 3rd meeting, we had
[2:40]
reported out with uh the conditional
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offers that were issued at the time that
[2:44]
had taken us to our full complement of
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136 officers. Since that time, we've had
[2:50]
two officers uh resign. actually one
[2:53]
resigned who had just started with us
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and the second one did not accept the
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conditional offer of employment uh as
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they continue to engage their employer.
[3:01]
So this evening we're making one
[3:03]
request. We do have one candidate that
[3:05]
has passed the background investigations
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uh and is ready to be uh provided the
[3:10]
conditional offer of employment by the
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township manager provided to the police
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committee and the board of commissioners
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uh ratifies that. Uh this individual is
[3:19]
already in the police academy, so that
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is a a plus, if you will, for the police
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department. Um if the conditional offer
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is satisfied, he will end up graduating
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with our seven other cadets that are
[3:31]
attending the academy right now in
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December.
[3:34]
>> Thank you, Superintendent Blank.
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>> And also, if I may, this is also uh one
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of the budgeted positions for 2026. It's
[3:41]
included in our budget.
[3:43]
>> Thank you. Like to open the floor for
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public comment.
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Are there any questions or comments from
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the board?
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I'd like to call for a vote. Anyone on
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Zoom?
[3:58]
>> Uh, actually, no one asked for a link
[4:00]
tonight, so we don't need to worry about
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public.
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>> So, I'd like to call for a vote. All in
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favor signify by raising their hands.
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Acknowledge that this is passed
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unanimously. Thank you.
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The business of the police committee is
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now completed.
[4:19]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Ros. Our next
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committee is the finance committee. I
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recognize this commission.
[4:24]
>> Thank you, President Sinai. There are
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four items on tonight's finance
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committee agenda.
[4:32]
We will start with the finance committee
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considering uh authorization of an
[4:38]
amendment to the fund balance policy. I
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will move that the finance committee
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recommends to the board of commissioners
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amending the township's fund balance
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policy to a range of 15 to 25% of
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general fund operating expenditures. Do
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I have a second? I do from Commissioner
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Courtney.
[5:02]
Adam, can you tell us more about this
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item that we debated and discussed
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extensively one week ago?
[5:10]
Good evening, uh, commissioners. Thank
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you, Commissioner Zelop. This is a
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continuation of the agenda item tabled
[5:15]
last week to authorize an amendment to
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the fund balance policy within the
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township's overall financial policies.
[5:21]
Uh, as discussed, the recommendation to
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amend the current policy would be to set
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a minimum of 15% and a recommended range
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of 15 to 25%.
[5:31]
>> Are there any members of the public here
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with us this evening that have any
[5:34]
questions or comments on this item?
[5:38]
Seeing none, u and Jody, you have uh
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addressed the other question that is
[5:42]
typically asked. Uh are there committee
[5:45]
members with questions or comments? Uh
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we did discuss this extensively a week
[5:50]
ago. The reason it was tabled until uh
[5:53]
tonight was because it was mistakenly on
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last week's agenda for discussion only.
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It is clearly on this week's agenda uh
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for a vote and the motion has been made.
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We discussed the uh the good reasons to
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make this change to the fund balance
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policy. Um and I uh encourage my
[6:14]
colleagues to be supportive. Do um other
[6:17]
committee members have any questions or
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comments?
[6:22]
Seeing none, the motion has been made
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and seconded. All those in favor raise
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your hand.
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Are there any opposed? Are there any
[6:30]
abstensions? Madam Secretary, that item
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passes unanimously.
[6:39]
Second item uh in tonight's finance
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committee agenda
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is for the finance committee to consider
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a resolution
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uh that would um get the ball rolling on
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a seriesA
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bond financing for 2026
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uh as well as a reimbursement for any
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capital expenses incurred prior to
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receipt of
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um the uh bond funds. So, I will move
[7:17]
that the finance committee recommend to
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the board of commissioners adoption of a
[7:22]
resolution authorizing township staff,
[7:25]
financial advisor, and bond council to
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take the necessary steps to facilitate
[7:32]
new money debt issuance to support the
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capital improvement plan at year end
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2026 through 2027, plus approving
[7:44]
reimbursement of capital expenses
[7:46]
incurred prior to the debt issuance. Do
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I have a second? I do from Commissioner
[7:52]
Courtney. Um Adam, can you tell us about
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this item?
[7:58]
>> This is the first two bond related items
[8:00]
on the agenda this evening. Uh this
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first is a resolution uh which as
[8:04]
commissioner Zelv noted authorizes
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township staff bond council and
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financial adviser to facilitate new
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money and potentially a refunding
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issuance uh and to retain our right to
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use a portion of our next bond proceeds
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to reimburse ourselves for any capital
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costs that may incur between issuances.
[8:21]
The reimbursement uh portion of this is
[8:24]
common language the township has used in
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its prior bond resolutions. We expect
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our 2025 bond proceeds that we have on
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hand to be exhausted in the next two to
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three weeks. Um, so this would cover the
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gap and allow us to reimburse ourselves
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once those funds have come in.
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Do any members of the public with us
[8:45]
this evening have any questions or
[8:47]
comments?
[8:48]
Okay, seeing none, are there committee
[8:51]
members with questions or comments? Um
[8:54]
Adam um will our financial advisors be
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presenting in the next agenda item?
[9:00]
Okay. So this agenda item which um
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we have had in the past previous when we
[9:08]
have previously issued new debt. We have
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had an agenda item like this um that
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essentially gets the ball rolling. Um
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and in the next item we'll hear a lot
[9:19]
more information about what that means.
[9:22]
Um, so committee members with questions
[9:25]
or comments.
[9:27]
Okay, seeing none, the motion has been
[9:29]
made and seconded. All those in favor,
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raise your hand.
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Are there any opposed? Are there any
[9:36]
abstensions? Seeing none, Madam
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Secretary, that item passes unanimously.
[9:42]
Okay. Um, the third item on the finance
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committee agenda is for the committee to
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consider
[9:50]
authorizing the advertisement of an
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ordinance
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that would be uh for parameters for
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general obligation bonds series A of
[10:01]
2026 and series B of 2026.
[10:07]
I will move that the finance committee
[10:08]
recommend to the board of commissioners
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authorizing the township bond council to
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advertise notice of intent to adopt an
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ordinance authorizing the parameters for
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the incurrence of non-electoral debt of
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the township of lower Maran series A of
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2026 and series B of 2026.
[10:30]
So there was a lot in that motion. The
[10:32]
motion's been made. Is there a second?
[10:34]
Commissioner Courtney seconds it. Um and
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Adam,
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uh the floor is yours.
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>> So the parameters ordinance is a little
[10:44]
bit different, uh past practice for the
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township. Uh so typically the process
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would be a bond resolution authorizing
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uh township staff. It's a financial
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adviser and bond council to prepare for
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an issuance. Uh and then we would
[10:59]
auction our bonds the evening of a board
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meeting. uh we would identify one date
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to to enter the market uh and then bring
[11:07]
the results to you later that evening.
[11:09]
Um what is more common is what's being
[11:11]
uh presented before you which is a
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parameters ordinance which effectively
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pre-authorizes the parameters uh by
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which those same actors can go and uh
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enter the capital market and and borrow.
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The reason we're bringing this as an
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idea to you uh for author authorizing
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advertisement uh is because of the
[11:31]
volatility in the market. It is a common
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practice and the volatility of the
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market, it will allow uh our financial
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advisor to identify certain key dates to
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target. And if uh market conditions
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worsen um in a way we believe are
[11:45]
temporary uh and want to wait another
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week or two, this would provide us the
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flexibility to do that. Um rather than
[11:52]
identifying one date for the issuance,
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we'd identify several and try and act on
[11:57]
the best interest of the township.
[12:00]
Um so our financial advisor uh
[12:03]
representatives from PFM are here to uh
[12:07]
provide a a a quick presentation. Uh
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I'll note uh you know so our our goal
[12:14]
here is to raise 24 million of new bond
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proceeds uh to finance the needs that we
[12:19]
discussed at our CIP workshop much of
[12:21]
which are uh reappropriations from the
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2026 capital improvement program uh and
[12:28]
currently uh encumbered uh or uh in the
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pipeline. Um, we are also providing the
[12:35]
parameters to refund series B of 2019.
[12:40]
Um, recent market moves have made that
[12:44]
likely not an option for us to refinance
[12:47]
that from a uh from a savings
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perspective. Um, however, including it
[12:52]
in the parameters ordinance at least
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retains that option for us to refund it
[12:57]
if market conditions improve in the next
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month or so.
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Uh and one of the things in there is our
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typical guideline for refunding is to
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uh get gains of 3% net present value.
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That's the guideline in our financial
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policies, but it's not a hard limit. Um
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we would like to entertain the thought
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of reducing that to 2% in our uh that's
[13:21]
kind of part of the slides as well. Um
[13:24]
because we're already going to market
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for new money. Um, so there's not a lot
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of new issuance costs that would really
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uh require us to get that full 3%. Um,
[13:34]
and uh I'll I'll kick it over to Jamie
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Slesinger uh of PFM to go over the quick
[13:40]
slides and then we'll turn over to
[13:41]
questions.
[13:42]
>> Great. Thank you. We welcome uh PFM. If
[13:46]
you would uh introduce yourselves and uh
[13:48]
we welcome you back after our three-year
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absence. I think PFM was our prior
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financial adviser. uh and they uh we we
[13:56]
recently re-engaged them. So, welcome.
[13:59]
>> We very much appreciate being in front
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of you. Uh this is our bread and butter.
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We work with many of the local
[14:05]
governments throughout the Commonwealth
[14:06]
of Pennsylvania and nationally. Uh I can
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tell you my name is Jamie Slesinger. I
[14:11]
serve uh many of the largest credits in
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the state uh most of the high credits as
[14:16]
well. So I actively working with the
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county of Chester, Delaware County, uh
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upper Mckenry Township, all higha rated
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credits. So we're very much used to and
[14:26]
very much appreciate working with uh
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facilities and working on these type of
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projects uh going forward and we're very
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much appreciative of the time and your efforts here.
[14:35]
>> So if you could move the microphone up
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or hold it in your hand just
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>> I can do both of those. I can handle
[14:40]
both of those. Uh well, thank you very
[14:42]
much. Uh we we're going to talk about
[14:43]
the how we're going to do the project
[14:45]
itself. We have a plan of finance that
[14:48]
Adam has uh communicated to us this
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point where we're going to have as much
[14:52]
flexibility as possible when it comes to
[14:55]
entering the market. Uh the township has
[14:58]
uh configured a a capital improvement
[15:00]
plan that includes a $24 million deposit
[15:04]
need for its capital. Although we don't
[15:07]
intend to have the funds in hand
[15:09]
potentially uh by the time you're ready
[15:11]
to start spending. Hence why we have
[15:13]
what is called a reimbursement
[15:14]
resolution that was considered. Uh we
[15:17]
are beginning the process to go through
[15:20]
a competitive internet financing that
[15:23]
would allow us to receive the $24
[15:25]
million as well as consider a
[15:28]
refinancing opportunity.
[15:30]
When a local government wants to enter
[15:33]
into the capital markets, it has to
[15:34]
follow certain tax rules. This page here
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uh describes how that process works. We
[15:41]
have to consider debt when you are going
[15:43]
to spend the money within three years
[15:45]
which based on our conversations with
[15:47]
the team as well as your considerations
[15:49]
through the capital plan we certainly
[15:51]
plan to spend those monies within three
[15:53]
years that meets those standards. You
[15:55]
can turn to the next page please. Or
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maybe I can.
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>> I got the skill sets here.
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» Where are we down there? It's not
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moving.
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>> Sorry.
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» It's I'm a little slow here.
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Where am I missing the
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» Oh, that's what I was doing. Sorry. I
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apologize. I've done this before.
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>> There we go. Okay. Uh, so just from a
[16:33]
general market update, uh, as we've
[16:35]
talked about earlier, uh, the market's
[16:37]
been quite volatile. uh we've seen uh
[16:39]
municipal bonds trading at uh higher
[16:43]
level conditions in the front end of the
[16:44]
yield curve. That's mostly due to uh the
[16:47]
credit of uh certain entities across the
[16:51]
United States as well as across the
[16:53]
world. Uh we believe that that
[16:55]
volatility as well as the uh demand and
[16:58]
inflationary concern has driven the
[17:00]
market up uh considerably. However, when
[17:04]
we compare the market today from where
[17:06]
we are from a historical trend, we are
[17:09]
still near historic averages. What we
[17:11]
traditionally tell our clients when
[17:13]
we're considering capital needs, we let
[17:14]
the project determine when we issued
[17:16]
debt. In this particular case, the
[17:19]
township has capital needs. We've been
[17:21]
planning for these capital projects and
[17:23]
these were going to be spent within a
[17:24]
reasonable period of time and we would
[17:26]
have the flexibility to move on the
[17:28]
transaction when the time comes. We are
[17:30]
anticipating entering the market within
[17:33]
the next month and have the funds
[17:34]
available to you uh sometime around
[17:37]
Thanksgiving.
[17:40]
As a summary, we have a couple of
[17:43]
alternatives here. This is the concept
[17:45]
of the new money as well as the
[17:47]
refinancing. We have two series of bonds
[17:49]
that we may consider. Uh because we're
[17:51]
talking about a borrowing amount that
[17:53]
includes a $24 million capital project
[17:56]
deposit which would be issued over a
[17:58]
20-year period. uh that would be shown
[18:00]
in uh columns three. Uh that would
[18:02]
represent approximately $1,900,000
[18:05]
of annual debt service starting in the
[18:07]
2028 fiscal year. Uh you would have a
[18:11]
short uh stub period in the first year
[18:13]
where you'd have you'd be able to phase
[18:15]
in your debt service in the 2027
[18:18]
calendar year, which means ultimately
[18:20]
you'd pay approximately $665,000
[18:23]
in annual debt service. So, it takes two
[18:25]
years to uh to fill up your capital
[18:28]
improvement plan for your budget and to
[18:30]
allow you to plan for those. You'll
[18:31]
notice on column four uh we're
[18:33]
summarizing the current interest rate
[18:35]
environment and the refinancing
[18:36]
opportunity. Uh when we were hired to
[18:39]
serve as the adviser again several
[18:41]
months ago, uh that opportunity uh
[18:43]
worked quite well. We received uh we
[18:45]
thought we'd save close to $200,000 of
[18:48]
savings at the time, but we still wanted
[18:50]
to plan for this potential refinancing.
[18:52]
So again, as of today, we certainly will
[18:55]
not enter the market if you don't save
[18:57]
any money, but we want to at least
[18:58]
entertain the opportunity if the future
[19:01]
uh provides us that ability to save uh
[19:03]
those funds. Noted in the column on the
[19:06]
right hand left hand side, uh the 3%
[19:09]
representation of savings net of cost is
[19:12]
about $195,000.
[19:15]
we would need a change of about a half
[19:17]
percent in interest rates to produce
[19:19]
those savings uh to represent
[19:21]
approximately 2% net of cost of
[19:23]
issuance. Uh we would need a 40 basis
[19:26]
point reduction. So that's 04%
[19:30]
overall. So a pretty significant change.
[19:32]
However, if you notice from the previous
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graph, we've seen a a a sharp increase
[19:36]
in interest rates. Uh so we believe if
[19:39]
the market does go back in a similar
[19:40]
direction, we would jump on that and
[19:42]
save those funds as expected.
[19:45]
Traditionally in Pennsylvania, when
[19:47]
you're considering a current period of
[19:49]
funding, which is exactly what we're
[19:51]
considering here, the bonds that are
[19:52]
outstanding are past its call date,
[19:54]
meaning you have the option to refinance
[19:56]
them starting in 2024 or way past that.
[19:59]
So in this case, that current period of
[20:01]
funding allows you to uh refinance the
[20:04]
debt and save the funds immediately
[20:06]
without having to wait until the call
[20:08]
date. In Pennsylvania markets and
[20:10]
nationally, a 2% saving threshold is
[20:12]
very normal on a current period of
[20:14]
funding. So we we would suggest and
[20:16]
recommend that may be the path that we
[20:17]
go assuming the market comes back. Our
[20:20]
goal would be to save as much money as
[20:21]
possible, but we think the savings
[20:23]
threshold of 2% is very common in this
[20:25]
particular method of finance. Any
[20:28]
questions on this page?
[20:31]
Okay.
[20:34]
The maximum parameters ordinance uh just
[20:37]
to highlight uh what Adam had uh
[20:39]
described earlier. Uh this gives the
[20:42]
township maximum flexibility to
[20:44]
authorize the debt issuance, move
[20:45]
forward with the financing when the time
[20:47]
comes and there will be no further
[20:50]
action made by the commissioners after
[20:52]
the ordinance is adopted. uh that would
[20:54]
allow us to set us set up a savings
[20:57]
threshold, a maximum borrowing amount, a
[20:59]
maximum final maturity, and a maximum
[21:02]
interest rate. In all of those cases, we
[21:04]
certainly would not expect to go any
[21:06]
further than that. And that's what the
[21:07]
maximum parameters are establishing.
[21:09]
Traditionally, they are much higher than
[21:12]
you anticipate when it comes to the
[21:13]
interest rate, and the maturity would
[21:15]
never go beyond the 20-year period.
[21:20]
In the ordinance that you'll notice uh
[21:23]
these are the established maximum
[21:25]
parameters. So we have it separated by
[21:28]
the uh new money component which is the
[21:30]
series A which is approximately 20 $29
[21:33]
million and the series B which will be
[21:36]
$8 million which represents the
[21:37]
refinancing. In this particular case, uh
[21:40]
that incurrence of debt of 29 million is
[21:43]
a maximum amount. And as we talked about
[21:45]
earlier, we would not entertain any
[21:47]
financing that would produce more than
[21:50]
$24 million of uh proceeds for the
[21:54]
project itself, but we have a higher
[21:56]
borrowing amount to give us flexibility
[21:58]
to restructure the debt after the bond
[21:59]
pricing occurs. I'm happy to answer any
[22:02]
questions related to that. It's a little
[22:04]
unique, but understand the terms and
[22:07]
conditions and the parameters allow us
[22:09]
to do these things, but also we will
[22:11]
come back and work with the township to
[22:13]
make sure it fits within the parameters
[22:14]
that were originally established. We
[22:16]
will not know until the market pricing
[22:19]
if the bonds were sold at a premium or
[22:21]
at a discount. And these parameters
[22:23]
allow us that flexibility of case one
[22:25]
happens versus the other.
[22:28]
>> Yes.
[22:29]
>> So, excuse my ignorance. So when you
[22:30]
talk about series A and series B,
[22:34]
>> you talk about doing it separately or
[22:36]
then the maximum amount combined.
[22:41]
>> It's it's one ordinance but it's broken
[22:43]
up by series because for purposes of how
[22:46]
the Commonwealth will accept it, we have
[22:48]
it separated by what is considered the
[22:50]
new borrowing, the capital needs, and
[22:52]
then the refinancing portion. So in
[22:54]
total there is a larger component for the total project itself but as far
[22:59]
as you're concerned the new money is
[23:01]
related to the $29 million and the
[23:03]
refinancing is associated with the $8
[23:05]
million.
[23:06]
>> Okay. Um but you would be doing just one actual transaction to cover both in
[23:13]
your
[23:15]
>> other committee members with any
[23:17]
questions at this point in the
[23:18]
presentation. There'll be other there'll
[23:19]
be more time to ask questions.
[23:22]
>> Uh President you have a couple questions
[23:24]
so far. Um, so, uh, I guess the first is
[23:29]
it it looks like that you're going to be
[23:31]
asking us to approve, uh, I guess up to
[23:34]
a 5 and a half% yield,
[23:38]
>> which is like what 100 basis points
[23:40]
above where
[23:41]
>> the 20 year
[23:43]
>> in Pennsylvania under the Commonwealth
[23:45]
of Pennsylvania, what is considered the
[23:47]
maximum rate is really the coupon
[23:49]
structure. Okay.
[23:50]
>> Not the yield. But but you're not we're
[23:52]
not pegging whether it's selling at a
[23:53]
premium or discount. So we're the the
[23:55]
parameters is asking us to give you
[23:57]
discretion to sell it at par at five and
[23:59]
a half%. That's what we're
[24:01]
>> as a max parameter. What we would do is
[24:03]
establish in the sales this the sale
[24:05]
itself our notice of sale would have a
[24:07]
maximum coupon and minimum coupon
[24:10]
structure.
[24:11]
>> We wanted we established a higher than
[24:13]
amount in case there was any adjustment
[24:14]
that we needed to make. But as far as
[24:16]
you're concerned, the uh max coupon
[24:19]
can't go above five and a half percent
[24:21]
under these parameters.
[24:22]
>> So if we take max coupon and like the the biggest, you know, like uh
[24:27]
discount allowed, that's going to give
[24:29]
the the a pretty large yield.
[24:31]
>> It's an impossible task to do both
[24:33]
sides. So if you had a 5% coupon Yeah.
[24:36]
and a maximum of $29 million, that would
[24:40]
give you an extreme amount of proceeds.
[24:42]
So we have it established on both
[24:44]
extremes. I I guess I guess my my my
[24:46]
question here is you know the the the
[24:48]
range in which you can execute under
[24:50]
this right which is what we're trying to
[24:52]
trying I'm trying to understand like the
[24:53]
discretion that we're giving you um you
[24:57]
know so
[24:59]
uh it seems like a lot um and maybe you
[25:02]
can help us understand distill it down
[25:03]
to like I I I think of of bond pricing
[25:06]
and and yield to maturity so you can
[25:07]
give it to me that way right like what
[25:09]
are you what what are we you asking us
[25:11]
to improve
[25:12]
>> you're not doing the process of how
[25:14]
you're funding the transaction any
[25:15]
differently than you did in the past.
[25:17]
So, these are competitive internet
[25:19]
auctions.
[25:20]
>> Okay?
[25:20]
>> So, we would have a competitive pricing
[25:23]
>> uh that would establish the coupon and
[25:26]
uh purchase price at the time. So, that
[25:28]
would be the best case scenario because
[25:30]
you're getting the lowest true interest
[25:31]
cost associated with the transaction
[25:33]
first.
[25:35]
Because of the Pennsylvania guidelines
[25:37]
under the local government unit debt
[25:39]
act, if you are pre-authorizing a
[25:41]
transaction, you have to establish these
[25:44]
parameters to get an approval from them
[25:48]
in advance.
[25:49]
>> But again, as your fiduciary and working
[25:52]
with the administration, the end result
[25:55]
will be as described. So, as we get
[25:57]
closer to the pricing, we will be
[25:59]
utilizing our pricing group as well as
[26:02]
our uh market knowledge to provide uh
[26:05]
the administration the estimates of what
[26:07]
the annual payments would look like as
[26:09]
well as the estimates of what the
[26:10]
savings could be if the refinancing were
[26:12]
to occur. Prior to that, we can decide
[26:14]
if we're going to enter the market at
[26:16]
that time. So, we have all the
[26:17]
flexibility and the township and its
[26:19]
staff will have all of the decision
[26:21]
points to make an an informed decision.
[26:24]
So our viewpoint is although you are
[26:27]
pre-approving something that is extreme
[26:29]
understand prior to the entering of the
[26:31]
market we would be working together to
[26:34]
make sure we're fitting within the
[26:35]
standards of what the township is
[26:36]
looking for.
[26:36]
>> Yeah. I know that either Jeremiah or I
[26:38]
have to approve it anyway. So okay. So
[26:41]
yeah. Yes. Uh the the uh I guess the uh
[26:46]
other question is given the volatility
[26:47]
in the bond market like how do you like
[26:50]
what are you looking at to decide when
[26:51]
to enter?
[26:52]
>> Yeah. So the interesting and good part
[26:55]
about working with a firm like PFM uh we
[26:58]
do more bond issuance than any of the
[27:00]
largest banks in the world from a debt
[27:02]
issuance side on the municipal space. So
[27:05]
when we enter the market we actually are
[27:07]
using market knowledge from the work
[27:09]
that we do in both Pennsylvania as well
[27:11]
as the national presence. So we have an
[27:13]
active understanding of the market
[27:16]
conditions when the time comes. We're
[27:18]
using the traditional types of
[27:20]
information that most uh investment
[27:22]
banks would utilize, which includes
[27:24]
information from, you know, Bloomberg
[27:25]
and other outside entities, but most
[27:27]
importantly, we're understanding and
[27:30]
talking to the competitive market
[27:32]
pricing itself. Uh just this week, we
[27:34]
did two competitive auctions, although
[27:36]
not AAA credits. Uh one was a double A
[27:39]
minus credit, one was an A1 credit. Uh
[27:42]
the liquidity is still fantastic in the
[27:44]
competitive market. we had uh multiple
[27:47]
uh biders and multiple syndicates that
[27:49]
uh represented those markets. So we feel
[27:52]
very comfortable that right now there's
[27:54]
a strong liquidity uh for this type of
[27:56]
credit.
[27:57]
>> That's another point you're looking at
[27:58]
is like who's in the market looking to bid.
[28:02]
>> We we very much know that.
[28:03]
>> Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you,
[28:05]
Commissioner.
[28:07]
>> Other committee members
[28:09]
with questions or comments at this
[28:11]
point? Um Jamie, so there will be an
[28:14]
auction as we have uh been been able to
[28:19]
uh observe previously. So that won't
[28:21]
change.
[28:22]
>> Will not change.
[28:22]
>> The dates in the in the calendar you've
[28:24]
shown us are October
[28:27]
21-22.
[28:30]
So is that is there are we going to give
[28:35]
you wider parameters than that or are
[28:37]
those dates that you're
[28:40]
explain that is that are you targeting
[28:41]
those dates?
[28:42]
>> Yeah, we'll we'll work backwards. So
[28:44]
first thing that we have to do of course
[28:45]
is we have to handle the legal action
[28:47]
which is something that we're describing
[28:48]
tonight from an administrative side.
[28:51]
There's two things that need to be
[28:52]
completed. One is the credit rating
[28:54]
process. So, we'll begin that process
[28:56]
using the two credit rating agencies
[28:58]
that the township has traditionally
[29:00]
used. That process does take a couple of
[29:03]
weeks to go through the review and the
[29:05]
phone call as well as their committee
[29:08]
process. That driver there allows us to
[29:11]
continue to move the process forward to
[29:13]
determine when to hit the market. So
[29:16]
from our perspective, we're working
[29:17]
toward when we think we'll get the
[29:19]
credit ratings in place and when the
[29:20]
earliest we think we can enter the
[29:22]
market from a timing standpoint. That
[29:25]
21st 22nd is that time. Having the max
[29:29]
parameters established in this
[29:30]
particular case doesn't mean we will
[29:32]
enter the market on the 21st or 22nd.
[29:34]
It's just the time that we're building
[29:36]
toward because of the time associated
[29:38]
with the administrative side. Uh we
[29:41]
would mark on our calendar. We're using
[29:43]
our PFM auction platform which is the
[29:46]
platform that would do the internet
[29:47]
auction. So we do want to establish a
[29:49]
date for that market. We have no
[29:51]
problems conserns that we there will be
[29:54]
lots of people on those days but
[29:55]
understand that we do have to name some
[29:57]
times for purposes of planning. If we do
[30:00]
in fact decide to move forward on those
[30:02]
dates, we would be having conversations
[30:04]
with the team making final decisions and
[30:07]
the auction would occur as it normally
[30:09]
would where it traditionally be around
[30:11]
11:00. uh the auction would take about
[30:13]
15 20 minutes. If there's multiple
[30:15]
biders, it could get extended, but in
[30:17]
this particular case, that date in which
[30:19]
you decide hasn't formally been decided
[30:22]
at this point, but we think this is a a
[30:24]
good uh preliminary timeline.
[30:27]
>> Um up until now, the the the auction
[30:30]
date has always been a Wednesday.
[30:32]
With the parameters ordinance, can the
[30:34]
auction date be any day of the week
[30:36]
>> except for Friday? Yeah, we we
[30:38]
traditionally want to find a time where
[30:40]
there's uh either activity that is
[30:43]
strong for the market itself. So we have
[30:46]
biders that are uh from across the
[30:48]
country. So we uh try to do it at a time
[30:50]
where it's not following a a major
[30:52]
weekend or holiday event. Uh
[30:54]
traditionally we like Tuesdays through
[30:56]
Thursdays. We certainly have done them
[30:58]
on Mondays, certainly not Fridays, but
[31:00]
we find the times in between the week
[31:02]
and we of course look at the market um
[31:05]
calendars. uh you feds meeting at a
[31:07]
certain time, maybe there's major job
[31:08]
reports or those type of things that are
[31:10]
coming down the road. We kind of work
[31:11]
around those time periods as well. So to
[31:14]
your point, Wednesday could be a good
[31:16]
day, but it may not be the right day uh
[31:18]
if the market uh doesn't prevail for
[31:20]
that time. Previously, our approach was
[31:22]
it had to be a Wednesday
[31:25]
because we meet on Wednesdays and we had
[31:27]
to approve the results of the auction
[31:30]
that evening. So now we don't have to do
[31:32]
that because it's a pre-approval
[31:34]
process.
[31:35]
>> Exactly. Right. Okay, why don't you
[31:37]
proceed with your presentation and we
[31:39]
can continue to ask questions.
[31:40]
>> No, I appreciate all are welcome to ask
[31:42]
questions in the course of this
[31:43]
presentation.
[31:44]
>> Exactly. We're actually getting pretty
[31:45]
close to the end anyway. So, uh, you
[31:47]
know, just hitting through the
[31:48]
highlights of where we are. We're about
[31:50]
halfway done with the process. uh the
[31:52]
administrative team from PFM as well as
[31:55]
the township manager and finance team uh
[31:57]
have been working toward getting the
[31:59]
preliminary official statement prepared
[32:01]
and we be be uh entertaining uh rating
[32:04]
calls over the next week or so. Uh we
[32:06]
would be preparing a credit rating
[32:08]
presentation that would highlight all of
[32:11]
the great things that are happening at
[32:12]
the township within the county both on
[32:14]
the economic conditions as well as the
[32:16]
financials of the township. uh we we
[32:19]
would also use that time to answer any
[32:21]
particular questions that the credit
[32:22]
rating would would have. Uh they've been
[32:25]
very standard these days. They ask the
[32:27]
type of similar questions, but they
[32:28]
certainly focus on the things that
[32:29]
matter, which is what do we think the
[32:31]
township will look like in the future?
[32:33]
Uh and this is a great story to tell,
[32:35]
and we're looking forward to that
[32:36]
conversation. uh once that uh credit
[32:38]
rating uh discussion happens uh we'd be
[32:41]
working with the finance team to finish
[32:42]
up the preliminary official statement
[32:44]
which is the document that helps uh find
[32:46]
the investors and ultimately be used for
[32:48]
our internet auction and as you'll see
[32:50]
we have uh asked you to consider the
[32:53]
parameters ordinance on the October 14th
[32:55]
meeting uh that you know does allow for
[32:57]
that ability to after that to enter the
[33:00]
market anytime thereafter
[33:03]
uh we would have some uh post
[33:04]
advertisements associated with it but
[33:06]
again From our perspective, we're in a
[33:09]
good place. We've uh hit all of the
[33:11]
highlights. The everything is looking
[33:12]
very doing very well for the township
[33:14]
and uh we anticipate uh moving at a at a
[33:17]
good pace.
[33:19]
Outside of that, once the the bonds are
[33:21]
sold, about a month later is when the
[33:23]
funds are available to you uh for
[33:25]
settlement. And then the funds will be
[33:27]
either to be reimbursed if you use that
[33:29]
reimbursement resolution or deposited
[33:31]
into a construction fund uh for the
[33:32]
capital needs.
[33:35]
So, we're routing third on the
[33:37]
transaction itself, but we think we're
[33:40]
uh you know, we've done all the the
[33:41]
major uh highlights at this point in
[33:42]
time. We feel very good about it.
[33:46]
Questions? All right. Thank you. Um um
[33:49]
Adam, do you have any more to present on this item? Okay. So, stay there. Um
[33:54]
is there any member of the public with
[33:56]
us this evening that has any questions
[33:58]
or comments? Okay, seeing none, we're back to committee members with
[34:02]
questions or comments. Um so
[34:07]
this parameter the parameters ordinance
[34:10]
going forward if we like this process
[34:15]
each time we go to issue new debt it
[34:19]
would take a parameters ordinance it's
[34:21]
not a permanent it's unique to an
[34:23]
issuance
[34:24]
>> correct
[34:25]
>> if we don't like it we can go back to
[34:26]
our prior uh Wednesdays only we have to
[34:30]
approve it that evening
[34:31]
>> that's exactly right
[34:32]
>> and did you say that um there are many
[34:36]
municipal issuers of debt who use a
[34:38]
parameters ordinance approach.
[34:39]
>> Yeah, I would say most local governments
[34:41]
in Pennsylvania use the parameters
[34:42]
approach.
[34:44]
>> Okay. Well, thank you for uh
[34:46]
recommending that, but I guess that we
[34:48]
we'll find out if that's the right way
[34:50]
to go, but uh sounds like from your
[34:52]
experience and and and that of many
[34:54]
others that it is. So, okay, committee
[34:56]
members with questions or comments um on
[35:00]
this.
[35:02]
Okay.
[35:04]
Um, do we want to provide feedback?
[35:09]
We've been asked whether we want to go
[35:11]
have a threshold of 2% in order to
[35:15]
proceed with a refunding. We typically
[35:18]
have a threshold of 3%. And you said in
[35:21]
your presentation
[35:23]
um that the 3% would essentially
[35:28]
generate 200,000 in savings. 2% net
[35:31]
present value savings would be 130,000
[35:34]
estimated.
[35:35]
>> Yes.
[35:36]
>> Um and you are you recommending 2%.
[35:39]
>> I'm recommending that the threshold be
[35:42]
2%. uh the competitive sale itself will
[35:45]
obviously generate the most savings as
[35:48]
possible and we want to make sure it
[35:49]
fits within those parameters.
[35:52]
Traditionally, rule of thumb for current
[35:54]
period refundings, which is what this
[35:56]
is, 2% is the traditional savings
[35:58]
threshold. If this was done as an
[36:00]
advanced refunding, which aren't allowed
[36:02]
anymore for tax exempt purposes, 3%'s
[36:04]
the standard. So that is a change since
[36:06]
2017 when tax reform occurred. So we
[36:09]
suggest that 2% be the threshold for
[36:11]
this particular transaction. Um Adam and
[36:13]
Ernie with any recommendation on this.
[36:16]
>> We concur with the 2% parameter if it
[36:19]
makes sense here.
[36:22]
>> Other other committee members with
[36:24]
thoughts on this the I think the
[36:26]
recommendation of our of our FA and our
[36:29]
management team um makes sense to me.
[36:33]
others.
[36:36]
Okay. Um I don't think that's in the um
[36:40]
well I know it's not in the uh in the
[36:43]
motion that was made but uh you're
[36:45]
getting a a sense of the of the
[36:47]
committee. Is that sufficient?
[36:49]
>> It is.
[36:49]
>> Okay. Um seeing no more questions or
[36:52]
comments. Commissioner Bernhard,
[36:54]
>> does that I apologize. Does that thing
[36:55]
then go into the parameters ordinance
[36:58]
itself?
[36:59]
>> It does.
[36:59]
>> Right. Okay.
[37:02]
So, the motion has been made and
[37:05]
seconded. All those in favor, raise your
[37:07]
hand.
[37:08]
Are there any opposed? Are there any
[37:11]
abstensions? Okay. Um, that motion
[37:14]
passes unanimously. Um, Jamie and PFM,
[37:18]
thank you very much. Appreciate it.
[37:20]
>> We will now move on to the fourth and
[37:22]
final item of tonight's finance
[37:24]
committee agenda.
[37:26]
And that is on page
[37:30]
63 of your finance committee packet.
[37:34]
That is for the committee to consider
[37:36]
authorization to advertise an ordinance
[37:40]
uh which would increase our solid waste
[37:43]
fees for fiscal year 2027.
[37:47]
I will move that the finance committee
[37:49]
recommend to the board of commissioners
[37:51]
authorizing the township secretary to
[37:53]
advertise notice of intent to adopt an
[37:56]
ordinance to amend the code of the
[37:58]
township of lower Maran chapter A167
[38:01]
fees to provide for a 14% increase in
[38:05]
fees relating to the collection of solid
[38:08]
waste from residential properties for
[38:11]
each subscription level and all optional
[38:14]
rear yard collection.
[38:16]
service levels effective January 1,
[38:20]
2027. Do I have a second?
[38:26]
I do. From Commissioner Sparrow. Okay.
[38:29]
The motion has been made and seconded.
[38:31]
Adam, can you tell us more?
[38:42]
Can you show us more?
[38:46]
I will tell and show more. Uh so
[38:49]
tonight's presentation uh will review
[38:53]
the solid waste fund including
[38:55]
subscription and financial history as
[38:56]
well as our options for the fund moving
[38:59]
into 2027.
[39:09]
By way of background, solid waste fund
[39:11]
is an enterprise fund uh with the intent
[39:13]
to uh recover full cost recovery via
[39:16]
user fees and other revenues. Township's
[39:19]
financial policy calls for the township
[39:21]
to strive to maintain a 10% fund balance
[39:24]
uh for the fund. although it's financial
[39:25]
position that has been difficult in the
[39:27]
last few years. Uh the refuge division
[39:30]
uh provides trash and recycling
[39:31]
collection uh services for over 16,900
[39:36]
residential accounts uh in uh collects
[39:39]
annually 15,000 tons of trash as well as
[39:42]
5,000 tons of uh recycled material.
[39:51]
And this slide just shows graphically
[39:52]
the history of that tonnage. uh after a
[39:55]
decade of tonnage decline in refuge uh
[39:59]
tonnage, it's been relatively flat since
[40:01]
2014 at that 15,000 tonnage threshold
[40:05]
with the exception of the COVID spike uh
[40:08]
that you see in the early 2020s.
[40:16]
And the operations that it takes to
[40:18]
provide these services include the
[40:20]
weekly operations of six refuge crews
[40:22]
and five recycling crews Monday through
[40:24]
Friday, as well as smaller trucks at
[40:27]
Service Township facilities. Uh the
[40:30]
operations staff uh overseeing the
[40:33]
operations. Uh we also have the special
[40:35]
trash pickup crew on Thursdays, uh which
[40:38]
is part of the the regular staff that go
[40:40]
out on Thursdays for those special trash
[40:42]
pickup runs as needed. We also have the
[40:45]
seasonal operations of leaf collection,
[40:47]
weekend cleanups, hazardous and e-waste
[40:50]
events.
[40:55]
So, a history of the solid waste fee
[40:58]
itself is shown here uh with several
[41:01]
years before and after the 2021 fee
[41:03]
restructuring that occurred. Um, not
[41:06]
going to belver too many of the
[41:08]
individual numbers here, but just by way
[41:10]
of how much these costs have grown. Um,
[41:13]
since the restructuring, Minican has
[41:15]
grown by about 3.2% annually or or I'm
[41:19]
sorry, 3.5 a little bit higher on the
[41:22]
standard 4.1% compound annual growth
[41:25]
rate and the enhanced uh 5.3%.
[41:33]
This is a breakdown of our 2026
[41:35]
subscriptions.
[41:38]
The um
[41:42]
most of our subscriptions of course are
[41:43]
in the minan and standard uh comprising
[41:46]
14 and 78% respectively. Um the optional
[41:52]
rear yard service skews slightly the
[41:54]
other way with enhanced uh subscriptions
[41:57]
making up nearly 20% of this optional
[41:59]
service.
[42:04]
This has been changing over time. Uh so
[42:08]
particularly um with rate increases
[42:11]
which are the years highlighted here. We
[42:14]
do see uh either new accounts, not new
[42:17]
accounts but new residents maybe
[42:19]
updating this subscription from the
[42:21]
prior resident uh as well as people
[42:24]
downsizing their subscriptions when they
[42:26]
can. Uh, for example, in 2011, the
[42:30]
oldest year here shown, uh, many can
[42:33]
subscriptions only made up 7.6% of our
[42:36]
overall subscription. Today, they're
[42:38]
14%. Enhanced subscriptions in 2011 were
[42:42]
almost 1 in4 uh, subscriptions. Today,
[42:45]
it's 8%.
[42:47]
And the standard has grown uh, by about
[42:49]
10 percentage points during that time.
[42:58]
The solid waste fund has been the fund
[43:00]
most significantly impacted from various
[43:02]
cost pressures that we'll explore in the
[43:03]
upcoming slides. The fund started this
[43:06]
year with a very minimal fund balance as
[43:08]
we discussed at the end of last year uh
[43:11]
and is only ending this year with
[43:12]
$190,000 surplus due to the inclusion of
[43:15]
a $900,000 onetime transfer in of
[43:18]
unrestricted ARP interest earnings to
[43:20]
help the fund this year. Without any
[43:23]
action, the fund is projected to have a
[43:25]
$ 1.3 million deficit due to the
[43:27]
increased costs in the fund and the lack
[43:28]
of one-time options for it going
[43:31]
forward.
[43:37]
This slide just shows a breakdown of
[43:40]
those costs in the past few years and
[43:42]
against budget. Um we are projecting
[43:46]
slightly higher labor costs than
[43:48]
anticipated uh due to um mostly needing
[43:52]
to use other divisions uh for staffing
[43:55]
shortages. There really are no vacancy
[43:57]
savings in this fund um to provide the
[44:00]
service at the level uh that we expect
[44:03]
uh as well as slightly higher co-mingled
[44:05]
recycling costs than were budgeted.
[44:07]
revenue is projected to come in at
[44:09]
budget with no notable deviations uh
[44:12]
outside of some reduced recycling
[44:14]
revenue grant from the state uh being
[44:16]
offset by other miscellaneous revenue.
[44:19]
Um not from a budget to budget
[44:22]
perspective, but also note uh I'll
[44:23]
discuss later the paper recycling line
[44:25]
item dropping notably from over 200,000
[44:29]
in 2025 to only 55,000 in 2026.
[44:39]
So this graphic provides a long range
[44:41]
trajectory of the solid waste fund
[44:44]
revenues and expenses um from 2015
[44:48]
through the current period and it really
[44:50]
drives uh that the change in 2022
[44:55]
that has impacted this fund uh prior to
[44:59]
2022 costs grew uh at a very low rate of
[45:04]
about 1.3%
[45:06]
Since then, 2022 to 2027 uh expenses
[45:09]
have gone up
[45:11]
32% or just almost 6% yeartoyear.
[45:17]
Uh the 2022 to 27 revenue uh increase
[45:20]
without any f
[45:23]
additional rate increases for 27 would
[45:25]
only be 2 and a.5% during that time
[45:27]
period um on an annualized basis.
[45:31]
The dotted lines on the graphic uh just
[45:35]
provide a visualization of the one-time
[45:38]
waiverss of expenses and onetime
[45:40]
revenues that we've used in the past two
[45:42]
years to temporarily help the fund.
[45:50]
This graphic shows uh the
[45:54]
rate trajectory for our
[45:58]
refues and recycling
[46:00]
unit costs. So most of our costs are of
[46:03]
course the red line which goes up over
[46:06]
time but a much smaller pace. Uh that's
[46:09]
our refuge collection which is just
[46:11]
under $100 per ton this year
[46:15]
and will grow by 4% uh contractually in
[46:18]
the next few years each year. Recycling
[46:21]
rates uh here are shown what we
[46:24]
ultimately pay which is the market plus
[46:26]
our haulers fixed costs. So the
[46:29]
co-mingled recycling in blue uh we had a
[46:32]
very good market that drove down our
[46:34]
costs. We even received some revenue for
[46:36]
our co-mingled recycling products uh
[46:39]
during some stretches of time in late
[46:40]
2021 and early 2022.
[46:43]
Excuse me.
[46:45]
Um our most recent contract has helped
[46:47]
somewhat. You see a small decline from a
[46:50]
very high uh record high number at the
[46:52]
end of 2025 into 2026 with the new
[46:55]
hauler. Um but the overall recycling
[46:58]
market is still not very strong. Uh
[47:02]
paper also had a similar trajectory
[47:04]
where we were getting uh very high rates
[47:08]
uh of revenue on our paper recycling uh
[47:12]
which is shown as a negative here. So
[47:13]
the lower the more revenue we got. Um
[47:18]
there are minimal local buyers of our
[47:21]
paper and cardboard products which saw
[47:24]
little competition in the last time we
[47:25]
went to the market for that contract. Uh
[47:27]
so much of the movement you see from 25
[47:29]
to 26 uh going towards $0, it's it's uh
[47:34]
you know in the $25 range currently per
[47:36]
ton uh was just the change in that
[47:41]
contract. We used to get a premium on
[47:43]
the market price for our paper products
[47:45]
and now we uh pay a slight fee uh for
[47:49]
the service of uh having it hauled away.
[47:55]
So overall our solid waste fee revenues
[47:59]
the fees themselves represent almost 90%
[48:01]
of fund revenues. Uh this total solid
[48:04]
waste revenue growth is is constrained
[48:07]
and uh absent additional fee increases
[48:09]
or the uh growth of non fee revenue uh
[48:13]
that has troubled us and actually has
[48:15]
gone the opposite way in the past few
[48:17]
years. As I highlight here and noted
[48:19]
before, our recycling uh contract uh has
[48:23]
reduced that revenue potential. Uh we
[48:26]
also saw some changes to the way that
[48:28]
the PAP
[48:31]
uh considers multi-municipal
[48:34]
uh
[48:35]
solicitations for their grant award. Uh
[48:38]
so we receive less in that grant money
[48:40]
by about 20,000 a year. Um and charges
[48:44]
from services are growth are minimal at
[48:46]
best. We've already implemented
[48:48]
cleanup weekend charge and have it
[48:50]
increased our cost recovery fees for
[48:52]
special pickup which do help uh but at
[48:54]
the margins compared to the deficit that
[48:57]
we are looking at ahead.
[49:00]
Just to touch upon the cleanup weekend
[49:02]
uh since that was discussed at the end
[49:04]
of last year which entails uh a crew of
[49:06]
about 16 employees on Saturday and
[49:09]
Sunday uh providing that service we
[49:12]
institute a $20 per entry fee for that
[49:14]
weekend. Uh car counts notably declined
[49:18]
uh by 60%. Tonnage declined by 40%. The
[49:21]
average tonnage uh was $155
[49:27]
per car. You go any other weekend and
[49:29]
spend $20, that will buy you $140
[49:33]
uh of of drop off. Um so this fee
[49:38]
reduced our cost ultimately. We had no
[49:40]
revenue against it. it turned a $86,000
[49:43]
uh net cost to the township down to
[49:46]
approximately 40. So considerable
[49:47]
decline in the attendance really
[49:49]
prevented that full cost recovery. Um
[49:51]
that was probably always difficult but
[49:55]
um I think we're expecting
[49:58]
not quite that decline that we saw
[50:05]
on the expenditure side of the ledger.
[50:07]
Um the several factors have driven that
[50:12]
co those costs to grow 32% from 22 to
[50:15]
27. We did add a crew that helped
[50:18]
operations in 2023, but that on top of
[50:20]
the overall wage growth since that time
[50:22]
and healthc care cost increases have
[50:24]
added up. Um you'll see on the next
[50:27]
slide visually the significant increase
[50:29]
in vehicle replacement costs um for
[50:32]
these vehicles. Um, we also had a period
[50:35]
of time in which
[50:37]
we were had orders out for a year or two
[50:40]
on end. So, we had to maintain aging
[50:42]
vehicle. So, at the same time, we were
[50:44]
trying to uh recover future costs to
[50:48]
replace uh that fleet that's becoming
[50:50]
more expensive. We also had the
[50:52]
maintenance costs as we waited for those
[50:54]
vehicles to come in.
[50:58]
And this visually just shows that um
[51:00]
with those vehicle charges to the fund
[51:03]
growing very fast from 22 to 2025 and
[51:06]
have leveled out since then now that
[51:08]
we're able to get those vehicles in and
[51:10]
maintenance costs have relieved and
[51:11]
we're kind of in the new normal of what
[51:13]
those vehicles cost uh to to get as well
[51:17]
as the labor cost growth in the fund
[51:19]
growing about 37% uh since 2022.
[51:28]
So the need to address the large deficit
[51:30]
requires a significant rate increase
[51:31]
and/or subsidy from the general fund.
[51:34]
this screen. There are several rate
[51:35]
levels at various increases uh with the
[51:38]
finance committee's recommended 14% in
[51:40]
the middle uh which would constitute an
[51:42]
increase uh to the many can subscription
[51:45]
of $42,
[51:47]
an increase to the standard subscription
[51:48]
to $65 and an increase to the enhanced
[51:52]
subscription of $96 for 2027.
[51:58]
If we were to raise rates and not
[52:01]
require any general fund subsidy, we
[52:03]
would be in that we'd be talking about
[52:05]
that 15 to 17.5% uh range.
[52:13]
So the finance committee officers uh did
[52:16]
meet to review uh the status of this
[52:19]
fund and in our conversations
[52:22]
we came are coming to the board this
[52:24]
evening with the recommendation of a 14%
[52:28]
rate increase for 2027. a general fund
[52:32]
transfer in subsidy for the 2027 year,
[52:35]
currently projected at 140,000 uh to
[52:37]
keep this uh fund at a budget neutral
[52:41]
position uh in 2027. Um and to uh review
[52:46]
whether the two cleanup weekends in the
[52:48]
spring are warranted with a reduced uh
[52:50]
utilization of the weekend service.
[52:55]
With those two recommended changes,
[52:58]
uh the 2027 projected financials are are
[53:02]
in front of you, uh which would retain
[53:04]
an approximate $300,000 fund balance at
[53:06]
year end.
[53:10]
Any
[53:14]
solid waste, any solid waste fee
[53:16]
increase of course requires an ordinance
[53:18]
that's before you for uh authorization
[53:20]
to advertise tonight uh to be voted on
[53:23]
uh prior to the end of October. Um,
[53:27]
as past practice with fee increases, we
[53:32]
will send out a mailing to go out to
[53:34]
each customer to verify their current
[53:38]
subscription and provide a option uh to
[53:42]
switch if they do have a subscription
[53:44]
level uh that's higher than they
[53:46]
ultimately need at this time. And the
[53:49]
2027 solid waste bill is included on the
[53:51]
tax bill which is mailed at the end of
[53:53]
January.
[53:58]
happy to answer any questions you have.
[54:00]
>> Do any members of the public with us
[54:01]
this evening have any questions or
[54:03]
comments on this item? Seeing none,
[54:07]
thank you very much, Adam. There's a lot
[54:09]
that you have presented on this topic.
[54:12]
Needless to say, it's an enormously
[54:14]
challenging issue. Uh the finance
[54:17]
committee officers, commissioners
[54:19]
Courtourtney and Sparrow and myself
[54:21]
along with staff uh went through this in
[54:25]
depth at a recent meeting which was
[54:28]
which followed our in-depth meeting on
[54:31]
considering changes to our fund balance
[54:33]
policy which we recently voted on. Um
[54:38]
tonight is an authorization to advertise
[54:40]
so there would be another vote in
[54:42]
October.
[54:44]
Volume has been flat essentially since
[54:47]
2014
[54:50]
for refues. Costs are up. Other revenue
[54:54]
is down.
[54:56]
Um our goal
[54:59]
is that this
[55:01]
annual review of the solid waste fund is
[55:04]
to be able to say that fees would
[55:07]
increase no more than inflation. But
[55:11]
we're not there because of these
[55:13]
different difficult impacts
[55:16]
um on this fund. We would like to get
[55:19]
there. Um
[55:22]
you know the changes we implemented a
[55:24]
year ago. Uh we'd also
[55:27]
committee recommends that we only have
[55:30]
one spring cleanup weekend and not two
[55:33]
pending
[55:35]
uh the data that will be coming from the
[55:37]
next cleanup weekend which is uh on
[55:40]
October
[55:42]
first weekend of October
[55:44]
>> second. Yeah.
[55:46]
>> Second or third.
[55:47]
>> So shortly after that staff will provide
[55:51]
an update for our review. But we think
[55:54]
that the data is going to demonstrate
[55:56]
that one cleanup weekend in the spring
[55:58]
is all that is needed. So
[56:03]
that's what's before us. Do committee
[56:05]
members have questions or comments?
[56:08]
Commissioner Bernheim.
[56:10]
>> Thank you very much, Commissioner. Um I
[56:14]
am sure there was, you know, a lot of um
[56:17]
a lot of review to come up with a 14%
[56:20]
increase.
[56:22]
you know that
[56:24]
in one realm that's like a sticker shock
[56:27]
type number in another the actual cost
[56:31]
itself and I I just look at where most
[56:34]
people just at the the one camp isn't
[56:36]
probably outrageous if you were to find
[56:39]
other municipalities that use um private
[56:44]
services to go go ahead and do it. Uh
[56:47]
but the the question still comes all
[56:49]
right where else might we be able to
[56:52]
find some element of cost savings? If
[56:56]
anybody was doing some back of the
[56:58]
napkin math when we went through the
[57:01]
recent budget workshop, uh they
[57:04]
recognize we're talking plus or minus at
[57:08]
least, you know, 5% tax increase and 14%
[57:12]
um you know, solid weight waste fund.
[57:15]
So, I I take a look at this and I see,
[57:18]
for example, the um labor costs jumping
[57:23]
um doing quick math here now about 5 and
[57:27]
a half%.
[57:29]
What What's the driver for that?
[57:34]
>> Well, we know currently that our
[57:38]
healthcare utilization is at 12% above
[57:41]
expected for 2026.
[57:43]
So that's a big driver of that being
[57:45]
above any uh wage increase
[57:50]
projections that we have in there and
[57:52]
that's kind of driving it uh as well uh
[57:55]
is that healthcare. We don't know what
[57:56]
it is yet of course. Um so and that's part of it. We put in that 12% on
[58:04]
health care because that's where our
[58:06]
utilization is right now. Um, and I
[58:10]
don't want to be in a position where I
[58:11]
come back and say I had a pretty bad
[58:14]
projection on that that it was, you
[58:15]
know, I did six when I knew our
[58:17]
utilization was at 12.
[58:20]
>> Um, all right.
[58:21]
>> Do you want to add?
[58:22]
>> So, I mean, Adam, it's basically the
[58:25]
combination of some kind of guess as to
[58:29]
where wages will go next year
[58:31]
>> and then combine in a double digit
[58:34]
expected healthc care premium increase.
[58:36]
the two of them combined then raise it
[58:39]
>> raise it. Yeah. I mean I when I was
[58:41]
looking at it maybe you know missing the insurance item I was thinking what
[58:46]
my crystal ball said that that WA
[58:49]
increase would be not adding the
[58:51]
insurance component to it. Um yet
[58:54]
hopefully that's a a higher estimate
[58:57]
than reality but we won't know until
[58:58]
that occurs. Um, in reference to vehicle
[59:01]
charges, uh, and and the expenses there,
[59:04]
we still use these also as snow plows,
[59:09]
any of the trucks, we do we used to
[59:11]
>> we we will bring them out in a heavier
[59:13]
snow and put plows on them and we'll use
[59:16]
them to plows main arteries.
[59:19]
>> They're not in every snowstorm obviously
[59:21]
only the only the bigger snowstorms that
[59:23]
require a lot of extensive plowing. So,
[59:26]
this may be more of an accounting um
[59:28]
question because dollars in and dollars
[59:30]
out at the end of the day um are still
[59:32]
dollars. Uh since it's used then for
[59:36]
public works, does some of those charges
[59:38]
go over to public works budget versus um
[59:42]
the solid waste fund?
[59:43]
>> Yeah, Adam tracks it going both ways. So
[59:47]
at times public works uh highway
[59:49]
division is helping uh is helping pick
[59:52]
up trash when we're short personnel and
[59:55]
trash and then of course when
[59:58]
refuge employees are helping the other
[1:00:00]
way we track that as well.
[1:00:01]
>> All right. So it's um net nothing.
[1:00:05]
>> Okay.
[1:00:05]
>> I'm not sure we charge I don't I don't
[1:00:07]
think we charge by the day for the
[1:00:09]
vehicles but certainly the labor costs
[1:00:11]
go both ways when they service each
[1:00:13]
other.
[1:00:13]
>> Um all right. So then as opposed to me
[1:00:18]
um doing some guesswork here, is there
[1:00:21]
anything else that you have thought of
[1:00:23]
where we might be able to trim some of
[1:00:25]
the cost? So potentially the increase
[1:00:28]
we're looking at would be less than 14%.
[1:00:32]
One or two things that we've already
[1:00:33]
done, I didn't mention in here, but we
[1:00:35]
did an audit of both of our recycling
[1:00:37]
contracts to make sure that we're
[1:00:39]
getting paid
[1:00:41]
the appropriate amount based on the
[1:00:42]
market um going back a few years on our
[1:00:45]
paper recycling contract and that that
[1:00:48]
worked out. Um
[1:00:50]
and we also did an audit recently with
[1:00:53]
our comingled hauler of our um the split
[1:00:59]
of our uh comingled recycling because if
[1:01:04]
we saw any notable movement in the high
[1:01:08]
value plastics and the aluminum that
[1:01:11]
would help us because basically it's
[1:01:14]
costly to do those o
[1:01:17]
frequently. Um, so
[1:01:21]
you your contract is basically has fixed
[1:01:24]
uh split of your different coingled
[1:01:26]
products based on past history. Um, we
[1:01:30]
looked at that just to see if there were
[1:01:32]
going to be any gains and I'm happy to
[1:01:34]
say that our cost went down by 20 cents
[1:01:36]
per ton uh because our numbers were
[1:01:39]
pretty good and we saw a little bit of
[1:01:40]
switch. The thing that we did learn in
[1:01:43]
that process that certainly we're going
[1:01:45]
to have with public information um is
[1:01:48]
that when they receive
[1:01:51]
recycling products in garbage bags,
[1:01:55]
that's residue that's thrown out. It's a
[1:01:58]
public it's a safety hazard for them to
[1:02:00]
open up those bags um because they don't
[1:02:02]
know what's in them. Um so that is
[1:02:06]
something that we're going to hit on the
[1:02:08]
public information side. It's on the
[1:02:10]
margins, but I'd say that please do not
[1:02:12]
put your recycling in trash bags. Uh
[1:02:15]
save there. Um
[1:02:17]
>> you you have mentioned that before and I
[1:02:18]
think it's incumbent upon all of us in
[1:02:20]
whatever vehicles, be it the
[1:02:23]
commissioners or the township app to
[1:02:25]
educate people because they just don't
[1:02:26]
know.
[1:02:27]
>> Yeah. So those are some of the things
[1:02:28]
that we we've taken a look at. Um yeah,
[1:02:31]
it's
[1:02:33]
the hard thing is it's it's a hard
[1:02:35]
business in this part of the state. A
[1:02:38]
lot of people are dealing with these
[1:02:39]
cost increases. Um, and it's always
[1:02:42]
incumbent upon us to find other cost
[1:02:44]
savings areas and something that we're
[1:02:46]
going to be looking hard at and have
[1:02:47]
looked hard at.
[1:02:48]
>> And and then of course there's the paper
[1:02:50]
recycling the actual for 2025 228,000
[1:02:54]
and looking at 55,000 in 2026.
[1:02:59]
That not going to rebound according to
[1:03:02]
your crystal ball. Well, we have a a
[1:03:05]
contract uh in hand. We can decide to
[1:03:08]
extend it or not, but if we don't extend
[1:03:10]
it, we have to go back to the market.
[1:03:11]
And you know, I'll knock down every door
[1:03:13]
to try and find another buyer of our
[1:03:17]
uh recycling. But um in talking with our
[1:03:21]
com, they were not surprised that we
[1:03:24]
only got one bit.
[1:03:26]
>> Okay. Thank you very much, Commissioner
[1:03:28]
Zah. No other talk.
[1:03:33]
Yeah.
[1:03:33]
>> Well, we do need to try and find a
[1:03:35]
little humor in this. So, um, other
[1:03:37]
committee members with questions or
[1:03:39]
comments.
[1:03:42]
>> President sign off.
[1:03:43]
>> Thanks, Commissioner Z. Uh, so, Adam,
[1:03:45]
just a question. Um, you you had
[1:03:48]
mentioned that the township
[1:03:50]
um practice had been a 10% fund balance
[1:03:54]
for emergencies and contingencies.
[1:03:58]
I just wasn't quite sure what an
[1:04:00]
emergency or contingency would be in
[1:04:01]
this fund. Um
[1:04:04]
you when we had looked at the uh the
[1:04:07]
fund balance policy like one of the
[1:04:08]
things that you had showed us was just
[1:04:09]
how much volatility there was and I
[1:04:11]
don't know if you have a sense of like
[1:04:13]
the historic volatility in this fund so
[1:04:14]
we can you calibrate.
[1:04:16]
>> It doesn't really have any volatility.
[1:04:18]
Okay. To be honest I think that carries
[1:04:20]
more from it's in the policy along with
[1:04:22]
the sanitary sewer fund which certainly
[1:04:25]
could have its emergencies. um and also
[1:04:28]
carries debt so it has a much more
[1:04:30]
strong
[1:04:31]
fund balance you know threshold in my
[1:04:33]
mind.
[1:04:34]
>> Okay.
[1:04:34]
>> Compared to this.
[1:04:35]
>> So so there there there's like there's
[1:04:37]
nothing in practice there's like nothing
[1:04:38]
we need to buffer against in this that
[1:04:40]
>> and technically you know our compactor
[1:04:42]
uh which mostly provides services to the
[1:04:45]
refugees uh is not
[1:04:48]
that's part of our CIP. It doesn't get
[1:04:51]
put into the the the solid waste fund.
[1:04:54]
So, in theory, the general fund is
[1:04:56]
subsidizing uh some of that capital.
[1:04:59]
>> Okay, perfect.
[1:05:01]
>> Thank you. Yeah, and I I I sent a bunch
[1:05:02]
of questions earlier that I'm just not
[1:05:04]
going to repeat tonight. Suffice it to
[1:05:05]
say that uh it was a impressive u piece
[1:05:09]
of work that that you and the the uh the
[1:05:12]
chairs and vice chairs of the finance
[1:05:14]
committee did uh working on this and
[1:05:16]
thinking it through. So, so thank you
[1:05:18]
everyone. Thanks, Commissioner Zoff.
[1:05:20]
Adam, just to reiterate what you said,
[1:05:22]
the sanitary sewer fund does carry debt.
[1:05:25]
This fund, the solid waste fund, carries
[1:05:27]
no debt.
[1:05:30]
>> Okay. Other committee members with
[1:05:32]
questions or comments.
[1:05:36]
» Commissioner Kramer, do you have your
[1:05:37]
hand up? I can't tell.
[1:05:38]
>> Yes.
[1:05:39]
>> Okay.
[1:05:40]
>> Yes, I do.
[1:05:42]
Um, I have spoken about what I view as
[1:05:46]
some inequities in the way in which this
[1:05:50]
these fees are structured each year for
[1:05:53]
a couple of years. And I'm not going to
[1:05:55]
reiterate everything that I have said,
[1:05:57]
but I think that
[1:05:59]
it's important to realize that there are
[1:06:01]
many residents
[1:06:03]
who even before these proposed increases
[1:06:06]
are paying more in solid solid waste
[1:06:09]
fees than they are in real estate taxes.
[1:06:13]
And the burden falls in my view
[1:06:17]
inequitably on the the smallest um
[1:06:22]
assessed homeowners.
[1:06:24]
I think that this just reiterates the
[1:06:27]
importance of reviewing the way in which
[1:06:30]
we charge for this and I would hope that
[1:06:33]
this would become a priority next year.
[1:06:36]
I would also prefer to see a greater
[1:06:39]
subsidy of this fund from the general
[1:06:42]
fund instead of putting all of the
[1:06:44]
burden on um the homeowners in this way.
[1:06:54]
» Other committee members, Commissioner
[1:06:56]
Courtney.
[1:06:56]
>> Thank you, Commissioner.
[1:06:58]
I I share some of Commissioner Kramer's
[1:07:01]
concerns about the inequity of a of a
[1:07:05]
fee that is mandatory. That's the
[1:07:07]
equivalent of a flat tax. Uh that being
[1:07:10]
said, we did debate this, wrestle this.
[1:07:13]
That point came up in the conversation
[1:07:15]
we had in our committee and uh the 14%
[1:07:18]
was with the 140 transfer was the
[1:07:20]
compromise that we arrived at. And so I
[1:07:23]
agree that we should revisit this policy
[1:07:25]
in the future, but for this year, uh I
[1:07:28]
stand by the compromise that we made.
[1:07:30]
>> Thank you.
[1:07:32]
And the finance committee operates on
[1:07:34]
the approach that if we're all a little
[1:07:36]
bit unhappy, then we've uh accomplished
[1:07:38]
uh our our mission as uh handed to us as
[1:07:41]
given to us by President Sinai. Um
[1:07:45]
okay, other committee members with
[1:07:47]
questions or comments?
[1:07:50]
Seeing none, uh this motion has been
[1:07:53]
made and seconded. All those in favor,
[1:07:55]
raise your hand.
[1:07:58]
Are there any opposed?
[1:08:00]
Are there any abstensions?
[1:08:03]
>> Madam Secretary, that carries
[1:08:05]
unanimously. Uh, President Sinai, before
[1:08:07]
I hand the gavl back to you, I would
[1:08:10]
like to uh recognize our CFO because in
[1:08:14]
the month of September, we have had
[1:08:17]
three meetings, all of which have
[1:08:19]
included significant time for finance
[1:08:22]
issues, including the debt issuing
[1:08:25]
tonight, the debt issuance of new debt,
[1:08:28]
the solid waste fund, two meetings on
[1:08:30]
our fund balance policy,
[1:08:33]
uh, a lot of work on our two collective
[1:08:36]
bargaining agreements which are
[1:08:37]
currently being negotiated. And finally,
[1:08:41]
uh considering the options and proposals
[1:08:44]
to implement an ERP system which is uh
[1:08:47]
going to be a significant improvement in
[1:08:49]
how our
[1:08:51]
township operates uh which was discussed
[1:08:54]
at the budget workshop in June. And I
[1:08:56]
may have missed something but thank you
[1:08:58]
Adam and uh thank you all.
[1:09:01]
>> Okay. Thanks Commissioner Zeloff. Our
[1:09:02]
next committee meeting for this evening
[1:09:04]
is building
[1:09:05]
recognize Commissioner Whan.
[1:09:06]
>> Thank you, President Sinai. We have one
[1:09:08]
item on the agenda this evening. Might
[1:09:11]
feel like a little bit of deja vu to
[1:09:12]
everyone. This is the agenda item we
[1:09:14]
postponed last week to make sure we got
[1:09:16]
everything buttoned up and right for
[1:09:18]
this week, and I believe it is. So, this
[1:09:20]
is with regard to the authorization to
[1:09:22]
advertise an ordinance chapter 155
[1:09:25]
zoning multiple principal buildings in
[1:09:27]
the CADB
[1:09:30]
Z2603
[1:09:32]
district. So, I'm going to get us
[1:09:34]
started by moving to recommend to the
[1:09:37]
board of commissioners authorizing the
[1:09:38]
township secretary to advertise a public
[1:09:41]
hearing and notice of intent to adopt an
[1:09:43]
ordinance to amend the code of the
[1:09:44]
township of lower Maran chapter 155
[1:09:47]
entitled zoning article 6 special
[1:09:51]
districts table 6.8.2 2 Bala Village
[1:09:56]
Dimensional Standards to add a rear
[1:09:58]
setback provision for structures backing
[1:10:00]
to a railroad rightway. Section 155-6.8
[1:10:06]
to provide standards for entries,
[1:10:08]
signage, and windows when multiple
[1:10:10]
principal buildings exist on a lot.
[1:10:13]
Section 155-6.6.H
[1:10:16]
H to provide buffer and greening
[1:10:18]
standards common driveways
[1:10:22]
for common driveways serving more than
[1:10:24]
one lot. Do I have a second?
[1:10:27]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Wooding. Vice
[1:10:29]
President Woodring. Uh Chris, can you
[1:10:31]
take us away?
[1:10:32]
>> Good evening. Um this evening, um
[1:10:35]
bringing forward an ordinance for
[1:10:36]
consideration for the building planning
[1:10:38]
committee to authorize for
[1:10:40]
advertisement. It's to modify
[1:10:42]
dimensional standards within the Ball
[1:10:45]
Village district. Um
[1:10:48]
Ball Village is is a district that runs
[1:10:51]
along Bow Avenue from McGomery Avenue to
[1:10:53]
City Avenue and it also includes um
[1:10:56]
parts of City Avenue running down a
[1:10:58]
little bit past St. Joe's University
[1:11:00]
from Balor Avenue. What we've seen in in
[1:11:03]
Ball Village over the last few years is
[1:11:05]
some of these areas are in transition.
[1:11:07]
We know it has multiple character areas.
[1:11:09]
area around the theater that everybody
[1:11:10]
knows is a traditional downtown feel.
[1:11:12]
And the area along City Avenue has a
[1:11:14]
very distinct highway kind of retail
[1:11:17]
feel, but there's a block between uh
[1:11:20]
Union Avenue and City Avenue that is of
[1:11:24]
a completely different character. It has
[1:11:26]
currently has some office buildings um
[1:11:29]
some kind of a a mix of uses, office
[1:11:32]
buildings. There's also been some retail
[1:11:35]
uh car uses, auto uses, and it's in
[1:11:37]
transition. And these lots are very long
[1:11:40]
and narrow and we're want to anticipate
[1:11:43]
what they could be redeveloped as. And
[1:11:45]
as we started to look at this and we've
[1:11:47]
had conversations with people from the
[1:11:49]
community, the ward commissioner, we
[1:11:51]
thought that we bring forward this set
[1:11:53]
of um dimensional amendments that would
[1:11:57]
better that would promote better
[1:11:59]
contextsensitive development on that
[1:12:01]
block because as it is now, the Ball
[1:12:04]
Village District in our entire code
[1:12:07]
requires all buildings to front on a
[1:12:09]
road. That just makes sense. You should
[1:12:10]
have a building should front on a road,
[1:12:12]
but it also allows multiple buildings.
[1:12:14]
So what happens in Bow Village with many
[1:12:16]
of the lots is they're very long and
[1:12:17]
deep and you can't get a road through
[1:12:20]
those areas. So you would if it was
[1:12:23]
going to be redeveloped, it would be
[1:12:24]
redeveloped as one very large massive
[1:12:26]
building. We've seen a lot of these has
[1:12:27]
come in. Many of these are residential
[1:12:29]
buildings. You're seeing ground floor
[1:12:31]
commercial with three or four stories of
[1:12:33]
residential over top of them. The other
[1:12:36]
side of this block is um zoned MDR1.
[1:12:39]
It's it's twins, it's singles, it's a
[1:12:42]
residential block. We're we don't feel
[1:12:45]
that we'd like to give some options that type of development could take
[1:12:50]
place. It could be mixeduse development,
[1:12:51]
but we'd like to be able to introduce
[1:12:53]
another type of development if it was
[1:12:55]
just going to become residential along
[1:12:57]
the way. So, what this set of
[1:12:59]
dimensional standards does is it reduces
[1:13:01]
the setback in the back along the
[1:13:03]
railroad tracks. Currently, it can vary
[1:13:05]
between 25 and zero. This gives it a 15t
[1:13:08]
set. if it if it for lots that just back
[1:13:11]
along re um a railroad track and it also
[1:13:15]
most importantly permits buildings to
[1:13:17]
front along a pedestrian way. Now, they
[1:13:20]
still have to front along the the
[1:13:21]
street. If there's a street edge, the
[1:13:23]
buildings still need to follow along
[1:13:25]
that. But then you can introduce a
[1:13:26]
pedestrian way and buildings can front
[1:13:28]
on that. And that would allow to have
[1:13:32]
multiple buildings. And something of the
[1:13:33]
form I think is very important. Instead
[1:13:35]
of having one large building on these
[1:13:38]
properties, you could have multiple
[1:13:40]
smaller scale buildings, which is much
[1:13:41]
more in context with what you see across
[1:13:43]
the street. And I think you really would
[1:13:45]
anticipate something like a townhouse,
[1:13:47]
right? and a townhouse is very
[1:13:48]
consistent with the MDR, one district on
[1:13:51]
the other side of the street.
[1:13:53]
The other piece of this is that we know
[1:13:55]
we have multiple small narrow blocks
[1:13:57]
that are all lined up next to each
[1:13:59]
other. And one of the things that we
[1:14:00]
would like to encourage is the reduction
[1:14:03]
of curb cuts as you go along that we
[1:14:04]
want this to be a walkable neighborhood.
[1:14:06]
So, if we can encourage property owners
[1:14:08]
to work together to share driveways, we
[1:14:11]
want to do that. And some of these
[1:14:12]
changes here facilitate that. Um they
[1:14:16]
allow um where a shared driveway is
[1:14:19]
putting in some certain greening
[1:14:20]
standards that if um buildings have
[1:14:22]
driveways that face onto that, they have
[1:14:24]
to have a certain type of greening
[1:14:25]
standard with deciduous trees and more
[1:14:27]
of a traditional streetscape. But if
[1:14:29]
residential um lots are along that along
[1:14:32]
that edge, you can have evergreens. and
[1:14:34]
it allows for a contextsensitive um
[1:14:37]
solution there that would we think would
[1:14:39]
work between developers to cooperate
[1:14:41]
together to reduce curb cuts to create
[1:14:43]
greening to create a better streetscape
[1:14:45]
that would better reinforce the street
[1:14:46]
across the way. So in some that's the
[1:14:49]
purpose of what we're doing and that's
[1:14:51]
the that's what this is before I'm happy
[1:14:53]
to answer any questions in detail.
[1:14:55]
>> Thank you Chris. And before we get that
[1:14:56]
just one clarification I mean what we're
[1:14:58]
doing here tonight I'm fully in favor of
[1:15:00]
and I I think we got it right. Um, but
[1:15:04]
what you just described, you know, we're
[1:15:06]
doing it in Ballot Village, but it would
[1:15:08]
be applicable elsewhere in the township.
[1:15:11]
And so I think should should the
[1:15:12]
commissioners anticipate that this may
[1:15:15]
be rolled out in the future in other
[1:15:17]
districts where appropriate throughout
[1:15:19]
the township?
[1:15:19]
>> Exactly.
[1:15:20]
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh, any questions or
[1:15:22]
comments from other commissioners?
[1:15:25]
>> Commissioner Zoff, I want to follow up
[1:15:27]
on the question you just asked. So can
[1:15:29]
you explain further because we have a
[1:15:31]
number of zoning districts
[1:15:34]
>> uh throughout the township. So what what
[1:15:38]
exactly does what does does your answer
[1:15:40]
mean? So if this is successful in Ball
[1:15:43]
Village, it would be considered for
[1:15:46]
other districts.
[1:15:48]
>> Correct. I think we would look at this
[1:15:49]
in in other commercial districts. Um,
[1:15:53]
one of the the things that that brought
[1:15:55]
this about, um, properties with the new
[1:15:58]
zoning code, our new formbbased code
[1:16:00]
were that's when we were requiring the
[1:16:02]
front along a street. And part of that
[1:16:05]
was the vast majority of of properties
[1:16:08]
in the township are single family
[1:16:09]
residential. That that really is the
[1:16:11]
vast majority of the area. And by
[1:16:14]
fronting along a street, it really
[1:16:16]
discouraged future subdivision in many
[1:16:18]
ways to preserve green space, preserve
[1:16:19]
the character of the neighborhoods,
[1:16:20]
which was an overriding goal of the 2020
[1:16:23]
zoning code. What we didn't do is we
[1:16:25]
didn't, you know, we needed a little bit
[1:16:27]
more time in this to be able to have
[1:16:28]
time to see how that applied to
[1:16:30]
commercial areas. And to your point,
[1:16:32]
Commissioner Zolaf, I think we would, if
[1:16:33]
this is successful in this area, it
[1:16:35]
could apply to our other commercial
[1:16:37]
areas along the way, particularly those
[1:16:38]
that back up along railroads. We have
[1:16:41]
this similar situation in other areas of
[1:16:43]
the township.
[1:16:44]
>> Well, I what I thought you might say is
[1:16:46]
other commercial areas in which there
[1:16:48]
are long
[1:16:50]
>> narrow lots with limited frontage. Isn't
[1:16:53]
that's what
[1:16:53]
>> it's isn't that what's driving this in
[1:16:56]
this zone.
[1:16:57]
>> Correct. It's the long narrow lots that
[1:16:59]
have a singular frontage that they would
[1:17:01]
kind of terminate in the back end. Most
[1:17:03]
of those are in for planners, we look at
[1:17:06]
that. We call them railroad lots.
[1:17:07]
They're railroad lots because most of
[1:17:09]
the time that's how they were plotted it
[1:17:10]
out. There's a road and they go back to
[1:17:12]
a railroad.
[1:17:13]
>> Yeah,
[1:17:14]
it doesn't seem to me that there are
[1:17:17]
many other areas of the township where
[1:17:19]
that's the case and there may be and
[1:17:21]
they're not thinking of them, but
[1:17:23]
>> you would see a lot of there's a lot of
[1:17:25]
those type of lots in this in this in the in the BV zone.
[1:17:30]
>> Correct. And and B Village is in
[1:17:32]
transition, so it's right on our
[1:17:33]
forefront. We've been looking at it.
[1:17:35]
you'll see something later on your
[1:17:36]
agenda this this evening. So, Battle
[1:17:38]
Village has been getting a lot of
[1:17:39]
attention and it made sense to focus it
[1:17:41]
there and like I say, this is very easy.
[1:17:43]
We could replicate it and bring it to
[1:17:45]
other districts,
[1:17:46]
>> but it would be zone dependent.
[1:17:48]
>> Correct.
[1:17:48]
>> Great. Thank you very much.
[1:17:50]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Dr. Rosman.
[1:17:55]
>> As the uh
[1:17:57]
commissioner for that ward, I wholly
[1:18:00]
support this. I think uh this will help
[1:18:02]
develop that block into a neighborhood
[1:18:04]
feel and um and hope it continues
[1:18:07]
because uh I think this will be a lot
[1:18:10]
better than having empty retail space
[1:18:12]
which was originally zoned in that area
[1:18:14]
in a much different configured to that
[1:18:16]
property.
[1:18:17]
Thank you.
[1:18:20]
>> Anyone else?
[1:18:22]
>> Seeing none are any questions or
[1:18:24]
comments from the public?
[1:18:27]
>> Seeing none
[1:18:30]
I'm sorry. If you want to talk, you have
[1:18:32]
to come up to.
[1:18:35]
Um, seeing none, uh, the motion has been
[1:18:39]
raised and seconded, made and seconded.
[1:18:41]
All those in favor, raise your hand.
[1:18:45]
Jody, that passes unanimously.
[1:18:48]
>> And President Sinai, we are done with
[1:18:49]
building and filming.
[1:18:51]
>> Thank you very much.
[1:18:53]
>> You know, as you reminded me earlier, I
[1:18:55]
do have a prior commitment uh this
[1:18:56]
evening. Uh so vice president um
[1:19:00]
Woodring is going to take over the
[1:19:01]
festivities for the rest of the night.
[1:19:03]
>> Thank you.
[1:19:06]
>> Sorry.
[1:19:13]
» All right. Um so next item on our agenda
[1:19:16]
is the special board of commissioners
[1:19:17]
meeting. Uh so we'll call that to order.
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Will the September 23rd, 2026 meeting of
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the board of commissioners of township
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of Laura Marian please come to order.
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All rise to pledge allegiance to the
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flag.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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United States of America and to the
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republic for which it stands, one nation
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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:19:39]
justice for all.
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>> Madam Secretary, will you please call
[1:19:44]
the role?
[1:19:45]
>> Thank you, Mr. Vice President. Mr. Bar,
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>> present.
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>> Mr.
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Dailyaly,
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>> here.
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>> Miss Epste
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Gregory,
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>> here.
[1:19:53]
>> Miss Kramer
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>> here.
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Miss Miss Maguire
[1:19:57]
>> here.
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>> Dr. Rossman
[1:19:59]
>> here.
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>> Miss Sparrow
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Whan
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Wood
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>> here.
[1:20:03]
>> Mr. Zilla
[1:20:04]
>> here.
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>> Mr. Sinai not here.
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» Mr. Woodard, we have a farm and I failed
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to mention that Mr. Timberly asked to be
[1:20:16]
excused this evening.
[1:20:18]
>> Thank you.
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All right. And moving on to the approval
[1:20:22]
of the minutes. I'm going to make a
[1:20:23]
motion to approve the minutes of a
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special meeting of the board of
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commissioners held July 8th, 2026 and
[1:20:27]
stated meetings of the board of
[1:20:29]
commissioners held on July 15, 2026 and
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August 3rd, 2026 as distributed. Do I
[1:20:34]
have a second?
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>> You do.
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>> Thank you, Commissioner Burnernheim.
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» Oh, I'm sorry. All those in favor?
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>> Um, all those in favor?
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>> Any obstens or opposition? Absentions.
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>> Sorry. Spur of the moment there for a
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second. You're good, Madam Secretary.
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That passes unanimously.
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The board met in executive session
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earlier this evening regarding the
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following matters: union negotiations,
[1:21:03]
potential property acquisition, Amtrak
[1:21:06]
real estate.
[1:21:08]
The cleanup weekend is being held on
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Saturday, October 3rd, and Sunday,
[1:21:12]
October 4th, 2026 from 9:00 a.m. until
[1:21:14]
400 p.m. each day at the township's
[1:21:16]
public works complex. The agenda
[1:21:18]
incorrectly indicated that it was free
[1:21:20]
of charge. However, residents will be
[1:21:22]
charged $20 per vehicle per per entry. U
[1:21:26]
payment will be collected at the gate.
[1:21:28]
Proof of residency is required.
[1:21:30]
Recycling must be separated from refues.
[1:21:32]
And there is no household hazardous
[1:21:34]
waste will be accepted. And anything
[1:21:37]
with a plug recycling event will be held
[1:21:39]
on Saturday, October 10th, 2026 from
[1:21:41]
9:00 a.m. until 12:00 p.m. at the Kegel
[1:21:44]
Public Works Complex in Pen Valley.
[1:21:46]
Registration is required for that ahead
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of time.
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Lastly, McGomery County will be
[1:21:51]
sponsoring a household hazardous waste
[1:21:53]
collection on Sunday, October 11th, 2026
[1:21:56]
at the township's public works complex
[1:21:58]
as well. Registration is again required
[1:22:00]
for that event.
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This evening, we have a designation of
[1:22:03]
fireweek prevention, which is October
[1:22:05]
4th to the 10th um 2026. And I'll call
[1:22:08]
on Commissioner Burnernheim to present
[1:22:10]
that proclamation.
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>> It's a drop lengthy, but um it's a
[1:22:14]
proclamation for fire prevention week.
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Every week should be fire prevention
[1:22:19]
week, but this one is titled charge into
[1:22:22]
fire safety. Safe charging is a
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superpower.
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Whereas the township of lower Maran is
[1:22:29]
committed to ensuring the safety and
[1:22:31]
security of all those living in and
[1:22:33]
visiting our community. And whereas fire
[1:22:37]
is a serious public safety concern both
[1:22:39]
locally and nationally. And homes are
[1:22:41]
the location where people are at the
[1:22:43]
greatest risk from fire. And whereas
[1:22:47]
most of the rechargeable electronics
[1:22:49]
used in homes daily are powered by
[1:22:51]
lithium ion batteries which if misused,
[1:22:54]
damaged or improperly charged can
[1:22:57]
overheat, start a fire or explode. And
[1:23:01]
whereas safe charging includes using the
[1:23:04]
cord and charger that came with your
[1:23:06]
device or one approved by the
[1:23:08]
manufacturer, charging on a hard flat
[1:23:12]
surface, watching for warning signs like
[1:23:15]
devices that are very hot or start to
[1:23:18]
swell, unplugging when fully charged,
[1:23:20]
and charging larger devices like ebikes
[1:23:24]
outside and away from exits. And whereas
[1:23:28]
the 2006 fire prevention week theme,
[1:23:31]
charge into fire safety, safe charging
[1:23:34]
is a superpower, serves to remind all
[1:23:37]
residents that safe charging can help
[1:23:40]
reduce the risk of fires in homes and
[1:23:43]
communities. Now therefore, be it
[1:23:45]
resolved that the board of commissioners
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of the township below Marian does hereby
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proclaim October 4th through October 10,
[1:23:53]
2026 as fire prevention week and urges
[1:23:56]
all residents to buy only listed
[1:23:59]
products, charge devices safely, recycle
[1:24:03]
batteries responsibly, and to support
[1:24:05]
the efforts of the township fire and
[1:24:07]
emergency services dated this 23rd day
[1:24:10]
of September, 2026 in Ardmore. for
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Pennsylvania. Thank you.
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>> Thank you, Commissioner Burnernheim.
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This is now the section of the meeting
[1:24:18]
for public privilege of the floor. This
[1:24:20]
is a section of the meeting where
[1:24:22]
members of the public may address the
[1:24:23]
board on any non-aggenda items um or any
[1:24:26]
other public matters in which the
[1:24:28]
township has jurisdiction or authority.
[1:24:30]
Uh please note that if you plan to
[1:24:32]
address the board, you can line up at
[1:24:34]
the podium to your left here at this
[1:24:36]
time. State your name and where you live
[1:24:37]
prior to giving your comments and please
[1:24:39]
keep your comments to three minutes or
[1:24:41]
less. Um we will be using a timer and
[1:24:44]
when that beeps we ask that you yield
[1:24:45]
the podium to the next person behind you
[1:24:48]
um who ideally would line up in that
[1:24:50]
order. Um if you are talking on behalf
[1:24:54]
speaking on behalf of a group we ask
[1:24:56]
that you have a a spokesperson here
[1:24:58]
selected ahead of time the board and
[1:25:01]
when appropriate staff will respond to
[1:25:02]
comments and questions after all
[1:25:04]
comments have been received. Um so if
[1:25:06]
anyone here in in the room wishes to
[1:25:08]
address the board please do so using
[1:25:11]
this podium
[1:25:22]
Craig Alaner Marian station tree canopy
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delights chapter 4 simply put the shade
[1:25:29]
tree division is not planting enough
[1:25:31]
trees to maintain shade tree canopy
[1:25:35]
leadership sites three high hurdles that
[1:25:37]
prevent prevent it from doing so.
[1:25:39]
Resident antipathy, a manpower shortage,
[1:25:42]
and a lack of capital. Previously, we've
[1:25:45]
vaulted over perceived resident
[1:25:47]
indifference, realizing that it was an
[1:25:50]
illusion. What had been interpreted as
[1:25:53]
dislike was actually unawareness.
[1:25:56]
By distributing 6,300 door hangers
[1:25:59]
describing the township's chade tree
[1:26:01]
offerings, there's been a four-fold
[1:26:03]
increase in tree request volume, proving
[1:26:07]
that once residents learn about the
[1:26:09]
program, many do indeed desire shade
[1:26:12]
trees. Last month, we recognized that
[1:26:15]
the purported workforce scarcity was
[1:26:18]
caused by public works own
[1:26:20]
self-defeating policy prohibiting the
[1:26:22]
Shade Tree Commission from tree planting
[1:26:25]
and care. The solution is to copy what
[1:26:28]
every other local municipality does
[1:26:31]
exercise the commission's expertise,
[1:26:34]
energy, and time. The third hurdle is
[1:26:36]
lack of capital. There's an acorn of
[1:26:39]
truth to this. It's a tough nut to
[1:26:41]
crack. After all, money doesn't grow on
[1:26:44]
trees. Management maintains that
[1:26:46]
although they'd like to plant a larger
[1:26:48]
number of trees, there are no resources
[1:26:51]
to do so. And anyway, the budget is
[1:26:53]
fixed.
[1:27:00]
Um about to be approved by the board. At
[1:27:04]
present, Lower Mine annually plants 89
[1:27:07]
thousand annually spends $89,000 to
[1:27:10]
plant 200 shade trees, a mere onetenth
[1:27:13]
of 1% of the township's operating
[1:27:15]
budget. There are at least four ways to
[1:27:18]
overcome claimed limited funding tactics
[1:27:20]
I call brute force, smart and clever,
[1:27:24]
all mixed up, and failsafe. Tonight,
[1:27:27]
introductory remarks. The particulars to
[1:27:29]
follow next month. The first is brute
[1:27:32]
force. The name derived from the
[1:27:34]
mid-century brutalist architectural
[1:27:37]
style. Brute force doubles down on
[1:27:40]
existing policy. The second is smart and
[1:27:42]
clever. The goal to do more with less
[1:27:46]
inspired by famed architect M Vandereo's
[1:27:48]
apherism less is more. The third all
[1:27:51]
mixed up is a blend of the first two.
[1:27:54]
Fourth is fail safe. As the name
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suggests, failsafe is guaranteed to work
[1:27:59]
because it doesn't require the shade
[1:28:01]
tree division change its practice. To
[1:28:04]
complement the division's work, Allison
[1:28:06]
and I would extend an unrestricted grant
[1:28:09]
of $35,000
[1:28:11]
to plant as many as 350 extra trees.
[1:28:16]
Although there are no stipulations, we
[1:28:18]
will have suggestions to best advantage
[1:28:20]
tree canopy at the lowest cost. That
[1:28:23]
along with detail on the other three
[1:28:25]
approaches occurs next month.
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Isabelle Melvin Winwood.
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I'm so grateful to the Lower Marian
[1:28:42]
Township Board of Commissioners
[1:28:46]
for the clean air, peace, and quiet I
[1:28:48]
experienced this June to September.
[1:28:50]
Thank you.
[1:28:53]
Based on the number of complaints and
[1:28:55]
the requests to add more staff, it's a
[1:28:58]
good sign that folks want clean air and
[1:29:01]
peaceful quality of life in Lower Marian
[1:29:04]
Township.
[1:29:06]
So, I'm so happy to hear there's
[1:29:07]
discussion about investing in this
[1:29:09]
ordinance.
[1:29:11]
I have faith I have faith that Chris
[1:29:14]
Lewing and his staff will find the best
[1:29:16]
use of taxpayer money to enforce the
[1:29:19]
leaf blower ordinance.
[1:29:22]
But word on the street is we can do
[1:29:24]
better.
[1:29:26]
Neighbors are on the front line of
[1:29:28]
enforcement.
[1:29:30]
When they call to report someone
[1:29:31]
breaking the law, they should be able to
[1:29:33]
trust that it will be dealt with by the
[1:29:36]
township accordingly.
[1:29:40]
So, we I have some and I've talked to
[1:29:42]
other people about this. I'm a member of
[1:29:44]
Quiet Clean Lower Marian. So, we have
[1:29:46]
some suggestions.
[1:29:48]
All landscapers who do business in our
[1:29:50]
township should be registered with Lower
[1:29:53]
Marian Township.
[1:29:55]
And no requirement to testify in court
[1:29:58]
in order to report a violation. As uh
[1:30:00]
Commissioner Magcguire said, it starts
[1:30:02]
quibbling against neighbors. let the
[1:30:05]
person who reported the violation feel
[1:30:07]
supported by our township
[1:30:10]
and the app should be much more user
[1:30:13]
friendly.
[1:30:14]
Thanks again commissioners for being
[1:30:17]
leaders in our commonwealth of
[1:30:18]
Pennsylvania and protecting the 60,000
[1:30:21]
residents of lower Maran Township. And
[1:30:25]
thank you to Chris Lewing and team. I
[1:30:27]
have faith that you will improve on
[1:30:30]
efficiently and effectively enforcing
[1:30:33]
this ordinance. Thank you.
[1:30:43]
» Is there anyone else for public
[1:30:44]
privilege before?
[1:30:51]
» Good evening. Uh my name is Michael
[1:30:53]
Bonafra. Um I currently live in Htown.
[1:30:56]
Um but a longtime law resident. Uh grew
[1:31:00]
up went to school here. I'm uh actually
[1:31:04]
on the other end of the leaf blower uh
[1:31:07]
situation because I'm a local business
[1:31:09]
owner with a gutter cleaning power
[1:31:12]
washing business. And
[1:31:17]
over the last six months or so when the
[1:31:22]
leaf blower ban was passed, um
[1:31:28]
I kind of did my homework on it. I just
[1:31:30]
didn't want to compl like complain about
[1:31:32]
it without looking into it. Um, I'm all
[1:31:36]
for, you know, quiet and better air, but
[1:31:41]
also I don't feel like the technology is
[1:31:44]
there as a business owner that needs to
[1:31:48]
use certain equipment. Um,
[1:31:52]
you know, I've talked to
[1:31:54]
different landscapers. I've talked to
[1:31:56]
different salesmen that sell these bl
[1:31:58]
these battery operated blowers and
[1:32:02]
they're just not strong enough for what
[1:32:04]
we're trying to do or trying to
[1:32:05]
accomplish especially in fall and winter
[1:32:09]
season when we're kind of fight when
[1:32:11]
we're all fighting against the weather
[1:32:13]
trying to get everything done. Um, you
[1:32:16]
know, we lived in down south where it
[1:32:18]
was weather was more consistent being
[1:32:21]
warmer, I think it'd be a little bit
[1:32:23]
easier to accept, but when you're
[1:32:25]
fighting cold weather, um, and you need,
[1:32:28]
you know, power behind that blower to
[1:32:30]
try to accomplish what you're doing. And
[1:32:33]
then as far as a time frame trying to,
[1:32:36]
you know, I mean, my business is
[1:32:41]
repeat business, a lot of repeat
[1:32:43]
business.
[1:32:44]
and
[1:32:47]
trying to get a lot done in as quickly
[1:32:49]
as possible, especially come, you know,
[1:32:53]
winter months. Um, to make and that's
[1:32:56]
how we make our living. Uh, I feel like
[1:33:00]
with a weaker blower,
[1:33:04]
it's just going to cause us uh
[1:33:08]
more
[1:33:11]
it's going to take longer to do things.
[1:33:14]
Um, because it's the power is not there
[1:33:16]
for us with the blower. Uh so I wanted
[1:33:22]
to just express my frustration
[1:33:25]
um about the situation
[1:33:28]
also with the blowers. Uh
[1:33:31]
you know I don't mind paying for the
[1:33:33]
blower but it's more the batteries and
[1:33:36]
from the people that are selling the
[1:33:37]
batteries they kind of tell they tell
[1:33:39]
you that it can only be charged a 100
[1:33:41]
times and then you got to purchase a new
[1:33:43]
one. Um for a small business that's a
[1:33:46]
lot to take on. So, um, I just wanted to
[1:33:52]
do what I could to express, uh, how I
[1:33:54]
felt and, uh, hopefully it'll be changed
[1:33:58]
or there can be some type of agreement.
[1:34:00]
Thank you.
[1:34:02]
>> Thank you.
[1:34:05]
>> Did you
[1:34:10]
hi, I'm Nancy Winkler from W 12.
[1:34:14]
Thank you. Oh.
[1:34:18]
I'll wait. You tell me when to go.
[1:34:22]
>> Take your free time.
[1:34:25]
>> Okay. Thanks a lot for all the work that
[1:34:28]
you have invested as policymakers in
[1:34:31]
listening to the science, listening to
[1:34:33]
the impacted residents, and to crafting
[1:34:36]
and adopting an ordinance to phase out
[1:34:38]
gas-powered leaf blowers. Thank you to
[1:34:40]
the staff for the countless hours you
[1:34:44]
have invested over several years
[1:34:46]
preparing and implementing the
[1:34:48]
ordinance, creating and running
[1:34:50]
trainings for landscapers and creating
[1:34:52]
public information outreach initiatives
[1:34:56]
to landscapers, public uh building
[1:34:59]
owners and residents and and uh thank
[1:35:02]
you for the many hours this first summer
[1:35:05]
of uh doing the enforcement at the early
[1:35:07]
stage. Many people contacted me this
[1:35:10]
summer about the ban implementation, and
[1:35:12]
here's what I've heard from them. One,
[1:35:15]
it has been quieter and cleaner in
[1:35:18]
various neighborhoods. Even though not
[1:35:20]
all landscapers have complied, most
[1:35:22]
have, and it has made a positive
[1:35:24]
difference to the quality of life. Two,
[1:35:27]
we don't want to report on our
[1:35:28]
neighbors, but we will because
[1:35:30]
compliance is important. The fact that
[1:35:33]
you have over 400 reported violations
[1:35:36]
shows how much the residents of this
[1:35:37]
community want the ban and want it to be
[1:35:40]
enforced. Our tax dollars will be well
[1:35:43]
spent. Three people have commented that
[1:35:46]
they are happy that their small mom and
[1:35:48]
pop landscapers businesses have
[1:35:51]
complied, but they are irritated that
[1:35:53]
some of the bigger companies are getting
[1:35:55]
away with flouting the law and lobbying
[1:35:57]
to reverse it.
[1:35:59]
Change can be bumpy and lower Marian is
[1:36:02]
experiencing some growing pains. I'm not
[1:36:05]
surprised at all by resistance from some
[1:36:07]
quarters, but please, given the hours
[1:36:09]
and hours of public dialogue and years
[1:36:12]
really on this topic and the investment
[1:36:14]
the township has already made, do not
[1:36:17]
back down. This ordinance is improving
[1:36:20]
residents quality of life. It is
[1:36:22]
improving our environment, our health,
[1:36:24]
and the health of township staff and
[1:36:27]
private landscape workers. I remember
[1:36:30]
when smoking was first banned in public
[1:36:32]
places. People were furious. Smoking
[1:36:35]
bans were infringing on their way of
[1:36:37]
life. Economic disaster was predicted.
[1:36:40]
Restaurants and bars would go bankrupt
[1:36:42]
because their patrons would no longer
[1:36:43]
come. Ha. Can you imagine rescending
[1:36:46]
that smoking bans now? Just as we have
[1:36:50]
been freed from having to breathe and
[1:36:52]
smell secondhand smoke from cigarettes,
[1:36:54]
lower Marian residents are going to be
[1:36:56]
free of the many harms of gas powered
[1:36:58]
leaf blowers. In my neighborhood, which
[1:37:01]
was reszoned to LDR4, we are beset by
[1:37:04]
constant construction of superersized
[1:37:06]
houses on small lots and we are losing
[1:37:09]
our tree canopy in an alarming level and
[1:37:11]
the bird song that we used to have. So,
[1:37:14]
I am doubly grateful for a township
[1:37:16]
policy that has a positive impact on our
[1:37:19]
neighborhood. Please support the request
[1:37:21]
for enforcement funding. Thank you for
[1:37:23]
considering my comments.
[1:37:28]
» Anyone else like to take advantage of
[1:37:30]
public privilege of the floor?
[1:37:33]
>> Seeing none, close. No one's online,
[1:37:35]
right? Okay. All right. So, we'll go
[1:37:37]
ahead and close that out. Um, does any
[1:37:39]
board member wish to respond to any of
[1:37:40]
the comments?
[1:37:43]
Commissioner uh Courtney,
[1:37:45]
>> I'll take I'll take a quick 30 seconds
[1:37:46]
only floors. Uh thank you for gratitude
[1:37:50]
and the feedback. Uh we will take that
[1:37:52]
into the sustainability committee. We'll
[1:37:54]
work with Paloma on how we can improve
[1:37:58]
before the next uh cycle of the of the
[1:38:01]
prohibition and see if that should be a
[1:38:04]
priority for the coming year. As far as
[1:38:06]
the technology not being there, I think
[1:38:07]
we've seen that that's not the case.
[1:38:09]
There are many landscapers
[1:38:11]
and other companies that were able to
[1:38:15]
survive this summer, do well this
[1:38:17]
summer, perform all their tasks with
[1:38:19]
equipment that was purchased on the
[1:38:20]
market. Thank you,
[1:38:23]
>> Mr. Bird.
[1:38:24]
>> Point counterpoint.
[1:38:25]
>> I should have gone second.
[1:38:26]
>> Yeah.
[1:38:27]
>> Well, I think you did last time, so now
[1:38:29]
we're even. Um look the one of the
[1:38:32]
things that we stated when the ordinance
[1:38:34]
was passed is that we would have a
[1:38:36]
learning curve and we would you know
[1:38:38]
take in information as to how it was
[1:38:42]
impacting residents, how it was
[1:38:43]
impacting landscapers and al like and to
[1:38:47]
the degree that we need to make any
[1:38:49]
adjustments be it in the enforcement
[1:38:50]
aspect of it or in in dealing with the
[1:38:54]
difficulties that some of the
[1:38:55]
landscapers have have expressed and I've
[1:38:58]
heard similar comments to that which we we've heard this evening that we
[1:39:02]
stated that we would look at this, you
[1:39:04]
know, open eyed as to what if any
[1:39:07]
changes that that need to be made as we
[1:39:09]
go forward. The ordinance isn't going to
[1:39:12]
go away. That whether I agree with it or
[1:39:14]
not, I recognize. Um, but what we can do
[1:39:17]
to improve upon it is something that is
[1:39:20]
incumbent upon this board to take in all
[1:39:23]
the information and uh try to see that
[1:39:26]
we do something that that's fair and
[1:39:28]
recognize everybody as as best that we
[1:39:30]
can. Um, I'll leave it at that because
[1:39:33]
there are many still tentacles to be
[1:39:35]
discussed I think at a later time. Thank
[1:39:37]
you.
[1:39:39]
>> Uh, Commissioner Zel.
[1:39:42]
>> So tonight we heard from Mr. Bafra who
[1:39:44]
is a small, not large, a small
[1:39:48]
contractor. He told us he cleans
[1:39:50]
gutters. He doesn't cut grass.
[1:39:54]
He does power washing and gutter
[1:39:56]
cleaning. So large large contractors
[1:39:58]
have been here to complain as well as
[1:40:00]
small contractors have been here to
[1:40:02]
complain. I don't think we talked about
[1:40:05]
cleaning gutters, but we know that
[1:40:07]
cleaning gutters is a necessary
[1:40:09]
function. Um, we know that right now
[1:40:12]
we're in a seasonal ban, but the year-
[1:40:15]
round ban is what is going to be most
[1:40:17]
difficult coming up. And we we are in
[1:40:22]
public comment almost every month. We
[1:40:25]
hear that the technology is not there
[1:40:26]
from those who are using it. So, some
[1:40:29]
are successful at it and others aren't.
[1:40:33]
I think it is far from a resolved issue
[1:40:36]
in terms of enforcement.
[1:40:42]
We have um challenges in enforcing our
[1:40:45]
building code, our property code. We
[1:40:48]
have challenges enforcing police
[1:40:50]
citations.
[1:40:52]
We have a judicial system, a local
[1:40:54]
judicial system that is simply not
[1:40:57]
working.
[1:40:59]
We talked about it two weeks ago. I'm
[1:41:01]
going to mention it again because our
[1:41:03]
building department said that the
[1:41:05]
average is 250 days from a township
[1:41:09]
complaint to a hearing before a district
[1:41:11]
justice. That's a system that's broken
[1:41:14]
and not working. So, we can hire lots
[1:41:16]
more people in the township, but that's
[1:41:18]
not going to solve the problem. And
[1:41:21]
everybody who receives a citation of any
[1:41:23]
kind has the right to challenge it if
[1:41:27]
they think that it's not appropriate.
[1:41:30]
it's it's it wasn't issued properly or
[1:41:32]
they're uh you know uh Dan and Mike can
[1:41:36]
explain that much uh more effectively
[1:41:38]
than I can but everybody has the right
[1:41:40]
to defend themselves
[1:41:43]
but getting a hearing so they can do
[1:41:45]
that and having it judicially processed
[1:41:48]
either their their uh the violation is
[1:41:51]
upheld or or uh or not is part of the
[1:41:54]
process. And so that's something that
[1:41:56]
everybody in this room needs to be um
[1:41:59]
fig helping to be aware of so that
[1:42:03]
this issue can be addressed. So um it's
[1:42:07]
not as simple as more hiring by the
[1:42:09]
township. Thank you.
[1:42:11]
>> Commissioners, any other comments from
[1:42:12]
the board?
[1:42:15]
>> It's not back and forth. I'm sorry. Um I
[1:42:18]
do have a quick question just about the cath trees for our township manager.
[1:42:22]
Sorry to put you on the spot here. If if
[1:42:24]
our requests exceed the 200 that we
[1:42:26]
typically approve every year, what's the
[1:42:28]
process to then get those trees planted?
[1:42:31]
Do they end up on the queue for the
[1:42:33]
following year or how does that 200
[1:42:36]
mark?
[1:42:36]
>> I can't hear you.
[1:42:38]
>> How does the 200 um mark work for the
[1:42:42]
trees being planted?
[1:42:44]
So we have a budget which you allocate
[1:42:46]
every year and depends on how the
[1:42:49]
pricing comes in when we bid the tree
[1:42:51]
planting just as we have just done.
[1:42:54]
While we issue a contract for 200 trees
[1:42:57]
that have been subscribed by residents
[1:43:00]
uh if the bids come in lower as they
[1:43:02]
have this year we have some extra money
[1:43:05]
that we can go back and change order the
[1:43:07]
contract and add some additional trees.
[1:43:10]
We are always of course working within
[1:43:12]
the realm of the budget that you have
[1:43:15]
allocated for that given year.
[1:43:18]
Thank you. Any other comments from the
[1:43:20]
board?
[1:43:22]
>> Okay, so that'll close public privilege
[1:43:24]
and we will move on to public comment.
[1:43:26]
Uh this is the section of our meeting
[1:43:27]
where members of the public may address
[1:43:29]
the board on any agenda items. Um
[1:43:32]
comments on all agenda items except the
[1:43:34]
ballot village amendments ordinance
[1:43:36]
should be made now. Um that will come
[1:43:38]
later. Uh all the same rules still apply
[1:43:40]
but we are now focused on agenda items
[1:43:43]
specifically. So if anyone from anyone
[1:43:45]
in the room wants to give public
[1:43:47]
comments please come to the podium.
[1:43:51]
» No extra
[1:43:55]
mar station. This evening the board will
[1:43:57]
consider awarding an $88,000 contract to
[1:44:01]
remove 35 dead or diseased shade trees
[1:44:04]
from public's rights away. That's $2,500
[1:44:08]
per tree. Expensive but necessary for
[1:44:10]
the trees are hazardous. In addition to
[1:44:13]
the 35 contracted tree removals, the
[1:44:16]
shade tree division itself is taking
[1:44:19]
down roughly 300 other trees, including
[1:44:22]
the 134 lost in the July micro burst
[1:44:26]
event. Those 300 extra removals don't
[1:44:31]
show up as a as a separate line item,
[1:44:34]
but there are costs nonetheless.
[1:44:36]
Personnel, training, equipment, and
[1:44:39]
insurance, for example. Tonight, the
[1:44:42]
board will also consider an an $89,000
[1:44:45]
contract to plant 200 trees, $450 per
[1:44:50]
tree, so 2500 to remove,450
[1:44:54]
to plant. The result is that Lower
[1:44:57]
Murray is spending tens if not hundreds
[1:45:00]
of thousands of dollars more to do away
[1:45:03]
with jade trees than to add them. The
[1:45:06]
problem is not that removal expenditures
[1:45:08]
are so high. It's that public works is
[1:45:11]
spending so little on planting. And if
[1:45:15]
money truly is a limiting factor, the
[1:45:17]
smart and clever approach I referenced
[1:45:20]
earlier results in more trees at a lower
[1:45:23]
cost. or just take the 35,000 and run
[1:45:27]
with it. Township code states that at a
[1:45:30]
minimum shade tree planting number
[1:45:32]
should equal that of removals. That's
[1:45:35]
not occurring this year, counting the
[1:45:38]
134 trees lost during the micro burst.
[1:45:41]
The shade tree division is more than 100
[1:45:44]
short. One of Lower Murray's defining
[1:45:47]
characteristics is its tree line is its
[1:45:50]
uh treeline streets.
[1:45:54]
Township uh township residents have long
[1:45:56]
made their wishes clear. In multiple
[1:45:59]
surveys, they've said they want the
[1:46:01]
township to plant more trees. There's
[1:46:04]
further evidence. Two dozen passionate
[1:46:08]
community activists have delivered
[1:46:10]
6,300formational
[1:46:13]
door hangers. The result that shade tree
[1:46:16]
request volume is four-fold higher this
[1:46:19]
year than last. Hundreds more property
[1:46:22]
owners have applied for a shade tree.
[1:46:25]
The board itself has made tree canopy at
[1:46:28]
2026 priority and yet the number of
[1:46:31]
shade tree plantings has flatlined.
[1:46:36]
As a result, shade tree cover is
[1:46:38]
declining.
[1:46:40]
The the decision not to maintain canopy
[1:46:43]
is flawed. It's wrong economically,
[1:46:46]
aesthetically, socially, and
[1:46:49]
environmentally.
[1:46:50]
My question is why?
[1:46:58]
» Anyone else in the room wish to make
[1:47:00]
public comment?
[1:47:02]
All right, we'll close that out. Uh,
[1:47:03]
does any board member wish to respend
[1:47:05]
respond to any of the comments?
[1:47:09]
All right. Uh we are now moving on to
[1:47:12]
section eight of tonight's meeting uh to
[1:47:14]
the consent calendar. I first want to
[1:47:16]
ask if anyone wishes to remove an item
[1:47:18]
from consent.
[1:47:20]
Seeing none, uh I'll make the motion for
[1:47:22]
approval of the consent calendar as
[1:47:24]
presented
[1:47:26]
and including items from the billing and
[1:47:28]
planning committee, finance committee,
[1:47:29]
and police committee meetings held
[1:47:30]
earlier this evening. Uh Madam
[1:47:32]
Secretary, I believe this requires a
[1:47:34]
roll call vote
[1:47:35]
>> for the adoption of the consent
[1:47:37]
calendar. Oh, I'm sorry. I I do need a
[1:47:39]
second. Commissioner Whan,
[1:47:43]
thank you. Um, Madam Secretary, sorry.
[1:47:46]
>> For the adoption of the consent
[1:47:48]
calendar, Mr. Bernard.
[1:47:51]
>> Oh, did he step out?
[1:47:52]
>> Stepped out.
[1:47:53]
>> Uh, Mr. Courtney.
[1:47:54]
>> Yes.
[1:47:54]
>> Mr. Daly.
[1:47:56]
>> Hi.
[1:47:56]
>> Miss Epste.
[1:47:57]
>> Yes.
[1:47:58]
>> Mr. Gregory. Oh, he stepped out, too.
[1:48:00]
Sorry.
[1:48:01]
>> Miss Kramer.
[1:48:03]
>> Yes.
[1:48:04]
>> Miss Magguire.
[1:48:04]
>> Hi,
[1:48:05]
>> Dr. Rosman. I
[1:48:06]
>> Miss Sparrow.
[1:48:07]
>> I
[1:48:08]
>> Mr. Whan.
[1:48:09]
>> Yes,
[1:48:09]
>> Mr. Woodri.
[1:48:10]
>> I
[1:48:10]
>> Mr. Zella.
[1:48:12]
>> I.
[1:48:12]
>> The consent calendar is duly adopted.
[1:48:14]
>> Right. Thank you, Madam Secretary. Uh we
[1:48:16]
are now moving on to section 13 of
[1:48:19]
tonight's meeting. Uh and you'll find
[1:48:21]
that in page 20 in your packet. So, we
[1:48:24]
will open up the public hearing an
[1:48:26]
adoption of an ordinance chapter 155
[1:48:28]
zoning Bal Village amendments Z-26-001.
[1:48:35]
Um, bear with me for a second.
[1:48:38]
So this ordinance uh is to amend the
[1:48:41]
code of the township of lower Marian
[1:48:42]
chapter 155 entitled zoning article 2
[1:48:45]
definitions section 155-2.1
[1:48:48]
definitions of terms to delete the
[1:48:50]
definition for place of assembly and
[1:48:52]
also create new definitions for
[1:48:54]
commercial event and entertainment
[1:48:56]
venue. Amend table 5.1 uses to provide
[1:49:00]
for religious as a special exception
[1:49:03]
institutional use within the CD district
[1:49:08]
to amend 5.1 uses to delete any
[1:49:11]
reference to place of assembly and also
[1:49:13]
permit both commercial event center and
[1:49:15]
entertainment venue as permitted
[1:49:17]
commercial uses in the um I'll just use
[1:49:21]
the abbreviations VCTCI
[1:49:24]
RHR BMV limited to one three four in
[1:49:30]
CAD-BV districts. Also to amend table
[1:49:34]
8.1 minimum parking requirements to
[1:49:36]
delete any reference to place of
[1:49:37]
assembly and any corresponding parking
[1:49:39]
regulations. to also amend table 5.3 use
[1:49:43]
regulations to provide for religious as
[1:49:45]
an institutional use permitted by
[1:49:47]
special exception in the CAD-BV district
[1:49:50]
along Ballot Avenue between city a and
[1:49:53]
Kimwood road subject to certain specific
[1:49:56]
criteria provided herein also amend
[1:49:59]
table 5.3 use regulations to allow
[1:50:02]
residential uses on the ground floor of
[1:50:04]
buildings facing Bella Avenue except
[1:50:06]
between Montgomery Avenue and Union
[1:50:08]
Avenue. This ordinance was authorized
[1:50:10]
for advertisement at a stated meeting of
[1:50:13]
the board of commissioners held July 15,
[1:50:15]
2026 and duly advertised in September 6
[1:50:18]
and September 13, 2026 editions of the
[1:50:21]
mainline times and suburban. So we will
[1:50:23]
now open for public hearing.
[1:50:27]
Anyone in the room wishes to make
[1:50:29]
comments? Chris, do you want to
[1:50:32]
>> addition
[1:50:36]
at the building committee in July? It
[1:50:39]
went through a pretty extensive uh
[1:50:41]
public um discussion at the neighborhood
[1:50:44]
club. Um so I think people are mostly
[1:50:46]
familiar with it, but if there's any
[1:50:48]
details, I'm happy to provide them.
[1:50:49]
Okay.
[1:50:51]
>> So we'll go ahead and open the public
[1:50:52]
hearing if there's anyone in the room
[1:50:55]
seeing none for for for comment. Um, do
[1:50:58]
any commissioners have any comments or
[1:50:59]
questions for Chris?
[1:51:03]
>> Commissioner, uh, I'm sorry, Dr.
[1:51:04]
Rossman.
[1:51:05]
>> I support this holy going forward. Uh,
[1:51:07]
this isn't my award and it's, uh, going
[1:51:10]
to benefit the retail space
[1:51:13]
by, uh, this ordinance. Thank you.
[1:51:19]
>> With no uh, public comment, we'll go
[1:51:20]
ahead and close the hearing.
[1:51:24]
» So, I noticed that I am out of order. um
[1:51:27]
on the agenda. So, we'll have a motion
[1:51:28]
to adopt and then we'll go around for
[1:51:30]
commissioner comments. Sorry about that.
[1:51:32]
So, I'll make a a motion to adopt
[1:51:34]
ordinance number 4341.
[1:51:36]
Do I have a second?
[1:51:40]
» Dr. Rossman. Thank you. Um so, now does
[1:51:44]
the board have any questions or comments
[1:51:45]
for staff? Commissioner Daly,
[1:51:48]
>> I do. Thank you. So, um it's late and
[1:51:52]
we've talked about this before, but
[1:51:54]
refresh my memory, Chris. This is the
[1:51:56]
proposed ordinance change that would do
[1:51:58]
away with in our code place of assembly.
[1:52:03]
Correct.
[1:52:04]
>> Correct. So the right the ordinance does
[1:52:07]
currently in the code
[1:52:09]
we have a definition called place of
[1:52:11]
assembly that captures things like movie
[1:52:12]
theaters and and larger venues. Uh that
[1:52:16]
could potentially be interpreted as also
[1:52:18]
allowing non-commercial. It was intended
[1:52:21]
to really provide for commercial spaces.
[1:52:23]
What by doing this now is we're pulling
[1:52:26]
that definition out of the zoning code
[1:52:28]
and replacing it with two new terms. One
[1:52:31]
commercial event center and
[1:52:32]
entertainment venue which are clearly
[1:52:34]
commercial in their orientation and
[1:52:37]
putting that back in. And that's really
[1:52:38]
the purpose of that. And also with this
[1:52:40]
as it went through the process, one of
[1:52:42]
the things that we did was we removed
[1:52:44]
entertain those those specific uses from
[1:52:47]
the neighborhood commercial district
[1:52:48]
which is the smallest of our commercial
[1:52:50]
districts.
[1:52:50]
>> Okay. Thank you. So, I the problem I
[1:52:53]
have with this is the same problem I had
[1:52:54]
a couple of months ago, which is if I'm
[1:52:56]
reading it correctly, and tell me if I'm
[1:52:59]
not, there's going to be no place left
[1:53:02]
in our zoning code for non-commercial,
[1:53:06]
non-recreational places of assembly. So,
[1:53:09]
a VFW,
[1:53:11]
an American Legion, uh I mean, I can
[1:53:13]
think of like a dozen organizations that
[1:53:16]
fall in that bucket of non-commercial,
[1:53:19]
non-denominational
[1:53:21]
places of assembly and we're going to
[1:53:23]
completely do away with where they exist
[1:53:26]
in our zoning code.
[1:53:28]
>> I don't know how we can actually
[1:53:29]
provided for in the zoning code. Those
[1:53:31]
uses we are zoned uh institutional
[1:53:35]
civic. So your clubs like your BFW,
[1:53:37]
those kind of non-commercial
[1:53:40]
club type operations are zoned civic.
[1:53:45]
And in many of those uses suppose you
[1:53:47]
have a fire hall just in a small area.
[1:53:49]
You think about small town things that
[1:53:51]
we do, people gather, you need meeting
[1:53:53]
space. Many of those are accessory uses,
[1:53:55]
right? So if a if a fireh hall um say in
[1:53:58]
Bal Kinwood, the the Union fire hall
[1:54:01]
used to go in there, they open it up to
[1:54:02]
the community, that's an accessory use
[1:54:04]
that's used by the community for that.
[1:54:06]
So it's not doesn't necessarily need its
[1:54:08]
own distinct use to be called there.
[1:54:11]
It's part of a larger those facilities
[1:54:12]
are part of just a larger community
[1:54:14]
facility that people allow you to gather
[1:54:16]
in as a part of the community. So
[1:54:19]
>> there would be no change for that.
[1:54:20]
That's that's existing within the code
[1:54:21]
today.
[1:54:22]
>> So that's new information for me. So I I
[1:54:24]
apologize, but what is the definition of
[1:54:26]
institutional civic? Like
[1:54:28]
>> I'm I apologize. I'm having a hard time
[1:54:29]
hearing you all the way over here.
[1:54:30]
>> Yeah, I'm I'm losing my voice. The
[1:54:32]
definition of an institutional civic
[1:54:34]
use, how is that defined? I I don't have
[1:54:37]
that one committed to memory.
[1:54:38]
>> So our institutional civics,
[1:54:41]
our institutional districts are zoned
[1:54:43]
that you would have um schools which are
[1:54:46]
institutional educational. We have
[1:54:48]
institutional health which are kind of
[1:54:49]
your nursing facilities continuing care
[1:54:52]
and then we have this other catchment
[1:54:55]
which is civic which is kind of a
[1:54:57]
catchment for those that those uses that
[1:55:00]
are the fabric of our community our
[1:55:02]
churches our synagogues our really our
[1:55:07]
places of assembly those are those
[1:55:08]
non-commercial um uses that you've
[1:55:11]
described but they could be variety of
[1:55:12]
scales you can have everything from a
[1:55:14]
club size of the Marian cricket club
[1:55:15]
which is a very large club down to a
[1:55:18]
small B, you know, VFW that's a
[1:55:20]
storefront that used to exist over here
[1:55:21]
in Ardmore. All of those can be
[1:55:23]
considered within that. It's it's a very broad distinct um category
[1:55:29]
that allows a multitude of these kind of
[1:55:31]
civic type uses.
[1:55:33]
>> And where are those allowed currently?
[1:55:35]
Is that townshipwide or
[1:55:37]
>> they're township wide and it's they're
[1:55:38]
on the zoning map. So if if you if we
[1:55:41]
had a zoning map, we could um we could
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um bring it up. But essentially, if you
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had a club before we did the zoning, we
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zoned you as institutional civic and
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it's specific requirements for parking
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and for setbacks and for some of those
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other elements of it. It's not really a
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commercial use and it's not a
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residential use. It's this civic and
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that's kind of our catchment for all.
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>> What about not pre-existing clubs? a new
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club forms,
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>> a new club.
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>> Um, one thing that we've done with our
[1:56:12]
institutions is
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>> we didn't really speculatively zone
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areas for institutional uses very in
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only a few places. So, our our new
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zoning code pretty much codified
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everything that was on the ground. So,
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if it if an institution was on the
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ground, it's really those kind of
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borders of that institution became the
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boundaries of that district.
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So a new one could certainly be
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introduced and it would just need a
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zoning change to do that. Stonley went
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through that, right? This board about a
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year ago, Stonley came in, acquired some
[1:56:44]
additional property. Stonley is zoned
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institutional.
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It acquired a residential property next
[1:56:50]
to it. They were merged together and
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then the boundaries were changed to
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allow that all to become part of
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Stoneley.
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Okay, thank you.
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>> Chris, I just have a quick question
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because uh based off that question, my
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wheels are kind of spinning a little
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bit. Does this have any effect on um
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early education school that is hosted in
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a church by chance or a place of
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worship?
[1:57:17]
>> That does completely use nothing to do
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with that,
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>> right? Okay. Just just double checking.
[1:57:22]
>> Um anyone else from the board wish to
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comment questions?
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All right. I'm seeing none. Madam
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Secretary, this is a roll call vote
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>> for the adoption of ordinance 4341.
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Mr. Burma,
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>> I.
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>> Mr. Courtney,
[1:57:37]
>> yes.
[1:57:37]
>> Mr. Taylor,
[1:57:38]
>> no.
[1:57:40]
>> Miss Epste,
[1:57:41]
>> yes.
[1:57:42]
>> Mr. Gregory,
[1:57:42]
>> no.
[1:57:44]
>> Miss Kramer,
[1:57:45]
>> yes.
[1:57:47]
>> Miss McGuire,
[1:57:48]
>> hi.
[1:57:48]
>> Dr. Rossmith,
[1:57:49]
>> hi.
[1:57:49]
>> Miss Sparrow,
[1:57:50]
>> yes.
[1:57:50]
>> Mr. Whan,
[1:57:52]
>> yes.
[1:57:52]
>> Mr. Woodri,
[1:57:53]
>> hi.
[1:57:53]
>> Mr. Zella,
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>> I
[1:57:55]
>> Thank you. The ordinance is dy adopted.
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>> Thank you. Um, moving on to the adoption
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of ordinance chapter 107, official map
[1:58:04]
vacation of a portion of Morris Road,
[1:58:06]
Windwood. And you'll find this on page
[1:58:08]
26 in your packets.
[1:58:11]
So this is an ordinance to amend the
[1:58:12]
official map of streets of the township
[1:58:14]
of lower Marian adopt pursuant to the
[1:58:17]
provisions of the code of the township
[1:58:19]
of lower Maran chapter 107 entitled
[1:58:22]
official map to vacate and abandon a
[1:58:24]
portion of a certain rightway being a
[1:58:26]
portion of Morris Road 50t wide from
[1:58:29]
Lancaster Avenue North to the distance
[1:58:31]
of approximately 160 ft in the township
[1:58:34]
of lower Maran. This ordinance was
[1:58:36]
authorized for advertisement as stated
[1:58:38]
in the meeting of the board of
[1:58:39]
commissioners held on July 15, 2026 and
[1:58:42]
duly advertised in the September 6th and
[1:58:44]
September 13, 2026 editions of the
[1:58:47]
mainline times and suburban. We'll start
[1:58:50]
with a motion to adopt ordinance number
[1:58:51]
4342. Do I have a second? Uh,
[1:58:54]
Commissioner Whan,
[1:58:56]
there any questions from the board for
[1:58:58]
the staff or comments for discussion?
[1:59:02]
Uh, seeing none, Madam Secretary, it's a
[1:59:04]
roll call vote. the adoption of
[1:59:06]
ordinance 4342. Mr. Burnheim,
[1:59:08]
>> I
[1:59:09]
>> Mr. Courtney,
[1:59:10]
>> yes.
[1:59:10]
>> Mr. Daly,
[1:59:12]
>> I
[1:59:13]
>> Miss Epstein.
[1:59:14]
>> Yes.
[1:59:14]
>> Mr. Gregory.
[1:59:15]
>> Hi,
[1:59:15]
>> Miss Kramer.
[1:59:17]
>> Yes.
[1:59:17]
>> Miss Magguire.
[1:59:18]
>> Hi,
[1:59:19]
>> Dr. Ross.
[1:59:19]
>> Hi,
[1:59:20]
>> Miss Sparrow.
[1:59:20]
>> Yes,
[1:59:21]
>> Mr. Wh.
[1:59:22]
>> Yes.
[1:59:22]
>> Mr. Woodri,
[1:59:23]
>> yes.
[1:59:23]
>> Mr. Zella,
[1:59:25]
>> I.
[1:59:25]
>> The ordinance is dually adopted.
[1:59:27]
>> Right. On to our last one. Adoption of
[1:59:30]
ordinance chapter 145 vehicles and
[1:59:32]
traffic left turn restrictions on
[1:59:33]
McGomery Avenue from Brookway Road and
[1:59:36]
North Bowman Avenue which you'll find on
[1:59:38]
page 33 of your packets. Um, so this is
[1:59:41]
an ordinance to amend the code of the
[1:59:44]
township of Laura Marian chapter 145
[1:59:46]
thereof entitled vehicles and traffic
[1:59:48]
article 15 schedules uh 145-106
[1:59:53]
schedule 6 intersections restricted as
[1:59:55]
to turns and through traffic by
[1:59:57]
restricting left-hand turns on
[1:59:59]
Montgomery Avenue from Brookway Road to
[2:00:01]
North Bowman Avenue. This ordinance was
[2:00:04]
authorized for advertisement at a stated
[2:00:06]
meeting of the board of commissioners
[2:00:07]
held on August 3rd, 2026 and duly
[2:00:10]
advertised in September 6th and
[2:00:11]
September 13th, 2026 editions of the
[2:00:14]
mainline Times and Suburban. Make a
[2:00:16]
motion to adopt ordinance number 4343.
[2:00:18]
Do I have a second? Commissioner
[2:00:20]
Burnernheim. Uh any questions for staff
[2:00:22]
or board comments?
[2:00:25]
Nope. All right, Madam Secretary, that's
[2:00:28]
uh calls for another roll call vote
[2:00:30]
>> for the adoption of ordinance 4343. Mr.
[2:00:33]
Bur,
[2:00:34]
>> I.
[2:00:34]
>> Mr. Courtney,
[2:00:35]
>> yes.
[2:00:35]
>> Mr. Dailyy,
[2:00:36]
>> hi.
[2:00:36]
>> Miss Epste,
[2:00:37]
>> yes.
[2:00:38]
>> Mr. Graham,
[2:00:38]
>> hi.
[2:00:39]
>> Miss Kramer,
[2:00:40]
>> yes.
[2:00:41]
>> Miss Magguire,
[2:00:41]
>> hi.
[2:00:42]
>> Dr. Ross,
[2:00:43]
>> hi.
[2:00:43]
>> Miss Farah,
[2:00:44]
>> yes.
[2:00:44]
>> Mr. Whan,
[2:00:45]
>> yes.
[2:00:45]
>> Mr. Wood,
[2:00:46]
>> yes.
[2:00:46]
>> Mr. Zilla,
[2:00:47]
>> hi.
[2:00:48]
>> The ordinance is dory adopted.
[2:00:49]
>> All right. Thank you, Madam Secretary.
[2:00:51]
Is there any unfinished business to come
[2:00:53]
before the board?
[2:00:55]
Any new business?
[2:00:57]
All right. With that, I uh this meeting
[2:00:59]
is adjourned. Thank you and have a good
[2:01:01]
night.
[2:01:03]
All right.
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Heat. Heat.