[0:00] All our meeting to order, if everyone would stand for pledge of allegiance, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[0:23] In this evening's meeting, we will at 7 o'clock adjourn from the regular meeting to go into budget adoption and then come back to where we were in the regular meeting.

[0:36] So with that, we will start

[0:38] with the minutes. I need to prove a little minutes as presented at tonight's meeting. Is there a motion to approve?

[0:49] Motion to approve. I didn't see any changes needed.

[0:51] I'll second that motion.

[0:53] Motion is made in second. All in favor. Signed by the saying aye.

[0:56] Aye.

[0:58] I will sign those afterwards.

[1:01] Police Department. Cheap random.

[1:02] I

[1:08] just want to comment Eric and his crew on the stop sign up for the 14th Alabama

[1:14] beginning of it's actually flowing a lot better and we did it really helped us

[1:18] cool traffic and with the buses and stuff. The other pleasant thing reports

[1:24] changes and my report is at 22 and 24 God's Ram is actually all the equipment came in

[1:29] and it's been up for just a week now so hopefully within the next two weeks. Next I'm

[1:34] seeking permission is an officer Stephanie Massey to the Department of

[1:38] Toxicology for $400 a day in Annapolis for one day on October 7th, 2026, she will

[1:44] need use of the car and when we go for that day the certification again will

[1:49] allow her to run a certified toxicizer at our station. All right so we need a

[1:54] motion to approve sending Stephanie to the class cost of $400 on October the

[2:03] 7th with one car and one meal.

[2:08] I'll make that motion.

[2:09] I'll second.

[2:09] Okay, motion is made in second.

[2:11] All in favor, signify the same eye.

[2:13] Hi.

[2:14] And also if we'd like, if it's okay, if you guys,

[2:16] we could get done in number four for the Munster dash route.

[2:19] I've been working with Mike Steph being shared on this.

[2:22] Okay.

[2:23] They are going to go back to one of the original routes,

[2:25] instead of going around the old town lake,

[2:27] because people with strollers and stuff can't do that.

[2:30] So going back down the over to 10th in Vienna and around, it's approved the route that we

[2:35] used to do years ago.

[2:36] I did ask Mike Steffi for volunteers and he's going to provide that to at least part

[2:41] of not because there's a lot of intersections.

[2:44] So along with board approval, I approved that route for use that then.

[2:48] Okay.

[2:49] So no crossing of mainstream or anything like that?

[2:51] They'll start like they do down at the bottom of the 16th go up and they go up 15th towards

[2:56] the high school.

[2:57] And then everything's basically over to 10 down Alabama to be in in 20th back into the park area.

[3:05] And Sharon did say she reviewed the release language in their application for that registration form and she was fine with it.

[3:13] Okay.

[3:14] All right. So with that and with Rob's approval, I need a motion to approve the monster dash route.

[3:23] I'll make that motion.

[3:24] I'll second that motion right emotions and made second all in favor signif I'm saying aye

[3:29] Hi

[3:30] Okay, thank you, thank you. I do

[3:33] Fire department

[3:38] Electric department Todd

[3:41] He is going to be yeah, that's right. It's a 25th wedding anniversary. It is

[3:46] But the important one doubt to miss

[3:50] Property street department Eric

[3:52] I've

[4:01] got one thing to say to report, as you might have noticed, the PDA sidewalk project

[4:07] is moving on this week.

[4:08] Yeah.

[4:09] Great.

[4:09] We're marring to be the last floor on it, so kind of happy to get that done one of the

[4:15] ways.

[4:16] Yeah, it looks like you've had a few irons in the fire going on.

[4:19] Yeah.

[4:21] So that's all I've got.

[4:23] All right.

[4:24] We're looking great there.

[4:25] Thank you.

[4:27] Okay. Waste water water department, Ben.

[4:30] I do have a couple of things.

[4:39] Just an update. Council ask to wild back about if we were doing,

[4:44] that we're doing is good with our lateral inspections,

[4:47] if I was helpful in the ion ion.

[4:50] Running through some numbers, I created some Excel sheets.

[4:53] Currently we are 20 million gallon less than our tenure average

[4:57] on what we treated this year.

[4:59] And we've also had 45 or no 52 inches of rain.

[5:04] Normally, at this time of year, we've had about 44 to 42, 44 inches.

[5:12] Are you finding areas to repair about 60 percent?

[5:18] What's the reason for that?

[5:20] Quail lines that have collapsed or cracks or roots have been coming into the joints for the seals.

[5:28] That's good news.

[5:29] Great news.

[5:31] Nothing as we did have to purchase a pH probe.

[5:35] Our current one is failed here.

[5:39] Currently using an older model.

[5:44] We're trying to get that all worked out.

[5:45] But where are we going to read?

[5:47] We just need a newer probe.

[5:51] For our testing.

[5:52] which we're required to have by them.

[5:55] Thank you.

[5:56] Yeah.

[5:57] The price came in about $7, $800.

[5:59] Okay.

[6:00] And then just a fish tree update for your halfway

[6:04] in between Carolina and Maryland right now,

[6:07] 140 feet from Maryland currently.

[6:09] We have four service points around,

[6:11] and there were 400 feet completely from the end of the project.

[6:17] Thank you.

[6:19] Good question for you.

[6:21] if we get the grid removal, can you get me some kind of a summary of when you think

[6:26] that work will start so I can let some folks know? Yeah, I'll grab the bench sheet they

[6:34] had a timeline on there. Okay, yeah, get with me and then I'll relay it from there.

[6:38] Their timeline was being online, I don't know, first week. Okay, first week of late.

[6:45] start timeline for it to be operating was first we could do it but I don't

[6:49] remember what work was going to start okay like 30 we'd leave time yeah it was

[6:54] pretty long yeah until I could get to it okay

[6:59] thank you park department Matt could

[7:02] not be here tonight so his report was turned into us I guess we need to get you a

[7:09] copy of it I do have one thing that Matt had text me earlier

[7:13] It's

[7:19] out of the 5th Street playground, the regular slide is off-limits now, it's the

[7:25] place you could crack on it, and we're trying to find something to match up to

[7:31] that because there is no replacement parts for this because it's probably put in

[7:37] back in 2002 somewhere in that area, so we're meeting with some of my next weeks

[7:44] see what we can come up with and you say it's metal or what? It's plastic. Yeah. And is that

[7:51] mystery? Yeah. Okay. So you've got that marketing. I'm sure you do. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for letting

[7:58] everybody know why though. All right. I gave redevelopment commission. They did not meet tonight because there

[8:07] wasn't anything on the agenda to be talked about. And marketing we have our written report also.

[8:15] With that, we'll go into Framing Ferdinum update and road clothing for October 10th.

[8:23] And I think we got that settled at the last meeting.

[8:26] Yeah, this is settled in the route that was afforded by me and she has volunteers to assist

[8:29] at that.

[8:29] I just put extra stuff so the agenda goes really fast.

[8:35] And then we have Ferdinum Tourism Road Closing Request for October 10th and it says Kathy

[8:42] I get to wear a few hats sometimes, I guess I got to go up here.

[8:47] Several

[8:51] months ago, you had approved the closing of that evening of 12th Street, but we learned

[9:00] when we had our event in July, the sun is fierce right there, and people kind of shifted

[9:08] everything to the back so we are asking rather than closing 12th on that day can we

[9:15] close Maryland just in that block and we check with the neighbors and they're

[9:20] all okay with it so people can set up their chairs and things there and then

[9:24] the music can be faced that way and that'll be sort of a conclusion it'll be a

[9:30] October fest at the end of October fest which as you know is chump full all kinds

[9:36] Things of fun things from the ribbon cutting and dedication of the mural, too, and there's

[9:42] going to be vendors there, which was what, the previous one was, two things all over

[9:48] town, all kinds of activities, and then in the evening, tourism is at the hudder, whatever

[9:56] we want to call it, Casibo, going to do as we did in July, and have music, it's going

[10:02] to be Debbie Scheter, and food.

[10:06] You're going to try making Ruben sandwiches

[10:08] and the more ice out they're going.

[10:11] I make it for the more, you know,

[10:14] I don't think we're capable of that kind of manufacture.

[10:17] I don't know about the hamburgers.

[10:18] We'll have pretzels and beer and other beverages.

[10:24] So we just wanted to make sure we can switch

[10:26] from 12th to Maryland.

[10:28] So you'd be looking at just that block there.

[10:32] Yeah, just that block, and it would just be like five o'clock.

[10:35] So you want to legally block at this time instead of?

[10:39] Well, probably.

[10:41] I don't know.

[10:43] I think we only blocked it last time, didn't we?

[10:45] Yeah.

[10:46] I think probably the chairs out there just blocked it.

[10:49] Yeah.

[10:51] That's what you're saying over all.

[10:52] Everybody's shifting to the stage.

[10:54] Yes.

[10:54] And I felt sorry for the performers because they were

[10:57] to sweaty out there in their Frenchie cows.

[11:01] So we had hardly any problems with that.

[11:04] So.

[11:04] No, I talked to Tracy.

[11:05] I didn't think I did say the road closed sides wouldn't

[11:07] be up there till almost 3 o'clock due to the other vent

[11:10] road that day.

[11:11] They said it was fine.

[11:12] Yeah, that's real problem because we didn't think it was

[11:14] enough.

[11:14] And Maryland, kind of less thoroughfare, right?

[11:17] Then was that would be with just the beast

[11:19] who are on there and then the Lincoln.

[11:21] Yeah, so there's not that many homes.

[11:22] This third makes perfect thing.

[11:25] All right, so we need a motion then to approve closing off Maryland Street and not 12th Street on October the 10th.

[11:33] What was the time frame?

[11:35] Think about five, really.

[11:37] I think it's probably a little before five, two, ten, or the latest.

[11:41] I think we'll try trying to get out of the way.

[11:43] 10.

[11:44] Yeah, come to the wrap up of the day.

[11:46] Ron, it'll probably be officially closed from 3 to 11.

[11:49] That way we can get the signs out there early.

[11:52] Eric will have them loaded up for us. The police department will do it.

[11:54] So we'll get the signs about three that once it's done we'll get picked up easily 10 30 to 11 o'clock

[11:59] Stay at that. Okay, all right

[12:01] But the events like from five to 10 ish. I think right Kathy with the music and everything

[12:06] Well, thank you if it didn't stay in my position, but for that it turns in commission move

[12:14] We appreciate that. Yeah, thank you for the mini hat motion then to close Maryland Street on October the 10th from roughly three o'clock to

[12:25] I'll take the motion.

[12:27] All right.

[12:27] Motion is made in second.

[12:28] All in favor.

[12:29] Signify the same.

[12:30] All right.

[12:32] All right.

[12:33] Thank you.

[12:34] Yeah.

[12:34] Looking forward to it, guys.

[12:36] And I had a question for the Water Department.

[12:38] Can I look here?

[12:39] Yeah.

[12:45] Introduce yourself.

[12:46] Yeah.

[12:48] Thanks, Don Farina.

[12:49] It was 7.20, honey.

[12:50] It's 23rd Street.

[12:51] I just have a question for the Water Department there.

[12:54] Okay.

[12:54] Receive a letter in the mail about the lid in the water.

[12:57] Is that just in a one area or is that town one?

[13:03] So do you want to go out there so that they will be younger recording?

[13:07] It's going to be brought up later than we do.

[13:09] Oh, I'm sorry, that's fine.

[13:16] So we had a lead and copper sample come back high.

[13:20] We ended up having two that came over the limit.

[13:24] Which goes over our 90s percentile.

[13:26] We take 10 samples.

[13:27] so that's two out of 10 that came over to let it.

[13:32] These two, one is normally high.

[13:38] It's been coming down in the past three years

[13:42] for parts per billion.

[13:44] The other one has always been low,

[13:47] but has been a vacant home for the past six months.

[13:51] And with that vacant home, it was really,

[13:52] it was an operator error in taking a sample.

[13:55] I took the sample.

[13:58] I thought I wouldn't know it was completely vacant. I wouldn't have taken

[14:01] the sample. The way I did, I would have tried to find another home and take it from because

[14:06] with more sits, that's what we in the industry call hungry water. It's where it starts

[14:11] grounding particles out of your piping.

[14:15] If your home is built between 1983 and 1986, that is

[14:20] the biggest factors item looks at when doing the samples because they have the highest

[14:25] lead concentration as far as lead solder and those right at the end of the lead band.

[14:33] Where we start lead band solder, lead piping was banned and people were trying to get rid of it

[14:38] pushing in the houses.

[14:41] We have done the LC, the lead and copper surveys. We had two homes

[14:49] When we say that they had led, we went, led as a service line to those homes, and we

[14:55] viewed. They did not have LED service lines. They were copper, they have LED solder.

[15:03] So, the letter we had to send out to the item because of the samples.

[15:11] It's not in the distribution system, it's coming through the hot, it's when the water is eating the part of the house. Okay. When it sits for a little. None of our lines have led in them. That's what you're saying. It's like it's private to that home. Okay. It's all I need. Thank you. Good question. It was going to come up later anyway. So you've got to hit it again.

[15:36] All right next community crossing matching grant 2026-02 was awarded to

[15:43] Kinesh construction and update on that air.

[15:53] Okay the update on it is Alabama Street is

[15:59] pretty much finished up with the curb print and the storm sewer placement and we're

[16:08] working on 5th Street now, East 5th. They've got two crews there right now so

[16:15] it's really speeding things up now and I really like to thank Denise for being

[16:25] really good at their work and doing. We got a good relationship going and if they

[16:32] He sees that and it's not working right when he comes me up there right away.

[16:37] We have had to shut down like one block at a time when they're working because they

[16:43] got these big track holes and it's taken up a lot of the road.

[16:47] So to be safer we're just shutting down a block.

[16:51] I mean, E6 is a good bypass for any traffic so it seems to be working out good.

[16:58] So we're near the end so we're ready.

[17:06] That's ready.

[17:07] Yeah.

[17:07] Second.

[17:07] They're just going to do all three together for the pavement.

[17:12] That looks really great.

[17:14] They did a really good job there.

[17:16] Yeah.

[17:17] That's all.

[17:18] Good plan.

[17:19] Thank you, Eric.

[17:20] All right.

[17:21] Then, community crossing matching grant 202701 application.

[17:27] I have it. Eric and I just need to do one final review before we submit it, but the summary is in front of you.

[17:35] And you did sign those letters for the commitment and you approved that at the last meeting.

[17:41] So the summary is in front of you, the roads.

[17:45] Again, hopefully we'll be successful on that.

[17:47] Yeah, I'm matching that we would end up doing is a total would be $132,279.37.

[17:54] sense. If you did the math, I have a broken down. Yeah. So that's on a five hundred and one thousand

[18:01] dollar project. We did we've already done it. Yeah, this is just a breakdown. Yep. Thank you. Okay.

[18:11] Looks good. Good. What a line for me by September 30th. We've gotten that taken care of them, right? Okay.

[18:17] All right. Utilities accounts receivable.

[18:21] You have the summary in front of you since this meeting is falling pretty early.

[18:25] The 15 usually it could be as late as the 21st. It's a little bit higher than normal, but do

[18:32] our best. Turn off a few people sometimes.

[18:39] Cyber security update, nothing new to add there at this time.

[18:46] RDC ready grant.

[18:49] I think we're really new to report this time, I think.

[18:51] Yes, the update we saw is a lot agreement. They're still working on all of that to give to us for our approval down the road

[18:57] Yes, I think the plants being more fun and other things too, so yeah, so wait not all the documents, but they're coming

[19:03] All right trail grant update Debbie. Nothing new on that right now

[19:09] All right property tax reform update

[19:14] Tomorrow there is a must meeting requirement by the state

[19:18] for the city's towns and minis and county to get together to talk about the

[19:26] reduction in property taxes and how to recoup that money in some way so we'll

[19:32] be having a meeting tomorrow night at the Jasper City Hall. I think it's at 4.30

[19:37] and 4.30 down in their five and a while around. Most is actually the name of

[19:43] I think it's not saying that must go into the U.S.

[19:47] It's preprochewary.

[19:49] All right.

[19:52] Health insurance committee update, Debbie.

[19:55] I think we pretty much covered that at the September 8 meeting.

[19:58] I believe at this time Tammy is met with all the departments,

[20:00] say, have all chosen their programs

[20:02] and were in the process of finalizing all the details.

[20:06] Okay.

[20:06] A couple of these things got hit at the September 8 special meeting.

[20:09] So that's why they just, this agenda was done.

[20:12] I just didn't go back and take it on.

[20:13] All right. Fall clean up. October 13th, 15th. Aaron,

[20:24] it wasn't for the camera. We put a microphone on it.

[20:30] Like you said, the dates are 13th, 14th, 15th, it's necessary. The 13th will be on the west side, 14th east side.

[20:39] and we do have one change this year. We will not be taking FTVs. They're just too

[20:46] costly to get rid of and that's about the only change this year. I think it's

[20:54] actually still take those out to the Du Bois County dump sites, right?

[20:57] in the Jasper's site.

[21:00] Jasper's site.

[21:01] Okay.

[21:02] Okay.

[21:03] Followed waste.

[21:05] They have auctioned.

[21:06] There's there are six stickers.

[21:08] Yeah.

[21:09] Okay.

[21:10] You're going to listen to quality or whatever.

[21:13] Six.

[21:13] Yeah.

[21:15] These are now.

[21:18] Okay.

[21:19] It doesn't want to invite a whole house out there.

[21:23] So it's six stickers and you're probably best to put them on.

[21:27] late that morning. Or on something nobody will want to take off of your driveway.

[21:33] That's all I know. All right, thank you. Thank you.

[21:36] Probably these would mind people by not put them up to work. Well, the thing is that it's

[21:39] tragic. Yeah. They'll see tragic. Yeah. And I think that the website has all the

[21:46] list of everything we take to our town website. It does. Yeah. I think we did go

[22:00] So the popular software ever since I came was called Keystone and over the past three

[22:06] or four years Keystone was sold and then it was merged into a bigger company called BSNA.

[22:12] It's a lot different than we're used to and it's a lot more expensive.

[22:17] So Keystone isn't going away in the next two, one or two years, but it is going to be eliminated.

[22:25] So instead of waiting till they kick us off, some of their clerks and I did some interviews

[22:34] with fry software Edmonds and BSNA and the summaries in front of you.

[22:40] But the cost of BSNA for the first year would have been almost $90,000 Edmonds was $96,000

[22:46] dollars and Fry is $31,000 per year for the first implementation year. Then after that the SNA was

[22:53] $46,000 a year, Edmunds was $50,000 a year, and Fry is less than $20,000 a year. Currently we pay

[23:01] about $16,000 a year with Keystone. It's a very similar product. Fry is still family-owned. I think it's

[23:11] good fit for us everybody here in the office was part of this decision and I guess I would like

[23:17] your blessing so that we can get on their schedule because right now they're starting implementations

[23:22] when you're out because a lot of people are jumping from Keystone because BSNA I mean for a small town

[23:29] $90,000 for one year for software isn't doable so and I'm hopeful some other local clerks that sat

[23:42] that in on the same meetings, we'll do the same thing

[23:45] because then we'll have support with each other.

[23:48] I know, Kim, there's need to talk to Matt.

[23:51] So they did give us a discount of $3,500

[23:54] because we did a joint teaching over three different days

[23:58] to go through the different modules.

[24:02] I mean, it's gonna be a difficult conversion,

[24:05] no matter who we go with.

[24:06] If we stayed with the SNA, they'd still have to merge you

[24:09] onto there.

[24:09] So there's going to be a conversion one way or the other. It's just how much do you want to pay for it?

[24:15] And can they do what we need it to do?

[24:17] Yeah, so.

[24:19] There's some significant cost.

[24:21] Yeah, there's.

[24:22] I don't know who you go with.

[24:24] And it was going to be a learning curve regardless of who you go with.

[24:27] Because no merger ever, ever, ever happens smoothly.

[24:30] So, you know, thanks for that.

[24:32] I mean, I have had two, I've had two different conversions and while they tell you it's all going

[24:38] to go over real smooth. There's always still manual labor involved in it. I can question

[24:44] on that. Kathy, you said Dale is going to, could maybe Dale and Ferdinand get together

[24:51] and maybe see if we can get a discount? We already did. Oh, you already did. That's the 3500.

[24:56] Okay. All right. I mean, it's 3500. That's good. I mean, when you look at the annual

[25:03] Okay, it's less than doing the same because everyone was with the keystone and the auditors

[25:09] really like the state board accounts really liked keystones, the reports and fry seems

[25:16] to be very willing to say what do you want your report to look like and the more of us

[25:21] that go there will help hopefully shame but there will be a period of time where we're still

[25:27] playing for keystone but we're going to start the implementation so we did try to build

[25:32] that end of the budget is the best we could so it's going to have to happen.

[25:39] So with that in mind, based on your investigation, you and the staff here, we need a motion then

[25:48] to allow Tammy to go ahead and sign up with Fry at a cost of roughly $31,908.42 on the

[25:58] first year and then going down to 18,712 dollars and 72 cents the second year as we make

[26:07] the conversion away from key stumbling.

[26:10] And they even went with the price increase being 2% for the next five years.

[26:14] So that's at least a little bit more.

[26:18] It's locked in for two cents.

[26:20] Very good.

[26:21] All right.

[26:23] So I need a motion to approve, Tammy going with a fry.

[26:27] I'll make that motion I will second that motion motions and made and second all in favor say if I'm a saying aye

[26:45] We did that on the 8th I just didn't get this you know basically not going to renew them because of the cost and I did talk to tourism and

[26:54] Tourism agree with that so as did emergence

[26:59] Water department lead education

[27:04] I think you just did it, didn't you?

[27:07] I wanted to do some more stuff.

[27:09] All right, we can come back to it.

[27:11] Next one will probably take us up to 7 o'clock.

[27:14] Trick or treat hours for Saturday, October the 31st.

[27:19] Last year, it was from 5 until 7.30 p.m., but that was a weekday.

[27:26] So we have to establish hours this year.

[27:29] Halloween is on a Saturday.

[27:35] I still like 5 to 7 30. That's enough time. I'm open to it. It's

[27:40] to stay lighted 5 yet when the kids start out. That's kind of no fun for the kids, but it's

[27:44] safer so it's like a way. It will be out of candy by 6 30. I'm turning the light off after you have

[27:52] 100 kids come through. That's fine. Close to 200 kids. Even if you're living in the country. I eat all the

[28:00] Thank you.

[28:02] That's our fun.

[28:03] All right.

[28:03] So we need a motion to approve trick or treating hours or October the 31st from 5 p.m.

[28:09] to 7 p.m.

[28:10] That night only.

[28:11] I'll make that move.

[28:12] I'll take it.

[28:13] All second.

[28:14] Motion is made second.

[28:15] All in favor.

[28:15] Second.

[28:16] I'm saying aye.

[28:17] I think you need to go something in the paper to tell the little kids that we're something

[28:20] on the on.

[28:23] Some of the kids have some nice outfits but they're not.

[28:25] They do.

[28:31] I don't think there's many of you guys doing your stuff.

[28:34] I don't think there's many of you guys doing your stuff.

[28:39] Number 19 yet because we still got a couple of minutes.

[28:41] Folk Fest Saturday, this Saturday September to the 19th.

[28:46] The donation is that for the 10th, Tammy?

[28:48] Yes, and I had the email is $584.50.

[28:52] It's one half of the 10th rental.

[28:55] five, 84, 50?

[28:57] Yes.

[29:01] Last year we split the cost with them because previously,

[29:05] our people put the tent up and basically got down to it.

[29:09] It wasn't going to pass permit time with the state fire marshal.

[29:15] Because of the condition of the tent, right?

[29:16] Not because of anything they did wrong.

[29:18] Because of the condition of the tent and the anchoring and everything.

[29:21] and then this another company comes in they literally install it and they come

[29:26] back the day after take it down and everything so we're saving more than

[29:31] five hundred and eighty four dollars in labor so we you know the deal was

[29:37] last year was to split it with the folk festival and then this year the same

[29:43] so is there emotion to approve splitting the cost of the tent with the folk

[29:47] and our cost of $584.50.

[29:52] Because it's a town sponsored and townwide event

[29:55] and that all people who do the work on our volunteers,

[29:57] I absolutely think this is the least.

[30:00] We can do so. I will make that motion. Okay. Motion's been made and seconded. All in favor, signify, I'm saying aye. Aye. Aye. With that, it's seven o'clock.

[30:12] So we have to, I need the motion then to open the budget adoption. So let me go ahead, wrong. Got no second motion and second. All in favor, signify, I'm saying aye. Aye. Okay. With that, Tammy. Okay. So at the last meeting, we went through the notice.

[30:31] to the tax payers which was Form 3. It's the second form you have. We went through that in detail

[30:36] and I can do that again but pretty much we get tax money from property taxes and it's allocated

[30:43] between the general fund, NVH, Park and CUMECAP fund which is just for fire. So if you look at the

[30:51] tax levy, that's where it gets divided, and that is the total of $1,142,865. And compared

[31:03] to last year of $1,083,405, that's about a 6% increase, and that's something the Department

[31:10] of Local Government Finance gives us, and we always try to get the maximum levy that we can.

[31:14] The other amounts listed there are other funds that we spend other monies on but it's

[31:21] not tax money that gets allocated.

[31:23] So that first column is all those other funds.

[31:27] The ordinance that is in front of you shows, let me just go from my notes.

[31:34] The form for on page two, the advertised budget is $3,446,910 and that is without the home

[31:43] Some ruled funds, things like possible grants, donations, economic development and loan

[31:50] fund.

[31:50] Actually, that was zero this year.

[31:51] Opioid money and possible community crossing grants.

[31:56] And compared to last year, that was $2,803,090.

[32:00] This year was a little bit higher.

[32:02] Part of it is due to the budgeting of buying that fire rescue truck.

[32:08] That's an adopted tax rate of 0.6792 compared to last year of 0.6480 and last year's actual rate was 0.5544.

[32:20] That's on an assessed value of 166,106 dollars and 477 compared to last year it is a little bit higher this year than I take.

[32:31] I think it's a little bit higher than 164,888,000 and $44.

[32:39] Last year's maximum levy was $1,882,988 and that's about a 6% increase to get to this

[32:47] year of $1,142,865.

[32:53] This budget form three was advertised on budgetnotices.ion.gov, at least 10 days before the meeting

[33:02] in August on the 18th and then this meeting was also advertised and we gave it an ordinance

[33:08] number at the last meeting of number 15 and that's what I'm asking you to approve.

[33:20] So

[33:24] with that, we have in front of us ordnance number 2026-15, it's basically stating what

[33:33] our budget will be for the year on, I guess, state approval, we have, right?

[33:43] So with that, I need a motion to approve ordnance number 2026-15 on the night that it was

[33:52] is presented here.

[33:56] Tell me.

[33:57] I'll second that motion.

[33:59] The motion is made in second.

[34:01] All in favor signify by saying aye.

[34:03] Aye.

[34:04] And this is a little different.

[34:06] We have to mark our vote in our signature on each one.

[35:11] There's one of them in their back.

[35:12] Sure.

[35:12] You can have my opinion.

[35:14] All right.

[35:14] Now they need a motion to close budget adoption.

[35:19] Oh, second.

[35:19] The motion is made in second.

[35:21] All in favor signify by saying aye.

[35:23] Aye.

[35:23] We

[35:30] have number 20 is next ordinance concerning tampering with water meters. We're going to delay that to the next meeting as there's a couple of changes that I saw in there that I'd like to make before we presented for final approval.

[35:50] Okay, yes, that's

[36:00] one of our item requirements we're supposed to have a public meeting about

[36:07] what should be done to check your office with the lending office exceedants that we found.

[36:13] And these are steps you can take your own if you're worried about the bed exceedants.

[36:21] Fush your faucets if your water is set more than six hours unused in your home, run your cold water cap for at least one to two minutes, or until the water is mostly cooler for using it.

[36:41] only use cold water for that for cooking, drinking, and the baby formula. Hot water will actually dissolve lead and you're plumbing faster in cold water.

[36:55] Boiling water does not help with this issue, either it will actually make the lead more dilute in your water, just because you're going to be going off the water and not off the lead.

[37:07] and it's a metal that will stay in there.

[37:11] Clean your air raiders.

[37:13] So let's prove them.

[37:15] Clean the small mesh greens.

[37:17] Are your faucets regularly debris and tiny particles

[37:19] of lead, solder can be trapped in those.

[37:24] And you can also consider if you're preignant individuals

[37:27] or have young children in your home,

[37:30] an NSF, AMSI standard 53 specifically

[37:34] led removal filter and then just one other thing led is led in solder and brass

[37:44] fixtures and homes built before 1986 have the highest potential and then the

[37:49] homes from 1983 to 1986 have the highest potential of those homes to have

[37:54] led and water and that's because in 1982 the government decided that led was

[38:04] band and in 1986 it was going to be officially banned and everybody was starting to use

[38:10] trying to get rid of the lead before that date got to that all.

[38:22] Are there any questions?

[38:24] Does a reverse osmosis system that you reckon in that as well?

[38:29] No, that isn't...

[38:34] That is one of the purest filter forms you mean it.

[38:37] Yeah, so we were told.

[38:45] I called in the other day and we have an article or a thing on page two about this to do it again.

[38:53] Thank you. Thank you, Pam. Thank you, Professor.

[38:56] Thank you. Okay.

[38:58] Colleagues themselves reverse osmosis systems. Anybody, you know, because it does remove all of that very drinking water.

[39:06] I

[39:15] see that we have a number of people here tonight, if you were here to talk about 835 Main Street,

[39:23] please be aware that at this current time, myself, the President of the Board of Zoning Appeals,

[39:29] and the President of the Blank Commission have met and are going through all of the paperwork,

[39:37] going back over three years.

[39:39] We're looking into reviewing minutes, looking at records, listening, and watching zoom

[39:47] and audio transmittals, live rebroadcast.

[39:52] We've looked at USPS records and building code requirements among other things.

[39:57] We're in the process right now individually going through all of that paperwork and matter.

[40:03] We will then get back together again to discuss and at that period of time we will establish

[40:11] our findings and come out at a private or public meeting and talk about what we have found.

[40:19] So to bring about it and talk about it tonight I think would not be worth the time because

[40:24] there's only one of me here and trust me we have a lot of paperwork and a lot of things

[40:31] the look at right now. Okay, can I ask one question? Yeah. Okay. Introduce yourself, please.

[40:39] I would.

[40:42] I guess you can go me the elephant room, literally and figuratively. I'm 10 at her to 30

[40:48] Maryland. And I opened up a meeting last time here with a prayer, but I just want to make one statement.

[40:58] That's what we've all been taught is the love that I made. Row neighbors in this room.

[41:06] So that's what I

[41:08] what we're trying to, you know, work together for your neighbors.

[41:16] We're not trying to cause any stress on that.

[41:20] But with what's out there, questions need to be asked.

[41:25] And I guess, again, I'm not going to inundate you with questions.

[41:29] But if you're going through a review right now,

[41:34] is the work continuing at 8.35 during this review?

[41:38] yes it is. Can I ask why? Because there is a five variepses that were put out by the

[41:48] BZA that needed to be met before it started.

[41:55] According to my legal consultant, work can

[41:59] continue. It has to do with what's what's ready when it's ready to be sold or to be rounded

[42:06] out. Can you point to that sentence in the minutes? We would like that. No, it's not in the minutes

[42:14] because it's been part of the meetings that I've been having. Then therefore it should be in the

[42:18] minutes if these are in the meetings you've been having. I don't think you know, you're done, you're not

[42:23] done with your filing. We're not done with the findings, are we? Then shouldn't, again, what happens

[42:28] that the findings come back that, well, again, these five variances should be followed.

[42:35] Their continuing construction, if these five variances, which the BZA approved, and state

[42:44] that they needed to happen before the construction doesn't say that.

[42:48] But it doesn't say it can continue.

[42:51] That's where you know with your legal consultants, sir.

[42:54] Well, again, we don't have, or you don't have confidence in it.

[42:59] Sir, correct me.

[43:00] Sir.

[43:01] If I'm wrong.

[43:02] If I have an on tape, would you set that?

[43:05] That's fine.

[43:06] That's fine.

[43:07] I also have things on tape.

[43:10] What you said, sir.

[43:12] Oh, you take me without me knowing about it?

[43:14] Yes, in the end.

[43:15] Against the law.

[43:16] No, it is not.

[43:17] Indiana is a one-party state, sir.

[43:19] Only one party needs to be agreed to that.

[43:25] I think at this point, they 35 may continue to work, they discount rent and tell us until it's ready to be occupied.

[43:32] I will make one more statement.

[43:35] It's a shame that the citizens of this town may need to require to get an attorney to sue the town to do their job.

[43:45] Thank you.

[43:46] Yeah, and I want to say two name name say today. That's important. I've never caused a stink on anything in my entire life

[43:56] I promise that's not my intent here. I

[43:59] Just got knowledge of this like three weeks ago about the full thing

[44:06] There were four out of the six properties who were supposed to receive

[44:10] Notification

[44:12] Tim did you receive notification for either property that you want?

[44:18] 4 out of 6 people did not receive. We would have been at those hearings in 2023. I am very concerned about the parking, very concerned.

[44:28] I don't know how this has gotten so far. And then when I hear about the VGA conditions and I see it, I just don't want to be someone who's going,

[44:41] We probably wouldn't have built a garage on our house when we did, had we known this was

[44:47] going to be across the street.

[44:50] Now I'm like, oh my gosh, I mean, I don't know what to expect out of that building because

[44:54] the best case scenario, there are five people living there with five cars.

[45:01] There could be five, there could be five people in each apartment, which is 25 people with 25 cars.

[45:10] There are not, and everybody can, but this is worse than you have to look at that. And there's only four parking spaces that make sense on the site.

[45:20] I don't appreciate that.

[45:22] Honestly, Ken stated they are doing their work on it because of the demands and the way

[45:28] that they've been made.

[45:29] We're trying to make sure that we've got every eye across every team before we respond

[45:33] in a way that we're looking out for the citizens that we are and the neighbors.

[45:37] We've always looked out for the citizens.

[45:39] I don't feel like you're looking out for me.

[45:41] I don't.

[45:41] When you've got to give us time, Betsy, we're still doing the research on that.

[45:45] to work whenever we don't even know if that are they working by working?

[45:51] Yes.

[45:52] It's our business.

[45:53] It's bad news to allow them to work on something when we don't even know whether

[45:58] they should be.

[45:59] Because what if we find out that those five conditions actually did need to be addressed?

[46:06] And then when they're done with the project, oh, well, okay, now it's too late.

[46:12] And now if we if we're pushed and I'm just speaking my mind I mean that would have a town council meeting that's right, but we also need to hear what we're saying and I do hear it. Okay, but I also don't think it's why is when when you're reviewing and going through an audit for the work to continue because you get further into if something has to be done from a legal perspective.

[46:36] if there are so much further into the project,

[46:40] it's gonna cost a lot more if they have to be shut down.

[46:45] So that's where I'm getting with this.

[46:47] And I know you all are like confused on,

[46:49] oh, there will be shut down.

[46:51] But if they didn't follow and they should have,

[46:54] that's where in my mind this ends.

[46:57] And I am a concern citizen, I'm a neighbor.

[46:59] And if this happened across the street

[47:02] and you were not made aware of it, you would say this,

[47:05] and I know you're sitting here, you're looking up,

[47:07] yeah, you've got a sign completion of mailing

[47:10] and four of us didn't receive it, four property owners.

[47:15] So, and I know you're, so that doesn't matter.

[47:18] I know, I know you don't remember kidding,

[47:20] if that's fine.

[47:21] I mean, let's just, again, we're gonna discuss this

[47:25] whenever everything gets put together

[47:27] and then we'll have it this time.

[47:29] But again, stop hearing you.

[47:31] The stuff work probably needs to happen

[47:34] but until it's determined, right?

[47:38] And I know, I don't know why everybody's looking at me

[47:41] like I'm crazy to say that.

[47:43] I don't know.

[47:44] Can I just say one thing and you're done.

[47:46] I have one.

[47:50] This is the last comment.

[47:52] Well, Christie Holdenman and we have the neighboring business.

[47:56] And you're saying that them working

[47:57] does not have an effect on anyone.

[47:59] They're blocking our drive, they're on our property.

[48:02] We have customers coming to our building

[48:03] to pick up and they're on Main Street going I can't turn in so because they don't have

[48:08] that driveway they're supposed to have for one for their use and they put that big dumpster

[48:13] there so they can't use their area anyway so it is affecting us now but we're not even

[48:17] sure it's legally going to be able to go through and we're already being affected and I just

[48:22] want everyone to know I can tell how responsible Pops going to be if in the construction it's

[48:28] affecting my business I just I'm just really concerned about it and I think that if they get

[48:33] further and then they don't meet those five criteria like we're talking about

[48:38] are they going to sue us the town because we let them go on and it's been

[48:42] million and now they can't have their apartments no I mean it's a you can laugh or

[48:47] chuckle but think about it think about it they're not gonna be very happy yeah

[48:52] they're not gonna be very happy if they can't rent those five apartments out and

[48:57] And they have to, they do have to meet those criteria, correct?

[49:02] Okay.

[49:04] Can I, sir?

[49:05] You're done, sir.

[49:06] Ken, can I say something?

[49:08] No, no.

[49:08] I said she was the last guy, man.

[49:10] Well, I have something that may cost the town tens of thousands of dollars now.

[49:16] What?

[49:17] May I approach the microphone?

[49:22] Please, please.

[49:23] Just let us do that.

[49:24] At least get on.

[49:25] Call us out here.

[49:28] May I approach?

[49:31] I need to be on the agenda.

[49:37] That's because we weren't prepared to discuss it until all the findings.

[49:41] But this only is for Mr. Sieger.

[49:45] Indiana is a one-party consent state.

[49:49] If you were in the conversation courted, it is not a crime.

[49:53] Indiana Code 35-31.5-2.176. Intercepting means recording of a communication by a person

[50:03] other than a sender or receiver without the send of the sender or receiver.

[50:09] If you are one of the people talking, you are a sender or receiver. The statute does not treat that as an interception.

[50:16] In the end of code, 35-33-5-5-5 is a level five felony to knowingly intercept communications

[50:26] and violations of that article, which you just accused me of, sir.

[50:31] You said in a public recording meeting, I committed a crime.

[50:41] No, thank you.

[50:42] My retirement set now, sir.

[50:47] I think we should leave.

[50:49] We know what our next step is.

[50:55] I just want to say it's going to take

[50:57] fast. It'll be fast.

[51:08] I just want to address the issue that

[51:11] can be made on a B-Zero board.

[51:14] If they're doing their own investigation,

[51:17] I think that that's a good goal.

[51:20] If they're going back three years and

[51:22] checking on everything that was said and

[51:25] done, maybe something was missed.

[51:29] and if they're going all out to tickle that out, let them do their investigation, okay?

[51:35] And the end is also right to work state.

[51:38] The only way you can stop somebody from working is going to legal matters, okay?

[51:44] But you can't just shut somebody down.

[51:47] I've done my investigation of that also, okay?

[51:51] All right.

[51:53] Thank you.

[51:57] Can I say a one-back?

[52:03] Probably only a property.

[52:05] What is it?

[52:10] When I'm sitting there all the way and we all post office and the building that the machine

[52:19] shop is in.

[52:21] So all the parking between those two is ours, and it is legally leads to the Postal Service

[52:28] and legally leads to the Sheen Shop.

[52:31] We have sent a legal letter from our attorney to pop and told him that if they park in

[52:37] our parking lot, they will be towed.

[52:40] There's multiple reasons, one, the Postal Service, I think three years ago, when we were going

[52:49] We were working with LA from Denver, now we're working with LA from Washington, D.C.

[52:56] They had expressed some interest in maybe adding on, maybe closing some other small post offices in the area,

[53:05] and approached us about that project, and I said we would do that.

[53:09] But then at the end, they said, we're going to table that.

[53:11] So, it may be another two years to read, I guess, entertain that.

[53:19] So, if that would happen, I would lose some more parking.

[53:24] It would probably be right on, I would assume,

[53:27] I mean, we'd have the engineer do it, but probably being more main street focused.

[53:34] And then, as the machine shop keeps growing,

[53:37] And what I think he's getting bigger, they have also asked in the past about add-on, I've kind of pushed that to the side because

[53:46] this was age of time, without they've sold it.

[53:50] We have somebody young and pretty ambitious in their hope.

[53:55] And that could still come up.

[53:57] So I'm going to eat up some more space.

[53:59] So I'm kind of worried that if both buildings add on, I'm sure you can have that lot.

[54:06] And if I start having other people parked in there,

[54:10] it's going to be a major issue on parking.

[54:14] Because as far as putting it, it's dropped out in the hitspeed.

[54:17] And it takes up space.

[54:20] And I guess it's a real concern for me,

[54:23] because I don't want to have to buy another property

[54:24] just in the park.

[54:29] So that's why the English concerns.

[54:35] To a lot of attorney, we don't want to be a good neighbor,

[54:37] but I can't have broken the law fair enough so it comes from a fall and there's no work put it then

[54:45] You know, it's gonna end up probably somewhere where nobody wants it and then I'll be getting calls because

[54:50] Somebody's getting told you somewhere else

[54:52] All right

[55:10] Okay, are there any special claims?

[55:14] I need motion to pay regular claims.

[55:19] I'll take it.

[55:20] Motion has been made in second.

[55:21] All in favor.

[55:22] Signify the same.

[55:23] I understand.

[55:25] Under announcements, the Development Commission will be Tuesday.

[55:29] October the 20th at 5 o'clock p.m.

[55:32] The next meeting will be October 20th at 6.30 p.m., Board of Zoning Appeals meeting is canceled for September 23rd.

[55:43] Plan commission will meet at 7 o'clock p.m. on September 23rd.

[55:48] Park Board meets October 14th at 4.30 p.m., and Economic Development Commission meets Monday, October 26th at 6 o'clock p.m.

[55:59] With that, I need a motion to adjourn our meeting.

[56:03] I'll make that motion.

[56:04] I will second the motion and may second it.

[56:06] All the favor, single promises.

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