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interest.
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>> All right.
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I'm going to go back and and sit back up
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front. But I just wanted to let you know
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how this committee meeting, not a public
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workshop, is going to be handled. I
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don't know if anybody has seen me at a
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finance committee meeting.
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>> True.
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>> How I run my committee meeting.
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>> Um we go through and the committee
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members discuss whatever the topic is.
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For instance, when we do the finance
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committee meetings, we are discussing
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the docket and any ordinances and things
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like that. Uh we vote on approval of the
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docket within the committee meeting and
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then I go back and report that to the
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council and they make a vote to approve
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uh what I bring to them after the
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committee meeting. So they basically
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affirm our vote on the docket. I do not
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put public comments in my committee
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meetings. So, public comment will be
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September 15th at the uh council
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meeting. So, we'll give it a come public
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comment. And what's going to happen is
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they're going to discuss some things up
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here and if they have changes or any
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additions that they want to make in a
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committee meeting, they'll make a motion
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to change such and such. the rest of the
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committee members will vote on it and
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[snorts] if it's approved then that
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change will be put into the ordinance
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coming up from the next time and that's
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how we do the committee meetings that's
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how I do mine um been going at this but
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we haven't done one in a long time but
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in my first uh term my first four years
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in 2016 up to 2020 this is how our
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committee meetings were held we didn't
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do the the public workshops that we do
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now um so this is how this is going to
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take notes if you're going to have
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questions and you can show up at the uh public council meeting on SE
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September 15th when the council or when
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this ordinance actually comes up on the
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agenda. We'll do public comment as
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usual. All right. you will get a chance
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for public comment but just not in this
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meeting because we're going to discuss
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what we're doing here and I'll go ahead
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and get started and if there any other
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committee members want to make a comment
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um you go ahead and make comment to the
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line
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>> yes
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» okay [clears throat] so um I've taken a
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lesson from President Tman
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and I've written down to say today. So,
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um, please, if it's boring, I do
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apologize for that, but I want to be
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sure I cover what I want to cover. Um,
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first, I want to give heartfelt thanks
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to the additional four city council
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members
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um, who joined Joe, Daisy, and me as
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co-sponsors for this data center
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development moratorum. I think it shows
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a lot of interest in this topic and also
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it shows support for a data center
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development moratorum for our community.
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Also, I've been working on a data center
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moratorum for much of the summer as has
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Joe also um and I want to acknowledge
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Daisy's support in this. My motivation
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in doing this has been the challenges my
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residents in Ward 6 have been dealing
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with at the Google Dana Center
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construction site for over a year and my
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concern over being helpless to assist
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them in any meaningful way.
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Um I originally had hoped the um data
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center development moratorum to address
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these three things and I just want to go
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over those very briefly. This is simply
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to put a pause on data center
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considerations.
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It's not to begin working out all of the
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details about protections for our
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residents and our community regarding
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pollution and many other um issues and
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concerns that have been brought up. The
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second thing is I'm requesting the
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planning department and planning
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commission update their codes to
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specifically include data centers while
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they're not listed at all right now
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while receiving input from our council
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and residents during the moratorum
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period. I want to state very clearly
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that none of the m municipalities around
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us that I could see had included data
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centers in any of their um any of their
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um zoning codes. So none of us were
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prepared for what has come to our
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communities.
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Thirdly, I had originally set the time
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frame as indefinite and temporary so as
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not to put the planning department and
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planning commission into a position to
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have to complete this within a time
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frame that may not fit within their
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priorities. Um, I want to be sensitive
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to the number of new building permits,
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um, new developments, many questions
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that they have coming to them and
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inquiries regarding new building in
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Michigan City.
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Um yet I have reconsidered this based on
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feedback received from both city council
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persons and members of the community.
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Um, I believe there are two different
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thoughts that that need to be addressed
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this evening and I hope we can come to
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agreement
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on hopefully and hopefully this meeting
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to be included in a revised data center
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moratorum and these would be to remove
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the indefinite and set up a pathway that
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would allow the moratorum to begin when
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passed.
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Then the clock starts when Google
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actually begins operation.
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um at the facility on Royal Road. Um I
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don't think it matters if it's a
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one-year, 18-month, or two-year period
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that we're actually watching their
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operations, but this would be an
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opportune time for us to collect
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information regarding facility
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compliance, cleanliness, neighborhood
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status, and community partnerships. So
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those could be included and evaluated.
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And with this information, we could loop
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back to any zoning updates for data
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center development.
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Plus, I do see this as an excellent
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opportunity to have a case study written
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and published by one of the Indiana
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universities that has a sustainability
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or environmental department. In this
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way, Michigan City could actually become
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a procedural role model um for other
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communities that may be facing um a data
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center coming to their um area. Also
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um the second thing is the paragraph
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which addresses the role of planning
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department, planning commission and
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planning zoning committee. I think it's
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in it's important to indicate who's
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responsible for what in addition to
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ensuring that our residents and
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community have a role in identifying
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what's important to them via workshops
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and public hearings.
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Um, I will have to admit that I haven't
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been able to have a face-toface sitdown
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meeting with all of those groups. And
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um, that is a a bad on my part and no
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excuses, but this is the first ordinance
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that I have ever taken on to author and
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I didn't realize all of the various
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um, layers of involvement that are
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involved in this process. So, please
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accept my sincere apologies regarding
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that. But I think it's important to from
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this point forward move forward. And I
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know that most of Joe's input was
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focused in this particular paragraph and
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I think ignoring it would be a
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disservice to him and all of the people
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that have a vested interest in this
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ordinance.
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Um, finally, I just want to say I
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believe we have an opportunity to do
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something of significance for our
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residents and community. And it's my
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sincere hope that we'll be able to come
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to agreement um on the above two points
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realizing that what's important is
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listening to our constituents with the
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request to do this now and quickly which
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will hopefully not result in this being
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tabled since we have the two challenges
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defined above and which I'm hoping we
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can find um common ground this evening.
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Thank you.
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>> All right. Uh, Councilman uh Nelson,
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would you want to comment on anything
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before we get into the actual ordinance
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discussion of the ordinance?
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>> Um, I just want to be brief. Thank
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everybody for coming out, showing your
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support. I know this is important and um a city changing issue that everybody
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um wants input on.
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Hopefully within the 30 minutes, you
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know, we can um try to put together
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something that's um in the middle for
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everybody. I know not going to make
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everybody happy with everything we
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choose, but I promise to try my best.
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So,
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that's it.
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And my final comment before we actually
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start discussing any changes that any of
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the committee members want to make to
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this ordinance. Um
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there's going to be a lot more meetings,
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a lot more people have to get involved
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in order to make this right. Um there's
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no way we're going to finish this in one
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night. Um because I said we're going to
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have to meet with planning uh because
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we're going to have zoning issues that
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are going to have to be taken care of as
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well. Um, so what we're doing now is
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what's on the table is the the
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ordinance. So, we're going to try to
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address any changes they want to make. I noticed one right away with Nancy
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talked about uh taking out the
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indefinite. So, we'll make a motion to
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scratch that. We'll vote and we'll go.
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That's how committee meetings work. But,
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this is going to take some time. Um, cuz
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like I said, there going to be numerous
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departments that are going to be
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affected that have to get involved.
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We're not going to rush them. We're not
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going to push them. We want to get it
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right. Um, someone pointed out to me um
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that the city of Portage just passed
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something. Um, I could not get the
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actual ordinance, but my phone did give
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me a rundown of what they did, things
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like building height, uh, setbacks away
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from residents and things of that sort.
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I didn't get a chance to see it. Didn't
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get a chance to bring it. Um, so that
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would be something that I would want to
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see, uh, with us moving forward. And
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each council person that was at the
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meeting, everybody talked about how they
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wanted to do the uh moratorum. I was the
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one that actually was saying that I want
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to do a year
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>> [clears throat]
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>> uh after you know the the data center
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that we're going to have now is going to
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be running so we can collect actual data
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to be able to see actual data in terms
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of water usage in terms of NIPCO um
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noise and all of that. So, we're
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comparing apples to apples rather than,
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you know, someone coming forth and keep
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saying, "Well, I saw in Memphis or I saw
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in Texas, we would actually be talking
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about what's happening in Michigan
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City." But like I said, everybody had a
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little bit of something different and it
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all is going to have to come together
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and but you do see that everybody is in
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favor of doing a moratorum. So, that is
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off the table because everybody's
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talking about doing it. We want to do
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this. Uh, but it has to be done. uh like
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I said with all the the different
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departments here uh to make sure that
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it's done correctly. Um and I know we
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had this whole issue with the first uh
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when uh the data center first came here
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how they came and bought the property
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that was um zone M1. People didn't get a
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chance to see what was actually
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happening. You felt like it was done.
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Some people felt like it was done behind
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their back. I understand that. not going
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to try to beat somebody up over that. Uh
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because me as a council person, I do
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could see more things happening than
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what you do. So, I do understand. Um but
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it's going to take us a little bit of
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time to get these things done, but we do
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want to do a moratorum um and I think
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most of the council members, if not all,
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I don't want to speak for everybody, but
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wants to put a moratorum on at some
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point um to get this thing moving
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forward. Like I said, the details are
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going to have to be worked out. So with
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that I will start uh going through we
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talk we'll talk about the ordinance.
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Have you guys identified anything in
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this ordinance that you want to change
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that you want to substitute make changes
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to because once again we can start with NY's if you want to make a motion
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to
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>> I move we remove end up in that from the
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title and every place that appears
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throughout the or whole ordinance.
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>> Okay. and I support. There was a motion.
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That's a second. And now, uh, all those
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in favor say I. I.
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>> I.
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>> So, that motion passes unanimously. So,
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that will be brought to the council for
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the council to vote on that. It'll be an
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amendment by substitution. So, this is
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how this is going to continue to go with
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any changes that they may have. Joe, did
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you have anything that you wanted to
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bring up and talk about as well?
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>> Section three.
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Um well first off let's go section two
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definition
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>> section two section two section two
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definitions okay if we do not define
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particular words and terms legally do we
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leave oursel open for misinterpretation
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>> then this is always going to be in my
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mind good for our attorneys to see it
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city attorneys planning all the
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attorneys at some point are going to
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have to approve the wording
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So, that's a good question. Um, I don't
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know if you want to make a motion to
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make a change right now or if you want
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to wait to see, you know, after they
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meet and you'll have more input in it um
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in order to make those changes down the
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line.
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>> When you say meet, do we have a um a
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time schedule?
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>> We do not at this point. We do not. I
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just wanted to get this finished.
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>> And then, like I said, you will
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definitely be in it. You guys are are
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sponsors. So, you'll have a chance to be
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in those conversations with the
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attorneys, with the different
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departments, and you'll be able to
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>> I don't want to take it out and not able
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to put nothing in there.
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>> I got you. I got you.
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>> And that actually was inserted by our
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city council lawyers. Okay.
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>> So, I I can't verify that.
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>> Okay. So,
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>> the reason behind it, I cannot speak to
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that.
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>> Okay.
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>> So, at this point, would you want to
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make a motion to like you said, remove
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or you want hold for now?
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>> Yes. Cuz if I remove there's nothing
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there. Correct.
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>> That's right.
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>> Right. I don't want I don't want to be
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>> and and that makes sense. You get more
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information and you you make your motion
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on what you want to do with it. So that
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does make sense, Joe. I I understand
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that more than you think.
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>> Okay. Um
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>> and you said another section
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>> section three. Um I love what you said
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about you know extending where we gather
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more information about the process once
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they open it. Mhm.
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>> Um, how do we go about interpreting that
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into language? And far as a definitive
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date, what are we looking for as far as
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definitive date so we can kind of close
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in a senative window,
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>> right? And like I said, but it was it
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was something I thought of at the
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meeting, threw it out there.
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>> So, I didn't have a chance to run that
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by any attorneys or anything like that,
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but it was simple what I said. I would
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just like to see the memoratorium at
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least stretched out a year past the
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actual operation date of the new data
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center because it gives us a year at
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least to be able to uh see actual data
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like I said that we can gather with our
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data center that is running to be able
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to compare um like I said you know
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people have issues with with different
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things like water I keep going back to
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these three water NIPCO uh noise and so
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forth so that is why I said that right
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now I'm not going to vote to throw what
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in there because there's still you have
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ideas, she has ideas, Don had an idea.
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Um I believe Daisy had an idea as well.
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So I'm not going to make a motion to put
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anything in that right now cuz it's
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going to come down the line
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>> for me. I understand that.
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>> Unless one of us is willing to motion.
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>> If one of you are willing to motion, we
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will vote on it.
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>> But where do you put it?
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>> I guess where are we going at? Well,
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we'll be on second reading Tuesday.
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>> Mhm. Um, amendments can be added up into
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third reading or
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>> you can add you can put amendments in on
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second reading.
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>> What about third reading?
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>> Third reading gets difficult and
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amendments on third reading sometimes
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catches the public off guard
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>> and reason being if I come with an
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amendment on the third reading we
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approve the the amendment that night you
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won't get a chance to see it. We just
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approve it, change it, vote on it and
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that can get a little hairy. Um, so I
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don't want to do that.
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>> Um,
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>> well, we have another committee meeting
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in in between time where we let them
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know where we'll be at kind of
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minimizes.
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>> We can definitely do that.
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>> Okay.
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>> We can definitely do that.
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>> Okay.
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>> Um, so I understand that, but I
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>> pretty much what I'm saying is just
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building up into the third reading. If
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something else needs to be added on the
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third reading, I would like to have
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another committee meeting where we all
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come back out and it be told would it be
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an amendment so it's not caught off
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guard by the public. Yeah,
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>> that's my suggestion.
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>> And that would at that point if it's got
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the third reading, it would require a
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table to to push back no vote and then
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you make your changes and then we come
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back and vote maybe the next meeting.
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>> I just want to get common courtesy of
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different departments like you know Dr.
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Dominic. I just want to make sure
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everybody is aligned with each other. I
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don't want anything to be rushed and
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then we vote on something and we miss
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out on something.
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>> That makes sense.
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>> So that's why I'm asking the question of
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can you add amendments on third?
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>> Yeah. And and like I said and if we do
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that if we do that uh like I said we
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would need to take because we don't want
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to make that amendment
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>> vote then it passes. That would that
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would not be what they're expecting in
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terms of what we're doing now.
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>> Take them to the next meeting.
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>> Yeah. because that that will give people
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chance to to actually view uh what we've
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done.
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>> So I try to avoid amendments on third
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reading because of that. But if it comes
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down to that for this special occasion,
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we are going to we would have to take a
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look
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>> and that's just for the discretion of
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the public to digest information.
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>> Yes.
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>> I think this we have to do that with
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this ordinance and with this issue that
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we're working on here.
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>> Yeah. And I just want to point out too,
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just to be sure everybody understands
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that with us removing the word
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indefinite, this has no time frame
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associated with it whatsoever anymore.
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» Okay.
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Section six.
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>> Section six.
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um just giving a little bit more meat on
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the bone, just some definitive standards
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as far as how we want things written
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out. Um far as how we going to um inform
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the public far as workshops and things
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like that far as requirements and
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safeguards. Um
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>> once again, I don't want to take it out
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and have nothing in there, but
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>> I would be um I would like to change that up a
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little bit.
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>> Okay. Okay. Just to make it a little bit
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more definitive.
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>> Now, do you have your the specific
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change you have in mind right now?
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>> Yes.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Okay. Who wrote this uh describes um
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track change here? Who did the track
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change?
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>> That's not anybody know
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>> this here.
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>> Yeah.
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>> That would have been um me and the
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lawyers.
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>> Okay. And what did you see in that track
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change that you wanted to change?
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>> Um I just have um I just have points. Um
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a written standard development um work
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plan delivered to council within 30 days
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of adoption. Not fewer than three public
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workshops on topics section six already
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listed. Generators, noise, light
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pollution, energy, water, sewer, and
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groundwater. A draft permanent stop.
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>> No, go ahead. Yeah, I'm trying to
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>> I don't think that's in none of this
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what I'm saying.
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>> But I'm trying to I I don't know how
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that works. Uh but go ahead. Go ahead.
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Finish up. I'll let you finish
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up.
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>> Okay. Um, a draft permanent ordinance
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delivered to the council no later than
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60 days before the moratorum ends. A
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public file maintained by the city
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clerk, work plan, staff reports,
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consulting products, and public
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comments. Public notice to schools,
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childcare facilities, and nearby
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residents for future data center
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applications. Plus, annual reporting by
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operating data centers on backup
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generated usage, fuel storage, and water
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withdrawal
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where I set permanent standards instead
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of being broad about what they can and
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what they can't do. I want particular
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things.
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>> Do you have do you have that in writing?
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>> Yes, sir.
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>> Anywhere cuz I I never seen it.
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>> Um, that's the ordinance I sent to you
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earlier. section six,
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>> but uh I was at work all day.
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>> No, I know. I know. I'm not putting you
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on the spot.
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>> No, it's all good. I I understand. I
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understand. You did send it to me, but I
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just wasn't able to get to it.
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>> Um just that we having an open
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discussion we want, what we don't want.
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>> Exactly.
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>> That's [snorts] what I want.
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>> Um have you had a chance to review that,
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Nancy? Yeah, I reviewed it before and
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um
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when I made my original statement about
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this is the place to begin the
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conversation.
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>> Mhm.
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>> That seems like a whole lot of detail
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that would probably go into
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um updates on the zoning code,
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>> right?
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>> Versus putting it in here. And that
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those were my original thoughts on that.
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and still remain my thoughts on that. Um
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I had had, you know, probably about half
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of the summer to, you know, go over
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Joe's um suggestions and that's what I
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kept I I just am thinking that
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we're
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we should be looking globally for this.
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is just a stop. Okay, this is not
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codifying all of the changes that we
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would want to see down the road. Okay,
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so that's where my thoughts are
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regarding
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>> so
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>> those suggestions,
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>> right? With everything he read, he would
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have to make a motion to include all of
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that. We would vote and then it would
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come to council if it were approved for
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the rest of the council to approve. I me
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personally, you know, I I
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>> I'm going wait for you to read.
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>> Yeah, exactly. But but I'm I'm who I
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want to wait to to see read it would be
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the attorneys from the planning and
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everybody. Not ruling it out at all.
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>> Right. Everything I'm speaking on is
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already been uh been already curated by
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Snow,
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>> but I'm just taking sections out that I feel are perfect.
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>> Okay.
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Um,
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and you know me and you know we we talk
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and you talk um emotion on that right
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now I don't know if I can support cuz I
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haven't seen
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>> that's why I said I would I don't want
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to knock you and that's fine and that's
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fine cuz I really believe that they need to see it u to give it
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the best chance possible for you to get
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what you want the probably
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>> calls [clears throat] during the
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meeting.
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>> No, we're not taking phone calls during
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the meeting. Please silence all uh
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electronic devices, please. Thank you.
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Um so we'll we'll get um your
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information right there. Has that been
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sent to
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you Snow looked at it? And we'll
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actually get that over to uh attorney
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hell as well from planning.
[24:25]
>> Okay. And I mean, I'm sure they can get
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together and put it all together and get
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it in there and do what you need to do.
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>> Okay.
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Would it be I don't know. In
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committee meetings, can departments
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speak and chime in or what we No. Okay.
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>> Um,
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» yeah. Lawyer left. Um, and I would think
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he would be one that would be speaking
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for planning.
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um not to put you know Dr. Edwards on to
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talk about it. I don't know if she's
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seen any of this.
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>> I have not seen any of the language now
[25:03]
sir.
[25:03]
>> So and this is why I just
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>> and that's important to me to bring
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everybody to the table where we don't
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have to
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>> take two or three days go talk to them
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email them wait for their reply reply.
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So in my mind, you know, that was a
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simple change to take out indefinite
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done. The things we want to see put in
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here down the line and the things that
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you're addressing, like you said, I
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think we need to get
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>> Okay.
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>> everybody in the room in order to make
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the best decision. Um because like I
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said, I don't want to vote on something
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and then then vote it down and it's
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really good.
[25:39]
>> Yeah. I'm not going to request,
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>> you know, and I don't want to I don't
[25:42]
want to do that to you, man. I want you
[25:43]
to get the best chance to get what you
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want into this.
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>> And I think if we have everybody in the
[25:50]
meeting, man, that that'll be the best
[25:52]
way to do it cuz I don't want to like
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you put something up right now and it
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gets voted down and now here we are
[25:57]
stuck. I don't want to do that to you.
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So, I want you to
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>> I appreciate that.
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>> No, it's all good. It's all good.
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>> I'm sorry I'm talking to you the way we
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talk on the phone, but this way this the
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way we talk.
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So,
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>> is there any other
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>> So, Joe, is it okay with you if this is
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put on hold, too, in addition to the um
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time frame that we put on hold?
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>> Yes, I don't see anything wrong with
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that.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Okay.
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Are there any other issues or any
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changes that that people were looking at
[26:30]
uh to have possibly voted on tonight or
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do we think it's best to get in there
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with planning? um and get all the the
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heads in there together uh to make all
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of these decisions.
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>> I like B. I like option B.
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>> Okay. Do we have any other changes that
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we want to put forth tonight? I have
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none. Like I said, I I feel very
[26:51]
strongly about what I'm saying about the
[26:52]
year after, but I'm not going to throw
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that out there tonight. I'm going to do
[26:57]
just like you're doing. I'm going to
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wait. Um somebody may come up with
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something that I think is better than what I say. you know, um you're not
[27:05]
100% right on everything, you know, so
[27:08]
you really need to to wait, give other
[27:11]
people a chance, I believe, to weigh in
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on something like this. This is big. And
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I I did want to say this and mention
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this. These are two council members who
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this is their first uh term and they've
[27:23]
been hit with nothing but big issues.
[27:26]
Big big issues. I've been on the council
[27:28]
now. this is my third term and maybe
[27:31]
once or twice that I feel like we had
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issues that were this big. Um so I think
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you know we could put a little slow on
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that and guess get all the people in the
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room to make sure you get what it is
[27:44]
that you want to get in this ordinance.
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>> Agreed.
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>> Cuz we all agree uh I keep say a
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moratorum moratorum
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um and then get all these details taken
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care of. That's how I see it.
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>> You guys want to comment on that?
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>> I like that plan. I just want to make
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sure we do it one time, get it right, so
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we're not chopping it up throughout the
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years.
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>> So, yeah.
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>> So, we're going back and forth.
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>> We need an extra week or two. I think
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we've come this far. I don't think a
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week or two is going to make or break us
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right now.
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>> Got Okay. So with no other changes being
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presented by this committee,
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that would be basically the end of this
[28:24]
committee meeting. And I would ask for
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it and we see people who are unhappy,
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but that's okay.
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>> I think it's a waste of taxpayer time.
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And I would just encourage you all and
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there will not be any public comment.
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>> It's not public comment. You said the
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meeting's over.
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>> No, we're not. We didn't make We didn't
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make a motion to adjourn.
[28:42]
>> We did not make a motion to adjurnn. Now
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I like for you to adjourn.
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>> Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
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>> Motion to adjurnn.
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>> Second.
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>> Meeting is adjourned. Thank you.
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>> I would encourage you to put something
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in place before.
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