[0:00] June 24th, 2026 Planning Commission

[0:03] meeting.

[0:04] Call to order. Roll call, please. Rod

[0:07] Rodrick Anderson.

[0:08] » Present.

[0:08] » Candace Collins.

[0:09] » Here.

[0:10] » Tim DesJarlais. Absent. Bill Waner.

[0:13] » Here.

[0:13] » Jared Backman.

[0:14] » Present.

[0:15] » Randall Ryder.

[0:16] » Present.

[0:17] » And Tim Zeise present.

[0:19] As you can see, we have quorum.

[0:21] And And I want to be I'm going to say it

[0:23] before we start tonight. Um we did have

[0:25] quorum last time, but but but I as a

[0:28] chair, I didn't feel we had enough

[0:30] representation to make that type of

[0:31] decisions for these two topics.

[0:33] So it was my decision to cancel. I did

[0:35] go look further into it. And our thing

[0:37] says we only need the four to make a

[0:39] quorum, but also it's my decision

[0:41] whether or not we should continue the

[0:42] meeting with the four people that we

[0:43] had.

[0:44] So that's basically why we canceled that

[0:46] meeting. So we are open tonight and

[0:48] we'll start out with the open hearing

[0:50] first of all. Open hearing for the

[0:51] petition by the Wisconsin Development of

[0:53] LLC

[0:55] to rezone 856

[0:58] I'm sorry, 856 Street North, Hudson,

[1:00] Wisconsin from C commercial C3 to RM3

[1:05] high-density multi-family residential.

[1:07] So that leads up open hearing. So

[1:10] um first of all, one second.

[1:11] Anybody from the public want to come and

[1:13] speak about this, please keep your

[1:15] comments under 3 minutes. Try not to

[1:17] repeat

[1:18] any prior comments that were said.

[1:21] And

[1:23] yeah, so you're open. If anybody come up

[1:26] to the mic, announce your name, your

[1:27] address where you live, and any comments

[1:29] about the open hearing. As we know, this

[1:30] is probably our second time we come to

[1:32] this here at this level.

[1:34] Um

[1:35] so now, if you want to present first,

[1:37] you can go first.

[1:59] » Hi. good evening. My name is Sean Bohan.

[2:02] Address is E5055 Interlocking Boulevard,

[2:05] Eau Claire. Um, I'm an engineer with

[2:08] Advanced Engineering Concepts. And I am

[2:10] here on behalf of the developer

[2:12] um, to talk about the proposed rezone.

[2:16] So, this property is located at the

[2:18] southwest quadrant of Station Lane

[2:21] and Highway 35.

[2:23] Um,

[2:24] we're looking to rezone it from the

[2:25] general commercial district, which is a

[2:29] C3, to a high-density multi-family

[2:32] residential, which is a RM3.

[2:34] The site is currently vacant. Um,

[2:38] we end up having Highway 35 along the

[2:40] eastern border. There's residential

[2:41] [clears throat]

[2:42] along the western. Along the south, we

[2:45] have RM3 zoning. Um, and to the north,

[2:47] we end up having Station Lane.

[2:49] Um, there's scattered trees kind of

[2:51] throughout. There's a 50-ft easement

[2:52] that we end up having. Um, it falls

[2:55] right along the southern property. Um,

[2:57] that 50-ft easement ends up collecting

[2:58] runoff from both on-site off-site areas.

[3:01] Conveys it through the site, goes to the

[3:03] south. Um, goes through one of the

[3:05] village parks in the west, ultimately

[3:07] making its way down to the river.

[3:10] Um, we end up having

[3:13] a proposed site plan here

[3:15] substantially different than what you

[3:16] guys had seen

[3:18] six or seven months ago.

[3:20] Um, with the RM3 zoning, we're allowed

[3:23] to end up having 27 units. We brought

[3:25] before you guys, um, number of months

[3:27] ago something that was more in the 48 to

[3:29] 50.

[3:30] Um, we're not looking at that. We're

[3:31] looking at, um, the 26 units is what we

[3:34] end up showing on this.

[3:35] Um, we're looking to conform to the RM3

[3:37] zoning.

[3:39] Um, so we have a building that is,

[3:42] uh,

[3:43] about 13,000 sq ft ends up being,

[3:46] um, the overall

[3:48] size of the building with the three

[3:49] stories that's being proposed. We're up

[3:51] to about 39,000 square feet for the

[3:53] entire over the three floors.

[3:55] Um just note that we end up having

[3:57] parking.

[3:58] There's 17 garages

[4:01] um that goes around this building. So

[4:03] um we have 17 stalls. It's at grade

[4:06] parking. We don't have any underground

[4:08] parking or anything like that that's

[4:09] being proposed. The first floor will

[4:11] consist of those 17 stalls plus four

[4:14] um

[4:16] apartment units. Three of them will end

[4:17] up being ADA accessible.

[4:20] And then we end up having surface

[4:21] parking and stuff that goes around

[4:23] basically the eastern side.

[4:25] Um except along through here.

[4:28] In addition, we show some amenities. Um

[4:30] right now we're showing a a garden,

[4:32] pickleball court. We show access that

[4:34] that we will install that will go um

[4:37] from the parking lot or from the

[4:38] building and and take them out to the

[4:39] trail along uh Highway 35.

[4:43] Um but other site amenities that that we

[4:44] can end up looking at, gazebo, fire

[4:46] pits, grilling areas, just different

[4:48] things. We want to make sure that uh the

[4:50] residents have a place to go. And you

[4:51] can see there's a huge open space

[4:53] compared to what was brought before you

[4:56] a number of months ago.

[4:58] Um

[5:00] when we ended up uh

[5:03] you know, presenting this before

[5:05] there was two major concerns that we

[5:06] ended up hearing. Um one of them ended

[5:08] up being

[5:09] just the size of the building. Um people

[5:11] were concerned in when you're coming

[5:13] into the village cuz the village limits

[5:15] is just to the north of us.

[5:17] Um just the sheer size of the building.

[5:18] It was three stories. But it ended up

[5:20] being

[5:21] probably about two times the size of

[5:23] this. It was L-shaped. Um just the

[5:25] massive size of it was the one concern

[5:27] that that um the commission ended up

[5:30] having and the board ended up having.

[5:32] Um the other comment ended up being the

[5:34] impact to traffic.

[5:36] Um

[5:38] so you can see, you know, with our site

[5:39] plan we've addressed I think the

[5:42] the fact that this building is

[5:43] substantially reduced in size

[5:46] um and fall falls and conforms to your

[5:48] IM3 zoning.

[5:50] Um

[5:51] So, the traffic.

[5:53] After the meeting with you guys, we

[5:55] ended up having

[5:57] um a traffic

[5:59] initial review is what they end up

[6:01] calling it, but we had a traffic

[6:02] engineer go through and look at what the

[6:04] impacts

[6:05] of a building, what was being proposed

[6:07] before, which was the 48 to 50 units,

[6:10] what it would end up having at the

[6:11] intersection with Station Lane and 35.

[6:15] Um

[6:16] So, they went through

[6:18] They analyzed basically the number of

[6:19] trips that you would end up having

[6:21] generated from this type of development.

[6:24] And then they look at the peak hour

[6:25] trips.

[6:26] And it's important with those peak

[6:28] hours, because those are the morning

[6:29] rushes, um

[6:31] you know, kids going to school, that

[6:32] type of thing, and then also people

[6:34] coming home. And the DOT has like strict

[6:36] standards that if you end up hitting

[6:38] certain thresholds,

[6:39] you end up having to do a traffic impact

[6:41] analysis. And then in addition to that,

[6:44] you may end up having intersection

[6:45] improvements that you would end up

[6:46] having. It might be right turn lanes, it

[6:49] might be a left turn lane. It would end

[6:50] up maybe being a stop light. Obviously,

[6:53] in this situation, that's not something

[6:54] that would

[6:55] be needed.

[6:57] Um but those are different things that

[6:58] they could end up requiring.

[7:00] We don't come close to hitting any of

[7:02] those thresholds that we would even have

[7:04] to end up doing a traffic impact

[7:05] analysis, but the developers took it

[7:07] upon themselves after hearing the

[7:09] concern with the traffic and stuff to

[7:11] end up paying for at least the initial

[7:13] review.

[7:15] Um to put a couple things in

[7:16] perspective, um

[7:19] what the what the uh initial review

[7:20] ended up finding is we have 10

[7:23] trips during that peak hour

[7:25] um from this development. So, you're

[7:27] basically having about a vehicle leaving

[7:29] every 5 minutes.

[7:30] Um so, very negligible. I mean, you it's

[7:33] not something that you would end up

[7:34] seeing. You're not going to end up

[7:35] having traffic backing up.

[7:37] Um [clears throat]

[7:38] So, that was one thing that came out of

[7:39] it. The other thing that came out of it

[7:41] is just a comparison with what you'd end

[7:43] up having with Quick Trip just to the

[7:44] south.

[7:45] Um which they would end up typically

[7:48] having 150 to 200

[7:51] trips during that peak hour when the

[7:54] development that was Well, in this case,

[7:56] you'd have about seven or eight. So, you

[7:57] can end up seeing just the the enormous

[8:00] difference that you would end up having.

[8:02] Um and the last thing

[8:04] is that there's the intersection to the

[8:06] south um that ends up being I believe

[8:08] it's North End Road.

[8:11] Um there ends up being 11 fourplexes at

[8:14] North End North End Road.

[8:16] Um they end up being right close up to

[8:18] the intersection.

[8:20] Um there's actually like a a driveway

[8:22] alleyway that gives access to some of

[8:23] the women's stuff.

[8:25] And so you have 44 units right there.

[8:28] We're proposing 26.

[8:30] Of our 26 units

[8:32] um we end up having 23 of these that are

[8:33] being proposed as one-bedrooms.

[8:36] So, um and three two-bedrooms.

[8:39] So, you're going to end up having way

[8:41] less traffic. Those 44 fourplexes

[8:44] um are minimum of two bedrooms. So, you

[8:46] got basically 88 bedrooms. And the

[8:48] reason I end up comparing the bedrooms

[8:49] is the more bedrooms you have, typically

[8:51] the more people you end up having in

[8:52] there and you can end up having multiple

[8:54] cars and vehicles and stuff with that.

[8:56] So,

[8:57] that's why I bring that up. And

[8:59] you know, we had the the meeting with um

[9:02] public hearing the last time

[9:04] meeting with the planning commission,

[9:05] meeting with the board. And there wasn't

[9:07] one time that I ever heard that there

[9:09] was ever issues on North End Road.

[9:11] And we're looking at something that's

[9:13] going to be, you know, a third of the

[9:15] amount of traffic that goes onto it. So,

[9:18] just kind of letting you know that you

[9:20] know, we feel it's going to be

[9:21] negligible. It's not something that the

[9:23] DOT is going to end up requiring and

[9:25] something that the developer went ahead

[9:27] and and paid for just to be able to end

[9:29] up getting that information to be able

[9:30] to present um to both planning and to uh

[9:33] the village board. So,

[9:35] with that, I hope we have you guys'

[9:36] support tonight, and I'm open for any

[9:38] questions.

[9:41] » Any questions?

[9:42] » [clears throat]

[9:43] » What would be the height of the

[9:44] building?

[9:45] » So, I believe the max is allowed or

[9:48] allows 45 ft. We'll be less than that.

[9:51] Um but, it is going to end up being a

[9:53] three-story building with the first

[9:54] floor being a majority of parking.

[10:03] » I have a question.

[10:05] » First question.

[10:06] » Um

[10:07] » Yeah, you have to come up and announce

[10:09] and everything. You do that,

[10:10] [clears throat] but we can we can have

[10:11] you come up though after he's done.

[10:12] Yeah.

[10:14] Anybody else in the board committee?

[10:16] » [clears throat]

[10:19] » Okay.

[10:19] » All right. Thank you, sir.

[10:20] » Thank you.

[10:21] » Yep. Next next then. Anybody else? Yep,

[10:23] step.

[10:27] Amoxil friends.

[10:29] » [clears throat]

[10:35] » Okay. I'm Beth Newton, and I live at 335

[10:38] Station Lane North on the side road

[10:41] where this property is being built

[10:44] or wants [clears throat] to be built.

[10:46] Um

[10:49] I'd like to see the initial traffic

[10:51] review, all the details, because I just

[10:55] um for you saying that there's no

[10:56] impact, I just cannot wrap my head

[10:58] around that. Because the other day I

[11:01] left my house at 4:30 to turn left onto

[11:04] 35, and it took me over 2 minutes just

[11:08] to turn left now

[11:09] at 4:30 p.m.

[11:12] And if you're going to add in a 26

[11:16] 27

[11:18] the petition the

[11:20] thing that you filed with the

[11:22] uh village said 28 unit, but it's

[11:25] actually 26, [clears throat]

[11:27] correct? Um right now there's no

[11:30] jurisdiction of how many people

[11:33] well, you can have three people in a

[11:34] one-bedroom

[11:37] per North Hudson.

[11:39] Okay?

[11:41] I don't know that they're going to have

[11:42] three people in a one-bedroom, but the

[11:45] impact of cars for parking

[11:48] in your 26 unit, that could be up to 52

[11:52] plus cars. You don't have ample parking

[11:55] right now for that. Where do you propose

[11:58] that the extra cars park?

[12:01] Can I ask the question to the to the

[12:03] developers?

[12:04] » Yeah, it's open. Yeah.

[12:05] » Can you answer it now or do you want us

[12:07] to stand up going up there?

[12:08] » No, you can answer it.

[12:09] » Yeah.

[12:10] » Uh what the

[12:11] um we wish that mic would be remote, but

[12:13] yeah, go ahead.

[12:15] » We have plenty of space so we can end up

[12:16] adding parking.

[12:18] Um you can end up seeing the parking the

[12:20] development itself right now ends up

[12:22] having probably only about 30% of it.

[12:25] Um we show a certain amount of stalls.

[12:27] They're not advocating for three people

[12:29] in a one-bedroom. It's certainly not

[12:31] going to be three people that end up

[12:32] having a driver's license and three

[12:33] vehicles.

[12:34] Um

[12:35] » But it could be two. It could be 52,

[12:37] realistically.

[12:38] » We end up having more than enough space

[12:40] to be able to end up having parking. If

[12:41] that ends up being a concern from the

[12:43] village and stuff when we end up going

[12:45] through our conditional use permit,

[12:46] which we would be end up doing,

[12:48] we'd certainly address that at that

[12:49] time.

[12:50] » Where is visitor parking?

[12:52] I'm assuming these people have friends.

[12:56] » We end up having two to one ratio

[12:59] is what the requirement ends up being

[13:02] for the village.

[13:03] » What does that mean?

[13:04] » That means if you have 26 units, 52

[13:06] stalls is what it ends up being.

[13:08] » You don't have 52 stalls, though.

[13:11] That's for people I'm just saying like

[13:12] when people have guests over, where do

[13:14] you intend the guests to park?

[13:16] » Have two vehicles.

[13:18] And not everybody's going to be there at

[13:19] the same time.

[13:20] And stuff. So, you're not going to have

[13:21] a sign other than the garage stalls,

[13:24] you're not going to have a sign parking.

[13:26] » Okay.

[13:28] » [clears throat]

[13:28] » Um can you tell me how many three uh

[13:31] story buildings are in North Hudson now?

[13:35] » Um

[13:37] Mel apartments.

[13:39] » No, it's zero. No.

[13:41] » There's not

[13:43] They're told there's all kinds of them

[13:44] out there.

[13:45] » There are not.

[13:47] » She owns three of them.

[13:49] Mel apartments.

[13:51] » Not a three story building.

[13:53] » Three story building.

[13:55] Above ground level. Not like basement

[13:57] and then two levels.

[13:59] Cuz that's what most two story homes

[14:01] have have a basement. I'm talking three

[14:03] stories.

[14:04] Boom, boom, boom. Like a hotel.

[14:06] » Absolutely. Like Mel apartments.

[14:09] We also have an Willow River apartments.

[14:13] » And as long as it eat meet the ordinance

[14:15] » They're two story.

[14:17] » My mother lived there.

[14:19] » Oh, what wait what

[14:20] » [laughter]

[14:21] » One second. We're getting out of

[14:22] control. We're going to keep this under

[14:22] control. First of all, if as long as

[14:25] they meet the ordinance or the the code,

[14:26] the ordinance, 45, you know, if if they

[14:28] meet that

[14:30] two story, three story, it you know

[14:32] » Let's talk lighting.

[14:34] So, the parking lot has to be lit.

[14:37] Where is the lighting

[14:39] proposed on this? Is there on building

[14:42] [clears throat] lighting and is there

[14:43] parking lot lighting?

[14:44] » So, I think

[14:46] We're we're talking about zoning

[14:48] » So, right Yeah, we're not talking about

[14:49] that. Right now, we're talking

[14:50] » I know, but this is terrifying to

[14:52] somebody who lives across the street.

[14:53] » Come up.

[14:54] » Okay.

[14:54] » In the vision of the city, whatever

[14:56] happens at this meeting is going to

[14:57] » Start

[14:58] » Then we'll find out what type of trees,

[15:00] how many trees, what type of lighting.

[15:02] This will come up. Right now, we're just

[15:04] going on zoning.

[15:05] » Once that you rezone it

[15:08] then you then you say let's go.

[15:11] We've been through this before

[15:14] where we said, "Oh, yeah, this is good.

[15:16] We'll talk about it later. We'll talk

[15:18] about it later." And it ends up not

[15:20] being good stuff.

[15:23] Why do we continue to permit

[15:26] when we don't get the information first?

[15:28] That doesn't make sense.

[15:30] » All the information that was been

[15:32] submitted for this change to RM3 has

[15:34] been put up there in the website by the

[15:36] you know, the group.

[15:37] » Okay.

[15:37] » And anything [clears throat] that's

[15:39] additional that's going to be going

[15:40] through a normal conditional use permit

[15:42] that has to be approved, which can be

[15:44] denied.

[15:45] Um in fairness of any developer that

[15:47] wants to change anything, obviously they

[15:50] have to go through this practice first.

[15:52] You cannot, you know, the investment is

[15:54] basically changing it to a different

[15:55] zoning.

[15:56] » Mhm.

[15:57] » And if you're not going to get that

[15:58] approved, then you're not going to

[15:59] invest anything and already invested,

[16:01] you know, the activity in creating those

[16:03] things for us and

[16:05] the drawings and the detailed plans with

[16:06] they have. But again, there's steps and

[16:09] processes in place.

[16:10] What you're doing in front of the plan

[16:12] commission is us to make the best

[16:13] interest of the community and best

[16:14] interest of the developer who's coming

[16:16] to board and basically what we're

[16:17] approving is what making sure he he

[16:19] beats the ordinances that he's he's

[16:20] going after. And you think you want to

[16:22] comment?

[16:23] » No, I mean this is about rezoning.

[16:26] » Yep.

[16:26] » And I think that we need to have people

[16:28] come

[16:29] to the podium and express their views

[16:32] and public hearing is not a public

[16:34] debate.

[16:34] » Right.

[16:35] » Okay.

[16:36] Understood. Um I want you to consider

[16:39] noise pollution when you take those

[16:41] because right now when I sit outside in

[16:44] the morning,

[16:45] I can hear the semis now and there's a

[16:47] lot of trees

[16:49] going on 35 and that's going to impact

[16:53] um

[16:55] » [clears throat]

[16:56] » The properties where I live and all of

[16:59] those around us. Um car traffic, parking

[17:03] on

[17:04] the street. Right now, that road

[17:08] uh Station Lane when you turn into it,

[17:11] if you've ever driven and had two cars

[17:14] coming like this

[17:16] and you're walking a dog, guess where

[17:18] you go with your dog?

[17:19] You go into the ditch because there's

[17:21] not room for you to walk.

[17:24] Yeah.

[17:25] What's funny?

[17:28] » [snorts]

[17:28] » Sir?

[17:29] » [laughter]

[17:31] » No, the fellow in the gray hat's

[17:33] laughing.

[17:34] Okay.

[17:35] Okay. Um

[17:37] Yeah. And then I'm I'm worried about um

[17:41] uh emergency vehicles, just making sure

[17:43] there's enough turn

[17:45] radius turn for fire trucks around the

[17:48] building. Obviously,

[17:51] we need to do that. Um pickle ball, we

[17:54] have a

[17:55] cute idea. We have a park with two

[17:58] pickleball courts that are well, two

[18:00] parks now with pickleball courts in

[18:02] North Hudson that are wildly popular,

[18:04] but if anybody knows who lives next to

[18:07] them,

[18:08] they're really loud.

[18:10] They really are, so um and I'm a

[18:12] pickleball player, so I can't same

[18:15] thing. Okay, those are my concerns right

[18:17] now.

[18:18] I think I got them all, but yeah.

[18:22] What? Okay, so thank you.

[18:24] Sorry.

[18:26] I'd rather be coaching lacrosse.

[18:29] » Uh I'm Adam Gunther. I'm at 273 Station

[18:31] Circle, so just down the road. Uh just a

[18:33] few points to add, I think, which is

[18:35] important. We have a dog we walk. We

[18:36] moved here from Woodbury, so we we left

[18:38] the, you know, concrete jungle of

[18:40] Woodbury to try to be in a more scenic

[18:43] neighborhood. Commenting on the cars in

[18:45] the roads, you I encourage all of you to

[18:47] drive this road tonight because you will

[18:49] notice that the road exists and then all

[18:51] of us property owners who try to get

[18:52] grass to grow, which I fight like hell

[18:54] every year to get growing, I have about

[18:57] a 3-ft gravel patch in front of our road

[19:00] all the way down and around our

[19:01] neighborhood because you cannot get two

[19:03] garbage trucks to fit side by side on

[19:05] our street. So,

[19:06] not only are we wooded and we a lot of

[19:08] our property owners, we are one that

[19:10] hate buckthorn, so we have none, but

[19:12] most our neighborhood does have

[19:13] buckthorn to protect in privacy. When

[19:15] you're walking your dog at night turning

[19:17] the corner around this street, you are

[19:18] lucky to not get killed. We've already

[19:20] had a car crash into a tree because they

[19:23] were driving too quickly and erratically

[19:25] around that bend and wrecked a classic

[19:27] car in our neighborhood on a 25 mph road

[19:30] because of a blind spot turn. So, I just

[19:33] encourage you guys to traffic parts. I

[19:35] have an urban planning background. I

[19:36] eminent domain airports. We compensate

[19:39] buildings and things time for airports

[19:40] and airspace analysis. So,

[19:42] I'm all very familiar with rezoning, and

[19:44] I just encourage you to be very mindful

[19:46] when you rezone something as what we've

[19:48] said. You can't undo it easily. Um, and

[19:51] this is a really big impact to most

[19:53] people in North Hudson who live behind

[19:56] this development. So, just putting that

[19:58] out there.

[19:59] » Thank you, Adam.

[20:01] Anybody else? Public comments?

[20:15] » My name is Barb Coffee. I live at 560

[20:18] Summers Landing Road North.

[20:20] Um, our property butts exactly behind

[20:23] that um

[20:25] piece of property.

[20:26] I'm I'm not going to say anything about

[20:28] the three-story building, but that's

[20:29] ridiculous in in that spot. Um,

[20:33] I'm wondering how far the building is

[20:35] from the back the west lot line.

[20:39] How far is the building from that the

[20:41] lot the west line?

[20:43] » Um, again, [clears throat] it's just

[20:44] placed on there.

[20:46] Um,

[20:47] there's setbacks. I think there's 30 ft.

[20:49] You have the drive aisle, it might be 50

[20:52] 60 ft maybe.

[20:54] » And where is the driveway coming out?

[20:59] » North side, I believe. Or

[21:02] Yep.

[21:02] Keep going up to the top, that gray

[21:04] part. Nope. Nope, that's 30 Keep going

[21:07] up.

[21:08] » The driveway?

[21:09] » So this

[21:10] » Underneath Station Lane. Right there,

[21:12] right there, yeah.

[21:13] » So does that go directly like into that

[21:15] those people's houses

[21:17] for one thing?

[21:19] » Correct.

[21:19] » The headlights, yes. Yeah, so the

[21:21] headlights are going to go right into

[21:23] those people's lots.

[21:25] Um there was also talk about oh, we're

[21:27] going to keep this existing tree line.

[21:30] The only existing tree line is in my

[21:32] backyard. There are no other trees

[21:34] there. Once those trees in the winter

[21:36] are gone, there's nothing there to block

[21:38] that

[21:40] building from my house.

[21:42] There are There are no trees back there

[21:43] except what we have in our backyard.

[21:46] So there's going to be something

[21:49] You know, if you want to do this, put up

[21:51] a 20-ft wall. I'd rather see a wall

[21:53] along that

[21:55] that ledge than a three-story building.

[21:58] Not quite sure.

[22:01] I don't understand why we are keep

[22:03] trying to

[22:05] put something really big in that really

[22:08] small piece of property

[22:10] and why we have to keep rezoning it

[22:12] bigger and bigger.

[22:14] Why can't we rezone it back to

[22:15] residential and put some houses there?

[22:19] I I I don't I don't understand why we

[22:21] have to keep having something so

[22:22] gigantic pushed into this small piece of

[22:25] property.

[22:26] And you say you put a lot of money into

[22:28] this. I have a lot of money into my

[22:30] house. So I'm guessing my property value

[22:33] is not going to go up. If you look at

[22:35] the places on North End and nothing

[22:38] against them, the houses along there are

[22:41] not

[22:43] well-kept

[22:45] and it's because they're in that

[22:47] property area.

[22:51] I get I agree with the pickleball court,

[22:53] that's

[22:55] um

[22:57] I agree with the lighting. I I think

[22:59] there's a lot of things that we're

[23:00] talking about that we talked about with

[23:02] this grocery store in 2008

[23:05] that didn't make any sense then and they

[23:07] don't make any sense now.

[23:09] » Thank you, Barb. Thank you.

[23:11] » [clears throat]

[23:12] » Anybody else? Public comments?

[23:18] » [clears throat]

[23:21] » Good evening. Thank you for the

[23:22] opportunity to speak. I'm Timothy

[23:24] Higgins. I live at 355

[23:26] Station Lane, which is a directly across

[23:30] um

[23:31] from the property that's being

[23:32] discussed. And being living there 32

[23:35] years, um the the traffic alone on

[23:38] Station Lane because it

[23:40] services more than just St. Croix

[23:43] Station, but the other neighborhood to

[23:45] the south and west. Um there's going to

[23:48] be a significant impact to traffic

[23:50] there. And one of my general concerns is

[23:53] if everybody remembers the April 1st

[23:55] snowstorm where we had

[23:57] 14 in of heavy wet snow overnight. I'm

[24:01] wondering what would happen if this

[24:02] building caught fire and the fire

[24:04] department had no access to Station

[24:06] Lane. They certainly couldn't access the

[24:08] building from Highway 35 because there's

[24:11] no direct access there.

[24:13] So, you're putting a lot of people's

[24:15] lives potentially at risk.

[24:17] Uh I'm questioning whether an insurance

[24:19] company would even um

[24:22] fund your project or support your

[24:23] project because of that fact alone. Um

[24:27] and it I just think it's a dangerous

[24:29] situation.

[24:31] Uh it's overcrowded. It's too noisy.

[24:33] Everything that's already been said

[24:35] before, but that's my spot.

[24:37] » Thank you, Timothy.

[24:39] » [cough and clears throat]

[24:41] » Anybody else?

[24:44] Anybody else?

[24:46] » [cough and clears throat]

[24:48] » One more time, anybody else for open

[24:50] public hearing?

[24:52] With that said, I'll close the public

[24:54] hearing

[24:57] and move into

[25:00] any emotions made by a board member.

[25:03] So, we can discuss this.

[25:07] » I I move approval

[25:09] of the rezoning.

[25:12] » Very good. There is in your packet if

[25:13] you want to read it, uh but uh but I we

[25:15] can move ahead. Uh is there a second?

[25:18] » Second.

[25:18] » Okay, we have a second. Let's open

[25:20] discussion.

[25:21] Um board, yeah, any discussions as far

[25:24] as the motion that's on the table?

[25:27] » I think I would just add to the

[25:28] neighborhood that the zoning right now

[25:30] for the commercial, you know, could

[25:32] bring a lot more traffic than what this

[25:34] downsized multi-family plan is in place

[25:37] from grocery that got proposed at one

[25:40] time, a strip center, hardware stores,

[25:42] automotive shop, gas station, you know,

[25:45] so there could be a higher impact. I'm

[25:48] appreciative that the developer came

[25:50] back with a downsized version of the

[25:52] plan.

[25:53] Um

[25:55] but the commercial could be a harder use

[25:58] in the neighborhood than the size of

[25:59] this residential project.

[26:02] » [clears throat]

[26:05] » Anybody else?

[26:06] » I just like to say

[26:08] we do hear you.

[26:09] Um

[26:11] if anybody's ever seen me in these

[26:12] meetings before,

[26:15] I'm big on to the next step. How many

[26:17] trees?

[26:19] How many trees will stay there?

[26:21] Trees' life when it gets transplanted 2

[26:24] or 3 years. Yes, they may say that

[26:26] they're going to plant 50.

[26:30] I'm the stickler that says still has to

[26:32] be 50 in 2 year 10 years.

[26:35] I like going for that. I understand the

[26:38] lighting.

[26:39] Um that there is timed lighting, low

[26:42] lighting, down face lighting. I hear

[26:45] your concerns. This is why we're here.

[26:47] We do listen to you

[26:49] and we do agree that

[26:52] we live here, we understand that you

[26:54] live here.

[26:56] This is going to happen at some rate or

[26:58] whatnot.

[26:59] Um

[27:00] I hear your concerns, we all do, and we

[27:02] know that we want to keep this

[27:04] » [clears throat]

[27:05] » Um

[27:06] still our neighborhood, still our area.

[27:09] This is going to grow. I know I think

[27:12] moving it from commercial to residential

[27:15] I'd like to see medium density in RM2.

[27:18] Um

[27:19] that way we're hearing what you say.

[27:23] RM2 is still going to be possible 45 ft.

[27:27] But if we go

[27:29] down

[27:31] it is going to be a lower density.

[27:34] That way they'll still have the same

[27:36] parking area.

[27:39] It's going to cut it down.

[27:41] If I had to go someplace, I'd like to

[27:43] see medium density and not high density.

[27:47] I'd like to see that we're working

[27:50] with the developer, but also listening

[27:52] to you.

[27:53] This is going to happen.

[27:55] It's not going to be commercial, it's

[27:56] going to be residential,

[27:58] and I'd like to see where we could go

[27:59] from there.

[28:01] That's my word on it.

[28:05] » I'm I guess I'm concerned with the

[28:08] three-story

[28:09] and the impact that'll have

[28:11] » [clears throat]

[28:11] » On the neighborhood and just the sight

[28:12] lines that people have.

[28:14] I

[28:15] personally tend to listen to the

[28:17] stakeholders, which have spoken,

[28:19] and I'm sympathetic to their points of

[28:21] view.

[28:22] Um I am very, very concerned about

[28:25] traffic patterns,

[28:27] what that means if in fact we have

[28:29] difficulty, if the lanes are narrow,

[28:32] um what that's going to mean to fire

[28:34] trucks,

[28:35] and just day-to-day traffic.

[28:37] Um

[28:39] people live here for a reason, and

[28:41] people have stated that.

[28:43] Um and I I am sympathetic to that. So,

[28:47] I'm not in favor.

[28:50] » Good.

[28:50] I guess one thing I did not get to put

[28:52] in, I wish there was stoplights there. I

[28:55] wish there was a crossing path there. I

[28:57] wish St. Croix County would do

[28:58] something. I'd love to see the traffic

[29:00] slow down coming into town. I'd love to

[29:04] see it portioned out where the people

[29:06] leaving Station Lane get a chance to

[29:08] leave. I'd like to see everybody. I wish

[29:10] there was a crosswalk. I wish there was

[29:11] stoplights.

[29:12] I also wish that for that. I just wish

[29:14] it would be safer to slow people coming

[29:16] down into town.

[29:18] And I mean, I'd like to see that myself,

[29:20] too.

[29:21] But, that's a St. Croix County thing,

[29:23] so.

[29:23] » Actually, there is a crosswalk.

[29:25] » There is. But, if there was stoplights

[29:27] there,

[29:28] it would help

[29:29] » Yeah.

[29:30] » Slow it down.

[29:30] » 50 cars pulling into a crosswalk,

[29:32] though, you're going to risk inherently

[29:34] 50 times more people getting hit in a

[29:35] crosswalk where you're concerned about

[29:37] safety. I'm just putting that

[29:38] perspective

[29:39] out there as well.

[29:41] » I

[29:42] So, I'm I'm for this. I was for it the

[29:44] first time, but I understand it was

[29:47] too large and way out of scope. So, I do

[29:50] appreciate your work on

[29:52] bringing it down. And obviously, those

[29:55] other things come later, like you said.

[29:57] And Tim, you have you have stated.

[30:00] I

[30:01] um I

[30:03] I understand the

[30:05] the

[30:06] thoughts and fears and all of those

[30:09] things and the frustrations of the

[30:11] people who live around that area. But,

[30:14] there is a vacant lot there.

[30:17] It's going to be developed, whether it's

[30:20] commercial or

[30:22] um

[30:23] you know, rezoned.

[30:25] And

[30:27] I think something needs to be done with

[30:28] the lot. I like this for the lot over

[30:31] commercial, because I agree that

[30:33] commercial is going to add more traffic,

[30:35] more like the QuickTrip is a bit

[30:39] uh you know, right now with cars coming

[30:40] in and out. I think a lot of these

[30:42] things are

[30:44] NIMBY tropes and I I agree and disagree

[30:48] with with some of the residents. So, I

[30:52] I'm for it.

[30:55] » Any other comments other than any other

[30:57] additional?

[31:00] » I took a little bit on the financial

[31:01] side, so I looked into some of the tax

[31:03] base and what this would bring cuz I

[31:05] think it's important what's going to

[31:06] help our levy.

[31:07] Um

[31:08] the strip mall on Summer Street that

[31:10] brings in like $9,000 a year for taxes.

[31:13] The QuickTrip brings in $28,000 a year.

[31:17] One of our Malibu apartments I think

[31:19] brings close to

[31:20] $60,000 a year for taxes.

[31:23] So, you can just kind of see the

[31:24] different levels of taxes. If it goes

[31:26] commercial, potentially we could get

[31:27] something like if it's on Summer Street

[31:28] where it's only $9,000 a year for tax

[31:30] base.

[31:32] And

[31:33] believe me, [clears throat] um our taxes

[31:34] are of course, you know, are high, but

[31:36] it's we're still one of the lowest tax

[31:37] base in in the state of Wisconsin, the

[31:39] Village of North Hudson is.

[31:41] » [clears throat]

[31:42] » This is it this is probably the only

[31:44] opportunity to keep that tax base at a

[31:46] at a you know, to help with that overall

[31:48] levy side of it.

[31:50] And

[31:51] if a residential home would be in there,

[31:53] they're a lot less tax base and it would

[31:55] be something like an RM3 or RM2 base

[31:58] that that you probably proposed.

[32:00] So, I that's [clears throat] the angle

[32:01] I'm looking at.

[32:04] Any other additional comments by the

[32:05] board?

[32:07] » [clears throat]

[32:10] » Uh we have a motion on the on the on the

[32:12] table.

[32:14] If there's no other additional comments,

[32:15] I guess we'll vote. Roderick Anderson.

[32:19] » I approve.

[32:20] » Candace.

[32:21] » Yes.

[32:23] » Uh Tim's absent. Bill.

[32:25] » Yes.

[32:27] » Jared.

[32:29] » I'm going to say no to the RM3.

[32:30] » Okay. And Randall.

[32:32] » No.

[32:33] » And Tim's eyes yes, so it passes for the

[32:37] rezoning to RM3. The next step, of

[32:39] course, it goes to the village board

[32:42] where they'll they'll go through the

[32:43] same scenario that we're doing here

[32:44] right now, and that has to be approved

[32:46] at that level.

[32:47] I thank you guys all for coming. I thank

[32:49] you develop for coming. I thank for the

[32:50] community coming.

[32:52] This is what it's

[32:53] we want [clears throat] to see at these

[32:54] type of meetings.

[32:55] » So, just to be clear, there won't be

[32:56] another public hearing?

[32:58] » There will not be another public

[32:59] hearing, no. Yeah. But, you have

[33:01] opportunity to speak because it's going

[33:03] to be on the agenda.

[33:05] » Mhm.

[33:05] » Right?

[33:06] » Yeah, and and if

[33:07] » So, we're not having a public hearing

[33:09] about this stuff that you said we were

[33:10] going to get to discuss about moving

[33:12] forward? So, we just approved rezoning?

[33:14] » Yeah, we did we just approved the

[33:15] rezoning of it. There's still he has to

[33:17] they still have to go through the

[33:17] conditional use permit and all that

[33:19] stuff.

[33:19] » But, there's no public hearing to

[33:20] discuss that?

[33:21] » [clears throat]

[33:22] » Well, this is the public hearing

[33:24] for the rezoning.

[33:25] » Yeah.

[33:26] » Right.

[33:27] » So, there's

[33:28] there's more steps after before they can

[33:30] actually break ground.

[33:32] And in those

[33:34] instances, there'll be other

[33:35] opportunities for public input.

[33:38] » Yeah.

[33:38] » But, I didn't want it to be

[33:40] misunderstood that the village board is

[33:43] not going to hold another public hearing

[33:45] on the rezoning

[33:47] » Right.

[33:47] » At the board level. This is this was

[33:50] the public hearing for the rezone.

[33:54] » The board has to approve the vote.

[33:57] » This is a recommendation

[33:58] » We're just recommending.

[33:59] » Yeah.

[34:00] » And then the village board

[34:02] » The village board can approve or deny.

[34:05] » Yep.

[34:05] » Or

[34:06] Yeah, this is a recommending body only.

[34:09] » Yeah, this is just a recommending

[34:10] » This keeps it from being commercial.

[34:14] Thank you.

[34:15] » Yes.

[34:16] » [clears throat]

[34:16] » Uh little administrative stuff here. Um

[34:18] and I apologize for missing this. I'll

[34:19] let you review and approve the minutes

[34:20] from the planning commission meeting of

[34:21] March 18th, 2026 and May 20th, 2026.

[34:26] I'll take a motion.

[34:28] » I move to approve the minutes.

[34:29] » Second.

[34:30] » Second.

[34:32] » Second. Great.

[34:34] Any comments, corrections, or changes?

[34:38] All right. With that said, all in favor

[34:39] say I.

[34:40] » I.

[34:41] » I.

[34:44] » All right. Now we open up the public

[34:45] hearing for proposed

[34:48] um

[34:49] to add a parking area on Park Avenue

[34:51] North and Third Street North,

[34:54] the Browns Beach parking lot.

[34:56] With that said, um we open up the public

[34:58] hearing. Anyone can come up and speak

[35:00] and talk in front of the mic. Address

[35:02] and name.

[35:04] And we'll go from there.

[35:07] » All right. Good evening. Wendy Fritz. I

[35:09] live at 613 Galahad Road. And I'll I'll

[35:14] make it brief. I think the biggest

[35:16] things I wanted to talk about, this has

[35:18] been a ongoing topic for months.

[35:21] Actually, the first time we ever talked

[35:22] about the vacated or non-vacated road

[35:25] was 2 years ago in July.

[35:28] Um I still have big concerns about the

[35:31] transparency and the communication and

[35:33] the follow-up.

[35:34] And frankly, how we even got here to the

[35:37] need. So it appears that Matt Howell

[35:39] proposed this. Funding got approved.

[35:43] When we asked for

[35:45] proof of the need for this, because

[35:47] that's what was expressed, we need to

[35:49] build this,

[35:50] um we got two letters or two notes of

[35:53] people that were calling in and one

[35:55] wasn't even regarding um complaining

[35:57] about parking availability.

[35:59] So it for me, it's still puzzling um

[36:03] that we're here. There was a $45,000

[36:05] budget approved. And they did not do an

[36:09] RFP.

[36:11] They awarded it to one person, which

[36:13] legally, if it's over $25,000, you need

[36:15] to do that. So I think that's how it

[36:18] then got to the plan commission, because

[36:19] not all the processes were followed.

[36:22] Um we on October 15th meeting spent a

[36:26] lot of time talking about legally can

[36:28] this happen? We'll let our attorney talk

[36:30] about the legalities and for once and

[36:32] for all, is it a road? If we agree it's

[36:35] a vacated road, can you make it into a

[36:38] parking lot? There's some legal

[36:39] questions about that.

[36:41] Um we did have a follow-on meeting with

[36:43] Paul, the village attorney as well as

[36:46] Nolan and my husband Pete, and we have

[36:49] not still not gotten any feedback or

[36:51] follow-up. We proposed a couple of

[36:53] options. One, we wanted those legal

[36:55] questions answered. Two, we said,

[36:59] if you are you know, we need answers,

[37:01] but what about striping the spots that

[37:04] are there? There's plenty of room. We

[37:06] live there. We see the traffic all the

[37:08] time. There's not very many people

[37:10] there.

[37:11] Striping the spots would cost probably a

[37:14] couple hundred dollars instead of

[37:15] $45,000.

[37:17] Meanwhile, they cleared part of it, cut

[37:20] down the trees, Jared, and then graded

[37:23] it, which goes right into our yard. So,

[37:27] it's not done, but it's now I think half

[37:29] spent and not really a good solution.

[37:32] It's proposed that they're going to be

[37:34] snow put in there. Again, we have an

[37:36] issue with snow melt that close to the

[37:38] river.

[37:40] Um [clears throat]

[37:41] so, I I I am still puzzled why we can't

[37:44] get communication and follow-up and we

[37:46] hope that we get some clarity here on

[37:48] is it legal?

[37:50] What's the need and should we spend the

[37:53] taxpayers money that way? Thank you.

[37:55] » Thank you, Wendy. Good stuff. Good

[37:56] information.

[37:59] Anyone else? Yeah, thank you.

[38:04] » Uh Pete Garman, 613 Galahad Road, North

[38:07] Hudson here.

[38:08] Um I like to reiterate um what Wendy

[38:11] said is how did we get here?

[38:14] Um what was the need? Was there a study?

[38:16] Um I talked to Russ last time last

[38:19] meeting and

[38:20] he didn't think there was no study done.

[38:21] He didn't know how it got here.

[38:23] Um I

[38:25] in that October meeting I put together a

[38:27] plan

[38:28] showing that there's room for ambulance

[38:31] here. So, I measured the road.

[38:33] Um there's room for eight spots.

[38:36] They're all very large ones, too, um on

[38:39] that existing road.

[38:41] Eight spots pretty much accommodates

[38:43] that beach down there. That beach is

[38:45] only 50 ft wide.

[38:47] I mean, it's small.

[38:49] And why we want to build a huge parking

[38:50] lot

[38:51] and to for nothing?

[38:54] That parking lot will never be used.

[38:56] It's not used now.

[38:58] It'll never be used.

[39:00] Um you can use that money right across

[39:03] the street and pave that parking lot

[39:04] over there. Sure would be nice to have

[39:05] that one paved.

[39:07] We got a gravel parking lot over there.

[39:09] It's a lot better use of the money.

[39:11] Um number two is is

[39:14] have we figured out does the village

[39:16] have the authority

[39:17] um to take our use of that road away?

[39:23] And our neighbors' use.

[39:26] And that's a road, then I should be able

[39:28] to use it. You put a parking lot there,

[39:30] I cannot use it.

[39:31] You took away my rights.

[39:34] And then and I don't believe that's

[39:36] um legal. Um

[39:39] Next question is how much is this going

[39:41] to cost? I want to know what we spent

[39:43] beforehand

[39:45] and how much it's going to cost to fill

[39:46] that thing up with the at least another

[39:47] foot of gravel

[39:48] to make it drain towards the parking lot

[39:50] or towards the street

[39:52] and not onto our property. Right now,

[39:53] it's been draining onto our property for

[39:55] 9 months.

[39:56] And nobody fixes it. If I did this,

[39:59] the village would be all over my

[40:00] backside making me

[40:02] fix this thing. And there just sits. Got

[40:04] last year's leaves still laying in the

[40:06] middle of it. Nothing's ever gets

[40:07] maintained on there. I mow the grass in

[40:10] the beach because I hate looking at it.

[40:12] Um [snorts]

[40:14] so,

[40:14] that's another thing I we to talk about,

[40:16] but the biggest thing is

[40:18] it's much is this going to cost the

[40:19] taxpayers?

[40:21] Now, that we have to rectify it. And

[40:22] what about um

[40:24] the drainage to the river? Has the DNR

[40:25] been instructed in

[40:27] can this be can you drain that parking

[40:28] lot to the river?

[40:30] That's another question I have.

[40:34] Um

[40:36] and then the [snorts] um proposed

[40:37] handicap spot.

[40:39] That's kind of a far away spot for a

[40:41] person to have a handicap. I proposed it

[40:43] to be up front.

[40:45] Um it's paint you know, paint stripes

[40:47] there.

[40:48] Paint an H or put a sign there handicap

[40:50] spot.

[40:51] It'll work. Um

[40:55] Back on October 15th, we had about 20

[40:57] neighbors down here

[40:58] uh to you know, in support of this um

[41:01] not building this parking lot.

[41:03] And they can't keep coming to these

[41:04] meetings.

[41:06] Um [snorts]

[41:06] these meetings go on forever.

[41:08] I mean, this is goes on forever.

[41:10] We still haven't had any

[41:12] um

[41:14] Who owns that road?

[41:17] Again, if it gets vacated, it goes back

[41:20] to the citizens, not the not the

[41:21] village. So, how can the village claim

[41:23] that they own it

[41:25] if they're they have no title to it? And

[41:27] if it got vacated, it goes back to the

[41:29] Jason landowners.

[41:30] If the village owned it

[41:32] and it got vacated, it'd go to the

[41:33] village. So, I don't believe the village

[41:35] owns that road. Until I see a deed, I'm

[41:37] going to say no.

[41:38] Um

[41:43] I guess that's about it. That's all I

[41:44] got.

[41:45] » I just want to clarify you and Wendy are

[41:46] suggesting um putting parking uh stripes

[41:49] whatever on Third Avenue on the road.

[41:51] » Yes.

[41:53] Yeah. [snorts]

[41:53] » Okay. So, I want to clarify that. Yeah.

[41:55] » That way it's organized. You need

[41:56] organized parking.

[41:58] If you don't have organized parking, you

[41:59] only can get five cars there. Simple

[42:01] paint

[42:02] designated spots.

[42:03] » Yeah.

[42:04] » It's a solution to everything.

[42:05] Right, Kevin. Striping's good.

[42:08] » Yeah, I

[42:09] I know there's been some concerns with

[42:12] some of [snorts] the people that have

[42:13] parked on the

[42:14] road that they blocked some of his

[42:16] driveways

[42:17] where this little weenie then

[42:19] » Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to have you

[42:20] come up and talk a little bit about what

[42:21] you found in C record, but that's good

[42:23] stuff, Pete. No, I appreciate that. I

[42:25] mean I mean I I I agree with you

[42:26] totally. We've

[42:28] been through

[42:30] parks committee, it's been through

[42:32] public works, it's been through public

[42:33] safety, we've been here twice, maybe

[42:35] three times I think here. So, it's yeah,

[42:37] we've had a lot of

[42:38] We've wasted a lot of our time on this.

[42:40] So, I think

[42:40] » I just think there's better ways to

[42:42] spend the village's taxpayers money than

[42:43] a useless park in that will only be used

[42:45] for collecting snow.

[42:47] » Yeah.

[42:47] » And that's what this whole thing was

[42:48] predicated around. So, he had a place to

[42:50] put his snow.

[42:52] Thank you.

[42:52] » Thank you, Pete.

[43:00] » Attorney Nolan Frantey, I represent Pete

[43:02] Gartman and Wendy Fritz. I'm not going

[43:04] to reiterate the all of the concerns

[43:06] that they raised. I think clearly there

[43:08] are some practical concerns.

[43:10] One, with the way this was handled, just

[43:12] from a communication perspective and a

[43:14] transparency perspective, and two, we're

[43:16] disregarding whether there's a need for

[43:18] this and if there is a need for

[43:20] additional parking if this is the right

[43:21] solution. We don't feel like it is the

[43:23] right solution, we proposed an

[43:24] alternative.

[43:25] Really didn't get any feedback, which

[43:28] would have been nice to have on whether

[43:29] that maybe was or wasn't um acceptable

[43:33] to the village. Instead, we got a new

[43:34] proposal, which puts parking spaces

[43:37] where they would block access to their

[43:40] property if it was put in as a parking

[43:42] lot. Now, legally, um I'd submitted

[43:44] before, I think the village kind of has

[43:47] a Catch-22 problem here, where they're

[43:49] relying on a 1910 plat to say that this

[43:52] is a public roadway.

[43:54] Now, I think it's certainly possible,

[43:57] based on the historical record, that

[43:58] this roadway was basically abandoned and

[44:02] in that case it would need to be

[44:04] uh vacated and it would go to the

[44:05] adjoining landowners, not to the

[44:07] village. Um but let's accept for just

[44:09] for the purposes of argument that it is

[44:10] a public roadway, well then the question

[44:12] is what can you do with it? Um

[44:14] under the same statute that I believe

[44:16] the village is relying on to say that

[44:17] this is a public roadway, section 239,

[44:19] sorry, section 236.29

[44:22] in the platting chapter of Wisconsin

[44:24] statutes, it says that areas that are

[44:26] dedicated

[44:28] to the public

[44:30] for streets, alleys, ways, commons, or

[44:31] other public uses as designated on said

[44:34] plat shall be held by the town, city, or

[44:36] village in which such plat is situated

[44:38] in trust to and for such uses and

[44:40] purposes. Well, that would raise the

[44:42] question, can we now build a parking lot

[44:44] here if it's being held by the village

[44:46] for a roadway? I don't think so. You

[44:48] could probably have maybe some parking

[44:50] along a roadway, but you cannot block

[44:53] the uh public access to these parcels,

[44:55] which is what I think this would

[44:56] essentially do. So, I think that if the

[44:58] village even wants to go through with

[45:00] this, even assuming that they have title

[45:02] to it, I think they would have to do a

[45:04] procedure probably under section 236.43

[45:07] and amend that plat to allow this to be

[45:10] a parking lot instead of a public

[45:11] roadway.

[45:12] So, I think those are some of the legal

[45:14] issues. I mean, there's clearly other

[45:15] issues here, environmental environmental

[45:18] issues, which I don't think really have

[45:19] been addressed at all uh regarding the

[45:21] discharge of surface water potentially

[45:23] into the St. Croix River. I think that's

[45:25] something that should have been uh

[45:27] looked into and addressed prior to this

[45:29] meeting and which could be a basis for a

[45:32] legal challenge to this. Um

[45:34] I hope the village and

[45:37] uh Pete and Wendy are able to reach an

[45:39] agreement on a better way to do this um

[45:41] that is acceptable cuz they have

[45:43] proposed uh an alternative that they

[45:45] think is acceptable. I still hope that

[45:47] that is the resolution here.

[45:49] Um but at this point, we just feel like

[45:51] there are some serious issues with both

[45:53] the process and the legality for this

[45:55] parking lot.

[45:57] » Thank you, Nolan.

[45:58] Appreciate the information.

[46:01] Anyone else?

[46:03] Yes, please. Come on up.

[46:15] » My name is Michelle Drevnick and I live

[46:18] at 539 Galahad and I own the

[46:23] um property on the other side of Browns

[46:27] Beach at 617 Galahad.

[46:32] And um

[46:35] I've got notes on meetings

[46:39] about the Browns Beach going back to

[46:42] Wens- Wednesday, November 2nd, 1994.

[46:48] So, it's been a topic

[46:52] possibly longer than this, but

[46:56] I'd be glad to let you read it.

[46:58] Going back

[47:01] then, I have a note that I wrote

[47:05] where I said

[47:08] um about that property it's they don't

[47:12] own the property, it's a platted street.

[47:15] They don't have repairing rights and

[47:17] they cannot build on it.

[47:19] Cannot build on a street right-of-way.

[47:23] That's what I wrote back in 1994.

[47:27] Um

[47:32] I I feel that there's one problem with

[47:35] just having

[47:36] Third

[47:39] Third Street, I think.

[47:41] Going down is people do tend to park

[47:46] either in our driveway or Mitchell's or

[47:49] block the driveway. My tenant has told

[47:52] me on numerous times he's had to go up

[47:54] there

[47:55] and go down to the beach because he

[47:58] can't get out of his driveway. So, he

[48:00] has to go find somebody

[48:03] to move their car.

[48:06] Um

[48:09] So, or they use the driveways for

[48:12] turnaround.

[48:15] But, um

[48:18] Another thing that I wanted to bring up

[48:20] about it it was a couple years ago

[48:24] when the new stairways were put in.

[48:28] So, I think that was 2 years ago.

[48:30] And I was promised at the time the trees

[48:33] were going to be put back onto my

[48:35] property to replace the ones that were

[48:37] taken down.

[48:40] And when that

[48:42] walkway was put in,

[48:45] they put the edge of the walkway exactly

[48:48] on the edge of the property line.

[48:51] They didn't leave any space between the

[48:54] villages

[48:55] walkway and my property, which they had

[48:59] plenty of space on the other time on the

[49:03] other side and they didn't.

[49:05] And now

[49:06] because of poor planning

[49:09] anytime there's a heavy rain

[49:12] there's a big runoff down that

[49:16] gully there

[49:18] right onto the beach. So, you could go

[49:20] down there anytime. And so, there's dirt

[49:23] on the beach that shouldn't be there.

[49:26] And I'm sure some of that's getting into

[49:28] the river.

[49:31] So, I don't think those new steps were

[49:36] um

[49:37] planned as good as they could be.

[49:40] So, I think it's really important that

[49:43] whatever you're going to do now is going

[49:45] to be [laughter] the correct right

[49:48] thing.

[49:49] Cuz we don't need any more problems

[49:53] at Brown's Beach.

[49:55] Okay?

[49:56] » Thank you, Michelle. Good stuff.

[49:58] Anyone else?

[50:02] Yeah, certainly.

[50:13] » Hi, my name is Billie Jo Neilson. I live

[50:14] at 609 Galahad Road North. Um I just

[50:18] really wanted to piggyback off of what

[50:20] Michelle was just saying um about the

[50:22] property lines. She mentioned that the

[50:24] village um

[50:26] you know, it was right against her

[50:27] property line. So, my

[50:29] um

[50:31] my uh property line also lines the

[50:34] parking lot that is being built um for

[50:37] Brown's Beach and it's right at the edge

[50:39] of my property line. You can see the

[50:40] pink stake is right at the very, very

[50:43] edge of um where the parking lot ends.

[50:45] So, I'm feel fearful that if somebody is

[50:49] on that parking lot and steps off about

[50:52] a foot, they'll fall they land on my

[50:53] property.

[50:55] I might be liable for that. Kind of

[50:56] concerning.

[50:57] Um also, I frequent that beach and I

[50:59] also um agree that there's a lot of

[51:01] erosion when there's very heavy rainfall

[51:03] um and after the snow melts um

[51:07] underneath the steps and right next to

[51:08] the steps there's kind of a big gully

[51:10] that goes all the way down.

[51:12] So, I think that

[51:13] probably needs to be addressed before

[51:15] the um parking lot needs to be addressed

[51:18] because there's problems there. Those

[51:19] stairs are going to probably crumble and

[51:21] fall apart because there's a huge like

[51:24] wash out underneath them currently. Um

[51:26] there's a big kind of gully that comes

[51:28] through even on the beach. There's a

[51:30] huge eroded part that's been there since

[51:33] spring last year, I think that the beach

[51:35] is just kind of not in great shape. So,

[51:38] I think those things need to be

[51:39] addressed.

[51:39] » Billie, are you on the south side of the

[51:41] parking lot or on the east

[51:42] » Um I'm in the red house on Galahad.

[51:44] » Oh, okay.

[51:45] » So,

[51:45] » Yeah, I know you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[51:47] » Side of the beach? Yeah, yeah.

[51:49] Thank you.

[51:51] » Thank you very much. Good stuff.

[51:55] Anyone else?

[51:57] Might have Kevin come up.

[51:59] Kevin, can you I we're going to drill

[52:01] you for a few minutes here.

[52:03] » No problem.

[52:04] » Um

[52:06] So, this road, Kevin, I'll go ahead.

[52:09] Now, introduce yourself, please.

[52:10] » Uh so, Kevin O'Brien from Cedar

[52:12] Corporation, village engineer.

[52:16] » This this road is considered called Is

[52:17] it Lake Avenue?

[52:19] » Park.

[52:19] » Oh, Park Avenue. Park I'm sorry, Park

[52:21] Avenue. Park Avenue?

[52:22] » Yep.

[52:22] » Um so, listening to some of the

[52:25] questions

[52:27] and comments,

[52:28] um it is a road, right?

[52:32] » It's basically a unimproved

[52:33] right-of-way.

[52:35] So, I mean, [clears throat] it is a very

[52:37] old plat.

[52:39] Um there have been over the years there

[52:41] has been portions of it that have been

[52:43] vacated.

[52:45] And you can see it on the village's maps

[52:47] of which areas were,

[52:49] but

[52:50] » [clears throat]

[52:50] » In this particular area,

[52:52] we weren't able to find any

[52:54] documentation where it had, you know,

[52:57] legally been vacated back to the

[52:59] property owners. So,

[53:01] um [clears throat]

[53:02] for some reason the road itself had

[53:04] never ever been improved.

[53:07] » So, we still can

[53:10] work with that Park Avenue, right?

[53:13] Even if this is in or not in I mean if

[53:15] or if it does develop?

[53:16] » Yes, and so, we provided um

[53:21] a drawing

[53:23] um as part of your packet.

[53:24] » Yep.

[53:25] » A proposed layout. And you can see

[53:28] within that 50-ft right-of-way, we have

[53:32] 24 ft of pavement.

[53:35] And the goal was there is should you

[53:38] ever want to improve the road, you would

[53:40] still have access to two-way traffic

[53:43] going to the south or to the north. The

[53:45] parking would be offsetted

[53:48] to the west side of that. Um seven

[53:51] parking stalls, one of them being

[53:53] handicap.

[53:54] We show

[53:56] there would be a 3-ft buffer, so there'd

[53:58] be a 3-ft area from the asphalt to the

[54:01] property line, which would be grassed,

[54:03] and that would be on east

[54:05] on each side, the east and the west

[54:08] side.

[54:09] Um and you can see there is some

[54:11] drainage areas that are provided. So,

[54:13] everything would be conveyed

[54:16] to the east side of where the parking

[54:18] stalls would end.

[54:20] Um the biggest goal is so we don't

[54:23] like Pete had brought up

[54:25] have all the parking lot draining

[54:27] towards their property. Everything would

[54:29] come to almost like a V in the asphalt,

[54:32] and it would head north. I know there's

[54:34] been some concerns brought up about

[54:36] stormwater. You know, what the drainage,

[54:39] you know, what I'm just going to add

[54:40] here. There is

[54:42] you could put a little rain garden in up

[54:45] in that northwest corner where all that

[54:48] drainage would drain into.

[54:50] Village is pretty fortunate. You have

[54:52] pretty sandy soils, so a lot of that

[54:54] would actually infiltrate into the

[54:56] ground before it would overflow

[54:59] and head head to the what to the west.

[55:02] » So, help me understand Billy Joel's

[55:04] comment um

[55:06] they're literally her

[55:08] Park Avenue is between her lot and that

[55:12] » Between our house and

[55:13] » Between our house

[55:14] and their house.

[55:14] » Yeah, it would be between the two

[55:16] parcels, right?

[55:17] » Okay.

[55:18] » Yep. And we

[55:19] you know, one of the things that we were

[55:21] concerned about, too, is

[55:23] um

[55:24] the lights from the cars. So,

[55:27] you know, with the parcel that's to the

[55:29] east, it's fairly close to that

[55:31] right-of-way.

[55:33] So, and there's more buffer on the west

[55:35] side, so we

[55:37] um laid it out so the parking would

[55:39] actually be on the the western side.

[55:42] » Brown's Beach is not accessible at night

[55:44] anyway, so is it?

[55:46] Right? No, wait.

[55:48] » It is. Yeah, it is.

[55:49] » Wait, it shouldn't be. I think it closes

[55:51] at

[55:51] » At 9:00.

[55:52] » Okay.

[55:53] Yeah.

[55:54] » So, sir, Tyler

[55:54] » I guess it won't it won't be used at

[55:56] that time of year in the fall, so it

[55:58] would be again useless.

[55:59] » Yeah.

[56:00] » Kevin, a question.

[56:01] » Yes.

[56:01] » You're going to have to fill that

[56:02] parking lot with about a foot and a half

[56:03] in the back to get it to drain.

[56:05] » Uh we hadn't we haven't got actually

[56:07] gone down there and actually surveyed

[56:09] what's been graded in here now.

[56:12] » I I surveyed it.

[56:12] » Okay.

[56:13] » It's about a foot and a half.

[56:14] » So, yes.

[56:15] » Now it's up about a foot.

[56:17] But now we're going to have 2 and 1/2 ft

[56:18] plus pavement. Let's say almost 3 ft.

[56:20] How are you going to get that not to

[56:22] slough slough off onto our property in 3

[56:25] ft and put grass in there?

[56:27] » Uh again, we'd have to look at it just

[56:30] to see what

[56:31] » And then

[56:32] by creating this parking lot on our side

[56:35] how are we going to access our our land?

[56:38] We want to put a driveway in there for

[56:39] another lot.

[56:41] » You would still have access off of Third

[56:44] Ave.

[56:44] » Third Ave.

[56:45] » No, but I want to use I want to use Lake

[56:46] Ave.

[56:47] » Well, you don't have

[56:51] » Let's focus.

[56:52] » [clears throat]

[56:52] » You've got You've got two lots.

[56:54] » I

[56:55] » You have a lot here and there's one lot

[56:56] to the south.

[56:56] » My question is

[56:57] » The only way to the lot to the north is

[56:59] off of Third Ave.

[57:00] » Yeah.

[57:01] » The only the only public roadway that it

[57:03] abuts is this

[57:05] » Park Ave.

[57:06] » Park Ave. Yeah.

[57:08] My question is is

[57:10] do you have the legal right

[57:11] to to do this? To to take away my my

[57:14] right to use

[57:17] » Can I comment?

[57:18] » Yeah.

[57:19] » [clears throat]

[57:19] » So,

[57:20] this is a platted road.

[57:23] You don't need a deed when you have a

[57:25] platted right-of-way, and you know that.

[57:28] How many plats have you done? You don't

[57:30] You don't need a deed. Okay?

[57:33] And if we

[57:36] if we go with your rationale here that

[57:39] Park Avenue is long since been vacated,

[57:43] what you're going to do is landlock all

[57:45] your neighbors along that road between

[57:48] Park Avenue and the river.

[57:51] Those people would be landlocked if this

[57:54] road was vacated and all that land went

[57:56] back.

[57:57] That's not going to happen.

[58:03] Because their only access

[58:05] their access is through that

[58:07] right-of-way.

[58:11] How do they get there?

[58:13] » So Chuck has his own driveway.

[58:15] Billy Joe has her own driveway. We have

[58:17] our own driveway.

[58:19] » I'm talking to the people to the south

[58:21] of you.

[58:22] » South?

[58:23] South of me?

[58:24] » That's Billy Joe.

[58:26] » That's Billy Joe.

[58:27] » No, actually to the south is is Frank

[58:30] » Yeah,

[58:31] but that's the thing. I have a different

[58:32] driveway.

[58:34] » But it goes through this

[58:35] » It's through the It's through the

[58:36] right-of-way.

[58:37] » Right-of-way park

[58:39] » That's what [clears throat] I'm saying.

[58:40] » Yep. That one don't look the does.

[58:42] » It's all through that right-of-way.

[58:43] » Debating that.

[58:44] » No.

[58:45] » We're saying if it's a road, how can you

[58:46] turn it into a parking lot?

[58:48] » Well,

[58:49] you can park on a road.

[58:50] Right?

[58:51] » I'm proposing that.

[58:52] » You can park on a road.

[58:53] » It's like Does this Does this mean the

[58:55] village back for a road?

[58:58] » 24-ft wide?

[58:59] » Is that it?

[59:00] » Okay.

[59:01] » Then it have to be curbed and guttered.

[59:02] » No, it doesn't have to be.

[59:03] » I could I could have built I could

[59:04] Anybody can build a road this size and

[59:06] it's going to be okay with the village?

[59:08] » Well, I mean it's a public roadway, so

[59:11] the village would have to construct it.

[59:14] » Don't they have to construct it to the

[59:16] same aspects that anybody else would?

[59:18] » But I mean

[59:19] » Yeah, we got to Okay, we we're we're Now

[59:20] we're turning into a debate.

[59:21] » Question of fact question

[59:22] » Yeah.

[59:22] » Is Is this even legal?

[59:25] » Well,

[59:25] » That's the biggest question.

[59:26] » We've heard that Yeah, I know. We

[59:28] We've heard this question. Yeah, I

[59:30] Yeah, I know. I mean, I appreciate the

[59:31] comments, but we heard it. So, one one

[59:33] one last comment then. So, um

[59:36] You've gone down seen it and all the

[59:38] activity that we're talking about here

[59:39] raising it and and run off and that

[59:41] stuff. There potentially might have to

[59:42] add more additional things to protect

[59:44] that run off to any of the property

[59:46] owners that these guys have, right?

[59:47] » Correct. Yes. Up in that northwest

[59:49] corner would be

[59:50] » And that northwest corner, yeah.

[59:51] » Yep. To put a little rain garden for,

[59:53] you know, a little storm water

[59:55] management. Cuz it's not a huge lot

[59:57] overall. Parking lot.

[59:59] » Any other questions for Kevin, board

[1:00:00] member?

[1:00:02] Or

[1:00:04] » Our width of Third Avenue now

[1:00:07] and then with the parking that's being

[1:00:10] utilized there, what type of width do we

[1:00:12] have for fire and emergency services to

[1:00:15] get into the beach and and those kind of

[1:00:17] things now? Does it function when

[1:00:20] there's cars in there and you feel

[1:00:22] comfortable with

[1:00:23] » Yeah, again, I'm I'm going to compare it

[1:00:25] to I would like to see a a turnaround

[1:00:28] like I proposed.

[1:00:30] Not this huge

[1:00:31] Not this huge monstrosity.

[1:00:34] If you built what I was proposing, it'd

[1:00:36] be 80% less money,

[1:00:39] lot less runoff, still have turnaround

[1:00:41] to get out, and some additional parking.

[1:00:44] And it's It's built this thing is just

[1:00:46] It's just a waste takes taxpayers'

[1:00:47] money.

[1:00:52] » Kevin, have you looked at recently the

[1:00:55] improvements that were made to the

[1:00:57] Browns Beach access

[1:00:59] and more specifically to some of the

[1:01:02] water storm water issues that are there?

[1:01:05] Have they been addressed? Have they been

[1:01:06] brought to public works attention or the

[1:01:10] original design of that on why we have

[1:01:13] it?

[1:01:14] » Well, I know that right after the

[1:01:16] construction was done,

[1:01:18] there was some [clears throat] erosion

[1:01:19] that was taking place along the steps.

[1:01:22] and a lot of that's because of you know

[1:01:25] like the grass needs to be established.

[1:01:28] And from what I

[1:01:30] remember, I know Gary Zappa with Zappa

[1:01:33] brothers went down and took care of

[1:01:35] that. I haven't been down there lately

[1:01:37] just to see

[1:01:39] how it looks.

[1:01:40] » Want to interrupt you. I don't want to

[1:01:41] interrupt but it's not fixed.

[1:01:43] » Okay, that's we need to know that.

[1:01:44] » It just runs all the way down so it's

[1:01:46] going to continue to erode.

[1:01:48] » We'll have to take a look at that.

[1:01:50] » You can't actually put towels in a lot

[1:01:51] of spots down there because there's so

[1:01:53] many gullies.

[1:01:56] » If that's part of this topic but it's

[1:01:57] good information to bring it's it's good

[1:01:58] to bring up to us though.

[1:01:59] » All of it needs to be riprap.

[1:02:01] » Yeah, we

[1:02:02] » Money needs to be spent on that.

[1:02:03] » Yeah,

[1:02:05] that's a public works problem.

[1:02:06] » Yeah, we can

[1:02:08] » Yeah.

[1:02:09] » We'll bring it

[1:02:09] » I'll note it.

[1:02:11] » Talked about that.

[1:02:12] » Okay, anything else?

[1:02:14] Thank you Kevin, good information.

[1:02:15] Appreciate that. Thank you guys.

[1:02:17] » Thank you. Thank you.

[1:02:19] » Okay, any anybody else?

[1:02:23] Anyone else?

[1:02:25] For open public hearing one more time,

[1:02:26] anyone else?

[1:02:28] Okay, I'll close the public hearing.

[1:02:30] Um I will take a motion so we can

[1:02:33] discuss discuss this as a board.

[1:02:35] Item number 10 so I'll take a motion

[1:02:37] from anyone.

[1:02:39] » I make a motion to recommend denial of

[1:02:41] the change of use to add a parking area.

[1:02:44] » I'll second.

[1:02:47] » Okay.

[1:02:48] Um let's discuss.

[1:02:50] » Yeah.

[1:02:52] I'd [clears throat] rather see a

[1:02:54] table this.

[1:02:55] Um there are a lot of important

[1:02:57] questions that have arisen

[1:03:00] on the basis of the discussion and the

[1:03:01] input from the citizens. Particularly

[1:03:04] the erosion. Um

[1:03:06] that's a new issue. I've never heard

[1:03:08] about that.

[1:03:08] » Yeah, that's not really part of this

[1:03:10] though even though I I totally agree

[1:03:12] with you. I think that's a public works

[1:03:13] thing.

[1:03:13] » Is.

[1:03:14] » Yeah. And in the sense of

[1:03:15] resources and money

[1:03:17] » Okay.

[1:03:17] » To

[1:03:17] » I'm with you. Okay.

[1:03:18] » Yeah.

[1:03:21] » Good.

[1:03:22] Anything else? That's good.

[1:03:24] » I don't see the point of it really,

[1:03:25] honestly. So, if we're if there's

[1:03:28] already eight parking spots there,

[1:03:32] » Well, there really aren't any spots

[1:03:34] there at all.

[1:03:35] » Well, okay, let's say that there was cuz

[1:03:37] isn't it on

[1:03:39] here it shows that is there a possible

[1:03:45] eight on third?

[1:03:47] » Yes.

[1:03:48] » Correct.

[1:03:48] » And so, if there was to be

[1:03:52] spots put in there or, you know, lines

[1:03:54] to be put in there or something else

[1:03:56] like that, but that's eight of the

[1:03:58] proposed what? 10 possible 12-ft radius

[1:04:02] there.

[1:04:04] Um,

[1:04:06] then we'd put too much parking there.

[1:04:07] Now,

[1:04:08] that's not including bicycles cuz a lot

[1:04:10] of people walk and bicycle down there.

[1:04:13] Um,

[1:04:14] I just don't really see that it's needed

[1:04:17] in my opinion. I mean, I would open up

[1:04:20] the whole Park Street area as

[1:04:23] a fire berm as much as I love trees,

[1:04:25] Wendy. Um, I'd like to make sure that

[1:04:28] if and when the time happens that

[1:04:31] you know, we have stuff like this

[1:04:32] available to us.

[1:04:34] But, I I I don't really see it needed

[1:04:36] and I don't like the idea of piling snow

[1:04:38] there. Snow is garbage

[1:04:41] um, and water and I don't think that's

[1:04:44] what that area needs.

[1:04:47] » Can I get 10 more minutes?

[1:04:49] » No, it's too late, hon. Sorry. Thank

[1:04:51] you, Michelle, though.

[1:04:52] Anybody down here?

[1:04:55] » I Tim, if I could

[1:04:57] So, as far as the proposed parking area

[1:05:00] here that we see,

[1:05:02] I have to say the

[1:05:05] the the cost and the scope of this whole

[1:05:07] project with the stairs and the wall,

[1:05:09] which probably were necessary. They

[1:05:11] needed to replace so, I understand that

[1:05:13] and I understand someone's grant money.

[1:05:16] And now the parking lot is

[1:05:18] incongruous with the size of Brown's

[1:05:21] Beach.

[1:05:22] I don't think it needs to become a thing

[1:05:25] any more than it is. So, I would also

[1:05:28] agree that it is absolutely not

[1:05:29] necessary, hence my motion.

[1:05:32] I do like the

[1:05:35] idea of striping the road. So, thank you

[1:05:38] for suggesting that first. And I will

[1:05:41] always see your points. I agreed the

[1:05:42] first time around that this was not

[1:05:44] necessary.

[1:05:46] So,

[1:05:47] yeah, I just I am concerned though,

[1:05:49] however, with the

[1:05:51] sort of carve out the lot that's already

[1:05:53] there

[1:05:55] and what will happen

[1:05:57] with that because I think people are

[1:05:59] going to see that and use it as a

[1:06:01] natural just I'm just going to pull in

[1:06:02] and park.

[1:06:03] So, I guess I don't know how to remedy

[1:06:05] that,

[1:06:07] but

[1:06:08] um

[1:06:09] yeah.

[1:06:10] » That's one thing I did not get to say

[1:06:11] that I wanted to say, too, is

[1:06:13] whether or not there's a little

[1:06:14] turnaround, no parking signs, no trailer

[1:06:17] signs

[1:06:19] cuz I don't know if people go in there

[1:06:20] with canoes or whatever else, but I do

[1:06:21] want to keep it open to people, but um

[1:06:24] if if they want to

[1:06:25] you got ferries landing for canoes,

[1:06:27] kayaks, and stuff like that. So, maybe

[1:06:29] better signage, maybe better striping,

[1:06:32] um utilize what we do have

[1:06:35] and better signage, and you know,

[1:06:38] whatever we can do, I mean

[1:06:40] but yeah, I think it's overkill.

[1:06:45] » I think you can use that gravel, pull it

[1:06:46] back and then

[1:06:47] » Pete, Pete, yep. Anything else?

[1:06:51] My concern, of course, is what Michelle

[1:06:53] brings up, um the parking in front of

[1:06:55] driveways.

[1:06:56] » Yep.

[1:06:56] » Yeah, that's the main concern.

[1:06:58] » Better signage.

[1:06:59] » But that's I think one of the reasons

[1:07:01] why it was you know, brought brought in

[1:07:04] there, you know, actually.

[1:07:06] Um, but

[1:07:08] um, I

[1:07:10] I like the option of tabling it

[1:07:13] versus

[1:07:14] you know, just the fact is because

[1:07:17] I'd like to investigate more of, you

[1:07:19] know,

[1:07:20] a turnaround if that's a potential

[1:07:22] possibility in that area. And then

[1:07:24] striping the parking if that's a

[1:07:25] potential I mean on the street.

[1:07:27] » This just specifically for I mean,

[1:07:30] I guess I disagree with tabling it. That

[1:07:32] can be brought at another time yes by

[1:07:35] the parks department.

[1:07:36] » Exactly.

[1:07:36] » I really feel all of these are separate

[1:07:38] issues.

[1:07:39] » Okay.

[1:07:39] » Whatever you have going legally is not

[1:07:41] my concern.

[1:07:43] My concern is solely the parking lot in

[1:07:45] relation to this tiny little

[1:07:48] sandbox

[1:07:49] and how it's overkill and not necessary.

[1:07:52] And I think that's what we're voting on

[1:07:54] now. Other things can be brought at

[1:07:56] other times.

[1:07:56] » The proposal was fixing a reme- I mean

[1:07:58] fixing a problem. The problem was that

[1:07:59] they were parking in front of the church

[1:08:00] driveway.

[1:08:01] » Right. I guess we don't know if it

[1:08:03] actually is a huge problem. I mean, it

[1:08:07] it you have voiced concerns that perhaps

[1:08:10] people turning around in the driveways,

[1:08:11] maybe people blocking the driveways, but

[1:08:13] I don't know. I haven't heard anything

[1:08:15] else

[1:08:16] on that.

[1:08:18] So.

[1:08:19] » Okay.

[1:08:19] » I I would vote.

[1:08:21] » Yes, we're ready to vote. No other

[1:08:22] comments? No other questions? Roderick?

[1:08:25] » I vote no.

[1:08:28] » Uh,

[1:08:29] Candace?

[1:08:30] » No.

[1:08:30] » I vote no. Tim is gone, absent. Bill?

[1:08:34] » No.

[1:08:36] » Okay, Jared? No. Randall?

[1:08:38] » I vote yes.

[1:08:44] » Yes, is the motion is did not you're

[1:08:46] voting yes to didn't you you made a

[1:08:48] motion

[1:08:49] to not have it.

[1:08:50] » I'm sorry. We put the motion in the

[1:08:52] negative.

[1:08:53] » Yeah.

[1:08:53] » We did. I promise.

[1:08:55] » Yeah.

[1:08:56] » Yeah.

[1:08:56] » Yeah, there's a second.

[1:08:58] » Yeah, so let's just be clear what we're

[1:09:00] voting.

[1:09:00] » Exactly. I want to say that.

[1:09:01] » Yeah, let's go

[1:09:01] » [laughter]

[1:09:01] » Through this again.

[1:09:02] » You made the motion.

[1:09:02] » I have voted it in the positive and then

[1:09:05] » Okay, you made the motion and I wanted

[1:09:06] to make sure

[1:09:07] » Sorry.

[1:09:08] » [laughter]

[1:09:08] » The motion was to

[1:09:09] » Deny.

[1:09:10] » Yeah, [clears throat] I second it.

[1:09:12] » Yep.

[1:09:14] So, you're saying no, do not don't deny

[1:09:16] it.

[1:09:17] » No, I thought the no was

[1:09:22] » I know, I shouldn't have

[1:09:24] I shouldn't have done that.

[1:09:26] » Exactly.

[1:09:26] » Okay, then I vote yes.

[1:09:27] » That's what I'm talking Yeah, I'm step

[1:09:29] cuz

[1:09:29] » Thank you for clarifying that.

[1:09:31] » Well, I when I when I hear down here

[1:09:32] what he's what he made the motion

[1:09:33] » Was there and I'm shouldn't have done

[1:09:35] that.

[1:09:35] » Yeah, I thought the motion was negative

[1:09:39] » Yeah, you're saying you're saying yes, I

[1:09:41] agree with the motion is what you're

[1:09:42] saying. You're saying no to the motion

[1:09:44] and telling me that you were you're

[1:09:46] denying what the motion is. So, let's

[1:09:47] start this over again. Roderick.

[1:09:49] » Yes.

[1:09:50] » Candace.

[1:09:51] » Yes.

[1:09:52] » The motion is to deny it. Bill.

[1:09:53] » Yes.

[1:09:54] » Yes.

[1:09:54] » Jared.

[1:09:55] » Yes.

[1:09:56] » And Randall.

[1:09:57] » No.

[1:09:59] » Okay, you're saying no.

[1:10:00] All right, and I say no. All right, so

[1:10:02] it's it's denied. Um cuz there was 1 2 3

[1:10:06] 4

[1:10:07] four yeses and two nos. So, it has been

[1:10:10] denied. The motion was denied. So,

[1:10:13] thank you guys for your comments. Thank

[1:10:14] you guys for attending. I appreciate

[1:10:16] that. This is all about.

[1:10:19] Next up is the Pepper Fest by uh Mr. Don

[1:10:21] Buzzard actually. He's just going to

[1:10:22] present quickly uh up there what our

[1:10:24] plans are.

[1:10:26] This is just a presentation, so there's

[1:10:28] no real um discussion at this level.

[1:10:30] Just kind of gets you level set with the

[1:10:31] planning commission where we're at with

[1:10:33] this project.

[1:10:34] And update everyone.

[1:10:40] And then Don, you have to turn the

[1:10:42] overhead on.

[1:10:43] » What's that?

[1:10:44] » That.

[1:10:45] » Do I got to turn it on?

[1:10:46] » Should be the remote right there in

[1:10:47] front of you.

[1:10:49] There it is, Don.

[1:10:52] » Oh, we got it.

[1:10:54] All right, Don Buzzard, uh treasurer

[1:10:55] North Hudson Pepper Fest, 1122 Partridge

[1:10:58] Lane, North.

[1:11:00] I'm just here to give a quick update on

[1:11:02] where we are with the I think we

[1:11:03] presented

[1:11:05] uh,

[1:11:06] last year uh,

[1:11:08] to to build the community center back

[1:11:10] here. So, um,

[1:11:13] we completed the initial design. I

[1:11:15] wanted to show a picture of that. Um,

[1:11:18] just so that you can you get a chance to

[1:11:20] look at it.

[1:11:21] » Let me bring it up to you in a sec.

[1:11:35] » All right. So, this is the the drawing

[1:11:38] of the community center. So, it would be

[1:11:40] right back here.

[1:11:41] It has two two different building two

[1:11:43] different sides, so you could have Girl

[1:11:44] Scouts and Boy Scouts here.

[1:11:47] The the bathrooms here would be

[1:11:48] available for the park to come in here.

[1:11:50] So, these these could be locked up here

[1:11:52] and you could still have the bathrooms

[1:11:53] open for the park.

[1:11:55] It's a half-size basement. We we did

[1:11:57] have a full basement. We cut that back

[1:11:59] to a half the last time.

[1:12:01] Um,

[1:12:02] pretty much laid out pretty simple basic

[1:12:04] layout.

[1:12:06] Um,

[1:12:08] see what we got next.

[1:12:10] Uh, second one.

[1:12:14] Sorry, I'm struggling on this PC.

[1:12:17] Um,

[1:12:19] this is how the layout would be across

[1:12:21] the environment. Uh, this one

[1:12:24] all of our parking there'd be 46 parking

[1:12:26] spots over here in the village.

[1:12:29] There would only be four parking spots

[1:12:31] up here. This is not This is wrong here,

[1:12:34] but

[1:12:35] that's been changed. So, we eliminated

[1:12:36] those parking spots in front of the

[1:12:37] neighbors over there.

[1:12:39] Um, so all the parking would be there.

[1:12:41] There'd be handicap and three other

[1:12:43] spots.

[1:12:44] Um,

[1:12:45] » No street parking then? That got taken

[1:12:47] out?

[1:12:48] » S-

[1:12:49] The street parking and were going to add

[1:12:51] some additional street parking here.

[1:12:52] » Yeah.

[1:12:53] » But, right now this 46 spots is all we

[1:12:55] need for that.

[1:12:56] » Okay.

[1:12:57] » And then the four up there for handicap

[1:12:59] or

[1:13:00] Uh again, during the day our plan is to

[1:13:02] have the senior center there. So, the

[1:13:03] seniors would be there, so they have a

[1:13:04] spot so they could drop off and still

[1:13:07] park over here.

[1:13:09] And

[1:13:24] I can show you what the building would

[1:13:26] look like.

[1:13:34] And this would be phase one, just the

[1:13:36] building.

[1:13:37] The gazebo type would be phase two and

[1:13:39] later.

[1:13:40] And same with the park, as those funds

[1:13:43] would come forward.

[1:13:53] And we have been approved for our loan.

[1:13:55] Our goal is to pay it off in 6 years.

[1:13:59] So.

[1:14:01] Quick.

[1:14:06] Well, yes, I It isn't done. I'll let it

[1:14:08] keep going.

[1:14:10] » It kind of goes over the same thing.

[1:14:12] » So, the colors are representative. It's

[1:14:14] red.

[1:14:15] » Uh it's going to actually match the

[1:14:16] color of the the village hall.

[1:14:18] » All right, yeah.

[1:14:19] » So, it's supposed to match exactly

[1:14:21] within the neighborhood?

[1:14:23] I don't know why they put red on there.

[1:14:26] » What's your [music] plan for starting?

[1:14:28] » Uh the the goal to have this started uh

[1:14:30] it's a w-

[1:14:32] the plan is to send in for the state

[1:14:34] permit. That takes 5 to 12 weeks. So,

[1:14:37] hopefully by Pepper Fest we would break

[1:14:38] ground.

[1:14:40] » Or after.

[1:14:41] » Or after. I mean, we can't control how

[1:14:43] long the state

[1:14:44] takes. They They tell us 4 to 12 weeks,

[1:14:47] so

[1:14:47] » And it's today. we don't know what that

[1:14:48] is.

[1:14:49] » So, how many square feet is the

[1:14:50] building?

[1:14:51] » It's 50 by 100.

[1:14:53] » Sounds

[1:14:54] And forgive me, I wasn't around the last

[1:14:56] time. Was there any talk about

[1:14:58] fencing for the neighbors?

[1:15:01] » Yep.

[1:15:02] » And there was and what

[1:15:03] » Fence along the side.

[1:15:04] » And how what was the height of that?

[1:15:07] » I think it was eight feet or nine feet

[1:15:10] ordinance.

[1:15:11] » But they could go on a variance or we

[1:15:13] could approve a variance of eight feet

[1:15:14] if the neighbors wanted it?

[1:15:16] » Yep. Yep.

[1:15:23] » Can you clarify

[1:15:24] like is the CPC still valid?

[1:15:28] Cuz in the ordinance it says it lapses

[1:15:29] after six months if no construction has

[1:15:32] begun.

[1:15:34] » Uh to our knowledge it's still approved.

[1:15:36] » Could you clarify

[1:15:37] » Yeah, I'd have to look.

[1:15:39] » She's got an ordinance book right there.

[1:15:42] » Okay.

[1:15:43] Um I'll look.

[1:15:45] Tomorrow.

[1:15:47] » [clears throat]

[1:15:52] » That's That's really all I had and we

[1:15:53] We'll present again once we get to the

[1:15:55] next step and just keep coming back.

[1:15:57] Make sure people are overly involved.

[1:15:59] » Cuz um I I didn't see anything in there

[1:16:01] for a kitchen.

[1:16:03] » Uh

[1:16:05] It's not really a kitchen.

[1:16:07] » [laughter]

[1:16:07] » There's a kitchen, but it's like uh

[1:16:10] Hold on. Let me bring it up.

[1:16:12] » All right. Is that touchable?

[1:16:13] » Ah.

[1:16:15] I'm using Tim's computer, so

[1:16:18] » Well, can you give us a little

[1:16:19] background because I'm catching up here,

[1:16:21] but this is being funded by the Pepper

[1:16:25] Fest entity, right?

[1:16:27] » Yep.

[1:16:27] » I'm assuming and not taxpayer money. No

[1:16:29] taxpayer money. And it's going to stay

[1:16:31] in their ownership.

[1:16:32] » Mhm.

[1:16:33] » And a 501c3, so no taxes paid by them.

[1:16:36] » Yep.

[1:16:37] » And

[1:16:38] uh they're going to utilize it for a

[1:16:39] community center for everybody to take

[1:16:42] advantage of, right, in the community.

[1:16:44] Uh the kitchen though, aren't you doing

[1:16:48] » It's not a commercial kitchen. We're not

[1:16:50] » Like when we have Pepper Fest, it's

[1:16:51] still going to be outside.

[1:16:53] » Okay.

[1:16:53] » If the seniors wanted to do Meals on

[1:16:55] Wheels, it'll be brought in from

[1:16:56] somewhere else. It's not built for that.

[1:16:59] We'll have a basic kitchen, you know,

[1:17:00] with

[1:17:01] you know, a couple cabinets and coffee

[1:17:04] and

[1:17:05] maybe a stove, but not not a commercial

[1:17:07] building type of any.

[1:17:09] » So, are you

[1:17:10] » Be able to do bingo or things like that

[1:17:12] » Yeah, bingo

[1:17:14] » And those type of things?

[1:17:16] » Yeah, bingo and

[1:17:18] um Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts. Um

[1:17:22] » So, what's rental look like on that then

[1:17:24] for these organizations?

[1:17:25] » You

[1:17:25] » Yeah, we we want to

[1:17:26] » You don't have any kind of thing

[1:17:27] proposed or anything.

[1:17:28] » Our plan isn't to

[1:17:30] make money on it.

[1:17:32] We want to break even and we put so much

[1:17:33] Like right now, we put in

[1:17:35] Like when we bought the land, we're

[1:17:36] putting in 60 grand a year to pay for

[1:17:39] it.

[1:17:39] » Right.

[1:17:40] » And we're going to continue to support

[1:17:41] the community through that. And that's

[1:17:42] what the money from Pepper Fest will go

[1:17:44] through.

[1:17:45] So, it's we're not trying to make money

[1:17:47] on the deal. This isn't a money-making

[1:17:49] alternative. We're trying to give a

[1:17:51] place for people to go

[1:17:52] » Nice looking

[1:17:52] » And do things.

[1:17:53] » Are we allowed to ask questions?

[1:17:55] Cuz you said it's not commercial. Are we

[1:17:57] [clears throat] allowed to ask

[1:17:57] » Yeah, we're not going to debate or

[1:17:59] anything, but you can definitely ask

[1:18:00] questions. Yeah.

[1:18:01] » Absolutely.

[1:18:02] Jared asked about the rental. I believe

[1:18:03] actually Jared, you're the one who

[1:18:04] brought it up in the last meeting that

[1:18:06] it was brought up that technically, if I

[1:18:08] were allowed to get married there, they

[1:18:10] pay a Pepper Fest fee.

[1:18:11] So, if I were to get married there, I'd

[1:18:12] have to pay a $50 fee to guys. And have

[1:18:14] my wedding there.

[1:18:16] Technically, I couldn't do that.

[1:18:18] » That's correct.

[1:18:20] That's part of the

[1:18:21] » That's part of the cost, yeah.

[1:18:22] » So, that is definitely a concern.

[1:18:24] » There there will be events there that

[1:18:27] you know, people will donate stuff for,

[1:18:28] right?

[1:18:29] I mean, we got we have to pay the the

[1:18:31] lights and we have to pay the heat and

[1:18:34] um but it'll be more of a donation than

[1:18:36] it is a

[1:18:36] » Do you So, there's ideas like

[1:18:39] would you ever have like a farmers

[1:18:40] market or an Oktoberfest or

[1:18:44] » I don't see that. Like, for example,

[1:18:46] like the King's Club has a casino night

[1:18:47] once a year. That would be there

[1:18:49] probably, you know? A few events like

[1:18:51] that, but we're not anticipating

[1:18:54] It's not It's not planned to be rented

[1:18:56] every weekend for weddings, etc. That's

[1:18:58] not the point.

[1:19:00] But, it'll be used occasionally.

[1:19:03] » Well, I like Oktoberfest.

[1:19:05] » It's Oktoberfest.

[1:19:05] » Nice gift for the community.

[1:19:07] » It's a way to give back, right? So, they

[1:19:09] used to give a lot of money Pep Fest

[1:19:10] used to give a lot of money to the

[1:19:11] school.

[1:19:13] And we're very We've We've really turned

[1:19:15] this around over the last 10 years.

[1:19:17] And we we gave out like 24 different

[1:19:19] grants last year. This time we're trying

[1:19:21] to build something and

[1:19:23] and have some place for people to go.

[1:19:27] » I have another question. Sorry.

[1:19:29] Um

[1:19:30] so,

[1:19:31] I have

[1:19:32] I have expressed several concerns to the

[1:19:35] committee and also to

[1:19:36] Pep Fest president.

[1:19:38] Uh we've even met with several of us

[1:19:41] neighbors. We gave feedback,

[1:19:43] suggestions, compromises. And from what

[1:19:46] I see from the presentation, there has

[1:19:48] been zero changes and zero

[1:19:50] considerations from the feedback that we

[1:19:52] shared, and I'm just curious why.

[1:19:54] » Because in that conversation that we had

[1:19:56] with you, I did specifically ask like,

[1:19:59] are we wasting our breath sitting here

[1:20:01] sharing this with you? And you said,

[1:20:02] "Absolutely not. We'll take it into

[1:20:03] consideration, take it back." But, I

[1:20:05] don't see any of any changes,

[1:20:07] specifically the scale. If anything, the

[1:20:10] scale is slightly larger

[1:20:12] because I believe it was just under

[1:20:14] 5,000 sq ft when you guys originally

[1:20:16] showed it to us, and now it's Did I hear

[1:20:19] it's 5,000 sq ft?

[1:20:21] » It It It hasn't changed.

[1:20:23] » No, it hasn't changed. It's been the

[1:20:24] same.

[1:20:24] » I guess I could be wrong. It could be 48

[1:20:26] by 100.

[1:20:27] I

[1:20:28] » 48 by 100.

[1:20:31] It's 5,000.

[1:20:31] » Yeah.

[1:20:33] » We didn't change anything. The only

[1:20:34] thing we changed you guys brought up the

[1:20:36] thing about the

[1:20:38] uh

[1:20:39] noisy air conditioners. We asked them to

[1:20:41] look at that to how we could make that

[1:20:43] quieter. We took the We had windows on

[1:20:45] that side, so

[1:20:47] we took all the windows and

[1:20:49] tried to make it quieter on that side

[1:20:51] and made 2 by 8 walls. So, and then we

[1:20:53] took the lighting away from there. We We

[1:20:55] did try to adjust anything that we could

[1:20:56] on that side.

[1:20:58] » The size is basically we we

[1:21:00] Yeah, and and I know. We went back with

[1:21:02] the size with the architecture and it

[1:21:04] just it the decision came back as it it

[1:21:09] the fit inside this and what we want the

[1:21:11] use for, we felt that the size was

[1:21:12] needed.

[1:21:14] To have two separate activities going on

[1:21:16] at one time, have it out community

[1:21:17] bathrooms for everyone.

[1:21:19] And to be able to

[1:21:22] meet what

[1:21:24] I I guess

[1:21:26] » You should put it on that commercial

[1:21:27] lot.

[1:21:31] » We don't own it.

[1:21:31] » We don't We don't own it.

[1:21:32] » Be quiet.

[1:21:33] » We don't own it.

[1:21:34] » That was already bought.

[1:21:35] » So, then you bought the residential lot.

[1:21:37] » [clears throat]

[1:21:37] » And now you're turning it into

[1:21:39] commercial trying to

[1:21:40] » Yep.

[1:21:41] But you did it

[1:21:42] address some lighting issues and some

[1:21:44] windows.

[1:21:45] » There is some kind of

[1:21:46] » The fencing is definitely and I go back

[1:21:48] to Jared. If we want to put a larger

[1:21:49] fence up, we will pay for that. I mean

[1:21:52] » The main concern we again I have

[1:21:55] multiple concerns that are some of them,

[1:21:57] right? My main concern is the size of

[1:22:00] the building and the capacity of the

[1:22:02] building.

[1:22:03] » Yep.

[1:22:03] » And again, I see none of those concerns

[1:22:07] were even remotely taken into

[1:22:09] consideration. So, I understand Tim that

[1:22:12] you want to and

[1:22:15] bring something to the community, right?

[1:22:17] I guess I just I still don't understand

[1:22:19] why you are placing

[1:22:23] the city of Hudson's

[1:22:25] community needs first before North

[1:22:28] Hudson community. Where that is what

[1:22:30] Pepper Fest was originally meant to

[1:22:32] support, and that is also the community

[1:22:34] that you live in, right? So, why does

[1:22:37] the city of Hudson take priority over

[1:22:40] the village that

[1:22:41] » Well,

[1:22:42] » That that is what Pepper Fest is meant

[1:22:44] for.

[1:22:44] » Yeah, I don't think we're directing it

[1:22:46] to we're directing it to anyone.

[1:22:47] » But the [clears throat] but the

[1:22:48] organizations that you shared with us

[1:22:50] that you're going that you're going to

[1:22:52] support and that you're receiving grants

[1:22:54] for are

[1:22:56] from the city, from Hudson, not North

[1:22:58] Hudson. They're not North Hudson

[1:23:01] community organizations that you're

[1:23:03] prioritizing. You're prioritizing Hudson

[1:23:05] community

[1:23:06] » Well, I

[1:23:07] I feel North Hudson

[1:23:08] » Want to understand. Is it because of the

[1:23:09] grant money? Is that why there it's

[1:23:11] taking precedent over the North Hudson

[1:23:13] » Well, no, our grants are going after

[1:23:15] larger communities and larger

[1:23:16] organizations to be fair.

[1:23:17] » From the bank, Anderson Windows.

[1:23:19] » Yeah, so we're just directing it's not

[1:23:21] really we're not focusing on one one

[1:23:23] entity. I mean,

[1:23:25] I I anticipate people from outside

[1:23:27] coming in and using it, to be honest

[1:23:29] with you. Outside of Hudson, outside

[1:23:31] North Hudson, not you know, any I just

[1:23:33] think it's a community building that's

[1:23:34] going to be used for access for people

[1:23:36] to get, you know, to use to rent or

[1:23:39] donate.

[1:23:40] » Of the the members of this community

[1:23:42] though.

[1:23:45] We are very supportive as a a member of

[1:23:49] this community of the community center.

[1:23:51] Don't get I don't want to misin-

[1:23:53] misrepresent that. It's the magnitude.

[1:23:56] That does not match the footprint of

[1:23:58] North Hudson.

[1:24:00] I mean, it's not even close. And I in my

[1:24:03] communication to the board, I

[1:24:05] shared examples, right? Of other

[1:24:08] communities that are much much larger

[1:24:10] than us that have facilities that are

[1:24:12] supporting

[1:24:14] much larger communities that are smaller

[1:24:16] than what you guys are building. And I

[1:24:17] just that is like my main question. I

[1:24:19] just do not understand why it has to be

[1:24:21] at such a large scale. You know, and

[1:24:24] even if you would say it's because of

[1:24:26] the money, it's going to make us money.

[1:24:27] You're saying it's not making us money,

[1:24:29] right? So, I just don't understand the

[1:24:30] motivation

[1:24:31] » It's just the use. The main use. It's

[1:24:34] the main use.

[1:24:35] I feel it's going to be used more of

[1:24:37] this at this size.

[1:24:40] » And the And the architect told us if we

[1:24:41] reduced it 10 ft it there's no

[1:24:44] cost difference. It All we do is lose

[1:24:46] our space.

[1:24:47] So,

[1:24:48] » [laughter]

[1:24:49] » It didn't make any sense.

[1:24:51] » But I I appreciate your comments, but I

[1:24:54] And I said I I listened to everything

[1:24:55] you stated, but the fact is is that we

[1:24:58] went back and we talked and we adjusted

[1:25:00] the things for noise. We We're trying to

[1:25:02] lighting and all that stuff, but the

[1:25:04] size we just felt it was important to

[1:25:05] have.

[1:25:06] » And we'll do everything we can on that

[1:25:08] wall to make it

[1:25:10] whatever insulation in there.

[1:25:12] » No.

[1:25:13] What time?

[1:25:14] » No.

[1:25:14] » Who decided that?

[1:25:16] The two of you?

[1:25:17] » The The what?

[1:25:20] » There was a We had a separate committee

[1:25:22] set up

[1:25:22] » Yep.

[1:25:23] » Across the community. Bob Bardwell

[1:25:26] » No, we don't say names and names. Yeah.

[1:25:28] » We had a We had a group set up. I was

[1:25:30] just one of the members. I'm the money

[1:25:31] guy, so

[1:25:33] I'm the one that try to find the money.

[1:25:34] » Can you share those results?

[1:25:37] Of the Of the group?

[1:25:38] » Well, keep in mind, we're building this

[1:25:39] thing as a non It's an It's a no

[1:25:41] taxpayer money at all.

[1:25:43] » I'm not concerned with that.

[1:25:45] » Okay. Well, then and we went through the

[1:25:47] proper channels

[1:25:49] » [clears throat]

[1:25:49] » Of getting a commissioning use permit

[1:25:51] and we

[1:25:52] and we presented to everyone. So,

[1:25:55] I'm All I'm saying I'm going to end the

[1:25:56] meeting after this cuz it and

[1:25:59] we're presenting, we're keeping

[1:26:00] everybody informed as we step through

[1:26:02] these processes.

[1:26:04] And the goal is of course is to put

[1:26:05] something up that the community can use.

[1:26:07] Not Hudson specifically, not North

[1:26:09] Hudson specifically, anybody can use.

[1:26:12] That is the goal of this.

[1:26:13] The seniors are here representing it.

[1:26:15] The fact is cuz they want to be using

[1:26:16] it. I don't care if they live in Hudson,

[1:26:18] North Hudson, town of of Troy, whatever.

[1:26:22] They need a place to go to. We know

[1:26:24] that. The we we've been told. And

[1:26:26] there's other other groups that want to

[1:26:27] use it also.

[1:26:29] And and

[1:26:30] we commit and we contribute to a lot of

[1:26:33] organizations with our annual

[1:26:34] fundraising for Pepper Fest that they

[1:26:37] came back to us and said we need a

[1:26:38] building something like this.

[1:26:40] And this building can have two events

[1:26:42] going at one time and that is the

[1:26:43] purpose behind it.

[1:26:45] » Can I ask another question?

[1:26:47] » I'm going to have to stop.

[1:26:48] Cuz the fact is we're getting into

[1:26:50] debates. This is exactly what we we had

[1:26:52] last

[1:26:52] » I I do have a question.

[1:26:53] » The

[1:26:54] Please go ahead. Last one.

[1:26:55] » So,

[1:26:57] how is and I understand that you guys

[1:26:59] have

[1:27:00] uh spaces for parking.

[1:27:03] But as also addressed in one of the

[1:27:05] earlier topics, people can park on the

[1:27:08] street, correct? And so what my question

[1:27:10] is is how are we going to address

[1:27:12] [clears throat] on-street parking and

[1:27:13] traffic? Because I understand that

[1:27:17] Monroe is the only street that has a

[1:27:19] stoplight. Monroe is the busiest street

[1:27:22] besides 35 in North Hudson. Monroe also,

[1:27:25] starting the last week of October or

[1:27:27] August, will also be getting much busier

[1:27:29] with the closure of Fulton.

[1:27:32] And then you're adding this on top of

[1:27:33] it. My 8-year-old daughter walks to and

[1:27:36] from school every single day.

[1:27:38] And I walk her every single morning. And

[1:27:41] our chief uh patrols every single day

[1:27:44] because it is an unsafe street.

[1:27:47] Because people are flying up and down

[1:27:48] the road and there's tons of traffic.

[1:27:51] And so you add something like this and

[1:27:52] you're adding additional traffic and

[1:27:54] parking. So my question is how is that

[1:27:57] being addressed? I understand the lots

[1:27:59] and the spaces you guys have specked

[1:28:01] out, but how is the rest of it going to

[1:28:03] be controlled?

[1:28:04] » Well, [clears throat] the intention is

[1:28:05] there are no parking on Monroe Street.

[1:28:06] That's the intentions.

[1:28:09] The parking will be back here.

[1:28:11] » So,

[1:28:12] I'm

[1:28:13] can't really put up no parking signs on

[1:28:14] the road.

[1:28:15] » No, you can't. And I can't deny and I

[1:28:17] but

[1:28:17] » Want to park closer to the door,

[1:28:19] possibly.

[1:28:20] » Right.

[1:28:21] » Um I'm in 711, we're on the other side

[1:28:23] of Manzanita.

[1:28:24] » Yep.

[1:28:25] » Um

[1:28:26] we have

[1:28:28] this is our last year was our first

[1:28:29] Pepper Fest in our home. Uh

[1:28:33] it was problematic

[1:28:36] just in just on Saturday. Just uh wife

[1:28:40] works on Saturdays.

[1:28:41] She came and we got get back in the

[1:28:42] driveway and there was someone halfway

[1:28:44] blocking our driveway.

[1:28:46] Um

[1:28:48] I'm I'm I worry about parking on

[1:28:51] the street as well.

[1:28:52] That is a big concern cuz

[1:28:55] my journey started it's

[1:28:57] it's very busy on a

[1:28:58] » Tim Tim, is that something we could take

[1:28:59] to someone on the board and say no

[1:29:02] parking [clears throat] from here to the

[1:29:03] Yeah, well

[1:29:05] we're we're

[1:29:06] I mean we're trying to make it work,

[1:29:08] right?

[1:29:10] Well, that's

[1:29:10] » Maybe it's permit only.

[1:29:12] » Yeah, now we're getting into we're

[1:29:13] getting Yeah, all right. So, I

[1:29:15] appreciate you guys' comments and this

[1:29:16] is just in for more information for you

[1:29:18] guys to see.

[1:29:19] » Informational question.

[1:29:21] » Yes.

[1:29:21] » What is the capacity inside, do you

[1:29:24] think?

[1:29:24] » Uh 250. It's It's two No, it's 212,

[1:29:28] right?

[1:29:29] » Well, under 250.

[1:29:30] » Yeah, it's 212.

[1:29:31] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:29:32] » What are you going to name it?

[1:29:34] » It's still not determined yet.

[1:29:36] » [clears throat]

[1:29:38] » Cuz we sold our house.

[1:29:39] » There will be something in there with

[1:29:40] that name on it. I can tell you that.

[1:29:43] » All right.

[1:29:44] » We know that. So.

[1:29:46] » Will there be an opportunity for public

[1:29:49] conversation and feedback on this topic?

[1:29:54] » Um all I can say is that we're going to

[1:29:56] keep coming back and forth giving more

[1:29:58] information, so

[1:30:00] this

[1:30:00] » Outside of just informational

[1:30:03] presentation,

[1:30:04] so like some of the earlier topics, how

[1:30:07] some of the community members were able

[1:30:08] to come up and speak, will there be an

[1:30:10] opportunity for this topic to also have

[1:30:12] community members come up and speak and

[1:30:14] share?

[1:30:15] » Um, [clears throat] possibly, we'll see.

[1:30:17] I can see if they can be open session on

[1:30:18] this, but open hearing, I mean

[1:30:22] Yeah.

[1:30:23] » I want to see the status of the

[1:30:25] approvals.

[1:30:25] » Yeah, yep, we'll have to see.

[1:30:27] Definitely.

[1:30:29] Michelle, quick.

[1:30:31] » Um,

[1:30:31] I would just say that this is the first

[1:30:33] that I heard that you were doing this.

[1:30:36] Sounds great to me.

[1:30:38] So

[1:30:39] » Thank you, Michelle.

[1:30:40] Okay, um, that's all. We're going to

[1:30:42] move on to routine business. Anything on

[1:30:44] routine business by anybody more on the

[1:30:45] board?

[1:30:47] All right, with that we adjourn at 7:32.

[1:30:50] Thank you all for attending, appreciate

[1:30:51] that. Thank you.

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