[0:06] I call the Hudson Planning Commission meeting to order on September 9th at 6 o' 1 p.m. Can I get a roll call please? Commissioner Warren. Here. Commissioner Cole. Here. Commissioner Post. Here. Commissioner Shackley. Here. Commissioner Bond. Absent. Commissioner Wyant. Absent.

[0:34] I have the present commissioners had an opportunity to review the consent agenda.

[0:39] and

[0:44] we'll entertain a motion on such consent agenda.

[0:48] I move, we approve the consent agenda.

[0:51] Second.

[0:53] It's been moved and seconded, all in favor?

[0:56] Aye.

[0:58] Opposed?

[1:00] Consent agenda passes.

[1:02] Do we have any citizens online?

[1:04] No citizens online.

[1:06] No citizens in the group.

[1:10] So we move on, general business.

[1:12] This data center, Mediterranean, and future code amendment, Town of Puts and Water Supply

[1:17] presented by Bryce Lane, 2026, Town of Puts and Water Master Supply and Land.

[1:23] And I appreciate you introducing Bryce.

[1:25] What I'll just remind you guys is that this item has been on your general business for a

[1:30] while.

[1:31] So we are in the middle of a data center, a moratorium.

[1:35] You have our town manager here tonight.

[1:37] So this is going to be a rolling item.

[1:39] So we'll have different speakers.

[1:42] Bryce is here tonight to talk to you about our waters.

[1:45] We're going to talk in general about our water supply.

[1:47] I did add the water supply master plan into your packet.

[1:51] The packet is the agenda, but the water supply master plan is linked.

[1:54] You guys heard the water supply master plan.

[1:57] You actually had to act on it and approve it a little earlier.

[2:01] Last year, I can't remember what it was this year.

[2:03] Sorry, it's September.

[2:05] This year went by a little quicker than normal.

[2:08] I'm sorry to say. So you should be familiar with it, but Bryce is going to give you a high level

[2:13] of our water supply and talk to you about kind of how a data center would impact that water supply

[2:19] if one were to come in and give you some scenarios. So I'm not going to try and still your thunder,

[2:23] but I kind of give a little intro to what you're going to talk to everybody about tonight.

[2:28] All right, thanks Bryce for coming. All right, awesome. Can you hear me all right?

[2:32] already. So before you should have a sheet sheet like this, this is a really boiled down version

[2:39] of the water supply master plan. And this is specifically with Northern water supplies only.

[2:45] So the town also has other water supplies that I'll go into as well, but Northern is and has been

[2:51] the largest source of our water. So I'll go through it. I don't like to talk a whole whole lot.

[2:58] I'd rather have a discussion, so if you have questions, stop me, and we can have a discussion if I'm not explaining things the right way if you just have clarifying questions. So I'll start right at the top where it says water supply.

[3:11] So you'll see two columns or three columns. One is, you know, the left hand

[3:17] column CBT carryover, you know, of water year from 2025 to 2026 and then a

[3:22] water year 26 to 27. It's a little more complicated with with Northern. They

[3:27] have like a different water, they have a water year. So they have a water year of

[3:31] October 1 to September 30th for CBT and just to make things easy for windy

[3:37] gap, they have a water year of November first to October 31. So it's a little,

[3:43] little challenge there with kind of managing the supply. But I think that that makes sense

[3:48] just from us perspective that they can kind of see where the dust settles with water used from

[3:53] that previous summer. So kind of going through it, CBT carryover from previous water year, we didn't

[4:00] have any carryover. We just kind of didn't have any carryover from 20 or previous

[4:07] years CBT quota so we have 662 units allocated. We're projecting no change between you know this year

[4:17] and next year our allocation this year was 0.8 on average is 0.7 and an allocation is basically

[4:28] what percent of your total units you're going to get. So in this case 662 units our allocation was 80

[4:36] percent. So we got 529.6 units. It's kind of counterintuitive. During dry years, you actually get

[4:42] more water from CBT. CBT is used as a supplemental source of water. It is not meant to be a primary

[4:49] source. We've actually been capped by purchasing CBT until we can show that we have another source of

[4:56] water at the tap and that's verbatim language at the tap that we can use to offset any purchase of CBT.

[5:03] We're slowly but surely working towards that.

[5:05] We've purchased Windigap in the past.

[5:07] We're working on getting the RO system.

[5:10] Well, we have the RO system up and running,

[5:12] but expansions built into that RO system

[5:15] where you can add another skid.

[5:16] And I'll get to that a little later in this presentation.

[5:21] But Windigap did not pump this year.

[5:24] It's during years where CVTs heavily used.

[5:29] It's not going to pump.

[5:30] So, during years where it's a wetter, you're going to have more pumping and more availability.

[5:36] But when the gap did not pump this year, we kind of bought it after that's the start of the that water year.

[5:42] So, we'll have that available to next year as you'll see in the right hand column there.

[5:46] So, total supply for this water year, 2025 to 2026, that's concluding here shortly, it's 529.6.

[5:55] And then you'll see below that are water demand and you'll see that those numbers are an acre feet.

[6:03] So you'll see November and the unhighlated numbers, those are actual numbers.

[6:08] So that's actual numbers that we have. Those aren't estimates. The ones in yellow are projections based off of historic leaves.

[6:15] So you'll see, you know, throughout the year, you can see peaking in the hotter months of the year.

[6:21] That's why a lot of more people are using irrigation.

[6:24] So this year was quite eye for 41 acre feet in July.

[6:29] August is actually the highest water use month.

[6:32] So I'm sure once that becomes an actual,

[6:34] it's probably gonna be around that 41 acre feet,

[6:36] maybe a little higher, just a little drier this year.

[6:39] So in total, 296.5 acre feet was used

[6:46] of that 529.6.

[6:48] And we actually counsel approved the lease to Lairn Merwell's irrigation district for 100 acre feet of CBT.

[6:58] So that brings our total use of all of our supplies to 396.5 acre feet.

[7:05] So that leaves us with 133.1 acre feet of excess, so just water we're not using this year.

[7:13] So what we're proposing to do is actually take that 133.1 acre feet kind of going so if you look to the right hand column there that water year 2026 to 27.

[7:24] We're looking at taking that 133.1 acre feet, move it over to next year as carryover and that reduces our allotment by 10%.

[7:35] percent. So it actually shrinks it that carry over. That's just kind of a penalty of carrying

[7:40] this year's water to next year so that you can use it. So we would have 119.8 acre feet of water

[7:47] from this year to use right off the bat next year. So then again, same thing. Unit's own 662 units

[7:56] of CBT. We're taking a estimate, a conservative estimate based on previous allocations that we're

[8:03] we're going to have a 70% quota next year.

[8:05] If it's another dry year, it could be another 80%.

[8:07] And that means we get more water,

[8:09] and we have more excess water to potentially lease

[8:12] or carry over.

[8:13] It could be less, but unlikely, it'll be less.

[8:18] It's just historically it's been 70%.

[8:22] I think the last time they got to 50% was 2002.

[8:27] So I mean, we could estimate per 50% year.

[8:30] I just don't you just don't feel that's an appropriate number to put in there. So based off of a 70% quota and the carry over and the carry over we would have or sorry just based off that 70% quota we'd have 463.4 acre feet instead of that 529.6

[8:48] that you're prior. So then when you gap, we would have when you gap the next year and when you

[8:56] gap special because it can be used to extinction and what that means is you can use it over and over

[9:01] and over. So the way that we're set up is we would use it once and then we'd use it at the whisper

[9:08] or trim the plant as effluent. We would claim that credit to be to offset our use of box solder.

[9:14] And I'll get to box solder a little later but that's important because that's what we're not having

[9:18] to pump from Laramie Fox Hills to offset Boxel.

[9:22] So in the future, if there's a non-portable system

[9:26] in the future somewhere, this water could be reused

[9:29] as non-pot too.

[9:30] So it gives a lot of more opportunities for the talent

[9:34] in the future, having one to gap.

[9:37] So total supply, all things considered,

[9:41] We're estimating 583.2 acre feet of water next year, which is up from 529.6 this year.

[9:50] So then we have a column of projections based on historical averages.

[9:55] So we estimate that the 285.6 acre feet is what we would have for this next water use

[10:03] We wouldn't have a lease built into it to Larimer and Weld County irrigation district.

[10:12] But we do have an assumption that the prison would come back online with 1250 people max.

[10:18] Now that's the maximum.

[10:20] Will they fill up with 1250 people?

[10:24] I would venture guests probably.

[10:26] there's one block that is actually a special unit that isn't like doesn't have

[10:33] general population mobility. It's for like higher security people and I don't

[10:38] think they're going to fill that block, but I could be wrong. So we're

[10:41] estimating for a full 1250 people to be at this facility. So that's 230 acre feet.

[10:47] So you add the 285.6 acre feet that we're projecting the rest of the town to use

[10:52] With it's 130 acre feet that we're projecting that 1250 people use at the the facility

[10:58] It brings our total to 515.6 acre feet of of use for 20 this next year. And we have an excess of 67.6 acre feet

[11:09] Afterwards, now you'll notice that this is just northern water spots that that one also has

[11:15] versus water treatment plant that hasn't even been talked about.

[11:19] So the town has 100 acre feet of box elder water in addition to this 67.6 that we're projecting

[11:28] for next year for northern water supplies. And there's several capital improvements that the

[11:34] town can make to actually further increase the supplies that we make here that are non-nordered supplies.

[11:41] I'll just list a few. They're also in your water supply master plan to really quick. Are there any questions on the northern front here?

[11:51] I tried to investigate this because there's only a couple of people that were around back then, but so when that prison was originally built, it was they were going to build out to 1250 beds.

[12:08] But they had plans and I believe approved to do a add-on, basically, double in the capacity

[12:16] of the prison.

[12:18] The one thing that no one can remember that I've talked to is the water that they've

[12:25] dedicated is that just for the full 50 or is that to expand it out more.

[12:31] CUP for that second, that add-on or whatever, that CUP died within a year.

[12:39] No, it did die and they never did any kind of additional water dedication for that additional

[12:46] CUP.

[13:00] They'd have to go back through a process to ask you all.

[13:03] So our land use code doesn't allow additional correctional facilities so that would have to

[13:08] be a whole code amendment, then they have to come back and ask you again, yeah, just

[13:24] the one. Yep. Any other questions on the northern, northern supplies, and then I'll kind

[13:30] of get into the box older. Yeah, I'm just curious what our allocation would have to be to

[13:35] put us into a deficit. Sorry, what was that? What would the allocation have to be to put

[13:39] that's an actual deficit, like 0.4, 0.5, 0.5.

[13:45] Yeah, and that's extremely unlikely.

[13:47] I'm assuming. Right.

[13:48] Yeah, and that's why we ran that scenarios.

[13:49] Like, what's the worst case scenario?

[13:51] 0.5 would be like 67 acre feet in the negative.

[13:55] This is just kind of what we're running.

[13:57] And if Northern water did something like that.

[13:59] I'm telling you right now, like they'd get the communities come into their annual meeting with pitchforks.

[14:04] Oh, yeah.

[14:05] Like they they they kind of threatened to do a point six and they got major blowback and they were like okay point seven

[14:11] Yeah, so points point six for breaking even just have northern supplies

[14:14] So like we we just scrape by by just using northern supplies. I might be getting a little off subject here

[14:21] But I'm just curious is how do they determine that allocation right so it goes under that. It's no pack. It's no bad

[14:27] So they have a lot of snowpack in on the mountains. They have scientists that work for northern and they're bored ultimately decides

[14:34] based on a recommendation brought forward by Northern staff that have a lot of

[14:38] a lot of technical experts at and Northern that monitor that stuff so they

[14:43] they you know they bring that recommendation but it's ultimately a board

[14:46] decision Northern Northern Water Conservancy Board. I would say it's it's think of it

[14:52] as an opposite day so on years where we have where it's it's really

[15:00] It's almost about our, if our round water supplies are, are, are good, and, and, and snow pack is, is like, good, they're like, you're good. So we're not going to, we're not going to worry about what's going on up here as much. So you're good, we're going to give you less. And it's like, what, what, what do you mean? You're going to give us less. So it's kind of like opposite day. You think, oh, you're doing good up in the mountains, you're going to give us more water.

[15:27] and it's not it's not always intuitive that way so just just just keep that in

[15:33] mind when you're like oh you got a lot of snow up there we're going to get a

[15:36] lot of water that's that's really not not not necessarily how it works because

[15:40] they're like oh when we've got a lot of water up here you guys are doing good

[15:43] down there so you're good they just assumed that the groundwater is increased as

[15:47] well yeah exactly and I heard from Northern staff that they probably could have

[15:52] justified a higher quota this year just with how dry it was but they're being

[15:57] conservative that they don't want to, you know, give more this year and then next year we have

[16:03] a really, you know, another dry, dry year. So that point eight is a conservative from them even.

[16:09] So what happens if we use more than what's projected? What was it called? And do we fix these

[16:15] microphones? That's really loud.

[16:27] Yeah, yeah, you can hear yourself think now. So if we use,

[16:32] we use more, we can't, we can't, from north or in unless we, you know, lease

[16:37] other supplies. So there are, you know, depending on your portfolio makeup, you

[16:41] could go to another entity and say, do you have access CBT or Wendy gap this

[16:46] year? Otherwise, for us, it's leaning more into our

[16:50] reveal well use. So our box alder water, we just pump more box alder water.

[17:00] Yeah, they would, they only send you what you'll, what you can, what is yours?

[17:05] So it comes from Fort Lofton or Fort Lofton crew kind of knows what to send for Lofton and us. So it's a lot of paperwork's exchanged and there's a lot of conversations way we have it dialed in right now is we're pulling as much of our CBT

[17:21] and Northern supplies to get to a maximum of 500,000 gallons per day at the Fort

[17:27] Lofton plant because that's what we own at the Fort Lofton plant. So we're

[17:31] maxing that out first and then we would go to supplementing with our RO which

[17:37] feel like the numbers were not like we're not even close to like running the RO

[17:41] at full capacity. Right now the RO's run to just keep the membranes wet and keep

[17:46] the infrastructure and lights working for a day when we have to but but it's it'd be creative

[17:53] if you're trying to use northern supplies there's neighbors that have supplies that they could

[17:58] potentially lease just like we did with Limer and wealth irrigation district this year

[18:03] maybe next year they have supplies that we could lease so just being in that system allows us a little

[18:08] more flexibility for using our groundwater supplies and we do monthly accounting so we literally

[18:14] have to crunch numbers for them on a monthly basis and send them to somebody over it at CBWF.

[18:24] I did

[18:29] notice that projections for 2026, 2027 year are all lower than

[18:38] essentially what we did this year. Are we making an assumption that we'll get better snow?

[18:43] Yeah, I think the assumptions just kind of going back to the average just like that 0.7 reducing back to kind of an average year, that's kind of the the assumption there.

[18:53] But if we have a drier year, you can expect those numbers down below the increase and you can, you know, it.

[18:59] in tandem, hopefully expect Northern quota.

[19:01] It's also increased to that point eight.

[19:05] My understanding is they could sustain a point eight

[19:07] or 80% quota for two years

[19:10] before they start to get a little tough.

[19:13] So I mean, if we have another really dry year,

[19:17] I don't I guess hopefully Northern would be willing

[19:20] to do a point eight or maybe a point seven five

[19:23] or something of that nature.

[19:26] but they, yeah, they couldn't sustain that long-term doing point-aids like

[19:30] something would have to be figured out. But their experts are there. They've got a

[19:34] lot of, a lot of really smart people working for Notre-Dame.

[19:38] We're at Grand Junction a couple weeks ago. I've never seen the Polar River that low.

[19:43] I don't even think I think there are some dry spots in some areas. I really do.

[19:47] I don't even know how I was begging it through Utah.

[19:54] Planner colleagues in Arizona and very close to the Phoenix area and they're,

[19:59] they're all kind of like biting their fingernails going. I don't know what we're going to do.

[20:03] Their first problem is the binaris. I mean I'm not going to go there but you know what I mean

[20:08] I mean they're more worried about how they're going to plan for their communities in the future

[20:12] but I won't go there you know. Some positive news on the upper basin we're part of the upper

[20:19] basin states and the federal government intervened and actually you know kind of kind of

[20:26] the tolls, California, and kind of those lower basin states,

[20:29] so California, Nevada, and Arizona,

[20:31] that they were using too much water.

[20:33] So it's kind of a huge win for a supper basin states,

[20:37] Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, I think it's upper basin.

[20:43] So pretty important there, but my understanding is the battle's

[20:47] not done on that.

[20:48] That front either more negotiating to happen

[20:51] between the states.

[20:52] But and this one is supposed to be a weird one. I mean, maybe a good, weird one, but who knows?

[21:00] It's supposed to be wet. So I don't know what that means, but that could be a good thing. Yeah.

[21:08] So if there's no other questions on the Northern supplies, I can get into the, the, the box,

[21:13] alder, and army, box, cell supplies that we, we have that we haven't even touched on. So this is,

[21:18] This is all, all the North Indian supplies is assuming just that's all we're using to supply existing development and that's in correctional facility.

[21:29] So that's, that's that. So the town also has a reverse osmosis water treatment plant that treats box elder.

[21:39] The thing with box elder though is as you use a gallon of box elder, you need to have a gallon of return flows.

[21:45] So what we do is we use Box Elder at our RO treatment plant and we augment or we return water that's Laramie Fox Hills and soon we'll be windy gap.

[21:59] So that's windy gap also helps us not utilize our Laramie Fox Hills that's on a hundred year lifespan.

[22:07] So, wind gaps and perpetuity in theory so that we'll be able to re-use multiple times for augmentation, where we fox hills is a finite source, so you get it for 100 years.

[22:19] So, that's important. Our our our treatment plant is can treat up to 150 acre feet of water, but for being, you know, having conservative estimates for what we'll get into the math equation later is I'm just going to say 100 acre feet.

[22:34] So that's 100 acre feet that we can treat currently and based on our projections here from

[22:41] our northern supplies don't necessarily need it but we do need to keep the RO up and running,

[22:45] keep the membranes wet, if the membranes dry out then it's a $50,000 repair so we do kind of treat it

[22:51] and make sure that the system's running as it should. So then other capital improvements that we could

[22:58] do to add more water would be to, you know, put well number four, thermifoxyl is well number four,

[23:05] that's out by the prison, or sorry, out by being assessed logistics center. So you see the big

[23:11] Hudson tank there. There's a well that's already plumbed into the tank, the booster pump station there,

[23:18] currently getting labs back from CDPHE to see if we can get that back online in theory. So that's

[23:24] 40 acre feet that's already drilled well,

[23:26] it's already pumped in there,

[23:27] it just hasn't been utilized.

[23:29] So we're waiting tests from CDPHE.

[23:32] I'm not sure when it was mothballed,

[23:33] but we're under much more stringent regulations

[23:36] these days than back then.

[23:39] So 40 acre feet from well number four.

[23:43] And then we have 97 acre feet of when we fox hills

[23:47] near the sparbo tank that came from the sand hills

[23:50] entitlement from when the prison was was annexed.

[23:53] So that's another another 97 acre feet of Laramie fox hills the well is not drilled there

[23:59] But the the town in theory as that entitlement that could be used

[24:04] And then

[24:06] We could also add another skid at our existing reverse osmosis treatment plant. It's set up for two skids

[24:12] we currently have one and

[24:15] We could add another skid for approximately 1.1 to 1.5 million if demands get there

[24:21] but as you can see with our older and supplies and our existing RO in a large room plant

[24:27] might not be necessary and just something to plan for in the future as development occurs and

[24:32] as that need occurs. So in total taking the conservative estimate on what we can actually treat

[24:39] our RO system, we have 337 acre feet of excess water that we could grow into with those capital

[24:48] improvements that I mentioned so getting that laryme fox hills well number four online drilling

[24:53] and laryme fox hills by the prison sparble tank not for 97 acre feet and then adding the 100 acre

[25:01] foot skid to our oral point so 337 acre feet. So then we'll get into data centers and I'll admit I

[25:09] used a data center a little bit for some of my research use chat GPT to kind of get some of the

[25:15] information. So I'm not an expert on data centers. I think you'll have an expert that can kind

[25:20] of qualify some of what I'm giving you. Next meeting, I think you'll have someone that's actively

[25:27] permitting a data center in World County come talk to you. But just rough numbers. Air

[25:33] cool data centers could use approximately 10,000 gallons per day. That's kind of the lesser

[25:39] intensive data centers that I've seen or heard. And then the more intensive

[25:46] users could be 100,000 gallons per day more. So it really depends on how it's

[25:51] designed. Some they're getting a little saffier with data centers where they're

[25:54] recirculating water. It's not a pass-through. I think they're, you know, as technology

[26:01] develops, they find ways to make things a little more efficient and practical and

[26:05] accepted. So for planning assumptions we'll say that per megawatt a data center uses 22 to 34 acre

[26:16] feet of water per year. So you take the average 28 acre feet of water per megawatt. There was a

[26:24] 750 megawatt data center that was proposed supposedly around Hudson. We don't have any confirmation that

[26:32] that was ever a legitimate plan,

[26:34] but it was posted publicly on a website

[26:37] and kind of stirred things on Facebook.

[26:40] 750 megawatts is huge for reference

[26:44] the global AI data center that's proposed

[26:46] and well, the county between Greeley and Windsor's,

[26:48] the first phase is proposed to be 27.5 megawatts.

[26:52] So 750 megawatts is massive,

[26:56] and it would actually require 21,000 acre feet of water

[26:59] per year.

[27:00] We don't have 21,000.

[27:01] and I don't think we'd be able to get 21, so yeah.

[27:10] So for an alternative comparison,

[27:14] so if you're taking that 28 acre feet of water

[27:17] and you're applying it to the global AI data center

[27:19] that's proposed in a weld county between Windsor and Greeley,

[27:23] and now admittedly, I don't know how much water they're gonna use.

[27:26] I'm just taking the average,

[27:26] so that's something that you can find out next meeting

[27:28] when you talk to the gentleman permitting it.

[27:31] but if you just take the average, 27.5 megawatts times that 28 acre feet, that's 770 acre-feet per year.

[27:40] That's probably a little more reasonable for the city's like Windsor and Greeley to be able to supply.

[27:46] That's a little, that's outside of our reach.

[27:49] If we were tasked with finding water, I'm sure we could find the water,

[27:53] but I don't think it's the highest priority of the planning commission in town council to find a data center that uses this much water,

[28:01] I know some communities require the developer to bring the water in, and so that would be the obvious caveat here. If you want to build here, you bring the water.

[28:10] Absolutely. Good point. Yeah, and our 337 acre feet supplies are cash and loop and the way our ordinance is written is the town decide town council would decide to accept your cash and loop.

[28:24] or if they would require you to go get your own water.

[28:28] So if there was something that was summer

[28:29] and some of the acre feet was serious in Hudson,

[28:32] you guys wanted to consider it,

[28:34] it's probably something where maybe you supply some of it

[28:37] or maybe you require all of them to get all of the water

[28:41] that they need.

[28:42] So a good point, good, yeah.

[28:46] So taking our 337 acre feet that we have

[28:50] an excess theory with our capital improvements, we could support 12.03 megawatt data center with

[29:00] our supplies right now, but that would tap us out. Not saying we don't have a data center

[29:06] proposed here, but just for illustrative purposes there's one that's proposed in

[29:11] wealth county between Windsor and Greeley for 27.5 megawatts. We right now couldn't support that

[29:17] with their cash and they'd have to go out and purchase that water and bring it to the time.

[29:25] So that's that's that's that. And for acre like purposes of acreage acre foot,

[29:29] it's a 325, 851 gallons. If you're looking for that that number and acre foot is just the measurement

[29:37] sorry, should have said that before measurement of of a large quantities of water. So it's literally

[29:43] how much water covers one acre of land.

[29:48] So that's kind of what that is.

[29:49] So any questions on kind of the non-northern supplies

[29:54] and what that might mean for the data center?

[30:00] I didn't see any discussion in here about adding any kind of storage. Is Hudson looking at the possibility of adding storage somewhere, maybe upriver or something? I know some of the gravel companies dug a lot of pits up there and they blind those pits and they're selling storage or leasing storage to communities.

[30:22] Yeah, I think he's more talking in terms like reservoirs to store it before he comes here. Correct. Correct. So that when you have those big water years, which will come back, we will have

[30:32] have big water years, you have the potential to store some water for the future.

[30:36] Yeah, that's a great point. To be honest, really, I haven't put, like, our team hasn't

[30:41] put too much thought into storage, just because we've been optimized, like, trying to optimize

[30:46] things in town. But longer term, it's certainly something that the talent should explore is

[30:51] storage for those, those years where maybe we don't want to carry over and have shrinkage.

[30:57] Maybe we'd want to divert our CBT to sit in this reservoir and we take 100 percent

[31:02] or what have you, or we don't want to lease it to a layer of layer

[31:06] in the world's irrigation district.

[31:08] We want to just take in and have it sit there.

[31:10] That's something to definitely consider in the future.

[31:14] But as far as storage in town, like those tanks after treatment,

[31:17] yeah, there's a lot of storage here.

[31:19] Back too much, we actually need to use more.

[31:22] So it's not sitting there.

[31:28] We have a million at Memorial Park.

[31:33] We've got almost three million in storage almost just about three million in storage.

[31:41] The towers are almost like I want to say just under 300,000.

[31:46] There's not a lot there.

[31:47] It's like 90,000, like 97,000.

[31:49] Yeah.

[31:51] They're small amount of storage.

[31:54] No, you could use it for non-cultible in the future.

[31:59] If that's something that town wants to consider,

[32:01] I think as growth happens on the old pressure zone.

[32:05] So there's two pressure zones in town.

[32:06] One is kind of BNSF and North up to the prison.

[32:11] So that tank that's there serves BNSF and the prison

[32:15] and growth north of I-76.

[32:17] The old pressure zone, you know, I'll call it is Memorial Park and that's everything that's over here.

[32:23] So there'll be a day where eventually so much growth happens here.

[32:28] And we're actually concluding our water master plan that hopefully gets around through planning commission and town council soon.

[32:35] But there will be a day where too much growth has happened here that we need to get more creative with either adding another booster pump station somewhere strategically here.

[32:45] or divert those peak use months.

[32:49] And that could be, you know, as you see here,

[32:52] you can see, you know, it's not consistently 13.9 acre feet

[32:56] from January to August, right?

[33:00] So you see those peaking months?

[33:01] How can we divert the peak?

[33:03] How can we, you know, supplement the peak without building it out

[33:07] so that we're having to provide it 41 acre feet a month?

[33:11] Well, you can maybe use the towers

[33:14] to supplement for a purple pipe system on pot and get some of the heavy water users like

[33:20] the school, the town, and the library maybe on this system. So something to think about in future

[33:27] too as we drill. One thing I would add Sean to your comment is to it's going to be about the sources.

[33:32] Right. If someone came to us with the source that had an opportunity for a supply. So you know

[33:39] a lot of people on the South Platte had those opportunities for supply and storage.

[33:44] We're not close enough to the South Platte, right?

[33:47] But if we had a well opportunity that was compatible with our system and our supplies,

[33:53] that might be a good opportunity.

[33:55] So as I always say, it's about having a square peg and a square hole.

[33:59] So if we find that opportunity, we would go for it.

[34:03] So one of those opportunities in our supply plan is lost creek, right?

[34:07] And that's one of those options where we might have the storage capabilities, but there's

[34:14] wells, there's pipes, there's other things out there.

[34:17] So it might not be storage, but it might be the supply lines coming.

[34:23] So I mean, there's other opportunities out there that we're looking at from an infrastructure

[34:28] perspective that might go with some of these square pegs and the square holes.

[34:33] I understand.

[34:34] I understand.

[34:35] Yeah.

[34:36] If my math is correct, 3 million gallons of storage equates to less than 10 acre feet

[34:42] of water, which is a drop in the bucket compared to your annual consumption.

[34:46] And it's not going to last us forever.

[34:50] It's a good question.

[34:53] Question I had on the numbers, who are the users in these statistics?

[34:59] Is it just here in town, is there any agriculture involved with this or anything?

[35:04] Where does numbers come from?

[35:05] These numbers just come from our existing utility customers and our existing users, so there are some that are like that are not in town, like they're not in the corporate limits, but I don't know that I would categorize them as necessarily

[35:19] the AG users just, I don't know.

[35:24] I don't think we have any.

[35:25] I don't think we have any.

[35:26] The tree, yeah, we have the tree farm.

[35:28] The tree farm's the only, like, AG use

[35:31] that I would equate to being on our system.

[35:34] No.

[35:36] They were tied in and it was for emergency purposes only

[35:40] and they claim that they don't need our water.

[35:43] So did it only been in 2018, one year.

[35:46] So, as far as ag users, it's relating, it's really the tree farm that's out on 43, 43, 43.

[35:56] For the cemetery.

[35:59] I'm trying to think, is there anybody else in the Zodys?

[36:02] No.

[36:02] I don't think anybody else is.

[36:07] Yeah.

[36:09] Out of towners.

[36:12] We do feel like this house right here is out of town technically.

[36:18] I mean,

[36:21] Daniel, they're right there, that out of town property right there is on, but

[36:27] there's a couple on the other side of town too that are out, but I can't think of any

[36:32] more that are farm, farming farms that are okay

[36:38] there,

[36:47] and I think I just, yeah, I think

[36:49] I think Commissioner Hawaiian brought up good point is we have a cash from Lou policy to

[36:53] make things easier for development, they just write a check and you know, they're for

[36:58] out of state they don't understand how Colorado water rules works they just write a check and it works

[37:04] and then you have more complicated larger users that maybe are cash from the policy doesn't work for

[37:10] and maybe that's a data center and maybe you're asking a proposed data center to go find supplies to

[37:16] support their large domain. I think if you got an out-of-state user who doesn't understand how

[37:21] call about a lot of alerts, it's time for them to learn.

[37:24] Yeah, they they learned real quick when it's like, yeah, no,

[37:29] you don't understand when when they get the price, they learned

[37:34] real quick.

[37:35] Some of that cash in lieu and has had an extra was to help the

[37:39] small developers, you know, building one house or something where

[37:44] hey, we'll help you out, you know, just as a check for this, we

[37:47] got the water good to go. Not some big company that.

[37:56] Oh, yeah, it's not meant to, to totally

[37:59] deplete our commerce, right? If somebody was going to do that, it's going to be like, no,

[38:03] you go find it. Within the processes, that decision mood. So it depends on water, you know, water,

[38:11] water demands. I think it's S I A is probably good. It depends. It's like subdivision. It'll be

[38:16] done at final plot. We typically will negotiate at final plot. If it's a big like a residential

[38:21] This was a little bit different, but the newer one, the newer one, the newer one was all the direct.

[38:30] That is kind of true. But like, you know, had and that was all kind of, they were, they were done at site plan because they kind of went straight, site plan, a building permit.

[38:41] So like, you know, non residential is going to be kind of at a different time building permit type plan versus residential is going to typically be negotiated like price at SA or final plot.

[38:54] But we will typically like like if they're going to they're going to be a really heavy user that's going to be kind of a different level conversation where it's going to be like we're going to need you to dedicate or.

[39:05] or so it'll be heavily dependent on how much.

[39:12] That's what I think the town in my view

[39:15] is best suited offering cash and move where it can.

[39:18] Because as I've mentioned

[39:20] and it's been the biggest barrier

[39:22] and I think we finally came out,

[39:24] saw eye with the order and is we are capped at CBT.

[39:27] So like CBT exists on the open market

[39:29] and you can go buy CBT.

[39:31] It's like $65,000 or $65,000, I think, for a unit of CBT.

[39:38] We're barred from buying that because we don't have a $50,50 ratio of CBT to other supplies.

[39:45] So that's why we went out and purchased Windigab.

[39:49] That's why we've gotten our own plant online.

[39:52] The goal is hopefully, eventually, we are at a $50,50 ratio with supplies to CBT because

[39:58] that opens the opportunity to go purchase CBT or have someone else go purchase CBT and come

[40:03] dedicated to us. So yeah,

[40:11] yeah. They exist in like smaller quantities I think like

[40:16] like I think farms sell I think a lot of it's being there was an auction not too long ago I mean

[40:27] so basically it's been very stable and I think a lot of a lot of people are in the same boat where

[40:32] The Bureau of Reclamation will receive Northern as basically institute this policy of like unless you have other supplies to offset CBT your barred from purchasing it and using it.

[40:43] It's supposed to be a supplemental supply.

[40:47] What's difficult is when you go to Northern and you explain what you're using it for.

[40:51] they get cagey about it. And so that transfer and inclusion process they're

[41:03] extremely touchy nowadays. It's not as easy as it used to be. So that's the

[41:08] process that they're very, very critical with nowadays. And so unless you know

[41:16] what you're using it for how much exactly you're using, you can't just go in

[41:20] and nowadays and be like, I want to be included

[41:22] in your district, they will read you 20 questions,

[41:24] they will, I mean, so nowadays when we annex the property,

[41:29] it's not automatic, go and get included.

[41:31] It's we're gonna have to wait until you have a development plan

[41:34] and you know exactly what you're using the water

[41:36] for and everything before you're gonna go for inclusion.

[41:38] So it's a whole other process nowadays.

[41:42] And I, another recommendation is continue to grow

[41:46] the customer base because the 230 acre feet of use next year it's a large part of our portfolio

[41:55] and when you have one large user that can come offline for 10 years and then come back online for

[42:02] five it really really messes with rates and things like that for existing customers so the more

[42:08] diversification the broader that your base of utility pairs can be the more stable we can make

[42:14] rates for those years that the facilities may be closed, so I mean it goes with data centers.

[42:23] You don't want a seven-hour acre foot data center and you know that's going to be the largest

[42:28] you know over half of your user base because it's going to yeah the verification also becomes

[42:33] a safety issue right like if one of those where to get affected those water supplies where to get

[42:38] affected. Yes, you'd want a redundant system.

[42:45] Great. Any other questions? There are always kind of like

[42:49] talking with you about water. It's kind of been a four year

[42:53] stand to learn about water. So it's something I think about all

[42:57] the time. So appreciate me. Let me vendor your about it. So

[43:00] you think the master plan would be coming soon? Yeah, we are told

[43:05] by the end of the month we should have a final draft wrapped up and

[43:08] should be ready to route the planning commission in October, maybe November at the latest.

[43:13] It's going to hope. I made sure to ask the question before we got to this meeting tonight.

[43:19] The Water Master Plan not to be confused with the water supply master plan is water master plan

[43:24] focuses really on the infrastructure aspects. So pressure zones, storage,

[43:30] when we're in ethics, you know, replace different main lines. So that's really the focus

[43:37] some more of infrastructure as opposed to the supplies. So it's another very important

[43:43] plan and yeah, it's been a long time coming. So yeah, there was a thing in the Facebook

[43:51] cloud.

[43:58] The way that it is plumbed right now is they can be or they can be interdependent

[44:07] Uh, the pressure drop might have been, uh, because it, you know, a few years ago, used to have like pressure drops for several minutes. Now, it should just be a quick, you know, this because it's going from.

[44:20] Uh, main line like United power to a generator.

[44:24] And it takes just a little bit of time to get, you know, get that generator kicked on. It's kind of like a balloon as soon as that power is not there and I notice a little bit of a blip.

[44:33] But it shouldn't be substantial where you're losing pressure completely for pretty good time.

[44:41] It is.

[44:43] So that's the importance of having those generators who also have other generators budgeted for for next year.

[44:50] the odds and hills. Lift station is one and then the alluvial well pump stations

[44:57] is also proposed to have generators.

[45:00] All just for that for guns. You know, power's been better, but there has been times where we're showing the way sort of true plan things just kind of get a little weirder with oil and gas kicking on kicking off kind of since the power certainly so. Yeah.

[45:20] No, there's a there's a pump, but there's not a generator. No. Right, that little shack between 76 and yeah.

[45:29] to ask to have a generator installed.

[45:33] It does not have a generator at the moment.

[45:38] Correct. Yep. You know, and as we get, you know, as we utilize the RO more heavily,

[45:46] that we're done to see at the pump station is going to be important to your point.

[45:49] It just hasn't been a super high a priority for us because as I mentioned, we're really just running

[45:55] the RO to keep the membranes wet and the system working. So it just hasn't been worth the $60,000

[46:01] and investment this bar. Up to 5% but it varies. Like you'll have shut-offs, go in Northern,

[46:10] shuts the Southern water supply pipeline off completely for this.

[46:19] On average, average about 5%.

[46:42] Yeah, we're working on estimates for the 97 acre feet under the prison entitlement that we have from the sandals annexation there.

[46:52] So we're working on estimates for that and also an augmentation bond down on 44 and 45 for LFH.

[47:00] So to be your TBD on the actual cost on on the well and.

[47:14] So my recommendation is not to pay for it.

[47:18] We don't we don't need it, but if development needs it,

[47:21] development should pay for it.

[47:22] It's kind of kind of the approach that I would take.

[47:26] I was just more giving theoretical ways of how the talent could

[47:30] would in theory support development,

[47:32] but the town doesn't have to.

[47:34] Kind of the official alliance point is,

[47:36] we can require development to bring in water to support itself.

[47:41] That's just, if we want to offer cash from Lou,

[47:44] we could in theory up to 337 acre feet,

[47:47] with just the low annual fruit that we,

[47:49] we know straight right before us, but.

[47:52] Does that kind of make sense?

[47:54] Is that it?

[47:55] Yeah.

[47:55] So that would be very, very good for the net product.

[48:08] Yeah,

[48:14] so the the growth could be a theory accommodated with up to 337 acre feet. There's other opportunities that the town could explore last week being one of them.

[48:24] You could also continue to look into northern supplies as they become accessible.

[48:31] the goal is to get that 50-50 at the tap on paper blend so that we could maybe

[48:37] pursue CBT in the future or maybe there's another share of windy gap that

[48:41] the town wants to purchase in the future but I think the snapshot and time I

[48:46] think what this says is just on northern supplies alone and what we have with our

[48:51] RO treatment plant that we can sustain when we have and that's in correctional

[48:56] facility and still have a path forward to support some level of growth, whether it's a 700, I don't

[49:02] think it's a 700 acre foot, you know, data center, but it's a potentially a 337 acre feet of

[49:10] development of the developer wants to partner with some of the needed capital improvements.

[49:15] It's essentially, I think town code requires an acre of foot per resident, so it's essentially

[49:20] 337 additional houses, which would essentially double the side of this town if not tripled.

[49:27] 330. I believe we'd do a half acre foot per house, SFE. So that would actually be 600 and seven

[49:36] houses in theory that the town could support.

[49:59] Any estimates or projections of what

[50:04] I mean, they're looking at vents when you got thousands and thousands of people there that's a load not only on I wouldn't say a big load on the water, but it's me big, big hit on our waste water treatment.

[51:06] Yeah, now maybe maybe the end of the year, like hopefully we get a site plan to review.

[51:24] Well, hope it continued, you know, hopefully they can get something in by the end of the year.

[51:55] or we probably should talk on Mike's as it's being recorded.

[52:09] Talking to the Mike's as it's recorded but in talking to the Mike, sorry.

[52:14] Thank you, Don. I appreciate it.

[52:19] Actually here and like hear myself and you know, like I can talk,

[52:25] appreciate that. Any other questions for Bryce?

[52:31] All right, well thanks again. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it.

[52:37] We're actually having a conversation.

[52:39] It's nice discussion.

[52:44] Discussion items.

[52:45] Remember planning commission meeting also veterans day.

[52:48] Wait, hold on real quick.

[52:49] I want to give you an update.

[52:50] So next time, so Bryce kind of alluded to this,

[52:53] like you'll hear about somebody who's

[52:54] permitting a data center.

[52:55] So David Eisenbron, the planning director

[52:58] for Weld County is going to come.

[53:00] And I was like, oh, you're going to get to give us a two first.

[53:02] So the reason why you couldn't be here tonight

[53:03] is because he has a planning committee.

[53:05] He had a planning commission meeting today.

[53:07] And it included the data center that he's permitting that's

[53:11] right adjacent to Windsor that apparently is a real fun one.

[53:15] Don't ask me to define the word fun in this particular case.

[53:18] But he should be able to give us an update on that,

[53:21] that case because it should be going to the Board of County commissioners.

[53:26] Yeah, within the meantime, if they haven't postponed it or,

[53:29] or continued it or whatever the proper word for,

[53:32] for what they do is.

[53:34] because I also heard Windsor and Greeley are also talking about this particular data center as well at their own public hearings.

[53:41] So that is what I heard on the news as well.

[53:44] So we should be able to kind of pick his brain on those applications, but the county also went through their own moratorium on data centers last year and then did their own code update on data centers as well.

[53:54] So we'll be able to talk to him kind of on both sides of that issue, both permitting and on kind of their code updates on data centers in the county.

[54:04] So he'll be at our next meeting in October.

[54:07] So I'm sorry, I mean to steal your thunder, but go on to the next item.

[54:10] Daniel, sorry, I apologize.

[54:11] I don't have any thunder to steal. So yeah, so that discussion item.

[54:19] Next meeting falls on Veterans Day.

[54:21] We don't have any cases per se, but just in case we do, you know, we've got customers that if we do have a case that pops up, we just wanted to discuss with you if you might be available on the 12th or is the 10th or the 12th to the day before the day after I'd like to say we could do it the week before the week after, but we'd be kicking council out.

[54:48] We got two council members. We can't talk like that here. I'm just kidding. We couldn't we couldn't do it the week before the week after because we have standing meetings of those Wednesday. So I don't know if if your schedules would permit that, but I just I wanted to check in with you before we even talked about canceling the meeting on in November.

[55:07] So, if it can't happen, that is something that we could talk to applicants about rescheduling.

[55:15] Is staff off on that day? Veterans day? Veterans day, yeah. We are close.

[55:19] I said we don't have it. It would be my proposal, plan it for Tuesday.

[55:23] And if you don't have anything on the agenda, just wave it and go on in December.

[55:27] And just cancel it. Okay.

[55:28] Okay, so we can do that if you all think you could be available on Tuesday, November

[55:36] 10.

[55:40] It would have to be posted, but only if we had a case.

[55:44] So we would only post it publicly and the

[55:54] requirement is 24 hours, but it could be posted

[55:57] the Friday before just like any other, yeah.

[56:00] But keep in mind if we had a case,

[56:02] we would be noticing two weeks in advance.

[56:06] Or if it was a case where we had to do mineral owner interest,

[56:10] that would be 30 days in advance.

[56:12] So the notice, the furthest notice in advance

[56:16] would be whatever 30 days from November 10th would be.

[56:19] I'll kill the kid.

[56:20] Thank you.

[56:21] So yeah, I mean, schedule it for the 10th.

[56:24] And if you don't need it, don't use it.

[56:26] Okay, so that that meeting in October we might be able to tell you if we have anything pending so you guys could kind of know if something was coming down the pipe.

[56:36] Okay, so just wanted to give you guys a heads up and see if that would be okay with you.

[56:44] Okay, thank you for that. I appreciate it.

[56:47] And maybe a customer does too. We don't know but they would be appreciative if they needed it.

[56:53] Okay. Thank you. All right.

[57:04] Staff comments.

[57:06] Avery, you got anything?

[57:10] Nothing here. So disappointed in you.

[57:14] I don't have anything either. I'm like, if you guys have questions for me.

[57:22] So just a reminder that Daniel and Brandy seats are up this year. So we have those

[57:29] applications available for those two seats available until November 5th.

[57:34] So the town council will review those vote to approve the planning commission candidates

[57:40] at either the December 2nd or December 16th meetings with official appointments taking

[57:47] place on January 6th.

[57:48] We do have one application currently that can be reviewed for the open chair if we wanted

[57:56] to consider that. That's something that, you know, we would have to discuss and move forward.

[58:03] That's all I have. The application for the open chair, if we review that now, will they have

[58:08] to reapply by November 5th for the next term? No, that's an open, that's Robert's vacancy, so that

[58:14] would go to council for their, like, immediate consideration. I think that should be done. Let's do

[58:20] that next meeting. The next meeting. Okay. You put that on the agenda. And then for our

[58:27] planning commission vacancy.

[58:32] And then you said November 5th is the deadline for the other applications

[58:35] for the current seats that are up. That's correct. Okay.

[58:45] Sounds good. Any other questions for staff?

[58:52] Jen, I didn't mean to cut you off, but you were awfully quick to say nothing and then dive into it.

[58:56] I was like, nope, you're done, I do not have any questions.

[59:01] Any other members of the commission have questions?

[59:05] All right, so you know for the questions,

[59:07] I'll close the or declare the September 9th, 2026 up.

[59:14] No, fine.

[59:25] All right, Don, I'll start with you planning commission comments.

[59:28] Hold on a second, let me see what this is.

[59:38] Oh, buddy, the trouble you get, that's me too.

[59:42] Mr. Trackley,

[59:46] try to get us out of here.

[59:47] Sir Paul, now.

[59:52] Yep.

[59:54] Now go down.

[59:54] Go down.

[1:00:00] I do not know

[1:00:03] what

[1:00:09] you got, bud. I've got nothing. Mr. Shackley, any planning questions? Matt?

[1:00:18] No. My

[1:00:22] comments last question is accessory dwelling units. So, under state statute, communities like Hudson are required to allow accessory dwelling units on residential properties, certain types of properties.

[1:00:39] Currently Hudson has a restriction, a limitation on the size of the accessory dwelling unit capped at 1000 square feet of livable space.

[1:00:51] The state doesn't require that, the county doesn't require that. I understand that there's a consideration of the total, the total available space on a lot.

[1:01:03] But some communities around the area, one in particular is Fort Lepton.

[1:01:13] On larger lots allows a larger sized accessory dwelling unit, limited to no larger than the

[1:01:20] primary dwelling unit that's on that lot.

[1:01:23] And I'm proposing that Hudson might look at that and consider whether on a larger lot,

[1:01:31] We raised that limit to we could we could put a number on it 1250 square feet instead of a thousand square feet

[1:01:38] Or we could say not larger than the primary dwelling unit that's on that site

[1:01:44] But I think allowed the property owner a little bit more flexibility in a situation where you're not on a little tiny lot

[1:01:51] And so I what I did was I gave you our

[1:01:55] ADU guide which is like an item when I give you our full code so I gave you our ADU guide which shows

[1:02:01] our limitation, so do

[1:02:08] the button and point it, everything. So the floor,

[1:02:13] do you shall not exceed a thousand square feet gross floor area so that, oh, thank you, Avery.

[1:02:18] So that's our code requirement that Sean's referring to. And then I gave you Fort Loftin's

[1:02:24] requirement, but if you flip to the second page with just 4-6, so Fort Loftin allows BF, it says,

[1:02:32] for detached or 80 touch or attached to use. It says when the lot's 40,000 square feet to five acres, it says the 80 you can won't exceed 100% of the of the dwelling unit on the lot. So basically the 80 you can be the same size as the home.

[1:02:52] Sean's not proposing that but for left and does allow for much larger lots for there to be a secondary dwelling on the lot.

[1:02:58] So just to give you complimentary code requirements and jurisdiction close by for much larger lots.

[1:03:06] And they don't do it for every lot type in town just for basically an acre or larger that you can have a larger 80.

[1:03:16] So he's just kind of giving you a complimentary code 1200 square feet.

[1:03:28] in a very, it's kind of like a tiny compared to kind of when you when you live on a really

[1:03:35] large lot. So it's a proposal you guys can consider. Planning commission also can initiate

[1:03:41] code amendments. So that's why we're discussing it amongst ourselves before. Yes, sir.

[1:03:48] Yeah,

[1:03:48] yeah, yeah. Go for it. So another point to that is if you're looking at a manufactured home as an ADU

[1:03:54] and you're going to move it in on your property, if you're going to get a thousand square feet or

[1:03:59] or less what you're getting is a single wide no more than a 16-foot wide manufactured home.

[1:04:06] And if you allow a little bit larger living space you can do a double wide which can make

[1:04:15] it easier to match some of the architectural style to the existing property or home that's

[1:04:20] on that property versus a single wide just along two.

[1:04:25] And I would add that we do allow 80 use up to three bedrooms. That is an option. So it makes for a little janky. You can't, it's harder to get that thousand square feet in the three.

[1:04:36] So our, our code is a little limiting to get that extra bedroom in there with the thousand square feet.

[1:04:45] And I will say having done cottage homes before 1200 square feet is a little bit more into that cottage home standard 1000 square feet is also we've had this 1000 square feet since we've had the 80 you requirement 1200 is not it does allow for

[1:05:07] that third bedroom, if it is, if that is an allowance that we're, we're allowing in our code,

[1:05:12] it would allow for that third bedroom where that thousand square feet is going to, it's going to

[1:05:18] create a weird dimension for that third bedroom. Anyways, I'll, I'll just throw that in there, but

[1:05:25] talk amongst yourselves. I'll, I'll quit talking. Yeah. Yeah, and I was saying, you know, maybe you

[1:05:30] pick that $1250, you give them a 25% additional square footage to do that but that's not a magic number either.

[1:05:43] Don.

[1:05:44] Okay.

[1:05:44] Two things.

[1:05:45] And you're larger, a lot than Jarvan Mirio, I want to bring up here.

[1:05:49] And council has been brought up twice now about allowing more chickens and allowing goats inside the town limits on residents' properties.

[1:06:00] So let's put them out there that that might be coming to us at some point it is an election year. So

[1:06:07] Some people are throwing those out there to gather votes, but

[1:06:12] I'm for for larger properties

[1:06:14] But if my my neighbor had a bunch of goats right next to me with a small lot I have that'd be a big problem

[1:06:20] So just like you know, we might be seeing that at some point

[1:06:23] The other thing is

[1:06:25] What's the status of the new building for the fire department on this side of the tracks

[1:06:28] because we're paying a lot of taxes for us to live on this tax and sometimes we

[1:06:34] don't have servers because the trains are blocking service. I can answer that

[1:06:40] so the town entered into an MOU three years ago I think with the fire

[1:06:46] district for approximately four to five acres on this property on the south

[1:06:53] would be the Southwest corner and the fire district actually received a $1 million grant from

[1:07:03] Representative Evans office because their congressional districts are kind of split here. We have

[1:07:09] Representative Bobert on the east side of 76 and west side is Representative Evans. So the

[1:07:17] The virus recovers both areas.

[1:07:19] So they qualified for representative evidence

[1:07:21] congressional leaders directed spending.

[1:07:24] So they received $1 million.

[1:07:25] They have to use it by the end of the year next year.

[1:07:30] So the end of fiscal year in October 1 for the federal government.

[1:07:34] So they will be kind of moving full speed ahead.

[1:07:38] I think they're still trying to understand

[1:07:39] what type of presence they want to have here.

[1:07:43] Is it kind of a, do they want to try to move admin out here?

[1:07:47] just having maybe a few spots for firefighters and, you know, they're apparatus to have a presence here.

[1:07:57] So that's kind of the TBD, but they did receive money for it.

[1:08:01] Right. It's not just the fire department, but we are being taxed on ambulance service now.

[1:08:07] So that's another point I want to bring it up. It's like, there's a point we're paying for all this.

[1:08:11] But yet the majority of the town could not have service for the train reason.

[1:08:16] And we can, you know, see what kind of presence they would have for them doing some, you know, with this, this move over here with this facility too.

[1:08:28] Back on the ADU subject, I think this is definitely a longer conversation. I can think of easily like 10 to 15 questions out the top of my head.

[1:08:36] I think we should add that to the next, the next meetings agenda.

[1:08:40] Can we make it a discussion item, a full blown discussion item.

[1:08:43] Okay.

[1:08:43] Yes, ma'am. What topic is that? I didn't hear you. 80 use excessive going is any

[1:08:55] other comments commissioners

[1:08:57] Are we ever going to have a Mexican restaurant?

[1:09:06] I'm done. I'm I'm completely done with them planning. I think

[1:09:11] Public works still needs a backflow certification and the building department has

[1:09:17] one electrical final and

[1:09:20] I can't even tell you what um

[1:09:22] I can tell you what it is that they're not passing that's the same stuff over and over again that I've seen Robert in there three times.

[1:09:32] Yeah, I know.

[1:09:38] Their electrical box is not properly labeled and they don't have panic hardware on the front doors.

[1:09:45] So we won't let you in because you will never get out if they had a fire, which is a problem.

[1:09:52] And we keep explaining to them, you need panic hardware here and panic hardware is the stuff that when you have a fire and the doors, you know, it's the stuff that people need to, all the doors need the push bars,

[1:10:10] this kind of a big deal, kind of a big deal.

[1:10:15] Yeah, so that is a big that's a big deal. I we can't even give them a TCO because of that and I I've told them before it's like I'd love to let you in and put all your food in the in the cooler have your employee trainings like if you just put your panic hardware on the door, that can happen.

[1:10:36] So we talked, I talked, we talked to her today,

[1:10:43] it's all I can do to lead horses to the water. Do you know what I mean? I put put water in front of the horse.

[1:10:50] Like, make a make a whole pond for the horse in front of the horse. I could make the metaphors keep coming. Do you know what I mean? So, but yeah, so that's where we're at.

[1:11:17] people can never afford the stuff they don't want to pay for.

[1:11:30] Anybody else? Going once?

[1:11:33] Going twice. All right, I'm going to declare the September 9th, 2026 planning commission meeting closed at 713-B.

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