[0:11] We'll start with a pledge of allegiance and then, Brad, we'll give the sorry implications.

[0:15] If

[0:19] I'd like to get to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

[0:28] one nation under odd, into this whole with liberty and justice for all.

[0:43] Part of the love it Heavenly Father, we come before thee this evening.

[0:48] We'll found be grateful for the opportunity that we have to govern ourselves.

[0:52] grateful for the freedom which we enjoy and the peace which we enjoy in this little valley.

[1:00] We are grateful for this little area which we live.

[1:04] We ask for thy spirit of protection and community and unity to be upon it.

[1:12] We ask that this evening we will be fair and just and everything that we do and say this

[1:20] the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Brad.

[1:28] If you haven't noticed, what

[1:30] stays is here, there will close the doors. Need to leave. We are welcome to come back

[1:37] into the room. We'll start with our consent agenda tonight. September 1st, regular meeting,

[1:44] this meeting, the warrant list, and also met from the August 18 City Council meeting. Any

[2:05] Thank you.

[2:07] Thank you.

[2:13] Thank you.

[2:13] We'll take a minute down.

[2:15] Anything that is not on our agenda tonight, and you would like to speak to please

[2:19] come to the mic and introduce yourself to you.

[2:23] name in your address. Please keep the comments short. We do have a full agenda tonight,

[2:30] but we do want folks to be heard.

[2:35] I think this should be quick, probably for us.

[2:38] And Joe Mcereard, 1064, Timberick, Gordon Midley. My question observation is,

[2:45] the last paid job on Homestead Road. Copy two years ago now. And then this new paid job

[2:52] here on East Mainland, which is brand-new as fault.

[2:56] I can't imagine either of those meet the international roughness index as a state

[3:02] user.

[3:03] So, when are we going to get an overlay, that's final and actually smooth enough to meet the

[3:10] state requirements?

[3:12] Just an answer to that.

[3:14] It is a smoothness criteria on both jobs.

[3:20] You approved, they did grind some on Homestead two years ago.

[3:26] I think the reason they lowered their standard a bit,

[3:31] next summer they're planning to do a seal coat across.

[3:35] I think from Maine and CERN all the way up to the state park,

[3:41] which will put it in the new road as they said.

[3:46] Okay.

[3:47] And here I had also previously talked about the drainage on the homestead road too.

[3:51] And I've passed that on to you, but in fact we have another meeting next week there.

[4:01] It's up to embryo.

[4:02] We'll bring it up again.

[4:04] Okay.

[4:04] Anyone

[4:10] else? Thank you for coming in for the, uh, I'll bring them up too.

[4:17] All right, we'll go ahead and move into our department reports.

[4:22] And I'll see you on, of course, right here.

[4:25] Park's travel and trees, Michael who's reporting on that.

[4:30] I'm going to report on that one.

[4:33] So, Park's travel trees, we've had meetings every other month this year.

[4:37] I've been at the last two meetings.

[4:40] We do have another member of our staff that's going to be running that in the future.

[4:48] So, Brian out of our building department, what we doing that.

[4:51] So I have gone through the last two meetings and one meeting we went over all of the different

[4:57] open space and trails projects that we have in town and just got the committee up to speed

[5:02] on that.

[5:03] There's some new committee members to make sure that they know all the different projects

[5:08] So we've got, and the last meeting we worked on goals and projects that I want to work towards.

[5:14] One of the projects that they want to work on is the very e-heal part.

[5:19] So we do have a landscaping plan.

[5:21] It was developed by Karlberg.

[5:22] So they took a look at that plan and went over the plan.

[5:25] They liked it generally.

[5:26] They may have a few comments to make moving forward.

[5:30] Also, we talked about just signage for the trails around town.

[5:33] And we may want to do one of those signs around town.

[5:36] So we looked at some renderings of signs that we could use.

[5:41] And so those are some ideas.

[5:43] They also wanted to work on the Hamlet Open space parcel.

[5:47] And so we do have a public access

[5:51] easement on the 11 acres, off a mid-cheat mid-GY.

[5:55] And that would have that's another thing

[5:56] that they would like to look at me, make recommendations,

[5:59] and see the council on how to move forward on that.

[6:01] So those are some items that we talked about

[6:03] part of Cells and Trees Committee. The committee is engaged and we've

[6:10] looking forward to these projects or to the coming year. Any questions for staff?

[6:15] Michael, I'd encourage the committee to look at the the the late. That's not the

[6:20] place park or the heel park. Now the B.D. B.D. Bush has put some berms dressed

[6:28] of what we would love puts in clay, top soil, material, over the pot, rock. They might want

[6:35] to rethink Carl's landscape plan.

[6:38] Yeah, that's good information.

[6:44] All right, thank you, Mike.

[6:47] I'm going to move Diane.

[6:48] We have Mike here with us to give us a visual architectural committee report.

[6:52] Actually, I'm deferring to the medical team on this one, I thought that she was going to have

[6:59] the right result of the historical preservation committee, so I'm not going to be

[7:04] able to see the presentation, but I know he is.

[7:07] Okay.

[7:09] Thank you both for your service this Thursdays.

[7:13] Okay.

[7:14] We've had a meeting in the last week actually for the visual architectural committee.

[7:19] Diane does a great job as our chair.

[7:21] runs a meeting well. And what we looked at over this past meeting was the home set

[7:26] spot. So this is part of the master plan.

[7:30] We are going to come forward with the change to the code, probably October 6, where the visual and architectural committee will make a recommendation to city council, regarding architectural standards instead of staff.

[7:41] So you'll see that code text amendment soon. That's for this item. They did review it. They made a recommendation to staff.

[7:47] And this is the spa building, which is located where the current maintenance building is right now on site.

[7:56] So if you come up Pine Canyon Road and this is a small map right here, there is one access going into the homestead up Pine Canyon Road and it goes to the current maintenance building.

[8:06] The maintenance building has been moved, there's a new maintenance building up on the west side of the creek.

[8:11] And so the current maintenance building will become the spot and it's in a very nice location next to Snake Creek.

[8:20] And here's some renderings of that building.

[8:23] It matches the other new buildings that we have on site at the Homestead.

[8:28] Very much so using the same materials.

[8:31] And so we actually have a materials board right here.

[8:35] It does kind of tie into some of the older buildings that we've got.

[8:39] So, the Virginia House, we have some sighting, for instance, that kind of crosses over from the old to the new, as you go to the homestead in the spa building.

[8:50] So, the spa building, again, is access from Plain Canyon Road, but most of the access will be just coming in from the main building of the homestead, so people generally walk down to the spa building.

[9:04] Also, there's golf carts that will be used on the side, but this is the rendering that the EEC looked at.

[9:12] And they actually did not recommend any changes from what the architect had sent to us.

[9:17] So, so this building is moving forward. Now, we should see the building permit very soon.

[9:23] Okay.

[9:24] Okay.

[9:24] That's the only item there now.

[9:25] Thank you.

[9:27] Appreciate that.

[9:29] All right. Next.

[9:29] So there are a financial report from our, I did office, sir.

[9:42] I have been meeting some, this is just setting off the plan to have me come every month to give a financial summary.

[9:53] It won't be a detailed one and it'll just be a very general one.

[9:58] I'm really excited.

[10:00] The direction the city is going financially and being responsible with the funds that weren't

[10:08] tested.

[10:09] So, as I said, it's just a very generic summary.

[10:13] I have email due to financial statements, which you got in your email.

[10:20] Just in our general fund, our reserves are just shy of a million dollars, our revenue for

[10:26] to live as before I get for eight, and it's in it's year 622 for 80.

[10:32] Our CIP fund, we have just 5,000,000 and the revenue for July was 58,000 and

[10:40] expenditure is 56,000.

[10:45] Our water fund, $9.6 million, revenue for July was 464,000 and our expenditures, it's kind

[10:56] I mean, it was a native, but we received reimbursement spot from MST and then we aggregations

[11:04] and it's the negative $54.19.

[11:08] And in our ICHE fund, our reserves are at 232,467, revenue was the interest that we

[11:17] earned off of the PTIF account and no expenditures were spent in July.

[11:23] Our visitor center fund, when you brought in 27,668, and our expenditures were 28 by 49.

[11:33] I think that's about $800.

[11:39] We received the year-end financials from the accountant, which I emailed to you.

[11:45] Questions that you might have on that report please email me.

[11:49] I will, if the answer is from the accountant, I also want to throw out, if you would like

[11:54] the accountant to come to our meeting, to explain the financials in more detail, they're

[12:01] more than happy to do that.

[12:03] And audit preparation has begun just so you can get on a few items from staff to finish

[12:08] but it's 98% done. I have, it all sent to the account. So I think that's all of

[12:19] the

[12:22] questions from everyone. What led to the plot over time expense and telegraphs?

[12:31] I do not know that off the top of my head.

[12:35] Clean up, so we have that,

[12:41] our asset essential software that creates the work orders for public works is

[12:47] Better development and has gone live and with that there's

[12:53] More than a hundred tasks that have been identified

[12:56] We've been working on some of the stuff that historically has been handled by the engineering department

[13:04] There's also been work been all the parks

[13:10] And that's the majority of the time.

[13:13] Good question.

[13:14] Thank you.

[13:18] Any other questions?

[13:20] Appreciate the efforts.

[13:22] Thank you.

[13:27] All right.

[13:27] Just one thing to note, our September work meeting has been changed to the 14th, which is a Monday

[13:34] at 6 p.m.

[13:37] Michael thinks he needs to be gone Tuesday for it.

[13:41] It says coming off from the mission so he will be gone that evening, so we moved it to Monday

[13:46] That work for everyone

[13:49] Okay,

[13:51] our item five our water exchange program. This will be continued

[13:55] We'll not get into this night with a full agenda, but also we're not prepared completely on this one. It's a

[14:01] portion of the formula that we're gonna be reviewing as we talk about water

[14:06] So we'll continue this one. We'll move the agenda

[14:11] item six, our town square, this is a discussion and possibly approve concepts or ideas for

[14:18] a plan to review the town square. If that might come, we'll turn the time over to you.

[14:23] All right, thank you, Mayor Simon's University Council members of the public. This side

[14:27] and we've had our agenda multiple times at this point. I'm not going to go over the master plan

[14:34] that has been presented has not been adopted

[14:36] by the City Council for my V.I.

[14:39] But our main issue is we have been awarded

[14:42] $600,000 grant.

[14:44] We do need to spend almost $1.8 million

[14:47] in order to keep that $600,000.

[14:50] The termination date for that grant is December 15th.

[14:55] We have applied for an extension,

[14:58] and then we give us another six months.

[15:00] So you have Nancy O'Toole, who was our grant writer here in attendance. I'll thank Nancy for being here. Has that extension been approved or just submitted?

[15:09] They need next week on Wednesday, but it looks like we will get the full extension.

[15:17] Okay, and that would bring us to June 15th, for 2027, which is good, because we do need all the time we can get at this point.

[15:23] Thank you.

[15:24] Can you clarify that date?

[15:27] Is that begin by date?

[15:30] What is that date?

[15:31] Well, what date?

[15:33] The six six six six six six six six six six.

[15:34] That date has to be complete.

[15:36] Complete date.

[15:37] Thanks.

[15:38] We can probably do a little wiggle room, but yes.

[15:41] Hey.

[15:42] I just wanted to.

[15:43] Nancy, when do we expect to get a yes or no answer on the intention?

[15:48] The same day they have the board meeting, which will be next Wednesday.

[15:53] James will just email me is what they do. They have to bring it to the board in order to approve that.

[16:02] Okay.

[16:04] Our main goal tonight, well, our last meeting, everybody was either given the electronic copy of the master plan,

[16:12] or a hard copy of the master plan, the idea was that if you take a look at the master plan and make suggestions on what we should move forward on first.

[16:21] Because we do need to move forward again, this grant that we've received is that specifically for our structure, Nancy.

[16:28] So it has to be a structure that we need to move forward on that.

[16:31] We can move forward on plans for the structure without adopting the master plan,

[16:36] which I think at this point is what we need to do to, because time is limited on this

[16:40] and that can't be over-emphasized that we do not have a lot of time to move forward regarding constructing and building.

[16:47] And so, we do need to make sure the direction we go is regarding a structure.

[16:52] We can add other things to it if we wanted to work on the prominent audit with the parking.

[16:57] That's part of the proposed phase one out of the IBI plan, and that seems like that would be the little hanging fruit to move forward.

[17:04] The part of this doesn't need to be a building, so that's our main emphasis tonight is getting direction.

[17:09] So, we can hire a designer and an engineer to start on the building.

[17:15] So, I was just declared by the total, well, the additional one, okay, so the 600 has to be

[17:23] for a structure.

[17:25] Oh, yep, can may I correct that, please, it's a 50-50 grant, so we have to spend 1.2 only

[17:31] to get the 600,000.

[17:33] Now when I wrote the grant, it was 1.7 because we added a whole bunch of stuff to it.

[17:38] We're talking to them, it's a 50-50 map, so we spend 600, we get 600, so the total cost

[17:44] and only doesn't have to be 1.7, and only has to be 1.2.

[17:47] So that helps you guys out a little bit.

[17:49] You're saying the match is only 600.

[17:51] Yes.

[17:53] And so if you build a building, but 1.2, we're good.

[17:57] But the 600 and the matching 600 minimum has to be for your building.

[18:02] Correct.

[18:03] It has to be for the cons here building.

[18:05] And we'll get the $16,000 we're made from that signature.

[18:10] They gave you 540 and you're going to have to go 540.

[18:19] So regarding the town square plan, we do have a rendering that was created by Mr. Jones

[18:27] of our planning department that looks really nice.

[18:30] So that's something that get excited about right there.

[18:34] This is the plan from IBI, and this is our phasing plan.

[18:39] So we do need to move forward again on on a building,

[18:42] and deciding what this first phase is going to be.

[18:45] I think another goal, definitely,

[18:46] is adopting the overall master plan.

[18:49] And so let me put this on a future agenda

[18:52] to see if we can get an adoption of the master plan

[18:54] plus the phasing plan that we go along with it.

[18:57] Some ideas that we've had regarding buildings,

[19:01] and it's good that Nancy is here.

[19:03] So we can discuss these.

[19:05] And this way, when we're looking at a building,

[19:07] just directly north of us in the chamber here, just outside these windows, having a structure

[19:14] built in this location attached to the community center.

[19:20] We even had stakes put out, and so we could see exactly the location of it.

[19:26] City Council never came to any type of agreement on moving forward with that building,

[19:32] so we've had some other ideas that have exploded.

[19:34] One is converting the existing children building, so this is where all the cooling equipment is into something more than the visual right now.

[19:43] We do have storage of this ambonia on the south end of the building, and that's ambonia when it goes to use service and find out the ice drives over all the headers to that from the children.

[19:54] And that is something that's created damage over time.

[19:56] we had as many to fix that. So one thought is to build a new storage or new addition on the

[20:02] north side of this building. So that's Amboni doesn't have to cross the headers all the time

[20:06] and trade the images move forward. And so expanding this is this building and repurposing it,

[20:13] still going to have the children in it, but making it something more than it is as an option.

[20:18] Also building something on the north side of the the the rank is an option and we talked about

[20:24] sessions, icegate storage, also the support rooms, office, for instance, the warming room,

[20:34] even an observation deck, could be at this location, so that's another option for us.

[20:40] Also expanding just the concrete around the outside of the icegate and where it could be helpful too.

[20:47] So that's something to consider as part of the project.

[20:49] But again, there needs to be towards a structure.

[20:52] We also did have the idea and one of the work meetings that, right now we have some portable

[20:57] buildings that we bring in each year, maybe have some more permanent type buildings, but

[21:03] not the final product, something that's kind of temporary in the meantime to move forward

[21:08] and use the grant money.

[21:09] We need to make sure that that would actually work with Nancy, but to have something that would

[21:14] carry us over for a number of years until we decide fully on what's going to happen with

[21:17] community center and possibly having die-skating facilities as part of the community center.

[21:25] So those are ideas that have been floated, J.C., Council Member Simons and sent me some slides with his ideas.

[21:34] And so we can go over those.

[21:36] But we do need to do need to get some directions soon on this.

[21:48] I'll try to run through.

[21:50] Yeah, that's good that you brought some too.

[21:53] I'll just try to run through.

[21:54] So we were all asked to kind of brainstorm,

[21:58] and a sense, start over, be creative,

[22:01] hold you do if it were you, and so I put together a few things

[22:07] to kind of do that.

[22:10] For me, I started with some 20,000 foot necessities.

[22:14] For sure, we need to use more trees.

[22:17] They need to be carefully placed, right size, right places.

[22:20] so that eventually they come into what we really want in that in that place.

[22:26] I do think we need to think about historical violence.

[22:30] You're preserving what's already great and things like that as we work through it. Obviously Swiss days, as we know as we see, as makes me late on days like tonight, is an issue we have to work around that.

[22:45] So yeah, I think we talked about benches and along the path or maybe some nice little looks with trees or other things that would make it a nice little quiet area.

[22:56] But I think it's amazing what you can do is space when you work with it.

[23:03] So here around uses in mind, some cover spaces, some uncovered spaces.

[23:07] I think some redundant spaces could be useful if the uses were to increase.

[23:13] And then just general connectivity, what does it connect?

[23:16] On the square, around the square, I think those are key issues.

[23:21] So, if you look forward to all.

[23:23] So, as I look at the community center, I still personally think there's a lot of value in looking at expanding to the north of this.

[23:35] I think you could do different things. One thing I proposed here was instead of making the building really large, kind of focus on putting it into space there where it doesn't create a crazy alley.

[23:48] It doesn't block Windows on either side, but to get more usable space, well, I put a deck on the on the one side

[23:56] On the what would be the right side and you can see maybe that I just cut some of them from another spot and ended up there

[24:02] Kind of give an example, and then on the other side

[24:06] It would be an outdoor

[24:08] Open, but covered, societal, and top-covered

[24:12] space, which could be used. You're around for different things. It could be a stage area for

[24:17] performance. It could be, you know, just a seating area during the winter for people to sit

[24:24] in a sunlight protected space. It could really house a lot of uses you around. If you would,

[24:33] I think I covered pretty much most of it. Next one, I asked AI to produce switches. You know,

[24:38] I think we should face lift this building.

[24:41] We talked about it.

[24:42] I can do a better job than AI did on this,

[24:45] but just wanted to show a face lift.

[24:47] This isn't a great AI job here.

[24:50] I've definitely seen better.

[24:52] As far as the new edition,

[24:54] I think we talked about something along these lines,

[24:57] a lot of windows, keeping it to where it feels open.

[25:00] This is just an example of picture I found in the internet

[25:03] that a lot of windows, not really too wide.

[25:07] I think it would have kind of a prominent entrance, but on the sides where you see this house going out.

[25:13] I wouldn't think it would go out very far because outside of the small wings, if you will, call them not.

[25:21] I would put, like I said, maybe open decking or open but covered stage area on the other side.

[25:28] That would be really, we can go to a map again, but just kind of high level.

[25:32] I think the design we were looking at is close. I just don't think we like the exact proportions of things. There were issues with it. Next slide please

[25:42] This is just an example again finding a picture of the internet. It's kind of like that. It's open. This has a brick wall underneath it

[25:49] If we had one it might be just one on one side but really quite open. What that would be is looking out these windows.

[25:56] You wouldn't see this big wall blocking you off. You would see past what I've kind of proposed and you would see this and you would see through this

[26:04] So it would really just open it up

[26:09] There's a lot more to consider. I mean you could put down

[26:12] For performance purposes like a pull down shade that could be transparent or opaque or someone middle next slide please

[26:20] Here's just another example showing you know

[26:23] I wouldn't this wouldn't be like a full-time stage sitting there empty.

[26:28] It could be used year-round for multiple uses.

[26:31] I just showed, you know, chairs and, you know, whatever routes, tables, whatever you wanted to use in that space.

[26:38] So it wouldn't just be a stage space in my mind.

[26:42] Next slide please.

[26:43] And then, so this is just a talking slide.

[26:47] But basically, if you'll move forward, this is just an example

[26:51] of somebody playing pretty good guitarist, playing on stage.

[26:56] But notice there's something hanging behind these guys.

[27:01] So that's what I mean when I'm talking about.

[27:04] You could use some fabric to produce a backdrop or whatever.

[27:09] It could be translucent or it could be opaque.

[27:11] It could be black or gray or something to provide that backdrop.

[27:15] For that use, you could have partitioned

[27:19] accomplish other things as well. Next slide, please. I do think there's a lot of logic

[27:25] and maybe extending on the north of the current building. I don't know exactly where it

[27:31] should go, but it could go here somewhere. I think you could not only help house Zenbole and

[27:38] baby fix that can serve with the entrance and breaking the ice or the headers, not the ice

[27:43] from the headers. It also can function as storage. We talked about where to put the skates and where

[27:49] store the skates and it can store ice skates, rollers, skates, you know, all kinds of things.

[27:56] It wouldn't have to be just a whole example of this.

[27:59] So if you thought of this as an unheated storage space, that allows the other building proposal

[28:06] over here to stay smaller and not really try to accommodate storage in that.

[28:11] Another thing that actually creates here, which is beneficial, I think, is again sort of

[28:19] thought hard about West and South being your sources of sun, right, and summer evenings.

[28:25] So I think it creates a nice little nuke for this proposed other space, which could be

[28:31] a presentation space for, you know, performance space, or just any kind of group gathering

[28:36] space, which would be shaded by this building, and other trees I would place, I'd show them

[28:40] some along the path too, and they would create a more intimate space, and I do think it's

[28:47] done it, but I'm arguing with that's a good thing.

[28:49] You could have multiple groups using the square out of once.

[28:53] As long as they weren't, you know, making loud noises, they could use it at once.

[28:58] Next slide, please.

[29:01] This area, I mean, they proposed originally a pavilion.

[29:05] I mean, you could eventually build one if you want it.

[29:07] You could move the barbecue pit if you want it.

[29:10] We already have a lot there that's functional.

[29:13] We do have a tennis court that's kind of too small.

[29:16] eventually it probably would be replaced. I don't think it matters that much

[29:20] what you do but you do want to make it nice. I think it would be another nice

[29:24] quarter if you again for redundant uses if there was another pavilion there it

[29:28] could be useful. When we're thinking big picture we're not saying we got to

[29:32] build this this year we're thinking vision right where does where did things

[29:36] really fit together kind of big building blocks. So as I look at that space I'm

[29:40] kind of okay with they proposed. I might add some more treaties just to make

[29:45] nicer around that area. If it were me but that's just my thought next please. I have actually proposed move this walk way to the north of the ring. I think it works a lot better with a lot of other things.

[29:59] I've also shown

[30:00] Don't be existing pavilion to remain exactly in the same spot, and that is using a google map. That's pretty darn close to where it is. I'm not positive. I stretched the image to match exactly the proportions, but that's kind of the idea is revitalize it, potentially keep using it, plan, plan for it to be there. If it's ever rebuilt in the same place so that it, um, so that the planning isn't affected by where we put it.

[30:28] So I think it works just fine that there are other advantages to putting it here on the more side.

[30:33] We'll have a more blown up or a step back view.

[30:36] Next slide please.

[30:39] We talked about parking.

[30:41] There's been different opinions.

[30:42] I do think if you're going to put parking on the square right here around the city offices,

[30:47] it's probably the best place to put it.

[30:49] You could get a lot of parking in the space.

[30:53] It's not, I don't think, completely wasted space.

[30:55] I think it's quite useful.

[30:57] The city offices are building busy seven days a week

[31:00] with staff and other people coming and going.

[31:03] It's probably too many spaces for that everyday use,

[31:06] but with other things going on on the square,

[31:09] if it becomes more vibrant and more used,

[31:13] I would think more public would be using the spaces.

[31:16] I think this is certainly a better place than where it is now

[31:18] in the middle of the block.

[31:20] And then by putting it here, you also retain parking around three of the edges.

[31:25] which I would continue to maintain.

[31:28] So really, the square would have a lot of parking,

[31:30] which I think is important for the ice drink.

[31:32] And for other uses, they're willing to promote

[31:35] to have, otherwise, it just makes everything crowded

[31:39] and congested and difficult to manage.

[31:41] So unless or until we have another solution,

[31:44] to me, this is the go-to solution

[31:46] and at least the short to meet the intern.

[31:49] If we've got another nearby lot

[31:51] and to Monday, expand parking off the square,

[31:54] This space could be converted later to something nicer.

[31:58] That's sort of what you can happen.

[32:00] Next, please.

[32:01] Oh, I will just know what the parking and I, you can see here.

[32:05] You know, by putting it there, it actually would connect to,

[32:07] because I've moved the cross-connection up.

[32:10] It connects to down on the south.

[32:12] It connects to it on the other side.

[32:14] And so not only does it provide access to sea offices,

[32:17] but the rest of the square and the pavilion is right there.

[32:20] It actually creates probably a kind of nice little

[32:22] if it were built to look better, a nice little location between the

[32:26] fillet in the sing-offices. And so it's not bad now, but I would

[32:30] see potential there for that being another useful space.

[32:35] I do, we do have the crossing to Centennial Park. One day that might be a

[32:41] good idea to have a raise crossing and maybe even the grass and bullbots that

[32:45] are showing here in Justin's Cubs, if we're encouraging people to use both of these

[32:52] there could be dangerous, right? So I kind of liked the idea of it is a

[32:56] three-street, but it would be narrow down to the point where you're going to go

[33:01] through carefully and maybe you're race-crossing the draw attention to it. I think

[33:04] it makes a lot of sense. But I also think it makes a lot of sense to be right there

[33:09] and to have that other path closer to it. So all the connectivity makes more sense

[33:13] to me like this. Next slide, please. Just the spaces. I'm not even doing anything

[33:20] with the, it would be the Southwest corner.

[33:24] I think it's okay to where it is.

[33:26] I like the things that we do with it right now.

[33:28] We have to be yoga there.

[33:29] We have the farmers market that uses some portion of that.

[33:32] I think it's already being utilized.

[33:34] And it is street side on main.

[33:36] And I like the fact that it's actually open there.

[33:39] And I think that space serves to be purpose as is.

[33:44] So I wouldn't make any changes from that proposal, really.

[33:49] above that what I'm talking about, there's kind of an area of the pavilion, no one

[33:53] can change. I mean, was again, taking a cross that cross street that goes all the way

[33:57] through, the access to the basement of the town hall. I would probably turn it into just sort

[34:05] of the minimal access and that's all it is. So it's not a through row, you don't go through

[34:09] there. We're not going to probably try to keep people off there or how people try to do loops

[34:15] through and connect to this and then go for that or other things, right?

[34:19] But again, just kind of leaving that as somewhat open long area.

[34:23] After making this image, I was thinking, if you can see I plot to tree there to the left of that upper one type first purpose long image.

[34:31] Kind of in front of the south of the pavilion.

[34:34] I'd actually probably not put that tree there, and I'll say what in a second.

[34:39] Next days please.

[34:41] Okay, so number four was where they had proposed really where that tree is.

[34:45] on the right, took to the right of number four,

[34:47] they proposed a fountain.

[34:49] I never really thought a fountain was a good idea.

[34:51] I wasn't the only one who thought that.

[34:53] So I think we're all more or less a ingredient

[34:55] in agreement about that.

[34:56] I do like that space though.

[34:58] I do think you could still put some benches along the side.

[35:01] You could still invite food trucks into the area.

[35:04] You could still put our current visible

[35:07] or some other version of it that was portable

[35:09] and used it in that space.

[35:11] That can face to the one direction.

[35:13] And I think it's nice to have, again, redundant uses and some options as far as different ways you can use these spaces.

[35:23] Next one, please.

[35:27] Okay, so one of the things I took home, I went to the last week to a couch presentation.

[35:33] I think it was last week.

[35:35] And it was good.

[35:37] Just a lot of, again, brainstorming by the students.

[35:40] One of the things that I just took home is a simple, dumb little thing, but I just saw the images of the rings with these string lights, and it looks really cool, it's inviting, and it would look really cool and be inviting, I think, winter and summer, and we talked in not, you know, with the couch kids about uses, they had mentioned roller skating, they had mentioned dancing, they had mentioned musical events, they had mentioned movie nights.

[36:09] I'm sure there are even other things.

[36:12] I did ask them,

[36:13] guys, would you go to the living night?

[36:15] Yeah, we would.

[36:16] Okay.

[36:16] Would you go to dancing?

[36:18] Yeah, we probably would.

[36:19] Would you go to the roller skating?

[36:21] So there were different kids interested in different things,

[36:24] but they said, yeah,

[36:24] we probably would do those things if they were available

[36:28] some of the time.

[36:29] So I think the space could be used for a lot of things.

[36:33] String lights would be a really simple way to jazz it up

[36:35] and just kind of make it nice.

[36:37] and very well lit, but not overly lit for a lot of these activities.

[36:42] Another thing I think is potentially the same structure that supports string lights to make

[36:47] it nice.

[36:48] Also, if you probably have you read up to carry some shade fabric for the hottest part of summer,

[36:56] and again, making it useful for more time of the year and more times of day, the biggest

[37:04] issue with the ice cream is the surface. It's just, it's just not. It's good for holding

[37:09] ice, it's not good for anything else. And so, it's a concern that if we want to give you

[37:14] any of these other activities and utilize that space, we must fix that the surface, it's

[37:20] must feel. But, yeah, just kind of showing the potential. It really strikes me as very, very

[37:28] I don't know where you're interested in.

[37:30] Next. Why have you done it? See? Yeah. Again, I already said, allow multiple groups to use the square at the same time. You know, someone's doing a family group meeting over in this corner, someone's, you know, having another art event over in another corner. I could see that happening. If there were that more usable spaces, why that being, I already mentioned not how do we're usable space, not necessarily part of a building, a lot more open, but yet usable.

[38:01] So the building would be able to bleed out onto the decks is basically the concept there without having to be more filled in.

[38:09] Why build the adaption to the south of the ring already pumped and heated?

[38:14] I would focus on primary uses, not storage for that area.

[38:19] I think putting the deck in debt materials and potentially the stage space there,

[38:25] I think that allows a lot of uses.

[38:27] We'll talk in a second about that.

[38:29] Please, next slide.

[38:30] So basically, all of this at once,

[38:33] I just, I just look at that and say,

[38:35] wow, that ice ring has a stage,

[38:38] potentially, space on the south.

[38:41] It has a more intimate space that can be used to the north

[38:43] on the lawn, the city can use that number four space

[38:47] for food trucks during some of these events.

[38:50] I did it, can be, yeah, thank you.

[38:52] There's probably some stray numbers for my cutting and pasting, but I did attend the concert at the fourth, and it was fabulous.

[39:02] I'm taking hold in this incredible truck, and a stage came up, and it was just amazing.

[39:08] The backdrop was incredible.

[39:11] But yeah, just knowing what you could do with a well prepared space.

[39:16] So I would see that number of four spaces, again being another multi-space.

[39:20] I wouldn't probably cover it because of, I proposed to put that somewhere else.

[39:25] The key reason for that is thinking about the direction of the sun.

[39:31] And yeah, I still think the ice cream closet is the biggest problem,

[39:35] because it's wonderful for winter.

[39:38] How do you make it usable if you're around in pleasant year round?

[39:41] I throw out some ideas for it.

[39:43] So yeah, that's me.

[39:45] If I were to say, I think it's pretty close to what you got.

[39:50] Just make a few tweets.

[39:55] How you doing?

[39:57] Thank you, Jayce.

[39:59] This was an action I have given to everybody just to fill you in on the caps activity.

[40:07] We were invited to participate over at UU.

[40:12] We shared the problem with the opportunity here with Town Square, split into five groups.

[40:18] Several of you did go.

[40:19] I appreciate that.

[40:21] I was up at a power conference in Logan.

[40:22] And I think it's important we do get a younger generation implement, so what this

[40:30] square is going to be and how they felt about it.

[40:34] That's part of it.

[40:36] I was wondering if any I hadn't seen anything else from anybody else, Lisa, Andrew, and anybody

[40:42] else had anything that's been turned in or suggested.

[40:47] I didn't turn my dad a lot of it similar.

[40:53] I just had time to draw it all together, and then I was gone until today, so I'll get it to my home, but it's very, very similar, I think that that, I mean, the biggest thing for me, and you've got it on here is the parking.

[41:13] And I think that to utilize that's huge, I've been going back and forth on the

[41:21] Nord Building versus the South Building and the picture that you showed me, Craig.

[41:27] And I think that there's definitely pros and cons to all of them.

[41:31] I just think we need to just come up with a one.

[41:34] It's going to work and move up there.

[41:38] Okay.

[41:39] Thank you.

[41:40] Andrew.

[41:41] I send a text, I think, to Michael and to you, Mayor, trying to coordinate with

[41:51] COVID-19 standard where local architect designer, pulling together some stuff for this meeting.

[41:59] It's just timing as a workout, but it's in the works, so I'll keep you posted on that.

[42:06] Okay, thank you.

[42:07] Kevin?

[42:07] How

[42:13] is there going to be a different perspective on this?

[42:16] I mean, Michael Lincoln was this master plan created.

[42:22] We did that probably.

[42:23] Well, we started in 2021 and had a present in the City Council in 2022.

[42:30] So we had this master plan for ideas, and the share from a design and planning perspective,

[42:44] I need to say it sounds very critical that there's a saying of a camel is a horse designed

[42:52] by a Canadian and there's a lot of truth in that and I feel over the last four or five

[43:01] years we have a lot of good input. Everyone's going to have different ideas and thoughts on

[43:06] And if we're going to leave it up to five of us to kind of design it and come up with it and agree on every little aspect of it, I think it will never get there, and I think that's what has delayed us quite honestly, and so I would much rather rely on the planners, master planners to kind of come up with the overall concept.

[43:33] We adopt that, and then, as each little phase, you know, in terms of the details, how that's worked out, you know, we can work that out.

[43:43] But, but it should be relied very heavily, you know, with the planners.

[43:48] If you go back to Jayce's suggested that corner,

[43:54] I understand the need for parking, don't get me wrong.

[43:57] I just don't think choking off the overall square with our parking requirements.

[44:06] I'd rather an even if it cost us more to address with acquiring some property to address

[44:14] our parking experience.

[44:15] But if we start climbing all the parking up into here, it takes away, I feel from the plan.

[44:22] We've got to be also careful where we put the buildings.

[44:25] I think it's better to put, if we're going to do, you know, a building here versus here.

[44:30] This is just going to break up the continuity, if you will, the overall square and the openness of the field.

[44:41] But I was suggest that with a tight frame, even if we get the initial six months, right?

[44:48] That's about nine months, and we don't even have a design.

[44:52] and we expect to finish the working drawings, permits, construction.

[45:01] 9 months. No, that's not the suggestion. The idea of the assignment was given was come back with your input and then we would put this in phases and get working. This has been out there for the longest time and I think it's been done and we're going to get it done. We have a opportunity to share the cost with the grant that's been secured through Nancy's efforts. I don't want to miss that. We also don't want to have a big on our face for taking an opportunity and not you.

[45:31] I don't want to miss either, but nine months to complete working drawings, permits, and complete construction and we don't even know what we want.

[45:44] I work the 11th hour. We can't keep driving this on. I think we need to focus on the children building and an expansion.

[45:55] And if there's a way to incorporate the money, the other grant that Nancy has gotten

[45:59] for us, without Nancy, we wouldn't be in there.

[46:04] But I think we need to focus on that, go out, hire someone that is familiar with an ice

[46:13] drink and a structure and begin there.

[46:16] We can't focus on part and today that's not part of the grant.

[46:19] We need to focus on the task at hand, which is creating, and I don't know if we can

[46:24] incorporate an existing building. I don't know if we were to upgrade that building if

[46:28] some of the cost could be utilized to that to make that building a little more

[46:32] appealing. But I think with a money that we have and the time that we have, that is

[46:38] where I would suggest that we start. And then everything else can fall into place

[46:44] after that. And I know that might be peace meal. But Kevin, you just admitted we've

[46:48] had this for five years. It's an awful long time and we have eight months left. It's kind

[46:54] of embarrassing. So I would push back a little bit, maybe Nancy would echo it. Yeah, yeah. But

[47:02] I think it's an economic grant. And we did make some progress on the signing of a building

[47:11] that fulfilled all the goals of a grant. Go ahead and speak, Nancy. If I could really quickly,

[47:16] We got 600,000 from one grant, okay? That's for the building. We got 250,000 for the ice

[47:22] gangric. My suggestion is, based on my next experience I have with grants, is to get a contractor

[47:28] for both projects. Save a lot of money. Once we start, we can, the contractor can hire someone for the building.

[47:35] If we get that emotion and the grant committee sees that we're pushing ahead, I know I can go to them in June and say,

[47:43] you know what, we're 70% done, we're 40% done.

[47:47] But we're getting here, this is our plan,

[47:48] this is our way to do it, and we'll have it done by this day.

[47:51] If we can get that, I think we can save a lot of money

[47:55] and we can still get that, because that's a lot of money.

[47:57] That's 850,000.

[47:59] Why play pay for two mobilizations?

[48:01] Why pay for two, bring it into one project

[48:05] and just start and you let's get it going.

[48:08] And then I can work my magic from June

[48:09] and try to get it a little more time.

[48:11] I'll second your motion.

[48:12] Thank you.

[48:15] So there's, I mean, I think for the economic benefits, we've got a build and aspect of what we talked about for rentals and concessions and just kind of that week management stuff.

[48:31] And so I think we also, I think, could either, if the Zamboni building became a lot less about all that other stuff,

[48:42] just about storage, I don't think it would be an additional cost that was that great.

[48:47] So I think we could probably do both like Nancy says and it's really just a question

[48:53] of deciding, and if this really comes back to master plan, I think.

[48:58] But okay, do we do stuff down by the community center to meet the economic guidelines at

[49:08] grant, along the lines of what we've been saying, but fix the concerns that we've had,

[49:12] which I tend to do, maybe it gets closer, I don't know. If we could get there, that would be

[49:17] great. Or do we re-evaluate putting it up top? And I agree with what Lisa said. I'm sure there's

[49:23] pros and cons. We could talk through those. I mean, I can tell you the reasons why I didn't

[49:29] go with that, but I just think we can do both, but we do need to buckle down. No doubt about it.

[49:36] I think I'm sure I don't want to agree with this aspect as long as and I'm not suggesting anyone is not suggesting this.

[49:44] As long as what we're planning is what we would do anyway.

[49:51] I don't want to create building space that we're just trying to spend letting on projects.

[49:58] I think we can do this if we can make this decision.

[50:05] of it. Is it, can we make it work down here or not? If we really can't, well, then let's look

[50:11] it up there. That's my suggestion. Because I think we were close. We were, we had a couple

[50:18] of serious issues with that design, but I think we were close. I mean, overall, I think, you know,

[50:26] I felt there was a little bit of the mission creep in the design, you know, for that replacement

[50:32] the trailer, you know, for the ice cream pit, that it made it too easy for that to just, you

[50:39] know, expand and expand in terms of its program, really what it was for. If we didn't keep

[50:45] it focused on what the true needs are overall.

[50:51] I'm in full support of that, but let's be efficient

[50:54] and not let it get too out of whack in terms of what I'm hearing you say is based on the

[51:02] grant we have and the need that we focus on the ice-wink and some sort of building to

[51:08] utilize the $600,000 we'll get that going and then we'll reconvene to determine the rest of the

[51:17] square. Yeah, I can really feel that details can happen later. But we do have to have that

[51:23] Can I ask the question so for me right now we are all in agreement that we want to move forward

[51:31] when I get done we have a time crunch so it can't be done it has to be approved by committee

[51:38] but it can't be done by this big of a committee so is the motion when it is made to have somebody's

[51:50] We're heading in, maybe two people from the council, because then you don't have to

[51:56] have meetings.

[51:57] I mean, you know, two people that will spare headed, bring it together, and come with

[52:04] something that we're ready to move with.

[52:06] Then the committee can go down because this is where we've lost.

[52:11] Because we all can't come to meetings without noticing it.

[52:15] We all can't, you know, so how do we, how do we spearhead that?

[52:20] I do think I would just say I think we're very close.

[52:23] I do too.

[52:23] And I also think we all agree that hey, we can't all solve every problem.

[52:30] But we can probably, we can probably agree on what we can agree on, and maybe compromise on some of the other issues and get there.

[52:38] Stig were still close.

[52:40] I can't from experience, but the way that this is this addressed is, we have a program.

[52:47] What important are the critical, you know, wants and needs?

[52:52] Now I feel I don't have a little mission-create in terms of the list of this and I said that and you can do that with anything.

[53:04] You can do that in home-related or commercial use, you name it.

[53:09] Let's keep it to the basics of what's most important.

[53:13] Okay, we put together a steering committee, so I suggest possibly that we take and put two council members on the steering committee and move forward.

[53:20] And somebody make a motion to that and we can get to work with input from planning.

[53:25] All right.

[53:26] So we also going to hire an outside firm to move this forward.

[53:30] I think we need to.

[53:31] It's just different than the steering committee for the town square that met a couple of weeks ago.

[53:36] It could be the same group.

[53:38] To make a motion.

[53:39] To make a motion that we form a steering committee and then we seek proposals for an architectural or engineering firm.

[53:48] that will help in the redesign or improvements of the ice drink and either related to the

[53:54] chiller building or a new building off of this building so we can move this forward.

[54:00] With then we're adding to the first up the council.

[54:04] Could I volunteer that Lisa and I could be the two council members? I think of Lisa and I can

[54:10] agree or pretty close. It doesn't matter who we just need to move.

[54:15] go ahead and make that puzzle. I'll leave the appointment to the mayor. I don't know.

[54:22] Okay, so we have a second.

[54:24] Okay.

[54:27] Are you okay with that, Lisa?

[54:29] Okay.

[54:30] JC, go on here. So we'll add you to that committee and we'll move.

[54:34] So we have a motion.

[54:36] Second.

[54:37] Second. I'll second. I thought I did it.

[54:39] Did you? Second.

[54:41] Okay. JC. Thanks for the second.

[54:43] Aye.

[54:44] Kevin?

[54:45] Aye.

[54:45] Andrew.

[54:45] I, Lisa, thank you.

[54:50] Time is of the essence, so we'll get on this.

[54:54] All right, thank you.

[54:57] That was good.

[54:59] Next item, ordinance 2026-24 of the tribe.

[55:05] Discussed and possibly adopt ordinance 2026-24,

[55:08] making the midway city zoning map to reduce the areas included in the transient

[55:13] overlaid district known as the trot.

[55:17] Final.

[55:18] Thank you, Mayor.

[55:20] This is a proposal to do a land use map

[55:23] amendment or a zoning map amendment.

[55:26] What we're looking at is reducing the area of the transient rental overlaid district.

[55:31] This really stems back a couple of years.

[55:33] We've had several proposals to expand the trot over time.

[55:37] And so we've had public hearings.

[55:38] the City Council Planning Commission have considered those expansions over time and some of those

[55:45] expansions of the Trog World Group, somewhere tonight.

[55:49] And what we ended up is with the General Plan, there was language written into that that we

[55:53] should not expand the Trog, or short-term rental area, and that's what the Trog does is allow

[55:59] for short-term, and also that's rentals less than 30 days.

[56:02] And as we had a work meeting about three months ago, direction was given from City Council

[56:08] the staff to take a look at the land use map and make recommendations where we could reduce the

[56:13] trot and there are positive reasons to have the trot and there's negative reasons to have the

[56:19] trot and we've talked about those in previous meetings we will go over those tonight. The just

[56:24] is kind of an overview. The proposal is to remove several areas out of the trot. What is the

[56:31] trot that lasts for short term rentals less than 30 days? Well, with this due this would eliminate

[56:35] new amplifications in the areas removed from the trot. What about the existing rentals in these areas?

[56:42] Would they be grandfathered in this leave alone conforming they would? And in the trot right now

[56:48] fit the 152 properties that we're looking at taking out of the trot,

[56:53] there are three licensed transient rental units. One is in the commercial zone on the side of Main Street

[57:00] and we'll look at maps where these are located and then there's two up and turnberry.

[57:05] And so, notice that the three could be grandfathered in.

[57:08] Also, we have received three applications for additional use permits, which is required for any transit rental unit application in a residential zone.

[57:19] And these are all along first south.

[57:21] And this is an area that was re-zoned in recent years.

[57:23] And those three property owners, and we'll look at the map, have a flight for the conditional use permit,

[57:28] which per state law they are vested.

[57:30] And they can move forward with those conditional use permits.

[57:32] So essentially out of those 152 that we've noticed, there could be six that we'd be grandfathered

[57:38] in as we go on conforming.

[57:40] So just a little bit of a background on that.

[57:43] So there are three licensed units, three more pending applications that both the planning

[57:46] commission and city council will consider.

[57:49] This is our land use map, and we have areas on the land use map, which is the overlays

[57:56] on for the trot.

[57:56] It's the blue land and the zoom in on it.

[57:59] And so the main areas for the trod are around the commercial areas.

[58:04] You can see a long main street for the C3 and C2 zones and down center street.

[58:09] We have an island over at Johnson Mill.

[58:12] We have another island area, which is around the Alley, which is the mountain spot, property.

[58:18] And then the main area is around the two resorts and upline canyon.

[58:22] So we have the Zermod.

[58:24] We have the homestead, and then we have Turnberg and Turnberg,

[58:27] some other properties in this main overlay district. We also have one where the rising

[58:34] ranch subdivision is. And so that one traditionally has been a nightly rental weeks,

[58:40] the one home that's on site. And then we have one, one more spot. Let's see, I did mention

[58:48] Johnson now. So those are the spots around town where we do have the transit rental overlay

[58:52] district. We very consistently receive phone calls of people who want to buy properties in midway and they want to be able to rent their units on a nightly basis.

[59:03] So we do direct them to the map and people have purchased in those areas based off of the current maps. So that's something to consider.

[59:11] As we look at reducing the area of the truck. Now, again, we did send out 152 letters for all the properties that will be looking at tonight, pull out of the truck.

[59:21] And so they've all received notices if that notice has arrived at their address.

[59:26] We have received a few back, and so we do send them to the address on the tax roll.

[59:33] So it is possible some property owners never received their notice because of that issue.

[59:39] As for the areas proposed for removal from the charade, we've got churned very point unit development,

[59:44] churned very wood's point unit development, midway village PD, rising branch subdivision.

[59:49] There's some two lots and the mountains follow real preservation subdivision.

[59:54] There's also an area in the commercial zone for 100th South, but actually this area.

[1:00:00] On First, South, it's in a residential zone, First South between 50 west, 100 west and then an area in the commercial zone located east of Box preserving road in South of Main Street

[1:00:09] so we'll talk about each one of these individually.

[1:00:12] This first one is Turnberry, in Turnberry Woods, at originally when the truck was adopted back in 2006.

[1:00:19] Turnberry in Turnberry Woods allowed for nightly rentals and so they were included within the boundaries of the truck.

[1:00:26] Before that, there wasn't any regulation from nightly rentals, just generally the North East area of town was the recreational resort zone.

[1:00:34] That was reduced down to the resort zone at that point in time.

[1:00:38] But these two subdivisions did allow nightly rentals. They have since changed their CCNRs to where they do not allow nightly rentals.

[1:00:45] We have two licensed units in this area that would continue as long as they kept their license up and

[1:00:54] There wasn't a ownership change and I bring up the ownership change because the CCNRs for in my understanding for turnberry turnberry was as if there's an ownership change

[1:01:04] Then that does not pass on to the new owner. So taking the units out of the tribe would make it so there wouldn't be any grandfathering at that point

[1:01:11] They would they would lose their license through through the HOA basically is what would happen there.

[1:01:15] With the two that are existing as long as ownership doesn't change, would be grandfathered in.

[1:01:20] So just to clarify, Michael, you're saying that the H.O.A.s.

[1:01:24] Adonting newer regulations, don't super see.

[1:01:28] They do not super see the city.

[1:01:31] Basically, a property owner is subject to both the city code and to the CCNRs of that development.

[1:01:37] But the city would not enforce the CCNRs.

[1:01:40] We would just follow our city code if somebody applied it.

[1:01:47] So I did receive a letter which I included in the packet for a one of the H.O.A. presence

[1:01:52] from Turnberry and support of this change.

[1:01:54] It would match their CCNRs if the city did pull the subdivision out of the trot.

[1:02:03] This area is Midway Village.

[1:02:06] It's on both sides of Pline Canyon Road.

[1:02:10] And initially again, this subdivision did allow for nightly runals.

[1:02:13] They have since changed their CCNRs to where they do not allow those now.

[1:02:17] And so, and I did receive a letter from the HOA president at John Kirkham in support of the change, saying get what align with their CCNRs.

[1:02:27] Have any received any other comments from this subdivision?

[1:02:32] This is a property that is the rising ranch subdivision.

[1:02:38] We do have one home on one of the lots in this development.

[1:02:42] And in that home has been used as a nightly rental for quite some time.

[1:02:47] The home step before the truck was even adopted, rented out the one home on site.

[1:02:52] That home is not licensed with us right now.

[1:02:54] We do have an application that was submitted to the city, but all the requirements have not been met.

[1:02:59] So we have not issued that license.

[1:03:02] We did receive two letters from property owners within this development.

[1:03:07] And those were sent to the City Council.

[1:03:10] I think you received one of those if not both of those.

[1:03:14] Those were sent on toward legal deployment,

[1:03:16] because of the management litigation.

[1:03:19] So Corbin has had a chance to take a look at those letters.

[1:03:24] The one thing about raising ranch subdivision

[1:03:26] is after that subdivision was approved.

[1:03:29] They applied for a blanket conditional use permit

[1:03:32] for nightly rentals for all of the properties

[1:03:33] within this development.

[1:03:34] And so if you have the ability to move forward with an application for a night with reddle

[1:03:41] because that conditional use permit runs with the land.

[1:03:45] So removing them out of the truck would not eliminate them from applying for a transient rental unit license.

[1:03:52] Again, we have received legal response.

[1:03:57] Corbin, do you have any comments on that at this point?

[1:03:59] I think your analysis is correct on that.

[1:04:03] The initial use permit, I think,

[1:04:05] does allow them to move quotes when, if you remove them.

[1:04:09] I think that they're invested under that agreement.

[1:04:13] And so, you can deal with it either way.

[1:04:16] We're bound by the initial use permit,

[1:04:19] or you can just simply not include them in every movement.

[1:04:27] My little thing, that their business license

[1:04:29] laps if it has it ever been an approved. So they received the conditional use

[1:04:36] permit for the second step and that is applying for the transient rental and unit

[1:04:39] license. They did apply that they that has never been issued because we had not

[1:04:46] all the requirements have been met. So there actually hasn't been a transient

[1:04:48] rental unit license for this property that's been active a couple years.

[1:05:02] Yeah it's been

[1:05:03] just to, and maybe you accordingly just clarify,

[1:05:08] and an example, not by this one where

[1:05:11] it was approved under the conditioning use permit, right?

[1:05:18] Or it's not, or it doesn't

[1:05:20] have that, is there a sunset in terms of an existing license ever terminating? So that would

[1:05:31] all under basically non-conforming use.

[1:05:34] And if that license ever lapses for a year,

[1:05:38] then they lose that right.

[1:05:39] So they just don't want to do it.

[1:05:41] So eventually those units, if they were pulled out

[1:05:43] of the trot, and they went to year without using that right,

[1:05:47] then they would lose it.

[1:05:53] Okay, so the next one we've looked at

[1:05:54] is this is around the mountain spot property.

[1:05:58] So we have Omiole, which is in the center,

[1:06:00] this is the resort area.

[1:06:02] And then we have these two rectangles,

[1:06:04] one on the east, one on the west, and there's really only one home in this area in Holly

[1:06:08] Bob Lee, and her husband is here today, and they did send in a letter, and I include that in

[1:06:13] the packet. And then also we have Joel Clark, which is this lot is almost six acre in size.

[1:06:20] So those are the only two properties in this area that's in the trot, initially the resort

[1:06:25] to some covered both of these properties. But as we went through the process of the conservation

[1:06:29] needs when unsighted. We re-reasoned part of the property to residential, but the

[1:06:34] trot boundary did not move. So we did look at areas around town where it seemed like it

[1:06:39] might be reasonable to reduce the trot. And this would reduce these to the unit. It's

[1:06:44] both property owners have reached out to us. They would like to stay in the trot. So again,

[1:06:49] the bodily letter was sent to you. I received a communication with Joe Clark today also

[1:06:55] wanting to stay in the trot. Again, these are just two properties that make sense if they

[1:06:59] they have an issue with being removed that we would leave them just in the

[1:07:04] trot and so that would be stashed recommendations. It's not changed to

[1:07:08] boundary here.

[1:07:13] As for the C, this is the C2 zone. You can see Fox 10

[1:07:18] run over here on the left and they're main street as it curves to the south. Just

[1:07:22] know that the Hamlet. We have had uplook hearings in this area and some of the

[1:07:27] neighbors have been very active on company.

[1:07:30] To the public hearings and expressing concerns with having nightly rentals in this area, because it is a established residential neighborhood where I think about every home is a primary residence.

[1:07:42] We do have one licensed unit in this area that would be grandfathered in, but we did some letters out and we just received letters and support of removing this area out of the trot.

[1:07:53] So what remain is C2 zone, but it would be out of the transient

[1:07:58] runoverly district if approved as presented.

[1:08:03] And then one last area, this is a long first south in between

[1:08:07] center street and first west.

[1:08:08] We had three properties.

[1:08:09] One of them is partially in the tribe.

[1:08:11] This is the HECO property.

[1:08:13] And then we have the Nelson with Go property.

[1:08:15] That was re-zoned to be in the tribe.

[1:08:19] The Folzos to remove them out of the tribe.

[1:08:21] but all three have applications for additional use permits.

[1:08:23] So we did remove them out of the trot.

[1:08:26] They have vested rights with their conditional use permit.

[1:08:29] They would be able to move forward,

[1:08:31] but if for whatever reason they did receive

[1:08:32] the conditional use permit, and they did not act on that,

[1:08:37] whether they didn't act on their transient

[1:08:38] or the license, then that would lapse.

[1:08:41] And they wouldn't have the ability to reapply

[1:08:42] if they were moved out of the trot.

[1:08:44] So that is the last area that for your consideration tonight,

[1:08:49] we did send out two rents.

[1:08:51] of letters. Whenever you have a land use map, a man mentor is owning a

[1:08:55] amendment. There's a public hearing required for the Planning Commission and the

[1:08:58] City Council. So we had a public hearing before the Planning Commission. The Planning

[1:09:02] Commission to Recommendation was to move forward as recommended. But we have received quite

[1:09:09] a bit of correspondence since that meeting. And so, again, that's part of your packet.

[1:09:16] Again, two areas that we would recommend that probably stay within the

[1:09:19] and one is this area around OMELE, it's just two properties, and then this area for the rising

[1:09:27] range subdivision, we've had some legal issues to look at with this one, and so that would,

[1:09:35] because they have that prulink, it conditionally is prulink, it makes sense to leave them, and also right now.

[1:09:40] Any questions? Well, let me be before we go quick here.

[1:09:46] So some of the benefits of short term is just for your consideration.

[1:09:49] to provide you revenue for property owners, it generates transient room tax and resort taxes for

[1:09:55] the city. So we're able to qualify because of the amount of rental rooms in entown for the extra

[1:10:00] 1% sales tax. And so the truck does help us meet that and we did receive a letter which I included

[1:10:06] in your packet saying very strongly that reducing our area for a truck could jeopardize us being

[1:10:15] able to get the resort tax, which, again, is about six of our budget.

[1:10:19] So there's a concern for that to consider.

[1:10:22] It does support local economy by tracking tourist spending.

[1:10:25] Some of the drop-backs for short-term rentals, it creates commercial competition for local

[1:10:29] resorts.

[1:10:29] We have quite a few more hotel rooms and other products in the resort zones that's under construction

[1:10:34] right now, both in Amihale, also at the homestead, and even in the commercial zone, for

[1:10:40] since at South Yale, so those are new rooms

[1:10:44] that will be added to the calculation for the resort tax.

[1:10:48] Again, having a larger trot area creates competition.

[1:10:52] It also introduces neighborhood disruptions.

[1:10:55] And this is probably the biggest thing

[1:10:56] is receive complaints if properties are not following the rules.

[1:11:00] And we do have a mechanism for enforcement

[1:11:02] but sometimes it's easier said than done.

[1:11:06] And then reduces long-term housing supply

[1:11:08] for permanent residents in the town.

[1:11:12] So this is something that we've talked about quite a bit.

[1:11:15] The more homes in the nightly rental pool,

[1:11:18] the less option there is for permanent residents in town.

[1:11:21] And that's a big factor for why many cities

[1:11:23] have eliminated nightly rentals.

[1:11:26] And then it can't be real the city sense of community.

[1:11:29] So you guys might like the general plan.

[1:11:30] Doesn't promote expansion of the truck.

[1:11:32] But this is a step in the opposite direction of reducing.

[1:11:36] Michael, just to clarify here, a home that's in the tribe currently is only allowed to rent

[1:11:47] it out as a short-term rental for the entire home.

[1:11:50] You cannot create two units out of their home and rent out one and live in the other.

[1:11:59] That is correct.

[1:12:00] So it's basically, the shortcoming has to be for the entire home.

[1:12:05] Yeah, that is correct, and that's a clarification we made with the code with the recent adoption

[1:12:10] of the new code probably within the last six months.

[1:12:14] Really, your home isn't built as an apartment, you know, the parking is based off of just a

[1:12:19] single family, home, one family unit, and so that's why we want to make that clarification

[1:12:23] about six months ago.

[1:12:24] And are all the existing licensed, you know, for a few existing licensed as a day, and compliance with that?

[1:12:31] They are the entire structure, and that is correct, yeah.

[1:12:40] I talked about the general plan and won't read that.

[1:12:42] We do have possible findings in support of the change and that possible findings against the change,

[1:12:48] so that's included in your staff report, so we'll not read those.

[1:12:53] Again, we did send out letters for public hearing, as though at the mayor's wish we could do

[1:12:57] that. Any questions from staff before we open up the hearing?

[1:13:04] All right, this has been

[1:13:05] noticed for a public hearing if you have a desire to come to the podium, take a name

[1:13:11] and address.

[1:13:14] Chair Becker, still 1064-Termary Court. We, in Thursday, support the rejection of the

[1:13:22] the states, grandfather, and carbonate won't give us any short-term relief, but I would

[1:13:30] like to propose an addition to this amendment that might be enforceable means of getting

[1:13:36] us short-term relief.

[1:13:38] So just this with the occupational homeowners where we've limited parking space to the capacity

[1:13:45] of the garage and two visible vehicles outside it.

[1:13:50] I'd like to have that exact same parking limitation for short-trow rentals.

[1:13:55] We get 810 and 12 cars out of house, and I'm sandwiched between the two that are intermediary.

[1:14:02] So we don't have to left, but I'm sandwiched between the two, so it's very inconvenient to us.

[1:14:08] So if we could put an ordinance in there that requires part of the limited to the garage space and the more the two visible vehicles outside,

[1:14:17] which is then enforced by a three violation and you lose your permit.

[1:14:22] I think that would help us greatly.

[1:14:26] And we would be happy with being members of the HOA to document violations

[1:14:31] and submit them to whoever we need to.

[1:14:34] But I think that would go a long way in giving us some relief on the inconvenience

[1:14:37] we feel around the short prevails.

[1:14:40] Thank you, Jim.

[1:14:45] So I can respond to that for just a second.

[1:14:47] So item number nine on your agenda, we're looking at specific language for parking of vehicles and transient rentals.

[1:14:57] We want to clarify that language because it could be.

[1:15:00] Mr. Turford it, so that's why this is on the agenda. And so, with that clarification, that'll help us just to make sure we're on the same page. There's only two vehicles that are present outside the transient rowing unit. Also, we did adoptings of the transient unit, rental unit code not too long ago that basically a two-strike policy, if they violate the code twice, and we're going to both the license and then there is a wait period of a year before they can reapply. And so, we're striking up the ordinance to make sure we

[1:15:29] can enforce it better. Thank you, Michael. Any other comments?

[1:15:44] Galzell. My name is Chris Blut. I am an multiple properties in the C2 area and one specific

[1:15:50] property in the C2 area located B.S. at Box 10 in South of May. That is a perconcerration

[1:15:57] for trial removal tonight. Just for simplicity I'll continue to refer to this as the subject

[1:16:04] YouTube. I read my comments. I'm quick background. I'm a local entrepreneur. As of two years ago

[1:16:11] I decided to leave corporate america move to the Hebrew valley and start a small local hospitality business.

[1:16:20] Mike wouldn't let multiple times expressing all my different ideas and intentions for this town.

[1:16:25] She's like as I do love midway, not because this was the more financially stable left decision for me to make.

[1:16:31] I'm here tonight because I strongly believe in the tribe, I strongly believe in 98% of the proposal as it's written tonight and I'm here to discourage the inclusion of 2% which is the soul and only impacted commercial zone impacted by this proposal.

[1:16:54] So, I will propose four questions for Council's consideration and to make one recommendation as to how we could potentially clean this up.

[1:17:07] First question for Council's consideration is to reconsider why was this specific C2 area included as that?

[1:17:16] as eloquently presented to us the entire premise of this proposal has been to focus on

[1:17:24] residentialized zone areas that were later added to the truck after it's finding.

[1:17:30] And I think we're here because the general plan says the truck should not be expanded and for

[1:17:35] all of the one of these properties we're looking at cases where the truck was expanded into residential zones.

[1:17:43] This may, I believe, have been the work of meeting on May 19 through referred to these instances

[1:17:48] as the creep in the trot map, where the boundary line seemed to have left logic and spilled

[1:17:55] into residential areas.

[1:17:59] I'm here to question whether or not there is any precedent for whether or not there's an

[1:18:03] instance where any area of the commercial zone was removed from the trot, and I do believe

[1:18:10] including this commercial area, we'll introduce the first ever precedent for a new type of

[1:18:17] creep that we will see multiple times in the future on the truck map.

[1:18:24] Question 2 for a council

[1:18:26] is consideration that I have here is, probably in the work meeting on the 19th, the truck conversation

[1:18:36] was preceded by discussion around C2 and C3 commercials and amendments.

[1:18:42] Mr. Mayor, in that meeting as well, you gave the $40,000 foot, or $30,000 foot guidance,

[1:18:48] that C2 should encourage keeping existing homes. It should prevent commercial demolition and

[1:18:55] building to maximize square footage, and it should protect green space as relates to the subject

[1:19:02] C2 property. I also agree with a common you may that you see the area near Southfield being a very

[1:19:08] interesting place for people to want to visit in midway. So I stand before you today as a

[1:19:14] commercial investor in the C2 zone, the subject C2 zone on the board here. I stand before you as a commercial

[1:19:22] operator that has tried to follow all the rules. I believe city council record will reflect that

[1:19:28] and the biggest land costs or development costs that I have incurred since that purchase

[1:19:34] is property has been removing a structure and adding green space. All our key goals that

[1:19:40] we have established as a council for the C2 commercials down.

[1:19:48] I'm actually going to, but then the questions are realized. It's duplicative so the last

[1:19:52] question I have for council's consideration is, why does it seem that council has labeled

[1:19:58] me as to call Eulisa a problem child for the area and the only evidence that I could find

[1:20:07] in my many many hours of digging had been the inclusion of the one email and the report

[1:20:13] here submitted by my neighbor who has, like the comments prepared tonight, but I imagine they

[1:20:21] were going to be in one, there was no notification to her. I do remind you, I'm going to see

[1:20:27] to his own.

[1:20:27] It's a permitted use.

[1:20:29] There's new requirement for public notice.

[1:20:32] Second of which, since we bought the property,

[1:20:34] we made it pretty clear to our neighborhood

[1:20:36] that we were thinking about

[1:20:38] and intending on doing short-term rental

[1:20:39] and after eight to 10 months of renovations,

[1:20:43] we finally got to the point where we were able to do that.

[1:20:46] So she has been aware.

[1:20:48] Ever since she has been aware,

[1:20:50] she has made it clear to us

[1:20:51] that she will come to you guys

[1:20:52] to do everything she can to get us

[1:20:55] to stop short-term renting our property.

[1:20:58] And so I'd like to present the letter in the proposal

[1:21:01] as not just a concern neighbor, but a neighbor with a vendetta.

[1:21:06] I would also like to address other points in that letter.

[1:21:10] She accused me of lying to my neighbors.

[1:21:13] That's fundamentally not true.

[1:21:14] I can review neighbors that would testify in that.

[1:21:17] I can show you evidence that would prove otherwise.

[1:21:20] She makes reports of trafficking and parking.

[1:21:25] Yes, we did have one since we had way too much parking on our property.

[1:21:28] This was our second or third reservation back in September of 2025.

[1:21:35] I immediately got an email from Katie.

[1:21:38] She read me the right act in her office.

[1:21:41] And she very timely went through my listing and proposed language,

[1:21:44] and it's to prevent these issues from happening.

[1:21:46] We made those changes.

[1:21:47] We have not, to my knowledge, have had any reported instances of having a problem in what's near a year and many reservations since.

[1:21:57] So I would like to suggest that it's not a case of a problem-child.

[1:22:02] It is the case of the City Council's zoning and enforcement codes actually working.

[1:22:11] She also states in her email that there are 13 households in our street or on our 700D street.

[1:22:20] I agree with that, and yet I can only find testimony from one household.

[1:22:26] I would also like to introduce to the record that I have many.

[1:22:30] Usholds that have reached out and supported me. I have many households preaching out saying, I'm being

[1:22:36] rungly accused and doing bad things. I've had one household, the same number of households that have reported issues, even rent the property from being for their family so they can have a familiar union on our street.

[1:22:49] All this to say, I still support today's amendment. I do think we should remove areas from the tribe that were incredibly added from its institution that is clean up work that should be required.

[1:23:00] And I do have one mission, if Council is so compelled to include this area in the proposal that we'd actually clean this up to make it aligned with the findings and not reduce the tribe of the region in this area to R-11.

[1:23:15] So it is truly a residential zone, and it supports the findings that by removing it from the tribe, it actually returns long-term housing supply to the market.

[1:23:24] Because otherwise by reducing the tribe, purely you have not added additional long-term housing supply to the market.

[1:23:34] And that's all I have for you guys.

[1:23:35] Can I ask where that quote came from? Because we're meeting May 19th. Well, this was brought up on the board.

[1:23:44] I can send you the order.

[1:23:45] that I'm shocked because I really feel like I'm probably the only one up here who doesn't think that the C2 should, I think it should stay.

[1:24:01] So when you said that, I'm kind of shocked and I'll remember seeing that her nowhere came from, but that's okay.

[1:24:07] Yeah, that's why I'm happy to send the audio and also, in that audio, you're with the only person to say it makes sense to include this in the web May 19 award meeting.

[1:24:19] To take the drug out.

[1:24:20] No, to you actually were against producing the drug to start with you.

[1:24:24] But when this came up on screen, you said this one makes sense to you because of the problem child.

[1:24:29] Michael tried to correct you by saying, actually, I think you referred to the other house on the street.

[1:24:34] It was a legalistic, and you said, no, I don't think that's the one.

[1:24:39] Yeah.

[1:24:40] We did have a property at the very end of the Colesac.

[1:24:42] It was illegal.

[1:24:43] We rent it.

[1:24:44] And so we sent it out.

[1:24:45] I don't know about that.

[1:24:46] Out of the C2.

[1:24:48] But I felt like the C2 is the C2 not trucking back.

[1:24:54] So I agree.

[1:24:55] I think you probably understand this.

[1:24:58] But you are licensed with the city.

[1:24:59] If you were to go down the truck, you'd be able to continue as a regular rental.

[1:25:03] I agree with that and that's not my concern.

[1:25:06] My concern is I actually have full intention of purchasing more properties from the

[1:25:09] tribe.

[1:25:09] So I'm worried that we're setting this example of that.

[1:25:12] Any neighbor to the C2 zone can now take and copy and paste the CML templates and

[1:25:17] it to you guys and we're back up here again.

[1:25:21] Thank you.

[1:25:23] Thank you.

[1:25:27] Any others?

[1:25:28] Any other?

[1:25:29] I'm not just just there.

[1:25:31] No, I could.

[1:25:34] Holly Bodley, 688 North, 200 East.

[1:25:39] So, we are one of the two properties that we're in being,

[1:25:42] we put it up already.

[1:25:44] That we're part of the amount of space subdivision,

[1:25:47] and thanks for the consideration that you've already discussed.

[1:25:51] When we did purchase them,

[1:25:53] and thank you for all of the work you guys are doing on this.

[1:25:56] It's a lot.

[1:25:57] But when we did purchase our property, we were part of the resource zone, and that was

[1:26:04] shrunk to the residential, which we are completely fine with.

[1:26:08] We gave up the ability to subdivide because it's conservation, we are fine with that.

[1:26:16] But having that ability, and we honestly have no intention of renting our home overnight,

[1:26:25] for

[1:26:26] ability, and then to have just a couple of lots of singles out when it was originally part

[1:26:32] of that, it just seemed to make a lot of sense. And you know, it takes away some of the perceived

[1:26:38] value. So we would ask respectfully that you do and continue to include the two lots. You mentioned

[1:26:45] Joel contacted you. He also contacted us and asked us to express that just in case you didn't get

[1:26:52] his letter in time, but yeah, we would both like to just continue to keep the designation

[1:26:58] as is because currently we both are basically our next coordinators are overnight rentals

[1:27:06] and we're dealing with the same issues probably that everybody else brings up, so we kind

[1:27:12] of don't want to have that just stripped away from our ability to have that opportunity should

[1:27:19] whatever we need at Bowie. We appreciate all that you're doing and we just like to kind of keep

[1:27:25] a consistent and very across the board in that area. Thank you. Thank you, Holly.

[1:27:38] Hi, my name is

[1:27:39] Jody and Agnes. I live at 35 Stiles 700 East. I am the neighbor with the Vendetta apparently.

[1:27:47] I have spoken a few times in front of City Council. I strongly, strongly support reducing the

[1:27:54] We bought our property seven years ago. We raised children. We have kids. We work very, very hard to live on this road and afford living in midway.

[1:28:04] I had experience as a property manager. I've done it for Vermont. I've done it for Dear Valley.

[1:28:09] I know what it means when you're out of a tell. There's security there. There's staff there to support a property.

[1:28:15] These night we ran also don't have that, and the neighbors are stuck dealing with it.

[1:28:19] I'm loose dogs, to dogs barking, Chris is a property of loud dogs, so they'll just

[1:28:24] read dogs in the yard all day, they bark all day, I've been in my yard, dogs are running through

[1:28:31] my yard, I mean right now there's 45 cars in front of the house, there was the one time that

[1:28:36] there was 15, I contacted the owners directly and said, what can you do? There was nothing

[1:28:41] could do about it. There's 15 cards parked on our street. There's 13 houses on our street.

[1:28:48] You know, we're in most of the homes have kids. This property that will be grandfathered in,

[1:28:55] it's going to happen either way. I understand that, but you know, that I can tell you that

[1:29:00] half the neighbors surrounding it are very much against it. We've expressed that to the homeowner,

[1:29:05] so that's how you know, that's why I guess I haven't been dead of. But I'm just speaking,

[1:29:09] And I personally think it reduces the value of my house, but that's the other hero there.

[1:29:14] I find it extremely disruptive, it adds traffic to our street significantly, back and forth and back and forth.

[1:29:23] And I really strongly believe in all the points that were made about, you know, you have people buying and investing in these homes.

[1:29:32] And I have friends that want to own here, they want to live here and they cannot afford it.

[1:29:37] and these houses are sitting empty on our street of 13 houses.

[1:29:41] You know, they're second homeowners, but they're not there, there was a legal Airbnb's now,

[1:29:47] so people are emboldened to do a legal Airbnb's. We're not getting the tax revenue on that.

[1:29:53] I mean, I just can go on and on on my feelings for it, but at the end of the day, we're raising children on this street

[1:29:59] and there are a lot of...

[1:30:01] I think that's important. I think that the sense of community, the reason why we moved here to bid way, is because it's a small town. It's a community. We have a group text. The reason why the person knows I'm against it is because I've been very, very vocal about it. I'm not mean, I'm not rude. I just say, I don't support this. We've invested a lot of money into our house. We've made it really nice.

[1:30:25] And it's something that I take pride in, and I think this town is great, and I want to make sure that there is still a sense of community here.

[1:30:35] I've actually been able to enjoy the yoga this year. It's been great, and that's part of what I'm in ways about.

[1:30:41] So that's my thoughts. Thank you.

[1:30:42] Thank you, Julie.

[1:30:55] Kevin Rums. I'm actually a chair representing the rising ranch that 4443 home

[1:31:03] set drive. So, thank you so much for listening to the received of phone calls and the emails

[1:31:10] and the letters and everything. Thank you for making comments on that. So, just want to make

[1:31:18] brief statement as to what my client's position is right now.

[1:31:23] A no-comment has been filed against rising ranch and unlike the other communities being removed

[1:31:29] from the tribe, rising ranch has developed and was developed under the tribe.

[1:31:34] Rising Ranch has a recorded property rights to have a short-term rental and the moving

[1:31:40] rising ranch from the tribe would be a violation of those properties, the development agreements

[1:31:45] and possibly its headings and would cause at least $9 million in invested damage.

[1:31:53] That being said, we're just asking that the city expressly ran for the rising ranch,

[1:32:00] and specifically as a hanky or hanky hanky hanky.

[1:32:05] That as you recommended, so thank you so much.

[1:32:08] And as expressed in the letter, litigation is worth the options,

[1:32:11] but we appreciate your consideration on that recommendation.

[1:32:16] Thank you.

[1:32:30] Hi everyone.

[1:32:31] Katie Mulani, 1290, Pine Canyon Road in midway.

[1:32:37] The only one I would really want to speak to was rising ranch and I don't profess

[1:32:41] to know any of the things that are going on.

[1:32:43] I don't need to speak to things that I don't know about.

[1:32:46] But I do know from living in the area that there are complaints about rising ranch

[1:32:51] And I also do know that it's not licensed.

[1:32:55] And I'm understanding from what was said earlier

[1:32:57] that if you take it out of the trot,

[1:32:59] it will still have its conditional use lessons.

[1:33:03] So in that respect, rising ranch where it is now,

[1:33:09] looks like it's an artifact of what used to be the homestead,

[1:33:12] which maybe arguably could be a resort,

[1:33:14] but it hasn't been there for a long time.

[1:33:16] So now it's this island in a residential area.

[1:33:20] And it's not being,

[1:33:26] from living right down the street, you hear the music, you hear the weddings,

[1:33:32] you see the traffic, you see what goes on.

[1:33:35] It hasn't been licensed in a long time.

[1:33:38] So council and pain is for your question about, do we have rules that the whole house has

[1:33:42] to be used for short parental, you can't live in part of it, that's true, but if you're not

[1:33:47] instance, you're not doing it legally anyway, so I don't know. So this is one in which

[1:33:57] why not out of consistency with what you're doing elsewhere, remove it from the trod.

[1:34:02] If they still have their conditional use license, then the question becomes, and I don't know,

[1:34:07] I have not looked into this area, but as I'm sitting here listening to this,

[1:34:10] but then it becomes, you know, if on the future you want to revisit the conditional use license

[1:34:15] because of the behavior and whether it's not the conditions, maybe we'd rest that then.

[1:34:21] But I don't, it doesn't really follow logically to treat this one different from others.

[1:34:27] When I think this one has had some of the worst behavior. Thank you.

[1:34:35] Thank you, Katie.

[1:34:48] The council, thank you for your time. My name's Knappomer. I am at 261 West Pernsfield Road.

[1:34:55] So I'm in the midway village PD and I just here tonight to let you know that I support this.

[1:35:05] Again, I feel like our little subdivision is kind of an island in a residential area.

[1:35:12] And I know many of my neighbors support this and we would ask that you would consider taking our subdivision out of the shop.

[1:35:21] Thank you.

[1:35:23] Thank you.

[1:35:31] Another council.

[1:35:32] Thank you for allowing me to speak.

[1:35:34] My name is Jackson Heron.

[1:35:37] I have finished short-term renter at 30 stops at 700 years.

[1:35:41] My friend and Chris is property.

[1:35:43] I grew up in some of the county Utah.

[1:35:46] And I recently moved back from out of state.

[1:35:48] I am a beneficiary of short-term housing.

[1:35:52] I want to say that it helps people who are in between long-term housing.

[1:35:56] For me, the housing and affordable rates, it introduces people to the community and it stands

[1:36:03] opportunities for those out at the stand, contribute to the local economy and so I support

[1:36:08] retaining short-term housing zoning.

[1:36:11] Thank you.

[1:36:13] Thank you.

[1:36:19] I'm Colonel Jarvis, 474 North, 850 West.

[1:36:23] I live in Jason to the rising ranch.

[1:36:26] And I'm in short.

[1:36:27] There have been, I've seen at least five formal complaints against this property, there have

[1:36:33] been parties that have been 30 cars, there have been, um, obscene music, my house

[1:36:40] myself with steroids, for multiple month of the weddings. There, it's a fire hazard, which

[1:36:47] now has been moved with four feet of dry leads, with the fire pet burning at two in the morning

[1:36:56] at full blast and we had, I mean, his properties and nightmare are in a higher street.

[1:37:02] People do not sleep with their windows up during the summer because of the noise coming

[1:37:07] from this property.

[1:37:08] So I understand it's not licensed.

[1:37:10] There's never been a property manager over all of the years that we've called going back

[1:37:17] before there were never any property manager who were given or never admitted to be the property

[1:37:22] manager in the United States.

[1:37:24] And what was said here was shocking, but that's not the case with that property.

[1:37:31] Thank you, Carol.

[1:37:35] I know where he spoke. I actually just got a text from my neighbor, who is listening and share a writing, who is on the industry, hurt her bodies to get a mayor.

[1:37:45] She wrote listening and thank you for your comments. I wish I could have been there to express my opposition to the tribe. I failed to contact the city council before the meeting, so thank you for representing me from share a writing.

[1:37:58] Thank you.

[1:38:02] Any further comments?

[1:38:03] All right, I'm going to close the...

[1:38:07] Help, stop.

[1:38:11] Sneak it in.

[1:38:13] I'm not going to speak for against any amendments.

[1:38:17] In the 27 years almost that represent projects in front of me,

[1:38:21] we'll say, I think this is the third kind of major time that this has been discussed.

[1:38:25] We'll say in the past, what you've had seemed like it was the best compromise

[1:38:31] that are putting transient rental around the resource, or is the commercial zones.

[1:38:37] There were broads that there were discussions about having it all over the city,

[1:38:42] because, you know, maybe like the garden city model,

[1:38:44] or anybody can rent their house out,

[1:38:45] and it's popular place to go in the summertime.

[1:38:48] That wasn't needed, but it felt like not having any was too restricted.

[1:38:52] This seems to be a good compromise that's worked for a long time.

[1:38:56] And I know you looked at minor tweaks.

[1:39:00] Maybe that's boring and a history lesson that you didn't need.

[1:39:05] But there is some background with why this map is where it's at.

[1:39:11] I would be curious to hear a narrative from either staff or the council of what's prompted

[1:39:16] this to be looked at again after what seemed like it was working for a long period of time

[1:39:22] just keeping it either next to these words or in the commercial area.

[1:39:27] And my fear is a system that waves that what the two resort areas seem to be about as developed as they can be once this construction period ends in the next year or two.

[1:39:39] The only way to keep the transient rental up is if you keep the tribe.

[1:39:44] If you shrink the tribe, there aren't any other resort properties that could be developed to help in their way city with their root ratio.

[1:39:55] Thanks, Paul.

[1:39:58] Thank you.

[1:39:58] One more comment.

[1:39:59] I think that comments were made about pricing.

[1:40:04] Taking that as yes.

[1:40:05] Getting the silence.

[1:40:06] Yeah, brilliant.

[1:40:07] Thank you.

[1:40:07] I just want to make a quick note for the record regarding this case.

[1:40:13] These case comments.

[1:40:14] And also this Carol's comments.

[1:40:18] From what I understand.

[1:40:21] This Hawaii is an attorney.

[1:40:23] She has a poll.

[1:40:25] She is a neighbor.

[1:40:26] of rising range and has put this forth,

[1:40:30] that put this position forth to the Pletic Committee,

[1:40:33] the Pletic Commission,

[1:40:35] asked for

[1:40:39] she drafted all of this

[1:40:41] and is trying to play both sides.

[1:40:45] She is a city employee,

[1:40:48] and we have rising range has not had any weddings,

[1:40:53] asked for the other complaints,

[1:40:55] the complaints themselves,

[1:40:57] if they're coming from the first meeting

[1:40:58] comment that is part of the conflict right there. As far as raising

[1:41:04] ranch is concerned, no one else is called and they have paid

[1:41:07] themselves to have given their personal phone numbers to their

[1:41:10] neighbors for if they're at her any concerns.

[1:41:17] Again, there's a real

[1:41:18] property right record with the land and they're having to discuss

[1:41:21] any legitimate complaints. They've also voiced a a you're willing

[1:41:27] to clients' trees if that is in any way helpful for the

[1:41:33] Freddie potential noise complaints.

[1:41:35] And just one quick question, of course,

[1:41:37] for the record, can you tell us or confirm

[1:41:40] that your client has an active license

[1:41:44] to conduct his business in that building?

[1:41:49] From what I understand the city has that information

[1:41:53] already.

[1:41:54] I'm just asking it looks like you're communicating with your client, because the city has asked

[1:42:00] multiple times, and we've been going for months now, and your client refuses to come in

[1:42:08] and get a license for the record.

[1:42:13] Thank you, Your Commons.

[1:42:13] I'm not sure if this is the proper venue to go into those details.

[1:42:17] Just try to comment on this, Ms. Bologna, Ms. Jarvis, his comments specifically regarding

[1:42:24] And for the record, just so you know, the city has received numerous complaints about this property.

[1:42:32] Fantastic. Well, thank you for your, thank you for that.

[1:42:36] I have enough for the comments. Thank you.

[1:42:42] This is not what I wanted this meeting to turn into.

[1:42:45] I'll be quick. I just want to clarify for the record that I do not work with the city.

[1:42:50] I have not worked with the city for some months. I did use to work with the city.

[1:42:54] And I restrain my comments here tonight to information that I know for my own knowledge and not for working with the city.

[1:43:02] Thank you, Katie.

[1:43:05] I'll answer your question.

[1:43:07] Why has this come before the council?

[1:43:09] It is a problem.

[1:43:11] We have neighbors that have come to us time and time again, especially for the rising branch.

[1:43:16] So the fact that you state that the mic that there's no complaints is incorrect.

[1:43:22] Okay?

[1:43:23] And you're non-compliant.

[1:43:25] The reason we're here is because of the behavior of your client,

[1:43:32] the A-gakers, how many

[1:43:34] acres in the United States, there's seven lots of A-creech, probably a little bit more

[1:43:39] in that.

[1:43:40] The three or four funding lots, we had to clean up because of the fire concern.

[1:43:48] Notice this was sent nothing was done, so public works went in and cleared the lots.

[1:43:55] All right, we have a no fire, no open flame, no fire works, ordinance in our city until next week.

[1:44:04] Many of your neighbors, your clients, neighbors, came to the city and requested through letters and calls to have this issue remedy, nothing was done.

[1:44:16] we had this step in. I have to drive by that property for the last 16 years living here

[1:44:24] in the last 31 years working here. Multiple times there have been late night parties.

[1:44:32] So all the reason we're dealing with this is because it's been brought to our attention

[1:44:36] by many people.

[1:44:45] Are we still close to it? Yeah, I've gotten close to public hearing. Kevin.

[1:44:52] So,

[1:44:55] I guess this question for both Corbin and Mike.

[1:45:03] We've already asked specific property. A condition that used permit.

[1:45:09] If there's been violations, can we not revisit that condition

[1:45:12] that used permit?

[1:45:15] So, conditionally used permits can be revoked. We have to have a really good case to do that, but it is possible for it to be revoked.

[1:45:23] I mean, this is kind of the first bite heard of this, but nevertheless, I mean, this is surprising that there's no license.

[1:45:32] And they're operating short-term rentals.

[1:45:36] I mean, it's just

[1:45:40] why we're letting that happen is beyond me.

[1:45:44] Yeah, we have received complaints.

[1:45:46] We have tried to remedy the situation,

[1:45:49] that communicating with property owner,

[1:45:51] verbally through letters.

[1:45:55] We now have sent that to your attorney's office

[1:45:57] for the end of the review, so that's where we're at right now.

[1:46:00] So we're beginning the enforcement process.

[1:46:01] So can we not revisit that then as a council?

[1:46:09] You would, you could request us to look at it, absolutely.

[1:46:13] Well, we request to look at it to possibly bring back and revisit the condition of use for that.

[1:46:21] I would like to leave an analysis on that that you certainly can give me sure.

[1:46:24] Yeah, directly to do that, I will do so.

[1:46:26] I would like to see that.

[1:46:32] Okay.

[1:46:32] That's not an action item on our agenda, so we could bring that up that our work meeting as an action item and provide direction there.

[1:46:44] I've ready to make a motion,

[1:46:49] discussion.

[1:46:50] Go ahead.

[1:46:53] I recommend that the city adopt, or it is 2026-24, reducing the trust, but grandfathering in the properties that are currently approved.

[1:47:08] approved, including the two lots in the Amirali subdivision.

[1:47:20] There's what the conditional use permit.

[1:47:23] Are we including those or not?

[1:47:25] So anyone that's currently operating as an approved,

[1:47:32] nightly rental, conditionally use, or within,

[1:47:35] that are granted.

[1:47:36] Can I ask clarifying question?

[1:47:39] Is that, I mean,

[1:47:45] Michael, why don't we step down the items?

[1:47:48] You had a list of all those.

[1:47:49] Okay. Let's get specific about what's included and what's not. Okay. So, my understanding

[1:47:57] termary termary, what's this area be removed? Correct. Well, the exception of the two

[1:48:04] grandfathered properties. We have the two that are licensed would be able to continue.

[1:48:09] Kind of kind of just kind of clarify that statement. I don't know the motion makes the exception

[1:48:13] of those properties. They are the exception by definition.

[1:48:18] Yeah, they're they fall under a section to go to include that in the motion.

[1:48:23] So this area would be removed. That's kind of the, that would be the take.

[1:48:27] That would be such a motion ending.

[1:48:29] But there are still two properties that are grandfathered in.

[1:48:32] So how do you make a motion to remove and leave them in?

[1:48:34] Really they fall under section to the code.

[1:48:36] You don't even need to mention.

[1:48:37] Okay. Then remove.

[1:48:39] So, can I just ask, so, are you taking the ones that are in the C2 and taking the drugs off?

[1:48:47] Well, we'll go get a call and raise you one of them.

[1:48:49] So, the next one will be midway village.

[1:48:54] And being removed and being removed.

[1:48:58] Then we have raising branch.

[1:49:02] Questionable, but I think it remains, but we will address it.

[1:49:11] at our work meeting on the 14th.

[1:49:14] Okay.

[1:49:14] When you say remains, you mean remains part of the motion is removed from the tribe.

[1:49:19] No, I think that has a conditionally used permits, so I think we leave it in now, and then

[1:49:23] we need to address the other issues in another meeting.

[1:49:26] Okay.

[1:49:26] So we have covered in the trigger and if we're in a discussion section of the motion, should

[1:49:31] I make a comment now, or is there a better time?

[1:49:33] I'm going to go ahead.

[1:49:36] Based on what I heard,

[1:49:40] I'm thinking if it's removed from the trod, it retains the same rights as others being removed from the trod, meaning if they have a currently valid use, they would continue to be able to do that.

[1:49:56] Whether or not they're current scenario fits that I don't know, but if they fail to apply that would be not our problem.

[1:50:06] I think that if that was removed because they have a condition that used permit, that's

[1:50:14] different in subject and of course different in the separate.

[1:50:18] So there's additional rights under the condition that used permit.

[1:50:23] Versus.

[1:50:23] Because it's already granted.

[1:50:27] So that would be my thought as far as a safe.

[1:50:32] I'd rather than have it. I think it's well-turing though, but what would you, would you add that to your motion?

[1:50:41] So, remove, but the understanding there are current rights.

[1:50:44] There are current rights.

[1:50:45] That's what I'm saying.

[1:50:47] Okay, next one.

[1:50:51] So, this would be the area around Mount Spalmy, only.

[1:50:54] This would be acknowledging that two lots remain in the trial or main end.

[1:51:00] as recommended by stop, dry.

[1:51:06] So, in the C2 zone, south of Main Street,

[1:51:09] from Hamlet over to almost boxed in road,

[1:51:13] leaving up the insurance center.

[1:51:17] That would be removed,

[1:51:20] with the owner's dinner, and there is a property

[1:51:21] that this grandfathered in.

[1:51:24] So, is it there another one?

[1:51:26] There's only one that's licensed,

[1:51:29] and then, on just right there, another area.

[1:51:31] On the other side, another section.

[1:51:33] There's one more second.

[1:51:35] So, it will.

[1:51:38] I have a part tonight with our commercial either.

[1:51:42] We need to take it out of the commercial zone.

[1:51:46] So, I mean, because right now we're taking it out of the tribe,

[1:51:50] so it can't be a negative rental,

[1:51:53] but it can be all kinds of other commercial things.

[1:51:56] So, how do we pick and choose about what commercial...

[1:52:00] I just... I have a plan with that.

[1:52:02] So that would be a different commercial, yeah, we'd have to take that on another meeting, but

[1:52:08] this probably has been zone commercial since the beginning back in 1960, but that would be a

[1:52:13] separate item we'd need to notice to take it out of the commercial zone. I was going to say what Lisa

[1:52:18] saying is this one to me is it's harder to get a grip on. I think the conflicts are its zone commercial

[1:52:28] when it has been for a long time.

[1:52:30] As far as the way it functions, it's nearly entirely residential.

[1:52:37] But it feels strange to cut a little piece out of commercial. That would be the reason, because it's almost entirely residential in function.

[1:52:46] But I hear we're coming from as far as this is like...

[1:52:49] Because on the next piece, the next one we're going to, we're kind of, we're saying, okay, these are commercial

[1:52:58] and we're changing that so it's all the same but I'm just I think we need to clean

[1:53:05] out commercial versus residential and they get what it is because because I

[1:53:13] left safe sure I'm waiting she lives next door and if it's not going to be a

[1:53:26] to you. So then it can be a store, it could be, I mean, it could be any number of commercial

[1:53:35] things. I just think we're kind of saying, oh no, you can't do that. Oh, you can do all of

[1:53:42] these other things. So if it's really a problem, I think we need to address a whole picture.

[1:53:47] So just kind of scary. Can I ask a procedural question of the stop? I don't know if I've ever asked this before

[1:53:55] And I don't know if you would consider this you're making a motion

[1:54:00] Is it possible to continue one aspect of what's before us meaning?

[1:54:05] We'll do all this stuff that maybe take this piece and just delay our decision while more

[1:54:10] What work is done and where thought is done?

[1:54:12] Is that something you can do or does it have to be all or nothing?

[1:54:15] Now, you can take pieces of it and we can just amend the ordinance that's been created to include those areas that have been approved and the other items we can bring them back in a future meeting.

[1:54:27] And if we continue to not have to go through the long cycle if we wanted to bring it back sooner.

[1:54:32] Because maybe we take this E2 up a way to that side of Main Street or to if it's all commercial or if it's all residential because I just feel like all you have the same complaints from the same residents.

[1:54:45] on this residential street when somebody says, oh, now we can't do it in the

[1:54:50] roundabout, but we own that. We're going to make it into a business.

[1:54:52] So kind of a clarification real quick, what could we continue to just the

[1:54:56] chart question if you wanted to look at as separate zoning questions such as

[1:55:01] changing this R1A11 instead of C2, we'd have to go through that whole process

[1:55:05] from the beginning to make that change.

[1:55:07] So could we, yes, right, but could we say we want to change the

[1:55:12] to draw this much tonight, maybe within the next couple of months, maybe make additional changes

[1:55:18] maybe not.

[1:55:19] Yeah, you could do that.

[1:55:20] That will be possible.

[1:55:21] So that's something three hundred.

[1:55:22] I don't know if that's a wise thing.

[1:55:23] I'm just going to, I like to just kind of sever out what what's to for us and this is not

[1:55:32] in any way shape or form trying to do a cool con, you know, one way or the other.

[1:55:38] Clearly, I think what's before us is, from my perspective, what's happened over time, was the

[1:55:45] complaints that we've received of ninth rental rentals in clear residential neighborhoods.

[1:55:53] I mean, a lot of you've heard the story when we moved here, to sub-derivate and to make

[1:56:00] to build our house, we rented a house,

[1:56:03] and it had a reputation as the party house for 90 rentals.

[1:56:09] And all the negative aspects for those

[1:56:11] that were living nearby, expecting to be living next to a

[1:56:16] long-term resident, not someone or a group that's

[1:56:20] different every week.

[1:56:24] So I've seen the mission creep over time

[1:56:28] of making arguments of logic, you know, there's might be Reynolds right next to me that's extended

[1:56:33] over here and that's kind of what's happened over time.

[1:56:36] That's one thing.

[1:56:37] I almost feel one can make the argument here of this commercial portion is almost what's being proposed,

[1:56:45] is just the opposite meaning this was all established to be within C2's own because ultimately

[1:56:51] if it's C2 in the long run, now this maybe decades in the future, you know,

[1:56:57] So all that, the intent with C2, right, is for some

[1:57:02] personal intervention to come in there.

[1:57:07] At the same time, I would argue and say, you know,

[1:57:09] downtown, our mainstream midway, we're smaller town.

[1:57:13] We're not Hebrew.

[1:57:14] I don't think we want to become Hebrew with World of World,

[1:57:16] commercial, you know, all the way up and down.

[1:57:19] But I could see the argument of, hold it.

[1:57:23] If it's done here, then any other neighbor or residence on Main Street could make the same

[1:57:32] argument saying, hold it.

[1:57:33] There's not any rentals going on next to me and I don't like that, and let's cut it out

[1:57:37] of there.

[1:57:39] So I mean, it's almost the opposite kind of what they're doing in terms of the traditional

[1:57:44] residential neighborhoods.

[1:57:46] I just think it needs to be thought through, and not, I mean, we talked about

[1:57:51] spossoling to me. This feels like we're going to take it out of here or

[1:57:55] probably don't, and I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm saying it

[1:58:00] to have it really discuss this as it's on the animal, and it's different.

[1:58:06] Yeah, dear, you're including this in your motion. I don't know what I'm doing.

[1:58:13] Yes, I am including that in the motion to remove it from the

[1:58:17] And if we want to come back and address it and address commercial zones, then we can do that in another meeting.

[1:58:24] But before tonight, this is an article specific to the drop.

[1:58:29] Okay, so we have a motion to understand that motion.

[1:58:32] Yeah, we have one more to discuss this one.

[1:58:35] So those houses were approved.

[1:58:37] Those three houses were previously approved.

[1:58:41] And they're coming before us tonight for conditionally used permits.

[1:58:45] They'll come before you in two months.

[1:58:46] Oh, maybe that's out in the planning commission.

[1:58:48] Yeah, they, the correct though, we go for the planning commission next week.

[1:58:54] So, so functionally there would be grandfathered because they're in the midst of the process.

[1:58:58] Correct, they have a vested application, so that allows them to move forward.

[1:59:02] These are not in the commercial zone.

[1:59:04] Well, the correct, what of them is personal and casual zone?

[1:59:07] Yeah. So, yes, also be removed.

[1:59:11] Okay,

[1:59:13] so, so we have a motion.

[1:59:14] I second the motion and and I have a comment I think the tribe that was introduced as Paul

[1:59:26] made mention of was probably a great idea in 2006 but a lot has changed

[1:59:31] mostly COVID which completely changed in the whole reason I knew who live here since COVID which has made turned, you know, really our community from a

[1:59:41] a second home, little kind of coin town and farmers into a place where clearly it's becoming

[1:59:49] more and more, where people choose to live and as they make it through primary resistance

[1:59:56] because they have, we have Zoome and we have the internet, we have...

[2:00:00] Check my logical advances that I think were expedited by COVID. People are now making it way as we know, their main residence, and we're up against as Mayor suggested, people who have come and are saying, you know what?

[2:00:19] Yeah, wow, what is happening?

[2:00:21] I bought here, and our, sorry, I don't have your name,

[2:00:26] but, you know, may test on it too.

[2:00:30] But yeah, I'm up against people that don't live here.

[2:00:32] I get it.

[2:00:32] We live in a resort.

[2:00:34] But the trial is in direct competition

[2:00:37] to our resorts.

[2:00:40] We've got vacancies, we've got other things.

[2:00:44] And I think that with a long, with more of a vision,

[2:00:48] And I think that we've talked about, and it's a consideration for saying, well, you know,

[2:00:55] what about our resort tax and the future?

[2:00:58] Those things aren't made in a bubble either, because as we talk about the bypass, there's

[2:01:03] that opportunity for midway to maybe grow as new areas across into other areas.

[2:01:09] Let's explore what those look like.

[2:01:11] I'm all for, I support this motion, I second the motion, and I'm for people who live in

[2:01:18] community. Chris, I appreciate you, your comments. You probably, wherever you live, don't

[2:01:26] aren't surrounded by 90 rounds. It's not something that I think is conducive to people who

[2:01:34] live long-term because you want to have a community where you know your neighbors, not people

[2:01:39] are shuffling in and out. And I just want for the record to clear that I support removing and reducing

[2:01:48] the tribe, maybe ultimately completely out of our commercial zone, which could be totally

[2:01:54] separate than the C2 and C3. The tribe is the tribe, but I going forward, I'm totally

[2:02:01] on board and could be fine with it being eliminated from our city and effort to double

[2:02:08] down on people who live here every night, every day, not people coming and going if they want

[2:02:14] comments, see what it's like to live here and stay at one of our beautiful resorts.

[2:02:19] There's lots to choose from and they're amazing. Thank you.

[2:02:24] Thank you. Thank you Andrew. Jason, let's go ahead and take a bow.

[2:02:29] Craig, I apologize. I just want to clarify, just one last time you started

[2:02:35] to understand the motion. So both all the areas that we discussed, which ones are,

[2:02:44] which ones

[2:02:47] All of them would be removed except for this one around bound spot.

[2:02:51] Okay, that's all I'm asking.

[2:02:52] So all of them are removed.

[2:02:54] The motion is to remove all except for this one.

[2:02:58] Okay, yes.

[2:02:58] With the caveat that there are some grandfathered in,

[2:03:01] and there are some conditional useful meds in a part of them.

[2:03:06] Okay.

[2:03:10] This really is a tough one.

[2:03:11] With competing is just in concerns.

[2:03:13] And I think on the books, that's a commercial area, but at the same time, I know it's

[2:03:20] 99% residential.

[2:03:22] And I think maybe it should be, or maybe from commercial, and I think the neighborhood

[2:03:27] would probably agree with that.

[2:03:30] So I'm going to say aye.

[2:03:34] I agree with JC. I want to say nay because not because I disagree with the

[2:03:43] tried issues because this to me should not be in there. It's to me that's

[2:03:49] spot zoning in a way. I understand it's not technically, but we don't, we don't

[2:03:57] Wow, we don't just go say, oh, but we're going to have to

[2:04:00] try it over here because it makes sense, and I'm really

[2:04:04] having a hard time with it, because I think that we need to.

[2:04:10] And is that are we going to, will you make sure that's on

[2:04:14] meeting?

[2:04:16] Because I don't know, I'll follow, yes, but only, I just

[2:04:20] want to make sure that we really address this issue, because I

[2:04:24] I think it's unfair to the neighborhood not to do that.

[2:04:27] Mike, we have that written down.

[2:04:30] Yeah, we can bring that.

[2:04:31] We address this another time, OK?

[2:04:33] Vander?

[2:04:35] I'll start to excuse me.

[2:04:37] What was your vote?

[2:04:38] I was.

[2:04:39] Yes, OK.

[2:04:50] We're coming tonight, folks.

[2:04:52] We appreciate you being here and having a voice.

[2:04:54] There before you want to come in, we'll take a short break

[2:05:01] for 10 minutes and I will be here soon.

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