[0:54] Okay, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is the meeting of August 6th, 2018. It's like board meeting, starting off with a workshop agenda. I'd like to introduce the board before that, however.

[1:09] My extreme left is Jeannie Faerister. Hello. Next to her is Ray Moritz.

[1:16] Good afternoon.

[1:18] Good afternoon.

[1:20] I'm Jonathan James and Phil Warren, town manager.

[1:23] Good afternoon.

[1:25] Our first agenda is W18-25, the 2018 update in 2019 budget discussion.

[1:36] I think I will turn it over to Phil.

[1:38] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:39] And I know that great be the guy that probably

[1:41] catch it, if there's any screwups in this, blame me.

[1:44] It's my first time producing this report.

[1:49] You have an expenditure report in front of you

[1:51] that you should be produced by the, by the friend of the

[1:54] administrative services director, that position is not filled

[1:57] as of yet.

[2:00] But I wanted to do this as well as lead into the budget.

[2:04] As you can see, in the expenditure side,

[2:07] I did highlight some items,

[2:12] we really are in a good position for this time of year.

[2:16] We don't have anything of any significance that sticks out that we can't adjust to.

[2:23] I will tell you I did highlight a couple of items really briefly just so that you could see

[2:28] where we do have some outliers and where we do have some good news in some cases.

[2:34] I think it could probably be easier if you folks have any questions.

[2:40] I wish it that way.

[2:41] Mr. Tim.

[2:43] Next time.

[2:44] Yes, you may.

[2:45] Okay.

[2:46] Page three under computer hardware.

[2:49] The unencumbered $12,000.

[2:53] Okay.

[2:53] We had to replace our VPN device.

[2:59] We had to update our virus software to the new version this year and we also had to

[3:07] renew some service contracts for a lot of our items for a multi-year period that we did not.

[3:13] It wasn't planned for when we put the budget together.

[3:17] And on page for the millfoil, usually that's in and out, isn't it?

[3:22] There's a reserve that's attached to that.

[3:24] And again, that's part of my apology.

[3:27] I don't know, at this point I was uncomfortable accessing it because there's probably a correct

[3:34] adventure that needs to be made that shows it's for money we have in a reserve for this.

[3:39] So, this is not, you know, truly an overexpended joke.

[3:45] And I want to kind of blows my minds on page 8, that's General's systems, is that all we've

[3:53] mental far. I see that kind of slowly.

[3:58] Our general assistance person, Linda LaBranie, is extremely proactive and aggressive in making

[4:04] sure that we are spending friends in the right place for the right reasons.

[4:09] That's pretty cheap.

[4:12] Because it's usually a little more than that.

[4:14] Yes, it is.

[4:15] I'll leave that.

[4:16] But we also have some reserves that we've been able to access as it relates to donations that

[4:22] receive the turn up the heat program we use for fuel assistance so we're not hitting the

[4:28] budget. We're using those items also.

[4:31] Okay, I'll turn it over to someone else. I'm sure there are other questions. Thank you, Mr.

[4:35] Chairman.

[4:36] I just follow up to that question on general donations.

[4:42] On the fuel assistance donations, can

[4:45] Can you explain that to me, is that your mic on?

[4:49] It is.

[4:51] All right, can you hear me now?

[4:55] Thank you.

[4:57] Can you explain that to me so that the line that says fuel assistance?

[5:02] We have a line in there for appropriation, but at the end of the year, we apply the donations

[5:06] towards it once we accept all of them.

[5:09] So that basically zeros out, and then we have, because there's a reserve that's set up for

[5:14] donations that we've received. Is there a balance in the fuel assistance program?

[5:20] Yeah. And I, that's another one of those things. I'll get it for you, but I just

[5:24] couldn't, and I put this one. Okay. So the reason I ask is that every year that

[5:30] we hold that fundraiser,

[5:35] we split it between three communities. And we got feedback

[5:39] that the towns are not spending at all, that they're not seeing the need. Is that true?

[5:51] Oh, we're seeing the need. We're just the opposite. We're seeing the need. Absolutely.

[5:56] So, and the reason I asked the question is, as the committee meets again soon, we're looking at

[6:03] How do we read just of the three communities?

[6:06] Do we have to change the, I guess the funding?

[6:10] Like the allocation.

[6:11] Right.

[6:12] Let me get the balance for you so you can see where it is.

[6:15] But remember, this is not, this isn't, because we're in the data summary you think it's done,

[6:20] it's not.

[6:20] We still have to roll into November and December of this which would be contained in this

[6:26] budget and would be part of that donation that was provided this year.

[6:30] Okay.

[6:31] So we've got, like, when you look at, like, in this

[6:33] ties to public work side, and we still have, you know,

[6:37] I'm told by no more so, no longer in December to go for it.

[6:40] So there's going to be more expenditures out of that.

[6:42] Okay.

[6:43] Thank you.

[6:44] But I will check, but I can tell you just from my experience,

[6:49] we spend it.

[6:50] We have a need for it.

[6:52] Okay, good, thank you.

[6:53] Thank you.

[6:55] Yeah.

[6:56] I have a question I guess I'll raise it's the same thing I raised prior years and it's still true.

[7:04] I'm sorry to say it I don't find this report very useful or meaningful.

[7:09] It shows us the percentage of the total budget but we have items in here that are already spent 100% of their budget.

[7:16] But they only have one bill a year of February and they should have spent 100%.

[7:20] So I don't know if that's a good or bad since I didn't know that the bill was in February.

[7:24] We also have other things in here that are a zero percent and I could think that we're

[7:29] way ahead in saving money but the fact is the bill that bill isn't in yet.

[7:34] So unless you can show us a monthly budget and a year-to-date budget where we are compared

[7:39] to those, these percentages of budget just don't mean anything that there's not enough information

[7:46] to tell us if we're in good shape or bad.

[7:52] Don't you build up a monthly budget?

[7:55] I assume everybody in business who doesn't

[7:57] annual budget starts by months, I think.

[8:00] No, what we do is it's an annual amount,

[8:02] and then we analyze.

[8:03] We've run this report monthly.

[8:06] I agree with you Ray,

[8:07] but there's some other things too in here

[8:10] that you can't tell people

[8:12] when they're going to ask the money,

[8:14] like the Humane Society, when they get the

[8:16] budget, so forth like that.

[8:18] I know that's a problem.

[8:19] I think what we've always looked at in the past is at this point in time, which is 7-12.

[8:27] 7-12 is 58 percent, so what we're looking at is 58 percent of the budget being spent.

[8:33] That's about where we can be.

[8:34] The total we're about right on target.

[8:37] That's in aggregate, but all these line items you can't tell much of anything from any one of them.

[8:44] I can run this same report.

[8:46] You'll run it by period, which is a month.

[8:48] I can run this report for every month at this size, but don't you, in the course of building the budget for the year, don't you lay it out by month?

[8:56] No, we lay it out by year.

[8:58] How do you manage cash flow? How do you know if you're going to have enough money?

[9:00] Run it once we run it once a month.

[9:04] Run this report once a month.

[9:06] How do you predict your cash flow?

[9:08] No, we run this report once a month and it tells us where we are.

[9:11] And we have that information historic.

[9:14] So I run this in period one, it shows that we've

[9:18] expanded so much period two, three, which is every month, right?

[9:21] So we do the same thing every year.

[9:24] So if you have a lot of expenditures that are in a particular month,

[9:29] a good example would be the ones that you mentioned.

[9:32] Nate, the various organizations that we help fund.

[9:38] Once we approve that budget, many of them get paid.

[9:41] Some don't get paid until they ask for the money, but they need to get paid.

[9:45] So that's got to be a big hit on cash flow.

[9:49] Really isn't our biggest hit is the county payment and the school budget.

[9:54] The school budget is a million of change once a month.

[9:57] Usually in the last week of the year.

[9:59] Last week of the month.

[10:00] Because it's not in the budget, I remember we collect that.

[10:04] So unless we have a problem when we do the revenue reporting for the taxation piece,

[10:11] It's not an issue for us.

[10:13] If we have a revenue problem with the taxes, then we go back and dig deep into it.

[10:18] In my experience, not just in this community, other communities, I guess I've been

[10:24] fortunate to have a work in communities that have had a problem, but we analyze it every

[10:28] month.

[10:31] Yeah, you can't tell on any one account or a weekend at least if it's a trouble unless it's

[10:37] already over 100%.

[10:39] It's the only flag we get.

[10:41] All right.

[10:43] Well, no.

[10:43] I mean, if a budget sits 75% or if it's especially a labor line items at 80% or 90% we know that's something that's a problem.

[10:53] And when I say budget rate, I mean a whole budget, not just certain line items.

[10:56] But you've got dozens in here that are 100% and they're not in trouble.

[10:59] No, because they have one time expenditures.

[11:01] That's what I'm talking about.

[11:03] 100%.

[11:03] We can't tell if that's a good thing.

[11:05] And that's what I said, if you want me to run this thing for every month I can, but it's a huge report.

[11:11] I don't think that's what any of us want to need monthly look at all these details.

[11:17] Well, we're going to look at a budget, I think, to see where we stand relative to the year is important.

[11:24] And that would be based on what you expected to spend in the first quarter or the first six months.

[11:29] Now, tell me you're at the statistical average for seven months, it's nice, it's useful.

[11:37] But if you were planning to only have spent a fourth of your budget by these seven months

[11:41] and all the things are back in, I'd never know if you were in trouble with 50 percent.

[11:46] We're conversely, it could be just as the other way that we're way ahead.

[11:50] But all that seems to be the mask in only looking at a percentage of the annual budget.

[11:59] I just surprised that you don't build it up from a monthly budget.

[12:03] No, because we present an annual budget.

[12:05] I've worked in four communities, Ray.

[12:07] I've never presented how to monthly budget.

[12:09] And I worked in four communities where cash flow was an issue.

[12:12] And we did revenue anticipation borrowing.

[12:15] And we monitored the revenue to make sure that we didn't run in a trouble.

[12:19] And when we saw we were going to have a problem.

[12:21] We adjusted it.

[12:21] I got a revenue anticipation note.

[12:26] You have to say I worked in more than four companies.

[12:28] and they never saw one that didn't do monthly budget to build up to an annual budget, I can't

[12:33] imagine you're like running your business without just looking at an annual number.

[12:39] We also use a different funding process, we're a fund accounting, you know, like for non-profits

[12:45] versus an our budget is based on an annual budget. And also our personnel, we budget for

[12:53] every penny of it right out of the gate, which private industry doesn't do many times.

[12:57] They put a round number in there because it fluctuates.

[13:00] Eyes doesn't fluctuate.

[13:02] We have 52 pay periods.

[13:04] We have only over time, which is budgeted in the police department.

[13:09] We don't have it in the fire here, and public works.

[13:11] Every other department, we don't budget over time for it.

[13:16] So we know right away within the pay period,

[13:19] if we're off, if there's some reason we're expanding more,

[13:22] if there's some reason we've done some personnel change

[13:25] that's not consistent with the budget, and that's the gauge right there.

[13:31] I mean, if the police over time were at a hundred percent, we'd probably have a problem.

[13:35] If the public works over time was at a hundred and twenty percent, we'd be looking at other line items.

[13:41] Yeah, but we, again, we do this, we run this thing every month.

[13:43] Then we do that analysis in the office monthly.

[13:48] Well, we don't need to continue debating it, but we certainly more meaningful to be able to know

[13:53] on some of these accounts.

[13:55] I guess that's what you're doing in highlighting some of what they are.

[14:01] But the real flag is where we are compared to what we expected to spend by now.

[14:06] And that's only here at the bottom line.

[14:09] It's a whole macro budget that we have.

[14:11] Well, I can run that report for eight months.

[14:15] And it'll show just what we do every month.

[14:18] The same report, because it's just a matter of me going in and telling it to run it, just a generator.

[14:23] But if it doesn't show what you expected to spend, it's not going to tell me anything more than this, Phil.

[14:30] Running a muslim isn't going to do me any good either, if you're telling me, you know, that you don't have a muslim, but what are you comparing it against?

[14:37] I can run it for last year, and you can compare it against that.

[14:41] I could run this report by month from last year and then you could compare it by month of this year.

[14:49] That would probably give us at least some indication of where we were.

[14:55] If you would try it, let me try it once.

[14:58] Okay.

[14:59] Okay.

[14:59] Try it once.

[15:03] I'm going to produce 20 of them if I go to August, you know, 12th of last year and then 8th of this year.

[15:13] Just do one quarter.

[15:16] I'll cut you down to six.

[15:17] Do you just want to do the first, do you don't care about the rest of the year?

[15:24] That's what you mean if this proves worthless that I wouldn't bother asking you to do 20 reports

[15:29] Okay, proves very useful then I will okay

[15:38] Mike

[15:42] Just a clarification, I guess on page

[15:45] 14 you highlighted the construction debris single now is that expenditure or how does that do when you're okay?

[15:52] That is basically you pay as you go what happens is we there's a side on the revenue side that shows the money we take in

[16:00] But there's also what it costs us to dispose of them and we said in a mile based on what we think the foot traffic is going to be for that

[16:08] We did that

[16:11] That's it and then that's one that it's pay as you go. It's not promoted

[16:16] Right, so we we're 51% which means we're in a good place

[16:21] So in other words what you take in like on the construction and if it doesn't

[16:25] paper itself is that, so we add to the budget.

[16:29] No, no, for us to be able to pay the bill, we have to have an expenditure line.

[16:34] We take money in, we have a revenue line.

[16:37] We can't, we have to look at the revenue within another screen, but I think you'll see

[16:43] that the revenue is either at or higher than what the expenditure is, why the time you get

[16:47] to the end of the year.

[16:48] I think that was my question.

[16:50] I don't sense a pound of whatever we get.

[16:51] You've got it.

[16:52] Is it covering it, or are we kicking in, or how is that part of it?

[16:55] Right now, it's covering it, but remember when you go to the next page and you see AVRDD, that's just regular trash.

[17:04] And then when you see trash disposal, again, that's just disposable solid waste.

[17:09] We budget for that, that we don't other than permits, we don't take in money for that.

[17:14] And construction debris, we don't take in money as you know for 100% of it.

[17:18] Because if you come in with a small load, you're not charged for it.

[17:23] Right. That probably understands.

[17:25] Yeah. So I guess my question comparatively.

[17:29] Some of those that, I'm just taking care of the trash at times, or does it help offset some of the...

[17:35] It does sometimes, but I'm going to pull up the revenue just to take a look at it.

[17:38] It's just that they're in separate reports.

[17:46] And again, this is my first time doing it.

[17:48] It's just reading it.

[17:58] Okay, if you were to look at demolition recycling, okay?

[18:04] which is on page, well, the pages are different in yours.

[18:09] It would be page 6 of the revenue report.

[18:11] You've got it all lumped in one big agenda.

[18:19] What is it?

[18:21] 40.

[18:21] Okay.

[18:22] 41.

[18:23] You'll see their Michael recycling demolition.

[18:28] We budget $75,000 for that.

[18:31] We've taken in 65 to this point.

[18:36] Now, the other thing to remember on that is also a trucking charge.

[18:39] So at the end of the year, depending on where this shakes out.

[18:44] It's like, like last year, we took in 62.

[18:48] We, the revenue was 75, but that is in helpful, unless you saw that end of year.

[18:53] And it's, certainly, like, expenditure amount.

[19:06] So in this case, as of right now, we've expanded,

[19:11] May 25, it's about 59,000 we've expanded between the two lines, as a hand then, for revenue,

[19:22] just

[19:26] set it, we took in 65, so we're running in the positive right now.

[19:34] But as you can see, there's a whole list of revenues that we bring in that relate to that facility.

[19:41] My

[19:46] turn.

[19:49] Let's get it.

[19:51] Are we paper and magazines and bottles of tin cans instead?

[19:59] Are they now in reality costing us to get rid of them?

[20:06] Right now we are stockpiling some of our classic in cans in that yellow building

[20:12] to see what happens with the price.

[20:16] As this board is not made a decision, well, let me back up.

[20:21] As we have not had to come to you yet, have you make that decision like they are in other communities?

[20:27] Do you want to just throw it into the trash and take it to the transfer station?

[20:31] It's at the dump.

[20:32] We haven't gotten to that point yet.

[20:34] Some of them are falling off, but others are pretty steady.

[20:38] One piece is, we budget it for aluminum cans, $10,000 for the year, we're at $8,900 in

[20:46] the seats.

[20:47] I know it's a small one, but we're doing okay.

[20:52] The paper has basically dropped off, but we've been doing mixed paper for a while, so that's

[20:58] another thing that we're going to closely monitor.

[21:01] Glass, we don't have a marker for glass.

[21:04] Nobody's got a marker for glass at this point.

[21:07] So I don't have a good answer for you on that one right now.

[21:13] Still, the steel and the metal recycling is okay.

[21:18] We're not, we're not at the point where you see

[21:20] in other communities where they're paying more

[21:21] per ton to dispose of their recyclables than they are

[21:24] this always.

[21:25] We're not, we're not there.

[21:26] The reason we're not there, we separate.

[21:30] We don't do single stream.

[21:36] Can you?

[21:36] Yeah, I just have two more questions.

[21:39] What does AVRDD mean?

[21:44] Andrew Skoggin Valley, regional recycling and disposal district.

[21:50] I have a dump in Berlin.

[21:52] Okay.

[21:53] The second question has to do with the wood chip disposal.

[21:59] What can you tell me about that?

[22:03] I know, I believe I saw a corresponding revenue side to it.

[22:08] What can you tell me about that?

[22:09] I can tell you that it's probably going to dry up at this point because we're not going to have a

[22:14] solace to get rid of it.

[22:18] We're not going to have a place to get rid of it because none of the power plants to take it.

[22:22] So how does that impact the community?

[22:25] Well, we've collected $11,000 to this point.

[22:30] If you notice there's no charge, there's no expenditure on the on the on the

[22:36] What chip disposal because we are not trucking it the only charge usually is is when we

[22:42] There are instances where we truck it, but then we get revenue from whoever we pick it up from

[22:47] The how we've been doing it as of late is people have been buying it from us and coming off facility and picking it up and taking it wherever

[22:56] It would mean a decrease in that revenue

[23:00] But other than that we would just stockpile it we're not to the point where we've run out of room or we're

[23:05] I mean, it could get to that point, and all it takes is a couple of storms in the fall.

[23:11] So, your plan would be to stock pilot?

[23:14] That's what we're doing now.

[23:15] And then what hope that residents know, we hope that there becomes a market for it at some point,

[23:23] or even so, if we end up having to do it, you know,

[23:27] it could get to the point where we could even offer it to give it away.

[23:29] The problem is there's not really a market for it, except that the wood chip plants.

[23:33] It's not like landscape quality chips that you can put down, right?

[23:37] It's stuff that's all mixed together that's rubbed through it, run through the top grind up,

[23:41] and good material, and a good moisture content to go to a biomass facility.

[23:48] Right.

[23:49] So we just have to sit on it and hold it.

[23:51] So are we able to stock pilot legally?

[23:53] Right now, yes.

[23:54] Yes, we are.

[23:55] Right now we are.

[23:56] We've been with them for years.

[23:58] Is there a certain amount that we can stock pilot to?

[24:01] not aware that we're permit, that's a permit restriction for us, because when I got here

[24:06] the piles were pretty big and then we found a market for it, put them down and have been

[24:12] doing it incrementally, but they were taking them to Alexandria, right?

[24:18] Oh, you're taking them to Alexandria, Bridgewater, years ago they used to take them to the wheel

[24:23] of radar when I first got here, that dried up. There are some markets for it, but all of the

[24:29] markets in the serious right up. So I'm just one last question. How are we? Is our DPW

[24:35] are day the ones generating the wood chips? No, it's a combination of our stuff but what

[24:41] people bring into that brush pile because we run that off the top grinder. That's pretty

[24:46] active too if you've been there in a weekend. You'll see that thing cleaned out and by the

[24:50] end of Saturday it's full. Sorry if you could get a chance to come in a Wednesday. You

[24:55] if she would happen to approach.

[24:58] Yeah, we do all our sub-grinding and Wednesday,

[25:01] because even though we have a nice brand new sub-grinding

[25:04] to thank you, it still throws a lot of debris out the top.

[25:08] It's just the technology.

[25:09] Thanks.

[25:13] Anybody else?

[25:18] Revenue questions, please.

[25:23] There's a lot more highlighting in the revenue side.

[25:27] And it's more for information.

[25:29] And I will start out with the first item that says current

[25:32] property tax. That does not mean we have collected zero in current property tax for this year.

[25:39] It just means that I'm not qualified to make the transfer into that report. There's a

[25:44] journal entry that attaches to it. And I'm leaving that for the replacement administrative

[25:51] services director, because I will surely mess it up. And I can tell you that our tax collection

[25:58] is on schedule and we're at about 95% right now from the tax collection side of

[26:07] it.

[26:07] I highlighted highway and bridges block grants so you can see the decrease in rooms and

[26:12] meals tax so that you don't lose sleep over it. That gets applied on 1231. The state

[26:17] so graciously sends us that on the last day of the last month of the last minute.

[26:23] Oh yeah.

[26:30] Good news on motor vehicle permits and some of the other things. Revener stable.

[26:35] That news is.

[26:40] Wow.

[26:40] Fill on the sewer.

[26:42] How are we doing on that?

[26:44] Because last year, I think the sewer fund was

[26:47] hurting us a little bit while the water end was okay.

[26:51] Well, the sewer wasn't hurting us.

[26:54] We spent more money, but it came out of the surplus

[26:58] funds if you look at where we are on that last page

[27:04] that shows that what we've collected for sewer rents

[27:08] That didn't get transferred over either.

[27:11] Any of that sewer and water didn't get transferred over.

[27:15] So I can tell you that we're at the same place.

[27:18] And I can tell you that from the collection side of it.

[27:20] I can't tell you from the, you know,

[27:23] what's been, because that has to, there's a journal

[27:25] entry that has to occur for that to show up on this report.

[27:30] Last year, yes, we were down on the current sewer

[27:34] We ran last year, but we did not take a huge hit because we were up on the other areas

[27:40] and we had also collected some backstop, but this year, we're probably in about the same

[27:50] place at some point we may want to look at, dialing that estimated revenue on just a little

[27:55] bit.

[28:06] Another question on revenue.

[28:08] Again, looking at the aggregate year-to-date,

[28:14] you said that the property taxes are not in there,

[28:18] which would be somewhere around 14 million,

[28:21] I think compared to last year.

[28:24] It still says we're significantly behind

[28:27] compared to last year, year-to-date and revenue.

[28:30] There are a lot of other items if you go through

[28:32] Ray that the journal that she's haven't been done.

[28:35] Like any of the collection items like water, sewer, and taxes, those items haven't been done and that's a huge piece of our revenue stream right there.

[28:46] That's, well, you figure if total tax commitments around $2,930 million dollars, you know, you've talking at least 15 of that, which is half, you know, because the first half taxes have been paid.

[28:56] That's not included in here. Either is any of the water and sewer rents that have been collected.

[29:01] That's the other thing missing.

[29:03] Yep.

[29:06] But as I said, from me dealing with regular basis on the collection side of it, we're okay.

[29:19] And the question, one other issue, you know, and it kind of goes to raise point with the dating,

[29:24] we don't get that room of meals tax, which is about 321.

[29:28] We don't get that to the last day of the year.

[29:32] And I will say that because we have a comfortable, fun balance and because we've got some decent cash reserves we don't run in for the problem they have to do revenue anticipation.

[29:45] Like other organizations though.

[29:53] And Phil, just another quick question.

[29:54] I don't want to touch this whole thing.

[29:57] So we see the previous year once.

[30:00] To link with tax is where we will begin the leading process shortly. I've already been in contact with them. I expect that it will be the same as it was in prior years. We start out with a list of about 30.

[30:13] And then that whittles down to less than 5. And then usually those are not of significant amounts.

[30:20] From the leaning side, we are not seeing huge increase in leans from prior years.

[30:27] We're not seeing all, you know, that type of activity, if you remember, while back you talked about that amount and it's close.

[30:34] It's not.

[30:35] And again, once we get to the deed place where, you know, we don't see the same volume, let's we get to deed.

[30:43] If you remember, it's usually the exception, not the rule, and I come in with instances where we need to have to take a property or take some drastic step.

[31:05] any other questions?

[31:14] And I will close this workshop. I got one other item. I'm sorry.

[31:19] The current budget did I include that budget direction draft?

[31:25] Did that get in there?

[31:26] Yes.

[31:27] Let it for me.

[31:29] It's a letter.

[31:30] Yes, thank you.

[31:31] We had talked about, I think Karen's got a question before I get rolling on this letter.

[31:39] I was wearing a different budget.

[31:40] Okay, Karen Stich from Meredith, I just, I walked in when Jenny was asking about the turn of the heat fundraiser and the last key charities check and when it's spent and if it's being spent.

[31:53] But I just wanted to recall a couple of years when I read the letter to the editor after the turn of the heat fundraiser announcing what a generous fundraiser it has been.

[32:06] and I know more than one year I've asked you if the check ever came and usually that you

[32:13] told me the check sometimes doesn't come to Mayor June. So it might not. He's not in yes. It may

[32:21] not reflect on the on the heating assistance from the year that the fundraiser is given.

[32:31] To you, I think it was last year, Karen. We had a problem getting our hands on the check and it

[32:35] comes to May at June. It generally comes earlier than that, because I sent it. Yeah, but the problem is

[32:42] even though you sign them and they come in, Jeannie, for whatever reason, a couple of years,

[32:46] they we haven't gotten it. At least two years, I bet. Or it ends up somewhere and doesn't get applied and

[32:51] I don't see the letter. Oh, I know as I send it on my end. Where it goes? I don't know. But I'm sure

[32:57] that could be an answer to why some people think it's not being spent, because it's actually being

[33:03] put into, if it comes Mayor June, it's put into the next year's heating assistance account.

[33:12] Well, I would just say this when we do the fundraiser every year, the, the, the

[33:20] not amount is split, equally among the three communities.

[33:24] and they've all gotten their checks in March, and they have funds left over.

[33:35] The most significant is Center Harbor, which makes the committee want to really take a

[33:41] look at what's going on and if we need to do a reallocation.

[33:46] Well, based on population, Center Harbor doesn't have as many people probably requesting

[33:51] Heading assistance says number of population and narrative either, but it was just I I heard it and I thought well

[33:58] Maybe that's why it's going on the next year's

[34:02] Assistance program instead of the year that it's raised. Thanks. We put it just before we go down

[34:07] We put it in like a reserve account. So it stays there. Oh, it gets spent. I mean in our case it gets spent

[34:14] I mean it might not get you know in the case where it came in in June we might not spend that money to later on

[34:19] But once we accept the gift, we also offset what we've spent.

[34:24] I don't know if the other communities are doing that.

[34:26] But let's just say it's $5,000.

[34:28] We've spent $5,000.

[34:29] We accept it.

[34:30] We appropriate it and we offset it.

[34:32] Oh, nice.

[34:33] That makes sense too.

[34:34] Thank you.

[34:35] Thank you, Karen.

[34:39] You have a letter in there that I usually prepare based on the budget.

[34:44] And I usually present it to the Selectman.

[34:47] And we go from there.

[34:48] And I know earlier in the year, I was asked if we could do this as a discussion item.

[34:51] before it becomes, let's say, put in, put in place, so here it is, I don't know if you

[35:00] want to discuss it, put it off for another meeting, I don't know how you want to handle this.

[35:20] H-51 and 52.

[35:24] I think at this point, I'd like to put this off down a little closer to when we

[35:28] get to it's budget time. I think another month would be, because we will be meeting

[35:36] three days in the end of November.

[35:39] Okay.

[35:40] Here's my issue.

[35:41] I'm going to send out budgets in September

[35:43] to department heads to fill out.

[35:46] And we don't meet until the third Monday in September.

[35:50] We can put it on.

[35:51] The third Monday in September and have the stuff ready to go

[35:53] and it fits in the last schedule.

[35:57] Or I can put it on the next.

[36:04] Okay.

[36:05] I'm backing up.

[36:06] It's not much different than it has been in the past.

[36:09] Yeah.

[36:09] Okay.

[36:10] Then I'll take back what I asked him.

[36:14] I was just asked to put it on a draft form before we did it.

[36:17] Let's say gas and stone had a discussion on

[36:26] it.

[36:26] Any comment?

[36:27] I guess the only thing we've been doing this since I've been here for nine years.

[36:34] And it considered effort to give in the budget process to be

[36:37] 10 current services service levels.

[36:40] Is there any need of places where we should be adding?

[36:44] Oh, that was a can of worms, I know.

[36:51] It depends what you talk to.

[36:53] Yes.

[36:58] It really, it really does depend what you talk to.

[37:02] And again, that's policy decision that's like,

[37:05] way outside of what I do when I put this together.

[37:11] So I'll

[37:16] leave it to that.

[37:24] I think it's fair to say we have not, at least since I've been on this select board,

[37:28] been looking actively for ways to add new services.

[37:32] Perfect.

[37:33] We respond when there needs to brought to our attention, but we're not, we're not, we're

[37:40] seeking new ways to spend money, and I think it's been consistent since I've been here

[37:45] thankfully.

[37:46] I think that's a perfect answer.

[37:48] Much better than I, I was all kidding aside there, you know, there are a ton of

[37:54] is that you could, if you chose to, and you wanted to expand your services, but that clearly

[38:00] has not been the direction I've received.

[38:11] So I don't know how you want me to handle this put it on for another workshop, or I don't

[38:16] know.

[38:17] I'd suggest it's virtually the same policy we've been following for the last several years

[38:24] that I can't think of a read.

[38:26] It's a pretty prudent and practical one.

[38:29] I'm happy to stay with it as it is.

[38:35] Anybody else?

[38:36] Feel the same way?

[38:41] I guess you have a unanimous vote.

[38:43] Thank you.

[38:44] One last item, I know you want to join this.

[38:47] I will have the schedule out to you shortly.

[38:49] You know, I've calendar to tell meeting.

[38:51] It's just that there are some dates that I want to make sure they're right.

[38:55] And HMA doesn't produce the calendar this time of year.

[38:58] So rather than me trying to come back and being off a day,

[39:00] I'm going to give it a couple of weeks till we get that calendar.

[39:04] Mr. Chairman, that is all I have on that item.

[39:07] Thank you.

[39:09] I'm sure it will be continued.

[39:13] With that, I will call the workshop adjourn, and we will go.

[39:18] Since that's supposed to be at a meeting at 530, which I won't make,

[39:22] we'll, I'd like to start the actual select board meeting,

[39:27] which means what we do to the pledge of allegiance.

[39:30] And I'll stand, please.

[39:37] The United States of America, and to the Republic, over the stands, one nation under God,

[39:44] and it is the will of liberty and justice for all.

[39:51] And I'm proud to say this to the United States, OK?

[39:53] And because we've had a couple of people come after the workshop,

[39:59] quickly to the role of the who is here.

[40:03] On my extreme left is Jeannie Faraster.

[40:06] Next to her is Ray Meritz.

[40:09] Leaving your room.

[40:11] Nate Thor.

[40:12] Good evening.

[40:13] Michael Pelser.

[40:14] Good evening.

[40:15] Myself Jonathan James and Phil Warren Talmanager.

[40:19] Good evening.

[40:21] Afternoon.

[40:21] Yes.

[40:22] Still afternoon.

[40:24] Our first agenda is to accept the end of our corrections of the meetings of July 16th.

[40:32] Can I have a motion?

[40:33] Mr. Chairman, before you do that, just real quick, I put a new copy in front of you.

[40:38] The only change on the copy compared to what you had was the minutes from the CDBG hearing.

[40:44] There were some additions we made after.

[40:48] Edith, excuse me, we made after you received your copy.

[40:56] Do you have a motion? Mr. Chairman?

[40:58] Excuse me, can you tell me what those were? I'm just curious.

[41:01] There were some, let's say, semantics changes that we were requested to include.

[41:08] It was more to make sure that stuff was stated.

[41:11] You know, it was what occurred at the meeting, but they had to be like highlighted in there.

[41:16] One of them was that there were handouts that were available from the public requirements of the grant.

[41:23] So, there's nothing substantially.

[41:27] Nothing we need to re-read.

[41:30] No, it's just putting it in there for a minute.

[41:35] Do I have motion?

[41:37] Mr. Chair, I move week, except the July 16 minutes board minutes as they were presented

[41:45] a second time.

[41:47] Do I have a second?

[41:49] I'll second.

[41:51] Is there any discussion now?

[41:56] I have a question and I don't know if this is one of the things you changed because

[42:03] haven't looked at the new minutes, but on page

[42:10] 4, John Edgar in the final analysis, that

[42:14] sentence didn't make any sense to me. Is that one of the ones you changed?

[42:20] Well, I'm sorry, Jamie, where was it?

[42:22] So it's on page 4, and it's about a middle of the way through.

[42:27] John Edgar in the final analysis, assuming all of the funding pieces come together and

[42:31] thing is to go there to go there will be a form of contract between the town and the

[42:35] suburb of the recipient.

[42:38] It should say stated basically that's verbatim what he said.

[42:49] I'll stick that word in there.

[43:00] Anything else?

[43:05] Hearing none.

[43:06] All those in favor.

[43:09] All right.

[43:10] All right.

[43:11] All right.

[43:19] Thank you Mr. Chairman for this summer as you're aware we're using the new crosswalk at the center of the town docks.

[43:25] We have signage of each old crosswalk directing pedestrians of the new one.

[43:30] Now you're shocked to hear this, but there are folks that are still attempting to cross the old locations.

[43:35] Even those signs are there and the crosswalks and curb cuts are gone.

[43:41] And another thing I was asked about lighting for that crosswalk, there is temporary lighting at that crosswalk at night.

[43:48] I think at one time the battery might have died in it or something happened, but it's all set now.

[43:54] The Saturdays, the 250th parade, it starts at 10 a.m. goes down Main Street from cross and walk you on, turns right at Route 3.

[44:02] South until Mill Street heading to the Middleton Building Supply.

[44:05] It's expected to take one and a half hours. Route 3 will be open during the parade, one lane only.

[44:11] That's the condition of the permit.

[44:12] No parking on Main Street, starting Friday night.

[44:18] We received the my office received the letter from the residents on Stone Day Island road a while back concerning speed orientation a possible crosswalk installation and speed bumps

[44:28] We've investigated same and done some

[44:31] Research down there as to speeds we put the speed sign up just see your way, you know that speed sign or chords

[44:39] Doesn't record your picture anything but it records speed. So I know that there's a

[44:45] propensity of certain folks to go by it, see if you can top it out.

[44:49] We know how fast you're going, you do that.

[44:51] Which then means that

[44:57] becomes the new location for a selective enforce.

[45:00] When we see those speeds like that. There is a problem with it though, because if you're familiar with the private

[45:09] beach on Stone Day Island road, wait on the end there, in the road almost ends at a dead end. There's

[45:15] definitely a problem with the machine, because it registered a speed of 82 miles an hour. I don't

[45:20] think there's any way possible you could get from that sign to the end of the street and stop without

[45:26] taking out a house, AB2, is that new goal, but yeah, so what we did was we put the sign out

[45:36] there because it not only monitors speed, it monitors traffic, it gives you a visual display.

[45:41] So we've investigated that, we reviewed, and we looked at some information on crosswalks that's

[45:46] out there that's tied to the manual for uniform traffic control devices, it doesn't indicate

[45:52] that a crosswalk should be placed at the beach there, speed bumps, so you're aware of my opinion

[45:58] and never indicated, due to damage on permanent speed bumps, damage to a public safety equipment

[46:03] and damage to responding equipment and, of course, the propensity from to get scooped up

[46:08] if they're permanent ones, but then the temporary ones have the propensity to become a

[46:22] real brief, I won't, that is a 25 mile an hour speed limit there, and our average speeds,

[46:32] and I know it always seems like people are going faster, but our average speeds, just

[46:36] for example, on Thursday, July 19th, 193 vehicles went by that sign. They were only 22 of

[46:45] vehicles traveled over 25 miles an hour. Again, you know, 72 is the highest speed. I would

[46:53] be impressed if somebody could get up to that. But we think there may be a glitch in how

[46:57] the thing picks up every once in a while. 22 the out of the vehicles traveled, I'm sorry,

[47:05] 50% of the total number of vehicles traveled 22 miles an hour on average, 85% of the total number

[47:13] vehicles that traveled over it, only went 27 miles an hour.

[47:21] So out of the

[47:24] 193 for that day approximately

[47:34] 31 exceeded the speed limit.

[47:40] So the nice thing

[47:40] about that sign is it gives us a real look, because it gathers that information.

[47:46] Because I'm as guilty as anyone else, you're on a 25 mile an hour road and a boom truck goes by a large vehicle goes by you and you think that thing's flying.

[47:56] You see fire apparatus go by on the highway. Everybody says, look at how fast that fire trucks going.

[48:01] You know the most fire trucks that govern, they can't go over 57 miles an hour.

[48:06] So then I really go in that fast. But this gives us real look at how many people and what's going on down there.

[48:13] So I expect the respond to that neighborhood association

[48:17] and let them know what we found in.

[48:19] We have installed another speed limit sign down there.

[48:22] And also, we put it on extra patrols so that the police

[48:25] would go down there and take a look.

[48:27] The other thing is our call volume.

[48:29] We researched our call volume going back to the early 2000s.

[48:33] And we found instances of two more vehicle crashes.

[48:38] They were very significant.

[48:39] And over that same time period, the length of it

[48:41] six complaints about vehicles speeding to the police.

[48:49] We also have another resource that we may employ in the future and I'm thinking to do it on Main Street.

[48:56] I shouldn't have said anything.

[48:57] But anyway, our regional planning association can put the tubes out that you've seen.

[49:05] And they show vehicle speed, composition, and time of day.

[49:08] And I'm thinking to do it on Main Street in the post office just to give us some information.

[49:12] It's not bad, it's only like $150 for a few days worth of information which is all you need.

[49:22] I'm meeting with the Islands Association representative Thursday, I'll advise you as to the results.

[49:28] And finally, the Archie Statue dedication is Thursday at noon at community park.

[49:35] It's all I have, Mr. Chairman.

[49:39] Thank you.

[49:41] Do we have any visitor or resident comments?

[49:47] Branden, they're going to do it under a gender item, you don't have to go.

[49:52] Yeah, not yet.

[49:54] Sorry.

[49:56] Sit.

[49:56] Yeah, we put it on as an agenda item on the new business.

[50:01] Well, actually, you put it under old business.

[50:03] Did I?

[50:04] Yeah.

[50:04] I'm fired.

[50:08] So is it technically new?

[50:09] No, it's old business.

[50:10] It's clearly not new business.

[50:13] Do we have any select comments?

[50:14] of sec board comments?

[50:17] One probably more under old business but we discussed best select board meeting the driving

[50:25] issues around Main Street in the post office and mentioned the possibility or at least

[50:32] the likely looking into putting the temporary speed bumps there.

[50:37] Have we found out anything about them or use?

[50:40] There's a lot of research about temporary speed bumps and how they're detrimental.

[50:43] The one biggest piece that concerns me is temporary or permanent speed bumps, there's a study

[50:50] out of Texas that show that they delay public safety response and can become a hazard

[50:56] to public safety vehicles.

[50:58] Our experience locally with the railroad tracks, which, unfortunately, one sets in bad shape,

[51:04] has that they're similar to a speed bump, and that's damaging to our fire equipment.

[51:08] I actually break the springs, because the fire chief is concerned about that.

[51:13] The other concern with temporary speed bumps is the way they attach, they can become a missile

[51:17] because they're either epoxy or drilled in.

[51:20] I wouldn't recommend the drilled in ones because then they allow for water infiltration

[51:25] in the pavement, which we try to avoid it all by.

[51:30] Mr. Chairman?

[51:31] Yes.

[51:31] Well, we're on that.

[51:32] I think one of the things I mentioned last time, if it's possible for the last parking

[51:37] spot to become a sub-compact car parking spot as you go across. As you remember, last week

[51:46] I almost became a hood ornament with you watching.

[51:51] It was not funny at the time.

[51:53] No. We can do that, but there really isn't a provision and it helps a lot that allows us to enforce it.

[52:01] There's a lot of things out there for different handicap markings clear. There's an RSA.

[52:05] But you see a lot of different parking signs, and there really isn't anything rooted in law that allows us to enforce it.

[52:11] I mean we can do it, but I can tell you that there would be a concern among the mainstream merchants that you're taking a parking space away.

[52:20] As if you notice all of our corners, our parking spaces go right up to the corner.

[52:25] That is not indicated in the manual for uniform traffic control devices.

[52:29] You're supposed to have a minimum of a 20 foot stall.

[52:33] If you notice when they put in new parking spaces, they put that cross hatch area in at the end and that's specifically full of visibility purposes.

[52:45] We can do it. I'm just, you do want, you got to do a moment.

[52:51] Well, I would caution you against that because I'm a version of this, but that is the worst one.

[52:58] I mean, if that's what the board wants to do, that's easy enough for us to do.

[53:01] It's just, I give it with the disclaimer that you will hear from the downtown merchants

[53:06] because you're taking a park at space the way.

[53:10] But I hate to take a life though, and it's just an amazing spot, and it seems like the only thing

[53:17] that parks there is a great big truck every time, and you just can't see.

[53:23] So, if that else, do you want me to do something with it?

[53:30] It's the board.

[53:32] Why don't we put it on a temporary trial?

[53:35] I just see how it goes.

[53:38] I know we can't enforce it, but at least some people can read and maybe you'll give up

[53:43] it a chance because we've got some.

[53:45] We've got some.

[53:46] We've got some.

[53:48] We've got some.

[53:50] You want me to block the whole spot and do that?

[53:53] Because the thing with compact parking is there are some people that think that's a fluid definition

[54:01] compact vehicle. There are some people that think that a hummer is a compact vehicle. If you

[54:07] have been in a parking garage in the city, you'll see that somebody with a big old F350 might think

[54:14] it's a compact parking spot. But seriously, I mean it's your choice. I don't personally think

[54:21] We've got enough room that stick a compact spot, I think it's your cross hatchet off.

[54:26] Now, from a selfish standpoint, we have no motorcycle parking downtown.

[54:33] They put motorcycle parking spots in a place where they couldn't put car spots in Conway.

[54:38] If you haven't been to a Route 16 with a Metas, they have motorcycle parking stalls there.

[54:43] You could easily put three stalls for motorcycle parking and then make the rest of that, you

[54:52] know, a no parking area.

[54:53] That's what the motorcycles would be back to.

[54:56] They'd be close to the parking space.

[54:57] That's a thought.

[54:58] Do you think that result will work?

[55:00] Well, I can tell you that.

[55:01] There are a lot of motorcycles of people

[55:03] that frequent the Frog Rock and they go downtown.

[55:06] And I know the motorcycles would appreciate.

[55:09] Sounds like a happy.

[55:10] So I mean, we could put three spots and three stalls.

[55:13] They now stalls.

[55:14] And then the remainder would be cross-hats

[55:17] so you can't park on the corner in the cross.

[55:20] I think Miss Lee would like you.

[55:22] I'm going to try it.

[55:25] Yes.

[55:26] Okay.

[55:29] You all have to hook up with Lake Fruits just right thing and have them take care of it.

[55:34] Speaking of striping.

[55:36] Yeah.

[55:36] What do you got?

[55:38] You were going to put the white line or yellow line.

[55:41] Yeah.

[55:41] In front of the island of Pleasant Street.

[55:45] And the state went and did all kinds of white lines.

[55:48] They didn't do that one.

[55:49] They didn't do that one.

[55:49] I didn't do that one.

[55:50] I know. And it's quite often people coming out of thinking that's two lanes even though

[55:57] those cones are there and suddenly they get stopped because they can't keep going as a

[56:03] car in front of wanting to turn left.

[56:07] And I was asked today, speaking of lines, we talked

[56:10] once about some kind of a line on Main Street. And I couldn't answer because I, sorry, I sort

[56:19] It was a while ago that we discussed it, and I don't know what the end result answer was.

[56:27] I've had this discussion with Mike Falle before, because I asked him why don't we snap

[56:30] line down Main Street.

[56:32] The reason we don't is because of the parking conditions, and it would exacerbate our problems

[56:39] when larger vehicles park on Main Street, because you would hope, and this is the case,

[56:45] a lot of people would then not want to go over the line and move around. Main streets now

[56:50] are enough as it is. And unfortunately, because it's so narrow and especially, it starts

[56:56] to, you know, it necks down and then widens out, so it'd be hard for us to establish

[57:00] a good line. I know I've discussed this with Mike and lengthen the past because, you know,

[57:06] we line all these other streets. And it would especially be worse than the winter, so what's

[57:12] not wait, what's not scraped off.

[57:16] Anything else?

[57:17] I have just one more thing.

[57:20] Is there anything the fishing game to do

[57:22] to help us with this goose problem?

[57:25] They just shoot 25 of them in the lake last night.

[57:28] They're absolutely destroying a park in front of the bank,

[57:32] and it's just, it's a horror show.

[57:35] A couple of years ago, we had U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

[57:37] come in and tag the geese, and they've been read,

[57:40] they would come back and read the tags.

[57:43] And I haven't gotten an update from them, but it's on the federal side.

[57:47] Fishing game at this point, the only thing they're going to help us do is apply for that federal permit

[57:52] that the marina did that got shot down because the same geese weren't returning.

[57:58] We've tried everything there, I know.

[58:00] And we even Liz Lappen gave us that tape.

[58:03] We put that tape up, and unfortunately the tape wasn't as effective.

[58:08] Apparently Liz raved about the tape and I was ever so hopeful that it was going to work

[58:12] but Paul or Stan all sent me pictures of day later of them sitting next to the grade

[58:16] stake with the tape blown around in the breeze so I don't know if we have smart ones, dumb ones

[58:21] or resilient ones, lots of them we have and we still on occasion, show them, clean it up, spray the stuff.

[58:32] There's one solution, even though you're not a select person.

[58:36] I just have a comment about the parking on Main Street, which has been horrible since we moved

[58:43] here in 1980, and when my kids were learning how to drive, I kept them off Main Street if I was with them,

[58:49] because that's when I found out that the road was too narrow for a yellow line.

[58:54] But in the 80s, I recall mentioning it and it didn't go over so well, but has any thought ever been given about making Main Street a true do the loop and making it one way in with parallel parking.

[59:11] Parallel, like Angle. Angle. Yeah, okay. That's what I thought.

[59:16] Not parallel. People don't know how to parallel park. Angle, diagonal park.

[59:20] Angle installs, right? Yeah.

[59:24] That predates me, so if somebody else has any institutional knowledge on that.

[59:29] Well, I recall way back when I was the Director of the Main Street Program, that was a discussion we had.

[59:37] And I don't believe there was much enthusiasm.

[59:41] Support for that idea.

[59:43] I never went anywhere.

[59:46] Is that the same time they discussed the water fountain?

[59:51] It's always just how in Ray we should put a water fountain in an older road.

[59:55] I would picture my desk when I first got here.

[59:57] There was nothing else in my desk but a picture of a water.

[1:00:00] And the plow in the wing down on the greater and the water fountain was three feet into the wing, not physically, but you could see where we couldn't plow mainstream.

[1:00:10] Okay, any new business? Hearing none, we're going to all business, 18-32 skate park. I believe we have a representative.

[1:00:26] Push the button on there and the red light.

[1:00:28] I'll come on.

[1:00:29] Good evening.

[1:00:30] My name is Brendan Hart and I'm here today to talk about the renovation of the Glen Heart Memorial

[1:00:35] Skate Park and I have a few handouts that I'd like to give to the board.

[1:00:40] That's all right.

[1:00:41] That we could go through together.

[1:00:50] The same boss.

[1:00:52] It's a party.

[1:00:53] We're having a lot of time.

[1:00:55] Yeah.

[1:00:56] Yeah.

[1:00:57] I guess I had to believe they painted it.

[1:01:33] I'm fine.

[1:01:34] I'm sorry the other day,

[1:01:39] but you want to use this instead because you're too tall, I think

[1:01:42] so you don't have to bend down a little bit. Just do me a favor and shut the other one off

[1:01:46] though because I don't get along well together.

[1:01:54] All right, so what I've created here is a document that is it's an overview of what our efforts

[1:02:00] have been and what our future plans are for the Ben Hard Memorial Skate Park.

[1:02:05] Just to give a brief recap, I started fundraising last year, and today we are at approximately $35,000 in funds.

[1:02:15] This has been raised.

[1:02:16] They're online campaigning and as well fundraisers that we've posted in the town of America.

[1:02:22] So first, the handout starts out with the need for the renovated skate park.

[1:02:30] Um, the skate park was built in 2003, wooden parks like this.

[1:02:35] I've actually talked to Dave Wood, who was the, was one of the guys who helped build the original skate park and he told me average life span of what skate parks is 10 to 15 years, Meredith is over that now.

[1:02:47] Um, apparently, as the Board of Selectman, now the skate park has low attendance, and I don't attribute this to a lack of kids who would like to use it.

[1:02:59] attribute this to the fact that the facility is dangerous, unsafe, and it's also not very

[1:03:06] entertaining to use, and I can say that for myself as someone who goes there regularly.

[1:03:11] Well, you used to go there regularly. Now I drive up to Plymouth because it's a concrete

[1:03:15] skate park and a lot better for skate orders.

[1:03:19] And this is a great time for Meredith,

[1:03:22] I have some renovation because local skate parks like Lakonia and Windham have recently

[1:03:27] shot their gates, they were built in the same fashion as the Meredith Skate Park around the

[1:03:30] same time. And over the years they just fall apart, no one wants to do anything to rebuild them.

[1:03:37] So I'm trying not to let that happen for the Skate Park in Meredith. And as well I'd like to

[1:03:42] bring to attention that with the new Hawkins Brook edition, there's going to be some, you know,

[1:03:48] increased traffic to Prescott Park and it's a great time to invest in the betterment of Prescott

[1:03:54] As you can see in the first photo, that was taken maybe two months ago.

[1:03:59] That's a photo of my skateboard wheel with a screwhead sticking out of it.

[1:04:03] I tell you, that's not the first time this is happening to me skateboarding there.

[1:04:07] And there's also bikers who go there or used to go there because once you get a couple screws in your bicycle tire and pops, you don't want to go back.

[1:04:16] To show that there has been support in this from our community,

[1:04:20] We've had 125 individual online donations.

[1:04:24] 750 signatures on an online petition,

[1:04:29] 550 of those are new Hampshire residents.

[1:04:32] We've raised $15,000 from local fundraisers,

[1:04:35] and $5,000 donated from local contributors,

[1:04:38] and then $15,000 donated from GoFundMe.

[1:04:42] As well, I'd like to say that a lot of businesses,

[1:04:45] local businesses have been involved with this

[1:04:47] donating prizes that we've ruffled off in our fundraisers.

[1:04:52] So the new plan, which is from our beginning of starting

[1:04:56] to fundraisers, our goal has always

[1:04:58] been to rebuild in concrete.

[1:05:00] My background as a skateboarder is growing up here,

[1:05:02] learning how to skateboard, and then continuing it

[1:05:04] through on my life.

[1:05:05] I've lived in Southern California, like the mecca

[1:05:07] of concrete skate parks.

[1:05:09] I've worked a summer skateboard in snowboard camp in Oregon,

[1:05:13] And I have also traveled around the country and spent a different skate park so I feel I've acquired a bit of knowledge on the subject.

[1:05:25] And what we'd like to do is take the current skate park, tear it down, and rebuild in concrete with a much smaller facility, but something that would fit the needs of our community.

[1:05:35] You can see the first photo, that's the current skate park, and it's just jagged with

[1:05:41] paint chips, and I tell you, like, falling on that, which does happen on skateboards as

[1:05:46] you know, if you're wearing shorts especially, I can do some serious damage.

[1:05:52] And then the next photo is a skate park in Bar Harbor main that was built in 2016 by

[1:06:00] The local community was similar to this situation, was private fundraising, and it was built by pillar designs, and pillars business model goes, they find individuals, maybe like me, someone who's trying to build a skate park in their community, and they work with them to help write grants, to do fundraising, to communicate with the town, for all the building information that needs to happen, they're going to be the ones who provide all that information, and on the verge of signing a contract with pillar, so they'll be, who,

[1:06:29] I'm working with in the future.

[1:06:32] They have an amazing track record for building concrete skate parks across the United States.

[1:06:39] And the reason they've choose concrete is because they don't dilapidate like ours did in 10 years.

[1:06:47] So it would be really nice if we can get that in Meredith for, you know, indefinitely for kids to enjoy.

[1:06:53] And what this is asking from the town of Meredith is not funding.

[1:06:59] It's just support and hands-on work.

[1:07:05] So the former skate park currently, I don't know many who wouldn't agree that it's not a liability right now.

[1:07:13] It's not safe to keep open and it's hard for me to say I want to close the park.

[1:07:21] But I don't see any reason keeping it open at this point

[1:07:25] because there's low attendance and it is truly dangerous.

[1:07:30] So that site would need to be torn up and just

[1:07:32] a space left for a new concrete skate park

[1:07:35] that would be about a third of the size

[1:07:37] as the current skate park.

[1:07:40] And how pillar goes about working with local towns

[1:07:44] is to work with you guys to get in-kind donations

[1:07:47] specifically, this could be concrete receiving getting a local concrete producer to give a reduced price on every cubic yard of concrete, and that's something that they found most businesses are willing to do because it's a tax write off for them.

[1:08:06] So yeah, then I go into the bar harbour skate park, which it was a $160,000 budget.

[1:08:13] They received $85,000 in kind donations so they paid $75,000 for the skate park featured in the photo.

[1:08:23] And I'd like for something to happen in Meredith.

[1:08:25] We're not asking for, yeah, I know the Parks and Rec budget is limited.

[1:08:29] So what we're asking is just collaboration and support of this project in any way we can.

[1:08:34] I'm open to advice, I'm open to council and I really would like to start working with the town to make this happen.

[1:08:43] So if you have any council questions, please let me know.

[1:08:49] I think I heard you correctly, Mr. Suggestion would be right now to close it down very.

[1:08:55] Yes.

[1:08:55] Because of safety.

[1:08:57] Yeah.

[1:08:59] Okay, then the way I look at that, then that.

[1:09:02] It's a safety issue. It's a liability issue and that should be immediately done.

[1:09:09] Yeah, I agree with that.

[1:09:13] I think all of us are aware the other end of that stick though when you shut something down.

[1:09:20] Does it get going again? That's what I worry about.

[1:09:24] Well, currently we have $35,000 in funds raised. We haven't received a single grant as of yet.

[1:09:30] I'm working with Bill House, who's a retired,

[1:09:35] plymistate professor.

[1:09:36] He used to write grants for, you know,

[1:09:38] during his whole career, he was writing grants for the university.

[1:09:41] His son is a friend of mine and I grew up skateboarding with him,

[1:09:44] so Bill is 100% on board to help find and write grants.

[1:09:50] He's friends with a librarian at Plymouth,

[1:09:52] and they've been doing some searches to find grants for eligible for,

[1:09:56] as well as pillar designs, once we're signed with them,

[1:09:58] They're going to start helping with that as well.

[1:10:03] Yeah, we're going to have a question about the size.

[1:10:07] Our current facility and I realize it's not laid out efficiently.

[1:10:13] But it's three times the size of this 4,000.

[1:10:16] Plymouth is more than double it.

[1:10:19] And that didn't seem excessive to me.

[1:10:21] It 4,000 square feet is going to be meaningful.

[1:10:24] Is it so small that I think it's from someone

[1:10:30] who's seeing the bar harbour park and seeing the design of it.

[1:10:33] I think it is all a question of design and pillar is able to build very,

[1:10:39] like user-friendly skate parks that are smaller size.

[1:10:43] And as someone who uses climate skate park,

[1:10:46] you know, every day when I was in school there,

[1:10:49] it's not much bigger than it would not be.

[1:10:53] It may be the actual size of the,

[1:10:55] maybe that includes the parking lot or something,

[1:10:57] but the actual size of it isn't, it's not much bigger than 4,000 feet.

[1:11:03] Well, I was quoting the, uh, the fenced in area is, is, that's also,

[1:11:08] Gives 10,000. She also has space that's not utilized.

[1:11:14] Some, yeah, I mean, there's like a border of grass around it, but I, I didn't, I didn't measure the

[1:11:19] concrete adventure question, but it's, uh, it's just short of 10,000 square feet, including the area

[1:11:25] in from the fence, you know, we're part of it.

[1:11:28] Well, we should have to have anyway, I assume around the fence, but.

[1:11:31] Um, just from seeing the bar harborscape park and the positive feedback from the skate park

[1:11:37] and that community, it looks like it's been sufficient for them.

[1:11:40] And Meredith, you know, it's not a huge, we're not a huge family.

[1:11:45] So, I would agree that if we were in, yeah, if we were in a city, it's way too small, but I think

[1:11:51] for the Meredith community, it's perfect.

[1:11:59] So, thank you for the presentation.

[1:12:03] I think it's always good to get young people out

[1:12:06] and not looking at their devices,

[1:12:10] so I'm off for a exercise.

[1:12:15] You said that the size would be appropriate

[1:12:20] for Meredith.

[1:12:22] So, what is the number, what is the population

[1:12:26] that's going to use this skate park you said that 750 signatures on a petition 550 were

[1:12:37] new Hampshire residents of those 550 New Hampshire residents, how many were merit

[1:12:43] residents. I'm trying to get a sense of what is the population that's going to use this

[1:12:48] skate park. So I can I'll be able to clarify that better with I'm going to be starting a

[1:12:54] a tangible petition as well, but only for Meredith residents, but it's open to anyone.

[1:13:03] It's within walking distance from the high school.

[1:13:05] When I was a kid, there used to be a pilgrimage of us who would go down to the skate park

[1:13:11] just through the woods, through the trails, and spend the rest of the day there.

[1:13:16] So from someone who grew up in going down the lakes and using the skate park, I know it was

[1:13:22] and I was a kid and I know there will be useful in this bill.

[1:13:29] I'll have a question.

[1:13:31] Just follow up question.

[1:13:33] Yes, I have one.

[1:13:36] No, no.

[1:13:38] I think I'm in the Senate.

[1:13:43] So I know I'm sorry.

[1:13:46] Okay.

[1:13:46] So, what I heard you say was that you're not looking for any funding from the town that you're going to do all the fundraising and all you're looking for from the town is support and that the funds that you raise for this would be,

[1:14:08] Would you say a tax deduction for businesses?

[1:14:13] Only for, like, the material donations.

[1:14:19] So are you a 501C3? That's what I was-

[1:14:21] Yes, we are.

[1:14:22] Oh, you are.

[1:14:23] We're the friends of Meredith Parks and Recreation.

[1:14:26] Oh, yes.

[1:14:26] As our fiscal agent.

[1:14:28] Okay, great. Thank you.

[1:14:29] Mr. Chairman.

[1:14:31] Yes, Phil.

[1:14:32] And a spirit of full disclosure,

[1:14:34] I already committed the town about it.

[1:14:36] When we met with Brendan, I said that when we get to the point where we have to clear

[1:14:40] off the structures and clear off the pavement, we'd the town be happy to do that.

[1:14:49] It's clear off the structures that are there today, and then peel the pavement off so

[1:14:52] it'd be ready for.

[1:14:54] Was it fence we talked about, about peeling the fence back so they could get in the

[1:14:59] work. Yeah.

[1:15:00] If we get to that point. So that's the peace I was willing to commit because that's not a, you know, for us, that's not a significant issue but it can be for anybody going in there because disposing of it could be a problem as we just talked about revenues for construction degree.

[1:15:19] I'm not worried about permanent closure of the skate park because we already have $35,000 that's ours right now.

[1:15:26] And that's enough to build with a little bit more money which I'm going to be continuing hosting fundraisers.

[1:15:33] And we could at least build a whole one piece of a skate park.

[1:15:37] That's not ideal because that does limit the amount of people that can use it.

[1:15:42] But just so there would be something there.

[1:15:45] If something grants don't work out or something like that, we will have enough money to build something there that people can use.

[1:15:56] My question is, I looked at the other day, and I couldn't decide whether those plywood

[1:16:03] have a skim coat of some kind of metal on it, and there's layers and layers and layers

[1:16:09] of some kind of paint that's, yes, all chipping off and causing horrendous mess.

[1:16:16] Am I correct in how that's built?

[1:16:18] Yeah.

[1:16:19] It's not just with sheet metal on top of it.

[1:16:21] So if you spent $6,000 in sandblasted that paid off but you had a nice surface again is some of this

[1:16:31] usable for a while longer while you continue to raise money.

[1:16:35] I wouldn't see any point in spending funds on that because I don't think people would show up to use it in that case because the

[1:16:41] The pavement is pretty, yeah, I'm going to come from someone who scapeots.

[1:16:48] There was a couple of cracks, I will not disagree with you that I don't.

[1:16:51] This is why.

[1:16:53] It's not just the cracks, it's the fact that it's not concrete, it's bumpy, it's also

[1:16:59] the cracks are filled with rubber sealant, which it's like goo when you ride in it, and

[1:17:05] then it's six year wheels, and it actually ruins your equipment.

[1:17:09] And that is why why put money on ramps that are like the structures are already so

[1:17:14] aged.

[1:17:16] That's why I don't see the point in that.

[1:17:20] Just a thought.

[1:17:22] Chair.

[1:17:23] Any other questions?

[1:17:25] I'm going to come back to Katie's question on utilization.

[1:17:29] The number of people.

[1:17:31] I know from the international association of skateboard companies is that Tony Hawk's foundation group.

[1:17:41] They would lead you to believe that we'd be somewhere between maybe two, possibly three dozen people as skateboard users there.

[1:17:51] But we want to help, I think it would answer that.

[1:17:58] It's a multi-use facility, so it's for Rolibladers.

[1:18:02] It's for scooters.

[1:18:04] And it kills me to say this, because it's a skateboarder.

[1:18:07] Now, like, scooterings become the new thing.

[1:18:09] But it's the same facility.

[1:18:10] It's a skate park.

[1:18:11] It's where scooters go as well.

[1:18:13] It's a multi-use.

[1:18:14] So, you might get 10 scooters, 10 scooters,

[1:18:20] It's, I know doubt that it would be used every day for local kids.

[1:18:28] Brendan, I've heard you say it through three times you're looking for the town support,

[1:18:33] but I don't ever remember a time when anybody in the town has not offered support.

[1:18:37] I think what we've asked you for is a plan which is much better in paper than the one thing that you just gave us.

[1:18:44] Now, it's safe to say you're raising the money and you're taking on quite a task.

[1:18:48] And we'll ask again, you have anybody that can help you on the ground because you're off and you're still going to fundraise, but it seems to me you would need somebody to help

[1:18:59] coordinate, you know, the other end of things.

[1:19:03] That's a help put the plan together that we can come back and we all can get together, so we know how to help you.

[1:19:07] I guess part of the problem is as a town on the select board, we don't know how to help you.

[1:19:12] This gets us closer.

[1:19:14] Yes, much closer.

[1:19:15] Yeah, and I realized there's been miscommunication between us, and this is why I'm hoping to make things as clear as possible right now.

[1:19:23] So with hiring pillar designs, they're going to take care of, you know, I'm not a builder.

[1:19:28] I can't, I can't, I understand what you're doing.

[1:19:30] You got to put the pieces in the right.

[1:19:32] Like if we were going to do like the highway department, you put together a committee.

[1:19:36] They do the studies, they come up with a plan, they present the plan.

[1:19:39] We can't work and approve something, we don't know what to do with.

[1:19:43] We've got some good numbers.

[1:19:45] Although, like Gray said, we're hearing that escape act.

[1:19:49] You might as well figure average of 45 dollars

[1:19:51] of square foot to build one.

[1:19:52] If you can keep it at 4,000, and that handles the need.

[1:19:56] And we also know that the pre-formed concrete structures

[1:19:59] aren't as well as the built in.

[1:20:02] So all those things that we're working on with our research,

[1:20:06] I guess my point is, is someone on this other end.

[1:20:10] So people would help us help you at the same time.

[1:20:12] with hiring pillar designs, that's why I'm hiring them.

[1:20:16] They're going to their team, specifically,

[1:20:18] they'll be one representative

[1:20:19] and who's going to give all that information.

[1:20:23] And then I'm going back to school,

[1:20:26] but while I'm away, Pete Thorndike is going

[1:20:28] to be communicating with pillar and working

[1:20:31] with the town to keep everyone in the loop.

[1:20:36] This is Shannon.

[1:20:37] If I could, this might help out a little bit.

[1:20:39] Sure.

[1:20:40] You say pillar design and I think that's the folks here I think in like an architect design.

[1:20:46] They also do that fundraising negotiation piece for the reduced concrete that you talked about, correct?

[1:20:52] Yes, they handle things like that and they work directly with the Tony Hawk Foundation.

[1:20:55] So they do the whole management as well as design construction and installation.

[1:20:59] Yeah, and then they work with hand-in-hand with a construction company he's going to just built the new there's a new skate park in Nashville that's like immaculate

[1:21:10] I think that one's like half a million dollars, but so there builders built that one so they will work with this one builders who's just like they're just the best for skate parks

[1:21:19] And they've worked a lot in the East Coast and know that you know how to put concrete in the East Coast climate so that it will be effective in

[1:21:29] Yeah, they're very good, is that a professional designer, a professional installer?

[1:21:33] Yeah, that's what I was just asking for clarification, just because I know people

[1:21:38] here in designs and you think in all of it, like an architect, from what I saw there are a lot more.

[1:21:43] Second question, which if we can get everybody that comes before you to answer this,

[1:21:47] concisely, what do you want us to do?

[1:21:50] So the beginning of that would be closing the current skate park and immediately.

[1:21:55] Yeah, it can happen immediately and then getting the ramps out of there if possible

[1:22:00] I know you mentioned a concern about erosion getting the pavement up as well

[1:22:05] But just so when we have our funds ready and we're ready to install the concrete

[1:22:10] We won't run into any other hurdles

[1:22:13] Okay, we did have a discussion about that and I did say that if we were going to close it and remove the ramps

[1:22:19] I wouldn't peel the pavement up of course till they're ready to go because then you're going to get erosion of the subsurface commission conditions

[1:22:25] So, look, that shouldn't be a problem, but we'd still, you know,

[1:22:29] pale it up when it comes time for construction.

[1:22:32] Mr. Chairman, I think, Finn, let's get some, I know.

[1:22:36] I'm just waiting for him to finish.

[1:22:38] Maybe.

[1:22:39] Well, I think we're welcome to speak as well, and, yeah, so the other two

[1:22:44] handouts I have is a more in-depth summary of the Bar Harbor.

[1:22:48] This is from Pillar Designs, and then the last is our proposed budget for the

[1:22:54] are just outlining some of the grants available. Bill House said through looking at the

[1:23:01] state database for nonprofits that he's we're eligible for over a hundred grants.

[1:23:09] So he's retired from the state employee. He used to write grants and he's all of

[1:23:13] this and he just couldn't have a better person right now on his side. He's just dying to

[1:23:17] like, he just says he has too much time on his hands and he wants to help. So we're excited

[1:23:21] Thank you.

[1:23:23] Would you like to say something?

[1:23:33] I think as Brendan knows, and it's sometimes difficult for me on this topic.

[1:23:38] I'm very, very personally and emotionally involved with the state park having done the one who originally

[1:23:44] research and coordinated the original bill that we now are talking about.

[1:23:51] I agree 1,000 percent, and I know I've shared this with Brendan before.

[1:23:55] He is 100% right that the long-term goal without question is to build a completely new out of concrete.

[1:24:06] And as you recall, when I presented the Master of 15-year Master Plan for the Department,

[1:24:10] I included a section about the skate park to have this very discussion on how should we plan for the future.

[1:24:18] The only part that I'm a little bit confused about and I'll try to be real brief when we

[1:24:24] last discussed this to plan for the budget process going into the 2018 season.

[1:24:31] The direction that the Board of Select and Gave at that time was we had very specific

[1:24:36] repair plans for the skate park and we were going to stay open without supervision for the

[1:24:48] So we budget it, all of us planned, and we budget it to do and make the repairs that for the conditions

[1:24:54] that we're going to describe.

[1:24:56] We were going to see in the last repaint and filicracks properly with materials that would

[1:25:04] provide that safe transition of firms move, not rubber, but asphalt.

[1:25:10] And I've been assured by our local contractor that we have spoken with about the cracks that he can do that.

[1:25:17] The only reason that we haven't done the ramps yet is it's a terrible problem we've had over the past year and a half in general.

[1:25:28] When we go out to bid for projects, it takes us sometimes as many as three rounds to even get someone to apply.

[1:25:36] And I think Phil can attest to that.

[1:25:38] And that's what occurred on the sandblasting.

[1:25:40] We've now secured someone, we have someone in place in line ready to be scheduled and fill

[1:25:49] it as me to delay that until we had this discussion here in make a final decision.

[1:25:55] The only thing that I'm concerned about, I fully, like I said, support long-term concrete

[1:26:01] repair. I'm sorry, new install. But I would like those folks to be able to continue

[1:26:09] to enjoy the skate park. While we hopefully raise funds as a community and get to that

[1:26:16] point, which obviously we've all done fundraising. You can't always guarantee how quickly

[1:26:22] you can do that. And I also would like to carry out the plan that we all agree to as a budget

[1:26:29] I don't over the next two years, so that's, I think we're, we're actually a little that.

[1:26:36] Thank you.

[1:26:38] Mr. Chairman.

[1:26:39] I just, I have a question.

[1:26:40] Yes, Phil.

[1:26:40] No, Jamie.

[1:26:42] Go ahead.

[1:26:43] No fighting here.

[1:26:44] Sorry.

[1:26:44] Well, I have one comment to make about it for you.

[1:26:46] And then hang on one second.

[1:26:49] I just want to ask Vent a question.

[1:26:55] So Vent, you said that the agreement from the Slack board was to make the repair so that

[1:27:02] They could be continued being used and goes back to the question I asked for Brendan to Brendan

[1:27:08] How many people are waiting right now to use escape park because it's in disrepair? Are you getting calls? Are you getting requests?

[1:27:18] Is there I'm trying to understand the need?

[1:27:24] I really hope that we can like I said consider I think there is a need are the numbers lower today it over the past two to three years

[1:27:31] then they used to be and it's heyday certainly there's no doubt I think the lower numbers may have

[1:27:38] started a little bit before the conditions started to deteriorate and we as you may or may not recall

[1:27:46] 2010 in 2012 the department we see the real major cuts of the budget so we weren't able to do

[1:27:54] just made those annual repairs that we used to try to and that led to the conditions getting lower

[1:28:02] I certainly believe that if we were able to renovate, including the repairs that I described,

[1:28:08] I think would certainly generate new life, certainly make them safer, and I think attract more usage.

[1:28:16] The usage today is low. Yes.

[1:28:19] But I think there is a need because the kids deserve, not just kids.

[1:28:24] We have many users who are in, you know, in their 20s and 30s.

[1:28:29] Obviously kids as well, kids need to be given as many opportunities to exercise and get outdoors and do those things.

[1:28:37] And I think I would really hope we could continue to support the skate park.

[1:28:41] I think it's needed.

[1:28:42] Is anyone using, I went over there today and looked at it.

[1:28:46] It does look bad.

[1:28:48] Is anyone using it now in the current condition?

[1:28:51] The numbers are a little off you.

[1:28:53] You know, we'll get, we'll randomly check in them, obviously, we're not supervising any more.

[1:28:58] So we may have staff there, but I've instructed our staff to record and I do the same thing.

[1:29:04] I tried to check it a couple, three times a day and also in the evenings.

[1:29:09] I've been down there, and we've had five or six people down there.

[1:29:12] I've had times where I have where there was no one there.

[1:29:16] Typically, those are on the hotter days.

[1:29:18] Obviously, months of July, we had a lot of hot weather.

[1:29:21] numbers can be lowered due to the weather too, but you asked me, do I think it's needed?

[1:29:27] I really do.

[1:29:28] Okay.

[1:29:32] Bill?

[1:29:33] Mr. Chairman.

[1:29:34] Why?

[1:29:35] I agree within 100% that it's needed.

[1:29:39] And just to be clear, we have statutory liability immunity for the user recreational facilities,

[1:29:44] which is RSA-21234.

[1:29:47] So if something were to happen down there, we're technically not responsible for it.

[1:29:53] My concern becomes after the meeting that I had with Brendan and that, you know, he's, I don't want to say that.

[1:30:00] Speaker, what it uses is the park. My concern is that someone who uses the park has now told us

[1:30:05] it's dangerous and unsafe and has stated reasons why. Our say, 21234, be damned. If somebody

[1:30:12] tells me that, as I did when I emailed you folks, I have duty to bring that to your attention.

[1:30:17] And while I agree with you, then 100 percent that we have to do something for the kids, and we

[1:30:22] have to present all the opportunities that we can. We have to do it in the safe and effective manner.

[1:30:27] And if that's the case, if it's in that bad of shape, I would recommend that you close it.

[1:30:34] I mean, I know nobody, you know, I also, you know, you folks will tell them the three times I told you in that meeting.

[1:30:40] Maybe that's not the way you want to go.

[1:30:42] But, you know, they did feel strongly about it that it's unsafe.

[1:30:46] I mean, when I was about a hundred pounds lighter, I was able, I don't know.

[1:30:57] I have no subject matter knowledge today, but if we're being told that, I would highly recommend that you consider that decision.

[1:31:05] Well, so let me ask Vent a question again, then based on what you just said.

[1:31:08] You may ask Vent a question.

[1:31:10] Okay, thank you.

[1:31:11] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:31:12] I appreciate that.

[1:31:14] I like it.

[1:31:15] So, you said the select board agreed to this plan.

[1:31:21] You said the money's budgeted.

[1:31:23] We're hearing that they want to shut it down because it's unsafe.

[1:31:27] What is in your plan to fix it to the point where you believe it's not unsafe?

[1:31:34] So are you planning to prepare us to shut it down for a day or two and do the work that needs to be done?

[1:31:45] So I hear what Brendan is saying, which is that it's unsafe, but it's unsafe now.

[1:31:51] and there was already a plan in place to make improvements,

[1:31:55] which would then render it not unsafe.

[1:32:00] That's not.

[1:32:01] We would, both.

[1:32:02] To answer Gene's question, certainly we would have to close,

[1:32:05] we would advertise and close, you know,

[1:32:08] let the community know that we're close for maintenance,

[1:32:10] to do those repairs.

[1:32:11] Right.

[1:32:12] And then we open, right.

[1:32:13] We open two week period roughly.

[1:32:18] Mr. Chairman.

[1:32:19] Yes, Phil.

[1:32:19] That's not, and we can't make that with the technology completely safe.

[1:32:24] The screws are still going to come out.

[1:32:26] The surface is still uneven.

[1:32:29] So that's something to consider.

[1:32:30] I'm not saying it's the old thing, but we can sandblast the metal.

[1:32:35] We can patch the stuff, but the way of that construction that it's still.

[1:32:39] That thing's going to come apart.

[1:32:41] It's old.

[1:32:42] And I can testify to that.

[1:32:44] There was sandblasting that happened on there recently.

[1:32:47] One ramp was done and it did improve the condition. Yes, it did it make the ramp completely safe. No

[1:32:55] There's currently the sheet metal on top of it is on the sheets are uneven. They don't link up

[1:33:00] So riding over it bend down screws stick up and as a skateboard

[1:33:05] I find it's really difficult the skate so we it's not fun and

[1:33:10] It's still not 100% safe and it's only going to deteriorate again up

[1:33:14] which is why I've found it futile to put expenses into that park at this point when we're desperately raising money every dollar counts into the new concrete skate park.

[1:33:30] If we were to shut this back down and you continued to run or try and raise money, what's your long term thinking of when this might be redeveloped?

[1:33:43] Summer 2019, grant writing teams going to be very busy, including me as well, getting my hands

[1:33:49] very in that field, and I think we're going to have a lot of success, success, because of

[1:33:56] how tenacious we'll be, and if that proves to be so, in the summer and the skate park is,

[1:34:03] you guys have done demolition, and we're ready to go, and we could have a skate park there

[1:34:07] by Fall 2019.

[1:34:09] Mr. Chairman.

[1:34:11] Yes, Phil.

[1:34:11] How long is the construction cycle, Brendan?

[1:34:13] How long it takes to build a couple of months.

[1:34:17] Thank you.

[1:34:19] Mr. Chairman?

[1:34:20] Yes, Jane.

[1:34:21] Thank you.

[1:34:22] So what, let's say this happens, you raise the money,

[1:34:28] you rebuild the park.

[1:34:31] What are the ongoing maintenance costs

[1:34:35] And how does that get funded?

[1:34:38] So that what happened this time doesn't happen next time.

[1:34:42] So what would happen with concrete is impossible to happen?

[1:34:47] It's not, it's just because it's such a different material,

[1:34:49] and you have such a different skate park, it's hard to compare the tube.

[1:34:51] You don't have the same, you don't have screws,

[1:34:54] you don't have paint, you don't have a sheet metal.

[1:34:58] So the type of maintenance that would have to happen over the years is,

[1:35:01] you know, if 10 years down the line,

[1:35:04] There's a cracks somewhere with concrete.

[1:35:07] That's not a big issue.

[1:35:08] You can put more concrete in there, smooth it out.

[1:35:13] For example, the earliest skate parks that are concrete were built

[1:35:16] in the 1970s, and they're still in use today.

[1:35:19] They have had maintenance over the years, but it's minimal.

[1:35:23] And fundraising, yeah.

[1:35:25] So you put private fundraising code you

[1:35:28] happen to if there needs to be repairs.

[1:35:29] do that if it's a couple hundred dollars that's not a big issue.

[1:35:36] My point would be I think I agree with you that having looked at the condition of it

[1:35:41] the size of the cracks and the texture of the pavement that I'm not against you recommending

[1:35:47] closing my thing down.

[1:35:49] My other thought is also we put money in and it's budget to repair this that there are many

[1:35:56] other things that it could be used for this particular year besides the skateboard park.

[1:36:01] whether this causes a hate and discontent for a year among young people that don't have a skatewood park

[1:36:09] but it would give them something to look forward to in the future.

[1:36:18] Well, if the skate park is closed and our plan is to rebuild in 2019,

[1:36:25] we can't use it in the winter anyways, so there's not going to be that much discontent

[1:36:28] And if there is, I invite any young person who is just satisfied to, you know, reach out to me, reach out to you guys and get involved with this project.

[1:36:39] Mr. Chairman?

[1:36:40] Yes.

[1:36:40] I think if I remember correctly when we met, you said there was one person and you mentioned them by.

[1:36:45] So you didn't think that there was a lot.

[1:36:47] There was going to be a lot.

[1:36:48] Sometimes I've gone down, which will be either like after I get out of work so later at night or something.

[1:36:53] Just one kid who consistently goes there.

[1:36:56] I'm sure there's others who go from time to time, but it's just you didn't expect that you were going to hear a large group that was going to come before this group and say, you know, the Selectman and say, hey, why do you do that?

[1:37:08] There's going to be some people who are discontent, but this is preventative. We're doing this to provide a scape, a long lasting scape in the future, and if they are discontent, I would invite them to join our effort and help fund raise.

[1:37:25] As in, this content or notice content, this game park, it can't last much longer than it is right now.

[1:37:36] So you might as well try to renovate it before, you know, instead of just letting it stay open a few more years,

[1:37:43] and then coming to a point where it closes and no one's done anything.

[1:37:49] You have another question for you, Brendan.

[1:37:53] I'd just like to make sure I understand the in-kind support.

[1:37:58] Obviously, we would be providing the location for it.

[1:38:02] And you mentioned the demolition, removing what's there now.

[1:38:06] And I assume that includes the asphalt surface, et cetera.

[1:38:10] What else are you looking for the town to do to help with the construction of this?

[1:38:14] I can't say specifically up this moment,

[1:38:16] but after I signed with Pillar, they're going to be contacting you and they can let you know exactly what would be the most efficient way to give them help in that sort of incondonations.

[1:38:31] Mr. Chair? Yes.

[1:38:33] Yes.

[1:38:33] There's a question for Phil.

[1:38:39] Sounds like, and I would donate my time personally to be a part of this to help you, but kind of like I could work with them on a personal basis.

[1:38:47] So we know what the plans are, so we know, because right now we've got a young man who's

[1:38:52] very passionate, trying to put this all together, but how are we going to know how the

[1:38:56] fundraiser's going, how do we keep track of it and all that stuff?

[1:39:01] Well, it sounds to me like, and Brendan, you can correct me from wrong, it sounds to me like,

[1:39:06] you're going to come back to us sometime next spring, maybe winter and say, okay, here's

[1:39:12] where we are, I've been gauge this firm, pillar design,

[1:39:17] they've lined up what we need to do,

[1:39:20] and then they might, let's say before,

[1:39:23] then get in contact with us about any kind for the town.

[1:39:26] Yeah, at pillar, as being myself, one person,

[1:39:30] when I talk to pillar, they're like, yes,

[1:39:32] we're going to be able to take a lot of that stress

[1:39:33] off your shoulders because that's type of thing that they can do as well.

[1:39:37] I mean, with the private fundraising,

[1:39:39] I mean, that's something that all, all have to keep you guys updated with, but as far as the grants and everything else goes, that pillar can provide a report for you.

[1:39:51] Mr. Chairman, one of the things?

[1:39:53] Yes.

[1:39:57] Just, you can front load here.

[1:40:00] You're meeting with Pillar, and I think at this point with what we have budgeted and what we plan to budget in the future,

[1:40:06] But that would be about the limit of our in-kind support would be to demo it, you know,

[1:40:12] take the pavement up and make the site level and possibly do something with the fence.

[1:40:16] Other than that, we're not going to have to wear with all weather internally or externally

[1:40:20] to do it.

[1:40:21] We don't have that type of craft on staff, so when it comes to like design, pouring, and putting

[1:40:26] it together, that's not stuff we can handle.

[1:40:29] Well, that's going to be, they're going to contact you and you'll just have to tell them

[1:40:35] in what ways you can help, and make it easy for them if we're not giving them an unreasonable

[1:40:42] expectation before you go at that's okay.

[1:40:46] Any other questions?

[1:40:48] I do, Mr. Chairman.

[1:40:55] This company pillar, are there other companies like that like this in the US?

[1:41:01] There aren't many.

[1:41:02] There are some, mostly in the West Coast.

[1:41:04] So, my concern, I guess, is it sounds like you're putting a lot of faith in the company,

[1:41:12] and I think this community, and I know personally,

[1:41:19] from personal experience, that you put

[1:41:20] your faith in a company or an organization, and they're not all that they cracked up to be,

[1:41:26] and I just had you done any of this.

[1:41:29] I've done a lot of research.

[1:41:30] Okay, so you talked to other people who are other folks who've worked with this,

[1:41:34] group and you know you feel confident. Yeah, one of the other people that have been helping me

[1:41:40] Dan Lassada, he's a resident of LaConia, but he grew up in the area. He moved to Florida for a while,

[1:41:46] but he was in the fundraising there for skate parks. He personally knows people from there for him,

[1:41:52] and he's the ones who got in contact with me, and just because they're so prolific with their successes

[1:41:58] with skate parks that they actually do help bring to fruition, and as well that the fact they worked

[1:42:03] directly with the Tony Hawk Foundation, they really are the best out there in this and they

[1:42:11] do it, you know, it is a selfish thing as well, because to get paid, they need to produce

[1:42:17] a skate park and making that with working with the nonprofit, it's applying for grants.

[1:42:22] So I do have quite a strong faith in them, I mean if, yeah, if it's something falls through,

[1:42:28] I'm prepared to, you know, it's just going to take longer to fundraise, but it's.

[1:42:35] Are you familiar with the fundraising effort they did up in Plummouth a couple years ago

[1:42:41] for the ski jump?

[1:42:42] No, I'm not familiar.

[1:42:44] No.

[1:42:45] So I can talk to you later.

[1:42:47] There's some folks who did some amazing fundraising for the ski jump

[1:42:51] on that.

[1:42:53] So you might look for other folks who have that expertise to help you with fundraising.

[1:42:57] Yeah, I would appreciate any help.

[1:43:04] Mr. Chair.

[1:43:05] Yes, Mike.

[1:43:06] Although escape park with dangerous tricks or jumps is kind of an option more on because escape

[1:43:12] parks are dangerous, but in his words, it's a dangerous sport and we'll have a soccer field

[1:43:18] sees more opportunities than the escape park.

[1:43:20] So anyways, I guess at this point we're at the point where we have to shut it down

[1:43:27] at least for a while, we have to give interactive towards fixing those or not, is that what we're

[1:43:34] right?

[1:43:35] I'd like that.

[1:43:36] Yeah, that's why I asked to hold off on the expenditure because if we were going to close

[1:43:41] it, it wouldn't make sense to do it, but that's a policy decision.

[1:43:46] I'm not prepared to make that.

[1:43:47] That's up to you, Fox.

[1:43:48] So I think we're on that.

[1:43:50] None of us want to shut it down, but I think we have to.

[1:43:53] I tend to agree with Brendan if he's a year out, the funds can be used better.

[1:43:59] I'm not saying which you go in and tear apart those things or do anything at this time.

[1:44:04] I think we ought to sit on it and if it turns out the fundraising doesn't work and

[1:44:08] we're five years out then I think it's going to be worth trying to get something going for

[1:44:12] those gifts or we're not waiting five years and skateboarding goes away but that's just how

[1:44:16] I feel.

[1:44:17] Well, you just messed up in any time, if you want to build a skate park, that's what I mean.

[1:44:23] Mr. Chairman, yes, my concern with leaving them up is you're now creating an attractive

[1:44:29] nuisance, it's kind of like an empty swimming pool. If you've made the decision that you feel

[1:44:34] it's unsafe and it should be closed, there's not a lot left there to rehabilitate, it's not

[1:44:39] like it's a concrete structure we can patch it. Without spending a lot of money there's not

[1:44:44] you can do to it. So I would implore upon you that if you are closing it, let's close it and get rid of the attractive nuisance if we fail it's that much of a concern.

[1:44:58] So, first of all, I'd like to...

[1:45:00] Thank you, Brendan, for all your hard work. I also want to just say that I have a lot of faith and confidence

[1:45:08] in inventing his expertise in what he does for the community. And this is not deciding to shut this down,

[1:45:17] is not a reflection on you vent. I think you've been very, I

[1:45:29] don't even know what the word is.

[1:45:30] But you have our best interest at heart

[1:45:34] and I appreciate that and I think you do a great job.

[1:45:38] So, but hearing everything else in the fact

[1:45:42] that it doesn't sound like even shutting it down

[1:45:45] to make those repairs are going to fix some of the issues

[1:45:49] like the screws coming out and that sort of thing.

[1:45:51] I would,

[1:45:58] could you come to the mic, Jim?

[1:46:00] Yeah, come on

[1:46:03] up.

[1:46:04] Fixing screws and repairing those would be part

[1:46:07] that whole process of seeing blasting and peeing that would take place and I'm not going to

[1:46:14] deny I'm very disappointed I really am only because that was the directive that I was given

[1:46:19] to proceed for the as I said for the next two years so we're now ready to do that but obviously

[1:46:28] I respect the board's seasonal carry out whatever wishes you have

[1:46:38] but okay you're looking at me

[1:46:40] And I've been cooking over here about a half an hour.

[1:46:44] I'd like to see it stay open for the rest of the season.

[1:46:48] However, liability is the other thing.

[1:46:51] I can see two sides of that there.

[1:46:53] So I'm not happy about that part there.

[1:46:57] That's I think I have to lean to the liability side.

[1:47:01] The second thing is, though, when I'd like to see

[1:47:04] before we go in, and shall we say disrupt everything by November, December, I'd like to

[1:47:11] have Chris, I guess I'll lay this on you, and update where we are.

[1:47:15] That's Peter.

[1:47:16] Peter, I'll just, all in a family, anyway, yeah, Peter, I'm sorry, I'll update where the heck

[1:47:23] we are on fundraising and things, because as I guess they don't want to say we dig a hole

[1:47:30] and we stop following into it.

[1:47:32] And that way, I think postponing public works

[1:47:36] at least for a while until we can see

[1:47:39] where the heck we're at.

[1:47:43] Because I went through this event

[1:47:46] noses from way back when we in 2009,

[1:47:52] were cutting everything in sight, because of financial streams.

[1:47:57] So we say, we lost the life cards, and the life cards

[1:47:59] and have it come back. I don't want to lose the skate park and say it never comes back.

[1:48:05] So that's my quandary. That's why.

[1:48:13] And microphone. You just have to introduce yourself to Peter. I'm sorry.

[1:48:21] Hi, Pete Thorn right here. So I would be reporting back from Brandon. He's going to provide, you know,

[1:48:27] we can get on maybe a march or even sooner meeting.

[1:48:31] And I can give you guys either one, two, three updates throughout the winter on where he's at.

[1:48:36] with the budget and the fundraising, and that kind of thing.

[1:48:41] But I agree, I don't want to lose the skatepark as my life hurts, you know?

[1:48:50] It's my dad's memorial, so I really don't want to see a go either,

[1:48:54] which is why I've been fundraising for this.

[1:48:58] So, well, if we did postpone on closing it, would these repairs then go happen at the skatepark?

[1:49:08] Mr. Chairman, I think Nate, you were proposing to close it, but just not rip everything

[1:49:13] out right away.

[1:49:14] So we close it immediately.

[1:49:16] That's what we wouldn't demo it.

[1:49:18] I do.

[1:49:19] No.

[1:49:19] My point is, if we're going to close it, it's going to be close in time.

[1:49:25] Why put the money in and refurbish on what we go?

[1:49:28] But on the other hand, don't take and rip up everything that's already there and then we

[1:49:34] have nothing.

[1:49:35] Yeah, that's the same as we have a whole, yeah, that's my thought, John.

[1:49:40] Again, just so Mike knows that my concern with that was that it becomes that attractive

[1:49:46] nuisance if you do that, but if we chain it up and close it, I mean I could live with that,

[1:49:52] but still you know there are, even though we have statutory liability, this is up to debate

[1:50:01] where we've now said, we think that it might be a hazard.

[1:50:08] I would say that since utilization is falling off pretty

[1:50:13] significantly and that maybe, as you say,

[1:50:16] due to the condition, you don't know why, but if it's

[1:50:20] if it is low utilization, we do very little harm

[1:50:23] by closing it.

[1:50:25] And in fact, if you really can pull off, and I hope

[1:50:30] you can, and we're rooting for you, if you can pull off

[1:50:32] implementing by next year that it would have been rather a waste of money to be putting improvements in now that would hardly be done in time for the whole season.

[1:50:44] So it would just seem to me that it would be most prudent of us for lots of reasons to just close it.

[1:50:53] But that's putting more pressure on you because we don't want to see it close for a long period.

[1:50:59] Yeah, I'm running it back in business to save it to use.

[1:51:03] Yeah, well, you know, I'm aware that not many kids are using it right now, and that's, and that the fact

[1:51:08] it has gotten so far gone, so when I initially started fundraising last year, I was always in my head,

[1:51:14] this needs to be rebuilt in concrete, you know, a lifelong skateboarder, and I'll,

[1:51:18] great parks out west, and a lot of new East Coast concrete parks, and it's just the usage,

[1:51:25] the quality, everything is so much better about them.

[1:51:33] My recommendation would be, we leave the park open to the first of September.

[1:51:39] We put a sign up close until further notice, and then come next March, when you decide

[1:51:44] you've got money or you don't, then it gets them old, and progress, signs get put up, that

[1:51:51] progress is going to be a new rank.

[1:51:53] That's just a recommendation.

[1:51:58] Mr. Chairman, could I just throw something on that?

[1:52:02] Of course. My concern is that again, the liability.

[1:52:07] We've had a lot of discussions tonight about it.

[1:52:09] If you're going to close it, you've got to close it immediately.

[1:52:11] Yeah, don't close this September first.

[1:52:13] Please.

[1:52:15] If you accept that premise.

[1:52:18] All right. I will redesign that.

[1:52:21] We would close it immediately, lock the gate, put a sign on it, close it until further notice and hopefully by next March you would have a great report for us that says we are going to be able to go forward and

[1:52:34] spring to start to build an escape board and at that time public works would help you demolish

[1:52:40] what's there and get the area ready.

[1:52:47] This one last comment if I could, more so for clarification for all of us, we've mentioned

[1:52:53] many times staying on the same page and this will be a very, very large project with a lot

[1:52:58] of coordination involved.

[1:53:00] Last fall, Brenda will remember, we had about a 68 member committee where we started talking

[1:53:05] about all these topics, we carefully inspected the ramps and part of that whole process was

[1:53:11] if and when we and we all hope we do get to the point that we build a new cement concrete

[1:53:17] skate park. If before any commitments are made financially including private because they are

[1:53:26] on private, all the work will be on private.

[1:53:30] I'm a emotional sorry public property, town of Meredith Skate Park, correct me if I'm wrong

[1:53:38] feel that your direction to me then and for me to the committee was we would have to follow

[1:53:43] all purchasing procedures as we normally do with all of our purchases so that would I think

[1:53:50] automatically keep us. In other words this is so large that we would have to go out to bid for

[1:53:55] various pieces of parts. Well, if they're going to donate the whole park, which is what the

[1:54:02] discussion didn't surround around originally. It was going to be, we were going to get money,

[1:54:07] and it was going to be constructed. If somebody's going to come in and say, we're going to donate

[1:54:12] a park constructed, turn key to the town, then of course we would wave our procurement. Okay,

[1:54:19] but what we wouldn't wave and please listen to this, what we wouldn't wave are the insurance

[1:54:24] And the bonding requirements, which means the contract that has to have insurance, which I gather

[1:54:30] he would, and he would have to present the bond for the faithful performance of whatever gets done

[1:54:34] because it's on town property.

[1:54:37] But if someone's going to give us an item, let's say a fire truck, a skate park, we of course,

[1:54:44] because our procurement says we can wave in the best inches of the town.

[1:54:47] Now, if they're going to give us a check, that's a town project.

[1:54:50] It all goes out to bid, we have to hire, you know, they saw those procedures.

[1:54:54] That's the only change to what I told you, but yeah, you were good.

[1:54:58] One more question for it.

[1:55:00] Since he's up there.

[1:55:01] What is the downside?

[1:55:05] Why do you not want to see a closed date?

[1:55:07] You heard low attendance.

[1:55:09] So what's the downside of closing it and then raising the money in rebuilding?

[1:55:14] Downside is just simply that to close a ski park that's been in our community

[1:55:18] in the second, you know, so that everyone this is out with being able to utilize it.

[1:55:23] But when you say everyone, what are we talking about?

[1:55:26] To two people, twenty people, five hundred people.

[1:55:29] Yes, and I don't but I agree with Brendan that if he, he and I agree, we disagree

[1:55:35] on maybe short-term long-term goals because I do still feel strongly that we should make

[1:55:41] the repairs that we were all planning to do.

[1:55:45] I feel bad that it due to the market, the way things are out there, that we weren't able to secure a contractor sooner.

[1:55:53] I mean, I wish we could have done that first day.

[1:55:55] But I'm disappointed that we weren't able to carry out our original plan.

[1:56:02] And so to be with the downside is that it's closed for a year.

[1:56:06] Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[1:56:07] Thank you.

[1:56:10] Karen, sit. I'll just just. I was wondering if if the vote goes to actually close it

[1:56:19] for now could and I guess it's $8,000 that has been budgeted and raised. Could that money

[1:56:26] being covered for the rebuild at that point? If you're not going to, if you're not going

[1:56:34] fix it, and that money was raised specifically for the repairs to escape our board park.

[1:56:42] Could you uncover that money so it could be handed over for the new facility?

[1:56:50] The rules on and conferences are, it has to be for a project or a program that's already

[1:56:54] in the process, you know, from one year to the next.

[1:56:59] So you're talking to projects, you're talking building a new skate park and performing maintenance

[1:57:03] on an existing one. If you don't have an existing one, then it's not a valid reason to

[1:57:07] encumber money. It was scheduled for repairs, not for new construction.

[1:57:12] But the project is dealing with a skate park. A skateboard park. If you don't get so my

[1:57:21] new in details, whether to repair or rebuild, it's still a skateboard project. So I was

[1:57:36] just

[1:57:36] It seems to me that's not the intent of incumbent funds for projects that we're doing switching to.

[1:57:44] And I wanted it as very specific.

[1:57:46] It could make me think though,

[1:57:49] that even though it's different than even different budget year,

[1:57:54] I believe Brendan, you told me that

[1:57:58] the Friends of the Community Center is a 501C3 nonprofit.

[1:58:04] We do support through funding many non-profits that comes up in our budget.

[1:58:11] They ask for money for support.

[1:58:14] Oh, I'll say it.

[1:58:15] Right.

[1:58:15] That's what it is.

[1:58:16] Is there anything that would preclude the friends of the community center for asking us for funding?

[1:58:26] Nope.

[1:58:27] They could file an outside agency funding request, just like all of our other outside agencies.

[1:58:32] Go for that.

[1:58:32] seen perfectly reasonable to me where they to do that, and it were the amount we were able

[1:58:37] to save by closing it, that money would be reasonably important to

[1:58:46] it.

[1:58:46] It seems like it would be a better way than, well, if you're not, if you're not, if you're

[1:58:50] not, if you're not.

[1:58:50] Because then we've got the talent involved, and you'd have to do a different way of building

[1:58:58] it, right?

[1:58:59] No, not necessarily, because we just hand out sight agency money over to those agencies.

[1:59:04] You know agencies request it and we hand it over to them and they do with it as AC fit and they're all fight

[1:59:09] They're either a C3 or one of those sections. There's like three or four of the sections of the tax code

[1:59:14] So this would be the same

[1:59:16] This would be a similar instance. I'm saying a money that we

[1:59:19] Technically put in vences budget to just specifically for the skateboard repairs if we took that money

[1:59:26] Oh, no, then you're not doing that then you've got a whole

[1:59:30] You're not doing that what you do is

[1:59:33] What you're doing is is a file and outside agency application has part of the 2019 budget.

[1:59:40] We decide whether we want to fund it or not at a specific amount using 2019 money.

[1:59:52] And Karen, I know that's splitting hairs with the encumbrances, but that's what our audit is of very specific on.

[2:00:06] I think we beat it to death.

[2:00:11] So I guess we need a motion here to establish staying open, repair, closing.

[2:00:20] So, I would like to propose a motion then that we close the skate park immediately until we understand completely, at least the schedule for the replacement park.

[2:00:39] Is there a second?

[2:00:43] I'll second it. Is there any more discussion?

[2:00:50] Hearing none? All those in favor?

[2:00:55] Aye. Aye.

[2:00:57] Opposed?

[2:00:59] Aye.

[2:01:00] It's carried.

[2:01:03] Nobody opposed, it was just as unanimous?

[2:01:05] Yes. Okay.

[2:01:07] Thank you.

[2:01:11] Any other whole business?

[2:01:13] Mr. Chairman, I will work the details I was meant to

[2:01:15] about that, we're going to put up a small sign that says it's closed, I'm not going to put

[2:01:20] up that.

[2:01:21] We don't need a billboard.

[2:01:23] Nope.

[2:01:24] We will work that out tomorrow.

[2:01:29] If there's nothing else, I would like to adjourn as meeting at 6.30.

[2:01:34] Thank you all for attending.

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