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[0:15]
Good evening everyone.
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Welcome to
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Michigan City
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councils on issues
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zoning and
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appeals. Date: 11
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September 2018. Time:
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18:10. And, Mr. New York,
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please start with
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personal
[0:29]
voting.
[0:33]
Mr. Hook
[0:34]
present.
[0:38]
Mr. Jackson
[0:40]
present. Miss Janice
[0:42]
present.
[0:43]
Mr. Noel
[0:44]
present.
[0:46]
Mr. Zimmer is absent.
[0:48]
Oops. And Mr. Gill
[0:54]
missing. We have
[0:58]
quorum.
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Thank you. Thank you
[1:01]
to the members of the council. If, uh,
[1:03]
no one denies,
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we will do without
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reading the rules and
[1:07]
meeting procedures and
[1:08]
let's go straight to
[1:09]
meeting. And if everyone
[1:14]
the council members had
[1:15]
possibility
[1:16]
to get acquainted with
[1:17]
protocol
[1:17]
last meeting
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from August 14, I would
[1:20]
considered the proposal
[1:21]
.
[1:22]
So, a suggestion.
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Second. I have
[1:24]
proposal from Mr.
[1:25]
Norbella, second from
[1:27]
Mr. Hook.
[1:32]
Yes.
[1:33]
Mr. Jackson,
[1:34]
Yes.
[1:35]
Miss Janice,
[1:36]
Yes.
[1:38]
Mr. Mo,
[1:39]
Yes.
[1:40]
The proposal was approved.
[1:43]
Mr. York, if we have
[1:44]
there is nothing more,
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let's go right away
[1:46]
let's move on to ours
[1:48]
petitions. Our first
[1:53]
petition–B-106-18. Bradley
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Adamsky, lawyer
[1:59]
owners
[2:00]
Larry's real estate and
[2:01]
Joyce Dalton, begging
[2:02]
about deviation from
[2:04]
building standards,
[2:05]
to allow
[2:06]
use
[2:06]
vacant lot on the East
[2:08]
-Barker Avenue,
[2:09]
located in
[2:09]
residential area, for
[2:11]
off-street
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parking. It
[2:13]
continues with
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August. Good morning
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p.m. Please,
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provide your name and
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address for records. AND
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Good evening. Me
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My name is Brad Adamski. I
[2:25]
lawyer at the company
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Drayton Bishi Sugo and Elliot, 820
[2:28]
Jefferson Avenue, Leaport, Indiana.
[2:32]
And can you
[2:32]
tell us about
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your petition, please
[2:34]
affection?
[2:34]
Of course. Good morning
[2:36]
evening, members
[2:36]
rule. Again
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thank you for your
[2:38]
patience for this
[2:39]
petitions. We were here.
[2:40]
last month and
[2:41]
continuing today
[2:42]
with the understanding that
[2:43]
we are going
[2:44]
to meet with
[2:44]
city representatives
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and try
[2:46]
to get along with everyone,
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which I believe we have.
[2:48]
Um, this is a two-parter.
[2:50]
petition that we
[2:51]
actually please
[2:52]
to turn into
[2:53]
one-part petition
[2:54]
. Um, we have two.
[2:56]
vacant lots on
[2:57]
Barker Avenue. The first of
[2:58]
them belongs to me
[3:00]
to Larry's clients and
[3:01]
Joyce Stalton, who
[3:02]
present here in the hall,
[3:04]
and the second one, which is
[3:04]
the following petition,
[3:06]
owned by Sweetwater Indiana LLC
[3:07]
, owned by Zak
[3:08]
Rinsky also
[3:09]
present here. Um, we
[3:11]
Please advise.
[3:12]
deviation from
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rules of use,
[3:14]
to allow
[3:15]
use these
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two areas as
[3:17]
off-street parking
[3:18]
in a residential area.
[3:19]
First we also
[3:20]
submitted a request for
[3:21]
deviation from
[3:22]
development standards,
[3:23]
so that we can
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use
[3:24]
macadam
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instead of asphalt.
[3:26]
Working with the city, we believe that
[3:28]
developed a project,
[3:29]
which can
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to meet the city's
[3:30]
standards and be
[3:31]
approved by the city. It
[3:32]
there will be asphalt. So,
[3:34]
actually, because we
[3:34]
here tonight
[3:35]
, discussing the idea
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cooperation with the city,
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we withdraw
[3:38]
petition regarding
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deviation from
[3:39]
development standards
[3:40]
and we just want
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to advance from
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deviation from
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rules of use.
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So, you are going
[3:44]
to make changes to your
[3:45]
petitions in the hall to
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include it in
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budget.
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Yes. So, unlike
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from the petition regarding
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changes in use
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and variations and changes
[3:55]
development standards,
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at the moment we just want
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to advance from
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petition for change
[4:00]
using. Goal
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parking-
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serve
[4:14]
renovated pub
[4:15]
Barker, who is located
[4:17]
across the road on
[4:18]
Barker Avenue.
[4:20]
Because Barker-
[4:20]
avenue–narrow street,
[4:22]
since the repair
[4:23]
restaurant-bar
[4:24]
there were problems with
[4:25]
parking, and traffic
[4:26]
transport
[4:30]
improved or started
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accrue. It
[4:32]
led to
[4:33]
potential problems
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security not only because
[4:35]
traffic, but also
[4:36]
through fire engines,
[4:37]
moving upwards and
[4:38]
down the road. Ago
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we are trying
[4:40]
reduce this flow,
[4:41]
creating
[4:42]
off-street parking
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. I have photos,
[4:44]
which I can
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to present to the council.
[4:46]
They are taken from the web
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the district website, on which
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these two are shown
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empty areas in
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different times, starting
[4:51]
since 2008. On each of
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these photos you will see cars,
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parked on
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herbal
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directly on the platforms
[4:56]
now. And this is what
[4:57]
is happening. And we don't
[4:58]
we can, that is, as long as it
[4:59]
works now, it's not
[5:00]
may continue.
[5:01]
Hmm, obviously these
[5:02]
Lawns are not for this.
[5:03]
were appointed. They kill the grass. They
[5:05]
compact the soil. It
[5:07]
not ideal for
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parking outside
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street. So we have
[5:10]
a plan that I believe
[5:11]
was distributed
[5:12]
among the council. If not,
[5:13]
then I have other ones of his
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copies. And we have Ryan.
[5:17]
Laughlin of Hass and Associates,
[5:18]
who developed this
[5:19]
plan, if the council has one
[5:20]
some specific ones
[5:22]
question about what
[5:23]
we want to make with
[5:24]
improved parking
[5:26]
. So, first of all, with the permission of the council, I will give away these photos.
[5:32]
here.
[5:46]
Well, Larry and Joyce
[5:47]
complained, but they
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did not complain.
[5:51]
Oh, okay. Now Larry
[6:01]
and Joyce is here,
[6:02]
about three rows
[6:03]
behind, but one of
[6:04]
their concerns
[6:05]
is that
[6:06]
they own
[6:07]
business at
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602 East Barker Avenue.
[6:10]
Um, and you'll see on
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photographs,
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it is obvious that part
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parking spaces
[6:14]
was there for them
[6:15]
business, but with
[6:16]
improved
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asphalted
[6:18]
parking is also
[6:19]
will help their
[6:20]
business. So, for the sake of
[6:30]
the public, which
[6:32]
is present here, and, in
[6:33]
the first time I used to
[6:34]
asked whether
[6:35]
most of these people
[6:36]
support the later
[6:37]
petition, and all of them
[6:38]
raised their hands, I'm fighting
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institution.
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I've been to such places before.
[6:44]
large halls, but
[6:45]
absolutely...Yes. But,
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Um, I know what's here.
[6:49]
people who supported
[6:51]
your petition. Simply
[6:53]
tell us orally,
[6:54]
what should they expect or
[6:56]
What do you expect?
[6:58]
so that we can, um,
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and I keep everyone in
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course.
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And I don't know, me too
[7:02]
shared with some
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neighbors who are here
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present, drawing,
[7:05]
which you have before
[7:06]
yourself.
[7:07]
Um, but mostly,
[7:08]
what we want
[7:09]
to do, this
[7:11]
to pave, I think two are empty.
[7:15]
plots on this
[7:16]
stage. There will be a new one
[7:17]
a curb that will come out on
[7:19]
Barker Avenue. Um, this is
[7:21]
at the request of the city.
[7:24]
There will be a fence there, which
[7:26]
will pass along,
[7:27]
hmm, Dalton's sides,
[7:28]
then along
[7:29]
alley, and then
[7:30]
down along the other
[7:31]
side of the plot. So
[7:33]
the plot actually
[7:35]
will be fenced.
[7:36]
One of the concerns
[7:37]
some neighbors
[7:38]
last time it was that people either through
[7:40]
too intense
[7:41]
traffic movement. Now
[7:42]
the only way there is
[7:43]
across the alley, and this one
[7:44]
the lane is not
[7:45]
intended for
[7:45]
this type of movement.
[7:46]
In addition, people
[7:47]
parked behind
[7:48]
houses, walked around
[7:49]
their yards,
[7:50]
cut through the parking lot.
[7:51]
This will soften
[7:52]
situation. One more thing
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the concern is
[7:54]
in that although these
[7:55]
plots
[7:55]
were used
[7:56]
for parking
[7:57]
for many
[7:58]
years, their number
[7:59]
was not like that. So, with
[8:00]
so many
[8:01]
cars, land
[8:02]
compacted, and now
[8:04]
there are problems with the drain
[8:05]
and water. And even
[8:06]
recently, of course,
[8:07]
due to heavy rains on
[8:08]
weekend, arose
[8:09]
significant problems with
[8:11]
water on some
[8:11]
areas. The idea of this
[8:13]
improved zone
[8:14]
provides in each
[8:15]
corner of greenery
[8:16]
plantations that
[8:17]
will be used
[8:18]
for the drain, but also
[8:19]
necessary
[8:20]
to meet the city's
[8:21]
building standards
[8:22]
plots. It is obvious that
[8:24]
Skyler's department
[8:25]
will conduct an inspection,
[8:26]
to make sure of
[8:27]
proper planning
[8:28]
, proper drainage.
[8:29]
So, I hope this
[8:30]
will ease the problem,
[8:32]
which we just saw
[8:33]
on weekends. And I think
[8:36]
, considering that
[8:37]
current project, there
[8:39]
will be added in total 21
[8:40]
parking space.
[8:42]
So this is, you know, on the 21st
[8:43]
vehicle
[8:44]
less parking
[8:46]
along Barker Avenue
[8:47]
and loads the street
[8:48]
or parked in front of
[8:50]
houses in
[8:50]
residential area. Or
[8:56]
Is there anything else, sir? Besides
[8:58]
opportunities
[8:58]
to answer any
[8:59]
what objections and more
[9:00]
to remind you once,
[9:01]
that we have an engineer here
[9:02]
, in case you have
[9:03]
advice will arise
[9:04]
specific questions
[9:05]
regarding the project.
[9:06]
Mr. York, can you have something to add from
[9:07]
about this, because I know you have been working.
[9:09]
side by side with this.
[9:10]
Yes, we are working on it.
[9:11]
this has been going on for some time. Ahem
[9:12]
, it seems that this is already
[9:13]
third or fourth,
[9:14]
maybe the fifth
[9:15]
the picture that we
[9:16]
saw. Hmm, so, hmm,
[9:17]
we went from two
[9:19]
curb cuts to
[9:20]
one that, in my opinion, good. Um, I think that some of
[9:25]
main concerns
[9:26]
that I heard, for example,
[9:27]
talking to
[9:28]
some monsters,
[9:29]
who visited me,
[9:30]
um, literally
[9:31]
came to my house
[9:32]
office, were connected
[9:33]
with people who
[9:33]
passed by, and
[9:34]
they were very
[9:35]
concerned about children on
[9:36]
alley. Um, so
[9:37]
At first we thought,
[9:38]
what makes sense to remove
[9:39]
things from this alley
[9:41]
, but looking back when we
[9:42]
went there,
[9:43]
saw this
[9:44]
alley, visited
[9:45]
neighbors and talked
[9:46]
with them when they
[9:47]
came in, I think that
[9:48]
much smarter
[9:49]
just block
[9:50]
its. Do not allow
[9:51]
access. Um, and
[9:52]
potentially if people
[9:53]
will know that more
[9:54]
can't go there
[9:55]
pass, they do not
[9:56]
will park at
[9:57]
streets and not
[9:57]
will walk through the yards
[9:58]
people. I think that
[9:59]
they probably
[10:00]
will walk on the sidewalk. We make them go
[10:02]
the sidewalk, in fact,
[10:04]
where they should be. Hmm, that slice
[10:08]
the curb that you see. So, essentially,
[10:11]
What will happen is this,
[10:12]
that since this
[10:13]
double parking, we
[10:15]
merged two into one,
[10:16]
and we will place it
[10:17]
about 7.5
[10:18]
meters behind, so that
[10:20]
to prohibit
[10:20]
parking, to
[10:21]
the inspection triangle was
[10:23]
protected. So
[10:25]
practically before this
[10:26]
You don't have parking.
[10:28]
there will be room for
[10:28]
parking. This will be
[10:31]
a clear overview of this
[10:32]
parking. So people don't
[10:34]
will run out under
[10:35]
machinery. Now the cars
[10:37]
parked along
[10:38]
her. If they
[10:41]
parked here,
[10:42]
they go between
[10:43]
machines that
[10:43]
actually there is more dangerous
[10:45]
situation, because, hmm
[10:47]
, people don't travel much
[10:48]
quickly, but with
[10:49]
at a decent speed
[10:50]
, and it's quite cramped there.
[10:52]
So you don't see them,
[10:54]
until they are gone
[10:55]
will leave. So, I think,
[10:57]
this will solve a lot
[10:58]
problems. And, as I already
[10:59]
said, we discussed
[11:01]
several projects,
[11:02]
drawings, sketches
[11:03]
etc. So, from the point of
[11:06]
in terms of planning, we
[11:07]
relatively satisfied
[11:09]
hereby. Hmm, I think that's it.
[11:11]
will reduce congestion and
[11:12]
some problems with
[11:13]
parking. And I think that, um, we have
[11:17]
there are still some
[11:18]
opportunities for
[11:19]
green areas and,
[11:20]
you know, aesthetic
[11:21]
things. But to me
[11:23]
I like the fence.
[11:25]
and the buffer between
[11:25]
houses and protection,
[11:27]
which she offers
[11:28]
to these people. Lanterns in
[11:29]
their front
[11:30]
window, lights in
[11:32]
window, etc. By the way
[11:33]
about lighting, um, or
[11:35]
there will be lights on this
[11:36]
parking lot?
[11:39]
I don't think there is now.
[11:40]
some design, and I don't
[11:41]
I think there are some
[11:42]
fires, but apparently
[11:43]
it will be
[11:44]
designed by
[11:45]
standards.
[11:45]
We are engaged in
[11:46]
lighting. Um, we,
[11:48]
probably we will,
[11:49]
because it is residential
[11:50]
area. I mean,
[11:51]
that I don't want this
[11:53]
it was like that, I don't want to disturb the neighbors
[11:55]
here. So, it probably has
[11:57]
to be somewhat weak
[11:58]
lighting. Um, that is,
[11:59]
there are standards that
[12:00]
set out in our
[12:01]
zoning code
[12:02]
, for example, what is this
[12:03]
foot candelabra,
[12:04]
lumens, etc. Um, and
[12:05]
the height of these elements
[12:06]
and their shielding,
[12:07]
so that they were
[12:08]
shielded so as not to
[12:09]
overflow. Hmm, we have
[12:11]
These standards already exist.
[12:13]
I think there is
[12:14]
balance between security,
[12:15]
obviously parking lots
[12:16]
and so that it doesn't
[12:17]
to insult the neighbors
[12:18]
houses.
[12:18]
Absolutely.
[12:19]
Very good.
[12:22]
Board members, there are more
[12:24]
any questions?
[12:26]
Question? Thank you, sir.
[12:30]
Friends, on this day
[12:31]
the moment we are going
[12:32]
open this for
[12:33]
public
[12:33]
discussion.
[12:34]
Public
[12:35]
discussion of this
[12:36]
petitions. Is there anyone
[12:37]
who wants to come forward
[12:38]
and express publicly
[12:39]
discussion?
[12:41]
Come to
[12:42]
microphone.
[12:50]
I need yours.
[12:51]
name and address for
[12:52]
recording, please.
[12:53]
Good. I'm Matthew Payne. I live at Beld-
[12:56]
Street, 607. It's right behind
[12:58]
the area where it stands
[12:59]
my house. I saw
[13:00]
a copy of this, and I think
[13:01]
that's pretty good
[13:02]
picture. It seems that
[13:03]
It will be beautiful there. Now
[13:05]
me the most
[13:06]
worries about entering and leaving
[13:07]
my driveway
[13:08]
. My lane is
[13:09]
shared lane with
[13:10]
neighbors or shared
[13:11]
driveway from
[13:12]
neighbors, and she is like that
[13:13]
cramped. Therefore, when
[13:14]
I am leaving in the back.
[13:15]
I sometimes
[13:16]
I'm stopping by.
[13:17]
area approximately
[13:18]
per foot, maybe two, and
[13:19]
Yes. So, you are not
[13:20]
Do you want to crash into
[13:21]
fence.
[13:22]
Good.
[13:23]
Yes. Where there is a fence,
[13:24]
he will be right on
[13:25]
alley. It seems...So,
[13:26]
hmm, I'm worried about that
[13:27]
I will have to go in reverse
[13:29]
or it will be difficult for me
[13:30]
to enter and leave,
[13:31]
or, you know, my garage
[13:32]
is directly
[13:33]
there, in the alley.
[13:34]
Someone is coming in, they
[13:35]
will not be able to enter and
[13:35]
to go out, crash into
[13:36]
my car, maybe
[13:37]
bump into someone
[13:38]
another.
[13:38]
So, you don't necessarily
[13:39]
against that
[13:40]
offered
[13:40]
tonight,
[13:41]
if we can
[13:42]
do it where you are
[13:43]
You can come by.
[13:43]
Looks like
[13:44]
good. Looks better
[13:45]
than now, because you know what a flood is,
[13:48]
and I think it will be
[13:48]
a big improvement,
[13:49]
if drainage
[13:50]
will work properly
[13:51]
in a way.
[13:51]
Good. And, uh, a fence
[13:52]
will work. I have on
[13:54]
mind you, I want
[13:54]
put a fence there.
[13:55]
To protect yourself,
[13:56]
you know, so
[13:56]
to provide for oneself
[13:57]
some protection. But
[13:58]
if we can, I
[13:59]
sure that
[14:00]
engineer...I
[14:00]
I hope he/she
[14:02]
is right in doing
[14:03]
some notes. Um,
[14:05]
I guarantee you that
[14:07]
now we probably
[14:08]
can we move this
[14:09]
fence back to
[14:10]
what you need
[14:11]
radius. To us
[14:12]
will have to do this
[14:12]
to consider, but if
[14:13]
you don't mind
[14:13]
using...
[14:14]
guess if you
[14:15]
not against
[14:15]
use...in
[14:16]
basically what to do,
[14:17]
if you install it
[14:18]
the way it is. I am not
[14:19]
against use.
[14:20]
It looks like it will be good.
[14:22]
You will know what I am for.
[14:23]
...I'm all for business and that's it
[14:24]
like this. But as
[14:25]
only, you know,
[14:26]
drainage and all that
[14:27]
it will be fine, and we don't have
[14:29]
there will be floods, everything
[14:30]
It will be fine.
[14:31]
Um, maybe Ryan could
[14:32]
I would like to tell you a little bit.
[14:34]
about drainage, plan
[14:35]
drainage. I don't know.
[14:37]
Just give it to us
[14:38]
approximately how
[14:39]
usually works
[14:39]
drainage in parking lots
[14:41]
for these people. That
[14:43]
they had a certain
[14:44]
confidence. I am not
[14:45]
I don't know if this is normal.
[14:46]
Give us a minute,
[14:48]
and we'll see if
[14:49]
there will be more people.
[14:50]
Thus, you do not
[14:50]
will have to do
[14:51]
two or three trips.
[14:52]
What is your address? 67.
[14:56]
And we will check it out.
[14:57]
for the radius
[14:58]
turning.
[14:59]
Make sure that the
[14:59]
you have enough space,
[15:00]
to get out of there
[15:01]
in reverse.
[15:01]
Fortunately, I am in control.
[15:02]
a large truck.
[15:03]
I don't drive a little.
[15:03]
tiny.
[15:04]
This is normal. All
[15:05]
OK. Good.
[15:06]
Thank you, Mr. Pei.
[15:08]
Thank you.
[15:08]
Public discussion
[15:10]
. Does anyone else want
[15:11]
make public
[15:12]
discussion of this
[15:13]
petitions? Public
[15:14]
discussion.
[15:16]
Last call for
[15:17]
public
[15:18]
discussion.
[15:20]
is now closed. Your
[15:23]
name and address for
[15:25]
records, please. THERE ARE
[15:27]
-uh, Ryan Laughlin, uh,
[15:28]
622 Franklin Street.
[15:29]
Um, although this
[15:30]
preliminary plan, we
[15:32]
didn't spend, we didn't
[15:33]
investigated and not
[15:34]
made a detailed, uh,
[15:36]
evaluations or
[15:36]
designing or
[15:38]
something for drainage.
[15:39]
But I can say that
[15:40]
, uh, at least
[15:41]
it seems preliminary,
[15:43]
that this territory
[15:44]
mostly sandy, and
[15:45]
should be relatively
[15:46]
easy to soak
[15:47]
part of this runoff,
[15:49]
uh, from the parking lot,
[15:50]
you know, new
[15:50]
impenetrable zone, in
[15:52]
part of this soil.
[15:54]
Uh, but without
[15:54]
additional
[15:55]
I couldn't find the information.
[15:56]
would say this
[15:57]
definitely. Hmm, but
[15:59]
you know, usually with
[16:00]
such an area of water
[16:01]
merges, um, into
[16:02]
some local
[16:03]
inlets on
[16:04]
streets, um, leaf
[16:06]
drainage, um, and for
[16:07]
necessary, um,
[16:08]
may be needed
[16:09]
have some intakes
[16:10]
holes in some
[16:11]
sewer
[16:12]
pipes, but it will be
[16:14]
necessary, we also
[16:15]
could save
[16:16]
some probably in these
[16:17]
green areas,
[16:18]
for example, reduce
[16:20]
or something like that,
[16:21]
to supplement. I think that beforehand
[16:23]
it is definitely possible. Yes.
[16:26]
And we'll look at this,
[16:27]
when will we get it, when
[16:28]
you will do
[16:29]
calculations and everything
[16:30]
other. So
[16:31]
Thank you, sir.
[16:32]
Ahem.
[16:38]
Okay, Mr. York.
[16:40]
Can we go?
[16:41]
to, um, reports? This is a report
[16:48]
on petition B-106-18. Ahem,
[16:55]
and this is, um, Larry and
[16:56]
Joyce Dalton is
[16:57]
petitioners, whom
[16:58]
represents Mr.
[17:00]
Adamski. Ahem,
[17:00]
Department of Water
[17:02]
resources, Randy
[17:03]
Russell, Chief, no
[17:04]
has objections. Ahem,
[17:05]
Arbor-Hi, um, he's not
[17:06]
has objections to this
[17:08]
time. Um, fire department
[17:10]
service, there are none
[17:11]
problems with the petition.
[17:13]
Uh, department
[17:14]
planning, in the petition
[17:15]
the applicant wishes
[17:16]
to obtain permission for
[17:17]
use, which
[17:18]
will allow
[17:18]
use
[17:19]
free area under
[17:20]
residential area for
[17:21]
parking, as well as
[17:22]
building standard,
[17:23]
which will not allow
[17:24]
to pave the area, and
[17:25]
use
[17:26]
gravel, which, like you,
[17:27]
maybe you remember,
[17:28]
they corrected it
[17:29]
floor. So we
[17:30]
not tonight
[17:31]
we are considering this
[17:32]
question. Gravel will be
[17:33]
paved. Requirements
[17:35]
resolutions on
[17:36]
zoning.
[17:37]
Real estate is zoned
[17:38]
as a one-room apartment
[17:39]
residential development R1D.
[17:40]
Resolution table
[17:41]
about zoning 04.02 02,
[17:43]
allowed species
[17:44]
use for R1D,
[17:45]
do not allow
[17:46]
requested
[17:46]
using.
[17:47]
The applicant proposes
[17:48]
use
[17:49]
real estate for
[17:50]
new parking lot
[17:51]
playground. Uh, in
[17:51]
I am not here.
[17:52]
additional
[17:53]
comments on this.
[17:55]
Therefore, the proposed
[17:56]
conclusions. Standards
[17:58]
regarding deviation from
[17:59]
using
[18:00]
are set out below
[18:01]
italics and
[18:02]
are in
[18:03]
section 28.11
[18:03]
subdivision A
[18:04]
resolutions on
[18:05]
zoning. They also
[18:07]
contain
[18:07]
proposed
[18:08]
department's conclusions. On-
[18:09]
first, approval is not
[18:11]
will cause harm
[18:11]
public
[18:12]
health, safety,
[18:13]
morality and general
[18:14]
community well-being.
[18:16]
Suggested
[18:16]
planning minimizes
[18:18]
environmental impact
[18:19]
use, as well as
[18:20]
will not cause harm
[18:21]
public health
[18:22]
through the park, because
[18:23]
parking
[18:24]
will answer all
[18:25]
standards and norms.
[18:27]
Second,
[18:28]
use and
[18:29]
the value of the territory,
[18:30]
adjacent to
[18:31]
property included
[18:32]
to the deviation, not
[18:33]
undergo significant
[18:34]
negative impact
[18:35]
because the new
[18:36]
parking lot
[18:37]
the playground will be
[18:38]
built as
[18:39]
real parking lot, and
[18:40]
not left as
[18:41]
an empty lawn that
[18:42]
used,
[18:43]
for example, like
[18:44]
illegal parking
[18:45]
. This will also allow
[18:47]
to make things easier
[18:48]
street parking
[18:49]
and create much
[18:50]
safer conditions
[18:51]
along Barker-Barker
[18:52]
in this place.
[18:53]
Availability of proper
[18:54]
fenced in
[18:55]
and landscaped
[18:56]
parking lot
[18:56]
the site will not be affected
[18:57]
negatively on
[18:58]
cost
[18:59]
surrounding
[18:59]
property. Thirdly,
[19:02]
necessity
[19:02]
deviation from
[19:03]
use occurs
[19:04]
because of certain
[19:05]
features
[19:06]
relevant
[19:06]
property.
[19:07]
The peculiarity is
[19:08]
in that the property
[19:09]
is associated with very
[19:10]
successful business,
[19:11]
located across
[19:13]
road. The need for
[19:14]
parking has increased
[19:15]
thanks to success
[19:16]
business that
[19:16]
is there
[19:17]
for many
[19:18]
years. Success created
[19:20]
dangerous situation
[19:21]
with parking along
[19:22]
Barker-A and growing
[19:23]
concern about
[19:25]
security. This will make it easier
[19:26]
some problems with
[19:27]
parking along
[19:28]
Barker-A and surrounding areas
[19:29]
residential areas.
[19:30]
Number four, strict
[19:32]
application of conditions
[19:33]
resolutions on
[19:34]
zoning will lead
[19:35]
to unnecessary
[19:36]
difficulties, if any
[19:37]
apply to
[19:38]
property for which
[19:39]
requested
[19:40]
deviation.
[19:41]
Approval is not
[19:42]
will allow the owner
[19:43]
use
[19:44]
property as
[19:45]
parking and
[19:46]
will offer
[19:46]
relief for Barker A
[19:47]
and the district by
[19:48]
consolidation
[19:49]
parking.
[19:54]
Use also
[19:55]
will allow business,
[19:56]
who serves
[19:57]
parking, stay
[19:58]
functional and
[19:59]
minimize the impact
[20:00]
to the district. Number five,
[20:06]
approval substantially
[20:07]
does not interfere in
[20:08]
comprehensive plan
[20:09]
buildings, because
[20:10]
the plan provides for
[20:11]
promotion
[20:11]
commercial
[20:12]
development and
[20:13]
support for existing
[20:14]
districts and the existing
[20:15]
population.
[20:16]
Recommendation.
[20:17]
Department
[20:18]
will recommend
[20:19]
approval
[20:20]
deviation from
[20:21]
use, register
[20:22]
B. Registry number B-106-18.
[20:24]
Sorry, I had this.
[20:25]
to fix. 17 is 18 for
[20:27]
such conditions.
[20:29]
Final project,
[20:29]
planning,
[20:30]
landscape design
[20:31]
and lighting
[20:32]
are subject to
[20:32]
standards of the resolution
[20:33]
about zoning and
[20:34]
final
[20:35]
approval
[20:35]
staff with
[20:36]
planning for
[20:36]
beginning of construction.
[20:38]
And number two, the project
[20:38]
parking has
[20:39]
stay
[20:40]
asphalted and not
[20:41]
use
[20:42]
gravel. Thank you, sir.
[20:45]
York. Board members
[20:47]
, is there any further
[20:48]
discussion of the petition?
[20:50]
Any further
[20:51]
discussion or
[20:52]
offer? Is there
[20:53]
proposal regarding this
[20:54]
petitions? I would like to make a proposal
[21:01]
about us
[21:02]
adopted conclusions
[21:03]
about the facts, uh,
[21:04]
various reports, about
[21:06]
what this petition has
[21:07]
to be approved together with
[21:11]
recommendations.
[21:14]
Mr. Norville,
[21:15]
when will you do it, or
[21:16]
Can you please specify that?
[21:17]
this is an amended petition,
[21:18]
because she
[21:19]
actually changed from
[21:20]
amendments,
[21:20]
made from gravel.
[21:21]
Yes.
[21:22]
Good.
[21:23]
So, I have
[21:24]
proposal from Mr.
[21:25]
Norala. Second.
[21:26]
I will support.
[21:27]
The second one is from Mr. Hook.
[21:30]
Mr. York. Mr. Hook.
[21:31]
Yes. Sir
[21:33]
Jackson.
[21:34]
Yes. Miss Janice. Yes.
[21:36]
Mr. Noville.
[21:37]
Yes.
[21:38]
The proposal was approved.
[21:44]
Mr. York. Petition B
[21:46]
107-18, which was the second
[21:47]
half of this, is there
[21:49]
she is now a petition
[21:50]
about debt, is it
[21:51]
will also be
[21:52]
to be considered in that
[21:54]
the part that
[21:55]
we must also
[21:56]
hear, and we
[21:57]
need
[21:57]
vote for her
[21:58]
separately, because it
[22:00]
two separate parcels. THERE ARE-
[22:01]
uh, but would you like to,
[22:02]
uh, Mr. Gill said
[22:03]
I want to ask you whether
[22:04]
would you like to do
[22:06]
instead of
[22:07]
to do the same
[22:07]
presentation, or
[22:08]
Would you like to enter this?
[22:10]
presentation to
[22:10]
protocol as yours
[22:11]
presentation?
[22:12]
Yes, including
[22:13]
amended petition or
[22:14]
amendment to the petition
[22:15]
about what we
[22:16]
withdraw the request for
[22:17]
deviation from
[22:18]
development standards.
[22:19]
Absolutely.
[22:20]
Very good.
[22:21]
Therefore,
[22:22]
board members, there are
[22:23]
any questions?
[22:24]
So, I think we should
[22:25]
still needed
[22:26]
to hold public
[22:27]
hearing, etc., etc.
[22:28]
Thank you. Public
[22:31]
discussion.
[22:34]
. As before,
[22:35]
only better.
[22:36]
Public discussion
[22:37]
. Last call for
[22:39]
public
[22:40]
discussion.
[22:42]
closed. Mr. York,
[22:45]
I'm actually going to read the same ones, uh,
[22:48]
facts, conclusions and
[22:49]
include them in
[22:51]
main points.
[22:52]
Uh, yes, I can. Thank you
[22:55]
for the question. Uh, this is
[22:57]
Applicant report B-
[22:59]
10718, uh, Sweetwater LLC. Uh,
[23:02]
this is about the deviation
[23:03]
from standards
[23:04]
using. Uh, this is
[23:06]
essentially the same facts,
[23:07]
that were included in
[23:08]
protocol of the past
[23:10]
once. Absolutely so
[23:12]
themselves. Uh, and I would just
[23:13]
asked that
[23:14]
recommendation...I
[23:15]
just read
[23:16]
recommendation. AND
[23:17]
the recommendation is
[23:19]
in order for us to
[23:20]
approved, um,
[23:21]
requested change in
[23:23]
used for 107-18,
[23:25]
um, B-107-18 under these conditions
[23:28]
. Final design
[23:29]
plots, planning,
[23:30]
landscape design
[23:31]
and lighting
[23:32]
must comply
[23:32]
zoning standards
[23:33]
and be final
[23:34]
approved
[23:35]
staff with
[23:35]
planning for
[23:36]
beginning of construction.
[23:37]
And secondly, design
[23:38]
parking has
[23:39]
remain
[23:39]
asphalted and not
[23:40]
use
[23:41]
gravel. And, um, if you
[23:43]
decide to contribute
[23:44]
petition for
[23:45]
approval, please
[23:46]
, um, make sure,
[23:47]
that you added the modified one,
[23:49]
um petition to your
[23:50]
suggestions.
[23:51]
Okay, members.
[23:52]
board, is there any
[23:53]
discussion of this
[23:54]
petitions? Is there any
[23:56]
discussion whether there is
[23:57]
petition regarding this
[23:58]
petitions? I would like to file a petition
[24:05]
on approval B 107-18
[24:06]
together with
[24:07]
recommendations U and
[24:08]
amendments. I support this.
[24:13]
I have a request.
[24:14]
from Mr. Norell,
[24:15]
the second from Miss Janice,
[24:18]
Mr. York,
[24:20]
Mr. Hook,
[24:20]
Yes.
[24:22]
Mr. Jackson,
[24:23]
Yes.
[24:24]
Miss Janice,
[24:25]
Yes.
[24:26]
Mr. Novo,
[24:27]
Yes.
[24:27]
The request is approved.
[24:33]
Thank you,
[24:37]
Mr. York. Everything is fine.
[25:08]
Mr. York, our
[25:09]
the next petition that
[25:10]
I would like to submit, this is B
[25:12]
112-18.
[25:14]
Good. Uh, this is a petition
[25:17]
B-12-18. Um, Michael Connor
[25:19]
asks to provide
[25:20]
special right to
[25:21]
using
[25:22]
Big B Coffee coffee shops,
[25:23]
located behind
[25:24]
address Franklin-
[25:25]
Street, 3401.
[25:26]
Is there anyone here who
[25:27]
can come up with this
[25:28]
petition?
[25:29]
He will be represented by
[25:30]
er, Mr. Connor himself.
[25:31]
Good,
[25:39]
Sir, please
[25:40]
enter your name and
[25:42]
address for recording.
[25:43]
Michael Connor, Tryon-
[25:45]
Road, 11:30, Michigan-
[25:47]
City, Indiana. I, uh,
[25:49]
here tonight,
[25:51]
to discuss
[25:52]
real estate in
[25:53]
Michigan City on
[25:54]
Franklin Street,
[25:56]
known as Franklin-
[25:57]
Street, 3401. This is an old, uh-
[25:59]
e, commercial building
[26:01]
. Uh, she is
[26:03]
used in
[26:05]
for several different purposes
[26:06]
for probably 40
[26:07]
or 50 years. The main
[26:11]
was used
[26:13]
or a car repair shop, THERE ARE-
[26:18]
Well, the building was
[26:19]
purchased for the purpose of
[26:20]
is called
[26:21]
adaptive repeat
[26:22]
using. Therefore,
[26:24]
What is adaptive?
[26:25]
repeated
[26:25]
using? Ahem,
[26:28]
adaptive evolution
[26:29]
repeated
[26:30]
use is
[26:31]
in order to find
[26:32]
purpose for
[26:33]
buildings,
[26:34]
the use of which
[26:35]
now obsolete.
[26:37]
Right? It was
[26:38]
thriving business
[26:39]
for a while. Someone
[26:40]
many years
[26:41]
was engaged in repairs
[26:42]
cars there. Um,
[26:44]
bought a building and, uh,
[26:45]
appointed her for
[26:46]
retail trade,
[26:47]
which could be
[26:48]
transfer to this
[26:49]
plot, instead of
[26:50]
car repair shops,
[26:51]
auto repair shops or
[26:52]
auto repair shop, which
[26:53]
historically was
[26:54]
quite unattractive
[26:55]
place in this area
[26:57]
Franklin Street. So
[27:01]
, uh, we went to the market,
[27:02]
placed
[27:03]
announcement and, uh,
[27:04]
received a lot
[27:05]
various requests, none
[27:06]
of which was not interesting
[27:07]
for owners, right?
[27:09]
Yes? To us
[27:10]
called
[27:11]
very wealthy
[27:12]
evacuation companies
[27:13]
from Gary, Indiana,
[27:14]
who wanted
[27:14]
use this
[27:16]
place, uh, like a place for
[27:17]
conducting AAA, and we have
[27:18]
there would be cars there
[27:19]
, and we would have there
[27:20]
tow trucks, and they
[27:21]
were ready
[27:22]
pay enough
[27:23]
a decent amount
[27:24]
money for this
[27:24]
rooms. Um, us too
[27:26]
refused them, and we
[27:27]
waited, and we waited, uh,
[27:29]
and we kissed a lot
[27:30]
frogs, until they are found
[27:31]
right for him
[27:32]
using,
[27:33]
the right tenant
[27:34]
. So we held on
[27:36]
it. Um, made some
[27:38]
improvement. If
[27:40]
let me give it away
[27:41]
you a photo
[27:42]
buildings. So now
[28:09]
you should be
[28:09]
of course. What is this?
[28:11]
building, right? Therefore,
[28:15]
about 9 or 10
[28:16]
months ago
[28:17]
franchise
[28:18]
a company from Michigan,
[28:19]
uh, started
[28:20]
negotiations with us
[28:21]
through your broker with
[28:22]
Lansing, State
[28:23]
Michigan, regarding
[28:24]
franchising,
[28:25]
retail
[28:26]
use of this
[28:27]
real estate. AND
[28:30]
the reason why they do this
[28:31]
attracted, was like that
[28:33]
well, like me, was lying
[28:34]
in that I wanted to
[28:35]
someone from retail
[28:36]
trade came to this
[28:38]
building, so that
[28:38]
use
[28:39]
garage door how
[28:40]
part of your
[28:41]
retail business.
[28:42]
Of course they would have
[28:43]
men's door, so
[28:44]
to get inside,
[28:46]
but they
[28:46]
would use
[28:47]
brand new
[28:48]
commercial garages
[28:49]
gate for
[28:49]
retail trade
[28:50]
on your side
[28:51]
buildings, that is, from
[28:52]
left side of the building,
[28:53]
Where do you see that?
[28:54]
piece of meat
[28:55]
windows. They
[28:56]
would use, uh-
[28:57]
e, modernized
[28:58]
garage doors for
[28:59]
commercial
[29:00]
uses that
[29:01]
would rise and
[29:02]
dropped in the summer, and
[29:03]
in winter, of course,
[29:05]
were falling. And they
[29:07]
would use this
[29:08]
like, uh, retail
[29:09]
business. And the tenant is
[29:13]
Big B Coffee. Big B Coffee is
[29:14]
retailer
[29:16]
from Lansing. They have 300
[29:17]
coffee shops all over
[29:18]
country, one of
[29:19]
fastest growing
[29:20]
franchise
[29:21]
coffee shop, which
[29:22]
tries
[29:23]
compete with Starbucks.
[29:25]
Uh, located in
[29:26]
Lansing. So, uh,
[29:29]
their broker started
[29:31]
talk to us, and
[29:32]
then we agreed, uh-
[29:33]
uh, start
[29:34]
negotiations with them and
[29:35]
started what I told you
[29:37]
I'll tell you now, and
[29:38]
it is the repair of this
[29:39]
real estate within the framework
[29:40]
our negotiations with...
[30:06]
So, we concluded the letter
[30:07]
about intentions, uh, ah
[30:08]
then, finally,
[30:09]
rental agreement with Bigby,
[30:11]
and, uh, they were trying, uh,
[30:12]
in a few
[30:13]
negotiations with the city,
[30:15]
uh, about that, for
[30:16]
Why are we here today?
[30:17]
in the evening, namely, uh,
[30:19]
Bigby wouldn't sign
[30:20]
rental agreement for
[30:21]
location in Michigan-
[30:23]
Cities without a drive-thru. Through
[30:27]
a few repetitions, uh,
[30:28]
drive-thru concepts with
[30:30]
Craig and the
[30:30]
Skyler, we've arrived.
[30:32]
agreement that you have in front of you
[30:34]
now about the drive-thru. Uh,
[30:38]
they signed a 15-year
[30:39]
rental agreement for this
[30:41]
real estate. They
[30:43]
will occupy the left
[30:44]
part of the plot. Them
[30:46]
was needed
[30:47]
three-phase
[30:48]
wiring,
[30:49]
which was not in place,
[30:50]
and what Nipkco is now
[30:51]
brought to the site.
[30:53]
They did it, uh,
[30:54]
based on a 15-year
[30:55]
rental agreement for
[30:56]
modernization
[30:57]
power grid in
[30:58]
buildings. And, uh, Big B, we
[31:02]
requested, uh, permission
[31:03]
from the state of Indiana to
[31:05]
use of this
[31:06]
real estate for
[31:07]
commercial purposes and
[31:08]
for retail
[31:09]
trade on this
[31:10]
area. This is permission.
[31:12]
for design, or
[31:14]
right, Skyler? It
[31:15]
is called permission
[31:16]
for design. IN
[31:17]
we have permission to
[31:17]
design from
[31:18]
of the state of Indiana, which
[31:19]
approves of this place for
[31:21]
retail trade.
[31:23]
Uh, Big B later
[31:24]
received permission from
[31:25]
Michigan City and
[31:27]
started his work
[31:28]
on the site, which are
[31:29]
large-scale. Their, uh
[31:32]
, part of the work on
[31:33]
buildings, uh, for
[31:34]
construction only
[31:35]
half of this
[31:37]
buildings, probably
[31:38]
will exceed the pair
[31:39]
hundreds of thousands, only
[31:40]
for internal
[31:41]
repair of the site. It
[31:43]
not taking into account that
[31:44]
will be done on
[31:45]
external side
[31:46]
buildings. So, this is, uh,
[31:48]
our proposal, which
[31:49]
you are considering
[31:50]
today. uh, this is
[31:52]
adaptive repeat
[31:53]
using one
[31:54]
from buildings,
[31:54]
the use of which
[31:55]
became obsolete.
[31:57]
The goal is not to
[31:58]
in order to demolish
[31:59]
buildings, but in order to
[32:00]
try to find
[32:01]
more intelligent
[32:02]
repeated
[32:03]
using the old one
[32:04]
buildings. And that was it.
[32:06]
perfect combination
[32:07]
between retail
[32:08]
the seller who
[32:09]
Got it, uh, place
[32:10]
for selling coffee here.
[32:12]
In my opinion, they
[32:13]
ideally located
[32:14]
between Lakeshore Coffee, which
[32:15]
is located on
[32:15]
Fourth Street,
[32:16]
Fourth or Fifth
[32:18]
streets, and Starbucks in
[32:19]
southern part
[32:20]
cities. I think that this
[32:21]
will serve
[32:22]
many residents in
[32:23]
downtown Michigan City,
[32:24]
who don't want to drive
[32:25]
all the way to the south
[32:26]
parts or go to
[32:27]
Lakeshore Coffee. I think that
[32:29]
it's great from them
[32:31]
side, and we are glad to see
[32:32]
their tenants in
[32:33]
Michigan City. I am from
[32:36]
I will be happy to answer.
[32:37]
any questions.
[32:39]
Thank you, sir. Members
[32:40]
board, are there any
[32:42]
question? Some
[32:44]
question to the gentleman
[32:45]
Horse? Are they going to
[32:53]
they are posted here
[32:54]
coffee? Yes.
[32:57]
The plan, as you can see,
[32:58]
involves travel from
[32:59]
by car, they
[33:00]
will go around the building with
[33:01]
north end,
[33:03]
will gather there and
[33:04]
will be on the south
[33:05]
ends of the building. They
[33:06]
will come and pick up
[33:07]
their cars with
[33:08]
drive-through windows with
[33:09]
south end
[33:10]
buildings. They
[33:11]
will make one circle,
[33:12]
but there is also
[33:13]
parking for people
[33:14]
who want
[33:15]
to park on
[33:16]
building area.
[33:28]
So, in the summer...Yes,
[33:30]
Something happened there. There is more
[33:32]
some
[33:33]
questions, members
[33:34]
rule? Are there any more?
[33:36]
question?
[33:38]
Thank you, Mr. Connie.
[33:39]
Thank you.
[33:42]
Ladies and gentlemen, now
[33:43]
we open it for
[33:45]
public
[33:45]
discussion. If there is
[33:47]
public
[33:47]
discussion of this
[33:48]
petitions, please
[33:50]
come to
[33:50]
microphone.
[34:02]
Good evening. Your
[34:04]
name and address for
[34:05]
records, please.
[34:06]
Uh, Scott Roberts, uh
[34:08]
, I Street, 309. I have
[34:09]
business in the neighborhood.
[34:12]
And I think that I
[34:13]
The only thing that worries me is that I don't
[34:14]
saw any scheme or
[34:16]
something other than
[34:17]
where the flow will be
[34:18]
transport. Uh, mine
[34:20]
driveway too
[34:22]
runs along
[34:23]
the entire back
[34:24]
parts of them
[34:24]
property. So I don't
[34:26]
I was sure, you know,
[34:27]
Where exactly will the flow go?
[34:29]
transport. And I am a little
[34:31]
concerned that
[34:32]
happening in front
[34:33]
where my
[34:34]
clients. That's where it's from.
[34:36]
their will come out
[34:37]
clients. So I didn't know.
[34:38]
, will something happen
[34:39]
to share our
[34:40]
territory. Or
[34:42]
they will establish
[34:43]
a chain or something like that,
[34:44]
so that people don't come in
[34:46]
on my side, right?
[34:48]
Could you, sir?
[34:49]
Connor, step back here,
[34:50]
Please?
[34:52]
And just stay.
[34:53]
here,
[34:56]
because you don't see it,
[34:58]
and I would like him to
[34:59]
took it
[35:01]
and showed him that we
[35:02]
could answer
[35:03]
question, dispel
[35:05]
all doubts and everything
[35:06]
another so that everyone can
[35:07]
to see that
[35:08]
is happening. Therefore,
[35:20]
the place where we are bordering where ours is.
[35:22]
the territory touches
[35:23]
his property,
[35:24]
really uplifting
[35:25]
the right moment if
[35:27]
you will not be careful
[35:28]
. Uh, we created
[35:31]
enough space for
[35:33]
so that the machine
[35:34]
could go next to
[35:35]
this lane, right?
[35:36]
There's enough space there,
[35:37]
because, according to
[35:38]
by survey, there
[35:39]
approximately 17 by 18
[35:40]
feet. So, this is
[35:43]
small, uh, area
[35:44]
open to him on
[35:46]
his parking lot, and if
[35:47]
this will help him and me
[35:48]
I think that's probably it.
[35:50]
, will help us both,
[35:51]
if there was any
[35:52]
barrier that would
[35:53]
suited us both,
[35:54]
to stop the cars
[35:56]
from, perhaps,
[35:56]
installing the tire on
[35:58]
its area or
[35:59]
even from driving in case of emergency
[36:01]
situations. There is a place,
[36:04]
someone panics, they
[36:05]
will be on it
[36:06]
area. So, I don't
[36:07]
I think this is bad.
[36:09]
the idea is to limit it. Yes,
[36:11]
but he also
[36:12]
worried about
[36:13]
rear cross section
[36:14]
parts of the property.
[36:15]
Right.
[36:21]
That's all, all
[36:22]
this parking lot
[36:23]
is on this,
[36:25]
Nothing is outside
[36:27]
territory. All
[36:28]
is located on
[36:29]
own property.
[36:30]
I didn't know if you know about this.
[36:32]
Yes. And we are not on.
[36:35]
So, in this area
[36:36]
there are actually four
[36:37]
curb exits, and you
[36:38]
actually going to
[36:39]
give up two
[36:40]
of them. The one who
[36:41]
closest to yours
[36:42]
entrance, will be
[36:43]
refused.
[36:44]
He is no more.
[36:45]
Yes, it is no longer available.
[36:46]
will be. Just so you
[36:47]
knew about it. AND
[36:48]
Yes,
[36:51]
no, Skyler wanted
[36:55]
you blocked it.
[36:58]
So your people
[36:59]
come out of here, and these
[37:00]
people will come out.
[37:02]
Yes. Of course. It was
[37:03]
part of the agreements that we
[37:04]
Let's close some of them.
[37:06]
I don't know why they have
[37:06]
there were so many
[37:07]
curb exits.
[37:08]
There were about seven of them.
[37:09]
Yes, they were everywhere.
[37:10]
So,
[37:11]
just a little
[37:12]
remove it to
[37:13]
it was easy
[37:13]
orientate,
[37:14]
to enter and exit,
[37:16]
and so that it does not affect
[37:17]
at your entrance and exit.
[37:18]
That was right.
[37:19]
remark, because
[37:20]
both of these trips
[37:21]
correct.
[37:24]
Anything else, sir?
[37:28]
No. The only thing I haven't done yet
[37:31]
I know, do you know?
[37:32]
when Palix and
[37:34]
they covered all this
[37:35]
gravel, you know, it
[37:36]
there were about 8 tons. I am not
[37:39]
I know if they had it,
[37:40]
are they really
[37:41]
have you examined this?
[37:42]
they probably
[37:43]
leveled everything down.
[37:45]
They wanted this.
[37:46]
take.
[37:47]
Yes. And you now.
[38:02]
OK. Of course.
[38:11]
OK. So, when
[38:12]
I don't care if it is
[38:14]
actually better, but
[38:15]
I just because it is
[38:16]
it was faster. Now you
[38:18]
Do you want to move?
[38:18]
Well, can you tell me?
[38:19]
help? Can you help me
[38:21]
pay for it?
[38:22]
Well, because I
[38:23]
ordered now
[38:24]
lay asphalt. So
[38:25]
,
[38:25]
seriously?
[38:26]
Yes. Do you want
[38:27]
asphalt on your side
[38:29]
on me? It's easy. I
[38:32]
asked
[38:33]
to apologize for that
[38:34]
was on your
[38:35]
property, but was
[38:36]
there. There were many
[38:37]
things for
[38:37]
alignment and
[38:38]
removal from the site, but,
[38:39]
uh, better than it was.
[38:40]
Good. Four curves
[38:42]
excavations and gravel. It
[38:43]
quite a good deal.
[38:45]
Yes. Something else?
[38:48]
Good.
[38:50]
Thank you,
[38:53]
Ladies and gentlemen.
[38:54]
More public
[38:55]
discussion.
[38:59]
. Public
[39:01]
discussion now
[39:02]
closed. Mr. Connor,
[39:04]
You came off easy.
[39:07]
Mr. York, can we, please,
[39:09]
to get acquainted with
[39:10]
your reports?
[39:10]
Of course. Of course.
[39:12]
Hmm, this is a report for
[39:14]
petition B-112-18. Michael
[39:19]
Connor, uh, or Big B
[39:21]
Coffee. Uh,
[39:22]
Department of Water
[39:23]
resources, Randy
[39:24]
Russell, no objection.
[39:25]
Sanitation, er,
[39:26]
also does not deny. THERE ARE-
[39:28]
uh, the fire department is not
[39:29]
denies. Uh,
[39:30]
department
[39:31]
planning, applicants,
[39:32]
which require
[39:32]
special exception
[39:34]
for a restaurant with
[39:34]
service
[39:35]
by car in
[39:36]
zoning district
[39:37]
B2. Requirements of the resolution
[39:38]
about zoning. Dana
[39:39]
property
[39:40]
is located in zone B2,
[39:41]
general
[39:42]
commercial district.
[39:43]
A resolution is needed.
[39:44]
about zoning 7.02 in
[39:45]
Table 7.02 requires
[39:46]
from restaurants with
[39:47]
service
[39:48]
by car
[39:49]
to apply for
[39:50]
special exception
[39:51]
through BZA so that they
[39:52]
responded
[39:53]
additional requirements,
[39:54]
contained in
[39:55]
proposed
[39:56]
section 14.06
[39:56]
Subdivision B
[39:57]
provisions on
[39:58]
using.
[39:59]
The applicant proposes
[40:00]
open a coffee shop with
[40:01]
service
[40:02]
by car for
[40:03]
new coffee shop in
[40:04]
this place. uh,
[40:05]
comments. The only one
[40:06]
the remark that I
[40:07]
I'm going to do it, and I
[40:08]
did, perhaps,
[40:09]
realizing this, this
[40:11]
that new coffee shop
[40:12]
almost completely
[40:13]
will use
[40:14]
parking spaces
[40:15]
here, as well as mandatory,
[40:16]
and I in more detail
[40:17]
I will tell you about it.
[40:18]
later. Therefore,
[40:19]
parking required
[40:20]
for this coffee shop
[40:22]
is approximately
[40:23]
13 places currently
[40:24]
exhausts to the maximum
[40:25]
parking spaces on
[40:27]
territory. Therefore,
[40:28]
proposed
[40:28]
using,
[40:29]
proposed
[40:30]
conclusions regarding
[40:31]
special
[40:31]
exceptional
[40:32]
using,
[40:33]
standards
[40:33]
special
[40:34]
exceptional
[40:35]
using
[40:35]
set out below and
[40:36]
contained in
[40:37]
zoning
[40:38]
at the disposal of 24.05, and
[40:39]
department conclusions
[40:40]
planning is given
[40:41]
lower. Number one-
[40:42]
general welfare.
[40:44]
The offer is not
[40:45]
will cause harm
[40:45]
health, safety and
[40:47]
general welfare
[40:48]
communities. Repeated
[40:49]
use of this
[40:50]
buildings and crossing
[40:51]
from the platform for
[40:52]
used cars
[40:53]
and auto repair shops to
[40:54]
new commercial
[40:55]
The coffee shop won't hurt.
[40:56]
harm to the public
[40:57]
health and safety
[40:58]
and general
[40:59]
community well-being.
[41:00]
Number two - surrounding
[41:01]
property.
[41:02]
Special exceptional
[41:03]
use not
[41:04]
will cause harm
[41:04]
use and
[41:05]
using another
[41:06]
property in
[41:07]
direct
[41:07]
proximity for already
[41:08]
permitted purpose, and
[41:09]
also not significantly
[41:10]
will reduce or not
[41:11]
will worsen the cost
[41:12]
real estate in this
[41:13]
district. Installation
[41:14]
special exception
[41:15]
regarding the use of not
[41:16]
will hinder
[41:17]
normal and
[41:17]
orderly
[41:18]
improvement
[41:19]
surrounding
[41:19]
real estate for
[41:20]
using,
[41:21]
permitted in the district.
[41:22]
This is the use
[41:23]
similar to others
[41:24]
types of use,
[41:25]
located
[41:26]
near and
[41:26]
directly
[41:27]
adjacent to this
[41:28]
real estate.
[41:29]
Danger number three.
[41:31]
Special exception
[41:32]
regarding the use of not
[41:33]
should be
[41:34]
dangers for
[41:35]
neighboring
[41:36]
real estate or
[41:37]
comprise
[41:37]
using,
[41:38]
activity,
[41:39]
materials or
[41:40]
equipment that
[41:40]
will cause harm
[41:41]
health, safety and
[41:43]
the well-being of people or
[41:44]
property due to excessive
[41:45]
noise generation from
[41:46]
traffic, smoke
[41:47]
or smell, exhaust
[41:49]
gases or glare.
[41:50]
This is the use
[41:51]
similar to others
[41:51]
types of use,
[41:52]
located in
[41:53]
direct
[41:54]
proximity to this
[41:55]
real estate.
[41:56]
Public facilities and
[41:57]
services.
[41:58]
The use will be
[41:59]
properly
[42:00]
to be served
[42:00]
important
[42:01]
public
[42:02]
objects and
[42:02]
services such as
[42:03]
highways,
[42:04]
streets, police and
[42:05]
fire protection,
[42:06]
drainage structures,
[42:07]
water supply and
[42:08]
sewage, buildings,
[42:09]
waste disposal
[42:10]
and schools. Was it or
[42:12]
appropriate measures will be taken
[42:13]
measures for
[42:14]
securing entry
[42:15]
and departure in this way
[42:16]
to minimize
[42:17]
traffic jams on
[42:18]
public streets.
[42:20]
This area has all the
[42:21]
necessary public
[42:22]
objects
[42:23]
directly next to,
[42:24]
and within the framework
[42:24]
preparatory work for
[42:26]
construction of a new wells
[42:28]
there will be no sewage system,
[42:29]
but everything was...they
[42:30]
passed through the department
[42:31]
sewage and
[42:32]
sanitation, received
[42:33]
all permissions for their
[42:34]
siphons and the like. I
[42:35]
should have said that...
[42:36]
all other important
[42:37]
public facilities are
[42:39]
sufficient for this
[42:40]
places. Number five,
[42:41]
building requirements.
[42:43]
Development of the site
[42:44]
will respond
[42:45]
the purpose of the requirements for
[42:46]
buildings,
[42:47]
established by this
[42:48]
resolution for
[42:49]
similar
[42:49]
using.
[42:51]
The building will be
[42:51]
designed,
[42:52]
built,
[42:53]
exploited,
[42:54]
to be served and
[42:55]
will be compatible with
[42:55]
existing or
[42:56]
predictable
[42:57]
the nature of the general
[42:58]
neighborhood, based on
[42:59]
comprehensive plan
[43:00]
land management of the district, and
[43:01]
will not change it
[43:03]
significantly. This building
[43:04]
fits the purpose
[43:05]
comprehensive plan
[43:06]
land management, which
[43:07]
provides
[43:08]
self-oriented
[43:09]
business along
[43:10]
street corridor
[43:11]
Franklin, 421. Room
[43:12]
six, intention
[43:13]
resolutions. Granting
[43:16]
special exception
[43:17]
for use not
[43:18]
will contradict
[43:19]
general goals, which
[43:20]
this resolution serves,
[43:21]
and will not harm
[43:22]
permanent damage
[43:23]
other property or
[43:24]
use in the same
[43:25]
zoning district
[43:26]
and nearby. Approval
[43:27]
this special
[43:28]
exception for
[43:29]
use not
[43:30]
will change constantly
[43:31]
building scheme that
[43:32]
is in this
[43:33]
street area
[43:34]
Franklin, 421. Room
[43:35]
seven, development plan
[43:36]
lands of the district.
[43:37]
Suggested
[43:38]
use will be
[43:39]
answer
[43:39]
nature of zoning
[43:40]
the area in which it is
[43:41]
located, according to
[43:43]
recommendations of the plan
[43:44]
land development
[43:45]
district. Request for
[43:47]
special exception
[43:48]
will respond
[43:49]
character and purpose
[43:50]
relevant
[43:51]
zoning of the area and
[43:52]
development plan
[43:53]
lands of the district. Number
[43:56]
eight, rules
[43:57]
using. Where
[43:58]
there are specific rules
[43:59]
use that
[44:00]
contained in Article 14,
[44:02]
special exception
[44:03]
you must
[44:03]
apply together
[44:04]
with all the rules that
[44:06]
apply to
[44:07]
use according to
[44:11]
with subdivision B. eh,
[44:12]
restaurants with
[44:13]
drive-through services
[44:14]
must comply
[44:15]
next additional
[44:17]
requirements. Number one,
[44:20]
drive-through facility
[44:21]
should be
[44:22]
located on
[44:22]
side or rear
[44:23]
part of the building to
[44:24]
minimize
[44:25]
visual visibility
[44:26]
from public and
[44:27]
private road.
[44:28]
The plot must be
[44:29]
oriented towards this
[44:30]
so that the lanes for
[44:31]
driveway and windows
[44:32]
there were no landings
[44:33]
a noticeable part
[44:34]
buildings. You can
[44:35]
notice that he
[44:36]
located on
[44:36]
south side
[44:37]
object, and the scoreboard
[44:38]
orders
[44:39]
located closer
[44:40]
to the back
[44:41]
buildings. So,
[44:42]
this is respected. Service
[44:44]
travel from
[44:44]
cars has
[44:45]
to be fenced off
[44:46]
from the neighbors
[44:47]
residential premises
[44:48]
solid
[44:49]
shielding walls,
[44:50]
according to the resolution
[44:53]
17.03, so that
[44:55]
this had no effect on
[44:56]
use and
[44:57]
pleasure from
[44:58]
residential real estate
[45:00]
. Adjacent rooms
[45:03]
in the north, south and
[45:04]
behind is commercial
[45:05]
real estate zone B2. AND
[45:08]
then we can
[45:09]
work through some
[45:10]
extra things
[45:11]
ahead, perhaps, for us
[45:13]
will have to be planted
[45:14]
some shrubs
[45:15]
in front to shade
[45:16]
these lights that shine.
[45:19]
This is the only thing I wanted.
[45:21]
would add. Thirdly,
[45:24]
must be ensured
[45:25]
clear demarcation
[45:27]
between travel from
[45:27]
cars and
[45:28]
parking lot
[45:29]
playground. You may notice that
[45:32]
this was adhered to.
[45:33]
See the plan
[45:34]
plots. Must be
[45:36]
at least 10 seats
[45:37]
for stacking. I know that this is not the case here.
[45:41]
shown, but we
[45:42]
measured, and probably
[45:43]
there are more than 10
[45:44]
parking spaces,
[45:45]
which extend
[45:46]
from the lane to
[45:47]
back to
[45:48]
actual
[45:49]
front
[45:50]
north corner.
[45:52]
Probably more like 15
[45:54]
places. Um, number five,
[45:59]
every checkpoint
[46:00]
must have a stripe
[46:01]
evacuation so that others
[46:02]
vehicles
[46:03]
could bypass those,
[46:04]
who is waiting for
[46:05]
service. Um,
[46:06]
you may notice,
[46:07]
What does he have, uh,
[46:08]
opportunity to do
[46:09]
two evacuation lanes,
[46:10]
one of the northern
[46:11]
sides and one of
[46:12]
southern. Uh,
[46:13]
north side
[46:14]
was what we were working on
[46:15]
worked. She was
[46:16]
narrower, but we really
[46:18]
we believe that there should be
[46:19]
way to get around
[46:20]
both sides. Therefore,
[46:21]
it was done. Um,
[46:24]
will be provided
[46:25]
only one access per
[46:26]
any street. It
[46:28]
was completed.
[46:29]
See the plan
[46:29]
plots. Uh, they
[46:31]
provide access
[46:32]
along 4 US 429 Franklin Street
[46:34]
and access along Chestnut
[46:35]
, and also close, uh
[46:37]
, two existing curbs,
[46:38]
which ones are there now, about which ones
[46:40]
we talked before. THERE ARE-
[46:41]
uh, closing these two.
[46:44]
Uh, number seven, where
[46:45]
restaurant built
[46:46]
next to commercial
[46:47]
use, will be
[46:49]
direct installed
[46:50]
transport connection
[46:51]
with the neighbor
[46:52]
plot, if it is
[46:52]
perhaps. Um, we just
[46:54]
received
[46:54]
message from
[46:55]
owner of the neighboring
[46:56]
plots. Um, if they
[46:58]
wish to continue
[46:59]
sharing, um, me
[47:00]
I will say that this is now.
[47:02]
exists, but can also be
[47:05]
saved in
[47:06]
future through
[47:07]
easement, uh, some kind
[47:08]
access agreement. It
[47:09]
to you guys,
[47:10]
decide whether you want
[47:11]
you continue
[47:12]
shared use
[47:13]
, or sharing,
[47:15]
but I'll let you decide
[47:16]
you. It's not something that isn't there.
[47:17]
requirement. It's simple.
[47:19]
proposal, this
[47:20]
recommendation. Uh,
[47:21]
department
[47:22]
would recommend
[47:23]
approve
[47:24]
proposed
[47:25]
special exception
[47:26]
for use B-112-8
[47:28]
under such conditions. It
[47:32]
approval
[47:32]
applies only
[47:34]
to the use that
[47:35]
is the subject of a petition,
[47:36]
and any extension
[47:37]
this use
[47:38]
or other
[47:39]
use on this
[47:40]
property will require
[47:42]
, uh, providing
[47:42]
additional
[47:43]
parking space
[47:44]
according to the article
[47:45]
18 resolutions on
[47:46]
zoning to
[47:47]
settlement. And I wanted
[47:48]
would be a little more detailed
[47:50]
explain this. I know,
[47:51]
who hinted at this on
[47:52]
beginning, uh, reading
[47:54]
it. Uh, for now
[47:55]
the party that
[47:56]
used, uh
[47:57]
, we calculate, uh,
[47:59]
parking based
[48:00]
square feet, uh,
[48:02]
essentially, uh, areas for
[48:03]
service
[48:04]
customers. So, this is not
[48:07]
includes rear
[48:07]
part of the restaurant or
[48:09]
coffee shops. So it's not
[48:11]
includes, uh, where
[48:12]
They are making coffee. It
[48:13]
includes a place where
[48:15]
are clients.
[48:16]
So it's not really
[48:17]
very large space
[48:18]
now. So it turns out
[48:20]
approximately 13 seats. Hmm,
[48:23]
and if you noticed,
[48:24]
there were about 14
[48:26]
places. So, hmm,
[48:27]
additional
[48:28]
using,
[48:29]
let's say, from the right
[48:30]
side of the building or from
[48:31]
north side
[48:32]
buildings, will require
[48:33]
additional
[48:34]
parking if
[48:35]
only this is not
[48:36]
use that is not
[48:37]
needs parking,
[48:38]
what can't I do
[48:39]
to think of something not
[48:40]
needs parking.
[48:41]
You know, I
[48:42]
sure that they can
[48:43]
be one or two. Hmm,
[48:45]
but for this
[48:46]
an easement will be needed
[48:47]
with a neighbor, uh,
[48:48]
buying land, simply
[48:49]
search for parking in
[48:51]
radius around this
[48:52]
buildings that we allow the code.
[48:54]
So, I just wanted to
[48:56]
explain this a little,
[48:57]
to clarify a little. Therefore,
[48:58]
at the moment they
[49:00]
meet the requirements
[49:01]
regarding parking.
[49:03]
Thank you, Mr. York.
[49:05]
Board members, are there any?
[49:06]
some discussion
[49:07]
this petition or
[49:08]
suggestions? would like
[49:18]
to make a proposal
[49:19]
about acceptance
[49:26]
conclusions regarding
[49:28]
facts, reports and
[49:29]
approval of petition B
[49:31]
12-18 together with
[49:32]
recommendations. IN
[49:37]
I have an offer from
[49:38]
Mr. Norbell. THERE ARE
[49:40]
friend?
[49:41]
I support her.
[49:42]
Second offer from
[49:44]
Miss Janice.
[49:45]
You wanted to read
[49:46]
recommendations, sir
[49:48]
Norville? Are you okay?
[49:49]
I'm fine.
[49:50]
Good.
[49:53]
So, we have
[49:53]
recommendation and, uh,
[49:55]
condition, as well as
[49:56]
part of the approval.
[49:57]
Good. Simply
[49:58]
make sure.
[49:59]
Good.
[50:00]
Mr. York, the count
[50:02]
, please.
[50:05]
Mr. Hook.
[50:06]
Yes.
[50:08]
Mr. Jackson.
[50:09]
Yes.
[50:11]
Miss Janice. Yes.
[50:14]
Mr. Noel.
[50:15]
Yes.
[50:16]
The proposal was approved.
[50:17]
Congratulations, sir.
[50:19]
Thank you.
[50:24]
Um, Mr. Connor, we are
[50:25]
we can work
[50:26]
over additional
[50:27]
things in advance, I want to make sure that
[50:29]
we are not shining
[50:30]
with lights directly on
[50:31]
you, and I think we
[50:32]
must do this,
[50:33]
even if you
[50:34]
achieved significant
[50:35]
improvement, because
[50:36]
this is not a car
[50:37]
parking. Thank you. Thank you.
[50:51]
Okay, Mr. York, our
[50:53]
the next petition,
[50:54]
Please. Good. It
[50:58]
petition B-11-18 regarding
[51:02]
interfaith
[51:04]
public
[51:04]
shelters, in which
[51:05]
permission requested
[51:07]
for use
[51:08]
real estate for
[51:09]
community center,
[51:10]
located behind
[51:11]
at West 8th street, 101. I don't
[51:13]
sure who exactly
[51:15]
will speak
[51:16]
tonight.
[51:20]
Good evening, sir.
[51:22]
Please provide
[51:23]
your name and address
[51:24]
for records.
[51:25]
My name is John Wra. I live at the address
[51:28]
109 Beverly Court,
[51:29]
Michigan City, and I am
[51:30]
lawyer on issues
[51:32]
interfaith
[51:33]
public
[51:34]
shelters and sisters
[51:35]
Gary. Besides me,
[51:38]
tonight at
[51:39]
I will be two.
[51:40]
speakers from
[51:40]
evidence on
[51:41]
support our
[51:42]
petitions. What for those of
[51:46]
you, who are not familiar,
[51:48]
Gary's sisters own
[51:49]
this property, and
[51:50]
this property is
[51:52]
old church of St.
[51:53]
Hearts at West
[51:55]
-street, 100001, Michigan-
[51:56]
City. Gary's Sisters
[52:00]
own all
[52:01]
Catholic
[52:02]
churches, all over
[52:03]
parish
[52:03]
property, all
[52:04]
schools and secondary schools in Michigan-
[52:07]
City. Interfaith
[52:09]
public shelters
[52:10]
–it is the only one in the district
[52:13]
Liport program
[52:14]
temporary
[52:14]
emergency housing as
[52:16]
for men, and
[52:17]
for women. AND
[52:17]
abbreviation PAD
[52:18]
decoded as "
[52:20]
public action delivering shelter"
[52:21]
public action that
[52:22]
provides shelter).
[52:24]
And here we are today
[52:25]
in the evening, and we ask
[52:26]
about special
[52:27]
exception for
[52:27]
using. Property,
[52:30]
old church
[52:31]
the property belongs to the Daskese family from Gary
[52:33]
. Relative of Dasqueze
[52:35]
ready to sacrifice
[52:37]
this property
[52:37]
interfaith
[52:42]
public facilities,
[52:43]
for construction
[52:44]
community center,
[52:45]
and we are looking for
[52:46]
special exception,
[52:47]
therefore the first witness,
[52:48]
whom I will invite,
[52:49]
Mr. Rojak, you
[52:50]
agree that you will ask for
[52:51]
special exception
[52:52]
for use
[52:53]
tonight,
[52:53]
special
[52:54]
exception for
[52:54]
using,
[52:55]
special
[52:55]
exception for
[52:56]
using,
[52:57]
yes, I just want to
[52:58]
this was recorded in
[52:59]
protocol,
[52:59]
the first witness, whom
[53:00]
we will have here
[53:01]
tonight,
[53:02]
will be Mr. Harrison
[53:03]
Holt Kemp, whom I
[53:04]
I'm going to call.
[53:05]
Um, Mr. Holt Kemp.
[53:17]
Good evening. Your
[53:18]
name and address for
[53:19]
records, please.
[53:20]
My name is Harrison.
[53:22]
Holamp, 7871 West 400
[53:23]
North, Michigan City.
[53:26]
Mr. Holtamp, you
[53:27]
director
[53:27]
interfaith
[53:28]
public roads? I
[53:30]
director.
[53:31]
And how long have you been
[53:32]
director?
[53:34]
I have been a director for three years.
[53:35]
, and I'm a volunteer there already
[53:37]
17 years old.
[53:39]
And does it provide
[53:40]
interfaith
[53:41]
community emergency
[53:42]
shelter for
[53:42]
men and women,
[53:44]
who do not have
[53:44]
affordable housing?
[53:46]
We provide.
[53:48]
And what other services
[53:49]
interfaith
[53:50]
the community provides
[53:51]
community and guests
[53:52]
institution?
[53:53]
So, when the guests
[53:54]
we are arriving,
[53:55]
of course, we give them
[53:56]
shelter. We also
[53:58]
We provide them with food.
[54:00]
We provide
[54:01]
help so that others
[54:02]
agencies could
[54:03]
to help our
[54:04]
guests to leave
[54:05]
homelessness.
[54:07]
And is there an Interfaith
[54:08]
community as one
[54:09]
emergency shelter
[54:10]
in Leeport County for
[54:11]
men and women?
[54:12]
Er, for men–
[54:13]
Yes. For women, yes. THERE ARE
[54:15]
and other agencies that
[54:16]
offer emergency
[54:17]
help. Uh, we
[54:18]
the only emergency
[54:19]
shelter for
[54:20]
men and women,
[54:21]
which works constantly.
[54:22]
How many months
[54:23]
year working male
[54:24]
shelter?
[54:25]
Men now
[54:26]
six are working
[54:27]
months in our
[54:27]
program. Six
[54:28]
months in the program
[54:30]
The Salvation Army.
[54:32]
And next to the property,
[54:33]
regarding which we ask
[54:35]
petition, at 10:01 West 8, or
[54:37]
Is there a women's shelter?
[54:39]
There is a women's and a family one
[54:41]
shelter, Sun Castle.
[54:42]
And how long is this
[54:43]
Does the shelter exist?
[54:44]
I think Castle
[54:45]
is there
[54:46]
about 5 years,
[54:47]
maybe six. And how
[54:50]
is working now
[54:50]
men's shelter.
[54:52]
Can you describe?
[54:53]
to the members of the council on issues
[54:54]
zoning like this
[54:55]
works and how is it
[54:56]
worked during
[54:57]
the last 17 years?
[54:58]
So, we invite
[54:59]
our guests. Hmm, near
[55:01]
There is a small entrance
[55:02]
protection. Actually,
[55:03]
there are many at the entrance
[55:04]
security. So we check their
[55:06]
things. We examine them,
[55:07]
and this year we are going
[55:08]
to provide an overview,
[55:09]
metal detector everyone
[55:10]
their things. Not that
[55:11]
we ever
[55:12]
there were problems, but we want to provide
[55:14]
the safety of our place
[55:14]
and their safety. We also offer
[55:16]
breathalyzer near
[55:17]
entrance, not for that,
[55:18]
to exclude people,
[55:19]
and in order to
[55:20]
actually
[55:20]
diagnose people.
[55:21]
Hmm, in the warmer months,
[55:22]
when the temperature
[55:23]
above 40 °, we do not
[55:24]
we allow guests in
[55:25]
intoxicated
[55:25]
drunkenness brothers
[55:26]
participation in our
[55:27]
program. But when
[55:28]
temperature below 40 °
[55:29]
, for their sake
[55:30]
security we really them
[55:31]
we let in. They
[55:32]
are in
[55:32]
a small area where they
[55:33]
not allowed
[55:34]
communicate with
[55:34]
other guests
[55:35]
for several
[55:36]
hours. So, they
[55:36]
receive a small
[55:38]
respite for
[55:38]
adults, um, for their own
[55:40]
guilt. We also
[55:41]
we have the opportunity
[55:42]
talk to them, and
[55:43]
we pass on their
[55:44]
wrong numbers,
[55:45]
their numbers displayed
[55:46]
consultants and
[55:47]
their affairs in Keys to
[55:48]
Hope.
[55:50]
And what about
[55:51]
number of institutions
[55:52]
men's shelter,
[55:53]
which is now in
[55:54]
Michigan City, how much?
[55:55]
institutions you
[55:56]
Do you use?
[55:58]
Um, now we have
[55:59]
eight churches that
[56:00]
cooperate with our
[56:01]
male and female
[56:03]
programs.
[56:05]
And these churches
[56:06]
located on
[56:07]
throughout the center
[56:08]
Michigan City. Ahem,
[56:10]
six of them
[56:11]
are in the center
[56:12]
cities. Yes, six of them are in
[56:13]
the city center, and two of
[56:14]
them now
[56:15]
are on
[56:15]
south side
[56:16]
cities.
[56:16]
Is it used?
[56:17]
Sacred Heart for some
[56:19]
parts of operations
[56:20]
now in this season?
[56:21]
Sacred Heart, because they
[56:22]
derived from
[56:23]
operation. Now
[56:24]
they are not part of
[56:25]
our operations, but
[56:26]
last year they
[56:27]
were, five nights at
[56:28]
week. Before this,
[56:29]
only two, up to five between
[56:31]
both programs.
[56:32]
They are very important for
[56:34]
us. And did they arise?
[56:36]
any problems with
[56:37]
operations at Sacred Heart?
[56:39]
Well, what about yours?
[56:41]
activities at Sacred Heart?
[56:42]
No. No. Sacred Heart has it all
[56:44]
perfectly. This is perfect.
[56:46]
place.
[56:50]
Is it interfaith?
[56:51]
community annually
[56:52]
provides approximately
[56:53]
7000 nights of accommodation,
[56:56]
including
[56:57]
six months old
[56:57]
men's program and
[56:59]
annual year-round
[57:00]
women's program? If
[57:01]
name one person,
[57:02]
who sleeps one night,
[57:03]
at night, then for the last
[57:05]
we recorded the year
[57:06]
over 7000 nights.
[57:09]
And do you work without
[57:10]
government grants?
[57:11]
We don't get
[57:12]
no state
[57:13]
grants. We get
[57:14]
some local grants
[57:16]
from Unity Foundation, MCCE,
[57:17]
other similar ones
[57:17]
organizations,
[57:18]
mostly from
[57:19]
charitable donations
[57:20]
in its natural form.
[57:23]
Can you estimate,
[57:24]
How many guests are you?
[57:25]
served on time
[57:26]
your volunteer
[57:27]
work as a director?
[57:29]
So, ever since I
[57:30]
became director, in
[57:31]
there were on average 10 of us
[57:33]
about 85-85 receptions
[57:34]
for men
[57:35]
programs in the first year
[57:37]
when I was 16-17
[57:38]
years; next
[57:39]
this figure increased
[57:41]
up to about 90, and
[57:42]
last year in
[57:43]
men's program
[57:45]
there were about 119 people.
[57:47]
In the women's program,
[57:48]
because this is all new
[57:49]
in the first year, hmm,
[57:51]
we registered
[57:52]
about 40 people between
[57:53]
summer and winter
[57:54]
shelters; it
[57:55]
includes children.
[57:58]
Can you tell me?
[58:00]
that was a lot
[58:00]
success stories
[58:01]
some people who
[58:02]
died during your
[58:03]
programs?
[58:04]
Oh, I have a lot.
[58:05]
success stories. IN
[58:06]
I probably have several.
[58:07]
success stories here in
[58:08]
the crowd behind me.
[58:09]
Hmm, one that falls
[58:10]
in our opinion, hmm
[58:11]
the first woman in our
[58:13]
women's shelter
[58:14]
came to the second
[58:15]
day. On the first day in
[58:16]
our female
[58:16]
We don't have a shelter.
[58:17]
there were guests, and I thought I did.
[58:19]
a huge mistake,
[58:20]
but on the second night it
[58:20]
there was a mother who came out
[58:21]
from the bus, which
[58:22]
runs right in front
[58:23]
shelter at Sacred Heart with my little 5-
[58:25]
one-year-old daughter, and
[58:25]
they stayed on
[58:26]
night. They were ours.
[58:27]
the first guests, and
[58:28]
during the week they
[58:29]
got into another one
[58:30]
asylum programs,
[58:31]
what we are working on
[58:32]
side by side with CCH, Citizens
[58:33]
Concerned for the Homeless, and they
[58:34]
run Sandcastle. They
[58:35]
were participants in this
[58:36]
programs, and during
[58:37]
two weeks in
[58:38]
They are back at Sandcastle
[58:39]
were in their own
[58:39]
apartment with
[58:40]
agencies with which
[58:41]
we cooperate,
[58:42]
especially when people
[58:42]
submit applications themselves.
[58:43]
This is really
[58:44]
happens quickly,
[58:45]
and in this area there is
[58:46]
many agencies that
[58:47]
help us, and we work closely with
[58:49]
them.
[58:50]
Is the property Sacred?
[58:52]
Heart on the bus
[58:53]
route? He is on
[58:54]
bus route
[58:55]
every half hour
[58:57]
in front of this building at
[58:58]
8:00 p.m., at 8:00 p.m., and at 10:00 a.m.
[58:59]
And why the bus?
[59:00]
Is the route important?
[59:01]
So some of our
[59:02]
it is difficult for guests
[59:03]
to move around on foot
[59:04]
Some of our guests
[59:05]
actually
[59:06]
returning from
[59:06]
works, and they,
[59:07]
probably don't have
[59:08]
machinery. In our
[59:09]
the program is very small
[59:10]
drivers. But also
[59:11]
it is important simply
[59:12]
to reach others
[59:13]
services, which, again,
[59:14]
yes, if in Michigan-
[59:15]
The city has services that everyone
[59:16]
separated, and
[59:16]
bus route
[59:17]
actually connects them
[59:18]
all together. Therefore, when
[59:19]
I create websites and
[59:20]
I'm trying to ask.
[59:21]
other churches to become
[59:21]
part of our
[59:22]
programs, I am sure that they
[59:23]
on the bus
[59:24]
route, because it is
[59:25]
vital for
[59:25]
our program. For
[59:26]
our guests life
[59:28]
it is important to move around
[59:29]
city.
[59:30]
You belong to
[59:31]
correct
[59:32]
religious community?
[59:34]
You are asking about
[59:35]
deviation from
[59:36]
special
[59:36]
using?
[59:39]
Yes.
[59:40]
And with this deviation
[59:41]
from special
[59:42]
use, or
[59:43]
undertakes
[59:44]
organizer
[59:44]
donate to you
[59:45]
real estate?
[59:47]
Yes. Within the framework
[59:55]
preparation for
[59:56]
today's
[59:57]
in the evening you ask
[1:00:03]
me to get thoughts
[1:00:04]
regarding any
[1:00:08]
economic impact
[1:00:09]
this property on
[1:00:11]
owners of the neighboring
[1:00:12]
real estate in this
[1:00:13]
district. I did it.
[1:00:15]
And I show you
[1:00:16]
document marked
[1:00:17]
as proof number one.
[1:00:19]
Can you describe,
[1:00:20]
What kind of document is this? There
[1:00:21]
written "Service
[1:00:23]
"Leeport County Assessments"
[1:00:24]
. It looks like this, hmm,
[1:00:26]
meeting minutes
[1:00:27]
of
[1:00:27]
location "
[1:00:28]
Sacred Heart". Uh,
[1:00:32]
he essentially expresses,
[1:00:34]
hmm, how much space is there,
[1:00:41]
how many, hmm, are there
[1:00:42]
parking spaces,
[1:00:43]
hmm, what is it really from?
[1:00:45]
composes itself
[1:00:46]
community, and it doesn't have to,
[1:00:47]
hmm, negative
[1:00:48]
impact on existing
[1:00:49]
neighbors or the area, and
[1:00:50]
also provides
[1:00:51]
humanitarian and
[1:00:52]
charitable services
[1:00:53]
outraged and most
[1:00:54]
our needy
[1:00:55]
communities.
[1:00:59]
So, this is professional
[1:01:00]
Mr. Lewis's opinion
[1:01:01]
Assessment error
[1:01:02]
district, that this
[1:01:03]
will not have shelter
[1:01:04]
no negative
[1:01:06]
impact on existing
[1:01:07]
neighbors or neighborhood. I see this for the first time, and,
[1:01:11]
Of course. Yes.
[1:01:13]
Excuse me, gentlemen. Sir
[1:01:15]
Wait, can you?
[1:01:16]
please,
[1:01:17]
read this to
[1:01:18]
protocol?
[1:01:19]
If you are going to do this
[1:01:20]
to lift...Yes, I want to, have this read to
[1:01:22]
protocol, please
[1:01:23]
. I apologize, friends,
[1:01:24]
but
[1:01:25]
I just want
[1:01:26]
make sure that this
[1:01:27]
Yes.
[1:01:27]
Good. Letters to me,
[1:01:30]
um, at the meeting from 10
[1:01:31]
September 2018 regarding
[1:01:33]
Sacred Heart Church
[1:01:34]
at 101 West H
[1:01:36]
Street. The question that
[1:01:37]
they put me,
[1:01:38]
is whether
[1:01:39]
proposed change
[1:01:40]
using
[1:01:41]
will harm the area.
[1:01:42]
As far as I understand,
[1:01:43]
Dasseze with Gary,
[1:01:44]
the current owner has
[1:01:46]
intention to convey
[1:01:47]
organization building
[1:01:48]
called Interface City Pads
[1:01:50]
. Historically Hitter Interfaith
[1:01:52]
City Pads managed
[1:01:53]
a refuge for
[1:01:53]
homeless men
[1:01:55]
within six
[1:01:56]
months per year,
[1:01:56]
spending one night in
[1:01:58]
seven local
[1:01:59]
churches of various
[1:01:59]
religious
[1:02:00]
beliefs and
[1:02:01]
denominations, including
[1:02:02]
existing church
[1:02:03]
Sacred Heart.
[1:02:04]
As far as I understand,
[1:02:05]
you are applying for
[1:02:06]
receiving benefits for
[1:02:07]
special
[1:02:08]
use to seven
[1:02:09]
churches could
[1:02:09]
use
[1:02:10]
Church of the Sacred Heart
[1:02:11]
seven days a week
[1:02:12]
as a shelter for
[1:02:13]
homeless men.
[1:02:15]
It should be noted that
[1:02:16]
emergency points
[1:02:17]
worked during
[1:02:18]
many years without
[1:02:19]
incidents. Object
[1:02:21]
Sacred Heart
[1:02:21]
consists of two
[1:02:22]
areas where
[1:02:23]
church is located
[1:02:25]
building and another one
[1:02:26]
disorderly
[1:02:26]
area. Existing
[1:02:28]
The building has an area of 5644
[1:02:29]
square feet and
[1:02:31]
approximately 12,700
[1:02:32]
square feet
[1:02:33]
asphalt
[1:02:34]
coating. Existing
[1:02:36]
the area is assigned to
[1:02:37]
R1D zones as
[1:02:37]
single-family
[1:02:38]
residential building on
[1:02:39]
residential areas
[1:02:40]
medium size.
[1:02:42]
In my opinion, this
[1:02:42]
complex enough
[1:02:43]
big and has
[1:02:44]
sufficient quantity
[1:02:45]
heat sources to
[1:02:46]
more than
[1:02:47]
to satisfy one's own
[1:02:48]
using. According to
[1:02:49]
with the R1D district, churches,
[1:02:50]
chapels, temples,
[1:02:51]
community centers
[1:02:52]
need
[1:02:53]
special
[1:02:54]
options
[1:02:54]
use, but
[1:02:55]
such use as
[1:02:57]
rule, allowed as
[1:02:58]
part of the housing
[1:02:59]
complex and is
[1:03:00]
ubiquitous in
[1:03:01]
most areas
[1:03:02]
Michigan City. On mine
[1:03:04]
opinion, use
[1:03:06]
men's shelter
[1:03:07]
doesn't have much
[1:03:08]
harmful effects on
[1:03:09]
existing neighbors or
[1:03:10]
district, but provides
[1:03:11]
humanitarian and
[1:03:12]
compassionate help
[1:03:13]
needy and
[1:03:14]
the most needy
[1:03:15]
of our community. Except
[1:03:17]
moreover, the use
[1:03:18]
this object
[1:03:19]
will prevent
[1:03:20]
vandalism and
[1:03:21]
crimes that are often
[1:03:23]
occur in
[1:03:23]
buildings that are less common
[1:03:25]
populated, respectively,
[1:03:26]
submitted by Lewis Pazudo,
[1:03:27]
certified
[1:03:28]
residential appraiser
[1:03:29]
state real estate
[1:03:30]
Indiana. To the letter
[1:03:33]
attached
[1:03:34]
Mr. qualification
[1:03:35]
Pizudo. There are two more or
[1:03:55]
three more letters. Hmm, one
[1:03:58]
from the Social Group
[1:03:59]
justice of the city
[1:04:00]
Michigan, one from
[1:04:08]
home team
[1:04:09]
district coordinator,
[1:04:11]
one from
[1:04:11]
public fund.
[1:04:12]
Do you want me too?
[1:04:14]
Did you read them?
[1:04:16]
If the letters are
[1:04:17]
filed as public
[1:04:19]
document, yes, I am
[1:04:20]
I want these people here.
[1:04:21]
heard exactly what
[1:04:22]
I just did it.
[1:04:23]
I mean, I
[1:04:24]
I'm sorry, friends, but
[1:04:26]
I think you all
[1:04:26]
deserve to hear
[1:04:28]
everything we see that
[1:04:29]
we see and what we hear.
[1:04:30]
This next letter,
[1:04:32]
which we call
[1:04:33]
proof two, from
[1:04:34]
Social groups
[1:04:35]
justice of the city
[1:04:36]
Michigan. Please,
[1:04:37]
accept our
[1:04:38]
support for the application for
[1:04:39]
interfaith
[1:04:40]
public ways for
[1:04:41]
use on
[1:04:42]
area at the address
[1:04:43]
West A Street, 10001,
[1:04:44]
former church
[1:04:45]
Sacred Heart.
[1:04:46]
Michigan City has
[1:04:47]
great need for
[1:04:47]
permanent shelter
[1:04:48]
for men, women
[1:04:49]
and families who
[1:04:50]
suffer from
[1:04:51]
homelessness. Daily
[1:04:53]
relocation of the shelter
[1:04:54]
from church to church is
[1:04:55]
logistically difficult
[1:04:56]
for our members
[1:04:57]
communities that
[1:04:58]
use
[1:04:59]
services that
[1:05:00]
makes it difficult to search and
[1:05:01]
volunteer support
[1:05:02]
and demands more
[1:05:03]
resources and
[1:05:04]
materials in different
[1:05:05]
places. Permanent
[1:05:08]
location
[1:05:09]
will provide greater
[1:05:10]
stability
[1:05:10]
volunteers and the best
[1:05:11]
services for our
[1:05:12]
residents who
[1:05:13]
most in need
[1:05:14]
this type of shelter.
[1:05:15]
In our city
[1:05:16]
observed
[1:05:17]
increase in number
[1:05:18]
families looking for
[1:05:19]
shelter in the near future
[1:05:20]
years, and we must
[1:05:21]
to provide
[1:05:21]
permanent option
[1:05:22]
emergency shelter,
[1:05:23]
who can
[1:05:24]
expand, not
[1:05:25]
the one who constantly
[1:05:26]
tries
[1:05:26]
to provide sufficient
[1:05:28]
the number of churches that
[1:05:29]
participate, and
[1:05:29]
trying to find
[1:05:30]
more resources and
[1:05:31]
donations. None
[1:05:33]
need to work
[1:05:34]
more when
[1:05:34]
available more
[1:05:35]
permanent option. It
[1:05:37]
better for ours
[1:05:37]
residents,
[1:05:38]
volunteers and communities
[1:05:39]
in general. When
[1:05:40]
services are available
[1:05:41]
confused and
[1:05:42]
inconsistent,
[1:05:43]
more people
[1:05:43]
find themselves on the street.
[1:05:45]
We ask you
[1:05:45]
approve the application
[1:05:46]
interfaith
[1:05:47]
public
[1:05:48]
pillow on
[1:05:48]
deviation from
[1:05:49]
use for
[1:05:50]
former church
[1:05:51]
Sacred Heart. It
[1:05:52]
second proof. Third
[1:05:55]
proof, um, provided
[1:05:56]
home team
[1:05:57]
Leeport County or
[1:05:58]
continuous
[1:05:59]
care. Um, here's theirs.
[1:06:02]
letter of support regarding
[1:06:03]
deviation from
[1:06:04]
using
[1:06:04]
former church
[1:06:05]
Sacred Heart.
[1:06:06]
Delivery team
[1:06:07]
services consists of
[1:06:08]
30 suppliers
[1:06:09]
services, government officials,
[1:06:10]
educators,
[1:06:11]
representatives
[1:06:12]
religious
[1:06:12]
organizations and
[1:06:13]
caring people who
[1:06:14]
monthly
[1:06:15]
meet for
[1:06:16]
communication and
[1:06:16]
cooperation on
[1:06:17]
projects,
[1:06:18]
aimed at
[1:06:19]
plan advancement
[1:06:20]
Leeport County regarding
[1:06:21]
overcoming
[1:06:21]
homelessness.
[1:06:22]
Delivery team
[1:06:23]
services recognizes
[1:06:24]
effort
[1:06:25]
interfaith
[1:06:25]
public
[1:06:26]
shelters,
[1:06:27]
aimed at
[1:06:27]
software
[1:06:28]
emergency shelter
[1:06:29]
for the most
[1:06:30]
vulnerable citizens
[1:06:31]
our community, and
[1:06:32]
the greatest benefit
[1:06:33]
from use
[1:06:34]
church buildings
[1:06:35]
Sacred Heart,
[1:06:35]
helping them
[1:06:36]
to do one's duty
[1:06:37]
mission. Building
[1:06:38]
serves spiritual and
[1:06:39]
material
[1:06:40]
community needs
[1:06:41]
over a hundred years. This
[1:06:43]
community during
[1:06:44]
the last 18 years
[1:06:45]
places
[1:06:45]
interfaith
[1:06:46]
public
[1:06:47]
men's shelter.
[1:06:49]
Various uses
[1:06:50]
will not cause harm
[1:06:51]
public
[1:06:52]
health, safety,
[1:06:53]
morality or general
[1:06:54]
well-being and will
[1:06:55]
useful for the community
[1:06:56]
in all aspects.
[1:06:57]
The need for constant
[1:06:58]
shelter for
[1:06:59]
homeless
[1:06:59]
men and women
[1:07:00]
has increased over the last 18
[1:07:01]
years since
[1:07:02]
establishment
[1:07:03]
interfaith
[1:07:03]
public
[1:07:04]
men's shelter
[1:07:05]
a group of locals
[1:07:06]
churches under
[1:07:06]
led by Dorothy
[1:07:07]
Miller and Nancy
[1:07:08]
Bracken. Primary
[1:07:09]
shelter program,
[1:07:10]
what was offered,
[1:07:11]
was staffed
[1:07:12]
volunteers and
[1:07:13]
alternated with
[1:07:13]
church basements-
[1:07:14]
participants during
[1:07:15]
cold months with
[1:07:16]
October to April,
[1:07:17]
but served
[1:07:18]
only men. Interfaith
[1:07:19]
serves as
[1:07:20]
men, and
[1:07:22]
women since their
[1:07:23]
registration and
[1:07:24]
obtaining 501c3 status
[1:07:26]
The tax service in
[1:07:27]
2017. With each
[1:07:28]
It gets harder every year.
[1:07:29]
find enough
[1:07:30]
number of volunteers
[1:07:31]
for maintenance
[1:07:33]
places of refuge and
[1:07:34]
searching for churches that
[1:07:35]
want and can
[1:07:35]
participate. If in
[1:07:37]
we will run out
[1:07:38]
volunteers and churches-
[1:07:39]
participants, then housing
[1:07:40]
for the homeless now
[1:07:41]
will be a problem for
[1:07:42]
religious community
[1:07:43]
Michigan City, and this
[1:07:44]
will be a problem for
[1:07:45]
city
[1:07:46]
administration
[1:07:46]
Michigan. Permanent
[1:07:47]
place will mean
[1:07:48]
less spending on
[1:07:49]
supply, less
[1:07:50]
food waste due to
[1:07:51]
absence
[1:07:52]
refrigeration
[1:07:52]
equipment. It
[1:07:53]
will mean easier
[1:07:54]
communication with
[1:07:55]
city police and
[1:07:56]
emergency service
[1:07:57]
assistance,
[1:07:57]
will need less
[1:07:58]
staff and
[1:07:59]
staff,
[1:07:59]
will provide
[1:08:00]
a stable base
[1:08:00]
activities for
[1:08:01]
men and women,
[1:08:02]
who seek
[1:08:03]
improve your life
[1:08:04]
and move forward to
[1:08:05]
permanent residence. It
[1:08:06]
will mean that
[1:08:07]
religious community
[1:08:08]
will be able to continue
[1:08:09]
serve our
[1:08:10]
homeless population
[1:08:11]
with the support of the city
[1:08:12]
administration in
[1:08:13]
the following years.
[1:08:14]
The Holy Building
[1:08:14]
Hearts will provide
[1:08:16]
permanent place.
[1:08:16]
Please approve.
[1:08:18]
their application for
[1:08:19]
deviation from
[1:08:19]
using.
[1:08:21]
Final letter from
[1:08:22]
District Unity Fund
[1:08:23]
Liport. This will be ours.
[1:08:24]
Exhibit 4. Dear
[1:08:25]
BZA members, please
[1:08:27]
accept this letter
[1:08:28]
support application for
[1:08:29]
interfaith
[1:08:30]
public pads
[1:08:31]
to deviate from
[1:08:32]
using
[1:08:33]
real estate for
[1:08:33]
address: Street A, 10001,
[1:08:35]
formerly known as
[1:08:36]
Church of the Sacred Heart.
[1:08:37]
This building served
[1:08:38]
spiritual
[1:08:38]
material
[1:08:39]
community needs
[1:08:40]
over 100 years.
[1:08:41]
Over the past 18
[1:08:42]
years here
[1:08:43]
was located
[1:08:43]
interfaith
[1:08:44]
public
[1:08:45]
men's shelter,
[1:08:46]
to ensure
[1:08:47]
life and safety
[1:08:48]
people until they
[1:08:49]
will find housing.
[1:08:50]
The need for constant
[1:08:51]
shelter for
[1:08:52]
homeless men
[1:08:53]
and women have always been
[1:08:54]
necessary.
[1:08:55]
Interfaith
[1:08:56]
public shelter
[1:08:57]
was founded 18
[1:08:58]
years ago by a group
[1:08:59]
local churches under
[1:09:00]
led by Dorothy
[1:09:02]
Miller and Nancy Brack,
[1:09:03]
and the initial grant
[1:09:04]
from the Unity Fund and
[1:09:06]
the pillow was
[1:09:06]
provided by Franciscan Health. IN
[1:09:08]
2004 Unity Fund
[1:09:09]
together with the mayor of the city
[1:09:10]
Michigan Chuck
[1:09:11]
Overberly, Council
[1:09:12]
health care
[1:09:13]
Dunan and United Way
[1:09:14]
started discussing
[1:09:15]
housing issues and
[1:09:16]
homelessness.
[1:09:18]
Known as home
[1:09:18]
team, we are together
[1:09:19]
studied and learned
[1:09:20]
housing issues and
[1:09:21]
homelessness, so that
[1:09:21]
try to solve
[1:09:22]
housing problems and
[1:09:23]
homelessness
[1:09:24]
the most effective and
[1:09:25]
the smartest
[1:09:25]
way. By
[1:09:26]
Corporation support
[1:09:27]
economic
[1:09:28]
city development
[1:09:29]
Michigan, Mystetsky
[1:09:30]
Uptown District and
[1:09:31]
grant from the Foundation
[1:09:32]
health care with
[1:09:33]
Liport, we were looking for
[1:09:34]
ways to improve
[1:09:35]
our system
[1:09:36]
emergency housing.
[1:09:39]
One thing is clear:
[1:09:40]
permanent place
[1:09:41]
the location is
[1:09:42]
critically important
[1:09:43]
pillar of effective
[1:09:44]
systems. Permanent
[1:09:54]
location
[1:09:55]
will provide
[1:09:56]
a stable base
[1:09:57]
activities for
[1:09:57]
men and women,
[1:09:59]
who need
[1:09:59]
emergency housing, and
[1:10:00]
will also help
[1:10:01]
find a constant
[1:10:02]
supportive housing. It
[1:10:03]
will mean that
[1:10:04]
religious community
[1:10:05]
will be able to continue
[1:10:06]
to serve our
[1:10:07]
homeless. Good.
[1:10:50]
Special, for
[1:10:51]
except that there is
[1:10:52]
deviation from
[1:10:53]
special
[1:10:54]
the use you make
[1:10:55]
you ask. Or
[1:10:55]
Do you think that this is not
[1:10:57]
will threaten
[1:10:57]
public safety
[1:10:58]
health, morals,
[1:10:59]
comfort and
[1:11:00]
general welfare
[1:11:01]
No.
[1:11:02]
Good. And regarding the question
[1:11:04]
public
[1:11:04]
health, then during
[1:11:09]
17 years old, what, uh,
[1:11:10]
are functioning
[1:11:11]
interfaith
[1:11:12]
public shelters,
[1:11:13]
you follow
[1:11:15]
programs for
[1:11:15]
preservation and
[1:11:16]
promoting cleanliness,
[1:11:17]
including the following.
[1:11:19]
Right. Each
[1:11:20]
the place is being cleaned
[1:11:21]
every evening.
[1:11:22]
Right.
[1:11:22]
There is a mandatory
[1:11:23]
procedure, according to
[1:11:24]
which guests should
[1:11:24]
take a shower
[1:11:25]
at least twice
[1:11:26]
per week and
[1:11:26]
follow
[1:11:27]
personal hygiene, and
[1:11:27]
also monitor that
[1:11:28]
so that their clothes are
[1:11:29]
washed. Actually,
[1:11:30]
our guests must
[1:11:31]
take a shower every day.
[1:11:32]
They must walk.
[1:11:33]
to Keys to Hope, where
[1:11:34]
located
[1:11:35]
public showers, and
[1:11:36]
Director of Keys to Hope
[1:11:37]
sends me every day
[1:11:38]
or electronically
[1:11:39]
by mail a list of those
[1:11:40]
who actually performed
[1:11:42]
requirements. We are definitely
[1:11:43]
We know who does what.
[1:11:44]
And if they are not in
[1:11:45]
this list, they definitely won't come.
[1:11:49]
And after the guest
[1:11:50]
used the dryer
[1:11:51]
, Keys to Hope checks
[1:11:52]
lint filter.
[1:11:53]
You know, I...can't.
[1:11:55]
to say that
[1:11:55]
is happening. I...Keys to
[1:11:57]
Hope. I...I don't...We
[1:11:58]
we work with them. I am not
[1:11:59]
...I'm not on theirs
[1:12:00]
place...I...I'm too
[1:12:01]
I know theirs well.
[1:12:02]
protocol. Or
[1:12:03]
it would be correct
[1:12:04]
the statement that
[1:12:05]
interfaith
[1:12:05]
activity contributes
[1:12:06]
lifestyle,
[1:12:07]
including rest
[1:12:08]
, correct
[1:12:08]
food,
[1:12:09]
maintaining cleanliness?
[1:12:10]
Absolutely. Absolutely.
[1:12:14]
Regarding safety,
[1:12:15]
your activities
[1:12:16]
religious community...
[1:12:17]
Hmm, is that clear?
[1:12:18]
installed
[1:12:19]
behavior that
[1:12:20]
prohibits the use
[1:12:21]
alcohol and
[1:12:22]
drugs?
[1:12:24]
Of course.
[1:12:25]
Is it threatening?
[1:12:26]
aggressive behavior,
[1:12:27]
directed against
[1:12:28]
other guests?
[1:12:29]
Absolutely.
[1:12:31]
And what guests are present?
[1:12:33]
at the establishment every night? Or
[1:12:34]
they are watching over them
[1:12:35]
volunteers or
[1:12:36]
control them?
[1:12:37]
We work all the time,
[1:12:39]
while we're there. We work as volunteers.
[1:12:41]
Hmm, even at night when
[1:12:42]
Everyone is sleeping, nothing is happening.
[1:12:44]
It
[1:12:45]
the hardest change. We
[1:12:46]
staffed
[1:12:47]
staff.
[1:12:49]
And is it provided?
[1:12:51]
moral
[1:12:51]
well-being through
[1:12:55]
rules and procedures
[1:12:56]
works that
[1:12:57]
prohibit certain
[1:12:58]
types of behavior and
[1:12:59]
substances?
[1:13:00]
Absolutely. Absolutely.
[1:13:02]
So, they can't
[1:13:03]
to carry
[1:13:03]
smuggling. We have
[1:13:04]
list of things that are
[1:13:05]
smuggling. We search them, and, uh,
[1:13:07]
if we believe that they
[1:13:09]
we can't have this, we
[1:13:10]
We're confiscating this. If
[1:13:11]
this is something that, in our opinion, may constitute
[1:13:13]
danger to our
[1:13:14]
guests, we keep
[1:13:15]
this is until next time
[1:13:16]
in the morning and return them
[1:13:17]
next day. We
[1:13:18]
necessarily
[1:13:19]
we provide
[1:13:20]
safe place.
[1:13:21]
And does it provide
[1:13:22]
certain level
[1:13:23]
your comfort
[1:13:24]
guests, providing
[1:13:25]
shelter above the roof and
[1:13:26]
protection from rain,
[1:13:27]
snow and bad weather
[1:13:28]
during the next
[1:13:29]
six months?
[1:13:30]
Absolutely. You never
[1:13:31]
didn't think 4 inches
[1:13:32]
the substrates are as follows
[1:13:33]
convenient. Hmm, what
[1:13:37]
concerns
[1:13:37]
general welfare
[1:13:39]
, is food provided
[1:13:40]
to your guests?
[1:13:41]
So, we get
[1:13:42]
donated meals.
[1:13:43]
We manage the so-called
[1:13:44]
heated kitchen.
[1:13:45]
So the food is for us
[1:13:46]
sacrifice. Perhaps,
[1:13:47]
we will have to them
[1:13:48]
to warm up, but,
[1:13:49]
most likely, they
[1:13:50]
are ready to serve.
[1:13:51]
Hmm, our volunteers
[1:13:52]
they know for sure, oh
[1:13:52]
What time are we?
[1:13:53]
serve our dinners.
[1:13:54]
They bring them
[1:13:55]
in time. We also
[1:13:56]
we provide them
[1:13:57]
breakfast. Sometimes
[1:13:58]
a light breakfast,
[1:13:59]
sometimes wonderful
[1:14:00]
breakfast. Uh, yes.
[1:14:01]
just like we usually do.
[1:14:05]
you think that
[1:14:06]
if provided
[1:14:07]
special permit
[1:14:08]
use, then
[1:14:09]
the petition is not
[1:14:10]
will hinder
[1:14:11]
orderly
[1:14:12]
development of neighboring
[1:14:13]
objects?
[1:14:14]
Definitely not.
[1:14:15]
Again
[1:14:17]
Well, we're already 17 years old.
[1:14:18]
We work in that church.
[1:14:19]
, and most people
[1:14:20]
can tell you,
[1:14:21]
that they probably
[1:14:22]
didn't even know about
[1:14:24]
our existence or
[1:14:25]
saw very little
[1:14:26]
activities, except
[1:14:27]
morning traffic entrance and
[1:14:28]
Entrance. Hmm, we definitely
[1:14:29]
held on
[1:14:30]
unnoticed. You are very
[1:14:32]
well remembered. Which
[1:14:33]
work schedule?
[1:14:34]
We say from 7:00 pm
[1:14:36]
until 7:00 am. Our
[1:14:38]
volunteers are coming
[1:14:39]
at 5:30 in the winter, so
[1:14:40]
start cooking
[1:14:41]
plot. It's hard to get through.
[1:14:43]
past people when they
[1:14:44]
standing at the door at
[1:14:45]
5:30 to go in. We can start
[1:14:47]
let them in a little
[1:14:48]
earlier, but we say
[1:14:49]
from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. This can
[1:14:50]
be from 6:00 to 7:00, but
[1:14:52]
in general, from 7:00 to 7:00 is
[1:14:53]
our work schedule,
[1:14:54]
full all the time
[1:14:55]
personnel. What
[1:14:57]
concerns
[1:14:59]
using
[1:15:00]
safe, withdrawn
[1:15:01]
from operation
[1:15:02]
territory. There are proper
[1:15:03]
utilities
[1:15:05]
and access roads that
[1:15:06]
leading from Ace Street
[1:15:08]
Y, and drainage, that's all.
[1:15:09]
Never on the territory
[1:15:10]
there were no problems with
[1:15:11]
drainage. We have
[1:15:12]
many roads around
[1:15:13]
of this building. On this
[1:15:14]
plot 26
[1:15:15]
parking spaces. THERE ARE
[1:15:16]
the alley that surrounds it.
[1:15:18]
Hmm, that's perfect. She
[1:15:20]
really well-equipped
[1:15:20]
for what we are looking for, and what are they
[1:15:22]
offer.
[1:15:23]
And most of your
[1:15:23]
guests probably won't
[1:15:24]
they go there by car
[1:15:26]
Most of them are not
[1:15:27]
are traveling. Only a handful.
[1:15:28]
And if this petition about
[1:15:30]
the deviation will be
[1:15:31]
satisfied, or
[1:15:34]
you will have some
[1:15:35]
support from
[1:15:36]
communities regarding
[1:15:37]
modernization,
[1:15:38]
improvement
[1:15:39]
plumbing and other
[1:15:40]
infrastructure
[1:15:41]
church?
[1:15:41]
This is what we are already working on.
[1:15:43]
we are working. We know,
[1:15:44]
that we are in this
[1:15:45]
The building is 17 years old.
[1:15:46]
We know that
[1:15:47]
need to be done with
[1:15:48]
this building. We know what the city
[1:15:50]
expects from us from
[1:15:50]
this building, and we strive
[1:15:52]
adhere to 100%.
[1:15:53]
We want
[1:15:53]
make sure that everyone
[1:15:55]
satisfied with what we do, and we believe,
[1:15:57]
that this is correct, and, uh
[1:15:58]
, absolutely. So
[1:15:59]
community of us
[1:16:00]
will support. We
[1:16:01]
are sure of this. Hmm,
[1:16:03]
we are sure that
[1:16:05]
construction
[1:16:05]
fundamentally strong
[1:16:07]
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
[1:16:09]
In fact, we had
[1:16:10]
engineer who does everything
[1:16:11]
looked around, and, uh, he
[1:16:12]
said everything was great,
[1:16:13]
ready to work.
[1:16:14]
It's amazing that they
[1:16:15]
did 100 years ago.
[1:16:17]
Do you also believe that on
[1:16:19]
there will be no street
[1:16:19]
traffic jams as a result
[1:16:21]
...
[1:16:21]
Absolutely not.
[1:16:32]
And you believe that if
[1:16:33]
permission will be granted for
[1:16:35]
special
[1:16:35]
use, then it
[1:16:37]
will meet the conditions
[1:16:38]
, set out in
[1:16:39]
provisions on
[1:16:40]
city zoning
[1:16:41]
Michigan City?
[1:16:42]
Absolutely. Because it is
[1:16:45]
will be public
[1:16:46]
center of institutional
[1:16:48]
type.
[1:16:48]
Of course. Yes, it is.
[1:16:50]
right.
[1:16:58]
And that's why you are here today.
[1:16:59]
in the evening ask for
[1:17:02]
special permit
[1:17:03]
using. It
[1:17:04]
right?
[1:17:05]
That's right.
[1:17:06]
And you have a presentation,
[1:17:07]
which one would you like
[1:17:08]
show, right?
[1:17:10]
So instead of
[1:17:11]
listen to me, everyone,
[1:17:11]
nobody wants me
[1:17:12]
listen. I ask
[1:17:13]
volunteers a whole
[1:17:14]
day. They want
[1:17:15]
Listen to me. We have
[1:17:16]
a short video when
[1:17:17]
we show it
[1:17:18]
churches, and we love
[1:17:19]
show it for
[1:17:20]
you to show who
[1:17:21]
we, what we are and what we are engaged. So, this is
[1:17:23]
three minutes of yours
[1:17:24]
time, and
[1:17:25]
then...Yes, in
[1:17:26]
there is only one of us
[1:17:27]
interrupt. Father
[1:17:28]
Heavenly.
[1:17:41]
Good evening, Father.
[1:17:42]
Your name and address?
[1:17:44]
Of course. My name is
[1:17:45]
Father Kevin Huber. Uh-huh
[1:17:47]
, 606 South Woodland-
[1:17:48]
Avenue, Michigan City.
[1:17:51]
Father Kevin, you
[1:17:52]
church pastor
[1:17:53]
Queen of All Saints.
[1:17:55]
Right.
[1:17:55]
And you
[1:17:57]
appointed
[1:17:57]
administrator
[1:17:58]
Church of Saint Mary
[1:18:00]
and the church of St.
[1:18:01]
Hearts. Is that correct?
[1:18:02]
Right.
[1:18:03]
And you are here today as
[1:18:04]
official
[1:18:05]
representative of Dasis
[1:18:06]
Gary. Is that correct?
[1:18:08]
Right.
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And Dacis Gary's position
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is that
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they will agree
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to hand over the building
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Sacred Heart Church
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interfaith
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community, provided that
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what this advice will provide
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special
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using.
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As far as I understand.
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Yes. We still can
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see.
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You must have
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the opportunity to see. You
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must have
[1:18:45]
the opportunity to see.
[1:18:46]
Yes, we can. AT,
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Nancy Bracken and
[1:19:00]
Dorothy Miller. They
[1:19:01]
saw people who
[1:19:02]
live on the streets.
[1:19:03]
They thought, "We
[1:19:04]
should do something about this
[1:19:05]
make". So they
[1:19:06]
created
[1:19:06]
Interfaith
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shelter for
[1:19:08]
men who
[1:19:09]
actually there is
[1:19:09]
PADS program, which
[1:19:10]
every night takes turns in
[1:19:11]
various basements
[1:19:12]
churches.
[1:19:12]
We will offer
[1:19:14]
eat food twice. We will offer them
[1:19:15]
dinner and a small
[1:19:16]
breakfast.
[1:19:17]
People become
[1:19:17]
homeless, and they
[1:19:18]
come out of this
[1:19:19]
situations. And this
[1:19:20]
applies not only to
[1:19:21]
people with mental
[1:19:22]
disorders or
[1:19:22]
dependencies. It
[1:19:23]
people they are
[1:19:24]
pay alimony.
[1:19:26]
They lose.
[1:19:27]
work. They don't have
[1:19:28]
no income. Some
[1:19:32]
had a bad time
[1:19:33]
paid work,
[1:19:34]
which did not allow them
[1:19:35]
to have a little one
[1:19:36]
apartment or
[1:19:37]
apartment in the area.
[1:19:40]
I met with
[1:19:41]
Interfaith two years ago. THERE ARE
[1:19:43]
-uh, I worked at
[1:19:44]
retail trade.
[1:19:45]
They received a letter.
[1:19:46]
from the corporation, in
[1:19:47]
who was informed,
[1:19:48]
what will they have to do
[1:19:49]
to release a lot
[1:19:50]
employees, and, on
[1:19:51]
Sorry, I wasn't there.
[1:19:52]
so long. So I was
[1:19:54]
at the lowest level.
[1:19:56]
We are actually
[1:19:57]
filling the void
[1:19:58]
, which is needed in
[1:19:59]
community. Uh, no.
[1:20:00]
emergency shelter
[1:20:01]
for men, and
[1:20:03]
also for women.
[1:20:05]
To advance
[1:20:06]
forward in life,
[1:20:07]
you need to have a base
[1:20:08]
activities, and people,
[1:20:09]
who live on the streets,
[1:20:10]
can't do anything
[1:20:11]
make. And that's why
[1:20:14]
it is important to have
[1:20:15]
shelter.
[1:20:15]
I knew that mine
[1:20:16]
the situation will be
[1:20:17]
temporary. It's simple.
[1:20:19]
a temporary thing. You know
[1:20:20]
, I know I can't
[1:20:21]
let me do this
[1:20:22]
upset.
[1:20:23]
They feel that
[1:20:24]
can come and
[1:20:25]
to talk to someone,
[1:20:26]
to open up to someone, and
[1:20:27]
this person can eat
[1:20:28]
help.
[1:20:30]
While I was a participant
[1:20:31]
programs moved
[1:20:33]
persons, uh, Army
[1:20:34]
Salvation for that time
[1:20:35]
lost several
[1:20:36]
their employees
[1:20:37]
who worked in
[1:20:38]
night shelter.
[1:20:42]
They came to me.
[1:20:43]
and asked whether
[1:20:44]
I am against working for
[1:20:45]
them. I tell everyone: no
[1:20:48]
Be afraid to take it.
[1:20:49]
If you feel
[1:20:51]
need to contact
[1:20:53]
to interfaith
[1:20:54]
community, please
[1:20:55]
, please contact me, because this
[1:20:56]
will be, um, one of
[1:20:57]
the best steps that
[1:20:58]
you can do.
[1:20:59]
Constant struggle—
[1:21:00]
it is a struggle to
[1:21:01]
find volunteers,
[1:21:02]
who are ready
[1:21:02]
dedicate a few
[1:21:03]
hours per week. AND
[1:21:04]
actually volunteers
[1:21:05]
get from this
[1:21:06]
much more than
[1:21:07]
they suspected,
[1:21:08]
when they started, so
[1:21:09]
that there are men who
[1:21:10]
rely on you,
[1:21:12]
and now it's up to you
[1:21:12]
will rely
[1:21:13]
men and women.
[1:21:14]
If I had to do it again, I would
[1:21:16]
did it without hesitation.
[1:21:18]
I had so much fun.
[1:21:19]
I am so much
[1:21:20]
learned. This is for
[1:21:23]
everyone. If you can
[1:21:25]
become a volunteer
[1:21:27]
just one evening at
[1:21:28]
month, it's worth it.
[1:21:29]
It's about
[1:21:30]
give honor,
[1:21:31]
you know, and that's why I think that everyone
[1:21:33]
should become
[1:21:34]
volunteer. Don't do it.
[1:21:35]
this and sacrifice.
[1:21:36]
If you can
[1:21:37]
sacrifice,
[1:21:38]
donate.
[1:21:38]
They can
[1:21:39]
donate to us
[1:21:40]
goods. We have
[1:21:40]
huge list
[1:21:41]
necessary things that
[1:21:42]
we usually buy,
[1:21:43]
that is, things that you, can probably find
[1:21:45]
in my pantry at home.
[1:21:46]
They can
[1:21:46]
donate to us
[1:21:47]
funds. Of course,
[1:21:48]
public program
[1:21:50]
gaskets now
[1:21:51]
developed, and
[1:21:51]
Harrison is great.
[1:21:52]
works because it
[1:21:53]
leads us to
[1:21:54]
501c3 position as
[1:21:55]
corporation so that we
[1:21:56]
could accept
[1:21:57]
more donations. I see the difference in
[1:21:59]
community. I feel
[1:22:01]
what's happening
[1:22:02]
difference, and I feel it,
[1:22:04]
that in time she will be
[1:22:05]
even bigger. In the community
[1:22:08]
there will always be a need for
[1:22:09]
emergency shelter.
[1:22:11]
Uh, regardless of
[1:22:12]
whether it's 30 people on
[1:22:13]
night, or four people
[1:22:14]
for the night, we would like
[1:22:15]
to have permanent places
[1:22:16]
for men and for
[1:22:18]
women. Move
[1:22:19]
him in some way
[1:22:19]
temporary housing or
[1:22:20]
something like that, but you know,
[1:22:22]
we are going
[1:22:22]
to hang a curtain from a horse
[1:22:24]
here. Now we have
[1:22:25]
simply extraordinary
[1:22:26]
situation.