[0:02] I know.

[0:15] That would really be nice, as far as I'm concerned, but we're used to it.

[0:22] Some cities

[0:23] did? Yeah, I know the bill was good. In Louisville, I thought.

[0:32] Yeah,

[0:35] and as soon

[1:13] as

[1:34] you

[1:34] I'm not talking about it.

[1:36] And you don't want to slow down.

[1:38] Yeah, exactly.

[1:39] Good

[1:53] morning.

[1:54] Can you join me to play the music?

[1:57] I play the music to the flag of the United States of America.

[2:02] And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation,

[2:06] under God, and indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[2:20] OK.

[2:21] We have before he would, the minutes of either vote says November 20th, it would be December 18th, minutes, other than the date of the meeting.

[2:36] In addition to the motion to refer to,

[2:42] I'm hearing of Lieutenant Motion to approve the minutes of the December 18th meeting.

[2:48] And make that motion by again.

[2:51] I'll second it.

[2:53] Through that.

[2:54] I'll take my block.

[2:57] Rick.

[2:58] Yes.

[2:59] Rick's hand.

[3:00] Yes.

[3:00] Cold.

[3:01] Yes, Dan.

[3:02] Yes.

[3:05] Dan.

[3:05] Yes.

[3:17] I'll make that motion that we've proved.

[3:21] I'll second it.

[3:22] I'll second my card in the discussion then yes, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

[3:38] I'm going to give you a little bit from the agenda, I'm going to make my comment for

[3:46] I worked there over the, that's it, took Travis.

[3:51] So you can concentrate on him one of the first things

[3:55] of the interview, it's a good time to take a look back

[3:58] past year and appreciate what was accomplished.

[4:02] And take the glance ahead at 2024.

[4:07] Again, the year went by rapidly and was busy.

[4:10] If you recall, we started in 2023, the files of snow

[4:14] everywhere, some zero temperatures

[4:16] was half in the town and messed with an excavation from a waterline replacement project.

[4:22] When winter finally left and the trenches dried out, we got the repainting done.

[4:29] Soon after that, we commenced to disable the busiest intersection in the county to replace

[4:35] the sewer line and railroad tracks.

[4:38] The Pike Pratt intersection was e-tour for 76 days, although it seemed much longer.

[4:46] I greatly appreciate the patience that our citizens displayed during the water line replacement in the Pike Pratt sewer project.

[4:55] Between those two projects, we worked on getting the city's water and sewer rates restricted to a level that would allow the city to make low payments on complete projects

[5:06] and applied for remaining improvements that lie ahead.

[5:10] Engineering West presented and reached

[5:13] study to the council late March.

[5:15] Good input was received at the town hall meeting

[5:19] and the public hearing for the council approved

[5:22] the new rates of October.

[5:26] Sheree, the entire is the new city clerk treasure

[5:29] on January 3rd, 2023.

[5:33] Tomorrow will mark her one year anniversary.

[5:37] in the end of her probation period, a dental keeper. She's done a incredible job of learning the

[5:46] complexities of this job. She had to do it all on her own, she had to figure out who to call,

[5:53] but to figure out what language they were speaking, and put it all together. She just did an amazing job.

[6:00] The fortunate time around her came. I think we should get her around the problems.

[6:11] So then we heard Cassie Thompson on March 13th as a water clerk and deputy clerk trader

[6:17] and I've received so many comments on the job that she does meet the public in our front window

[6:24] and the job that both Cassie and Sherry are doing.

[6:31] So beyond that we got to learn about T. Hanger's Pickleball Accord Spike 2 and the Lunar Allies

[6:36] and food trucks.

[6:36] We developed a new special use permit, application and questionnaire, and then we promoted one of our officers to sergeants.

[6:46] There in Ukraine was promoted to sergeant.

[6:50] As we look ahead, we have some projects and plans on their rising city needs additional water sources.

[6:55] Exactly looking to a fire land that will meet the specifications for a water well.

[7:00] We hope to continue to improve the facilities that it could be parked, and there are additional sewer system projects that need to be done.

[7:08] We'll be updating the growth policy and hiring new police chiefs to the police.

[7:15] There are ten of them.

[7:16] It's a great day.

[7:19] It's good to head to the Mayo back.

[7:21] Dan and I are back.

[7:24] We welcome Dennis.

[7:28] I want to thank the council for the hard work this past year.

[7:32] Thank you all so much for the City Hall staff.

[7:36] City Attorney.

[7:36] Public Works Director and Staff, our City Law Enforcement Officers, your efforts may

[7:42] close. The great place that is to live and raise a family. Looking forward to

[7:47] coming here. It's going to go quickly. It's going to be busy and there will be

[7:53] challenges. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[8:00] Travis was going to discuss the water

[8:03] Thank you. Well the city asked me to do a little report, I don't know if you have copies of it, but yeah. In 2020, Western

[8:15] Real Motor Services did a report to the city and outlined some possible locations of it, probably well, that

[8:21] was somebody replacing it. I don't know that. The island wealth might extend, and we can be problematic as we're losing,

[8:35] as

[8:35] So the city needs to start looking for a new water source in order to meet a maximum daily demand criteria like VQ.

[8:45] VQ looks at that as you look at your maximum daily demand for your water usage.

[8:49] You take your highest boosting well out of the equation and your other wells have to be used.

[8:53] Right now we have three wells. We have the iron well, which I believe is about 250 gallons a minute.

[8:58] is what you're taking from that.

[9:01] We have the bear tooth well at about 300 gallons a minute

[9:04] and the hair is well about 300 gallons a minute.

[9:07] And so if you take one of those out,

[9:08] you have about 550 gallons per minute,

[9:11] which, for my understanding,

[9:12] and reading some of the previous reports,

[9:14] it's kind of meeting your maximum daily demand right now.

[9:18] But if we were to lose the item,

[9:19] well, obviously we don't have the capacity that we need.

[9:22] So in 2020, that Western ground water service report

[9:27] that I don't know if you've seen it or not,

[9:30] I remember it, I'll find some of the locations.

[9:33] One in City Hall here, those are test well

[9:35] the other are in City Hall.

[9:37] It was sampled, the water analysis came back

[9:39] really hard, a lot of issues with that hard water.

[9:43] And one of the, another location was the SAR,

[9:46] the search and rescue property,

[9:47] the county house, maybe the location there.

[9:50] There was a thing, maybe the church just north of here,

[9:53] there was a possible location, and those sites,

[9:57] And in that report, they recommended,

[9:59] well, what should that be the best location?

[10:01] Well, since then, the bear juice manner has closed down.

[10:06] So, I'll buy the Lantis Corporation.

[10:09] Lantis has some property just north of that

[10:11] as a vacant lot of pretty familiar with that.

[10:14] And my understanding is that it's available for sale.

[10:17] So, that's something that recently came available.

[10:20] I've reached out to Mark with Western groundwater sources.

[10:25] sources, and he says, that was his private, that was probably the best location, just

[10:30] at that time he did his report, it was not available for sales, but it was not on his

[10:34] target or his scope of work where he looked at it, but he says, if that's something

[10:39] available, he agreed with me when we looked at that location, that's probably the best location

[10:43] for New Public World, for your new water supply.

[10:47] The reason why it's the best, because it's large enough, you can, if you think about a new

[10:51] well that goes in the ground, we have to draw a circle around that well, it's called

[10:56] a well-acellation zone, it's a 104 radius around that circle. That circle, or that

[11:01] isolation zone has to be protected, you cannot have sewer lines running through it, if you

[11:06] have streets and roads, there's a potential contamination from fluids, from vehicles, gasoline,

[11:12] spills, things that run off the streets that can contaminate the well, those are issues.

[11:17] other potential sources contamination as neighboring properties.

[11:21] If that isolation zone goes across a neighboring property,

[11:24] you have to get an easement from that angle,

[11:26] because they can't store hazardous material,

[11:28] things like that within that circle, so you can protect your well ahead.

[11:32] So all the other locations that we looked at,

[11:34] I was looked at by Western groundwater sources

[11:37] and services of myself,

[11:39] search and rescue property, city hall,

[11:42] all these sources, that isolation zone goes off the property.

[11:46] Probably the best next location would probably be the searching recipe for this type of property.

[11:51] But with that you have the old highway 10 that runs through your isolation zone.

[11:56] You also have railroad tracks and then you have to, which is owned by the railroad,

[12:00] you'd have to get easements from the railroad and you'd have to get easements from the property

[12:04] order to the west because it would encroach upon that property.

[12:08] So that's an ideal if you can get easements.

[12:11] So, the land's property again comes back to probably the best location because it's large

[12:16] enough we can put a well, a new well there that stays out of 80 sewer lines.

[12:22] We can protect a well-isolation zone, if beyond its own property that you would own and

[12:27] so that you have control of what's being developed there in place there, you can protect

[12:30] that source.

[12:34] So, that's kind of what we're moving forward.

[12:36] That was my recommendation.

[12:37] In my report, December 11th report to the city was if possible, that would be my recommendation

[12:44] for a new water supply.

[12:46] Now, with that, I also looked at your water rights as water rights, I don't know if the board

[12:53] is with the water rights issues, but right now you have three water rights or reservations.

[13:02] which was done in 1906, you have the bear juice, well which is a temporary permit.

[13:12] And it's in its expires next year, December 31, 2025.

[13:16] And the heritage well does not have a water right up there.

[13:20] So I talked with the nursing with Mark over there and I kind of got a load down on what's going on with the city water rights.

[13:26] and there's a reservation out to surface water for the Elscore River we have that

[13:31] we're needed to use surface water but as far as our groundwater and wells for

[13:37] groundwater source we really have one provisional water running which is the R212

[13:41] and that's where 1,000 gallons a minute and like I said that is due or runs out next

[13:48] year. So the Maritube well has the provisional water

[13:55] So I talked to the NRC and he said that I told him, well, the state is looking at doing

[13:59] the new well.

[14:00] How can we best get our permanent water right for all three wells once we're done with

[14:05] this?

[14:05] And they said, under the provisional water right, we can include the heritage well.

[14:09] We can include, say, the new well, if it was the land that's brought here.

[14:12] We can include that under that.

[14:15] But you have to develop it.

[14:17] You have to put that ground water source to work, to use, and what the data should put in

[14:21] on water, right? And then you actually have to do a construction. Certificates, you know,

[14:27] everything has been done. So those are things that I think the council and the city needs

[14:34] to be aware of is that deadline that's looming coming out. We can't get an extension for

[14:38] that provisional water, right? Because if you were to move forward with a new well, it's going

[14:43] to take time to get a test well developed, pump testing done, water analysis done, then

[14:51] to get that permit for you to construct the actual public forest and then you have to develop this building.

[15:02] So we can do another extension with that plan moving forward, and that new waterway, my recommendation is to combine all three into that one waterway. That's a regional waterway of a thousand pounds. That would be 300 gallons a minute if you use an heritage, 300 out there too, then we can do, you know, 400 out this new well or whatever. So as we go within a thousand gallons a minute, we have that additional waterway. Why is it only that much?

[15:32] Maybe Dennis gets shit in my eye, I always let Mark do that.

[15:37] He was very good.

[15:39] Yeah.

[15:40] Reservations.

[15:41] Yup.

[15:42] It's very good.

[15:43] And he's wonderful.

[15:44] And got an extension back then, because I think he got a three-year extension back.

[15:49] So it must have been 2022, because that extension is at December 31st.

[15:53] But we would keep the island right also.

[15:56] Yes.

[15:56] So that's not separate.

[15:58] It has its own water right now.

[16:01] But the other two wells, the heritage and the veriches,

[16:04] well, the veriches is the only well-listed

[16:06] in the provisional water, right?

[16:07] The heritage has nothing.

[16:08] You didn't even know what the heritage was like.

[16:10] What?

[16:10] You didn't know the well?

[16:11] So well, we can easily incorporate it

[16:13] into the thousand gallon minute,

[16:14] because those two are only doing 600 gallons of minute.

[16:19] So it's something that we kind of need to attack with both.

[16:22] I think they counsel these before and after the city.

[16:25] I don't know if I address it as a new water well, but I'll also get a permanent water right

[16:31] and file and configure for all three wells.

[16:39] The question?

[16:41] Well, so the well, if we, the landis property that's out there, there's nothing that

[16:47] guarantees us that that water is not going to be hard.

[16:49] Are there any wells that are nearby that have been tested?

[16:52] Yeah, so I'm not far, if you know where I live and where that property is.

[16:57] I have an irrigation well.

[16:58] We pumped it for about four hours here a couple of weeks ago for Christmas, not the whole gamut,

[17:06] but we ran some of the tests of energy lab. That well, my well was probably three times better

[17:12] than the city's well. It's very on par with heritage well and the bear too as well. The only thing that

[17:20] was a little higher and that was I had iron in mind, but my well casing has been there for 20 years

[17:25] and we only pumped it at about 10 gallons a minute

[17:29] for about four hours.

[17:31] So, anticipation is if you did a new test well there,

[17:33] I think there's no other, when you look at the heritage well,

[17:37] the heritage is well, the island well,

[17:39] there is no iron that's ever been detected

[17:41] in those water sources.

[17:43] And they're all drilled about the same.

[17:44] My well is at 54 feet.

[17:47] The other wells, your public wells,

[17:49] there's a range from up to about 64 feet.

[17:51] So, they're all about the same level.

[17:53] So, for some reason my well, there's much better new city hall while I'm not sure what's

[17:59] going on here, but they have really high alkalinity, high hardness, the baretooth and heritage

[18:05] well are very similar as far as alkalinity, hardness, and conductivity as well I have in my

[18:10] yard.

[18:11] So, I'm hoping if you were to do that, dude, that we wouldn't see iron because we have a

[18:16] new well casing that's just real and we pump it for 72 hours before you sample it.

[18:21] It could just be residual floating iron that's in my mouth from the deteriorating molecules.

[18:29] So you have to buy the property before you go to do that?

[18:33] I would recommend it.

[18:33] Or is there a possibility?

[18:35] Yes.

[18:36] My recommendation, and it's in my report that there's certain contingencies that you put in a body cell.

[18:41] If you're interested in that property, you know, you definitely require contingency that the city is allowed to go to a test well.

[18:47] That test will it be a six inch well, the smaller down real well,

[18:51] that they can drill to 55, 60 feet,

[18:54] and then we pump tested for eight hours

[18:55] at the end of that real water sample.

[18:57] The other contingency is there's the quality quantity

[19:00] and dependability has to come back to the satisfactory of the city.

[19:04] So before you purchase that product.

[19:06] Now that means the city's going to have to, obviously,

[19:08] as the expense of building a well and doing that,

[19:11] but it's going to be a lot cheaper than pulling a trigger

[19:13] out of the expense of this product.

[19:15] You'll know whether you want to buy the crop of your, that's my rating condition.

[19:23] What about outlying wells, yours, and other people that have wells in that area, is

[19:29] it's probably going to raise a fit over us putting a well there and using water that's going

[19:36] to...

[19:36] Oh, as far as depletion.

[19:38] Concentration.

[19:40] You always have that possibility, people will do that.

[19:44] DNRC is going to look at that, part of that water right is when you do a 72 hour test,

[19:49] they do the modeling, we submit the data to them, and now actually hydrologists do the

[19:53] modeling to make sure nobody in other water right will be interfered with, and so that's

[19:57] what one thing DNRC in our water right ensures that we're not doing that.

[20:01] But yes, definitely get that comment.

[20:04] Anybody can protest.

[20:05] You bet.

[20:06] Water right.

[20:06] Yep.

[20:07] Yep.

[20:07] But I think you also monitor what you're doing in your pump test for 72 hour.

[20:12] and monitoring the existing wells in the areas first.

[20:14] Like you could do mine or other ones,

[20:16] and so we have probes into that monitor.

[20:18] And that's part of that modeling,

[20:20] is we give them the production,

[20:21] drop down the test well, and an observation, or two,

[20:25] so that they can put that in the modeling,

[20:27] and then they model the wells that they have in the area

[20:29] to see what really is.

[20:31] If we're pumping 350 gallons or 400 gallons a minute out of the well,

[20:34] what does it do to that?

[20:36] And so that we don't have that problem,

[20:38] because water rights first come first served kind

[20:44] I don't know because they're all in our case, I could look, we could definitely get a category of those ought to be at the end of the year if they're registered.

[20:51] But I don't think you have a, is there a lot of information?

[20:54] There's many close to them.

[20:56] Right.

[20:56] I think there's still our heights.

[21:00] Bob's got them.

[21:01] I don't know.

[21:02] No.

[21:03] Oh, of course.

[21:04] That's right, sir.

[21:05] Coopers are on the list to drill one.

[21:08] Yeah, we have to drill again.

[21:09] West and bottom.

[21:09] Here are the clouds of water.

[21:11] It's usually there at 35 gallons.

[21:14] And if those wells are all in the 35 gallons of water,

[21:16] that's because they're exact clouds.

[21:19] So each one of those private wells,

[21:22] are they governed by the water rights, then, too?

[21:26] Yes, they filed one.

[21:27] Okay.

[21:28] So like in my case, I filed for, it's called the 602

[21:31] with DNRC is to exempt the water well, you pay their, well, they just won't have the

[21:35] yesterday, but it was not. You pay your $100, $200, and then they give you an

[21:41] exempt water right, which is up to 35 gallons a minute and under a 10 acre

[21:44] fee per year. And so that's the standard. Anything over there requires a water right

[21:49] and actually going through the process of a water right, which the city has done,

[21:53] and that's what that provision of water right is right now. You can add that.

[21:56] that, it's just needing to be completed in order to make an official permit water, that's

[22:02] the one time period you're that, you're, so what time period?

[22:06] In the aquifer perspective, are all those wells in the same aquifer, I know you don't

[22:14] know where, where you're going to run into water, but I would say, they're not, they could

[22:19] not, I mean, my well is right on the oluvial and the almost dumb, so my well is very similar

[22:24] to the island well because it's right there next to the old school. As you get back

[22:28] further, we can definitely get into some different. Because when you look at the

[22:32] quality, in the city hall, I don't know what's going on with this well. It's

[22:37] completely different for me, for example. The closer to the river, it was going to be better.

[22:44] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. More water moving. Right. We tested this one several times, and it's still

[22:50] Yeah, really.

[22:51] It's three times higher than my law.

[22:53] And as far as affluent, the effectiveness, specific conductivity, total dissolved solace,

[22:59] it's very, very, very, very high.

[23:01] The first of the nursing.

[23:01] The first of the nursing goes towards the goods.

[23:02] It does.

[23:03] Yeah, and that's a whole different outcome.

[23:05] And as you get up by the interstate, you go across the interstate and you're completely out

[23:08] of the alluvial category of the fractured rocks.

[23:12] And you may not even get away on the other side.

[23:14] You know, you should.

[23:15] It's kind of hidden mess.

[23:17] So right here, if we're at this kind of an alluvial aquifer.

[23:21] I'll be able to stand.

[23:27] Big other questions.

[23:29] Thank you, thank you very much, thank you very much.

[23:34] And one of the awesome folks here, I don't have anything further than what's in my report.

[23:50] I don't have anything further than that.

[23:58] If you have questions for Katie, you could give us an answer.

[24:06] Right?

[24:07] I didn't break one, I figured you guys know what I'm going to do about it.

[24:11] Vacation for you.

[24:12] Yeah.

[24:12] I'm going to put it in the square.

[24:15] That's right.

[24:16] Yeah.

[24:20] Jerry?

[24:21] I cannot think of that much on my report.

[24:24] When you do have a report, somebody out.

[24:27] For the court.

[24:30] Yes.

[24:30] And we're giving the report.

[24:32] I'm assuming.

[24:33] And if I may, I'm just talking to this Cornell about the numbers of hearing.

[24:39] This is a quote rough draft and a next meeting, a little bit of my own draft of this.

[24:45] So, because I talked to a lot of some vendors and I just said it's a rough draft.

[24:51] Quite there yet.

[24:53] Okay.

[24:56] Okay.

[24:57] Is there any public comment on the current agenda?

[25:01] On the comment on current agenda items?

[25:04] No.

[25:04] We have a new business, we have a special use permit for a bicycle toer, to use a 24 or 24.

[25:21] That's the same one that the one that was just dating her before.

[25:24] No, oh, so it's different out there.

[25:26] I think it's just, from what I can tell from the huge community, it's just a one-day tour

[25:35] of Red Lodge back in here, and then I can't see where

[25:43] is that one last few.

[25:45] Some of them was one of them. It was about 4 or 5.

[25:49] It's pretty different. I don't know if it's any of you or not.

[25:53] on

[25:57] the table.

[25:58] The motion for the approval of the special use program.

[26:01] I make a motion with you this, actually you furnished the

[26:03] mongan and the board.

[26:05] I'm here at Smart Conjunio 23rd and 24th.

[26:08] Motion by Cole.

[26:09] You second?

[26:10] Second by Dennis.

[26:11] Is there any discussion?

[26:15] Gannon?

[26:16] Yes.

[26:17] Bob?

[26:17] You have Cole.

[26:18] Yes, Chris?

[26:19] Yes, Gannon.

[26:20] Yes, Rick?

[26:20] Yes.

[26:21] Motion by.

[26:25] Next item is a resolution in 5.0.

[26:29] So that's 2020-23 resolution for the City of Public Operations and the negotiations for

[26:35] the purchase of a certain real property for the site of the City of New Public Water

[26:41] as well.

[26:42] Public Water Supply.

[26:47] Yes, we talked about it.

[26:50] So upon reading Travis's report and put together a proposed resolution, I'd do a couple

[26:59] of things for us.

[27:01] It would basically allow the mayor in the room, it doesn't need to enter into the negotiation

[27:06] through.

[27:06] It also, it was also proposed by the same services part of the state to act as our fire

[27:12] and the negotiations and basically come together and get a proposed by

[27:18] sub-german at a later meeting for council to begin ultimately go on for a

[27:23] group one or not. There were two recommend contingencies that Travis talked

[27:29] about. There was a site assessment as well as the test well. So on the second page

[27:35] section one, the three contingencies would be, they do that site assessment,

[27:41] to do a test while I come to test the well and then ultimately the agreement have to be approved by Council as well.

[27:49] So, give basically the authority to the management negotiations and utilize services with parts drill safe as a fire's agent.

[27:57] And then once if there's successful negotiations, bring it and propose by self finalize more three books about what is the word of the money coming from.

[28:17] And we're also getting CMAs done on the property of the city currently owns that we can potentially

[28:23] sell to offset some of the costs.

[28:26] So I will potentially present those at next meeting.

[28:32] We have a ballpark to give you a bunch of rastings and how much area is it?

[28:37] We know that they're asked for $4,000.

[28:39] Okay.

[28:40] How much?

[28:41] $4,000.

[28:43] We're going to give you $2,000, $2,000, $2,000.

[28:46] Yeah.

[28:47] Yeah.

[28:48] We're going to keep the mic.

[28:51] We're about a bargaining position.

[28:54] Yeah.

[28:56] I guess we could say $1,000.

[29:06] We're going to try to get it from the good of the town and get it from the best price we can.

[29:12] It's always the size of the good of them, sorry.

[29:14] Not too navigation.

[29:22] Okay, well, I look down to discuss this further, but how many came of motion to weigh the reading

[29:28] and the resolution?

[29:29] I'm

[29:32] going to move to the reading of the resolution.

[29:36] Okay.

[29:36] Resolution 850.

[29:38] Okay.

[29:39] Motion by Bob to read.

[29:41] Two, wait for the reading.

[29:42] Second.

[29:43] Second by Cole.

[29:44] Any discussion?

[29:47] Yes.

[29:48] Yes, Kim?

[29:49] Yes.

[29:50] Cole?

[29:51] Yes.

[29:51] Bob?

[29:52] Yes.

[29:52] Daniel?

[29:53] Yes.

[29:54] Okay.

[29:54] Thank you.

[29:55] and our general motion for the past records.

[30:00] 850-2023. I'll make that motion to be passed by the motion. 850-202. Good motion, aye. 10. I'll second that. Second by Rick. No, very discussion.

[30:20] Very good.

[30:21] Yes.

[30:22] Yes, Bob.

[30:23] Yes.

[30:24] Yes.

[30:25] Yes.

[30:27] Yes.

[30:28] And motion passes.

[30:36] Cargets are on.

[30:38] I did not leave you in there.

[30:40] This has something to, what Travis was saying that we need to have an extension.

[30:45] Is that something that we need to handle now?

[30:47] Or can we do that later today?

[30:51] He's been talking to them, DNRC, and he's got that under control.

[30:57] Okay,

[31:00] he's secretly in the

[31:10] other side of the motion to adjourn, I'll make that motion.

[31:19] Second by Dennis, all the way to say aye.

[31:26] All right.

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