Middlesex Selectboard - September 15, 2026 [MSB]

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[0:13] Welcome to
[0:15] Tuesday, September 15,
[0:17] Council meeting
[0:18] voters of the middle class
[0:19] gender. Kind regards
[0:20] We invite guests to
[0:21] audience. Um, we announce the meeting
[0:25] at 5:01 p.m. Hello, Larry. IN
[0:27] we have Larry online. AND
[0:29] we have several people
[0:30] online. And for those who
[0:32] interested
[0:33] to speak, simply, uh
[0:34] , make sure you
[0:35] Say your name, huh?
[0:36] -eh, and raise yours,
[0:38] uh, virtual hand
[0:39] or your hand here. AND
[0:40] we will try to follow
[0:41] behind you, if you have
[0:42] questions will arise.
[0:43] Um, so our first
[0:45] task - to congratulate
[0:46] and present
[0:47] our new
[0:48] urban
[0:48] administrator,
[0:49] Liam Abeit. So we
[0:51] very excited.
[0:52] Liam, you started it.
[0:54] yesterday.
[0:56] Hello everyone.
[0:57] Yes. And why would you?
[0:58] just don't tell
[1:00] we have two seconds
[1:01] who are you, where are you from?
[1:02] Um, yes, I started.
[1:03] to work as a city worker
[1:04] administrator
[1:05] yesterday. I have
[1:06] four years of experience
[1:07] regional work
[1:08] planner in
[1:08] Northeastern
[1:09] Kingdom, and I
[1:10] Glad to be here.
[1:10] Perfectly.
[1:11] Incredible.
[1:12] Thank you. Thank you very much and
[1:13] Welcome. Ahem,
[1:15] so, we are going
[1:16] approve the protocol
[1:18] regular meeting
[1:19] board from 1
[1:20] September 2026. Ahem,
[1:22] is there a proposal for
[1:23] approval
[1:24] protocol for 1
[1:25] September? I contribute
[1:26] proposal.
[1:27] Zara's offer. THERE ARE
[1:28] offer?
[1:30] And Stacey's suggestion.
[1:31] Everyone who supports
[1:32] approval
[1:33] protocol for 1
[1:34] September, they say...
[1:35] I...
[1:37] OK. Eyes not yet
[1:38] saw. Hmm, here we go.
[1:40] approval of the order
[1:41] daytime on
[1:42] today, 15
[1:43] September 2026. AND
[1:45] consideration of any
[1:46] amendments to the order
[1:47] daytime. Are there any
[1:48] amendments to the order
[1:49] daytime? I think
[1:52] just like
[1:53] reminder, we
[1:53] Let's write this down in our notes.
[1:55] in the correspondence section,
[1:56] to discuss, um,
[1:57] email from
[1:58] Elliott about tennis
[1:59] courts and what we know approximately about
[2:02] tennis courts.
[2:03] Yes.
[2:04] Um, I got it too
[2:05] today electronic
[2:06] letters that I even
[2:07] didn't look, um, they
[2:09] regarding the update
[2:10] regarding the.org migration
[2:11] on gov. So we can
[2:13] just quickly
[2:13] view them and
[2:14] look at them
[2:15] also. Hmm, is there
[2:16] proposal regarding
[2:17] approval of the order
[2:18] daytime on September 15?
[2:19] All offer. Sarah
[2:21] walks. Any second thoughts?
[2:22] Everyone second thoughts.
[2:23] And Paul second opinion. All
[2:25] Those who are "for" say "I do."
[2:27] I.
[2:27] OK. The eyes have it.
[2:29] OK. So, we
[2:32] received a report on
[2:33] highway condition
[2:35] from Eric, um, yes
[2:36] FEMA update from Zara
[2:37] , as well as any
[2:38] update on
[2:40] ANR directives. So,
[2:43] Eric, take it.
[2:44] Of course. So, uh, in
[2:46] mainly we
[2:47] finished, uh, the farm
[2:49] Daniel. Uh, done.
[2:51] there are some grooves and
[2:52] coating restoration
[2:53] last week. Uh, in
[2:55] I had a meeting with, uh
[2:57] -uh, by Jordan with, uh,
[3:02] Fitzgerald and, uh
[3:04] , designers
[3:05] Geotech for the old
[3:06] project. Uh, we
[3:09] finally decided,
[3:10] uh, they had a lot
[3:12] different options
[3:13] projects with which
[3:14] they had
[3:14] concern. So we
[3:15] finally decided
[3:17] with the final
[3:17] a project that
[3:18] will include some
[3:19] nails to the ground. Uh,
[3:21] soil of what?
[3:22] Ground nails. On
[3:23] essentially, gigantic
[3:24] rods into the ground to
[3:25] help keep
[3:26] soil from collapse.
[3:27] O. E-
[3:28] er, and small, er,
[3:29] block wall closer
[3:31] to the top, uh, through
[3:32] The slope, it's so beautiful. THERE ARE-
[3:36] uh, so these final
[3:37] projects will be
[3:38] ready by the end of the week
[3:39] . Um, they still are.
[3:41] preparing for
[3:42] construction in
[3:42] mid-October.
[3:45] Also at the same time
[3:46] working on the farm
[3:48] Daniel.
[3:49] Okay, Daniel.
[3:54] Perfectly.
[3:57] Okay, FEMA.
[3:58] Regarding FEMA, our
[3:59] state representative and,
[4:00] uh, federal
[4:01] representative were in
[4:02] on vacation, so in
[4:03] I have no updates.
[4:04] from FEMA because we don't
[4:05] met one and a half
[4:07] weeks.
[4:07] Good. Uh, and work with
[4:10] Colbert box,
[4:11] repair work.
[4:13] Any updates on
[4:14] this? Uh, we have more.
[4:16] something to work with, uh,
[4:17] edited by Rachel.
[4:19] Good. We hope
[4:21] we will make it
[4:22] to do to
[4:23] snowfall?
[4:24] Yes. Good. Uh, okay.
[4:27] I think we have some
[4:28] question to the city
[4:29] regarding roads or FEMA? Therefore
[4:35] , this year
[4:36] we are finishing
[4:36] farm construction
[4:37] Daniel at Old Brook, a
[4:38] next year we will do
[4:39] in French and
[4:40] bulldog farms
[4:41] . Good. Uh,
[4:44] and I'll just add, uh,
[4:46] as a continuation of, uh
[4:47] , the last
[4:48] council meeting
[4:49] directors when we
[4:50] talked about, uh
[4:51] invoices and
[4:52] engineer's drawing-
[4:54] consultant from Novaya
[4:55] England. Um, Zara and I,
[5:01] Eric and Liam
[5:02] met today
[5:03] during the day, so that
[5:09] to review, uh,
[5:10] invoices and
[5:11] drawings, and we
[5:12] determined what was
[5:13] four drawings that
[5:15] were acceptable, uh,
[5:16] for which they received
[5:17] permission, uh, to
[5:18] work done. Um,
[5:25] so I replied, uh,
[5:26] Nick from New England Consulting
[5:27] Engineer and sent him
[5:29] four drawings
[5:30] along with the bills-
[5:31] invoices that we
[5:33] sent first. AND
[5:37] I said that, uh, we
[5:39] are willing to pay these
[5:40] four bills-
[5:41] invoices, and whether he
[5:42] will recycle, that is, these
[5:43] four, uh, drawings
[5:45] , and will he recycle
[5:46] invoices to reflect intelligently
[5:49] price for four
[5:50] drawing? Um, so,
[5:51] I hope we will receive from him
[5:53] the answer, and we
[5:54] Let's just do it.
[5:57] and we will move on.
[5:59] Um, so we'll see. Yes.
[6:01] For context,
[6:02] the invoice was
[6:03] on the number
[6:04] similar drawings?
[6:05] Well, it was, uh, so in
[6:07] invoices
[6:10] nothing really
[6:11] it was said. There
[6:12] it was simply written
[6:13] "hidden".
[6:14] How much product
[6:15] they sent us and
[6:16] what is the cost
[6:17] product, we say,
[6:18] what we really are
[6:19] do we benefit? Ahem,
[6:21] it's a little more complicated,
[6:22] because he first
[6:23] sent us two
[6:24] accounts in which
[6:25] were actually
[6:26] specified
[6:26] culverts.
[6:28] Yes.
[6:28] No, no numbers or
[6:29] something like that. 44,900
[6:31] , and then the second
[6:32] account, where also
[6:33] it was stated
[6:34] culverts
[6:36] for 9,000. I asked them
[6:37] give a breakdown. IN
[6:39] the breakdown was
[6:40] generally something on
[6:41] like 107,000, but there were percentages
[6:43] completed work. So
[6:47] it was not for
[6:47] hidden amount, and
[6:49] according to the positions that
[6:50] would happen if there was
[6:51] contract used
[6:52] . And since
[6:54] there was no contract, and
[6:55] some of the things that are here,
[6:56] actually weren't
[6:58] completed.
[6:59] Ahem,
[6:59] but let's say this, um, I think that's not quite it.
[7:02] yes, I didn't put that
[7:04] question to the best
[7:05] in a way. For example,
[7:06] they gave us, apparently,
[7:08] 10 projects, 20
[7:09] projects? If there is, then
[7:11] they gave us six.
[7:13] So, if we divide
[7:14] total volume
[7:15] work for six, and they say we pay
[7:18] for four out of six, or
[7:19] it is more difficult,
[7:21] because they build us,
[7:21] as you can see in
[7:22] this list, there are a bunch
[7:23] things for which they
[7:24] build us, and which
[7:25] they never did
[7:26] , as in
[7:26] pre-construction
[7:27] meetings.
[7:28] Of course. Of course.
[7:29] Um, and so on, and
[7:30] designing
[7:31] hidden rooms
[7:32] , which were not, they already are
[7:33] were designed
[7:34] by us.
[7:35] Good. I would just
[7:37] asked if they didn't
[7:38] perceive
[7:39] offer from
[7:40] outstretched
[7:41] hugs, rainbows
[7:42] and the sun, what are we talking about
[7:43] Rob was informed. I
[7:45] assured. But, uh, and
[7:46] I wrote to him in
[7:47] copies of electronic
[7:48] letter. I wrote to him.
[7:49] in a copy of the electronic
[7:51] a letter to all of us and to him.
[7:52] So you guys,
[7:53] copy this from
[7:54] Stacey.
[7:54] Yes. And I hope so. I really hope so.
[7:56] based on my
[7:57] conversations with him. I hope they will come up with something
[8:00] reasonable, why are we will be ready
[8:01] pay. And I said
[8:02] in an email,
[8:03] that we will consider it
[8:04] account on our
[8:05] next meeting.
[8:06] So we can, er, we won't just pay
[8:08] its based on the new
[8:10] account. We also
[8:11] we will consider
[8:11] bill. So, um,
[8:14] to be updated
[8:15] regarding this. Hmm, something
[8:18] yet? There are other questions.
[8:21] of...
[8:22] No. And I am happy
[8:23] I'll figure it out for you.
[8:24] more details offline,
[8:25] if you want.
[8:25] Yes, of course.
[8:27] Sorry. I am not
[8:28] reviewed my
[8:28] emails for
[8:29] the last few days.
[8:30] No. And I just sent
[8:31] it's literally like this:
[8:32] Yes, we just
[8:33] gathered for this.
[8:34] Good.
[8:35] So, um, we
[8:36] a little ahead
[8:37] schedule, but we are here
[8:38] equipment required.
[8:40] Hmm, gentlemen, isn't it?
[8:41] would you like
[8:42] share with us?
[8:46] Good. So, um,
[8:47] total number
[8:48] challenges this year
[8:50] is 68. Um, we have
[8:51] there were only three calls
[8:53] during this period. AT.
[8:54] Hmm, day off
[8:55] mutual aid was
[8:56] zero. Incoming
[8:57] mutual aid was
[8:58] zero. Our
[8:59] maximum
[8:59] number of responses
[9:00] There were four members.
[9:01] Our minimum, um,
[9:03] unfortunately, I got it mixed up
[9:04] their. Sorry. Our
[9:06] The maximum was, um,
[9:07] four. Our
[9:08] was minimal
[9:08] zero, and in
[9:09] average two. Ahem,
[9:10] one engine went out
[9:11] okay once. Engine
[9:13] the sixth one broke down
[9:14] zero times. Ahem,
[9:14] One tanker left.
[9:15] out of order zero times.
[9:16] Rescue machine
[9:17] zero is out of order
[9:18] times. Truck 14
[9:19] zero is out of order
[9:20] times. And we have
[9:21] four challenges
[9:21] personal
[9:22] transport. Uh, on
[9:23] number 820 with us
[9:24] worked
[9:25] alarm on
[9:26] route 2. At 8:23 we
[9:27] worked
[9:28] alarm on
[9:29] North Bear Road
[9:30] Swamp Road, and on 98th, e-
[9:31] Well, we had a good trip.
[9:33] - a traffic accident
[9:34] on route 2, uh, but
[9:35] the call was canceled,
[9:36] because of the actual
[9:38] There was no accident. Uh, in
[9:39] there were nine of us
[9:40] emergency calls
[9:41] departments, eight of
[9:42] which were only
[9:42] medical, and this
[9:43] we have passed the month
[9:44] updating
[9:45] briefing with
[9:46] fire hydrant.
[9:48] Perfectly. Uh, Sam and
[9:50] Brendan, you're here.
[9:51] to get acquainted with
[9:52] Liam, our new
[9:53] urban
[9:53] administrator?
[9:54] No.
[9:55] Good. Greetings. Greetings.
[9:56] So, uh, uh, that is
[9:58] Sam and Brendan
[9:58] working in our
[10:00] voluntary
[10:00] fire department, and, eh
[10:02] -eh, maybe you will someday
[10:03] visit the fire station
[10:04] part. Perhaps,
[10:05] any of you guys,
[10:07] I don't know if he wants to.
[10:07] guide him
[10:08] a tour or something
[10:09] similar.
[10:10] Yes. Yes.
[10:11] Uh, and just
[10:12] to introduce him to
[10:13] the world of firefighting
[10:15] . And maybe he is too
[10:16] wants to become
[10:16] voluntary
[10:17] firefighter. Liam,
[10:20] I won't be with you for now.
[10:21] to throw this.
[10:22] Good. Hmm, thank you,
[10:25] guys. Hmm, does anyone have one?
[10:28] question to
[10:29] fire department?
[10:32] Thank you. Thank you.
[10:34] I appreciate it. Um, we
[10:35] just moving
[10:37] further. Um, Mark again
[10:38] no.
[10:39] Matt will take over
[10:40] management.
[10:40] Oh, Matt will take over.
[10:42] management. Good. Ahem,
[10:44] he was going
[10:44] join or something
[10:45] like this? We shouldn't
[10:47] wait. Good. Therefore,
[10:48] hm, you have something for us
[10:49] sent, right?
[10:50] It's right here.
[10:51] I can do it. Yes
[10:53] . So
[10:53] I suggest to you,
[10:54] Guys, put
[10:55] question. We have
[10:56] four points that we
[10:57] would like to discuss with
[10:58] you. What I am
[10:59] sent, maybe
[10:59] one of the points on
[11:00] which we want
[11:01] concentrate, maybe
[11:02] and no. But
[11:02] good,
[11:03] from the point of view of what
[11:04] we hoped
[11:05] to discuss,
[11:05] let me
[11:06] outline four
[11:07] points.
[11:08] One of them is a sheet,
[11:09] which I was talking about, the capital plan,
[11:11] some big expenses,
[11:13] what do we have for the next
[11:14] 15 years. You know, we have
[11:15] there is enough ahead
[11:16] big bill. But
[11:18] apart from this,
[11:19] maybe we should
[11:20] start discussing,
[11:21] seems to be the past
[11:22] previous meeting
[11:23] we talked about whether
[11:24] should budget
[11:25] committee to take a bigger one
[11:26] participation in the process
[11:27] budgeting,
[11:28] to hold seminars
[11:29] and meetings with
[11:30] departments,
[11:31] considering that we already
[11:32] early
[11:33] budget season.
[11:35] If that's what he wants
[11:36] from us, the electoral council,
[11:37] we will need this
[11:38] to know and start
[11:39] act. Hmm, so I wanted to
[11:40] would start with further
[11:41] conversations, and then,
[11:42] after we are
[11:43] this will clarify, we can do more
[11:45] to talk about
[11:45] interesting topics,
[11:46] related to capital
[11:47] Good. So now you
[11:48] would like us to
[11:49] spent it
[11:50] discussion? I would
[11:51] said "yes".
[11:52] Yes. That is, you ask if it is possible
[11:55] budget committee
[11:56] to participate more in
[12:02] working with
[12:03] departments to
[12:04] present budgets
[12:05] or even
[12:06] prepare them for
[12:07] press presentations. AND
[12:11] just as historical
[12:12] Wait a minute, Liam.
[12:13] starting in October,
[12:14] we invite us
[12:16] to have such a schedule
[12:17] meetings of our
[12:18] electoral council. So,
[12:20] like, okay, we
[12:21] let's meet this
[12:22] Tuesday with the fire department
[12:24] service and, uh,
[12:25] committee on
[12:26] rest, right? AND
[12:28] they will come, they
[12:29] will be a point
[12:30] agenda for
[12:31] meeting of our
[12:32] elected council, and they
[12:33] present to us
[12:34] your budget, and it's not
[12:36] when we, you know, him
[12:37] Are we confirming something?
[12:38] like this. We just
[12:39] we listen and say: "
[12:40] Okay, that sounds...
[12:41] you know, okay", or in
[12:43] we may arise
[12:44] question. But then
[12:45] this money they gave us
[12:47] they say how they
[12:48] want to spend on
[12:49] articles, then
[12:50] are invested in
[12:50] bigger, larger
[12:51] city ​​budget. Um, so what?
[12:55] so budget
[12:56] committee, and then,
[12:57] at the end, after
[12:58] the way we have it,
[12:59] budget committee
[13:00] looks at these numbers and
[13:02] , uh, looking at things
[13:03] and finds out where we are
[13:04] we can reduce, and
[13:05] where we can add,
[13:07] or what we need
[13:08] to do with our
[13:09] budget. So they
[13:11] asking if they can
[13:12] they be more
[13:13] involved in this
[13:14] process? Um, I would too.
[13:17] said, of course,
[13:18] you know, I think that's
[13:19] it would be useful,
[13:23] and how do you imagine it?
[13:24] For example, whether
[13:25] Do you imagine that you
[13:26] meet them
[13:28] separately?
[13:28] Yes, I think we offer and what we
[13:30] discussed, this is what shall we start
[13:31] invite
[13:32] department heads
[13:33] to the meeting
[13:34] budget committee.
[13:35] We can
[13:35] plan more
[13:36] budget meetings
[13:37] committee so that we
[13:38] could catch them
[13:38] to spend earlier. We
[13:39] also probably
[13:40] we will spend more
[13:41] seminars on
[13:42] the coverage we
[13:43] let's discuss so that we
[13:44] could spend some
[13:46] the conversations we had
[13:47] this year from certain
[13:48] topics as early as possible.
[13:50] Good,
[13:51] perfectly.
[13:55] And then, uh, what's yours?
[13:56] vision, uh, meetings
[13:58] elected council and our
[13:59] past, uh, role in
[14:00] listening to these
[14:02] committees and
[14:03] meetings with
[14:03] committees? I think
[14:07] that the elected members of the council,
[14:08] obviously,
[14:09] are invited to any
[14:10] what sessions, what we are conducting. We must
[14:12] provide updated
[14:13] information, I think,
[14:14] after each session,
[14:15] which we then
[14:16] regular
[14:17] we will send you in writing. You
[14:19] we don't need to
[14:20] performed, but we will provide it.
[14:22] Good. And then
[14:25] budget committee,
[14:26] probably,
[14:27] present to us
[14:32] actual budget,
[14:33] which one will we sit down next?
[14:34] and consider how
[14:35] elected council. Yes, I am.
[14:36] I think we will try.
[14:37] do it as much as possible
[14:38] faster, but partly
[14:39] this will be a conversation with
[14:40] all leaders
[14:41] departments and
[14:42] as soon as possible this
[14:43] let's find out whether
[14:44] wrong? This is probably
[14:45] will be earlier than in
[14:46] January. Yes, because
[14:47] publishing and
[14:49] all that.
[14:49] Yes, because the book
[14:50] it turns out.
[14:51] Yes. And we need,
[14:53] so that she gets in
[14:54] to the printing house to
[14:56] end of January. Yes.
[14:58] Good. Um,
[15:00] I also think that we
[15:01] let's meet with
[15:02] election commissions,
[15:03] if they have any.
[15:06] Um, I don't know if Liam
[15:07] will bring this up for consideration.
[15:10] He will try to be
[15:11] present at all
[15:12] budget meetings
[15:14] , but, uh, do you have
[15:15] any plans for that?
[15:16] what would you like
[15:17] see in the budget? Or
[15:20] Do we want this? Or
[15:21] Do we want that? What are you
[15:23] eagerly
[15:24] waiting for something
[15:25] similar. However, if
[15:27] you change the way,
[15:28] what will we be
[15:29] to assign personnel
[15:31] that was the main thing
[15:32] a matter of the past
[15:33] the year when it was
[15:34] added at the end. So,
[15:36] Okay, I predict,
[15:37] that this will also be
[15:38] meeting with the election commission
[15:40] by commission. They had
[15:41] something is okay
[15:42] daytime, about what
[15:43] We don't know.
[15:45] Good. List of everything,
[15:46] what do we need,
[15:47] for example, a bridge
[15:48] Woodrow, what are we doing?
[15:49] maybe we can
[15:50] find a grant, but what,
[15:51] if not?
[15:52] Good. So, these are the ones
[15:53] things that
[15:53] will be useful
[15:54] to the budget committee.
[15:57] So I'm wondering if there is
[15:58] committee on
[15:59] good group of roads
[16:00] for a meeting with
[16:01] budget committee?
[16:02] Yes, I think we should.
[16:03] at least it is necessary
[16:04] to invite. Hey, you have
[16:06] there is an answer to this
[16:07] question? I think that
[16:08] if the committee on
[16:09] The road answered "yes",
[16:10] That's okay.
[16:10] I mean, this is
[16:11] main event, who
[16:13] We will know about all this. Em
[16:14] , I don't know if it has
[16:15] to be a matter for the committee
[16:16] on road issues, but,
[16:17] of course, Eric has
[16:18] sit down with the budget
[16:19] committee, and I will...and
[16:20] I'll go with Eric as
[16:21] chairman of the committee on
[16:22] road issues,
[16:23] Yes? Because another thing,
[16:25] about which we also
[16:26] need to talk,
[16:27] It almost sounds like this,
[16:28] like it's Liam or Liam,
[16:29] and someone from the council
[16:30] directors will come
[16:31] especially for the evening
[16:33] council meeting
[16:33] directors. Yes.
[16:35] Because we need
[16:36] will talk about
[16:37] circle and
[16:38] absolutely everything like that.
[16:40] Yes. I don't think we can take all your
[16:42] work, but we want
[16:42] take as much as possible
[16:43] previous work.
[16:44] Of course.
[16:45] Yes. Please,
[16:48] if you could just
[16:50] give us five things,
[16:51] and we could.
[16:54] Um, if you need
[16:55] suggestion, I would make
[16:56] a proposal that
[16:57] so that the budget
[16:58] the committee expanded
[16:59] my, uh, sphere
[17:00] activities to
[17:01] embrace it.
[17:01] Yes, that sounds right.
[17:02] fun.
[17:03] Of course.
[17:03] Indeed, I think that
[17:04] we just...
[17:05] Yes, I don't think we should.
[17:05] need...I don't think so
[17:06] what do we need
[17:07] vote on this
[17:07] reason. I think
[17:08] we didn't want the council
[17:09] state
[17:09] management shouted
[17:10] on us.
[17:10] Yes. Like you
[17:11] Are you doing? This was ours.
[17:12] work. You took this.
[17:13] with us.
[17:13] What do you think, guys?
[17:15] with this.
[17:15] Um, yes, I agree. IN
[17:17] I had a question.
[17:18] regarding the survey, which
[17:19] is that okay with you
[17:20] daytime.
[17:21] Yes.
[17:21] Hmm, so what are your plans?
[17:23] on this?
[17:24] Good. So, if
[17:25] you can go back to
[17:25] that I...it seems,
[17:26] I sent...I
[17:27] sent
[17:27] email
[17:28] today, and probably
[17:29] no one had time
[17:30] look at this, but
[17:31] each of you must
[17:32] have it under your back
[17:33] this
[17:33] thing.
[17:33] Yes. Yes. This
[17:34] double-sided sheet.
[17:36] So that everyone is on
[17:37] one wave.
[17:40] I don't know how it is.
[17:44] to name.
[17:46] I think I'm out of
[17:47] home. On high
[17:50] levels, during
[17:51] the last two or
[17:52] three meetings
[17:53] budget committee,
[17:54] one of the topics we
[17:56] discussed, was that
[17:57] how we finance
[17:58] large assets and things
[17:59] , which we, we, you know, whether
[18:01] then road
[18:02] trucks, fire trucks
[18:03] cars, um, all kinds
[18:04] assets that are simply
[18:05] need to be done regularly
[18:06] update. What is certain?
[18:09] way emphasized on
[18:10] the first diagram, yes
[18:11] this is what during
[18:13] the next 15 years for us
[18:14] need to spend
[18:15] about 5.9 million
[18:17] on these various assets. Ahem
[18:18] , only the next one
[18:19] year, if we
[18:20] adhered to
[18:21] the graphics we have
[18:22] in our inventory
[18:24] capital assets,
[18:25] which includes the fire department
[18:26] car and some others
[18:27] assets, we need
[18:29] would be to spend 1.44
[18:30] a million dollars, that,
[18:31] uh, now, everyone
[18:32] our funds with us
[18:33] only 340 thousand; ago
[18:35] for this
[18:35] will require considerable
[18:36] number of loans. To
[18:38] things I don't
[18:39] I want to spend now.
[18:40] too much time, that's what
[18:41] that it seems to us not
[18:42] need to repeat
[18:43] , or maybe we don't
[18:44] need to be replaced
[18:45] a fire engine, and this
[18:46] the conversation we had
[18:47] need to lead with
[18:48] fire. So some of
[18:49] those that are marked
[18:50] next year,
[18:51] may not be
[18:52] next year. They
[18:53] may be in three
[18:54] years. They can
[18:55] be any. But
[18:56] let's leave it
[18:57] aside some
[18:58] question. Uh, because there is
[19:00] 5.9 million dollars,
[19:01] which, I am sure,
[19:02] will be spent
[19:03] within the next 15
[19:05] years. This does not include
[19:06] city ​​garage, city
[19:09] town hall or something, about
[19:11] what we don't have
[19:12] exact numbers. It
[19:13] simply assets that
[19:14] there are us, like ours
[19:16] trucks and everything
[19:17] something else that arises. It
[19:19] quite big
[19:20] score. Uh, now,
[19:23] if excluded
[19:23] interest on debts for
[19:25] floods and payments for
[19:26] loans, I think that
[19:27] about six
[19:28] percent of our
[19:29] of the budget will go to
[19:30] interest payments. It
[19:33] True. In context
[19:34] that the Bank
[19:35] Vermont bonds
[19:36] recommends that cities
[19:37] such as, not
[19:38] exceed this amount.
[19:40] And so, now we have
[19:41] question: can we
[19:42] continue as is, and
[19:43] can we
[19:44] continue that
[19:45] will have consequences for
[19:47] percent. And if we
[19:49] Let's turn this around, I
[19:50] made a breakdown,
[19:51] modeled on
[19:52] based on these 15 years
[19:53] down. We can
[19:54] borrow only 4.5
[19:55] a million dollars.
[19:57] In the end we will pay
[19:58] 1.1 million percent
[19:59] . We can borrow
[20:00] 2.9 billion dollars,
[20:01] that is 100 thousand
[20:02] percent. We have
[20:03] several different
[20:04] options for that
[20:05] How much will we start?
[20:06] increase our
[20:07] taxes now, so
[20:08] they went to ours
[20:09] capital funds,
[20:10] so that we either borrow
[20:11] more or less. Uh,
[20:13] and so it seems that this
[20:14] the big question is,
[20:15] will affect tax
[20:17] everyone's obligation
[20:18] a city dweller as
[20:19] next year, yes
[20:20] and after 10 years. Um, we
[20:23] wanted to
[20:23] the discussion was
[20:25] like this: we wanted to
[20:26] you spent
[20:27] survey to get a certain
[20:28] information and
[20:29] understand what they think
[20:31] people about to keep one's own
[20:33] tax expenses
[20:34] as long as possible, for
[20:35] unlike that
[20:36] pay more to
[20:37] avoid paying
[20:38] percent, and so on
[20:40] ...here
[20:40] my short
[20:41] story about
[20:42] conversation. Stacy, I don't
[20:43] I know if I answered.
[20:44] to your question. Ahem,
[20:46] but that was the introduction
[20:47] the word I wanted
[20:48] hear before we
[20:49] moved to
[20:49] poll. Of
[20:50] survey details,
[20:51] the budget committee still
[20:52] undecided about
[20:53] to say: "This is the one
[20:54] survey option,
[20:56] which we want." On
[20:57] our meeting
[20:57] earlier today we
[20:59] discussed that two of
[21:00] we will be united by our
[21:01] thoughts and will move on to
[21:02] of a different form. There are some
[21:03] reviews about what is in
[21:04] ideals we want to have
[21:05] a few basic
[21:06] questions, two or
[21:07] very short chapters,
[21:08] to get as much as possible
[21:09] more reviews, but
[21:11] then probably have
[21:12] some more content that
[21:13] is in some of these
[21:14] questions like
[21:14] additional things, to
[21:15] which people are increasing
[21:16] your knowledge. Because
[21:18] we suspect that
[21:19] there will be letters, different
[21:20] equal percentages, and
[21:21] some expenses for
[21:22] loans that have
[21:23] cities, can be
[21:24] a surprise for
[21:25] news, so you want
[21:26] structure them so that we can get
[21:28] answers to
[21:29] questions that we put, and also
[21:31] to provide more for...this
[21:35] it was a long time, it was
[21:36] many words for me,
[21:38] but it's a certain feeling
[21:39] how budgetary
[21:40] the committee is thinking about this
[21:41] problem
[21:41] capital
[21:42] financing and how
[21:43] receive a contribution from
[21:44] cities. We would like
[21:46] to invite, I think,
[21:47] less, we are interested in
[21:49] feedback on issues
[21:50] survey, but we also want
[21:52] understand what he is thinking
[21:53] election commission about
[21:54] conducting such
[21:55] kind of survey. AND
[21:56] when we talk about
[21:57] survey coverage
[21:58] , this is really important,
[21:59] and getting as much as possible
[22:00] more quantity
[22:01] responses from
[22:02] as much as possible
[22:03] number of different
[22:04] people is very important. THERE ARE-
[22:05] e, mailing list
[22:06] would be ideal. You
[22:07] send this
[22:08] to every voter in
[22:09] city, you get
[22:10] answer, then no
[22:11] there are questions about
[22:12] who can get up to
[22:13] this access.
[22:13] It is obvious that for
[22:14] some people online
[22:15] easier. I think we
[22:17] happy to do it. But
[22:18] if we did this
[22:19] online only, occurs
[22:20] question, how are any of them
[22:21] is leaving. Therefore,
[22:22] if you send this
[22:23] by mail, you need
[22:24] send this
[22:25] in about an hour and a half
[22:26] a month before you
[22:26] do you want them to do this
[22:27] received.
[22:30] And I only have a quick one
[22:31] questions about
[22:32] interest rates. You know what we
[22:35] return interest
[22:37] for the flood of 2023. We
[22:39] already received checks for
[22:40] it's by mail. And the only one
[22:41] the reason why we don't
[22:43] paid for 4810 for 2024
[22:44] year, is that
[22:46] what do we need
[22:47] to repair more roads. So in
[22:51] it has a number, I don't
[22:52] I know how much we
[22:53] took out loans now.
[22:55] But you are talking about
[22:56] future. You are not
[22:58] rule this out, I think, except, perhaps,
[23:00] interest payments
[23:01] for the next year or
[23:02] two where we have "
[23:03] OK".
[23:04] So this month 5.9 is not
[23:05] has nothing in common
[23:07] with "
[23:07] OK". Just wanted to make sure that, on
[23:11] my opinion,
[23:12] the most important thing is that
[23:13] need to be conveyed to
[23:14] people, this is an opportunity
[23:15] to convey interest in
[23:16] short-term
[23:17] stay
[23:18] compared with
[23:19] long-term
[23:20] a larger payout,
[23:21] because, in my opinion,
[23:22] everyone who sees this
[23:23] in front of you, maybe
[23:24] to see this
[23:25] correlation. So for
[23:28] This is huge for me.
[23:29] advantage. We would like
[23:30] reduce our annual
[23:31] budget. How many of us
[23:32] we save in the future, or what
[23:34] is this the cost?
[23:35] I think it's complicated.
[23:36] question. Yes,
[23:37] we know what we will hear
[23:39] from people in the city who
[23:40] , perhaps not planning to live here for a long time, or,
[23:42] maybe they just
[23:43] think that they already
[23:44] paid for all this and
[23:46] don't want to pay for
[23:47] all this in advance.
[23:48] So this is one of the really
[23:49] important reasons why
[23:50] we want to spend
[23:51] survey, is
[23:52] understand whether everyone
[23:53] agree, and whether
[23:54] we really don't
[23:55] need a lot
[23:56] to worry about it,
[23:57] are there more topics for
[23:58] discussion.
[23:59] Well, and I think that now
[24:00] there is also concern
[24:01] regarding interest
[24:02] pond, right?
[24:03] Bond market
[24:04] quite volatile, and
[24:05] then loans, you know,
[24:06] loan rate
[24:07] for banks.
[24:08] We talked about this with
[24:09] many people, and we believe that this
[24:11] conservative, but,
[24:12] probably,
[24:13] conservative estimates
[24:14] , taking into account everything in today's dollars
[24:16] , I think it's great. Yes.
[24:21] I mean that
[24:22] public
[24:23] the publication of this,
[24:24] well, you know, any
[24:26] means, I have
[24:27] mind you, I think that
[24:28] mailing list
[24:29] wonderful only because
[24:31] it involves everyone. It
[24:33] involves everyone
[24:34] much more.
[24:36] The cost in the end
[24:38] is growing, and
[24:39] I think that if we
[24:39] made a postal
[24:40] mailing list, then perhaps
[24:41] we could add
[24:42] more information,
[24:43] for example, about our
[24:44] new addresses
[24:45] email,
[24:46] or about some others
[24:47] the main things we want you to know
[24:48] the wider community, we
[24:49] could just go to them
[24:51] add.
[24:51] And I think if you,
[24:52] guys, open to
[24:53] this, if there are others
[24:54] options
[24:54] use, I think
[24:55] that is worth thinking about
[24:56] which one is correct
[24:57] the way we want
[24:58] begin? We can
[24:59] somehow add
[25:00] poll. But, one
[25:01] of things that I also
[25:02] I would like to avoid this.
[25:03] what I don't know about
[25:04] what others think
[25:05] committees on
[25:05] meetings, gatherings
[25:06] reviews. We are not
[25:07] we want the city
[25:08] sent 20
[25:09] surveys. So,
[25:10] just make sure
[25:11] that there is some kind of serum
[25:12] if we do this,
[25:13] to contact
[25:15] people, make sure
[25:16] that it is connected with everything
[25:17] to others, that I...therefore, I think the question is,
[25:25] which one I would like
[25:25] get an answer,
[25:27] if it's okay,
[25:28] is: Can
[25:29] Special date advice
[25:30] we have an idea about your
[25:31] objection to
[25:32] poll? I think
[25:33] what is our process
[25:34] the thinking was
[25:35] so that two members
[25:36] the councils united
[25:37] around the project. We will hold a meeting
[25:39] budget committee,
[25:39] to say that everyone
[25:40] to members of the budget
[25:41] the committee likes it
[25:42] this project. Then we
[25:43] Let's share it with you.
[25:44] . I think we are a perfect match
[25:46] to the process, and yet you,
[25:47] guys, it seems
[25:48] we agree to
[25:49] open meeting
[25:50] and decide how to do it
[25:51] send out. What
[25:51] related to logistics
[25:53] , I believe that
[25:53] logistics here
[25:54] important. There is a separate
[25:55] question by mail, which I
[25:56] I'll leave it to you guys. Or
[25:57] The city is ready for this.
[25:58] pay from the point
[25:59] from the perspective of the workforce? We can become
[26:01] volunteers. I will do it.
[26:03] everything necessary for this
[26:04] happened. Another question
[26:06] : November 5, if
[26:07] we could, perhaps,
[26:08] should have
[26:09] survey when people
[26:10] they will come, this is another one
[26:12] a platform for
[26:13] so that people know about it,
[26:14] what could be good
[26:15] a goal that can be achieved
[26:16] strive.
[26:17] So, I think that's what scares the cycle? Well,
[26:21] at least for me,
[26:22] one of the common
[26:24] the topics we heard
[26:25] last year, was
[26:26] transparency, right?
[26:27] And this is very common.
[26:28] term, but
[26:29] transparency and how we make these decisions
[26:32] as a group. So for me
[26:34] it's like this: if people or
[26:35] worried, or
[26:36] want to have more
[26:37] information about this,
[26:38] quote, transparency and
[26:40] the direction in which we move, then this
[26:42] Now is your chance. And we can only
[26:44] to impose this on people
[26:45] possibility so much
[26:47] as far as we
[26:48] physically able. And I would
[26:49] said that on this day
[26:50] this moment
[26:51] most comprehensive
[26:52] the way we can do it.
[26:56] So I support everything,
[26:58] What will you guys do?
[26:59] together to make it happen
[27:00] people have the opportunity to
[27:01] make. Yes. Because
[27:05] I think it will be
[27:06] important, and I think that
[27:07] people will hear their
[27:08] thoughts, they will have
[27:10] a small contribution,
[27:11] you know. Yes. Um, I would too.
[27:16] also said that
[27:17] people's attention level
[27:18] extremely low,
[27:20] therefore in this
[27:20] the survey you
[27:22] spent, many words.
[27:26] Yes.
[27:26] And we talked about
[27:27] how to simplify it.
[27:28] So, I think that one
[27:29] from the tricks on which
[27:30] we will focus on
[27:31] reviews that we
[27:32] they said it would be,
[27:33] probably two or three
[27:34] questions, these are: "
[27:35] Learn about
[27:36] survey that we
[27:37] "We ask you," and then,
[27:38] if you are interested
[27:39] respond to
[27:39] additional questions
[27:40] or do you want to read
[27:41] more, there will be something on
[27:42] like a continuation,
[27:43] but it has to be
[27:44] page of two
[27:46] questions.
[27:48] Yes, it is.
[27:50] not an easy topic to
[27:51] do it right,
[27:52] we just know that
[27:53] is happening,
[27:54] for example, how would you
[27:55] summed it up at
[27:56] one page.
[27:58] But I mean that
[27:59] me, and I didn't have
[28:00] possibilities...I even
[28:01] I didn't see this letter.
[28:02] still. But the point is,
[28:05] borrow now,
[28:06] pay later or
[28:07] pay now,
[28:08] borrow less
[28:09] later?
[28:11] I think that when this
[28:12] more than three questions,
[28:14] this is what you think, how
[28:15] the city pays for it
[28:16] now? Just so
[28:18] to understand that, on
[28:19] people's opinion,
[28:20] is happening, and what would
[28:21] you would prefer to have lower
[28:23] payments during
[28:24] a longer period
[28:25] and potentially
[28:26] to spend more than
[28:27] something. Um, but then,
[28:28] if and what happened, then
[28:29] okay, here are a few
[28:30] different ways, like
[28:31] we could actually
[28:32] to do this with
[28:33] actual figures from
[28:34] actual purchases
[28:35] , and you know, do you want
[28:37] Are you doing this now?
[28:37] later. Uh, I think
[28:41] what from the point of view
[28:42] tax accounts,
[28:43] for me it's what we
[28:44] let's try to do this
[28:46] when we get to
[28:47] a specific amount,
[28:48] you know, it's the sum of x times 100
[28:49] 000 or some other
[28:50] the easiest way
[28:52] consideration, you know,
[28:53] when there is another way
[28:54] cost of media housing
[28:56] equals x, media-
[28:57] housing–this is it
[28:57] increase for this
[28:59] factory compared to
[29:00] this factory, and we are in
[29:01] ultimately
[29:02] we spend x on
[29:03] percent, and in
[29:04] the result is
[29:05] something general. Yes, I am.
[29:09] I think we still have
[29:10] a lot is needed
[29:11] to make it so
[29:12] liked the most
[29:13] interested, but this
[29:15] what we are asking.
[29:17] This is what the council
[29:18] directors throughout my life
[29:19] history in the council
[29:20] directors, this is one of
[29:22] those things that we
[29:23] weighed over time,
[29:24] because it is also
[29:25] depends on
[29:26] what interest rates,
[29:27] isn't that right? So, when
[29:28] interest rates for
[29:30] low loans, loan
[29:31] is acceptable for
[29:33] people because you know what you will get
[29:35] fixed rate on x
[29:36] number of years,
[29:37] for example, at the level of 2%.
[29:40] As soon as it starts
[29:42] to grow, to arise
[29:43] dilemma: "Do I want
[29:44] pay this higher
[29:45] interest rate?
[29:50] Or, you know, because
[29:51] we do not invest our
[29:53] money when we take
[29:55] bank account,
[29:57] isn't that right?
[29:57] And this, I think, is completely
[29:59] another conversation we had
[30:00] must lead. Now
[30:01] we have money that
[30:02] stay afloat,
[30:03] and they constitute
[30:04] about 5%or 5%, and we
[30:05] could translate them
[30:06] somewhere and get 3%,
[30:07] so we have to do this
[30:08] to do, forgetting about
[30:10] poll,
[30:10] there are some basic
[30:12] mechanisms.
[30:13] And in general, I think that
[30:14] the whole point of the plan
[30:15] raising capital
[30:16] is to know what will happen next, and
[30:18] then plan like this,
[30:19] so that we can
[30:20] to equalize taxes
[30:21] rates. We don't want to
[30:22] so that taxes increase
[30:23] one year, and
[30:24] the next fell;
[30:25] the presence of a certain
[30:26] amount of money in reserve
[30:27] gives us a choice
[30:28] to borrow money or not.
[30:29] If in
[30:30] We don't have any money.
[30:30] funds, we don't have
[30:32] choice. We are in debt.
[30:33] Yes. And that's why I think that
[30:35] if everything looked like
[30:37] , you know, from 2011 to 2020
[30:38] year, that's not very
[30:40] conversation, right?
[30:41] Good. We borrow,
[30:43] This is normal. Doesn't have
[30:44] value.
[30:45] As for your opinion, Liz,
[30:46] we never had
[30:48] so many extras
[30:49] funds. We didn't have
[30:50] CIP funds that we have five today
[30:53] years ago. I have on
[30:55] mind, we built, we
[30:57] added to them, and we are trying
[30:59] accumulate these funds.
[31:01] I think that's all.
[31:02] goal. So, when we are going to buy
[31:04] a fire engine or
[31:06] road truck,
[31:07] instead of
[31:08] borrow 350,000, you know,
[31:12] we can either
[31:13] to pay for it
[31:14] immediately, or even
[31:15] reduce the amount we borrow, you know, this
[31:18] its purpose.
[31:18] And there are government programs
[31:20] , isn't it? I think that
[31:21] he doesn't remember what it is
[31:22] Secretary of State
[31:23] or something like that. If in
[31:24] you are there, you can
[31:25] to borrow, I think, to
[31:26] 200 thousand; they have
[31:27] zero percent.
[31:28] If we have
[31:29] enough of these funds,
[31:31] then we will have a better
[31:32] position for
[31:32] making purchases from
[31:34] ...that is, it increases
[31:37] opportunities, but for
[31:38] our account...one
[31:41] the moment I wanted
[31:42] would like to point out regarding
[31:43] point of 2011, this is what are we considering
[31:45] the remaining interest
[31:46] pond; never them
[31:47] actually it wasn't, or
[31:48] wrong? So we just
[31:49] we don't want
[31:50] use very
[31:51] low interest rates
[31:52] bets, right?
[31:53] And you made a comment
[31:55] , I just want
[31:56] to make sure that
[31:57] I understand this correctly.
[31:58] mathematics, which, um,
[31:59] for the city budget, 6%-
[32:01] this is a kind of
[32:02] the maximum you
[32:03] must have from your
[32:04] budget that should go
[32:06] for interest payments
[32:07] for bonds,
[32:08] loans
[32:08] in general.
[32:10] Yes. Um, and I can
[32:11] to provide you with accurate
[32:12] the wording of this
[32:13] questions, but there are certain
[32:14] instructions,
[32:14] and we are at it now,
[32:16] although we get...we
[32:17] we know that we are coming back.
[32:18] Yes. I don't know. I am not
[32:20] I know. I don't have
[32:21] an idea of ​​why we still have loans. I think because we have it was necessary, but we will receive soon
[32:26] a million dollars.
[32:27] No, no, but even
[32:28] if not taken into account
[32:29] FEMA matters, I know, in
[32:29] we have loans for
[32:30] trucks that we
[32:31] bought. We have loans
[32:32] that are burning. We have
[32:34] just eat
[32:35] debt service
[32:36] Yes. You said somewhere,
[32:37] What percentage are we may be in debt,
[32:40] if we just borrow
[32:41] everything that awaits us, or
[32:42] wrong? Isn't it? Yes,
[32:44] it would be above 10%, I think. Well, and then with
[32:48] growth
[32:48] interest rates this
[32:49] the number will be slow
[32:51] or quickly,
[32:52] and I don't think mine
[32:53] main idea
[32:53] is that we don't want to try
[32:56] to fight with
[32:56] financial years
[32:57] around maximization
[32:58] , you know, ours
[32:59] compromise and
[33:00] percent, because in
[33:01] We also have inflation.
[33:02] We want to talk.
[33:03] about things that really
[33:04] we will be hit,
[33:05] but inflation
[33:06] trucks, inflation
[33:07] heavy equipment,
[33:08] simply
[33:08] postponing it
[33:10] per year can cost
[33:11] we have 10%, because the prices
[33:12] growing so fast.
[33:13] Uh, so I think that
[33:14] these are all wonderful things,
[33:15] if we could sit down
[33:16] yes indeed
[33:17] optimize them, but
[33:18] we should have more
[33:19] fundamental
[33:19] the question of whether
[33:20] wrong?
[33:21] Well, I also think that
[33:22] maybe something
[33:23] average, right?
[33:24] It seems like the best thing
[33:25] what's there, you can
[33:26] to do both
[33:27] at the same time and be
[33:28] financially
[33:29] responsible.
[33:30] This could be the case if
[33:32] we returned to
[33:33] that list, we don't have
[33:34] there would be these costs
[33:35] in advance. But if in
[33:37] we have expenses upfront
[33:38] where we are meeting
[33:39] spend, you know, 2
[33:40] millions of dollars
[33:41] during the next
[33:42] three to five years, in
[33:44] there won't be many of us
[33:45] options if we don't
[33:46] Let's begin.
[33:47] Well, we saw
[33:47] result of failure
[33:48] from the chest. Here
[33:50] We are here.
[33:51] And how many do we have in
[33:53] our CIP for, um, for
[33:54] savings? Not
[33:56] How many?
[33:57] 340. It's nothing.
[34:00] We asked...How much?
[34:01] we asked for the past
[34:02] year? It was just
[34:03] about 50? I
[34:05] more than that.
[34:06] Good.
[34:08] Um, okay. Are there any more?
[34:13] something about
[34:14] you want to talk,
[34:15] Matt?
[34:16] I think we all
[34:17] considered. Question
[34:18] regarding your thoughts on
[34:19] surveys? This is something.
[34:22] Yes.
[34:22] How about a timeline?
[34:24] ? What about you guys, of course?
[34:26] , now we are preparing for you
[34:27] a certain forecast. What are you
[34:29] thinking about time
[34:30] framework? I think that in
[34:32] ideal scenario
[34:33] we would appoint our
[34:34] the next budget
[34:35] meeting until October 6th.
[34:37] We would consider some
[34:39] recommendations from the NCA
[34:40] for budget
[34:41] committee. Then we would
[34:43] also identified them to
[34:44] this week. This is what
[34:47] we would like to do,
[34:48] if in
[34:49] Larry has a question.
[34:53] Yes. Matt, where are you?
[34:54] suggest, hmm,
[34:55] publish
[34:56] poll? It's simple.
[34:58] forum on the main page, do we have,
[35:00] as I have noticed in some
[35:01] surveys that we
[35:03] spent with others
[35:04] topics or
[35:04] committees, where,
[35:05] you know, we get
[35:07] on average from 50 to
[35:08] 100 people. Do we have
[35:09] some way
[35:10] promote it more
[35:11] or attract more
[35:12] people to participate?
[35:14] I think the question is
[35:15] how do we get
[35:16] good
[35:17] representative
[35:18] sample? I really wanted to
[35:19] would that the selection
[35:20] the commission said that
[35:21] we can do
[35:21] mailing list, and if there is
[35:22] other information that
[35:23] you want to send,
[35:24] I think we should
[35:25] to do it. I think
[35:26] what if we sent
[35:27] by mail to everyone, and then
[35:28] conducted online
[35:29] informational
[35:29] explanatory
[35:30] work that does nothing
[35:31] costs, it is probably
[35:32] would provide us
[35:33] best coverage
[35:34] Also regarding October 6, and
[35:36] if you guys
[35:37] you can approve up to 5
[35:38] November, if we
[35:39] could have here
[35:40] hard copies, hmm,
[35:42] when people come
[35:43] vote, we too
[35:44] we have, you know, something
[35:46] this is it, and we ask people
[35:47] to remember about
[35:48] poll. It,
[35:49] probably between mailings
[35:50] by mail and
[35:51] informational
[35:52] explanatory
[35:53] work per day
[35:53] elections, I think it's
[35:55] will give us the best
[35:56] chance to get on
[35:57] Olympics.
[35:57] What is in
[35:58] middle box?
[36:00] It depends. I have on
[36:02] meaning that postal
[36:03] expenses constantly
[36:04] are growing. So, I think that postcards
[36:06] even too much
[36:07] expensive. Well,
[36:12] Yes,
[36:13] I brought,
[36:14] and I don't know if it is
[36:15] preferably, but if you
[36:16] want to lower
[36:16] postage cost, you
[36:17] could have a postcard
[36:18] with information about
[36:19] what are we doing
[36:20] survey, and online
[36:21] -link and say
[36:22] that if you want
[36:23] a paper copy, you can visit
[36:25] city
[36:25] administration.
[36:26] Good.
[36:27] Or asked,
[36:28] Yes? Or
[36:29] call us. IN
[36:31] you may also be QR-
[36:32] code, perhaps for
[36:33] people. I mean,
[36:34] because most
[36:35] people have expensive
[36:36] phones.
[36:37] We talked about it. IN
[36:38] you are also there for
[36:39] large group
[36:40] population that does not
[36:41] uses
[36:42] electronics. They are not
[36:43] know what a QR code is.
[36:45] I know that I always
[36:46] has to explain on
[36:47] exhibition. So,
[36:49] you know, I think we want to be able to cover everyone.
[36:54] Therefore, I think we,
[36:55] maybe you will have to
[36:56] do more
[36:57] one option.
[36:58] I mean, online
[37:00] I really can if
[37:01] everyone is comfortable, I can
[37:02] post online. I can do this.
[37:04] available. I can
[37:05] post this on
[37:06] affiliated website.
[37:08] I will pay 10 dollars.
[37:09] per domain, for example,
[37:10] this is electronic
[37:11] the side that does nothing
[37:12] it won't cost us anything,
[37:14] but to cover enough
[37:15] number of people and
[37:16] to make sure that we cover the correct
[37:19] distribution
[37:19] demographic groups,
[37:20] This is the hardest part, I think.
[37:22] that it is small
[37:22] vulnerable or
[37:23] most affected
[37:25] population group is that
[37:26] , which probably
[37:29] it will be the hardest
[37:30] to convey this, yes, yes,
[37:31] Well,
[37:32] and explain this too, I mean, this is
[37:34] difficult for anyone
[37:36] . Right.
[37:37] Yes.
[37:37] I think the explanation is,
[37:38] which we can
[37:39] to get if
[37:40] we can reach
[37:41] to the people, we will do
[37:41] everything possible to
[37:42] explain this, and I think
[37:43] that there is an opportunity for
[37:44] feedback from
[37:45] about this. Um, we
[37:46] Sam and I will
[37:47] hard
[37:48] to work for something
[37:49] get.
[37:50] And then you are going
[37:52] professionally
[37:52] print them somewhere,
[37:54] these postcards, or this
[37:55] something we can
[37:56] do it now? So I have no idea.
[37:58] We could, that is, yes,
[38:00] we could, this,
[38:01] probably,
[38:01] will cost more.
[38:03] Yes. I don't see us
[38:04] created postcards
[38:05] from here. Yes.
[38:06] Is the city, uh, that is, we send things
[38:08] by mail from the city? So,
[38:09] do we get one
[38:11] of these, uh,
[38:11] non-profit
[38:12] postal services that
[38:13] we pay
[38:14] to the post office
[38:15] Our car is not
[38:16] set up for this.
[38:17] You will have to address, uh, you can use
[38:20] postal service, which
[38:21] will do it for you, or
[38:23] something like that. And this
[38:24] maybe
[38:24] the simplest
[38:25] way.
[38:26] So you just
[38:26] send things
[38:27] through our mail
[38:28] service. Yes, that's right.
[38:30] you do this because the whole
[38:31] our mail goes through our little
[38:34] postal counter
[38:35] below, and this...Hers
[38:36] counting, I think
[38:37] , we pay, perhaps,
[38:39] three cents less,
[38:40] than the usual rate,
[38:41] or 5 cents less,
[38:43] than the usual rate,
[38:44] something like that.
[38:45] I would also ask
[38:46] your printing house, is it
[38:47] something that they
[38:48] provide, for example,
[38:50] they would give it something
[38:51] there, and...
[38:52] Yes, we did that.
[38:53] You worked in the mail,
[38:55] Sandy, right? Yes.
[38:56] I think we can...we can
[38:58] come, we can
[38:59] find the cheapest
[39:00] way to do it...
[39:01] important, and we can
[39:02] to give you this rating.
[39:03] I haven't decided yet,
[39:04] I think it's more like...yes,
[39:05] we would like to do
[39:06] mailing list, but
[39:07] we need an assessment,
[39:08] you know, we need
[39:10] cost.
[39:10] I would appreciate it if this
[39:11] will cost
[39:12] at least 1800 with all
[39:14] expenses, postcard
[39:15] and mailing,
[39:18] it would seem
[39:19] intelligent,
[39:19] actually yes, I am
[39:20] I think it will be
[39:22] Less,
[39:22] Well, I'm just saying that.
[39:23] because before I
[39:24] sent by mail to
[39:25] autumn lunch with
[39:26] harvest, and I
[39:27] sent to everyone in the city
[39:28] , and I did it through
[39:30] post office,
[39:31] it was a cheap way
[39:32] , and for this you need
[39:33] there was permission. I have on
[39:34] mind you, it was from
[39:35] hands, it was about 10
[39:37] years ago, and this
[39:38] It cost 1400 dollars.
[39:40] Yes.
[39:40] So, I don't think that's it.
[39:41] will be so,
[39:42] two thousand.
[39:43] A couple of thousand. Yes.
[39:44] I would...I don't think so.
[39:45] there should be much
[39:46] more than two thousand,
[39:47] but
[39:48] Yes. Well, I mean
[39:49] that I am completely for it,
[39:51] because, you know, we want to be
[39:52] maximum
[39:53] transparent. Well, we
[39:56] also planned, and you
[39:57] just talked about
[39:58] this, um, to spend
[39:59] public meetings,
[40:00] you know something like
[40:02] : "Come to our
[40:03] public meeting regarding
[40:04] budget", but something on
[40:05] like: "We will have
[40:06] community forum with
[40:07] cookies, and we
[40:08] let's talk about
[40:09] budget". Kind regards
[40:14] please. We are very happy.
[40:15] to do it. I think
[40:16] what are we planning
[40:17] to hold some
[40:18] seminar like
[40:19] this. I think that
[40:22] the budget committee does not
[40:23] wants to decide how
[40:24] tell people, here
[40:26] where should they come from,
[40:27] here is the place, here is how
[40:28] to provide
[40:29] food, etc.
[40:31] Yes. Not to mention
[40:32] this time of year. Sorry.
[40:34] We have a long way to go.
[40:35] November and December, and
[40:36] then January, when we have to develop
[40:37] budget.
[40:38] No, no. I think that in
[40:39] We will be gone,
[40:41] but
[40:41] I think you want
[40:42] to be a little later,
[40:43] when we will have,
[40:44] for example,
[40:45] preliminary budget.
[40:46] Yes, you have a previous one.
[40:47] planning,
[40:48] and then, and then,
[40:49] their invitation, and that's it
[40:50] then they can
[40:51] discuss this and
[40:52] provide feedback or
[40:53] something like that, and then
[40:54] decisions committee
[40:55] helps to plan
[40:56] west, or
[40:57] wrong?
[40:57] But it's not far,
[40:59] guys.
[41:00] That's why we're here.
[41:01] the following.
[41:02] It's something like
[41:03] what we should
[41:04] to plan backwards, or
[41:05] wrong? For example,
[41:06] when should it be
[41:07] Has the budget been approved?
[41:08] When we, you know,
[41:09] need to be warned
[41:10] about this and all that, and
[41:11] yes, that's why I think that
[41:12] bottleneck now
[41:13] will be what we want
[41:14] will have to sit down with
[41:15] department, or not
[41:16] Yes? So now, when
[41:17] we will be the ones who do it
[41:18] come on, we can do anything
[41:19] plan it, then
[41:20] easier to achieve
[41:20] perfection. I like it.
[41:22] Good,
[41:23] so just hold on
[41:24] let us know when, on
[41:26] in your opinion, you will
[41:27] ready for one, or
[41:28] invite a selection
[41:30] I'm glad to come and
[41:30] to share,
[41:31] for example, oh, us
[41:32] need a cola and everything
[41:33] like this. Um, and then, after-
[41:35] second, when will you be
[41:36] ready, come to
[41:38] us and present that,
[41:39] What do you have?
[41:40] us too
[41:40] will be useful
[41:41] financial reports. Um,
[41:44] we will have to contact you,
[41:46] Guys, you are not
[41:47] you will receive from
[41:48] We have news. I think
[41:50] that there will be a lot of things, and
[41:52] this
[41:52] idea for you too.
[41:54] So earlier Cheryl
[41:54] just small
[41:55] spreadsheet
[41:56] and entered the numbers. You,
[41:57] Guys, are you going to do this?
[41:59] do?
[42:00] I'll talk to Cheryl,
[42:01] but yes. I think that
[42:02] she will be too
[42:03] satisfied. I think
[42:04] that's right.
[42:05] Okay, great. Good.
[42:07] Still have questions? Larry, in
[42:08] Do you have any more questions? No.
[42:10] Good. There are still questions.
[42:12] from someone? Good. What
[42:14] Well, thank you very much. It was
[42:15] very useful.
[42:16] And thank you, guys,
[42:17] for coming out,
[42:18] you know, supported
[42:19] us in this way. I think it will be very
[42:22] useful.
[42:23] Um, okay. Um,
[42:26] now we are back.
[42:28] You can stay,
[42:29] while we talk
[42:30] about the price of improvement
[42:32] premises.
[42:33] Wait, we wanted to
[42:35] know, Liam, and I
[42:36] wanted to know what
[42:37] means "T".
[42:38] Improvement Team
[42:39] premises.
[42:40] So the team from
[42:40] pull-ups, about which
[42:42] Zara told me
[42:42] this morning, I didn't
[42:43] remembered.
[42:44] Good.
[42:45] From suitability. Good.
[42:48] So, who is this...Oh, this, um,
[42:50] we...we
[42:52] got the name you
[42:54] came up with.
[42:54] I will ask. Good,
[42:58] You can take it.
[42:59] Okay, we have Dave here.
[43:00] Makita. He is old.
[43:04] city ​​volunteer. Liam,
[43:06] and he enters
[43:07] committee on
[43:08] suitability, and he
[43:09] going a little
[43:10] tell us about it
[43:11] . He is the chairman of the committee.
[43:12] from suitability.
[43:14] Thank you. I will ask.
[43:15] Erica help me.
[43:17] Before we move on
[43:18] to the details, I want
[43:19] to talk about
[43:20] recommendations that we
[43:21] developed for themselves, and
[43:22] about how we approach
[43:23] projects and
[43:24] we determine
[43:24] priorities. Security
[43:25] life activities are
[43:26] number one. Number two-
[43:28] these are problems with norms
[43:29] . Building damage or
[43:32] her absence.
[43:35] Equipment failure
[43:36] or lack thereof.
[43:38] So unique
[43:39] opportunity to decide
[43:40] problems for
[43:41] at an attractive price.
[43:43] Nevertheless, we are a little
[43:44] the last ones had fun
[43:45] several months. We
[43:49] learned that
[43:50] expansion
[43:51] swampy
[43:51] garage areas already
[43:53] provided for by the project
[43:54] . So, the entire territory,
[43:59] which we are considering,
[44:00] no longer open
[44:03] for expansion.
[44:04] Eric tomorrow
[44:05] meets with
[44:06] state representatives
[44:08] about what we can do
[44:10] legally. One of
[44:12] questions that I
[44:13] I'm going to her.
[44:13] to put, that's what
[44:14] because our
[44:15] the building is located
[44:16] in the buffer zone,
[44:20] how much we care
[44:21] about conservation
[44:22] buildings there and
[44:22] use...This
[44:26] one of the questions, one of the
[44:27] many questions that
[44:28] I can have it.
[44:32] Just hypothetically,
[44:33] can you demolish
[44:34] building and
[44:35] build a new one on
[44:36] in the same place? I am not like that.
[44:38] I think because
[44:39] part of the building
[44:40] is in
[44:41] buffer zone, therefore
[44:42] right.
[44:44] Plus it's unnecessary,
[44:45] because the building is in
[44:46] order. We need
[44:48] more space for
[44:49] more quantity
[44:49] vehicles
[44:51] Yes.
[44:52] So now we are working
[44:53] above the plan
[44:54] consider the existing
[44:55] a building that we really like
[44:56] examined in detail,
[44:57] some engineers
[44:58] inspect it to
[44:59] get a price for
[45:00] repair and
[45:01] modernization
[45:02] existing garage, so that
[45:03] to make it
[45:04] safe and well
[45:05] ventilated.
[45:07] Solve problems with
[45:08] norms, and then
[45:09] create a working
[45:10] environment that
[45:11] much better for
[45:12] employees. They are not
[45:13] must work in that environment, in
[45:15] who they work for
[45:16] now. It's simple.
[45:17] dangerously. It
[45:18] need to be decided.
[45:19] So we quickly
[45:20] we continue working
[45:21] over this. Our plan
[45:22] is to
[45:23] Eric made a list,
[45:27] some prices, got
[45:28] some requests
[45:29] suggestions and time to
[45:30] you included this in,
[45:31] sorry, voting
[45:33] city ​​council for
[45:36] improvement of the existing
[45:38] garage.
[45:40] Do we need
[45:41] to do it on city roads
[45:42] meeting, can we
[45:43] Is it advisable to do this?
[45:44] I think that this
[45:44] depends on the price.
[45:46] Yes,
[45:46] it depends on
[45:47] money, or
[45:48] wrong? I think that
[45:49] the minimum that we need to do this
[45:51] to resolve the issue with
[45:53] doors and gaping
[45:54] the holes that are there.
[45:56] Seal everything,
[45:57] so that we don't lose
[45:58] warm.
[45:59] I have to believe in
[46:00] head that we
[46:01] exceeded this threshold.
[46:04] What is the threshold?
[46:05] Er, 25,000
[46:09] not in order to go to the city.
[46:11] No, that would just be
[46:12] for the chosen ones.
[46:13] Yes.
[46:14] This is only for
[46:15] of what the city has
[46:16] approximately 200. You
[46:17] remember that in our
[46:18] procurement policy,
[46:19] what, um,
[46:20] Oh, what does it require?
[46:21] conducting auctions?
[46:22] Yes.
[46:22] What? No. What does it require?
[46:25] special meeting
[46:26] for the whole city, so that,
[46:27] um...
[46:30] Well, I don't know. I don't think so.
[46:31] , that...
[46:32] I thought it was 30,000. This is
[46:36] to approve the choice.
[46:38] Yes. for approval
[46:39] choice
[46:46] from this.
[46:46] But money can be
[46:48] taken from the construction site
[46:49] fund. I mean,
[46:50] What do you take away from
[46:52] any money that
[46:53] postpone for
[46:54] future building. But
[46:56] we need
[46:57] do this first
[46:58] building safe.
[46:59] Yes.
[47:00] Before we begin
[47:01] construction of a new
[47:02] buildings. So without any
[47:04] what approval,
[47:05] except yours, on
[47:06] spending these
[47:07] money, they can
[47:08] to get out of control,
[47:11] and that's it, and that's it,
[47:14] How much is in this fund?
[47:15] ? Um,
[47:16] I'm thinking about it.
[47:18] even if it's simple
[47:19] about...
[47:21] Um, I have
[47:23] numbers.
[47:26] Well, she's considering it.
[47:28] Some of you have already heard
[47:29] about the project we are working on
[47:30] we want to attack
[47:30] existing garage, but I think Eric should
[47:32] to spend time to
[47:33] he you because of this
[47:34] spent. So, the main
[47:35] things we want
[47:37] solve.
[47:37] Yes. Therefore,
[47:39] priority will be
[47:40] door and entrance, and
[47:41] make sure that they
[47:42] hermetic. Past
[47:46] Larry came every week.
[47:47] with several members
[47:48] energy
[47:49] committee and spoke
[47:50] about adding
[47:51] additional insulation
[47:52] to the walls, not to the ceiling, but
[47:53] to the walls. And, perhaps,
[47:57] about installation
[47:58] fan, which would
[48:04] cleaned the air, um, and,
[48:06] in fact, made it easier
[48:07] heating so that we don't
[48:08] spent so much
[48:09] energy. Currently we can't anymore
[48:14] to insulate the ceiling
[48:15] through structural
[48:16] problems. But I think
[48:20] that the very shell of the walls
[48:21] could be strengthened
[48:22] so that we don't waste
[48:24] so much energy.
[48:26] Yes. But we,
[48:27] considering that
[48:29] we spend,
[48:29] we save a lot
[48:31] heat that just blows
[48:32] from holes in the building.
[48:33] Yes. And regardless of what will happen to
[48:36] this building, if
[48:37] we will build a new one, this
[48:39] anyway three years from
[48:40] too much.
[48:40] Yes.
[48:41] So until then something
[48:43] It has to happen. And, on my
[48:45] view, in any
[48:46] In this case, this area
[48:47] now considered
[48:48] outside our borders
[48:49] opportunities to build
[48:50] further. So this building
[48:52] has value for us,
[48:53] even with a new one
[48:54] building on another
[48:55] place. This is true because if
[48:56] we need
[48:57] remote building,
[48:58] you know, remote
[48:59] place,
[48:59] additional storage.
[49:01] Yes. I mean,
[49:02] for me, regardless
[49:02] from the circumstances,
[49:03] real estate has
[49:04] serious value. We own buildings.
[49:06] I am 100%.
[49:08] And that also helped.
[49:09] we would reduce the size
[49:10] any new
[49:11] buildings, or
[49:12] wrong? So we don't
[49:13] need to build
[49:13] some massive
[49:14] design so that everything
[49:15] to accommodate. We can
[49:16] build small, but
[49:17] then finish building. IN
[49:18] there may be us
[49:19] heated storage,
[49:20] which you will not be
[49:20] to keep things to oneself
[49:21] , which are not
[49:22] use every day
[49:23] . IN
[49:23] one of the other areas
[49:24] I want to decide
[49:24] electricity issue.
[49:25] Yes,
[49:26] we have a very hard time for
[49:27] them now it
[49:27] use.
[49:28] Constantly disappearing
[49:29] documents.
[49:30] Yes, this indicates
[49:31] problems.
[49:32] Some problems.
[49:34] So what is this we have?
[49:35] figure? Um, as of
[49:38] the end of December was 36
[49:39] 000, and then we, uh,
[49:41] contributed 5,000 to the budget
[49:43] CIP for the current year.
[49:45] Probably not yet. And I don't
[49:48] I know, is any of this
[49:50] it came out from that time,
[49:52] but this, you know,
[49:53] the last digit I
[49:54] had, was for December
[49:55] 40-41, maybe. Yes. Unless
[49:58] that something happened
[49:58] spent
[49:59] in advance. So
[50:00] everything would just go away
[50:01] regular budget
[50:03] on the highway.
[50:03] Yes. Nothing worked out.
[50:05] from the budget to
[50:05] construction, or
[50:06] wrong?
[50:09] I want to take a chance.
[50:10] to guess how much
[50:12] this could cost us
[50:13] . Engineers not yet.
[50:14] A lot will depend
[50:15] from how much
[50:16] construction work
[50:17] necessary. This is expensive.
[50:22] So we plan to
[50:24] mid-December.
[50:25] Oh, I hope so.
[50:26] before, or
[50:27] wrong? So the final
[50:28] midterm
[50:29] December, if you
[50:29] do you want this
[50:30] taken to the city
[50:31] meeting. Right.
[50:32] I, again, I don't
[50:33] I think we should
[50:34] need to take this out
[50:35] at the town meeting. I think that's it.
[50:39] just at your discretion. I think it's simple.
[50:41] one of those things that
[50:42] are included in our
[50:43] powers regarding
[50:44] expenses. We may
[50:45] will have to get
[50:46] competitive
[50:47] offers through
[50:48] amount. If she
[50:48] exceeds 30,000, we have
[50:50] requirement to participate in
[50:51] tender. Yes. But is
[50:52] We ask the voters
[50:54] approve of this, it's like this
[50:55] or not. You know, if we
[50:58] let's post this as ours
[50:59] bulletin if we
[51:00] let's put this on
[51:01] floor plan, uh,
[51:02] but remember, uh, and
[51:04] I don't remember why.
[51:05] we had to do this
[51:06] make. We had to put an excavator
[51:09] . The city had to approve
[51:11] excavator.
[51:17] This is a big loan.
[51:18] And this is not...We are not
[51:19] we are talking about such
[51:20] big expenses. No. AT,
[51:21] no, no, no.
[51:23] Oh, okay.
[51:23] Or
[51:24] are not considered
[51:25] improvement of urban
[51:26] garage capital
[51:27] expenses?
[51:28] No, they are considered.
[51:30] But the question here is
[51:31] so, will it be, I think it will be
[51:33] at least over 75
[51:35] thousands. Maybe 200. That's
[51:36] loan exhibition or
[51:38] something like that. I think this is
[51:41] loan because we
[51:42] borrowed this 250,000 or
[51:44] How many were there?
[51:45] And we spent money
[51:47] to separate us.
[51:48] Oh, that's right. So, these
[51:50] The money has arrived. I am not
[51:51] I remember how much it is.
[51:52] was, but
[51:53] 35,000.
[51:54] So we probably just
[51:56] close
[51:56] 35,000.
[51:59] So, we need
[52:00] determine the amount to do as much as possible
[52:02] more work on this
[52:03] scale.
[52:05] 35,000 if you don't
[52:06] you will find money
[52:07] elsewhere, but this is what it is
[52:09] in this fund.
[52:10] Or, should we
[52:11] get the price
[52:12] execution of all this
[52:13] work? Are we too?
[52:16] include in your
[52:17] budget, for example,
[52:18] repair work that
[52:19] exceed normal
[52:20] to add, to
[52:21] mitigate this?
[52:22] will be necessary...Yes
[52:23] , it will be in the budget
[52:24] next year.
[52:25] In the budget of the next
[52:27] year, right? So you
[52:28] are you trying to do this?
[52:29] in the current year,
[52:31] certainly, that much,
[52:32] as much as we can
[52:33] make. Interesting.
[52:34] So, in essence, we take from
[52:35] our construction
[52:37] fund,
[52:37] and then from what
[52:38] anything else,
[52:39] or maybe we have
[52:40] there are still some
[52:41] freedom of action or not
[52:42] freedom of action, but, hmm,
[52:44] reserve fund, in case there is
[52:47] cheaper to do
[52:48] as many jobs as possible
[52:49] and just put them aside
[52:50] at different stages.
[52:52] We have open
[52:53] things, and it's time
[52:54] to resolve the issue
[52:55] electricians, as well as
[52:56] wall structures.
[52:57] That was the question I asked.
[52:58] Dave about
[52:59] electricians. Did you want
[53:01] would we have a full update?
[53:02] I think, no, I don't think so.
[53:03] what we need
[53:04] full update. I think we need to
[53:06] for an electrician to come
[53:08] and said, "Okay, this one
[53:09] section needed
[53:10] to recycle".
[53:10] Good. In the shield, maybe
[53:12] , something like that, or us
[53:13] the volume is suitable
[53:14] service. I don't even know.
[53:16] How many amps do we have?
[53:17] for maintenance.
[53:18] Service, I think it's normal. I think that on our
[53:25] far walls from
[53:26] shield needed
[53:27] to recycle the cable-
[53:28] channel.
[53:28] Yes.
[53:30] Leading equipment.
[53:32] Yes.
[53:34] Good.
[53:36] So you can't
[53:37] connect nothing, no
[53:38] charging it. So
[53:42] this renovation at the town hall,
[53:44] in our opinion, it is worth
[53:45] several dozen
[53:46] thousands.
[53:50] Perhaps,
[53:51] even less, maybe
[53:53] and less.
[53:54] I wanted to say that
[53:56] everything is worth it today
[53:57] so expensive, 000. Just
[54:00] tell us what it is
[54:01] wetlands.
[54:02] Yes.
[54:05] I think you
[54:06] exceeded 50. Me too
[54:07] I think so, and that's why I want to worry about whether
[54:10] this will cost
[54:11] more expensive than what we have in
[54:12] our construction
[54:14] fondue, because we have
[54:15] and other things,
[54:16] for example, ours
[54:17] the town hall needs
[54:18] another fund.
[54:20] Oh, right?
[54:20] Yes.
[54:21] Good. I thought that was it.
[54:22] also in construction
[54:23] fondue. This is the town hall.
[54:25] My plan is to
[54:26] in order to collect this
[54:27] list with
[54:28] prices so that you have
[54:29] exact number.
[54:30] Good. And maybe this
[54:31] something that you...Yes. I have
[54:32] I mean, I don't know.
[54:33] And hire an electrician,
[54:34] also give us...In
[54:35] there are many of us
[54:36] electricians in the city.
[54:37] Yes, there is. But we have
[54:38] a few good ones...
[54:39] I'm not asking now.
[54:40] to make a decision, but
[54:41] I just
[54:41] I agree.
[54:42] I inform you that we will work on
[54:44] list,
[54:44] but we are going
[54:45] attack and evaluate
[54:46] cost...
[54:47] Yes. And are we getting warm?
[54:48] Are we fuel oil?
[54:49] Propane.
[54:49] Because mine
[54:51] friend paid 6 dollars
[54:52] per gallon.
[54:52] Yes. For oil.
[54:53] Yes.
[54:54] No, it's propane.
[54:56] Eric, could you
[54:56] committee to give you
[54:57] rough estimate
[54:58] that, on their part
[54:59] opinion, in percentage
[55:00] they can do
[55:02] for improvements,
[55:02] for example, what are they
[55:04] can achieve?
[55:05] He really doesn't
[55:06] called the number. Good.
[55:08] Um, but there were types
[55:09] settings that we
[55:10] could add etc.
[55:14] You know, maybe we
[55:16] could do something
[55:17] from this and with a few
[55:18] volunteers.
[55:20] I believe there is 10%
[55:22] values.
[55:24] You just need
[55:25] know
[55:26] all day, because
[55:27] insulation on walls
[55:28] very...
[55:29] Yes.
[55:30] Ventilation today-
[55:31] these are targets in the wall.
[55:32] Right.
[55:33] Please. No, I have
[55:35] I mean, I'm looking at
[55:37] it. I'm just kidding. I see that there is some
[55:41] profitability
[55:42] investments in
[55:43] heating. You know,
[55:44] when Liz talks about
[55:46] $6 per gallon,
[55:47] so I think 10 is 15
[55:49] %. Start sharing this.
[55:50] I bet that
[55:51] there are many. Yes,
[55:52] I would put
[55:53] at least 10-12%.
[55:55] Yes, I agree.
[55:56] Because I have
[55:56] Time is running out.
[55:57] No, sorry.
[55:58] Good. It's just important.
[56:01] to know that if there are any
[56:02] more than 30, we
[56:03] need 30
[56:04] competitive
[56:05] proposals, where it is
[56:06] perhaps. So, if you can only get
[56:09] two, okay, but in
[56:10] ideals, you know, we want to see
[56:12] at least three.
[56:13] Ahem,
[56:13] let's see what's up
[56:14] This will work.
[56:15] But it's like one job.
[56:16] I wanted to say that we
[56:17] hired two or three
[56:19] , for example, if we
[56:20] hired an electrician,
[56:21] the price would be the same, but
[56:22] someone else. So you don't
[56:24] would be a company with
[56:25] selling doors, was
[56:26] someone else would. So
[56:27] materials we would
[56:28] received. This is not that.
[56:29] we are hiring project
[56:31] worth $75,000.
[56:33] We are hiring 10.
[56:34] Let's see what's up.
[56:35] This will work.
[56:36] Yes. Good.
[56:37] Maybe for us
[56:38] best to work
[56:39] as one channel.
[56:42] Well, no, if we do it
[56:43] let's do it, you know,
[56:44] electrician, and then in
[56:46] we are not there
[56:46] general
[56:47] contractor, it can
[56:48] be easier.
[56:50] We don't really
[56:50] we want the city
[56:51] was general
[56:52] contractor. Hmm,
[56:54] maybe I would prefer
[56:55] consider it as
[56:56] peaceful option
[56:57] solution, for example,
[56:59] to attract small
[57:00] contractors to
[57:01] execution of this
[57:02] work. Hmm, I don't know.
[57:06] I think so, but I don't.
[57:07] I like the idea that
[57:08] 5000 here, 6000 here
[57:09] keep it within limits
[57:11] expenditure threshold, so that
[57:12] avoid the tender. Hmm,
[57:15] me too
[57:16] like
[57:16] responsibility for
[57:18] what will go wrong.
[57:20] It is obvious that if
[57:21] you are a general
[57:22] contractor, that is, someone,
[57:23] who can
[57:24] translate yours
[57:25] risk for the performed
[57:26] work and equipment,
[57:27] for example, for quality
[57:28] performance of work, not
[57:30] the one who controls and
[57:31] improves work. If
[57:33] we have an electrician who
[57:35] will come and do it,
[57:36] if we have a volunteer,
[57:37] who will come and do
[57:39] this...Hmm, so from the point
[57:40] vision loss
[57:41] risk
[57:41] responsibility, I would
[57:43] preferred
[57:44] general
[57:44] to the contractor, but,
[57:45] obviously, it can
[57:47] to be more expensive than
[57:48] to patch, to patch. Here
[57:50] this is how we do things, like
[57:51] volunteers and, um,
[57:52] adhesive tape. Hmm,
[57:54] so that's okay.
[57:58] If that's the case, then so be it.
[57:59] will be. I just want
[58:00] make sure that everyone
[58:02] are aware of the risks
[58:03] and the consequences of such
[58:04] approach, and that I would
[58:05] did not support that
[58:06] normally. I only
[58:07] one person. Hmm, but
[58:09] it looks like a repair
[58:10] really important, and I appreciate the work you do.
[58:13] to determine
[58:14] what needs to be done.
[58:17] Also, please don't
[58:18] ask no one
[58:19] nothing to do until
[58:20] you will not get
[58:21] written contract,
[58:22] signed by everyone.
[58:24] Hmm, so we can, uh,
[58:25] to make sure that we
[58:26] all on the same wavelength
[58:27] about what we are talking about
[58:29] we agree. IN
[58:30] We are a good team.
[58:31] Yes, of course. Our
[58:33] The team is experienced.
[58:35] Hmm,
[58:36] continue if you
[58:37] There is something else for you.
[58:38] Sorry. IN
[58:39] Is there anything else for you?
[58:40] discussion? Yes,
[58:43] this is also important. But
[58:45] about the things you
[58:47] want to have, what are we want to have...
[58:49] Well, basically, yes, I am.
[58:50] I mean that
[58:51] Eventually, we outgrew it.
[58:52] building, regardless
[58:53] from its shape. Just in
[58:54] we are not less
[58:55] places. Uh, us
[58:56] must have
[58:57] possibility of safety
[58:58] work with our
[58:59] equipment. We are not
[59:00] we can do this.
[59:01] So this is the conversation that
[59:02] need to be taken out
[59:03] consideration of the city. This is what are we in
[59:08] We live now.
[59:14] So, having in
[59:15] mainly two places,
[59:22] Where is everything in your mouth?
[59:23] OK.
[59:24] Oh yes, the district. I think
[59:27] that would make sense. Yes, it is.
[59:29] would certainly be
[59:31] the cheapest and
[59:31] most accessible
[59:32] the option they have.
[59:37] Yes, I don't think so.
[59:38] you will arise
[59:39] permission problems,
[59:40] which is a big question
[59:42] , you know, just for
[59:43] start of laying
[59:44] foundation.
[59:45] This may sound like
[59:46] discussion of sensations
[59:47] because it's a sand quarry.
[59:48] Are there any concerns?
[59:50] regarding wetlands
[59:51] lands?
[59:51] No.
[59:51] Okay, okay.
[59:53] No, it's such a big area.
[59:55] This is such a large area.
[59:56] gravel and sand. Yes.
[59:59] I think we probably should
[1:00:00] will have to spend
[1:00:01] public hearings,
[1:00:02] because it changes
[1:00:04] the nature of the road and its
[1:00:05] using,
[1:00:06] neighbors, etc.
[1:00:08] Oh, of course. So this is
[1:00:09] also worth taking
[1:00:10] attention,
[1:00:11] but I just, you know,
[1:00:12] I share ideas. This is what do we know?
[1:00:17] And Dave, is there
[1:00:17] potential for
[1:00:18] inclusion of a new
[1:00:19] town hall to this
[1:00:20] plots?
[1:00:22] Let's talk about this.
[1:00:23] Good. Because that's what
[1:00:24] about what
[1:00:25] we are not going yet
[1:00:26] give recommendations.
[1:00:27] Doctor,
[1:00:28] Carol, can you
[1:00:29] include in
[1:00:30] something about the protocol
[1:00:31] necessity
[1:00:32] public hearings?
[1:00:33] Because,
[1:00:36] if we really
[1:00:36] we are considering March
[1:00:38] as time for
[1:00:38] voting for...What are we voting?
[1:00:41] March...
[1:00:42] We can't
[1:00:43] vote for
[1:00:43] bond...No, we still
[1:00:44] this one hasn't gone far
[1:00:45] way.
[1:00:46] We are not that we don't
[1:00:46] passed, or
[1:00:47] wrong? So I don't think so.
[1:00:48] what do we really need
[1:00:49] something needs to be done
[1:00:50] at the town meeting
[1:00:51] of...
[1:00:51] I thought we were just
[1:00:52] let's raise this issue,
[1:00:53] you know, like a conversation.
[1:00:54] This could be possible.
[1:00:55] to bring up as a conversation.
[1:00:56] This may be in our
[1:00:59] council report
[1:01:00] directors or in
[1:01:01] status report
[1:01:01] highways, but
[1:01:03] if we want to have
[1:01:04] this place and explore
[1:01:05] its as a place, it is
[1:01:06] should be public
[1:01:07] hearing. And then,
[1:01:13] Eventually, we will move on.
[1:01:14] to, you know,
[1:01:15] potential
[1:01:16] association with...
[1:01:17] we have an idea about
[1:01:20] a new garage, or
[1:01:22] wrong? I mean,
[1:01:23] that there is a lot between this
[1:01:24] steps before we can reach
[1:01:25] at this moment.
[1:01:26] Yes. Good. Only
[1:01:28] earthworks and
[1:01:29] engineering, and
[1:01:30] yes, just to know, on
[1:01:31] what we really are
[1:01:32] we will get a bond,
[1:01:34] because we are not
[1:01:36] we will be a bond,
[1:01:37] but you can
[1:01:38] need money
[1:01:39] during the next
[1:01:41] year for some design
[1:01:42] , well, this is another one
[1:01:43] thing, municipal
[1:01:44] planning grant
[1:01:45] must be paid 30
[1:01:46] October 15th, Liam or
[1:01:47] On the 31st,
[1:01:48] I think the 31st,
[1:01:49] okay, so this can
[1:01:50] be like this when we
[1:01:51] were engaged in the city,
[1:01:52] remember when we
[1:01:53] were engaged in urban
[1:01:53] building, we did
[1:01:54] something from
[1:01:55] municipal
[1:01:55] grant for
[1:01:56] planning as ours
[1:01:57] first step with BIA, right?
[1:01:58] They spent, um,
[1:01:59] scoping study
[1:02:00] works.
[1:02:00] Yes.
[1:02:01] So, if you do this
[1:02:02] Do you want to?
[1:02:02] you only get them once
[1:02:04] for a year, right now
[1:02:05] time to do it-
[1:02:06] use this
[1:02:06] municipal grant
[1:02:08] on planning as
[1:02:09] scoping study
[1:02:10] works for the city
[1:02:11] garage.
[1:02:12] Um, basically,
[1:02:14] this will be for Town
[1:02:16] at the Sand, new. Yes,
[1:02:19] new, completely new
[1:02:20] construction.
[1:02:21] So, Liz, I don't
[1:02:22] I'm trying to stir up trouble.
[1:02:24] water. But let me
[1:02:27] I should continue.
[1:02:32] This would mean that we want to use
[1:02:34] money for something, about
[1:02:36] we have not yet reported
[1:02:37] city. For example,
[1:02:41] if we were going to do this
[1:02:42] to do, it would be great if the city
[1:02:44] agreed that this is the one
[1:02:45] the direction in which we want to move.
[1:02:47] Now let's
[1:02:48] we will spend
[1:02:48] scoping study
[1:02:49] works. What worries me is that we haven't reached yet
[1:02:52] the moment when we,
[1:02:53] probably not even
[1:02:54] we know if it is already
[1:02:55] decision?
[1:02:56] Well, isn't it? I feel like we took
[1:02:58] city ​​to our attention
[1:02:59] problem. Let's,
[1:03:01] Sandy.
[1:03:04] Um, I suggest if
[1:03:05] you are going
[1:03:06] to apply for
[1:03:07] planning grant,
[1:03:08] take a step back and
[1:03:10] to look at where in the city it can be, and
[1:03:12] not to assume that this
[1:03:13] will be in this place.
[1:03:18] Yes, it is.
[1:03:20] if nothing else,
[1:03:21] um, this place is not
[1:03:22] a place that is designated
[1:03:23] in our city
[1:03:24] plan where we want
[1:03:26] place
[1:03:26] municipal buildings
[1:03:30] and how something
[1:03:31] corresponds to the city
[1:03:32] plan, is one of
[1:03:33] criteria for
[1:03:34] receiving
[1:03:34] municipal
[1:03:35] grant,
[1:03:36] the main criterion.
[1:03:38] Yes. So I'm curious,
[1:03:40] can you have
[1:03:41] just a plan
[1:03:46] expenses. I mean
[1:03:50] , which I wonder if there is,
[1:03:52] um, momentum for
[1:03:53] carrying out
[1:03:53] volume research
[1:03:55] works, or is there
[1:03:56] opportunity for
[1:03:57] cost determination
[1:03:58] the building itself, the place
[1:03:59] whose location is still
[1:04:00] not defined. But I mean that
[1:04:06] one of the advantages
[1:04:07] planning grant
[1:04:09] is that it includes
[1:04:10] work and experts,
[1:04:11] which will perform
[1:04:12] part of this work,
[1:04:13] to spend
[1:04:13] informational
[1:04:14] explanatory
[1:04:15] work. I mean
[1:04:16] the work you do
[1:04:17] you will hear from me,
[1:04:17] the work we do for this
[1:04:19] public forum,
[1:04:20] largely
[1:04:20] performs regional
[1:04:21] planning commission.
[1:04:22] They spent
[1:04:23] poll. They
[1:04:24] organize
[1:04:25] public forum.
[1:04:26] So I
[1:04:28] could join because
[1:04:29] this is part
[1:04:30] next step. To us
[1:04:32] This needs to be resolved.
[1:04:34] Yes,
[1:04:34] but it will take some time. I think that if
[1:04:37] you will apply to
[1:04:38] October, there will be no grant
[1:04:39] granted until spring. So
[1:04:40] no, it will be sooner. IN
[1:04:42] December. Good. Work
[1:04:43] begins in the spring.
[1:04:45] Good.
[1:04:45] Work begins
[1:04:46] already January 1st.
[1:04:47] Good. And then you have
[1:04:48] a year to complete it,
[1:04:49] or two years to complete it.
[1:04:51] I mean, I mean, what is this, I think 10%
[1:04:54] co-financing for
[1:04:55] of this grant.
[1:04:56] Yes.
[1:04:57] And if you can
[1:04:58] receive $30,000,
[1:05:00] otherwise we
[1:05:00] will have to wait
[1:05:01] all year long. Good. So
[1:05:03] I think we really
[1:05:04] it is worth using this
[1:05:05] for this, if people
[1:05:06] agree that this
[1:05:07] worthy use.
[1:05:08] Hmm, Zara, and then Matt,
[1:05:10] I will say: yes, it is worthy.
[1:05:11] using. And also
[1:05:17] , Larry is cooking now,
[1:05:18] hmm, some words to
[1:05:19] we could start
[1:05:20] warn the community
[1:05:22] about what he does
[1:05:23] improvement team
[1:05:24] objects, hmm, where are we,
[1:05:25] you know why,
[1:05:26] stopped at the Notch,
[1:05:28] because we own it and
[1:05:29] other places, we
[1:05:31] would have to buy
[1:05:32] land, hmm, and start
[1:05:33] conversation with
[1:05:34] the public, hmm, and
[1:05:35] keep doing
[1:05:36] this is regular. So I know that Mary is now
[1:05:44] is preparing something. Mette,
[1:05:47] simply put how
[1:05:48] city ​​representative, I think the idea of
[1:05:51] that we found a place,
[1:05:52] which is suitable for
[1:05:53] receiving a grant for
[1:05:54] planning, and we can just
[1:05:56] to implement it,
[1:05:57] taking into account all
[1:05:58] uncertainty and
[1:05:59] question here. I like it.
[1:06:01] seems very
[1:06:02] optimistic.
[1:06:03] It seems
[1:06:04] optimistic. Yes.
[1:06:05] Well,
[1:06:06] seems
[1:06:06] optimistic,
[1:06:07] probably in a bad way
[1:06:08] meaning.
[1:06:08] Yes. Yes. I just
[1:06:10] I would like the city to
[1:06:11] was able to do this year. I just
[1:06:14] I don't know if I'm 100%
[1:06:15] sure that
[1:06:16] city ​​garage
[1:06:17] need more
[1:06:18] places, and I think there are
[1:06:19] the general task that
[1:06:21] this particular place is
[1:06:22] the right place
[1:06:23] for starters
[1:06:24] spending money on
[1:06:25] planning.
[1:06:26] It seems
[1:06:27] optimistic,
[1:06:28] but I still think that
[1:06:29] we could
[1:06:30] use this
[1:06:31] planning grant
[1:06:32] just for
[1:06:32] scoping study
[1:06:33] construction,
[1:06:34] regardless of whether
[1:06:35] Where is it located?
[1:06:36] This is great.
[1:06:37] If possible,
[1:06:38] I would anyway
[1:06:40] started working there
[1:06:41] , or
[1:06:41] wrong? Yes. Um, I
[1:06:42] tried
[1:06:43] to call, and
[1:06:44] I had to me
[1:06:45] include, but unfortunately
[1:06:46] , I couldn't
[1:06:47] to call. Um, me too
[1:06:48] I didn't do much with it,
[1:06:49] but when I spent
[1:06:50] research on
[1:06:52] plots for
[1:06:52] burial, where we do all the work
[1:06:55] with lifts, uh,
[1:06:56] the plot belonged to
[1:06:57] city, and I don't
[1:06:58] sure how many of
[1:06:59] left side
[1:07:00] flower shop
[1:07:01] ...I don't know if it's an acre
[1:07:02] or two. Is this something that
[1:07:04] Can it be built?
[1:07:06] They just bought this,
[1:07:08] and I think they
[1:07:09] bought this so that no one
[1:07:10] I didn't build there. Not
[1:07:11] worth talking about
[1:07:15] left.
[1:07:16] Good. On the other hand.
[1:07:17] Yes. Because I know that
[1:07:19] we own
[1:07:20] property on the left
[1:07:21] side of what you bought
[1:07:22] Balen, but we also
[1:07:23] we own through
[1:07:24] road, for example, from
[1:07:25] left side
[1:07:26] flower shop,
[1:07:27] hmm, where was it once
[1:07:28] police station, and
[1:07:29] you received
[1:07:30] flower shop, and
[1:07:31] then when we
[1:07:32] conducted
[1:07:32] research, there was,
[1:07:33] I don't know if it's an acre or not.
[1:07:35] two. I would include this,
[1:07:39] but I don't know if it is
[1:07:40] something for us, because in
[1:07:44] you will arise
[1:07:45] problems with that
[1:07:46] they bought a flower garden,
[1:07:47] bought warehouses
[1:07:48] buildings and all that, and
[1:07:50] the only way, in my opinion, get
[1:07:52] access to property,
[1:07:53] which belongs to the city
[1:07:54] behind her, it's to pass
[1:07:56] through other property,
[1:07:57] to see her from
[1:08:03] road, looking at
[1:08:04] that mountain. You need
[1:08:05] will get permission.
[1:08:06] You will have to. Yes.
[1:08:08] But I don't know, because
[1:08:09] an acre or two will do
[1:08:10] sufficient property
[1:08:12] because you have to ride one's own
[1:08:14] trucks.
[1:08:15] Yes. Another thing I want to point out that this is
[1:08:17] that Liam and I
[1:08:18] today
[1:08:18] met with
[1:08:19] Mike Klein, and
[1:08:20] when we talked about
[1:08:21] municipal
[1:08:21] water supply and
[1:08:22] municipal
[1:08:23] sewerage, this,
[1:08:24] most likely, the place,
[1:08:25] where we will place
[1:08:25] municipal
[1:08:26] sewerage
[1:08:27] and housing
[1:08:30] for housing, so that we have
[1:08:31] there was more housing in
[1:08:32] the village, right there,
[1:08:33] probably will be
[1:08:34] a septic tank is located.
[1:08:38] Yes, Liam. Then
[1:08:39] What?
[1:08:42] No. Um, that is.
[1:08:44] the consensus is
[1:08:46] because the grant for
[1:08:47] planning will be on
[1:08:48] volume research
[1:08:49] construction of the city
[1:08:50] garage, without specifying
[1:08:51] location?
[1:08:54] Yes. So, if this
[1:08:56] possible to determine,
[1:08:58] Is it possible? Yes,
[1:08:59] Sandy,
[1:09:01] I would also advise you
[1:09:02] look at the place
[1:09:03] arrangement,
[1:09:04] discuss where it is located.
[1:09:06] This may be part of
[1:09:07] volume determination
[1:09:08] works.
[1:09:09] Yes. Yes. Of course.
[1:09:10] That's a good idea. So
[1:09:12] let me
[1:09:13] to quickly ask if there is
[1:09:14] near the fire station
[1:09:15] parts place? Or
[1:09:16] we own the land,
[1:09:17] which is enough for
[1:09:18] buildings?
[1:09:20] We own the land.
[1:09:21] all the way to the river,
[1:09:23] Where is the park?
[1:09:25] behind her.
[1:09:28] I'm not quoting myself, but,
[1:09:29] as far as I understand,
[1:09:30] there were some
[1:09:31] Native American artifacts
[1:09:33] . I don't think so.
[1:09:36] flooding zone,
[1:09:37] Eric? What do you think?
[1:09:38] that lower field where
[1:09:39] there are gazebos
[1:09:40] ? I have never seen
[1:09:41] to flood it.
[1:09:43] This does not mean that it is not
[1:09:44] worth remembering,
[1:09:45] for example, I know that
[1:09:47] the fire station is already
[1:09:48] there, but with all
[1:09:49] oil and others
[1:09:50] things that come out of
[1:09:52] our trucks,
[1:09:53] next to the building,
[1:09:54] but
[1:09:56] I don't know if it's there.
[1:09:58] will be,
[1:09:59] Yes,
[1:10:00] and you probably want to,
[1:10:01] so that there is room
[1:10:02] enough to be able to
[1:10:03] was to put it there
[1:10:05] sand, right? I have
[1:10:06] meaning that it has
[1:10:08] Eric, and I...Sorry.
[1:10:10] Yes,
[1:10:10] this very conversation for us
[1:10:11] need to be held in
[1:10:12] future.
[1:10:13] Yes,
[1:10:14] look at the others
[1:10:15] possible places.
[1:10:16] Additional small
[1:10:17] area is that,
[1:10:18] how far are we now
[1:10:19] big. Let's
[1:10:20] we will get the exact
[1:10:21] information about
[1:10:22] what the building will be like,
[1:10:23] what size
[1:10:23] room for us
[1:10:24] needed for
[1:10:25] placement of this
[1:10:26] social
[1:10:26] trucks.
[1:10:30] Maybe that's where we are
[1:10:31] now we will.
[1:10:33] Are you going?
[1:10:33] call to
[1:10:34] school ever? Are you
[1:10:36] were not going to
[1:10:36] call us,
[1:10:37] to learn about
[1:10:38] tennis courts? Well,
[1:10:39] let's also
[1:10:40] we'll find out how long
[1:10:41] we will be there because it
[1:10:43] will be
[1:10:43] last on the list.
[1:10:44] You will talk about
[1:10:45] school.
[1:10:46] I spoke.
[1:10:47] Yes. If you want
[1:10:48] just a few minutes,
[1:10:49] so that we can, then we
[1:10:51] let's also talk about
[1:10:52] improvement for
[1:10:53] city ​​council.
[1:10:55] The committee reached
[1:10:55] conclusion that we are not
[1:10:56] we will build
[1:10:57] the nearest town hall
[1:10:58] sometimes. So, we have
[1:11:00] good luck in
[1:11:01] implementation of projects with
[1:11:02] split in this
[1:11:03] buildings with the help of
[1:11:04] volunteers. It
[1:11:05] worked very well
[1:11:06] good. People have fulfilled
[1:11:08] a lot of work. Big
[1:11:09] the credit goes to
[1:11:10] Kevin.
[1:11:11] Yes.
[1:11:12] And Lowry and ours
[1:11:13] a team of volunteers. THERE ARE
[1:11:14] another list of things,
[1:11:15] what we want to do
[1:11:16] , and we can do
[1:11:18] separately. If possible, I
[1:11:19] I'll tell you something. I know where we found it.
[1:11:23] Um, one thing I
[1:11:24] talked to Liam, and I think you passed.
[1:11:26] would this be a committee of
[1:11:27] eligibility, this is a grant
[1:11:28] Paul Brun, who
[1:11:29] it would be possible
[1:11:30] use for...uh,
[1:11:31] this is a grant for
[1:11:32] preservation
[1:11:32] historical heritage.
[1:11:33] These grants include
[1:11:35] a lot of money, but, uh-
[1:11:36] eh, they could be
[1:11:37] use. Larry
[1:11:38] looked at it and
[1:11:39] thought: you know, this is in
[1:11:40] registry, right?
[1:11:41] Sandy? I think we
[1:11:42] agreed, right?
[1:11:44] I thought the town hall wasn't
[1:11:45] in the registry, but the garage-
[1:11:46] This is a garage year.
[1:11:48] I don't know.
[1:11:49] I remember that it was
[1:11:51] opportunity when we
[1:11:52] worked with BIA, so
[1:11:53] what I think they are
[1:11:54] considered this
[1:11:55] question. But if this
[1:12:01] insulation hire
[1:12:02] the lower part, because
[1:12:04] this is one of the parameters
[1:12:05] grant, hmm, uh,
[1:12:06] is that
[1:12:07] it can be
[1:12:08] use for
[1:12:09] insulation, and work,
[1:12:10] which was not fulfilled,
[1:12:12] it was, um,
[1:12:12] excavation
[1:12:13] outer part
[1:12:15] and installation
[1:12:16] insulation, hmm, what was it
[1:12:17] a kind of hope
[1:12:18] Lowry and volunteers,
[1:12:19] that it could be
[1:12:21] to do, but it's not
[1:12:22] was only done
[1:12:23] because of time, weather and
[1:12:24] resources we will provide
[1:12:26] grant application for
[1:12:27] insulation, if, if
[1:12:28] The stars will align and, hmmm,
[1:12:29] parameters
[1:12:30] will respond.
[1:12:33] We will also consider
[1:12:34] this is because I have
[1:12:35] mind you, we can't
[1:12:36] to paint this place,
[1:12:37] because the tree was so rotten.
[1:12:39] I don't know if you
[1:12:40] understood.
[1:12:40] No, we need
[1:12:41] new siding.
[1:12:43] Look at that one.
[1:12:44] wooden frame,
[1:12:45] which one are they talking about
[1:12:46] they said, what was
[1:12:47] fully connected with
[1:12:48] tree. Everything you need to have this
[1:12:50] brand, it's absolutely
[1:12:51] new building, and it
[1:12:52] completely wooden.
[1:12:53] Yes. So, this building
[1:12:55] need a new one
[1:12:55] siding.
[1:12:57] Yes.
[1:13:00] On the spot. Yes.
[1:13:01] The wood is rotten.
[1:13:02] It takes a lot
[1:13:03] work. Yes.
[1:13:04] If you want, I'll be quick.
[1:13:04] I'll run along this one.
[1:13:05] buildings? I can
[1:13:06] send to you
[1:13:06] by email,
[1:13:07] if you,
[1:13:08] maybe you can send this
[1:13:08] by email,
[1:13:09] because we are running out
[1:13:10] time. We have a VCA meeting.
[1:13:11] Um, uh, or, you know, if
[1:13:12] we want to add you
[1:13:14] until next time
[1:13:14] agenda, so that
[1:13:15] discuss the city
[1:13:16] town hall. That's good too,
[1:13:18] if you want it for 2
[1:13:19] October. Good. I will send you a copy.
[1:13:22] documents. I think
[1:13:23] That's enough. They
[1:13:24] did not return.
[1:13:25] Okay, that sounds good.
[1:13:27] you had a question
[1:13:29] about the run.
[1:13:31] Oh, just if you know that Zara and I
[1:13:33] always chatted about
[1:13:34] that if this school
[1:13:36] not used,
[1:13:37] this is a great place for
[1:13:38] city ​​council.
[1:13:39] Yes.
[1:13:40] And city offices and everything
[1:13:41] such,
[1:13:42] and a little space for
[1:13:43] sand and trucks,
[1:13:44] and
[1:13:46] good.
[1:13:47] But we don't know.
[1:13:48] future Romney,
[1:13:49] Yes? So you will call,
[1:13:51] Yes?
[1:13:51] Well, they won't say.
[1:13:52] me, what will it be like
[1:13:53] future. I am not
[1:13:54] I'm worried about this. I have
[1:13:55] I mean, yes.
[1:13:58] I mean, we
[1:13:59] could turn to
[1:14:01] boss
[1:14:01] management,
[1:14:02] for example, do you have
[1:14:03] room for
[1:14:04] rent for something. They won't allow it
[1:14:06] for small children
[1:14:07] to run there, to carry
[1:14:08] large trucks and
[1:14:09] piles of sand.
[1:14:10] Perhaps.
[1:14:11] I think they are with this.
[1:14:12] will agree.
[1:14:13] This is for children
[1:14:14] will like it.
[1:14:17] That's right. So thank you,
[1:14:20] Dave,
[1:14:21] for your, um,
[1:14:22] information, and we
[1:14:23] impatiently
[1:14:24] we will wait for
[1:14:25] opportunity to read
[1:14:26] more about, um,
[1:14:28] city ​​hall, but I don't think we should.
[1:14:29] worth...I think we should
[1:14:30] still needed
[1:14:31] continue
[1:14:31] to talk about it and
[1:14:32] discuss
[1:14:33] at least that job,
[1:14:34] which one is needed
[1:14:34] to perform, especially
[1:14:35] during the budget
[1:14:36] season, right? I mean, there is
[1:14:38] serious work that
[1:14:39] need...I have to
[1:14:39] meaning that outside
[1:14:40] looks terrible, yes
[1:14:41] Robots define
[1:14:42] for correction.
[1:14:44] Good. Yes. Yes.
[1:14:46] So yes,
[1:14:47] I think that's a request.
[1:14:48] will consist in the fact that
[1:14:49] so that from the 5th
[1:14:50] met us as
[1:14:51] budget committee,
[1:14:52] when we really want to
[1:14:53] have numbers before
[1:14:55] we will summarize,
[1:14:56] Yes?
[1:14:56] Oh, of course.
[1:14:58] Uh, really, what
[1:14:59] applies to any
[1:15:00] what kind of worker
[1:15:01] the point that we
[1:15:02] determined, of course,
[1:15:03] we will do it.
[1:15:05] Good. So, Dave,
[1:15:07] if you can
[1:15:08] send this price list-
[1:15:09] letter also to the budget
[1:15:10] What is this? Budget middle sex.org.
[1:15:16] question now. Good.
[1:15:19] So, I want to go
[1:15:21] to Sandy from the commission on
[1:15:22] planning. Thank you.
[1:15:23] Good evening to you,
[1:15:24] guys.
[1:15:26] Good.
[1:15:27] Thank you. I'm just sitting.
[1:15:29] there to see you,
[1:15:30] The guys are from here.
[1:15:31] Thank you.
[1:15:32] I'm Sandy Lavin, the chairman.
[1:15:34] planning commissions.
[1:15:37] Um, to all the floods
[1:15:38] planning commission
[1:15:39] periodically
[1:15:40] met with
[1:15:41] the electoral council, and we
[1:15:42] considered it useful to
[1:15:43] the electoral council knew,
[1:15:44] what we do, and
[1:15:46] received your feedback from
[1:15:47] about this. Were
[1:15:50] floods, occurred
[1:15:52] other things, and it was
[1:15:53] something we haven't done in a long time
[1:15:54] met you
[1:15:55] everyone. Therefore, I would like to be able to
[1:15:59] reconnect and
[1:16:00] try
[1:16:00] to meet with
[1:16:01] electoral council
[1:16:02] quarterly or
[1:16:03] about that. I would especially like
[1:16:06] meet now,
[1:16:07] because the commission with
[1:16:08] planning works
[1:16:10] over community forum 13
[1:16:12] October. I hope
[1:16:13] what are you all
[1:16:14] register and
[1:16:15] come to the forum.
[1:16:17] This year we have
[1:16:18] planning grant,
[1:16:19] to consider
[1:16:20] issues of both housing and, uh, resistance to
[1:16:23] climate change. We have
[1:16:25] There were floods in the city. IN
[1:16:27] we were erosion zones,
[1:16:28] especially along the Brook-
[1:16:30] road. Quite likely
[1:16:32] that this once
[1:16:33] It will happen again. We don't know when. And what
[1:16:36] we can do,
[1:16:37] to protect
[1:16:38] health, safety and
[1:16:39] people's property, and in the future, you know,
[1:16:42] zoning and
[1:16:42] planning is not
[1:16:43] will solve everything, but
[1:16:44] can decide
[1:16:45] some of these questions. AND
[1:16:50] to be a little
[1:16:50] proactive,
[1:16:51] thinking about it and
[1:16:52] combining sustainability
[1:16:54] with housing, which is also
[1:16:55] great need for
[1:16:56] in the city. And we also heard
[1:17:00] how people flooded
[1:17:01] houses, or they,
[1:17:02] maybe they will want to move, because
[1:17:04] concerned that
[1:17:05] are located like this
[1:17:06] close to rivers, but
[1:17:07] They have nowhere to go.
[1:17:09] So, where in the city are we?
[1:17:10] can think about
[1:17:11] adding more housing?
[1:17:14] What can we do?
[1:17:15] with our rules
[1:17:16] zoning, our
[1:17:17] documents
[1:17:18] planning to provide more
[1:17:20] housing and more dense
[1:17:21] development in some
[1:17:22] places that
[1:17:22] located closer
[1:17:23] to the roads where there is less
[1:17:24] probability
[1:17:25] flooding and
[1:17:26] blurring in
[1:17:27] future. Therefore,
[1:17:28] That's what this is all about.
[1:17:29] directed. On the forum
[1:17:31] communities will
[1:17:32] experts are present,
[1:17:33] which will discuss
[1:17:34] housing issues. It
[1:17:35] good composition, but this
[1:17:37] there won't be just a bunch
[1:17:38] talking heads. It will be half an hour
[1:17:41] short presentations
[1:17:42] so that people know which
[1:17:43] The resources are there. AND
[1:17:48] next hour we,
[1:17:50] hmm, let's split into
[1:17:51] small groups that
[1:17:52] will consider,
[1:17:53] in particular, Brook Road and
[1:17:54] Great Brook, question
[1:17:56] housing in Great Brook, and
[1:17:57] you know about the risks,
[1:17:58] what are there, and what we
[1:17:59] Can we do something about this?
[1:18:04] And then another group
[1:18:05] will consider the issue
[1:18:07] housing and what we can do
[1:18:08] to do with this. We really want
[1:18:10] get reviews
[1:18:11] communities from this
[1:18:12] reason and hear that
[1:18:13] people think. I think
[1:18:15] what is long-term
[1:18:17] conversation. Hmm, but we have
[1:18:19] there are, you know, some ideas
[1:18:21] about what we can do
[1:18:23] next year, to
[1:18:24] start gradually
[1:18:25] work on this. Hmm,
[1:18:27] precisely for this and
[1:18:28] designated forum
[1:18:29] communities. I sent
[1:18:33] letters or...I added
[1:18:34] a copy of the flyer to
[1:18:35] your package. I
[1:18:39] sent a copy of that
[1:18:40] flyer with order
[1:18:41] daytime everyone
[1:18:42] residents along
[1:18:43] Brook Road. So I was
[1:18:44] I'm sure they are.
[1:18:45] they will know about it. Um,
[1:18:48] and separately we do
[1:18:49] forum posts
[1:18:51] Front Porch Forum, and, um, in
[1:18:52] I have an approximate
[1:18:53] list of electronic
[1:18:54] addresses of many people
[1:18:56] in the city, not everyone. I will send it to them. IN
[1:18:59] I have one too.
[1:19:00] emails from
[1:19:01] many people
[1:19:02] along Brook Road. I am this.
[1:19:03] I will do it. Um, you know,
[1:19:04] everyone who tried
[1:19:06] to hold a public
[1:19:07] work, knows that
[1:19:08] need to do this
[1:19:09] a lot and, you know,
[1:19:10] encourage people
[1:19:11] come. We will have
[1:19:12] free pizza, so
[1:19:13] I hope people
[1:19:14] will come hungry.
[1:19:16] Um, we will also have
[1:19:17] demonstration table
[1:19:18] , which will show how water
[1:19:20] moving down the river, and that
[1:19:21] happens when in
[1:19:23] you have a pinch point, and
[1:19:24] Where does this water go?
[1:19:25] Do you know? That's it.
[1:19:26] one of those sandy ones
[1:19:28] tables? Yes. They
[1:19:29] simply amazing when
[1:19:31] you see how much it is
[1:19:32] realistic.
[1:19:33] I'm glad you said that.
[1:19:34] takes a lot
[1:19:35] work for
[1:19:35] installation, but I think it will be
[1:19:37] really good.
[1:19:38] Huge. He
[1:19:39] huge. Show
[1:19:40] people speed of movement
[1:19:41] compared to
[1:19:42] in volume–this is probably
[1:19:43] the largest part
[1:19:44] this.
[1:19:44] Yes. Yes.
[1:19:46] Hmm, yes. That
[1:19:48] takes place in
[1:19:49] October. Result
[1:19:52] this we will do later
[1:19:53] we will use for
[1:19:54] work on new
[1:19:55] zoning plans,
[1:19:56] changes to the city
[1:19:57] plan. Hmm, and yes, these
[1:20:00] parts for the most part
[1:20:02] is our final
[1:20:06] product if
[1:20:07] you want, and we must
[1:20:08] to be completely
[1:20:09] finished with it
[1:20:10] almost to the end
[1:20:11] year. Hmm, and this is probably
[1:20:15] most of our
[1:20:16] work during
[1:20:17] the next 6 months-
[1:20:19] year. Other work on
[1:20:21] the future is
[1:20:21] viewing our
[1:20:22] urban plan. He
[1:20:24] valid until 2030.
[1:20:26] Hmm, that's what it takes
[1:20:28] a certain time to put everything together. Uh-huh
[1:20:33] I would like the choice
[1:20:34] new place for
[1:20:35] city ​​garage or
[1:20:36] the city office was
[1:20:37] quick update
[1:20:38] urban plan, but
[1:20:39] This is not true. I
[1:20:40] reviewed the city
[1:20:41] plan. It is in several
[1:20:42] in different places. But,
[1:20:44] you know, of course, this
[1:20:45] can be done. It
[1:20:46] requires participation
[1:20:47] public and
[1:20:48] communities. This is not what
[1:20:49] planning commission
[1:20:51] and the electoral council
[1:20:51] do it yourself.
[1:20:53] Um, so we're planning
[1:20:54] do it after that
[1:20:55] how do we end this
[1:20:56] grant for
[1:20:57] planning. Then,
[1:20:58] we hope you have
[1:20:59] there will be a grant for
[1:21:00] planning a place where
[1:21:01] there will be a city garage and,
[1:21:03] you know, maybe
[1:21:04] city ​​offices. So
[1:21:05] next year we will look for a grant for
[1:21:07] planning for
[1:21:08] plan update
[1:21:09] cities. Hmm, so this is
[1:21:11] in a couple of years. Ahem,
[1:21:15] and other work, on
[1:21:17] which we, um, work on.
[1:21:21] I shared with you
[1:21:22] with all our drafts
[1:21:23] worksheet
[1:21:24] project. I would be happy.
[1:21:26] to answer any
[1:21:27] what questions about
[1:21:28] this. I would like to
[1:21:29] quickly tell you
[1:21:30] one, some of you,
[1:21:31] maybe they remember,
[1:21:32] what we considered
[1:21:33] demonstration
[1:21:34] a project that we would
[1:21:38] allocated to one
[1:21:39] short month.
[1:21:41] I remember that.
[1:21:43] My God.
[1:21:43] Where are they in Europe?
[1:21:45] everywhere.
[1:21:45] I know. I know.
[1:21:47] And that was just for one
[1:21:49] month, and it was
[1:21:50] looks like plastic
[1:21:51] barricades that are
[1:21:52] temporary, and
[1:21:53] how much is the main thing
[1:21:54] morning sickness.
[1:21:55] Yes. Finally, you know,
[1:21:59] in two years we
[1:22:00] came up with a design.
[1:22:02] They came up with
[1:22:03] design that
[1:22:04] absolutely nothing
[1:22:05] did. And we just, and
[1:22:07] they forced us
[1:22:08] to do a lot
[1:22:09] work, so that at all
[1:22:10] to do it. And the commission
[1:22:11] from planning simply
[1:22:12] said that it wasn't that
[1:22:13] worth it. So we
[1:22:14] postponed this issue.
[1:22:15] I thought, what happened?
[1:22:17] with this project. I
[1:22:18] thought: aren't we
[1:22:19] should have a sidewalk
[1:22:20] this summer?
[1:22:21] This should have been in the past.
[1:22:22] summer. This should have been
[1:22:23] this summer. So we,
[1:22:24] planning commission,
[1:22:26] decided to postpone
[1:22:27] this is a question.
[1:22:29] We hope this
[1:22:30] can be included
[1:22:31] to much more
[1:22:33] Med-
[1:22:34] River, which
[1:22:34] extends from
[1:22:35] Warren to Middle-
[1:22:36] Sex. You know, this
[1:22:40] in five years, but
[1:22:41] it would be great if this
[1:22:43] could help you
[1:22:44] to find out about it. So
[1:22:46] They have a big impulse.
[1:22:48] They have a big impulse.
[1:22:50] That's where it is. Um, then
[1:22:51] the only other aspect-
[1:22:52] this is what from the point of view
[1:22:53] budget, in our
[1:22:54] the budget has always been
[1:22:55] provided
[1:22:56] co-financing for
[1:22:57] municipal
[1:22:58] planning grant,
[1:22:59] and we expect that
[1:23:00] someone in town wants
[1:23:01] apply for
[1:23:02] municipal grant
[1:23:03] for planning. So,
[1:23:04] we're probably doing this again
[1:23:05] let's turn it on. Um, just
[1:23:07] know what it is
[1:23:07] usually goes for
[1:23:08] budget limits of the commission
[1:23:09] from planning.
[1:23:10] Oh, okay.
[1:23:11] Um, and
[1:23:13] when will this happen,
[1:23:14] Liam knows that the commission
[1:23:16] planning has
[1:23:17] approve
[1:23:17] municipal grant.
[1:23:19] So just give us
[1:23:20] him, outline what it is
[1:23:21] like this, and I will be happy
[1:23:22] to cooperate with
[1:23:23] Liam over this.
[1:23:24] How often do you guys
[1:23:25] Are you meeting?
[1:23:26] Once a month.
[1:23:27] How many
[1:23:27] municipal
[1:23:28] grants for
[1:23:28] planning you can
[1:23:29] to receive within
[1:23:30] year? You know,
[1:23:31] maximum two
[1:23:32] active simultaneously.
[1:23:33] That's why I...that's why I
[1:23:35] relied on you,
[1:23:36] so that you get rid of 25, because
[1:23:38] We will have a grant for 26.
[1:23:40] We now have 25 and 26.
[1:23:41] Yes, in
[1:23:42] There are 25 and 26 of us now. I think 25
[1:23:45] ends. Yes,
[1:23:47] we are in the middle of 26. So far
[1:23:48] we are working on 26, we can apply
[1:23:51] and get 27.
[1:23:52] Good. They are with more
[1:23:53] will likely provide
[1:23:55] him, if 25 will be
[1:23:55] closed.
[1:23:56] Yes, it is...Trust me.
[1:23:57] Yes, we will do it.
[1:24:00] I can't sign them,
[1:24:01] like me. You don't need to,
[1:24:03] for me to sign these
[1:24:04] documents for 2025,
[1:24:05] isn't that right?
[1:24:06] I have no idea who
[1:24:07] signs them,
[1:24:08] because this
[1:24:09] that website.
[1:24:10] This is a complex website,
[1:24:11] which is difficult
[1:24:12] press the button.
[1:24:14] Yes, that website. Well,
[1:24:16] very. Yes. Well, well, well,
[1:24:17] they definitely did
[1:24:18] his best. But
[1:24:19] then, it seems,
[1:24:20] The plan was to prepare
[1:24:22] Liam so he can
[1:24:22] to be a budget employee.
[1:24:23] Good. But we really
[1:24:24] need to find out
[1:24:25] because I think that to
[1:24:26] expiration date
[1:24:27] planning grant
[1:24:28] for 2025? I am not...
[1:24:29] culverts.
[1:24:31] These were mostly
[1:24:32] culverts
[1:24:33] and a 5-year plan, so
[1:24:34] What do I remember...Yes. I remember that I
[1:24:36] had to
[1:24:36] sign these
[1:24:37] documents at the beginning,
[1:24:38] and I did it all the time
[1:24:39] wrong or something
[1:24:40] like this.
[1:24:40] And then you need
[1:24:41] sign documents
[1:24:43] on the 26th, which is here
[1:24:44] like this...Okay. It
[1:24:45] housing and...and
[1:24:46] right, add this
[1:24:47] to your to-do list
[1:24:48] which we must
[1:24:49] to do together We
[1:24:50] could do this
[1:24:51] tomorrow when I arrive.
[1:24:52] We could go in and
[1:24:53] just look where
[1:24:54] we are here because it is
[1:24:55] also requires
[1:24:55] final report, or
[1:24:56] Is this already done?
[1:24:57] We don't know about
[1:24:58] Colbert grant. No, this is
[1:25:00] not done. The cat would do it.
[1:25:01] did. The cat would do it.
[1:25:02] did.
[1:25:03] Wait, Kit,
[1:25:04] I sent you...
[1:25:05] So, I sent you
[1:25:06] email
[1:25:07] from Keith and all that.
[1:25:09] He looks pretty.
[1:25:10] completed.
[1:25:10] He also looked
[1:25:11] quite complete.
[1:25:12] So Eric was going
[1:25:13] ask Keith, but
[1:25:14] if you talk to
[1:25:14] By the time the whale was
[1:25:15] you ask him,
[1:25:16] will this be completed, this
[1:25:17] It would be great, right?
[1:25:18] wrong? Because, perhaps,
[1:25:19] everything we need
[1:25:20] to do, this
[1:25:20] download plan
[1:25:21] Culver and some other
[1:25:22] a trifle from him, and
[1:25:23] that's all
[1:25:23] will end, and we will also get our
[1:25:25] final payment,
[1:25:26] apparently,
[1:25:26] Yes? Yes. You don't know.
[1:25:28] I don't know either, but I don't
[1:25:29] I can remember. Good.
[1:25:31] Yes. Good. So, Liam
[1:25:32] learns from Keith,
[1:25:33] What is this? We...
[1:25:34] let's do this,
[1:25:35] and then we too
[1:25:36] Let's set you up for this.
[1:25:37] system on Gears. Yes.
[1:25:38] Perhaps. You already
[1:25:40] Do you use Gears? I, probably work at
[1:25:42] your account,
[1:25:43] but I bet,
[1:25:44] what can you do
[1:25:45] move it to
[1:25:46] your new account
[1:25:47] record.
[1:25:48] Now you are ours.
[1:25:49] I know, but I think...
[1:25:49] I will need it.
[1:25:50] new account
[1:25:51] record.
[1:25:51] Good. OK.
[1:25:53] Liz, I have one more.
[1:25:54] question for Sandy.
[1:25:55] So, Sandy,
[1:25:56] question about chicken
[1:25:57] and an egg. Average
[1:25:59] sex recently
[1:26:01] very good
[1:26:01] tries
[1:26:02] to rely on
[1:26:03] politics and the like
[1:26:04] things about existence
[1:26:05] which we did not know. Therefore
[1:26:08] , chicken and egg in relation to
[1:26:09] city ​​garage and
[1:26:10] potential location, and
[1:26:12] It's great to have Dave here.
[1:26:16] My question
[1:26:17] is that
[1:26:18] because we are at a very
[1:26:20] early stages that we
[1:26:21] everyone needs
[1:26:22] remember that
[1:26:23] will depend on
[1:26:24] urban plan, when
[1:26:25] we will move
[1:26:26] go ahead, just
[1:26:27] opening conversations
[1:26:28] about places and
[1:26:29] potential locations
[1:26:30] etc. What are you up to?
[1:26:34] are conditions added? Yes.
[1:26:36] Of course. And that's why I think: "So, what do we
[1:26:39] Are we obligated to do anything?
[1:26:40] chained because of our...I
[1:26:42] no...I'm not waiting, but
[1:26:43] because of how our...
[1:26:45] it's hard...
[1:26:46] even people in the city
[1:26:47] they said they wanted
[1:26:48] so that their city offices
[1:26:49] were in the village."
[1:26:50] Yes, that's right.
[1:26:50] It is written that the city
[1:26:52] the garage is different
[1:26:53] from city offices.
[1:26:55] City garage now
[1:26:56] not located in the village
[1:26:57] . Therefore, I think that on
[1:27:00] garages are smaller
[1:27:00] restrictions or, you know,
[1:27:02] borders than on urban
[1:27:03] offices. But when you
[1:27:06] started talking about
[1:27:08] what, perhaps, this is
[1:27:09] good place for
[1:27:10] city ​​offices, here
[1:27:11] then it will probably be
[1:27:12] problem with the current
[1:27:13] urban plan.
[1:27:14] Good.
[1:27:15] So, basically, this is
[1:27:16] also applies
[1:27:19] receiving grants,
[1:27:20] for example, they demand from you
[1:27:22] to follow your
[1:27:23] urban plan, right?
[1:27:24] Yes? And therefore, if we
[1:27:26] decided that we wanted to
[1:27:27] so that the city no longer
[1:27:28] used this
[1:27:29] building, us,
[1:27:30] It would probably be very
[1:27:31] it's hard to get a brand.
[1:27:34] Um, if we said,
[1:27:35] what we want to transfer
[1:27:36] this, you know, to
[1:27:37] city ​​garage or
[1:27:38] somewhere else,
[1:27:39] we could write this off
[1:27:40] to the city council. I was thinking rather:
[1:27:42] we know what
[1:27:43] let's see, approximately
[1:27:44] for the next three years,
[1:27:45] from about three
[1:27:47] up to five years. And if
[1:27:48] our plan is not even
[1:27:50] ends by 2030
[1:27:51] year, we need
[1:27:52] to conduct real
[1:27:53] conversations about what
[1:27:55] our previous plans
[1:27:57] What? Well, when...what?
[1:27:58] zoning for Knox-
[1:27:59] road, right?
[1:28:00] Well, I don't think so.
[1:28:01] city...city
[1:28:01] exempt from
[1:28:02] zoning, I think.
[1:28:03] Oh, yes. OK. Wow.
[1:28:06] It,
[1:28:06] I think municipal
[1:28:07] buildings. Yes.
[1:28:09] Oh, well, that's convenient. Well,
[1:28:11] the area is enough
[1:28:12] big,
[1:28:13] you just don't know...i
[1:28:14] I think the residents
[1:28:15] this road exactly
[1:28:16] will resist.
[1:28:18] Well,
[1:28:19] residents of any
[1:28:20] the roads where we do this
[1:28:21] we want.
[1:28:23] You know, I think that
[1:28:24] all this speaks about
[1:28:25] a broader conversation in
[1:28:26] community. We need
[1:28:28] more space. We are not
[1:28:29] we can build on
[1:28:30] swampy
[1:28:30] territories where now
[1:28:31] garage.
[1:28:32] So let's look at this. I know,
[1:28:33] that the committee of
[1:28:34] suitability
[1:28:34] considered this. I know,
[1:28:36] what have you all been considering
[1:28:37] this, but the rest of the people in
[1:28:38] To the right...And that's why,
[1:28:39] when Larry...that's why,
[1:28:40] when Larry writes this,
[1:28:41] I mean that
[1:28:42] people will understand that
[1:28:43] committee on
[1:28:43] suitability
[1:28:44] is already going
[1:28:45] months and says
[1:28:46] just about that. So I know it's so annoying.
[1:28:48] when any
[1:28:49] committee, right? You
[1:28:50] come to
[1:28:51] presentation, and people
[1:28:52] It's like everyone is asking you
[1:28:54] these questions that we already
[1:28:55] found out during
[1:28:56] the first month or
[1:28:57] our two meetings.
[1:28:59] And I...it's annoying
[1:29:00] process, but yes, you
[1:29:02] just need
[1:29:03] respond to
[1:29:03] question, so I think, Larry, you know,
[1:29:06] continued monthly
[1:29:07] when our committee
[1:29:08] tells people that
[1:29:10] we do, then this
[1:29:11] will be useful from the point of
[1:29:12] in terms of selling the idea "it's
[1:29:13] what we need" and
[1:29:15] "this is where we decided
[1:29:16] "place it."
[1:29:21] Yes.
[1:29:23] Sandy, would you like
[1:29:24] share with us
[1:29:25] more information?
[1:29:26] Good. Yes.
[1:29:27] I am interested.
[1:29:28] learn about
[1:29:29] residential complex,
[1:29:30] which fills the area,
[1:29:31] development
[1:29:31] state toolkit
[1:29:32] with visualization
[1:29:33] ADU samples for
[1:29:34] Middle Sex. Or
[1:29:35] Can you do a little?
[1:29:35] tell us about it
[1:29:37] Yes, we did that.
[1:29:37] a few years ago.
[1:29:39] The state developed
[1:29:39] toolkit. They have
[1:29:41] there is a big package
[1:29:42] documents, you know,
[1:29:43] about housing and ADUs, and one
[1:29:45] from such examples
[1:29:46] was in the Middle Ages
[1:29:47] Sexy. He's on Shady Real.
[1:29:50] Hmm, it was there.
[1:29:51] highlighted. Hmm,
[1:29:53] we considered
[1:29:54] development opportunity
[1:29:55] this and the conduct
[1:29:56] conversations about this in
[1:29:57] city-wide, and we
[1:29:58] as if they turned this on
[1:29:59] work before this
[1:30:00] planning grant,
[1:30:01] and I see part
[1:30:02] our work with
[1:30:03] residential
[1:30:03] construction, which we
[1:30:04] ...So this is
[1:30:05] part...Okay,
[1:30:06] understood. Good,
[1:30:08] steeply. Can
[1:30:09] ask a question?
[1:30:11] I mean, I don't
[1:30:12] I know if this is relevant.
[1:30:13] or not, but somehow in Galaxy
[1:30:15] one guest said
[1:30:16] about construction
[1:30:17] housing, but I don't have anything
[1:30:18] I heard it was happening.
[1:30:21] It...
[1:30:22] I don't know. Perhaps,
[1:30:23] it would be good
[1:30:24] invite Russ
[1:30:25] Bennett.
[1:30:26] We're actually...Oh, God.
[1:30:27] He was here with us, hmm,
[1:30:28] only a few months
[1:30:30] so, and he for hours
[1:30:31] talked about his
[1:30:32] projects. Hmm,
[1:30:33] but is everything going well, that is
[1:30:34] nothing
[1:30:35] is happening?
[1:30:36] Nothing.
[1:30:36] is happening.
[1:30:37] No. No.
[1:30:38] OK. I just
[1:30:39] wanted to buy
[1:30:40] real estate near
[1:30:41] Center Road.
[1:30:44] I mean, I think that in some
[1:30:46] moment, yes, there is something there will be, but I don't know what.
[1:30:49] No, I just thought,
[1:30:50] when you said about
[1:30:51] dwelling.
[1:30:53] And another problem for
[1:30:54] me with this project
[1:30:55] specifically consists of
[1:30:56] because he says
[1:30:57] about, um, family,
[1:30:58] for example, about large
[1:31:00] families, at least
[1:31:01] three-room families. And I think we should too.
[1:31:05] needed
[1:31:06] one-room
[1:31:06] apartments for young people,
[1:31:08] to have it available here
[1:31:09] housing, and when they
[1:31:10] are expanding their family
[1:31:11] , they can
[1:31:12] buy bigger ones
[1:31:13] houses that sell
[1:31:14] such
[1:31:15] people like me who
[1:31:16] are dying.
[1:31:17] Right.
[1:31:18] Well, in old age
[1:31:21] our pensioners
[1:31:22] can also
[1:31:22] want
[1:31:23] one-room
[1:31:24] apartments.
[1:31:26] Yes. So, in short
[1:31:27] saying yes,
[1:31:29] we need smaller ones,
[1:31:30] than three-room ones.
[1:31:31] Perhaps none of
[1:31:32] families will not want to live
[1:31:34] here if they
[1:31:34] will close Rome.
[1:31:37] Good. So, if
[1:31:39] no more questions,
[1:31:40] Are there any more questions?
[1:31:41] Sandy regarding the commission
[1:31:43] planning? Thank you for
[1:31:45] all your work,
[1:31:46] Sandy. I know how much
[1:31:47] the time you put into this and
[1:31:49] into the organization, and you
[1:31:50] very,
[1:31:51] Thank you.
[1:31:52] are an attentive member. So
[1:31:53] Thank you.
[1:31:54] Okay, so I just
[1:31:56] I will briefly tell you about
[1:31:57] program
[1:31:57] extraordinary
[1:31:58] situations with
[1:31:59] catchment. So, um,
[1:32:03] I like that
[1:32:04] this is happening, mmm,
[1:32:06] emails
[1:32:07] are coming now, but
[1:32:08] In the end we had to
[1:32:10] m-m write a letter about
[1:32:11] continuation of the project
[1:32:13] until November 2027
[1:32:14] as our ultimate
[1:32:16] term instead of
[1:32:17] November 2026.
[1:32:24] So now we are in such a situation
[1:32:26] condition, um, that all
[1:32:27] homeowners who
[1:32:28] want to participate,
[1:32:29] signed their agreements
[1:32:31] about land ownership.
[1:32:39] There is, um, permission. So there is
[1:32:43] something like that some engineering
[1:32:45] firms require
[1:32:46] permissions, some not, or
[1:32:47] they don't charge for
[1:32:48] them a fee. In any case, one of
[1:32:54] owners
[1:32:54] real estate, that is
[1:32:55] one of them has
[1:32:56] pay 200 dollars, and
[1:32:58] actually the city is
[1:32:59] sponsor of these
[1:33:00] projects. So we
[1:33:06] agreed that the city
[1:33:08] carries
[1:33:08] responsibility for
[1:33:10] payment of this 25%, but we pay for it not with
[1:33:12] own funds. We pay for it with
[1:33:16] owner's funds
[1:33:17] real estate. So we expect the owner
[1:33:20] real estate, when
[1:33:21] The time will come, and we know how much
[1:33:22] we need money
[1:33:24] for the project, send
[1:33:25] this 25%, which the owner
[1:33:26] real estate will send
[1:33:27] check to the town of Middlesex.
[1:33:28] City
[1:33:29] will pay, and then
[1:33:30] it will receive
[1:33:31] compensation from
[1:33:32] of the EWP project. Hmm, well,
[1:33:33] Middlesex city
[1:33:35] will pay all 100%, but
[1:33:36] they will be reimbursed
[1:33:38] 75%. Hmm, and 25% will arrive
[1:33:40] from the owner of the house.
[1:33:43] So, besides
[1:33:43] administrative
[1:33:44] costs and shipping
[1:33:45] checks, city
[1:33:46] actually won't have
[1:33:47] no costs. Hmm, yes.
[1:33:50] permit fee in
[1:33:51] amount of 200 dollars. Ahem
[1:33:54] , and it seems that
[1:33:54] homeowner, um,
[1:33:55] willing to pay this
[1:33:57] fee, and from my
[1:33:58] emails
[1:33:59] it follows that we do not
[1:34:00] we expect to continue
[1:34:01] collection of several
[1:34:03] permit fees of 200
[1:34:04] dollars, and then
[1:34:05] expectation that
[1:34:06] homeowners, you know,
[1:34:07] will have such
[1:34:08] unforeseen
[1:34:09] costs. But in mine
[1:34:10] the last one
[1:34:11] email
[1:34:12] it sounded like
[1:34:13] homeowner
[1:34:13] corresponds to this
[1:34:14] collection. So,
[1:34:16] assuming that this
[1:34:17] will happen, and the gathering
[1:34:18] will be paid, they
[1:34:20] hope that, um,
[1:34:21] it really is, I think,
[1:34:22] um, I don't want to say,
[1:34:24] fantasy, but I don't
[1:34:25] I think that's it.
[1:34:26] will happen this fall,
[1:34:28] but, um, because
[1:34:29] need to get
[1:34:30] too many permissions.
[1:34:32] Request for proposals, um,
[1:34:33] not yet prepared,
[1:34:35] but it is in ours
[1:34:36] on the agenda for
[1:34:37] meeting on October 5. We
[1:34:39] included the item
[1:34:39] agenda for,
[1:34:40] um, Regional
[1:34:41] planning commissions
[1:34:42] Central
[1:34:43] Vermont. We will prepare a request
[1:34:44] proposals. Ahem,
[1:34:46] and we just have time,
[1:34:47] isn't that right? It's like
[1:34:48] the month that you
[1:34:49] need to be carried out,
[1:34:50] to request a quote
[1:34:51] within X days. Yes.
[1:34:54] Before you can
[1:34:55] accept them. And that's why I think that's it.
[1:34:57] postponed if
[1:34:59] we will not be great
[1:35:00] snowless weather,
[1:35:01] you know, until December. Ahem,
[1:35:05] this means that we,
[1:35:06] probably will have to
[1:35:07] put it off until
[1:35:08] next summer, because
[1:35:09] again, how about
[1:35:10] bats? Like, or
[1:35:13] is it possible at all
[1:35:14] to work when
[1:35:15] Are bats settling in?
[1:35:16] No, this work has already been done.
[1:35:17] We already have it.
[1:35:19] done. But I thought,
[1:35:20] What is this supposed to be?
[1:35:21] was done before,
[1:35:22] how bats settled.
[1:35:23] April 7,
[1:35:24] Yes? So, but how?
[1:35:25] only bats
[1:35:26] are settling in, is it possible
[1:35:27] still working?
[1:35:28] Not that it's not on
[1:35:29] root ball. You can't cut
[1:35:31] tree. Tree,
[1:35:32] appropriate cut
[1:35:34] there should have been trees already
[1:35:36] done. So no worries.
[1:35:38] This only applies to
[1:35:39] what I just did
[1:35:40] remembered about
[1:35:40] a serious crime of wood.
[1:35:42] Crime because I
[1:35:42] just went and
[1:35:43] looked at something on
[1:35:44] at the place of preparation.
[1:35:45] They had to do
[1:35:46] cut before it
[1:35:47] will become bad.
[1:35:47] Good. So we all do this.
[1:35:49] done. So, all of this
[1:35:50] was it done, right?
[1:35:51] what, you know, don't give
[1:35:51] Oh my God, there's more.
[1:35:52] one tree that
[1:35:53] it was necessary
[1:35:54] cut down what is possible.
[1:35:55] The root ball, which
[1:35:56] remained, deleted.
[1:35:57] Um, well, it's not a tree.
[1:35:58] This is not a treehouse. It
[1:36:00] as deletion.
[1:36:01] But they need this
[1:36:02] make.
[1:36:02] Well, this...No, this
[1:36:03] there was no...Oh, them
[1:36:04] need to do this
[1:36:05] earlier. I don't know whether
[1:36:06] they need to do this
[1:36:07] . Yes, we wanted that.
[1:36:08] make the past
[1:36:09] year, but then
[1:36:10] bats knocked us down
[1:36:11] confusion. So, by
[1:36:13] In fact, this root
[1:36:14] the lump will stop
[1:36:15] every tree, and then in
[1:36:16] we will be real
[1:36:17] stone on this
[1:36:18] root ball. All
[1:36:20] What I know is that
[1:36:21] engineers, I think,
[1:36:22] know about this
[1:36:23] root ball and
[1:36:24] took it into account in any
[1:36:26] what plan,
[1:36:28] I don't see it in this.
[1:36:29] nothing bad for
[1:36:31] anyone, knowing that
[1:36:32] you can apply
[1:36:33] on competitive
[1:36:34] offers, immediately
[1:36:35] start the next one
[1:36:36] summer, and in any
[1:36:38] in this case you will receive
[1:36:39] good turnout. I just
[1:36:42] I don't think you
[1:36:42] get a good one
[1:36:44] turnout at this time of year.
[1:36:46] They may not
[1:36:47] allow you
[1:36:47] to perform such
[1:36:48] work, as, in my opinion,
[1:36:50] last year,
[1:36:51] rivers and streams, I have to believe that
[1:36:53] after this moment
[1:36:54] you will not be allowed
[1:36:55] to perform any
[1:36:56] work.
[1:36:57] Well, they're all, uh,
[1:36:58] communicate with each other
[1:37:00] one. Uh, and so on,
[1:37:02] but I agree. I am not
[1:37:04] I think that's it.
[1:37:05] will happen.
[1:37:06] I don't give the owners
[1:37:07] houses hope that this
[1:37:08] will happen this winter.
[1:37:10] Uh, but now that's all
[1:37:11] ready for request
[1:37:13] proposals. So we
[1:37:14] we're going anyway
[1:37:15] approve request
[1:37:16] offers on
[1:37:16] next meeting,
[1:37:17] to consider and
[1:37:18] approve it. Uh,
[1:37:20] and, uh, and then we
[1:37:21] let's do the next one
[1:37:23] step. When we do this
[1:37:24] were doing in 2024, was
[1:37:26] one person who
[1:37:27] submitted an application.
[1:37:28] We didn't have it, and I have
[1:37:29] meaning that now
[1:37:30] other times. Maybe in
[1:37:31] there will be a lot of us
[1:37:32] more participants
[1:37:33] bidding, but we have
[1:37:33] one person who
[1:37:34] submitted an application. So, eh
[1:37:35] -eh, here's an update on
[1:37:36] this. Um, we have
[1:37:38] update from
[1:37:38] city ​​clerk. Ahem,
[1:37:40] Bridget provided us with
[1:37:41] report. Um, Bridget,
[1:37:42] if you don't
[1:37:43] you deny, um, you
[1:37:44] also sent to us
[1:37:45] electronic report
[1:37:46] by mail?
[1:37:46] We sent.
[1:37:47] Good. Because I will add
[1:37:49] it to the files, and when
[1:37:50] it's time to serve
[1:37:52] protocol, I will have
[1:37:53] another PDF file that
[1:37:54] you can add to
[1:37:55] protocol.
[1:37:56] Good. Um, so, um, I
[1:37:59] I'll tell you quickly. Ahem,
[1:38:01] so, as I said,
[1:38:02] written report in
[1:38:03] your package. He, um
[1:38:06] , incorrect. If
[1:38:08] someone needs it
[1:38:10] copy, I can have it
[1:38:11] send. Um, uh, in
[1:38:12] basically
[1:38:13] focused on 3
[1:38:14] November. Hmm, but
[1:38:16] returning to
[1:38:17] Wait a minute, uh,
[1:38:18] land records, uh,
[1:38:19] continue
[1:38:20] to be updated. Um, so
[1:38:23] we are processing now
[1:38:24] them when they
[1:38:25] arrive at the office.
[1:38:28] Hmm, I still have it.
[1:38:29] there are problems with
[1:38:31] NUMO availability by
[1:38:32] link from our
[1:38:33] website. Um, and therefore,
[1:38:37] um, I'm working on it.
[1:38:41] Um, one minute I can find
[1:38:43] documents, and the next
[1:38:44] —I can't, and there are two
[1:38:45] individual links, and,
[1:38:46] um, so I'll be there tomorrow
[1:38:47] I'll talk to Cheryl from
[1:38:49] about this. Of
[1:38:52] elections, we have, um,
[1:38:54] ballots for the state,
[1:38:55] which have already been sent
[1:38:56] by mail, um, or
[1:38:57] are sent. Ahem,
[1:38:58] deadline
[1:38:59] submitting applications for
[1:39:00] absentee voting—5
[1:39:02] November. Ahem,
[1:39:08] next term for
[1:39:09] me now—this is the term
[1:39:13] submitting applications for
[1:39:13] absentee voting
[1:39:14] for the military and
[1:39:15] civilians who
[1:39:16] live in
[1:39:17] across the border. So this is
[1:39:18] another step than
[1:39:19] just for the state. Ahem,
[1:39:20] this will happen this
[1:39:22] Fridays. This is the final
[1:39:23] term. There will be three
[1:39:25] bulletins. I turned on
[1:39:26] one of each
[1:39:27] ballot in a package. Ahem,
[1:39:29] I just got one.
[1:39:30] from school
[1:39:31] ballots. They
[1:39:32] will look like-
[1:39:33] different. Two schools,
[1:39:35] career center and
[1:39:36] ballots for U32,
[1:39:37] will look like-
[1:39:39] different, on which there will be
[1:39:40] third banner. Hmm, and, hmm
[1:39:44] , warnings have
[1:39:45] be placed up to 4
[1:39:47] October. Um, um,
[1:39:49] the question that now
[1:39:51] stands before us,
[1:39:52] is what
[1:39:53] will be our procedure
[1:39:54] processing requests for
[1:39:55] absentee voting in
[1:39:57] these school
[1:39:58] ballots? Um, and how are we?
[1:40:00] will send them
[1:40:02] people? I understood from
[1:40:04] other clerks who
[1:40:05] they do it on
[1:40:06] request. Um, but I
[1:40:08] thought we could
[1:40:09] start a conversation
[1:40:10] about automatic
[1:40:11] mailing list, just to
[1:40:13] choose one of
[1:40:14] options. Um, one of
[1:40:16] questions that I would like
[1:40:18] to deliver today
[1:40:19] in the evening, this, um, it
[1:40:20] will arise on, um,
[1:40:21] BCA meetings, um, or
[1:40:23] can we handle
[1:40:24] absentee ballots
[1:40:25] earlier than, um,
[1:40:26] the night before.
[1:40:29] Um, and, um, I'm open.
[1:40:30] for any
[1:40:31] committee decision. Um,
[1:40:34] meeting with the State
[1:40:36] not yet a secretary
[1:40:37] planned. Their
[1:40:38] invited to be
[1:40:39] present today
[1:40:40] in the evening. Um, but they
[1:40:41] really loaded,
[1:40:43] um, trying
[1:40:44] send all this
[1:40:45] mail. So, um,
[1:40:46] Sean is going
[1:40:47] come back to us.
[1:40:48] Another thing about which
[1:40:49] spoke parentally
[1:40:51] association: it was, uh-
[1:40:52] e, a box for
[1:40:53] the vote we
[1:40:54] would place, perhaps
[1:40:55] , along the wall
[1:40:56] buildings so that people
[1:40:57] could make a loop
[1:40:58] and come here, and
[1:40:59] then lower yours
[1:41:01] bulletin, as if you
[1:41:02] put it in
[1:41:02] mailbox, and
[1:41:04] just continue
[1:41:05] voting. Hmm, and
[1:41:07] there was a lot
[1:41:08] phone tags with
[1:41:09] state, and I haven't yet
[1:41:10] decided on this. So,
[1:41:12] if BCA today
[1:41:13] Will look into this tonight.
[1:41:15] question, I just
[1:41:16] I will ask you.
[1:41:16] consider it on
[1:41:18] subject to approval.
[1:41:19] If we him
[1:41:20] we will get it, great. I don't think we should.
[1:41:22] you need to do everything
[1:41:23] it is possible that it
[1:41:24] get, but, um, I think that ideally in
[1:41:26] there would be a moment
[1:41:27] It's very good to have this.
[1:41:30] Hmm, and that's almost it. Hmm,
[1:41:34] again, my
[1:41:35] reports, uh, a lot
[1:41:37] longer than this one. Hmm, yes.
[1:41:42] some new news about
[1:41:43] that, uh, Supreme
[1:41:45] The court voted, uh,
[1:41:46] and, uh, this is the last time
[1:41:48] was it last night or
[1:41:49] the day before yesterday, uh, and
[1:41:50] left the block
[1:41:52] new rules
[1:41:52] voting by mail, e
[1:41:54] -uh, exactly as it is
[1:41:55] was. No requirements for
[1:42:00] our envelopes,
[1:42:01] no list for
[1:42:02] submission, none
[1:42:03] rejected ballots
[1:42:04] . And, um, our
[1:42:05] Attorney General
[1:42:06] was a party to this
[1:42:08] case,
[1:42:08] so I am from
[1:42:09] with pleasure
[1:42:09] I will answer any
[1:42:10] question.
[1:42:11] Perfectly. Thank you,
[1:42:12] Bridget. Um, we
[1:42:13] let's discuss all this
[1:42:14] regarding the elections for
[1:42:15] British Council meetings
[1:42:17] Colombia. Hmm, is there
[1:42:19] some other, um, no
[1:42:20] election-related
[1:42:21] Question for Bridge?
[1:42:24] Good. Thank you, Bridget.
[1:42:26] Yes. Um, and we don't have any
[1:42:28] treasurer's report, because
[1:42:29] she is not here today
[1:42:31] . Um, just quickly,
[1:42:32] cemetery commission...
[1:42:33] seems to be a problem
[1:42:34] decided on her own
[1:42:35] myself, but I think that
[1:42:37] we just need
[1:42:38] know about it. What, um,
[1:42:39] this also happened with
[1:42:40] some FEMA property,
[1:42:42] which belongs to us, where in
[1:42:43] there were, um, people who
[1:42:45] they pitch tents,
[1:42:46] um, on the territory. AND
[1:42:48] exactly on FEMA territory
[1:42:49] no permission; you are not
[1:42:51] you can do anything
[1:42:52] on FEMA property, um. AND
[1:42:54] Zara and I, Zara,
[1:42:55] were able to solve this
[1:42:57] problem. It was
[1:42:58] last summer, right?
[1:42:59] Yes? And then this