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All right. So we will call the meeting of the select board to order on Wednesday,
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September 23rd. I'd like you to know that this meeting is being recorded.
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We have three members present, with Ms. Noonan and Mr. Greater absent tonight.
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Open up with public comment.
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Going online?
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No.
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All right. Beautiful. Patrick, move on. Time for his update.
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Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The one update I have for you tonight is an update
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on the Coffee School FB.
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Okay.
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We conducted a site walk yesterday for potential bidders.
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It was handled by Allison Jenkins, our chief procurement officer, Chief Jason
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Gilliland, who had the keys to the building-
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Mm-hmm
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... so folks could get in there, and Jacinta Williams, our town planner,
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participating in the walkthrough.
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There was a total of 10 potential bidders,
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folks looking at it. And so basically, the purpose is to walk through the building
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for them to get eyes on, take a look at it, at the site,
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ask questions about the site, look at the existing conditions, so that they can
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have all the information they need to put in very responsive and well-informed
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proposals. So it's in our interest that they have as much information as possible
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for the proposal.
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So we are somewhat encouraged based on the level of participation.
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The
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deadline is October 19th. So, this gives
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these potential bidders enough time to assess the information, build it in their
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proposals, and submit for the October 19th deadline.
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Great.
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Excellent. Well, thank you for that. Any questions?
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No.
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All right. We're moving along here.
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Next up, we have Roe from Veterans Agent to discuss our POW chair.
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Thank you.
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Yep. Oh, sorry. And you've got a sidekick as well.
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I do.
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Appreciate that secret snuffing club sergeant for captain.
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Roe, you're our captain.
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So I did between-
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Danny Driver. Yes. Good evening.
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So I am come to you before to present the POW MIA chair dedicated to those who
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never made it home. To date, there are over 83,000 military members, both men and
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women, who have not made it back. Either missing in action or former POWs.
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And over 30, 130 cities and towns across the Commonwealth has a chair similar to...
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Well, not anything like this chair because this is an old chair.
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This fits into decor, and it's a chair of honor.
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No one is supposed to sit in it, hence the stanchions and the flags, and I have a
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plaque, so I will unveil that with the commander.
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And, I got one of the first ones when I was in Winter Gas, the VSO, and Speaker Leo
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had paid for the whole thing.
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Mm.
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And back then it was Rolling Thunder who was doing it.
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So it's just a chair of honor to recognize those who have not made it home, who've
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made the ultimate sacrifice. So if I may open the chair and show it to you?
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Any idea through the chair where it came from or?
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Oh, Chief Jason.
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Oh, Chief Jason. I think it was the Masonic Lodge. Oh, cool.
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It's over 200 years old.
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Oh, great.
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And it was one of the only ones that wasn't damaged, and then I restored it in my
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side office there and refinished it all, and I think it came out pretty good.
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The VFW donated the stanchions and the flags, and we paid for the plaque, and the
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chair, again, was donated, so it didn't really cost much at all.
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I thought it was supposed to go in the chamber.
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Multiple.
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Right.
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Multiple. Beeswax and-
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It's kind of lonely.
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It's that.
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That's why you're here, Chief? You're doing fire watch?
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Sorry. He took it down from the fifth floor of the Mason Hall.
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I want to see pictures.
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And when he took me up to the Mason Hall, I'm like, "How are we getting up here?"
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So I had to find my two flagestias after going up to the elevator to the third
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floor. And then we came for it, and Bruce helped me with setting it all
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up. So it's a team effort. Willisia helped me, and so it's truly been a group
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effort in putting this together.
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Well, thank you to the team. This is overdue, and I'm glad that you've brought this
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forward.
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Last time I came here and I asked Thatcher about it and he's like, "No." I'm like,
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"This is one of the oldest town halls in the Commonwealth.
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Why don't we have that?"
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Well, now we're about to.
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Well, I'm going to show it to you.
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Great.
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Excellent.
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Commander?
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And if you would read the plaque, Mayor?
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You got my glasses? You should wear them.
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Let this empty chair serve as a memorial to those who served in our military of
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our great nation, but have not returned home to us.
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They are prisoners of war or missing in action.
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The Army will forever be grateful for your bravery and sacrifice and service to our
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nation. We will never forget. God bless all of us. God bless America.
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Dedicated by the town of Marblehead, Marblehead Veteran Services, and Marblehead
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VFW Post 2000.
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So with your vote, Mr. Chair, do you think it stays on right here or it goes back
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in the hall?
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I understand this might not be a huge celebration, but we will follow our
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formalities for sure.
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Okay, Roe, you got anything else? She wants to be there just in case you have
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paradox. Jason, can you get over and be ready just in case you have paradox?
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Great up in this honor. Yeah, no, I'm not supposed to. Exactly.
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If I could have a motion to accept the placement of the chair and coordinate
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placement of the chair in Abbott Hall with the town administrator.
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Second.
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All in favor?
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All right. Congratulations. Thank you.
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Real, real quick, I just wanted to add on, I wanted to thank everybody for taking
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part in the Company of Heroes road race, walk, everything else.
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Rumor has it that Moses is still out walking the route, so
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we will see about that. I also want to thank Rosanna for her coming to the race and
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everything else. First year we did this, with Kate Van Auken, we had 17 people
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that did it. Second year it was 67.
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Latest race was 123. Great. We raised over $7,000 for Company to Heroes,
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which provides PTSD dogs to veterans.
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I just want to thank the town, all the selectmen, Marblehead police, fire,
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everything else, for allowing us to do this.
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I know it's never easy running through town on a Saturday.
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But I want to thank everybody for their help.
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Bigger and better next year, so looking forward to it.
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If I don't get to talk to you again, we've got a big event coming up in November
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for the New England Center for Homeless Veterans.
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But also too, please make sure that you're available for Army Navy, things like
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that. Roe and I will be duking it out downstairs in the bunker because she's former
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Army and we're Air Force. But thank you very much. Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you all again. Remember, Jimmy Full always wins. I know he always do.
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You never lose. You never lose. Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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So pleased to. Thank you. We can't wait to-
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So, Mr. Donald, we thought this would be best to fill the void in here, not that
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you have the author online, but basically a portrait.
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Well, we appreciate that. Absolutely.
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And yeah, well, Patrick and Mark, we'll love to have your input as well, since you
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guys were instrumental.
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And it's a full dedication on Veterans Day.
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Great.
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That's wonderful. Amazing.
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Great.
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No problem.
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Look forward to it. Great.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Have a great night. Thank you. All right.
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Next up we have Historical Commission. Pam Peterson, if you want to come on up?
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Donation to the town of some portraits. Pam. Good evening.
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Evening.
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Peter just wanted to, we've got the letter from Sharon Heim-
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Right
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... about donating. I just wanted to give us a little history.
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I know you and I were discussing before.
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So this is a donation that we just received over the summer, the end of the summer,
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from a woman who is sort of
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tidying up her affairs, and she has these four portraits from her family.
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And it's fascinating because the four women are
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related by birth or by marriage. And
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they're all from 19th century Marblehead, and none of them are-
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... famous women, but
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several of them were wives of ship captains, several others were involved in
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maritime trade, and they all lived in Marblehead all their lives.
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So
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last year, we actually had a couple of people who commented that there are no
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portraits in Abbott Hall of any women, which is true.
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And that is because we don't have any portrait.
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We didn't until now have any portraits of any women from Marblehead.
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So having this essentially come out of the blue is really wonderful.
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So we would like to install them here in the Select Board room,
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and somewhere on this wall.
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One thing, the
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image of Judge Story, who was certainly an important Marbleheader, but that's a
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photograph. It's not a painting. And it's very badly faded.
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And so we would remove that, slightly rearrange things, and put the four
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paintings on this wall, so that they receive some prominence.
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And then Judge Story will come back once we've gotten a new photographic image.
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I was just saying to Dan, I believe the original is at the State House in Boston,
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the original of that painting.
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But we can get a color reproduction of it to put in either that frame or
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potentially a smaller one, or however we do it.
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Obviously, we're going to have to do some rearranging in this room, in general, to
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figure out where
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the chair might go. So, anyway, that will be part of our
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project.
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So anyway, but this is a great opportunity to
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introduce some women into Abbott Hall and also into this room.
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And so we were very pleased to receive it, and we wanted to inform you of it.
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Great. Okay. So Story's coming back, that's-
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He will come back, yeah. I just don't know
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if we can get a good copy of that image, it will be that one, or there may be
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another portrait of him somewhere that we don't-
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There is one in my office.
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Of this one?
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It's not the same. It's a different portrait of Justice Story.
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So maybe we can just swap it out?
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We could put this one. It's fading in the room.
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Yes. Well, this one really has-
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Good idea.
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The one thing-
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Fading away.
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The one thing I did notice, although it's photographic, it was donated, and then
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redone through slate. So I think there's some sensitivity to that.
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So I would say if you can get the same-
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Same image
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... image.
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That is the intent, because it would be the same image and go back into the same
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frame, so it would have the same plaque on it and everything.
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Yeah.
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I know there's a book, "The Women of Marblehead."
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Mm-hmm.
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And by chance, these women probably are not in that book.
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I don't believe they are.
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But that would've been really cool-
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Yeah
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... if they were.
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Right. The women of Marblehead's an interesting mix of women that are in there, but
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again, they are often not necessarily famous women.
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That's right, yeah. Not famous.
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But people who certainly lived. So is it very characteristic of lives that they
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lived in the time period that they were-
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I think that's great that they have come about.
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Yeah. Great. Nice little nod to some women in history.
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It is, yes.
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For sure.
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So very serendipitous that that just happened.
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Great. All right.
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Okay.
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Thank you for coming tonight. I appreciate you spending all that time.
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Okay.
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And Dan, as I was mentioning, I think you should go to the State House and tell
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them we want the original.
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Okay.
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I volunteer.
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Sure.
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So if I get a motion to accept as a gift to the town, four family portraits from
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Sharonheim, and put in the care and custody of the Historical Commission.
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Installation of portraits shall be coordinated with Town Administrator and
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Historical Commission.
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So moved.
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Second.
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All in favor? Thank you, Pam.
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Thank you.
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Have a good night.
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You, too.
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Next up, AMQ from the head of DPW to talk about ride, road,
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and sidewalk improvements. In particular,
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their implementation of Article 11.
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And Maggie, good evening.
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Good
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evening.
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Maybe your portraits will be up next one assumption.
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It's amazing to think of this one.
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I know. It's one second.
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That's okay.
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And I saw the letter from her like, "There's not a woman in it." Yeah. It's great.
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So the floor is yours.
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Okay. So good evening, and thank you for having me. I'm Maggie.
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Tonight, I'm excited to walk you through how transforming Marblehead's streets and
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sidewalks into safer and more accessible, more connected networks than ever before.
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We're going to look at how a street moves from assessment to construction, how
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Article 11 has allowed us to elevate our standards, and the results your support
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have made possible. We also will be previewing what's coming next, including new
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tools for communication and public access.
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This work is more coordinated, more strategic, and more community-centered than
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ever, and I'm thrilled to share our progress.
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Our goal is simple: fix the right streets at the right time, once.
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To make this happen, DPW blends pavement conditions, safety needs, accessibility
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requirements, and utility coordination, so we're not just resurfacing old roads.
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We're building long-lasting, integrated public ways.
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This is how we achieve total street projects, by combining engineering data with
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real-world coordination. It's smarter, it's more efficient, and it protects the
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taxpayer's investment.
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Every decision is grounded in real data and formal planning documents, pavement
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assessments, sidewalk network analysis, ADA compliance planning, bicycle facility
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work, and resident input. There aren't isolated plans.
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Together, they create a full picture of condition, mobility, safety, accessibility,
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and demand, guiding us toward designs that match each street's needs.
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The result is predictable, clear, data-driven project selection.
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Here's the heart of our approach. Condition, utility review, scope development,
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funding path, and prioritization.
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The workflow helps prevent streets from being repaved before planned utility work
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occurs. It incorporates ADA upgrades into the initial project planning process, and
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it promotes early coordination of funding.
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Most importantly, it ensures that each project is completed appropriately the first
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time, maximizing the long-term value.
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Tonight, I would like to show you this in practice.
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When streets are in decent shape, we seize the opportunity to improve sidewalks,
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ramps, and connectivity.
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These projects are fast-moving because the utilities do not require planned
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improvements and design needs are minimal.
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Examples like West Shore Drive, Lafayette Street, and Tedesco Street show how we
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enhance safety and accessibility even when the pavement doesn't need full
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reconstruction. This is how we elevate our network without waiting for pavement
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failure.
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Streets with poor pavement condition and completed utility upgrades are ready to
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go. These projects move through the workflow faster because utilities do
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not require planned improvements and design needs are minimal.
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These become prime candidates for the total street treatment, appropriate road
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rehabilitation, sidewalk ADA, and network improvements.
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Streets such as Elm Street, Commercial Street, and State Street demonstrate how
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quickly a location can move
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through the workflow once utility conditions have been confirmed.
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Some streets require comprehensive total street treatment.
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Utility upgrades incorporated into the improvement plans.
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Rather than paving a street, then excavating it later, we coordinate with the
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utility providers to ensure that water and gas, for example, and other
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infrastructure projects are completed first.
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As utility work progresses, the Department of Public Works develops the scope for
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corresponding public way improvements.
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Streets such as West, Mystic, Florence, and Bouvier demonstrate how effective
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coordination can accelerate utility projects and advance the roadway improvements.
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Before Article 11, most of our work relied on Chapter 90, limited state funding,
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allowing only basic resurfacing and minimal sidewalk upgrades.
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Article 11 transformed our capabilities, supporting full holistic total street
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projects that combine roadway structure, sidewalks, ADA, utilities, and
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connectivity.
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This map is an example of tracking maps we plan to make available on the town
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website.
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Article 11 authorized $12.475 million,
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and your support has turned the investment into over six miles of full total street
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projects, plus minor rehabilitation and major ADA and sidewalk advancements.
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We've expended $4.17 million, committed $1.82 million, and
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have $6.48 million remaining. The funding is delivering real, visible results
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across Marblehead.
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What's next follows the same proven workflow. A few highlights.
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Pleasant Street road diet, turning the corridor with the crash history, including
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two fatalities, into a safer redesigned road.
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We put in a grant application for $1 million.
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The total cost is approximately $3.5 million, which will be supported by Article 11
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money.
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Curtis, Roosevelt, and Maverick, approximately $1 million are slotted for public
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way improvements. Utilities are done and it is ready for the total street redesign.
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$1 million has been put towards sidewalk upgrades town wide, and $800,000
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for minor road rehabilitation, which is for sections of Pleasant Street, Humphrey
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Street, and Evans Road. While all this is going on, we've coordinated with
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utilities, so Laurel Street, Doane Street, Washington Street, Front Street, Gregory
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Street, and the Prospect Street area have utility projects that are underway now.
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We're moving from reactive repairs to long-term infrastructure planning.
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This year, we expanded public communication significantly.
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Residents now get regular Marblehead TD updates, we have an updated town meeting,
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and website updates. We have monthly traffic safety advisory committee briefings,
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and every two to three weeks prior to a project, you would get advance notice.
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Weekly website updates, Zoom meeting, Zoom neighborhood meetings before
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construction, and 24-hour paving door tags.
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Communication is faster, clearer, and more consistent, but we still need to keep
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improving.
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So what's next? We're launching several major communication tools.
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Marblehead Alerts is already up and running and will be used for additional
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notification for the next roadway project. That is launched now.
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We have an FAQ page, which is centralizing project status, funding sources, and
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workflow explanations. That's expected to launch by October 2026.
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We're working on our foundational GIS map. So that's your GIS base map.
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We're developing the foundation GIS base map to support a public-facing project
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information map. That's expected to launch internally summer
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2027. Then we'll be building an interactive public map.
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Past, current, and future capital projects will all be visible online.
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There'll be a map on the town website of past, current, and future projects, and
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then also your public way improvements.
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That's expected to launch, and that we'll be playing with for quite a while to make
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sure that it's interactive and what people want to see.
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So that will be summer of 2029. This effort represents the DPW's commitment to
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significantly improving transparency and residents' access to information.
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Thank you for your continued support of the Total Street projects and the care
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you've shown to Marblehead's infrastructure.
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Together, we are modernizing and improving safety, expanding accessibility, and
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building a system the community can rely on.
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I'm happy to take any questions on the project selection, timelines, utility
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coordination, funding, communications, or whatever else you might have.
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So Amy, can we go back to where you talked about kind of what's next?
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Sure.
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I think that's on everybody's mind in terms of what the plan is, at least right
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now.
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Yeah. So, the only thing that we're highlighting tonight or showing you is the
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capital improvement plans, right? So there's still maintenance going on.
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You would still see Chapter 90 money that will be put towards designs,
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or is actually right now going towards designs.
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And, we still have design work that's happening with the Article 11 money.
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But I think the biggest project that we have, and the most important, is what we
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consider the Pleasant Street corridor.
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MBTA has already put funds towards a design and the construction of
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the intersection at Smith, improvements for the intersection at Smith, Baldwin, and
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Pleasant. So that's one anchor on one end.
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And then that is the area that we had the two fatalities.
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So we currently have Apex redesigning what they call a road diet.
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It's trying to slow everyone down, so that will narrow the road.
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That is one of the larger roads in Marblehead, so we have the ability to put in now
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bike plans, and all the plans converge right here and actually work.
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So you're going to see everything that people have proposed that should be done to
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make things better, you'll be able to see it in this section.
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So we'll have a shared use sidewalk on one side, a different sidewalk, a plain
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sidewalk on the other side. You'll be down to two lanes, so you won't have multiple
[24:29]
lanes converging into a smaller amount.
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There's space for a bus to still pull over.
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And that will go from Devereux Street to
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Smith. Now, even with the money, the upgrades, we'll also be doing the lights.
[24:46]
Even with the upgrades that MBTA is going to be funding for the town, we still are
[24:51]
looking at a project of $3.5 million.
[24:55]
Unless we get this.
[24:57]
Unless we get that, right. So if we do get the $1 million grant, it will be $2.5
[25:02]
million for Marblehead to-
[25:03]
So following up on, because this is such a big project and so important, right?
[25:07]
Yeah.
[25:07]
And so I think you said that there's about $6 million in change remaining of
[25:11]
Article 11, right? So this project is about half of it.
[25:14]
Yes.
[25:16]
And so what's the thought with the other half? Or not?
[25:19]
So the roads that DPW has put forward, and everybody's
[25:25]
taking write down because they really are roads that need to be upgraded, is
[25:30]
Curtis, Roosevelt, and Maverick. So they now had poor road ratings to start with.
[25:36]
And then they needed a lot of utility upgrades.
[25:41]
So water went down, gas went down, then water went down.
[25:46]
And if you go down that, that brought the road rating way down, because now you
[25:49]
have two large trenches on opposite sides of the street.
[25:53]
They're also digging in a street that isn't very thick anymore, right?
[25:56]
So as soon as they start to dig, it starts to crumble, so the trenches look even
[25:59]
worse. Trying to patch them makes it very difficult because the road just kind of
[26:02]
disappears as you cut it. So, those are part of that project.
[26:08]
Those are estimated $1 million. Those right now are in deep discussion with our
[26:13]
consultant about what we do with the public way. How much sidewalk do we install?
[26:18]
Those are dead-end roads. But they all do have somewhere that you want to be
[26:23]
connected to. So, it might be coming off the main road that you need some sidewalks
[26:28]
that get you further down. And then we are discussing
[26:33]
neighborhood greenways or safe streets, which would be some kind of sign and some
[26:37]
kind of slowing traffic down and letting people know that you're sharing the street
[26:41]
with a bike or a vulnerable user or walker.
[26:46]
Maverick Street, we're looking at, there are sidewalks.
[26:50]
So where there are sidewalks or holes of sidewalks, that would be continuing to
[26:53]
where the sidewalk goes, is where we are right now.
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Granted, this is all in discussion right now.
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And these roads are really difficult because they have a lot of parking, they have
[27:02]
a lot of trees, they have intermittent sidewalks, and they're pretty much dead ends
[27:07]
that don't go anywhere. So we have to take that balance into account, how we're
[27:12]
going to do that piece.
[27:14]
You mean balancing because it's a dead end and it's not necessarily a priority as
[27:18]
far as traffic and safety, but then obviously they're in poor condition.
[27:22]
Right.
[27:22]
So as you go through that grid
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When you get to the sidewalk assessment and advancement, that's where we start to
[27:29]
question. And of course,
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we have a longstanding thing of not taking trees down here.
[27:35]
So trees are difficult because they push your sidewalk further in to the street.
[27:40]
Then all of a sudden, parking has to be removed because you don't have enough space
[27:43]
for parking and a tree, and the sidewalk. So, we're working our way through that.
[27:50]
Maverick Street is, we're planning on sidewalk right to the rail trail, right?
[27:54]
That's an access point, that's a connectivity point.
[27:57]
Very similar to Bouvier Road, which has a path that goes somewhere.
[28:01]
So that will definitely be sidewalks on both sides, I think.
[28:06]
At least on both sides, we're planning there.
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And then we're talking with what we do beyond there, because now you're a dead-end
[28:12]
street, it's quiet.
[28:14]
So, that will be where that goes.
[28:18]
So there's another million. Then, right now, I've proposed that we hold a million
[28:23]
for our sidewalk upgrade. So, we put in two years ago for a grant
[28:29]
for, it might be one year ago, for
[28:33]
ADA ramps down Tedesco and Humphrey Street. That's why you didn't see us do those.
[28:37]
We did Washburn Drive first, hoping we were going to get that money.
[28:41]
We were denied that grant or not awarded that grant, so that will be the next place
[28:45]
we look. We're going to look around target school areas and then Humphrey and
[28:49]
Tedesco to get those ramps in.
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So,
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that's kind of your slush bucket too.
[28:59]
You can do ramps, you can do five ramps, you can do a whole bunch of ramps.
[29:02]
So as your funding starts to get restricted, that would be a spot that you would
[29:07]
have to wait and put those onto the future projects.
[29:12]
And then the next one is, we're looking at $800,000 for roads that
[29:18]
are major throughways but do need some kind of utility upgrade.
[29:24]
But the utility plans do not have that work happening in the next three, five
[29:30]
years. These roads
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do have a lower road rating and need some type of it, so we're looking at minor
[29:37]
rehabilitation on those roads. And that's basically what Marblehead had done all
[29:41]
the time in the past, right? So we're just going to mill and overlay those roads,
[29:45]
or maybe just overlay, depending on which road it is.
[29:49]
Which ones would be examples of that?
[29:51]
So we're looking at sections of Pleasant Street, which are Pleasant Street from
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Devereux Terrace, because mind you, the first part's getting a full total streets.
[30:02]
So we're going to go from Devereux Terrace to Prospect, because Vine and Village
[30:08]
was done with the TIP program when they redid that.
[30:11]
During a drain project, you got the next section of Pleasant Street paved to
[30:17]
Spring. So then we'll jump over and do Spring to Watson, and then you've had Watson
[30:22]
to Washington paved recently. So, we'll stop there.
[30:26]
So those are the sections of Pleasant, and then we're going to look at Humphrey
[30:29]
from Maple to
[30:32]
Tenth Corner or to the high school. So that would be paved.
[30:36]
And then if anyone drives down Evans Road, Evans Road is one of those that they
[30:39]
consider just unraveling.
[30:42]
That will need design work if you were going to do a total street project.
[30:47]
It does need water upgrade, it does need gas upgrade.
[30:50]
So, that one, just keep the road together until those times come.
[30:54]
That is just a straight overlay.
[30:57]
It might be a mill and overlay, so we can make all of the grades at the different
[31:01]
sidewalks though.
[31:02]
Is Washington on any of those?
[31:04]
So Washington is, if you go back to the workflow, Washington is stuck in the
[31:08]
utility upgrades right now. So the gas company has committed to doing the utility
[31:13]
upgrades, and I
[31:16]
can't thank them enough for being great partners with Marblehead.
[31:20]
We didn't have a lot of gas work done previously. It was all just kind of patching.
[31:25]
Now that we have put our pavement management plan forward, they've been really good
[31:30]
partners in trying to get ahead of us.
[31:32]
So Washington Street, you saw them do some upgrades right here, from Five Corners
[31:37]
to here. I don't know how much they did there.
[31:40]
But they did go down to Rockaway Street.
[31:42]
Now they're picking up at Rockaway Street and going all the way to Orange Street.
[31:47]
Okay. So you're holding off on that because you're in that chart, you're in the
[31:52]
utility replacement, so then once that's done, that could become more of a
[31:57]
priority.
[31:58]
Yes, exactly. As I said, while the utility replacement is working, we're also
[32:03]
looking at the design, because that's not what Maggie likes to call a book job,
[32:07]
right? We have to look at the materials that sidewalks are already, because a lot
[32:11]
of them are not really conducive to accessibility.
[32:16]
We have to look at telephone poles, because they're actually in the middle of where
[32:20]
we need to put ramps to get across the town hall.
[32:24]
We're also looking at some narrowing and what we can get in without losing parking.
[32:30]
It also is part of, you've already invested in the Five Corners design, right?
[32:34]
So, we don't want to do anything beyond Five Corners design.
[32:37]
We still have that design-
[32:38]
Where does the Five Corners design fit in all this?
[32:41]
So the Five Corners design, while utilities are working, the Five Corners design is
[32:45]
part of the design. So they're working on that piece of design, and then once that
[32:50]
is settled, we'll move them up the street, the designers up the street to make sure
[32:54]
that we can get it-
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So here's a question, and this will be my last one.
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I'm sure they all have questions too.
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So what happens when the utilities are ready for that, for Five Corners, and then
[33:06]
your design's done, right? Because you're working that parallel, but then you get
[33:09]
to the point and you don't have the money.
[33:11]
Right.
[33:12]
Like because there's other projects that are ready, right?
[33:15]
Yep.
[33:15]
So that 6 million seems it's going to go pretty quick.
[33:18]
Yep.
[33:19]
And so the timing, so then what happens to that?
[33:21]
It waits until-- You can't borrow Chapter 90 money.
[33:25]
No, we can use Chapter 90 money for that, right? Chapter 90 money is limited.
[33:30]
It's generally around 400,000. This year, we got 600,000 without a gas tax.
[33:35]
That's how it comes. We could go back to 200,000 one year.
[33:38]
So it's not something you can count on, but it is something that you gather your
[33:42]
Chapter 90 money, you wait to pave everywhere else, and you say, "We're going to
[33:45]
pave Washington Street." Or you do just a sidewalk.
[33:52]
Pieces of the sidewalk, not the whole sidewalk.
[33:56]
So those will be difficult decisions for Marblehead to make.
[34:00]
Now, when they voted in 2022, the idea was that this was going to happen every five
[34:05]
years. You were going to fund your streets for the next 20, 30 years at that rate.
[34:11]
So every five years, you were going to give 12 or seven five to the
[34:17]
town to continue with that. And if you go back to that presentation, you'll see
[34:22]
they have a whole bunch of graphs of where you're trying to be, and that basically
[34:27]
that 3.1 million a year, roughly,
[34:31]
which part of that's your Chapter 90 money too, it's supposed to maintain where you
[34:35]
are and give you a slight increase of where your roads are.
[34:41]
Marblehead's a little difficult, though, because they just looked at roads, they
[34:45]
didn't look at utilities, and utilities have been, gas utilities, and water
[34:51]
was slow for a while. Water's been cranking out work for a lot of years right now.
[34:56]
The drainage project was huge, but
[34:59]
they are hard to say that if you only spend 3.1 million you're going to see huge
[35:05]
raises in where your conditions assessments are.
[35:09]
But
[35:11]
they definitely, cast iron gas from the early 1900s, and I'm glad to see it
[35:16]
replaced right now.
[35:19]
Terry, you had a question?
[35:20]
Yeah. So, as a matter of fact, I was heading out of town about 6:00 a.m.
[35:26]
this morning, up on Pleasant Street, approaching Baldwin and Smith, and
[35:32]
all of a sudden, the light change coming inbound, and the usual jockeying for the
[35:37]
lane, two cars hit each other. The big huge pickup truck came into my lane.
[35:42]
I just missed it, but that is just a horrible place, and the sooner we can get
[35:48]
that done, the better. And that was just-
[35:50]
Yeah
[35:51]
... to me, we call the fire chief, but they didn't want to walk and stuff.
[35:55]
But anyhow, no, it's very good.
[35:58]
Personally committed to making that section safe.
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This morning, this happened to happen.
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On 6:00 o'clock, this
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just ended up. But anyhow, the question I have is timing of all this stuff.
[36:11]
We heard about a lot of
[36:14]
streets, and the question I always get, and the question I have is, when is this
[36:20]
going to happen next year, the year after?
[36:23]
A good example, we always hear about Washington Street here.
[36:26]
Understand there's utility work.
[36:28]
But does that mean,
[36:30]
I try to respond to people, and you always say, "There's utility work, there's
[36:34]
this." And they say, "When? When is it going to be done?" And I don't have a good
[36:37]
answer. So do we have- That I know there's a lot of moving parts, but when is
[36:43]
Washington Street kind of done? When is Pleasant? What are the jobs for next year?
[36:50]
That is, I think, what people are asking for.
[36:54]
Do we have that or can we-
[36:57]
So we don't have a five-year plan is what people want to see, right?
[37:02]
Well-
[37:02]
Water and sewer, you can kind of do a five-year plan.
[37:04]
No, I don't think-
[37:05]
When you get to the roads
[37:07]
... I think people want to see a couple of things.
[37:09]
One is what's going to happen in the next year or two, and then there's specific
[37:14]
hotspots. We hear about Washington and Pleasant, when those are going to be done.
[37:19]
I don't think there is as much concern about
[37:23]
five-year, unless it happens to be Washington or Pleasant or one of those.
[37:26]
Which Washington, for all I know, the utility work might take five years, but I
[37:30]
don't know that. That's really what I'm, in this design work and all that, and I
[37:36]
think
[37:39]
people will feel better if they see that timeline.
[37:42]
And we know what we learned from Bouvier Road on the other end.
[37:46]
People want to know what's actually going to happen this spring, and that's a
[37:50]
real-- So I think there's two things going on there, and I think that was the
[37:56]
lesson from Bouvier, is people didn't realize what was coming.
[38:01]
And I would say it was me on-
[38:03]
So-
[38:04]
Yeah, so
[38:04]
... that I think is a communication issue.
[38:07]
Okay. But yeah.
[38:09]
I think that when we started this, the town meeting we started talking about and we
[38:14]
came to the select board and talked about roadways 101.
[38:18]
Yeah.
[38:18]
That was really to understand, and if you call DPW and they say, "When is my road
[38:23]
going to be paved?" Well, gas is there this year, so next year's water.
[38:27]
You're looking at three to four years before you get your road paved.
[38:31]
That was said to Bouvier, West, Maverick.
[38:35]
And after the first, everybody's pretty okay when gas goes down.
[38:40]
When water goes down, they start to get really frustrated.
[38:42]
And then by waiting, which you have to wait for the freeze-thaw and to make sure
[38:46]
all your trenches are correct, that time period is when people don't want to see
[38:51]
you anymore.
[38:53]
Right in the middle of the water project, people are pretty done seeing
[38:56]
construction. Prospect Street is right there, right now. Right?
[39:00]
Prospect's not on my list for the Article 11 money because it didn't make it to the
[39:05]
flow yet for the funding, so that will be, maybe we'll have to go back in front of
[39:11]
town meeting and say, "This is what five years has done.
[39:14]
This is how you see it."
[39:15]
So I understand that, but what we know is going to be done, whatever it is-
[39:19]
So what I just told you is what will be done in the next three years, two to three
[39:22]
years.
[39:22]
But what is going to be done in 2027, in 2028?
[39:26]
That's-
[39:27]
So I don't want to jump to 2020. Oh, so the other thing we've done also is-
[39:31]
Well, just 2020
[39:32]
... there's a working group. We're all talking about how designs work, how things
[39:36]
happen. Every job we've been to, we've learned something, and it's created a
[39:43]
pause for the next one to make sure that we don't make those same, they're not
[39:49]
wrong, but same decisions that people are upset about.
[39:53]
That's why Maverick Street and Roosevelt and Curtis are with consultants now.
[39:58]
Right? They could've been book jobs.
[40:00]
Would've been very simple, but-
[40:01]
So when you say consultants, you mean full design so that-
[40:04]
Yeah
[40:04]
... people who are making sure-
[40:06]
So consultant-wise would be, we'll have a surveyor come in and mark things.
[40:10]
Okay.
[40:10]
That's going to take funding that isn't private.
[40:13]
I understand. What street's going to be done next year? Do we know that?
[40:17]
So in the next two to three years.
[40:20]
No, next year.
[40:20]
Next year. So this fall, I hope to see, of course, you're at the end of the season
[40:25]
now, right?
[40:25]
Yeah.
[40:26]
So we have requested, we've given him a big list because we still have a contract
[40:31]
until June 30th.
[40:32]
DNR?
[40:32]
DNR. Right. So he's got sections of Pleasant Street.
[40:36]
He's got Humphrey Street, section that I read from Maple to-
[40:41]
See, that would be very helpful because I hear a lot of complaints about those two
[40:45]
sections.
[40:46]
Yep.
[40:46]
But keep going.
[40:47]
So these are what we've put forward to him right now.
[40:51]
Okay.
[40:51]
This is what we want to have done. We have time constraints and other people
[40:55]
constraints, but whether he gets it-
[40:56]
But if DNR-
[40:56]
But those are on there
[40:57]
... if DNR came back and said, "I can't do it till next April," that's-
[41:01]
And Evans Road is on his list.
[41:03]
Okay. I have a separate question about Evans Road.
[41:06]
Okay. Well, Evans Road is on his list.
[41:07]
So if he doesn't get it done this fall,
[41:11]
we'll be out the gates in the spring with those three.
[41:13]
Okay. And I heard about Roosevelt, Curtis, and Maverick are those-
[41:18]
Those I hope to follow right after.
[41:21]
Okay. That's-
[41:22]
In the spring. Those aren't going to be done this year
[41:24]
... knowing-
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But in the spring
[41:25]
... the short-term interest people have, I think it would be helpful to have that
[41:29]
somewhere that we plan on doing these in the next 12 months.
[41:32]
I realize there's a lot of,
[41:35]
Pleasant Street is going to take a lot of work in certain sections, but certain
[41:39]
sections will be improved. And Washington Street is hot button, but
[41:44]
if people can understand that it's-- If I could tell someone, people say to me,
[41:49]
"You work at the hall, and the street is horrible." And if I say, "Well, it's going
[41:55]
to be like that for three years because of
[41:58]
design work," that's fine. So, just getting that-
[42:02]
And what might happen, that town administrator at the end of the third year might
[42:05]
say, "Take the Chapter 90 money and Mellon overlay, this section of Washington
[42:10]
Street."
[42:10]
Okay.
[42:10]
"But we won't do the sidewalks until later."
[42:13]
That's-
[42:13]
That's where it could end up
[42:14]
... that's fine. So I think my interest, after hearing all this, is what is the
[42:19]
next 12 months? And, as you know, over in my neighborhood, we did a private road.
[42:25]
It takes about two years to do it, to figure it out.
[42:29]
And-
[42:30]
And you didn't do your water, so you didn't upgrade the utilities.
[42:32]
No, but that, sure. Two years, and we actually had Eric come out.
[42:38]
I think you sent Eric out to do a flow test because-
[42:41]
Yeah. No, by understanding that he is-
[42:44]
We rubbed our hands. Are we going to get the eight-inch pipe or the six-inch pipe?
[42:47]
And I talked to, God love him, Kyle Siegel, and he said, "No way.
[42:51]
You're not getting nothing." But believe me.
[42:53]
But anyhow,
[42:55]
so the-
[42:56]
The water and sewer does run with it, by their depth, because they only dig things
[42:59]
out.
[43:00]
Within the-
[43:01]
And theirs is all done on water quality and fire flow.
[43:04]
Don't-
[43:05]
So it's different than a lot of-
[43:06]
It sounds like you do have line of sight, at least based on design being done,
[43:11]
based on some other moving parts, but that you do have some line of sight as to
[43:16]
what-
[43:16]
It would be helpful if we could get out the next, whenever you have good
[43:20]
confidence, which I think is 12 months, maybe 18.
[43:24]
Right.
[43:25]
And-
[43:25]
So we have those listed in our first FAQ sheet that we're putting out?
[43:30]
Okay.
[43:30]
Is that-
[43:31]
Is it with a map, too? Because when I say-
[43:35]
Yeah
[43:35]
... Pleasant from Rockaway to this and that-
[43:37]
Right
[43:37]
... most people, except I wish the fire chief, can't visualize the streets.
[43:44]
So all of them, so that would be helpful.
[43:47]
That's what-- And that was a sample of the map, and that won't be-
[43:51]
The other thing, I have a question about Evans Road, is if I go down to Kyle
[43:56]
Siegel's old house, God bless his soul, is that end unaccepted?
[44:01]
I keep hearing that end of Evans Road is an unaccepted road, that to Washington-
[44:04]
I'm sure it was across the street that's in question.
[44:07]
The end where it's-
[44:08]
On the other side of West Shore Drive. Yeah.
[44:10]
Oh, it's the other side?
[44:11]
That's what I thought, but I'll double-check that.
[44:13]
Okay. But a-
[44:15]
And I can't remember if-
[44:15]
... part of Evans is in question as being unaccepted, is that-
[44:18]
The extension, I think, but I don't-
[44:20]
Okay. I thought it was because the part by Kyle Siegel's old house, see, that's why
[44:25]
you need a map because people say, "What is this guy talking about?"
[44:28]
I know where Dr. Drethall lives, too, and I don't even know him.
[44:32]
Or did live.
[44:33]
Oh, okay. So Evans is on there. But I think the important part is when that facts
[44:37]
comes out, is the 12 to 18 months, and then there's a list-
[44:41]
I will tell you that I've gotten a lot of pushback because it kills me to pave a
[44:45]
road knowing that I have to dig it up to do all these utilities.
[44:48]
But common sense does say-
[44:51]
Yeah
[44:51]
... if it's going to be 10 years for a utility, you might as well pave.
[44:54]
So, okay, and I don't want it to be labored, but if Don Dolgov was here, he might
[44:59]
say, "I've got the 400th anniversary coming up in '29.
[45:04]
Is Washington Street going to be done?" That might be-
[45:07]
Mm-hmm
[45:08]
... and if the answer is yes, that's good. If it's no, whatever, fine.
[45:12]
And that's the kind of feedback we want to get, right?
[45:15]
Because that changes from a total street project, right?
[45:20]
Because that might slow it down-
[45:22]
Yeah
[45:22]
... waiting for the design. Pleasant Street, we've been talking about how to design
[45:26]
Pleasant Street now for-
[45:27]
Since 1998.
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Yeah.
[45:30]
I'm not kidding.
[45:31]
Only you and I on the last, that section.
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So that might be where you do what we're doing right now on Humphrey and the other
[45:39]
sections of Pleasant, but still need the utility upgrade. Let's just build that.
[45:42]
The 1998 conversation ends. So where are we on that design for Pleasant
[45:48]
Street?
[45:50]
I'm speaking off the cuff, but I think that was $18 million we were at right now.
[45:55]
No.
[45:59]
Is it completely designed?
[46:02]
So when will the design phase be done of that?
[46:05]
Of the portion you're going to-
[46:06]
Of the portion from-
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Yeah
[46:08]
... from, I think it was from Smith Street to Deborah Terrace.
[46:12]
Yes. I don't have a date on that. We meet with him tomorrow to get the exact-
[46:16]
But not-
[46:16]
There'll be a few months
[46:17]
... that's 48.
[46:18]
No, no. That little section. But I think that's what Marblehead needs to look at
[46:22]
doing is sections, not these humongous projects.
[46:26]
Yeah, like Jim said from his example this morning, that's obviously the-
[46:30]
Yeah
[46:30]
... probably one of the most critical areas in town.
[46:32]
And I just want to also highlight, so there was two fatalities.
[46:35]
One was a former planning board member, one was a high school student, and then
[46:39]
there was a critical bike accident at the trail crossing there, and it also spokes
[46:45]
out from the
[46:47]
trail, which is a utility corridor and the backbone to the town's active
[46:52]
transportation network. So it does link between your schools and gets you kind of
[46:57]
off that-
[46:57]
Almost every school
[46:58]
... yeah. When we wrote the grant application, you have to check a mile radius from
[47:04]
the project area, and we hit every public school.
[47:07]
Yeah.
[47:08]
So if we're picking the heart of Marblehead, we found it.
[47:12]
And-
[47:13]
I really hope we get awarded that grant.
[47:15]
Yeah.
[47:16]
Because that will allow us to do more work.
[47:17]
If we don't get awarded that grant, then everything I just said might get done, we
[47:21]
have to look at it again because funding always is going to shift.
[47:25]
Yeah. It's definitely worth
[47:29]
it.
[47:30]
And just to shift a little bit to the communication. So then what's next?
[47:33]
I think that FAQ page is going to be really big for the community to be able to
[47:37]
just kind of at least a starting point if they have more questions they can call.
[47:40]
But I know the FAQ page you have for water and sewer is really good.
[47:45]
It's very easy to use. It's one of the obvious questions people might have.
[47:50]
So I think that's going to be very useful, especially to Jim's point, just even
[47:54]
highlighting what part, year by year, 12 months at a time.
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Yes.
[47:59]
Knowing that things could change based on funding or priority or something else
[48:03]
happening.
[48:06]
But it sounds like there's a lot of good work here, and it's not easy.
[48:09]
And right now I think that FAQ page is going to have a stagnant map with things on
[48:14]
it.
[48:15]
Once we get to that interactive map, that's a whole different story.
[48:18]
Yeah. That's next level.
[48:20]
Yeah. That would be great. But right now you're going to have to stick with the map
[48:23]
that was in this presentation. Like-
[48:26]
So will the interactive-
[48:27]
... here's what fall is, here's what spring is.
[48:29]
Will the interactive map be like my job if enabling actually gets delayed all of a
[48:34]
sudden, the end project automatically gets delayed, tackling like a smart sheet or
[48:40]
something?
[48:43]
Probably.
[48:43]
I don't know the amount of that in the end, but...
[48:47]
You're going to click online on a street, and it will say, "This was paved in
[48:52]
2010." It'll just drop down-
[48:54]
No.
[48:54]
... that kind of thing.
[48:55]
Just with all that goes into changing this-
[48:57]
Project
[48:58]
... so you have a plan to do Washington Street, then National Grid told you, "I'm
[49:03]
going to be done with my work in April of 2028," and then you get a call, "Well,
[49:08]
it's-"
[49:09]
So we could definitely-
[49:10]
Yeah. And by the way, I heard they're thinking of canceling the yellow pipe
[49:15]
project, but we can work on that on a different day. But true, let's see.
[49:20]
Okay. Yeah.
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And that's why if National Grid's willing to put people here and put design in and
[49:27]
do it, I'm taking it as much as we can.
[49:29]
Here for safety.
[49:30]
Because I have heard that they're going to stop that.
[49:32]
And it does bother me that we have a cast iron pipe from 1901 that's still carrying
[49:36]
gas through-
[49:37]
Yeah
[49:37]
... a lot of these neighborhoods. So I'll take it.
[49:40]
Yeah.
[49:41]
And that's what they're addressing right now.
[49:42]
It's going to be very painful, though.
[49:44]
Washington Street, Front Street, Gregory Street, those are-
[49:46]
Sure
[49:47]
... very painful.
[49:49]
So I'd like to close off here. Thank you. This is very informative.
[49:55]
For those looking at it for the first time, it seems very simple, but I know from
[50:00]
sitting with you all, Louisa, I know you've helped these guys out.
[50:03]
There was a lot of hard work.
[50:04]
Thank you.
[50:05]
And seeing your different books, is it the blue book or the green book?
[50:08]
Green book.
[50:08]
Green book.
[50:10]
And all these different components that go in, and that you guys had this in your
[50:14]
minds and putting it on paper,
[50:17]
I know your engineering, to simplify this was, it's great.
[50:21]
So thank you for all the time you guys put into this.
[50:22]
I know that it was a big effort to compile years of information in one place, so I
[50:27]
think it's very helpful. Thank you very much.
[50:30]
Thank you. And thank you for your help, as that was very difficult for us to get
[50:33]
down to a simple workflow.
[50:35]
We just wanted a crayon.
[50:36]
Yeah.
[50:38]
Like everybody else. Give it to us.
[50:39]
Doing it in your mind for so long. Years with these. Forget it. So all right.
[50:45]
Well, thank you all.
[50:45]
Thanks, Mike.
[50:46]
Appreciate it.
[50:47]
Thank you.
[50:47]
All right. Moving on, we have a license revocation hearing for 257 Washington
[50:52]
Street, Hank Barrelman. There was a certified letter that went out
[50:58]
on September 11th to Benjamin Newman to both his private home as well as The
[51:03]
Barrelman. We do have a certified receipt that it was delivered.
[51:08]
It's attached in your packet.
[51:12]
Top of the mind, you guys have it in yours, too.
[51:14]
Mm-hmm.
[51:15]
Yes.
[51:15]
And it does not look like Ben is here.
[51:18]
The last communication that we did have from The Barrelman was back in July.
[51:24]
He was unable to attend our board meeting when he called us trying to update Ben,
[51:29]
and it looks like he was trying to clean up some issues, I will call
[51:35]
it, for certificates of standing for DOR and DUA.
[51:40]
And as most people probably know that he did sell the property.
[51:45]
However, the liquor license still stays with him and that property until it's
[51:49]
transferred. So with him not being here tonight, we do have a couple of options.
[51:56]
We can actually vote to revoke the license.
[52:02]
Oh, no, I'm sorry. Sorry. So we can vote to continue,
[52:06]
or we could vote to definitely suspend the license due to failure to appear, and to
[52:10]
send notice that license need to appear before the board at the next meeting of
[52:13]
October 14th. Now, suspending the license doesn't take it away, suspends it.
[52:18]
It's giving a notice at that time, if he doesn't show up again, we then have the
[52:21]
right to revoke it.
[52:22]
Did we hear anything from him why he wouldn't be here tonight?
[52:26]
No.
[52:27]
This receipt just said unveiled it. We didn't get that.
[52:30]
We didn't get to that.
[52:30]
Right, but I mean-
[52:31]
I'm sorry.
[52:31]
Right. Okay.
[52:33]
Yep. No.
[52:35]
And I'm sorry to interrupt. Just briefly, do you have choices we have?
[52:38]
So
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we can start the revocation process. We can vote to wait about six months. No?
[52:46]
I think he needs to be in front of us.
[52:48]
He needs to be in front of us. So I think our only option tonight
[52:52]
is to-- I thought he had to-- Is suspend the license or not act at all.
[52:58]
Correct?
[53:00]
So we could suspend the license indefinitely, and then we would send notice and ask
[53:05]
him to come back to our next meeting, at which time he has the right to come and
[53:09]
ask us to give us his plan, basically, on how he plans to move forward.
[53:14]
We haven't heard anything. He did sell this.
[53:17]
I understand that he has sold his property to Honeycomb.
[53:20]
Looks like they are doing some work in there.
[53:22]
And the next step, regardless, even if he still had his license, was to apply for
[53:27]
renewal in November, which in order to get that, there are a bunch of conditions
[53:31]
which would include the chief going in, passing permits, inspection, all that type
[53:36]
of stuff, which to my layman's eye, doesn't look like he's going to be there
[53:39]
anyway. This is not just one more thing here.
[53:43]
According to him, and I think we've got some different things, but according to
[53:47]
him, the last operating day at The Barrelman was New Year's Eve of last year, so
[53:52]
12/31/2025.
[53:55]
And so he's been aware that he's had to do something with this?
[53:58]
Correct.
[53:59]
So I would lean towards the suspension until he can come in here.
[54:05]
I think suspending it gives him a, at least, elevates us
[54:11]
to the next level, lets him know, and the new owners, if they want to come in,
[54:17]
and put some pressure on him to get in front of us.
[54:20]
I think we have a right to know what's going on with a license that has not been
[54:24]
used for 10 months, basically.
[54:28]
Yeah, because we have limited licenses.
[54:29]
We have limited licenses to begin with.
[54:32]
So
[54:33]
I would tend to lean that way as well.
[54:36]
And if we did suspend it, if
[54:40]
Mr. Newman could
[54:43]
get it back if he was so declined.
[54:45]
Yeah.
[54:46]
How long does that suspension last before it's revoked?
[54:50]
So it would be indefinite suspension.
[54:54]
And then, in theory,
[54:56]
we could
[54:59]
Revoke as of March 23rd, correct? So based on when we gave him the notice, we
[55:05]
could revoke on March 23rd, which is my birthday, for anyone paying attention,
[55:10]
of 2027.
[55:13]
Okay.
[55:13]
Yep. So it's-
[55:14]
So there would be six months.
[55:17]
Yeah.
[55:17]
Yeah,
[55:20]
we have an empty storefront-
[55:21]
Fair
[55:21]
... a building that could probably be somewhere. And I hate to discourage that.
[55:27]
Without question, I think what we would like to think.
[55:29]
So just so you are aware,
[55:32]
if we suspend tonight-
[55:33]
Yeah
[55:34]
... we will send out notice again for October 14th.
[55:37]
If he does not appear-
[55:39]
Yeah
[55:39]
... then, or hear from him, we have the right, according to ABCC, to revoke on
[55:43]
October 14th.
[55:45]
Okay.
[55:45]
But we can speed that up for failure to show up twice in a row.
[55:49]
Once with initial notice, and on the second one on Catherine being suspended.
[55:52]
And I'm sorry, kind of, Kyle, you mentioned something about being in person.
[55:57]
What was that for, to revoke?
[55:59]
Well, they said the six-month process would start if he was in person tonight, if
[56:04]
he wanted to start the revocation process.
[56:07]
But since he didn't show up tonight,
[56:11]
they suggest to suspend, and then after the second time, he could revoke.
[56:17]
Okay. So if we suspend tonight, and he shows up, then we could have a conversation,
[56:22]
at least hear his side.
[56:23]
Yeah.
[56:24]
And then we could start the revocation process then, because he's in person.
[56:29]
If he doesn't show up, we have the right to revoke on October 14th.
[56:35]
Am I
[56:36]
saying that right?
[56:37]
Yeah. If he doesn't show up, you have the right to revoke him-
[56:39]
Yeah
[56:39]
... to meet. If he shows up, that kicks off the six-month process.
[56:43]
Yeah.
[56:45]
And if we did revoke at the next meeting, then?
[56:50]
We then send certified mail and notify the ABC.
[56:54]
At that point, I'm assuming he has a right to
[57:00]
appeal. And then if not, the liquor license would come back to the town.
[57:03]
From a notice standpoint, can we make sure the address is correct and everything?
[57:07]
Just double-check.
[57:08]
Right off his application.
[57:09]
Okay. Yeah, I just want to make sure, since we didn't get the green card back.
[57:13]
Correct.
[57:13]
Right. I know sometimes we don't...
[57:16]
Just make sure that he's getting the notices and that's all.
[57:22]
Okay.
[57:23]
More questions, sir?
[57:24]
Yeah,
[57:26]
I don't have a big problem with the suspension either.
[57:29]
Seems like the owner, and is the owner of the liquor license, does have some
[57:34]
additional opportunity to--
[57:38]
We're a little bit low on forum, but I guess if it's 3-0, then
[57:45]
the math works.
[57:46]
Yeah, I don't think it's something we're making our final decision.
[57:48]
Yeah, I would feel very uncomfortable revoking without having all five people here.
[57:52]
Correct.
[57:52]
Yeah.
[57:52]
Yeah. And the restaurant industry's been
[57:58]
real tough and stuff like that, and I don't know all the things.
[58:01]
I'm a little bit sympathetic, but this will have some
[58:06]
leeway to come in and-
[58:08]
It does. On the other side of that, we do have some empty spaces, big spaces that
[58:13]
in the event that we do get it back, I'm sure there's some other people who could
[58:16]
use that.
[58:16]
Yeah. Well, I'm also thinking, again, I'm not trying to play business developer-
[58:20]
Yeah
[58:20]
... but if there is someone that's trying to get in that space that currently wants
[58:23]
the license-
[58:24]
Right
[58:24]
... that's what it is.
[58:25]
Well, that means-
[58:27]
That's the next. So if I could have a motion to indefinitely suspend the license
[58:32]
due to failure to appear, and to send notice to the licensee to appear before the
[58:36]
board at the next meeting on October 14th for license number
[58:39]
00024-RS-0657.
[58:44]
So moved.
[58:45]
Second.
[58:46]
We don't need to poll this, do we? Okay. All in favor? Okay.
[58:53]
Moving along.
[58:55]
Next up, we are going to go back and review the Selectboard goals that we did at
[59:00]
our retreat over the summer.
[59:03]
I think, Patrick, you put together
[59:08]
a memo for us, sort of going over it all.
[59:10]
It's great how you've broken it down based on financial management and the
[59:14]
different sections that it falls in.
[59:15]
I think what we did discuss, or I know what we did discuss at our retreat was that
[59:22]
in order to stay on top of this, clearly a lot of these don't fall necessarily
[59:25]
directly to the Selectboard, that a lot of this is going to be done by
[59:30]
town administrator and staff. However, communication and tracking it is something
[59:35]
that we can take some responsibility for to make sure, and this all doesn't fall on
[59:40]
one person. So I don't know if, Patrick, you want to go over a quick overview of
[59:44]
what you put together for us, and then we can have a discussion and maybe assign or
[59:49]
volunteer for individual goals. And then what I'd like to see is throughout the
[59:54]
year, have an update on where we are on these so they don't just fall into the
[59:58]
background, and we can track them, and people can keep them moving forward.
[1:00:02]
So, if I was to summarize the outcome of the retreat, I would
[1:00:08]
put it the board's goals are centered on stronger financial oversight, preparing
[1:00:13]
the organization for leadership transition, improving accountability and
[1:00:18]
performance management, strengthening long-term capital planning, modernizing
[1:00:23]
communications and governance, and making deliberate decisions about key town
[1:00:27]
assets. That's the top level, so it breaks out into 13 goals
[1:00:35]
that are listed on the pages.
[1:00:41]
And let's quickly run through it. Number one, monthly financial reporting.
[1:00:47]
Number two is a quarterly town school financial review.
[1:00:51]
And we're anticipating that in October.
[1:00:56]
Procurement of major services.
[1:00:59]
Independent operational review.
[1:01:02]
So that's having someone come in and look at how we're structured and organized.
[1:01:08]
Leadership transition succession.
[1:01:11]
So that's developing succession planning, not just because of town administrator
[1:01:15]
position transition, but looking at the top levels of the organization, department
[1:01:20]
heads. And so what the longer-term succession plan is for that.
[1:01:26]
Performance management.
[1:01:29]
Basically, the board wants to implement its annual evaluation process for the town
[1:01:34]
administrator, and have the town administrator have a goal of implementing at the
[1:01:39]
department head level. Selectboard liaison assignments, so that's members of this
[1:01:43]
board liaison with other boards and committees of the town.
[1:01:50]
By-law review,
[1:01:52]
to do administrative
[1:01:55]
look at all the by-laws. And as it was highlighted,
[1:02:00]
that I was emphasizing is looking at the personnel by-laws, the priority to update.
[1:02:06]
Capital planning committee, to strengthen that committee's role.
[1:02:11]
Long-term capital and debt forecasting.
[1:02:14]
Develop a forward-looking forecast of capital needs.
[1:02:18]
Townwide communications. Establish communication best practices.
[1:02:23]
Amy and Maggie had touched about one component of that in the realm of
[1:02:29]
infrastructure work, but also more broadly for the town.
[1:02:35]
GFOA-aligned strategic budget document.
[1:02:39]
So that's the main document that ties your goals
[1:02:45]
to the funding mechanism, your budgets, and your department head goals.
[1:02:49]
That's the document that links all of this together.
[1:02:53]
And then the Turner Road, AKA, the former coffin school,
[1:02:59]
determine the highest and best use and was updated. That is in process.
[1:03:03]
So those are the 13 top-level goals that were discussed with a whole bunch
[1:03:09]
of detail and specific action items behind those.
[1:03:16]
Great.
[1:03:18]
Open to hearing, does it make sense to just go through the list?
[1:03:21]
Or do we have a discussion? Does this accurately represent?
[1:03:24]
Yeah.
[1:03:25]
I feel like they've done a great job of summarizing what we did with some more
[1:03:27]
details, like how we have immediate follow-up actions, and also discussing some of
[1:03:33]
the things that we talked about, but weren't necessarily dropped as goals to
[1:03:38]
move forward with, because it's a good way to track this.
[1:03:41]
I would propose that we go through one by one, and either decide whether or not.
[1:03:47]
There appears to be, there's some here we don't even need somebody to be tracking.
[1:03:50]
Like for instance, the coffin school, what's happening.
[1:03:52]
Right.
[1:03:52]
I don't think we need a lead on that one.
[1:03:55]
Right.
[1:03:55]
But to go through.
[1:03:56]
Yeah. No, because I think we did talk about who would be doing some of them anyway
[1:04:00]
at that meeting.
[1:04:01]
Yeah.
[1:04:01]
Because I already know kind of the ones I had mentioned. So, yeah.
[1:04:06]
So let's just make sure, just go through on monthly financial reporting.
[1:04:09]
So- Establishment size monthly report that highlights material budget variances,
[1:04:15]
revenue trends, risks, and emerging concerns.
[1:04:18]
Feels to me like that is in process and will be developed as part of what's
[1:04:23]
going to be reported on the MOU, and then we can do that movement up,
[1:04:30]
basically to being compliant with the MOU and to follow up with that.
[1:04:34]
I feel like that is a good next one.
[1:04:35]
I think it's a subset. Yeah.
[1:04:36]
Yeah.
[1:04:36]
No, I think so. I'm working with Molly as a lead for the MOU.
[1:04:42]
What we consider really a best practice would be the quarterly update.
[1:04:46]
And so I think the monthly financial reporting is going to flow out of that.
[1:04:50]
That's going to get established, and then we can go to the monthly version.
[1:04:54]
Yep. And I see somebody sitting over in the corner here who's going to be very
[1:04:57]
helpful with that. Nick?
[1:04:59]
Yes, Nick. Thank you very much.
[1:05:01]
Thank you. Yep, that's it.
[1:05:01]
Nick has been working with Molly, and I've been working with Molly.
[1:05:04]
So, it sounds like one
[1:05:08]
and two, you're sort of working on already, continue to work on with Anna.
[1:05:13]
Yep.
[1:05:13]
And I honestly don't think it's a ton of input here.
[1:05:18]
I think we're going to know pretty soon what this looks like.
[1:05:21]
But if we're going to assign anybody. Feel good?
[1:05:25]
Yeah, no, totally. I think we're on track for October.
[1:05:28]
Yeah. I think there's a couple of moving parts going on.
[1:05:32]
The migration, implementation of UNIS, which gives us a whole lot of accounting
[1:05:38]
reporting capability.
[1:05:41]
There is ongoing work to clean up the chart of accounts to make it-- Right?
[1:05:45]
And actually, a little much work. There's a ton of work going on in the background
[1:05:50]
for those things. The point being that even as we start this process of
[1:05:55]
reporting,
[1:05:58]
it'll get better and better as time goes.
[1:06:00]
Mm-hmm.
[1:06:00]
Because our tools are going to get settled in.
[1:06:04]
What information that's being reported out, what will happen is you might get a
[1:06:10]
whole bunch of data, and you'll look at it and say, "I don't know what this means."
[1:06:13]
And then you do a different version.
[1:06:15]
You say, "Okay, now this presented this way is very useful." So it'll
[1:06:20]
be refined as you go so that it's a more useful information tool as we go.
[1:06:25]
So the point being, whatever you do on the first set,
[1:06:31]
it may change over time.
[1:06:32]
Well, we're going to get feedback on what's helpful.
[1:06:33]
Yeah, of course. No, of course. It'll evolve, right?
[1:06:37]
But in speaking to Molly, and working again with Nick as well, we're confident that
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we can report on something-
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Yeah
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... in October and at least start, right?
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We have to start with-
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We'll have the quarterly report, as discussed, mid-October
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with the chairs discuss, and then the plan
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is on October 28th, that'll be reported back to the full board, and we'll use
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that first quarterly as our monthly, three monthly updates.
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Yeah.
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And then we can use that, and we'll give feedback on what's helpful, what isn't.
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And we'll ultimately-
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Yeah, we just have to start somewhere, and then we'll-- But yes, it'll evolve.
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So number three, I think with that, am I right?
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I think for that would be, you feel comfortable-
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Yeah
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... since that was, I think you brought that, Aaron.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think actually, that kind of falls into the first two, because as we look at
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the monthly reporting and quarterly reporting, we'll see if there's big cost
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centers.
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Mm-hmm.
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And we did one of my favorite subjects,
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Lee played right into my hand about the legal costs this week in the comment.
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And as we move forward with the budget, I think for next year, we should look
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forward, if we're spending that level of money on legal services,
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maybe the schools and towns should look to maybe come back to the same level.
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But I think, yeah, that would be wise to do that.
[1:08:03]
Okay. So the independent operational review, which is a thing that we put out for
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bid, didn't get anyone. I think you do have an update on that as well, correct?
[1:08:11]
Yeah. So I'm working with the call center.
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Once again,
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we're lining someone up for them to come in and start that process.
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So yeah, we put it on the street. Nobody bit on it.
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One of the advantages of the call center, they're a government entity, so we can
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just engage into an agreement, and they can proceed.
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So I'll have a little more information soon as to who exactly and when things will
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start.
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In the cost.
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In the cost, yeah. I'm estimating about 25,000.
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So,
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that's my estimated number. This is a high-level review of the organization, so I
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don't think it's not analyzing deep every position
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and things of that sort, so I think that'd be-
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But it's looking at different boards, maybe how they can work out together.
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Yeah.
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Efficiencies, looking at-
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Cross-departmental stuff. Yeah.
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I'm going to put Aaron on that one-
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Yeah
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... since he drove that. Sound fair? Leadership transition and succession.
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I don't remember who brought that one. Anybody here?
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I may have been part of that.
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Okay.
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I think I was-- I'm not going to claim-
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Full
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... full credit, but the next two I was.
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So I would like to say number five goes to Aaron as well, if that's good.
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And then number six, performance management is all you.
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Yeah.
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I think that you brought that, and you had some background in that.
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Yeah, and I think what we talked about was that actually back in the day, was kind
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of surprised that he wasn't going to have a performance-
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Right
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... review.
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Yeah.
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And I think the way forward is, I think we all agree that the new town
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administrator, that would be in the contract.
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And that would, I think, be a good way to tee it off for the new person.
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I'm being reviewed, so-
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Yeah
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... that can flow down from there.
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And does Tom Howard have some type of-- Can he start working on that,
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recommendations on what that looks like? Or where would that come from?
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So there are plenty of example contracts.
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So the first step, as far as the town initiative?
[1:10:18]
Well, not the contract, but actually like-
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The review
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... the review.
[1:10:21]
Oh, that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. We can reach out to the HR-
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Network
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... network, is to get the evaluation forms.
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Okay.
[1:10:30]
Yeah, certainly, if he can get that rolling in advance of the town administrator.
[1:10:34]
Well, we should have it for the town administrator contract, but then
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we have some ideas in place for the new town administrator.
[1:10:42]
I think it'd be nice to propose something that they-
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Yeah
[1:10:45]
... but it takes a little time to gather, so if he could, I don't know, start-
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Yeah
[1:10:49]
... gathering.
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So moving on to number seven.
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I'd like to take that one if everyone's okay with that.
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Yeah, I think you have to take it.
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You'll take that from-
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The ethics.
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Yeah, ethics.
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Yep.
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And I think I'm going to start, I mentioned what I'd like to do is start meeting
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with other chairs to start and then expand from there.
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Yep.
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So I'm working on that bylaw review.
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That's me.
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That's definitely not me.
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No, Aaron and I have already talked about that.
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Okay. All right. For those, we'll go Ari.
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And we'll start with personnel after.
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Yeah.
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Because we were like, where do we start?
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Because that's hopefully actually-
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Okay.
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Yeah. So we're on that.
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The output planning committee.
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Feels-
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Noonan.
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Yeah, that's Noonan.
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Long-term capital and debt forecast.
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I don't feel like that necessarily sits with the board.
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I think it's a goal to make sure that is happening with our new head of finance.
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I almost feel like that comes into play with that monthly reporting and financial
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oversight.
[1:11:54]
Yeah. Don't we have a committee?
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Well, yeah, the debt forecast. So I almost feel like nine and ten go together.
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But we also already have this chart in lots of ways-
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Yeah
[1:12:08]
... Alicia put together, and I think you guys have that, how much
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debt we have-
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Yeah
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... what our obligations are, and when they fade off.
[1:12:18]
And I think what it's doing is taking that and overlaying it with future capital
[1:12:22]
projects to keep that level.
[1:12:24]
So there is the capital planning committee.
[1:12:30]
Once they figure out, they do a review and for recommendation to town meeting.
[1:12:36]
The actual capital planning is primarily at the professional staff, department
[1:12:42]
head level, where we put together, because you have your vehicle equipment, rolling
[1:12:48]
stock, walls and fences, facilities.
[1:12:52]
So that's more of an internal process, and then those projects that rise over a
[1:12:58]
certain threshold of a million dollars or above are the ones that then go to that
[1:13:04]
capital planning committee. So the point being that a lot of your capital debt is
[1:13:09]
more of an internal process that gets presented to the boards that accept it.
[1:13:14]
I think we also, a part of this is just evaluating that.
[1:13:17]
Yeah.
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Is it doing what it's supposed to do? Should it be composed differently?
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It hadn't been realized.
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Town-wide communications
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That was me.
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Unless you want it, Dan.
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So yeah, I'm happy to let you do that. I think we know who number 12 is.
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The FOA is Moses, whether he wants it or not, that is his baby.
[1:13:42]
And then the Turner Road property, as I mentioned before, I don't think...
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Where, obviously, we have-- Maybe this comes into play if we don't choose somebody,
[1:13:51]
or if we don't get applications for-
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But there's going to be a committee, right?
[1:13:54]
Yes. We're going to put together that committee, which after we'll convene.
[1:13:57]
Yeah.
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Yes. So, I think we're going to have a committee on that already.
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I would say whoever ends up on the committee-
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Yeah
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... goes with that.
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I don't feel any need to have more discussion on this. Everyone good? Great. Jim?
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Yeah.
[1:14:11]
All right. Great. After our discussion on flexible work policy.
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Yeah, so I have
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sent it to you electronically also, so you can review at your leisure.
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So I had mentioned I was putting together a flexible workplace policy.
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I went back. One, I am on the MMA's policy committee on labor
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and personnel, and so we had a meeting last week in Boston, and this was actually
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one of the topics that was discussed.
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Not the marblehead one, but just in general.
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And the MMA shared their best practice, which I have on the next page
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down on this. And I just wanted to do that, get some additional
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communities as references, as well as conversation with the other
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members of the policy committee. So with all that input, I've created an updated,
[1:15:10]
revised version. So it's not just flexible
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location, which is what I was putting together initially, but it
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would involve the options of hybrid, remote work, temporary arrangements,
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which was flex.
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Starting, flexible starting and end times, compressed schedules,
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hybrid work, remote work, and temporary arrangements.
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So the whole idea is giving department heads a number of tools to
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address workforce,
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providing flexibility for the workforce.
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The key ingredient here,
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whatever
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flexible arrangements are done, are done in the interest of the town,
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to meet all of its
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duties and needs. So I can lay that out in the top of memo.
[1:16:14]
But we are trying to respond to, one, the situation with the construction at Mary
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Alley. That's sort of driving it along.
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But also workforce expectations.
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As we're hiring new people coming in,
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the expectation in the workforce is having
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more flexibility arrangements. It's recognizing all the challenges that
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as a municipality, we provide a wide range of services and functions.
[1:16:46]
So, not all positions are conducive.
[1:16:50]
By adding some of the other flexibility options, it does allow us to
[1:16:57]
expand the number of employees that may be eligible for some type of flexibility.
[1:17:03]
So the original just remote work is great if you work in an office environment.
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It doesn't work for you if you're on the street.
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But if arrangements of compressed work times, altering times,
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that opens up the workforce that would be eligible for some type of options.
[1:17:21]
Interesting. Yeah.
[1:17:22]
The key factor is this is the decision of being able to do this is at the
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department head working with HR, working with the town manager at a level.
[1:17:33]
There are no expectations of this. This is not a benefit. It can be revoked.
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It can be altered at the town's needs.
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So there's setting clarification that what comes first is
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meeting the service needs of the town first, and then doing those things that are
[1:17:54]
available to accommodate the workforce demands.
[1:17:57]
I also read in there that clearly anyone under collective bargaining, this doesn't
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go into effect for that. They would have to go back-
[1:18:06]
Sure
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... to be part of the agreements with the affected unions.
[1:18:09]
Yeah. So if the board were to accept this, it would immediately apply
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to the, in here, the non-represented, meaning the non-union-
[1:18:19]
Mm-hmm
[1:18:19]
... it would apply.
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For any of the collective bargaining units that are not going to be you folks, we
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would have to sit down and make an agreement with them for it to affect them.
[1:18:32]
And this excludes anybody on the school side.
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Sure.
[1:18:35]
So this is town side only. So any employees that fall under the school community
[1:18:40]
are not part of this. School committee manages that side of the house.
[1:18:47]
So the immediate effect would be for non-union, and then obviously I've already
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given the union president a heads up that this is forthcoming and we'll sit down
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and discuss.
[1:18:59]
I think the HR support is going to be really important-
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Yes
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... there for sure for the department heads.
[1:19:05]
And then I noticed you talked about a flexible, a written arrangement.
[1:19:11]
Yeah.
[1:19:12]
That again, sounds great, but for the practicality of that,
[1:19:16]
again, they're going to need help.
[1:19:17]
Yeah.
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For sure with that.
[1:19:20]
Yeah, I mean, there's some flexibility in that.
[1:19:22]
So of what we've had is, I remember the morning we all showed up when the Mary
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Alley building was broken into. And
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I just issued the order, "Everybody's working remote. Grab your laptop.
[1:19:37]
Here you go."
[1:19:38]
Mm-hmm.
[1:19:38]
And we actually were able to maintain levels of productivity even though folks
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couldn't go in the building for a day or so.
[1:19:46]
So there are short-term situations where it'll mostly be a verbal
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go.
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And there's some definitions in here on categories of flexibility, of ad hoc versus
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long-term, and then there's a 30-day.
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Even in the long-term, there's a 30-day
[1:20:09]
initial one, evaluate, and then permission to continue the practice on
[1:20:15]
the longer term.
[1:20:17]
Yeah. And is there timing on this that you would like us to
[1:20:23]
go back to you with?
[1:20:24]
If you're ready. So
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sort of tying along with the project at Mary Alley right now, the work that's being
[1:20:30]
done is not being very impactful to us or the building.
[1:20:35]
In two weeks or four weeks, that may change on us.
[1:20:38]
My desire would be, if you're ready at the next meeting-
[1:20:41]
Yeah
[1:20:42]
... we can do it. If you-
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And there'll be comments about individuals.
[1:20:46]
Yeah.
[1:20:46]
Specifics getting too direct with-
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I think that board can resolve
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... along those lines, like for collectors, drivers where people drop stuff off,
[1:20:55]
what will happen to the Mary Alley?
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So the plan is so up where they are now-
[1:20:59]
Yeah
[1:20:59]
... unaffected.
[1:21:00]
Oh, it is?
[1:21:01]
They're doing the lower level.
[1:21:02]
Okay.
[1:21:03]
They're doing all the conference rooms.
[1:21:06]
Mm-hmm.
[1:21:06]
When that is done, we're actually going to move those services into the conference
[1:21:11]
room, and that'll be the customer service-
[1:21:15]
Gotcha
[1:21:15]
... area while the other parts of the building are being done.
[1:21:19]
Sounds like you guys actually planned this out. This is, yeah. Awesome. All right.
[1:21:24]
I'm good. Good work.
[1:21:26]
Yeah.
[1:21:26]
All right. Let's move on to agenda item number nine, consent to agenda items.
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If I could have a motion to approve the following consent to agenda items subject
[1:21:34]
to usual rules or additional fees.
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Minutes of May 27th, August 12th, and September 9th to 26th.
[1:21:42]
Abbott Hall, Marblehead High School, and Veterans Memorial Middle School Art Show,
[1:21:45]
May 10th through the 26th of 26th. Opening rece--
[1:21:53]
These dates right?
[1:21:55]
Yeah. May 10th through the 26th.
[1:21:56]
It's included for the whole month, but they have an exhibit.
[1:21:58]
But they don't really pass. Am I just getting really tired?
[1:22:02]
Yeah.
[1:22:02]
Is it supposed to be 27th?
[1:22:04]
27th.
[1:22:04]
Okay. Just want to make sure.
[1:22:07]
So next, 27th.
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And I'm assuming that these are all... Yeah. Okay.
[1:22:15]
So Veterans Memorial School Art Show, May 10th through 26th, 2027.
[1:22:20]
Opening reception, May 18th, 2027, Abbott Hall.
[1:22:23]
Congressman Moulton's Veterans Town Hall, November 11th, 2026.
[1:22:28]
Chamber of Commerce, Trick-or-Treat, Temple Park restrictions, October 29th, 2026.
[1:22:33]
Subject to approval from police and fire.
[1:22:35]
Chamber of Commerce sidewalk sale, Saturday, October 3rd, 2016, subject to
[1:22:39]
compliance with all ADA, fire zoning, building codes.
[1:22:43]
DPW request for Roundhouse Road annual cleanup, October 19th,
[1:22:49]
2026.
[1:22:51]
Abbott Hall, September 26th, bowling, park wedding, and MHS All Sports Boosters
[1:22:57]
annual door-to-door canvas on Sunday October 18th, 2026 from 12 noon to
[1:23:03]
3:00 PM.
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Move.
[1:23:07]
Second.
[1:23:08]
In favor.
[1:23:10]
Unanimous. Moving on. We have reappointment of a registrar.
[1:23:15]
We have one that is appointed by the Democratic
[1:23:21]
Town Committee. This one is coming from Republican Town Committee.
[1:23:24]
They have asked us, provided response, that we approve Timothy Swiger's
[1:23:30]
appointment to Registrar of Voters, and that it is the unanimous intention of their
[1:23:35]
members.
[1:23:39]
Do I have a motion to appoint Timothy Swiger Registrar of Voters for the term to
[1:23:42]
expire in June of 2028?
[1:23:44]
So moved.
[1:23:45]
Second.
[1:23:46]
All in favor?
[1:23:48]
How about the
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vodka?
[1:23:51]
Just a little bit.
[1:23:54]
So we have some contracts. These all-- Oh, I didn't look.
[1:23:59]
Because I don't have my glasses on. Here's what I thought.
[1:24:04]
These are all historical commission.
[1:24:09]
First contract is, if I could have motion approved, contract 26-67 for mechanical
[1:24:14]
engineering services between the town and GGD Consulting Engineers Inc., not to
[1:24:18]
exceed $24,400. Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.
[1:24:22]
So moved.
[1:24:23]
Second.
[1:24:24]
In favor? If I could have a motion to approve contract 26-67 for structural
[1:24:29]
engineering service between the town and Gale Associates Inc.
[1:24:32]
not to exceed $29,700. Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.
[1:24:37]
So moved.
[1:24:38]
Second.
[1:24:38]
In favor? And a motion to approve contract for architectural services between the
[1:24:43]
town and Nilsson and Studio Associates not to exceed $25,000.
[1:24:48]
Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.
[1:24:51]
So moved. Second. Yeah, I just have one thing of discussion on that before we vote.
[1:24:56]
Yep.
[1:24:57]
It says Ed is doing it pro bono, which is great.
[1:25:00]
But then, oh, I guess it's reimbursables.
[1:25:02]
If he has reimbursables, he needs-
[1:25:05]
Not-- Right.
[1:25:06]
Okay. Directly reimbursable to someone else.
[1:25:08]
And that's all coming from there. Yep.
[1:25:10]
Yeah.
[1:25:10]
Yeah.
[1:25:11]
Gotcha.
[1:25:11]
My understanding, ran it through commission with Adam and chilled it.
[1:25:15]
Yeah, he can do that.
[1:25:17]
He can do this role.
[1:25:19]
Yeah, I'm sure. I've known him. Yes, I'm sure he would.
[1:25:21]
Yeah.
[1:25:21]
So we've got a motion and a second. All in favor?
[1:25:25]
Approved.
[1:25:26]
And if I could have a motion to approve contract for survey services between the
[1:25:29]
Town and John Punchin for $50,000. Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.
[1:25:34]
So moved.
[1:25:35]
So moved.
[1:25:36]
And that is for contract number 26-65. All in favor? All right.
[1:25:41]
That was paid for by the grant you all approved-
[1:25:43]
That they-
[1:25:44]
... last month
[1:25:45]
Okay, great.
[1:25:47]
Moving on. We have a one-day liquor license, Little Harbor Printmakers
[1:25:51]
Collaborative on October 19th. I have a motion to approve the application for the
[1:25:55]
following one-day liquor license from Little Harbor Printmakers Collaborative,
[1:25:58]
October 19th, 2026 from 7:00 PM to 10:00 PM for beer and wine only at Abbott
[1:26:03]
Library, Pleasant Street, subject to the following conditions.
[1:26:07]
Delivery of and receipt by licensed authority of required fee of $50.
[1:26:10]
Delivery of and receipt by licensed authority of proof that the alcohol be
[1:26:13]
purchased from an authorized source.
[1:26:15]
Proof that applicant can receive proper delivery, provide proper storage and
[1:26:18]
disposal of all alcohol beverages purchased all in accordance with the requirements
[1:26:21]
of GLC 138. Liquor liability insurance.
[1:26:24]
No alcohol is allowed to remain on premises unattended overnight.
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And alcohol will be purchased from True North Ales.
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So moved.
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Second. It's approved.
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Withholding?
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In favor.
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Does it-- Mr. Zitin?
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In favor.
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Mr. Potter?
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In favor.
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And last but not least, we have received letters of interest from Donald Henrik for
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CONCOM and Andy Garnets for harbors and waters.
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So what we usually do here is we set some deadlines for applications and then also
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for interviews.
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Why don't we give them
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till-- Why don't we set the interviews for the 28th, and why don't
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we close that out, Kyle, the 23rd?
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Yeah.
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The Friday before. Great. Any select board announcements?
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I have two very brief ones.
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Okay.
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Okay. Dan and I last week attended-
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Okay
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... South Essex Storage, I guess open house.
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And just two comments on that is, one, that I've driven by there 32 million times
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in my life, maybe 35. It was bigger and more technically complex than I thought.
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Bigger, it was an understatement because I'd gone by it on the water and the
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roadside and never been in.
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Stuff went underground.
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Yeah, underground. A lot of it's underground.
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The other thing, David Masterson did talk about the $400 million elephant, if
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you will, which is a lot of money, but I felt a little bit better about it.
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There's five communities, and we're the smallest, so 190,000
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population it serves. We're 20. So roughly, we're just 10% of that, rough numbers.
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But with that said, some of the work associated with it, like we've already done
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our pipeline. In walking through this, there is essentially Roble head property on
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the site, like the intake, and then it's, oh, by the way, that's Beverly's and
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Danvers' intake over there. And the last thing he impressed me with
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is they have 16 different cost centers for all the spending there.
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And as he said, I love this, you can tell when engineers in charge want to break
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down the expenses. But the important part of that is, it's not like going out to
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dinner with five different couples and someone gets six drinks and dessert.
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They really break down
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what you pay for. And we pay forward our pipes, for instance.
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So, it's going to be a hit. It's going to be over time, but I don't think it's
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going to be
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end-of-the-world type yet.
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I think I was also impressed by really the need for it-
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Yeah
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... from an operational standpoint and their fixed costs.
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They're getting rid of the sludge, if we take away the cost of having to move that
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by diesel.
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Yeah.
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And also the fact that there's not going to be a place for it in Massachusetts.
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And looking at some of it, they actually talked about some things that have
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happened that we didn't know about-
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Yeah
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... that could be catastrophic and what would happen-
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Yeah
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... in the event of a contempt decree.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, it has turned into a little bit of a political game over there to get this
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through.
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Yeah.
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But it's pretty clear that it's necessary.
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Yeah. And they do it, I think, every six months, and it's open to the public.
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So I would say-
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It's important
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... it's really worth going to.
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Well, and to look at that water that comes out at the end-
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Yeah
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... which is clear as can be.
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It is.
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It's impressive what they're doing over there.
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It's incredible. Yeah.
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We learned a lot.
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A lot.
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A lot of stuff we didn't want to learn, either.
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Yeah.
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Forget about your dog poo bags. Like, that's not... Yeah, no, it's incredible.
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If there's any questions, fine. The only other thing, I'm enrolled in the Police
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Academy 2.0, so you have your next chief right here.
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Okay.
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Actually, I'm over the age limit, but otherwise, I think I'd be a great candidate.
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But Thatcher
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Thatcher gives a lecture every year, and a very good one, and he spoke for a little
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bit over an hour. And when he concluded it, Lieutenant Ozzie Ostrovich said
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this is his last lecture because he's going to be moving on.
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And I'll just say, there's about 25 people in the class, and one of the class
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members stood up and said, "We wanted to thank you for everything you did for the
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town." And there was a big ovation.
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And I think it's maybe the first of many, or certainly one of many that's going to
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be over the next few months. And it was really-- We all know superintendents and
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town administrators can be punching bags at times, but this was a mixed group of
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people that really-- It was a genuine recognition, so that was good.
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So that's another thing, if anyone ever gets the time to take that police academy,
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it's really enlightening. So that's it.
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All right. Thank you. All right. With that, can I have a motion to adjourn?
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So moved.
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Second.
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All in favor?
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All right. Thank you all.