[0:03] Okay. >> But Kate law

[0:15] » I worked for the city of Englewood

[0:20] challenging because they have all the general.

[0:24] » So yeah, I learned a lot.

[0:29] I don't blame you. I'm about to go back to my left Westminster lady.

[0:46] [music]

[0:49] We're live. Okay, Jason, do you want to call immed?

[0:55] » Go ahead and call. The immediate order is 6 o'clock, November 25th, 2025. Start

[1:02] with roll call. >> Jason Beer

[1:07] » here. >> Uh Bob Lewig

[1:10] » here. >> Jesse West.

[1:12] » Craig Bolan >> here.

[1:14] » Rocky Summers >> here. Josh,

[1:17] Kathy Taylor here.

[1:22] We have a quorum. >> Thank you.

[1:25] » Moving on to approval of the agenda. Everybody had a chance to look over the

[1:28] agenda. Is there any additions or things you'd

[1:32] like to see changed?

[1:37] » I move to approve the agenda as presented. Second.

[1:42] » So moved and second to approve the agenda. Any discussion?

[1:47] None. All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:50] » All opposed. Motion carries.

[1:56] Moving on to number three, public comments. I'm sorry. Commissioner

[1:59] members comments. Anybody have anything before you get started?

[2:04] No. Like to welcome Cassie. It's our first

[2:07] meeting. Welcome. Thanks for being here. >> Thank you.

[2:11] » Proceed with public comments.

[2:17] anybody like comments.

[2:25] Uh so my name is Renee and today we purchased 205 East Avenue N which was

[2:33] formerly known as the old Culligan warehouse.

[2:37] Our address has been changed to reflect um a correct location on the block. So,

[2:42] we're now formerly known as 213 East AppN.

[2:47] Yes. Um, we're here to partition and respectfully request you guys consider

[2:53] changing zoning. So, we are zoned commercial and we would hope to be zoned

[2:58] as a mixed use um for here in Lions. some of the the benefits of reszoning.

[3:05] Um, as Lions continues to evolve and change,

[3:11] so do its needs. Our property, um, in the current commercial designation

[3:17] remained underutilized for an extended period of time. If my memory serves me

[3:22] correct, um, it was on the market for almost four years.

[3:26] So, by repurposing an ex an existing building, um, it encourages smart

[3:32] growth. We purchased the property in September of 2024, and we take great

[3:37] pride in our ownership, and we've we took just 14 loads to the dump, just

[3:43] cleaning out our lot. That was our sideyard and the front yard that we own.

[3:48] Um, that's not including any of the materials that we removed out of the

[3:53] building. Um

[3:57] there are several nearby properties that also share the same uh problem or issue

[4:04] that we have in that it's a combination of residential and commercial. So we

[4:10] would hope that with there being multiple properties that there is a need

[4:14] in Lions to to reszone. Um,

[4:20] as far as public safety goes, we feel like we are enhancing like a

[4:24] neighborhood crime watch area. We are there constantly. We see what's

[4:28] happening. Um, our own personal security cameras have picked up on um some theft

[4:34] in the area which was reported to the police department. Um, they monitor our

[4:40] neighborhood a lot more closely. We see them go by on our cameras about 6 to

[4:44] eight times a night as they go down through um our area. So having a

[4:51] mixeduse property and having people in a commercial and residential area, it

[4:56] discourages crime. Um

[5:01] we um we believe that it provides a stronger um property value. Um, we're

[5:09] paying taxes as residents of Lions and um, we pay higher [clears throat] fees

[5:15] um, being a commercial building and our tax dollars are helping out the city.

[5:21] We also believe that our property and other properties that would be mixed to

[5:26] zoning encourage community interactions and social cohesion. Um, I opened two

[5:33] businesses out of that building that we now live in. um Wills You Craft with Me

[5:38] and Wills You Photography. My craft business provided a place for

[5:44] people to come in Lions, not having to leave this amazing little community and

[5:50] spend their tax dollars in Hutch or Great Bend or Salina. [music] Um, I was

[5:58] providing painting parties where we could get together and everyone was

[6:03] welcome to to join us and have fun and laugh and build this sense of community.

[6:10] And we had a great time doing it. It's kind of been put on the back burner as

[6:16] we've been trying to get ourselves situated and and make it more of a

[6:21] residential, but I I'm not giving up Wills You Craft with Me and [music]

[6:25] Wills You Photography. That is one of the reasons that we love our our town so

[6:33] much is because we can provide a service that's needed. Um, and everyone was

[6:38] enjoying the fact that there was a place that

[6:42] they could go to enjoy gathering and socializing and being

[6:47] together. Um, as this community evolves, having

[6:52] mixed zoning in place allows for an easy transition back and forth between it

[6:57] being a mixeduse or commercial property or residential. Um,

[7:03] our building was underutilized for so long and it's great to see life coming

[7:08] back into it and I see that in the town of Lions. We want to breathe life into

[7:13] our community. Um, we picked Lions because the people picked us.

[7:21] When we first started looking at where to move, um, Colorado was not affordable

[7:27] anymore and and we had a list of places and states and Kansas was on our short

[7:34] list and we kept coming here to visit and we kept going to different places

[7:37] and one of my co-workers back in Colorado, she was a speech therapist at

[7:41] my school for deaf and heart of hearing. She um she said, "You walk into the town

[7:47] and you go to the coffee shop and if they look at you like you're aliens,

[7:53] that's not your town. And if you walk in and they act like, "Hey, where have you

[7:59] been your whole life?" That's your town. And that's what happened when we walked

[8:03] into Lions. We looked at other towns in the state. We went to Pratt. We looked

[8:07] at St. John. I thought for sure we were going to land in Morning,

[8:12] but we walked into Brew 56 and that sealed the deal. We walked into

[8:18] our town, our community, the place where we wanted our kids to know [music]

[8:22] people because in Colorado, you don't get to know anybody anymore. No one has

[8:27] relationships. No one talks. It's go to work, get home, go to work, get home

[8:33] every day. And Lions is our [music] our home. We fell in love with the people in

[8:40] this community. They're kind. They're genuine. And these people we now call

[8:44] our friends. We've immersed ourselves into this community. [music]

[8:50] We get to be your Mr. and Mrs. Claus. Um we take part in your parades and we

[8:56] really like being just good neighbors and responsible citizens. So, we would

[9:01] hope and encourage the commission to think about changing the zoning so that

[9:07] mixed use becomes a possibility here in Lions. Thank you for your time.

[9:14] » Thank you.

[9:29] Moving on to item number four, business items to consider.

[9:33] Yes, sir. So, the first one we have up, it's a great segue from a public

[9:36] comment. Um, is about the mixed use designation. So, um, these lovely folks

[9:43] approached us earlier in the year from what I understand about attempting to

[9:47] change zoning. Um, and we were actually planning on doing a reszone as you might

[9:52] have seen from the first initial draft agendas. Um, then we made the

[9:57] realization that we don't have a mixed use designation in our code. Um, and so

[10:01] that's the first step in being able to reszone to a mixed use. So in the memo

[10:05] you all received, it kind of gives a explanation of similar stories. um where

[10:11] we have multiple buildings that are technically quoteunquote out of

[10:15] compliance because our options for reszoning are residential, commercial,

[10:20] industrial, and I think one other that's [clears throat] like for a planned unit

[10:23] development. Um so there's not really a great option for places that are, you

[10:29] know, either zoned commercial and have owner operating living spaces or places

[10:33] that are zoned residential and still have that same mix of business and

[10:37] residential residential. Um, so what I would ask from planning commission

[10:41] tonight is you all have a conversation about whether this is something you want

[10:43] to explore. Um, if it is at the next planning commission meeting, um, you

[10:48] know, or if there's anything specific you want to see in a mixeduse

[10:51] definition, um, we can work with the city attorney to draft something up and

[10:56] get a formal recommendation to council if that's what you guys would like to

[10:59] pursue.

[11:05] Well, I guess I'll kick off the discussion then if that's what we're

[11:08] after, right? >> Yep.

[11:09] » Um, so I I concur that that we probably need to

[11:15] have definitive usage for for those mixed uses, right?

[11:21] Um, I know our current general commercial district covers

[11:26] apartments on floors other than the ground floor. I'm taking this as one

[11:29] single level floor. it it has a single level floor, but it

[11:34] also has a lot >> has a lot and we would be utilizing both

[11:37] of those areas. >> So, I know that that that that little

[11:42] caveat covers most of the area around the square that does have apartments

[11:45] above it. >> So, we're good there.

[11:48] Um I don't know of how many other businesses have

[11:53] that would have a need to do a multi-use with with the exception of their their

[12:00] location. I do think though as we as we draft some

[12:05] verbiage for it, um some things that just kind of pop in my head is different

[12:10] entrances separate from the resident side from the business side to keep

[12:16] things separate. You know, obviously you want to have definitive lines between

[12:20] this is our home versus this is the business side. Um I know there's

[12:25] exceptions there with daycarees, right? daycarees are very inh home daycarees

[12:30] are very regul regulated um on how big the entrance has to be and

[12:36] all those types of things. So, I think if if we're going to draft a a multi-use

[12:41] or a mixeduse ordinance or a or a a zone there, we

[12:47] probably ought to have some some language that def defines that of this

[12:51] is the home space versus this is the living space and and the business space.

[12:58] Um,

[13:04] outside of that, that's really the only concerns I have. Um, I don't know what

[13:08] the liability insurance side of things would be. I'm not an insurance guy, but

[13:13] I would have a guess of if if it's a business/home

[13:17] all in the same space. Is it a homeowner's insurance? Is it business

[13:20] insurance? I can see that being complicated, especially if somebody were

[13:25] fall and get hurt, walking in and out of the front door. Is it the homeowner side

[13:31] or is it business side? So, I think having some definitive clarity there is

[13:35] a big deal. But thoughts? I agree with that risk with the uh you

[13:41] know potential for injury or somebody you know getting hurt or whatever with

[13:45] having the definitive separation between the home itself and the business. I

[13:52] think that would probably help a lot with defining that. Um, would this were

[13:59] you talking about including other structures in town like existing

[14:03] structures only or would we be talking about new construction?

[14:09] » I think that would be a decision for you all to make. Um,

[14:12] » yeah, cuz I think we would basically create a new zone,

[14:16] » right? >> Right. We would draft that, get that

[14:18] pushed through, and then anything I mean, we could probably do a an

[14:25] adoption. I don't know if we can do that. That'd be up to the city attorney

[14:28] to tell us what we can and cannot do across what already exists

[14:32] » without everybody having to go through a reszoning hearing.

[14:36] » Yeah. So, you can reszone districts um like as a whole or just like certain

[14:41] areas. So, you can do kind of chunks at once if that um is something you guys

[14:46] are interested in or you can kind of take it as issues come up um like this.

[14:50] And >> I would take it that way. I think it

[14:52] would be better to have the individual buildings come up and ask for the

[14:58] reasonzoning simply because the issue I agree I think the residential and the

[15:03] business should be separate in the buildings. Um therefore I think the

[15:09] planning commission should have oversight of does that exist in the

[15:14] building can it exist in the building situations like that. Therefore, I don't

[15:20] I don't think this [music] blanketing, you know, hey, these properties are okay

[15:24] » because then we could still have the the code enforcement and city inspector come

[15:28] through and say, yes, it's compliant. Uh, and then you get into the whole ADA

[15:32] side of the things, right? If you're remodeling anything, it's got to have

[15:35] ADA compliant doors and things like that. So, um,

[15:40] yeah, I think it's going to have to be in eaches.

[15:43] Is it is it a big enough need to create a new zone or is it just we we draft

[15:50] variances for the eaches that come up with the need?

[15:56] » I think from this is my opinion so feel free to take it with a grain of salt

[16:00] just from the perspective of administrative burden on the owners I

[16:03] think having a designated zone makes it a little more clear. Um but also um you

[16:09] know a variance is an option. um variances get a little hard to track

[16:14] over the years. So, >> right, especially if we grant a variance

[16:17] and say in two years they they move, they sell the building and we don't we

[16:22] no longer have visibility of what what that is. So,

[16:26] » is there a precedent in in surrounding communities?

[16:30] » Um there's a precedent in a lot of communities. I haven't looked in the

[16:33] surrounding ones specifically. Um but a mixeduse designation is really common

[16:37] and that's why I thought that it existed to be completely honest. Um, yeah. So,

[16:42] » I was thinking, you know, hair hair salons. It's pretty common to have one

[16:45] in the back of the house and have it up front.

[16:47] » I did know about how they went about that.

[16:50] » Of course, I'm sure you have to have a homeowner's policy plus a business

[16:53] policy as far as the insurance goes. And then, of course, you have a professional

[16:57] liability policy. >> Yeah. The entrance. I remember because

[16:59] my aunt had one and she had to remodel part of her house to accommodate

[17:04] » how big the entrance was, seating area, stuff like that. So, there's some

[17:08] there's some weird things in there as far as regulatory guidance goes. So,

[17:14] » I like the idea of having a mixed use uh as long as like Jason said, we can kind

[17:18] of enforce that, make sure the business portion [music] is ADA compliant and

[17:22] meets regulatory benchmarks, but I would have assumed we

[17:28] had already had some things. I was curious about the square and of course

[17:31] he has it pulled up here, so that answers my question.

[17:41] Cassie, anything to add?

[17:46] » Um, I know that we're talking about commercial buildings. Um, I would just

[17:49] be aware, you know, of people saying, "Oh, we can do this um mixed use," and

[17:56] then they turn they put a business in the back of their home kind of thing or

[18:00] something like that. You know, I don't see that happen.

[18:03] » Yeah, that's a good that's a good point. Right. and we don't want to drive people

[18:06] away from retail space and and function out of their garage, right? So, it's

[18:10] kind of a like you like like Craig said, we want to look at the Eges and not

[18:16] blanket it just to make sure that we still encourage retail space that that

[18:21] we're going to talk about next. >> Um,

[18:25] so yeah, that's a good point. Good point. Yeah, because that's a slippery

[18:28] slope. I would suggest that we just include

[18:33] existing retail design currently designated retail space

[18:39] as it is. For example, the build the structure that they purchased was a

[18:44] retail or storage building and they've adapted it for to a living space.

[18:51] I would suggest just doing that rather than hitting residential areas as well,

[18:55] current residential areas. Yeah, >> I think it'd be good to add the mixed

[19:00] the mixed uh >> what I want to say

[19:03] » the mixed design destination uh and then they have to each individual have to

[19:06] come before us and we kind of >> I don't want to say

[19:10] » send inspectors and make sure there's >> there's the ability to segregate

[19:14] » control it that way rather than >> Yeah. Yep.

[19:20] » And then I see there's there's three options there

[19:24] between the registration and the >> Oh, for the correction

[19:28] » that's ahead. Sorry. >> Well, like I said, I like the idea of

[19:34] having a mixed designation. >> Okay. So, just to recap what I'm

[19:38] hearing, we like the idea of having a mixed designation. Um, but kind of just

[19:43] create it as an option and then if reszones need to happen, it goes through

[19:46] the normal resone process. Yes. Yes. Okay.

[19:49] » Yeah. That way we can we can have I don't want to say oversight, but that's

[19:53] the best word for it. Oversight of who's doing what with what businesses, what

[19:57] residences, things like that. So, >> okay. We will get something together um

[20:01] for the next planning commission meeting.

[20:03] » And if you get enough drafts, if you want to send

[20:07] that out to us, let's proofread it out. >> Absolutely. and and even if we find

[20:12] things, maybe we even send it back say, "Hey, we tweak your add subtract [music]

[20:16] things like that." >> Yep.

[20:18] » Tweak those things. But I like that. >> I do have a question. Um in this

[20:22] explanation, uh increase opportunities for housing

[20:26] production, particularly in commercial corridors

[20:30] where residential use are currently limited or disallowed. What's what that

[20:35] does that involve? So, I think kind of the idea is that if you know there's

[20:40] commercial buildings where there's an upstairs that maybe is not an apartment

[20:44] or a living space, but there's potential for it to become one, having a mixeduse

[20:48] designation can encourage that because it's seen as an [music] option to

[20:52] pursue. Um, >> yeah.

[20:55] » So, that's basically what that >> saying. I did have one question as far

[21:00] as your guys' burden. If we do this mixed use uh the address like we were

[21:06] talking if they resone to this mixed use designation does that mean they have to

[21:10] have two addresses one for the business and one for the residential

[21:15] I would assume. >> That's a great question. I'm not sure

[21:18] but I can look into it and get back to you.

[21:21] » That would be my guess. Yeah. legal description of each address,

[21:26] » right? >> That would help the insurance problem,

[21:29] too. >> I I just I need to do this short answer

[21:33] that right now, especially for our place. We were addressing incorrectly

[21:38] when we took the building and it took them about a year to get us

[21:44] addressed right and there is no address that can go in between us. This one's

[21:50] 215 for 213 and 21. >> A

[21:57] we still struggle. We can't get mail or deliveries at our place.

[22:01] » Yeah. >> You can't get Amazon. You can't get

[22:05] anything. >> That was the one. Like I said, I'm sure

[22:09] trying to keep them separate. Like Jason was saying, I'm sure you'll have to

[22:12] there's probably a lot more to that. I'll have to go through and probably

[22:15] split the property to be technically accurate that way.

[22:20] 205A and the 205B. >> Yeah. Or that's a great sweep.

[22:27] » If we do that, how does that work for utilities [music] and things like that?

[22:32] » So, that's only going to change depending on like So, we had people just

[22:38] purchase another portion of the building, but there's already [music]

[22:41] like there's two hookups for water. So, in order for that to be considered one,

[22:47] they would have to combine it. But the other

[22:51] that would fall under another thing because you would have to classify it

[22:55] different. But I know it also is done by pipe and um yeah y'all that would be

[23:02] another thing you would have to consider because the commercial rate is different

[23:05] than the residential rate. And then um yeah that's definitely something y'all

[23:10] would have to consider and probably put in there as well.

[23:13] » So would that just be the responsibility of the owner?

[23:18] I think I think we kind of need to do some research. Like I said, I like the

[23:22] idea. There's just logistically I don't know on your guys' staff going [music]

[23:25] through and >> yeah, I think the utility RFI is a is a

[23:30] big rock that we got to figure out what that utility piece looks like. Not I

[23:34] mean gas, electric, [music] water, all that.

[23:37] » Um trash service another thing to look at.

[23:42] » We don't get that offer trash.

[23:45] » Yeah. We take care of that all the commercial.

[23:53] » Yep. Okay. We will look into those things and get you some more information

[23:57] [music] on them. >> But yeah, I like the idea of mixed use.

[24:00] I think we're all in clearance there. So, I think going forward with drafting

[24:05] that up and working that through the pipeline.

[24:07] » Yes, sir. Great.

[24:11] » Any other discussion or comments before you move on? Very

[24:17] good. We'll move on to commercial vacancy information.

[24:23] » Yeah. So, this is something I was asked to look at um when I first started at

[24:27] the city a couple months ago um to try to think of some ways to address

[24:32] vacancies [clears throat] in commercial buildings um and try to think of ways to

[24:36] encourage um non- vacancies. So, filling those vacancies. Um, so there's a lot of

[24:43] different cities that do this in a lot of different ways. So this is a very

[24:46] scalable [music] thing. Um, and the options that are presented in the memo

[24:50] kind of reflect that. So option one is kind of a lightweight registration where

[24:55] we just require after a certain number of days that um, commercial buildings

[25:00] that are vacant register with us. Um, that's a way for us to just track and

[25:04] know. Um, and yeah, that's pretty much it. Um, so

[25:12] option A is good for kind of an initial thing. Um, it doesn't give you a ton of

[25:18] incentive. Um, when the goal of something like this is to incentivize

[25:21] property owners or managers to fill vacant fill vacancies. Um, option two is

[25:28] kind of a middle ground where it's a registration plus a fee. Um, so that fee

[25:33] can be incremental, um, it can escalate, it can be kind of whatever you want. Um,

[25:39] but it does kind of find that middle ground of creating a financial incentive

[25:43] for folks to fill the vacancies in their buildings, um, while still, um, yeah,

[25:50] not going super overboard. Um, [music] option three is pretty comprehensive. Um

[25:57] and that adds mechanisms where if the vacancy

[26:02] isn't filled, then the city um requires formal action to be taken to either

[26:09] acquire the property into a land bank um to rehabilitate the properties. Um like

[26:15] I said, that one's pretty extreme, but it is done in certain places. So, I just

[26:18] wanted to give you guys all the options and kind of show you how it can scale

[26:22] from just a simple registry that the city keeps um to something all the way

[26:27] through more direct action. Um so, yeah, I would love thoughts, discussion, um

[26:35] any other additional ideas on how we could encourage um lower rates of

[26:39] vacancy in commercial buildings. I reading through this, I kind of liked

[26:45] option B. Honestly, I think it's a good idea.

[26:50] » The registration, will that be something? Let's say you have a

[26:52] prospective business that wants to come to town, they come here to city hall,

[26:55] they say, "Hey, you know, do you know of any properties?" And you just have a

[26:58] list. >> Yeah. And that's also kind of a way you

[27:01] can incentivize it, too, is kind of turn it into an advertising list for those

[27:04] owners. You can say, "We'll provide this to people who come to ask us for

[27:08] business spaces." So,

[27:12] » I like option B. I I I don't know that you'll get anybody to do it unless you

[27:18] impose some sort of a fee. Of course, you know, nobody likes paying

[27:23] fees, but I I think that's a good, like I said, balance balanced deterrence,

[27:28] but it is still manageable for the staff you have. Yeah, because this is going

[27:32] back a couple I think when when Ed was still here, we talked about figuring

[27:36] something out and then Troy and I talked about it just a few weeks ago also. So,

[27:41] it's been some we've been trying to figure out how to do it. Other towns

[27:43] have been doing it successfully. So, um yeah, I think option B, I think if we

[27:50] were just going to try it out, see how it tastes, go with hay. Um but I think

[27:56] we're it's going to be successful. I feel good about it, but we have to make

[28:00] it I don't want to say painful, but uncomfortable to where the business

[28:04] owners, I'm sorry, the building owners that own the property [music] are

[28:09] incentivized to to do something with it, not just sit on it because they can't.

[28:14] » As a preliminary idea, you said after a few days, they they need to register it

[28:18] after a few days of vacancy. When are we thinking as far as imposing fees?

[28:25] » That differs. That would be up to you all's perview and a recommendation. I've

[28:29] seen everything from, you know, after, you know, you have to register after 30

[28:33] to 60 days and then fees [music] start incurring after a year. Um, I've seen

[28:39] like an initial fee that you have to pay and then do it. I've seen six months.

[28:43] So, it's really all over. >> Do we have records of who owns all of

[28:49] the vacant buildings around the square? >> Yes, we should.

[28:56] I know there's several buildings that have been empty since I've lived here

[29:00] for 12 years. Um, and some of them need some serious rehab. So, how would we go

[29:06] [music] about holding accountable those owners to get those buildings back up to

[29:11] code so that they can be on a list and ready for [music] the next tenant?

[29:19] Well, and I know there's some of those that have that have received grants and

[29:22] different things to improve and make updates and

[29:26] uh make those buildings suitable and just haven't really been held to the

[29:30] fire to to finish those things. So, I think this is part of that of

[29:35] incentivizing them to actually go through with it. Um, and if need be,

[29:39] penalize them at some point because we could obviously escalate to that point

[29:44] to where we can penalize them. Say, "No, you have to do something with it because

[29:48] it's, you know, it's a blight on the community. It's a big empty hole and the

[29:53] once once was a beautiful part of the town and it's just an empty hole. So,

[29:59] but yeah, I'm in favor of B. Um, I think we need to kind of tweak it a little

[30:02] bit. Figure out what the fee schedule might look like with the registration

[30:07] process. Uh, what's the grace period? I mean, if we adopt it, are we going to

[30:12] say 90 days, 120 days? Are we going to send out notices to

[30:17] everybody? Probably. Um, but I think I think definitely want to

[30:22] look into it. Worst case scenario, I see on here the escalating fee schedule and

[30:27] say it caps out of 400. Is there any like I said worst case scenario, let's

[30:31] say that the the owner just says, "Hey, you know, I'll just I'll just pay $400 a

[30:36] month." Is there anything else that we say, "Hey, you have a year or

[30:41] whatever or else?" >> Yeah. And that's where the option three

[30:44] kind of comes or option C. Um that's kind of where people tend to take those

[30:48] more aggressive approaches of transferring it into a land bank. Um

[30:52] that is pretty aggressive and it would take a lot of staff time. Um, so I'm not

[30:56] sure if we have the capacity for that step quite yet, but it could definitely

[30:59] be something you revisit if we see that not being effective.

[31:02] » I was just thinking, yeah, if you do option B and and like I said, I'm sure

[31:06] this wouldn't happen, but if somebody just went three or four years, they're

[31:10] just like, okay, I'm just going to pay the $400 a month.

[31:13] » Is it monthly or is it annual >> or whatever whatever it may be,

[31:16] » whatever you decide. >> I think we can make this whatever we

[31:20] want. Whether it be monthly, yearly, the dollar amount can be whatever.

[31:29] » Okay. Well, um, given this discussion, what I'm hearing is I should draft

[31:34] something similar to option B, bring it back to you all to make a recommendation

[31:37] for things like days, time [music] frames, amounts, um, that you can then

[31:42] recommend to council. >> Yeah.

[31:43] » Sound plan? >> Yes.

[31:45] » Yeah. And I think I think we I don't want to put it I feel like a $400 cap is

[31:51] is pretty cheap. >> Agreed.

[31:56] » Well, annually because I don't want to

[32:00] penalize somebody monthly. But I think after the first year, [music] we can

[32:06] really start to ramp that up unless they show like, hey, I'm actively trying to

[32:09] recruit a business, right, >> or something, a tenant to take it over.

[32:14] Um, and then like you said, we want to

[32:18] combat that. Well, I'll just I'll just give you I'll just give you a thousand

[32:21] bucks and that'll get me over for the next five years.

[32:24] » Right. >> Cool. See you later.

[32:25] » Right. >> And then they don't think about it

[32:27] again. That's that's the [music] probably the approach.

[32:31] » I like the complete certain monthly. I like the monthly as well because it

[32:37] » keeps it on top of the priority. >> As a year goes by, it gets more and more

[32:43] aggressive both in dollar amount and frequency. So like first year is a year,

[32:49] next year is every quarter and it's double [music] what the first year was

[32:53] for example >> and then it's every month the following

[32:57] year >> just to

[33:01] » put some pressure down on the on the company or the uh the property owner to

[33:07] get something in there to or to sell it, >> right?

[33:10] » Yeah. I like the idea of putting a little pressure on them just to get some

[33:14] something out of them, whether it's, you know, put it up for sale, remodel it so

[33:19] it can be usable or rented. Um, and just, you know, cuz like like you guys

[33:25] said, you know, 400 bucks to um some people,

[33:30] » that's it'll just stay the same and nothing will ever happen with it. Right.

[33:36] » I I would suggest annually simply because the city is going to have to

[33:40] administer ad minister this and having to do it monthly is going to be a pretty

[33:45] good burden on the city. What if we met in the middle and did like the first

[33:48] year was an annual thing and then after the first year of vacancy after the

[33:52] registration then it's six months and then after that second year then it's

[34:00] every other month or or even monthly at that point say hey now the clock's

[34:04] ticking and then we've just continue to compound

[34:08] the fees and they just continue to compound until we'll either show that

[34:12] they're actively recruiting making efforts to keep business. Uh I know the

[34:17] the cost of some of those buildings is what keeps a lot of the businesses out

[34:22] of them. Um so I think that'll help combat that a little bit too. Property

[34:29] owner will be incentivized to okay, I'm going to keep this guy in here for a

[34:32] cheaper price other than paying >> right

[34:35] » yearly and annual monthly fees. So I think go with option B with with some

[34:42] option B with more options. Got it. >> Further f Yeah, it's recommendation.

[34:48] » Recommendation. >> Okay. All right. Well, I'll get that

[34:50] together for the next one. Um, yeah. [music] Great.

[34:58] » Anything else? Anything that comments, questions?

[35:04] » We're about thousand tonight. So, our next date and time will be

[35:08] December 18th, 6 p.m. And hopefully we'll have some more

[35:13] things to discuss. So, put that on your calendars. I'll call Josh and chastise

[35:17] him for not being here.

[35:22] » With that, do I have a motion for journ

[35:27] discussion, questions? >> All in favor say I.

[35:30] » I. All opposed. >> We're ajourned.

[35:34] We're >> coming. 67.

[35:37] » Thank you for being here, y'all. >> Appreciate you.

[35:44] » That's not >> for national meeting.

[35:47] » Oh, for national meeting.

[35:53] » Did you have one? We didn't have a corn. That was real fast.

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