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[2:06] um

[2:15] fabulous good evening everyone and welcome

[2:18] to the first of our two public meetings on tomahawk sbc

[2:23] i first and foremost want to thank all of you for coming here on this

[2:27] balmy summer evening obviously lots of different things as yet another

[2:32] different thing i assure you i've never done a meeting

[2:35] like this in my ski coat and probably you all haven't been in one

[2:38] of these either but thank you all for coming one of the things that makes our

[2:41] community really special is people's willingness to engage

[2:44] in conversation about topics and come help us figure out solutions and so this

[2:49] is yet another example and so you all being willing to spend an hour and a

[2:51] half of your evening out here tonight is a great example of that so i also

[2:57] want to thank lisa creighton hendrix and the committee

[2:59] and the staff that helped put this all together

[3:02] so we started this journey a little over a year ago she agreed to take it on and

[3:05] they put in a tremendous amount of work to take a look i am a huge believer in

[3:10] what i call proactive decision making and so sometimes i was asked why did we

[3:14] do this what if we're not going to do anything

[3:16] well we might not do anything different but i'd like to make that decision

[3:19] proactively as opposed to just falling into

[3:22] why did we do that well that's how we had done it before and so if we make an

[3:25] informed decision to do nothing different that's just fine

[3:27] we'll have done so in an informed way which is great

[3:32] so as most of you know i'm david dickey i'm the mayor

[3:35] and we're here tonight to talk about tomahawk road sbc safety beauty and

[3:39] connectivity so why 2022 we are going to be redoing

[3:43] tomahawk road end end-to-end curbs drive approaches road etc we do

[3:48] that once basically every generation 20 to 25

[3:51] years and so if we're going to do anything

[3:54] different now is the time to do that as opposed to boring under the road that

[3:57] we've already done etc so we put that committee together to

[4:01] take a look at this and and review and so tonight is

[4:06] no decisions will be made tonight we have another one of these tomorrow

[4:10] where you're welcome to come back you just need to rcp again i think we still

[4:13] have some open slots uh there's been a lot of feedback via

[4:16] email which will be taking into account this tonight is about the council having

[4:20] the opportunity to hear from all of you um listen occasionally ask a clarifying

[4:25] question but mostly just listen why tomahawk well tomahawk is when it is

[4:29] a unique street in our community for a couple of reasons

[4:31] there are two streets in our community that run the entire length of the or

[4:34] with the city east to west tomahawk and 63rd

[4:36] tomahawk is the only one of those that has a couple of things one

[4:40] is the only street interior to the city with a 30 mile an hour speed limit

[4:44] every other street interior in the city is 25. it is the only

[4:47] street that runs the width of our city that runs

[4:50] without a single stop sign or stop light from its easternmost to its westernmost

[4:54] point it is the only street interior to the

[4:56] city that has bike lanes and those bike lanes meet no known criteria for any

[5:00] bike lane ever but it does have bike lanes it touches

[5:04] three of the five non-residential structures in our city the church the

[5:07] city hall and indian hills country club it touches 13 islands and parkwoods as

[5:10] it rewinds its way from kansas city missouri to prairie village and it

[5:13] provides it's a connector so if we're going to do anything and

[5:17] maybe we won't now is the time to take a look at that

[5:19] because it's a critical piece of infrastructure in our city we will spend

[5:23] about two million dollars on it in 2022 half of that will be paid by the

[5:26] county and so we need to guide the engineers the right

[5:30] way and the input from you all tonight and

[5:32] residents tomorrow and that has been received via email will be critical to

[5:36] that so the full council is here which is

[5:38] great staff is over there a couple important logistical items so

[5:44] the podium right there if you choose to speak that's where you'll go

[5:48] you're welcome to remove the mask if speaking through the mask is hard

[5:53] ideally you can leave it on that'd be great those of you who have not been to

[5:56] this facility before there are two sets of restrooms

[5:59] as you're facing me most of you probably came in through what i call the back

[6:02] main entrance it's a hallway that runs perpendicular

[6:05] to this table there's a set of restrooms on the right

[6:07] or as you're looking at me there's a hallway that runs parallel to this table

[6:10] there's a set of restrooms to the left we have water over there for everyone

[6:15] and we have 90 now 84 minutes there are not even 20 people here some

[6:21] of you are here with a spouse or significant other

[6:23] i want to be respectful of your time i want to be respectful of staff council

[6:27] time um i'd ask politely that maybe start

[6:30] with with five minutes as we got get into discussion and at the

[6:34] end we can spend the entire 90 minutes here i'm happy to do that

[6:37] by the same token i want to make sure everybody has an opportunity to talk and

[6:40] no one is sitting here at 6 55 saying oh my gosh i haven't had a chance to speak

[6:45] yet so plenty of opportunity to provide

[6:48] feedback and again for us it's mostly about listening so if

[6:52] you don't hear us ask a bunch of questions that's purposeful

[6:55] um i happen to be a notetaker on my laptop some of council is pen and paper

[6:59] so if you see us doing that that's what we're doing

[7:02] and does anybody have any questions before we get started

[7:08] so on zoom calls some of you may wonder why didn't we do this as a zoom call why

[7:13] here at 42 degrees outside one i've done zoom calls to 40 people

[7:17] having a conversation is really really hard it's good for

[7:21] presentations or if somebody's hyper directing it but

[7:24] for a conversation it's tough and i think that conversation live in

[7:28] person is important so one important point we are recording

[7:32] this tonight there are people who are online

[7:35] watching they will be they may submit information

[7:38] and questions you will be recorded that recording will

[7:41] become part of public record so i just want to make sure everybody is

[7:44] aware of that as we go so typically on in the zoom calls that

[7:48] i've done i find it most effective to start in one quadrant

[7:51] and just work my way across in terms of having people give updates in this case

[7:54] having people speak if i i'm going to do that tonight if you

[7:58] choose not to speak you didn't lose your chance you can come

[8:00] back around if you want to defer it's like the chiefs and the kickoff

[8:04] and certainly i think we'll have time at the end for additional conversation

[8:08] for those who want to speak again so there are no questions and i

[8:12] i'm sorry i both don't know everybody's name can't read the name tags from this

[8:15] far away and masks are still hard sometimes to figure

[8:18] out who's who i'm just going to start here front left

[8:21] and see i can see i can read debbie's wbb to start

[8:28] would you like to speak okay

[8:34] got it

[8:37] you're up

[8:43] just one uh point of order we uh submitted 65 or so petitions

[8:50] signed and asked if they'd be included in the record yes and they have been

[8:53] good thank you um so

[8:58] a lot of the comments that you that

[9:02] that i'll talk about are things that we've already expressed to the committee

[9:06] and to to you there's a lot of thought

[9:10] a lot of people have put their time and energy into this

[9:14] uh i think i'm trying to distill things down into a couple of

[9:19] more obvious issues one is that the eventual

[9:22] costs of re-engineering these two corners far

[9:25] outweigh the cost of actually enforcing the existing traffic laws

[9:31] both in terms of speeding and in terms of

[9:34] uh distracted driving these corn these corners make pedestrians nervous

[9:41] not because they're engineered badly they're it's because people especially

[9:46] especially commuters ignore the traffic laws

[9:53] stricter enforcement would go a long way to solving the perceived problem that

[9:59] that gave rise to this these two uh projects

[10:04] [Music] at the same time that would improve the

[10:07] livability of our great little city here second

[10:12] without the stricter enforcement of the traffic laws the proposed wanonga

[10:16] triangle solution might make public safety issues even

[10:21] worse than they are perceived today the redesign would result in traffic

[10:26] from three streets 67th indian lane and winonga

[10:31] being funneled into one lane of ingress and egress controlled by a single stop

[10:39] sign that means that that all three cars from

[10:43] all three would come to a full stop they would be

[10:46] presented then with turning right or left

[10:49] across traffic or into traffic that's i know people have a problem with

[10:57] the oblique way that the

[11:01] that the current traffic situation works today

[11:05] on those two stops those two intersections

[11:09] but imagine the safety concerns if we don't get people to slow down

[11:14] we'll get some pretty catastrophic results of that either crossing the

[11:21] south southwest bound traffic lane and into

[11:24] the northeast direction or making a hard right

[11:27] from a standing stop into a lane of traffic where people are going

[11:32] more than 25 miles an hour in many cases much more

[11:38] and that's at the apex of the curve and less likely to be seen by people who are

[11:45] speeding from either direction so to me

[11:49] that redesign plan doesn't pass the common sense test i've yet to meet

[11:56] a single neighbor who supports this redesign plan

[12:01] we've presented you with 60 petitions or 65 petitions

[12:06] a lot more people have come forth and to want to be

[12:10] interested in this if there are others who would like to sign the petition

[12:14] tonight i brought a few extra but uh i think that

[12:19] in short enforcement is the best option here

[12:23] not to spend money on a project that appears to be an expensive solution

[12:29] looking for a problem to solve thanks great thank you very much

[12:37] do you steve introduce yourself briefly then go ahead

[12:40] i wanted to mainly come up here to take my mask off

[12:43] [Laughter] but having accomplished that my name's

[12:47] steve soden and my wife mary is out of town visiting

[12:51] a daughter in bend oregon or she'd be here we've lived at 6701

[12:57] tomahawk for 15 years little over 15 years

[13:00] when we bought that house and moved in we had five kids at home

[13:04] so right from the start obviously i was very keyed in

[13:08] to the traffic the the risk we had littler kids we had drivers

[13:15] so it we have a perfect observation way because our property

[13:21] literally faces the incomplete island as we look out we sit on our

[13:25] front porch we see the whole intersection right there and i

[13:30] i will agree with peter i think in our 15 years i can't remember

[13:35] maybe three or four times that there was any kind of an accident there and those

[13:41] were usually ice and snow related somebody's trying to make that curve too

[13:44] fast and hits the island and pops their tires

[13:50] i am just certain that this issue doesn't really

[13:57] have have enough merits to go forward talk to probably

[14:04] i bet over the last four months five months 100

[14:08] friends some of them the 60 that have filled out the petition

[14:12] others just in conversation all mission hills friends and neighbors

[14:16] no one is for this project and to peter's point things changed when the

[14:24] bridge was redone on 63rd street and that flushed a lot of

[14:28] traffic that you know that it's famous everybody goes

[14:32] 25 on 63rd street not because i paid a lot of tickets when our

[14:36] kids were driving unfortunately because they really really

[14:42] have a reputation for monitoring that speed limit

[14:45] mission hills then got all that traffic and

[14:49] mary and i will sit on our front front porch and

[14:52] watch cars go by and i'm thinking they're going 40 miles an hour they have

[14:56] to and some more than that particularly

[14:58] some of the kids just screeching around that corner

[15:01] so i i think it's a speed issue and i think that to spend that kind of

[15:07] money and redesign that intersection doesn't make sense to me and if we

[15:13] had the same kind of a reputation on tomahawk that they have on 63rd

[15:20] street for you go 25 or you're going to be writing

[15:23] some checks i think that problem would really get

[15:26] solved so thank you thank you thanks for being

[15:30] here laura lee just observing i'm going to start back

[15:34] this way oh there's somebody here sorry the pole

[15:39] you're good

[15:49] my name is tom erzak and i'm here because

[15:55] safety is also a concern of mine and it's safety on 63rd

[15:59] and on tomahawk not so much for the cars but for people who actually walk those

[16:04] streets you have cars even on 63rd i

[16:09] respectfully want to say go awfully fast and tomahawk

[16:14] it's it's even worse but try and cross one of the crosswalks even though

[16:21] they're designated as crosswalks nobody stops you're taking your life

[16:25] into your hands if you see a car coming and i've proposed on a couple of

[16:32] different occasions that we ought to put maybe some of those little signs up

[16:36] that say state law requires you to stop you know we were walking across the

[16:41] stock crosswalk a while ago and we were in the crosswalk so it

[16:46] wasn't like we were standing there and cars were going by this guy comes by in

[16:50] his truck of course we yelled at him and he had a

[16:54] few choice words to say to us like we're wrong because we're in the

[16:58] crosswalk crossing when he wouldn't stop so i think a little more if we get some

[17:03] enforcement of the crosswalks and make it more

[17:06] of an issue for people driving through the city

[17:10] the other thing is i'm a firm believer that if we're redoing the street

[17:15] we need to have a dedicated lane for walking

[17:19] and or biking it's i've seen so many times a young mother walking

[17:25] with her stroller down the street cars are

[17:29] zooming by her and i'm thinking oh my gosh this looks

[17:32] so dangerous to me and then even worse i'll see a mother

[17:37] with a stroller and she'll have her little kids riding a

[17:41] bicycle or on a scooter and little kids they don't have any

[17:45] control they are all over the lanes and cars are driving by

[17:49] so i really think a dedicated lane for walking and or biking

[17:56] would be very helpful thank you thank you tom moving

[18:02] still this way can't quite read your name tag i'm sorry

[18:07] hi carol i just have a question for you um

[18:11] is it a consideration at all that the speed limit

[18:15] be reduced and be in a reduced state for long enough to determine whether or not

[18:20] there's value before making a decision on

[18:24] whether to proceed with any recommendations

[18:27] at all uh i would certainly say that's absolutely

[18:32] possible so one of the things when the council heard

[18:35] me say this probably a couple of them were frustrated by it but we didn't want

[18:39] to do that until we had the initial conversations

[18:43] here there were calls for to do it right away i specifically said

[18:46] let's let the committee bring recommendations we have we will not be

[18:50] redoing the road until 2022 so the reduction in the speed limit if

[18:54] that's where the council chooses to go could absolutely happen you know more or

[18:58] less tomorrow or for some period of time that we could allow for measurement

[19:04] tracking and so forth you've seen fairway do the same thing over on

[19:06] blender right thank you absolutely thank you for

[19:10] asking

[19:14] good definitely not read that far back

[19:21] my name is larry winter i live at 3135 tomahawk road

[19:26] my wife and i moved here 11 years ago and we specifically wanted to live

[19:30] in mission hills on tomahawk road i love the way

[19:34] it meanders through mission hills i love the tree-lined streets

[19:38] and sweeping lawns i did attend a number of the meetings of this committee

[19:44] i never saw any data to indicate that tomahawk road is unsafe for pedestrians

[19:50] i know that's the perception of many but i never saw the data that showed that

[19:55] i'm a frequent walker i have never felt unsafe walking on

[20:00] tomahawk road not once in 11 years have i felt unsafe

[20:04] walking the tomahawk road i do see two potential i think

[20:09] significant problems that would result from adding sidewalks and making

[20:12] tomahawk road more narrow

[20:16] these last six plus months my wife and i have probably spent more

[20:20] time in our front porch during the pandemic than we have

[20:23] in the years leading up to this and one thing that stuck out to both of us

[20:27] is the number of bicyclists that are up and down tomahawk road

[20:32] i think is tomahawk called an arterial road for motor vehicles

[20:36] it is i would say it's an arterial road for the bicyclers too

[20:40] i see people going to work i see people exercising i see biking clubs up and

[20:45] down if you make tomahawk road more narrow

[20:48] it's going to have a terrible effect for the bicyclists and

[20:53] make them much more exposed than they are now i

[20:56] just think it would be a big mistake and i would also add that for runners or

[21:01] people like me with joint issues i prefer to walk in the asphalt

[21:06] even on the streets that have sidewalks in mission hills i'm walking in the

[21:09] street i think it's just going to be a big

[21:13] problem if tomahawk road is is made more narrow it'd be one thing

[21:17] if it were a straight street but a narrow winding road to me just

[21:21] spells danger the second thing is the on-street parking

[21:26] and what that would do tomahawk road were made more narrow in my block

[21:30] over the last two years i think there's been constant construction

[21:34] around us and on certain days there are cars parked all around on both sides of

[21:41] the street if you add on top of that the lawn

[21:45] maintenance trucks for their big trailers with all their equipment um ups

[21:50] federal express amazon delivery it's going to be a big problem

[21:54] for for anyone going up and down tomahawk road and that too is going to

[21:58] make it worse for anyone in the street or anyone on a

[22:01] bicycle i just think it's going to create more problems

[22:04] and make it less safe i have no problem lowering the speed limit you talked

[22:09] about the you're calling the stripes for the bike lanes i know they're not bike

[22:13] lanes i'm off from removing those further away

[22:16] from the curb to visually give more space

[22:19] more room for pedestrians it would result in more separation from traffic

[22:24] i think that's the way to go i think it would be a terrible mistake to put

[22:28] sidewalks up and down tomahawk thank you do you have any questions for me

[22:33] thank you appreciate you being here let's see

[22:41] hi i'm larry's next door neighbor and i remember when the police used to

[22:48] watch and patrol tomahawk years ago i don't know what's happened if there's

[22:54] a change in um the salary or the you know money

[22:59] devoted to that or what but we have had four cars in a landscaping truck

[23:06] plowed into in front of our house i don't think the changes that they've

[23:11] proposed will make the drivers any better i think

[23:15] it's a it's a situation of distracted drivers

[23:20] um be there texting or looking in the mirror or talking to

[23:26] somebody but all of them have been just because

[23:29] people aren't watching all the accidents and i'm for proposing either a lower

[23:34] speed limit i noticed the cars going by our house

[23:38] were slowing down when you had the they had brief

[23:42] time there was a flashing uh 30 mile an hour's uh speed limit

[23:48] at tomahawk circle and that seemed to help a lot but they took

[23:54] it down and i understand that people don't want

[23:57] flashing lights but i think a stricter

[24:03] um watch on the speed and maybe i didn't think the flashing

[24:10] flashing sign was gauche at all but um i love i do love the trees i know they

[24:16] said that they wouldn't be affected by changing the road but the tree roots are

[24:22] you know go out pretty far i'm not sure exactly of how the construction would be

[24:26] with with that but i sure hope that they just

[24:31] keep the meandering tomahawk and make it it like some courtney said

[24:36] that you know just a resurfaced tomahawk

[24:38] would be one of the things they're looking at and i'm

[24:41] all for that it makes them nice without the potholes but

[24:46] that's all great thank you for being here

[24:51] ma'am

[24:56] hi my name is sarah garcia i live on 3210

[25:00] tomahawk and ever since oh my gosh i was a well a teenager which

[25:06] was many many years ago tomahawk has always been my favorite

[25:10] street in this whole city as the most beautiful street the windy

[25:14] roads the trees it was my dream to sunday oh i want to

[25:18] have a house on tomahawk and um um i am just

[25:22] really opposed to these changes i support um

[25:26] the opinions that our neighbors here have have shared

[25:30] um i think that narrowing the road uh would actually create

[25:34] more dangers than produce a safety solution

[25:38] um there's just too many there too many curves

[25:42] too many um cars parked um for various reasons construction like

[25:47] was mentioned landscaping etc with deliveries and i

[25:53] i support maybe doing some creative um you know rethinking i agree with

[26:00] promoting safety through controlling [Music]

[26:05] reinforcing maybe a lower speed limit and maybe also just having more police

[26:13] presence to enforce that would be a good thing

[26:18] that's pretty much in a nutshell what i what i think and um i support everyone's

[26:24] opinions thank you great thank you for being here

[26:33] i don't have my name tag because i arrived late but i'm gabrielle beam and

[26:36] i think my entire street is here i'm at 3205

[26:40] tomahawk so i'm in the neighborhood with a whole

[26:44] bunch of houses under construction and now mine is and

[26:47] so there's vehicles all over the place since my

[26:51] husband did not come i have to represent that he

[26:54] wants a sidewalk because we have kids and um and so he thinks it's safer if

[27:01] you narrow because he wants it to be a side street

[27:04] and i try to tell him it's not a side street it will never be

[27:08] a side street um it is a major thoroughfare and but

[27:12] we've been working home since the pandemic and we work in our dining room

[27:16] and look right out on the street and i can tell

[27:20] you there's a number of times where he is looking out and people are flying by

[27:25] and i do think that that is the biggest risk i

[27:28] will say from my perspective i'm pretty much like larry i run the

[27:31] streets so i like to run on asphalt if if

[27:36] there's a sidewalk that takes up too much of the road and then i'm

[27:40] preferring to run in the street maybe to avoid the you

[27:44] know slope for every driveway on the concrete

[27:47] sidewalk i'm concerned about that just the safety

[27:50] of that but i do understand my husband's position and people with

[27:54] small children in the neighborhood that are trying to figure out a way to

[27:58] navigate with children on bikes and children walking so

[28:01] it's not an easy solution i don't know what is the best solution

[28:06] you know we just want it to be safe and be able to

[28:10] to get around i do think it is a little aggravating for me

[28:16] that people don't do the and walk you know against traffic ride with i

[28:23] almost think we need signs because it's very aggravating to

[28:26] me because i think that creates its own headache with the traffic but i

[28:31] had to present my husband's perspective of wanting

[28:34] sidewalks i don't know if that's the solution or not so

[28:38] but that's my bit thank you thank you for being here

[28:44] good okay yes sir

[28:52] terry o'leary 6810 tomahawk um lived on tomahawk 13 years and

[28:58] my wife lynn most people will test probably walks

[29:01] 10 times a day on 69th and or tomahawk or

[29:05] other streets and so we're and we had four kids there growing up so pretty

[29:11] familiar with the situation i also agree that it's really

[29:14] i don't see it as a dangerous the islands and people going

[29:20] extremely fast that often but there is the occasional speeder

[29:25] obviously our my main concern is watching as others have mentioned

[29:30] strollers and mothers or families of dads with

[29:35] their kids two or three kids riding bikes and trying to keep them all in the

[29:39] street and people texting and so even though it's

[29:43] a connector and our i think the advantages

[29:47] could be that it is our only connector but that's also the disadvantage because

[29:51] if you push everybody to your only connector

[29:54] then you have too many people on the street whether it's bikers cars

[30:00] strollers whatever and i was doing a little research

[30:04] the last couple days looking for articles on traffic calming and which

[30:08] we've done in our business several different ways but

[30:11] there's a lot of different good traffic calming methods you can

[30:14] engage at that corner in different places in mission hills

[30:19] but it also talks a lot about when you're trying to put too many people

[30:24] on a street with bikes and strollers and whatever it is

[30:28] and you have all the driveways and cars turning

[30:31] out of driveways backing out and so on it creates

[30:34] more cause for injuries to bikers and you know walkers

[30:41] runners etc so i think one of the beautiful things about mission hills is

[30:46] that you should enjoy walking and biking and

[30:50] driving on every street in mission hills because it's amazing i've been driving

[30:53] through there since i was probably 12 but i shouldn't have told

[30:57] you that but and my dad's votes vlogging but um going to homestead but anyway

[31:04] uh weren't any cops back there back then either so i didn't get caught

[31:09] doing that so maybe we need more [Laughter]

[31:13] i was probably 13 but anyway um so i think that there

[31:20] there are are ways to to to to calm that area if that's the main

[31:26] concern i don't see how and when or if we would

[31:30] build a sidewalk or who's going to walk from state line

[31:33] all the way to on that one street but again i think

[31:37] encouraging people to use all the streets of mission

[31:39] hills to enjoy the houses and the landscape and the

[31:44] parks and so on because i i still think it's one of the

[31:49] most beautiful places i've ever driven in my life and any city driving and

[31:52] meandering through the different streets so so to to so to

[31:58] promote people walking and biking and strolling and driving on one main

[32:03] connector seems to be kind of against the

[32:06] walkability and the the way mission hills was designed as a

[32:10] pedestrian neighborhood so anyway that's my two cents great

[32:15] thank you terry

[32:18] did i i think we've gotten everybody but no

[32:29] like courtney do we have anything online specific

[32:34] okay would anybody like to speak again

[32:39] dave could i ask you a question absolutely one of the things the

[32:43] task force struggled with was the issue several of you identified crossings

[32:48] and signage uh traffic calming and i think the presumption that the

[32:55] task force and i'm sorry i'm bill running uh and worked on the task force

[32:59] with the uh other people um the presumption was

[33:03] there's not a high tolerance in mission hills

[33:05] for flashing lights signs bumpers slow speeds

[33:09] to slow speeds down and what else was referenced here i would be

[33:14] interested let's see

[33:22] yeah across crosswalks traffic calming and science i'd be interested

[33:26] in your sense not necessarily even your position but your sense

[33:29] of mission hills tolerance well flashing signs

[33:33] um more signs anything that would make it safer but

[33:38] also obstruct kind of the bucolic view which way do you think the city as a

[33:44] whole would like to go safer uh crossings and pedestrian

[33:49] lanes or opt for beauty and let people take some risks and i'm

[33:54] talking kids i'm talking strollers i'm talking old people

[33:57] all the people that are on the street

[34:02] i don't have an answer yeah you go to the microphone that way the people who

[34:07] are online can hear you be great thank you um it might address what bill

[34:11] was asking but i think the answer to your question is a

[34:14] few flashing lights out in the street uh by police cars pulling over a few

[34:18] folks would could go a long way but

[34:23] this is a this is a question i had because when when we

[34:26] first got involved with this um this whole question

[34:31] the whole speed limit enforcement issue was

[34:35] seemed to me to be the first and foremost way to

[34:38] address the question so i inquired and i was

[34:43] told that the police chief feels as though

[34:47] unless you're doing nine miles an hour over the posted speed limit

[34:50] the uh the judge will not issue a moving violation

[34:55] so i went looked it up on kansas law and in fact that's not the case it's

[35:02] six miles an hour but that's between 30 and 54 miles an hour so there's no

[35:06] there's no grace period under 30 nor over 54. and i'm wondering is this a

[35:13] question of will do we need to insist

[35:17] that the police department enforce the laws

[35:21] more strictly because i you know from where i came from in the

[35:27] last 10 times the nothing like having a few

[35:31] uh traffic stops to to calm the traffic and once it becomes known that you can't

[35:38] drive through mission hills uh as a commuter and get

[35:42] away with driving at 40 miles an hour traffic is going to go a different

[35:45] direction or it's going to slow down both of which works for me

[35:52] thank you peter anybody else want to comment on bills

[35:56] or question signs lights

[36:05] i will vote for at least a few more signs

[36:08] you know i i think a couple more signs is not going to take away from the

[36:15] beauty of the city and if it helps or some flashing lights

[36:19] will help i think it is potentially a better

[36:22] solution i think the only flashing light was

[36:27] talked about at mission drive and tomahawk and i think the risk to

[36:31] kids and people coming from old sagamore into

[36:34] an area where driving people to enjoy more scares us all i

[36:38] think that's the only place we really i heard them talking about flashing

[36:42] lights well potentially to the extent that

[36:46] flashing lights are crosswalks and and particularly at 67th and tomahawk

[36:51] where kids are crossing to go towards prairie elementary

[36:58] okay yes sir terry um again just the research i read says

[37:05] in in the urban bikeways and and uh pathways the most

[37:12] injuries are from crosswalks i think it was 65 or 70 percent

[37:17] and to what bill said is and i've mentioned this to andy before is

[37:21] you either have a crosswalk or you don't i mean so at indian hills

[37:25] right by the pool there's a sign with a crosswalk but

[37:29] nobody even can see the sign can't see the crosswalk

[37:32] so in that case you either need trees cut

[37:36] better signs better crosswalks the little man in the street whatever you

[37:39] want to do because there's no point in having that there so either

[37:42] either you need to have them and have whatever signs

[37:46] are needed to enforce them and ever since they put stop lights or

[37:52] stop signs i guess in on the plaza people pay less

[37:57] attention to the people crossing the street

[38:01] well take that back ever since ever since they added some stop signs

[38:06] at uh some sections of the plaza people have paid less attention to the

[38:13] crosswalks because it used to always be cross

[38:15] crosswalks everybody used to just stop but if you go across at where

[38:19] the steak burger place is or uh you know where north face is and all that

[38:24] no cars stop anymore partly on the plaza and

[38:27] they do stop in front of the grocery store in-house with the

[38:32] little sign and all that so that i know that helps but

[38:35] i think you either have to have them or just get rid of them

[38:39] thank you

[38:42] any other questions from up here comments from those who are here i've

[38:48] never been one that feels the need to fill the time with the

[38:51] task at hand we will be doing this again tomorrow and

[38:55] again we have courtney what 10 slots open

[38:59] still if anybody wants to come back so just call or just go tell staff right

[39:04] now you'd like to come back if you want to come back or

[39:06] dial up online this has been very helpful

[39:10] and i appreciate those of you coming many of you have submitted email

[39:15] directly to either sbc or me thank you for that and for your feedback

[39:19] and with that i'll give everybody a bunch of

[39:22] their time in the evening back and appreciate your feedback and come to

[39:27] thank you

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