[0:00] Employee pension, important set of plans. So there's an item on the agenda this evening to approve membership in Colorado retirement association.

[0:14] What this is is we've been looking for quite a while now, about a year and a half, for a different pension administrator.

[0:22] We've been with AIG Valid. It's now corporate financial since about 2006.

[0:30] We're looking for something that I guess may be better for us as a service,

[0:35] as well as more options for our employees, as well as cheaper fees.

[0:42] Colorado Tire and Association checked all the boxes.

[0:44] And so, we'd like to move forward with changing our current pension points.

[0:50] Pensions plan administrative from corporate front to CRA or other part of the system.

[0:58] CRA has been in business since 1968.

[1:01] They have 235 member organizations.

[1:08] They have about 35,000 individual people with money in their pension points.

[1:13] and everyone who talked to them, they're very pleased with Colorado Retirement Association.

[1:22] And so that's kind of just a background on what this is.

[1:27] There's no cost to the town. There's no cost to the member, municipalities, counties, special services.

[1:35] No cost. All the cost is on the retiree employee accounts.

[1:42] similar to what it's like with AIG, but the fees are substantially less for our police.

[1:52] So that's where we would like to go.

[1:58] I think we need a little background on that and answer questions before I throw it all out.

[2:04] get the term meaning. So it's better for you and the cost for us. Yes sir. And how many

[2:13] did you say and how many were the employees? Yeah. I mean they're based right here, they're

[2:18] based right here in Lakewood. They'll, they will meet with employees. The one thing for

[2:27] me personally that's missing is our current. I have control over my money. I have talked

[2:32] often are at and then he puts it where I want to put it in this way, I as well as any other employee that wants to,

[2:40] will have the ability to go in and manage their own funds.

[2:43] Within reason, we give them a certain number of funds or types of funds that they can invest,

[2:50] but then they can do what they want with those funds.

[2:53] It gives you the employees a little bit more power.

[2:59] If they want, you know, the CR would be there if you need to make a phone call or send an e-mail.

[3:09] They'll be there, and it's even better because they're right here.

[3:14] So they have like groups which are the aggressive, the more safe, the bombs.

[3:22] Well, they're rather than making up a meet with you guys.

[3:25] I'm sorry.

[3:25] Well, they've said it.

[3:26] Yes.

[3:27] They're going to send it in.

[3:29] Yeah.

[3:29] They're going to send it in.

[3:30] People are going to kind of get it all over the place.

[3:32] How the process is, is we need kind of politely said that they don't think that they're

[3:38] ever not a free one.

[3:42] But, yeah.

[3:44] Well, and I think that it is.

[3:48] Become Muslim right now.

[3:49] As long as you get everything lined up the way they like it, it'll be okay.

[3:55] But then after that, we'll schedule a time.

[3:58] They'll come out and we'll meet with employees.

[4:00] They'll meet with us as a group.

[4:02] And then they'll break up on individuals as they want.

[4:07] The advantage of it is our employees don't really have to do anything.

[4:13] They have to set up an account and then CRI will take them over.

[4:18] They'll work with the previous administrators because the money will go over.

[4:22] So there's a very, very little actual involvement from the staff until everything is set up

[4:30] and they can go in and do it.

[4:33] So will our employees have like online access to observe there?

[4:37] And then do they get regular statements?

[4:39] But you can think you can offer the option to have a set of ADSL.

[4:46] Do they offer the service where they do modeling so the employee can see in the future, kind of estimate what gap you may have when you retire at 55, 65?

[4:59] Yeah.

[5:00] And they're kind of a total picture organization

[5:08] because people, if they have an retirement from military,

[5:13] they might not have an retirement from a loved one, too.

[5:17] And so what CRA does is if you allow them to see all that,

[5:21] they'll bring it all in together and help you decide

[5:25] what you need to be.

[5:26] an example like, which was really kind of funny, so our current representative with corporate

[5:35] research called me about three, four months ago, and said, hey, now, because you're doing

[5:42] a list of retirement, I would suggest that you move your money to an IRA,

[5:51] and so we

[5:52] talked about it.

[6:10] So it's a little thing like that where we're going to get, we're going to keep, and actually

[6:16] the plan is very simple, both plans, the 401A as well as which is required, but we're

[6:28] But they're actually very simple plans, but we now like, yeah, you can roll this stuff over to the appropriate RRAs and that type of stuff.

[6:38] And we've lined all that out.

[6:40] gives you some options to potentially, you know,

[6:48] use it as a contract position to potentially, you know,

[6:53] contribute more than the standard claim now to retire,

[6:58] to a total of 1A, you know, those types of things.

[7:01] It gives us a little more latitude to work within the rules

[7:06] His, you know, it's all federal government law, but they just don't help us get there better.

[7:17] Any, I've got a couple of questions.

[7:19] One is, have the employees, you talked with the employees about it?

[7:24] Not at this point.

[7:25] We want to get to the point where we are sure it's going to happen before we talk with them.

[7:35] But yeah, that's all on this, so I mean, yeah, yeah.

[7:39] OK, I think I'm going to like those things because the document was something new.

[7:44] What was going on ahead?

[7:45] Well, we talked about it within our staff meeting with our department directors

[7:48] and I'm sure some of that information got, you know, sent out.

[7:55] Mostly employees, I mean, as long as there's a respective account in the place,

[8:02] you know, they're happy.

[8:04] But we need to know more and we need to make sure that the board would be, you know,

[8:10] and says the way to them saying this is what we're going to do and then find out no or not.

[8:18] Yeah, so I see what you're saying.

[8:21] Yeah, I don't know what you're saying but there are going to be any negatives associated

[8:29] You can transfer any fees or exempt fees back and forth.

[8:33] No.

[8:34] What we're going to do is, I won't say no.

[8:38] There is a possibility that what we'll do is,

[8:41] so say you have to be in a certain fund with AIG through September 30.

[8:48] We won't transfer that money out of AIG until we can avoid that debt.

[8:57] So, yeah, so we're already aware that there is that potential.

[9:02] There's, I believe there's a one fine line that has that.

[9:06] But we're just trying to figure out who's there's any investors in that.

[9:09] Yeah, yeah, so that, yeah, we're trying not, the goal we need not have any of that hurt.

[9:15] The other thing they can do is, with information from the account owner,

[9:21] You can transfer it to a student that they need to acknowledge, they're going to need to feed you and all that stuff, but if they want all of their money in one place at one time, that will be an option.

[9:34] As

[9:40] I explained with the employees, he's been, you know, I don't know, you know,

[9:44] away contact and trying to get him out here and, you know, the company has changed so many times.

[9:53] So this one, after speaking to a lot of local menace colleagues that used this one,

[9:59] we met at CML last year. This is where we found them.

[10:06] They're pleased, and that's a big part of it, because like me, I don't follow the stock

[10:14] market.

[10:15] I don't, you know, there's only 20 hours a day, knowledge available.

[10:20] So I need that guide, since I'm here, our guide, it's supposed to guide us, calls

[10:26] me, doesn't even understand our plan, and tells me to do something now, then I can't

[10:32] He would do another five hours, you know?

[10:35] So that's what we're trying to run

[10:38] by me with doing business.

[10:40] I think it'll be a much better service.

[10:43] Oh, I don't think it's a bad thing.

[10:45] I just had my, my perspective.

[10:47] Right.

[10:48] But we had to talk about it in our department director's

[10:51] meetings quite a bit.

[10:53] Because ever since we found him at CML last year.

[10:57] Oh, wow.

[10:58] Yeah, so that's been his thing.

[11:02] Yeah, sounds like it's going to move our employees, so.

[11:05] Are we happy with that?

[11:07] A

[11:10] couple of times that we've changed your videos.

[11:14] This, since I've been here, this is twice.

[11:21] Maybe three times.

[11:22] I think we were with nationwide financial when I started,

[11:27] and then it went to Nexus Financial,

[11:31] And then we went to ballot or AAG, whatever it was at the time, and nothing's changed since 2006.

[12:06] You'll have to do both, Brian.

[12:10] Brian Carey is saying you have to do both.

[12:15] This is new for me to be on Zoom with the back, so...

[12:19] Sure.

[12:20] Hopefully I can do it.

[12:23] Okay, sure.

[12:32] Too many parts.

[12:34] Thank you.

[12:35] Well, thank you.

[12:36] Very good.

[12:39] There's a couple of things we wanted to talk about one that Matt wants to talk about regarding impact fees.

[12:46] Well, give me a minute.

[12:50] We were also talking, just adding on to what we had on here since we don't have a millhouse here.

[12:57] But if you want to discuss some of that, you can.

[13:00] It seems like it won't be until January that the library moves out of that facility to the former middle school.

[13:10] So, and there's time, but my thoughts around it are releases is coming up, and it may have

[13:23] to be adjusted once again once that happens, and so

[13:32] currently they pay us $350 a month

[13:36] and that includes everything.

[13:38] everything.

[13:42] And I don't know what you're feeling is, is that needs to go up a bit.

[13:49] And they need to pay the utilities.

[13:51] Definitely pay the utilities.

[13:52] And so, you know, we kind of figured that out as well.

[13:56] I had asked Wade, and we had to actually go back and pull the utility bills for last year.

[14:06] you know I mean and just electric and gas alone last year we spent just short of

[14:16] $3,600 for the air and and in water utilities it was just short of $900 so

[14:24] So the rent hasn't even covered their utilities.

[14:28] Right now.

[14:28] No, but part of it is because of the library.

[14:31] Yeah, I was kind of worried about that.

[14:34] Right, and the library is an amenity for the residents

[14:39] here, which I'm worried to be at,

[14:42] because they were going to leave.

[14:44] So we kept them here.

[14:46] Now they're going to expand.

[14:47] So that's a big plus.

[14:49] But they don't use as much utility as mailbox users.

[14:52] No, but it's hard to...

[14:55] So, what I would recommend is...

[14:58] any two of these.

[15:00] We write in on such and such a day, the utilities will start being charged, and make that $0.7, I think the life line will be gone by $0.7.

[15:12] You have to put a percentage on that in the total.

[15:19] Oh, because yeah, I don't think that.

[15:21] Yeah, so we're going to get started with all the utilities, we can estimate how much, and then how much the rent will increase.

[15:32] Because, I'm sorry, isn't it, when it expires, I think it expires early?

[15:37] Um, and in May.

[15:39] So, is it, does it go one to month?

[15:43] No, here, here you go.

[15:45] But there's no month to month without a renewal in the lease?

[15:51] No, we don't have.

[15:52] I don't believe there's a month a month in here.

[15:56] It's a license agreement is what is called.

[16:00] I think the terminating on those is what it is.

[16:03] But I'm just saying, we can't just leave that lease

[16:06] in place until the library is out and then do a new one.

[16:11] But I think it would be easy enough to do, OK,

[16:14] We're just going to go down here and then upon the date that the...

[16:20] Can we do a portion of the utilities?

[16:23] Does it fill the library room some?

[16:27] It's hard to know what that exact portion is.

[16:30] Even if you just split it down a little.

[16:32] We'll do 50% of it.

[16:35] One of the things is though, is there's no commissary agreement.

[16:38] There are a lot to use in the kitchen.

[16:40] But along with that, they're getting the trash services, the use of the dishwasher, the oven, and those things.

[16:47] So that's why I would not like to at least run.

[16:51] And then it needs to be one minute.

[16:55] Yeah, because it has to, we have to start considering the cover of their work with the trash that they use.

[17:06] So the tax payers should not be paying for a business to run?

[17:12] No, they shouldn't be subsidizing.

[17:14] The reason why we did it in the first place was just to get something active in there to increase the people coming into the library.

[17:24] So that's worthwhile for the last three years or whatever it's been.

[17:29] but it should still layer that it's obviously a successful business.

[17:36] What's the commercial square footage rate in the town?

[17:39] That's what I was going to ask.

[17:40] I don't know how that is.

[17:43] I was going to check with them.

[17:44] Yeah, if you could check out the different events.

[17:49] I know what I paid, and I know what I paid across the street.

[17:53] So when we rented where Colic and Joseph's, we paid $6,500 a month and now we left in 2015, so 10 years ago, $6,600 a month.

[18:04] I don't remember what the square footage was.

[18:09] Because you've got the square footage up and down.

[18:13] Yeah, I pay $5,500 for my little tiny space where I'm at right now.

[18:20] And then in Trader's Junction, there are like, like, re-gallicisms.

[18:26] Yeah, but that's secret in the Metro District too, except on that.

[18:30] No? Trader's Junction?

[18:31] Yeah.

[18:32] They were there before the Metro District came in?

[18:35] No.

[18:35] They're part of the Metro District.

[18:37] They carry...

[18:38] When?

[18:39] When is it all over?

[18:41] Yeah, but I'm not in the Metro District.

[18:43] No, you're not there.

[18:44] No.

[18:45] Oh, I'm not.

[18:46] In my house as well.

[18:51] It doesn't have anything to do with the type of house bill. It has to do with the way

[18:58] they need the district or something.

[19:05] No.

[19:08] No.

[19:09] No.

[19:09] What does that mean for the residents of town?

[19:12] Well, the biggest thing I see is not only is the space,

[19:15] they're all the additional uses of the kitchen equipment.

[19:19] And obviously, that equipment is there.

[19:21] They're other illnesses, but the increase used

[19:25] is going to cause the town to need to buy a new place

[19:29] to be able to replace it.

[19:31] And it's not really going to, you know,

[19:34] we just need to be in a position

[19:35] to replace that equipment with it.

[19:38] We don't need to make money out of the house, but we need to make sure that things are being paid for.

[19:47] I think the 25% of the electric bill and then the gas and water would be reasonable at this point

[19:54] because there's four refrigerators or free refrigerators.

[19:59] There's one refrigerator upstairs in the kitchen up here.

[20:03] There's like, we're freezers downstairs for the record.

[20:06] At LL, says the library.

[20:08] At LL, it's in the basement, yeah.

[20:10] So I wanted to go to my personal library.

[20:12] Well, we can't gauge how much the library.

[20:16] But since the library has refrigerators and refrigerators,

[20:19] I'm sorry, what does the library have refrigerators and refrigerators?

[20:22] I don't know.

[20:23] Pretty low, old-fashioned.

[20:24] Yeah.

[20:25] It's the same.

[20:26] It's the same.

[20:28] And so, 50% of LL, I would say, if we went on 52%.

[20:33] I think that's fair. If I were a businessman, I'd weigh that.

[20:38] 75 percent.

[20:42] We're going to get to 100 percent.

[20:44] On top of that, they're using the town hall resources as well.

[20:50] It's not just liable, so 50, and I think that's more than reasonable.

[20:56] I mean, I didn't even see the fans.

[21:00] I would say that if you don't know the word about a business owner, it's a business,

[21:16] they have three years to build a business.

[21:18] And so if they can't afford to pay to be a business then they shouldn't be a business.

[21:45] The building itself, you know, it's town halls, you know, we're not paying a mortgage on

[22:22] I would say it's 4,000.

[22:25] I would say it's 255,000.

[22:28] Wait, wait.

[22:29] 300, they're going to be 3.3 million.

[22:31] Hey, they're going to be 3,000.

[22:33] This is 3,000.

[22:34] Okay, so this is the average.

[22:37] The month-long average for utilities.

[22:39] So we would start our charge.

[22:40] $350 per month.

[22:42] So currently right now, with that,

[22:45] we're just covering utilities.

[22:46] Right, right.

[22:47] Right, right.

[22:48] That's what I'm saying.

[22:49] Yeah, that's that.

[22:50] will be taken in the water on top of it.

[22:53] No, I have it.

[22:54] I have it for the water on the first floor.

[22:56] Okay.

[22:57] Did they go go right there?

[22:59] No.

[23:01] Water comes from the building.

[23:06] So, yeah, I think it's easy to start the territory.

[23:11] 15% with the new lease.

[23:13] And then come October, go 75, and then January, 100%.

[23:18] A step down? I think a step down is more because didn't they can start changing and just be re-evaluating?

[23:27] I don't know if January is the time to enter.

[23:30] It's into final step down.

[23:33] Because I think it shouldn't be about movement.

[23:36] High value.

[23:39] So a lot of people would be high value, right? January, right?

[23:42] Yeah, yeah.

[23:43] But it's also high value.

[23:45] I mean there's nothing here in here in the county.

[23:46] So if people are down as much.

[23:49] Yeah, the whole thing is though.

[23:52] They do a lot of catering.

[23:54] Yeah, they do a lot of catering.

[23:56] Yeah, but you see the catering.

[23:58] Yeah, she is.

[24:00] So that's a lot.

[24:03] That's a lot.

[24:04] So when we looked behind Pelican Joe's,

[24:08] we were looking for church off the space,

[24:11] and it's 1376 square feet

[24:14] at $10 per square foot.

[24:16] but it's what they're going to see support.

[24:19] So $10 per square foot, and that was in 2021.

[24:23] How many squares was left?

[24:26] It's small.

[24:27] What is that?

[24:27] Turn number?

[24:28] I think the total square foot is 1243 for that one,

[24:31] that's the upper and the lower.

[24:32] Up and down, down, down.

[24:33] We didn't measure out anything there.

[24:35] Not the whites, I think, all I am.

[24:37] Yeah, yeah.

[24:40] So I think that percentage agencies in the rent

[24:43] Let's start talking about utilities.

[24:46] Do you think that's the only option?

[24:48] I think that's the only option.

[24:49] You think it's the only one?

[24:50] No, no.

[24:50] Six hundred square feet.

[24:52] No, no.

[24:52] Six hundred square feet.

[24:54] One hundred twenty-four square feet is for the Millicent events.

[24:59] And that's...

[24:59] Hold on a minute.

[25:00] Am I going to go up there?

[25:02] Yeah.

[25:03] Come on, Harry.

[25:04] Because my house is eleven hundred.

[25:07] Yeah.

[25:08] Each floor.

[25:09] Oh.

[25:09] And my first floor is way bigger than my third.

[25:14] What happened to the floor?

[25:16] How much?

[25:17] 1,544 pounds.

[25:20] Total top and bottom or just top?

[25:22] No.

[25:22] It doesn't have anything to do with it.

[25:25] Oh, we have it.

[25:26] We usually have an ASU assessment.

[25:29] I don't know.

[25:33] That's great.

[25:34] You can figure it out now.

[25:35] So the schoolhouse.

[25:37] Yeah, the schoolhouse is approximately 50 by 22.

[25:41] And so that's 1100 square feet.

[25:44] And that's smaller than the rest of the whole house.

[25:47] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[25:49] We paid 1300 for this.

[25:52] And we don't have the food.

[25:54] We don't have the basic access as a simple house that has a lot of storage stuff.

[26:00] Oh, really?

[26:01] But, but.

[26:02] I would have a hundred square feet of permit.

[26:04] Not that much.

[26:05] This is that one.

[26:06] Right.

[26:08] Yeah.

[26:09] So we'll come up with something.

[26:10] That definitely needs to come up to market value.

[26:15] Yeah, I don't think it's going to be that much business,

[26:18] but if they're good business people,

[26:20] then they'll make it work.

[26:21] And it's going to be very, very, very successful.

[26:24] Yeah, yeah, it's going to be very, very successful.

[26:25] I've been in business for a long, long time.

[26:27] I mean, let's put it honest, the last three to four years

[26:31] have done a pretty great job.

[26:33] Oh, that's right.

[26:34] Pretty much.

[26:35] Oh, yeah.

[26:35] Never, never, never.

[26:36] Maybe 99% probably until this stuff.

[26:39] I mean, I think the town town board board can be used in this situation.

[26:44] Yeah, yeah.

[26:49] Anyway, anyway.

[26:52] And then, um, oh, oh, just really quick, quick.

[26:57] So, um,

[27:00] the last thing we kind of spoke about that, that piece of property we own, you know?

[27:04] And so I did reach out and I'm really good at it.

[27:30] Anyway, I'll talk to my head.

[27:31] I just didn't want to share it with you.

[27:34] I reached out to Kaylee Redbundom,

[27:36] who was a guardian of that piece of property,

[27:39] and she was telling me about another property

[27:41] that had sold, and I think it was in the settlers,

[27:44] not too long ago, for, I think it was $45,000

[27:50] for that piece of property,

[27:51] but it wasn't nearly as desirable as this one.

[27:55] Here it is.

[27:57] Yep, I'm remembering stuff, my goodness, yeah?

[28:04] The original list for 68 was at five Sunday morning stage coach, and it was a smaller

[28:10] lot at 6,134.

[28:13] This one is at 7,755, and it's a corner lot, and in some 10 to 12 hours.

[28:21] Her suggestion, and she owed her to doing some research on this lot, it can also be

[28:29] I saw it after by buyers, I was advised a lot,

[28:32] lot of people listed around 75,000,

[28:34] I was going to count in the complete town,

[28:36] but you get it sold, so she did say there was some,

[28:47] I think there was some listed out in Sunfield at 150,000,

[28:55] so and it's up to you.

[28:57] Are you going to go to Centennial Farm?

[29:00] No, no.

[29:02] Yes, yes.

[29:03] Oh, oh.

[29:03] Yes?

[29:05] There is.

[29:06] Don't you own a house there?

[29:07] Yeah.

[29:09] So it's piecemeal, all three of them.

[29:11] Oh.

[29:11] So the only thing that's property is not my subdivision.

[29:14] Okay.

[29:15] Is there a metro from that line?

[29:17] Yeah.

[29:18] Because that would affect the price to me, because if there's no metro, that's awesome.

[29:23] And I'm not saving the price.

[29:24] Yes.

[29:25] 1398 south, I really carry it.

[29:29] It's like you think so much.

[29:30] changing the previous to do another project? Well, we were talking about the last meeting,

[29:36] you know, we talked about doing the Well County Road 44 from 21 to 19.

[29:43] But because of all the construction work we have done on County Road 21,

[29:50] that road is going to need to be redone. Just to put it back better, but I mean it's a total

[29:58] sample right now.

[30:00] So I think that whole stretch from 19 down 44 and curve around to from on 21 all the way down to Inaz is going to have to be redone.

[30:13] So something like this could go towards that. I mean, it's a drop in the bucket, but it certainly helps.

[30:20] And it's something that the whole town uses instead of a lot that sits there that we maintain

[30:27] That's really not bringing the town any value

[30:31] You try to see and then there's some cost savings as well with because don't we

[30:41] Contract out like rating for all those different

[30:44] Sure

[30:45] Sure.

[30:46] Yeah.

[30:48] It would take a long time for that to make it.

[30:51] Yeah, my teacher comes out on the weekends and grades the roads.

[30:55] So there will be cost savings there, yes.

[30:58] And that's fresh.

[31:00] 44.

[31:02] So there will be some there.

[31:05] Oh, does he not need 21?

[31:07] 21 was chipped already.

[31:10] No.

[31:12] You might do around the corner, down to Wildcat, and then from Wildcat down to Forty-Civics.

[31:20] I

[31:25] think it would provide better surfacing for these areas, you know, enhance them a little bit.

[31:35] Instead of less than a piece of property.

[31:43] Well, there's a number of projects I could use, some of them.

[31:46] Yeah.

[31:49] Spend a will.

[31:50] Sure.

[31:52] That's what Mike had brought up last week.

[31:54] Yeah, sure.

[32:01] That's...

[32:01] I guess it was next steps.

[32:04] You can get hold of a real estate agent, and it lists the same thing as you.

[32:09] Yeah.

[32:11] Oh, oops.

[32:12] And there is no metro, she said, so I think that's a huge problem.

[32:17] Probably need to figure out what's the price.

[32:19] I guess we should come back back forward with that.

[32:21] I would.

[32:22] I would make that decision.

[32:23] You could leave me with that on the title, right?

[32:25] No, I don't know.

[32:26] I mean, but he does.

[32:27] Now we're going to figure out the metro.

[32:29] Yeah, I'm just kidding.

[32:30] Yeah.

[32:34] But I just wanted to find out what everybody thought,

[32:36] and I wanted to have some number to give you,

[32:39] based on that for sure.

[32:47] What are you going to tell us about that?

[32:48] Okay, next topic.

[32:50] So I discovered this, I confess, about a week or two ago.

[32:56] This is a bill that was passed through the legislature

[32:58] back in May of 2024, and to the economists.

[33:02] What it does is it gives emergency services districts

[33:08] the ability to directly impose impact fees,

[33:11] and also sales taxes.

[33:14] We have an IGA with our local emergency services district, and it essentially says that we will impose that tax.

[33:24] This bill took the power of a municipality to impose an impact fee for an emergency services district away.

[33:33] So you can look at the bottoms of the first page on the top of the second page, and I hope I didn't lose the tape here.

[33:39] It used to say, a local government may impose an impact fee or other similar development

[33:45] charge to fund expenditure by, and then it goes and says, or a fire and emergency services

[33:52] provider.

[33:53] Well that's been deleted.

[33:54] It used to have express authorization on the statute for municipality to impose, that's

[34:00] an important word I think, an impact fee for the benefit of the local district.

[34:06] It's gone.

[34:06] They now have had power to do that themselves.

[34:10] And I have touched base with the lawyer

[34:12] for front-run experiment rescue about this.

[34:16] I've also touched base with town attorney for Johnstown

[34:19] and everybody's kind of nonchalant about this

[34:21] as long as all we do is collect it,

[34:23] but it makes me nervous that strictly speaking,

[34:26] I think the town is imposing this fee.

[34:29] I think they need to impose it themselves

[34:30] and there's a process for that.

[34:32] That involves giving us notice 60 days

[34:35] any opportunity to go and tell them if we think it's a valid fee.

[34:40] The other thing is if a fee is imposed by the district that isn't properly

[34:47] substantiated, they are subject to a lawsuit by somebody who pays the impact fee.

[34:52] I don't want to put the town down in the middle of that.

[34:54] So I want to make you aware of this bill and the conversations that we're having,

[35:00] I'm sure I think you're probably going to have coffee with the other guys soon, Frank.

[35:07] So I'm encouraging you to make me bring this up.

[35:10] But I think what we really want to do is we want to adjust our impact fee agreement

[35:14] so that it's simply a collection service.

[35:17] If we even want to do that.

[35:20] And I think we need to probably modify our code where it talks about the fee.

[35:25] In our nearest code, it doesn't say that we impose a fee.

[35:29] It says, accept the way we're referred, as otherwise permitted by law, by the IGA.

[35:35] All residential and non-residential development shall be subject to the payment of an emergency services impact fee

[35:42] during the development or amendment application process.

[35:45] Well, I think that that needs to be requirement of the impose.

[35:48] So I think there's some changes to our code that need to be made.

[35:52] and we need to modify the IGA.

[35:55] Most importantly, I think we need

[35:57] to persuade our districts that once this fee,

[36:00] therefore, we need to take action by resolution

[36:02] and impose those fee and take that responsibility.

[36:04] That's the discussion.

[36:06] Of course, the fact that they can impose sales taxes now

[36:08] is a completely different thing.

[36:11] As long as they still have a sales tax factor,

[36:13] but it's conceivable that at some point in time,

[36:16] we could be in competition with them

[36:18] for sales tax dollars.

[36:20] So, I think it's in our interest to continue supporting their collection.

[36:26] Our collection process is pretty simple right now.

[36:28] I think pepper gets extracted and may be able to do the district and deliver it.

[36:33] So it doesn't go through our accounts.

[36:36] I don't think there's anything about the physical process that needs to change,

[36:40] but I'd like to go down and take this to change.

[36:41] That's the topic.

[36:45] But their district is obviously much larger than Fort Millicent, and so, like I clearly

[36:52] remember, voting is the only one we don't have, if they're literally to impose additional

[36:59] taxes.

[37:00] Like sale taxes?

[37:01] Yeah.

[37:02] I haven't even done that.

[37:04] I'm not aware that they're pursuing that.

[37:07] Yeah.

[37:08] I'm just just...

[37:08] Yeah.

[37:09] Yeah.

[37:10] Yeah.

[37:10] Yeah, but I get their annual report noise and then, you know, there's the cost of the equipment

[37:19] and what it cost to outfit a fire fire was like $24,000 and, you know, they're just growing

[37:30] and I can see that happening.

[37:33] You know, it was worrisome to me because when we were talking about it, you know,

[37:37] was what, what, two, three years ago, whatever it was.

[37:41] 20, 20.

[37:41] We approved DMTAC fee and IGN for 2020.

[37:45] But when we went to Bobo,

[37:46] in regards to increased our sales tax,

[37:50] because our sales tax is very low, very low,

[37:54] and we couldn't get buy-in on it,

[37:58] even though, you know, we tried saying

[37:59] people passing through,

[38:01] people stopping at 7-Eleven, Dollar,

[38:04] I'm only, you know, these are folks.

[38:05] Well, yeah, and everybody goes to all these other places or money outside of town and pays their sales tax rate, we will pay our sales, we won't increase our sales tax.

[38:17] Then we end up trying to...

[38:20] Well, they end up trying to do this.

[38:23] And sales tax is on money spent, not just on assets.

[38:26] So that's the frustrating thing that people don't actually understand is, you know,

[38:32] it's on money you're choosing to spend rather than something you already know.

[38:38] One thing that's helped us is because a lot of the Amazon deliveries were for sale.

[38:45] That's a shopping mall of choice.

[38:47] And a lot of people are having delivery at home and grocery delivery now.

[38:52] All of that helps.

[38:53] That helps.

[38:53] But again, if people realize that they're paying less sales tax because they're having to deliver to Milliken, I mean, you know, I mean...

[39:02] Yeah, yeah.

[39:03] I mean, that'll mean an economic program.

[39:06] Pay less is my opinion.

[39:08] Yeah, yeah.

[39:09] Ship it to Milliken.

[39:11] But, you know, it's a nice part of Yale to do.

[39:15] My services have their stuff.

[39:17] We have a lot of people passing through town.

[39:20] you know, people that are kids that are at the rec center, you know, when they have

[39:26] sacrilegies and whatever, and mom and dad stops because it's our way to bring, you know,

[39:32] mid-game snack or drink. Didn't have time to get it, so let's stop the job, though.

[39:38] In general, pick it up on our way there.

[39:40] What was our last increase? Because I remember we, in, we opened the restaurant in 2012.

[39:46] The sales tax is the same thing as it is now.

[39:51] It has been a long time.

[39:54] We've tried right a couple of times.

[39:57] The only thing you're successful in is keeping that tax,

[40:00] send sales tax for the signal light.

[40:06] What do you want to ask?

[40:07] I want to go back to the impact of these taxes.

[40:10] Yes, yes.

[40:11] I think we need to do it however,

[40:14] I think that I would like to see larger communities perfect processes before we do it.

[40:22] That's fine. What makes me nervous is there's no need.

[40:27] As far as I can tell, I didn't reach out to CML, the General Counsel, and Rachel Bender of the Art of Art, but this is my intention.

[40:34] And they said this was really, really surprised CML opposed us to, they tried to explain that you're taking away an express power that used to be there.

[40:43] So, I mean, that's your judgment. It makes me nervous though that we are imposing.

[40:50] I understand. I just, a lot of communities are going to be in this, and right now we're not doing a lot of building permits, are we?

[40:58] No, not a lot.

[41:00] So I'm not real nervous about it because we're not, if we were doing lots and lots, I would be more concerned.

[41:07] But I don't want to be beginning big to figure it out, is what I'm saying.

[41:12] I'd like some other community to figure it out and we can copy it.

[41:15] I mean, I don't think it's terribly complicated and I think a lot of terms on two things.

[41:20] How is another community's impact the agreement worded?

[41:24] It might be worded differently than average, and also what does the code say?

[41:31] I don't think this is terribly complicated, we just need to...

[41:34] There's already a lot of municipalities that are not collecting those fees.

[41:37] A lot of them are.

[41:39] Right.

[41:40] Even Gilchrist has his own nerve books to collect.

[41:46] I'm not sure how to find that information other than maybe putting something out on

[41:50] in terms of this server.

[41:53] But I don't see the change as being that challenging.

[41:58] We've already reached out to the attorney

[41:59] and he's open to the idea of some pretty simple revisions.

[42:04] I just haven't gotten him tuned in yet

[42:07] to the need for the district to actually pass a resolution.

[42:10] I sent an email this morning and signaled that.

[42:12] I mean, I'm personally just at a legal risk.

[42:15] I'm on the verge of saying, pepper, stop it,

[42:18] because I don't want to expose the town.

[42:21] Well, you would think that they would be okay with not having a middleman, right?

[42:26] Because that's what we are right now.

[42:28] I think the middleman part is fine.

[42:30] It's just that it's really good in a language.

[42:33] And the nice part is that we know it's been paid for, you know, as far as part of the permanent process.

[42:40] Now, there's another piece of this, and that is that the district approached us with a proposal for a higher impact fee,

[42:48] I think towards the end of last year, okay?

[42:51] And we haven't really taken any action on that.

[42:53] No, it is a war.

[42:55] I don't think we did, I think.

[42:58] So we may have it in the past,

[43:00] but we haven't recently, like in 2024.

[43:03] So they, one of the things that we lose here

[43:06] is the war reviews the request

[43:10] and either a prisoner denies it or we lose that, okay?

[43:14] We do have the right to notice

[43:16] before they take action on approving a new one under the new statute.

[43:20] But, uh, one of my concerns has been supervision

[43:24] and to a degree we lose that. But that's the statute, so...

[43:29] Now, if we collected it for in town,

[43:34] I mean, I'm sure it's certainly there isn't as much built-in outside of town,

[43:38] but how did they collect it for out of town?

[44:04] I don't know how much of the expression that this is supposed to on hats isn't count.

[44:09] Yeah, so I just, you know, I don't know.

[44:12] They may have one. I don't know. I'm just asking the...

[44:16] Yeah, because the county is into putting in subdivisions and all this and that.

[44:21] I know that they have a similar arrangement with Johnstown, but some of them don't.

[44:25] I think that they do, I think they address the impact fees as a county because, particularly in schools,

[44:32] The schools are going to let all those impacties slide by in school outside of municipalities, I don't think, and I think County has some of the vision.

[44:45] I'm just curious about non-municipal uses, i.e.

[44:52] But the last couple of counties we've been to, they're really discouraged building in the county.

[44:58] They wanted me.

[45:00] They want to know. They want to know, but they're still rural, but there are, still rural developments.

[45:08] According to this, it does say that New York County fires and tax fees are collected by the local fire district.

[45:17] So, this might be a way of streamlining it, so I was thinking, fire districts would just as soon recollect it, so they don't have to hassle with it.

[45:27] I suspect that it would be.

[45:28] But if the county requires that the public

[45:31] it would just imply both to have them come and compare them

[45:36] every week.

[45:37] It's definitely interesting to know what they do

[45:38] because I like to do it on county.

[45:45] Of course.

[45:45] And it doesn't, I mean, it doesn't

[45:47] need to be based on each jurisdiction,

[45:49] but it's for the most part, you don't have to do it.

[45:51] They shouldn't have something in play like this.

[45:53] They don't know what they're going to do.

[45:56] At home.

[45:56] So if anyone wants to look through this, the markups are mine, just notes that I made through

[46:04] reading this whole bill. Most of the content, really, is in about our first three pages,

[46:10] and there's some repetition, and they separate out ambulance districts, and then they get

[46:14] it in sales taxes, and there's either four different provisions related to sales taxes.

[46:19] So, feel free to take the 3-3-1-2s lead back.

[46:24] The decision of what is the immediate concern is the impact of the imposition.

[46:28] The impact of what it does is if we stop collecting it, what's the ownership of the builders?

[46:34] Before they come by for a building in the first town, they have to provide us a receipt

[46:38] that they can make fire in the school district to be used, and it makes them responsible

[46:43] about the town.

[46:44] So that's kind of what I agree with that.

[46:46] Yeah.

[46:47] I don't have a problem doing it, but going through it the first time, I know it's simple

[46:53] but they're going to be glitched as it goes through the first time.

[46:59] You know what I can do is ask Chief Sleep who's the CML general counsel and Rachel Bender,

[47:07] if they know anybody that's already addressed.

[47:12] That's all I'm looking for.

[47:13] If somebody else beat the train or blazer, we can jump in my room behind them.

[47:21] Like a hobo in a real life.

[47:23] Just to be prepared.

[47:24] A lot of times it could be different, you know.

[47:27] Just because you're preparing.

[47:39] Is that all the words for today?

[47:44] No, so I wanted to talk about one other thing.

[47:48] because we talked about the former mobile home park and using it as a food truck place.

[48:02] So back in, I don't know when it was, 2021,

[48:11] the goal, maybe that was still meeting, did

[48:14] I did suggest that and then some schematic was sent to Matt Arsenault with the state

[48:23] that kind of receives what we can and can't be there.

[48:28] He didn't have a problem with food truck place because it's all available.

[48:33] But what he did say here in the letter back was

[48:40] Because you'd

[48:45] ensure that there's no grading on this deep restricted land that would affect

[48:50] flow, flood, water, or debris on the land.

[48:54] Mound or bridges would be against the deep restrictions on the restricted land.

[48:59] Concrete or impervious surfaces must not be used or minimized.

[49:05] Whatever is on the land they want to minimize floaters, things that can be moved by water

[49:10] and cause damage to surrounding homes and infrastructure.

[49:15] Any structures that are placed in the land

[49:17] and the parks and cells cannot receive

[49:20] future effect of funding in the case

[49:23] of a declared disaster.

[49:27] So the city would be on their own

[49:29] for the cost of repair area and placement.

[49:34] You know, his thoughts, so they did his send

[49:38] And I think this went on.

[49:40] There was three proposals, one was for kids by track.

[49:46] The other one was for food truck.

[49:48] And I'm trying to remember what would be a trail,

[49:52] I think, was the other one.

[49:54] Yeah.

[49:55] But since we're talking about food trucks

[49:57] and then I was talking about a pepper,

[49:59] this came in light again.

[50:01] So they kind of ascended this schematic of what

[50:05] And they're kind of thinking.

[50:11] Thinking that our tests are permanent,

[50:14] probably should be used.

[50:16] Right.

[50:17] But maybe some temporary hay-pick tables or something.

[50:20] Yeah, something you could do that.

[50:22] Yeah.

[50:23] We're still teaching them how to do that.

[50:25] Yeah.

[50:27] I don't think that's political.

[50:28] I don't think that's political.

[50:29] Can we stick a poll in the ground?

[50:31] Put it in the solution stuff?

[50:32] Yeah, that's a great question.

[50:33] They have a, not sure how they feel

[50:38] about that, because, you know, force water as we all realize from that happen, we could

[50:45] take those down. But, maybe we should take those down, so you have the right to feel

[50:53] no imperfect surfaces. So, you know what I'm saying? So,

[51:01] you're most really sure that

[51:40] I think it's a good view to the space, but we need to look at, you know, think out of the box.

[51:47] It would be nice if the food trucks were obviously a thing. They're a thing everywhere at this point, not just here.

[51:53] It would be nice to get them off of 660.

[51:55] Yes.

[51:57] Well, we can't stop them from being on 660.

[51:59] No, but if they have a place, that's a different place in my hand than if people are going to congregate.

[52:05] Yeah, people are going to congregate.

[52:08] If there's a table or a nicoce that I'd expect during the summer months, I feel like they'll know.

[52:13] We really need an office, especially if people are going to run around the first door.

[52:17] I'm waiting for someone to have an office.

[52:19] Well, just so you guys can know, we're talking about how to truck.

[52:22] There's another bill that takes away a lot of authority on how to truck.

[52:33] You can't tell them where to park, the burners can't tell them when you're on your way, not that way.

[52:38] Yeah, so the state, once again, is trying to...

[52:43] Well, there has been a whole lot of pushback.

[52:47] Has there? So we used to go to support.

[52:51] And we never had any issues, we never had any pushback out of the town.

[52:55] Well, we don't push back here, you know, so it's not like they're push-push-a-roo, it isn't going to affect our department.

[53:04] Well, we do have them specified by our fire department.

[53:09] They're taking that away.

[53:10] Oh, they're not going to have them specified.

[53:12] So they do. They inspect everybody.

[53:14] By any distance, they can call the fire department or the fire department.

[53:17] You have to accept that.

[53:18] Also, they can be accepted.

[53:21] You have the access to health department protections.

[53:24] Or maybe you're an artist.

[53:25] Yeah.

[53:27] Yeah.

[53:27] So, you know, just continuing to take any local authority away from being into the state

[53:34] of.

[53:35] Across the board.

[53:36] Health.

[53:39] County health is because you're an inspection.

[53:41] Yes, yes.

[53:42] Yeah.

[53:42] So the county health department, your food inspections.

[53:46] It was good for the whole state.

[53:57] So as a resident or an ex, I like that you can't not, that you don't want to go to a

[54:07] multiple.

[54:07] Right.

[54:08] And so I actually like that they're editing that.

[54:10] They can't say no, you can't come here just because you're not certified here.

[54:17] Yeah, yeah, like we had issues during the flood after we fed people at Rubber Buds. We went to Longmont, and so we had a mobile food license deal, but one of our other guys

[54:28] did it, and he would give me food away, and he got fine. Boulder County tried to shut down, and so Dan, the big guy at Weld County, like stepped in for us.

[54:42] But so the county health departments, they're giving you that license.

[54:50] That's a state-wide license.

[54:52] It's not just meant for worry about a fire or anything.

[54:57] Yeah, and I don't care about that.

[54:59] I just don't like my state coming in.

[55:04] And once again, you know.

[55:06] Step it in the post.

[55:08] Yeah, every local Minnesotaly should

[55:10] to be able to

[55:11] assess their own guidelines for each of these things.

[55:13] What's the point of having that?

[55:15] What's the point of having a little talent government

[55:18] make it a big part of the organization?

[55:20] We have a lot of staff that are saying

[55:21] that what works in depth or doesn't work

[55:23] here at the moment.

[55:25] I wonder if they think about that.

[55:27] I think they're allowed to do

[55:29] their own thing where the professor does

[55:32] it right.

[55:33] So they need to stop and think about that.

[55:36] I do agree with you guys.

[55:40] Yeah, it's just another, you know, it's like ADUs and parking and, you know, how many people are in a house and what constitutes, yeah, you know, and it's like, so why are we here?

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