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that yours may be deleted
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>> probably.
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» Good evening. Today is Tuesday,
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September 1st. Please stand for the
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pledge of allegiance.
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>> I aliance to the flag of the United
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States of America and to the republic
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for it stands one nation
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indivisible with liberty and justice for
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all.
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Heather, would you please take role?
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>> Council member Radits
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>> here.
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>> Mayor Prom Smith
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>> here.
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>> Council member Laskkey.
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>> Mayor Sullivan
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>> here.
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>> Council member Kek
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>> here.
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>> Council member Gowski
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>> here.
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>> Council member Ruska
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>> here.
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>> City manager
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>> here.
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>> Community development director.
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>> Police chief
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>> here.
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>> Fire chief
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>> here.
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>> City engineer
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>> here.
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>> Roll call complete.
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>> Thank you. Uh disclosure of conflicts of
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interest. Council member with a conflict
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of interest regarding an agenda item
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should disclose at this time.
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Public hearings, we have none. Citizens
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comment on agenda related items. Any
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citizen with correspondence to be
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distributed to council should provide
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items to city clerk prior to the start
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of the meeting or after the meeting has
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adjourned. Limited to five minutes.
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Anybody on the agenda?
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» Hi, good evening. I'm Karen Mal 5364th
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Street. Um, I've been on the parks
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commission for five years, the last two
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as chair and now vice chair. Our our
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chair couldn't be here tonight, but here
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I am. Um, I just wanted to give a parks
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uh commission perspective on the Duffy
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and Morton lots. I think the prevailing
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winds on the parks commission is that
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yes, the Morton lot, it's kind of
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debatable whether that's it's a
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neighborhood park. It's not as heavily
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used as Duffy and that one is not as
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high a priority. And if we need to delay
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or even maybe eventually eliminate that, would be understandable. But the
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Duffy law, I just wanted to advocate for
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putting that back on the change order.
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Um, I was looking, I'm not an
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accountant, but I'm pretty good with
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numbers. And I was looking, we had 70k
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um, earmarked on the capital
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improvements budget for Duffy and
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another 25 for Morton for the lot. So
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that's 95. Am I right? Um, the low bid I
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think was around 73K. And, um, compared
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to the fire department lot, I think it
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incurred like a 28% engineering fee. I
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applied that to the low bid and that
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still came out just under 95k which if it's accurate we we had 95 and um the
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reason I think that's important on the
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parks commission especially we've been
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talking about safety there because it's
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one thing with the muck and the mud and
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getting pelted in the face with fine
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gravel in the spring soccer months but
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that's a nuisance it's not great but um
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there's kids darting back and forth
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between that west side soccer field and
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the east side soccer
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It'd be great if we could have it paved
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so we could paint a crosswalk, a
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designated safe, you know, path across
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there. In addition, for some reason this
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year, people have started parking for
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those soccer matches. Um, driving their
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cars up on the grass on the west side,
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so their bumpers, their front bumpers
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are, you know, parallel with the u
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bleachers there on both sides. It's not
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real safe. So, we thought that the paved
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lot in addition to I think the DPW might
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have said they had some of I don't know
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the terminology the bumpers I think that
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keep you from driving beyond your
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parking place. I think they might have
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still had some of those um available
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that we could put kind of along
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especially that west lot so that it it'd
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just be safer for kids. So, I just
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wanted to throw that out there. Um I
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also wanted to throw out the Morton
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Park. I know that there was an agreement
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made with Morton Salt that they were
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going to contribute 25K in addition to
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the city's 25k to repave that lot as
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well and I didn't know if that was
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remembered or um I didn't see it
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mentioned on the on the agenda. So
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that's all.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Thanks. Anybody else on agenda?
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>> Okay. Consent agenda. All items marked
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with an aster are considered by the city
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manager to be routine matters. Prior to
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approval, any member of council may have
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an item removed and taken up during
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regular portion of the meeting. Items
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include approval of minutes, cash
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balances, revenue and expenses, balance
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sheet. At this time, council could take
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action to approve the consent agenda as
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presented. Is there a motion?
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>> I'll make that motion.
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>> I'll second that.
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>> She makes the motion. I second it.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Heather, would you please take role?
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>> Council member Radits.
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>> Yes.
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>> Mayor Prom Smith.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council member Laskkey. Yes.
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>> Mayor Sullivan.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council member Kek.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council member Gabowski.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council member Ruska.
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>> Yes.
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>> Motion approved.
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>> Unfinished business. We have new
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business. Introduction of firefighter
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Jane Dika in the fire department update.
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She
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Yes. Uh, good evening, council. Uh, this
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is your update. We have kind of a
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midterm update with the fire department
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with a lot of different things going on.
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Uh, first thing I wanted to go over with
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was the current statistics of the fire
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department. So far, your fire department
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has responded to 830 calls so far this
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year. 568
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of those are EMS type calls representing
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just under 70% of the calls. We have 13
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fire calls for 1.5% of our calls. Then
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249 calls um we categorize those as
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other. Um also all the way over on the
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right hand side we have aid. So those
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are our mutual aid numbers. So far we've
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given aid out to other communities uh 41
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times and received aid 138 times. uh
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that 138 times is a little bit skewed
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right now because that involves um when
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they are doing their reports they're
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checking uh our police department. So
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when our police department comes with us
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on a call that's also um aid. So those
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numbers are a little bit that the police
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department has came and helped us out uh
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98 times. So really when it comes on to
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it mutual aid it's running right around
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50/50. We helped 40 times and they
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helped 40 other times. on the bottom is
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kind of the breakdown of the different
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types of calls that we respond to. Uh
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70% is, you know, our our meta calls and
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we have public service fire calls and
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lots of other different types of things.
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So, respond to a lot of different types
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of calls. Now, we've had a lot going on
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with our fire department. Uh staffing
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has been um a main topic in that and I
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want to show you on the right there that
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is an org chart of how our fire
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department is currently staffed right
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now with the amount of firefighters that
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we have allotted to budgeted for us. So
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our fire department maintains daily
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staffing of two personnel 24 hours a
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day, seven days a week and that and
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that's how we we've maintained that
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staffing um for a very long time and we
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continue to do that today. We recently
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have a new firefighter, firefighter uh
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Jaden Dika in that and Jaden's gonna
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come up and say hi really quick,
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introduce himself. This is Jaden.
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>> Hi everybody. As Chief said, my name is
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Jaden. Um I want to thank each and every
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one of you for the privilege of being a
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firefighter for your city. Um thank you
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very much.
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>> Thank you.
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>> All right. And Jaden's off to a really
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good start. We're happy to have him. We
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also have firefighter Joe Wnak. He's not
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here with us tonight, but he recently
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completed his paramedic school and he's
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looking to take his state test to become
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a licensed paramedic. Uh we promoted
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Captain uh Heath Darling. He's been a
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longtime firefighter. He's actually a
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firefighter who's been with our fire
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department for the longest. He got
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promoted to captain. And we also have
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firefighter Brandon Nelson who is
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recently promoted to the fire marshal
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and he'll be handling those
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responsibilities for us. Those are a lot
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of responsibilities and he's also the
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new union president and Brandon I think
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you want to come up and say hi real
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quick.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh I just want to thank uh
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Mayor Sullivan for stopping by today to
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meet with us. Contrary to social media,
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local 645 is in support of Chief Hearnen
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as well as Bill Gamble on support of the
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regional fire initiative in regards to
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adding full-time staff. Uh we feel your
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city fire department is not a toxic or
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hostile workplace. Thank you.
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>> Thank you.
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Now, they are on duty, so
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they're going to be bailing out right
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now. And that just back to the fire
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station, that's where they have the full
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aotment of vehicle or of cars and stuff.
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So, thanks a lot guys for coming.
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>> All right. And then uh also, so we do
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have two openings, open positions with
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our fire department right now. And I
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currently have two conditional offers
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out to two candidates right now. We're
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going through the rest of the interview
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process where they do background checks,
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psychological devel um and physical
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agility, uh different types of testing.
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So, we do have two conditional offers
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out right now.
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Um, another big topic, hot topic that
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we're all talking about would be the
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Manasty Regional Fire Initiative. And I
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think one of the most important things
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that I'd like council to understand is
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why we are doing this. The reason why
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we're doing this is because the number
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of emergency calls has risen. This has
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been a national trend for a very, very
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long time. We've went back for the past
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20 years in Manaste County and counted
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up all the calls that our county has
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responded to emergency times and they
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are following the national trends of
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increasing by about a third. So call
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volume is increasing. Uh the second
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reason why we're doing this is the pool
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of available responders is decreasing.
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All right, the number of volunteer paid
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per call firefighters has dropped.
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That's another thing that they've been
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tracking since 1984. 1984 there was over
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800,000 firefighters. Today we're down
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around the 600,000. So that is dropping
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by a third. So our call volume has
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increased by a third and um the amount
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of available responders has decreased by
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a third. I was speaking with the fire
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chief just today. Um he tells me about a
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full roster of 25 they had 15 years ago.
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Today they're down to nine. Okay. So
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we're looking to do something different.
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Mutual aid and other fire departments
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are important because we have automatic
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aid agreements. When there isn't a fire,
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we count on all fire departments to come
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and respond to us. The when they have a
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reduced amount, we have a reduced amount
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to use on scene both inside the city and
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outside the city. We all work together
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when it comes to um handling these
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emergencies. And that's why this is
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important.
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The third reason why we're doing this is
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capital equipment costs have increased.
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This has been something uh since the the
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really the pandemic in that that is when
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um apparatus fire trucks have
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skyrocketed through that they've
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increased by 50 to 100%. Uh $500,000
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fire trucks today now cost a million
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dollars. Uh ladder trucks now cost about
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$2 million and it takes about two years
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to get them. And that so those are the
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three main reasons why we're exploring
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this initiative. So, so what is it? So,
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this is actually the Massie Regional
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Fire Initiative. This is a ballot
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initiative to increase fire and EMS
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capacity within Filer Township, Strronic
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Township, and Onka Township. It's a
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ballot initiative. These communities are
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putting out a millage or a ballot
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proposal to raise millages in order to
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raise their funds available to support a
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fire authority. All right. If we create
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a fire authority, we're going to have a budget and a funding formula, and each
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community that participates in it will
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need to contribute a certain amount of
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money. These funds in this ballot
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initiative is designed to raise the
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funds for their contribution for this.
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We do have a public engagement meetings
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scheduled for September 21st in Strronic
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Township. That's going to be from 6:00
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to 8:00.
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Now, and then I think we've all realized
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is Massie Township was originally
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involved in this. You can see in our
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little map and in all of our logos in
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that that they're colored in there.
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Well, they decided to withdraw from this
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conversation from the conversational
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fire authority. And what that really did
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is it changed our website, it changed
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our budget, our changed all of the
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materials that we have to advertise with
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or that we have to communicate this
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idea. So it t took some time to update
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that website, update all our m material
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and really devise a whole new plan. We
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had to come up with the new budget,
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those types of things. And uh that that
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takes some time. That did create um a
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delay, but we are getting things
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scheduled. The uh website is will be
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updated by the end of this week and we
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should be looking good to communicate
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with the public and really show them um
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the needs that the fire service has in
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this community.
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So with this fire authority, this is
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what the city of Manasty gets. It gets
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additional full-time firefighters. Right
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now, we are the only fire station that
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has full-time firefighters occupying
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fire stations. So, we have two two
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firefighters uh really within the entire
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county. What this is going to do is this
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is going to increase it to five
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firefighters today. They won't be
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stationed at our fire station. They'll
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be stationed in Fer. There'll be a few
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stationed in OnCA. But what that's doing
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is that's keeping them available to
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respond to our city immediately when we
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need help. Remember, mutual aid is a big
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part of what we do. So, we do need help
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on occasion and we'll have people there
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available to respond to us immediately.
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The next thing it does is it provides
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replacement apparatus and equipment. So,
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there's a sustainable capital
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improvement plan involved in this
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initiative. So what really what this is
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saying is is this is covering the cost
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of our fire apparatus currently right
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now. Um
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if we were to go out and to get new fire
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apparatus, we would have to go for a
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millillage and a bond and ask for more
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money from the citizens of Manaste to
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purchase fire trucks for this this
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ballot initiative by everyone working
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together reducing some capital cost.
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There is a capital plan involved in this
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and it covers the cost of new fire
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apparatus.
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Also, the shared service administration
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standards, it's really just getting us
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the same training days um working
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together, same equipment and just
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bringing it closer together so it's a
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little bit more seamless when we arrive
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on scene emergencies. It's not much like
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um when there is a fire and we have
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three, four different fire departments
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responding. It can be a little clunky at
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times because we have different
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equipment, different gear, different
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ways we communicate and that bringing an
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organization closer together just helps
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us make it more efficient and run things
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run a little bit more smoothly. Now,
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without this fire authority, uh,
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municipal fire and EMS would continue to
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operate independently with the existing
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staffing levels. We wouldn't be
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addressing any of the staffing concerns
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and constraints on long-term
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sustainability. There is no capital in
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uh improvement plan that involves the
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motor pool. How we buy apparatus here.
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Um with ordinance, we don't uh pay for
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uh ladder trucks or fire engines through
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our motor pool fund. In order for us to
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purchase those vehicles, we would have
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to go for a millillage, a bond to pay
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for those types of apparatus. in that
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currently right now our fire engine is a
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2004
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and our ladder truck is is approaching
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30 years old. So they're both uh right
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there at the replacement age. We we need
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new fire apparatus. So we do have to
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plan for that that
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Oh my gosh, I turned it off.
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» Must be good.
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>> Sorry about that.
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And I think
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» that was the last slide and really
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that's what I have. That's the update
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that I have for you right now regarding
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this and um believe I'm open for
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questions.
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>> Yes.
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>> What determines if we go forward on
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this? Is it the vote by the other
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townships or do the Manasty City people
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get to vote or ask questions? I mean I
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know we have the 21st but what do what's
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the drop dead that this is a move
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forward? So really in order to join the
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authority that's a vote by the council
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to say yes we want to join the authority
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and that so there would be a contract
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articles incorporation and the council
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the different councils or township
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boards would be voted on whether or not
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to um they want to join what's happening
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right now is the um the ballot and the
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initiative and why is that is they are
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looking to raise funds in order to
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support it because they need to really
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increase their fire budget in order to
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uh make this plan work. We do not need
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to increase our budget to make this plan
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work. We're going to we use the existing
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uh budget that we have now. So, we don't
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have anything going to vote right now
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because we're not asking for a
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millillage to support this plan.
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>> How much millage do you know that each
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of the townships are asking? They have
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very low budgets is why I'm asking that
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before. They 288,000 were 1.3 million.
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>> So,
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there is that form. Uh, I believe it's
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under the resources on the website and
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it says millillage details on it with
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that, but it's wrong right now because
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it has Massie Township on it. I spoke
[17:53]
with Mr. Bradford today. He's reworking
[17:55]
the numbers and we hope to have the
[17:57]
brand new one on there by the end of
[17:58]
this week.
[18:01]
» Yes.
[18:02]
>> What was the reason given by Manasty
[18:05]
Township for withdrawing from the
[18:07]
authority?
[18:08]
>> Um, I did not get a reason. I got a
[18:10]
phone call from Mr.
[18:12]
uh told me that, you know, they had a
[18:13]
meeting, they decided to withdraw from
[18:15]
the um the authority. He said he would
[18:18]
follow it up with a letter. Um not sure.
[18:21]
I I didn't receive a letter, but that's
[18:23]
the only communication that I had with
[18:24]
Manacey Township.
[18:26]
>> Okay.
[18:28]
>> What the minimum it' be sustainable for?
[18:31]
Like we have four remaining ones. Have
[18:33]
you like say two of them want it and
[18:35]
then the other two do not? Yeah, we we
[18:38]
do have different budgets in that of
[18:40]
what it would look like in that and
[18:42]
really what it is when we do have those
[18:44]
it would be sustainable with um Stronic,
[18:48]
Filer and um the city and that and we we
[18:52]
have looked at the different models and
[18:54]
really all of them um are sustainable.
[18:57]
What it as far as daily operations the
[19:00]
meat and potatoes is is the capital
[19:02]
improvement in the capital plan. So with
[19:05]
reduced amount of people um in this
[19:08]
contributing it changes the capital plan
[19:11]
not necessarily the operations plan.
[19:15]
Do
[19:15]
>> you have a question Jeff? Well, I guess
[19:18]
the only question I've been you've shown
[19:21]
us at least three times a lot of this
[19:23]
information with different because the
[19:25]
numbers change naturally as people move
[19:27]
in and out and I know there's a certain
[19:31]
group in the city who doesn't agree with
[19:33]
this but I haven't really heard exactly
[19:37]
a solid reason why like you know are
[19:42]
they going to lose their jobs or they
[19:43]
think this community is not going to be
[19:45]
served and So, I'm I don't get it why. I
[19:49]
just don't get it because you're clearly
[19:51]
stated, you know, no no middle age, and
[19:54]
that's one of the rumors I've heard.
[19:55]
There's going to be a millage.
[19:58]
I just I don't get it.
[20:01]
>> I know. I agree.
[20:03]
>> Do you have any insight?
[20:04]
>> That's why I wondered why Manasty
[20:06]
Township what their reasoning was
[20:09]
because we're hearing all negative,
[20:11]
>> right?
[20:12]
>> As you can imagine.
[20:13]
>> Yeah. And I I think what happened with I I don't know why Massie Township
[20:17]
withdrawal really. Um but when that did
[20:20]
what that did do is it slowed our public
[20:23]
engagement down which was originally
[20:25]
scheduled for August
[20:27]
>> which didn't allow us to get our message
[20:29]
out which allowed a different message.
[20:32]
>> Yeah.
[20:32]
>> To to really maybe ruminate a little bit
[20:35]
longer.
[20:35]
>> Yeah.
[20:36]
>> And that and um we we need to get the
[20:39]
website right and get our message out.
[20:41]
Um I feel that this is a and that
[20:44]
>> would be good for people,
[20:46]
>> right? Jim, you said that you had the
[20:50]
there was a similar proposal 13 years
[20:52]
ago or so. Do you have any insight? I
[20:56]
mean, you probably have more experience
[20:58]
than someone like I do.
[20:59]
>> Well, they worked at the whole deal
[21:01]
before.
[21:03]
in your paperwork I read and it says
[21:08]
about
[21:12]
using
[21:13]
the uh axes
[21:18]
now you're saying you going to you're
[21:20]
going to just use what you got. I mean
[21:22]
it doesn't consist same thing you got
[21:26]
here.
[21:26]
>> Can you just show me the front just
[21:28]
>> Well, I'll have to find you. That's what
[21:29]
I'm looking for.
[21:30]
>> Okay. But you're going to have a fire
[21:31]
chief,
[21:33]
deputy fire chief, operations chief,
[21:35]
fire marshal, clerical position. I mean,
[21:38]
we're talking a lot of money here,
[21:41]
>> right?
[21:42]
>> I can't believe that, you know, you're
[21:44]
going to just come in here with with
[21:46]
what we have and say that that's going
[21:49]
to equal out. I don't believe that there
[21:51]
has to be
[21:53]
taxes or something going up. And you
[21:55]
said it before. Yeah. when you talked
[21:57]
that we were going to see a tax
[21:58]
increase.
[22:00]
>> Okay. I think maybe the paper that you
[22:03]
have would have been maybe an original
[22:04]
white paper that I wrote in 2023 to
[22:08]
introduce the concept
[22:09]
>> revised 2026.
[22:12]
>> Okay.
[22:12]
>> I just ran it off.
[22:14]
>> Okay. So that would be the plan that was
[22:16]
just before Manacey Township's
[22:18]
withdrawal. Okay. So that would have
[22:20]
been So that is the plan that was on
[22:23]
there with Manasse Township in it. There
[22:25]
is going to be a revised plan with that
[22:27]
reflects the withdrawal. But with that
[22:29]
plan that you have there with Madison
[22:31]
Township in it in that we did create a
[22:34]
budget that um we feel we've used
[22:36]
conservative budgeting numbers and the the budgeting in the plan did work.
[22:42]
>> So the public just needs to know that at
[22:44]
this point there's no intention of a
[22:46]
millage or tax increase or anything like
[22:49]
that.
[22:49]
>> Not in the city.
[22:51]
>> Okay.
[22:51]
>> In that but the other ones yes they did.
[22:54]
Yeah, they did have to put that out, but
[22:56]
in the city, no.
[22:57]
>> Okay.
[22:58]
>> So, Jim, there's a concern that with
[23:01]
increasing staffing, which is another
[23:04]
concern we've heard from our residents,
[23:06]
is that there is a decrease of staffing
[23:08]
or a decrease of availability of
[23:11]
services. But you have a concern that
[23:13]
with increasing of staffing that that
[23:16]
would be a problem.
[23:17]
>> Well, are you going to pay your deputy
[23:19]
chief? Are you going to pay him 35,000
[23:22]
or are you going to pay him
[23:24]
So seeing seeing how that's broken down
[23:27]
uh with a potential salary for each
[23:30]
potential position would help.
[23:34]
>> I think it is broken down at some point
[23:36]
some documentation I recall has it
[23:39]
broken down.
[23:40]
>> Okay.
[23:40]
>> But I think
[23:43]
>> the additional funds for additional
[23:45]
staff will happen if these millages
[23:47]
pass.
[23:49]
There's no additional funding from the
[23:51]
city for staff because we're all working
[23:54]
together.
[23:56]
We get more staff through the county
[23:59]
based
[24:01]
operating budget in there,
[24:03]
>> right? All budgets are projected, right?
[24:06]
>> Okay. So, there's a there's a staffing
[24:09]
concern that Manis will have too much
[24:12]
staff
[24:14]
for our fire department.
[24:16]
>> Well, I've already talked to some people
[24:18]
county and they said there were four
[24:20]
fire departments that they talked about
[24:22]
having they said there were no way would
[24:24]
they vote for something like that.
[24:26]
>> Okay.
[24:27]
>> Because now you're talking about putting
[24:29]
one man in on one man father. Do you
[24:32]
think that's going to cut the time down
[24:34]
when you have to go on a call?
[24:37]
>> Yeah. Yeah. So having a staffed fire
[24:40]
station right now um firefighters get on
[24:43]
the truck in under a minute. uh as on
[24:46]
the paid per call model that they use.
[24:48]
They respond from they carry pagers or
[24:51]
you an app on your telephone is really
[24:53]
popular now. Once a call comes in, they
[24:56]
respond to the station then um respond
[24:59]
to the call. So what we're doing is
[25:01]
we're reducing drive time to the station
[25:03]
for the paid per call. So we're getting
[25:05]
trucks out the door faster in that. But
[25:08]
one of the thing that I I I want to make
[25:10]
clear is that we still need in uh
[25:13]
volunteer firefighters desperately and
[25:15]
that they provide a very valuable
[25:17]
service and we need them. What it is is
[25:20]
a lot of these medical calls in the
[25:22]
increasing call volumes. There's a
[25:24]
burden on them and they are asked to do
[25:27]
a lot and it's hard to make those types
[25:29]
of time commitments. The ones that we
[25:31]
have are dedicated. We need them dearly
[25:34]
in that and this is a way to help have
[25:37]
some staff available to respond to a
[25:39]
little bit more of the redundant calls
[25:41]
to increase that. We still need the
[25:44]
volunteer response for this plan to
[25:46]
work. We need uh good dedicated
[25:49]
volunteers.
[25:50]
>> You're saying you're going to have 24
[25:51]
people. How many on duty at a time
[25:54]
>> in that? Okay. So the 20 it's it's two
[25:59]
people per station and that and there
[26:02]
was two people in the filer station, two
[26:04]
people in the Manaste station and that
[26:07]
plan that you had there had two people
[26:09]
in the um Manasty Township station and
[26:12]
two people in the OnClima station. So
[26:14]
that was eight people on per day. Three
[26:17]
different shifts is 24 total
[26:20]
firefighters. That was with that plan.
[26:24]
That's where you're losing people
[26:25]
because they can you can't get
[26:28]
volunteers. Now, how are you going to
[26:29]
put those volunteers? Uh when you got
[26:32]
paid people in town, now you're putting
[26:36]
volunteers.
[26:38]
Uh can these guys get off and work? A
[26:41]
lot of them at work all the time.
[26:42]
>> Yeah. So, what we're prescribing is
[26:45]
called uh commonly called a combination
[26:47]
style fire department where there's
[26:49]
combination full-time and combination
[26:51]
volunteer. It is a common model uh
[26:54]
within the United States of having both
[26:57]
a combination style department.
[27:00]
>> Okay. And here you got 16 full-time
[27:03]
firefighters and administration. So that
[27:06]
means you or whoever is in
[27:08]
administration 15 paid encore
[27:10]
firefighters. Then you break it down
[27:12]
here to staffing city man six father six
[27:17]
three shronic none district wide 10.
[27:23]
And council member Gowski just want to
[27:25]
point out that's the old plan. The new
[27:27]
plan is what's stated there where it's
[27:29]
two on at the mast station, two on at
[27:31]
Filer, one on at Stronic. So that's an
[27:34]
obsolete plan and that's what we're
[27:37]
>> printed this off.
[27:39]
>> Yeah.
[27:39]
>> Where's the new one?
[27:40]
>> And I believe I sent that to council
[27:43]
about two weeks ago. I can resend that
[27:46]
and it'll be on the website by the end
[27:47]
of the week as well. So, it's
[27:51]
>> I just don't see it working.
[27:54]
>> Jim, I I thank you for that opinion. Uh,
[27:56]
and I'm wondering if part of the reason
[28:00]
that some people can't see it working is
[28:03]
because that's the responsibility of not
[28:06]
this council of whether the whole thing
[28:08]
is going to work or not. So, I I really
[28:12]
appreciate you giving us uh information
[28:16]
about our citywide operations and the
[28:18]
decisions that need to be made here and
[28:21]
uh the options that we can present to
[28:23]
our neighbors and be the best neighbors
[28:24]
possible. Um I I just don't feel
[28:28]
comfortable skipping way down the road,
[28:29]
especially without something current in
[28:31]
front of me. and I really look forward
[28:33]
to attending on the 21st so that uh
[28:36]
everyone can hear at the same time and
[28:38]
look at the same information and uh if
[28:41]
there's questions or concerns there
[28:44]
they're brought forward with full
[28:45]
transparency. So I really thank you for
[28:48]
this update but I'm going to be honest
[28:50]
I'm looking forward to having the
[28:53]
>> Okay.
[28:54]
>> Well, I'm waiting for that too. And
[28:56]
>> you know what people don't realize these
[28:59]
gentlemen have gone up to Arcadia
[29:03]
>> from so that leaves the city nothing
[29:06]
right now.
[29:08]
>> Arcadia we've been we've been ble I mean
[29:12]
I even ran as when I was on duty in
[29:14]
police but the thing is I didn't leave
[29:16]
the city empty. This is what we're
[29:18]
leaving. This was brought up by Mr.
[29:20]
Bachman years ago.
[29:21]
>> Okay.
[29:22]
>> And that's the
[29:23]
>> same thing.
[29:23]
>> And if I may that's the whole impetus of
[29:25]
this is that council kept asking why we
[29:28]
keep responding out of the city. And the
[29:29]
idea with this working with um Chief
[29:32]
Hearnen was to add capacity to backfill
[29:35]
to have full-time to cover. There are
[29:38]
going to be instances where we have to
[29:39]
do mutual aid, but the idea is to add
[29:42]
full-time capacity so that those people
[29:44]
can stay in the city and respond in the
[29:47]
city. So really, this is kind of a
[29:49]
response to those those questions you
[29:51]
had, Mr. Gowski, about how we're going
[29:53]
to um address this situation with our
[29:56]
firefighters leaving town. It's other
[29:58]
communities chipping in to add full-time
[30:00]
staffing so that our our firefighters
[30:03]
can protect the people in the city,
[30:05]
>> you know, and then then sometimes when
[30:07]
our guys go out, then we got to call in
[30:10]
somebody else. I mean, you know, I
[30:12]
understand you're you're you're talking,
[30:14]
but the thing is then you send somebody
[30:16]
else in here. We have to wait. My
[30:18]
father-in-law was having heart attacks
[30:19]
and we had to wait for Welston to get
[30:21]
here for another 40 minutes. So you
[30:24]
ain't telling me nothing new about
[30:26]
running out in the county and you guys
[30:27]
have been out out in Oxy,
[30:29]
>> right? And with
[30:30]
>> this why I'm concerned about this
[30:33]
>> we're going to be running all over the
[30:34]
place. You're going to have two people
[30:35]
all over.
[30:36]
>> But the problem is when that somebody
[30:39]
gets busy from
[30:42]
>> and somebody else has got to go up and
[30:43]
cover their shift and you got to
[30:44]
somebody else is open. So you still have
[30:47]
it open for you like it or not.
[30:49]
>> Yeah. And I I think that's
[30:50]
representative of the increased call
[30:52]
volume that we're seeing everywhere. And
[30:56]
also one of the things that you mind is,
[30:58]
you know, we we talked about the mutual
[30:59]
aid. We requested aid 40 times into our
[31:04]
city. And out of that 40 times, eight 70
[31:06]
to 80% of those times it's medical calls
[31:09]
that we're requesting aid in for. So
[31:12]
that's roughly averaging about once a
[31:14]
week we're asking for an ambulance to
[31:16]
come in and take care of our residents.
[31:18]
That's because our our current ambulance
[31:20]
is busy right now. So, one resident is
[31:24]
receiving service from our ambulance and
[31:26]
the next resident isn't. It's receiving
[31:28]
from a a private ambulance. When they
[31:31]
receive a service from the private
[31:33]
ambulance, they're getting a bill for
[31:34]
it. And that so we have one resident
[31:37]
receiving a bill, one resident not. By
[31:40]
creating this authority and having
[31:41]
additional ambulances available,
[31:43]
there'll be authority ambulances. So,
[31:45]
there won't be a bill. they will be uh
[31:48]
built the same.
[31:49]
>> So you're saying that if if the people
[31:51]
from the city have to call an ambulance,
[31:53]
no matter where they're coming from,
[31:55]
they aren't going to get built.
[31:56]
>> If it's an authority ambulance, they're
[31:58]
operating the same way we operate in the
[32:01]
city.
[32:02]
>> I want to I want to put that down in red
[32:05]
because that's a lot of people concerned
[32:08]
about that.
[32:08]
>> Yeah. Yeah. Put that red.
[32:12]
>> Well, I'll wait till the 21st. I have no
[32:14]
more questions.
[32:15]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[32:16]
>> Thanks, Chief.
[32:19]
» Consideration of local revenue sharing
[32:21]
board grant applications. Local revenue
[32:23]
sharing board LRSB distributes 2% money
[32:26]
from the Little River Casino. The
[32:27]
deadline for the 2026 cycle 2
[32:29]
applications is Friday, September 11th,
[32:32]
2026 by 5:00 p.m. City staff have
[32:34]
prepared two grant applications for
[32:36]
submission to the local revenue sharing
[32:37]
board. This agenda item will include two
[32:39]
separate motions, one for each grant
[32:41]
application.
[32:43]
First one is at this time council will
[32:44]
take action to authorize a submission of
[32:46]
a grant application to the local revenue
[32:48]
sharing board for the fire district in
[32:50]
the amount of $4,990
[32:52]
for video laroscopes. This is a mot. Is
[32:55]
there a motion?
[32:58]
>> Motion support.
[33:01]
Any discussion?
[33:04]
Would you please take a vote?
[33:06]
>> Council member Radits.
[33:07]
>> Yes.
[33:08]
>> Mayor Prom Smith.
[33:09]
>> Yes.
[33:10]
>> Council member Laskkey.
[33:11]
>> Yes. Mayor Sullivan,
[33:12]
>> yes.
[33:13]
>> Council member Kek,
[33:14]
>> yes.
[33:15]
>> Council member Gabowski,
[33:16]
>> yes.
[33:16]
>> Council member Ruska,
[33:18]
>> yes.
[33:18]
>> Motion approved.
[33:26]
» I just wrote all over mine. I can't read
[33:28]
it. Okay. At this time, council take
[33:29]
action to authorize the submission of a
[33:31]
grant application to the local revenue
[33:33]
sharing board for the police department
[33:34]
in the amount of $28,69041
[33:38]
for the beach warning lights. Is there a
[33:40]
motion? Thank you.
[33:42]
>> I'll make a motion again.
[33:44]
>> Is there a second?
[33:45]
>> I'll second.
[33:47]
>> Any discussion?
[33:48]
>> I just have one question. If we don't
[33:51]
get this revenue sharing grant, what's
[33:53]
your plan B?
[33:55]
>> We're going to have to work in the
[33:56]
budget for a capital improvement
[33:57]
project. Something that expensive.
[34:01]
>> Yeah,
[34:01]
>> there are some other grants out there
[34:04]
working with the Coast Guard the last
[34:06]
three years. I don't know if I can
[34:07]
wiggle I shouldn't say wig. they don't
[34:09]
know this would qualify for a port
[34:11]
security grant based on my conversations
[34:13]
with them. So it's either explore
[34:16]
alternative funding sources or put the
[34:19]
capital improvement plan or combination
[34:21]
of both. So this this this these grant
[34:25]
funds if they're awarded gives us five
[34:27]
years sustainability and a 10-year
[34:29]
warranty for lights which is the most
[34:30]
expensive thing.
[34:32]
>> Josh, are these taking the the waste of
[34:34]
those lights that are on the buildings?
[34:36]
>> These are going to replace those. So,
[34:38]
what this includes is we have four
[34:40]
lights, right? Two in each building and
[34:42]
brand new lights which come with a
[34:45]
10-year warranty. There's improvements
[34:47]
to the lights. I talked to the engineer.
[34:49]
I can't regurgitate all the
[34:50]
improvements, but they're more visible
[34:53]
um different lighting system, but
[34:55]
reality is if we can get this these
[34:58]
funds, it's five years of maintenance
[35:00]
parts and then 10 year warranties for
[35:02]
the lights. Lights are the most
[35:03]
expensive. The lights are about five
[35:05]
grand a piece. And so we're getting into
[35:08]
I think we bought these in 21 or 22.
[35:10]
We're getting to the end of their
[35:11]
original life cycle, which is five
[35:13]
years. These new lights, their life
[35:15]
cycle is 10 years. So we're trying to
[35:17]
look down the road and find a way to
[35:18]
sustain this long term.
[35:20]
>> Now, where are you going to put these
[35:21]
lights?
[35:22]
>> Well, council member, last category, my
[35:25]
intent is to put them where they
[35:26]
currently are, replacing those, but I'd
[35:28]
like to listen to the park's opinion on
[35:30]
if there's a better place on the
[35:31]
building, they're more visible.
[35:32]
>> Yeah. Those lights I'm very I mean, a
[35:34]
lot of people tell me they don't even
[35:35]
see them. Yeah. So here, so that's a
[35:37]
great point. So these were
[35:39]
state-ofthe-art four years ago, right?
[35:41]
>> Yeah.
[35:42]
>> They're LED, which are very visible from
[35:45]
here, but as you deviate x%, whatever it
[35:48]
is, LED is not so visible. So these
[35:51]
lights, the new and improved lights are
[35:52]
more visible from a higher degree of
[35:55]
whatever. Does that make sense? I'm not
[35:57]
doing a great job there. But so our our
[35:59]
beach lights while we end up buying two
[36:01]
for building is from a long way away. As
[36:03]
long as you're at that cone, very
[36:05]
visible. Kids can see them from the
[36:07]
period, we can see them. But when you
[36:09]
get too far sideways, they aren't as
[36:11]
visible. These new lights are more
[36:13]
visible. A wider cone, I would call it.
[36:16]
>> Is it possible to put them on a roof?
[36:20]
>> I think anything's possible. I don't
[36:22]
know how visible those would be.
[36:24]
>> Yeah.
[36:24]
>> So
[36:25]
>> because I told you when we was up last
[36:27]
time. I said people don't see them.
[36:29]
>> Yeah,
[36:30]
>> that's about time we move them.
[36:32]
>> So, if council approves this grant
[36:34]
application and then if we get award the
[36:36]
grant funds, I think in that time go to
[36:39]
the parks, get some input where we've
[36:41]
had these lights for four years, are
[36:43]
they okay where they're at? Are there a
[36:45]
better place for them? We can always
[36:46]
review those things.
[36:49]
>> I wish both of the applicants luck.
[36:53]
>> Thanks, Chief.
[36:54]
>> Thank you.
[36:54]
>> Anybody else? Heather, would you please
[36:56]
take role?
[36:57]
>> Council member Resga,
[36:58]
>> yes.
[36:59]
>> Council member Gowski,
[37:00]
>> yes.
[37:01]
>> Council member Kek,
[37:02]
>> yes.
[37:03]
>> Mayor Sullivan,
[37:04]
>> yes.
[37:04]
>> Council member Laskkey,
[37:06]
>> yes.
[37:06]
>> Mayor Prom Smith,
[37:07]
>> yes.
[37:08]
>> Council member Radits,
[37:09]
>> yes.
[37:10]
>> Motion approved.
[37:11]
>> Thank you. Consideration of authorizing
[37:12]
a contract and a change order number one
[37:14]
with Mullen Construction for the fire
[37:16]
station site improvements. Several
[37:18]
parking lot several parking lot and site
[37:20]
improvement projects were recently bid
[37:21]
out uh including Duffy Parking lot,
[37:24]
Morton Parking lot and fire station site
[37:28]
improvements. The city received two bids
[37:29]
for the project. Only the fire station
[37:31]
site improvements were within the city's
[37:33]
budget and reasonably aligned with the
[37:35]
engineers estimate. Therefore, the staff
[37:37]
recommends proceeding with the fire
[37:39]
station site improvement at this time
[37:41]
while evaluating value value engineering
[37:43]
options for the two parking lot projects
[37:46]
or alternately they may be rebid at a
[37:48]
later date. At this time, council could
[37:50]
authorize contract with Mullen
[37:52]
Construction, Inc. for the fire station
[37:54]
site improvement and proof change order
[37:56]
number one to remove the parking lot
[37:58]
work from the contract. Is there a
[38:00]
motion?
[38:04]
No motion. Okay. Moving
[38:08]
on. Consideration of appointing police
[38:09]
chief
[38:11]
Josh Glass as harbor master. City
[38:13]
ordinance requires city council to
[38:15]
appoint a harbor master. The city
[38:17]
manager recommends appointing police
[38:18]
chief Josh Glass. At this time, council
[38:20]
take action to appoint police chief Josh
[38:23]
Glass as harbor master. Is there a
[38:24]
motion?
[38:25]
>> I'll make that motion.
[38:27]
>> I'll second.
[38:28]
>> Any discussion?
[38:30]
>> You want it again, Josh?
[38:34]
>> You want it again? I haven't had it uh
[38:36]
initially but just talking to other
[38:38]
police chiefs come full circle
[38:41]
chief hornleold chief cold and house back uh if you
[38:47]
graciously appoint this to me chief
[38:49]
glass
[38:49]
>> chief
[38:50]
>> I am willing and honored to accept the
[38:52]
additional responsibility to serve the
[38:53]
community
[38:55]
>> thank you chief thanks would you please
[38:57]
take role
[38:58]
>> council member Ratitz
[38:59]
>> yes
[39:00]
>> mayor prom Smith
[39:01]
>> yes
[39:02]
>> council member Laski
[39:03]
>> yes
[39:03]
>> mayor Sullivan Yes.
[39:05]
>> Council member Kek.
[39:06]
>> Yes.
[39:06]
>> Council member Gowski.
[39:08]
>> Yes.
[39:08]
>> Council member Ruska.
[39:09]
>> Yes.
[39:09]
>> Motion approved.
[39:11]
>> And now we will have a report on the
[39:13]
Mast County Historical Museum and
[39:15]
Historic District Commission. Mr. Mark
[39:17]
Feder.
[39:24]
» All right. Uh hi everyone. I'm back
[39:26]
again for another year uh to talk about
[39:28]
the thrilling and exciting world of
[39:30]
local history. Uh happy to be here as
[39:33]
always. uh talking very briefly about
[39:35]
the historic district commission as well
[39:36]
as what we do, what we've been up to at
[39:38]
the museum within the last year. Uh so
[39:40]
getting started uh with the historic
[39:42]
district commission uh uh in terms of
[39:44]
the museum uh we work with potential
[39:46]
building owners, business owners, uh
[39:48]
planning and zoning department, uh
[39:50]
environmental specialists on researching
[39:52]
various aspects of historic buildings
[39:54]
here within the city um and within the
[39:57]
historic district itself. Um this
[39:59]
includes, you know, when was your proper
[40:01]
or when was the building built? uh you
[40:03]
know, who built it, who occupied it, uh
[40:05]
what's the history of the property, what
[40:06]
was on there before, was there a fire
[40:08]
there, uh was there something underneath
[40:10]
it potentially? Um and so we use a lot
[40:13]
of different aspect, a lot of different
[40:14]
sources to attempt to find this
[40:16]
information. Uh building abstracts,
[40:18]
newspapers, city directories, maps,
[40:20]
aerial views, uh photos, phone books,
[40:23]
etc., etc., scrapbooks, uh whatever we
[40:26]
can find, uh that will help us answer
[40:28]
those questions. Uh sometimes it takes a
[40:30]
couple hours, sometimes it takes a
[40:32]
couple days, and sometimes it takes a
[40:34]
couple of weeks to try to hunt all this
[40:35]
stuff down. Uh so, uh it can be a lot of
[40:38]
fun, and it can be very frustrating. Um
[40:40]
uh uh in the same in the same breath, um
[40:42]
a couple I'm not going to go over all of
[40:44]
the uh all of the certificates of
[40:46]
appropriateness that the historic
[40:48]
district commission um uh uh approved
[40:51]
over the last year. Uh altogether, I
[40:53]
believe it was 17 certificates of
[40:55]
appropriateness. Uh this is roughly
[40:57]
average uh for what the the HDC does. Um
[41:00]
a couple of the pro couple of the
[41:02]
buildings that uh the the HD HDC spent a
[41:05]
lot of time on and a lot of discussion
[41:07]
on as well as um uh some of the uh time
[41:10]
that uh the museum spent on uh were um
[41:13]
this building here at 385 River Street.
[41:15]
The piping clover uh that uh frontage
[41:18]
was put on in the 1960s. uh they've
[41:21]
taken that off and I think anybody who's
[41:22]
driven by that or walked by that of
[41:24]
recently uh they've done a really great
[41:25]
job of it and uh uh really happy to see
[41:28]
that they've put a lot of TLC into their
[41:30]
building. It looks terrific. Um uh of
[41:33]
course uh uh the HDC has had a lot of
[41:35]
discussion on uh this building, the
[41:37]
Hotel Northern over the last couple
[41:39]
years. Uh it continued on to this year.
[41:42]
Um and at the museum we recently
[41:44]
approved some paint colors that will go
[41:46]
along with it. Again, I think anybody
[41:47]
who's driven by this building has gone,
[41:49]
"Holy cow, this really looks great." Um,
[41:51]
uh, uh, in all of our combined, well,
[41:54]
maybe not combined, but all of our
[41:56]
lifetimes um uh has always looked a
[41:59]
little a little odd. Uh, but, uh,
[42:01]
they've done a phenomenal job with it.
[42:03]
And that cool, um, Hotel Northern
[42:06]
painted, um, mural or not mural, but
[42:08]
sign there on the side of the building
[42:10]
is still there today. Um, and is still
[42:12]
exposed. And just kind of one of those
[42:14]
cool things for anybody who's nostalgic
[42:16]
about this sign. Um it is currently on
[42:19]
display at the museum. So if you want to
[42:21]
come by and pay homage to it or genulect
[42:23]
um by it, you are more than welcome to.
[42:25]
Um several a couple years ago they asked
[42:28]
if we wanted this sign. And of course uh
[42:31]
perspective plays a role. Uh not to me.
[42:34]
Uh but I was standing on the street and
[42:35]
they said, "You want the sign?" And I
[42:37]
said, "Yes." And then when they showed
[42:38]
up, uh city workers showed up uh uh this
[42:41]
March to drop it off. Um, my mouth fell
[42:43]
to the ground and where am I gonna put
[42:45]
this thing? Um, there it sits right now
[42:47]
at the museum. It'll probably be there
[42:48]
till the end of the year. So, come on by
[42:50]
and and pay homage to it. Uh,
[42:52]
regardless, uh, uh, uh, the the HDC
[42:55]
spent a lot of time um, uh, figuring
[42:57]
this uh, building out and all the
[42:58]
specifics and, um, again, it looks
[43:01]
really great. I also spent a lot of time
[43:04]
uh with a new building owner here at 348
[43:06]
River Street earlier this year, wanting
[43:07]
to know all about the history of that
[43:09]
building, what used to be uh what it
[43:11]
used to be when it was built. Again,
[43:13]
photographs of it. Um also spent a
[43:16]
couple days researching all that
[43:17]
information for them. Um hopefully uh in
[43:20]
the near future there'll be um some
[43:21]
activity there. Um uh as well as this
[43:24]
building at 340 River Street, the new
[43:25]
occupants, the new owners of it. Uh we
[43:28]
spent a lot of time uh between uh uh HTC
[43:31]
planning and zoning museum researching
[43:33]
the building and and uh going over their
[43:35]
plans for it. Um again um uh um with the
[43:39]
HTC, you know, there's, you know,
[43:40]
signage and paint colors and ex all the
[43:43]
exterior work and doors and windows and
[43:45]
all that really great fun stuff um uh
[43:48]
that uh the HDC kind of pours over and
[43:51]
several dedicated members to that uh
[43:53]
that want to see um that history
[43:55]
continue on. um uh it's unique and it's
[43:58]
special to the community. Um so we all
[44:00]
kind of want to see it um continue on
[44:02]
over the years. So a lot of time, a lot
[44:03]
of energy, a lot of discussion goes into
[44:05]
it. Um and and poor Jerry over there uh has to hear all of it. So um uh but
[44:11]
anywh who um uh we're very happy to
[44:14]
continue on with our relationship with
[44:15]
the HDC. So uh in terms of the museum,
[44:19]
from August 2025 uh to this July, we had
[44:22]
159 visitors. Uh that's a a little bit
[44:25]
more than average about 30 or 40 more
[44:27]
than average. Um uh which is great uh to
[44:29]
have all that activity down there. Uh we
[44:31]
had 49 researchers over over that time
[44:34]
period. That's about average. Uh these
[44:36]
are people coming from uh nobody from
[44:38]
around the world this year. Uh but
[44:40]
people coming within the United States
[44:42]
to come to Manaste to come to the museum
[44:44]
to do this research. I had people uh
[44:46]
earlier this year as as far away as
[44:48]
Seattle and Southern California uh to
[44:50]
spend a couple days here and we get I
[44:52]
get to know them and get to know their
[44:54]
families and get to know their stories.
[44:55]
So that's kind of one of the fun aspects
[44:56]
that we do in terms of genealogy. Uh
[44:59]
have had uh a really interesting
[45:00]
increase. I've been with the museum for
[45:02]
almost 20 years. Um and and in all my
[45:05]
years there um it seems to be an
[45:06]
increase of new property owners, new
[45:08]
building owners that bought a house in
[45:10]
Manacey and and want to know the history
[45:12]
of it. Um uh so there's been a
[45:14]
significant increase in that which is
[45:15]
really great to see. Um people want to
[45:17]
know the history of it and want to know
[45:18]
if somebody died there um have a seance
[45:21]
or whatever they want to do with it. Um
[45:23]
but regardless uh it's always fun to
[45:25]
meet those people and get to know them a
[45:27]
little bit and get to know those
[45:28]
properties. I in turn learned something
[45:30]
as well as they do. Uh so um always a
[45:33]
lot of fun to to delve into all that
[45:35]
research aspect of it. Uh couple of the
[45:37]
community projects that we've been up to
[45:39]
over the last year. Uh back in January,
[45:42]
uh we got the great news that Manasty
[45:44]
Fire Station was put on the National
[45:45]
Register. Uh several years, uh a couple
[45:48]
years ago, uh Chief H. Hearnden, uh
[45:50]
former Manasty Firefighter Fred La Point
[45:52]
and Sarah Herburgger from the Manasty
[45:53]
County Foundation, uh kind of met and
[45:56]
decided to pursue this venture. And uh
[45:58]
we're we're really pleased that uh we
[46:00]
got put on the National Register. And
[46:02]
that means a lot for the uh for the
[46:04]
building and I think for the community.
[46:05]
The building looks really great, too. Um
[46:08]
uh we uh did the uh uh we did a lot of
[46:10]
the information and the photographs for
[46:12]
the first phase of the new history based
[46:14]
signage on the Riverwalk in River Street
[46:16]
uh that was installed uh late last year.
[46:20]
Hope to continue on with that um as time
[46:22]
goes on, but it looks it's it's got all
[46:24]
the cool historical information and the
[46:26]
cool historic photo. Uh and it's got
[46:28]
kind of a modern vibe to it and it's I
[46:30]
think it looks really great and I'm
[46:31]
really excited about that. Uh for
[46:32]
several years we uh toiled away on the
[46:35]
uh mapped the Manary public schools uh generations project. Um we finally
[46:40]
decided what to do with that old bell
[46:41]
that was sitting outside the waterworks
[46:42]
building uh for almost 70 years and
[46:45]
there it sits outside the the Manasty
[46:46]
Elementary building now. Um so that was
[46:48]
a really fun project and took a long
[46:50]
time but uh very pleased with that as
[46:52]
well. Uh we've been um having a lot of
[46:55]
conversation uh from from the museum
[46:57]
side of things uh with the Smith family
[46:59]
at uh 99 Pine Street. Last year it was
[47:02]
put on the the house was put on the
[47:03]
state register. Uh we've continued that
[47:06]
conversation with them. Um they have
[47:09]
some very um ambitious but very uh
[47:12]
interesting and kind of very cool plans
[47:14]
for the property and if that becomes a
[47:17]
reality at some point down the road that
[47:20]
would be a very significant attraction
[47:21]
for for the city. Um uh so we've been
[47:23]
continuing that conversation what kind
[47:25]
of role the museum can play um uh with
[47:28]
developing that. Um uh and it's it's
[47:30]
really been a lot of fun um chatting
[47:32]
with them. So hopefully that'll be a
[47:34]
thing in in the not too distant future.
[47:36]
Um uh we've uh done a lot of the um uh
[47:40]
photographs and been involved in some of
[47:42]
the design work and um uh the historical
[47:45]
information for the uh uh journeys
[47:48]
project. Uh I think Sammy from the
[47:50]
visitor center has spoken with you about
[47:52]
that or spoken with some of the
[47:53]
commissions about it. um that'll be kind
[47:55]
of history based or portions of it will
[47:57]
and so we provide a lot of information
[47:59]
for that continue to do so and have kind
[48:01]
of h a hand in that work. Um we also
[48:04]
were uh involved in the Manasty Chamber
[48:06]
Leadership Program for History Day. We
[48:09]
toured the museum and did a trolley tour
[48:11]
and and a walking tour and all that
[48:13]
great stuff. Um now it's always a lot of
[48:15]
fun to to to get involved with a lot of
[48:16]
those people who don't know of the cool
[48:18]
history aspects of Manaste. Um we were
[48:20]
involved uh at the big lighthouse
[48:22]
dedication here on Memorial Day. Um and
[48:24]
of course the museum uh are the former
[48:26]
managers of the um lighthouse and we
[48:29]
were very uh happy and more ways than
[48:32]
one to kind of hand that off to lakes
[48:33]
shoreke keepers. Uh I don't know if all
[48:35]
of you have gone up there but it's it's really cool and it's they've
[48:38]
had a great um ad uh visitorship over
[48:41]
the last several months and uh we're
[48:44]
very happy to play a a a role in in kind
[48:46]
of handing that off. Um very pleased
[48:49]
with that. They've done a great job out
[48:50]
there. Um uh and we've also been
[48:52]
involved in a couple bus tours. People
[48:54]
of course uh on the big uh Greyhound
[48:56]
buses come in and do a tour of Manasty
[48:58]
and it's always kind of fun to see
[48:59]
people working in their yards on Cedar
[49:01]
Street and all of a sudden this big bus
[49:02]
is in front and and I'm uh uh talk
[49:05]
yelling about history to all these
[49:06]
people on this bus. Um uh anyways uh did
[49:09]
a couple of those uh over the last year
[49:11]
or so. Um always a lot of fun. Oh, I
[49:15]
kind of overshot that a little bit. Uh
[49:17]
did several lectures throughout the
[49:18]
year. These are some of the these are at
[49:20]
least four of them that we did. Uh we
[49:22]
talked to the parks commission about the
[49:23]
history of Reeds Park. We had a fun
[49:25]
night kind of hashing that out and who
[49:27]
Mr. Reach was and how Re Park became a
[49:29]
thing. Uh uh I gave that talk again at
[49:32]
this at the Wagner Center back in July.
[49:34]
Um I did a a program with the near and
[49:37]
far friends in OnCA and I've done
[49:39]
several programs with the Many County
[49:40]
Library. Um some of their summer reading
[49:42]
programs as well as kind of a Halloween
[49:45]
walk through the museum. Um uh in 1976,
[49:49]
my predecessor, Steve Harold, began a
[49:51]
weekly history column with the Manasty
[49:53]
News Advocate. He always told me that was the one of the most important
[49:57]
ways to get the community at large
[49:59]
involved or interested in local history.
[50:01]
50 years later, uh I continued uh that
[50:04]
tradition and that's roughly over 2500
[50:07]
uh articles of Many history that have
[50:09]
been public published uh within 50
[50:11]
years. Um, so that's always a fun thing
[50:14]
to do and to try to come up with that
[50:16]
article on a on a weekly basis. Um, uh,
[50:19]
to continue on with that, I do the daily
[50:21]
looking back column uh, in the news
[50:23]
advocate, everything that happened in
[50:24]
Manaste 20, 40, 60, 80 years ago. Um,
[50:27]
and again, a way to engage the public
[50:30]
um, uh, in local history.
[50:33]
Um, uh, in terms of the future at the
[50:34]
museum, we are continuing our work with
[50:36]
Hopkins Burns Design Studio out of Ann
[50:38]
Arbor. uh they done they did uh the
[50:40]
preservation study of the building and
[50:42]
we're almost to the end of that phase
[50:44]
out master plan. Uh after that the fund
[50:47]
starts uh we're with grants and funding
[50:49]
and so on and so forth uh to help
[50:51]
preserve the building uh to update it uh
[50:53]
in certain in certain parts um and to
[50:55]
kind of keep that uh keep that uh keep
[50:58]
that building down there alive. Uh it's
[51:00]
very unique and very special especially
[51:01]
the visitors who come in um and so we
[51:03]
hope to continue on um um doing that in
[51:06]
the future and this will be a part of
[51:07]
it. So hopefully by the end of the year
[51:09]
we'll have we'll have that master plan
[51:11]
uh all all done. Uh I rambled through
[51:15]
that pretty quick. Are there any
[51:16]
questions uh you have for me uh uh in
[51:18]
regards to the historic district
[51:20]
commission or in regards to the museum?
[51:23]
>> Well, I think you do a good job. I think
[51:25]
>> I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you.
[51:27]
>> And I mean you've helped us out helped
[51:29]
me out a lot.
[51:30]
>> Happy to do it. Yeah.
[51:32]
>> Talk he gives for the parks. We started
[51:33]
and it's an annual talk. you have been
[51:35]
to it, you are missing a treasure. It's
[51:37]
not only historically accurate, it's
[51:40]
very entertaining.
[51:40]
>> Oh, well, thank you. Yeah,
[51:41]
>> it's history entertaining.
[51:43]
>> Yeah, I I I try I sat through a lot of
[51:45]
uh uh adult dull uh college lectures, so
[51:48]
I try to throw a little fun into it or
[51:50]
at least attempt to. Anyways,
[51:52]
>> I really appreciate the looking back.
[51:54]
>> Yeah.
[51:55]
>> No, I ages to my She can look at those.
[52:00]
But you had a picture of my mother as a
[52:02]
cheerleader.
[52:03]
>> Oh. grand kids were very impressed.
[52:05]
>> Oh, that's great. That's great. Great.
[52:07]
That's always a lot of fun. You wouldn't
[52:09]
be the first person to mention that to
[52:10]
something similar to that to me, but
[52:12]
that's always fun to kind of bring that
[52:14]
out.
[52:14]
>> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
[52:15]
>> And that's hard to write an article week
[52:16]
after week consistently to find new
[52:18]
topics, make it interesting, and to make
[52:21]
it lengthy and cover it all and done.
[52:23]
Good job. You have continued it.
[52:24]
>> Appreciate that. Thank you very much.
[52:26]
>> Great. Thank you so much every
[52:28]
appreciate it.
[52:29]
>> Thank you.
[52:30]
>> Citizens comment. This an opportunity
[52:31]
for citizens in attendance to comment on
[52:33]
municipal services activities or areas
[52:34]
of city involvement limited to five
[52:36]
minutes. Letter submitted to council
[52:38]
will not be publicly
[52:46]
council. My name is Jordan La Point.
[52:48]
Mayor and members of city council. I'm
[52:50]
standing before you tonight because I
[52:51]
feel that for far too long only one side
[52:53]
of the story has been heard. The issues
[52:55]
within the Manasty Fire Department did
[52:57]
not begin with recent resignations, and
[52:58]
they did not begin with a small group of
[53:00]
agitators. They began much earlier. In
[53:03]
July of 2025, the union was finally
[53:05]
looped in on the fire district proposal.
[53:07]
The next day, the fire chief and city
[53:08]
manager attempted to reprimand using
[53:10]
Union President, Captain Brent Haskin
[53:12]
for word spoken during that protected
[53:13]
meeting. Around the same time,
[53:15]
disparaging remarks were made by those
[53:17]
involved at city hall about the
[53:19]
volunteer firefighters in our
[53:20]
surrounding communities. firefighters
[53:22]
who are our neighbors, our friends, and
[53:24]
the very people we depend on in mutual
[53:26]
aid. Then, in the fall of 2025, Captain
[53:29]
Chris Jeff was written up by the fire
[53:30]
chief for allegedly falsifying training
[53:32]
records. Yet, on those very records,
[53:34]
next to Captain Jeff name, it clearly
[53:36]
stated that he did not attend. The
[53:38]
reason, his grandfather was actively
[53:40]
dying, the man who was his father figure
[53:42]
in his life. Despite that, Captain Jeff
[53:44]
was accused of falsifying records and
[53:46]
was called a liar. In February of 2026,
[53:49]
both myself and the union attempted
[53:50]
twice to sit down with the mayor and
[53:52]
simply have our side of the story heard.
[53:54]
Those requests were adamantly refused.
[53:56]
In March, the fire chief walked into
[53:58]
city hall smiling as he fired Captain
[54:00]
Brett Haskin, a 15-year captain who
[54:02]
dedicated a decade and a half to this
[54:03]
community and its citizens. The same
[54:05]
month, the union made a protected social
[54:07]
media post drawing attention to what we
[54:09]
believed was a hostile and toxic work
[54:11]
environment created by the fire chief
[54:12]
and city leadership. That was the final
[54:14]
straw that led to additional federal
[54:16]
unfair labor practice lawsuits being
[54:17]
filed. Then comes July of 2026. The city
[54:20]
settled the federal unfair labor
[54:22]
practice outside of court. Captain
[54:24]
Haskin was paid 200% of his lost wages
[54:26]
rather than returning to his position.
[54:27]
Captain Jeffrey's discipline for
[54:29]
supposedly falsifying records and lying
[54:31]
was completely erased and I was given
[54:33]
back two of the four days of unpaid
[54:35]
suspension received over the protected
[54:36]
union Facebook post. Those outcomes
[54:38]
should have caused everyone in this room
[54:40]
to ask an important question. Maybe the
[54:42]
firefighters were actually telling the
[54:43]
truth. Captain Jeff had also met
[54:46]
separately with city manager Bill Gamble
[54:47]
on two occasions and told him directly
[54:49]
that he was actively looking for another
[54:50]
job because of the hostile work
[54:52]
environment he believed had been created
[54:53]
by the fire chief and city management.
[54:55]
In July, I took a part-time position at
[54:57]
MMR to supplement my income and to
[54:59]
continue to better my skills as a
[55:01]
paramedic. In August, after actively
[55:03]
looking for over a year, Captain Jeff
[55:05]
interviewed for a supervisor position at
[55:07]
MMR, a position that came with a pay
[55:08]
raise of over $20,000.
[55:11]
Meanwhile, after receiving a total of
[55:13]
nine days of unpaid suspension, being
[55:14]
told I'd be moved shifts for the third
[55:16]
time in a year, and facing the attempt
[55:18]
to create what I believed would be an
[55:19]
illegal military policy, I had finally
[55:21]
had enough. I resigned. The day after I
[55:24]
submitted my resignation, Captain Jeff
[55:25]
was offered the position at MMR. He
[55:27]
accepted then submitted his own
[55:28]
resignation. There was no coordination
[55:30]
to create a staffing crisis. MMR was not
[55:32]
acting in bad faith. MMR was not being a
[55:35]
bad neighbor. And MMR had absolutely
[55:37]
nothing to do with my decision to leave
[55:38]
the city man. My decision had everything
[55:40]
to do with the hostile and toxic work
[55:42]
environment that I experienced under
[55:43]
fire chief Tom Hurden and city manager
[55:45]
Bill Gamble. Two experienced
[55:47]
firefighters did not simply wake up one
[55:49]
morning and decide to abandon careers
[55:50]
and a community that they care about. We
[55:52]
spent months and in some cases a year
[55:54]
trying to make things better, trying to
[55:56]
be heard and trying to get the
[55:57]
leadership to listen. Since Tom Hen's
[55:59]
been hired, there's been seven
[56:00]
resignations in one termination. That's
[56:01]
an alarming turnover. My only regret is
[56:03]
that city council did not take the time
[56:05]
to sit down and listen to the
[56:06]
firefighters before accepting without
[56:08]
question the version of events that was
[56:10]
spoonfed to them by Tom Hearn and Bill
[56:12]
Gamble. You had firefighters telling you
[56:13]
that there was a problem. You had people
[56:15]
resigning. You had federal labor
[56:17]
complaints. You had settlements. You had
[56:18]
my violations. And still the people
[56:21]
working inside that department were not
[56:22]
listened to. I'm not here tonight
[56:23]
because I wanted to leave. I'm here
[56:25]
because I wish I didn't have to. Thank
[56:27]
you.
[56:28]
>> Thank you. Thank you.
[56:31]
Anybody
[56:35]
else?
[56:50]
» Dave Milky at 273
[56:52]
6th Avenue.
[56:55]
Um,
[56:56]
I had made a previous request
[57:00]
for action from the city council
[57:04]
regarding the sign at the senior center.
[57:09]
I'd like to see some action taken on
[57:11]
that. In any response, I would like to
[57:15]
have it in writing.
[57:20]
Um, some other
[57:23]
review items on the sign. It's still up
[57:26]
as of a few days ago.
[57:29]
Um,
[57:31]
some of the statements that were made by
[57:33]
the zoning person
[57:35]
where they could put up an unlimited
[57:37]
number of signs at the senior center as
[57:42]
long as they met the size. I think it's
[57:45]
3x3
[57:48]
and
[57:51]
If that's the case,
[57:55]
um
[57:57]
I I think that takes away from the
[57:59]
character of the whole senior center.
[58:03]
And another item that came up there is
[58:08]
when they originally put the location
[58:12]
signs at the senior center, there was
[58:15]
only two signs allowed.
[58:18]
So that had to go to the zoning board of
[58:21]
appeals for the third sign.
[58:25]
So I don't know if the zoning ordinance
[58:27]
has changed where they can have an
[58:30]
unlimited number of signs over there
[58:33]
which doesn't make sense.
[58:36]
Um,
[58:39]
also some of the material I was supplied
[58:44]
when they were reviewing this process
[58:47]
through the permitting
[58:49]
is there was never a a plan submitted
[58:56]
for the the new sign over there.
[58:59]
The original three signs all had
[59:03]
engineering work done with those.
[59:07]
Um,
[59:09]
and where the sign is now,
[59:12]
I don't think it's made out of stainless
[59:14]
steel. It's made out of combustible
[59:17]
material
[59:18]
and it's nestled up under the eaves of
[59:22]
the building.
[59:24]
So I think there could be a a fire
[59:27]
hazard thing there to
[59:31]
consider also. And if you have unlimited
[59:34]
number of signs,
[59:36]
are they going to place them all under
[59:38]
the eaves?
[59:40]
So that's just my update and request for
[59:44]
a written response. Thank you.
[59:47]
>> Thank you. Anybody else?
[59:51]
Mr. Gamble. Oh, I'm sorry.
[59:55]
Good evening, city council and madame
[59:56]
mayor. I'm Caitlyn Snay of 109 Cedar
[59:59]
Street. I wanted to bring up my concerns
[1:00:01]
in regard to the fire department. I'd
[1:00:03]
like to share a fact. My father served
[1:00:05]
that the local 645 proudly for 25 years.
[1:00:08]
And during that time of service, he only
[1:00:10]
saw two firefighters leave. And both of
[1:00:12]
those reasons for leaving were personal
[1:00:14]
outside of the fire department that the
[1:00:15]
fire department wouldn't have been able
[1:00:17]
to retain them in any way. With that
[1:00:19]
being said, I find it very ironic that
[1:00:22]
we've had eight firefighters leave
[1:00:24]
within the past two years with our
[1:00:26]
current chief being in that role for the
[1:00:27]
past three. This is an alarm going off,
[1:00:30]
warning us that something is not right.
[1:00:32]
It is time to have some hard
[1:00:33]
conversations. I'm greatly disappointed
[1:00:35]
with how the city manager and multiple
[1:00:37]
of our council members have been talking
[1:00:39]
about the city firefighter EMTs and
[1:00:41]
paramedics, especially the ones that
[1:00:42]
have just unfortunately recently
[1:00:44]
resigned. I truly hope that you ask all
[1:00:46]
the questions, learn what you can, and
[1:00:48]
have conversations outside of just
[1:00:50]
discussing these things with the city
[1:00:51]
manager and the chief directly. I look
[1:00:53]
forward to the meeting later this month
[1:00:55]
and to get more information about the
[1:00:57]
fire authority. I'm hoping that we
[1:00:58]
actually get answers. Thank you for your
[1:01:00]
time.
[1:01:01]
>> Thank you. Else,
[1:01:05]
Mr. gamble.
[1:01:06]
>> Um, I will just mention there were some
[1:01:08]
facts left out of that statement by that
[1:01:10]
former employee and I will say there
[1:01:12]
were legitimate reasons for the
[1:01:13]
discipline. There was a grievance file
[1:01:16]
uh process that was followed and there
[1:01:17]
was a settlement. So I would say it's
[1:01:19]
time to move on
[1:01:22]
>> and then we're going to also
[1:01:23]
>> sorry
[1:01:24]
>> I think we're also going to have we'll
[1:01:26]
discuss more about the um parking lot
[1:01:29]
determine council's priorities with that
[1:01:30]
and move forward.
[1:01:32]
>> Thank you. Ra
[1:01:33]
>> um I guess I'm I think haven't we sent
[1:01:38]
or you sent Mr. Gamble, Mr. Milky a
[1:01:40]
reply in
[1:01:42]
>> I have
[1:01:42]
>> Okay. I just I thought so. I I know you
[1:01:45]
sent us a copy of those.
[1:01:48]
Um that's it. Nothing on the Rams.
[1:01:52]
>> Mr. Kowski. Uh,
[1:02:00]
Bill, you I sent you a letter reference
[1:02:03]
to two gentlemen and I know in the
[1:02:05]
ordinance or the
[1:02:09]
city rules you hire and you can fire.
[1:02:12]
Um,
[1:02:14]
we now with the removal of the
[1:02:18]
Department of Public uh works director
[1:02:23]
being terminated,
[1:02:25]
you put in two other people and I just
[1:02:27]
want to voice my opinion. Uh, you sent
[1:02:31]
me a letter back saying we're going to
[1:02:33]
reduce some of the qualifications
[1:02:36]
and I really disagree with that because
[1:02:39]
we went down when we hired the last
[1:02:43]
person and he didn't have a degree that
[1:02:47]
he should have had and now we're going
[1:02:50]
to go down again and I would like to see
[1:02:54]
back and hire outside people who have
[1:02:58]
the degrees that know what they're doing
[1:03:02]
because that's to me as a citizen I want
[1:03:06]
to know people are doing work they know
[1:03:08]
how to do and I don't have nothing
[1:03:10]
against gentlemen that appointed. Uh,
[1:03:12]
you know, we need to intim people. I
[1:03:15]
like both guys and I talk to both guys,
[1:03:18]
but I just like to see things change
[1:03:21]
here because I'm I'm tired of seeing it
[1:03:22]
going downhill. The next thing is, can
[1:03:25]
the golf carts that ride around the
[1:03:28]
city, the rental golf carts, can they
[1:03:31]
advertise on the back? People have asked
[1:03:33]
me and I don't know what the rules are
[1:03:34]
for that thing.
[1:03:36]
>> They have advertising.
[1:03:38]
>> Yeah, I think you're talking about Z's
[1:03:39]
cart rental. I don't know of any issues
[1:03:41]
with that. So, I wouldn't think there's
[1:03:43]
>> people asked me. I don't know.
[1:03:45]
>> And they're looking at as a sponsorship.
[1:03:46]
I don't have a
[1:03:48]
>> Okay.
[1:03:48]
>> Think there's a legal reason to fight
[1:03:50]
that.
[1:03:50]
>> I didn't know if there was anything that
[1:03:51]
you knew that would help. Okay.
[1:03:54]
>> All right.
[1:03:55]
>> Miss K.
[1:03:56]
>> I'm good. Thank you very much, Mr. Rits.
[1:03:59]
>> I just want to say what a wonderful uh
[1:04:01]
back to school day for Casine and Maps
[1:04:04]
yesterday. I just want to uh thank our
[1:04:06]
city law. You're smiling. It was It was
[1:04:09]
pretty fun. It was It's a little
[1:04:11]
chaotic, but uh just everyone be safe on
[1:04:13]
the roads and look out for little ones
[1:04:15]
who are excited to get to school. Thank
[1:04:18]
you, Mr. Smith.
[1:04:20]
>> I am all set. Thank you,
[1:04:21]
>> Miss Liy.
[1:04:23]
I think Bill, I think it was a good
[1:04:25]
decision whoever made it not to have the
[1:04:26]
attorney. I think it's a cost savings to
[1:04:28]
the city. I don't know that he has to be
[1:04:29]
at every meeting. If there's an issue,
[1:04:31]
he can view it on video at meeting
[1:04:34]
number minute number 37 or something.
[1:04:36]
So, thank you. That was looking out for
[1:04:37]
us. Um the question someone was asking
[1:04:40]
is that plaza I think it was there's
[1:04:43]
bolsters that can be put in at the end.
[1:04:45]
Is that going to remain open as a road
[1:04:48]
most of the time? People are worried
[1:04:49]
that it's going to be closed at the end
[1:04:51]
more than open.
[1:04:53]
>> So the ballards were a long lead time.
[1:04:55]
We're waiting for those to come in, but
[1:04:57]
the idea was for it to be you can still
[1:04:59]
drive through it and it can be closed
[1:05:00]
down for special events and we can do
[1:05:03]
that as we choose fit. So
[1:05:05]
>> be it's still going to be a road. People
[1:05:06]
are concerned that it will be Not a
[1:05:08]
road, but a
[1:05:08]
>> little bit different geometrics where
[1:05:10]
you do kind of turn at the end into
[1:05:12]
water, but
[1:05:12]
>> but you can still go through
[1:05:13]
>> and you can go there, you can park.
[1:05:15]
>> Good. Thank you.
[1:05:16]
>> Does it look good? Okay, I take a motion
[1:05:17]
to return.
[1:05:18]
>> I'll make that motion.