[0:02] You're going to call meeting to order at 5.33 p.m., present, then false, glory, agenda. David Utiger, citizen Utiger,

[0:19] Howdy Hughes and Michael Hughes. Any relation between you two? A little bit, okay.

[0:30] Fifty-second anniversary. Wow. Wow. We're going to put that in public comment.

[0:35] Make a note of that, huh? First, Laurie, can we review and approve the meeting?

[0:44] I would like to review an approved minister 9-2.

[0:49] No second that.

[0:51] Are those in favor?

[0:52] Five.

[0:56] Okay, then we...

[0:57] Any

[1:03] request from you?

[1:04] Nope.

[1:06] Any public comment?

[1:13] Public comment.

[1:14] None.

[1:15] Seeing none.

[1:17] Okay.

[1:18] Continuing business.

[1:21] Main street and town of Peru.

[1:23] traffic calming discussion.

[1:52] Doing the left turn of the green and slicing off a part of the green and the whole

[1:56] thing with a little bar needs to dry my stuff. I'm not like totally on a percent of

[2:00] positive but it's just such a it's just such a miniscule min-minimal solution to

[2:08] the problem. It's maybe you'll take care of 200 feet in the village. I think that

[2:13] the counties that he's got back here and do a study that goes from root to

[2:18] liver to the fire station. I see how they can call the driver on that

[2:22] scratch road because that's the scratch road that everyone's really concerned about.

[2:26] It doesn't help the hues of me or anyone living on up in Monroe to make do that

[2:32] left turn in the village. But I don't want to sound like I'm here just from my

[2:36] I don't solve this interest because I think I don't know what I'm going to do.

[2:42] Like I said, all the way from rural letters to the forest station,

[2:49] all the way from past potters.

[2:52] I'm here speaking for potter.

[2:53] Even a river.

[2:55] Back in the sand.

[2:58] I want to be with what you're saying,

[2:59] without even having heard from you before.

[3:03] I mean, look at my son, I don't know.

[3:05] And Patty will talk about it quickly.

[3:07] You know, even if the speed signs were changed, say, at the fire, my suggest just look

[3:17] as night time.

[3:18] Well, maybe, you know, people see the sign that says 40 gone with 30 at David's.

[3:23] Maybe they should start 30 at, you know, just if people see it, will they do it?

[3:30] Yeah, perhaps.

[3:31] But it at least says, OK, it's not 40 anymore.

[3:38] It's grown up in Vermont.

[3:39] And I got nervous lessons.

[3:41] It was kind of a no-thing to grip.

[3:44] All dirt roads are 35.

[3:46] And this 40 thing is crept up.

[3:48] I know they're not dirt anymore.

[3:51] But they're the same roads that work, right?

[3:55] And the same people are still walking back then

[3:58] as they are now.

[4:00] So yeah, I agree with David.

[4:01] I mean, it really should start more than the 200 feet in town, because, you know, you

[4:12] see.

[4:13] Yeah.

[4:16] I mean, we're not qualified to, you know, we can make suggestions until we turn you

[4:22] over.

[4:23] These guys are the experts.

[4:25] They can love maybe narrow the road, maybe put some, we can talk on and on about some

[4:31] certain kind of violence and just something. Let's see what they actually said. I mean, maybe they're really

[4:37] just, I mean, you're not going to change your nature to people, certain people are going to drive,

[4:42] like they drive that out, or they're not going to be able to stop it. At least if you can get a percentage of the people to slow down.

[4:51] Yeah, I'm not sure where the speed bumps went and why they're not being used because I felt like they really made a difference.

[5:04] I don't know why we never put them up this year. I think there was some discussion that

[5:07] they've been flattened, but they still exist in some way, shape or form.

[5:13] I don't know why we didn't put the flat ones out because even the flat ones are more

[5:32] I don't know that anyone ever complained about them. I know it was said at some point in time that they

[5:38] were flatter than they started their life, but I feel like they still had some help.

[5:44] a way I was taking down the winter to plow, but yeah, so I think guys what what we said before

[5:52] and I want to reiterate again like we've had some concerned people come in. This is not something

[5:57] that I think the select board is going to do by ourselves. We want to see a group of citizens get

[6:07] together brainstorm you know call it a committee right a committee of citizens come together with some

[6:14] sort of consensus recommendation, the select board can approve the expenditure to engage

[6:21] that engineering firm again. And I feel like we had a really nice big meeting with lots

[6:25] of people over here, where we do feel like we have some experts on our side who have put

[6:31] some time into the initial preliminary analysis. As a select board, I think I can speak for

[6:38] to say that we're happy to devote some funds toward that.

[6:43] And we'd love to see that directive sort of spearheaded

[6:47] by the three of you and Heather and Heather and kind

[6:54] of some directive in terms of let's talk to the people.

[6:58] And I appreciate your holistic approach, right?

[7:00] Because I think that's where it's like we see this as a,

[7:10] I see this as a, I've heard lots of people come in here and talk about their issues.

[7:15] And David, it's okay to be selfish and want your issue solved.

[7:19] No one's going to come in.

[7:21] That's just human nature, right?

[7:22] You want your issue solved.

[7:23] You want your issue solved.

[7:24] Heather wants her issue solved.

[7:26] You know, the boo bars want their issue solved.

[7:28] We've heard from all these people, like let's get some of those people together.

[7:31] Let's pay the outfit to do a holistic sort of, here are these suggestions.

[7:38] you know, and then we can look into how much does that cost?

[7:42] What kind of money do we as a town have to put toward it?

[7:45] What potential grants are there available?

[7:51] Study in the map.

[7:54] As far as I know, and you can interrupt me,

[7:56] but as far as I know, the only study that was done

[7:58] was a possible redoing of that term there, by the direction.

[8:05] So they did, so we had, there's issues here,

[8:08] there's issue, and I think I'm assuming when you brought up Boobar, it was probably an

[8:13] issue on Lubbers Lane. There's lots of issues. Yeah. And all they talked about was the point

[8:20] of the green and cutting that out and changing the direction of it. And then Heather has all,

[8:25] and I don't think the study did this, but Heather also brought up the fact of not having

[8:30] two entrances into North America, by the fire station. But that doesn't solve this problem.

[8:41] And I think to be candid, you know, there was, you know, the town spent some money, we got a report done by that firm.

[8:50] It was one idea.

[8:54] I think it was generally met with a lukewarm or varied reception. Some people liked it, some people didn't.

[9:02] Some people thought, like David just said, well, it's going to maybe solve a problem for a few feet here.

[9:07] But I think that's what it's really lacking is, let's look at our issues and let's put together a plan that could potentially address as many of them as possible.

[9:20] And then, you know, is that the town has the resources to tackle a few of them?

[9:28] We could tackle a few of them right away where we have to apply for some grants or we have to, you know, one of the things that I thought was interesting that they said,

[9:36] which you know as roads get wider people drive faster. So one of the things that we as a town

[9:43] have probably not been cognizant of over the past years and years is allowing these roads when

[9:48] they get repaid to get a little bit wider and get a little bit wider and get a little bit wider.

[9:53] You know that's something that needs to be top of mind as we you know do some of this work like

[9:59] no the narrower the road the closer the trees are to the side just people

[10:08] That's leading into human nature, right? That's the idea of like you're not going to change

[10:12] human nature, but if human nature is drive slower on narrower roads that have trees closer

[10:20] to them.

[10:21] I mean, it would be nice if it could resolve it and not have to aesthetically change the

[10:25] whole traffic matter of the town.

[10:28] I know I can't admit. Another thing is the construction traffic. There was a lot of construction traffic. I don't know about this summer was a particular busy summer, but there were lots of big trucks.

[10:41] dump trucks pulling trailers with graveyards on them and they never could get around, could

[10:48] get some village as there's a turn there.

[10:51] They can, I've seen them, they're huge and there's a lot of them, so that's a consideration

[10:56] of how to take them in line.

[11:00] People drive really, really fast, not coming into the village, past our houses.

[11:05] It's crazy.

[11:08] It's not people that don't know where they're going.

[11:09] Well, it's not people that don't know those people, it's just that.

[11:14] Well, I think what we're waiting for is for a group of people to, and Heather,

[11:21] I thought when she left here was ready to work on that.

[11:28] Yeah, I guess from my standpoint, like, you know, like, you're free to form a committee.

[11:35] We love to see a committee formed. I'd love to be a part of that.

[11:39] that, you know, or we may be, we may be a part of that, but let's get some info from

[11:43] those folks and let's get kind of a, you know, what we want to take to the engineering

[11:49] firm would be, here's, you know, here's kind of our, our list of our issues, yeah, and

[11:56] say we want you to take a look at Lovers Lane, because we know that's a problem, it's a major

[12:00] cut through, it's not just Benem who came in, their neighbors came in, and we all know that

[12:04] that can be an issue.

[12:05] And let's take a look at this whole corridor.

[12:08] And we know potters and you know, like let's give them

[12:14] that directive that we really need to look at all of that.

[12:18] Well, why don't you put it on the agenda

[12:22] for the next record meeting that citizens are invited to come

[12:28] I'm in the meeting in the form of committee to deal and we need to deal with the traffic.

[12:37] I mean, I'd like to see.

[12:39] And then maybe have the study done, and then you can have public automated form of committee then.

[12:48] I don't know how to go about through it.

[12:53] I have to be more than that, letters sent out to all attacks there, setting up on the

[12:58] evening.

[12:59] Yeah, I don't think so.

[13:00] I think at this juncture we just need a couple of people to get together.

[13:03] It's not for the post-popism.

[13:05] I mean, to be great, you know, myself, I've never really looked at your gender every week.

[13:10] I think if you, like literally if you guys would talk to a few people and you come in next meeting with a bullet point list,

[13:16] that's kind of working toward what we need to engage with them, you know. Where did you leave it?

[13:24] It wouldn't be. So they they were paid for that study. So I think this is true. I'm telling you what

[13:33] I think I know. They were paid for that study at least a couple of years ago. Sometime after COVID and

[13:38] before I got on the selected. Yeah. So they were paid in full for that report that they put together.

[13:45] Andy asked them to come back. They put together a 30-45-minute presentation where they talked

[13:51] about some of their experiences calming in other towns and other cities, towns. And they

[13:57] also talked very briefly about that plan that they put together. And it got a lot of really

[14:03] good ideas spurred. There were 30 people in the room. Yeah, I mean 30.

[14:17] Critical

[14:18] mass. Yeah, it was right before the July or August. It was right before the July or August

[14:38] agenda for next. Does somebody take attendance? Is that meeting by the chance? Do we know who is there? I don't know about an active name.

[14:47] 20. Plus. I'm actually curious how Lucas was there. And how did those people know that we were having that?

[14:57] So, what are the people?

[15:04] I think we just posted notice. We said, you know, hey, five or whatever. 20 people showed up for that meeting. That was on a posting, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[15:13] Three tonight. Let me put something together of that sort that, like, we want to, like, let's not lose them. I think we really got a roll text.

[15:32] It would be the first Wednesday of the month.

[15:43] It could be as simple as if we got some people there.

[15:47] We'll adjourn our Slack board meeting.

[15:49] We can also hear and talk for a few minutes about some ideas

[15:53] and just kind of start to formulate that.

[15:56] Maybe it's okay, I'm gonna call the boo bars

[15:59] and get their concerns

[16:00] and then they're gonna outline her concerns

[16:03] and Potter can, you know,

[16:05] outline his concerns.

[16:06] It'll be eight pages long.

[16:08] And, you know, yeah,

[16:14] I will say again,

[16:15] like, I felt like that group that did that study,

[16:20] they have some knowledge.

[16:21] Could we have that study out that night?

[16:24] not to go back to that, but then just to start conversation.

[16:28] Yeah, did Andy send that to you?

[16:31] No.

[16:33] I'm going to send you a little bit of a blueprint.

[16:35] Once upon a time, there was a...

[16:37] I remember seeing a blueprint on it.

[16:40] And I was going to die.

[16:42] But that was...

[16:43] The mudders were all mudders too, but...

[16:45] Yeah.

[16:46] Did it?

[16:46] But he told you then that when I came in,

[16:48] he said he'd send it to me.

[16:50] Yeah, because we...

[17:24] So this is, yeah, this was the one that they, and this was dated 20, 23, so there you go,

[17:31] three years ago.

[17:33] That's it, that's it.

[17:37] But, you know, MSK engineers and the other person that's from the

[17:47] calming authority or something?

[17:49] I don't know.

[17:50] Yeah, so there were two people with the event. One of them was one of the engineers.

[17:53] And one of them was some state or county whose specialty is in traffic calming.

[18:02] And he had a couple of slides that he presented about a project in Bennington.

[18:27] And I believe, and I don't want to speak out of the term, but I think the gentleman who

[18:32] is on the staff at home and community or whatever, he's also a bit of a gateway toward

[18:38] some potential funding as well.

[18:41] So basically, if we engage him and get his help and it's kind of approved by them, he'd be

[18:48] in better chances of obtaining some funding or help toward that project.

[18:55] If we just call the state up and say, hey, we want to do this, we're going to say, okay,

[19:00] well, ask your taxpayers.

[19:03] And I feel like, I know he mentioned right, that project got a fair bit of state funding.

[19:11] The town had their, Bennington had to kick in a couple bucks,

[19:13] but then they got a grant towards.

[19:16] Do you have any idea how much the speed comes across $1

[19:22] ,000?

[19:24] I don't think that's a rubber, you know?

[19:27] I know.

[19:27] First they're tired, I don't know.

[19:28] Christopher Trolley?

[19:35] You know, over just over the years, I was going to talk about,

[19:38] do we put a couple of those flashing speed signs,

[19:41] or do you bring something like that in?

[19:43] And you know, there's lots of stuff we can do.

[19:47] And frankly, I feel like no action has been taken because it ends up being just one person's opinion.

[19:56] Why'd I like to see this? Well, I don't think this will work. Okay, well now we're not going to do that.

[19:59] And I think that's what an engineering firm and someone who is on their job is literally to study traffic calming.

[20:12] Maybe not just this section of the village, but take it from Greenland to half the pond.

[20:22] Right.

[20:23] I mean, because that's a size of a big truck.

[20:26] Yeah.

[20:27] That's all the time.

[20:28] Or even in winter.

[20:30] A lot of things.

[20:34] That's how good.

[20:36] And we have someone has this gentleman's name of contact information.

[20:41] Yes.

[20:46] Conning guy.

[20:47] Yes.

[20:47] Yeah.

[20:49] Andy had the most relation with him or the most communication with him.

[20:53] I once said they also did.

[20:55] Didn't they have some of those like traffic counters and whatever in place?

[21:00] They did.

[21:00] At the point.

[21:02] Yeah.

[21:03] So again, are you saying that this particular representative

[21:05] in this group would be at the October meeting?

[21:09] No, I don't know.

[21:10] They're not going to need it, though.

[21:12] We would re-engage.

[21:14] We are happy.

[21:15] We as a town will be happy to re-engage with them.

[21:18] If the committee.

[21:19] If the committee, we want a committee to give some consideration

[21:23] and thoughts and have something to give to them and say,

[21:27] this is what we want you to consider and look at.

[21:30] they could basically then give us a proposal and say I'm making this up you know

[21:35] it's 10 grand to do a study from there to there to there we'll present you a

[21:42] drawing or two we'll present you a summary of recommendations and then we can

[21:47] make sure that makes sense and then we can approve it we as a select ward can

[21:52] approve that expenditure that we're gonna give MSK X dollars and here's what

[21:59] they're going to present to us. And then we'll have something that, you know, that's really,

[22:05] in my opinion, that's the key to getting something done. They would return to us a deliverable

[22:09] that is done by an engineer, oversawed by a traffic calming specialist, a presentation of,

[22:18] here's a suggestion, right? Here's, I mean, there's multiple options. One next, you know,

[22:24] This is small, medium, large.

[22:26] Yeah.

[22:27] Yeah.

[22:31] For a service, they must have some idea

[22:33] what's the traffic is that happened for a seller.

[22:37] Right.

[22:37] I mean, good wild means.

[22:38] I'm sure they could tell you how many visits they have

[22:41] in the winter.

[22:42] No, they did have a counter-record.

[22:44] Yeah, a counter.

[22:46] Yeah.

[22:47] I don't know.

[22:47] It's, you know, so hard to remember.

[22:49] Was that two years ago or eight years ago?

[22:51] Yeah, exactly.

[22:52] But they did have a counter-record.

[22:54] You just stand out there one day and just keep stepping on it.

[22:59] It's it on my porch.

[23:02] All right, well good.

[23:05] Let's keep the ball rolling and try and...

[23:09] Put a gate.

[23:10] Try and get somewhere with that.

[23:11] A gate, there you go.

[23:14] Goes up and down.

[23:15] One car goes through.

[23:17] Right.

[23:22] How about a tunnel from Route 11 to Aptiphone?

[23:27] Yeah, just by past a whole time.

[23:29] 300 trillion dollars.

[23:34] We'll name it the University if you finance it.

[23:39] Actually, whatever you want, you finance it.

[23:41] Okay.

[23:42] You could put the power line in your money, right?

[23:44] There we go.

[23:52] I'll text some people and see if they come.

[23:55] Adrian sets us this long.

[24:00] She could come to the meeting.

[24:02] Who's this?

[24:04] Yeah.

[24:07] They're registered until the meeting.

[24:13] Yeah.

[24:14] I mean, I think the people that have come to the meeting

[24:16] I mean, potter and it's just a bar maybe, you know, put it on the agenda and say that this is your opportunity.

[24:24] Get Heather to come back.

[24:27] And would it come down to a post at 10 meeting for the, for this to proceed?

[24:34] I don't understand where it goes, where, where the final will go ahead.

[24:40] I mean, if there's a proposal that has to get approved.

[24:48] I don't know that answer, but I, you know, there's,

[24:51] It depends on the cost, right?

[24:53] So if we said today, let's go spend a couple of grand

[24:57] and put some signs up, we could approve that tonight.

[25:00] And you could buy some signs.

[25:02] I would think it would be prudent upon the select board

[25:05] if this is a major expenditure to have some type of, you know.

[25:09] Feed that, like, yeah.

[25:11] Yeah, like we wouldn't just, you know.

[25:14] care and say something about, for her time as a trader, it was a certain amount of money

[25:22] in the town, has to get alone and it has to be approved by a town meeting.

[25:29] But that means I don't know if that's true, that's just...

[25:33] I think we're a long way away from getting to spending a lot of money.

[25:37] Exactly.

[25:37] I mean, I think, yeah, right now we're not even past the first step, so.

[25:44] Yeah, but I think that's a reasonable goal, right?

[25:46] If town meaning is in the spring, right?

[25:48] Do we have something back from then?

[25:52] Do we have some ballpark numbers?

[25:55] Do we have some, you know, like that's six months from now?

[25:59] Plus, that's enough time that we could put that on a town

[26:03] mean agenda, say there's the town elect to spend,

[26:08] I'm just making us up, you know, a hundred grand

[26:10] with the hopes of getting a $200,000 grant

[26:13] to enact as much of this plan as we can.

[26:17] You know, that would be a ultimate sort of action item on it.

[26:24] Or, you know, it could be as simple as the project by Heather's house is, you know,

[26:34] 20 grand because the road already exists.

[26:36] We're just closing off a road and it's a couple days worth of time with an excavator.

[26:40] you know maybe that's done right away with our own funds or maybe we buy a couple

[26:46] humps and put them I don't know right

[26:50] okay

[26:59] any other comments okay thank you

[27:05] leaving us okay do

[27:10] you want to take this we have extra copies of this if you want to put

[27:14] in your okay sure okay great you

[27:25] probably liked it better when you're you

[27:27] you're up a driveway and put on a door or the action is now.

[27:31] Yeah.

[27:32] No, I love where we are.

[27:34] Yeah.

[27:36] You realize how many people walk on there.

[27:39] Oh, yeah.

[27:40] If I look for my porch towards David's, I can't see, but the curves right there, and you see

[27:46] people's friend one for the ditch, you know?

[27:49] That seems to be where, you know, they're not bad going by our porch, but then all of a sudden

[27:54] or be out of the way around.

[27:56] They come through there, like you, you know.

[27:59] And then the car's old.

[28:00] This is particularly bad.

[28:02] And this must be bad.

[28:04] So like I said, I mean, maybe my speed went through

[28:09] something out further.

[28:11] Gates, arms, I don't see the floor,

[28:16] they have a series of them by toes that drop off

[28:19] which also give pedestrian walk there.

[28:22] They don't have to worry about planning.

[28:26] Yeah.

[28:27] But it's fair enough.

[28:29] We're going to send a couple people that are doing them.

[28:32] I watch the license plates because I'm really concerned with the summer.

[28:35] Who exactly is doing this?

[28:36] And it's way more.

[28:38] But I would say that there's no loss.

[28:41] Right.

[28:41] They usually turn around and around since anyway.

[28:43] So.

[28:46] Thank you.

[28:48] Thanks guys.

[28:49] Thanks for coming.

[28:49] Appreciate it.

[28:53] Thanks.

[28:54] By the way, town network service is crowded by so many.

[28:58] I didn't see that

[29:02] in there.

[29:16] Thought we reviewed it already.

[29:45] Why is he calling?

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