[0:40] We start the meeting every week with public comments. This is for anything that's not on the agenda. If anybody wants to speak to something that is not on the agenda, now we'll be the time to do it.

[0:52] Yes, you may.

[0:59] Good evening. My name is Joanna Conner and I'm Vice Chair of the Manchester Democratic Committee

[1:04] and with the election season coming up right after Labor Day. I have a concern about political

[1:11] signs. I've looked at the ordinances that Anita had sent and Peter had sent and there's a

[1:19] couple of them out there. One deals temporary signs and the other one deals with yard signs

[1:26] And neither one seems to deal with political temporary science.

[1:31] They're protected under a higher authority.

[1:37] A need of correct me if I'm wrong.

[1:38] We cannot regulate political campaigns, signs,

[1:43] during a part of the season, is that correct?

[1:49] Yeah.

[1:54] I mean,

[1:57] the Secretary of State's office, her website says, they have no authority to regulate these signs.

[2:03] It's up to the municipality's to do it.

[2:05] So that's from here.

[2:10] The two ordinances that I was pointed to like I say deal with sounds

[2:15] like commercial signs and not political signs because it talks about 90 days, you could have

[2:21] them up and you know, it doesn't it doesn't deal with that. So I would like to sort of come

[2:28] up with other select board or the zoning board to come up with one specific to political signs.

[2:34] Now there's public property, private property, when they go up, when they come down and those things aren't really clear in either one of these ordinances.

[2:46] That's interesting.

[2:48] Like it says two weeks, some places, and my recollection is, and I don't know where this is codified,

[2:58] that they can only be on private property that they have come down.

[3:04] the day after the election, but I don't know where that's, but there were other restrictions,

[3:10] but I don't know where I would find that in, in, in, in, in statute or ordinance.

[3:17] So, what are the previous, so I think that this is a different generation community, that's actually,

[3:23] what do you have to do over 40 years later?

[3:25] All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right.

[3:27] That's what we've been going on with it.

[3:31] And we've got to share.

[3:32] Maybe we've been going on with it without anything.

[3:35] But you don't just spend Scott.

[3:38] Yeah, we've actually got this item on our agenda for next meeting.

[3:42] And so the idea was that you would have all this pertinent information.

[3:46] So you could talk about it.

[3:50] But generally, they have the measures to their science and most do.

[3:56] and they say a small fee for that. I don't know what they do. And then you were right to can't be on a

[4:01] municipal property. Let's be private property. And then happily election, they had to come down the

[4:08] meal. So I don't think that's, I don't agree with that. Registring the signs we've never had to do that before.

[4:16] Yeah, I was, I don't know. It doesn't seem right. But we have, that's why I have it. It seems like to be

[4:22] business of a number of different clients, temporary science to me.

[4:25] So it was fall under the temporary sign ordinance and the fee structure and in most people pay that.

[4:33] Yeah, I think, just if we throw and stop out there and see if it sticks to the wall.

[4:39] These are very different animals than commercial for a business or something like that and I don't, I don't really like the fee.

[5:03] Yeah, we were directed to, we pay the $25 fee.

[5:08] We had to register and we had to put every location and we had to check off that we had received permission from that landowner to put that sign there.

[5:20] Now, I don't think it's why the enforce is then I talked to other candidates and they never did that.

[5:26] Yeah, I've got to come up and see.

[5:29] The way that it usually happens, especially in a grander election, where the candidates

[5:34] not uncommon to Manchester and go through all the things that you went through, it was pretty much up to the owner of the property to do it.

[5:43] And I'm not sure if they really want to pay a fee to put political signs on their property.

[5:48] It's a temporary thing.

[5:50] And it can go on public property too, it's up to you, it's up to you.

[5:56] We recently had an interesting situation here in town where there was neighborhood resistance to an application.

[6:08] It was made to the DRB relative to change of use of a property in the commercial zone and there were signs all over that neighborhood.

[6:20] I guess that particular applicant and trying to speak in general terms, but I think everybody knows what I'm talking about.

[6:30] Where I doubt highly, if any of those were registered, we confiscated several.

[6:35] Yeah, and of course there was no upcoming election.

[6:39] They couldn't really be, I mean, even though they're political and nature.

[6:42] I don't know if they have fallen in a category of political science, because that generally

[6:47] would speak to a candidate for a specific law that's being, I don't know if they're

[6:57] signs that support an act by legislature that people put on their property.

[7:03] Well, I think it goes better than that, because we also have, you know, Burm Burt and Long Trail

[7:10] without signs when people graduate. Does every person who wants to put out a sign for their kid

[7:17] proud that they will graduate? Need to pay? I don't know. So that's also going to be

[7:22] sure, too. It's like it is. But how long do they stay up? I sometimes see those up for over here.

[7:30] Just to point out what the website says for the Secretary of State, it says the policy can be short and sweet. We suggest that the board consider the following. Clear statement of where on the public property, signs will be allowed, or that no signs will be allowed on public property. If the latter, you can stop right here.

[7:50] Okay, that's it.

[7:51] Then a reasonable limit on the number of signs per candidate or issue, a reasonable time duration such as temporary signs can be displayed for no more than X weeks.

[8:03] And you fill in the black.

[8:04] A limitation on sign of the size of each sign in exact terms such as 2 by 3, not small.

[8:13] So those are those sort of the corrects of what they're suggesting to the select words.

[8:22] So the part that's very difficult to track and regulate is, especially with candidate

[8:28] signs where somebody supports a candidate and want to push signs of their property.

[8:33] Some people feel like they need a forest of those signs on their property,

[8:38] but that's not

[8:39] candidate themselves, putting up that science, the landowner, and I really, and so they need

[8:45] to be responsible for removing them, obviously, but again, I guess, back to the fee and the

[8:51] cracking, how many science that you're responsible for, and all that, I think that might be a little

[8:56] bit onerous. We want people to be excited about and participate in elections, and it's kind

[9:04] traditional. Yeah. But we do need some sort of. Yeah. That's why. I agree with it. So so why are you

[9:18] proposed? Well, it does say also that if you do allow it on public private and you have both,

[9:26] they both have to have the same time friends like two weeks, everybody's two weeks. The private

[9:32] properties, take it down two weeks. So what? So they have to equal rules. So I have to

[9:42] wonder, okay, what they are, I just think they have to be consistent.

[9:45] Well, that would mesh with members of the neighborhood being opposed to something that's happening

[9:51] and wanting to make their thoughts known. But it's over an extended period of time because

[10:01] decisions and appeals are ongoing. And I'm talking about the what

[10:10] we saw on in the area of the deep

[10:12] Oh, those jiffy wouldn't have a problem in their office of itself.

[10:22] She has an electric car.

[10:26] I

[10:29] think about it.

[10:30] You only put two weeks and then you can.

[10:32] And I know we're going to talk about this next.

[10:35] Yeah.

[10:36] It's good to have the discussion here tonight.

[10:38] I think there's also also worth noting that I think there's a general guidance that at least the political parties.

[10:45] I'll speak to have a general sense that these one of them, which is that after the election for the primary election, if you notice, there were signs up at the primary leading up to the primary and then within a day or so, they both to those signs were pulled.

[11:03] I mean, there's still obviously some houses that have followed them so often.

[11:08] It's my understanding and everyone seems to have their own rule of thumb was that it was 45 days.

[11:18] 45 days leading up to the election and then you had 24 hours to pull them.

[11:25] And then that's why most of the signs are taken down because they would go back up middle of September.

[11:34] And the other piece is that in dealing with the village, the village has also found themselves

[11:40] in the past to be extremely strict in that you needed a permit for every single location

[11:47] that the science for being placed with a fee for every location, which was $25, $50 and then

[11:56] also had to have it reviewed by the DRB, which only means once a month, right? So it was

[12:04] very onerous, and then there were of course people who were activists that felt like they

[12:09] should not be in the village and would go out and take them, because of the fact, but they actually

[12:15] have actually in their updated town ordinances, they have a very clear guideline, and it's I think 30 days

[12:26] like they can be up for 30 days and there's no permit fee or anything or any structure

[12:32] that it's just living 30 days up to the election and then I believe there's a stipulation

[12:37] of how quickly the key to be removed and who is I got the bill actually.

[12:42] And then there's the other 1,000 area and if you don't know if you can't pay as quick enough

[12:51] I mean, you know, I mean, they've got a different set of rules, and they do.

[12:56] So, um, yeah, if we're going to consider this that our next meeting, it would be

[13:03] wiser of us to kind of research what the surrounding communities are doing, including the village.

[13:11] And I think when the news is that, all right.

[13:15] You know what I mean, whatever you're decision is.

[13:19] Yeah, I need a.

[13:22] It's also, I felt good to keep her property signs that this category may only be displayed within 30 days of a relevant election and must be removed from the property within three days of a relevant election having to keep it.

[13:37] As a presiding officer here in Manchester, I've been with a municipality for almost 17 years.

[13:44] In those 17 years, the municipality has never allowed political signs of any sort on municipal property.

[13:55] Please be mindful on election day. We have a lot going on. If you are present at the primary election, you know, we had a little bit more excitement.

[14:04] that we usually have. Please take into consideration the political environment we are currently in and also be aware of the fact that we are approaching deadlines and your decisions that you are going to make will impact white a few of our voters here in Manchester.

[14:29] with the next board meeting being September 18th, I believe, or around there.

[14:36] Timeframes are getting short.

[14:38] We need to keep that in mind if and when you make changes.

[14:42] Yeah, and if we can add an ordinance or a vending ordinance,

[14:48] there's a waiting here and so you really would miss this.

[14:53] It would be a future elections.

[14:55] but we could certainly use this guidance and ask them, yeah, perfect.

[15:00] I think we need to do this. We need to do this. We need to declare and so that people understand and it shouldn't be overly onerous because we want people to be able to participate politically and encourage people to do so.

[15:15] So it's interesting, Jackie.

[15:17] I know I was hearing your recent experience.

[15:20] And you had to do it online.

[15:22] I'll be the one who didn't work.

[15:26] So finally we were here and said, um, this does not work, would you please show us, because they kept telling us what we're doing when we brought them like, oh, it doesn't work.

[15:36] So it was it was challenging at best. So finally we did a spreadsheet and gave them the spreadsheets that we go.

[15:43] But I was kind of surprised we had to do that.

[15:46] Yeah, I surprised. And again, I mean, that was some kind of a for a local elections.

[15:51] So you hear me get involved and do that, but with a state election or a federal election,

[15:57] I can't get it.

[15:57] It's not going to be involved anymore.

[16:00] And there may be some member of their organization that would be, but people wouldn't have a clue.

[16:05] I mean, you know, I support this person that I want to put a sign up.

[16:09] I want them to be able to do that for a moment of time.

[16:13] And I think it's nice to have a time frame.

[16:15] Yeah.

[16:15] I think that's important.

[16:16] You know, and I'd probably have a time frame.

[16:18] You did your job.

[16:20] It's one of the most important things that we do is to participate in elections and we want to encourage people to do that and have a pretty vital change of ideas and thoughts.

[16:36] I'll just say that one night if I touch the beast that we're doing my dad ran for his

[16:40] save wrap the first time. He had signs made and he put one up for him. It was literally

[16:46] on top of his sand pit on the side of Route 7. And no one could get it to take it down. So

[16:56] it's saved up there. Three or four years. That was more of a banner. That was an election

[17:05] design.

[17:12] Okay, interesting. Well, apparently it's on the agenda for our next meeting. So we will

[17:19] we will be discussing this. And again, any action that we take if that meeting won't apply

[17:23] to this upcoming life in any way.

[17:27] It's got to be done sometime. Any other public comments?

[17:32] Anything that's not on the agenda?

[17:36] Seeing none? We need to approve the minutes of August 18.

[17:42] for

[17:48] the minutes as presented of August 18th.

[17:52] Second, one second, oh, there's a, I, I, minutes are approved.

[17:58] One order of business that we have to do is to appoint our new police chief, James Blanchard,

[18:03] as talent and counsel, uh, counsel, replace the retire and chief B. J. O.

[18:12] That's correct.

[18:13] Make a motion to appoint police chief, Jamie Blanchard, as the new talent and counsel.

[18:20] I'll say, move the second at any of the questions, I'll pay for say aye, that's true for all dog

[18:29] part of foundation request. I see dog people here, just give me number five. Oh wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, sit

[18:39] All right,

[18:48] so we talked about this at the last meeting and basically the police, the

[19:09] Board member Jonathan West is volunteered for the select board wrap. Brian Vogel has it, but I want to if a community member wrap a guy just wrong I don't I don't I don't run flin off so run flin will be the police member and so we have a we just need to appoint those people and then we can get the for trustees together for brief meeting because we do have a request.

[19:36] I would entertain a motion to that effect.

[19:41] I move that way of point.

[19:45] Jonathan, last round vocal and round blend.

[19:50] Yeah, as members of the police benevolent fund,

[19:54] not sure if we have to appoint.

[19:56] I think you just said I'm at the police chief.

[19:57] I don't think that's fine.

[20:00] Yeah.

[20:00] All we can.

[20:02] We should include the chief for police.

[20:04] in the town manager in motion, I think, this way.

[20:08] So we'll include Jamie Blanchard and Scott Murphy.

[20:11] So those five.

[20:14] Zero second.

[20:17] Second.

[20:17] Second, no need to discussion.

[20:19] All favors the eye.

[20:21] Hi.

[20:22] And that's for all, and we have a board of trustees

[20:26] for the police benevolent fund.

[20:29] Now, Brian, I'm sorry.

[20:33] Thank you.

[20:33] So I'm here representing the die part, I'm board member, we have three of our other four board members here with us tonight, and what we're requesting is a grant to use or permission to use the land at the north end of the park.

[20:47] So right now you know where the park sits and I think suited a map.

[20:50] What we would like to do is go through the remove the north fence and extend into the woods and it's the woods that go between the park and the rink.

[21:00] It's currently not being used for anything, and what we would like to do is create a walking

[21:04] power, horseshoe shaped walking path through there, similar to the paths that are up by

[21:09] Equinox Plot.

[21:10] It would be fenced in so the dogs can't get out.

[21:14] The idea is frequently what happens in the park is people come in the South Gate and they congregate

[21:19] at the South End, and that end gets more worn, and it just happens, and so the feeling is

[21:26] we create a walking path all the way at the other end that you'll get a lot better use out of the park.

[21:33] We have an estimate in there for the work, so we've done that.

[21:37] And if the board approves, granting us a land, the next step would be frost of fundraiser.

[21:43] We would go no closer, the fence would be no closer to the path than it currently is.

[21:49] So I think it's either about 15 feet, where the gate is, where they bring in the lawnmower on the side on the...

[21:58] you decide so it would be at least that far from the path. So wouldn't bother anybody who's

[22:06] you know, walking or running. Scott, would you want to just make any significant

[22:12] maintenance decisions with us? Well, there is, there is an issue. The issue is that we currently

[22:18] use it and it has been for years to kind of a many, many dump and I hate to use that term.

[22:27] But we've reloaded many or dump.

[22:34] We relocate live stones, and there's excavated concrete in here. There's tree limbs, and regularly

[22:41] they use for grass footings. And most recently, when we built this flash pad, we excavated

[22:51] a nice soil, and there's a mountain of soil, and now it's not used.

[22:56] So, if you look on Brian's map, a lower map, you'll see kind of a gray area in the middle.

[23:04] That's the so-called mini dump area.

[23:08] And right now, we just, you know, it's grass kite, because we go in there with the mower.

[23:14] And there's a lot of things in it, so if they do move forward with this, there's going to

[23:20] We have to be some excavation from the contractor, and I did see Brian on his estimate for you

[23:29] that it did, there's a space for extra work, it might charge you extra for that excavation.

[23:36] The other question would be, would the town be willing to move that since it's been used as a town dump plan?

[23:45] I know there used to be more stuff there when John was here and a lot of it was, we had

[23:52] talked to him about the idea and so a lot of the stuff was moved when they built a new equipment

[23:56] shed over by the gun, the gun called, I don't know if it's by, I'll be using the new yesterday and

[24:03] it's still quite a bit of extended concrete, large folders, those type of things.

[24:15] So being a nonprofit on a shoe string budget, we would certainly appreciate and part of our charter with the town is that we don't ask the town for money.

[24:27] So if the town will be willing to help out, if you grant us the land, the town will be willing to help move some of that stuff.

[24:34] We would certainly appreciate it because 24,000 is going to be a big nut for us to swallow as it is.

[24:39] I guess I would have to see it or get some kind of an estimate as to how much material is there.

[24:49] That we had dumped over the years and where we might move it to in the case of the top soil.

[24:57] We have no other place on the site, all the acreage is grass cut. There's no more woods,

[25:06] which make a compost pile for this stuff.

[25:09] But I mean, this tire is in there, you know, we shouldn't be doing that anyway.

[25:15] No, it's not a lot of this stuff, but some of the stuff that's been there for decades.

[25:28] And then where do we go after this next time we get large stuff that we want to reduce some site,

[25:35] where we put that stuff.

[25:39] It's all.

[25:40] I would like some, this is kind of a unforeseen circumstance.

[25:52] And I'm going to have to look at that personally, I think, just to get into some kind of

[25:56] ideas on what we're talking about.

[25:59] I think in general terms, I think it's a great idea.

[26:05] We're not a host, the idea, I think it's a great idea to good presentation too, but what do we

[26:12] do with the stuff that's there and what do the next time we have stuff that's supposed

[26:17] that might use in the fall. The stuff that's there, that was all generated on site and demolition

[26:24] on. Yeah, it wasn't brought on. It wasn't brought into the air. I think there's to be some like

[26:29] old swing equipment, like higher swing or something like that. Yeah. Why is the stuff that's there?

[26:36] The trend for you, or is it, does it all have to go with, I don't know.

[26:42] Is it a deterrent to constructing the park or is it all of it can be there, can you visually see it, is it?

[26:50] You can see it. Some of it can stay there. Once it's finished in, it will be hard to remove.

[26:56] Right. It will be hard to add to.

[27:01] Well I feel like organic matter should be fine, but if it's, you know, tires and old equipment, it shouldn't be there anyway.

[27:08] I mean, that's not a break.

[27:10] Well, I don't know.

[27:11] There wasn't any old equipment, but there was tires.

[27:14] A few tires, not a lot of tires, but there's, you know, the concrete that had been removed

[27:20] from somewhere.

[27:21] And then there was a big, like concrete ballards, it must have been somewhere at some point.

[27:29] These are large, heavy pieces that

[27:36] they're, yeah, they're, those ballards must have

[27:38] and some other configuration, probably flyer that,

[27:42] but yeah, I think it probably goes that the way it's.

[27:45] Actually, I was just thinking, yeah, I don't know.

[27:47] I spent a while since I went out there too,

[27:49] but that I actually think I've seen

[27:51] in other parts where they've actually mounted,

[27:54] like a mouse in the middle of the park,

[27:56] to actually let the,

[27:58] because it's pretty flat.

[28:00] Oh, okay.

[28:02] So, you know, just,

[28:05] not, I'm not saying very in the tires,

[28:08] if the property and what's there could be,

[28:14] yeah, as to utilize this fill over and press over it.

[28:19] Can't see it, it's not fair.

[28:22] I mean,

[28:26] I think that.

[28:27] Well, I can get some pictures for you.

[28:30] Yeah, this is near and you can stop.

[28:32] I'll go through the rest of the rest of prior to moving forward with this.

[28:37] what's your projected time table if it's the one you'd like to get this down?

[28:41] As soon as we could raise the money, so a couple months before we beat even the

[28:47] ready to start, and then it's a question of whether they want to start in the winner or

[28:49] wait until spring because it's a ground will be hard.

[28:56] When do you think?

[28:58] That should make me sense when you think you need it.

[29:04] But it's going to take us a little while and raise the money.

[29:07] Yeah. So, it probably wouldn't be until springtime. That's suspect.

[29:15] Yeah, we need answers to a few

[29:17] break before we do this. I would say the one, the one issue is we don't want to move ahead

[29:24] fundraising if we can't do the project. That's it. We'll take a little field trip over there,

[29:32] check it out.

[29:41] Nice presentation. Any time we don't have a page or it's it's a good project.

[29:49] But

[29:52] now live a component that we may have to do.

[29:54] Fuck.

[29:58] Let's get anything.

[30:01] Green Mountain of States. Oh, this is the capital. Yeah.

[30:07] Well, yes, Scott, why don't you?

[30:10] I last year you had mentioned that you wanted to follow up on this at the end of the fifth

[30:14] year. I think this was good times any.

[30:19] And you have in your packets, the proceeds from the green mountain sale, green mountain sale,

[30:26] And it shows him how to receive and the expenses to date.

[30:31] Because that's a balance of over 592,000.

[30:36] And then we talked to the others during the course of the last year

[30:41] about setting up a restricted use fund because they indicated

[30:47] that there was going to be no more additional funds received

[30:50] from the acquisition, which is true.

[30:53] Board could set up a restricted use fund.

[30:55] But they also noted that, you know, it may not be desired to do that,

[31:00] because it's part of the upkeep and maintenance of the roads and kill it.

[31:04] And so if you restrict this map, this amount into a capital or restrict the capital

[31:12] fund, you can only use it for that particular use.

[31:17] Yeah.

[31:37] So basically, we're trying to just think about whether because these funds came from a specific

[31:42] thing should they be restricted to maintaining that specific thing or if it should just people in general

[31:47] a lot keep up. Rose Rose, you tell it's right. Next angle.

[31:55] And the, it

[32:02] was a restricted capital account

[32:04] that was set up as as a part of the settlement of all the legal issues. As I understand, I mean,

[32:17] the capital fund itself was created through that process and the figure that was attacked

[32:26] to it.

[32:27] It started out.

[32:30] Oh, that was part of the sale agreement.

[32:33] So there was, I think, dedicated funds towards legal on their side.

[32:38] Right.

[32:39] And as it turned out, we didn't spend all those.

[32:44] I think it might have been 800,000 and now there's 500,000 left or something.

[32:47] It's along that line. Yeah, but I mean, but I mean, we've made our spend that amount of money in my life time.

[33:01] I'm angry not in the States, but even assuming that a little hard time.

[33:12] And, well, now we went from the road though, too, the times and the infrastructure, so

[33:18] it's kind of, it actually limits us because if there's another thing that is more urgent

[33:24] and we can't access, or we don't, I don't know, I kind of feel like the reason for the restriction

[33:31] was to get past the settlement. And so now that that's done and that we aren't the road in the sewer.

[33:38] Right. We should have it should be part of that, you know, general fund.

[33:45] Unless we should want to reserve a little bit in case there's

[33:49] I mean, like you said, are the town roads and there's also there ever

[33:54] possibly anything else comes back up that we have to spend money on.

[33:58] Well, they're good.

[33:59] Yeah.

[33:59] I mean, they're supposed to be.

[34:01] I'm going.

[34:05] No.

[34:06] I think they're good bookrooms.

[34:07] I mean, they're good also.

[34:09] They're good also.

[34:10] I think they're also the general, you know, understanding that the HASIS in general for that development

[34:17] was to provide affordable housing options for the community at the time and that area is a

[34:25] plan growth area and there's opportunities for growth there and utilizing

[34:30] that potentially expand. You know, if we restricted, we wouldn't be able to say, okay,

[34:36] but we can't apply this to a potential project that might be...

[34:38] Pick a story. Yeah. One of Jeff Williams's biggest fear was another flood that would

[34:46] that would undercut to pay, and would have to repave it at some point.

[34:52] and get you that. And that cost was about 137,000 just for the, I even pinched it.

[35:00] But then we still would have this money. Yes, it's like, you know, so it's not really like it's. Yeah.

[35:05] You know, we would mentally know that the money exists. I think you'd be handcuffing yourself if you did.

[35:12] Yeah, I feel like there's a flexibility that this should probably

[35:16] sir. Maybe, sir. Um, if it goes into, sir. Um,

[35:24] then it's fire, it's fire, it's more approval to. What other

[35:28] options do we have? I mean, general funding, but then I don't

[35:32] love that either. Right, either. Do we have it? I mean, do we have a

[35:35] general, another general capital account? Well, Mike says it's

[35:39] technically in it's all an account right now. So even though it's

[35:43] And then we can't even find it keeps it in the same or technically restrictions off.

[35:47] Well, there's no restriction on.

[35:48] We have, we just, we put it as a dedicated fund there.

[35:51] So, what if we just leave it there and don't have restrictions on it and make decisions

[35:56] on utilizing it, as needed, but I mean, or we should put it, we should be dedicated toward

[36:04] I mean, it shouldn't be for the wreck park or that sort of thing. I mean, it was originally

[36:18] full of debris and a dog bark. What's that? Is that going to add to ourselves, you know?

[36:25] But it was the expectation was going to be for expenditures and upgrades to roads and that sort of thing.

[36:37] And it should be used for that just expanded beyond greed.

[36:40] For the town.

[36:42] So can we do something along?

[36:44] Do we have to do anything?

[36:45] Because it's no.

[36:46] No.

[36:46] We don't have.

[36:47] And maybe I'll ask the others,

[36:51] what they recommend as far as it's like to.

[36:55] I mean, it's in in the count now that it's on,

[36:58] but it's under the general fund.

[36:59] We could call it a special infrastructure fund or something.

[37:03] I mean, there's one thing I think about that's,

[37:06] but this would be a separate, it's a separate entity,

[37:09] but I mean, at the upgrading of the water meters,

[37:13] for all of the homes in that.

[37:16] We can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, let's try it Terry's fun.

[37:23] So when they set it up, we really set it up to the airmark what that money was to be used for.

[37:29] This.

[37:30] The mail agreement said to be used for the upkeep and maintenance of the green amount of states. That was, that was the sales agreement.

[37:41] Okay.

[37:42] One second.

[37:43] One second.

[37:44] There were expectations for expenditures that didn't materialize in the transfer of the property.

[37:56] I mean, so, so I'll keep making those for roles and sewer and sewer, the sewer was a big

[38:05] concept.

[38:05] We just like spell about like that, this is a fun dedicated to, you know, the thing is if it's

[38:11] in a general fund, it really shouldn't go toward sewer because that's a separate enterprise.

[38:18] It's right, but prior to the sale or as part of the sale, we had to upgrade the sewer

[38:25] that money did come from that.

[38:28] And this is the remaining stuff.

[38:30] But that was one of the items

[38:31] that came in under what the project was,

[38:33] what the project was.

[38:33] If I were to just grab, yeah.

[38:35] I'm a word that we have to replace

[38:36] a lot of the infrastructure in there for sewer.

[38:38] So I think that we got,

[38:40] so this was an account that could be accessed

[38:44] for water, sewer, and public worse,

[38:50] of the town.

[38:52] It's an interesting animal.

[38:56] Because those are three separate entities.

[39:00] Correct.

[39:02] But that's maybe what's unique about it, is that?

[39:04] Oh, it is.

[39:05] Maybe that maybe that's what we don't want to mess with.

[39:09] It gives us some flexibility if we get, you know,

[39:11] we have a main break or something.

[39:13] I'm not.

[39:14] So who controls how that one is spent or allocated?

[39:20] Because even though we are the board of sewer commissioners,

[39:23] it's not a select board.

[39:24] It's the same people, but it's a different board.

[39:27] And the water board is, we had a former member sitting right here.

[39:31] Maybe this one is a bigger sector.

[39:33] Maybe this record decides if they want to allocate it to a smaller water.

[39:38] So the second record, and an ultimate control.

[39:42] I mean, nobody had it.

[39:44] Otherwise it's going to be a lot of.

[39:46] I think he's doing now.

[39:48] Oh, yeah.

[39:49] It's fire.

[39:49] Yeah, we do.

[39:50] Yeah, we do.

[39:51] But yeah, already have control over it.

[39:53] So let's just codify I have a control rate if we need it for emergency sewer water situations

[40:00] that we feel benefit the entire time.

[40:04] In order to set up a restricted juice fund you need to vote a pool also so that would

[40:10] have to happen to be in a meeting if you wanted to go to that.

[40:14] I don't think we want to restart them.

[40:16] No, I'm just saying yes.

[40:17] say no.

[40:21] Yeah.

[40:22] I'm just going to do it from the microphone.

[40:25] So people watching by Zoom can hear you.

[40:27] Mr. Chairman.

[40:29] This is town have a capital account.

[40:34] Well, no, I'm just thinking that if you if you took the money and and and divide it up and put into a capital, maybe some water, some sewer.

[40:44] Um, roads or whatever, but capital, so if you have an emergency, like you say, if you're

[40:48] one of those.

[40:49] The water department, the sewer, the water company, the sewer company, both have capital accounts,

[40:58] which are replenished largely through connection fees for both.

[41:03] The, the town has a number of capital accounts, the biggest one being the surf fund, which

[41:09] was the old U-Dag fund, and we changed the name of that, because the

[41:14] U-Dag went away, but there used to be title 1 restrictions on that.

[41:18] They've been removed, but when we set that up, it was, we set that up so that voters, they

[41:26] had to go to the voters to suspend any money out of the circle.

[41:30] The way this one set up, we probably wouldn't have that opportunity.

[41:34] The way it is right now that we don't.

[41:36] What's correct? I think good. I mean, I don't think that any of us are looking to, but I think it gives us flexibility of things come up. That is a

[41:45] And that if the select board maintains

[41:48] Control of it, that you know, we can, if there's an emergency sewer situation or a water situation, we can have it.

[41:55] But we have

[41:57] How many capital accounts? I mean, there's there's a lot.

[42:00] You do. I mean, but they're usually dedicated, right? Sorry. The highway one. We have police equipment, fire equipment.

[42:08] I think we should. I mean, I don't it doesn't it if it costs us 25 dollars a year and count these. So have it open like it's worth it. Just to keep it.

[42:16] This one should be.

[42:21] Reserve capital reserve account for.

[42:23] In case it works or related, and when I say public works, I mean, water and sewer also.

[42:31] So if it's a total amount of the control of the selectable.

[42:37] All right, but to establish, I could make capital zeros.

[42:39] We need to get the voter approval for that.

[42:42] Then we have to fund it.

[42:44] So usually two questions.

[42:45] Do you want to establish this fund?

[42:47] Do you want to put 500,000 towards it?

[42:50] Can we just title the account and not?

[42:52] We can, that's what we have right now, it's titles, it's an end of, is that what you're

[42:58] ever been saying for us?

[42:59] You're a recommending sky at this point, yes, and then we can, we can make amendments

[43:05] if we need to.

[43:06] And maybe we can talk about it again during the budget scene.

[43:09] Yes, that's it.

[43:10] Yeah.

[43:10] I think it's good that we revisit this because going in the expectation, there wasn't

[43:16] the expectation that there would be this kind of, but in the past, you know, that's

[43:21] that we put like we do on all of the capital accounts for we list them that this would be listed

[43:27] with some title. So that we, so we don't lose it and it wasn't blended like it is right there.

[43:35] As after two years, it doesn't show up on town or poor anymore, right?

[43:40] It's sort of

[43:43] okay. Any thoughts, Kathy?

[43:47] Oh, I thought it seems to me that we were just, you know, changed the name of it. So there's this thing

[43:51] low and say hey.

[43:52] Tma tournament is right.

[43:53] Tma Tma.

[43:58] TMA.

[43:59] TMA.

[44:00] TMA.

[44:01] TMA.

[44:07] TMA.

[44:10] TMA.

[44:11] of the last that to drop the speed limit from 30 miles an hour and 25 miles an hour on three maple

[44:20] be right.

[44:22] The reason for that is there's a lot more people in the neighborhood now, wide away, three

[44:30] maple drive.

[44:33] What's the speed limit on, wide away?

[44:34] And everybody's 25 and Mack Hill on the door society at Manchester's 25 and it's not, and again, it's, it's not that we have a lot of speeders on the road, it's just I feel it 30 miles an hour for people to walk in a small road like that is too fast and then walk live they walk their dogs horses

[45:00] However, and it's, you know, the officers were there a couple of times a day, they'll cruise around. It's not, and it's not really a speeding issue.

[45:11] It's just the speed that it is at as 30 and we haven't down here. I mean, who's seven, we're down to 35 now. And it's a wide, you know, black top row. And I actually say, you know, when I go up and down three maple there's a lot more people walking their dogs and just out.

[45:30] The few forces, there are a lot of people walk up to the force of combat down, but the horse farm on Bear Town Road and walk back to their cars at the, at the pew, pull off there.

[45:43] It's not likely that remapable drive is used as a through path to get from somewhere to somewhere else. I mean, nobody's going to say, well, I'll take, for example, drive to get to door sets, even though you could.

[45:57] I have to have people live on through and able to ask.

[46:04] Do you think generally the people that live there would be in favor of lowering the speed on that?

[46:11] I've had a lot of people that did sign up, but just for it.

[46:21] I don't think the first part of why I like where I am is paved, and it's 25.

[46:27] Yeah, and when I pull up through maple on my on my map, it says 40 too.

[46:36] Some of the dirt roads to say 50 because that's I don't see them in 50.

[46:39] State, you want it on dirt roads to say 50.

[46:42] Unless it's otherwise, but I think when I went up, if you go north shore, when, when hill up there,

[46:53] I think that's 25 as well, some place 25 and goes to 38. I think when you get out farther toward on

[47:00] North Carolina with a line in sir, but when he signs or on there that we'd have to replace

[47:06] I think there's

[47:10] One the I know I push is one at the end of wide awake when you take a left and I think there's one

[47:17] When you're coming down Mackill or coming up Mackill towards

[47:21] three maple is one two. I think there's maybe four four signs. I think I'm

[47:29] trees twenty five actually. I'm thirty twenty five out there, rode up. That's

[47:35] really well with this thirty and it's again it's not like they're going fifty

[47:38] down there but you know thirty is thirty one thirty two thirty three it's not thirty

[47:47] And if I think it was 25, I think it would just help people slow down a bit, bunch.

[47:53] Not to, I thought it was 25, too, but according to Google Maps,

[47:59] Wind Hill is actually 30.

[48:01] But I think Wind Hill is slightly different in its makeup.

[48:06] A lot of liar.

[48:07] Well, if you, there's a 25-month speed limit out there.

[48:11] So I can't remember if it was when you hit north.

[48:12] I think the first part of it, going up the hill off a north road and then it goes to 25, I know there is a 25 because I drove down to the other day, I feel talked to you about that.

[48:23] That's what's over.

[48:25] Sorry, I was heading next. I'm driving the whole road on Google Maps here.

[48:31] But again, I don't think as many people walk up there.

[48:34] I don't know, I mean, I don't know.

[48:35] I've got that much.

[48:36] they don't watch a lot of people. I think most of people part along North Road walk up and down

[48:44] North Road actually.

[48:47] No, there's a lot of deaths. The real trail, they broke the real

[48:51] trail walk down the. I just say, but I do see like wind hill, even as it was 30, wind hill

[49:00] has in much straighter path. It has like, you know, you come through North Road. Like no one turns,

[49:07] like you said, no one turns on the three maple or macrimerat to get to their neck

[49:13] that's a major faster faster, but wind hill, I mean, I've seen that happen, not so much

[49:23] on overload.

[49:24] Yeah, I mean, I will take wind hill to get to other places depending on where I'm going.

[49:32] I used to, if I was taken, vangy to the doors at school, we'd usually take the help.

[49:40] I'm here to see others.

[49:41] Could be used.

[49:42] I would do 25 at the top here.

[49:45] Very good.

[49:45] See?

[49:46] It's not the door.

[49:48] Not the door.

[49:50] It's not.

[49:50] Yeah.

[49:51] I'm not there.

[49:52] Okay.

[49:53] I don't have a strong feeling about it.

[49:56] We're going to do the other.

[49:57] But the people who there should have the ultimate say because I don't think it really

[50:03] affects anybody else.

[50:06] as a travel do we hear it. I think it's very exciting.

[50:10] And at least I see the police chief didn't have any issues.

[50:16] Now the process still last time was that we had to keep one of us.

[50:21] We do. We put it on the next meeting. We'd have a draft.

[50:26] Fordness change. We'd adopt it. And then we have to put a public notice out.

[50:34] We have to have an affected day to 60 days after it's adopted, and then there's, of course, 45 days for a petition to be filed, and we'll become affected that in 60 days, if there's no petition.

[50:49] to a new, probably told us that on Mac, and is a 30 or 25.

[50:59] On on, when it becomes Mac, when it becomes Mac, when it becomes.

[51:03] 25.

[51:04] 25.

[51:05] You're certain.

[51:06] I'll do.

[51:07] The answer to the question.

[51:08] You can go over the 30.

[51:11] And also, when Hill, it appears that, you know,

[51:14] when Hill takes a pretty steep incline up to it.

[51:18] the zucker area. And then when it starts to flatten out is when it drops to 25.

[51:26] You need a little moment.

[51:31] So if we start the process for this, we got a schedule of

[51:36] theory. Yeah. And we can do that next blackboard main if we want to.

[51:45] So what you're saying is

[51:47] We could have hearing our next crap if he's got a look today

[51:57] Can we see in the petition not that I don't believe what's up you have we see the petition. That's been signed by a bunch of people

[52:06] Okay, who the petition you bring out with you?

[52:09] Yeah, but it was it's an older one. I didn't get into the truth spot

[52:13] Okay, people know

[52:16] Oh no man's bad soul

[52:19] I think I'll ever bring a flash for David's filming.

[52:26] Boyd, Bell City, Jimmy Barr.

[52:28] Oh, Jean Barr, you know.

[52:30] Campbell, Campbell,

[52:34] prison, oday, prison cell, vote, paying, billaree, o, lard, that's like, that's like, it'd be mostly private minutes.

[52:49] Yeah. Well, I think it's pretty much all three. I mean, there were so many people on, why do I, I didn't get all those signatures, but, you know, pretty much everybody on, why do I, like,

[52:59] that was, you know, this was from three years.

[53:02] Yes, you know,

[53:06] pretty complete, but it's good, okay, right?

[53:09] And it's, well,

[53:13] we also got them at terms of all of those.

[53:16] Well, again, for years ago, there weren't as, there weren't

[53:19] taking any people up there, so here's a, here's a, there's two house

[53:23] to pass mine now, there's a, a lot more full-time residents up there,

[53:28] too, there's the, it's all, a lot more, you know, second one more, there's a lot

[53:33] people go into the barn too. What's that? A lot of people go into the barn for right.

[53:38] Yeah, you know, that's true. Well, the two barns, you got the new barn at the, at the end

[53:42] there by very kind of, then you've got the, you find, first, you find places where a lot of people

[53:48] go into. Yeah. Yeah. All right, cool. We will, we need a motion to have a hearing at our next

[53:59] I moved to set a, oh gosh, I got it ahead myself on that one. I moved to set a public hearing for the set number 15's to review the speed limit.

[54:14] Proquest speed limit change for remable drive.

[54:20] Okay, so I can a further discussion.

[54:24] I'll take a say.

[54:25] Okay.

[54:27] Did we have to put a time on that?

[54:29] Oh, at seven, at seven, at seven, at seven. Yeah. Yeah.

[54:34] I'm sure we do it correct. I don't see something.

[54:43] Tell me how many of your updates.

[54:46] You'll see that little email. I want to hear about item number C.

[54:51] I don't want to get to the end.

[54:54] Get to the end.

[54:54] Aaron Donner, I'll be.

[54:57] You're running.

[54:58] So the horizon did not appeal within the time.

[55:03] If I would say the proposed location at the Riley Rink, I'll not go forward there, and so that's finalized.

[55:15] I just thought we had to know that.

[55:17] Pretty controversial back when we were dealing with it originally.

[55:21] The Born Brook project, which we've been spending some money on,

[55:29] needs additional work done. I think you have that in your package. It will have a great

[55:37] to move forward and access to the approved budget that you had set aside for this funding.

[55:43] You're not a grant for that, didn't we?

[55:45] We do. Well, I say we've been approved by the state to be submitted to FEMA and now it's

[55:52] team of sales in the state is working with the teamer to get us approved and the state to

[56:01] really excited if this ever happens because there has many done like this throughout the state.

[56:07] So the state's really wants this to exceed and just as a reminder, the project includes the

[56:13] excavation approximately five acres of floodplain with cut depths

[56:17] there in between a flood and seven feet averaging two feet. Removal of an existing

[56:23] berm and a creation of flood sheets within the cut floodplain. That would require of course

[56:29] removal of trees and vegetation and there'll be some bell trees and re-vegetation

[56:38] the native shrubs and grasses. So anyways, we're moving forward with that. I just thought you'd be

[56:44] it should be aware of that. They kind of anticipate this happening anyways.

[56:51] And so we've given the

[56:53] OK and to contract now is at the 145,000. I mean, this is awesome. If this happens and it looks like we're

[57:07] thing

[57:12] that we could do to address flooding in the future, and so allow the water to spread out and not from rushing down,

[57:21] all of us into that, and it should be, it should be a lasting improvement to the flooding situation there.

[57:30] I mean, I understand that it could, there could be sediment over time, it should have a lasting effect.

[57:37] And if it goes well above the budget, we have a chunk of money for buildings that would be involved with it.

[57:52] So, anyway, see.

[57:56] So, there's been a couple of major complaints about barriers in the downtown dumpsters.

[58:02] So it's just, this is a minor for people to try to, try to, they approve the dumpsters.

[58:08] This is, especially important for restaurants and businesses at deal with food,

[58:15] because the, the two that we've had specifically were food related.

[58:19] I know there's been a lot of articles in the paper, the media about the bear population,

[58:26] but now they're getting comfortable in the food source and downtown.

[58:31] Well, my brother just, you know, within the last week sent me a picture that he took

[58:36] of my mother's house, which is right on the end of Mount Beterra, straight in the smack

[58:39] in the middle of town, right next to you, going out to terrace with the motherbearance

[58:44] freecubs, it comes climb the trees, the mother instructed them because my brother went out

[58:50] to take a picture and she made a noise in all three thoughts, ran up a tree and when he left

[58:55] she made another noise and they all came back down and followed her and I said, boy, I wish

[58:58] I've got my kids doing that well and they were little and you're right that they're they're

[59:04] also become kids you know two years ago or three years ago they would come to our house and

[59:09] you just go outside and make a small noise and they would disobey. Now you can walk right up to them

[59:14] and they're they'd look at you like you're nuts. I might be but maple street bears get into their

[59:20] dumps. I was doing middle school day. Yeah it's happening during the day too.

[59:24] You know, I like to see them, but they there's were here before we were and you know,

[59:35] part of the problem is the will in this area, the money's mountain, all there was a huge

[59:42] bare population up there because of the lack of forestry management up there, you can't touch

[59:50] they just let it go. It's all mature for us now. That's not a habitat for bears. They can't

[59:55] survive. So they've come down off the mountain because we have a man.

[1:00:02] That's one of the side effects. The deer have done the same thing. There's not as many deer

[1:00:06] out there as they're used to be. There's no feed bar. It's all matured bar.

[1:00:11] Well, if they know where the food is in town. Yeah, I mean, you ought to go to a restaurant.

[1:00:16] To me, had this, might say, but do we have specifications for what we should be doing with dumpsters

[1:00:22] for companies? Well, when we get complaints, Heidi, especially the food industry, we

[1:00:29] And notify them, and then we tell them, you know, one of the ways to solve the problems

[1:00:33] the bit, I prove, you dumpster, which a lot of these aren't, you know, and so that's

[1:00:40] the next move.

[1:00:42] We have, it's not really enforceable that much, but it becomes a help as it could make

[1:00:48] some, like, is there, can you do that?

[1:00:50] Can you do that?

[1:00:51] Can you do that?

[1:00:52] using Clue that is part of the permit.

[1:00:55] Having a deal with that, I don't know, regular basis.

[1:00:57] Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[1:00:59] What status does this need your adult students,

[1:01:03] but don't substitute you?

[1:01:04] But you're not allowed to do it retroactively

[1:01:06] to existing businesses?

[1:01:09] That.

[1:01:09] It does says that.

[1:01:11] That.

[1:01:12] I mean, such a pain, you know,

[1:01:15] what's a tab to clean about every,

[1:01:17] you see, oh, yeah.

[1:01:18] Right.

[1:01:19] In these business owners, they want.

[1:01:22] the bears to go away. They want to solve the problems. So they're willing to work. You just

[1:01:27] have to get on them a little bit and then they work towards it. Usually.

[1:01:33] Now, the option is selling the bear pick cans. I, uh, worse than this. Get them. And it actually

[1:01:41] worked for the first day. I had it out. It, it's, it there was literally on top of it, didn't do anything.

[1:01:47] And before I talk about financial savings, just to find a line of public that the property taxes are doing this Friday.

[1:01:59] Fourth, it's been a steady stream of taxpayers coming in through the doors this week.

[1:02:07] Most with smiles on their faces. That's good. Not all unrelated to the taxes.

[1:02:14] Yeah, I haven't come in yet.

[1:02:19] So you have a, in your package, the financial savings that have promised you month now.

[1:02:26] This month is not much to talk about only because it's the first month.

[1:02:30] But this will give you an idea of what we're looking at each month.

[1:02:36] And there's three different sections.

[1:02:38] Of course, you get the general fund.

[1:02:40] You've got water and you've got sewer.

[1:02:43] I'll just call you attention briefly to one of them, which is the in the high rate of

[1:02:50] poverty.

[1:02:51] Oh, yeah, a page four, well, I'm on 51st, and next month you'll have a better idea because

[1:02:59] you'll have, you'll have, you'll have two months under it fell, but so the line 1, 51, you'll

[1:03:03] see that's, that's winter sand and salt, right, so there's actually a lot more spent

[1:03:09] than the 86-68 right now, but that was through July 31st,

[1:03:14] but that's a kind of loaded thing.

[1:03:17] So we bulk that up before the winter starts.

[1:03:21] So that'll be percentage-wise, that'll be spent well

[1:03:26] before the end of the year.

[1:03:28] And that's just one of the things that's not just

[1:03:30] a level spending type of budget item.

[1:03:33] Just to be able to open a rate stabilizer,

[1:03:36] these still as difficult this was last year. We were lucky in Jeff had a couple of little

[1:03:44] sources. So we didn't run into problems with that and we just got an email today from

[1:03:49] DLCT about we were one of 30 towns that are eligible to join the state contract.

[1:03:59] And so we're going to look into that next couple of days.

[1:04:04] Last year, we were cheaper than the state contract.

[1:04:08] The sources we had.

[1:04:09] It's directly low sources here.

[1:04:12] Yeah.

[1:04:13] And there's still friendly.

[1:04:14] I believe so.

[1:04:18] Not just rubble over the track.

[1:04:20] Thank you for your answers.

[1:04:21] And so I mean, I also in addition to being the last night, the taxes do is our last feet best.

[1:04:27] I'll hopefully the weather will just fade and walk right when you guys can join us on Main Street.

[1:04:35] I also just wanted to make note that we're going to be having something at the town green on 25th anniversary of 9.11.

[1:04:42] How much?

[1:04:45] Starting at 10 a.m.

[1:04:53] Yeah, there are days, stuff.

[1:04:55] That's it.

[1:04:56] are there any is there any other business here at the table we do have an

[1:05:02] executive session planned regarding contracts and also I'd like to add to

[1:05:10] that personal issue nothing make terrible nothing negative but something that

[1:05:20] to be discussed in executive session.

[1:05:25] So when we have a motion to go into executive session,

[1:05:29] it could actually include those two items

[1:05:31] and it should include scar in the executive session.

[1:05:35] I just think it's a move.

[1:05:38] OK, and the brain is going to go over

[1:05:41] which we've been down, and it's a bit difficult to do that.

[1:05:48] That's what he's got.

[1:05:51] So do we have the motion recorded?

[1:05:54] And this is actually taking.

[1:05:56] Well, I didn't do it.

[1:05:58] Yeah.

[1:05:59] So,

[1:06:04] and you have that covered that is for two, two different items.

[1:06:08] I mean, it's on the contract.

[1:06:10] One meeting.

[1:06:12] First now.

[1:06:12] And that's got to be a group.

[1:06:14] And we don't anticipate to have any.

[1:06:16] I mean, I don't know if there's anything something out of this.

[1:06:20] So, our next regular meeting will be September 50.

[1:06:23] That's seven o'clock.

[1:06:24] We've just added a public hearing to that for a speed limit change.

[1:06:29] And like, like I said, no, no, there will not be any action taken by the sport

[1:06:34] after this exact intersection other than to close the meeting.

[1:06:37] If you're welcome to stay for that.

[1:06:39] Guys and then cycle to happen quickly.

[1:06:41] Guys and then second.

[1:06:44] Both by Jonathan, seconded by second.

[1:06:47] Heidi, all day or say aye.

Manchester Select Board 09.01.26

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