[0:00] Greetings, I'm Robert Soper here.

[0:08] As soon as I have the reporting and streaming, I'm on the website.

[0:13] So, this is our public website and the open-out of the live video here.

[0:20] So we can watch it while we're in here in case something is not showing some of the

[0:26] Yeah, that little preview window on the restaurant is not always doesn't show where everything

[0:34] Sometimes it takes a bit of 30 seconds,

[0:39] but the delay is on me

[35:59] One, two, well, our first meeting in February. You know, February, a bit of a humble month, but when you, when you look at it, you know, okay, Valentine's Day, family day, lots of things in February, so welcome once again to our meeting now.

[36:17] Our first study of the business council this morning is a is an in-camera matter, but I believe we need to lift from the table first

[36:26] I'll just

[36:26] the item

[36:28] I'll just check the city platform. Well, is that is that procedureally

[36:32] Correct that we lift that item and then go on camera mr.

[36:35] I'll just set the direction that is correct. Thank you.

[36:39] And this situation will take also I will call for emotion

[36:44] And I will read that particular, a particular motion, a city court blog, well, to lift you from the table, and I will call in council and me to move it in councilor Jeffries, the second way.

[36:58] There's all the accounts of the city of Red deer having considered the report from plan city planning and growth dated February 14th, 2022, re annexation, notice of intent to annex, hereby agrees to live from the table consideration of annexation.

[37:13] And once again, that is consciously in Jeffery's, any post-lifting that item from the cable console.

[37:21] They are not posed, that would be passed unanimously.

[37:25] So we will now go into camera.

[37:30] We'll call on Councillor Goodson as a member of Councillor White just as a seconder. Are there any opposed to going in the camera at this point? They're being done.

[37:39] The telephone could you let us know when our system is ready and we will proceed.

[1:09:15] Mayor Johnston, your in open session.

[1:09:19] Thank you. So welcome back to open session members of the public in the media, in that we were originally scheduled to 11 today to

[1:09:32] I will call a recess, you know, and reconvene our open session and let it in. Thank you everyone.

[1:31:50] So welcome back after our break here to an open session out of Council for February 14th at the valentine student.

[1:31:58] Everyone tuning in, the media and so forth, welcome to this council meeting as a continues.

[1:32:05] So the first item of business council on our agenda this point is points of interest.

[1:32:13] The three counselors that wish to share points of interest at this time.

[1:32:20] Thank you, Mayor Johnson, and just to give Council a quick update, I will be providing a warning

[1:32:27] depth report, but as part of a climate leadership caucus that I'm participating in this

[1:32:34] being the first week that we've started to get to the other and go over some of the initiatives.

[1:32:43] One of the items that came up was Councilor from Paul River introduced a project that they

[1:32:50] been piloting over the last year through Visa Transit, and that is on demand transit.

[1:32:58] So it's an app that provides share service to allow mobility and efficiency.

[1:33:05] The nice thing about this project is it's showing monetary feedback into their city where

[1:33:13] traditionally, they don't see as a revenue generating stream rather they see transit and, you

[1:33:22] know, a service that's necessary to be provided by anyone, just call these four, those

[1:33:28] that are trying to get to work in the rounder community where they're unable to do so.

[1:33:33] I thought that was really encouraging because I know our intrinsic manager is looking at initiatives

[1:33:41] So I thought I'd bring that up because it was just timely and something that Reggers looking at is.

[1:33:50] Thank you, Councillor. Any other, any further points of interest for Council today?

[1:33:59] Thank you very much for that. I will say it was my pleasure to last week to visit two wonderful citizens of our city.

[1:34:07] Violet Williams, who turned 105 last Sunday, pretty remarkable, she, you know, a former nursing instructor, very, quite an active leader in our community, and she reminded me to be a responsible stewards of her tax policy, and I really appreciate that.

[1:34:30] And so I also went to visit another lady named Claude Mitchell, Claude, turned the

[1:34:37] hundred.

[1:34:38] Last Wednesday at the midterm, extended peer facility, and she had a reminder for me

[1:34:48] to live one day at a time.

[1:34:50] So that was just council, I think, to grab the present, to learn from the past and leave

[1:34:56] future into the hands of the divine different states.

[1:35:01] So wonderful, wonderful, wonderful encounters with citizens.

[1:35:05] Thank you very much for that.

[1:35:06] That's our next item is the report from our city park.

[1:35:16] There's a lot of, I may proceed to vital update item 3.1, this is an opportunity for council

[1:35:24] to hear, to listen, to ask questions before the by-law returns on the 28th.

[1:35:33] So, I'm sure I will have you already with your report please take a seat.

[1:35:38] Mayor Johnston, I am ready to proceed, however we are having difficulties with our video streaming

[1:35:44] at this point in time, so I would like to take a brief recess to try to correct the issue.

[1:35:50] All ready?

[1:35:50] Thank you, Ms. Robwell.

[1:35:51] I see it's 11 on slide, where is this 1110?

[1:35:54] Thank you, Mayor Johnston.

[1:37:33] Test, test, test.

[1:41:23] Your Johnston were ready to proceed.

[1:41:28] And thank you for resolving that matter for us.

[1:41:33] So Mr. I'm Mr. I will now give you this one.

[1:41:37] Thank you, Mayor Johnston, and good morning, council. Since the 2020, my apologies for the presentation.

[1:41:56] 2021 election administration in council have been working to improve council meeting practices by modernizing

[1:42:02] processes reflecting leading practices across the province and meeting management and working

[1:42:09] with administration and council to identify opportunities to improve our meeting processes.

[1:42:14] Over the last several months, council has seen many changes implemented, and today we're

[1:42:18] here to consult with council as the primary stakeholder on the procedure by law. Today's report

[1:42:23] in presentation highlights some of the main recommendations that administration has for a new

[1:42:29] The

[1:42:35] first recommendation from administration is the introduction of an Agenda Review Committee.

[1:42:40] An Agenda Review Committee is being introduced to improve transparency and processes used for setting council meeting agendas.

[1:42:47] The committee is recommended to be comprised of the mayor, deputy mayor, and will function in accordance with the written terms of reference.

[1:42:54] Meetings will be open to the public unless otherwise protected under the freedom of information and protection of privacy act.

[1:43:02] Next slide.

[1:43:04] Recommendation number two is to clarify principles of conduct.

[1:43:08] Administration is recommending clarifying the conduct of administration, council, and the public to improve every meeting participants understanding and expectations during a council meeting.

[1:43:21] Next slide.

[1:43:24] The next recommendation is in regards to speaking times.

[1:43:28] Administration is recommending the reduction of public speaking times from 10 minutes.

[1:43:35] Your microphone, your audio is weakening.

[1:43:40] I wonder if you can adjust that for us.

[1:43:43] Well, certainly Mayor Johnston.

[1:43:45] Is this better?

[1:43:46] Yes, it is.

[1:43:47] Thank you.

[1:43:50] Administration is recommending the reduction of public speaking times from 10 minutes to 5 minutes

[1:43:56] to support meeting efficiency.

[1:43:58] Council's direction is requested on Council members speaking times.

[1:44:03] The current procedure by law allows members of Council to speak for 10 minutes on each item.

[1:44:08] This includes all questions, but not the time for responses from administration, as well

[1:44:14] as debate on all motions relating to a matter included in the agenda, as well as all of its amendments

[1:44:20] and related motions.

[1:44:23] Several comparable municipalities defined council speaking times in their procedure by law.

[1:44:28] The vast majority of those are set at five minutes and noted further in your agenda.

[1:44:33] Next slide.

[1:44:37] Notice of motion to reconsider.

[1:44:39] In the current procedure by law member of council may introduce a notice of motion to request reconsideration of a previous matter.

[1:44:47] The reconsideration process has certain requirements as does the notice of motion process.

[1:44:52] Currently, confusion arises because of their requirements for different notice of motion

[1:44:57] processes.

[1:45:00] During this recommending that we define a notice of motion to reconsider to minimize confusion between the two.

[1:45:07] Next slide,

[1:45:10] recesses and adjournment. Council has recently shared with administration that they want to focus more on the health and wellness of meeting participants.

[1:45:19] And in particular, ensure that break and meal times are provided for during meetings. The current procedure by law states that council can recess a meeting until the next meeting of council.

[1:45:30] It is recommended that the procedure by law introduced the allowance for recess to be set

[1:45:36] on an agenda, and recommend a recess minimum of 30 minutes in every five hours to meet

[1:45:43] and support Council and Administration's health and wellness.

[1:45:46] The current procedure by law does not have any specifications regarding a time of adjournment.

[1:45:52] It is recommended that Council meetings adjourn when the meeting excluding recesses reaches

[1:45:57] eight hours in duration.

[1:45:59] Council may pass a motion to suspend the rules when the time of adjournment or recess would interfere with Council's business.

[1:46:08] Next slide,

[1:46:11] electronic meetings. The current procedure by law only allows Council to have electronic meetings during an emergency.

[1:46:19] As our meeting technology can now easily support electronic meetings, it is recommended that this emergency provision be removed to allow electronic meetings for council.

[1:46:28] I would like to note that the current time at the current time the government of Alberta has a regulation in place called the meeting procedures COVID-19 suppression regulation, which allows Council, committees, and commissions to meet electronically during the pandemic.

[1:46:45] Council's electronic meetings over the last two years have been in alignment with this regulation which currently supersedes our procedure by law.

[1:46:53] Next slide, public hearings.

[1:46:58] It is recommended that information related

[1:47:00] to public hearings be greatly expanded.

[1:47:02] Legal services has been working with legislative services

[1:47:05] to provide us with transparent practices

[1:47:07] to provide the public certainty around the conduct of public hearings.

[1:47:12] By expanding the public hearing provisions,

[1:47:14] we will improve the transparency of our hearings.

[1:47:18] Next slide,

[1:47:21] Council member inquiries.

[1:47:22] A Council member inquiry process is currently aligned in the procedure by law.

[1:47:28] Administration recommends that we expand the language to convey the principle that one member of Council cannot direct the work of administration.

[1:47:36] To support this, we would add a requirement that any time an administration was being asked by a single member,

[1:47:43] so looking to an inquiry that required a significant use of city resources, it would have to be endorsed by the majority of Council in the public meeting.

[1:47:51] This would ensure that administration continues to take direction from a majority of council.

[1:47:58] Next slide,

[1:48:02] Parliamentary procedure.

[1:48:04] Administration has been conducting a thorough analysis of Robert's rules of order newly revised in preparing for recommendations to the procedure by law.

[1:48:13] Administration will be bringing forward a number of recommendations aimed at reducing contradictions between the procedure by law and Robert's rules of order newly revised.

[1:48:23] When in contradictions are done intentionally, we would work to have these items further

[1:48:29] expanded in the procedure by law to ensure that the processes are clearly explained.

[1:48:35] Some of the primary areas that would be impacted by this include defining required administrative

[1:48:41] attendance, except for a member of administration would have a direct interest, such as the

[1:48:46] preparation of a city manager's performance evaluation, changing a point of privilege to

[1:48:52] question of privilege, changing a point of information to a parliamentary inquiry, introducing

[1:48:58] the consent calendar, replacing the term tabling with postpone, limiting the number of motion

[1:49:05] types and clarifying the processes and rules related to the permitted motion types, introducing

[1:49:11] the concept of general consent.

[1:49:14] And again, these are all areas that are in alignment with Robert's rules of order newly revised.

[1:49:19] Next slide.

[1:49:23] Our next steps.

[1:49:25] Administration is working towards preparing a draft by law for Council's consideration.

[1:49:29] Based on the feedback received today, we will begin final preparations of the by law

[1:49:34] and look to bring back a by law to a future meeting of Council.

[1:49:38] Following third reading, we would enter an implementation phase.

[1:49:42] We acknowledge that the procedure by law would result in changes for Council administration and the public.

[1:49:47] We know that Council is committed to good governance, to a good reputation in our community for decision making.

[1:49:53] And to support this change, we will work to help guide, teach, and support Council in the implementation of our new procedure by law.

[1:50:02] After implementation, the work will still continue.

[1:50:05] The changes we are recommending are based on best practices in parliamentary procedure and leading practices of other municipalities.

[1:50:12] We have already identified additional improvements to come in the future, such as the introduction of a committee of the whole.

[1:50:20] We will continue to work to identify areas and learn from other municipalities for future enhancements in the procedure by law.

[1:50:27] During your term, we hope that Council will share their thoughts on the procedure by law and work to continuously improve the by law and our associated meeting practices.

[1:50:36] next slide.

[1:50:40] In today's meeting we want to ensure that Council has the information and

[1:50:44] understanding that you need to ensure that you're ready for first reading of a brand new

[1:50:48] procedure by law. Today we are here to support you and answering general questions regarding

[1:50:53] administration's recommendations and the themes that have been provided today. We also hope

[1:50:58] to hear from members of Council and in particular learn what you do not have enough information

[1:51:03] on, what you may not understand at this point in time and what administration has missed in

[1:51:09] our recommended amendments. We will bring further information back at first reading based

[1:51:16] on Council's consultation today. Thank you very much and we're ready to answer any questions.

[1:51:36] Thank you for the support.

[1:51:38] So, Council, I will, you're in question.

[1:51:42] Starting with Council.

[1:51:45] Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor.

[1:51:46] And I have an information that's really,

[1:51:49] Mr. Chair and City Clerk, well, thank you so much for the work

[1:51:53] that has gone on today.

[1:51:55] So, just a couple of questions.

[1:51:57] The first one is on page 6,

[1:52:00] with respect to the speaking council.

[1:52:02] It's speaking time for council.

[1:52:04] So, in the view of these other jurisdictions,

[1:52:06] Thank you very much. This is very helpful for counseling to see what other jurisdictions within Alberta are doing.

[1:52:14] The disease times include the time, council, spans and asking questions.

[1:52:25] Through the mayor to Councillor Hayam, the majority of procedure by one.

[1:52:30] I was quoted, are almost direct quotes from their procedure by law. So they're not clear on splitting

[1:52:37] their times between questions and comments. You will see for the city of Calgary, they split based

[1:52:44] on motion type. However, the city of Reddier is not recommending that due to limitations of

[1:52:50] our technology and the amount of administrative time that it would take to split timing members

[1:52:55] council per motion. The majority, the other member are comparable

[1:53:01] municipalities that you're not seeing here, do not have any clear language in their

[1:53:06] procedure by law related to speaking times. So what you are seeing is nearly

[1:53:10] verbatim from those municipalities, but most certainly prior to first reading, we

[1:53:15] could do an administrative inquiry to those municipalities to confirm their

[1:53:19] method of timing. Thank you. I'm not sure that's necessary, but I will move on to my next

[1:53:26] question, thank you, because that was very helpful on its own. The second one is on page 7,

[1:53:32] and it's with respect to the point of information.

[1:53:38] It is proposed to be a change to parliamentary

[1:53:41] inquiry. Can you just elaborate on that in front of me? Because you're this body of council and

[1:53:47] the work that we do is not a parliamentary committee or a parliamentary body. So just a comment

[1:53:54] is on why that is being proposed.

[1:53:59] Thank you, Councillor Haye.

[1:54:00] I am through the mayor.

[1:54:01] A point of information, as it currently stands in your procedure, Bala, is not something

[1:54:06] that's included in Roberts' rules of order newly revised.

[1:54:10] Roberts' rules is what we refer to as a parliamentary authority, so it's where we can go

[1:54:15] for further information and guidance on parliamentary practices.

[1:54:18] Council is deemed to be what's called a deliberative assembly, so an assembly where each

[1:54:24] members allowed to speak and vote on motions and matters are decided by a majority.

[1:54:29] Those are the principal foundation of being a deliberative body.

[1:54:34] So by being that deliberative body, you are able to look to Roberts rules of order as that parliamentary authority.

[1:54:42] And by bringing that language into alignment with Roberts rules of order, we would limit any place where there is

[1:54:50] to grab and see between our practices.

[1:54:52] So if we ever had an issue in a council meeting,

[1:54:55] we're a procedure ballot didn't provide us enough direction.

[1:54:57] We would be able to look at Roberts

[1:54:59] and make some recommendations based on their advice.

[1:55:04] I see, so it's just purely to align our processes

[1:55:08] with Roberts' rules.

[1:55:10] That's correct.

[1:55:11] OK, thank you.

[1:55:12] That's helpful.

[1:55:13] And my final question is, has there ever been a minutes?

[1:55:15] It was respect to the very final motion types on page 7?

[1:55:19] Is there ever been an issue in the past where a councilor has attempted to bring a type of

[1:55:25] motion that wouldn't be included in the list that administration is proposing?

[1:55:35] Is this different than an issue, is what I'm wondering?

[1:55:38] Typically for members of council administration's serves to guide you and support you and

[1:55:43] your resolution making.

[1:55:45] We have encountered situations where a member of council may not use the exact words as

[1:55:50] recorded in Roberts, Roberts actually has 86 motion types.

[1:55:55] So while a member of council may not be requesting to use a motion exactly as it's been

[1:56:00] described in Roberts, we have encountered situations where a motion in Roberts may have captured

[1:56:07] a situation better.

[1:56:09] However, it would also introduce a number of practices that council wasn't familiar with.

[1:56:14] So our council currently doesn't utilize things like a motion requiring a two-thirds majority

[1:56:20] on a frequent basis. And when we start to interlay practices and processes that Council has

[1:56:26] never seen, administration has never seen, and our public has never seen, it becomes increasingly

[1:56:31] confusing. So our recommendation is that by limiting from the 86 motion types that are

[1:56:36] available in Roberts down to worst-emitting 10 at this point in time, it helps to make your meetings

[1:56:42] a lot easier to understand for the average person. When a new member joins Council, they understand

[1:56:49] what their options are afforded to them, they don't have to be a parliamentarian to participate

[1:56:54] in these meetings.

[1:56:55] And that was our primary purpose of limiting those motion types was to make it as easy as

[1:57:00] possible to participate in a meeting.

[1:57:06] On your response then, so are you confident that those possibly ten motion types would cover

[1:57:13] any type of motion attempt, an attempt to make a motion by a counselor that you've seen

[1:57:20] in the past.

[1:57:21] There's historically, these ten would cover any sort of situation that a council would want

[1:57:27] to bring a motion for.

[1:57:29] The ten that are recommended by administration do cover the vast majority.

[1:57:34] The ones that are not covered are essentially so obscure that there is very limited possibility

[1:57:41] that council would be looking to introduce those motion types.

[1:57:44] Council does have the authority to suspend the rules at any point in time.

[1:57:48] So if you did the need arise to introduce a different motion type, we would just do a motion to suspend and introduce the new motion type, but I am quite confident that 99% of situations can be handled by the 10 motion types being recommended.

[1:58:04] Thank you, Isaac, terrific answer and that's all I have to do there.

[1:58:08] Thank you.

[1:58:09] Will you consider it?

[1:58:10] I have constantly followed by council arrangements.

[1:58:15] Thank you, Mayor Johnson.

[1:58:16] My first question is in relation to the expansion of speaking time.

[1:58:23] My question on that is currently council does not have any way through the technology as presented.

[1:58:32] So, identify what, where they are at, is speaking time, is that a consideration, in this

[1:58:42] name format given, you said, that's taking technology to do so.

[1:58:48] Through the mayor to Councillor Lee, a number of years ago we updated our meeting management

[1:58:53] technology and council chambers.

[1:58:54] However, this also coincided with the COVID-19 pandemic, so what council is not aware of is that

[1:59:00] We have had that technology in Council Chambers for almost two years, and when you return

[1:59:05] to Council Chambers, we are prepared for Council to see their speaking times on the computer

[1:59:10] screens in front of them, as well as on the screens within Chambers itself.

[1:59:14] So you will be able to utilize that as soon as there's a return to City Hall.

[1:59:20] I'm happy to hear that.

[1:59:21] next question, in relation to informing Council on basically the tools that are available in

[1:59:31] that toolbox of emotions, is it contemplated that I'll give you a second example?

[1:59:39] So in your presentation you outlined a potential or direction a council may not direct

[1:59:48] And it's changed of work by their own.

[1:59:51] So what triggers, what labor will you state that it is?

[2:00:00] There is two intensive or two resource intensive to then have a rest main. I just need to know that

[2:00:07] dilation within what you were presenting in that main, which says, give it becomes two owners

[2:00:14] or two resource intensive, then you would ask for council's direction versus the direction of, you know,

[2:00:23] a council are asking for something simple within their own.

[2:00:28] Thank you, Councillor Lee.

[2:00:31] Your interim city manager has flagged the exact same issue that you are noting, and we are

[2:00:37] working with her to develop a recommendation that she would support for administration.

[2:00:42] So, some of the things that we're looking at from other municipalities are things like $2,000

[2:00:47] cost limit, a number of administrative hours.

[2:00:51] So, we are working through that with the interim city manager to try to come up with a reasonable

[2:00:55] number that we think would be acceptable for both administration and council.

[2:01:02] Thank you, Mayor Johnson. Those are my questions. I turn it forward back to you.

[2:01:07] Thank you, council. We are councilor lunches. You are next and followed by councilor rule.

[2:01:13] Thank you, Mayor. Thank you to administration for this report and the work that has been done on the

[2:01:19] by law. First of all, make a comment about follow-up on councilor these questions about the council

[2:01:25] member inquiries. Can you just clarify or how does that align and clarify the processes

[2:01:33] that council may have before us that we want search or response to a council member that

[2:01:41] may help us in making us decisions and doing our work? I'm a little bit concerned about

[2:01:48] how it's worded and that appreciated the deputies clerk's comment about the recommendation

[2:01:53] to the city manager, but I just think that I'm not satisfied with the wording of that.

[2:01:58] So that's my first question.

[2:02:00] Most certainly Councillor White has, when we bring back the draft procedure by law, we can

[2:02:05] make sure to develop that language and provide more thorough answer in the report.

[2:02:11] At this point in time, the intent is that Council would be able to continue with any sort

[2:02:15] of routine business questions that you have.

[2:02:18] Council does have a number of policies and procedures in place related to their communication

[2:02:23] with the organization and administration has policies and procedures in place on how to respond.

[2:02:29] So we would follow those standing practices at the current time. There is no desire at this point to

[2:02:35] amend those. The question is just when one member of one member of council is asking an inquiry

[2:02:43] that administration doesn't have a routinely available answer on or can't be found with a simple

[2:02:53] of research or we have to go back maybe to a consultant that we're working with to have

[2:02:57] them answer the question and when it becomes a really involved answer that's when administration

[2:03:03] wants the ability to ensure that we're using Council's funds appropriately and that a majority

[2:03:08] of Council has endorsed that we do that work because it wouldn't fall within our regular business

[2:03:14] practices but most certainly we'll look at flushing that out further upon first reading.

[2:03:19] Thank you, Ms. Redwell. My next question is just about the conflict of interest that's being removed

[2:03:26] because it's now addressed in the Code of Conduct by law. When will that Code of Conduct

[2:03:31] by law be reviewed by this Council? And will it be in the short term versus the long term?

[2:03:37] Thank you, Councillor Wanchas. I'll defer that question to manage your barrage and perkins.

[2:03:45] There Johnson to consider one just the Code of Conduct Bala is scheduled to come to this council in Q2 and I believe we're scheduled for the early part of the second order.

[2:03:58] I think it is April and it's going to be corrected, but it's around then and I don't quite, I'll have to ask you to repeat the part of your question around short and long term.

[2:04:09] I don't remember.

[2:04:11] I know that's just fine.

[2:04:12] I wanted to, as long as it's coming earlier,

[2:04:15] versus later that was my point.

[2:04:16] So thank you for that, Ms. Bear.

[2:04:18] I'm unsatisfied with that response.

[2:04:20] And then my last question is just about the points of interest.

[2:04:25] Recognizing that not everyone is on social media

[2:04:28] and recognizing that there's value to the public

[2:04:31] who's listening to the council meeting

[2:04:33] in terms of activities.

[2:04:36] And also that council,

[2:04:37] you know we've been using the points of interest in in this term but sometimes it's not used so

[2:04:42] what is the problem in still having it on the agenda and we may not use it but it's still

[2:04:48] will be there if so we become more active in the community and can share some of the issues

[2:04:53] comments on that please.

[2:04:57] Councillor White House this is exactly the reason why we're doing the

[2:05:00] consultation today is we're looking for councils feedback on things such as the recommended removal of

[2:05:06] of interest. Primarily, it's recommended from an administrative perspective because the primary purpose

[2:05:11] of a council meeting is to be a decision-making forum, and points of interest does not require

[2:05:16] a decision to be made. It's just information sharing. As a result, it is our recommendation for

[2:05:21] removal. However, we welcome council's feedback today regarding that matter.

[2:05:38] If you're interested in John Smith, appreciate the good work that's fine into this.

[2:05:44] I have three questions.

[2:05:47] With regards to the first point in terms of gender equality and again being new around the table,

[2:05:52] I'm probably sure how this has been done in the past.

[2:05:55] Is there a provision for an annual plan of meetings?

[2:05:58] And I recognize in many ways that it's responding to current needs.

[2:06:02] But there's also a sort of a significant kind of a regular schedule as to when things come up.

[2:06:06] Also, I guess, in terms of advanced service and I would go back to council, why is this is common?

[2:06:12] Just providing awareness to council members as to when things are coming up, for example, a court of conduct by a lot.

[2:06:19] I think it's helpful for my council perspective to kind of know what may be on the radar and when some of those things are coming up.

[2:06:25] So I'm not sure if that's going to bring you that agenda again, maybe, but in terms of a suggestion that maybe a part of it in terms of the parkingality.

[2:06:37] Councillor interjecting.

[2:06:38] Do you have essentially hit administrations current work on the head?

[2:06:43] So we are actively working to build out more of our routine schedule in 2022.

[2:06:48] We have flagged all of our foundational items for the entire duration of the year.

[2:06:53] all of those items are currently on a fixed schedule for council and one of the items that we would ask this agenda review committee to consider is reviewing an upcoming council schedule and at the current draft we're recommending about five quarters in advance so that wouldn't be all of the items that are scheduled we do have a number of emergent items that come through the council meeting process.

[2:07:16] However, items like attacks, by law, your annual setting of your budget, those are all standard items required by the MGA, lots of them even have standard deadlines associated with them.

[2:07:30] Working at flushing those out and doing an improved job of conveying that information to council, and that would be achieved through those agenda review committee meetings.

[2:07:41] Thank you very much. I appreciate it. You know, questions that have been passed in the community when our public hearing is on on shelter issues and that is helpful to know that.

[2:07:49] But we can share that information, so thank you very much.

[2:07:52] I'm not doing terms of the notice of motion to reconcider.

[2:07:56] I'm not sure if that is a tiny thing of barbecues of order, but there's also a notice

[2:08:02] of motion to be sim.

[2:08:06] I've looked at both the past and current barbecues of order, there is nothing in a firm

[2:08:12] by law regarding motion to be sim.

[2:08:15] Is that other within the reconcider?

[2:08:17] Or is that just yet in terms of general rules of barbecues?

[2:08:21] You revised it that word to come up again, Councillor Burma, you have hit on one of the points

[2:08:29] of why we're introducing the 10 motion types. In particular, Rissind is one that has caused

[2:08:34] us a few issues. Motion to Rissind basically retracts something that Council has done in the past

[2:08:41] and based on the rules and Roberts, it's actually quite easy to achieve. We are recommending

[2:08:48] that Council stick with reconsideration instead of rescinding because we want to be transparent

[2:08:55] to our public, rescinding means that Council gets a new chance to vote on a prior motion

[2:09:01] and in the opinion of administration that is a more transparent practice than rescinding.

[2:09:07] Therefore, we're recommending that Council stick with reconsideration and not be permitted

[2:09:12] to do rescind unless Council passed a motion to suspend the rules.

[2:09:17] Okay, so will that be specific in there because if it is silent then would it not be an avenue available?

[2:09:24] On the motion types we are hoping to be quite specific that we must be in alignment with the ten motion types laid out in the procedure by law and that other motion types wouldn't be considered in less counsel suspended the rules.

[2:09:38] I appreciate the clarification on that, and my final question is in regards to the consent agenda, and I really appreciate the importance of this.

[2:09:46] I'm just wondering if there is a criteria by which that will be a 30 outlined within me by law.

[2:09:52] I just wanted the reasons I asked that if we take a look at this meeting, some of the items that already could be of interest to media are what's going to be in the consent agenda.

[2:10:02] And I'm just wondering if that if that's the guidance that people are doing and the council is not having an opportunity to discuss those if that becomes part of it.

[2:10:12] I absolutely support being a concept of consent agenda.

[2:10:16] You can see that with the guidance today, but as our community is looking for some of those particular ones.

[2:10:22] And if council is not speaking to those, I'm just wondering if that is a consideration.

[2:10:26] And those are my questions.

[2:10:28] Yes, it is Councilor Burma when council considers first reading we would be looking at framing out the requirements for an item to be included on the consent agenda.

[2:10:42] Councilor Burma.

[2:10:46] Thank

[2:10:49] you very much.

[2:10:52] You're worshiping a lot of the questions I was probably going to ask.

[2:10:56] I've been asking, but I still am inquiring about the idea of counseling queries.

[2:11:03] Are we making a distinction here between where some things coming up during a meeting and

[2:11:12] counselors looking for a new or detailed information?

[2:11:16] Or are we also including, we get contacted quite a bit by constituents and the processes that we

[2:11:26] over the long-term administration answer,

[2:11:30] but wondering if we might run into a situation where

[2:11:34] they say, well, that's going to require quite a bit of work to answer that, and then we

[2:11:39] talk about, well, having all of Council at the next meeting, decide whether to proceed

[2:11:44] or not, but I'm not sure that the constituents would be terribly enamored with the thing

[2:11:50] we said okay you're going to the lay along response and that I would say would go against the

[2:11:59] comment that we're looking to increase transparency and responsiveness to our public.

[2:12:08] Through the mayor to Councillor Dodd. Thank you for that feedback. We will look at framing

[2:12:12] out those clarifications when the bylaws brought forward for first reading. Okay, okay.

[2:12:19] That would be my, my main concern,

[2:12:25] I might have a couple of other comments when the time comes.

[2:12:30] Thank you, professor. I have a counselor to listen.

[2:12:33] I'm just very happy to know that I wasn't aware that Roberts had 86 notion types.

[2:12:40] So, my new language resolution is to use all 86 at some point in the report.

[2:12:50] Also, here tonight, I remind you that there's a time limit for a post on council meetings for eight hours.

[2:12:56] So, I would ask for your grace there.

[2:13:01] My more serious questions,

[2:13:05] I have to do with my first question we can, our procedures by law

[2:13:12] Thank you for the question, Councillor Durks, and our procedure by law cannot contradict the

[2:13:20] municipal government act.

[2:13:22] You will see many pieces of information recommended to come forward that are essentially

[2:13:27] direct quotes from the municipal government act because the aim of our introducing our new

[2:13:32] procedure by law is to interlay our provincial legislation.

[2:13:36] Best practices from Roberts Rules of Order, as well as customs from the city of Red deer

[2:13:41] in a really transparent way to ensure that you don't have to be an expert on all things

[2:13:45] to participate in our meetings.

[2:13:49] The second question has to do with the electronic meetings, because the last couple of

[2:13:57] years have revolutionized the way the world works and I'm curious in terms of moving forward.

[2:14:06] what this is going to, what this can look like if you can provide any clarification on that.

[2:14:19] Thank you for the question.

[2:14:21] Our main opinion as administration and moving forward at this point in time is to ensure that

[2:14:27] we recognize the experience that we've had in the last two years and that we have been extremely

[2:14:31] successful at having electronic meetings as well as hybrid meetings where some members are in

[2:14:36] and some members participate electronically.

[2:14:39] So with these are recommendations that we are ready at this point to remove that electronic meetings are only used in an emergency situation and kind of open that door to allow electronic meetings in the future.

[2:15:00] The High Court.

[2:15:06] Councillor Dirkson, at this point in time, we have not framed that matter out in particularly, but most certainly, that's something we can look as we bring the ballot to first reading.

[2:15:17] Okay, and my last question is actually going to go back to my understanding of what a committee of a whole previously, could do or not to and how that relates to the agenda and review committee.

[2:15:33] So I think as a, as a, as a, a little bit of a, some time, some time, some pages to bring items to the table and I'm not sure how to get it on the agenda.

[2:15:45] And whether that's going to be clarified in this slide law.

[2:15:52] At this point in time administration has not drafted recommendations to really change the process and council members getting an item on the agenda.

[2:15:59] However, by introducing the agenda review committee, checking in on that schedule and providing feedback on that schedule,

[2:16:09] Council will, by virtue of that, have a new level of understanding about our scheduling practices as administration.

[2:16:17] And I would just see if GM Perkins or the interim city manager has any further comments on that.

[2:16:32] Thank you, Sam, or Ms. Farbelle, and responding to that, the agenda we've been committing.

[2:16:37] We are piloting now as a committee that meets some of the regular basis to review the agenda.

[2:16:44] As that come forward, we also start looking at what's coming forward on the next council or workshops.

[2:16:51] This formalizes it and makes it much more transparent, as well as members of the public,

[2:16:57] continue to the committee meeting. So it is getting to that point where we are much more

[2:17:04] in the open, as well as looking forward on a much longer term basis.

[2:17:15] There are a little bit of newcomers, not a way, but that's different. Certainly, council. Thank you.

[2:17:22] Thank

[2:17:26] you, Jonathan.

[2:17:28] I just have one question and some more of a general inquiry.

[2:17:33] I wanted to make sure I took time and allowed for a more experienced councilor's

[2:17:37] to have their advice and they've dealt with this for a longer period of time.

[2:17:41] Just to see where they're concerned with a wife.

[2:17:43] And being just under four months and only having seven meetings that are my adults

[2:17:47] and still trying to get a lot of these real dengradulations kind of sort of out within my

[2:17:54] you know, understanding of how everything works through. So, just my general question is obviously there's many little

[2:17:59] things that we're making to the by-law, but just from administration's perspective of all the suggestions that are in here,

[2:18:07] what would be the most drastic changes that would make the biggest difference for a minute, for if they could pinpoint maybe a couple of loads they see as big changes that would be a harder adjustment to make.

[2:18:22] Thank you for the question, Councillor Barnes-Sable, most certainly one that I had not prepared to answer today.

[2:18:29] For my perspective, and I'm going to turn to GM Perkins and to the interim city manager for their feedback as well.

[2:18:37] For my perspective, I think one of the largest changes is going to be the introduction of an agenda review committee.

[2:18:42] As the interim city manager said, it is a practice that we're already doing a trial run of,

[2:18:47] But by having a properly framed terms of reference, clearly establishing that committee and

[2:18:52] a really transparent fashion, I think that opens up those conversations to be a lot more

[2:18:58] informative seeing Council playing a lot more of an active role in the actual agenda setting,

[2:19:04] well developing really clear boundaries between administration and Council to make sure

[2:19:08] that we're all acting in the appropriate functions that are assigned to us.

[2:19:13] So I think from my administrative perspective, most certainly that would be one of the largest when it comes to my team and I'll defer to Jim Perkins in the interim city manager for theirs.

[2:19:28] I'll go next plan if I can, in terms of any manager worldwide.

[2:19:33] So I'm going to talk a little bit about the updates from a timing perspective.

[2:19:37] I've been really impressed by this council's appetite to meet positive changes in the procedure by law.

[2:19:45] Whether you would have called that your procedure by law or not, things that will help

[2:19:50] meeting effectiveness and one of them that I see is a huge change in here and it's small,

[2:19:54] but it's huge.

[2:19:55] The ability to recess.

[2:19:58] The impossibility of putting a time limit on your council meetings, those two are big in terms

[2:20:04] of making sure we're all in the right-head space and have the right energy to make decisions

[2:20:08] so that we're caring for the well-being of council, our public, and ourselves going forward.

[2:20:14] So, they're that one for me is significant.

[2:20:18] The other piece interesting in the timing is, and you're here bringing in the answers to the questions.

[2:20:23] We have really fortunate to have Ms. Rodwell as our city clerk.

[2:20:27] And in terms of timing, she has done a lot of learning and education on parliamentary procedures.

[2:20:34] So, I'm also leveraging that and cleaning up this bylaws so that I don't want to say everybody can be an expert in procedure.

[2:20:41] But it should make it that much easier that the rules of and I don't want to co-count some

[2:20:46] meeting again.

[2:20:47] But the rules of how you participate together should be transparent for everyone to pick up

[2:20:52] that book and know how to participate in a good way.

[2:20:57] There's a little bit.

[2:20:59] Thank you, GM Perkins, and I would completely agree with what you mentioned as your top change.

[2:21:06] I really want to commend council for things like taking on the consent agenda and trying

[2:21:13] for a while before it's claimed to the procedure by law that's made a huge difference for administration

[2:21:20] and how we bring things forward and that we're focusing on where we need to focus.

[2:21:27] You are a decision-making body and we need to use this time wisely to get those decisions and move

[2:21:34] our community forward. So I really see a shift to that decision-making rather than the information sharing.

[2:21:45] Thank you, and I have, I actually just, I'm up with another question based upon the

[2:21:49] G&P current.

[2:21:51] Back to the time of the adjournment.

[2:21:53] We were looking at that data hours.

[2:21:55] Obviously, we've already with this count of about a community that has surpassed the

[2:21:58] $8.

[2:21:59] So if we do, we'll pass that data over time frame.

[2:22:01] How does the meeting get brought back?

[2:22:04] Is it additional meetings?

[2:22:06] Is it, you know, you know, within the framework, especially,

[2:22:09] The public hearing process and I know that sometimes can be, you know, timely or lengthy.

[2:22:20] And so, how do they, how do we get everything covered into the cover if it's going to go above and be on low data hours?

[2:22:27] I guess we won't find it out.

[2:22:30] Through the mayor to Councillor Barnes stable, there are a number of methods that council can use to defer those matters. However, I do want to start right from the point of trying not to exceed eight hours.

[2:22:42] You will see the introduction of the consent agenda by ensuring that council understands the full-sum schedule instead of just the matters before you.

[2:22:51] help to hopefully give Council that perspective to understand where you might want to be spending

[2:22:56] more time and less time based on issues of community importance.

[2:23:00] So we're trying to get you to a more efficient meeting so that you exceed eight hours on a

[2:23:07] lower number of occasions.

[2:23:08] On the occasions that you do exceed eight hours, you first have the option to suspend the rules

[2:23:14] and choose to exceed eight hours.

[2:23:17] Your second option would be to table the remaining items.

[2:23:20] And your third option would be to reconvene your meeting on another day.

[2:23:25] So you would take a recess at that point of eight hours.

[2:23:29] And you would establish a time that you would reconvene.

[2:23:31] We would state that during the meeting.

[2:23:33] So that the public was aware of the time that you were going to reconvene.

[2:23:37] And we would recommence that meeting on another day.

[2:23:39] Thank

[2:23:42] you for that answer. I'm just having my coffee ready for tomorrow or meeting so I'm ready to go.

[2:23:47] So if you need to go to eight hours I'd be fine with that too. Thank you.

[2:23:53] Thank you, Councillor Jones.

[2:23:56] Thank you very much, Mayor Johnson.

[2:23:59] Why?

[2:24:00] Question.

[2:24:01] I think might be related to council agencies line of thinking on the committee of the whole.

[2:24:07] Thinking back to past councils that I was part of.

[2:24:11] And we often had, I think what was referred to as a committee in the whole meeting, city managers,

[2:24:17] needing perhaps as it was referred to at one point, and they really gave us an opportunity

[2:24:22] to have that informal discussion about some ideas around, share some things we've referred

[2:24:29] from other areas of whatever it might be.

[2:24:32] So I think that's an important piece, especially when we're in New Counselor, where we have

[2:24:36] new people.

[2:24:37] I guess, we often were caught in by legal counsel at that time.

[2:24:43] Be careful.

[2:24:44] Your discussion is entering into something that shouldn't be, you know, it shouldn't be more

[2:24:49] transparent.

[2:24:50] If you're into decision making, what you can't go into decision making mode, and I respect

[2:24:55] that.

[2:24:56] But I think that some of those discussions that we have in it are more informal set is

[2:25:00] that we've managed to get, you know, some important workhorse and shared thinking happening

[2:25:08] and that interchange. I recognize part of that is we're restricted a little bit by being in

[2:25:15] the role that we're in with COVID and restrictions on meeting electronically, but can we do that?

[2:25:21] Can we have that in slow-heartedly eating time in a way that's acceptable and as transparent as possible?

[2:25:31] Through the Mayor to Councillor Jeffries, I think that you've done a really good job of outlining

[2:25:35] some of the complexities of what is a meeting and most certainly the MGA was amended in 2017

[2:25:42] to provide even some additional context on top of that that hasn't been taken into consideration

[2:25:47] in our procedure by what at this point in time. So that is why administrations wanting to come back

[2:25:54] on that matter. It's really another great topic for Council to be involved in.

[2:26:01] It's another really large topic in area of research for administration and we want to make sure that when we do that process, that we do it right, that we're doing that in the best service to Council, the best service to administration.

[2:26:14] And so we didn't want to rush that portion of this procedure by law. So we're seeing our recommendation at this point of time is to remove committee of the whole. There were provisions that were in there for committee of the whole.

[2:26:27] In my seven years here at the city of Red deer, I do not believe that I've seen a committee of the whole utilized.

[2:26:34] Instead, we used to utilize what was called a governance and policies committee meeting.

[2:26:39] And also known as GPC.

[2:26:41] GPC was removed from the committees by a lot about a year ago.

[2:26:45] And so Council is currently without that space.

[2:26:47] So we're looking at giving you a really great set of research.

[2:26:51] Some analysis based on some consultation with members of administration and bringing that back in a really great way

[2:26:56] to make sure that we're properly supporting Council instead of rushing that piece of work.

[2:27:02] Thank you very much. Sounds good.

[2:27:05] We can cancel and see Council Bruno.

[2:27:09] Council Bruno Gates, it's Valentine's Day.

[2:27:11] So that is the reason I'm giving you this redress.

[2:27:16] So take advantage of Valentine's Day, Council Bruno.

[2:27:19] I love it, thank you.

[2:27:23] I'm sorry, one of your questions, part of the, as a result, of the Councilor Barron

[2:27:27] Cable's question is going back to the administration. Are there any ways that you

[2:27:31] feed or be a gender can be better done in the reason of asking that question? There appears

[2:27:36] as we see them reports, there's often times that it's a creative repetition within reports.

[2:27:42] And I'm not sure if that will be done within the by-law or if that's the part of your

[2:27:46] administrative process. And so I look particularly at our by-law regarding

[2:27:50] newspapers, where there's several variations of being meant to buy lots of schedules and

[2:27:55] not people with it that are a number of pages and not, but as they say, there's

[2:27:59] often times within both the summary and rational and those types of things.

[2:28:05] And here's a requirement for all of that, but oftentimes there is a repetition of some

[2:28:10] scenario, so I'm not sure how to double the note, but I think it does speak in the face of

[2:28:16] trying to be efficient.

[2:28:19] Through the Mayor to Councillor Beruma, the content of the reports we try to keep as an administrative practice.

[2:28:26] I will mention that interim city manager, Lodwick, has really encouraged us to change some of our agenda setting practices at this point in time,

[2:28:36] and some of the things that we consider particularly in the creation of the agenda you have today is ensuring that members of Council

[2:28:43] who have not previously seen these items were provided with the proper round of information

[2:28:49] that they needed. We've really been looking and been very conscious about bringing forward

[2:28:54] appropriate background materials. We do have some longstanding practices as you identified

[2:28:59] particularly around the bylaws, where we try to provide you a bylaw in several iterations

[2:29:05] to make it as easy to understand as possible. But most certainly interim city manager has

[2:29:11] just to look at those and we one of the the biggest things that we're looking at for 2022 is the

[2:29:17] introduction of some report writing training for members of administration and hoping to leverage

[2:29:23] that to provide you with more consistent reports. We've looked at our templates a number of times already

[2:29:29] in the last couple of years and we're working to improve those templates every time that we make changes

[2:29:34] and I'll just ask if the interim city manager has any further comments because she's been extremely active in this

[2:29:39] Thank you, Ms. Rodwell answered it very well. One of the functions you'll see in the new agenda review committee is I asked at the end of a most agenda is there any ideas for improvement or things we want to do differently or ways we can.

[2:30:00] And that becomes a regular item where we check in with administration and council as to share an ideas and ways we can always be continuously improving.

[2:30:19] You can also, you know, if you're familiar with the new TV program called next level of

[2:30:27] shell, you know, but it starts on a certain level where a bunch of shell's grabbed the

[2:30:31] ingredients and then it goes to the second level, they grab some more, they get done with the third

[2:30:35] level, it's not much left. So that's a long-winded way of me saying I really don't have any questions

[2:30:40] because they, you know, everything's been grabbed and those were great questions, pencil. Thank you very,

[2:30:46] very much in need, I think it belongs just to go through a round of comments to help

[2:30:52] administration and I'll be because the purpose of our purpose of this encounter was to

[2:30:58] question the administration to find out where we could add where we were needed for information

[2:31:04] and so on. So I will start with Councillor Lee and follow by Councillor Bones. Thank you so

[2:31:12] much Mayor Johnson, and I really do appreciate the work administration's put behind this.

[2:31:18] It goes without saying that a procedure by law that's been in effect at least my whole council,

[2:31:27] certainly couldn't hurt with the refresh, especially given in the times that we've had the last few years.

[2:31:34] We probably have tested our patients in many ways in terms of how council meetings have occurred

[2:31:42] and where we can improve.

[2:31:44] Just a few quick comments.

[2:31:46] With respect to the general group committee,

[2:31:49] I like the fact that it is in public now

[2:31:52] and that it would be more transparent in line with the intent

[2:31:59] or decision-making body for the community.

[2:32:02] I support speaking times for sure.

[2:32:07] I think that often we get caught up in not in or not

[2:32:14] anticipating others, the wisdom of Council, where points are brought up, the points are often

[2:32:21] as Johnson said, exhausted by the time it gets to us. So it really does point to, it doesn't

[2:32:30] really matter who brings up the point, it matters that the point is brought up and it's carefully

[2:32:35] considered by decision-making mobility. I really like that. I do full-heartedly support the health

[2:32:42] list of both not just Council, even though this Council will probably know, it's okay for me.

[2:32:50] I'm with Kramer. I can go 16-18 hours, guaranteed I can go that long wouldn't matter, but that's

[2:32:59] it's not about me, it's about the Council on the decision-making, bargaining those that are supporting

[2:33:03] me. So I really think that that is good. I also really like that that we will tone it down

[2:33:12] to a position where council only has to understand and utilize 10, 10 points of order or 10

[2:33:23] Roberts rules that mainly revised things to the end terms of media logistics. I will say one thing

[2:33:30] points of interest, I want 100% sold on one year and another. I look forward to the report

[2:33:37] in terms of how that does happen. But again, I recognize my style is to get on social media

[2:33:45] or those other platforms to inform. So I'm not really there, but I do appreciate that other

[2:33:52] It was a council meeting on space, is that so really great job overall, I think this is just the start of our rebound.

[2:34:06] There will be lots of opportunity, you know,

[2:34:12] and you'll basis to continue to form, make our meetings more effective, more transparent to the public,

[2:34:21] and more efficient in the decision-making process, so back to you, Mayor Johnson.

[2:34:27] Because our customer, Brent, say, will follow by customer.

[2:34:33] It's trying to be first in the queue, but as usual, Councilor Lee would give hand,

[2:34:38] always in February, the way you can ever be.

[2:34:43] And I wanted to elaborate on my previous questions that I put to the administration,

[2:34:47] and I just wanted to say that, you know, with all these changes that are being addressed,

[2:34:52] with not having a kind of experience within, we've

[2:35:08] got to get in your comment,

[2:35:11] to just where

[2:35:14] I looked at, I should have addressed the

[2:35:20] library thing,

[2:35:30] very

[2:35:30] guy.

[2:35:36] Thank you.

[2:35:36] Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor.

[2:35:41] And I just want to say just very briefly to open that.

[2:35:45] One pleasure is been to Welcome Counselors, like Counselor Bond stable, and I mean members

[2:35:50] who bring just a terrific vitality and fresh perspective.

[2:35:56] So thank you very much for all of you bring so far.

[2:36:00] I'm just going to highlight very quickly a few points that I flagged from this report.

[2:36:07] The first one is consent agenda.

[2:36:09] I strongly support.

[2:36:11] I think this is a terrific addition to our processes.

[2:36:15] And thank you to the name for bringing that forward.

[2:36:18] Sometimes we have to sever things.

[2:36:19] Otherwise we go along and discuss it without being in a consent.

[2:36:24] But that's okay. That's an option.

[2:36:25] And secondly, a general alignment with Robert who is a boarder.

[2:36:29] So those points of privilege, information, the table and concept.

[2:36:34] I will support all of them, I think, just so that we can have that alignment with Robert's

[2:36:39] rules.

[2:36:40] We have to just refrain our thinking of how we call something, you know, but I'm fine with

[2:36:45] that.

[2:36:46] In terms of motion types, I was really grateful to administration for your responses to my

[2:36:52] questions around that, because first of all, you know,

[2:36:55] knowing that there are 86 and narrowing it down to 10, I think is terrific. The 10 that

[2:37:00] are most applicable to the kind of work that council typically does. So, you know, most

[2:37:07] things that we want to bring forward will be covered with in those 10's is the option to suspend

[2:37:14] it with the will of council. So if you have supportive your council mates, you can suspend the rules

[2:37:20] and add, you know, council works and you can add a motion to present if you have the support of

[2:37:26] So I think I could live with that.

[2:37:28] A gender review?

[2:37:30] I love that it will be an open and transparent for the public if they want to hop on. Secondly, that it will be a counselor, the room identified that it will. I'm hoping that there will be a long-term flagging for our community. I often get, in fact, they got a call on the weekend from a gentleman, wondering when the public hearing for the permanent shelter site will be coming.

[2:37:54] So, for the public to have a acute ahead of time to have a general idea of when something

[2:38:01] might be coming forward so they don't miss it.

[2:38:05] I will address hybrid meetings strongly support if we can make it happen going forward

[2:38:11] to continue a virtual approach when needed when you're either sick, when you're on vacation

[2:38:19] You're just, you're just, schedules just can't permit, but you can come in remotely and I'm hoping that administration can make that happen with a hybrid model.

[2:38:28] Points of interest, I can go either way.

[2:38:31] I think they're, you know, they're nice to have.

[2:38:33] If we really are focusing on efficiency, you know, I could live without them as well.

[2:38:39] And then off all closed accounts of speaking time, and I really appreciate the work I've been asked on for the entire procedure by all,

[2:38:44] In particular, I think this is probably the single most significant

[2:38:50] way for us or item to amend that will have the most impact

[2:38:55] in terms of bringing efficiency, transparency for our public

[2:39:00] and predictability to our council meetings.

[2:39:03] Both in terms of how much time counts and takes,

[2:39:06] I think that's the thing the most,

[2:39:08] but also in terms of public caring for our public,

[2:39:10] reducing it down to five, and just having that alignment,

[2:39:13] MPC currently allows five municipal planning commission,

[2:39:18] allows members to survey the public to speak for five minutes.

[2:39:22] So I think it's a nice alignment.

[2:39:25] And I would likely support going down to five on sort of two conditions.

[2:39:31] One is that time for questions is not included in your five minutes.

[2:39:36] And secondly, that the time utilized for either making or speaking to an empty motions on a motion, I'm not included in the five minutes, so that the five minutes is for the main motion comments and you can extend it to five at the world council.

[2:39:56] So those are my comments. Thank you very much, and I'll take this to me.

[2:40:00] Thank you. Thank you very much.

[2:40:05] Thank you, Mayor, and I'll keep my camera off because I'm continue to spool on there.

[2:40:10] First of all, thank you, Council colleagues for the interest and desire to amend our procedure by

[2:40:16] line, of course, to the clerks work before us today.

[2:40:22] I also always believe that it's good to refresh what we're doing, but I do have some concerns with some of the issues before us.

[2:40:30] And my silence on the other matters means I support them.

[2:40:35] The first one is this speaking time.

[2:40:37] You know, expediency for me is not the goal when we listen to others.

[2:40:42] And some people take longer to reflect and to get their message out.

[2:40:47] So I personally, whether you use it up to 10 minutes or not,

[2:40:52] I'm personally fine with retaining the time that we have in the current by law.

[2:40:57] I think it's important that we listen and people want to use the time they can and if not, they don't have to.

[2:41:06] And the same comment goes with the points of interest.

[2:41:10] The points of interest I think are sometimes interesting, not only for myself, to when we were out in the community to hear from other colleague counselors, but for the public to hear from us.

[2:41:20] And I'll remind us again that not everyone is on social media, and again, we may use or not use the points of interest.

[2:41:29] We may want to take it away in the future, but for this point in time I'm not supporting that.

[2:41:35] And certainly I do support the work of the Agenda Review Committee.

[2:41:39] I'll just say that I think to support Council's work process, to that that seems to move things along for clarity to the public for their input.

[2:41:49] I think is very important as is the transparency

[2:41:52] to the public hearing process.

[2:41:56] So those are my comments, and I'll just make this comment

[2:41:59] in terms of Parliament or procedure.

[2:42:01] You know, I spent a lifetime in my in-labour movement

[2:42:04] of using Parliament or procedure.

[2:42:07] And I certainly am in favor of making it easier

[2:42:10] and use your family, but not at the expense

[2:42:13] of dumbing it down, because when you do that,

[2:42:16] it can cause the occasional meeting, if not used accurately and correctly, some chaos and concerns.

[2:42:24] So I think we just have to be wise to that and recognize the reasons for parliamentary

[2:42:29] procedure.

[2:42:30] And with the changes in parliamentary procedure, there are also learning from those.

[2:42:34] So we just have to be cautious of that and not go into think that this will be our wonderful

[2:42:41] new rules because there are concerns, of course, when people use it to do their advantage,

[2:42:49] I'm not for the purpose of the bad.

[2:42:51] Better good.

[2:42:52] Thank you.

[2:42:55] Thank you, Councillor.

[2:42:55] I have Councillor Dow.

[2:42:57] Thank you, Councillor Jones.

[2:43:01] Well, thank you very much, Mayor Johnson.

[2:43:05] I think I've reflected already a lot of what I'm have to say.

[2:43:09] But one, I do like the points of interest.

[2:43:12] I, it is a communication tool. It doesn't take long, but it also helps send the message to the community that

[2:43:20] Council is out and about and working with the constituents. And I think that's important part of our roles in a

[2:43:27] some way. I really, when I read the agenda over the weekend, I really was concerned about

[2:43:37] this concept of questions and how we handle those. I can see how it could become an issue

[2:43:50] if there were huge detailed questions continuously coming in, but I think one of our roles

[2:43:58] too is to be a communication link to the public, and one of those communication things

[2:44:06] are making informed questions and also giving full answers, and I really am concerned about

[2:44:15] if we look like we're starting to put controls on that and particularly putting that might

[2:44:22] come up in the laser that and I understand that the question might come up and it said

[2:44:28] right up front look this is just going to take a very long time to answer. But that I think

[2:44:34] is one of the critical roles to a council and I would be very concerned if that on the speaking

[2:44:44] Sometimes, all that, I'm one of the ones who tends to go on and on and on and having a control

[2:44:51] on it is not a big concern for me.

[2:44:55] Usually, you fill the time that's available, they always see a bureaucrat.

[2:45:00] Give them a bigger briefcase and he'll fill it. And I'm a good example of that. I don't really mind the

[2:45:09] the restraints on time and that on the recesses and timing. That's good, but I mean, we already had an example here this morning

[2:45:20] where we had two unexpected recesses. And we have to approach that with the understanding that recesses

[2:45:30] are not always planted and they're also speaking very selfishly here. I certainly have

[2:45:36] found this that come into my new term when you have some health issues that things

[2:45:41] can come up sometimes when you need to expect it and I know that there may well be a time

[2:45:47] in the next while that some of the meetings I'll even if we're back in person I may have

[2:45:53] asked for permission to come in virtually just because of what I may but to do what I'm

[2:45:58] to do. So with that, that's enough I guess for now. You can come to your draw. I have

[2:46:05] for a counselor, Dr. Chris. You have followed by counselor work. Thank you very much. I too would

[2:46:12] like to add my thanks for this good work. It's in my mind not most exciting work that you get to do,

[2:46:19] but it's really important for the way that counselor works together. So I appreciate the expertise

[2:46:24] and the work that's gone into it.

[2:46:26] So we need the procedure by law is a tool that facilitates and claims the work of council.

[2:46:34] And it gives us all understanding of how we will work and how we will approach the subject matter before us.

[2:46:41] So I think it's very important.

[2:46:43] And I hear Councillor White's maybe a little bit of hesitation on it.

[2:46:48] It can't be so restrictive that we can't do our good work.

[2:46:52] It shouldn't be a control mechanism necessarily, and so I agree with that caution.

[2:47:00] I really like the idea of having the agenda review committee back, and I like the fact

[2:47:06] that we're looking at making it even more transparent.

[2:47:08] I think it's an important piece to be involved in as a council member if you're the

[2:47:13] Deputy Mayor. I, of course, support having recesses and some health rates. One of the things I discovered after I was off council in 2013 was how little I had moved in a lot of

[2:47:31] lot of long meetings and how unhealthy that was. So I think it's important for all of our staff and for, you know,

[2:47:43] for hours waiting and waiting and waiting and I question a ability to make good decisions

[2:47:51] and have fit in fiber debate when you get a little tighter than how to take in those

[2:47:57] proper breaks along the way. As far as when information goes, I've explained on it, I think it's

[2:48:08] important to consider the purpose of adding the point of information and what council hopes to get out of it or hopes to provide for the community.

[2:48:17] Through it, at times in the past and I'm going way back a few week quite a few years.

[2:48:23] It would seem like a bit of a laundry list of the things people had gone to and attended and it was like, well,

[2:48:28] you know, here's how busy I was and you know, for whatever reason the council decide you didn't have five things to report on.

[2:48:35] So I don't want it to be used that way.

[2:48:39] I think sometimes there probably are a few things

[2:48:41] that are important.

[2:48:43] So I'm not going to be flying on how that works

[2:48:47] and what it looks like to be meaningful

[2:48:50] for all the counseling and for the community.

[2:48:53] And maybe we are big enough that we can let it go.

[2:48:54] I don't know.

[2:48:56] So I'll leave my comments at that,

[2:48:57] but I do say thank you very much for this important work.

[2:49:01] Thank you, Councillor Cousin, a little bit

[2:49:04] to bear and just some bonds to cost their bonds to the old about my investment would be not

[2:49:14] to be in too much of a very, too, learn experience, counselors, habits, cause you're in

[2:49:20] good place.

[2:49:21] And I'm going to give a place where we don't know what we can't give a

[2:49:27] question place.

[2:49:28] It's a question place to be, actually.

[2:49:30] So, to those who are working on this lot, I have two important things from my perspective

[2:49:37] maybe through.

[2:49:38] The first one would be, I'm ready to be looking for a mechanism for each hurdle, or, or,

[2:49:45] I didn't fall in line with all other counselors where we can share information that we're hearing on the street, or from people,

[2:49:53] maybe in battles in some ideas around. I don't know if that's a community of the whole. I don't know if that's a government's in policy,

[2:49:59] I've community of some structure, but that's what I would ask you to look for, because I think it's really important.

[2:50:06] I think he can make better decisions if he has some better mechanisms for him in formal

[2:50:13] sharing.

[2:50:14] So that would be my first thing.

[2:50:16] My second one would be to make sure it's really clear in terms of electronic meetings

[2:50:19] or hybrid meetings that there's

[2:50:24] a problem structure around that.

[2:50:28] And my third point would be to kind of serve office debt in terms of making sure we don't

[2:50:36] restrict ourselves too much from getting the information that we have.

[2:50:40] actually need that helps us make,

[2:50:45] which is echoed.

[2:50:48] So if we can hear that, that's it for me.

[2:50:50] Thank you very much, Councilor Verkstein, Councilor Boone.

[2:50:56] Thank very much, I agree with many of the points

[2:50:58] that have been expressed to just a couple of things.

[2:51:00] I think there's value in us in evaluating

[2:51:02] our meetings on a periodic basis since part of the process

[2:51:05] of understanding where we are, so I think oftentimes

[2:51:08] for a good meeting management, having that opportunity

[2:51:10] to say this is where we are being effective in challenge ourselves

[2:51:14] to do that.

[2:51:15] And with regards to trying to speak on the arts surprising, I think it's important that we have that opportunity and think our public sees that as our role.

[2:51:23] Getting answers to those questions and truly understanding the nature of the decisions that are making.

[2:51:28] And I would like a little comment from Councillor Dirps and in regards to some of those important meetings.

[2:51:34] Sometimes I think a good fireside child where we know what to, what to, what to hear from the ground.

[2:51:40] And I think there's people realize that we are bringing those perspectives, and let's be honest.

[2:51:46] We have had a lot of perspectives thrown at us.

[2:51:48] I think that allows us to make better decisions.

[2:51:51] So I would support some of those important mechanisms fully recognizing.

[2:51:55] We have to be very careful as to where decisions are.

[2:51:58] But we've got some good minds in our community that want those voices hurting.

[2:52:02] It's important that we have that considerations we go forward.

[2:52:05] So thank you very much in the administration and a good job here and I think it's going to make

[2:52:11] more and more effective.

[2:52:14] Thank you, Councilor Bruno.

[2:52:17] Councilor, thank you.

[2:52:18] Thank you so much again for the questions and the feedback that we just experienced as

[2:52:24] a group.

[2:52:26] Certainly you want to have my own thanks since you're appreciation.

[2:52:30] In addition to everyone involved in this, you know, certainly GM Perkins and in a city park,

[2:52:42] inter-manage, or low-breaking.

[2:52:44] In particular, it's and it's so much work. One of the privileges I have is you may or may are interacting with these folks daily.

[2:52:52] Daily, maybe some of them don't wish that it was daily, but anyway, I get an opportunity

[2:52:58] to interact with them daily and the extent of support, and the heart's direct

[2:53:05] towards being the best we can be, being the best city we can be.

[2:53:10] This is extraordinary, it really is extraordinary how our administration prepares us for the

[2:53:18] decisions.

[2:53:18] that the tough decisions, you know, that we made.

[2:53:23] So tremendous appreciation from that perspective.

[2:53:27] Council ofoperability, you made a great point

[2:53:29] when you said, you know, the perspective of some of the veterans

[2:53:33] and certainly inferred from them today and I'll add my own voice

[2:53:38] to that a couple of observations on the agenda review committee

[2:53:43] is this is going to be a very, I will

[2:53:49] I would say the word transformative tried not to use it too much today, given the business in front of us, but in a certain exchange responsibility, as it relates to how and why I didn't come forward to agenda.

[2:54:04] And how they look, from the administrative and the governance spaces, which the public will be able to get a look for the first time.

[2:54:16] And so that is a foundational change in how we're,

[2:54:22] the way we're procedible.

[2:54:26] The other observation I'd have is this is really

[2:54:31] elevates the preparation of what it comes to in these.

[2:54:36] And I think we all are prepared, it's training well.

[2:54:39] But this refined preparation to an other degree

[2:54:43] in where you're speaking times are now maximized for efficiencies or presuming that's where we're going.

[2:54:51] In our ability to be able to distill a report,

[2:54:55] be the send a question ahead of time, whatever that takes will be given to a public situation.

[2:55:04] So I think that's very, very positive.

[2:55:06] I will say as well, and this is just, you know, I think for information only the public may not be

[2:55:13] that as mayor and councilor, as we meet once in a month,

[2:55:19] councilor Ruma called it a fire side chat.

[2:55:21] I'm glad you didn't say think to the fire chat.

[2:55:24] Some days it feels like that when I'm your mayor.

[2:55:27] However, it is a fire side chat we do.

[2:55:31] Have that opportunity for an hour and a month to meet

[2:55:34] to talk to balance ideas to think about things.

[2:55:39] I move things onto administration.

[2:55:41] We may move things on to a certain committee and working on whatever that looks like and that's I think a good exchange of information as well in terms of how we're you know, functioning as a council.

[2:55:58] So, I would say Ms. Wadwell, you know, I think, also, I want to start

[2:56:04] in the meeting with the field. You're doing six questions. I think you're doing

[2:56:07] seven fill today with lots of good feedback.

[2:56:11] And we look forward, you know, to looking at your first reading, when it comes to

[2:56:16] counsel, you know, in a few weeks time and seeing that.

[2:56:22] So, counsel, that concludes that particular, we don't have to make an entire

[2:56:26] resolution that concludes that item. And I would now recommend we have a little

[2:56:35] announcement break to the one of luck that would give us about a half an hour

[2:56:39] for that. And that being the case, let us recess the one and we'll see you

[3:31:11] Our council to the afternoon, we will pick it up on item 4.1, which is on page 9 of our agenda today, which is our consent calendar.

[3:31:25] Council, a lot of consent calendar, you'll notice that there are two resolutions, the first,

[3:31:31] concerning minutes and two items to information items, and the second, which would be the first

[3:31:40] reading of three bylaws which will return, as you can see here at being here in the for

[3:31:47] second and third meetings to counsel at future dates. So, I trust we've all done an opportunity

[3:31:54] to read the consent calendar and end the, so the first resolution I'll call, if you could read

[3:32:01] that City Clerk will, and I have a lot of that on the move.

[3:32:06] I have Councillor Marks to vote.

[3:32:09] Second, will they cancel their lunches?

[3:32:12] The council.

[3:32:13] The council.

[3:32:14] The council.

[3:32:14] Result the council.

[3:32:15] The city of Red deer having considered the consent calendar from legal and legislative services.

[3:32:19] Hereby approves the following minutes and reports.

[3:32:22] Confirmation of the January 31st, 2022 regular council meeting minutes.

[3:32:27] Next, Generation 911 funding and Free Parking Meterbeg program.

[3:32:36] Classical, are there any questions or comments before we get the question?

[3:32:45] Thank you, Madam Minister Mayer.

[3:32:47] Could you just help me understand why my post is, I'll have it somewhere.

[3:32:52] Just a confirmation.

[3:32:54] If we want to ask questions or have any kind of discussion around any, do we have to

[3:33:03] At the risk of no one else, sorry, I do have a question about 9 next generation 911 and the free parking meter bag, please.

[3:33:20] Okay, the comments or questions on those two items, and then I'll call for motion in the comments.

[3:33:31] So we have moved by Council of Wants,

[3:33:33] for the second of their Council of Wantses.

[3:33:36] They had the confirmation of the regular minutes being accepted,

[3:33:39] or the remaining Council of Wantses of Wantses.

[3:33:43] You're being gone for those minutes or accepted.

[3:33:47] Thank you, Council.

[3:33:48] So Council, I will go to Council Hayen.

[3:33:50] She had questions on these two items.

[3:33:52] So you could need a door Council Hayen.

[3:33:54] This question is going to go ahead.

[3:34:00] Excuse me.

[3:34:01] And I am just going to go.

[3:34:02] Let me turn on the right page.

[3:34:05] So on the first item, which is the 9.1,

[3:34:12] one really question.

[3:34:13] I believe there's just one.

[3:34:14] Yeah, it's on page 30.

[3:34:17] Well, it relates to the report.

[3:34:19] But is will the next generation 9.1 technology that are required mandated from the CRTC

[3:34:27] would have the capacity or the capability to triangulate a person's location

[3:34:33] cell phone call. So I know that currently I think we can do generally the general area

[3:34:40] by triangulation, but is this technology more advanced now that will be required to specifically

[3:34:47] identify a person's location on a cell phone call?

[3:35:01] Happy to do so. There.

[3:35:06] That's why I'm the goal of next generation. I run one.

[3:35:16] I'm not

[3:35:17] will be much better ways to locate callers and buy a phone or other means, perhaps you know

[3:35:25] that protocol based. So, if somebody doesn't even have cellular data, perhaps they may

[3:35:30] call on their cell phone through Wi-Fi will be able to locate their location through that.

[3:35:36] So, that is the intent to one of the primary purposes of the next generation 911 is better

[3:35:40] location accuracy.

[3:35:43] Thank you very much. That is my only question on that one. Thank you.

[3:35:48] I'll also have any other questions on the Senate.

[3:35:52] There are no other questions on the Senate, I would leave.

[3:35:57] I would leave for all proposed councilor high-invoting and councilor may, second day, the

[3:36:03] resolution which is on page 29.

[3:36:06] And I wonder is there's what I want to repeat that resolution in the Councilor?

[3:36:19] Resolve the council of the city of Red Dear having considered the report from the inspections

[3:36:23] and licensing department of my apologies.

[3:36:36] Result the Council of the City of Redder having considered the report from Redder emergency

[3:36:40] services dated February 14, 2022, re-next generation 911 funding, hereby approves the

[3:36:47] additional grant funding, $1.29 million from 2022 to the current capital projects for

[3:36:54] the next generation 911 telephone system and related infrastructure.

[3:37:06] Thank

[3:37:09] you, sir.

[3:37:09] Thank you very much Mr. Mayor and I did want to sever this just because I wanted to highlight I wasn't myself sure of this answer

[3:37:15] And I wanted to highlight for public because this has been an area of you know some concern and hopeful anticipation in terms of the technology kind of catching up with

[3:37:25] You know with the events and and and disasters or

[3:37:30] On the ground when emergencies happen. So, I was so grateful to hear from our active chief current, that this is precisely the direction that this technology is going both from and I alone something today, reading this report that even if you don't have data that it sort of, you know,

[3:37:59] in terms of location, what a tremendous advancement in addressing emergencies, and I just want

[3:38:06] to thank our provincial college counterparts just briefly for this increased funding to accommodate

[3:38:14] this so that it doesn't have, we don't have, it's not downloaded to municipalities such a

[3:38:19] critical requirement from the CRTC. So thank you very much and I will of course be supporting it.

[3:38:29] Thank

[3:38:35] you, Mayor Jones, and I, too, will be supporting the initiative.

[3:38:39] And just for the theme public and immediately as information, this is also an upgrade

[3:38:46] to a program for an infrastructure that has been a place for 30-plus years.

[3:38:53] So I do want to put that in context to recognize that this is an investment over a long

[3:39:01] period of time, and we collect a lot of these revenues from the 911 system itself.

[3:39:07] So thank you.

[3:39:10] Thank you, Councillor Lee.

[3:39:12] Also, let's see further comments.

[3:39:15] I'll call the questions.

[3:39:15] Or there are any concerns opposed to this item.

[3:39:21] You're being non-it, carries unanimously.

[3:39:23] Thank you, Council.

[3:39:24] Moving out to the fee parking need a bad program.

[3:39:28] Councillor Heinle.

[3:39:29] If you wish to have questions on this as well.

[3:39:32] So I do have one question and potentially an amendment based on the response.

[3:39:36] So my one question here is the last of the city.

[3:39:39] I was using pre-COVID 2019 parking revenue,

[3:39:45] I'm asked to estimate the potential loss of parking revenue

[3:39:49] that we would incur this year.

[3:39:52] They came up with $40,000 for last year.

[3:39:54] And this year is at 103,000 in terms of lost revenue.

[3:39:58] Just comment on why the job, if in 2019 pre-COVID, the parking loss parking revenue was estimated

[3:40:09] at $40 or was at $40,000, then we used that for 2021, while we now jump in 223 for 222.

[3:40:22] Through Mayor Johnson to Councilor Hymn, we did use information from 2021 in

[3:40:32] developing what the loss of revenue looks like.

[3:40:36] The also the assumptions need to anticipate that there will be some return to

[3:40:42] pre-COVID type financials sometime around the fall.

[3:40:48] So you'll recall the previous approval only included an approval for six months

[3:40:53] timeframe. This does, this is anticipated for one year timeframe until the end of 2022.

[3:41:06] So, essentially, we're doubling from the six months to the one year we'd bring us to 80,000 correct.

[3:41:13] And then we're set additional 30 from 80 to 103 I think it is 103, the additional 23,000.

[3:41:28] Through Mayor Johnson to counter him, we did include a little bit extra in regards to the funding of the banks.

[3:41:37] So, you will have noticed that the bags did not, they looked kind of shabby after the winter and the fall months.

[3:41:48] And so, we have included a higher budget amount for either two bags if required or we are looking at more of a substantial material.

[3:41:58] In regards to the difference between the financials, I'm not sure why the difference from 2020-2021 to this year.

[3:42:08] However, I can, I was involved in directly preparing the financials for this request.

[3:42:14] And it does take into consideration all of the usage data from last year's timeframe, as well as the assumption of returning to pre-COVID financial usage in September.

[3:42:27] And that's my point and I don't want to believe it because it's a difference of 23,000 and it doesn't account for that's an additional 10,000 for the bags to bring it up to 113,000.

[3:42:37] We were at an $80,000 last revenue estimate based on 2019 numbers, so are we basing in 2021?

[3:42:51] Are we counting those three parking spots that we assigned and that accounts for the discrepancy of $23,000?

[3:42:59] I'm just not clear on this.

[3:43:02] Sorry, can you ask the last portion are we including the free parking souls as part of I just didn't understand

[3:43:10] I didn't ask it well, so I will be free. So if we're basing based on

[3:43:16] 2021

[3:43:18] In 2021 we had the free parking program in

[3:43:23] to attack, so are we using potential lost revenue from those free parking?

[3:43:31] Do you want to get because otherwise, in 2019, it would only be $80,000 lost revenue, and now

[3:43:39] we're doing $103,000, so is it that that many more people are coming to the downtown because

[3:43:45] for parking or other reasons why I'm increasing by 23,000?

[3:43:53] Through a Mayor Johnson to Councilor Ham, what I will say is I do believe that we have better

[3:43:58] data this year. It was a struggle last year to attempt to make estimations on the information

[3:44:05] that was provided as part of that request because we remid your during COVID. So the information

[3:44:12] that that was relied on for that request was not as I would say concrete as the information

[3:44:20] that was provided as part of the request that's before you today. Other than that, I can't

[3:44:25] speak to the difference of the transparency between the two.

[3:44:29] Okay, that is my only question. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[3:44:35] Thank you, Professor. Professor Watches. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for the report.

[3:44:40] I have two questions. The first one is, can you just verify Mr. Lord, what is the actual cost of parking for an individual?

[3:44:50] I want to conversation recently about the cost of parking, so I just want to confirm that.

[3:44:55] So for instance, what you get for 15 minutes, what do you get for an hour and an hour and an hour?

[3:45:00] How much is the cost? That's my first question, thank you.

[3:45:04] Through Mayor Johnson to Councillor Wainches, that's a rather complicated question in that there are several options available to an individual who wishes to support downtown.

[3:45:16] So, depending on the area where the street, we do provide variances as far as time limits. They vary from 30 minute meters all the way up to four hour, eight hour meters.

[3:45:28] We also have variations as far as what the charge at that individual meter is, as well as our

[3:45:36] Austrian parking lots.

[3:45:38] And so depending on whether the individual is wanting to maybe pay a higher premium, but

[3:45:46] they don't have to walk as far or maybe they're willing to walk further and they pay a

[3:45:51] lower amount.

[3:45:52] It's really dependent.

[3:45:53] And so we use a number of those different variables to control the usage level, which we

[3:45:58] are actually targeting at an 85% utilization rate.

[3:46:02] So we have different tools that are toolbox that we use, but I would say the price per hour

[3:46:09] as well as the time limit are two of the ones that are used most frequently.

[3:46:16] Thank you for that, Mr. Ritz.

[3:46:18] I'll perhaps I'll just phrase what was suggested to the community, and what you said to me

[3:46:24] is that we have different charges at meters, so that make our party even more complicated

[3:46:28] for someone who parks downtown.

[3:46:31] But they said, why doesn't the city just make it easier, for instance, the individual calculated

[3:46:37] it was 25 cents, you got nine minutes, and he thought it should be 15 minutes.

[3:46:42] For a loony, you've got 36 minutes, and you've got, you know, put in a loony, you get an hour

[3:46:48] partying, or even a chimney, you get two hours versus they get to 68 minutes.

[3:46:53] So can you just comment on the complexity of that, because it seems like if we're encouraging

[3:46:58] people to come downtown, they park at one area and then they park in another and it's different

[3:47:01] rates and it's confusing.

[3:47:03] So just comment, please.

[3:47:05] It's for Mayor Johnson to count through, and she's, thank you for your question, because

[3:47:10] I get to talk about another project that was approved by Council as part of our capital budget, and that is the replacement of our parking infrastructure.

[3:47:20] And so that is happening in 2020 to 2023 as well.

[3:47:25] And so the project in the request before you today is purely related to a temporary means of providing an incentive for people to come down and that's the free days on the meters.

[3:47:36] The parking infrastructure project is actually a holistic replacement of all of our pay infrastructure, as well as a review of how we're charging what opportunities people have to pay, what that looks like all of our time limits every component that you see today in relation to parking will be reviewed as part of that project.

[3:48:00] So we are really excited about launching into that initiative, because I think it will have

[3:48:08] some, there's a lot of opportunities available within there to alleviate some of the concerns

[3:48:13] that people feel in regards to parking.

[3:48:17] Thank you for that, Mr. Rick.

[3:48:19] Because that was my next question in terms of the update on that, so thank you for providing it.

[3:48:23] But can we provide any clarity to the citizens who perhaps are, or is that a budget issue

[3:48:29] that council can perhaps rectify that so it makes it more user friendly until we get to that

[3:48:35] parking infrastructure development that we've met to modernize it can be looked at perhaps

[3:48:41] making it easier like the 25 cents per 15 minutes or you know an hour for 36 or is that a

[3:48:47] budgetary matter that can be brought to us. The third mayor Johnson's two council wishes.

[3:48:55] Unfortunately, we're limited currently because it takes the significant amount of work to modify each of those individual meters.

[3:49:06] And so we don't typically do that randomly because of the involvement as well as the fact that it has been approved by Council as part of our budget.

[3:49:17] And so what I would say is that we really are not very far off from installing that new infrastructure.

[3:49:26] And so if people can, by all means, reach out to us if they have questions.

[3:49:31] If there's a better way of presenting information on our website, please reach out and let us know what that is.

[3:49:37] But just hang tight for a bit, and I think a lot of those problems will be resolved with that installation of the new infrastructure.

[3:49:45] It goes hand in hand with looking out different ways of paying for it, so potentially using apps.

[3:49:53] Be able to see where souls are available and if it's currently being used.

[3:49:57] All of those different components will form part of that project, but it would be rather difficult to change that currently.

[3:50:05] Thank you very much. Those are my questions, Mayor. Thank you.

[3:50:09] Thank you, Colson.

[3:50:13] Thank you for your information.

[3:50:15] I was actually going to ask about the parking in the parking infrastructure.

[3:50:20] So, when you be able to, for instance, if you wanted to get 15 minutes free,

[3:50:24] everybody, for two months, because that means we don't want these new

[3:50:29] conversation infrastructure.

[3:50:34] Through Mayor Johnson to council projects, and what I will say is I don't

[3:50:38] yet know what the infrastructure will absolutely look like,

[3:50:42] but it's very, very interesting to see what's available

[3:50:47] and the opportunities they're out there.

[3:50:50] So while I can't speak specifically to that,

[3:50:54] one of the things that we are looking at

[3:50:55] is more efficiencies around those types of things.

[3:50:59] So if we're needing to modify rate,

[3:51:00] so we're needing to provide this incentive again,

[3:51:06] are there different ways of providing for that

[3:51:08] the infrastructure. So I appreciate the comments. We're just not so deep into it. I don't

[3:51:14] yet quite know what it looks like.

[3:51:16] Awesome, thank you.

[3:51:20] Thank you, Councillor. I have a question. Once a goal, we're going to

[3:51:23] continue to meet.

[3:51:26] Thank you very much.

[3:51:30] I have a question. I don't know if it can be

[3:51:33] addressed in this meeting, maybe it's worth mentioning, but what if

[3:51:45] the

[3:51:54] Thank you, Councillor Burns Sabel.

[3:51:56] If you give me just one minute here, we can pull that information.

[3:51:59] I know one of my friends in the background are doing so.

[3:52:03] But what I will say in regards to that,

[3:52:05] I want to say about $2.5 million was approved for the project.

[3:52:11] And we are also in the process of looking into some grant funding that's available for the project.

[3:52:17] So that's off the top of my head. I'll just see if we can confirm out if you bear with me for just one second.

[3:52:27] Yes, the budget approved was 2.5 million.

[3:52:31] Okay. And then my second question is regarding the specific day program we're talking about today. Are the three parking

[3:52:40] bags going only on four to eight hour meters or are they going on 50 meters by part of the variation,

[3:52:45] or how would we set up that way?

[3:52:49] Through there, Johnson's Council, Brian Sable, a great question. We went through the process of simply

[3:52:54] begging every fifth meter. So that includes both four hour, eight hour, two hours, and then

[3:53:02] I'm trying to recall if it did hit the 30 meter begs. I believe the 30 minute begs were

[3:53:09] 30 minute meters per meter. The only ones that were not begged off. And we're limited in locations

[3:53:15] as far as those 30 minute meters. There are simply located just immediately outside the front of

[3:53:21] the Hall and the Court House on 48th Avenue.

[3:53:27] The rest of them are every fifth.

[3:53:32] They're actually people.

[3:53:36] Yeah.

[3:53:36] You're a bunch of the people that they've been doing.

[3:53:45] Through Mayor Johnson to Councillor Byrne Stable.

[3:53:48] At this time, it's just been in relation to the on

[3:53:52] street parking meters.

[3:53:54] The off street lots are typically more

[3:53:58] We typically incentivize those that are down here for longer term parking to park off street.

[3:54:05] And so it was felt that an incentivization of the on street was likely better for visitors,

[3:54:11] who may not be down here for longer than an hour or two.

[3:54:16] However, I do think as part of the parking infrastructure project,

[3:54:21] I think is the launch of looking at parking differently

[3:54:26] and using that as a tool to incentivize different things within the downtown on economic developments.

[3:54:35] So I'm really excited about that project.

[3:54:38] We just had our internal stakeholder launch last week with all of the various different departments.

[3:54:45] And so I think it's going to be a very significant project for the downtown.

[3:54:51] Thank you.

[3:54:53] Thank you.

[3:54:55] Thank

[3:54:57] you, Mayor Johnson, and thank you, Councillor Burns Fable, like we did till the end of the

[3:55:03] queue, and that probably saved you guys 20 minutes, because most of you have already asked questions

[3:55:10] that I wouldn't in to address. But on a more budgetary note, Mayor Johnson, just to administration,

[3:55:19] And what value are citizens getting in terms of our current parking fees versus say a

[3:55:29] left-bridge mess and had inventory Calgary?

[3:55:32] So are we in the right range of charging the right parking fees for our municipality and

[3:55:40] that's my first question?

[3:55:44] The three of Mayor Johnson's in Councilor Lee, you guys are full of great questions today

[3:55:49] It wasn't expecting some of these, but I do believe that you'll recall a number of years ago,

[3:55:58] there was a study done for the downtown which included a component related to parking usage.

[3:56:05] And so what they found was that we actually have unabundance of supply.

[3:56:12] And so as part of that project, we started to look at parking very differently.

[3:56:17] we have the parking management strategy document now and so it has those goals or outcomes

[3:56:23] that we look at. And as part of that, a budget request had been approved by council to implement

[3:56:31] different time restrictions as well as rates throughout the downtown and do lot leases.

[3:56:39] So prior to a couple of years ago, we weren't doing monthly leases within our parking lots.

[3:56:44] that's has had a huge demand.

[3:56:47] We have wait lists for a number of our parking lots

[3:56:49] because the demand is so high for monthly usage.

[3:56:53] So I do feel without providing specifics

[3:56:55] that we are providing value in the dollar amounts

[3:57:01] that are being charged currently.

[3:57:03] But as indicated, that will all be reviewed

[3:57:06] as part of this project in 2022.

[3:57:10] And my final question we're going to mention is,

[3:57:12] I would like to respect our current infrastructure,

[3:57:17] would you say administration is the view

[3:57:19] of the current state of our current infrastructure in terms of repairs maintenance, that sort

[3:57:25] of facilitation?

[3:57:27] How good is shape are we in to even continue with or not continue with our current infrastructure?

[3:57:34] So,

[3:57:37] we're very Johnson to councilor Lee, we quite honestly are just kind of handling

[3:57:46] along at this point.

[3:57:47] Our infrastructure is well past its use of use of life, and we are struggling to obtain

[3:57:56] the parts required to fix some of our parking areas, the parking unit are specifically.

[3:58:01] The other components in relation to this is that some of the different technologies don't speak to each other.

[3:58:10] So for instance, the meters were done separately from our Austrian parking lot P equipments.

[3:58:16] And so they don't speak to each other, which isn't ideal in the sense that when you're starting to have conversations about the holistic view of parking and usage and all of those different components,

[3:58:28] It's really important that those systems are providing the same information and the same

[3:58:34] forms and you can pull it out when you need to.

[3:58:38] So I think that is also one of the other benefits of this project being done as it is.

[3:58:45] We will be reviewing all of it together instead of peace feeling it.

[3:58:49] Thank you.

[3:58:50] In my last question, just in terms of will the new parking infrastructure require

[3:58:57] Like I know in the past we've had at least two commissioners walking down the street with a container.

[3:59:07] I would call it a safe space with a coin going into that container.

[3:59:13] With that process, I'll date it at that point or we still require staff to do that.

[3:59:20] So, to Councillor Lee, without knowing specifically what the new infrastructure will look like,

[3:59:30] one of the components related to that, which I think is significant as how people pay for the usage of that.

[3:59:38] And so, looking at things like apps and credit cards and tap, and all of those different technologies that are now available,

[3:59:46] and weren't available 12 or 15 years ago when not infrastructure was installed.

[3:59:52] So will we still have some coin pickup likely?

[3:59:57] Because there are still some people who may wish.

[4:00:00] To use Queen. However, I do think that the amount or the volume of Queen will be minimized quite extensively.

[4:00:10] And then there may not be individual leaders. It may be that there's paid as lay machines located throughout and across the street. So it may be less burdensome to staff in order to pick that point out.

[4:00:27] Thank you, and I give it back to you, Mayor Johnson.

[4:00:32] Thank you, Councillor Cousin.

[4:00:35] Thank you very much, Mayor Johnson.

[4:00:36] Through this steward, in terms of when we were,

[4:00:41] let's call it normal times, and where we are at today,

[4:00:44] do we have a sense of what the net proceeds are for our parking,

[4:00:48] will be a tremendous, all-ranking sources and all expenses?

[4:00:52] And I'm running a particular injury in this last year,

[4:00:55] hear it out with the COVID case if it's still continues to be brought to me.

[4:01:03] It's through your worship to Council of Bermas.

[4:01:06] I don't have the exact financial information available at this point.

[4:01:12] To be honest, it wasn't expecting all of these questions to this degree.

[4:01:16] However, we certainly can get that information for you.

[4:01:20] What I would say is that revenue has been has decreased as far as what has come

[4:01:27] over the course of COVID, which isn't surprising given the fact that there's been working

[4:01:33] from home orders as well as what I would say there's been a significant impact because of the

[4:01:41] Donald school doing courses online. So there certainly has been an impact to parking there.

[4:01:48] We haven't turned means and significant changes in our operations to try to reduce costs associated

[4:01:54] with running parking as well and doing things differently. So I think that's helped to offset

[4:02:02] the losses of revenue in there. But I was also quite pleasantly surprised to see that there's

[4:02:11] still are a number of visitors that are coming into the downtown and it does certainly seem like

[4:02:16] that has increased over the last couple of months, as well as into the summer months there. So

[4:02:22] I do believe that we should start, I'm hopeful, to feed some of those numbers return to pre-COVID's this year.

[4:02:33] Thanks very much for sticking in. Dear Johnson, turn to Mr. Stewart.

[4:02:37] Part of it is I was just wanting to do is any five given the challenges for downtown businesses and wanting to attract,

[4:02:45] or if this routine span you're if you're working in charge for parking.

[4:02:48] If it is, you know, from a financial perspective, a wash or a proper, or a suggest, from the decision making perspective, that's the reason I'm asking the question, as we try to make downtown more attractive and doing that.

[4:03:04] So, again, I think it probably provided you answer, but that's my rationale for asking the question, I'm not sure if you have any more to add to that.

[4:03:12] Through your worship to Council Burma, I do feel as though if you were to reach out to

[4:03:19] downtown businesses, they would probably be slits in regards to whether or not they

[4:03:25] fundamentally believe in paid parking. So there will be those businesses that don't

[4:03:31] wish to see paid parking and we did have that scenario quite some time ago when these

[4:03:37] were actually installed. However, there's probably a fair chunk that on the other side would

[4:03:44] they want to see paid parking because it does result in that turnover. It does result in

[4:03:50] shortage or longer-term parking typically, which is employees, they are then in turn in the off-street

[4:03:59] parking lots. So I don't think the moving the requirement for paid parking is the answer.

[4:04:05] parking will always kind of poke people because it's just one of those things that

[4:04:13] immediately get people riled up but I do think there's certainly different ways of

[4:04:17] looking at things and doing things differently and overall infrastructure of placement I

[4:04:24] think is key to that and then finally I would just say if it's something that's of interest

[4:04:29] to council we can certainly send out the parking management strategy along with some of

[4:04:35] So updated financial information or easy information, if that's a bit of interest.

[4:04:43] I'll turn it here, Johnson, I'll leave that to my council colleagues if they would like to see that information.

[4:04:48] I think there is some value in doing it.

[4:04:50] I appreciate it.

[4:04:51] Mr. Rick and regards to your conversation about where business is out.

[4:04:55] I think it's important.

[4:04:56] And I know that there wasn't much in the area of opportunities for stakeholder consultations on this,

[4:05:02] but I do hope that the voice of the downtown business association and business community is part of that.

[4:05:07] I also think, as you have outlined in your report, that concerns of employee and staff parking,

[4:05:13] those are impediments for making this work and I hope you would be down to how business association work can work to make sure we can achieve the objectives we're wanting to do with this.

[4:05:21] Thank you very much.

[4:05:26] Thank you, Councillor.

[4:05:27] Are there not seeing any further questions?

[4:05:31] Thank you, Mr.ford, for the report.

[4:05:33] And that's a lot of call for in mover and second order.

[4:05:38] On the item that it is a resolution found on page 32,

[4:05:43] I'll ask this to ask the City Clerk to read the resolution.

[4:05:45] You have to record it and then I will call for a mover and second order on the draw.

[4:05:51] So go ahead to the City Clerk for our vote, please.

[4:05:54] Resolve the Council of the City of Redger.

[4:05:55] Have it considered their report from inspections and licensing.

[4:05:58] data February 14, 2022 free parking meter bag program here by direct

[4:06:05] administration to foster activity in the downtown by providing temporary

[4:06:09] two-hour free parking in 215 spots for 2022 and that council approve a one-time

[4:06:16] allocation of $113,000 from the operating reserve tax-supported budget.

[4:06:22] Thank you.

[4:06:23] On the draw, I will go with Councillor Ryan seconded by Councillor Brooks and Councillor

[4:06:29] Ryan.

[4:06:30] Did you wish to address the matter?

[4:06:35] Yes, I did.

[4:06:36] Councillor Mayer.

[4:06:37] Did you have any?

[4:06:38] Yes.

[4:06:39] Thank you.

[4:06:40] Okay.

[4:06:41] So,

[4:06:43] some of the very, very quick background in terms of, it wasn't in the report, but in terms of

[4:06:50] our Turkey utility, the history of it.

[4:06:54] I didn't recall that it was last year or the previous year, but Council moved our

[4:07:01] parking infrastructure program from a self-funded, I say self-funded because it was

[4:07:05] chronically underfunded or chronically ran in the random to the burdens of the

[4:07:10] adventure from the park aid. And so because of that, Council made the decision to move it

[4:07:17] self-funded utility program into the into the tax base, the property tax base.

[4:07:26] So because of this,

[4:07:30] I find myself in, you know, I've really been wrestling with this over the weekend. I find myself reticent to extend this free parking

[4:07:39] meter program into this year, giving the fact that our community and province, we appear to be on the

[4:07:46] cost of COVID restrictions being lifted shortly and you know, an anticipated return to something

[4:07:55] have a pre-COVID lifestyle in terms of, you know, attraction to the downtown or activity in

[4:08:03] the downtown.

[4:08:04] And then secondly, the fact that the parking infrastructure is now funded through the tax

[4:08:10] base versus as a self-learning utility.

[4:08:13] So, I just supported for last year, because, you know, we were still struggling through the

[4:08:22] and wanting to provide some relief to our community to our citizens and attract our visitors to the downtown,

[4:08:30] but incredibly I find myself unable to support it for this year for those reasons by doubt applied.

[4:08:36] Thank you.

[4:08:39] Thank you.

[4:08:39] Thank you, Mayor Johnson.

[4:08:44] I will be supporting the initiative for a one more year.

[4:08:48] and tell at least we see a new parking infrastructure come in.

[4:08:57] I think what it does is it balances, you know,

[4:09:01] I think it balances the need in our downtown.

[4:09:04] It has had some positive effect.

[4:09:06] I noted in the report and I know that that is probably anecdotal

[4:09:10] from our staff on the ground.

[4:09:12] But, you know, the majority of the working hours of our meters, that those 250 installs

[4:09:22] were being utilized.

[4:09:24] So I see that that is a good sign.

[4:09:27] I do believe, though, that this is a complex issue, downtown parkings have many different

[4:09:36] tentacles and facets of what we have to look at.

[4:09:39] I look at the parking revenues, not just being a source to support that infrastructure,

[4:09:51] but also to supplement, you know, some of the initiatives that are going down town, and

[4:09:58] the continual infrastructure that will need to be invested in the downtown.

[4:10:02] And I see that because I look at an area now that we are beginning to see and develop,

[4:10:08] which is Capstone, and you don't see a lot of parking in Capstone, and there's reason

[4:10:16] for that.

[4:10:16] It's deliberate whether you're biking, transport, sorry, using a transit, public transit,

[4:10:22] or late walking, that area becomes more utilized and more attractive to certain segments

[4:10:30] or certain businesses that will eventually locate there.

[4:10:36] So hopefully parking will be as much as

[4:10:39] the shoe that it is in our old downtown.

[4:10:42] But we're always deep parking.

[4:10:44] The new courthouse going up is a moniker of that.

[4:10:47] We will absolutely have more utilization.

[4:10:52] I hope we do hit the 85% utilization of parking in our downtown.

[4:10:57] Because that would mean we have a healthy downtown.

[4:11:00] So I will be supporting it simply because we have

[4:11:04] all dated infrastructure in place. It's a good balance for the community. It offers an option

[4:11:12] for those that are doing short-term visits and visitors to our city to be able to enjoy

[4:11:19] the streetscape or attend a visit for a two-hour period as opposed to not coming down

[4:11:27] So, Dr.

[4:11:30] Dr.

[4:11:31] Thank you, Councillor Gly, have excuse me.

[4:11:36] Passo, I want to just go ahead.

[4:11:38] Thank you, Mayor Johnson.

[4:11:40] I will be supporting this.

[4:11:42] As the students said, parking is complicated

[4:11:44] and for those of you who have been on council for a while now,

[4:11:48] you sometimes get the wrath of those who are unfortunately

[4:11:52] received a parking ticket, as well as the appreciation

[4:11:56] from those who now are seeing the bank meters down town and it took the previous council

[4:12:03] is a long time to get us finally to the bank meters and I would hate to see it disappear

[4:12:09] just after the one summer and winter. I think this do it has indicated the complexity of it

[4:12:17] based upon my questions about asking and the challenges for some of our citizens and understanding

[4:12:22] So I really look forward to the investment and the cost we'll make with respect to the modernization of parking.

[4:12:28] If you've traveled to other major cities, you certainly see that and that will help those hopefully not get tickets.

[4:12:35] I also think it's important that the individuals that I've spoken to and even watched some of the comments in social media.

[4:12:42] There still is a drive for some people saying free parking for all, but I think that was explained by administration why it's important to have that balance of parking.

[4:12:52] He's in provided so for me I will support it and look forward to the outcomes and along with the new modernized parking infrastructure.

[4:13:01] Thank you.

[4:13:02] Thank you.

[4:13:03] Thank you.

[4:13:07] My will be supporting this initiative.

[4:13:10] Speaking to your number of people in the downtown community.

[4:13:12] I know they appreciate any time.

[4:13:15] Any kind of enticing effect.

[4:13:17] to have some visit their business especially something like a, you know, you have a coffee shop that,

[4:13:22] you know, we don't want to spend $10 on parking and $2 on coffee doesn't seem to add up to make it to make sense.

[4:13:29] So I will be for the definition of, I know I wasn't part of the last council decided on me.

[4:13:34] We infrastructure for the parking that's coming into downtown.

[4:13:38] Hearing the costs associated, I'd love to see those numbers and reports as well, just hearing about 2.5 million for something

[4:13:45] that, you know, many businesses that lead the GANSon area would like to see, you know,

[4:13:51] there'd be less restrictions on parking.

[4:13:54] So, I'd be interested to see that the class analysis was the revenue, where I'd get to see,

[4:13:58] and I know that the conversation is another day, but for the time being,

[4:14:01] I'm excited and thankful that we can offer free parking to some.

[4:14:06] And I'd like to see free parking be expanded in a way as

[4:14:11] I have been privating to the information that the previous

[4:14:16] Council have, but I

[4:14:23] look closer to Council Room.

[4:14:28] It's very much I appreciate the number of questions that have been asked and been

[4:14:32] speaking on the agenda person discussion.

[4:14:35] As I was asking about earlier, with Mr. Guards Department, I believe that during our current

[4:14:39] time we need to do everything we can to attract the full of challenges there, so I'm not looking

[4:14:45] out of for a long-term piece, but I do believe that we need to look at parking in the

[4:14:50] guys where the customers are in certain ways, it is an impediment to downtown and needs to

[4:14:55] do that.

[4:14:56] I also think a bit, regardless if there is.

[4:15:00] Good evening to make sure there is that over turn of a journal where I should say if people live

[4:15:04] Parkinson's Falls to do that. It's a complicated initiative and I appreciate it's up to you.

[4:15:09] And educated and a little bit more on it today.

[4:15:14] You can consider I am not seeing me further, so we're good. Council will call the question. Those opposed to this item.

[4:15:27] Thank you, Councillor. That passes in the majority. Thank you so much for that council and thank you very, very much.

[4:15:36] Once again for work in the court.

[4:15:40] So council, our next items on the consent agenda are 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7. The

[4:15:51] computer, the convenience by law amendment, the land use by law make sure yes, there are

[4:15:57] those three items. So, I would call it for a mover and

[4:16:08] on the draw, I have counselor,

[4:16:10] Bruma, seconded by counselor, draw, and then I will open up for any severing or whatever.

[4:16:19] So, I see Councilor Haim go ahead.

[4:16:23] So, I'm sorry, I'm still not familiar with exactly the timing of the process, but I didn't want to sever the scooter by law as I have amendments.

[4:16:41] There are any other words, severings on the board inside these scooters.

[4:16:49] Thank you, Council.

[4:16:51] So, I will be calling that for acceptance on the consent agenda of item 4.6 and 4.7.

[4:16:59] And we have moved by Councilor Burma, seconded by Councilor Gaul,

[4:17:03] the remaining Councilors, of course, the acceptance of those two items.

[4:17:08] We're good, they passed unanimously.

[4:17:11] So the severed item now becomes 4.5.

[4:17:14] And Councilor Kham, I will come take you to have questions,

[4:17:18] or do you want to make four questions before you do any amendments,

[4:17:24] or do you have questions as well?

[4:17:25] I do. I do have questions for you.

[4:17:28] Thank you, that's fine for that.

[4:17:31] Yeah, thank you.

[4:17:32] So I just wanted to ask around...

[4:17:37] Before my...

[4:17:40] Go for my hand.

[4:17:40] I wanted to ask around the...

[4:17:44] No, and this is on page 112 of our agenda.

[4:17:48] So a person less than 18 years old shall not operate in a scooter.

[4:17:53] So just rationale around that, knowing that, for example,

[4:17:57] Just in a little very quick research and a 12-year-old can operate and motorized bike in Alberta.

[4:18:07] A 14-year-old can drive a car with a learner's license, so you have to have an adult license adult present.

[4:18:14] But 14-year-old can drive a car with a learner's a 16-year-old can drive a car on their own.

[4:18:20] And surprisingly, a 16-year-old can fly a plane solo.

[4:18:27] So I guess, you know, the challenge for me is why we are restricting to those under 18 not allowed typically under the bylaw and yet, you know, anecdotally and really in reality, what we saw on our streets, every single day through this pilot last summer, and into the fall was families kids under 18 were utilizing it.

[4:18:55] We'll just come in from an illustration to have to ask that, you know, the economy for me.

[4:19:07] To Mayor Johnson to account for, hi, I'm great questions and this is a very awkward piece of the

[4:19:16] Institute of Program.

[4:19:17] So, under the province of Alberta, the exception permits for the companies that do apply for them,

[4:19:25] state that authorized writers must be 16 years of age or the age prescribed by the local

[4:19:31] municipality. So, yes, I've done the line with an operator's permits. Where we is aligned with

[4:19:37] that 18 years of age was to be similar to our counter-person image in the Calgary with their

[4:19:42] pilot programs, but also from the perspective of insurance waviors. So, as a user of the East

[4:19:49] to program when you're signing into the app and saying that you were going to operate this vehicle

[4:19:54] or per vehicle.

[4:19:57] That you're signing off on any damages that may happen.

[4:20:00] Somebody under the legal age of 18 does not necessarily have that adult classification

[4:20:06] to wave their insurance right to that.

[4:20:10] There are pieces of this that we've flagged with the company.

[4:20:13] So we'll be working with them on throughout season 2 to figure out what that logistically looks like

[4:20:18] to change the program, become permanent.

[4:20:21] It makes sense operationally for it to align with a 16 year age classification,

[4:20:26] given that you can, like you say, play in solo, but there's just

[4:20:30] some more work that needs to happen before we can reduce that age.

[4:20:37] So I guess I'm really struggling in terms of, you know,

[4:20:42] I recognize there's one regime, the insurance regime,

[4:20:48] And that's what the scooter companies are bound to correct through contract to their users.

[4:20:56] But in terms of, this is a separate regime that we're dealing with.

[4:20:59] When I'm looking at this by-law that we are proposing to pass,

[4:21:04] this is a municipal regime where we will enforce and by penalty,

[4:21:09] I'm fine,

[4:21:13] those who don't abine the buy loss.

[4:21:15] So I see it potentially as two different streams,

[4:21:19] and I personally not sure I can support finding someone

[4:21:23] 60 dollars, so I don't support it.

[4:21:27] You know, when we know that they're going to be hundreds of,

[4:21:30] you know, under 18, that's what we saw in the streets all the time.

[4:21:34] So can we just speak to that?

[4:21:36] Why can't we have a regime in terms of what we are going to enforce

[4:21:39] with fines that is different from an insurance policy regime that the companies are helping.

[4:21:49] Through Mayor Johnson to Councillor Hayham, a great question again.

[4:21:53] So we did align with the other municipalities that we compare with, and this is an effective

[4:21:57] pilot project.

[4:21:59] So we pulled a look at reducing that age under the permanent structure once we've had our time

[4:22:04] to do the due diligence pieces.

[4:22:05] It is likely a minimal risk for taking in the fact that those tools are in there for more repeat of vendors.

[4:22:13] And in my conversations with me to a simple piece in our CMP,

[4:22:17] our first and primary objective of this product program is the educational and safety components of the program.

[4:22:24] So, again, I'm sure people understand the wise of it's proper usage.

[4:22:27] Those would be the tools first and all.

[4:22:30] Only in a case where somebody is a consistent repeat-of-bender or basically operating with undue care and attention, causing harm, those types of things are where the funds and ticketing will come into play.

[4:22:42] So somebody being ticketed as a 16-year rider in this year, the pilot would be very minimal.

[4:22:49] I think they would have to be operating with extreme dangers in order for an RC&P member. I mean, it's so pleasing officer to take it under that roll.

[4:22:57] One

[4:23:03] question then is if this is a pilot program, why are we unending our BILAR to address it?

[4:23:13] When we had a pilot program all of a sudden without this included in the BILAR,

[4:23:19] I don't mean wait until we did a permanent program.

[4:23:24] Through our Johnson Council, I am a great question.

[4:23:27] So we did make some modifications for the language in the first BILAR program.

[4:23:30] by law amendments. The funds are coming after some of those educational pieces, pieces, and the

[4:23:36] challenges that our safety and municipal policing had with repeat offenders. So really, they could do

[4:23:41] the education, they could do the warning, but we have no teeth to curb some of that behavior for those

[4:23:46] that consistently portrayed unsafe uses.

[4:23:52] Those are my questions. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. But I will

[4:23:54] have, I think I will still bring some proposed amendments at the appropriate time.

[4:24:15] Thank you.

[4:24:19] So there you are, so Cassidy White has nothing to go.

[4:24:24] Now, I don't know about today if it's me or you spoke, thank you for that.

[4:24:29] I see some people frozen on my screen and some people very active.

[4:24:33] So it's really a strange day.

[4:24:36] Thank you for asking me the questions and commenting about the offenses.

[4:24:40] My question is about the feedback about how long scooters were left in areas.

[4:24:49] That was one of the conversations that I had with citizens regarding seeing scooters

[4:24:53] left and noting some were picked up quite quickly while others were left for a while.

[4:25:00] So just to comment on that in terms of how the operators respond to those leftover scooters.

[4:25:05] Thank you.

[4:25:08] Thanks for the question.

[4:25:09] through Mayor Johnson to Council on Chess.

[4:25:11] So on our licensing agreement with each individual company,

[4:25:14] four scooters that are left in an area that are not

[4:25:17] deemed an imminent safety concern, for example, blocking a roadway

[4:25:22] or an accessible crossing that those types of pieces.

[4:25:25] They have up to three days to pick up those scooters

[4:25:28] that are not part in an imminent safety concern platform.

[4:25:32] After the three days, all of the city does have the right

[4:25:35] to then go pick it up to the complaints continue

[4:25:37] and then charge back to the companies in the first season where we received those concerns

[4:25:42] stating that, you know, this is day four and the students still sitting on the front of my lawn.

[4:25:47] We have a really great relationship with the six companies that were here for the first season of the

[4:25:51] pilots and they've responded quite quickly. They have a vested interest in the success of the program

[4:25:58] and being responsive as part of that success. So I think that relationship will continue and

[4:26:03] as this computer concerns come forward, we will act on them as quickly as possible.

[4:26:10] Thank you for that.

[4:26:11] Did we have a student or hotline to call or was that just a regular city call in number?

[4:26:19] Through Mayor Johnson to council lunch as we encourage most of those concerns to come through

[4:26:24] our report problem.

[4:26:25] And there is a specific and scooter classification that would come to our departments.

[4:26:30] We can respond very quickly that way. I'm also somebody called our licensing line or public board's line

[4:26:35] It also got forwarded to inspections and licensing to respond

[4:26:39] Very good. Thank you. Those are my questions

[4:26:42] Thank you, Councillor. I have councillor Dirks

[4:26:47] I just have one second question

[4:26:50] What happens if we don't pass the file?

[4:26:56] to Mayor Johnson to Councilor Durkson.

[4:26:59] If he don't pass the by-law,

[4:27:00] then especially if he wouldn't have the ability

[4:27:02] to issue any Pfizer penalties,

[4:27:04] for some of those repeat offenders,

[4:27:06] we was still be able to provide the educational components

[4:27:09] and focus on the safety,

[4:27:11] and use of the e-scooters that that's where we wouldn't have

[4:27:14] those extra tools to gain proper compliance.

[4:27:19] Welcome to the last question on a different way,

[4:27:22] are we even about to tell a why?

[4:27:27] So Mayor Johnson to Councilor Durkson,

[4:27:29] I don't believe so.

[4:27:30] I think that's part of typical for biologists

[4:27:33] to have the finds and penalties associated

[4:27:35] with certain operations.

[4:27:37] Biologists are steadily created for the people

[4:27:39] that don't choose to follow the rules

[4:27:41] and those are the ones that you want to have

[4:27:43] on the extra enforcement abilities for them.

[4:27:46] The majority of people do follow the rules

[4:27:48] and can appreciate the reasons why biologists are in place.

[4:28:00] They can tell, so we're going to continue to remind council,

[4:28:03] but this is first reading.

[4:28:06] And second and third will be coming before the benefit of council.

[4:28:12] I think in a couple of weeks, I could stand and be quite good by that.

[4:28:16] All right, are there any further questions?

[4:28:22] Councillor Grumman.

[4:28:25] It's one of their questions.

[4:28:26] Then in terms of other markets here, are these items within the by-law,

[4:28:33] consistent with what we're seeing in other communities?

[4:28:35] So,

[4:28:38] cows are Johnson, or pardon me too.

[4:28:40] There are Johnson's accounts in Baruma.

[4:28:43] Yes, e-sgooters have been growing a popularity throughout Alberta.

[4:28:48] Since our first season, my son, our area has been reached up by many other municipalities

[4:28:55] on the successes and challenges of our first season.

[4:28:58] So, we are, along with them, in Calgary, setting some of that bar,

[4:29:03] and we are in major very different structure compared to most.

[4:29:06] So that is peak the interest of many different units of palliades.

[4:29:10] So I think we are, you know, setting that bar and people are coming to us.

[4:29:14] We're inviting guidance on the successes and right here.

[4:29:21] Thank you, professor.

[4:29:26] I see your hand, councilmember.

[4:29:28] We are.

[4:29:28] Did you have another question?

[4:29:33] You can answer it.

[4:29:34] It's all good.

[4:29:37] All right.

[4:29:37] Council.

[4:29:38] Let's just say we are.

[4:29:39] First reading.

[4:29:40] And I want to also write.

[4:29:43] Would you be.

[4:29:44] I don't want to be presumptive, but we're giving the host cake of asking for more information

[4:29:50] around items for second and third reading and then, you know, proposing whatever you need,

[4:29:57] or did you want to demand?

[4:30:00] Something on first shooting.

[4:30:02] Something to amend something on first shooting. I am hoping, and the reason is, I want to amend it now, is so that, you know, if it passes, if it doesn't, then that's the will of council, but if it passes, then the amended version goes sort of, when it's a public consultation, but it goes to the public for, to provide input, as opposed to, if I wait until second, then there is no opportunity.

[4:30:28] That's what I didn't want to be presented there for good news.

[4:30:31] I mean, so, um,

[4:30:36] City Park Wadwell today, today, and I'm not going to need a mover

[4:30:39] and second or on the item, or have I yet to do that.

[4:30:43] If you just reference me, I'm working on your new,

[4:30:46] your new form today, so I'm doing my best here.

[4:30:50] So if you do, we're going to be on the mover and second.

[4:30:53] We do not currently have a mover or seconder.

[4:30:57] I'm going to propose you this mover so that if you can speak to the item and I'll take

[4:31:03] Council your dear friends as the second.

[4:31:09] Both Council and I need to have the floor.

[4:31:11] Thank you very much.

[4:31:12] So before any comments, I want to propose.

[4:31:15] I really have two significant lilies and there's like a sub for each one.

[4:31:18] I'm so on page 112 of our agenda.

[4:31:22] Under section 70 for 73.4.

[4:31:26] It says a person less than 18 years old shall not operate in a scooter and I would like to amend that to say a person less than 14 years old shall not operate in a scooter.

[4:31:43] And section 73.5,

[4:31:49] a person less than 18 years old must wear a helmet to operate an e-scooter.

[4:31:56] And to address the safety concerns of,

[4:32:01] so that's the first one.

[4:32:03] And then the second one is nearly reflecting the same concept in the finds schedule,

[4:32:08] which is down the page 141.

[4:32:11] Well, I think we'll take you first and then just we'll play with you.

[4:32:17] So thank you for that.

[4:32:19] We will be able to capture that just city clerk Robo.

[4:32:24] Yes, we were Mayor Johnson.

[4:32:26] Just to ensure that we're all on the same page here.

[4:32:30] Council, this is an amending by-laws.

[4:32:32] So we are actually amending the by-law.

[4:32:33] I found on page 67 of your agenda.

[4:32:36] So we will be amending Section 2 of the amending by-law.

[4:32:40] As Council, I am outlined under Section 2.

[4:32:43] And 73.4 by deleting 18 and replacing it with 14 and by inserting a new clause 73.5,

[4:32:50] a person is the less than 18 years old must wear a helmet while operating an e-scooter.

[4:32:56] And I would just recommend that we turn to administration to ensure that those amendments

[4:32:59] would be enforceable.

[4:33:06] Mayor Johnson, in regards to the piece and the age restrictions,

[4:33:11] I do have significant concerns reducing this on the fly rate.

[4:33:14] Now, and I do believe that Council does require further information prior to begin the

[4:33:19] decision.

[4:33:21] I'm seeing that in regards to the legalities of it, so I would really prefer not to include

[4:33:29] that this evening so that we can provide further information to Council in regards to that

[4:33:33] component.

[4:33:34] And I will turn it back over to Ms. Things that in regards to the component of health

[4:33:41] elements.

[4:33:47] So did you want to weigh in before I speak in further?

[4:33:52] Sure, and regards to the comments on helmets.

[4:33:55] So we would have to align with the conventional regulatory requirements

[4:33:58] for the minimum age of helmets being mandatory.

[4:34:01] We would have to add clarification about the age

[4:34:04] in which mandatory helmets is not required.

[4:34:07] Morely a recommendation.

[4:34:10] So, for example, we would not be able to require

[4:34:13] 18-year-olds require a helmet law operating in east corner.

[4:34:16] So we would need to align with that policy as well,

[4:34:19] but currently prevention regulation as well.

[4:34:23] The answer I can catch that Mr. Mayor,

[4:34:27] the proposal that I'm putting forward is for anyone under 18.

[4:34:31] So to align with the provincial requirement

[4:34:33] for under 18 to where I am when writing a bike.

[4:34:45] It's ready for the comment for me.

[4:34:47] Let's take a look at that.

[4:34:49] This under 18 should be okay. I'm just double-checking if it was 18 or 16 under the provincial regulations.

[4:35:08] It's under 18.

[4:35:24] Your Johnston, if I may, it will see my recommendation that if Council would be able to consider first reading today,

[4:35:32] and pass this subsequent resolution directing administration to conduct further research in the areas of reducing age limits

[4:35:38] and the introduction of how it provisions for younger age categories.

[4:35:44] Then we would be able to ensure that we have time to consult with the necessary staff as well as legal to ensure that we would be able to enforce that in a by law.

[4:35:54] Yes, thank you for that.

[4:35:55] That is where I was going until I've great partners in a bit, really gave us their cautionary comments.

[4:36:04] I couldn't really work that it is.

[4:36:08] Yes, I really think it's amenable to you.

[4:36:11] Councilor Hyme.

[4:36:12] I haven't even asked for a second.

[4:36:14] But if it is amenable to you, these items can be misunderstood.

[4:36:19] So would that be amenable at this point in time?

[4:36:24] If I could just ask the request, then if this decision is going to bring back information,

[4:36:32] if they could bring it back with respect to putting that agent 14 and 16, and that way we have options.

[4:36:51] Thank you.

[4:36:52] We're only anticipating a first meeting and so on, so just sort of procedurally going here,

[4:37:04] these would be comments I assume, not questions, and I can just sort of in that.

[4:37:12] So I'll go to you, Councillor Warchus, go ahead.

[4:37:17] Thank you very much for commenting on the legality that was one of my questions, but I'm

[4:37:24] also wondering if in the research if you can also provide any doubt.

[4:37:30] On, for other municipalities and eScudo programs for the age 14 to 18, I'm just curious on that. I know injuries were recorded in the report, but just curious in terms of that information as well if possible. Thank you, Mayor.

[4:37:45] Thank you, Councillor. Councillor, Councillor, one stable and see you as well.

[4:37:51] I'm just going to sort of add on to

[4:37:56] a content amendments to the pipeline to re-interposing

[4:37:59] more of that projection.

[4:38:00] There's a way in which in this way we can separate the term that operates up

[4:38:10] to the

[4:38:10] middle of that.

[4:38:25] Sir, the counselor administration, this is why we go through the meetings we do.

[4:38:33] First reading typically is that please bring back the second and third.

[4:38:38] And so thank you very much for that.

[4:38:39] Also, I did you wish to add something more for us?

[4:38:45] Yeah, I didn't believe I gave any comments as to my mind.

[4:38:50] Yeah, thank you.

[4:38:52] So for me, thank you to administration.

[4:38:54] I think this is probably the better path to proceed

[4:38:57] upon reflection in terms of gathering a little bit more information

[4:39:02] for the comfort of council and myself included.

[4:39:07] I'm just trying to address this huge, I don't want to call it hypocrisy, but it is a huge, significant problem in our community.

[4:39:16] I mean, any other community, for that matter, frankly,

[4:39:22] when a buy law or a contract between an individual and an instructor company, there's no person under the age of 18 can write.

[4:39:33] And yet also we're locked throughout the entire course of the season, we saw hundreds under 18 writing and yet there's a problem so either we don't put it in our by-law and don't enforce it and just sort of let that hypocrisy carry on.

[4:39:55] If we're putting our vitally better, we don't sure we're prepared to enforce it.

[4:40:00] And I know that I am not at the $16.60 per fine for those writing under 18.

[4:40:07] So I think this is something that we really need to consider in terms of a holistic approach to this.

[4:40:14] When you think of why do we have this program?

[4:40:16] It's for largely, it was 73%, it was for recreational use by, you know, often families who want to bring you to listen and have a family couple of, for two, three teenagers, all of the day I wanted to take the kids out, and now you can't go because, you know, you've got this restriction that's in the by-law that you risk $60 fine.

[4:40:39] So, and I know that, you know, the response wise, well, we're not really not going to find, but I have a problem with that as well.

[4:40:48] So, you know, we're going to put something on the books, then if you're laying the claws to have it on the books, if you're not prepared to enforce it.

[4:40:57] Anyway, you know what I think about clause, to write a clause, you can be 14 with a helmet to fly and airplane solo 16, to write a mom pad 14, to write a motorcycle, along solo 16, and 12 years old to write a powered bike.

[4:41:16] So, I appreciate that administration will bring back that information so that we can

[4:41:22] review and make a sound decision and perhaps be industry leaders in terms of really

[4:41:28] what is common sense for our public to utilize this wonderful recreational opportunity.

[4:41:37] Thank you.

[4:41:37] Thank you, Councillor Anya.

[4:41:39] Further comment before I call the question on first reading.

[4:41:45] Seeing one, I certainly will appreciate the report from administration and thank them for their further research as it comes second and third reading.

[4:41:56] I'm sure we definitely haven't lost sight of what a significant good story this month for community last summer.

[4:42:03] And the influence and the impetus into a game that I'm telling,

[4:42:07] I mean remember a few weeks ago I gave a speech at the Chamber,

[4:42:13] and I happened to be saying at the table,

[4:42:17] one of these people companies,

[4:42:20] and they indicated that the radio is now

[4:42:23] their third largest market in the country, in the country,

[4:42:29] which is a praying.

[4:42:32] It's wonderful when you look at it for sure, when you consider where I'm

[4:42:39] slugging the likes of the other ones of the world and so on, it's pretty

[4:42:45] significant for sure.

[4:42:48] So the space that I remember you coming last summer with a great deal

[4:42:52] of enthusiasm, which you still seem to have today, which is a main

[4:42:57] which is fantastic and reading this program to us and you know I looked at some of the

[4:43:03] demographics I see my age group is only about 8% you know we still have that broken

[4:43:09] ankle syndrome kind of thing but I should get back on as a scooter I wrote one very

[4:43:15] briefly last year and perhaps I'll get back on the issue so Council will call a question

[4:43:21] on first reading is reading what opposed to first reading.

[4:43:25] Thank you, Kouser.

[4:43:27] That carries by maturity.

[4:43:29] So we will have second reading with those additional research

[4:43:32] of items for us when they return in a few weeks.

[4:43:36] Thank you very much for that.

[4:43:38] Kouser, we have one final item that,

[4:43:42] to the length, we will have at this point in time.

[4:43:44] And that is the business horizon

[4:43:50] I will look, I wonder,

[4:43:56] honestly, I'm going to the City Manager, so the City Clerk

[4:43:59] Rod will continue.

[4:44:01] I believe that resolution is on page two of our in-camera agenda.

[4:44:05] I wonder if you can read that into the record and I will call for a mover and seconder.

[4:44:17] Resolve the Council of the City of Reddier, having considered the report from City Planning

[4:44:20] in growth, dated February 14th, 2022, re-Annexation, hereby endorses option 1, and the notice

[4:44:28] of intent to annex as shown in Appendix A. I do just want to flag for our members of the

[4:44:33] Dealing Public and for our media that administration will be releasing an associated report

[4:44:38] to go along with this recommendation to ensure that the clarity as demonstrated by the

[4:44:44] resolution indicating Appendix A will be provided to them shortly.

[4:44:53] I'm assuming the report to the record saying Council has a copy of what we're going to say.

[4:45:00] In a separate report, you are emailing out of council, can you help me with that?

[4:45:06] Mayor Johnston is the same report that council has already received, but by adding it to this open agenda, we will be releasing information publicly.

[4:45:14] Yeah, very good. Thank you for that.

[4:45:16] Did you need you to recess for five minutes while you do that, or are you comfortable with this proceeding at this point in time?

[4:45:23] Mayor Johnston, we are comfortable with you proceeding at this point in time.

[4:45:26] very good. Thank you very much for that. So, Council, on the draw, I have a counselor,

[4:45:34] a Dirkson Dirkson, forgive me, Council. Secondly, by Councilor Anity, on that particular

[4:45:41] matter, and I'm going to our senior manager, Lord Witt, for her comments, and specifically

[4:45:50] with report issues.

[4:45:54] Thank you, Mayor Johnson.

[4:45:55] Good afternoon, Mayor and Council and administration who is here with us.

[4:45:59] We have several members that have joined particularly for this item, as well as

[4:46:06] I know there's members of our public who are watching.

[4:46:10] Our role as administration is to look ahead and be ready for the white

[4:46:15] feature that we have in red deer and our region.

[4:46:18] We know from economic forecasts that growth is forecasted for our region and for the province.

[4:46:26] We believe in creating jobs and economic development is important for our region

[4:46:32] and we need to be making decisions that facilitate that.

[4:46:37] Working to growth in our future, it takes time.

[4:46:43] What you want to see is a recommendation to do an annexation.

[4:46:46] In doing an annexation, the process is legislated and we need to start now ahead of when we expect to see those buildings erected and coming out of the ground.

[4:46:59] Our recommendation today is that we make the public leave our intentions to do an annexation for highway funding commercial to the north-west of our city.

[4:47:11] This is step one in a legislative process.

[4:47:14] So today council, if you support a recommendation, we will be giving notice slowly to start the process.

[4:47:22] This will begin discussions with the county, our public, and the landowners in this area.

[4:47:31] I'm really grateful and wanted to take some time to say thanks for the work of prior councils in preparing the wonderful IDP that we have in place.

[4:47:41] and that's our intermediary civil development plan.

[4:47:44] It's been in place for over 10 years,

[4:47:46] and it showed a growth area

[4:47:49] and had formulas on when we can grow

[4:47:52] and what that process looks like

[4:47:54] in working with our neighbor.

[4:47:56] We are at a point in time where we need to take the steps

[4:48:01] to initiate growth into the city's growth area

[4:48:05] as identified and not planned.

[4:48:07] When you think to our staff

[4:48:09] and our major projects planner, David Jordan, who has worked to do the analysis as well as the

[4:48:16] data to bring us here today. So Mr. Jordan, a major projects planner, has a formal presentation

[4:48:21] that he will provide to council. So over to you, Mr. Jordan.

[4:48:28] Thank you, Chair.

[4:48:29] City Manager. Now if I can get legislative services to bring up the presentation,

[4:48:48] council. I'm

[4:48:48] excited to be here today to bring this opportunity forward to you. As we've been working on

[4:48:54] Examining exploration of annexation for a long time, and so I'm happy to finally bring this here to you today in public.

[4:49:02] If I move to the next slide,

[4:49:06] so a city manager, little indicated, is that we are recommending the council endorse a notice of intent in your package so that we can begin that annexation process.

[4:49:16] Next slide please.

[4:49:21] So in exploring annexation, administration has looked at a variety of different scenarios.

[4:49:26] And so our IDP right now, based on the calculations in there, indicate that we have 18.3 years of available land supply.

[4:49:33] Any time that we're both 30 years of land, we are able to begin an annexation process with the county.

[4:49:39] And we have deferred the pass, but we are now recommending that you proceed forward with that with this proposed annexation.

[4:49:45] We'll see though we also do a variety of other calculations on how much land we have available.

[4:49:50] And so we do regular calculations on how much residential commercial and industrial land is available.

[4:49:54] So you'll see that we don't need just any commercial land right now.

[4:49:58] We have a lot of commercial land around our city.

[4:50:01] What we don't have is that strategic highway-friendly commercial land.

[4:50:05] And so this is an opportunity for us to annex some of those lands with developers who's able

[4:50:11] willing and ready in the wings.

[4:50:15] And so you'll see within our city growth area within the IDP.

[4:50:20] This is one of the last few remaining areas where we can annex more highway-friendly commercial.

[4:50:25] or just highway-frenking land.

[4:50:27] And so within right-dear, our entire boundary within the city

[4:50:31] is built up along that highway-too area.

[4:50:35] And so this is the reasonable reposings small annexation today.

[4:50:39] Next slide, Chase.

[4:50:43] So I'm sure you all saw the recent statistics

[4:50:46] Canada data that was released just a few days ago.

[4:50:49] And so this was great for me to see,

[4:50:50] because it shows that we're still growing at a steady

[4:50:53] but slow rate before, and it also

[4:50:55] of course the recommendation for a small annexation versus a big annexation. It wasn't

[4:50:59] a surprise to us to see that we were growing at that slower rate, but we also want to

[4:51:03] prepare the city manager who had indicated for that future economic development that's coming

[4:51:08] and prepared for those types of development opportunities that might come as a population increase.

[4:51:15] There's population growth increases. Next slide please.

[4:51:22] So the area that we're proposing for annexation

[4:51:25] is this yellow square or this yellow triangle against in the northwest of the city.

[4:51:30] It is adjacent to our already approved, so within the city on the east side of the highway,

[4:51:36] is a habit residential area, which has a gap in a restricted fund previously approved by council,

[4:51:41] and also north of the Queens industrial business park. Next slide please.

[4:51:48] So the question is why this area? There's a few really good pieces that make this area just work for us.

[4:51:57] So with any IDP like I said, it is one of the last areas of the land that we can annex that would be suitable for highway-front and commercial development.

[4:52:09] Two of it also, we have the infrastructure in place so that the truck services for sanitary water are already in place.

[4:52:15] So we make the servicing of this area relatively easy to accommodate rather than having to run new truck services somewhere else.

[4:52:24] Now there's a huge opportunity to benefit not only for the city but for the region as a whole

[4:52:30] I think that a fit from a development in this area at the intersection of two major highways.

[4:52:36] As well as, like I said, we're preparing for that future economic growth that come.

[4:52:39] So I think one of the benefits of right-dearing why we saw our population continue to grow.

[4:52:43] So we are on that Edmonton County corridor, and this is an opportunity to take advantage of our location along that corridor.

[4:52:50] So just for some clarity, the image on the right is not the layout that will still have to come to council.

[4:52:56] at a future date once annexation is approved and finalized is that there is this that would

[4:53:02] stop the developer statutory plan update our major in your structure plans. So this is just

[4:53:06] a hypothetical layout so just so that the public is not confused that this area isn't already

[4:53:12] been decided and developed as a bad still Council's program in the future when that time comes.

[4:53:18] Next slide please.

[4:53:21] So within your Council package which will be available to the public as well

[4:53:25] there is a notice of intent to annex the land, and this is a very structured document based

[4:53:30] on requirements by the land property rights tribunal.

[4:53:34] So with the MDMGA, so within here we have the description of the land, which I've just provided,

[4:53:38] the justification for annexation, which largely relies is around the need for high-referting

[4:53:44] commercial land.

[4:53:45] We also outline our public consultation program, so both for the landowners and for the

[4:53:50] public, throughout the annexation process, it's aligning this document.

[4:53:54] And if you can endorse today's, if you endorse it, we can today, that will then endorse

[4:54:01] what will be included in the Norse Intent, and lastly, a list of the authorities that

[4:54:06] need to be notified of this process, and the annexation principles which are outlined by the

[4:54:11] formal program, which is going to go over to still be used by the land propagatorates tribunal.

[4:54:17] Next slide, please.

[4:54:20] So, we have Council on Dorses and Norse Intent today, the next steps will be for us,

[4:54:24] to begin on that report on negotiation process. So culminates with what we call a report in negotiations,

[4:54:29] then that document is what we give to the land-prepared struggle. It's for them to decide whether

[4:54:34] we need to have hearing or whether they, it's uncontested, they move directly to a recommendation

[4:54:39] to the minister. So in that report report negotiations process, this will be the first in-game

[4:54:43] thread you're counting and begin the negotiations with them to ensure that we are all in the same

[4:54:49] page and that we have a great pond parameters for the annexation and then we will move into

[4:54:56] the public and line the consultation process which will then come in with that report

[4:55:00] as I have been indicated and then we move on to the line proper extra eunuchs processes.

[4:55:05] So we are looking for an effect of annexation date as I described in our IDP of September 1st

[4:55:10] 2023.

[4:55:13] Next slide please. So I'll conclude by just repeating our recommendations from

[4:55:18] administration is to endorse the endorsement entity to allow us to begin the annexation process.

[4:55:24] Thank you very much. I'm Councilman, if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer.

[4:55:28] Thank you Mr. Drone. I'll just wait for the first one to come up here. We are

[4:55:36] questions of council

[4:55:37] from Mr. Drone at this point.

[4:55:46] I'm not seeing any, so our city clerk is ready to be resolution.

[4:55:50] into the report and moved by Councillor Doucher and Secondary by Councillor Lee.

[4:55:57] And I will invite to comments before calling the question.

[4:56:01] Councillor Seenwood, would you proceed with comments?

[4:56:04] Councillor Lillan, please.

[4:56:08] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[4:56:09] So, thank you for the report and the heard work that went into that report for years prior

[4:56:15] to the public is hearing today, so it is, Mr. Mayor, with tremendous excitement and

[4:56:22] participation, that I learned my strong support to this notice of the annexation

[4:56:27] application.

[4:56:29] When I think about the challenging economic and social environment that we have

[4:56:34] lived through, particularly over the last few years of COVID, the prospect of stimulating

[4:56:40] economic growth, job creation, financial security to individuals and families, as well as

[4:56:47] greater entertainment and corporate retail opportunities for our public and beyond.

[4:56:54] To me, this is just a phenomenal, local and regional boom to the redder area.

[4:57:00] In terms of access and visibility from the highway, this location is ideal with the intersection

[4:57:07] of the QEW at Highway 118, and potentially hopefully all of this needs to be worked

[4:57:15] down the road, but hopefully a second more normally at this point as well. So to wrap up, Mr. Mayor

[4:57:22] all said, this is the kind of growth and investment that our nation not only welcomes with open arms,

[4:57:31] but is actively solicits to promote economic rejuvenation in these challenging times for all of us.

[4:57:39] Thank you. I'm excited.

[4:57:42] Thank you.

[4:57:42] So I'm very well-said counselor, Jeffree's.

[4:57:49] You're witted counselor, Jeffree's.

[4:57:56] Customer, Jeffree's here.

[4:57:57] We remain muted.

[4:58:04] Good news.

[4:58:09] To Jeffree's, I'm going to counselor Lee.

[4:58:13] I know I get a low patchy man, don't you worry.

[4:58:18] I'm going to go to counselor Lee in the interim,

[4:58:21] and we will get you patched in counselor.

[4:58:23] We'll come back.

[4:58:24] How's your name?

[4:58:26] Thank you, Mayor Johnson, and I just thought

[4:58:28] I'd feel that awkward gap.

[4:58:31] It's a culture reference try and just like the weirdest of times that happens.

[4:58:37] But certainly this for us is something that I look at very positively and I would emphasize

[4:58:45] that this is a real win for the region and I'm looking forward to the support and

[4:58:53] specifically of Redger County and how this initiative is moving forward.

[4:58:59] This is an area that, you know, we haven't seen a lot of growth in past few decades.

[4:59:07] Our Northwest area of our city's jurisdiction in boundaries certainly will welcome that

[4:59:15] and that ability to create some vibrancy in that area for city, for sure.

[4:59:24] It's a great start to process that is very early.

[4:59:29] I'm highly optimistic at this point,

[4:59:31] but as things have shown us in the past,

[4:59:35] it's never done deal until those buildings and shovels are going in the ground

[4:59:39] and things are moving,

[4:59:40] But I'm really, really conformed to that happening, of course, of the next year and a half or so.

[4:59:51] So thank you for that, Mayor Johnson, and looking to this great regional project.

[5:00:00] Seeing how it grows redder into the future.

[5:00:06] Thank you, Councillor Lee. Councillor Chair for the service table. Disabled.

[5:00:14] Yes, I see you are. I did get your message. Thank you for that. Councillor Durks.

[5:00:21] If you are, I just would like a couple of comments that I motioned asked for the question

[5:00:28] of clear, well-hurtation of exclamation to the public and hopefully this way is a very

[5:00:36] less important of this than exclamation.

[5:00:38] My goal is speed to work, but it needs to be tempered with appropriate processes.

[5:00:47] So, maybe you could comment on the fact that if our COVID-19 colleagues are enthusiastic

[5:00:53] with proceeding with this, and if there is a way to accelerate this process earlier than

[5:01:02] September 1st, 2023.

[5:01:06] Sure, I'll just go to meet a Mr. Joran, or Mr. Joran, or Mr. Joran, Mr. Joran.

[5:01:16] Thank you, Mayor.

[5:01:18] I'm going to pass this over to Mr. Jordan.

[5:01:23] I will start by saying no that the communication lines are open with our county.

[5:01:30] We're working together on many things. We have regular monthly meetings between administration.

[5:01:35] Council has regular meetings between councils.

[5:01:39] And it is so important in that relationship between the city and the county.

[5:01:44] And so moving forward, that will be continuing and we will be working together, this opens the discussion, and there will need to be further conversations and discussions, as well as it allows us to have those consultations with our public and the landowners in the area.

[5:02:04] So, when I say this step one, it really is step one,

[5:02:12] to tell the date of what we hope

[5:02:14] is September of 2023.

[5:02:17] There are opportunities to expedite the process.

[5:02:22] However, at this point in time, we know that that consultation is key.

[5:02:26] And determining where we're at before we would even consider expediting the process.

[5:02:31] Mr. Jordan, anything to add.

[5:02:35] I think you covered it very well, which we said manager, I would say that the administration is always looking to improve and increase the speed on most of what we do, including annexation, the little explorer, all opportunities as it relates to this application.

[5:02:47] I

[5:02:52] think Councillor Gerson needs to wish to continue your comments now.

[5:02:55] That was awesome.

[5:02:57] I thought that was important to be able to public domain.

[5:03:02] Very good.

[5:03:03] Thank you for that.

[5:03:06] I want to take a final try of Councillor Jeffries.

[5:03:10] To see if she's, no, I'm not, no.

[5:03:14] All right.

[5:03:14] Thank you, Councillor Jeffries.

[5:03:16] Councillor Bernstable, go ahead.

[5:03:20] Thank you, Mayor Johnson.

[5:03:21] I actually, Councillor Jeffries put in the chat box,

[5:03:23] which you want to face, but I wanted to read it out for her.

[5:03:27] I'll try and use word for word, so I don't know what else the public can see the chat box

[5:03:30] or not.

[5:03:31] So, she was going to speak in favor, in her words, I think the highlight commercial is needed

[5:03:35] great growth in economic development opportunity, could be a great place to try and transform

[5:03:40] demand.

[5:03:41] Thanks for the IDP and the relationship with the county.

[5:03:44] So, that is what Councilor Jeffries was trying to get out, so I figured I'd speak on her

[5:03:48] behalf.

[5:03:49] And then just on my side of things I'm also in support, I'm really looking forward to it.

[5:03:54] I wanted to take the time to thank our administration for working on this and especially even our path counsel.

[5:04:00] I really appreciate the work that's gone in the past.

[5:04:03] And I'm looking forward to seeing other's progressives.

[5:04:07] And once again, just an exciting time for review and central burden general.

[5:04:10] I'm going to just look forward to the positive before.

[5:04:13] So very much in support.

[5:04:14] Thank you.

[5:04:16] Thank you.

[5:04:17] or any further comments from council

[5:04:24] not seeing any other first thing I believe to say is

[5:04:27] if the public ever wanted to see a collective council get together to move the message

[5:04:33] it was Councillor Brunswickville and Councillor Jeffries doing their best to help each other

[5:04:41] through and so I'm reading it. It's good to see. It's great to see. Thank you so much.

[5:04:46] And, you know, this is really, you know, I'm fond of saying, you know, that it's a great day to be a

[5:04:54] vegetarian and it's a great day, we need to be a central Albert because, because this, this

[5:05:00] annexation is really a central Albert of Alberta annexation, original annexation. I really appreciate the extensive work

[5:05:11] our administration is placed into this. Certainly there are many hands that the goal and

[5:05:17] contribute and lift the project like this. But if you know we, we handed off to our

[5:05:23] full-back Mr. Jordan and he is able to bring that ball across for us and present us with

[5:05:29] a wonderful report that he did to behave and so on behalf of council and all of our public.

[5:05:38] Thank you so much for the efforts that they have brought to this particular project.

[5:05:44] You know, I want to say how much I appreciate the original work that we're doing with

[5:05:51] accounting colleagues on many areas.

[5:05:54] This is one that we were obviously now as say manager, we were talked about the ability

[5:06:00] to formally address the matter and negotiate a matter and so on, but you know we're getting

[5:06:06] tremendous lift on issues like the airport and in issues like our hospital and we can see

[5:06:14] and so forth which our county colleagues are lifting with us and I really really do appreciate

[5:06:21] that and look forward to that. Your counselors have used the words vitality, transformational

[5:06:29] excitement, and self-worth, and all of those are applicable.

[5:06:35] If I'm living in central Alberta today, I'm really looking forward to this project for all of those reasons.

[5:06:44] That's how great this particular initiative will go.

[5:06:49] So we're starting down the road.

[5:06:51] That we hope will conclude in about 17 months or so, 18 months or so,

[5:06:58] in 2023, and we're certainly excited to buy that to say the least.

[5:07:07] So, thank you very, very much, Council for your comments and administration once again.

[5:07:13] So, I'll call the question there.

[5:07:14] Any council is opposed to the resolution, as presented,

[5:07:18] moved by Councilor Gerard, so in the second council, you need very many individuals.

[5:07:25] We're being not opposed Council, that carries unanimously,

[5:07:28] I'm going to say thank you.

[5:07:30] Thank you very, very much for that. Council, that concludes Council Business today.

[5:07:38] And looking forward, a motion to adjourn, I would

[5:07:42] call on Councilor Wienchen, seconded by Councilor Bruma. Is there any Councillors opposed to adjournment? Seeing

[5:07:49] Council we are adjourned and we will see you later in the week for a workshop soon.

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