[0:09] Okay, welcome to the September 15th, Mad River Valley Recreation District Board meeting.

[0:19] I'll put the go. We don't have any public here. On Zoom, we have Doug and there, otherwise we'll hear some absences.

[0:32] So we'll start with the draft minutes from last week, everyone have a chance to review those, any comments, any adjustments.

[0:44] You can go to your group.

[0:46] I'll second that.

[0:47] All in favor?

[0:49] Okay.

[0:49] All right.

[0:50] Okay.

[0:51] Okay.

[0:52] Right on to a matter of a report fair.

[0:55] Here you go.

[1:02] Yeah, so, um, lots to report. I just emailed you all some numbers that we got from our turf

[1:13] guy.

[1:16] Sorry, now I have to try to find it. I'm not sure what's going on here. Zoom seems

[1:24] to have completely taken over my computer.

[1:26] So I apologize.

[1:28] We could put it up on one of our screens.

[1:31] OK, that would be good.

[1:33] How about you?

[1:34] Close to you.

[1:34] And that's how to cute.

[1:36] It's cool.

[1:36] I can share it.

[1:38] All right.

[1:38] Good.

[1:38] And bear, I just did you see the email.

[1:42] I just sent you that C is not in there.

[1:45] That was a follow-up email.

[1:47] I said 10, for 20, 27.

[1:50] But I don't know when else is copied on it.

[1:53] OK.

[1:55] So that overseeding all seven acres would be 22, 50 and that would be in spring, so that's a 227 price.

[2:17] So anyway, what we're talking about is sort of different applications for the lacrosse end in the short term.

[2:26] because we're trying to get some more and better grasp growing. So this is Mark's proposal.

[2:39] And bear that, we asked him for like the very best you could do for the fields. And this is what he came back with.

[2:48] So I personally don't feel like we have to fertilize four times.

[2:52] I mean, you know, we have to fertilize,

[2:55] but we could decide to do it two or three times.

[2:58] So I just want everybody to know that that,

[3:00] because now this is shy of that, 2250.

[3:06] So with the end of that end.

[3:08] So it would be like up to 25,000, we're looking at it.

[3:11] If we do everything for turf only in 2027.

[3:16] that. That's a big bill, you know. Right and we have I think if we compare it to what

[3:23] happened, you know. And if we choose to fertilize for four applications,

[3:33] yeah. So point of

[3:45] $2,900 would be per application move out,

[3:49] we can throw, correct?

[3:51] Right.

[3:52] So when you add up all those numbers,

[3:54] you added in the $2,900, is it?

[3:57] So that's like sort of a double on the floor,

[4:00] letting it together, right?

[4:01] Yeah, it's gonna be one of the other, is that correct?

[4:03] Right, so the two numbers at the bottom $2,000, $21,000.

[4:07] Oh, okay, yeah.

[4:08] or $22,400.

[4:12] Gotcha.

[4:13] Yeah, okay, okay.

[4:14] We have to add the seed into this because we got it right.

[4:17] Exactly. So yeah.

[4:20] Are they willing to do this like all a car?

[4:23] Like if we can find donations or volunteer opportunities

[4:27] when they do willing to do like certain components

[4:30] or do they want to do the whole spend?

[4:32] I think Mark would be.

[4:34] He's I think he's very open to us doing

[4:37] as much as we can with volunteers and you know doing essentially whatever we need him to do.

[4:46] He's been he's been very accommodated and he really just wants to help. So yeah.

[4:53] So for example the aeration is that is that a one time how many times for aeration at once?

[4:59] twice. But it's total of like six grand. So and so yes, if you did a tweet fall

[5:07] hands, right. So that's an area that area that we might be able to. Well, that's the

[5:14] guy at GMVS was open to us using it. We just have to be able to somehow make it work.

[5:24] Right. That's a deep time narrator, which is slightly different than what

[5:29] Mark is proposing. Mark has a commercial stand on, but ride behind, erator, which is, I think, kind of somewhere between the deep-time erator that GMVS has and the backyard erator that Mike Nucci has been using.

[5:54] So, yes, we could get the deep-time aerator, but we were really looking at that for potentially just the lacrosse area where we really need to want to grow some grass.

[6:10] You know, the challenge is that we need to get it trailer to the park, and we would have to also trailer another tractor to pull it,

[6:17] because we wouldn't be able to pull it with our little tractor.

[6:21] So it's just a heavy left, so to speak.

[6:25] Anybody know, I mean, I have a trailer that

[6:28] couldn't transport it.

[6:30] Like, does anybody know Dave Partchorn very well?

[6:32] Like, he's not too far from there.

[6:34] When he have a tractor that he'd be willing to donate some time

[6:38] or trying to think of who else as like Ramsey

[6:41] or as pretty close to there, like who has big machinery

[6:44] that would be in that area that might have a tractor

[6:47] I think this is all good to be resourceful, but we are going to have to tell our insurance

[6:53] company we have volunteers using right now, we don't, we're not covered in that.

[7:00] So there is an extra cost to whatever we decide to do, need to be the bearers.

[7:10] I think it's something that we consider in subsequent years but to just get this all wrapped up.

[7:18] Yeah, because bears, when does I start to have Mark do what he's proposing here?

[7:23] Because what he's also proposing is after seeding, you have to water it every day.

[7:28] So that's already a huge...

[7:30] That is a huge lift because we, honestly, I don't think we actually could seed even all of the soccer fields in one day, right?

[7:46] So one round of the water wheel takes three to four hours, you know, so we could potentially,

[7:58] but it would be a huge lift for us to water the entire saw, all the soccer fields,

[8:05] the entire space every day for 10 days to get before the grass grows.

[8:12] So I have some concerns about that and I haven't really had a chance to wrap my brain around

[8:19] it.

[8:19] Yeah, this is for 2027, you're talking about because we're only doing aeration on the

[8:24] lacrosse fields, but we're talking about overseeing lacrosse fields, so we're only talking

[8:29] about watering every day, the lacrosse fields for 2026.

[8:35] That's correct, but that's still even if you're talking about watering all of the lacrosse

[8:43] That's three separate irrigation nozzles, three rounds of moving it each time takes four to five hours.

[8:55] We should probably actually extend the time that it's out there so that it's watering more in one round, watering for longer.

[9:06] Anyway, I don't know, do you have any thoughts on that, Kevin?

[9:10] I think we, all right, like Mark's planning for fall, I think if we do that, I've combined

[9:20] what he's done before that comes to just shy of $13,000 in the board.

[9:25] It had previously authorized, I think, a $20,000 for Turkey and its year.

[9:31] You have to add a thousand for the world testing.

[9:35] And then we can, let's get that underway, and then we can revisit the 2027 plan as a board,

[9:45] you know, a future meeting.

[9:47] Because there's questions about the type of real control use and that kind of thing.

[9:56] And maybe we can also explore help with the tractor and that kind of thing.

[10:01] So Doug would prepare to planning our budget for next year, though.

[10:07] We're looking at really having a preliminary look at our budget.

[10:11] Next meeting October and actually having a formal budget hearing on November.

[10:18] So trying to kind of die, I think we do have to anticipate what we will set aside.

[10:23] And it means, you know, kind of making a punchless of the questions that need to be researched so that we can get to what is the most reasonable ban for our book on this.

[10:37] And this, I, I don't think there's not, we haven't gotten more than one.

[10:43] But.

[10:43] No, too.

[10:45] Have the, from.

[10:48] Yeah, it was crazy high.

[10:51] Yeah.

[10:51] We're not going to work. I think Mark, you know, you guys are going to hear something like that.

[10:58] Yeah, it was more than done.

[11:01] It was fifty thousand dollars for one thousand.

[11:05] It was crazy.

[11:06] Is there any chance just thinking like when I see grass in my house, I would wait for like a weather window that's going to support it.

[11:14] Dude, do we think that we'll have that, like for instance, if we do that it was going to rain five out of seven days.

[11:20] I would really lighten the load on tears.

[11:23] Is he capable of pointing that way or is that not something

[11:27] that we could expect?

[11:30] Is all like we're gonna take away can give us

[11:32] or can we say like can we wait for what I window and that's you?

[11:36] Right.

[11:37] I think as far as I think Mark would work with us on that.

[11:41] Yes.

[11:43] It would be helpful.

[11:44] Because he, but he wants to get on with this pretty soon.

[11:51] He was recommending the fall treatments starting in the next couple weeks.

[11:57] So, you know, we're getting into fall. Hopefully we're going to have a little more rain and we have in the last two months.

[12:04] But one never knows. So we can certainly, you know, stay in touch with him and

[12:13] Um, aimed towards doing the overseeing prior to a, um, a wet, we're sure that would help a lot.

[12:25] It would help a lot. Yeah.

[12:28] Yeah.

[12:28] It's going to get soaked on Sunday with like a half inch.

[12:31] And then Monday's nice, but then the rest of the days are.

[12:35] But we really, we can't hit it until soccer is done.

[12:39] Is that right?

[12:40] Is that?

[12:40] Well, no, no, the lacrosse fields are, we essentially close the lacrosse fields till spring. So, the

[12:48] erration and overseeding really is just lacrosse fields. So, and we can't fertilize past October 15th

[12:57] first date. So, we've got a month. Yeah. And so, I think one thing, whether or not we're going to

[13:11] does kind of affect pricing and what we're going to do is, will we put pesticides on the fields

[13:18] again given that, you know, doing it properly this time with the 200 foot set back from that

[13:24] community. Well, or will we just not, we're just to analyze our seeding

[13:34] to see if we can get them feel it's better.

[13:38] I think that we all really have, like, the grub problem seems most perverse on the lacrosse

[13:45] end.

[13:46] That's also the end that's within the vocabulary for the well.

[13:50] So the only option we have is to use nematodes over there.

[13:54] In which case we might as well try them for the whole field.

[13:57] And we should see if it works, you know, I think it's work, try, rather than doing nothing.

[14:07] I agree.

[14:08] And I'd like to see us be as consistent with an eye to empathologically sound.

[14:19] Let me just ask you this, I thought you can't put anything within the 200 feet of the community.

[14:25] Well, I thought the, I thought that the, that name is very good sort of biological option was, okay, so research.

[14:36] Yeah, I think it's pesticides, Laura, that okay, that can't be within 200 feet of the well.

[14:42] All right, so we need to clarify that. And then what do you guys are leaning toward, you know,

[14:47] for analyzing twice a year, three times a year next year, four times, I mean.

[14:51] I would, you know, I think I'm sure that was the program I spent the past, but I wouldn't,

[14:59] yeah, I would be.

[15:00] I would object to starting with two, when I think that works. Yeah, the worst seems like a lot. We've always heard three is what's recommended. So, you know, Mark is always saying, like, the more you throw down the better, yeah, but I, as is in the go blog on it, I guess I would face it in and then, right. I think it can only get better, honestly.

[15:23] Um, uh, yeah, having said that, I don't know what my, you know, she's program ones.

[15:28] I know you've realized that at least once a year, maybe you can just do it in twice.

[15:32] No, I'm pretty sure I saw you once.

[15:34] I'll send this spring.

[15:36] Yeah, just don't go.

[15:37] And everybody knows he's not going to do any of that anymore.

[15:40] He sent us the email about that.

[15:43] So is the weed control, um, set up?

[15:48] Herbeside?

[15:50] I think, yeah, so I don't know that we would be doing any.

[15:53] herbicides given the well issue unless we wanted to market off and focus on. So we're really looking

[16:00] at fertilizer without weed. It's like the, yeah. Yeah. When ideally, if you get the grass to grow

[16:07] in a product out of the weeds, just what should happen. Right. A fun fact that I learned when we met with

[16:16] the state inspector guy is that as far as the state is concerned, herbicides and pesticides are

[16:23] all considered pesticides?

[16:27] Yeah, of course.

[16:30] I think, you know, I'm going, I think Kevin said this, like,

[16:35] I think maybe we tried twice.

[16:38] I think we go with Nematos.

[16:40] I think we consider it's due diligence.

[16:42] And then if we find that the Nematos are in effective,

[16:44] that's a conversation that we can bring up with

[16:46] leaders.

[16:47] Given what happened with the last instance,

[16:49] we can say, hey, we tried this biological method.

[16:52] that it didn't work in the way that we hoped, you know, that, that hopefully will, but, you know, and then I think at least it will be an improvement and that way it gives us also like a ramp up period for our budget.

[17:06] So we try to try to, and that is clearly not enough, then we know it's a plan for more of the following year, and we can sort of adjust the budget accordingly without taking it all in one big hit this next year.

[17:18] And Marx says the biggest factor is water.

[17:24] So I think we should figure out a way to get more volunteers,

[17:28] train them up and really next season,

[17:34] just have more water on the fields.

[17:36] Because it's not free, but if we're having volunteers doing it, it's nice to free.

[17:44] And of course you have a piece of huge difference.

[17:46] Yeah, and we have the equipment.

[17:52] So, bear, Kevin, let's strategize about how we might get some other people to

[17:58] join in the water team.

[18:00] We at bear had a really good meeting all the little kind, and I were there for the fields

[18:07] committee and a couple more volunteers to do watering at that meeting.

[18:15] Could it be something like, with little league, the parents rate the field after practices?

[18:22] Is it realistic where there could be some type of schedule per team that's scheduled at that time

[18:28] that, like, the last team to lead the field has a rotating parent, but it doesn't, and it just,

[18:33] or something, or is it, is it, yeah, I feel like, I mean, that's a possibility,

[18:40] the solar tower,

[18:41] the water reel and it has a battery so it should be able to run partly into the

[18:48] evening, but it's run out of juice like a part right through it and like to turn it off

[18:54] like at the end of the day just to make sure like the water is off yeah so I feel like

[19:02] we're kind of constrained to daylight hours and it's honestly with the watering we've been doing

[19:09] but see you pass well primarily in myself,

[19:12] like we've been hitting it super hard.

[19:15] I think we took, you see the weather forecast

[19:18] and the other's rain, the rain never comes.

[19:21] It's in the side of the water on that day.

[19:23] So I think one lesson is just hammered anyways.

[19:27] But I think it's really only a matter of another,

[19:31] very telling me if you think I'm wrong,

[19:33] I'm like three volunteers, you know.

[19:36] Martin, this works in the office across the street, and so

[19:40] he's with soccer association, he might be able to help.

[19:43] So I don't think it's like a huge left to get just a cup of more.

[19:46] Yeah.

[19:47] To jump in.

[19:48] I mean, I think that's an interesting thought, Luke, but I also am a little

[19:53] leary of sort of adding too many random people into the mix,

[19:59] because we're talking about the tractor that needs gas and the water wheel that is

[20:04] And you know, it's like it's um, I'd like to train up a core of, you know, six people who are just focused on that and not rely more on the coaches, because I know they're burdened already.

[20:22] Yeah, I just am cognizant that like part of Mike's tenure on this board was impacted by the fact that he was doing so much all the time.

[20:34] And for the sustainability of the folks that are doing this work, like it's amazing that people are willing to step up and do it.

[20:43] And you know, I just don't want to see people who are not doing it.

[20:47] Thank you. Good point.

[20:48] I think we'll find a couple more volunteers to help out of the rest of the fall, and then I think we can plan longer term, you know, through the spring season.

[21:02] Yeah, I agree.

[21:04] We're hoping you'll ever retire, you live just across the stream.

[21:08] You know, someone with a lot of time on this answer is like, does it never travel like the key for anything?

[21:12] You know, everybody.

[21:14] I have two members of a park-related questions

[21:16] when we're done with this chart discussion.

[21:19] Has there been an improvement in the LaCoste field, then?

[21:24] Huh?

[21:25] No, really.

[21:27] I mean, I think so.

[21:29] It's really enough, but there are still

[21:33] like patches that are great.

[21:36] You know, I think where the problem is,

[21:41] I mean, really, it's gonna be like,

[21:42] was that's where we want to get that grass growing. Well, we could also just decide to take

[21:50] a picture once a week or something like that and there's from the same standpoint. But there's

[21:56] a lot of ground grass there throughout the fields. I just said that was water. Yeah,

[22:07] I think

[22:08] next summer is like, we went to once over two weeks, let things kind of grow and save some money,

[22:14] but then when we came, it meant hot to get ready for the season. We've cut it extra short,

[22:20] then you're almost, you know, bottom of the place, I'm learning a lot about turf here,

[22:24] but bottom of the place, the place of grass or what's brown and shaded. So that's what's kind of,

[22:28] We'll see you all in the next one.

[22:30] It was recommended to us that we let the grass grow, you know, mo only every other week, but then, at the same time, you're not supposed to mo, at one time, more than, you know, a third of the

[23:01] grass stock at a time. So I think we just, when we asked Aiman to bring the blade down, I think

[23:09] it just, he brought it down too fast, essentially. But we, you know, so we should have eased into

[23:17] it over the course of a few more weeks, but we were getting a lot of complaints from soccer that

[23:23] the grass was too long, so there you go.

[23:27] So it seems like...

[23:27] On grass or grass, if we get in and to be amenable

[23:32] to being sensitive to the different areas

[23:34] that it's not like, but the grass grow a little bit longer.

[23:39] You know, so that it is when you cut it way down,

[23:43] it burns in the...

[23:45] So, right.

[23:46] Yeah, we just need to phase it in an earlier.

[23:48] I think that's summer.

[23:49] It's part of the way to handle it.

[23:51] Right.

[23:53] All right. Are you ready for my two questions? We go down to Earth?

[23:59] Okay, let's do it.

[24:00] I'm getting ready for it. Okay, so in correspondence with Mike Nucci, he was wondering why

[24:09] the mayor of her park feels manual wasn't on the website. And we've never had it on the website,

[24:17] but it made me think, do we want on the website?

[24:20] It is very out of date, but I should say this.

[24:23] It hasn't been looked at since he wrote it in 2017.

[24:27] So it makes it, we might want to keep everything

[24:29] most through the same, but I think there are changes

[24:32] that need to be made to it.

[24:36] So on that point, in the strategic plan,

[24:40] because we talked about trying to find a balance

[24:42] about how much information I'm at a river park

[24:45] and one proposal was, well let's not get to grain or let's direct them to the maintenance plan.

[24:51] So right now there's a link for it, which obligates us then to get it updated.

[25:00] And it could very least it needs to, I think it needs to be connected to the strategic plan.

[25:04] Yeah, yeah, I think that's good. But I think yeah, I think bear and Kevin just just read it.

[25:10] And then decide whether it's, you could take it on to update it, and I don't think you need

[25:17] to get the whole committee involved, there might be one or two topics that you need advice

[25:21] from the committee, or from the board, but, you know, it hasn't been adjusted, so, yeah.

[25:32] for my eyes on it before the next our next meeting or whatever in the next couple of weeks

[25:40] we can and hold it and the culvert so we're having the picture field meeting

[25:47] I'm looking at the kids playing soccer and they're so sweet and I look over to where the culvert is

[25:54] underneath is that you know a handicap accessible you know grass ramp with the railing down

[26:00] And there are younger siblings climbing through the corridor.

[26:05] It's about 25 feet long.

[26:07] It's about two feet or less than two feet diameter.

[26:13] And it just like did not look safe or good.

[26:17] And it filled with pride, right?

[26:19] It was drive.

[26:21] I mean, seasonally it's wet.

[26:22] So I assume kids don't crawl through it when it's wet.

[26:27] But you never know.

[26:27] I think that is a metal or plastic.

[26:30] It's concrete.

[26:32] Oh concrete.

[26:32] It is not intended as a plastered.

[26:35] So I think we should get grace on either end of it.

[26:40] I mean, I don't know.

[26:43] And here's a breeze getting caught in there.

[26:46] Yeah.

[26:50] I think we put a sign in.

[26:54] It says.

[26:54] Supervisor Children.

[26:59] I totally understand where you're coming from from a safety standpoint, Laura, but truly, if you add anything to the upstream side or the downstream side for that matter, you're just potentially adding flood issues to the field in that area because in a second anything you put on there could

[27:23] to back up that whole stream.

[27:27] But even if you did, what if you did just an X attached?

[27:32] I mean, that's not going to, you know, things are going to flow through that.

[27:35] I mean, or even one bar across.

[27:38] I mean, I'm just, I don't get to think as a safety issue because it's not that big.

[27:43] And some kids who's like a little bigger than his friends, and it happens all the time.

[27:49] I mean, those of you who are parents probably have seen it.

[27:53] It was the first time I saw it and I felt like, you know,

[27:57] that's one of the main attractions at the fields to make Americans.

[28:02] Well, I'm so sorry.

[28:04] And that makes me think in our grand plan, when we do a grant,

[28:09] we should maybe do a little place structure or something,

[28:13] because you guys, we would be responsible.

[28:16] We own this field.

[28:18] We know it's happening.

[28:20] I don't think we can do that.

[28:21] But we're not being negative.

[28:23] So, I think if it was a known hazard, but it means it's field given to her on a field.

[28:31] So, I mean, I might get a legal question.

[28:34] I think we want to protect the public, but.

[28:37] There's a lot of risks.

[28:39] There needs to be a moment and we have just been a public meeting, acknowledged that it could be hazard.

[28:47] So, I think that the very least there needs to be a sign.

[28:51] but this is not a place structure, but I would have the people that provide a place on how the sign is worth it, and actually it's a side of it.

[29:03] I think there's two things I think we can do is one, we still have outstanding questions for this stormwater permit.

[29:12] this is all connected, right, this is that we're not right.

[29:15] So I think I could 10 per of the photos and say,

[29:20] get your product through it, we want to see if the journey

[29:23] we could do to prevent that could be put,

[29:29] you know, it could have worked.

[29:30] I mean, if you put a bar for us, somebody can't crawl through it

[29:34] and then stuff isn't going to get,

[29:37] yeah, I'm not going to do it for, you know,

[29:40] So we're in primary.

[29:41] We're building offices.

[29:44] At the end of the year.

[29:45] Yeah, I think you can do some research on this.

[29:48] Yeah, sure, we're not the only people.

[29:50] Yeah, this happening.

[29:52] Yeah, yeah.

[29:53] And then the other thing is I can ask the LCT.

[29:56] I mean, that's where we get our insurance from.

[29:57] Maybe we go to the apartment and I can just.

[30:00] Saying, bunnies and just? Yeah, okay. Yeah, we're looking at the field's manual, we'll look into the attractive nuisance question.

[30:12] Good act. What measures would appropriate safeguard?

[30:21] A little if we gotta go for the legal advice.

[30:24] Yeah, exactly. Great. Okay. Good on the matter of work?

[30:29] Yeah, I'll just say that there's no jamboree's plan this year, so we shouldn't hear a told

[30:35] there shouldn't be like the parking nightmare, I think that's strong word, the issues that

[30:41] we have in the spring, but I'm going across and soccer, we're having a tournament play like

[30:47] at the same time.

[30:48] So, we're a couple, they just signages this year, we'll be sufficient, and we don't need

[30:54] Stewart's out there in a lot, directed.

[30:58] Great.

[31:00] Okay.

[31:02] Thank you, Bear.

[31:04] Have you done the need Paul?

[31:05] We've got some people about the kids playing in Warren instead of not ever park.

[31:10] A little kid's being moved to the Warren Kills and so far out there has been me.

[31:15] Have you mulling?

[31:18] Only for more time in families.

[31:21] Yeah. Well, I mean, that is an temporary situation, meaning because the software program has been using the LaCrosse fields,

[31:31] unbeknownst to me, or the direct district, but the soccer program was using the LaCrosse fields for little kids,

[31:41] which makes sense going forward.

[31:46] But until we get this turf thing figured out,

[31:49] it just made more sense to just not allow play.

[31:55] Yeah, it makes sense.

[31:56] I just curious.

[31:57] What it is, you know, my hope is that that would be

[32:00] a temporary situation.

[32:01] And then next year, we would have a nice turf

[32:04] on the LaCrosse fields.

[32:05] And we could talk to soccer and add a little bit to their lease

[32:09] for that. Those fields usage. That's my hope. And speaking of Lisa's, it came up at the meeting

[32:19] with the Fields Committee that they felt like it would be appropriate to increase Lisa's

[32:26] because our process on the turf are going up. We also said, we is a possibility we might need to ask

[32:33] across and soccer, to not request grants this year. We did that for the path and the

[32:41] riders when we were doing the big war act grant and all my time was going to all the big

[32:49] part of my time was going to that and they were benefiting mightily from that. So it's not exactly

[32:54] But it is, we're just going to have to look at them, budget.

[33:00] So I have a question on that matter, Laura, that I think that's a really interesting proposal.

[33:08] I saw the emails from Bethany Burjee, questioning it, which is also understandable.

[33:18] But just as far as the numbers go, if those, those two leagues don't apply for say their $5,000 grant for whatever,

[33:32] that's $10,000 of the grant fund, but then we would take that $10,000 out of the grant fund and allocate it to Mad River Park.

[33:45] We have to, otherwise someone else wouldn't apply for that.

[33:49] Exactly.

[33:50] We decide what money goes into the grant amount.

[33:55] So this is part of our October meeting as we, as you guys kind of sit through this

[34:00] and as a preliminary, as we look at consideration for my report, do we strip off some

[34:07] of the grant money to, and we could, you know, it could be that we allocate some of the

[34:14] grant money to the park. And everybody, all grant recipients are impacted somewhat by that,

[34:23] or we can turn around and say the users of the field are the ones that are going to be most impacted.

[34:30] Without the labor and I'm not trying to run away from the discussion at this point,

[34:34] other than to keep the meeting moving.

[34:38] God, does that make sense?

[34:39] As we look at the budget come October as our preliminary.

[34:43] This is the park budget is if it's going to be a big element.

[34:50] Well, we're basically looking at trying to find $20,000 a year for the parks, right?

[34:57] Close to that.

[34:59] And for this, we've kind of spent that reserve that we had at the park.

[35:04] have lost and fun money. We don't have maybe a little bit left, but only a few thousand.

[35:11] Yeah. So it's kind of an ongoing bigger issue and we can't get more money in unless we do

[35:18] something fundraising effort. So in the interim, we need to think of hard about what

[35:28] of increased leases would look like, what the income would be from that in terms of going

[35:35] towards the turf maintenance, and then ask ourselves what are our sources of revenue

[35:42] in order to bond the turf that never apart? How do we look at the grant program on our basis?

[35:50] Or is there a fucking an already doing annual fundraisers? Where will that revenue come from?

[35:55] and create a wish to drive the cost of turf work down, right?

[36:01] Exactly, exactly.

[36:03] We thought about school consolidation with the impact of the park.

[36:09] Sure.

[36:09] I think it was more used, but I think.

[36:11] Yeah.

[36:12] The school had cabinet.

[36:14] Yes.

[36:16] The cabinet.

[36:16] They're probably going to look to use the fields as a part of like their PE,

[36:20] because those are trying to build new fields.

[36:24] Yeah.

[36:24] It could be a source of revenue.

[36:25] If they're going to use it, they would have to.

[36:28] Well, I mean, some contribution, if the uses, sorry, I'm putting everything out.

[36:37] It is on the list of everything out there, but I think the towns, the towns are paying for the school.

[36:46] The towns give us their money.

[36:48] It just seems to me that it would be a little awkward.

[36:51] And it towns would be a have a nose that I'm not going to like gym feeds. I mean, it's not that different from being charged for recreational program and using gyms and schools.

[37:04] It's just the opposite circumstance and that's happened with every elementary school gym that has a fee associated for recreational program.

[37:14] I don't, I mean, I'm not suggesting that's in the answer to it, but I think it is like,

[37:20] that we can increase, like, the amount of, like, feel time of every elementary kid

[37:26] between Warren and Waysfield and taste them.

[37:30] More town. That's a lot of fields, and that's now all going to be concentrated on fields that we're currently struggling to take care of.

[37:39] So, maybe we're in pretty serious substantial.

[37:42] Yeah, we are ahead of, we are way older than tips, of course.

[37:46] Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, and that won't happen for a couple of years if they consolidate.

[37:51] That's it.

[37:52] I think the field's really down.

[37:54] Yeah.

[37:55] I think the field's really down.

[37:55] Yeah.

[37:56] I think the field's really down.

[38:00] Anything else on my report?

[38:01] The references.

[38:03] Thank you.

[38:04] I know.

[38:04] That was, thank you for jumping in.

[38:07] I'm not reporting.

[38:08] Thank you for having me.

[38:09] Yeah.

[38:10] Thank you.

[38:11] Take your care.

[38:12] Thank you.

[38:13] Okay.

[38:14] Um, strategic plan.

[38:16] I don't know if you guys had a chance to take a look at it.

[38:19] Here it is.

[38:20] You get a chance to take a look.

[38:23] This is what's going to happen.

[38:25] Special.

[38:27] Make comments.

[38:29] Great.

[38:30] You want to pass it around.

[38:31] You can see what it looks like.

[38:32] Printed.

[38:33] It has rough draft.

[38:35] I will, you know.

[38:37] This doesn't have a late jacket on.

[38:40] Oh.

[38:40] What are you going to show me?

[38:43] I'm going to show you.

[38:46] I'm going to show you.

[38:47] I'm going to show you.

[38:48] I'm going to show you.

[38:51] I'm going to show you.

[38:51] Yeah, I got actually if a good take, Molly.

[38:55] I, you know, you know, you know, you know, that's where we're supposed to be.

[38:59] You're just supposed to be just thinking about you.

[39:00] I'm going to get a kind of a launch of the state for me.

[39:03] It's true.

[39:04] I'll put a shot.

[39:05] It's a nice palette up.

[39:07] So, and if it's solid, then I will actually get it printed up and down.

[39:15] So, you can have your own personal copies.

[39:19] So, you will not put it on.

[39:21] I showed you work on it, both of you.

[39:23] That's what you did.

[39:24] Yeah.

[39:24] A lot of work.

[39:27] Good.

[39:28] I was made it beautiful.

[39:29] I helped with content a long time ago, but she made it beautiful.

[39:33] And we tried to strike this compromise on Kevin on your great coverage, right?

[39:38] It was.

[39:38] It was only like we had had too much detail, both to granular, then it went to bullets

[39:43] and then it was out of bounds.

[39:45] I was proofing it.

[39:46] I just thought, wait a minute.

[39:47] This is a big part of our work, a part, and now it looks like, you know, if you just look, it's actually a little too small.

[39:53] So I have some license and edited, took the bullets and put in the necessary script out the detail that will be in the maintenance plan.

[40:06] Or the ration. So, okay, can you comment?

[40:10] That's good.

[40:11] Just so that I look at it in soccer, man, over and much, you look like a couple of little

[40:16] nits I found.

[40:17] If I just send those to you, I don't know.

[40:19] Yeah.

[40:20] Yeah.

[40:22] I had to do, I worked in a, I had to work in a work document because it's much more user-friendly

[40:29] in terms of graphics and text boxes, and if I distributed the word document in somebody,

[40:35] I don't know.

[40:35] I moved to text box.

[40:37] So that's what it's going to hurt me in a TV now,

[40:41] must edit friendly.

[40:44] But that's into a page, to the net.

[40:47] I'm going to go pick.

[40:51] OK, excellent.

[40:53] Grab program, team, grab program.

[40:57] Well, we've really crossed this.

[40:59] I mean, from the moment we started in left meeting,

[41:02] it was, I don't know that we had, like, a moment

[41:04] Why aren't we reaching out on it?

[41:08] Do you have any questions?

[41:10] I don't know.

[41:13] There's a few comments.

[41:15] There's a few comments on it.

[41:18] That were put in an August.

[41:20] I mean, my read of it for me for this is that they're not substantive changes.

[41:24] So I think the question for it is,

[41:27] do we have time to make this?

[41:30] Some of them are just breaking out a couple questions

[41:33] for our financial language, adding a budget template, do a whole, that's the direction we want

[41:38] to go in. If we were out of time, then I would just change the date, go forward with it,

[41:46] if we didn't do more than that. So it's kind of like, the budget template would be great.

[41:51] I said, you know, on the example of it, but it seems like a lot of confusion about what does that look like?

[41:57] That's often the, that seems to me to be the thing that, I mean, we talked about this last

[42:02] but it seems like the thing that you asked for most is quite a patient on budgets.

[42:08] Yeah, I mean, just after a couple of problems from Molly, I created the dock and having

[42:14] things in, you may have lost the address. And then, yeah, most of it was just like, where

[42:21] questions were redundant, either clarifying or getting more to the point for what you're looking

[42:25] work for my question or sort of consolidating? Really, I think, we shared that I think,

[42:33] right? With me, I spoke at a long time ago, but haven't seen it.

[42:39] If we can come out of this meeting with a couple of ones, one, what is our time frame? Do we

[42:45] have time to work on it? If not, then it's me and your story is, if we do, I'm happy to incorporate

[42:52] those edits and we write the questions and for you probably have the best sense of working

[42:59] budget company to be. Yeah, I mean what I would do is I would look for a good one from last

[43:07] year and ask them if we can use it and just use that. I mean there's anything if we, so I think

[43:13] we have until October 1st to work on. I can just let people know, I took it

[43:22] down off the website, as we spoke about from left meeting, and I warned Dory Engels of the

[43:30] Marathon because she's the only one who ever does it early at home, so she kind of

[43:37] thought that was nice, but that was a problem for her. So, and there's like some questions in there,

[43:46] But our more youth sports oriented, so if we take them out, I could every year ask those,

[43:54] like, is there a different register?

[43:57] I mean, I bet some of the things you found that would do book it,

[44:00] or not important, are there for a little bit of a reason,

[44:04] but there's another way to do it.

[44:06] There's also, if we don't feel like we have enough time,

[44:08] We could also, I could just send everybody a budget template to not have to be on the app.

[44:18] But I mean, it would be better, but yeah, I know that you need to speak.

[44:24] Confessionally. Yeah. My that's a series of one grand cycle. I mean, we get some but it's that literally

[44:28] have nothing. Yeah. Right. No, isn't that something to come to have a lot. So just to something

[44:34] very basic that gives the Board enough information and they can inform us as soon as you

[44:39] find.

[44:40] I'll look for it.

[44:42] It seems like the confusion is, are you asking for a budget for the project, or are you

[44:47] asking for our operational budget for the organization?

[44:52] That's where.

[44:52] And I kind of, you know, hold on.

[44:54] We, we want both, but usually they provide one or the other.

[44:58] Yeah.

[44:59] Seems.

[44:59] Please.

[45:00] Yeah, and yes, but we shouldn't make it clear. And I can take a look at what you guys, the books, two hours a suite that I could spend on it.

[45:13] Yeah, okay.

[45:16] All right, we're comfortable with it.

[45:19] And then we still have to talk about some other aspects of the grant, the implications of writers and

[45:29] have joining up, would we, you know, we've set up until now we have a $5,000

[45:38] maximum organization, would we increase that to $10,000, would we put any restrictions

[45:44] on it like half us to go to the path, half, half, half, half to go to mountain bike trails,

[45:51] you know.

[45:53] What are the reasons I think our grant program is the only leverage we have with many

[45:59] organization in the Valley. And I haven't seen, I checked the website, of both organizations.

[46:07] I just haven't seen anything that gives me confidence that there's going to be a good balance

[46:13] within that organization. Maybe there will be. Maybe there's a million things that are working

[46:18] on that we're just not aware of. But I feel like if we just say, okay, we increase the total,

[46:26] We, I think our job and when we do the grant discussions is always to spread our money

[46:33] among as many different age groups, as many different types of users.

[46:39] I'm not trying to have this beat of micro management thing, but our money is leverage.

[46:45] And so I think we should think about that while we make this decision.

[46:49] One thought to consider is, we don't really know how complex the merger case, but I just assume

[46:57] that it is complicated. There's going to be a transition, whatever things are going to be clunky.

[47:04] So one way to look at it is we support that with the 10,000 and let them figure it out.

[47:10] Do the understanding that they'll be upside on the back and down the line because they'll be doing more work.

[47:15] will be more efficient, but I think it's going to be hard for them to do it, because it's

[47:22] a lot of moving pieces with governance and relationships, and it's one blessing they have to

[47:27] worry about. It's something for us to think about, but I don't know the people involved in

[47:33] those things. I mean, I feel like that as emerged organization, that they will create in a sense

[47:40] They're all strategic plan and a vision for the future,

[47:45] and I'd like to defer to the organization

[47:49] their priorities on a given year.

[47:53] And that may not be a thing.

[47:54] Equal distribution between mountain biking and path,

[47:58] you know, hiking, hiking trails,

[48:01] but as a single organization,

[48:03] I'd like to say to them,

[48:05] what are your priorities and I do think that we,

[48:10] we're doing a pretty good job of going back and looking at previous years as we move into the

[48:16] grand cycle. What did they ask for last year? What was some of the radish now? And if we

[48:21] sit, if we see that, well, last year, you know, you didn't do anything for mountain bike mountain bike.

[48:28] You know, and it's part of that annual visit with Bruce, what is your plan for the year before we

[48:37] get to the grant and say we see that he did nothing for math or everything for math and by

[48:42] a we'd love to see more being done for and I think sometimes they're also there's a question

[48:50] of their access to grants any given year it may be some extra money grant money close into mountain biking

[49:02] And so that you, the organization, says, well, okay, now we really

[49:07] can use another look for a registered grant to be on the path.

[49:13] So I think that there, I'm, I'm, I'm a supporter of deferring to the

[49:17] other emerged organization to set their priorities.

[49:23] Excuse me.

[49:23] Somebody would like to see

[49:27] bold organizations get money. I, I think that they, it should be

[49:32] the same cap 5,000 dollars. They're one organization now. And I don't think it's fair. I don't

[49:38] think it's a good precedent to say, oh, you're in the middle. They will, they have been merging

[49:43] for over a year. I think we're all in agreement, but you're saying to them, I don't know. No,

[49:50] where I was saying is, is having some language or some oversight that they spend 5,000 in

[49:57] I think it's one organization now.

[49:59] What they have libraries that they apply for,

[50:01] our app for everyone is the same.

[50:03] So there are two questions.

[50:05] One is as a single organization

[50:09] or is our expectation that they distribute between the...

[50:13] No, I don't think we can kind of...

[50:14] And then the second question is,

[50:16] does the single organization cap that we use

[50:20] with everyone now applied to a merge organization?

[50:24] Or we said, we could...

[50:26] And I can tell you that some of the entities in the merged organization have an expectation

[50:33] that the merger will mean a thousand of that will know.

[50:39] So that's a decision that we do need to make.

[50:42] But that's not enough.

[50:43] But why would they get preference?

[50:45] Why would they why would that be a separate if we were separate if we find that separate?

[50:49] The answer to the question is, this is what this is just my point about your money is

[50:55] you're only leverage. And we want to see good hiking trails and we want to see good mountain biking

[51:02] trails. And we hope that they will do both and spread their money around. And I guess we could

[51:09] address it through what Al said is, you know, the past year or, you know, when they do a presentation,

[51:15] but there are some, it's going to be hard for them to decide where money goes. I mean, not,

[51:21] And I first heard about this merger. I asked that. I'm like, well, wow, what happens when, you know, you have a big need. I'm one of the other. And, and there was no answer. And there's nothing public. No one is talk about it to anybody, nothing. You know, so that's why I just don't have that confidence. And that's why I brought this up. And I do agree to make it easier on them. Great. I, one question that it's just come up is we think we're having visits

[51:51] that's from these organizations, starting one.

[51:54] Well, we didn't say this.

[51:55] We have to talk about that.

[51:56] We said that as a sort of part of our own annual engagement

[52:01] with partners like you did when you reached out.

[52:05] But we're going to start, you know,

[52:07] if we're going to be talking in November, December

[52:09] about actual grants, they'll be in and we'll be talking about.

[52:12] I think we're going to look at our next.

[52:15] Okay, I'll just, I was just like, part of our strategic

[52:17] But my end is understanding constantly what the needs are of the different organizations, which requires

[52:25] your communication outside of the grant cycle.

[52:28] So I think the question does come down.

[52:30] 1, 2, Molly says they're one organization. They get the cap. It's the 5,000 cap. Or do we turn around and go, well, you know, what is it? What is it? What is it?

[52:40] Separate it, five, five, that's sort of, you know, the question.

[52:44] And maybe part of you that, the thing we don't know, you know, is what they're going to apply for, right?

[52:48] I mean, if they apply for $10,000 for the corridor or, I mean,

[52:55] I don't know, I would love to see them get $10,000 and then be spread equally.

[53:00] But that doesn't seem like again.

[53:02] I don't think it seems like a good precedent

[53:05] just because you're merging you get one money.

[53:10] I think it's not.

[53:11] That's not good.

[53:12] Well, no, no, no, don't.

[53:14] I tell you, you don't.

[53:16] That's our task in system.

[53:17] We're going to step forward.

[53:18] I mean, you can listen to something.

[53:20] I think it's helpful for us to bring this into our awareness,

[53:24] going into grants, isn't?

[53:26] We're also looking at a $25,000 bill

[53:29] for the matter of part, we're already talking about asking other part organizations not to apply

[53:34] which has some precedent. There's a good possibility depending on how grants roll out that

[53:39] we're not going to have an extra five grand to be wiggling around with. And if that's the case,

[53:46] we might just have to go with whatever we face. Maybe it's a little grantees and we don't have a lot of

[53:52] applicants and so therefore we can float them for your conversation about the fact that this is probably

[53:57] not something to expect each year.

[53:59] But if we have a typical year where we've got 90,000 dollars in requests,

[54:06] that's going to be really hard to say, yeah, we're going to be 10 here.

[54:08] But you guys can't have any money, because we're already doing all this work in the

[54:11] card.

[54:12] Spread ourselves out of it.

[54:14] I just think it's hard to anticipate what we're going to see from grants.

[54:18] And I don't know where I stand on that.

[54:20] I mean, the merger is meant for them to sort of,

[54:25] There's both pros and cons to that, and sometimes that means that you avail certain opportunities because you're

[54:30] Where's and that you certainly are going to lose opportunities because you're merged and I don't know where we fit in that next, but I think it's

[54:39] It's hard to say what we're going to be asked for in terms of money this year.

[54:44] Well, maybe that is just

[54:46] a purely pragmatic approach that says on any given grant year we are limited

[54:54] by the grant funds we have available and we will work as hard as we can as we always do

[55:00] to distribute equitably with an eye to serving as many people as we can and do so.

[55:10] Which is the truth. I mean, we have to tell them in advance of them writing a grant

[55:16] whether they should write it for five or ten. That question has been asked us.

[55:21] Yeah, okay. And so, that's only, yeah, so normally when someone else says that question,

[55:27] why does the response? And we've had other people have had that, and then when I was

[55:30] sad, like, I was going to apply for eight, but should I just do four? We've never had

[55:35] an organization's merged before. No, but we have communicated, how have we communicated other

[55:42] than through precedent that in general, we don't know, or it's in general, it's in our

[55:51] We don't have the grant request in front of us.

[55:55] So we don't know how much money is being asked about.

[55:57] Is it's one full?

[55:58] We can't answer that question.

[56:00] And so we see everything.

[56:01] Right?

[56:02] No.

[56:02] I think that's because.

[56:04] Well, they are because there's been two organizations doing different types

[56:10] of work, serving different populations.

[56:14] The executive structure of the path is assuming.

[56:19] And I know what that word means.

[56:21] that it will be 10,000. So if our max is 5,000, we need to tell them because they're going

[56:26] to be writing a grant. So every year, part of our pay off grant is for Moe. Right? Almost every

[56:33] year is a couple of thousand, two thousand for Moe and then they put in some other project.

[56:39] So, you know, it's a big deal to them. They don't, you know, I think that would be really

[56:45] for us not to actually say because they're going to write the grant differently.

[56:50] Can I ask you why don't you please specifically just not to be no overly nuanced, the

[56:56] specific language we've regard to having on the website yet.

[57:01] I have a red there.

[57:02] What is it saying?

[57:03] I already have a good on-prem.

[57:04] Our annual grant programs for its local organizations are initiatives which provide recreational

[57:08] opportunities, the matter of our value community.

[57:11] Generally our grants are in the range of 500 to 5.0.0.

[57:14] What if we could, can you establish a for project capital $5,000, and then kind of have a carve out or, you know, the

[57:27] neat situation where there's a merger of organizations, you know, they could.

[57:33] And then we're also like, I want to, I said this to the last meeting like a

[57:38] under, and across, and baseball, and murder, which we're supposed to be.

[57:43] And that's what we would then only give them, and imagine we would then strike them

[57:48] by that thought.

[57:50] So, if you like, we don't want to disincentivize merger, if that's what makes sense for the

[57:57] venture.

[57:58] Moving forward, after a year into the merger, what does that look like?

[58:05] There are always going to be granted markets.

[58:07] They took two interests and made it one.

[58:11] I don't know.

[58:11] I feel like we wouldn't make a case.

[58:14] I think we decide whether or not they would be allowed to apply for up to 10,000.

[58:21] Because of the merged group.

[58:24] And say all of our grants, because we also want to be clear about this, that we may have to give people who asked for 5,000,

[58:33] We may have to, if you apply for 10, and if the entire year may get six or seven, or nothing, or three, you know, it's always, it's always a little bit different.

[58:46] So just because we allow them apply for up to 10,000 doesn't mean they're going to get 10,000.

[58:52] Because that is how we, you know, negotiate the, the give, but you see,

[58:58] Well right, but isn't, I mean that isn't that kind of what I know I was feeling for saying the same thing.

[59:03] I mean, that's the thing with, like, the snowmobile organization, that's, of that,

[59:07] through the first year. Thank you. We'll always apply for quite a bit of money,

[59:11] which is beyond the cap that we suggest on our website. I mean, we'll do that.

[59:16] And so they can do it. I think that maybe,

[59:23] do we want to do something that is restrictive in terms of policy,

[59:30] will regard to. And that's not the language, it says in federal. And so we may stick to the

[59:38] language, and maybe when the notices go out for the referendum, this is more a little

[59:47] bit of an upward place, because the information for the grant program will go out in advance

[59:56] of our talk with their team, and we have it in terms of us done.

[1:00:00] Budget, said to ourselves, well, we're going to reduce the available grant funds by X. And we know that we're only going to have, instead of 60, whatever, 69, 7, 8, 1, we can tell all of our applicants that we only are going to have 58, whatever that is.

[1:00:24] We're only gonna have to pay and we point you to the language in the description that in general,

[1:00:32] answer will order between 5,000 and that is going that will continue to direct you to those guidelines being aware that

[1:00:44] our available grant funds are, let's this year.

[1:00:52] You've got to call him and tell him.

[1:00:55] I'm afraid I'm going to be making a assumption that either organization is giving up the opportunity for $5,000 a year.

[1:01:06] Maybe they need to apply to separate organizations.

[1:01:08] I mean, they're going to be like October 1st, there you are, officially.

[1:01:13] I mean, I am also looking over your shoulder at the agenda and we're also getting a request for emergency funding for playbook.

[1:01:21] And so, just hearing,

[1:01:28] I mean, we haven't seen the grants, right?

[1:01:30] So what happens if the mowing a couple of fields goes up what happens?

[1:01:36] There's a thousand things we can't anticipate.

[1:01:38] We can say you can certainly apply for that.

[1:01:41] But until we see all of the, you know, the last time I mean,

[1:01:46] I think you could maybe talk precedent and say with the last time

[1:01:50] organization received a grant over $5,000 was this and we know that it's complicated and that

[1:01:55] you're expecting that we are going to have more money but we don't know how much money we're

[1:02:00] going to be asked for and we don't know what those expenses are going to be and we also have

[1:02:04] other areas of recreation of the sense too.

[1:02:10] Anybody who hasn't spoken one or treasure or

[1:02:16] in our group, does it say that physicians are moving one per organization or is that open?

[1:02:25] I don't think it's written there, but if it's assumed, I mean, but that's an option.

[1:02:31] If it's not refinement one per or they can submit more than one, and I'm planning availability.

[1:02:38] So that's

[1:02:44] one of these.

[1:02:46] Hi Doug.

[1:02:48] So it's a conundrum for sure.

[1:02:52] I will say that I just assumed that we would allow them to apply for up to 10.

[1:03:04] Knowing that they, even though they're one organization, they have and they're working

[1:03:12] to the umbrella of trails in general,

[1:03:17] their focus has been different and I mean, there must

[1:03:23] be advantages to why they merge. I don't know if there's cost savings for them, but I'm

[1:03:28] sure they are going all under one administrator or do they still have two separate sets of

[1:03:37] administration. So I think in the beginning, at least, until they get themselves really established,

[1:03:46] we can treat them as two, and then it sounds like kicking the can down the road a little bit.

[1:03:53] But it didn't occur to me. I think Kevin, I think, said it, Kevin or Michael, would talk

[1:03:58] about, you know, if the youth organizations all joined as under one umbrella would we only give

[1:04:06] 5,000 to that. And if the answer is yes or no, then whatever the answer is to that question,

[1:04:14] we can apply to this situation. Let me ask the question then, if since we haven't seen the grant

[1:04:21] This is so hypothetical.

[1:04:23] What happens, if we say, yes, $10,000,

[1:04:27] newly merged, so going through growing pains

[1:04:29] or making their not, but, and then the application

[1:04:31] has nothing to do with trails of my life.

[1:04:36] trails of my life are nothing to do with my life.

[1:04:39] Like, so we're saying that we're interested in supporting

[1:04:43] the two organizations that used to exist as one.

[1:04:47] What if the $10,000 application has nothing to do with my life?

[1:04:51] And it's often the path from the corner to the corner.

[1:04:54] Yeah, I think we need to have a conversation and say, how do you ask them what they are thinking?

[1:05:01] Were they going to give two separate applications?

[1:05:05] Were they going to give one application?

[1:05:09] And you know, I think I don't think we give 10,000 if it's just for path stuff.

[1:05:20] So that's good.

[1:05:22] at your work. So you should be going to apply for up to $5,000 per

[1:05:26] speed project, right? I like that. So that way, you know, it's not all going to

[1:05:32] one. Because I, yeah, because I think our job from the four towns that

[1:05:37] give us money is to make sure a lot of different things are supported.

[1:05:44] You

[1:05:44] know, I mean, and they internally, this new organization could do that by, you know,

[1:05:49] there's some graph that they can only, it's accessibility and they can only fly in here

[1:05:55] for this thing they need, but they can apply for a couple of different things with off.

[1:06:00] I mean, you could compensate it if you're the grant person in there, is there any of them

[1:06:07] saying that a lot of times, you know, you have, you have a 510 means and you know that only

[1:06:15] this one, you could, you could get funded by this grant, but three of these things could get

[1:06:20] funded by that grant. You know, we said there was always a, you know, your juggle on while

[1:06:25] assisting which funder will find which of your means the most attractive.

[1:06:35] We apply for a number

[1:06:36] of grants like specifically like Lake Champlain visiting program and they allow a cap of two or three

[1:06:43] we're five projects like proposals for grant.

[1:06:48] But we only ever get one of those.

[1:06:53] So, you know, maybe we have gotten multiple,

[1:06:56] but like a lot of times we'll fly with like two or three different ideas

[1:06:59] and the issues in the like side of our community.

[1:07:02] So, maybe there's like, there's a little bit, you know,

[1:07:07] a mixed idea of like, we'll allow them to apply

[1:07:10] and then a cap is 5,000 per project.

[1:07:12] I mean, certainly other grants, other organizations could take advantage of that and now we

[1:07:18] start with more grants, plus the way through potentially. But, at least that way we can

[1:07:23] honor and recognize the projects and then we just not to do a great job of tracking, seeing

[1:07:27] what types of things we're supporting and what they're not.

[1:07:30] And I'm actually in terms of precedent, looking at grants often within whether it is soccer or literally in there, they have multiple little projects and they allocate money to those multiple.

[1:07:46] This is how much we would like to put to this and to this. So I don't think we would be departed that much from what we practice in the past.

[1:07:56] But are you intending, you mean the two projects have to one has to be for the pay off and one has to be for mountain biking?

[1:08:06] Is that what you mean when you say?

[1:08:08] Well, I think if we say that there's a tendering cap, then you risk us getting a request for a tendering spent in one area that doesn't represent the diversified audience as we're trying to.

[1:08:20] And that's could be true of any product like let's say the three sports merge and then we get a $10,000 or a

[1:08:28] request only for couples feel and there's nothing for matter of a part just for example like that doesn't necessarily represent

[1:08:36] the best interest of recreation about. So by putting a cap on individual applications they give us a couple of options and we then maybe we have enough funding to provide funding for both and

[1:08:49] maybe we can only do one, but it, and I think we can let them be aware of that, like,

[1:08:54] we can apply for capital $5,000 per project, and per project.

[1:09:00] But, like, per project.

[1:09:02] They can still do two mountain biking projects.

[1:09:05] Right.

[1:09:06] And then we have a decision, and we can say, you know, we would have, you know,

[1:09:10] like, we would have a good fun.

[1:09:11] Yeah.

[1:09:12] And so that's part of the front learning is like, okay, we're going to have this conversation

[1:09:16] about what we're going to have.

[1:09:18] you're coming from two organizations.

[1:09:21] You're assuming that $10,000 is coming your way.

[1:09:24] If you're going to apply, one application can have a match

[1:09:28] to $5,000 be focused on non-life,

[1:09:30] and one can be focused on the path, or $5,000,

[1:09:33] and we'll see how much money we have.

[1:09:36] And then that's going to be applicable to anyone else.

[1:09:38] What was it that you moved set of rules?

[1:09:42] It's setting a new set of rules for our grant application.

[1:09:46] Right, so if all you sports merged, then we could say where you can apply multiple times.

[1:09:55] There's only a bullet of merge organizations.

[1:09:58] Yes.

[1:09:58] I think you'd be applicable to anybody.

[1:10:02] I'm now really confused.

[1:10:04] I'm sorry.

[1:10:05] I mean, I don't think we want to say this group can apply for that.

[1:10:09] Right.

[1:10:09] That's what I mean.

[1:10:10] We can't do that.

[1:10:11] But we could say, you know, emerged organization in apply for multiple projects for the

[1:10:20] capital $5,000, but they have to demonstrate how each application ties back to the, like,

[1:10:29] pre-merger.

[1:10:31] But if I don't know, are we doing that so far?

[1:10:33] I don't know, I don't care if that's okay, and I don't have to be everyone.

[1:10:36] I have to get everyone to advocate that organizations may apply for more than one grant request.

[1:10:46] And you have to go through the whole process.

[1:10:49] And there's no guarantee that we have enough money to afford that.

[1:10:54] Because there's other organizations that might have multiple programs.

[1:10:57] substitutes the German merge for collaboration, right, like so for instance, is it unrealistic?

[1:11:03] Like, friends, Matt River has, like, put in proposals with lots of different groups on a variety

[1:11:08] of groups. So, like, for instance, like, if we just think of this strictly as, like, merge

[1:11:12] organizations, that's, like, a bottleneck of, like, currently we have two organizations that are

[1:11:17] becoming one, but it doesn't apply across the board. So, if we, except, like, for instance,

[1:11:23] Let's say that, let's say that the new trails

[1:11:28] Alliance wanted us to do a collaborative project

[1:11:31] with one group and not a $5,000 project.

[1:11:34] I'm going to say that that was like,

[1:11:35] with MRVBC, and then they wanted to do something

[1:11:38] with the Friends and Ad River,

[1:11:39] and that was a $7,000 project.

[1:11:43] I see it more as, first of all, I don't think we should say,

[1:11:47] apply for 10 grand anybody, because I think that's

[1:11:50] a weird precedent.

[1:11:51] And I don't think we can have this.

[1:11:52] We are a virtual, virtual, virtual.

[1:11:55] I think we can encourage people to apply

[1:11:58] 5,000 per project, per proposal.

[1:12:02] And if they have multiple proposals, we'll consider them

[1:12:04] and based on grant funding, we'll try to find what we can't.

[1:12:07] I think some organizations are going to put

[1:12:13] three or four in.

[1:12:15] Well, then that's the present that's what we're setting up by allowing

[1:12:18] this one group.

[1:12:19] But that's what I mean, it's too much work for them

[1:12:23] because they're not going to get them off-funded.

[1:12:25] Somebody's going to be hopeful and think,

[1:12:27] I'm going to reply for free and maybe I'll get to the in-brand.

[1:12:31] And then we're going to have more decisions.

[1:12:33] Do you?

[1:12:34] I mean, I feel like we have a really good process right now.

[1:12:39] We have a lot to do with, but we don't want each organization

[1:12:42] considering we want it the way some of the people do.

[1:12:48] they have different projects within an application.

[1:12:52] And application.

[1:12:52] And they say, this piece of equipment costs $10,000

[1:12:56] or we're asking you for free for it.

[1:12:58] And the $1,000 or something else, and about something else.

[1:13:02] So the big, it just boils down to, as emerged organization,

[1:13:09] when we consider giving them up to $5,000 or up to $10,000.

[1:13:13] I don't know if it does boil down to that.

[1:13:15] I think what we do with this is going to be applicable

[1:13:17] in the future. We can't treat them differently. It's a green application.

[1:13:21] Okay, and then they can only fly for 5,000. That's in general.

[1:13:25] In general, and we've never, we can, we can find everyone, please eliminate within your application,

[1:13:34] the different elements of, you know, what do you want it more?

[1:13:39] Just like you're saying that organizations do. They, they map out different projects with the money

[1:13:43] that they're asking for. This marginalization can do the same thing. They can ask

[1:13:47] for 10,000 dollars.

[1:13:48] Are there organizations do that?

[1:13:50] But I don't think we don't make it this way.

[1:13:52] Recently, no one has asked for it.

[1:13:55] We, they have it.

[1:13:56] We had two last year.

[1:13:59] The war no elementary school in the Mad River Ridge Runners.

[1:14:02] Both had grant and asked, okay,

[1:14:04] I request over five grand, I'm pretty sure.

[1:14:07] And what are you doing?

[1:14:08] Friends are the more town library.

[1:14:10] Oh, okay.

[1:14:11] That was, that was bad.

[1:14:13] That was my fault because they didn't know what they were doing.

[1:14:17] and we knew we needed fun more time.

[1:14:20] That don't all bad against them because I advised them like,

[1:14:23] oh my god, you could have quite some more and see what happens.

[1:14:26] I think we just allow the deliberations to unfold

[1:14:30] as they have in the past and simply remind applicants

[1:14:34] that they need to delineate the elements that they are requesting funds for,

[1:14:42] delineate them as they have in the past.

[1:14:44] And a reminder in terms of our language,

[1:14:46] that in general, we know we're between 500 and 5,000 and that's what we say is the trails

[1:14:55] alliance in general.

[1:15:00] Without having to come down on a policy,

[1:15:05] how are we going to articulate a policy? Is it going to be a policy about

[1:15:08] mergers only? Is that the, is that going to be where we're going to go with this? Or is it a policy

[1:15:16] regarding organizations, applications, be clear in the elements that you're

[1:15:23] delegating within within your application?

[1:15:29] I just don't know how I'm going to explain this.

[1:15:32] So I'm going to need, I'll write up a sentence or two, and run it by you, and because I'm

[1:15:38] not really understanding.

[1:15:40] You're saying, you guys just need, no, I think to be fair and transparent, there's

[1:15:48] a bit of a fire, it's already been telegraphed about the new organization, believing that

[1:15:57] because they should be able to apply for up to 10,000 and there's been a little bit of back and forth about requests for other money.

[1:16:07] Well, if you're going to limit us there, then we're not going to do this here.

[1:16:15] So, I think that is something we have to deal with,

[1:16:19] with Laura is wrestling with the reality that there is an assumption there that as a

[1:16:26] merged order organization, that there it changes the dynamics for law for $10,000 or,

[1:16:38] of course,

[1:16:39] wearing that.

[1:16:40] And again, it is also, it is a precedent, we've never had, we only have two trials organizations

[1:16:46] in the valley.

[1:16:47] Both of their sports activities are very important that a lot of people.

[1:16:54] So, and we've never had a group merge.

[1:16:59] The ridge runners in the MRVBC would say that they are also,

[1:17:03] I mean, MRVBC is opening up Calvary and Trail.

[1:17:07] They consider themselves in their trails or advertised at part of Calvary.

[1:17:11] But I think it's dangerous to say that we only have these two organizations.

[1:17:15] I do think that they have high usage.

[1:17:16] My concern is the precedent and it is like that it feels preferentials may.

[1:17:27] It feels like we're going to do this because these groups merged, but we can't articulate

[1:17:36] the flip side of it.

[1:17:38] And I get the concept of allowing each group

[1:17:42] to apply for multiple projects is overwhelming and daunting,

[1:17:48] because if everybody applies for three,

[1:17:50] like that's a lot more for us to read and consider,

[1:17:53] but what are our options?

[1:17:55] Our options are either that we will firm a five-key,

[1:17:57] and we have a hard conversation.

[1:18:00] Or we say that we're going to accept this many applications

[1:18:05] that we're going to open it up to everybody,

[1:18:06] because I don't think we can just go to one organization, I'll say.

[1:18:10] And that's to be the same.

[1:18:11] I did, I did, I did five words.

[1:18:12] I am fine with making five thousand recap

[1:18:17] for the new trails organization.

[1:18:20] I'm fine with that.

[1:18:21] I don't think we have to just tell them it's a cap.

[1:18:23] I'm looking right now.

[1:18:24] There was one, two, three, five organizations

[1:18:26] who five from one and five thousand onslaughts last year.

[1:18:29] So people do it, they can do it.

[1:18:31] But not much more.

[1:18:33] Most of those were like, I mean,

[1:18:35] thousand seven thousand five hundred ninety eight six thousand. Pretty close. And we just said okay.

[1:18:42] So I'm just okay. So my things I want to make more work for people. These are volunteers or small

[1:18:49] organizations or small staff. So I and everything is built on expectation, right? So I just want to be

[1:18:57] clear. And if I was in this new trail organization, I would want to know, should I apply for

[1:19:04] five or ten? And that's I'm just asking for that kind of guidance. I think we say five,

[1:19:12] unless we want to change the rules for everybody. And we want to describe a new set of rules that

[1:19:19] apply to.

[1:19:25] I mean, that's absurd to me. And then we can't change them differently. So

[1:19:30] Teams, those for everyone, or we think,

[1:19:32] follow the same rules that I mean, I'm totally fine with that,

[1:19:36] but I just didn't think that's what the board wanted to do.

[1:19:39] I thought from comments before everybody wanted to try

[1:19:43] and give them 10 to up to, allow them to plot that

[1:19:46] apply for up to 10 to have it.

[1:19:48] Make them apply, they're allowed to,

[1:19:51] but we're going to adhere to what they have

[1:19:55] with it says, in general, five to five thousand.

[1:20:01] I think going back to the day is where we used to get applications for $27,000 in $2,000.

[1:20:12] That was a reality. We've done a lot to reign in. People's expectations around this.

[1:20:18] I think that maybe some of the reactions that I'm feeling in myself is just that maybe it looks great on paper.

[1:20:27] So like pitch to the town is going to be more money that we have $150,000 in requests, but it doesn't actually make it more realistic for anybody else.

[1:20:36] So I think, I mean,

[1:20:40] I think it's, I think the easier decision and like the safer choice for where we're at or in a safe line is that we say it with the language of in general.

[1:20:50] This is what we support it. I think the next best decision for my perspective would be to say that anybody can apply for as much money as they want,

[1:20:58] I think that's not, I mean, that may or may not be a can, but if we want to encourage the path and the riders as their new merge alliance to explore pursuing more money, I think we have to make that available to other groups.

[1:21:13] And I get that they're merged, but I don't know that that's, when's the next time we're able to see a merger like this and what is that going to look like and what we have like, I think it's an exception in a specific situation.

[1:21:26] And I think that's really, I think it's hard to make those exceptions.

[1:21:31] So saying that not within a single application, but you can make submit multiple applications.

[1:21:38] I think that's my second best.

[1:21:40] I think my first best is just that we say it's in general.

[1:21:44] We fund five thousand as a cap and people apply for more.

[1:21:49] They don't often get it.

[1:21:50] And you're welcome to apply for it, but that doesn't, and it's at least the itemized.

[1:21:54] And within that, let's say, you know, we do this, like we've been a little nitpicky with like

[1:21:58] we're crossing.

[1:21:59] We're not going to pay for stickers, but we will pay for mandatory equipment, and we can't

[1:22:04] pay for this thing, but we'll pay for that thing.

[1:22:06] And so if we did an application from the trail's lines that is itemizing gives us things, we

[1:22:11] can say, yeah, we'll pay for a bridge on that trail, and we'll pay for the mowing on this section

[1:22:17] of path, and we can look at what they're requesting line for, and make a decision based

[1:22:22] on the things that sort of fit them, but the parameters of what we think we're trying to do with,

[1:22:28] making sure that we have diverse.

[1:22:32] And we have been able to support the trail's clover to the law, and other ways, like the support of attitude, gratitude, and I mean, you know what I'm going to do with this phrase, like you mentioned.

[1:22:46] There have been other requests and there are other requests and who knows how will support them in other ways.

[1:22:52] So, I don't know, I don't know where I'm going with that,

[1:22:56] but there's other things floating up there too.

[1:22:58] And there's also, like, I have offered to people,

[1:23:04] and actually, Misha did this the first year

[1:23:06] who was playing for a grant, who was asking me,

[1:23:09] like, well, we fun, he wanted us to fun individual scholarships,

[1:23:13] and I said, we, you know, no, that's how what we do.

[1:23:16] We like to spread our money out.

[1:23:19] So, yes, knowing or something that affects a lot of people,

[1:23:22] or a program that affects a lot of kids we'd love to,

[1:23:26] but we're not gonna give a $500,000 scholarship

[1:23:30] to five or 10 kids that's not usually how we work it.

[1:23:38] So we could offer advice,

[1:23:40] like it's almost like a pre-application,

[1:23:42] like a lot of grants have a pre-application.

[1:23:45] It's short, it's sweet, we don't wanna go to this,

[1:23:48] but they can ask or advice if they're,

[1:23:52] on the fence, should I apply for this or this, you know?

[1:23:57] So I just wanted to make sure that I have 30.

[1:24:01] Now, we're going to where we are with this.

[1:24:05] Are we saying we're going to adhere to our policy in general?

[1:24:11] We do not award more than five hundred to five thousand for organization.

[1:24:18] And your application must itemize the different projects.

[1:24:25] Are we also saying, in fact, which would be what we've done all along, are we boss?

[1:24:30] And you're more than welcome to Python more.

[1:24:32] He doesn't mean you're going to get it.

[1:24:34] Are we also saying we invite multiple applications on the single one thing?

[1:24:40] So I don't think I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't want to, I think that makes too much work for us, and it makes too much work for them, because people will think, oh, maybe, and then I really don't want.

[1:24:54] So we are essentially adhering to our practice that we have done in the past, apply.

[1:25:02] In general, we know we're between 500 to 5000, so of course you're one of the most

[1:25:06] in case you're from Warner guarantees, and in your application be sure to

[1:25:13] delineate different elements of different projects within your application.

[1:25:21] And I would say that I think the people who have applied for a little bit more than 5000

[1:25:25] do that to show us that this is a big project we'll figure out how to fund this other bit

[1:25:34] But I'm pretty sure, you know, it's, they're just showing on them.

[1:25:39] Is that what

[1:25:45] you have? I think I understand.

[1:25:48] Yeah, I would, it would be great to get to a point where we're focused more on like outcomes, right?

[1:25:54] Some of this track, a library case.

[1:25:58] You know, mountain biking trails is one piece, but main valley general purpose.

[1:26:05] That's for you, and, et cetera, activities, and other, like, that makes sense, right?

[1:26:10] We funded both the years past, and we should be able to do that.

[1:26:14] But I don't, yeah, we're not shifting to a project kind of.

[1:26:19] I'm a patient.

[1:26:20] Separate applications.

[1:26:21] And the reason, like, I added that question about how many people do so.

[1:26:28] I mean, because to me, I'm not a board member.

[1:26:31] I'm a devotee on this, but that is huge because some groups have, we're giving some groups

[1:26:39] 45,000 dollars. They serve 100 people, and others serve a thousand people. And to me that, you're

[1:26:49] serving bigger numbers is what I think is important. Not to the exclusion of funding smaller groups,

[1:26:56] But maybe finding them in a smaller way is something that, you know, I mean, again, I think that our mission is to serve the most,

[1:27:13] as many demographics as we can, and I wanted to distinguish between God and the greatest number of people,

[1:27:21] But as many different demographics as we can, and do so wisely within our limits, the realities of our budget.

[1:27:32] And we can turn, you know, we've done grants to very small programs seniors, wait, let's think.

[1:27:40] Sir, but thank people.

[1:27:42] Once it gets to demographic, we don't reach her yet.

[1:27:46] Sure.

[1:27:47] So, are we okay to move forward with this?

[1:27:52] Well, I think we should, I'm going to write a couple of sentences and make sure that we'll

[1:28:00] just get this helpful, I can also have a conversation.

[1:28:04] That would be great if that would be helpful for you.

[1:28:06] Oh, it would be very helpful.

[1:28:09] Okay.

[1:28:10] So guys, it's eight o'clock and we've got some marching word ratio.

[1:28:17] that CRB grant consideration. Okay, so this is there,

[1:28:26] there's a need on the Kiosk. They're almost 60 of them around the valley. They're all branded Kiosk. They're a good shape, except that almost all the dog signs have been stolen off of them.

[1:28:45] and recently raised your change to having a leash box.

[1:28:50] So some of this, if the yard signs,

[1:28:52] there's still a bit of a DNA date,

[1:28:55] but four thousand dollar group of signs

[1:28:57] that it's still on since, in July.

[1:28:59] Are they hanging?

[1:29:01] That other day is stolen.

[1:29:02] But now it's a safety.

[1:29:04] They were metal signs that we funded,

[1:29:06] that I've gotten stolen that, please,

[1:29:09] yeah, we should go, I'm gonna put it very thing.

[1:29:13] There was a big dog meeting

[1:29:14] I'm going to talk about that in my objective drug to report, but what has happened is there's

[1:29:19] a grant opportunity, it's the election plan,

[1:29:26] that would entertain money or key asks, but requires

[1:29:33] a match.

[1:29:34] So, it's going through CRV and just trying to figure out if we could, a couple of different organizations could put out so many suggestions to ask the board, could we consider a $5,000 match to that?

[1:29:54] Just have to put the money aside if you don't get the grant, you're not to spend it on that.

[1:30:00] We can't apply for the grant unless you have the matching funds.

[1:30:04] And in terms of the budget, that would come out of our grant budget, but out of our carryover,

[1:30:14] carryover, which has 66, 800, otherwise we would do so grant, because we're going to end

[1:30:24] up reducing our grant, availability of our grant money, because of that, so if we were

[1:30:29] allocator. Yes, we want to give that matching 1,000, where from the budget will it come,

[1:30:37] would it come from the carry,

[1:30:41] as opposed to or some kind of available grant funds?

[1:30:44] I mean,

[1:30:52] it's just also rare that additions to the key asks are also trying to integrate

[1:30:58] attitude of gratitude, so we have a nice code of ethics, but we had to kick off that's it.

[1:31:08] who else have a QR code, that it's a translation

[1:31:13] in differential Spanish, to be more welcoming.

[1:31:17] There are some work accessibility things

[1:31:19] that we should put on there.

[1:31:21] And at some point, the math should be read down to that.

[1:31:24] Maybe to a sense of the orientation is not the best.

[1:31:28] And when I feel like in the community planner,

[1:31:33] the planning district is willing to write the grant and manage it, they can't contribute cash,

[1:31:41] but that how they're set off, you know, they've staffed costs, and so that this would be like

[1:31:47] their entire donation. It sounded like our CRV meeting that riders have passed, or any organization

[1:31:54] whatever I found funny, but I think that the kiosks are squarely in our arena for recreation

[1:32:04] and the valley because we want to have consistency and, you know, good branding. So,

[1:32:12] what's the total budget for the project? Well, we're working on that. We think we're

[1:32:18] to find $25,000 in matching funds in order to have a $50,000 dollar project.

[1:32:24] So, that's about that in the ballpark of, like, oh, we'll need at least that much.

[1:32:28] We might need more, but if we could just, you know, make some priorities over, you know,

[1:32:34] yes, on trails that are used more often, or, you know, what's the year deadline again for

[1:32:39] this one?

[1:32:40] This is November 20th, and that's the, like, champagne, yeah, but you have, but and you have

[1:32:46] to show them these things so it happened to show them where the money is set, right, so.

[1:32:53] So, and I get, I don't need to keep the can down that road, but let me, am I correct

[1:32:58] that there are, so moving parts to this question, whether those P.S. are on private

[1:33:06] property, and I'm probably correct whether they are on their own, they're saying, hey, yeah,

[1:33:11] I'm going to take there some, you want to talk about it next evening?

[1:33:14] Well, this sounds like there's some pieces of this planning for this brand that we don't have the answers to yet.

[1:33:25] So I'm wondering if there may be, like, setting some priorities about major P.S.

[1:33:30] It just feels like when we say we're going to say, okay, we've contributed 5,000 as our other organizations

[1:33:38] The having a better handle on what some of those parameters are on the grant will be useful.

[1:33:45] It would also be useful for us in terms of our preliminary budget discussion.

[1:33:51] And we say, well, you know, we're going to move some of it into the effort to the part there.

[1:33:59] There's more than one grant that can be applied for.

[1:34:01] there's pressure on the training district not to apply for a grant that the child

[1:34:08] alliance is going to apply for, but there are more than one grant possible. I mean,

[1:34:16] if a French has a line, but she applying for the gas,

[1:34:22] you know, they're not going to,

[1:34:24] They want to apply for their own projects, but as a part of CRB,

[1:34:32] they do want to manage

[1:34:33] the chaos, but they don't have any money to pay for them, but because all of us think

[1:34:40] that is really an important thing, we're trying to get you out of the way to get there.

[1:34:45] But the problem is if we, if we, if we didn't said, well, you know, we're, we're

[1:34:52] leaning toward, because she got to start writing the grant.

[1:34:56] So she can't wait until October, that was my next question.

[1:35:00] Yeah, that's your problem.

[1:35:01] It just feels like that, I think, I mean, I, I'd be comfortable from our carryover, not

[1:35:09] some total grant funds availability to consider giving this once we have a better understanding

[1:35:17] of what some of these parameters and limitations are. If it turns out, no, you can't put

[1:35:26] them on this kind of property, but you can't put it on this. I think that's, I think that's

[1:35:32] I think they're past that, they've got some positive answers on that.

[1:35:36] I think that if we, it has to start somewhere, they keep, she can't read the grant and

[1:35:43] that's just 25,000 of the matching ones.

[1:35:47] So us saying, if we were to say, okay, we would do 5,000, if the chamber and the transelytes,

[1:35:55] whatever, don't put on the app, we're never going to put that 5,000, the grant not

[1:36:00] to be applied for. But because of its timing, if we said, okay, if you can get the other

[1:36:07] funny, we'll give you five. Yeah. As a matching grant for me. I think the KS R important element

[1:36:15] of preparation and the balance. Yeah, I want your sense on the other groups like funding it.

[1:36:22] They might. I mean, it came up with the very end of a meeting and we didn't have an S chamber,

[1:36:27] but the Chamber has a lot of financial needs and had a deficit from last year or so.

[1:36:35] That's the system really soon. If we pay five, does that mean that the trade-offs

[1:36:39] are going to pay 10% because it's two groups at large?

[1:36:43] In general, I fully support, I fully support CRD. I think that something that we should consider

[1:36:52] is it seems like we're going to have some type of annual contribution to CRD, whether that's

[1:37:00] like attitude of gratitude, and right now those things feel like they're kind of coming at us,

[1:37:04] and we have to make these case-by-case decisions. And I wonder if in our budgeting process next year,

[1:37:11] we try to set aside some amount of funding, maybe it's from that 66K that we taper off the next

[1:37:20] a couple of years to support CRD related projects to keep that rolling.

[1:37:24] It's easier to take that on like, oh, we, we a lot of seven K for this year.

[1:37:30] And so, you know, we haven't spent it, we can give 7K, and then it is to say, where are we going to find this one?

[1:37:36] So that would be a suggestion is that we, to see our B-coupes coming up with requests.

[1:37:42] And I think they're all honorable, and I think we want to stay, you know, stay consistent with all those partners.

[1:37:48] But I do think it's probably worth our while to like try to figure out how much money it's going to take to continue to support that.

[1:37:55] If I ever made a CRD meeting, I'm going to suggest that maybe there's like a due structure or something.

[1:38:01] Like, from the bear initiative, we have a very small due structure for each of the partner organizations, which gives us an operating budget,

[1:38:08] and then we collectively make decisions on how to spend that.

[1:38:11] And that seems to be an easier way to have that money rather than ask after ask after ask.

[1:38:16] I think that we're predictable for us, yes.

[1:38:18] And also then, if you're contributing, I think the content on the Kiax will be a CRD decision,

[1:38:28] not the people who owns it decision, which is the trail of alliance now.

[1:38:32] That's what I want. That's what I'm hoping for, but I'm not sure that will happen.

[1:38:37] Because I think if we're going to contribute this money or create a manual fund, you go to all the meetings.

[1:38:43] I was going to the meeting of my kids' breakfast.

[1:38:46] Kids.

[1:38:48] Kids.

[1:38:49] That we would want to have a voice.

[1:38:53] No, no.

[1:38:54] Consistently.

[1:38:55] And I know you are that person.

[1:38:56] Well, I am a voice.

[1:38:58] But we have, we've tried to vote on leadership structure that people didn't want that.

[1:39:04] It's getting harder to get things done in CRB because there is no leadership structure.

[1:39:09] Branding does a great job in meeting the meetings and things we're on time for you out into it, but I

[1:39:17] Think that I think it would be great to say that we would contribute 5,000 and not should for KES as long as

[1:39:24] We have some say into the language on the KES. Yeah, I mean if it's a CRV project and everyone in CRV should be

[1:39:32] Be a part of the conversation with the languages if it's a trail aligns project and they're making the signs and they're asking

[1:39:37] Well, that's a different thing, right?

[1:39:42] I love that.

[1:39:45] It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's how to, you know,

[1:39:47] invest in writing.

[1:39:48] I know.

[1:39:48] It is the right.

[1:39:49] That is the right way to do it.

[1:39:51] Because it is a collaborative.

[1:39:52] You can't just pick and choose when to be cooperative, which is kind of what happened

[1:39:58] with attitude and I was hoping we learned from that, you know, but.

[1:40:03] So that we would have to make a motion.

[1:40:05] And we'd have to make that motion where language that was

[1:40:10] specific enough that said that the money from the carry over $5,000 to be directed to the CRV

[1:40:22] Yes, grant application with the understanding that the record district, along with collaboratively partners, partners, and how to say in the language.

[1:40:42] That's

[1:40:45] You I got I got a move

[1:40:48] You won't be started that you only have to say I'm good. I'm really yeah, hold on. I

[1:40:53] hope the money taking money from the carryover

[1:40:57] To the CRB Kiosk ran application with the understanding of the rectus trip and clever partners have a same language as matching funds a matching fund 5,000

[1:41:07] What is that what is our carryover?

[1:41:10] Our carryover is 50,000, six, eight, four.

[1:41:15] This is where we learn the why we have my carryover.

[1:41:17] No, I just know there's also a bridge.

[1:41:20] That's our answer.

[1:41:21] I'm nice second.

[1:41:23] Yes, I'm.

[1:41:25] Oh, thank you.

[1:41:25] On favor.

[1:41:28] I can go to the quick process check.

[1:41:30] We're over time.

[1:41:31] I mean, we have, we have anything that doesn't require

[1:41:35] this, essentially, to the next meeting.

[1:41:37] Yeah. We may have to pull off on here. You can print your executive report, right?

[1:41:44] Yeah, but we have to deal with the playboard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to get my executive report

[1:41:48] and see if anything requires a decision

[1:41:53] because the playboard is very tricky to deal with.

[1:41:56] Yeah. I think I think it can hold on. I don't know.

[1:42:00] Oh, yeah. But I will add it. I'll go out and connect.

[1:42:04] True. And is there anything? There's, if you want to say everybody take a look at

[1:42:08] And then that's just as an item.

[1:42:11] Now go to more tests.

[1:42:12] We've got some more.

[1:42:14] So let's move into the member of our emergency funding

[1:42:20] for the program, Rich.

[1:42:24] So the updates that I sent in terms of fundraising

[1:42:29] since they got recently got $5,000 revenue contribution.

[1:42:35] So now their need is 10,000.

[1:42:38] I say either responses to the questions and the properties I walked you over the bridge, it looks going to the story side, hi up, and so

[1:42:56] that's, so the nice support giving you some money to do the bridge,

[1:43:06] yeah,

[1:43:12] so we have some of this one money, so we have approximately 2000 that we didn't spend on swim lessons.

[1:43:18] So that we didn't have any other organizations other than the Rotary Chamber, not the same as the last one.

[1:43:32] For the path, you know, they're using their emergency reserves, what they, to find it.

[1:43:39] But they're trying to get other groups to offset that, so they don't delete their reserves.

[1:43:43] But if they got the complete amount covered, they weren't paying anything for it.

[1:43:47] To have a sad time in kind of, you should obviously.

[1:43:50] That is an interesting question.

[1:43:53] I mean, they're obviously spending a lot of work into it.

[1:43:55] Yes, they have done.

[1:43:59] But sometimes they add into their need, right, covering the house.

[1:44:05] They almost always do that.

[1:44:07] They put it like I didn't pay themselves.

[1:44:10] I mean, I know it gets all complicated.

[1:44:11] gets all molded into this. What happens when they ask more money or at the grant cycle,

[1:44:17] the word you give us a money to display your fridge. Not for tonight, we don't have time,

[1:44:24] but I would like to put on the radar, or I talked about whether it would make sense for us to

[1:44:31] create an emergency infrastructure capital fund, where we set some money aside every year.

[1:44:39] for emergencies, like this, otherwise everything is in emergency, it's not meant to be the money.

[1:44:50] And so what it amounts to ultimately is the potential for a lot of house cycle for us.

[1:45:00] We're always very sensitive to when it is needed, but we don't want it to be a precedent that

[1:45:07] bypasses the regular grant application process, a way to, you know.

[1:45:13] But both of the things, this paper to emergency and the turf, at matter of a part, are really

[1:45:19] under five change.

[1:45:21] that's the cost of subsidy, so there could be some restrictions with that or we, people don't have to know.

[1:45:31] I mean, we're not going to, the emergency find is to ourselves.

[1:45:36] We're inviting, we own a technical part.

[1:45:39] We don't have, you know, this year because of that carryover, which won't happen again.

[1:45:44] And where the lawsuits ramp up, the remaining money that put that's not going to necessarily

[1:45:51] happen again.

[1:45:53] So, you know, we have a big responsibility and usually we have, you know, reserve.

[1:45:59] So we could call it a reserve instead of an emergency fund and we could, you know, get it

[1:46:06] for ourselves.

[1:46:08] But maybe it gives us some wiggle room, with somebody else, a graduation infrastructure

[1:46:13] Yeah, I would caution us against creating a reserve for value when I get

[1:46:19] a restructure or emergency, because I think it's vastly costly, it's beyond what we

[1:46:24] would be able to do with our budget. So I think it would create false

[1:46:28] expectations. I think we do build effort reserve for anything, and you should be

[1:46:32] for that a report that is our asset. I think we should develop a long-term strategy

[1:46:38] for building capital fun, but our ability to inject money into infrastructure failure

[1:46:45] didn't kind of change. It's going to be a drop in the bucket.

[1:46:49] Folks are going to have to see money on other places for those major infrastructure initiatives.

[1:46:56] Maybe I should know this.

[1:46:58] And I'm just going to say a couple of questions and ideas around this request.

[1:47:07] like, how urgent or emergency was the need to replace the bridge.

[1:47:18] And I guess I say that because like,

[1:47:22] on there are other funding sources that aren't local,

[1:47:26] because we when we use this language of like urgency,

[1:47:30] like urgency is created when you're like,

[1:47:36] into the path. In the past six months, there's been an urge to request for attention to

[1:47:41] privacy, phone, there's been an urge to request because they need to pay a new person,

[1:47:45] there's been an urge to request for a bridge and if everything is urgent, then nothing is urgent.

[1:47:50] And so, is this something that could have been anticipated as a grant funding that could have

[1:47:56] paid for this? Is that something that fell through? Like, there's a lot of questions for me around this.

[1:48:01] I think an idea, I don't know if it's a solution, is that we, I'm assuming the reason

[1:48:09] we're talking about this is because it's time to make me, we let them apply for their

[1:48:12] $5,000 grant for this in advance of the debt of when the grant opens up because it has to

[1:48:20] come from a funding source and that's what we have available. Let's go through that out there's an idea.

[1:48:27] Well, I mean, they raise a 30,000 dollar project. They raise 20. They have their handlapped. They've already spent the money. They're using their reserve. So there isn't a timeline for that much.

[1:48:36] It certainly is a 40,000 dollar project.

[1:48:39] But it's not like they're not up against a deadline.

[1:48:44] They're looking for 30,000 dollars.

[1:48:46] I don't think they want an answer. I think that's a good way to put it.

[1:48:50] And I think they have not. I mean, they did a burst of fundraising. They haven't done anything since.

[1:48:55] They're just hoping to get.

[1:48:56] Well, when you put out like a 40,000 more project,

[1:48:59] like a lot of times, that's very important.

[1:49:00] Not like, oh my gosh, we have to do this right now.

[1:49:04] Well, which I would say, typically, as someone who works with an organization that has like,

[1:49:10] I mean, you have one happening on your road, which is like, there's still being, there's like,

[1:49:14] lots and lots of layers to this. And oftentimes, it's like,

[1:49:17] forgiveness to get some major type of infrastructure.

[1:49:21] They were planning to do a moderate repair to the bridge and then the flooding caused it to be

[1:49:29] this much more expensive.

[1:49:31] So, they were really looking to replenish the coffers.

[1:49:35] Having borne it, spent the money.

[1:49:38] I mean, that's why I mean, I think, you know, to me, we have about $2,000 in this event.

[1:49:44] For swim lessons, it would be, you know, a show of faith.

[1:49:49] We do have a lot of concerns, you know, financial concerns of our own and other things coming up.

[1:49:58] So it could be a compromise to give them that.

[1:50:01] I keep going back to like a quality and I feel like me really negative this meeting.

[1:50:06] Well, one is like, I feel like these requests are coming in after they've already spent the money.

[1:50:12] attitude of attitude was the same thing.

[1:50:14] The web is the same as the video,

[1:50:15] oh, and now we need the money, but it to me,

[1:50:18] and it doesn't matter because it's not a grant,

[1:50:20] but I feel like the request should come before

[1:50:24] the money has been spent some,

[1:50:25] I mean, the way that this is happening

[1:50:27] sometimes this is it to me about.

[1:50:29] Maybe I'm not that familiar with this type of timeline.

[1:50:33] And the other thing is, is this the best use

[1:50:36] of that $2,000 when we're talking about supporting

[1:50:39] a diverse demographic in our community, is that bridge

[1:50:43] heavily used by the people? You know I just think it is $2,000

[1:50:47] in the ton of money but it's a ton of money to

[1:50:50] matter of a soccer. It covers one

[1:50:54] of our private achievements.

[1:50:59] I think that the bridge was like getting to be unsafe and they felt like if they didn't

[1:51:08] prepare it, soon they might have to spend more to prepare it like you and he was

[1:51:14] the season, you know, pretty soon. You know, he's been hiking as much on the

[1:51:19] on the path. So I don't know, but I think that was not emergency if they've

[1:51:24] already spent the money. Right. Like, I mean, it's emergency. It's like, it's like,

[1:51:36] Is it is this different than a bridge being out for the rich runners? Is it different than

[1:51:43] like, but it just because it came up in a cycle of nature's pursuit of projects outside

[1:51:49] of our ignorance. My view of energy considerations to them, but it might not be for us and

[1:51:57] might not be our highest priority. I just I think that we've had a number of like out of

[1:52:03] in cycle requests and more and more that are coming in and I think that that makes it

[1:52:13] particularly tricky because you're not, you're like, what are we going to do with this

[1:52:16] two-gram and it's not like looking at everything that every other recreational group is looking

[1:52:20] out of the course texture. It's like, oh, these people told us right now that you need to make this happen

[1:52:25] and we don't even know what else is going to be coming away. And so I want to

[1:52:31] If it's not like emergency, like we have to pay for it, I would say the grant cycle starts, you know, the grants are open on October 15th. This is a seemed like a really good thing, even by far.

[1:52:41] Well, but wouldn't that be an exception to what our grants are perceived that it's a reimbursement program. They usually, they haven't spent it until they apply for our grant. We say yes, they spend it reimbursed. So this would already be spent, I mean, I mean, I'm just saying, if you're okay with that, well,

[1:53:00] And in terms of thinking about equity, fairness, it just feels, it does feel like the early bird gets the worm with some organizations, more so than others.

[1:53:14] And what is the stock, other organizations from engaging in these concepts of the cycle, applications, kind of federal grants?

[1:53:26] And if we're looking at this Kiosk project being really important to us, we need really important

[1:53:30] to recreation.

[1:53:31] I saw so many people looking at those Kioskists somewhere, like, notice how much others

[1:53:35] are actually using it up.

[1:53:37] If that's very important to us, you know, we have to, at some point, me, the hard decisions

[1:53:44] of what we're going to do with our money, and you can do it all.

[1:53:48] I think giving $2,000 just as a sign of show of faith is not really worth it.

[1:53:54] I think we need to really think hard

[1:53:56] at how we want to spend money.

[1:53:59] And there's not a lot of it.

[1:54:01] And now we have this huge park building.

[1:54:09] Where are we going to do?

[1:54:10] I mean, I'm going to have a little bit of a few talk.

[1:54:12] I'm going to think about it.

[1:54:12] I don't think we spend money.

[1:54:14] But if we have a lot of other fields,

[1:54:16] there's just a big looping thing, right?

[1:54:18] Yeah.

[1:54:20] I mean, most organizations have

[1:54:23] they have, like, their annual budget, right?

[1:54:26] So for instance, if path comes to us

[1:54:28] the request or something else and they provide receipts for it. I think to expect that there's

[1:54:36] going to be, you know, 5,000 for the path, 5,000 for the riders and we're going to chip in this

[1:54:41] money and the emergency, that feels like a lot of asks, all coming within a couple of months.

[1:54:51] And the KS.

[1:54:52] Well, I mean, the KS are theoretically a shared resource.

[1:54:57] But I'd like to really talk about that way, Andy.

[1:54:59] I mean, it does kind of feel like another aspect.

[1:55:02] Right.

[1:55:02] So I think that that's part of that.

[1:55:04] No, I think the KS.

[1:55:05] I mean, even if that is value right.

[1:55:08] I have a really long, and now I have a recommendation.

[1:55:11] I agree with that.

[1:55:12] But if there's some conversation, I heard at the CRB meeting that one person, like one organization

[1:55:17] to go back and that organization is the same.

[1:55:19] So yes, I, I, yeah, we have a heart, we have a big, and we have limited funds, and we have

[1:55:28] a reward.

[1:55:31] So I think we, I think we can also come and say, like, we have a grand cycle coming up.

[1:55:38] We have, we don't know what the requests are going to be. We don't know how much money we're going

[1:55:42] to have after that. And it's something we can consider, but it's really hard for us to spend access

[1:55:46] money right before we're about to go into our biggest giving time of the year.

[1:55:52] You would, they could write their grant.

[1:55:57] I don't know, maybe, I don't know how to, I mean, I also, I'm like typically the one that doesn't want to get like an exception.

[1:56:04] Well, I think what I'm saying is we, it's hard for us to take this request right now because we're literally getting ready to launch our grants system, our grant program.

[1:56:14] We don't know how many requests we're going to have and what that's where we take.

[1:56:17] we've got a major bill coming from that of a car.

[1:56:20] And so it would be potentially financially

[1:56:22] irresponsible for us to be like, yeah,

[1:56:24] we're going to hone the up and give all this money

[1:56:26] and then we find ourselves in a position in two months

[1:56:28] where we're like, well, sorry, we can't give this group

[1:56:31] this amount of money.

[1:56:32] You don't have this additional money.

[1:56:34] I think there's a lot of financial decisions

[1:56:38] that are looming and it's really hard to just be like,

[1:56:41] yes, we're going to do this one.

[1:56:43] Just because it's on our plate right now.

[1:56:46] I agree.

[1:56:47] Yeah.

[1:56:48] I think because the work has already been done, it's like we're being asked with their own

[1:56:54] reserves.

[1:56:55] Yeah.

[1:56:55] We're being asked to refill their reserves.

[1:56:58] It's not like.

[1:56:59] With our reserves.

[1:57:00] Right.

[1:57:01] So I mean, yeah.

[1:57:03] I'm like, I don't even write that.

[1:57:06] I'm happy to say whatever.

[1:57:08] Next for me.

[1:57:09] And that's a big issue that is going to come up that I just do want to mention.

[1:57:16] is that we're really good meeting with a bunch of people about dogs because of the dogs that

[1:57:21] were telling the sugar and I think to a lot of good ideas that there needs to be some funding for that.

[1:57:28] So that group may write a grant, which I think is also important for us because we have to have safety and consistency on the trails in the valley.

[1:57:41] So we didn't get, we may have, you know, yet another group applying this never applied before.

[1:57:50] I think we're in also a reality now right now.

[1:57:53] More people are going to need more money.

[1:57:55] Everything's more expensive and everyone's more expensive.

[1:58:01] Okay.

[1:58:02] I think that's the pragmatic reality check.

[1:58:05] There we are.

[1:58:06] So where it was nice to go to provide pictures.

[1:58:10] information about the project. It's clear that you fit it right.

[1:58:18] Okay. It's a third one, two.

[1:58:23] We'll have a motion to adjourn.

[1:58:28] To move.

[1:58:29] Wall of favor.

[1:58:31] We have to get a second.

[1:58:33] All in favor.

[1:58:36] All in favor.

[1:58:37] All in favor.

[1:58:38] All in favor.

[1:58:40] All in favor.

[1:58:41] All in favor.

[1:58:42] All in favor.

Mad River Valley Recreation District Board Meeting 9-15-26

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