[0:14] Second.

[0:15] Second.

[0:16] Second.

[0:16] Mr. Narsdale.

[0:20] Yes.

[0:21] Yes.

[0:23] Anybody want to start that?

[0:30] At this time, we would like to offer the public a chance to comment on any matters not for the will and the seed.

[0:44] If not, we're going to move into our very first application this evening, and that's going to be 1126 stronghold development.

[0:52] If you would search for a joint attempt to...

[0:56] I was at Mr. Smith at that copy, and he said, then he's going to do that somehow, right?

[0:59] That'd be great, thank you.

[1:01] What was I going to try to do?

[1:02] If you had to do something, I'm going to throw it at you.

[1:03] Appreciate it.

[1:04] Yeah, of course.

[1:06] Thank you.

[1:07] Good.

[1:08] Thank you.

[1:09] Thank you.

[1:10] Thank you.

[1:22] If

[1:29] you would please sit in front of the mites of the phone so we can hear each other.

[1:34] Thank you.

[1:35] Yes, thank you.

[1:36] My name is Garenit.

[1:37] I will open the partners in our show.

[1:38] I hope so.

[1:39] Thank you.

[1:40] Thank you.

[1:41] Thank you.

[1:42] Thank you.

[1:43] Thank you.

[1:45] Thank you.

[1:49] Thank you.

[1:50] Little birds and slight ones.

[1:51] If you could take a screw, you're a bozol in your own words,

[1:55] we'd appreciate that.

[1:57] Okay, so pretty much, you found a property.

[2:00] My company's actually a college instruction.

[2:02] If I'm not part of that, I've been actually

[2:03] doing that a lot.

[2:03] I'm just having an empty street for the living sale.

[2:07] I do want to look at Dan and say so.

[2:08] So I'm asking me to offer a birthday.

[2:11] We're looking to keep the integrity of the house

[2:12] and we're looking to the street.

[2:13] I'll see what the new exterior is.

[2:15] It's like a product, a platform.

[2:17] Looking to maintain the same spacing.

[2:19] You don't have five inches in similar window trim.

[2:23] We're going to replace the new windows with the same burglar.

[2:26] You see on the end of the plants,

[2:28] we're looking to keep the integrity of the roof,

[2:29] the way it's designed, as well as the ease.

[2:32] We're going to try to replicate that as we head out to the back of the structure.

[2:36] You'll see that in the pictures of the photos.

[2:38] There's a one-story roof in the back.

[2:41] The end wall, which is fall apart,

[2:44] so we clean out the house right out in the mall.

[2:46] that we know.

[2:47] That's some, some migrant care looking to get the final approval.

[2:50] So, the goal is to do two-story addition on top of the foundation in the back, in a partial

[2:55] closet, which will be over the garage, only far enough because it arrived, obviously,

[2:59] is being set back to pre-existing, so the second story, you have to come form, which is

[3:04] to the way Daniel and my plans are, but

[3:15] believe you've gotten the insight, you're going to let

[3:17] you go and bump into the shield of this foundation.

[3:19] and house on us. He was the district

[3:21] apparently inside. It was like a

[3:23] horrible thing to show me. She

[3:24] don't think that we know that stuff.

[3:27] It was all that stuff. I mean, got

[3:29] a video. I'm ready to start with

[3:31] your own.

[3:43] Very thing lighter of

[3:44] this promise. Can I

[3:45] say anything else?

[3:53] It keeps all the movement. We got it.

[3:58] One of the important

[4:04] So the addition is right out of the back is is almost entirely out of that.

[4:09] Yeah.

[4:10] Yeah.

[4:10] The foundation.

[4:12] Footprint of the building is changing or not.

[4:15] Footprint is staying the same.

[4:16] Okay.

[4:16] So this is just your.

[4:17] Yeah.

[4:17] We're taking the back.

[4:18] Is on the second floor of the first calendar.

[4:21] You have to feed just a little more space.

[4:23] We're trying to create a support version of this.

[4:25] You know, just to fit the neighborhood and family.

[5:03] So it's a plan that the windows will just have a divided light on top and then open on the bottom.

[5:08] I was actually going to do a center bar and top and bottom sash for the real hot bottom.

[5:12] Okay.

[5:13] Yeah, I like that better.

[5:14] Yeah, when you keep the same window lined up on the front just because you know,

[5:17] I kind of like the character of the house and that's the next version of the character.

[5:20] So we're going to maintain the window placement,

[5:23] doing the difference in the window.

[5:23] We're going to shift the frontal action center.

[5:25] It's all set up now for whatever reason for orders to go.

[5:28] So we're going to just establish that to a center, you know, center front door.

[5:31] nice three-foot-width door. No sign lights. We're going to take the kind of look that it is now.

[5:36] So, you know, the double-hungs on the front of the house will be two over two.

[5:41] Yeah, there'll be a single work of art, yet two over two.

[5:44] Is the front of the house still the same if this is just showing like the extension of that?

[5:50] Or is it going to be still the same front of the house?

[5:54] Yeah, the roof line is going to state that online discussion of roof line.

[5:57] I was trying to maintain things as they ease the way they're trimmed out above and restrain down when I swore I was trying to pay

[6:03] I was the ordinance. I'll try to match it. I do the basket. I'm starting to throw off the system.

[6:23] I'm going to do the chain elevation V about the position once it's connected.

[6:27] That's compared to what this currently is.

[6:28] The front elevation won't change at all. I'm going to take one of those and put it back in the same openings.

[6:33] Same with that. Look, he said, where they are.

[6:34] It's only in front or it's going to change from the front view.

[6:37] keep in the front porch, couldn't restore everything but then I get the same line, you know, if you look at that, if you're tearing off a 24, that place is going to stay the same right line because you found these guys in the back.

[6:49] So I'm going to be getting the same roof line beside the layout. So what you see in the front way that we call it, the motion way.

[6:54] The way it steps off, I'll do the same thing on the rear of the house, two to minimum front of the house.

[7:26] The

[7:31] window configuration on the rear of the house looks like we're obviously adding

[7:38] adding it in, but we're adding Windows on site.

[7:44] Yeah, so the new part, the first one was there.

[7:48] That'll still be, you know, the kitchen, the kitchen was there and the bigger kitchen.

[7:52] So you're being tentable.

[7:53] The casing was over the kitchen, it's safe.

[7:55] And then the second floor, less similar with us to the front.

[7:57] Right from egress, they'll be a certain size.

[7:59] When they're like the front of the house, that'll be the master bedroom.

[8:01] I can't really tell how,

[8:07] How prominent the ship route is off the back of the house.

[8:13] We're a little overhanging the gap over my car.

[8:16] You mean the cannelly?

[8:17] Yes, you do.

[8:17] It's going to be just a piece of paper.

[8:19] Stay stay on the cannelly.

[8:20] And that's like the local police structures.

[8:23] Yeah.

[8:23] We still will hang on the river.

[8:24] We'll go to the public.

[8:24] Global levels and I think we'll be solving by ducking.

[8:27] Nothing more to face there.

[8:29] Champion owner.

[8:29] Ask both shingles on that to match the rest of the game.

[8:32] Yeah.

[8:32] Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[8:38] Yeah. I don't know if we're going to go with metal. It's for

[8:39] importantly, the thought of battery. You know, maybe maybe maybe some kind of

[8:43] belt. Maybe look nice and just get the asphalt. Um, that's, you know, as

[8:47] important for you guys tonight to this, you know, the discussed, but then and I

[8:50] could kick it out around.

[8:53] We'll kind of pitch use that on the front. It's

[8:56] it's law, it's maybe like a forearm. You know, and then I've good enough to shingle,

[9:00] right? I'm confident shins on your water problems, but I'm sure I can go to

[9:04] nice and metal on a two made look nice but yeah everything

[9:10] else would be

[9:11] asked for 100% from the drawings it looks like you know whatever you do

[9:15] decide to put it over the porch would be some with this yeah yeah I wanted to

[9:19] make it dress here 100% yeah the plan at this point would be to use ask for what you

[9:24] might you know I'm afraid that I'll take a man look nice

[9:27] You know,

[9:33] even

[9:40] if we're gonna fall for sure in good shape, we're gonna keep all that so we can keep what we can.

[9:46] What kind of material are you using on the deck?

[9:49] Well, the deck actually, it's mahogany, so I'm just gonna sand and refinished it.

[9:52] It's all mahogany, you know, your typical porch deck and right tongue will move.

[9:56] Okay.

[9:56] That's what we're looking for.

[9:58] It's got a tongue-room pine ceiling.

[10:00] So, yeah.

[10:01] Same thing I would do if I was in a scratch.

[10:04] It's nice.

[10:07] I'm sorry, I meant the rear deck. Oh wow. I'll probably do like um like I did up the street for the

[10:13] ones. I probably do like Mahogany shouldn't that. I'm like a Mahogany looking backing. I'm positive.

[10:18] Yeah. I like the vintage Mahogany and look. Some of them are talking in the house, you know, for sure.

[10:46] Are the rest of your windows the light cuts on and consistent all the things we actually have to do?

[10:52] All would be a nice center and my center for the top bottom. Yeah.

[10:54] And we're all going to be serious for one hundred million. Yes. Yeah, I believe we're going to probably do like I'm sure in the front of the house

[11:00] That you typically does when they hand you signs these are going to the street probably the SDL for the front the simulate by the light

[11:06] And I may do you know some some of them even find like productive on the rest of the house

[11:09] But definitely in front like you drew up the street, you know emails very well with what's required. So that'll be that the bar

[11:15] You know I'll slide you know the SDL look

[11:32] I'll set.

[11:33] This Rodriguez may have motion to go through and this gas section.

[11:38] Mr Rodriguez.

[11:40] Yes.

[11:41] Can you miss the van Aarddale?

[11:43] Yes.

[11:44] And this gas.

[11:45] Yes.

[11:46] Okay.

[11:46] You have a approval.

[11:48] Within the next couple of days, I will get a new letter.

[11:53] Even that.

[11:53] And you can take that and we're going to do it again.

[11:56] Yeah, that's your blog, but you got it.

[11:59] Thank you for your time.

[12:00] Thank you very much.

[12:01] Thank you.

[12:02] Thank you.

[12:04] Thank you.

[12:09] I'd like to take about a five minute recess before we get into the department of meeting.

[12:16] All right.

[12:21] What's the other six?

[12:23] There's no expected.

[12:24] You only go on that.

[12:25] But we won't.

[12:26] Yes.

[12:49] We're going to go into executive session for a few minutes.

[13:53] that's right.

[13:55] That's right.

[13:56] We're good.

[13:58] We

[14:02] want to join in.

[14:06] Oh, that's a good idea.

[14:07] Back is for that.

[14:11] Yes.

[14:12] That right.

[14:13] Did he change his.

[14:14] This one's.

[14:15] That's the.

[14:16] I would say.

[14:18] I mean, it's yours.

[14:20] Well,

[14:22] it's started.

[14:23] The.

[14:24] The government.

[14:26] Okay.

[14:27] Is that the one you submitted previously?

[14:28] That's what I know.

[14:31] Yes, then that's the one you have in your back.

[14:33] Yeah.

[14:34] Okay.

[14:35] So, Bill Pauline is not part of the quote-unquote old mother house.

[14:41] We talked about that property, the worst carpet.

[14:44] Not the new comp that was developed in 2018, but the one that was prior.

[14:47] Bill Pauline is not the same problem.

[14:49] I talk about the structure of something.

[14:52] I mean, that's the old Cromwell House.

[14:56] Is that what you're asking me?

[14:57] The oak from the house is now.

[15:00] Now call the bill of polling. It is bill of polling. Right. And that is not the old mother house convent. It's very boring, close to it. Actually, it's an upside to the 23 A. It was, it was, it was the one that there's temporal abuse on the temporary basis of the decision. Yes, the night, early night. Okay. Yeah. That is not, but that is not the convent that we're talking about as the old mother house for lack of that term. Yeah. It's, we're calling the old mother house now.

[15:31] I don't have a code copy in front of you, but the garbys that you're referring to, I think

[15:40] this page 9 is an aerial map.

[15:43] Where are the gardens and relations to the point about this?

[15:48] Page 9, if you were reporting, June 15th, is there anything else you want to say?

[15:56] So, if you look on page two of what I submitted, the June 15th of 12th.

[16:03] No, today, sorry about that.

[16:06] That's right.

[16:07] The reason why I wanted to talk about it in the page nine here is because it shows

[16:10] the old mother house and the new mother house has an end point for villa police

[16:15] and it's got all the role of those meetings.

[16:17] That's the reason why I wanted to refer to it at one of the times.

[16:22] Page nine of the two dancing reports, figure seven.

[16:29] And what is your question?

[16:31] Yeah, so see the guards that he were referring to

[16:33] that are to pick us, the page two of your

[16:37] seminal today and of our honesty.

[16:39] Where are they located on this map?

[16:41] So they are to the,

[16:44] okay, let's assume that North is at the top.

[16:48] They are to the west and south of

[16:54] vilipolline.

[16:55] And if you look on page two

[16:57] of what of the presentation that's on that's on the screen yes see how it says

[17:03] Italian gardens on that that's where they are and that yellow is

[17:08] filipoli okay the bill of Pauline is mark next to Bernard's well right no but

[17:17] on your map it is that's why I'm confused search all rows on the bottom

[17:26] I'm referring to the map from picker 9, picker 7 on page 9, and we're doing the 2-digit.

[17:34] Yes, the star is where, that's Villa Coli.

[17:38] Yes.

[17:39] And you said the lower garden, and it's just where the gardens are.

[17:45] That's the map that's helpful for me.

[17:47] Not the old map, that's why I'm trying to say that.

[17:49] Can I come out to you?

[18:14] or no. So you're indicating roughly around bigger

[18:19] were the stars right?

[18:21] Right between the old mother asked

[18:23] did the mother ask?

[18:25] No, no, no.

[18:27] They go up.

[18:28] No, between the

[18:28] the

[18:28] the and the

[18:31] and will of Pauline is where they are.

[18:34] There are kind of behind them.

[18:52] So I have a question.

[18:53] It's safe to say that the Italian

[18:55] gardens are shared by

[18:57] bill of Pauline and the board.

[18:58] If you want to speak or ask

[19:01] questions, you have to

[19:02] I'm like, well, I'm sorry.

[19:04] No, it's for the record.

[19:05] So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[19:06] I'll state your name and...

[19:09] You can pull a chair up to two with these.

[19:11] No, I won't do it, I'll see.

[19:12] You can do it.

[19:14] So, I dare you to start thinking.

[19:16] Gene Blohrman, 420, 415T Burns, well, ain't it?

[19:20] But your last name, please?

[19:21] Yeah, G-O-R-R-M-A-N.

[19:25] I just had a point of clarification.

[19:28] I have a point of clarification in regards

[19:32] to where the Italian gardens are located,

[19:36] given the fact that I walked the property extensively.

[19:39] They're basically, my understanding is, my, or my thought is,

[19:44] they're literally right between the old mother house,

[19:48] Malenclot Convent, and Villa Polly, and slightly behind them.

[19:53] But they're shared by the two buildings, it's my point.

[19:57] Okay, thank you.

[20:04] So that paper roadway, we call it paper roadway,

[20:08] it is Thunder, Fish, or Roadway.

[20:09] Is it to the south of that paper roadway?

[20:11] I'm just trying to understand exactly what they are.

[20:13] At least you told me.

[20:14] North.

[20:15] They're north of the paper roadway.

[20:17] Okay.

[20:18] And in which we did new content.

[20:21] Right, that was built in 2018 now.

[20:24] No, no, no, no, no, no.

[20:25] Old.

[20:26] The old.

[20:27] The old.

[20:27] I had that old one.

[20:29] Yeah.

[20:29] Okay.

[20:30] So the location is in Mallon Park, it's in Philadelphia, and then the New Modern House.

[20:37] They're basically all in a row.

[20:40] Okay,

[20:45] when do you anticipate getting some feedback on your application?

[20:51] Yeah, it's on the state.

[20:53] The state has finally hired some new people because it has taken a very long time in the past.

[21:02] I mean, when I say a very long time, I mean a year, last summer, I got a response to something

[21:12] I had submitted this summer before. They have hired new people, so I can't imagine it's

[21:16] going to be 12 months, but I really don't know. I'm sure that there is some sort of federal,

[21:21] there is probably a rule that says within 45 days you need to respond, but I don't know

[21:29] that they adhere to that.

[21:31] So I don't know.

[21:33] Does your application provide any kind of a stay

[21:38] on development of the property in any way?

[21:42] Not at all.

[21:42] And I mean, really, Nord is listing.

[21:46] Because it's going to be private money anyway.

[21:50] Listing on the state or national register,

[21:53] unless there's public funds somehow involved,

[21:55] But listing doesn't do anything either.

[22:00] Well, we've even seen with public funds sometimes.

[22:04] So that doesn't necessarily limit what happens to you.

[22:11] Well, so what it does, you know, what we say in preservationists,

[22:15] we're not trying to stop change, we're trying to manage it.

[22:18] And so, what listing could conceivably do is say, hey, those guardians, they're important

[22:28] keep them, that the convent building that's important, keep it, and so it could provide

[22:38] some guardrails and frame what can be developed in what can.

[22:43] Yeah.

[22:46] Okay.

[22:47] Well, for anybody that's ever done business with our group here, they would know that, generally

[22:53] speaking, we don't like to knock down store buildings.

[23:00] Some things have been taken down recently.

[23:05] I wasn't in favor of any of them, but we have a democratic process here, and that's the

[23:13] way it works.

[23:14] But I'd like to hear more about what you're looking to accomplish and what you think we

[23:29] might be able to provide to you.

[23:32] We do need to do this all in a very transparent way and that's why Mr. Test is here with us.

[23:41] And some of the things that you would ask us to consider in your original letter were

[23:50] going to be difficult for us to do, but it seems like you have some different things

[23:59] about different things that you might like this to look at, and I'm hoping I did today.

[24:09] Can I give you a sample draft?

[24:13] And then regardless of what we want to see in the application,

[24:16] I'm not sure if that's getting so.

[24:18] So our main request tonight is if you could just endorse our application to begin to

[24:27] do that.

[24:34] Can you guys should pop in that?

[24:36] I'll put it in the file.

[24:38] Yeah.

[24:38] I'll give you a minute.

[24:40] So,

[25:01] as I said in my opening remarks, this has nothing to do but we're not asking you to

[25:08] take any decision on the pending or future developments.

[25:13] And this letter only applies to the eligibility signature, sorry.

[25:36] You would provide this to the same folks that are reviewing your application, is that the

[25:43] the purpose of this letter or no letter, this letter is in fourth place.

[25:48] No, but you would be, you would be coming from you as the chair of the HBC.

[25:55] So you want us to send to provide this letter to the, to the, to the, to the, to the HP.

[26:01] Oh, that is the letter is going to be like in your app, okay?

[26:03] Yeah, that's just a sample, you can, of course, drop your own, but this is what we are hoping,

[26:10] okay.

[26:11] But this is the basic outline of what you're looking at.

[26:24] I think your support will go a long way.

[26:32] What else can we do for you tonight?

[26:34] Do you understand it or so I can't?

[26:37] I'm not able to tell you yes or no right at this particular moment.

[26:41] But we will, you know, we need to see the entire application that you file with the DEP, for sure, including any report for the person on the previously provided to us, obviously we want that report.

[26:57] So everything that was submitted to the DEP for their state's preservation opinion.

[27:04] We want to we want to see the first before that the chair will be able to do anything to come in one

[27:14] I'm safe

[27:15] I want to read this to I've wanted to understand and some of the other items in there

[27:20] I think you've answered a lot of the questions that we have already on this

[27:26] So that the most important thing that maybe more questions, let's receive that

[27:29] What else can we do for you

[27:36] Thank you.

[27:37] Thank you for your time.

[27:39] Okay.

[27:39] Thank you.

[27:40] The more we talk about this property, at least for me, it's an education.

[27:48] I know you might think that we know what an awful lot of that was.

[27:56] You know, what's going on with this property.

[27:59] But speaking for myself, I mean, I get second-handed.

[28:03] and you folks are, I think, probably closer to what's actually happening within now.

[28:11] And the details of the property and the buildings and that information about that view is because

[28:21] the property is not typical of the properties that we do or the views that we've been, which

[28:30] often they're very visible and out of the plain sighted.

[28:34] The idea of my idea was that when he actually looked at the 20th century or

[28:39] part of the big development, it stops here and right there would be a little

[28:44] bullying. I mean it's like a few yards away. So I wondered how long

[28:50] the bullying would stay if this development or so was too.

[28:57] Can you also provide us with a copy of the survey that you had

[29:01] a reference scenario to sub, was it the summer set,

[29:04] or some of the olds work work,

[29:05] I'd like to see that.

[29:06] Okay.

[29:07] Because that obviously is not binding on this

[29:09] or preservation commission.

[29:10] It's not all regulations that are developed on the workments.

[29:14] I don't even know how the context was raised.

[29:15] Do you know how that context was raised?

[29:17] Like what the...

[29:17] Yeah, I don't, like who hired him to create

[29:20] this overarching document, I don't know.

[29:24] Okay, because I, when I looked at it,

[29:26] there was a reference in an FCC application.

[29:29] I think it was a reference to the tower, the tower, the tower, where the tower itself was.

[29:37] And that is why the architecturalist historian who did that one

[29:45] thought that the convent would be eligible.

[29:50] But that's as far as that one went.

[29:53] Yeah, I'd like to see, you know, see, well, frankly, that's certainly the reference.

[29:58] And I...

[30:00] Do you have the one that resulted in the, do you have that application for the antenna? But you do because I, because I have that as well. But you have it. Okay.

[30:17] No, it's, I've got to tell you it's a, it's a really remarkable property. I mean, you know, as a historian, I don't often get hit after hit, like information, information, prominent architect.

[30:32] like you know written about in the magazine it's like it doesn't you know you get one of those I got them all here

[30:39] I mean it's it's a it's a it's a it's a remarkable property

[30:42] mm-hmm it's a property that it's gonna be worth a walk around just to look at it

[30:46] there's a number of things I should be able to do

[30:50] yeah I wanted to

[30:52] I mean we do it to do it through a rate of admissions

[30:55] it's probably a thing about that

[30:56] okay

[30:59] You'd be up for a win.

[31:00] I really want to, I mean, are there some events that you have?

[31:07] Oh, there's not sure.

[31:08] Yeah, there's not really an event, the concert that I had coming up.

[31:12] Yeah, so really, the day was open to the public.

[31:17] Yeah.

[31:17] They had a carnival there, and I just, I missed it by a day.

[31:23] Anyway, so yeah, I think they do do stuff there.

[31:26] Yeah. Is it next week? In the next week?

[31:28] In the next week?

[31:29] Yes, I think in my 20s or 26s.

[31:31] It should be sore, because we...

[31:34] Because I might do that.

[31:35] I don't know.

[31:37] I tried to do a stealth mission.

[31:39] Well, this is due to the fundraiser.

[31:43] And my car kind of broke down a little bit.

[31:45] Like on the rock.

[31:46] I mean, this is embarrassing.

[31:47] So I had my teenager's car.

[31:51] I was not slow.

[31:53] Well, because like there was like a cat, I don't know, it doesn't matter.

[31:57] If you could get us that information on your application so we can evaluate this and write

[32:08] all for you.

[32:10] What's the point?

[32:12] Thank you.

[32:12] There's someone.

[32:13] Join us anytime.

[32:15] Thank you.

[32:19] There's someone.

[32:20] Join us anytime.

[32:38] There's someone.

[32:39] things you'll be all right thank you still

[32:46] chairman asked we discussed it discussion

[32:53] I just noticed that there are some

[32:59] internal now I will be in the past resolution all right so the private

[33:06] The residents are also concerned with the residential board.

[33:10] Let us have support.

[33:13] Thank you.

[33:15] I think we'll...

[33:18] Level motion.

[33:19] Motion to adjourn.

[33:20] Mr. Ravegan has been in motion.

[33:22] I'll second that.

[33:23] Second.

[33:23] All in favor.

[33:24] Hi.

[33:25] Can I get those?

[33:28] Yes.

[33:29] You're watching Mendem TV.

[33:34] The television station of the Mendems on Verizon Channel 22, Comcast Channel 29, and streaming

[33:42] on MendemTV.org

Borough Historic Preservation Commission Meeting — July 20, 2026

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