[0:00] Yes. Everything heats up at the end of the day. They're saying it's from the state of really some point. Yeah, but that's nice for a chain. I mean, see, see if you hear us okay. We can't hear you. Yeah. Yeah, can you hear me? Let me just turn up the volume a little bit here, working with the laptop. Can you hear me now?

[0:33] Yeah, that sounds better right? I can hear you. Well, you won't be able to see all of us, but I'll put the mayor on screen.

[0:45] All right. I can hear you. We got cats here. Jennifer. Rich is over here. Rich Robinson.

[0:57] Northern Tamarral. We have corn. Yeah, we have fruit. Zoom. So we have 40 minutes.

[1:09] I would have let you use mine. You know,

[1:16] Okay.

[1:18] Okay.

[1:18] All meeting to order.

[1:19] That should give me the agenda.

[1:21] I would like to call the meeting to order at the 7th.

[1:30] I don't.

[1:31] This is me.

[1:32] If anybody needs it, that's what I'm going to do.

[1:36] Okay.

[1:38] First item on the agenda is the privilege of the floor.

[1:41] being able to hear the privilege of the floor, we will move on to discuss the fire of

[1:47] superintendents position. I'd like to say a word or two before we start, and that is that

[1:54] I have been to heaven this day almost since the day I became mayor. We have, I figured at some point

[2:05] that George would either retire or look at what we're paying in and say,

[2:13] I'm a professional, I should repay his professional.

[2:20] And now we have both of them.

[2:22] I have been, uh-huh, every year when we do the budgets,

[2:27] I am embarrassed, ashamed at how little we pay George.

[2:35] And we've gotten away with it because of the situation that has been happening.

[2:42] It's in the due this line, and you have a lot of freedom and flexibility, and so did we.

[2:54] It's time to pay a professional what there were.

[2:59] from my perspective. And the only other thing I will say is, and I'm not left

[3:07] to say this at the Fireman's banquet, but we have the best.

[3:29] So that's the only thing I wanted to say, so I think what we should do now is Jennifer

[3:40] in particular, especially since I was out in the valley waters, you know, in my heart

[3:48] out, that we should, we sent a lot of information today about the position itself and how the

[3:58] changing it, how much potential costs could be, but I don't know if anybody has reached out

[4:07] to you for any questions? Did anybody call you?

[4:10] No, Jennifer and I have been back and forth several times throughout the day.

[4:14] Peter, Sam, Christine, no, that, nobody.

[4:18] Okay. I guess the first thing is, if somebody has questions for George, I think that's appropriate.

[4:25] So, don't be shocked.

[4:28] Well, I can say it just seems free and logical to me.

[4:31] As long as we can afford it, and you can accept it.

[4:35] I don't know what the shooting is all about.

[4:37] Well, you know, I think what the thing that we're looking at is mid-year additions to the budget,

[4:48] and what we're looking at for George is basically health insurance.

[4:55] That's the first thing we're looking at, and providing that through the village for him.

[5:02] We're also looking at a compensation that is competitive with the surrounding area.

[5:14] And we're also looking to fill the gaps that we've had.

[5:18] And I'm saying this from the PWC that we've been looking for a fire inspector and someone

[5:25] to do the fire inspections and, you know, Ren has been out there talking to people, talking

[5:31] the Chris Hamilton trying to bring people in and has gotten nowhere behind on fire inspections.

[5:37] That's another thing that I sent out. The list of places we have to do the fire inspections.

[5:45] Yeah. And this is far behind the yard.

[5:48] So, I mean, this comes in an opportune time that this far as mid-year, but it's an opportune time

[5:57] to cover for the fire inspector position and to catch out what we need. The thought was in

[6:06] Jennifer that thought was that we would take George's position to a part-time and benefits eligible

[6:20] position right now and then look at maybe expanding that into quote a full

[6:30] time period, the 35 hours, 40 hours in the next fiscal year and what they

[6:35] cost difference in the offsetting revenue that would be needed to do that.

[6:42] But since it's mid-year we've been looking at least bringing George up to the

[6:48] 30 hours as a part-time employee with that.

[6:55] This was sort of rushed because of the training program schedule that was at least available

[7:02] to us in the last week or two and the need for George to take the time off if he's going

[7:12] to attend the training sessions. So I don't want to add anything. Sure. So one thing also,

[7:23] may or may not have been clear, is with this expansion of responsibility, George will

[7:31] sort of let go of things entirely, then so he would be full-on village, which would be fabulous,

[7:40] or given the opportunity to do a lot of projects and work around with the fire station that

[7:47] he just went on at times. We did it, which would be great. We would continue into responsibilities

[7:54] at the station and anything else, George. You'd like to. Yeah, so it kind of like came to the fore

[8:04] and kind of rushed into it for a couple things. First of all, that class, Brunswick County.

[8:09] If this was, if this is about to happen, the COS class is November for week, December for week, January,

[8:18] or again, that gets me to the point where I don't code inspections.

[8:21] Then you just need the first three classes.

[8:23] I'll take the whole series, that's a full code enforcement officer.

[8:27] That would take some training, you know, working with Aaron.

[8:32] So that was a big one was getting the class in now so that, you know,

[8:36] January first, if this, if this does happen, you know, I finished that last class in January,

[8:41] and hopefully we can start moving forward with fire inspections from there. The second one was

[8:46] just absolute common courtesy at the 29 years of giving the bank's family at least a couple of

[8:51] months notice that I'm leaving because that's, we, I actually talked about them today because this

[8:56] meeting is a public meeting, and so I was like, before you hear about it from somewhere else,

[9:02] I need to talk to you. So I spoke with everybody, the Courtney and Maggie bangs. I did not speak with him yet, but I just wanted to have to be in case they heard something.

[9:12] I didn't want them to think I was seek around me.

[9:16] How long it worked for 29 years? Wow.

[9:20] Are you retirement eligible down there? It's a 401k. It's not a public thing.

[9:24] and it's a private company, so it doesn't have any

[9:28] you know, a benefit work until you drop

[9:30] and then hand it off to Lindsay.

[9:31] So, you know, so that means that,

[9:35] and this is something that, you know,

[9:38] for a while, I was like, no,

[9:39] this won't work, this won't work, this won't work,

[9:41] but you add the fire inspector, ask that to it,

[9:46] and it just becomes a logical thing.

[9:48] I did speak to fire council,

[9:50] which consists of all of the officers

[9:52] and the rescue director and the two wardens for the company.

[9:56] And I spoke to the president of the fire company

[9:58] and the lieutenant who don't sit on fire council.

[10:01] And not a single person said,

[10:03] oh no, why are we going to do this?

[10:04] Every single, it was unanimous.

[10:07] This just makes complete sense.

[10:08] This will be great.

[10:09] It'll have somebody in the fire station during the day,

[10:12] getting the projects done,

[10:14] responding on calls when there's nobody there.

[10:16] And it just made sense.

[10:17] So there's absolutely no pushback at all from the department

[10:21] inside of the things in the company side, I think it'll just be the fire chief will now be

[10:26] an employee of the village, and as a succession, those long been

[10:34] buying the next person to take that job.

[10:40] Well, if I could say a couple things,

[10:42] is it really a good spot? I can't read the room from here. All right,

[10:49] Well,

[10:52] I think it might make sense, it probably makes sense, but I just wanted to say, I don't

[10:58] think we should rush into decision, like I feel like Christie and I have neither one

[11:02] of us have been able to actually spend any time thinking about the budget side of things,

[11:07] the mayor's been gone, and to me it feels hasty to make a hiring, firing, employment decision

[11:14] and spur the moment where we don't even have numbers on everything, and the long-term

[11:20] consequences of things.

[11:21] So I just want to go ahead and say that that I think that I think this is a great opportunity

[11:25] to get information, but I'm going to intern people at us not to vote on anything tonight because

[11:31] I just don't think it's a responsible thing to do from the village's standpoint, even

[11:34] though it might be the right thing to do in the long run.

[11:37] I understand that George is in a little bit of a pickle because he wants to give heads up.

[11:40] I feel like there's probably work around to that, you know, if we went in to take a class,

[11:47] you know, it feels like there's some way to compensate and make everybody happy on that.

[11:52] But I would discourage us from making a long-term decision where the meeting is called, you

[11:59] know, one week day ahead of time.

[12:01] And I'm out of town, Christie's gone, Peter can't make it.

[12:05] And we're kind of scrambling to find information until the last minute.

[12:08] I did not, Peter could make it, he decided not.

[12:13] Okay, I don't know, yeah, I just got his circumstances that he said he wasn't going to be here.

[12:20] So, anyway, that's where I'm coming from, and I think that we should gather information here,

[12:28] and so that we can actually think things through and say, oh, this is the recourse for the village, these are the benefits for the village.

[12:35] You know, these are the reasons why we want George to like I've never seen spelled out like oh, this is the reason why we think more hours necessary.

[12:42] I see lots of, you know, some thoughts here, but you know, I think that's like the responsible thing to do for a long term decision.

[12:51] For a critical, you know, the chief is obviously a critical, you know, does it happen?

[12:57] Can I see something? Sam, I, you know, under more normal circumstances, I wouldn't disagree with you,

[13:07] but I think that these circumstances, given the history, the long history that Linda alluded to,

[13:14] and given how much we already know about this, I tend to be inclined to go forward

[13:22] despite your dissolution, I understood, I understand your reservations, but I think that we have enough knowledge in history that we're going in this manner that we can actually act now.

[13:35] I think maybe people who are on public works maybe feel like there is, but I mean George has never mentioned this at all in a public safety meeting.

[13:42] I mean, this is all news to me.

[13:45] So, you know, like, George, no offense to you,

[13:48] I just mean, it feels very like spur of the moment

[13:50] where like rushed into the decision

[13:52] which actually isn't an emergency decision.

[13:54] And we should be thoughtful about it.

[13:56] That's where I'm coming from.

[13:58] Not, no offense to you, George.

[14:00] I mean, I think you do a fantastic job

[14:02] but I walk away feeling like, oh man,

[14:04] it's a department that's like with a great energy,

[14:07] awesome team building, always positive thoughts coming up.

[14:12] So, no offense to that at all, just thinking from a, what's the responsible course of action

[14:18] as you make and how you make decisions, that's where I'm coming from.

[14:22] I also wanted to point out that according to our HR documents, 30 hours, you are benefits

[14:27] eligible, but that is not enough that the city or that the village pays anything on your

[14:33] health insurance.

[14:34] According to our current documents, it says 30 hours you're eligible, but the full cost

[14:38] of coverage is on the employee to cover.

[14:40] I don't necessarily think that we actually even comply to that, but like that's what it

[14:45] says in the documents, the Jennifer circulated last board meeting.

[14:49] And so, you know, like there's clearly things we haven't thought through, we don't, you

[14:53] know, we should actually consider this, because according to the documents, they were circulated

[14:58] last time.

[15:00] Actually, those benefits would be covered by George, not us at 30 hours. Again, I know that other

[15:05] people within the village, I don't know that we've been consistent with that, but it seems

[15:09] to clearly state that in the documents. So I just think we have not done our due diligence

[15:14] here to actually properly consider this. So, Sam, intake, de, health insurance, full and

[15:24] And part-time employees are eligible for health insurance at 30 work hours per week or more.

[15:30] Yes, and then it says, health insurance, part-time employees shall pay the full cost of coverage

[15:39] if they elect.

[15:46] C, it's an EH 5.3, no, EH 5.8 health insurance item C.

[15:55] So, I don't mean to be a sickler,

[15:57] But I just really feel like we're rushing into this the fact that we don't even have like are we paying for the insurance?

[16:02] Or is yours going to cover the insurance on this?

[16:05] Like, yeah, no.

[16:07] By resolution, we can change that.

[16:09] Yeah, that's exactly what we did for Kirsten.

[16:12] And it would be what we would do for George.

[16:16] All right.

[16:17] But you see my you see my point though that we're like, you know, I feel like, you know, I kind of do want to push back on this in a hard way because I just feel like this feels like a very

[16:27] rushed transaction when actually it's an important decision for the village and I have great

[16:34] feelings towards the fire department and George it's just that I feel like we never actually

[16:39] had a proper discussion about this and now we're being like oh now everyone has to meet at an

[16:43] inopportune time and make a decision without ever properly considering I mean we were getting

[16:48] spreadsheets about the proper cost earlier today which were like apples versus oranges and I was

[16:52] in timments between meetings trying to come up with a oh what's the annual cost of these benefits

[16:57] that send them out, is this correct at all?

[16:59] So, you know, I don't mean to come down too hard,

[17:02] but I do, like, I had a pretty strong reaction

[17:05] to this, like, being called at the very last minute

[17:08] and being like, oh, and now we're gonna rubber stamp this thing

[17:10] without properly considering it.

[17:12] The only reason why we, there's a sense of urgency

[17:16] about this is because of when training

[17:20] or the fire instructor is occurring.

[17:24] If we don't do it now then the next time and we did find out the next time is basically the middle of March before George could be on board.

[17:38] Regis is not going to be available at all after December 31st for this kind of, he'll be available for engineering consultation, but that's it.

[17:53] Aaron is going to be taking over the code enforcement, which is maybe in the winter time isn't quite as obvious as it is during the winter.

[18:07] rest of the year, but it's the kind of thing where there has to be a response because contractors

[18:14] need permits. I was in with Fred this morning and this contractor came by and it was like,

[18:20] I need my permit. Where is it? So we're in a bind. And I do think that if, first of all, maybe I'm

[18:29] the only one that is concerned about it, but the fact that we are two years in a rarest are all of

[18:36] the fire inspections on.

[18:39] Oh, if there's a fire, let me see this.

[18:41] It gives me a lot of thoughts.

[18:43] I believe.

[18:44] It is.

[18:45] And it isn't that Brent and Aaron haven't tried hard to find somebody.

[18:50] And Aaron has actually done some of them.

[18:55] But, you know, that's the part where I'm concerned.

[19:00] And so, yeah, it is rushed.

[19:03] I don't, I'll give you that.

[19:05] But the age are committee, not the public works committee has been discussing this for at least a month or so.

[19:14] It's been a light topic of conversation for a couple of years.

[19:18] Yes.

[19:19] It's been a light topic of conversation for a couple of years.

[19:23] I mean, again, it might have been a light topic of discussion, but not important enough to ever bring up in a public safety meeting since I've joined the board 18 months ago,

[19:34] or something like, you know, I mean, from my standpoint, this is all new.

[19:41] What's that?

[19:42] It's a HR issue, not a public safety issue, per se.

[19:48] And I mean, for me to bring it up at a public safety committee meeting, as I would never,

[19:57] I myself would never have done that, I don't, you know, I don't disagree, this is moving

[20:01] very fast.

[20:02] and I also feel it's moving very fast but you know it was brought up that you

[20:08] know it was the fire inspection part of it and and it just made sense to add

[20:12] that into the fire chief's office if there was a you know can you do this as

[20:18] you know in the scope of of tasks that you have now and I can't I can't do it

[20:24] while I'm still working my you know my job depends and there's just not enough

[20:29] hours in the week. And so that's it. That's coming. Yes, I can absolutely do the fire inspections,

[20:34] and I think putting the fire inspections inside the fire department is an amazing thing because that

[20:39] puts us in the buildings all the time, right? I think it makes total sense across the street at

[20:44] community corners, and you know, forcing James to, you know, clean up some of the mess in there,

[20:49] and stuff like that. But, but again, well, the lunch is unmistakable. I mean, it's so obvious, you know?

[20:55] Well, I was talking with Brent this morning about all of this and it turns out that the

[21:00] largest city in the city of Portland, the fire inspection, is in the fire departments.

[21:07] It's in the smaller places like the land sames and us and that because we don't have enough

[21:16] work for a full-time fire inspector, which is one of the reasons why it's been so difficult

[21:22] off to find somebody because it's a part time because it's truly a part time decision.

[21:27] And so we, you know, this Hamilton was willing to do it for a couple of years.

[21:31] We were very lucky to have him and but he now works for the city of Edith and their

[21:37] fire department of doing the inspections.

[21:40] I just don't know. I don't want to move this too fast long but we're going to be

[21:47] We can't always forget at all.

[21:51] We can call.

[21:52] Yeah, we can have Sam call and let speaker.

[21:56] I think step away.

[21:57] I can step away and let you discuss this amongst yourselves.

[22:00] The only concern that I have is, you know, when it comes to compensation, the health insurance

[22:07] is a huge aspect.

[22:08] There is zero paying at bank accounts and I'm perfect.

[22:11] I completely understand there's a premium pay-in in this position. My family were willing,

[22:15] we understand that obligation. I don't want to lose. I don't want to come into this position

[22:25] losing money.

[22:28] I'm happy to do it, and I'd be proud to do it, and I think it's a great move.

[22:33] We have been talking about it, Jeff and I, and Mike, for years about how it just makes sense.

[22:41] I absolutely want to do this and everybody and the members of the fire department think that this is just a complete

[22:48] Forward step in in the fire department that we are that's that's a very positive step

[22:52] So I will step out and let you guys discuss it further

[22:57] If somebody could just please let me know where we're at so that I can

[23:00] Then let the banks family know whether I'm going to be there till June or whether it can be there indefinitely or whether I'm going to leave in January

[23:06] So, I would like you to do one other question.

[23:09] Yes.

[23:10] And then, okay, we go to the fire sector, but that's not an extra 10 hours a week, every week.

[23:19] So what else are you planning to be able to do with?

[23:23] There is so much to, we have boxes of files.

[23:28] I will assume more of the responsibilities of the rescue director, right?

[23:32] Colleen is so busy now that there's a lot of stuff that's getting messed.

[23:35] So that's several hours a week of EMS stuff that handles and the ordering and will be forward

[23:41] with training files and kind of taking that off of Sophie who's not been doing it great.

[23:46] You know, we have all these little things around the station, the assistant chief's supposed to be

[23:50] doing, then nobody's really doing well. And so it's getting messed, right? And so keeping the records

[23:55] up to it, we, you know, kind of had these seven or eight years ago, Pesh came rolling in and they

[24:02] They went right through us and we spent a couple of days

[24:06] right before the inspection, just boning things up

[24:09] and we made it through with flying colors.

[24:13] But everybody's just gotten busier

[24:15] and as much as I would like to say that we are moving forward

[24:19] and we're doing good things.

[24:21] We had 76 people at the recruit dinner,

[24:23] 74 people put in applications.

[24:25] We're interviewing from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. tomorrow

[24:27] for 10 spots, right?

[24:29] And so there's all of those things

[24:31] there's station maintenance projects, there's getting trucks where they need to be.

[24:35] There is enough work for 35 to 40 hours a week without a problem.

[24:41] There's responding on calls, you know, middle of the day when that, you know,

[24:45] we're getting out the door, but it would be a lot easier if there was somebody there who could

[24:49] always drive or find a truck or always get the rescue out the door during the data.

[24:54] So why don't the things that Sam wrote up, which is a good one, and that is,

[24:59] Jerry has been good at getting extra money.

[25:05] We could do that to grant writing.

[25:07] So I mean grant writing, yes, 100 is that there is all of that.

[25:12] So taking the classes that I can't take because they're offered at Firecams during the

[25:17] weekdays and I can't take endless weeks off to go down to the Firecams.

[25:21] I mean, sprinkler classes, alarm classes,

[25:25] investigation classes, just more leadership classes.

[25:28] All of these things that could now

[25:30] that have always taken the back part,

[25:32] we always budget to go away, do trainings,

[25:35] but the time is just never there to get that stuff done.

[25:37] And in this position where that's the only thing

[25:40] that I have to focus on, that stuff starts

[25:43] really getting done and rolling along,

[25:45] like it should be cleaning out the file room,

[25:48] cleaning up the assistant chiefs up,

[25:49] cleaning out the tool, making sure that, you know, starting to maintain the equipment ourselves

[25:54] versus shipping it out, you know, just stuff that, just a little something.

[26:00] There are some cost benefits, cost savings that you could be doing.

[26:06] I would suspect that there are plenty of cost savings or just ensuring, you know,

[26:12] that we're more proactive than reactive on things, so. And we've been very, very,

[26:18] very pro when I took over as far as we did not do the only time that the trucks got maintained was

[26:24] when something broke and now it's the other way around. They're maintained so well that

[26:27] when they break it's not anything that's I mean everything's heinously expensive right now book.

[26:33] Will you be here if you created an entitlement for the fire department?

[26:37] Well, you know, I guess start reaching out for it.

[26:41] You know, and the other aspect of it is sitting on the Iraq committee at the

[26:48] But all of these county meetings that take place during weekdays, when I can't, you know,

[26:54] when no volunteer fire chief can go, you know, that starts becoming more, that those are

[27:03] much more available, you know, going to a meeting about the Labor Training Center, going

[27:06] to a meeting about the rate, finding out the, you know, radios and, you know, all of these

[27:11] policies about ambulances and where the EMS coverage is going to be.

[27:14] those are all meetings that nobody can attend and it just kind of gets

[27:18] steamrolled over by the people of the DOER and without a lot of input from

[27:25] the Department of Emergency Resonance.

[27:29] Any other questions, George?

[27:35] Sure, please just let me know where we go.

[27:37] We're involved.

[27:38] Thank you all for doing this.

[27:41] Jennifer, Linda, Rich, thank you guys for putting this all together.

[27:44] Again, I think this is very cool for everybody involved and

[27:52] I'm sure he'd like to see me.

[27:59] Actually, I meant that kind of stuff as well, like going and getting psyched.

[28:12] One of the things that we talked about.

[28:16] Are we going into an executive session or anything?

[28:19] Or is this just should we recording and everything?

[28:21] I'm just checking in on everything.

[28:22] Okay.

[28:27] Okay.

[28:30] Just check in since George left. I didn't know if that was a cue that we're changing

[28:33] sessions or not. Sorry. I didn't interrupt you. Rich, I think that was for you, Rich.

[28:39] Yeah. So what I was going to say is, you know, like Sam I was interested in the cost and looking

[28:48] over Laura's spreadsheet, it's kind of hard to read.

[28:52] So, I think it's more set of bark and Jimmy's up-to-job, and you know, she tried, but she

[29:00] did, you know, I was primarily interested in, since we had a budget of it, what it would

[29:08] mean for the budget this fiscal year, and she sort of mixed the rest of the year with all

[29:18] of next year. So, yeah, Sam, it was really, you know, and Jennifer and I tried hard to undo that.

[29:25] I don't know if you got that second version or not. He did. I did. And then I sent another version

[29:32] saying like, hey, so am I understanding this annualized version correctly?

[29:38] You know, when you asked about why it was so much more expensive, and it basically isn't

[29:43] It's a health insurance, health insurance, family health insurance costs the village approximately $30,000 a year per person.

[29:54] That's what I estimated.

[29:56] So, you know, we can't get around that.

[29:59] Let's see.

[30:00] The other thing, I think, so are we looking, you know, if it's 30,000, I'll just say 30,000, are we looking at five, 12,000 of that? That's what, and that's what Jennifer was trying to do at the end. And how much was budgeted for fire and spares? That's the opportunity part of the company because we didn't.

[30:26] And it was assumed, you know, rent and air and kept on saying,

[30:31] we can do it, we can do it. And so we just got it, it gets absorbed, which was really unfortunate

[30:38] because it shouldn't have been much of it. That was absolutely an oversight. Mr. Fox,

[30:45] enough, they said before it was around 17,000. Well, that's an override. I heard, you know, I was thinking 17,000

[30:53] savings. Right. And isn't this cherry split between us and the tenant? 40% of all we're talking about

[31:01] is covered by the childhood. Yeah. Including the insurance. The only thing that isn't,

[31:07] ironically, is the fire inspection because they don't, it's our benefit only itself.

[31:14] So, if we're looking at it in 30 and I'm not going to do the math right now, Sam, you can't, if you've done it already.

[31:28] Right, it's the villain, the villain one, bringing him on board and the salary he would be earning would be proportional to what he's earning now at that camp.

[31:50] So Sam did you calculate that at all?

[31:55] I did back of the envelope.

[31:57] Yes.

[31:58] And you know the village cost.

[32:00] Again, I don't think we should probably be talking about this.

[32:02] If it's not in executive session, since we're talking about.

[32:06] For me to like put numbers on everything.

[32:08] Is that fine?

[32:09] Questions are public.

[32:12] Okay. It's all right. It's direct. I mean, you can easily directly calculate what someone

[32:18] salary is from it. Is that fine?

[32:22] Yeah. I mean, if you feel we should go into a second session.

[32:24] Yeah, I don't care. You're talking about health insurance numbers and their public as well.

[32:31] Yeah. Well, health insurance numbers, no problem. Yeah.

[32:40] So I mean, I have the total direct. Oh, I'm sorry. I think I'm a little bit lagged there. I'm maybe I'm talking over someone. No, I was just going to say that this health insurance number includes the fact that the

[32:54] the college is going up 18% January 1, which I don't think, I don't know how much we

[33:05] budgeted back in March April. I don't think we anticipated 12 to 14% increase, so.

[33:17] Well, and we've got Brent going away. He's going into retiree, which is cheaper. Yes, Jeff, it will be.

[33:29] But then, you know, we're going to hire somebody if we hire someone that starts right when he leaves. It's a wash.

[33:38] Well, it will be worse because of his retirement health insurance.

[33:45] Everything is still something I did, but he's cashier.

[33:55] Yeah, I'll save time.

[33:58] Yeah.

[34:01] I'm sorry to interrupt.

[34:03] I'm going to have to leave here shortly because I need to go.

[34:06] I'm in California to meet with clients and I have the meeting coming up here, so I could just join for a short amount of time.

[34:15] But again, I would urge us not to move forward on anything today.

[34:20] You know, I mean, all we have is like, we're here like spitballing numbers and trying to back of the envelope all this stuff.

[34:28] And yet we're trying to vote on it.

[34:30] It just doesn't seem appropriate to me, and I think that we should, I really do not

[34:34] see a reason why we need to make this decision right now, and I would much rather as all

[34:39] be together and have a chance to look at it, and to actually have some real numbers.

[34:46] I'm really not that concerned with this budget year, I'm thinking long term, and whether

[34:51] or not we, this is the, this, we actually think this is, you know, we spout it off some reasons

[34:57] why we want to expand the role, but I've never seen that on paper as to, like, these are, you know,

[35:02] this is what these are rationales for what this expanded role is and this is something we think

[35:05] the village should have. I just really think that's a responsible thing for us to do. So I just

[35:10] wanted to say that, I mean, I would vote no if the, but I sound like you guys we're not going to get

[35:15] to that point if, uh, because I'm going to have to leave here shortly, unfortunately. But I would

[35:20] definitely vote no because I just, from the process standpoint, not because of the overall goal of, like,

[35:25] I believe this could be the right thing to do, but I just don't feel comfortable voting

[35:29] on it until we actually, you're going to give one of us a proxy, we have no proxy.

[35:38] I don't think, do we do that?

[35:43] No, no, thanks, but on the right, we totally appreciate and understand where it comes from.

[35:50] You know, I appreciate it, and I can see where you're coming from, I respect that sound.

[35:56] That's too wide.

[36:00] Okay.

[36:01] Well, I nearly the 445ers want to get that in, but I'm going to stick around kind of 445

[36:07] and then 15 minutes should be enough time for me to plan it again.

[36:11] Okay.

[36:16] So I saw I asked a sort of different question.

[36:19] So, sound effect, if I only will pay 40 percent, what kind of conversations do we have?

[36:27] Right, I mean, they mark two, right?

[36:29] That is the agreement.

[36:30] Yes, the agreement.

[36:32] And we've always had total freedom to decide when we're going to buy it.

[36:40] Right.

[36:41] Or try or try.

[36:42] Or whatever.

[36:42] And it's an appropriate issue.

[36:44] It's never been an issue.

[36:45] The only thing they've ever objected to is the, sort of, up and downness of it, but, you

[36:54] know, we're trying, you know, to do more of the servers, so have been right, so that

[37:00] is not to happen.

[37:04] Well, I just think it's sometimes these things happen, you know, and it seems to me that

[37:13] that all things considered we should go forward, you know.

[37:17] Not just seeing the need to answer reservations.

[37:21] And Chris thinks, yeah, okay, now on.

[37:27] Yeah, and Peter does not have reservations.

[37:30] He did his attitude was just, he didn't,

[37:33] he didn't seem to be emerging,

[37:35] emerging seeing this of it.

[37:38] I do.

[37:40] Yeah, no, I agree.

[37:41] right, getting more two years late, right?

[37:44] At least two years later,

[37:46] now I just think with Brent calling it puts us into a hole,

[37:55] that I don't even know if we can point it out,

[37:58] hopefully we can, until in his position,

[38:02] but I'm not even certain that we'll have somebody

[38:04] with that training and that time.

[38:06] We have ample reasons to do it.

[38:08] I mean, just to find this,

[38:09] so that they could be called.

[38:13] Well, the other thing which George did not bring up,

[38:17] which is, it's not clear to me how long he's going

[38:21] to continue as the fire chief.

[38:25] Right.

[38:25] I would say five years, maybe.

[38:31] I mean, I think he was at HF Karachbe, if I were wrong,

[38:35] I think he commented sort of, maybe,

[38:38] I wish more years in an expanded role, but in maybe just two or so, it's pretty

[38:57] very tough, but it's physically tough, I mean, and the reality is, well, I mean, if we

[39:07] continue down this road, you know, we're going to have to do something at something. Right? It's not, we're not going to ever have a situation that we have had up until this time, you know, where

[39:23] there, uh, true where she's been. So, it's flexible, and cheap, and cheap, and cheap,

[39:31] but actually, oh, and cheap. Um, and that was one of the points he made was that what

[39:38] he was going to, you know, finally, retire. Um, then it would be a lot easier to find a new

[39:46] person if we know if the position or establish much as a professional position and with the

[39:55] John's description.

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