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Let's
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go ahead
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and get this
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meeting started. It's
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Mr. Otto.
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Our first order of business today is to
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do the oath of office for two brand-new board members that
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we're very pleased to have that joined our group and was
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appointed by the governor of our great state.
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And so with that, I would ask that Jordan Bradberry
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come up, as well as Robby Myers, and take the oath of office.
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Okay.
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So I have
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Jordan. I'll do Jordan first. We'll get Jordan taken care of, yeah?
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Okay. Well,
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we appreciate you being here and joining our group, and so the oath of office
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today.
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Raise your right hand, please.
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I-
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I, Jordan Bradberry
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... do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the
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Constitution of the United States
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... do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States
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... and the Constitution of the State of Missouri
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... and the Constitution of the State of Missouri
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... and faithfully perform the duties of a member of the Missouri State Board of
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Education
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... and faithfully perform the duties of a member of the
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Missouri State Board of Education
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... to the best of my ability
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... to the best of my ability.
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Very good. Thank you. Appreciate it, Jordan. Thank you.
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No, I'll go ahead and get your oath done.
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Okay.
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How about that? Do you want it?
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I'll take it.
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Okay.
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Very good. So if you would, raise your right hand.
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I-
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I, Robby Myers
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... do solemnly swear
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... do solemnly swear
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... that I will support the Constitution of the United States
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... that I will support the Constitution of the United States
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... and the Constitution of the State of Missouri
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... and the Constitution of the State of Missouri
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... and faithfully perform the duties
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... and faithfully perform the duties
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... of a member of the Missouri State Board of Education
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... of a member of the State Board of Education
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So are photos being taken here?
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Yes.
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Yes, and we'd like to get a picture
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with you and your family as well.
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Okay. Yeah, they still have yet.
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Oh, my gosh. They didn't get hit by the alarm or
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anything?
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That's nice.
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Very good.
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Get your family up here. Yeah, absolutely.
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Your wife and daughter.
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Son. Okay, great.
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Wait.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Precious.
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She's my favorite daughter.
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Maybe I'll have-
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If you'd like.
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Oh, okay. Sure.
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I hear those-
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If you could, that'd be... Yeah.
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I can
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do it.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Good job, hon. Thank you.
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Fantastic.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Welcome to the board.
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See you later.
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There's my daddy.
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Okay, so we'll go ahead. Our second item of
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business is the election of officers.
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I, at this time, serve as vice president, and so,
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I need to call on...
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I do need to introduce Stacy Pries.
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I apologize. Dr. Pries is our interim superintendent of
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schools.
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She wrote some things down here about her experience, how great she
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was, and everything.
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I didn't write that.
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Not really, but we, I think would say, who are on that committee,
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are very much appreciative
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of her joining our program, her
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providing her skill set to our specific program, and truly
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assisting us in what we do. And it just
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worked out perfectly that you were available to us, and we're
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just thankful to have you. So, with that, we need to get
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election of officers taken care of. Do you have...?
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I do.
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Okay. Very good.
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Thank you, Vice President Miller.
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We'll now proceed to the election of officers for the Missouri State Board of
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Education. In accordance with board policy, the first office to be
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elected is the president of the board.
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So, at this time, I will open the floor to nominations for president of the
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Missouri State Board of Education.
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I move to nominate Brooks Miller for president of the Board of Education.
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I second.
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I move to nominate John Otto
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for president.
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Thank you. And a second?
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We need a second for that.
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Okay.
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Are there any
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additional nominations?
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Okay. Seeing no further nominations, the nominations for president are now
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closed. We will proceed to the vote.
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Board members, please cast your vote for president of the Missouri State Board of
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Education. Madam Secretary, please call the roll.
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Ms. Casey?
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Brooks Miller.
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Mr. Matusik?
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Yes.
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Me-
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Give me names, there are two.
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Well, hers didn't get a second.
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Didn't get a second. There's really only one.
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Oh, okay. Yes.
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Yes.
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Mr.
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Bradberry?
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Yes.
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Mr. Myers?
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Yes.
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Mr. Otto?
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Yes.
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Dr. Scholl?
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Yes.
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Ms. Westbrooks-Hodge?
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The same.
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Mr. Miller?
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Sure. Yes.
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Okay, very good. Now, we move to the vice president of the
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board.
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So-
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And I hand it back to you, Mr. President
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... Yeah. Okay, very good. Thank you.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, at this time, we'll take nominations for vice president of the Board of
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Education.
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I move...
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This is Carey Casey. I move to nominate John Otto for the
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position of vice president of the State Board of Education.
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Second.
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We have a motion and a second. Are there any other
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nominations that would like to come forth at this time?
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Very good. Hearing none, we'll call for a roll call vote.
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Mr. Bradberry?
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Yes.
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Ms. Casey?
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Yes.
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Mr. Matusik?
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Yes.
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Mr. Miller?
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Yes.
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Mr. Myers?
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Yes.
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Dr. Scholl?
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Yes.
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Mr. Otto?
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Yes.
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Ms. Westbrooks-Hodge?
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Yes.
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Very good. Welcome, John, as the new vice president of
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the Missouri State Board of Education.
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Thank you.
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Certainly. Okay, so we'll now move on into
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our agenda. Has everybody had the opportunity
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to review the agenda? Are there any additions, corrections,
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and in particular, have you looked at the consent agenda to make sure there's not
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issues there that
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we would want to pull or have further discussion on?
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Cool.
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I think, in terms of the minutes of the previous meeting-
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Okay
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... Oh. This is for the agenda of today's agenda.
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Agenda.
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Move to approve the agenda.
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Okay. Very good.
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Second.
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Okay. Now I call for motions for the minutes of the...
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Oh.
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Yeah, we've got to vote on them.
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Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought it-
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All in favor, yell-
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All in favor of the amend--
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I'm sorry.
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Where were we at? Agenda.
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Okay. So all in favor of the agenda as presented. Forgive me.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Okay. Any opposed?
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Hearing none, that motion passes.
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Now for the minutes of the May 12th meeting.
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Has everybody-
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Move to approve the minutes.
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Is there a second?
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Second.
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Okay.
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All those in favor?
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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And that passes.
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So now, at this time, we have the commissioner's report
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as slated. So go ahead, if you would, please.
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Once again, Dr. Preece is here as our interim, and
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will be providing this report.
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Thank you.
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First, I just want to thank the board again for entrusting me with this
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responsibility and taking some time last week to talk with me individually about
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your service on the Board of Education.
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Everyone has been very receptive and welcoming, staff have been
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fantastic, and their positive energy is contagious.
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I had the opportunity to attend the new superintendent's meeting on Tuesday and
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meet a few of our incoming school leaders. That was very exciting.
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Yesterday, I met with the governor's staff, and I have my first cabinet meeting
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tomorrow. So we're jumping right in, not wasting any time.
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In between all of these things, the staff and I have continued to advance the
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essential work at the top of the priorities of the board.
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Next, I want to introduce, we have new chief counsel,
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Megan Fork. Megan?
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Megan has been with us for about a month.
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She's back in the-
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You want to stand up, Megan?
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Yes. Stand so they can see you.
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I don't know. I'm short. It doesn't matter.
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Thank you.
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And then I did want to mention
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a former deputy commissioner, the gentleman who served as the deputy
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commissioner when I was here as the Deputy Commissioner of Learning Services, Dr.
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Ron Langford. And many people in this room know he passed away
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recently. Many people in this room and listening online knew former Deputy
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Commissioner of Finance and Administrative Services, Ron Langford.
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As I said, Ron passed away earlier this month.
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At his memorial on Friday, it was clear what an impact he had on education in
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Missouri, from his time as an educator and longtime superintendent in Webb
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City, to his role as deputy commissioner at DESE.
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Ron was honored by DESE as a pioneer in education at
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the annual conference for school administrators, I believe last
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year.
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So just wanted to acknowledge Dr. Langford and his contributions that
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he made to education across the state.
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Next, I have one
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shout-out to our Office of Special Education.
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They're kind of the quiet heroes, and they don't always get to come to the
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table with information. But they had their big review with the
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Office of Special Education at the national level, and
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their state performance plan was approved as meeting all
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requirements. They're one of only 20 states that have had
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that. And
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Mark said he's pretty sure that Missouri has the longest streak of
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meets requirements, that that's been going for about 15 years.
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So we're really proud of the work they do.
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Like I said, that it doesn't always come to the table, but they are
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a rock solid team, so we appreciate that.
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And then lastly, just a little bit of an update on the AF grade
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card
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report. We are doing our final edits to our executive
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order response regarding AF grading, and Assistant Commissioner
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Lisa Sereno has led that team, that includes stakeholders both inside and
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external to DESE.
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When I met with the governor's staff yesterday, they were very complimentary of
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Lisa and the department for the work that's been done so far.
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The response is due to the governor's office by June 30th, so we
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are making finishing touches on that, and won't have any problem hitting that
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deadline. So the next steps will be a review of the plan with
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this board in August, and then consideration
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of the AF grading framework by the board in September.
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So you'll have August to talk about it, discuss it, think about it, digest it, and
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then be ready to come back in September to
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give your approval or not.
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Dr. Preece?
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Yes, sir.
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So can you remind me, and is
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the A through F framework going to apply
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to this year's scores or next year?
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So that's part of the discussion that we're having
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right now. So we are to the point that we're
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finished with our work, right? We've worked with our stakeholders.
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We have the framework and everything.
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The sticky part gets into the logistics, and it's more technical than I want to
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delve into. But we're working with the governor's office on
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operationalizing that AF to get it out as quickly as
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possible.
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Just very briefly, we work with a central office of
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information technology, and they service all of the agencies.
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And so when they get new projects, they tend to just be in order of when they came
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in. And so the conversation I had with the governor's office yesterday was, "We
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understand that this is a priority for you, and we have done what we can do up to
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this point.
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We'll be ready to move forward, but
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this is the timeline that OAIT has given us for when they can produce it."
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So they were going to work with them and see if they couldn't accelerate that
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timeline a little bit so that it gets out at a decent time.
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Thank you.
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Okay. You're welcome.
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And that is all I have.
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Very good.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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With that, going into the president's report, we have Pamela Westbrook
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Hodge for the Strategic Planning Committee.
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No update. Thank you.
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Brooks Miller for the legislative committee.
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And for that, I'm going to just hand it over a little bit here to Dr.
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Preece, and give us an update
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Sure. One of the vacancies, as you are aware, is that
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Perry Goral has moved back to college and career
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readiness, and leaving the legislative liaison position as soon as I let him go,
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which I'm not going to do until we have somebody else.
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We are in the process of looking for good candidates for that
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position. So I came in and it had been posted,
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so the chance to look through all of those applications
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and recruit and see if there are any additional people
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who need to be part of that mix, and then we will start that right away.
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There is a sense of urgency to it. Fortunately, we're not in the middle of the
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legislative session right now,
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but there are, as you know, a couple of big vacancies and I'm
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thinking about and working on those, and I'll be sharing with you sort of where I
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intend to go with that. But we will have a leg--
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Hopefully, maybe by the next meeting, I can announce to you that we have a new
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legislative liaison.
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Great.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Okay. With that, we'll go to the governance committee. John Otto.
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All right. I don't
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have much to update, but
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since the governance committee didn't really meet.
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But I feel since this falls under governance, that maybe we could
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discuss, or I'll just throw out some ideas and we can discuss later,
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the brief agenda for the board
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retreat next month. Since that's only a few weeks away, I
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figured we should probably talk about what we
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wanted to talk about. So, and this is just me as the chair of the
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governance committee, I'm definitely
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happy to discuss or take suggestions, but whether now or
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offline.
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But I was thinking just a
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one day, 9:00 to 3:00 type deal,
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where we just give an orientation overview to the
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new board members. We discuss
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the status or our goals with the strategic plan,
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committee membership, and as you know, we have a strategic plan committee, a
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legislative committee, governance committee, and a finance committee.
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And then there will probably be some ad hoc committees around
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the commissioner search. And
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then,
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also to talk about, since we're all pretty much new now and we're going
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to have a new commissioner, kind of talk about our vision and our strategy and
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goals for this board. So again, that's just suggestions off
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the top of my head. But I'm happy to discuss,
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because June, I think it's July
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14th. That's pretty quick. That's going to be here pretty fast.
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Oh, go ahead.
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Go ahead, Mike.
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Mike Matusik.
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Yeah, I just want to echo what John said.
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I think
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trying to make the most of
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the next
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work session that we have, or retreat in July would be great.
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And I think my only
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comment really is that
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I would love for those meetings to be more of a discussion, right?
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Sort of a board discussion as opposed to sort of
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listening to presentations and asking a few questions.
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I think the board needs to have more time to discuss
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stuff and so that's the only comment I would make, but I think John outlined it
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well. Thank you.
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Ms. Casey?
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Yeah.
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I agree with all those comments, and I have a recommendation that now
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that we have a board president and board vice president,
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that
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you collectively meet and propose an agenda that you can share out to
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the board, and we can offer feedback to you and
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finalize the agenda within the next week.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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Yeah, I would also suggest if you have other items...
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So for me, one of the big things was, and I talked about, was
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where we end and where the local districts
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start.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I think that that's something that comes up routinely at some of our
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meetings, and I think if we had an understanding of exactly where our
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lines are and responsibilities and things, that would be very helpful.
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Okay.
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So is the date scheduled for that, is that on July 14th?
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I believe so, right.
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Has the location been announced?
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It'll be right here.
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It'll be right here. Perfect.
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Yeah, nothing fancy.
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Very good.
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Yeah.
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And...
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Yeah. And so I think if any of us have an
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immediate recommendation, just send a note over-
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Mm-hmm
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... or a phone call and then you can pull all that together-
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Yeah
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... and then we can all collectively review and finalize the agenda.
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Yeah, no, that sounds like a good plan, a good idea, and Brooks and I can touch
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base over the next week or so, and then get something out via email.
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And then depending on,
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this is just coming to me, depending on what
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we settle on for the agenda, I didn't know if we wanted to
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have a third-party facilitator to Mike's point.
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We can kind of get bogged down in discussion, and I would want to keep the meeting
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moving forward. So I don't know who that would be, but just throwing that out
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there. But we could talk about it
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offline.
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Yeah.
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What do you anticipate as far as time of meeting? How long?
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Like I said,
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just a midday, 9:00 to 3:00. That way, there's no overnight or
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anything.
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Okay.
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You kind of get to... And maybe do a working lunch or something like that, but.
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Except for Robbie, it'd probably be an overnight.
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Well, that's...
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I'm not getting up at 4:00.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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Any other questions about that, the board retreat?
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I'm certain there will be through the month, and please just don't hesitate to
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reach out to John or myself, and we'll get back with you
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on that.
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Okay.
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Mrs. Casey on the Finance Committee, please.
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Yes. Thank you, President Miller.
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So, the Finance Committee did meet during the month, and
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reviewed reports that you will see today, and let me summarize
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that. You will be seeing an executive summary of
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FY26. That is the current budget year, so
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we're really near the end of it, and you're going to see an
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update to the presentation that has been provided in our previous
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meeting. Our newest team member in the finance department,
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Rebecca, working very closely with Dr.
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Cruz, continues to make
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improvements, if you will, based on our feedback to the manner in which
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that data is presented. So, I hope you'll find today's presentation
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very helpful. And it'll also be helpful to our newest board
[24:56]
members.
[24:58]
Following that update on FY26, you will see a
[25:02]
summary, not in the same format, but more of a written summary,
[25:06]
on FY27. That
[25:09]
summary, in future meetings, will evolve.
[25:12]
But we'll get an update on where we stand with the changes that were made in the
[25:15]
final budget from the appropriations standpoint, and where the governor
[25:19]
stands on signature.
[25:22]
The third thing that you're going to see today is going to be just an
[25:26]
update on the preparation work to begin
[25:30]
on FY28.
[25:33]
So, on that point, I want to share that the
[25:36]
committee, which consists of John Otto and myself, have had
[25:40]
discussion about how we will move the
[25:44]
FY28 budget forward with
[25:47]
Dr. Cruz. And the committee will be meeting and reviewing all of
[25:51]
the preparation details,
[25:53]
the timeline, et cetera, for the FY28 budget.
[25:56]
Of course, our interim commissioner will be involved appropriately as well.
[26:01]
We will work, though, with Dr. Cruz to review, at a much more
[26:05]
detailed level, all the line items and the programs that are funded,
[26:09]
the justifications, the results, et cetera, and where the final
[26:13]
recommendations will be
[26:15]
at from the department's standpoint on what should be in the
[26:19]
FY28 budget. We will then be bringing key
[26:23]
insights and key questions for discussion at future board meetings to
[26:27]
inform you of
[26:30]
the inputs to the FY28 budget,
[26:34]
how it will work. It just won't be a review of all the line items.
[26:37]
We'll bring all of the material items and areas of
[26:41]
concern, recommendations for change, et cetera, for a broader, full
[26:45]
discussion, all in line with the timeline that will be spelled out by
[26:49]
Dr. Cruz,
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so that we will all be prepared to make an approval
[26:55]
in the appropriate meeting in the fall.
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Okay.
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Questions on that?
[27:03]
Hearing none, thank you.
[27:08]
Next on our agenda is the Missouri School
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Funding Modernization Task Force.
[27:15]
Casey and Westbrook Hodge.
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I'm happy to provide the update, Mr. President.
[27:22]
Fine. Thank you.
[27:23]
The task force is now in the recommendation
[27:27]
development phase of its work. At the June 1st meeting,
[27:31]
members focused on the county property assessment ratios
[27:35]
and two modeling options for the school funding formula.
[27:39]
So, I'll talk about the county property assessment ratios
[27:43]
first. So, great discussion
[27:46]
with the State Tax Commission staff.
[27:48]
We talked about the challenge of obtaining accurate market value
[27:52]
data for real estate.
[27:55]
That information is important because property values
[27:59]
affect local tax capacity, property tax collections,
[28:03]
and education revenue streams. The task force discussed
[28:07]
whether the formula should continue using available assessed
[28:10]
values, adjust local effort based on assessment
[28:14]
ratios, reduce the role of assessed value, or
[28:18]
recommend policy improvements outside the formula.
[28:22]
With respect to modeling options for the school funding formula,
[28:27]
we continued reviewing two modeling approaches.
[28:30]
One that modernizes the current formula structure, and
[28:34]
another that uses a combined wealth index incorporating
[28:38]
both property and income measures.
[28:41]
And then finally,
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we were asked to complete a prioritization
[28:47]
exercise, and members,
[28:51]
under a hypothetical $400 million limit,
[28:55]
were asked to prioritize some of the elements of both of
[28:58]
those
[28:59]
modeling options. Again, this is not a final recommendation,
[29:03]
but it will inform continued modeling.
[29:07]
The task force remains on schedule with
[29:11]
stakeholder feedback planned for the fall, and final
[29:14]
recommendations due to
[29:16]
Governor Kehoe by December 1st. That
[29:20]
concludes my update, Mr. President.
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Are there any questions with regards to that?
[29:26]
And that task force started meeting one year ago?
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Just about.
[29:31]
Yeah.
[29:31]
Yeah, summer 2025.
[29:33]
Yeah. So, there's been a lot of work around this, and it's quite
[29:37]
complicated.
[29:38]
It's quite complicated. The biggest hurdle is
[29:42]
accurate
[29:44]
property values and-
[29:46]
Mm-hmm
[29:47]
... because that's our primary revenue stream.
[29:50]
And so, I'm not quite sure how much control we
[29:54]
have over influencing the accuracy of
[29:58]
those numbers.
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Mm-hmm.
[30:01]
So, therein lies our big challenge we're trying to figure out how to work around.
[30:05]
Sure. Brooke? Okay, thank you. Mr. Matusik?
[30:09]
Pamela, just a quick process question.
[30:11]
So, when the task force
[30:14]
The task force will come up with multiple recommendations, several options
[30:18]
for the governor. Is that correct?
[30:20]
Yeah.
[30:22]
Three is the mandate. Right now we're modeling two, which is, one, an
[30:26]
update to the current formula, and then the new one that I just described.
[30:30]
And so will the task force essentially vote on each of the
[30:33]
recommendations that are being sent to the governor, or how does
[30:38]
the task force decide?
[30:40]
So, good question. We haven't gotten to the particulars of
[30:44]
how we will make the decision. My recommendation
[30:48]
would be to use a scoring rubric where we evaluate
[30:52]
each option, so we objectively determine, based
[30:55]
on important attributes, which one best meets
[30:59]
those attributes. That would be my recommendation to be objective and fair.
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Thank you.
[31:05]
You're welcome.
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President Miller?
[31:08]
Yes.
[31:09]
Thank you. I would like to also give an update on NASBE, the National
[31:13]
State Boards of Education
[31:17]
Association.
[31:18]
So, for our newest board members,
[31:22]
there is an organization called NASBE, the National Association of State
[31:25]
Boards of Education, and we, as the
[31:29]
state of Missouri, are members of this association,
[31:32]
as are many or most of all the other states, as well
[31:38]
as Guam, as a...
[31:42]
Now I forgot the word, but an associated
[31:46]
territory. Thank you. Of the United States.
[31:49]
So, it is a very informative group.
[31:52]
The association continuously brings together board
[31:56]
members from all the states to discuss key topics.
[32:00]
So we learn a lot from each other. They have monthly calls.
[32:03]
They have working groups that might focus on a particular
[32:07]
topic or undertake a particular project.
[32:11]
They hold conferences. There's actually a new member conference that will
[32:15]
be taking place in just a couple of weeks, and it might be too soon for either
[32:19]
of you to travel to it, but it is very informative.
[32:22]
There is a national conference that takes place at the end of
[32:25]
October, and I invite all board members to travel to
[32:29]
that, not that you're able to, but to be aware of it.
[32:32]
I will be going, and as a new board member, if you're free to go, and I'll be
[32:36]
sure that you receive the information,
[32:39]
you would find it very informative.
[32:41]
One, the ability to meet other board members from across the states,
[32:45]
understand their structures, their challenges,
[32:48]
and just making those relationships, but
[32:52]
then also learn about key initiatives that are happening in education
[32:56]
around the country.
[32:58]
So, I will also make sure that you've been added to the mailing
[33:02]
list so that you're aware of whenever phone calls, or they have a monthly
[33:06]
exchange, as I mentioned, where all the states come together and give updates,
[33:10]
and it's very informative. And from the June exchange, I would
[33:14]
like to share just two key updates that
[33:18]
the state of Illinois has just released their comprehensive
[33:21]
numeracy plan. I know that has been an important focus of
[33:25]
our department here. And
[33:28]
so that is now available. It is modeled after their literacy
[33:32]
plan that was released in 2024. Of course, we've
[33:36]
had a literacy plan in place for a few years longer than that.
[33:39]
But I have not yet reviewed the numeracy plan,
[33:43]
but I've
[33:46]
in fact forwarded it over to Lisa Sereno, so she is aware of it,
[33:50]
and I encourage the department to be taking a look at that.
[33:54]
Secondly, Indiana is adjusting their
[33:57]
accountability model. Now, all states have different accountability models,
[34:01]
so don't be confused with this update.
[34:04]
How they view an accountability model is
[34:08]
based on that A through F grade card approach.
[34:11]
That is not where our accountability model is today.
[34:15]
Our accountability model is based on
[34:18]
the APR, the annual performance
[34:22]
rating that is
[34:24]
for all districts.
[34:26]
However, in Indiana, they're making adjustments to their A through F model
[34:31]
to begin to incorporate just a few things beyond, I
[34:35]
think in one way, where we have our A through F,
[34:39]
and we'll learn more about that in August.
[34:40]
But one key point that they're doing is they're going to
[34:43]
be scoring it at the individual
[34:46]
student level,
[34:48]
and the accumulation of the student scores
[34:52]
will become the school score. Where
[34:56]
in
[34:57]
the initial model, and possibly in our model, it is starting out, and we'll
[35:01]
again learn more about it, so I could be speaking incorrectly, where it is based on
[35:05]
an average of the school score,
[35:08]
not built at the individual student level.
[35:11]
So, as Tracy said earlier, there's a lot of technical
[35:15]
things to understand here. So, I encourage you,
[35:19]
Stacy, to become familiar with the Indiana model.
[35:21]
Not that it will change ours at this moment in time, because
[35:25]
we're ready to submit our plan, but to be aware of what's happening in all the
[35:29]
other states, so as we learn and evolve
[35:32]
with the implementation of the A through F, it might guide us in the future.
[35:37]
The next meeting will be on August 3rd.
[35:40]
I will make sure, again, that you're made aware of it if you would like to join
[35:43]
that in a Zoom meeting.
[35:46]
And that's the update.
[35:47]
Great. Thank you for that, Mrs. Casey. Appreciate it. Hey, one question.
[35:52]
Do we have
[35:53]
the conference this summer with school administrators that we had last
[35:57]
summer?
[35:58]
Yes. I would probably let
[36:02]
someone else speak more to where the planning is for that-
[36:05]
Yeah. I think-
[36:05]
... but it is carrying on.
[36:06]
Okay. I was able to attend it last year, and I would
[36:10]
encourage members of the board, if they had time, to sit in on
[36:13]
some of the classes, or could attend and sit in on some of the classes, because I
[36:17]
thought it was relevant.
[36:20]
Yeah, I was just going to ask about that.
[36:21]
I'm looking at online, it's July 26th through the 28th at
[36:25]
Tan-Tar-A. Is that right? Yeah
[36:27]
That is correct. It's July... Yeah, Kyle Kruse, deputy commissioner of Financial
[36:30]
Administrative Services. It's July 26th, 27th, and 28th at
[36:34]
Margaritaville Tan-Tar-A. The Sunday night session is largely a
[36:38]
commissioner's welcome.
[36:40]
Monday is the day when we have the general session.
[36:43]
We have a keynote speaker, Ed Hightower, who actually is a former NCAA
[36:47]
official and a school person. And then we have breakout sessions
[36:51]
throughout the morning on a variety of topics.
[36:54]
We have the Pioneers Luncheon to recognize our heroes in
[36:58]
education, and then more breakout sessions in the afternoon, followed
[37:02]
by a new superintendent's recognition in the evening
[37:06]
on Monday. And the breakout sessions right now are set up, I think
[37:09]
there's five different slots and
[37:14]
four different sessions going on in each
[37:18]
slot. So, it's a good variety of...
[37:21]
I think we have 19 topics total, and a couple are being repeated.
[37:25]
So, they'd be great, and I know everyone will be glad to see the state board there
[37:28]
representing and supporting public education.
[37:32]
The end
[37:33]
morning is Tuesday, and there will be a
[37:38]
guest speaker. Our superintendent of the year, I believe, is scheduled to be there.
[37:41]
I'm double-checking that. I'll give a school finance update,
[37:45]
and the commissioner will close us out.
[37:47]
But we'd be glad to have you in attendance for any or all.
[37:51]
And Dr. Kruse, we're close to finalizing that agenda, correct?
[37:55]
And having all-
[37:55]
We are very close
[37:56]
... those in place-
[37:56]
Yes
[37:56]
... so we could send out the final agenda.
[37:58]
Yes. What we're doing right now is finishing the titles and descriptions of each
[38:01]
session, all the breakout sessions.
[38:03]
We hope to have that done in the next week and a half, and we can provide that to
[38:06]
you.
[38:07]
Perfect.
[38:08]
Thank you. Appreciate that. Last year, do you know what your attendance was
[38:12]
last year from...
[38:14]
Sorry to make you say, but it was well attended, I imagine.
[38:16]
It is well attended, right.
[38:19]
If I had to ballpark it, we're in the 500 and some person range.
[38:22]
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[38:24]
So if you have time and could get up there, I think it would be an important
[38:28]
or valuable resource of learning.
[38:32]
So at this time, we have the consent agenda.
[38:36]
Are there any items on the consent agenda requiring discussion?
[38:40]
Move to approve consent.
[38:41]
Second.
[38:42]
Okay.
[38:43]
Thank you, Mr. Matousek and Mrs. Casey.
[38:46]
All those in favor of approving the consent agenda say, "Aye."
[38:49]
Aye.
[38:49]
Aye.
[38:50]
Any opposed? Hearing none,
[38:53]
we'll turn it over now to
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Dr. Paul Katnik. I think he's got several items that he's going to present today,
[39:00]
and I welcome him to the board, to the discussion.
[39:15]
Mr. President, members of the board, good morning.
[39:18]
As you pointed out, I have several items for you coming up next.
[39:22]
First time, I am Paul Katnik. I am the head of the Office of Educator
[39:26]
Quality here at DESE. Our next seven items are about rules.
[39:31]
But before we get into each of those, I wanted to provide a brief
[39:34]
overview about both the purpose and the process for
[39:38]
rulemaking. Missouri statute often explicitly states
[39:42]
that the State Board of Education shall promulgate rules in
[39:45]
particular areas or to address particular needs.
[39:49]
In these upcoming agenda items, we'll be talking about standards for the mentoring
[39:53]
of new teachers, because Missouri law says those standards should
[39:57]
be established by the State Board of Education, and we do that by
[40:01]
creating these rules. Your other agenda items are about certification
[40:05]
requirements for educators, which Missouri statute says are set
[40:09]
by the State Board of Education, and we, again, we establish
[40:13]
those requirements and rules. All rules like this require approval
[40:17]
from you as board members to ensure that we are compliant with Missouri law.
[40:21]
This handout, which I believe all of you have received,
[40:25]
is the process for getting rules revised and approved.
[40:28]
Usually, preparing for this process that we go through with all of you
[40:31]
takes a year or more. For our certification rules today, it actually has
[40:35]
taken two years, and the reason for that is because it includes efforts
[40:39]
of work groups of educators, of higher education, professional
[40:42]
organizations, and stakeholders who determine what changes or
[40:46]
additions should be made to a set of standards or requirements.
[40:50]
This preparation phase also includes the involvement of two
[40:54]
statutorily required advisory groups.
[40:57]
One is the Missouri Advisory Council for Certification of Educators,
[41:01]
we call that MACCE for short, and the other is the Missouri Advisory
[41:05]
Board for Educator Preparation, called MABEP.
[41:08]
These two advisory groups were created by statute to ensure that there is
[41:12]
sufficient stakeholder input and involvement before we bring any
[41:16]
recommended changes to you. In the upcoming items, you will hear us
[41:20]
report on the extent of support from MACCE and from MABEP on our
[41:24]
items. Once we have all that ready, this process begins, and
[41:28]
it can take anywhere from eight to 12 months to fully complete.
[41:31]
So, I'm just going to walk you through some of these steps that are contained here
[41:35]
in the graphic. The governor's office first gets time to review the
[41:39]
proposed changes. They can take up to a month.
[41:42]
And while that review is happening, we are also routing the rule and any of
[41:46]
its supporting documents through our department leadership, and
[41:49]
also through the legal counsel, and we are submitting rules and supporting
[41:53]
documents to the DESE rules team. We also often
[41:57]
provide an information presentation to the State Board of Education to
[42:01]
introduce the issue and forecast the upcoming changes.
[42:05]
However, at that presentation, there is no vote from you at that time.
[42:08]
We're just building your awareness around it.
[42:11]
We did a March presentation for all of you board members and a May
[42:14]
presentation on our upcoming items.
[42:17]
At the next meeting, which is today's meeting, the State Board of Education will
[42:20]
get an overview of the rule, including why the change is being made,
[42:25]
who assisted in the work group The support of MACIE and MABEP and
[42:28]
implications for the revised version.
[42:31]
Then we'll be asking you as a board today to authorize publication in the Missouri
[42:35]
Register, which allows us to post it for a required 30-day public
[42:39]
comment period.
[42:41]
Step three, then it's filed by Secretary of State and the Joint Committee on
[42:45]
Administrative Rules. That usually takes about a month.
[42:48]
It is then published, step four, in the Missouri Register, which
[42:53]
contains all of the published rules, and it allows for a
[42:56]
statutorily required public comment of 30 days.
[43:00]
Our goal with rules that we bring to you is to get no public
[43:04]
comment, and that's because we're hoping we've done our homework well enough ahead
[43:08]
of time, that we've discussed it, everyone knows about it, and if there were any
[43:12]
issues, we've addressed those even before we bring it to you.
[43:16]
Step five, after public comment, we have three months to get it back to the State
[43:20]
Board of Education, or we have to start this entire process
[43:24]
all over again. This is to ensure that the rule is being changed, has
[43:27]
current approval, and current support.
[43:31]
Then at step six, there's a second presentation to the State Board of
[43:34]
Education, and at that presentation, you'll hear a summary of
[43:39]
all of the comments that we've received, and a
[43:42]
response on whether a change will be made, and if so, why or why not.
[43:47]
For these upcoming rules today, we will anticipate a second
[43:50]
presentation being made to you in September.
[43:53]
Final approval of the rule then gets requested from you at that meeting.
[43:58]
If you approve, it's then filed with the Joint Committee on
[44:01]
Administrative Rules in its finalized form for their
[44:05]
review, which is mostly a technical review of edits
[44:09]
to be sure it's internally consistent and also consistent with other
[44:12]
rules. It is then filed with the Secretary of State's office,
[44:16]
which manages the government rule process.
[44:19]
If approved there, down to step nine, they are now posted in the Missouri Register
[44:23]
with all other rules, and then the full text of the rule, step
[44:27]
10, is published in the Code of State Regulations, which is home
[44:31]
to all the rules. And then step 11 is the effective date.
[44:35]
In some instances, rules that we bring before you, one of them today, it'll be
[44:39]
effective immediately. But in other ones, when we have to allow time for
[44:42]
structures to kind of change and adapt, it may be a year or two
[44:46]
down the road before it actually becomes effective.
[44:49]
So now that we reviewed why and how the rule-making happens,
[44:54]
we'll begin with agenda item F, which is on our
[44:58]
mentoring standards.
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I am joined by Dr. Bobbi Jo Lewis. She's in my office.
[45:04]
She's the coordinator of educator development in our office
[45:08]
here. Among other responsibilities, she coordinates
[45:12]
the Missouri Teacher Development System, what we call the
[45:15]
MTDS. This program provides intensive support to
[45:19]
thousands of teachers across the state. Many of them are new teachers.
[45:23]
Missouri Statute
[45:25]
161.375, it states that the department shall develop
[45:29]
standards for high-quality mentoring programs for beginning teachers.
[45:33]
The standards shall be applicable to all public schools and shall be developed to
[45:37]
ensure that required district mentor programs all meet
[45:41]
common objectives. Subsection three of that law states that
[45:45]
the board shall require holders of the four-year initial professional
[45:49]
certificate to participate in a mentor program approved
[45:53]
and provided by the district for two years.
[45:56]
And this is applicable to every area of certification.
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Doesn't matter what kind of a teacher that you are.
[46:02]
Research tells us, there's a lot of studies on this, that high-quality mentoring
[46:06]
is essential for retaining new teachers.
[46:08]
Numerous studies show us that teachers who receive high-quality support in
[46:12]
the early years of their career remain in our profession longer.
[46:17]
Improving teacher retention has been an essential focus of
[46:21]
our department for the past six years, and it's also a priority area for
[46:25]
the department's strategic plan. Thank you.
[46:29]
We shared this slide with you last month in May when we did our information
[46:32]
meeting, and we're just sharing it here again today as a reminder.
[46:35]
Missouri has had over 7,700 beginning teachers
[46:39]
enter the classroom. These new teachers influence the learning of well
[46:43]
over 150,000 students. The retention rate of
[46:47]
beginning teachers, which is the
[46:50]
green line down there at the bottom, is the lowest category of retention when
[46:54]
compared to other groups of teachers.
[46:56]
The data shown here confirms why emphasizing high-quality
[47:00]
mentoring is so important. Retention rates of first-year teachers, while
[47:04]
improving in the last year or so, shows a steady decline over the
[47:08]
past six years. This occurs for a variety of reasons.
[47:11]
In exit surveys, the number one reason first-year teachers leave the
[47:15]
profession, they tell us, is due to lack of support.
[47:19]
Support for new teachers can come in a variety of ways.
[47:22]
High-quality mentoring as a part of teacher induction helps support
[47:26]
those new teachers.
[47:28]
I'll now ask Dr. Lewis to describe the process and the changes we
[47:31]
propose to be made to the state's mentor standards.
[47:36]
Good morning. It's a pleasure to be here today.
[47:39]
Stakeholder input is key to ensuring that any changes to rules that we
[47:43]
propose will be good for the overall profession.
[47:46]
A work group consisting of a variety of stakeholders met regularly for almost two
[47:50]
years to create the proposed revisions to the mentor standards.
[47:53]
The teacher organizations met with their members and brought back valuable feedback
[47:57]
that was considered when these revisions were drafted.
[48:00]
The revisions were approved unanimously by this work group, and there's a list of
[48:04]
the work group members here on this slide.
[48:07]
They were presented to the Missouri Advisory Council for Certification of
[48:10]
Educators, MACIE.
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The advisory council is required by statute to review proposed changes to
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certification before they are presented to you.
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We presented these changes in their April meeting, and they voted unanimously in
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favor of the proposed revisions.
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This slide contains a link and a QR code that will take you to the current mentor
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guidelines. You can also access the new proposed mentor guidelines here
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as well.
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This next slide is a
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overview, highlights of the current mentor guidelines and the
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proposed changes.
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The current mentoring program standards were adopted by the Missouri State Board of
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Education in February of 2017. Since that time, there have
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been significant challenges in the recruitment and retention of beginning teachers.
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The current format is confusing and it's difficult to read.
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There are no clear definitions, and the phrases are outdated
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and no longer relevant in some cases.
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The current standards do not provide clear expectations of contact hours and do
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not clearly explain what it means for support to be ongoing.
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So as you take a look at this
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table, it shows the areas of the differences, it shows what the
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current guidelines show, and then the new proposed guidelines.
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So in the new guidelines, we're looking at clearly defining the Beginning Teacher
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Assistance Program, that's BTAP. You know there's lots of acronyms in education.
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What contact hours looks like. It clearly defines what ongoing looks
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like, and talks more about that mentor/mentee and the mentoring
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toolbox, and what role is taken place by the Professional Development Committee.
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We also take a look at defining more exactly what a mentor should be.
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Instead of focusing on a specific number of years, we look more at what they
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bring to the table, the experiences that they have.
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Those experienced teachers should be willing to attend ongoing professional
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development and mentor training so they can become the best mentor possible.
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And then school districts and charter schools will be able to ensure that regular
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meetings occur between those mentor and mentee.
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We also highlight in the new guidelines how confidential this
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is. This is not meant to be evaluative of those teachers.
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It is very important that this relationship is a back-and-forth
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communication and a sharing of experiences and knowledge, and it is not meant to
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be evaluative. And so we talk pretty clearly in those
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standards that it is not evaluative and that it is confidential except for
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in specific cases of individual safety and child endangerment.
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We also clarify the stakeholders that are involved in the program,
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what it should look like, who should be involved.
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It does retain the four release periods and the four observations, but it very
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clearly recommends the number of contact hours and how that should be broken down
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throughout the year.
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This slide contains a link and a QR code to the existing
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Appendix A. This is a companion document to the mentoring
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standards, and it also, as you can see, has the link and the QR
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code if you would like to look at the full
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document.
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This slide highlights the differences between the existing information in Appendix
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A and the new information that we're proposing for the new Appendix A.
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Appendix A of the state's mentoring standards was also officially adopted by the
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State Board in 2017. While Appendix A was meant to serve as
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a tool and provide clarity, districts found the topics to be overly
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broad and confusing and difficult to implement.
[51:37]
Appendix A currently includes a matrix of roles of multiple stakeholders that are
[51:41]
no longer relevant. Overall, the document is not user-friendly, and it does
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not have a formal way to track any of the fields.
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So this is also a table that shows an overview of
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the old Appendix A and the new proposed Appendix A.
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We really looked at simplifying it, making it user-friendly.
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That was the number one complaint that I received from districts.
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And so we looked at really making this form to be something that they can
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use.
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We narrowed down the scope. We got rid of external
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stakeholders, really focused on that relationship between the district, the
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administrator, the mentor, and the mentee teachers.
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We included logs, signatures, dated records for usage.
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Really looked at trying to make the different sections clearly
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identifiable so they could have a clear understanding of what is expected from each
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role. And we also turned it into an action-oriented checklist
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instead of
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a chart that was difficult for them to read.
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I often receive questions from districts searching for tools and other
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items that would help them with their existing mentoring programs.
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A lot of districts lack the resources or capacity to create
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items that can be easily accessed and used.
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Based on this feedback, I'm very excited to share with you the mentoring toolbox.
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This is a compilation of tools that districts can use to help strengthen their
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mentoring programs. The toolbox will be available,
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I hope by August 15th when school starts.
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But
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all districts in Missouri can use it.
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There is a link embedded here that will take you to the tools, or you can use the
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QR code. But basically, these are things that they can use, and they
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can easily adapt to their own district.
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It really helps them with some clearly
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defined agreements between the mentors and the mentees, what those
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roles look like, and really just helps lay out an entire mentoring
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program for the district if they choose to use it.
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Again, it is by choice, but it is available for those districts that would like to
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use it.
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So, item F on your agenda. We now, with that
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information in front of you, recommend that you authorize publication of
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these new standards,
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and that will allow us to put it out for public comment.
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So moved.
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Is there a second?
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Second.
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We have a second. This is Westbrook Hodge. Now, can you take some questions?
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Yes, please.
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I have maybe a couple questions. Does every school district
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in the state of Missouri have a mentoring program?
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Every school district has to mentor their new teachers. That's a requirement.
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That is a requirement.
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Right. And so this toolbox is to give them the tools to help them do it
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well.
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Is there a fiscal note with it or anything?
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No.
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They're just required to do it.
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Correct.
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It's interesting to me that
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If you were superintendent and were dealing with teachers leaving and
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things of that nature,
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that
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we're kind of micro telling them what they need to be doing to keep
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teachers.
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It's just strange to me
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how we
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take on this responsibility of mentoring,
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when really it should be taken on by leadership. That's my opinion.
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Yeah.
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And I appreciate-
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The actual requirement is that new teachers be mentored for a
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period of two years, and that it be provided by the district.
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What this represents is a resource that you can use.
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We don't make them use the toolbox, but we have it available to them if they'd like
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to. And based on the feedback we get, a lot of districts would like the
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extra resources to help them do a better job at it because they know
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retention, especially of early career teachers, is tied so
[55:30]
closely to how they support them in the early years of their career.
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Okay.
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Any other questions?
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Mrs. Casey.
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Thank you.
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Dr. Kantnik and Bobby, thank you so much for the update.
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Do you
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ever go out and assess the mentoring programs that are
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in place, and look for best practices across the different districts, and
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have a method for districts to come together to share best
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practices?
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So I do actually travel the state as my role, when
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I look at programs for Missouri Teacher Development System.
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So I do have a chance to talk to administrators and teachers.
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And so while it's not an evaluative process of their programs, I
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do talk to people in all the regions, and I bring that information back.
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And then we also had other individuals from stakeholders around the state involved
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in the work group that worked on this mentoring program, mentoring standards.
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But I do not do an assessment of that, no.
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And do we have,
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specifically an ability to tie data back
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to the mentors and their... And maybe that is a point you covered
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earlier in the data on the success of the mentoring
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programs and their likelihood of staying longer and
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their effectiveness in the classroom, tying it back to
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that cohort of then academic outcomes.
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Yeah. That's the retention data that we shared with you previously.
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Okay. Yeah.
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So we're able to follow cohorts of new teachers. Dr.
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Lewis a couple of years ago updated the Beginning Teacher Assistance Program
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standards. And about that time, we saw an uptick in
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retention rates. So we think we can attribute some of that
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to us doing a better job of supporting new teachers, which happens through the
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Beginning Teacher Assistance Program and through these standards that were-
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But it's not directly tied by knowing they followed
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this methodology and therefore these are the outcomes as opposed to other
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methodologies in their mentoring.
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Right. And I think that's respecting what President Brooks-Miller was
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saying about, it is a district obligation to be sure they're
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mentored. And so we try to provide aggregate data that says how are we
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collectively doing in this area.
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And one final point, just maybe a recommendation that to have
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an annual call or not
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necessarily at our annual conference, but where everybody could participate.
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At the conference, you have to pick and choose what you're going to
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participate in. But some method where schools can come
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together through
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a facilitation by the department to
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understand each other's mentoring programs, share best practices, et cetera.
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In some ways that's kind of happening.
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The Beginning Teacher Assistance Program happens simultaneous to mentoring,
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and Dr. Lewis has trainings that happen all across the
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state for those very same teachers, and that's where she gets the feedback on how
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mentoring is happening.
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Oh.
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We do have a program through MTDS that is for mentors.
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It's the Foundations of Mentoring.
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And so they come from around the state and can participate in those programs in
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their regions, and have a chance to talk to other teachers that are mentors, and
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develop those skills.
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Good. Thank you, Dr. Lewis and Dr. Kantnik.
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Thank you.
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Any other questions?
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I have a question, Dr. Lewis and Dr. Kantnik.
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Will the mentors themselves be required to have a mentor?
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No, that's not a requirement.
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Okay.
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Yeah. It's highly recommended through the standards that they get training,
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and that's where part of what Dr. Lewis offers is
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there's a resource for them.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Mr. Otto.
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Yeah, I have a question. Sorry, it's not really on topic, but there's a slide in
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here about the retention for first year
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teachers. It shows the line-
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Yes. Mm-hmm
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... and everything. So, it's kind of making me have other questions that aren't
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really related to the mentor-mentee program, but,
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I think some information like this or graphics like this on just overall teacher
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retention and historically would be helpful for
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us to know. And like I said, this is off topic, but maybe for the future-
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Yeah
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... if we could-
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We-
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Yeah, there's an annual recruitment and retention report that gets sent to the
[59:44]
general assembly. It gets sent to you first, and includes
[59:48]
data just like this, plus additional workforce data, which I think is what you're
[59:52]
getting at.
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We've done, I think, a pretty good job of tracking workforce data over the
[59:57]
last several years, and so that's why you're able to see six years of data
[1:00:00]
here, because we think the historic trends are really important to watch.
[1:00:04]
And so there's a whole report
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that's done each year for you.
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What time of the year?
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December. It's due to the general assembly by the 15th of December.
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So it gets presented to us in the fall.
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Yeah. We provide it to you, and then we send it to them.
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Okay. All right. So we can expect to see that in the-
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And I'm happy to send you last year's if you'd like to see last year's report.
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That'd be helpful. Yeah.
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Okay.
[1:00:25]
Thank you.
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Other questions?
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We do have a motion and a second.
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I'll call for the vote. All those in favor of approving?
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Aye.
[1:00:36]
Any opposed?
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Hearing none,
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rule passes.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thanks.
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Paul, it's pretty much your show today, huh?
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Mm-hmm.
[1:00:57]
He's taken over.
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Yeah. Anybody need a Tylenol real quick before we go on?
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Okay. I'm now joined by Dr. Daryl Fridley.
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He's the coordinator of educator preparation.
[1:01:07]
He manages the approval process for educator preparation programs across the
[1:01:10]
state. The approval of these programs is contingent on the
[1:01:14]
graduates meeting the certification requirements that are set by you as a board.
[1:01:18]
The degree program itself, and the learning content and classes for that degree
[1:01:22]
program, are under the authority of the university as they work to
[1:01:26]
meet the standards set by the Department of Higher Education and Workforce
[1:01:30]
Development. And I just pull that out to help you
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understand your authority as a board is over the requirements of the
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certification itself, not over an actual
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program.
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Being an approved program means that they are able to recommend candidates for
[1:01:45]
certification because they have met your requirements that you have set as a board.
[1:01:49]
In our office, the Office of Educator Quality, we work directly with educator
[1:01:53]
preparation programs. We also issue certificates of licenses
[1:01:57]
to teach through our certification system.
[1:01:59]
We have, just for some numbers for you, we have about 80,000
[1:02:02]
educators in the state. Many of them have multiple areas of certification,
[1:02:06]
so our system manages about 600,000 active
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certificates. And then we also support practicing educators who are
[1:02:14]
teachers and school leaders, much like the development of the mentor standards for
[1:02:17]
new teachers you just heard about in the previous item.
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Thank you.
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One piece of educator quality is the preparation of new teachers.
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As a reminder, there are three main levels the board can use to influence the
[1:02:30]
quality and numbers of educators completing educator
[1:02:33]
preparation programs. Your first area kind of
[1:02:37]
oversight is educator certification.
[1:02:40]
You have the authority to alter requirements a candidate must meet to earn
[1:02:43]
certification. Recent actions that have been taken by this board
[1:02:47]
include a path to certification in middle and secondary computer
[1:02:51]
science, also revisions to the requirements for certification of
[1:02:54]
literacy specialists. And we'll be doing more of that
[1:02:58]
today. The second area is program approval.
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The board decides which institutions and organizations are authorized
[1:03:05]
to prepare teachers. And then your third area of oversight is
[1:03:09]
annual program accreditation. You determine which of the approved
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educator preparation providers will be eligible to continue
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recommending candidates for certification in the coming year.
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Our recommendations today are related to the first area, educator
[1:03:25]
certification. As we already talked about today, those requirements are approved
[1:03:29]
by you as a board. Dr. Fridley now will explain the recommendations we are
[1:03:33]
bringing to you today in detail.
[1:03:38]
Good morning.
[1:03:39]
All the recommendations we're bringing to you today are related to the
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process of becoming a teacher and making that process more
[1:03:47]
transparent and understandable, and therefore, more
[1:03:50]
navigable for individuals who want to become teachers.
[1:03:53]
This is in line with the governor's great initiative on
[1:03:57]
improving efficiency in government.
[1:04:00]
So we want to make it easy to understand the process.
[1:04:05]
The first two rules we are recommending for changes are connected to each other.
[1:04:10]
I'll just make a note here. In our presentation, we'll refer to just the
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final number. You see the rule numbers are relatively long,
[1:04:19]
but they're all in chapter 400, and so we'll just refer to
[1:04:22]
500. The first, Rule 500, is a rule that describes the basic
[1:04:26]
requirements for all teacher certifications and all routes by which
[1:04:30]
someone can achieve teacher certification.
[1:04:33]
The second, 210, describes a path to teacher certification that
[1:04:37]
is not included in 500, but should be.
[1:04:46]
The general implication of Rule 500 is that it includes all
[1:04:50]
routes to teacher certification, but does not
[1:04:54]
currently meet that objective. It doesn't include routes that teachers may
[1:04:58]
take with the American Board for Certification of Teacher Excellence, or
[1:05:02]
ABCTE,
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Teachers of Tomorrow, or via reciprocity with other
[1:05:07]
states. To address that, the proposed Rule 500 adds
[1:05:11]
ABCTE language
[1:05:13]
from 210, adds new language referencing Teachers of Tomorrow,
[1:05:18]
and adds a section explaining certification through reciprocity.
[1:05:23]
It also clarifies some aspects of the process for adding
[1:05:26]
additional certifications.
[1:05:28]
Just a quick comment about reciprocity.
[1:05:31]
Currently, Missouri has in statute that we accept licenses
[1:05:34]
from any other state. We're really one of the few in the country that if you're
[1:05:38]
licensed as an elementary teacher in Idaho, you
[1:05:42]
get the equivalent comparable certificate in Missouri just by presenting your
[1:05:46]
license from that state.
[1:05:48]
What Dr. Fridley is describing here is that should be articulated in
[1:05:52]
Rule 500, and it's not. And so one of the proposed changes is to get that
[1:05:56]
language in there.
[1:06:01]
The other main change to 500 is structural, and you'll
[1:06:05]
note simply collecting all the requirements for certification into a single
[1:06:09]
section instead of several. Again, just trying to make it
[1:06:13]
more easy to understand. Having moved the language about
[1:06:17]
ABCTE into Rule 500, the related proposal is to rescind Rule
[1:06:21]
210. So if you looked at that in a vacuum, you'd think we were getting rid of
[1:06:25]
a particular route, but that's not the case. We're simply moving it.
[1:06:29]
I'd also like to note one item that looks like a change, but isn't.
[1:06:32]
The requirement for a 3.0 GPA in professional
[1:06:35]
education has been removed from this rule.
[1:06:38]
That's not a change, a removal to the
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requirements.
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It is in the appropriate rules for all the specific certification
[1:06:47]
areas, as you'll see when we get to those rules.
[1:06:49]
So it's still a requirement, it's just in its more appropriate place.
[1:06:53]
Both of the main advisory groups for educator preparation and certification, the
[1:06:57]
Missouri Advisory Board for Educator Preparation, and the Missouri
[1:07:01]
Advisory Council of Certification for Educators, have voted
[1:07:05]
to approve these two recommendations.
[1:07:09]
So we are now on agenda item G.
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With the movement of ABCT out of 210, 210 is no longer
[1:07:17]
necessary, and so our recommendation today is
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your authorization to rescind Rule 210.
[1:07:27]
Okay, so we have a request.
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Do I hear a motion for the recension of that, is it 210?
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210, correct.
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Rule 210.
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So moved.
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Second.
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Okay. Carrie Casey,
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Mike Watusik.
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Okay, John.
[1:07:44]
In the motion, can
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we clarify that you're rescinding it, but moving it to section 500?
[1:07:50]
Well, we will follow that up with H, which talks about-
[1:07:53]
Oh, there's another one
[1:07:53]
... all the stuff we've added into 500.
[1:07:55]
So that's why we're kind of doing them together with you.
[1:07:57]
Got it.
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And to clarify or reconfirm, this is for publication
[1:08:03]
in the Missouri Register, so this will come
[1:08:07]
before us again-
[1:08:08]
It will, yeah
[1:08:09]
... with the comments received and the final recommendation and vote for approval.
[1:08:12]
Right. Once they publicize, it'll get 30 days of comment, and then Dr.
[1:08:15]
Fridley and I'll be back in September.
[1:08:17]
We'll let you know everything we heard about it, and then only then does it become
[1:08:21]
official.
[1:08:24]
Further questions on it?
[1:08:27]
Okay, so
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did you make the motion, Mrs. Casey?
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And you seconded, John?
[1:08:33]
I second.
[1:08:34]
Okay, Mike.
[1:08:35]
So all those in favor of the motion as presented?
[1:08:38]
Aye.
[1:08:38]
Aye.
[1:08:39]
Any opposed?
[1:08:41]
Hearing none, that passes.
[1:08:42]
Thank you. And then we're on item H, and this one is Rule
[1:08:45]
500, and it now includes ABCTE. It includes Teachers of
[1:08:49]
Tomorrow. It includes an explanation of
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reciprocity, and it's got some structural updates, and
[1:08:56]
we're asking for your authorization to publicize for public comment of this one as
[1:09:00]
well.
[1:09:02]
So moved.
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Second.
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Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any further questions?
[1:09:09]
Thank you for all the information.
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I know a lot of these are
[1:09:14]
structural or updates, technical changes,
[1:09:18]
consolidating sections, but if there is something in any of
[1:09:22]
these that
[1:09:23]
is sort of bigger than that or if there's opposing comments
[1:09:27]
that, as part of your discussions with stakeholders, it would be helpful to hear
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that. I don't think there usually is.
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Like you said, usually when you bring stuff here,
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you've worked a lot of things out with stakeholders.
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Mm-hmm. We have. And the votes from MACI and MABE are
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important, because that's their chance to
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kind of direct your attention to that, and both were unanimous on these
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being good ideas.
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Thank you.
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Okay, any other questions?
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Excuse me. All those in favor say aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Any opposed?
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Hearing none, that passes as well.
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Thank you.
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The next proposed rule change relates to certification to work with
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children for whom English is not their first language.
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This is an area of increasing need.
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The process of reviewing this rule began with requests from districts actually
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in need of these teachers.
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To accomplish this project, DESE pulled together a work group of educators from
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around the state, and we'd like to right now publicly thank those people for
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their work.
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So you see we have both K12, DESE, higher ed.
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The major revisions recommended by the work group include,
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first, adding a recommendation from an educator preparation provider
[1:10:50]
as a requirement for certification.
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Currently, this area is one of the only areas of
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certification in which this is not a requirement.
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This addition will increase accountability and ensure a greater level of quality
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control.
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Next, changing the name of the certification from English Language Learners
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to a certification in English Language Development.
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This makes more sense, and the professionals on the work group
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inform me that that's in line with the language of the field.
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Next, removing some general requirements that are typically included in an
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initial certification. This is similar to previous revisions in other
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advanced areas recently. For example, gifted education
[1:11:35]
a year or so ago.
[1:11:40]
Revising the competencies to make them more clear and better aligned
[1:11:44]
with the field. These more detailed competencies will more
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clearly communicate the state's expectations.
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If you compare those
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recommendations to what is current, you'll see that what is current is
[1:11:59]
much more general, much less specific, and they thought it was
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important that they be very clear about what somebody should be able
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to do and know when they get out of a program.
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So is that the
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teacher or the student?
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These are the competencies for the teacher candidates-
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The teacher
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... coming out who are going to get that certification.
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Thank you.
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And then it does
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reduce the content hours from 18 to 15, and the context is
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initially the group was asked to consider how this area of certification
[1:12:32]
might be made available at the initial certification level.
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Currently, it's just an add-on. So you have to have a certification, and then
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you can add it on. After
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investigating that, they found that it was not possible at this time because
[1:12:46]
of the difference in content hours.
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But the small reduction in required hours will make it more possible for teacher
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candidates to fit the coursework for this certification into their undergraduate
[1:12:57]
experience. So it would not be initial, but it makes
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it easier for a program to integrate that if somebody
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had 15 hours available, had a space available.
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The work group believes that the reduction in hours, and these are people who
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are working with Working in the area, including
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training people, they believe that the reduction in hours will not
[1:13:20]
adversely affect the quality of preparation, since the expectations for
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graduates have been made more explicit, and they think that the
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result
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will be more people who have gone through a program who have
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been prepared instead of
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the number of people right now we have who are just filling these positions without
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the training.
[1:13:44]
In addition, the work group identified some complications with obtaining
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certification through reciprocity in this area. Dr.
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Kadnick mentioned reciprocity, and
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there are some challenges with that in this particular area as an add-on.
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While the work group was unable to resolve the issue, the Office of
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Educator Quality is working to address this.
[1:14:05]
So, I want to point out that even when we can't figure out a way to address an
[1:14:09]
issue immediately, we take the input
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from these professional work groups very seriously.
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And so we continue to work on that issue, and we will address it.
[1:14:20]
Yeah. The issue with the reciprocity is that this particular certificate is called
[1:14:23]
a lot of different things in other states.
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And what statute tells us is we can issue a comparable certificate, and
[1:14:30]
so we're trying to match titles, and that's a little problematic
[1:14:34]
when the titles don't match up, and then you have to try to get to the
[1:14:38]
actual preparation coursework underneath it.
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It's just going to take a little more time for us to figure out a clean way to do
[1:14:43]
that. So, we wanted to get these changes moved through now,
[1:14:48]
and then we'll go back and try to figure that one out.
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So, we are now on agenda item I.
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So both advisory groups,
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Missouri Advisory Board of Educator Preparation, MABEP, and MAECI, the
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Council for Certification, voted to recommend approval.
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Based on that support, the valuable efforts of the workgroup, and the need for more
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teachers, we are recommending that you authorize publication and allow us
[1:15:12]
to put this out for public comment.
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So moved.
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Do we have a motion? Okay. Pamela Westbrook Hodges made the
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motion. Is there-
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Second.
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Okay. Mike Matusik, a second. Are there any further questions on this?
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Mrs. Casey.
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Thank you.
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Could you clarify, if you could go back to the summary of the
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changes, the changing the name of the certification area
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from English Language Learners to Development.
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Is that affecting only the
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EPP program, or is that going to result in changes
[1:15:47]
in the program that's actually
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administered in the schools?
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It just changes the title of the certification.
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So schools-- I'm not sure exactly what schools do, but there
[1:16:00]
are people in schools on this committee who thought it was
[1:16:04]
fine. But it would not automatically change anything in schools.
[1:16:09]
It would just say, "This is the certification that the person has."
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And that seems to match nationally what's happening with the title of this
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particular area, and so we didn't want to be out of step with what
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was happening nationally in this area.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Do we have any further questions on this topic?
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Hearing none, all those in favor?
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Is there any opposed?
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Hearing none, the motion passes.
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Thank you. We're down to our set of the final three.
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We brought this last set of recommendations to you first in March, and we did
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a webinar
[1:16:51]
to explain that for some. Since that time, we have discussed them with a
[1:16:54]
variety of stakeholders, and we've made adjustments accordingly.
[1:17:01]
If you'll recall, we mentioned to you in March, for those of you who are here,
[1:17:04]
that requirements for certification in 599-12 and
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K-12 areas vary widely. You can see from this chart
[1:17:12]
just how different some areas are.
[1:17:15]
For example, agricultural education and physical education both
[1:17:19]
require more than 50 hours of content.
[1:17:22]
While areas like art, computer science, which was just recently approved
[1:17:26]
by this board, and world languages, that includes Spanish,
[1:17:29]
French, German, require only 30 hours.
[1:17:33]
That's a difference of more than a semester's worth of courses.
[1:17:37]
There is no clear justification for these differences overall.
[1:17:41]
Instead, they are an unintended consequence of DESE's commitment
[1:17:45]
to collaborating with practitioners.
[1:17:47]
Historically, where groups of content experts were created to determine
[1:17:51]
specific certification requirements.
[1:17:54]
Those groups worked in relative isolation, however, focusing primarily on the
[1:17:58]
content knowledge they thought a teacher would need to be
[1:18:02]
aware of,
[1:18:04]
and not the broader context in which the teacher is getting that
[1:18:08]
training,
[1:18:10]
like thinking about the total number of hours and the cost of
[1:18:14]
college and those type of things.
[1:18:17]
And so we ended up with this disconnected variety of
[1:18:21]
requirements. You'll also notice that there are several areas with
[1:18:25]
24-hour requirements. We put those on here because they're a
[1:18:29]
part of what we're talking about generally today, but those are the
[1:18:33]
59 or the middle school areas, and we included those just so you'd have
[1:18:37]
context for these proposals.
[1:18:42]
In addition to differences in content requirements, we also found differences
[1:18:47]
in pedagogy requirements across different certification
[1:18:50]
paths. For example, the temporary authorization
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certificate in the first column there only requires
[1:18:57]
24 hours focused on teaching skills and knowledge or
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pedagogy,
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while certification in 912 areas requires 36 hours.
[1:19:07]
Again, we found no research-based justification for any of
[1:19:11]
these wide variations.
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The current structure makes the path to becoming a teacher more confusing and at
[1:19:17]
times longer to complete.
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Of course, more time in school has real financial costs, as you can see from the
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blue cells across the middle.
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These are the estimated costs just for the courses required in each
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category. They do not include the cost of an overall college
[1:19:33]
degree. So when you look at, say, 9-12,
[1:19:37]
those courses,
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those fit into a degree. The
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TAC, the TAC, and the alt cert are on top of a degree because
[1:19:47]
you have to have a degree first to be in those programs.
[1:19:50]
So we're talking about very real financial
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barriers to students moving forward and becoming
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well-prepared teachers.
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We chose to address these particular grade levels because the percentage of
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comprehensively prepared teachers is lower in these grades than in the
[1:20:10]
overall first-year population. When we shared this
[1:20:14]
chart in March, Ms. Westbrook-Hodge requested that these data
[1:20:18]
be disaggregated further according to a measure of
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effectiveness.
[1:20:25]
So in response, we divided first-year teachers into two
[1:20:29]
groups, those who were hired in school districts whose most
[1:20:32]
recent APR score was 80 or above, and those hired in
[1:20:36]
districts with an annual performance report score below 80.
[1:20:41]
This chart shows the distribution of first-year teachers in the higher-scoring
[1:20:45]
school districts. You may note that the percentage of teachers comprehensively
[1:20:48]
prepared by a Missouri educator preparation provider is higher than the
[1:20:52]
percentage in the overall chart we just showed
[1:20:57]
in the previous slide. And the percentage of teachers with either no
[1:21:00]
certification or only substitute teacher licenses is much lower
[1:21:04]
also.
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So, for our new board members, our existing board members have
[1:21:09]
seen this data a couple of times already.
[1:21:12]
But we've taken a cohort of first-year teachers, and we've asked the question: How
[1:21:16]
did they get to become a first-year teacher?
[1:21:18]
And the dark green went through a traditionally prepared
[1:21:21]
program. Those are the ones with higher effectiveness, higher
[1:21:25]
retention rates. That's the desired route.
[1:21:28]
Then there are folks who come through either from a different state through that
[1:21:32]
reciprocity we've talked about, or they're coming through an alternative area,
[1:21:36]
which eventually they'll join the people in the green, but they're not
[1:21:39]
done yet. But they're already in front of a classroom of teachers, teaching while
[1:21:43]
they're finishing.
[1:21:45]
The yellow are two legislatively mandated
[1:21:49]
routes. That's ABCTE and Teachers of Tomorrow.
[1:21:53]
And then we have teachers who are only on a sub cert or don't have any
[1:21:57]
area certification who are also teaching students.
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And this is what that cohort looks like when the school district's
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APR is 80 or above, meaning they're a higher-performing school
[1:22:07]
district. Dr. Fridley will show you next what happens when we look at the school
[1:22:11]
districts below 80, so it's a lower-performing school
[1:22:15]
district.
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And I would also mention, if somebody might ask, "Well, why do we care about this?"
[1:22:19]
We do have
[1:22:21]
data, for example, that those who finish a comprehensive program
[1:22:25]
have a higher retention by 15 to 20 points over
[1:22:30]
many of the others. As you can imagine, people who come in with just a
[1:22:33]
substitute certification are not as likely to stay.
[1:22:37]
So in terms of the mentoring that Dr.
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Lewis was talking about, you're starting over again each year
[1:22:43]
instead of that consistent mentoring over multiple years.
[1:22:48]
And that little light green slot there is worth noting.
[1:22:52]
Those are people who are provisionally--
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they're nearly completed. They're on a provisional because they're close to being
[1:22:59]
done.
[1:23:00]
We refer to those often as student teachers of record.
[1:23:04]
Those are student teachers who are not having the
[1:23:08]
full student teacher experience.
[1:23:10]
They are the teachers of record while they're doing that final internship.
[1:23:15]
And last semester, in the fall semester of this year, about a
[1:23:19]
quarter of our student teachers in the state were functioning
[1:23:22]
as teachers of record. So that changes things.
[1:23:25]
The other thing that I would note about the dark green, the comprehensively
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prepared, that's the area in which this board and this
[1:23:32]
department has the most oversight.
[1:23:35]
When we talk about the changes that we're going to suggest here,
[1:23:38]
they affect the dark green the most.
[1:23:41]
If we're going to
[1:23:43]
affect somebody's preparation before they go into teaching, that's where
[1:23:47]
we can have that
[1:23:49]
influence. So we care about that because we can improve
[1:23:53]
things in that area much more than we can, say, out of state or even the
[1:23:57]
alt cert, where they're going to have the experience, but they're not going to get
[1:24:00]
it before they start teaching.
[1:24:02]
Mm-hmm.
[1:24:05]
So this chart shows the same distribution in school districts scoring below 80
[1:24:09]
on the most recent annual performance report.
[1:24:12]
The percentage of teachers comprehensively prepared by Missouri educator
[1:24:15]
preparation providers is more than 15 percentage points lower
[1:24:19]
than in the previous group, and the percentage of teachers with no certification
[1:24:23]
or only a substitute license is more than 15 percentages higher,
[1:24:27]
percentage points higher.
[1:24:29]
Assuming these districts hire this large number of unprepared first-year
[1:24:33]
teachers, at least in part because they are having difficulty finding
[1:24:37]
qualified teachers, increasing the number of comprehensively prepared
[1:24:41]
teachers will benefit these school districts most.
[1:24:44]
The following proposals are intended to do just that.
[1:24:51]
It's within this context just described that the department is proposing these
[1:24:55]
changes to all certification areas for grades five through nine,
[1:25:00]
nine through 12. So the five through nine would be typically middle school, nine
[1:25:04]
through 12 high school, secondary.
[1:25:06]
And K through 12, which are areas that cover the entire
[1:25:10]
gamut, like art and music.
[1:25:13]
So one thing it would do is it would set required pedagogical knowledge for all
[1:25:17]
three areas to 24 hours. This would bring these areas in line
[1:25:20]
with the 24 hours already approved by this board for the
[1:25:24]
temporary authorization certificate.
[1:25:27]
Certification. Within those 24 hours, they would remain or require
[1:25:33]
three hours dedicated to literacy instruction.
[1:25:36]
This is the number of hours already approved for K-12 certifications
[1:25:40]
and is more than is currently required for a temporary authorization certificate.
[1:25:45]
Recent changes have made literacy requirements more explicit in these areas,
[1:25:49]
and we will revisit those in the near future to make sure that
[1:25:52]
teachers are well prepared to support reading development in older
[1:25:55]
children.
[1:26:02]
In terms of content knowledge, these changes would
[1:26:07]
move the
[1:26:08]
requirement for 5-9 to 21
[1:26:12]
hours, and the minimum requirement
[1:26:16]
for 9-12 and K-12 to 30 hours.
[1:26:19]
Those must be aligned with the Missouri
[1:26:23]
Learning Standards and the certification test framework.
[1:26:31]
While this change will result in a significant reduction in hours in some areas, 10
[1:26:35]
of the 24 9 through 12 and K-12 areas
[1:26:39]
already have requirements within three hours of the proposed
[1:26:43]
rules of 30, and those are indicated by the green bars.
[1:26:46]
So, you can see that while it'd be a big change for some areas,
[1:26:50]
on the whole, it's not
[1:26:54]
a major change. It should also be noted that
[1:26:57]
institutional
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programs are free to require more hours.
[1:27:04]
This is just setting a state minimum that
[1:27:07]
institutions
[1:27:09]
cannot go lower than. And again, we've already approved several
[1:27:13]
programs at 30.
[1:27:18]
So, when I first started visiting with you this morning, I talked about that
[1:27:22]
preparation phase that happens even before we get to a day like
[1:27:26]
today, where we're sitting in front of you, and I mentioned that sometimes it could
[1:27:29]
be two years of work that happens before we even show up
[1:27:33]
here. This is an area where we've spent that much time, because
[1:27:37]
it's a bit of a significant shift, and we wanted to make sure we talked to
[1:27:40]
everybody. The tension we're trying to get right is to make
[1:27:44]
it easier to understand to be a teacher, and to make sure
[1:27:48]
that they have what they need to be successful, but not too
[1:27:52]
much. And if we can't defend some areas having
[1:27:56]
50 hours while others have 30, then we have to really take a look at that, and
[1:28:00]
that's what we've been exploring for two years.
[1:28:02]
That's the big number of groups that we've been talking to,
[1:28:06]
checking this out. We've visited with these different content areas.
[1:28:10]
We've run numbers of what we think the benefit will be to the state, and some of
[1:28:13]
those benefits are immediate. For example, if there are PE
[1:28:17]
candidates out there that have 30 hours today and are still
[1:28:21]
needing to take 20 hours to be a PE teacher, with this
[1:28:25]
change, they could immediately be eligible to be a teacher.
[1:28:27]
So, it's going to get us more teachers in the classrooms.
[1:28:30]
And not only more teachers, but more comprehensively prepared teachers, which
[1:28:34]
is that dark green, which are our best candidates for being
[1:28:38]
effective teachers and best retention rates.
[1:28:41]
And that's what we're trying to accomplish here.
[1:28:43]
We took this, as we always do, before both advisory groups, our MABEP group
[1:28:47]
and our MACE group, which you've heard about all morning.
[1:28:50]
And both of them have voted to approve this revision.
[1:28:53]
And based on that support, the need for more teachers in
[1:28:57]
these areas, we are recommending your support on this.
[1:29:01]
So, we'll start with item J. This is for our 5-9 middle
[1:29:05]
schoolers. We're asking for your authority to publicize
[1:29:09]
this rule and get public comment that we'll bring back to you in September.
[1:29:15]
So moved.
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Second.
[1:29:17]
So, we have a motion and a second. Are there any other questions that come
[1:29:21]
before us on this?
[1:29:25]
No question. Just a comment. I know the rule-making processes
[1:29:29]
can take many, many months or years in this case, and
[1:29:34]
we're sort of getting through all of this in 45 minutes or something.
[1:29:37]
But I do appreciate the way you guys present the information, hit the high
[1:29:41]
points. I like the visuals personally.
[1:29:44]
It makes it easier for me to understand.
[1:29:46]
But I know it takes a lot of work to get to this point and still a lot of work to
[1:29:50]
be done after. So, just wanted to say thank you
[1:29:52]
for both being comprehensive in your
[1:29:56]
explanation
[1:29:57]
and making it
[1:29:59]
relatively quick, right? So we're not here for six... But thank you.
[1:30:02]
I think you guys do great.
[1:30:04]
Thank you.
[1:30:05]
President Miller.
[1:30:06]
Yeah.
[1:30:06]
I do have one comment.
[1:30:08]
Please proceed.
[1:30:08]
Thank you. And I echo that.
[1:30:11]
I really do appreciate, it's difficult when we're reading
[1:30:15]
the narrative, if you will, in our preparation, so to have this summary
[1:30:18]
is very helpful.
[1:30:21]
When you do come back, because this is for posting
[1:30:25]
to go out into the register, and you'll be coming back for our
[1:30:29]
final approval, this item as well.
[1:30:31]
We anticipate September.
[1:30:33]
Good. When you do come back, as this as with any
[1:30:36]
other recommendation where appropriate, I would like you to present
[1:30:40]
how
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you are going to be able to track the effectiveness of this
[1:30:46]
change.
[1:30:48]
And I realize that won't be instantaneous.
[1:30:50]
It would take a period of time, but what would you do to better
[1:30:54]
isolate academic outcomes
[1:30:57]
associated to this change, or retention, or both?
[1:31:01]
We can certainly do that.
[1:31:02]
Thank you.
[1:31:05]
Okay. Any other questions?
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All those in favor say aye.
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Aye.
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Any opposed?
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Hearing none, that motion passes.
[1:31:16]
Thank you. Item K, this is now for 9-12, so these are our high school, 9
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through 12. Same actions to standardize the pedagogy and the content
[1:31:24]
hours. We're asking for your authorization to publicize this rule.
[1:31:28]
So moved.
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Second.
[1:31:30]
We have a motion and a second. Are there any questions with regards to this?
[1:31:35]
Hearing none. All those in favor say aye.
[1:31:38]
Aye.
[1:31:38]
Aye.
[1:31:39]
Any opposed?
[1:31:41]
Hearing none.
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Thank you. And item L, this is now for K12 education, and the exact
[1:31:47]
same changes to this one.
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So moved.
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We have a motion.
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Second.
[1:31:51]
And a second. Any questions on this?
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Okay, call for the vote.
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All those in favor, say aye.
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Aye.
[1:32:00]
Aye.
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Any opposed, likewise?
[1:32:04]
Okay.
[1:32:04]
Thank you.
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Thank you.
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So now we're down to, let's see here,
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letter M.
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Ivy.
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L.
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Is it L?
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L.
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No.
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No. It's Ivy.
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Here.
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Yeah.
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President Miller?
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Would you introduce yourself?
[1:32:33]
I will. I'm Lisa Ivy. I'm a program administrator at the Office of
[1:32:37]
Childhood.
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Okay. Thank you.
[1:32:45]
Okay. So good morning, and just thank you for this opportunity to follow up
[1:32:49]
on this. So just to remind the board, this is a
[1:32:53]
follow-up to the rule amendment that we presented back in
[1:32:57]
March.
[1:32:58]
So this has gone out for the 30-day comment, so we are
[1:33:02]
back in front of you guys today to do the
[1:33:05]
final order.
[1:33:09]
Okay.
[1:33:11]
Just a little bit of history about this to reiterate what we presented back in
[1:33:15]
March. But the rule itself is remaining the same.
[1:33:18]
However, we are requesting an amendment to the incorporated by reference
[1:33:22]
material that is part of that rule.
[1:33:25]
That incorporated by reference material is the Early Childhood
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Development Act Administrative Manual.
[1:33:35]
That administrative manual is made up of
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10 items that are required.
[1:33:42]
We are requesting to amend three of those
[1:33:45]
items. The first item that we are requesting is an
[1:33:49]
amendment so that the parent educators are able to attend
[1:33:52]
eligibility meetings with families that are connecting to the First
[1:33:56]
Steps or to Early Childhood Special Education Services.
[1:34:00]
This is an opportunity for the parent educators to provide support for
[1:34:04]
that family when families are going through that eligibility
[1:34:08]
process.
[1:34:11]
And then within that same item, we are also asking to
[1:34:14]
expand the language for mass screenings, developmental
[1:34:18]
screenings, which encourages more screenings for all children under
[1:34:22]
the age of kindergarten entry.
[1:34:28]
In addition, we're asking to amend item
[1:34:32]
five, which is the language around curriculum and
[1:34:35]
training. So this is required by the Parents as Teachers
[1:34:39]
National Center, and the National Center has gone through a name
[1:34:43]
change with their curriculum, and we are requesting to update the language
[1:34:47]
in our administrative manual to reflect that name change of the National Center.
[1:34:52]
And last is item six.
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This item is around data-sharing agreements.
[1:34:58]
So this is a practice that we've actually had in place for a couple of years
[1:35:02]
now. But it has been outside of the scope of the
[1:35:05]
administrative manual, so we want to update the administrative manual for some of
[1:35:09]
those data-sharing agreements.
[1:35:14]
So, as I had mentioned, this had gone out for public comment.
[1:35:18]
We did not have any
[1:35:21]
comments outside of our department.
[1:35:22]
The department did make two internal comments.
[1:35:26]
One of those was an error that was in the website link, to review
[1:35:30]
the incorporated by reference material, so we did have the website link
[1:35:33]
updated to reflect the current link.
[1:35:36]
And then the second internal department comment is where we
[1:35:40]
identified an additional clarification that was needed, and this was
[1:35:44]
just to ensure some clear requirements and interpretation around personal
[1:35:47]
visit and the documentation around that.
[1:35:55]
So barring no questions,
[1:35:57]
the department is recommending that the State Board of Education issue an order of
[1:36:01]
rulemaking to amend the 5 CSR
[1:36:04]
25-100.330.
[1:36:11]
We have a rec-
[1:36:11]
So moved.
[1:36:12]
Mike Matusik makes a motion. Second?
[1:36:15]
Second.
[1:36:16]
Otto, making the second. Any further questions on this subject?
[1:36:21]
Thank you for the information. So again, just a general question.
[1:36:25]
In the development of this,
[1:36:28]
I know there were no comments obviously, but are
[1:36:32]
these again just technical kind of updates,
[1:36:35]
so no opposition from anybody that you're aware of?
[1:36:38]
No. We did not receive any public comments.
[1:36:41]
In the creation of this, or the revision of the administrative manual, there is a
[1:36:45]
stakeholder group that composes of several of our parent
[1:36:49]
educators, in addition to the Parents as Teachers National
[1:36:52]
Center and the Missouri
[1:36:55]
Parents as Teachers Association.
[1:36:57]
So they were all involved in the revision of these documents.
[1:37:00]
Thank you.
[1:37:01]
Mm-hmm.
[1:37:03]
Other questions?
[1:37:04]
Just a comment on the Parents as Teachers.
[1:37:06]
My mom excuse me,
[1:37:09]
was a
[1:37:11]
classroom teacher for 30 years, then 20 years as Parents as Teachers,
[1:37:15]
and she passed away last week.
[1:37:19]
But the number of families, I'm sorry, that came forward on
[1:37:23]
those visits, and the difference it made,
[1:37:26]
if you don't know about the Parents as Teachers program, it is
[1:37:30]
something that's worth examining because it makes a real difference,
[1:37:33]
especially in certain neighborhoods.
[1:37:35]
And
[1:37:36]
I got to hear those testimonies last week.
[1:37:40]
I appreciate that. Thank you.
[1:37:41]
Thank you, Robert. Appreciate that
[1:37:45]
Any other comments, questions?
[1:37:49]
Hearing none, I'll call for the vote. All those in favor, please say aye.
[1:37:52]
Aye.
[1:37:53]
Any opposition?
[1:37:56]
And that is unanimous. Thank you for your work on that.
[1:37:58]
Thank you.
[1:38:00]
Okay. I think right now we're going to take a short break.
[1:38:03]
And if you would, we'll go for 15 minutes.
[1:38:06]
So if you'd come back at 10:20, we'd appreciate it.
[1:43:39]
On behalf of
[1:43:43]
the American Marketing Association, please accept this certificate commemorating
[1:43:45]
your-
[1:52:54]
On our agenda, we are down to
[1:52:59]
letter N
[1:53:00]
of 11, and so that's
[1:53:04]
Dr. Sereno. And so,
[1:53:07]
we welcome your group here. It seems like you brought the whole team, or most of
[1:53:11]
the team, so look forward to your presentation.
[1:53:13]
Thank you, President Miller. Again, my name is Lisa Sereno.
[1:53:17]
I'm Assistant Commissioner in the Office of Quality Schools.
[1:53:20]
And, with me today is Shaneka Williams, who is our Director of
[1:53:24]
Charter Schools.
[1:53:26]
We're here to review applications for renewal
[1:53:30]
of charters for two schools, and we're going to
[1:53:34]
begin with Hope Leadership Academy.
[1:53:37]
It's located in Kansas City, and it is sponsored by St.
[1:53:41]
Louis University. And so I'd like to introduce the folks from
[1:53:46]
SLU who are with us here today. Alexandra Boyd
[1:53:49]
is Assistant Dean of School and Community Partnership.
[1:53:54]
Benton Brown is Assistant Dean of Teacher Education.
[1:53:58]
And Casey Shahid
[1:54:02]
focuses on leadership in the college.
[1:54:05]
Have I got you all correct, doctors?
[1:54:08]
Yeah.
[1:54:08]
All right.
[1:54:10]
Before I turn the presentation over to Shaneka, and then
[1:54:13]
ultimately to the sponsors, I just want to outline
[1:54:17]
for you what you're going to hear in this presentation.
[1:54:22]
Shaneka's going to give you just a brief reminder of how
[1:54:25]
renewal fits in with the other charter tasks
[1:54:29]
for the department and for you as a state board of education.
[1:54:34]
She's going to talk about how DESE reviews the materials and
[1:54:38]
looks at the sponsor's renewal decision-making process,
[1:54:43]
and hit the high points of the statutory requirements
[1:54:47]
for renewal considerations.
[1:54:50]
She's also going to talk a little bit about our focus on the
[1:54:54]
performance expectations in the contract between the
[1:54:58]
charter school and the sponsor itself, and how
[1:55:02]
we view that in terms of how it plays into the renewal
[1:55:05]
decision.
[1:55:07]
And then one other thing before I turn it over to these
[1:55:11]
folks is that,
[1:55:13]
just a reminder, renewals under statute are authorized
[1:55:17]
by the sponsors. And in most cases,
[1:55:21]
DESE will put these in the consent agenda and present them to
[1:55:25]
you as a board for ratification.
[1:55:28]
Once in a while, there will be something that
[1:55:32]
calls our attention, and we will
[1:55:36]
pull those out and actually want this board to
[1:55:40]
discuss and review in a little bit more detail.
[1:55:43]
And the situation for Hope Leadership Academy, we had
[1:55:47]
concerns about the academic category in the performance
[1:55:51]
contract and the student performance.
[1:55:54]
And so,
[1:55:56]
Shaneka did ask the sponsor to come and
[1:55:59]
describe to you their decision-making process
[1:56:04]
around this renewal
[1:56:06]
And she's got, as I said, she has some things that she would like to review with
[1:56:10]
you. So I'll turn it over to Shanika.
[1:56:12]
All right. Thank you.
[1:56:15]
So first, let's talk about authority.
[1:56:18]
Now, the authority for charter schools is spread
[1:56:22]
across multiple entities, from the legislation that
[1:56:26]
make the laws and the State Board of Education that enforce those
[1:56:29]
laws, and the charter sponsor that oversees and monitors
[1:56:33]
the charter school, and the charter school board
[1:56:38]
that governs the LEA.
[1:56:42]
Today, we are going to focus on the State Board of Education's
[1:56:46]
primary role related to sponsor activities.
[1:56:49]
And as you can see up here, the State Board reviews and
[1:56:53]
approves sponsorship applications,
[1:56:56]
enforces regulations when it comes to sponsoring,
[1:57:01]
evaluates sponsors every three years or
[1:57:05]
for cause.
[1:57:07]
SLU's next evaluation is going to be the school year
[1:57:10]
'27, '28.
[1:57:14]
You also review renewal applications and
[1:57:18]
new charter school applications.
[1:57:21]
The sponsor is responsible for having a policy and
[1:57:24]
process for renewals and new applications,
[1:57:29]
and approving those applications before they are sent to DESE,
[1:57:33]
and ultimately, the State Board.
[1:57:37]
Shall we pause for a question?
[1:57:40]
Yes, ma'am. Yes.
[1:57:42]
And I'll be brief.
[1:57:43]
Mm-hmm.
[1:57:44]
So can you clarify for this board,
[1:57:47]
in particular, we have a lot of new members,
[1:57:50]
precisely what the State Board is
[1:57:53]
approving today?
[1:57:55]
So, what
[1:57:57]
we ask for at the end of each renewal, and you will see the
[1:58:00]
language, is basically, we are recommending
[1:58:04]
to you the sponsor's recommendation.
[1:58:08]
So you are approving that we looked over that
[1:58:12]
application, and we saw that there are no statutory
[1:58:15]
discrepancies,
[1:58:21]
thank you, and that everything checks out, and we're sending
[1:58:25]
that to you to say, "Yes, you have met all the
[1:58:29]
statutory requirements. We
[1:58:31]
will
[1:58:36]
send forth the sponsor's approval for this application."
[1:58:40]
So basically, you're saying that they met all the statutory requirements
[1:58:44]
for that.
[1:58:46]
What you do do is when that sponsor is
[1:58:49]
evaluated, we also evaluate all renewals that were
[1:58:53]
in that timeframe. So we look at the renewals that might have
[1:58:57]
seemed a little bit on the line or on the cuff, and we go
[1:59:01]
through that process that that sponsor takes, and we evaluate that
[1:59:04]
sponsor based on the renewal decisions that they have made.
[1:59:09]
So today, the recommendation that we're
[1:59:12]
presenting is the sponsor's
[1:59:17]
authorization to renew for five years.
[1:59:20]
And you will see when you look at the recommendation language and when we get to
[1:59:23]
that,
[1:59:24]
that language is a little bit different this time than
[1:59:28]
is typical. Usually, the language is just we
[1:59:33]
present the sponsor's recommendation for renewal for the five-year
[1:59:36]
period,
[1:59:38]
as outlined in its contract with the charter school.
[1:59:42]
In this case,
[1:59:45]
we are adding a contingency to that-
[1:59:48]
Yes
[1:59:49]
... motion, which asks the sponsor to come back
[1:59:52]
and
[1:59:54]
renew its review
[1:59:56]
and provide information to the department and the board after
[2:00:00]
the '26, '27 school year.
[2:00:03]
So, to keep it really clear and succinct, our yes
[2:00:07]
vote today means what?
[2:00:09]
Yes vote today means you authorize continuation
[2:00:13]
of the charter school.
[2:00:15]
And a no vote means?
[2:00:18]
No vote would
[2:00:21]
mean that you would not ratify the
[2:00:24]
sponsor's renewal. State
[2:00:27]
statute says that, and I'm
[2:00:30]
paraphrasing-
[2:00:32]
Mm-hmm
[2:00:32]
... if we need Megan to clarify, we can, or Shanika.
[2:00:35]
Mm-hmm.
[2:00:36]
The state statute says that if the sponsor
[2:00:39]
authorizes the renewal, and the department
[2:00:43]
and the board find that it's in statutory
[2:00:46]
compliance, that the State Board shall approve the renewal.
[2:00:50]
And it does say "shall." And so we get all the information and
[2:00:54]
the data and the documentation from the sponsor.
[2:00:58]
We review that, and using the data requested, and
[2:01:02]
this is in Statute
[2:01:04]
160.405.9, using the
[2:01:08]
data requested and the revised charter application under
[2:01:11]
paragraphs A and B of that same statute, the State
[2:01:15]
Board of Education shall determine if compliance with all
[2:01:19]
standards
[2:01:21]
were met in this subsection. The State Board of
[2:01:24]
Education, at its regular scheduled meeting, shall vote
[2:01:28]
on the revised charter application.
[2:01:34]
Thank you.
[2:01:37]
So that's where we are currently.
[2:01:40]
We have reviewed these charter applications.
[2:01:43]
We have also talked to the sponsors.
[2:01:46]
So I'm going to talk a little bit about our process as
[2:01:48]
well. As you can see, you have the profile for the
[2:01:52]
school that is being renewed currently, Hope Leadership Academy.
[2:01:56]
They are currently sponsored by St. Louis University.
[2:01:59]
Their previous sponsor was the University of Central Missouri.
[2:02:02]
So within this five-year contract, the University of Central Missouri
[2:02:06]
was sponsoring the school for the first year, and St.
[2:02:10]
Louis University took over that contract for the rest of the
[2:02:14]
term
[2:02:15]
Our process in the office of DESE is to get the application from the
[2:02:19]
sponsor. We look through the application for
[2:02:22]
compliance to statute, making sure that they have met all
[2:02:26]
the
[2:02:27]
regulations that they should meet as far as the renewal goes.
[2:02:31]
After review, we go back to the sponsor and ask any lingering
[2:02:35]
questions. Is there something that we saw that wasn't
[2:02:39]
quite up to standard?
[2:02:41]
Does the data look a little iffy? We will talk to the sponsor about
[2:02:45]
that, and we will start to
[2:02:48]
look for ways that they could either
[2:02:52]
not go back, but go forward, looking at their
[2:02:55]
contracts and looking at
[2:02:58]
their performance goals and what that looks like moving forward.
[2:03:02]
Because by the time the application gets to us, the sponsor has made
[2:03:06]
their decision,
[2:03:08]
and
[2:03:09]
their decision to renew. If it's a decision not to renew, we wouldn't get
[2:03:13]
an application.
[2:03:21]
So here you will see enrollment for Hope Leadership Academy.
[2:03:24]
It remained around 100 plus students for the last five
[2:03:28]
years. Now, one of the questions that we talked about with the sponsor
[2:03:32]
is that Hope has put in a request to
[2:03:36]
increase enrollment next school year to 300.
[2:03:39]
We will discuss that a little further on in the renewal,
[2:03:44]
but the sponsor is also ready to discuss that as
[2:03:48]
well.
[2:03:52]
Here, you will see the demographics for the school.
[2:03:55]
All this is the same in both renewals, so you will see this
[2:03:58]
information. And again, this information is
[2:04:02]
for informational purposes only.
[2:04:04]
It is not necessarily something that the sponsor looks at when they're making
[2:04:08]
their decision to renew.
[2:04:13]
This is 90/90 attendance. Now, this is the
[2:04:17]
school, Hope Leadership Academy,
[2:04:20]
beside Missouri as a whole. This is not something that the
[2:04:24]
sponsor would normally look at, but the sponsor does take into
[2:04:27]
consideration the 90/90 attendance of its schools,
[2:04:31]
and the sponsor has already talked about things that the school is currently
[2:04:35]
working on to raise attendance. They're looking at
[2:04:39]
a three-tier system that they're going to be working on, Hope is going to be
[2:04:43]
working on. So the sponsor has discussed these changes with the school
[2:04:47]
already.
[2:04:51]
This is your assessment slide, and
[2:04:55]
so it talks about the performance of Hope Leadership Academy,
[2:04:59]
KCPS, and Missouri.
[2:05:01]
Now, again, a lot of these things the sponsor does not look at when it comes
[2:05:06]
to making a decision, or they may consider.
[2:05:09]
But one of the things that the sponsor has to consider, and is in
[2:05:12]
statute, is how the school stacks up to the local district,
[2:05:16]
not the state. So that state part is just for your
[2:05:20]
information, and this is performance data.
[2:05:26]
You see the same in math as well.
[2:05:30]
Can we pause there?
[2:05:31]
Yep.
[2:05:31]
Just one thing before you move on. I was trying to get this with attendance.
[2:05:35]
Could you just very quickly explain what the 90/90 attendance rule is in case
[2:05:39]
that's not clear? It's part of the accountability system.
[2:05:42]
Sure.
[2:05:44]
Just a sentence or two.
[2:05:45]
It's
[2:05:46]
a measure
[2:05:48]
of--
[2:05:50]
The goal is that
[2:05:53]
90% of our students are, 90% or more, are
[2:05:57]
in school 90% or more of the time,
[2:06:02]
attending school.
[2:06:03]
Anything above 10% is
[2:06:07]
considered chronic absenteeism.
[2:06:09]
So that 90% benchmark is an
[2:06:13]
important one.
[2:06:15]
It is one of those things that is also reviewed with the
[2:06:18]
APR score, so it's a part of that whole thing.
[2:06:23]
So could I just follow up on-
[2:06:24]
Mm-hmm
[2:06:24]
... that a little bit? So I was kind of impressed that
[2:06:29]
academically, they seemed to be either equal to or
[2:06:33]
above the local public school.
[2:06:36]
But with a 90% being out of compliance
[2:06:39]
there,
[2:06:41]
I mean, I know that that's a chronic issue in public schools and charter
[2:06:45]
schools probably as well. But
[2:06:48]
what are they doing to bring those students up who are chronically
[2:06:52]
absent?
[2:06:52]
Well, that's a great question, and that's one of those questions that we talked to
[2:06:55]
the sponsor about. So maybe Alexandra, can you talk about the
[2:06:59]
three-tiered monitoring or
[2:07:03]
three-tiered chronic absenteeism system that they're working on?
[2:07:07]
Yeah. Thank you so much. Alexandra Boyd, St.
[2:07:10]
Louis University. So the school
[2:07:14]
is very much aware of the attendance
[2:07:17]
concerns. The students are in pre-K
[2:07:21]
five, and I will note that
[2:07:25]
pre-K students, this was their first year having pre-K, and so getting that
[2:07:30]
kind of
[2:07:32]
routine in place
[2:07:34]
did take a while. But they're going to essentially have a
[2:07:37]
three-tiered assessment to do
[2:07:41]
school-wide. Tier one is school-wide incentives for everybody, positive
[2:07:44]
recognition, consistent communication with parents and things like that for
[2:07:48]
attendance. Tier two is conferences with families who
[2:07:52]
might be starting to get close to that
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10%
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high absenteeism rate, and they will have those, and
[2:08:01]
kind of improvement plans, and ways to support the family
[2:08:05]
should there be barriers to them getting their children to school
[2:08:09]
on time. And then tier three, they will use individualized
[2:08:13]
support and intensive case management So they will use
[2:08:17]
a little team to support acute needs in terms
[2:08:20]
of supporting attendance across the school.
[2:08:24]
They're going to conduct weekly reviews,
[2:08:28]
and they're going to do same-day outreach phone calls
[2:08:32]
with structured follow-up within 48 hours
[2:08:35]
of students missing.
[2:08:38]
And then they'll also have established grade-level attendance goals and monitor
[2:08:42]
progress and celebrate success there.
[2:08:45]
So those are their plans for improving attendance
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rates.
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And these are some of the things that we talk about during the renewal
[2:08:53]
application process. So when we meet with the sponsor and we see
[2:08:57]
these things, we go back and say, "So what is going on?
[2:09:00]
What have you talked about with the school?
[2:09:01]
What is changing
[2:09:04]
that you see that makes you want to renew this school?" And the
[2:09:08]
sponsor's going to talk a lot more about that later.
[2:09:10]
And also,
[2:09:12]
on these measures, how does a sponsor hold the school accountable for these
[2:09:16]
things?
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Absolutely.
[2:09:17]
Are they part of that performance contract?
[2:09:20]
Thank you. I guess a question on attendance, and maybe it
[2:09:24]
goes to the authority of a charter school, but if you have students
[2:09:28]
who are
[2:09:30]
at school less than 50% of the time,
[2:09:34]
does the school have a
[2:09:37]
mechanism to
[2:09:40]
get rid of that student? I'm not saying get rid of
[2:09:44]
the student, but what happens, right?
[2:09:46]
If you have students attending a charter school and they're only showing up one or
[2:09:50]
two days a week,
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and I think a lot of charter schools have some kind of lottery process to get
[2:09:56]
into them,
[2:09:58]
you probably have a long waiting list of students whose attendance might be better.
[2:10:02]
How does that work?
[2:10:04]
Yeah. That's a really great question.
[2:10:05]
I just want to point out that this chart is saying that
[2:10:10]
56% of the students attend 90% of the time,
[2:10:14]
not that they attend 50% of the time.
[2:10:17]
And so
[2:10:20]
I think it's the same for all public schools in the state, right?
[2:10:24]
You have an attendance problem, you work to support the family to
[2:10:28]
see what the problem is. If attendance persists, you could work with a
[2:10:32]
truancy officer if that's the right way to go.
[2:10:35]
And then if the
[2:10:39]
family and the student don't come after...
[2:10:43]
I get my states mixed up. I've been in a couple of states doing this work.
[2:10:47]
I think it's 10 days. If they're gone for more than 10 consecutive days, you
[2:10:51]
can un-enroll that student.
[2:10:54]
That's for 10 consecutive days.
[2:10:55]
Yeah, and that's for any
[2:10:57]
school district.
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Thank you.
[2:10:59]
President Miller.
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I've got a question.
[2:11:04]
What percentage of these days would you say are a family
[2:11:07]
vacation or a doctor's appointment or things of that nature that
[2:11:11]
could be put into this data that would swing it one way or another?
[2:11:15]
I don't have that
[2:11:19]
level of data. What I would suspect, though, just from having my own
[2:11:23]
child in elementary school, is that a majority of it
[2:11:27]
is them being sick or because they're a
[2:11:31]
small child, their parents might be sick and might not be able to make it.
[2:11:35]
And I'm clearly biased. My son has asthma, so that's why he's
[2:11:39]
out more than he should be.
[2:11:40]
Oh, thank you for answering that. So
[2:11:43]
what I'm hearing is there's no quantifiable data that
[2:11:47]
you all have.
[2:11:48]
The data exists-
[2:11:49]
Okay
[2:11:49]
... I just don't have that level of detail in front of me right now.
[2:11:51]
Got you. Okay.
[2:11:52]
Yes.
[2:11:52]
No, thank you.
[2:11:54]
Mrs. Casey.
[2:11:55]
Thank you, President Miller, and I'd like to address this both to
[2:11:59]
the full board, but also our new commissioner.
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Attendance and chronic absenteeism is a critical concern, as has
[2:12:06]
been noted by many here,
[2:12:09]
not only across the state of Missouri, but across the nation.
[2:12:13]
We've raised it in past meetings. We've heard from different
[2:12:16]
schools on the three-tier plan on various
[2:12:20]
mechanisms where they have been successful.
[2:12:24]
Not necessarily, though, utilized in all schools, and maybe
[2:12:28]
not all consistently successful.
[2:12:31]
What I want to recommend, there is a
[2:12:34]
lot of work being done, in particular by one
[2:12:38]
organization called Attendance Works,
[2:12:41]
and that we take this into either our retreat
[2:12:44]
or a planned future discussion
[2:12:48]
where we, one, delve into this issue with very good
[2:12:52]
data from around the state on what's happening with chronic
[2:12:56]
absenteeism across our districts, where programs are
[2:13:00]
working, where they're not, why is the absenteeism occurring.
[2:13:04]
Just do a thorough analysis, and we also then work and
[2:13:07]
partner with Attendance Works to understand the work that's been done in the other
[2:13:11]
states and the recommendations, and just really bring
[2:13:15]
this issue to the forefront, not only for us as a board,
[2:13:19]
but for our legislature.
[2:13:22]
There are policy changes that I believe will be effective here,
[2:13:26]
and also for our communities. It really
[2:13:29]
bears us shining a spotlight on this throughout the
[2:13:33]
state at the importance of this issue and what can be done to
[2:13:37]
address it and ideally fix it.
[2:13:40]
Okay. Any other comments? We kind of got off track-
[2:13:43]
You're fine
[2:13:43]
... from your approval, but-
[2:13:44]
I guess I would like to comment. So I just completed a white paper around chronic
[2:13:48]
absenteeism. It's in draft format,
[2:13:51]
and where we looked at some schools in the St.
[2:13:53]
Louis area, but it forced us to also look at some of those organizations,
[2:13:58]
Spark Well, Attendance Works, just to see what was happening, and
[2:14:02]
you're absolutely correct. It is nationwide.
[2:14:04]
And so we are hearing from
[2:14:07]
students, we heard from district leaders.
[2:14:10]
No matter if it was an affluent community or a not so
[2:14:14]
affluent community, we saw some of the same trends.
[2:14:16]
But I would love to, when you have your retreat, maybe we'll have time.
[2:14:19]
Maybe our draft will be in final format. I can share that.
[2:14:23]
And also, the SLU PRIME Center has current research around
[2:14:27]
chronic absenteeism as well, and we can possibly get that to you so it could be a
[2:14:31]
discussion point.
[2:14:32]
Thank you.
[2:14:33]
You're welcome.
[2:14:35]
So on this slide, you will see
[2:14:39]
renewal requirements. Like I said, the previous slides are
[2:14:43]
really more informational than they are the requirements that the
[2:14:47]
sponsor actually looks at when it comes to making these decisions.
[2:14:51]
So this is what we review when the application comes to us,
[2:14:55]
including the data that DESE provides to all public schools.
[2:14:59]
So fiscal viability, academic record, and compliance.
[2:15:03]
Now, where we saw an issue was the academic record, and this
[2:15:07]
prompted us to, you'll see at the end when we come to our
[2:15:10]
recommendation, make more of an adjustment to the recommendation,
[2:15:15]
and talk to the sponsor about what this looks like moving forward.
[2:15:19]
Because of course you can't change anything that has already been done, but what
[2:15:23]
does this look like moving forward in the process that they see
[2:15:27]
with Hope Leadership Academy?
[2:15:30]
So part of that is looking at finance.
[2:15:32]
Now you will see here that in the capital
[2:15:35]
expenditures we see in school year '22 and '25,
[2:15:39]
there wasn't
[2:15:41]
anything there. And so,
[2:15:43]
part of our talking to the sponsor, we talked about what could have happened there.
[2:15:47]
And the school explains it could have been some equipment,
[2:15:50]
technology, furniture, or other qualifying purchases were
[2:15:54]
categorized under different expenditure codes.
[2:15:57]
But fundraising efforts have been happening, and intentional investment have
[2:16:01]
increased the per pupil expenditures.
[2:16:04]
So you'll see that there as well.
[2:16:09]
And of course, all schools need to have that 3% fund balance
[2:16:13]
minimum, and as you can see, the school was above that for at
[2:16:17]
least four out of the five years of this contract.
[2:16:21]
Now this is where we get to the things that the sponsor looks at
[2:16:25]
and meets with the school about. This is what is known as their
[2:16:29]
annual report or annual review with the school.
[2:16:33]
Every sponsor has one, but every sponsor does it a little
[2:16:37]
differently. Now there are baseline things that they look at in these
[2:16:40]
performance goals, including the things listed here.
[2:16:44]
You will see Mets or Not Mets or Partially Mets.
[2:16:48]
This is the way that we simplify some of the performance
[2:16:52]
information that the sponsors provide for us, but each
[2:16:56]
sponsor tweaks theirs a little bit differently.
[2:16:59]
So we're going to talk about those Partially Mets and Not Met.
[2:17:02]
And Shanika, you might go back for just a minute.
[2:17:05]
Mm-hmm.
[2:17:05]
So it is true, correct, that each of those
[2:17:08]
categories, academics, financial management, down through
[2:17:11]
operations, we see those evaluated by every sponsor-
[2:17:15]
Every sponsor
[2:17:16]
... every time.
[2:17:16]
Mm-hmm.
[2:17:16]
Thank you.
[2:17:17]
Correct. We see these things every time.
[2:17:20]
Now,
[2:17:21]
the way that they look at how they're going to
[2:17:25]
monitor those things may be different with each sponsor.
[2:17:28]
So it might not be as simplified as I'm making it here, but
[2:17:32]
this is why we added the slide to talk a little bit more about the
[2:17:35]
Partially Mets and Not Mets, so you can understand what the sponsor was looking
[2:17:39]
at.
[2:17:46]
So you can see that
[2:17:48]
Hope Leadership Academy, again, didn't meet all of
[2:17:52]
their academic
[2:17:54]
performance goals. And so the
[2:17:58]
sponsor has looked at this issue, has talked to the school
[2:18:02]
about it, has made some changes when it comes to their performance
[2:18:05]
contract and the measurements that they're going to look at, and also the
[2:18:08]
consequences that will happen if they're not meeting their performance
[2:18:12]
goals. So the sponsor's going to talk a lot more about that, a lot more
[2:18:16]
than I can.
[2:18:21]
Then we also look at the new performance contract.
[2:18:24]
So how does this stack up to what was the
[2:18:28]
current performance contract? And you will see the way SLU sets
[2:18:32]
theirs up, they actually have three
[2:18:35]
sections. So they have a standard, the measurements and evidence that they're going
[2:18:39]
to look at for that standard, and then they also have what
[2:18:42]
will happen if they do not make these
[2:18:45]
outcomes. What do we plan on doing if the school
[2:18:49]
themself do not make these outcomes?
[2:18:51]
And again, the sponsor's going to talk a lot more about that.
[2:18:54]
But these are some of the things that you will see in all sponsors' performance
[2:18:58]
goals. When we talk about achievement goals, looking at MAP, you
[2:19:02]
talk about growth, and you look at curriculum.
[2:19:05]
A lot of sponsors look at these things.
[2:19:06]
They just may look at them in a different way.
[2:19:15]
So now here's our recommendation, and Lisa Sereno talked a little bit about
[2:19:21]
this at the beginning. And this is where the
[2:19:24]
department presents SLU's recommendation for the State
[2:19:28]
Board of Education to authorize Hope Leadership Academy to
[2:19:32]
continue operations pursuant to the charter's renewal
[2:19:36]
granted by SLU.
[2:19:40]
And what we would like to see is for SLU to come back
[2:19:44]
and give us an updated report once they get the data from the
[2:19:47]
'26, '27 school year, which we're currently in.
[2:19:52]
Now, this is important because a lot of times we never get to see that fifth
[2:19:56]
year of data in these contracts because the contracts end
[2:20:00]
in June. So we look at only four years of data.
[2:20:04]
But this, when SLU comes back, you will get to see that fifth year of data in that
[2:20:08]
contract and how the school has performed.
[2:20:11]
So they're going to come back and tell us all about that.
[2:20:14]
Now, Alexandra
[2:20:18]
Boyd and her team will take over from here to provide more
[2:20:22]
specifics in the information that I gave, especially about the
[2:20:26]
performance contracts and the reasons why they wanted to renew Hope
[2:20:30]
Leadership Academy.
[2:20:36]
Thank you, Shaneka and Lisa.
[2:20:41]
While we were on break, you'll see we handed out some
[2:20:45]
slides for you guys. Is it on here too?
[2:20:48]
He's pausing it.
[2:20:50]
Okay.
[2:20:50]
Putting it up now.
[2:20:54]
You should have a copy of our latest
[2:20:58]
annual report for the Office of School and Community Partnerships.
[2:21:02]
This highlights the work that we do in our charter authorizing
[2:21:06]
office, and also with our schools.
[2:21:09]
And then you also have printed out a slide deck,
[2:21:13]
but it'll be on-screen too to follow along.
[2:21:15]
And then there's also a letter of support in there from Black KC,
[2:21:20]
which is a community-focused
[2:21:23]
nonprofit in the Kansas City area.
[2:21:27]
So those are the things you have.
[2:21:32]
Before I get started, I just want to mention that our Dean,
[2:21:36]
Gary Ritter, and then the Executive Director of SLU Prime,
[2:21:40]
Colin Hitt, who usually attend these meetings with me, they
[2:21:45]
send their regrets, but they are at a national convening to talk about
[2:21:49]
growth measures. And so
[2:21:53]
I got to get the Avengers on my team this time with Dr.
[2:21:56]
Brown and Dr. Shaheed. So thank you guys for joining us.
[2:22:00]
So I'll walk you through why SLU is renewing HLA, Hope Leadership
[2:22:04]
Academy. It's a great question, and I'm looking forward to answering it.
[2:22:09]
I want to talk to you a little bit first about the Office for School and Community
[2:22:13]
Partnerships and our commitment and our strategic support for the
[2:22:16]
schools in our portfolio.
[2:22:19]
Talk about Hope's positive response to accountability so far,
[2:22:23]
their growing community engagement and investments.
[2:22:27]
Talk about the way they are exceeding growth expectations,
[2:22:31]
and also talk about the relative opportunities for
[2:22:35]
students if Hope Leadership Academy didn't exist, where they would likely
[2:22:39]
attend, and then conclude with our high-stakes,
[2:22:43]
high-priority contract goals. There are many of them.
[2:22:46]
I pulled a few out for our discussion
[2:22:50]
today.
[2:22:51]
So first of all,
[2:22:54]
our commitment is to build intentional
[2:22:58]
partnerships that increase high-quality Pre-K 12 seats.
[2:23:02]
We like to sponsor schools that are innovative and schools that
[2:23:06]
serve students who are traditionally
[2:23:09]
marginalized, and we would love if we could do both in one
[2:23:13]
school.
[2:23:16]
The strategic supports we offer are we work with
[2:23:19]
our high-quality schools, we work with them on expansion and
[2:23:22]
replication. As you all know, we were here a couple of months
[2:23:26]
ago asking to expand Frontier into Columbia,
[2:23:31]
and that's an example of a replication for us.
[2:23:35]
Then we also work around either turnaround or closure.
[2:23:38]
So if there's a school that's not quite as high quality as we would like it to be,
[2:23:42]
we will work with that school to see if we need to move towards turnaround, if
[2:23:46]
there are assets there, or if things are too far
[2:23:50]
gone and we need to move to closure.
[2:23:53]
We also support with professional development.
[2:23:56]
Plugging right now on July 22nd through 24th, we're
[2:24:00]
having a Summer Learning Institute at St.
[2:24:03]
Louis University hosted by my office that's free to anybody
[2:24:07]
who wants to come. So you guys are welcome to join us.
[2:24:11]
We also host for our portfolio
[2:24:15]
schools,
[2:24:16]
a connection point called Roots and Reach. And Dr.
[2:24:19]
Shaheed, would you tell us a little bit about Roots and Reach?
[2:24:22]
Sure. It's a quarterly convening with our executive directors and school
[2:24:26]
leaders so that we can meet around sharing best
[2:24:29]
practices as it relates to MSIP 6. So our last meeting was
[2:24:33]
around board governance, and what it looks like is almost like a
[2:24:38]
fireside chat where our executive directors are talking about their school.
[2:24:42]
So whether it's the executive director of Frontier or Academy Lafayette,
[2:24:46]
where Hope and our other schools in our portfolio can ask those intimate questions
[2:24:50]
and really learn side by side. And so we believe
[2:24:53]
excellence is about sharing and collaboration.
[2:24:56]
So that's the purpose of the Roots and Reach convening.
[2:24:59]
Thank you, Dr. Shaheed. And we're looking into expanding that down
[2:25:03]
to the middle management roles as well.
[2:25:05]
So past the executive directors to the instructional coaches, the
[2:25:09]
special ed directors, things of that nature.
[2:25:12]
Then we also have the GAINS cohort, which is running
[2:25:16]
in collaboration with SLU Prime and School Smart Kansas City
[2:25:20]
and the Community Foundation in St. Louis.
[2:25:24]
What we're doing there is we have found schools that are extremely
[2:25:27]
high growth, and most of them with high direct certification numbers or high
[2:25:31]
free and reduced lunch numbers to figure out what it is that they're doing
[2:25:35]
to get that high growth and see if it's something that can be replicated in other
[2:25:39]
parts of the state.
[2:25:42]
And then, of course, our charter portfolio schools will be
[2:25:46]
one of the first audiences for that report when it comes out.
[2:25:50]
And then Dr. Brown, could you talk about our support for
[2:25:54]
teacher certification?
[2:25:55]
Absolutely.
[2:25:57]
So one of the things at SLU that we believe strongly in is
[2:26:01]
supporting diverse teacher
[2:26:04]
certification pathways.
[2:26:06]
You may have heard that we recently expanded to an online program
[2:26:10]
that supports both St. Louis and Kansas City and the entire state,
[2:26:14]
with a two-year program that allows paraprofessionals in schools
[2:26:18]
to be certified to move towards a full bachelor's degree
[2:26:22]
to become certified to teach in schools that they're already currently
[2:26:26]
working in. And we continue to look at ways
[2:26:30]
to support not just creating great teachers,
[2:26:34]
and leaders in our schools, but supporting the community
[2:26:38]
itself, through Dr. Boyd's office, and the
[2:26:42]
work that we do across the state
[2:26:45]
We also offer various educational leader trainings and
[2:26:48]
credentials, from principalship all the way up to
[2:26:51]
superintendents.
[2:26:53]
And last, it's been mentioned several times, our Prime Center Policy Research
[2:26:57]
Center in Missouri Education. I was very happy to hear the question
[2:27:00]
about attendance, because our Prime Center has been doing some work-
[2:27:04]
Mm
[2:27:04]
... and continues to do some work on really getting into the data of what's
[2:27:08]
causing this, because it's something that is plaguing not only our state,
[2:27:12]
but our nation. And so, it's great for us to be able to
[2:27:16]
rely on high quality research coming out of the
[2:27:20]
Prime Center, not only to inform our decisions when it comes
[2:27:23]
to charter authorization, but also some of the wider questions
[2:27:27]
that we have existing in education.
[2:27:31]
The last thing I'll say is in teacher certification, it really excites me as
[2:27:35]
someone who works in teacher ed to be able to partner directly with
[2:27:38]
schools so that some of our new teachers coming out of colleges of
[2:27:42]
education can be a part of the various schools that we support,
[2:27:46]
whether that be traditional public schools, charter schools, private schools,
[2:27:50]
things like that, so that they can see the rich diversity in what exists in
[2:27:54]
education in Missouri. And this is one way that we can help,
[2:27:58]
as an institution, feed great teachers into classrooms like at Hope
[2:28:02]
Leadership Academy. We truly believe that that's a pathway
[2:28:06]
that exists, and that we hope to be able to capitalize on.
[2:28:09]
And thank you so much. And I just wanted you to know all of the
[2:28:13]
things that we do to support our schools as we walk through this data and talk
[2:28:16]
about Hope Leadership Academy in particular.
[2:28:19]
You'll see when they joined our portfolio, we worked to support leadership at
[2:28:24]
Hope to improve on logistics and
[2:28:27]
structure, and operational practices.
[2:28:30]
So they quickly changed from partially met to met on several standards.
[2:28:34]
I also want to note that over the general trajectory,
[2:28:38]
academic achievement has improved.
[2:28:41]
Not as quickly as we would like, but it is heading in the right
[2:28:44]
direction. So even though it says partially met across, just know that's partially
[2:28:48]
met with some improvements happening in those sections.
[2:28:52]
I want to highlight here that Hope Leadership Academy has done a great job in
[2:28:56]
working with the community and working to provide a school that the
[2:28:59]
community wants.
[2:29:01]
Most recently, they've received half a million dollar funding for
[2:29:05]
expansion, to have a larger building, enroll more students,
[2:29:10]
and better support those students.
[2:29:12]
From that investment, they'll be able to add an additional instructional coach
[2:29:16]
in math. They had an instructional coach last year that really focused
[2:29:20]
on ELA, and so now they'll add an instructional coach on math
[2:29:24]
with those added funds.
[2:29:28]
And then want to talk to you about Hope exceeding growth
[2:29:31]
expectations. So here you can see Missouri's
[2:29:35]
distribution of growth scores
[2:29:39]
across the state. The average using the prime growth score is an
[2:29:43]
85. You'll see in ELA, Hope Leadership Academy got
[2:29:47]
a 94.2. That means that they're
[2:29:50]
performing in growth better than about
[2:29:54]
96% of other elementary students.
[2:29:56]
So there are about 1,000 schools in that group, and they're
[2:30:00]
38th out of 1,000 in terms of ELA growth.
[2:30:03]
For math, they're 220 out of 1,000 for ELA
[2:30:07]
growth, which means they're doing
[2:30:09]
better than about 78% of other elementary schools in math.
[2:30:13]
And what that essentially means is that they're doing a really good job of
[2:30:16]
helping to catch up students,
[2:30:19]
taking them where they are, and growing them more than what is expected over the
[2:30:22]
year.
[2:30:25]
Here you can see about the proficiency.
[2:30:28]
We're going to talk about that too, and then the other schools that are in the
[2:30:31]
neighborhood,
[2:30:33]
where HLA is. So you'll see
[2:30:37]
I have HLA is at the top because it has a
[2:30:41]
94 in the ELA growth score. The proficiency
[2:30:45]
rate is only 11%, but I want to tell you why we're focusing on
[2:30:49]
the growth score, because what you don't see in the proficiency number is
[2:30:53]
that there were several students that covered upwards of
[2:30:57]
60, 80-point scale scores, and came within
[2:31:00]
10 points or fewer of becoming proficient.
[2:31:04]
So that's not going to show up in that 11%, but that's what's showing up in that
[2:31:08]
growth. So there were students who made incredible growth
[2:31:11]
gains in ELA over this past year.
[2:31:15]
They're outperforming at least one neighborhood school in straight proficiency, and
[2:31:18]
they're outperforming all the neighborhood schools in growth, as well
[2:31:22]
as
[2:31:24]
the Kansas City public schools, and the state average
[2:31:28]
is 85.
[2:31:30]
Here's for math. Math is not as nice of a story, but they still have
[2:31:34]
the highest growth score for the schools in their neighborhood.
[2:31:39]
And as I said, with the investment from Black
[2:31:43]
KC, they'll be able to hire a math interventionist.
[2:31:46]
And so we hope to see that growth sustained, and as a
[2:31:50]
result, an improvement in proficiency.
[2:31:55]
Here are the high stakes contract goals,
[2:31:58]
for examples for you. So just so you know, we're really focused
[2:32:02]
on pushing students out of basic and below basic into
[2:32:06]
proficiency. So because of that, one of the high stakes contract goals
[2:32:10]
that we have
[2:32:11]
says that all students who previously scored a basic or below basic,
[2:32:15]
the average of those students will score
[2:32:19]
higher than expected on their growth score.
[2:32:21]
And if
[2:32:23]
that doesn't happen, then we'll send a letter of concern out to the school and
[2:32:27]
work with them to build
[2:32:30]
a plan for improvement. If
[2:32:34]
the
[2:32:35]
plan is deemed insufficient, then we will put them on probation, and
[2:32:39]
then we will tell them exactly what we think they should do and carry out at the
[2:32:43]
school.
[2:32:44]
And so that's for ELA and for math. And just one other note, that if the
[2:32:48]
school meets fewer than half of its academic achievement standards in any year,
[2:32:52]
it will pause new student enrollment for the upcoming school year.
[2:32:56]
So we're focused on supporting Hope so that they can be
[2:33:01]
... stronger for the students and the community.
[2:33:04]
And if they don't do that, we will move towards closure.
[2:33:08]
And
[2:33:09]
I just want to note that renewal is not a stamp of approval for
[2:33:13]
status quo. It's something that we want to do to continue to support
[2:33:17]
improvement. And we believe if HOPE Leadership Academy did not exist,
[2:33:21]
students would be going to schools where proficiency is
[2:33:25]
around the same, but growth is a little bit lower, where they wouldn't necessarily
[2:33:29]
be pushed past proficiency staying with the program.
[2:33:35]
Then also, I'd just like to highlight in our
[2:33:38]
annual report, if you look on page 17, you
[2:33:42]
can see the image of the growth scores for our entire
[2:33:46]
portfolio.
[2:33:48]
And you can see that Hope Leadership Academy has the single
[2:33:51]
highest growth score for the entire portfolio, and that's a
[2:33:55]
94.2 in ELA. That's higher than
[2:33:59]
Frontier's math growth score, which is the highest in the state.
[2:34:03]
So I'd just like to note that we're doing good work, and we're pushing for better.
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I'm happy to entertain any questions you have.
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Mrs. Casey.
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Thank you, President Miller.
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And thank you for this additional information.
[2:34:17]
It's helpful, and I think it will...
[2:34:21]
We still have work to do in this area, but this is a good start
[2:34:25]
of being able to provide more specific details
[2:34:29]
about the plans for improvement at a specific
[2:34:33]
charter school or any school.
[2:34:35]
A couple of various questions. If I look back at your
[2:34:39]
slide on how Hope Leadership Academy is building for the future,
[2:34:44]
you
[2:34:45]
indicate new curriculums.
[2:34:50]
My first question is, have those curriculums been vetted to ensure that they're
[2:34:54]
deemed high-quality instruction materials, and are they on the
[2:34:57]
approved state curriculum list?
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Yes, ma'am. That's where the
[2:35:04]
curriculum was sourced from the state-approved list.
[2:35:06]
They looked at what was on the list and then found what best fit
[2:35:10]
the student body. They're using the McGraw Hill text to
[2:35:14]
support their curriculum.
[2:35:17]
Thank you.
[2:35:18]
I don't see any mention of assessment tools that are being
[2:35:22]
used in this particular-
[2:35:24]
Mm-hmm
[2:35:25]
... update. So, the same question, are the
[2:35:28]
assessment tools being used
[2:35:32]
on the list of approved assessment tools?
[2:35:36]
Yes. They're using i-Ready.
[2:35:38]
Okay. And then how regularly will you
[2:35:42]
as a sponsor review those assessment results?
[2:35:45]
So, as a sponsor, we attend every single board
[2:35:49]
meeting of our charter schools, and so we require that
[2:35:52]
those details are reviewed at the board meeting.
[2:35:56]
And so we will see them either before, perhaps at an
[2:36:00]
academic meeting or in the board meeting where they're reviewed,
[2:36:04]
and so within a couple of weeks of the
[2:36:07]
results.
[2:36:09]
So, and my last question in this area, and turn it
[2:36:13]
over, the contract goals.
[2:36:16]
Yes.
[2:36:17]
There's nothing specific here. There's no specific
[2:36:21]
targeted goal that they will grow by X, or an actual...
[2:36:25]
There's descriptive-
[2:36:27]
Mm-hmm
[2:36:27]
... but there is not a specific measurement-
[2:36:30]
Mm-hmm
[2:36:30]
... defined. So what are the targets for growth?
[2:36:33]
How much are you expecting
[2:36:36]
HLA to grow, and by what cohort and
[2:36:40]
what timeframe?
[2:36:41]
Yeah. So, we expect HLA to exceed growth
[2:36:45]
expectations from now until they
[2:36:49]
are on par with the district and the state.
[2:36:52]
But exceed could be 1% or 5% or
[2:36:56]
20%. There should be a specific goal.
[2:37:02]
I'll turn it over.
[2:37:03]
Mm-hmm.
[2:37:05]
Mrs. Westbrooks-Hodges.
[2:37:06]
Thank you, Mr. President. I think what
[2:37:10]
Carrie is getting at, and what I'm thinking is, at what point does growth
[2:37:14]
show up in the status column?
[2:37:16]
Yeah. No, I appreciate that question.
[2:37:18]
Right. And so
[2:37:20]
first of all, I'm a big fan of SLU and the Prime Center and the
[2:37:24]
work that you're doing, and I really deeply appreciate the
[2:37:28]
focus on growth and growing our children.
[2:37:31]
Thank you.
[2:37:32]
When can we expect to see... So what are your projections-
[2:37:35]
Yeah
[2:37:35]
... and when do we move from growth to-
[2:37:38]
Mm-hmm
[2:37:38]
... an expectation of a particular status at a particular
[2:37:43]
time?
[2:37:44]
Yeah.
[2:37:44]
So what's your-
[2:37:45]
I appreciate-
[2:37:45]
... two years? Is it three years? When are we going to get there?
[2:37:47]
Yeah. I appreciate the rephrase of the question.
[2:37:51]
So
[2:37:52]
in my experience in working with schools that are doing turnaround work here in
[2:37:56]
Missouri,
[2:37:57]
when students are with a program for three consecutive
[2:38:01]
years, we should expect to see an increase in proficiency for the
[2:38:05]
students that have stayed with the program for three consecutive years.
[2:38:09]
If we get above expected growth for three consecutive years,
[2:38:13]
that usually results in a movement from one bucket to the
[2:38:17]
next, from below basic to basic, or basic to proficient.
[2:38:19]
Hold on to that. So the next question is, we see the
[2:38:23]
attendance challenges. Talk about mobility
[2:38:28]
and how often these
[2:38:30]
cohorts are turning over, and if we
[2:38:34]
expect that we can achieve the
[2:38:37]
persistency and the
[2:38:40]
progression-
[2:38:41]
Mm-hmm
[2:38:41]
... of the same cohort of students.
[2:38:43]
Yeah, no.
[2:38:43]
Is that a challenge?
[2:38:44]
That is definitely a challenge, and that's one of the reasons that it's so
[2:38:48]
exciting to work in the School of Education that authorizes schools
[2:38:52]
because we're working to support individual schools, but
[2:38:56]
we're also working to support the overall sector.
[2:38:59]
So the things that we learn from other schools, we'll try to implement at Hope,
[2:39:03]
and hopefully positively impacts public education.
[2:39:07]
Are you seeing an impact
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Do you have that long tail data to say you're impacting mobility?
[2:39:19]
Not on this first run of our white paper, but there are some
[2:39:23]
districts that are. But I can say-
[2:39:25]
That's the ultimate goal, right?
[2:39:26]
Yeah.
[2:39:26]
To-
[2:39:27]
Yeah.
[2:39:28]
And the goal is, like Dr. Boyd said, to replicate what is working in
[2:39:32]
certain districts.
[2:39:34]
What we found, and I think someone asked the question about parents and vacations,
[2:39:38]
there is a conversation that we're not having about a population
[2:39:42]
of students who have the means to take
[2:39:46]
a vacation in midweek, right before the holiday break, and so
[2:39:50]
those three days add up. So we've not built partnerships with the business
[2:39:54]
community to say, "Hey, can you work with us as a school district?" And I'm kind of
[2:39:58]
talking too much, because this is research that we have not delved into, but would
[2:40:02]
like to spend more time talking to the business community, and people like Dr.
[2:40:05]
Boyd. Not to point her out, she admitted herself how her son misses several days
[2:40:09]
of school because of his illness. But we have those educated
[2:40:13]
professionals, and they have the means and the resources, and they can
[2:40:17]
stay with nanny or grandmother. That's impacting the attendance rate.
[2:40:20]
But that's not included in when we're talking about chronic
[2:40:23]
absenteeism. That conversation is not normally had.
[2:40:26]
It is so much work to be done, and we won't just scratch the
[2:40:30]
surface with one organization, one set of data,
[2:40:34]
one research paper, of course.
[2:40:38]
But we are having the conversation with some of the schools.
[2:40:43]
So we have Maplewood Richmond Heights alongside Confluence Academy.
[2:40:47]
Look totally different in terms of their attendance data, but could we
[2:40:50]
share some of those conversations and dialogue and best practice?
[2:40:54]
We're not there yet, but that's the goal.
[2:40:57]
Mr. Otto.
[2:40:59]
Yeah. This is
[2:41:01]
kind of going back to the high-priority contract goals.
[2:41:04]
And so, I see that the measurement you just described
[2:41:07]
was growth year over year.
[2:41:11]
And you did mention that
[2:41:13]
if they don't meet those standards, you'll pause new student enrollment, and then
[2:41:17]
eventually
[2:41:18]
close the school. So how long, what's the runway there
[2:41:23]
if they are not
[2:41:25]
meeting their... Because the numbers, I
[2:41:28]
hate to shine a spotlight on it, and I don't know what the causes were, but
[2:41:32]
92, 93%
[2:41:36]
below basic is not really good, right?
[2:41:38]
And so,
[2:41:39]
to focus on those prime numbers, yeah, they grew
[2:41:43]
from 93 to 73, but that's going to
[2:41:47]
plateau at some point, I think. Or maybe it isn't. I don't know.
[2:41:50]
Maybe they're
[2:41:52]
really improving the students. But it's kind of easy to go from
[2:41:56]
really bad to okay,
[2:41:58]
and then to keep moving forward from okay to
[2:42:01]
good and great and everything like that.
[2:42:02]
But
[2:42:04]
really my question is, what's the timeline?
[2:42:06]
How long are you going to give them
[2:42:09]
to keep showing improvement?
[2:42:11]
Yeah. And I just want to say that
[2:42:14]
the growth measure that Missouri has is a really strong, robust measure.
[2:42:18]
And so it's not necessarily... Typically, you would think it's easier to grow
[2:42:22]
if you're a lower proficiency than if you're a higher proficiency.
[2:42:25]
That's not necessarily the case. So I just want to state that.
[2:42:28]
But in terms of your question for the timeline,
[2:42:32]
we're going to review the results of
[2:42:35]
this most recent iteration of testing to see if
[2:42:39]
they produced the same amount of growth and improved proficiency.
[2:42:43]
So once we receive that information, I'm hoping by December,
[2:42:47]
we'll be able to make that decision about whether or not we need to move into the
[2:42:50]
letter of concern for an improvement plan or not.
[2:42:53]
If we do have to move into a letter of concern and improvement plan
[2:42:57]
basis, if we're on the same page and we are
[2:43:01]
agreeable to the plan in place, and the plan is
[2:43:04]
executed well, then we should be fine.
[2:43:07]
If not, the school will be closed within the following 18 months.
[2:43:11]
Okay. Thank you.
[2:43:14]
Mm-hmm.
[2:43:15]
So the recommendation is the sponsor, SLU, recommends
[2:43:19]
a five-year renewal. Oh, I'm sorry.
[2:43:22]
No.
[2:43:22]
Yes.
[2:43:24]
Oh.
[2:43:25]
Go ahead. Go ahead and finish.
[2:43:26]
Okay.
[2:43:26]
And then I'll come back.
[2:43:28]
This recommendation is based on the sponsor's analysis of the comprehensive
[2:43:32]
body of objective evidence. The department presents SLU's
[2:43:36]
recommendation that the State Board of Education authorize Hope Leadership
[2:43:39]
Academy to continue operations pursuant to the charter renewal
[2:43:43]
granted by SLU effective July 1st
[2:43:48]
of 2026 for a five-year period. Per the
[2:43:51]
contingencies outlined in the performance contract and the sponsor's
[2:43:55]
additional review of academics,
[2:43:58]
an update to the State Board of Education following the
[2:44:02]
'26-'27 school year.
[2:44:06]
Do we have a motion for that?
[2:44:10]
Motion.
[2:44:11]
Second.
[2:44:11]
And a second. We have a motion and a second, so now we'll discuss it.
[2:44:16]
Mrs. Casey.
[2:44:17]
Thank you very much.
[2:44:18]
Do we, as a board, have an option to recommend less than a five-year
[2:44:22]
renewal?
[2:44:23]
Unfortunately, statute does not
[2:44:26]
have anything for that. We don't have a up to in
[2:44:30]
statute, so it's either five or 10 or
[2:44:34]
nothing.
[2:44:35]
Okay. Thank you for confirming.
[2:44:38]
I don't know the most appropriate way to address this point.
[2:44:42]
It was stated earlier that you will require the
[2:44:47]
sponsor to come back with an update-
[2:44:50]
Yes
[2:44:50]
... at year one. I would like to further amend the
[2:44:54]
motion to include that point, that the sponsor will
[2:44:58]
come back
[2:44:59]
each, and I would like to
[2:45:02]
go beyond your recommendation that it be
[2:45:05]
just in this next year, but that they come back annually
[2:45:09]
during this five-year period until they meet their
[2:45:13]
goals.
[2:45:17]
Yeah, there needs to be a second.
[2:45:18]
Oh, I'll second the amendment to the motion.
[2:45:21]
Okay. So we have an amendment to the motion, and it has been
[2:45:25]
seconded.
[2:45:26]
So any discussion on the amendment?
[2:45:30]
Mr. Matusik?
[2:45:32]
No real discussion, just a question.
[2:45:35]
Brad, do you have that, what you need? Okay.
[2:45:38]
Okay, any other questions?
[2:45:41]
Sorry, just a point of clarification.
[2:45:44]
I know Board Member Westbrook Hodge asked at the beginning,
[2:45:48]
what if we vote no, basically. Really paraphrasing,
[2:45:52]
but
[2:45:53]
I took a look at the statute, and I want somebody to correct me, but it looks like
[2:45:57]
if the
[2:46:00]
school meets the requirements, then we have to
[2:46:03]
approve. There's no
[2:46:06]
no. But at least from what I can tell,
[2:46:09]
under 160.403,
[2:46:13]
the only real authority that the state school board
[2:46:17]
has would be to deny a sponsor who
[2:46:21]
sponsors charter schools who we may or may not approve of. Is that correct?
[2:46:25]
Absolutely. So you'll
[2:46:29]
see, like this new board, some people who haven't been here
[2:46:33]
for long enough will see the evaluation of sponsors come forth.
[2:46:37]
That's every three years or as caused.
[2:46:40]
So if the department says, "Hey, board, we think we
[2:46:44]
need to evaluate this sponsor prior two to three years," or the board comes back
[2:46:48]
and says, "We want to evaluate this sponsor based on
[2:46:52]
whatever."
[2:46:53]
Yeah, so I just wanted to clarify that.
[2:46:54]
So I think it's appropriate that we included this modification
[2:46:58]
that the sponsor come back to us about this particular school, and then we
[2:47:02]
can take that into account when we are
[2:47:06]
evaluating the renewal of the sponsor. Does that make sense?
[2:47:09]
Yes.
[2:47:10]
Okay. Mrs. Westbrook.
[2:47:12]
And this isn't an amendment to the motion, it's just discussion
[2:47:16]
about
[2:47:17]
what would be helpful when you come back.
[2:47:20]
It would be great if you were to, based on your growth
[2:47:24]
projections model, when you expect
[2:47:27]
them to get to that status point that we like
[2:47:31]
to see. Is it going to take 10 years, three years?
[2:47:35]
That's helpful context, and it also holds
[2:47:39]
you guys accountable for meeting those projections
[2:47:43]
and those growth targets,
[2:47:45]
because growth is great, but it needs to get you somewhere.
[2:47:49]
Well, the only way to get somewhere is to grow.
[2:47:52]
It is. And so, I think that's
[2:47:55]
a happy balancing act, right?
[2:47:59]
To
[2:48:00]
push for growth,
[2:48:02]
and to project those targets, and then help us
[2:48:06]
understand those
[2:48:08]
status levels that you're attempting to achieve.
[2:48:11]
Yeah. I'm very excited to do that. That's part of the work that's going
[2:48:15]
on with the GAINS cohort right now, where we have a tool that we're working with
[2:48:19]
to model just that. So it would be my pleasure.
[2:48:23]
Okay.
[2:48:24]
I think something else, just
[2:48:26]
to remind the sponsors and the board and our schools, that with the
[2:48:30]
grade cards that the governor, the executive order, has called for us to do, we'll
[2:48:34]
have an additional,
[2:48:36]
fairly clear moniker on each of our
[2:48:40]
public schools, including public charter schools and districts
[2:48:44]
moving forward.
[2:48:45]
So we do have the amendment, and it's been moved, and it's been
[2:48:49]
seconded. So can we move for a vote on the
[2:48:52]
amendment to the motion?
[2:48:56]
So is there any more questions about the amendment?
[2:49:00]
Hearing none, all those in favor of the amendment as presented, which is to have
[2:49:04]
them come back annually and present.
[2:49:07]
Okay.
[2:49:09]
All those in favor say aye.
[2:49:10]
Aye.
[2:49:10]
Aye.
[2:49:11]
Aye.
[2:49:11]
Any opposition?
[2:49:13]
Hearing none, that passes. Now we'll go to the motion.
[2:49:17]
And so,
[2:49:20]
is there any questions about the motion with the amendment?
[2:49:23]
Well, any additions to it?
[2:49:25]
I think we just approved the motion as amended, so we're good on that.
[2:49:29]
No, we didn't vote on the motion.
[2:49:31]
Which was to-
[2:49:32]
Did we?
[2:49:33]
No.
[2:49:33]
I don't-
[2:49:34]
I think we stopped.
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You vote to amend that, then you vote the motion.
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So you're saying we included the motion in the
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amendment when we voted on the amendment?
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I think for
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clarification, to restate,
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and for
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clarity, and that we will revote, but the motion
[2:49:55]
on the floor is to approve the renewal
[2:50:00]
of Hope Leadership Academy for five years
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and require the sponsor to present to the
[2:50:07]
board,
[2:50:08]
each year, annually during that renewal period, the
[2:50:12]
progress made toward the specific goals
[2:50:15]
set within their
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contract with the school. And
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that
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include a long-range projection.
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And that is the motion on the floor.
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And it's been seconded by Mr. Otto.
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And the vote-
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Mm-hmm
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... is according to that motion. Yeah.
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So we've all voted on that motion.
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Yes.
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And that was the motion.
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Okay.
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Thank you for your service. I appreciate you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank
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you.
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So are you--
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I don't believe that's correct. I think you have to vote on the
[2:51:04]
renewed motion.
[2:51:08]
Yeah, we put it on the-
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Mm-hmm.
[2:51:11]
And that goes down to the motion.
[2:51:14]
Yeah.
[2:51:14]
And to correct them-
[2:51:15]
Yes
[2:51:16]
... change motion on the floor, then you vote on it.
[2:51:18]
Correct.
[2:51:19]
You're correct.
[2:51:19]
Okay.
[2:51:20]
Yeah.
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Yeah.
[2:51:25]
So,
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yeah, just call for a vote.
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Yeah.
[2:51:29]
So, we're going to call for a vote-
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Sure
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... with the amendment that we've already approved for
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the motion with the amendment-
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Yeah
[2:51:38]
... and current basis.
[2:51:40]
Yeah.
[2:51:41]
Yeah. Okay?
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And now let me just get a second to that, or a first, I
[2:51:46]
guess, because it would be a different motion.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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To accept the original motion as amended.
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As amended. Yeah, that'd be correct.
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Move to accept the original motion as amended.
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Second.
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Okay. We have a motion and a second. All those in agreement say aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Any opposed? Hearing none, that passes unanimously. Thank you.
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Thank you for that clarity, Kyle, or Dr. Kruse.
[2:52:16]
Okay. Now,
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we will proceed to the second of the charter
[2:52:22]
renewals that we have for your consideration
[2:52:27]
today. This one is for
[2:52:30]
Citizens of the World Kansas City Charter School.
[2:52:34]
Its sponsor is Kansas City Public Schools, and with us
[2:52:38]
today we have
[2:52:40]
the Director of Education Collaboration, Allison Heil,
[2:52:44]
and the Deputy Superintendent, Daryl Davis,
[2:52:48]
from Kansas City Public Schools.
[2:52:51]
I'm going to turn this over to Shaneka.
[2:52:54]
We'll have a similar flow of the discussion.
[2:52:58]
The concern on this particular
[2:53:01]
renewal is not the
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really serious concern and
[2:53:09]
what really stood out about our previous
[2:53:13]
school, which was those low proficiency rates.
[2:53:17]
This is more about
[2:53:21]
Kansas City Public Schools taking over as sponsor of
[2:53:24]
Citizens of the World, and just looking at the
[2:53:28]
history of the previous sponsor's
[2:53:31]
evaluation of Citizens of the World and how
[2:53:35]
KCPS
[2:53:37]
looked at those evaluations and made its renewal decision.
[2:53:42]
Okay. Shaneka?
[2:53:43]
All right. So again, we have Citizens of the
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World, and this is what you saw last time, so we're not
[2:53:51]
going to go through it. We talked about the authority
[2:53:54]
and the process which the department takes when looking
[2:53:58]
at renewal applications. Now, Citizens
[2:54:02]
of the World, again, as stated, was previously
[2:54:06]
sponsored by Missouri Charter Public School Commission.
[2:54:09]
Now, this renewal is
[2:54:12]
a transfer of sponsor, as
[2:54:15]
in May with Allen Village. So if you
[2:54:19]
remember, there was an application for a renewal in May
[2:54:23]
with Allen Village, who transferred sponsorship to the Missouri Charter
[2:54:27]
Public School Commission. Citizens has made the decision to move
[2:54:31]
forward with their next five years to
[2:54:34]
Kansas City Public Schools as their sponsor.
[2:54:37]
This renewal will highlight the data Citizens' last four
[2:54:41]
years, as in the last renewal presentation.
[2:54:46]
The biggest difference, again, is going to be the performance contract
[2:54:50]
that will move into the next five years that is
[2:54:54]
being established by the Kansas City Public
[2:54:57]
Schools. What you will see in this renewal is the
[2:55:01]
current performance contract, their performance goals, and where they
[2:55:05]
stand or stood with Missouri Charter Public School
[2:55:08]
Commission. Does that make sense?
[2:55:12]
It is a lot going on, but understand that
[2:55:15]
you're looking at the renewal with the commission
[2:55:19]
and what the commission
[2:55:22]
looked at when it was doing its annual review of this school.
[2:55:26]
And then at the end, you will see the performance contract and goals
[2:55:31]
that have been set forward for the next five years with Kansas City Public.
[2:55:34]
Yes.
[2:55:35]
Thank you for that clarification.
[2:55:36]
At this point, could you explain why this transfer is taking place
[2:55:41]
and why the sponsors are changing?
[2:55:42]
And I will let
[2:55:44]
Allison talk. She was going to talk a lot more about that
[2:55:48]
at the end of the presentation, but can you speak a little bit about that now?
[2:55:52]
Sure.
[2:55:54]
Either one?
[2:55:54]
Yes.
[2:55:55]
Okay.
[2:55:56]
So earlier in the year, the school decided
[2:56:00]
to
[2:56:03]
cut ties with their national charter organization and become a local
[2:56:07]
independent
[2:56:09]
public charter school. And so,
[2:56:13]
after doing that, they decided that they were going to
[2:56:16]
pursue
[2:56:18]
emerging
[2:56:20]
collaboration with another charter school that is in our system,
[2:56:24]
that's part of our portfolio. And so aligning with a common
[2:56:28]
sponsor
[2:56:30]
seemed to make sense. It would allow them to create some
[2:56:33]
operational efficiencies and to strengthen their academic
[2:56:38]
initiatives together under a common sponsor.
[2:56:40]
So that was
[2:56:42]
a lot of the decision.
[2:56:43]
And why are they leaving their national
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organization?
[2:56:48]
Management.
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The management company.
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The national management organization.
[2:56:53]
They had spent 10 years with that organization.
[2:56:56]
They felt like they had grown. They were going
[2:57:00]
to
[2:57:02]
continue to grow, and I think economically or
[2:57:06]
financially, it was a good move for them to do so.
[2:57:09]
They were going to be able to keep 5% of their local aid,
[2:57:14]
and bring it back into their organization. So it made sense for them.
[2:57:18]
And we have history in Missouri of charter
[2:57:22]
schools starting out with their management company, helping them with the back
[2:57:26]
office things that they need as they open up and grow, and then
[2:57:29]
moving from those management companies to just stand on their own.
[2:57:33]
So this has happened in previous times as well.
[2:57:39]
So again, just like in the last presentation, you will see this information
[2:57:43]
is informational. It's not necessarily what the sponsor is looking at when it
[2:57:47]
comes to a renewal decision. So, we have
[2:57:51]
information here on their enrollment,
[2:57:56]
their demographics, and you'll see it next to the
[2:58:00]
local district as well as the state.
[2:58:04]
Their 90/90, which we talked about with the last
[2:58:09]
presentation. And
[2:58:12]
we will have more conversation when the sponsor gives
[2:58:15]
you
[2:58:17]
their reasoning, their process, all those things that go into their
[2:58:21]
goals.
[2:58:23]
And also, you have here the assessment or performance
[2:58:27]
information for ELA. You'll see
[2:58:31]
Citizens compared to the local district, compared to the state.
[2:58:35]
Again, that's more informational because in statute it doesn't say
[2:58:39]
that the school will be compared to the state, but the school is compared to the
[2:58:42]
local district.
[2:58:45]
Then we have math.
[2:58:48]
And then we move on to what the renewal requirements are,
[2:58:52]
which we talk about fiscal, we talk about academic, and we talk about
[2:58:55]
compliance. When looking at this renewal application, we really didn't see
[2:58:59]
any issues with any of these
[2:59:04]
considerations. The only thing is, is that they are moving to
[2:59:08]
another sponsor, and what their
[2:59:11]
current sponsor looked at and how that sponsor evaluated
[2:59:15]
them.
[2:59:21]
And here we have more information about finance.
[2:59:24]
Now, prior to 2025, the school leased its
[2:59:28]
facility through IFF. In the spring of 2025, the
[2:59:31]
school purchased the building, so you'll see some significant jumps
[2:59:35]
in
[2:59:38]
their finances here.
[2:59:42]
Again, we're looking at the fund balance, and the school has remained well above
[2:59:45]
the 3% fund balance required by public schools.
[2:59:50]
Now, this is what I was talking about at the beginning.
[2:59:53]
This is the performance contract with the commission, the Missouri Charter Public
[2:59:56]
School Commission, and this is their analysis of the
[3:00:00]
performance goals
[3:00:02]
with Citizens. So you'll see how they have
[3:00:06]
partially mets and mets in a lot of these
[3:00:09]
categories. Now, last time we talked about all
[3:00:14]
sponsors
[3:00:15]
have categories in academics, finance, learning,
[3:00:19]
governance, and operations.
[3:00:22]
Now, under that, they may have
[3:00:25]
five or six different goals that the
[3:00:29]
school needs to meet that will get you to that partial.
[3:00:33]
So not necessarily just as simplified as I have it
[3:00:37]
here, but more robust and a lot more things to
[3:00:41]
tick off when it comes to whether they met it or not.
[3:00:44]
And so we explain that here, those partially mets and what that
[3:00:48]
looks like. And we talk to the new sponsor about
[3:00:52]
what they're going to do to make sure that the school is meeting
[3:00:56]
these goals, and especially when it comes to their financial
[3:01:00]
goals and having that money on hand that they need.
[3:01:03]
So we had a conversation with the new sponsor to talk about what is that going
[3:01:07]
to look like moving forward, and what is that going to look like in your
[3:01:10]
performance goals. So, KCPS will talk more
[3:01:14]
about that once we finish our presentation.
[3:01:20]
And here are some of those goals that KCPS is putting
[3:01:24]
forth for Citizens. So you will see they have standards, and they
[3:01:28]
have their measures/evidence. Now, this is not
[3:01:32]
nearly all the things that KCPS is putting in their performance
[3:01:36]
contract, but this is just a simplified example of some of
[3:01:40]
the things that they're putting into their contract when it comes to Citizens and
[3:01:44]
what they expect to see.
[3:01:48]
So we're having the same recommendation here.
[3:01:51]
And again, this is not necessarily for academics, but the fact that they are
[3:01:54]
transferring to a new sponsor, so we can see what
[3:01:58]
that's going to look like moving forward.
[3:02:01]
So the recommendation is the same.
[3:02:03]
The sponsor, KCPS, recommends a five-year renewal.
[3:02:07]
This recommendation is based on the sponsor's analysis of the
[3:02:10]
comprehensive body of objective evidence.
[3:02:13]
The department presents KCPS's recommendation that
[3:02:17]
the State Board of Education authorize Citizens of the World, Kansas
[3:02:21]
City to continue operations pursuant to the charter renewal
[3:02:25]
granted by KCPS effective July 1st,
[3:02:29]
2026. And at the end of that, we are asking them to come
[3:02:33]
back with next year's data to give us a report on where they
[3:02:37]
see the school and how they see the school
[3:02:40]
performing moving forward.
[3:02:44]
And now I would like to turn it over to KCPS to give
[3:02:48]
you more information on their process as they looked
[3:02:52]
at this school and made the decision to take on this
[3:02:56]
new charter. So,
[3:02:58]
we'll-
[3:02:58]
Maybe before you start, I'll just,
[3:03:02]
a little bit more context.
[3:03:04]
Our level of concern around the
[3:03:08]
partially mets and the performance data that we see for this
[3:03:12]
particular renewal is not as high as it was for the last one
[3:03:16]
that we discussed.
[3:03:18]
So you have our read on this information.
[3:03:21]
Of course, we'll
[3:03:23]
ask you to make your own interpretation as you move forward.
[3:03:27]
Allison.
[3:03:27]
Okay, great.
[3:03:29]
So the school approached us, um
[3:03:33]
Probably January.
[3:03:35]
Oh, sorry. Forgot. The school approached us in January
[3:03:39]
about potential sponsorship, and so we began our process
[3:03:43]
of due diligence.
[3:03:45]
That included a meeting with the board chair, the
[3:03:49]
school leader, executive director, Dr.
[3:03:52]
Danielle Miles, doing a school visit,
[3:03:56]
and then just document reviews
[3:03:59]
of academic
[3:04:02]
documents, financial documents, operational
[3:04:05]
documents, reviewing their prior year
[3:04:09]
documents from the commission. And of course, we had established a
[3:04:14]
good working relationship with Citizens of the World, having
[3:04:18]
worked with them to pass the general obligation bond
[3:04:22]
in April of
[3:04:24]
2024, '5.
[3:04:29]
It was quite a year. And then also, we have
[3:04:33]
a collaboration council in Kansas City in which we meet with
[3:04:37]
charter leaders and KCPS leadership, and so we had a good
[3:04:40]
working relationship with them. So,
[3:04:43]
we did a review of that work. That is where internally we pulled in
[3:04:49]
internal folks from multiple departments to review this
[3:04:52]
data,
[3:04:54]
and looking at their academic performance, their finance performance,
[3:04:58]
their operational documents, their board governance documents,
[3:05:02]
really digging into that information
[3:05:05]
and seeing from that
[3:05:09]
perspective, really no concerns when it came to academics
[3:05:13]
or finances. Good audits.
[3:05:16]
Their
[3:05:18]
board governance things are online, transparent, everything
[3:05:22]
is shared.
[3:05:25]
So we really felt like everything was,
[3:05:31]
I think, very clear and,
[3:05:37]
I don't want to say above board, but everything was very clear, and we felt
[3:05:41]
good about it. So brought that to our
[3:05:47]
board and got approval, and so that is part of the
[3:05:51]
process that we followed in order to
[3:05:54]
move forward with this. So, I think we feel like
[3:05:58]
they're going to be good partners.
[3:06:00]
We have
[3:06:02]
very similar alignment when it comes to educating the
[3:06:06]
whole child, rigorous curriculum.
[3:06:10]
They have very strong beliefs when it comes to
[3:06:13]
restorative justice,
[3:06:16]
and really, I think,
[3:06:19]
student ownership of their own learning.
[3:06:21]
So,
[3:06:22]
they're also in a community in Kansas City that does not have a neighborhood
[3:06:26]
school, and we feel very strongly that that is a great addition to our portfolio,
[3:06:30]
where they are located, and now being a local and an
[3:06:34]
independent school in that space is really
[3:06:38]
important for that community and covering that neighborhood.
[3:06:44]
They offer supports. They have a large population
[3:06:48]
of McKinney-Vento students. 10% of their students are
[3:06:51]
McKinney-Vento and are serviced. Mm-hmm.
[3:06:55]
Yes.
[3:06:56]
What is that?
[3:06:57]
Oh, McKinney-Vento, students that are unhoused.
[3:07:02]
And they also have a large portion of their students that
[3:07:06]
have IEPs.
[3:07:09]
So they really service a
[3:07:13]
portion of the community that is very similar to ours and work hard to make sure
[3:07:17]
that they are servicing those students.
[3:07:19]
So their beliefs and philosophy is very similar to
[3:07:23]
KCPS as well. So we really feel,
[3:07:26]
I think, a very strong partnership with them
[3:07:30]
in that way as well. So.
[3:07:34]
Any questions?
[3:07:37]
Mrs. Casey.
[3:07:39]
Thank you, President Miller. And thank you for that and for your
[3:07:45]
straightforward input about why the sponsorship is changing, et
[3:07:49]
cetera. And I do think there's a lot of value in that local community
[3:07:52]
relationship, the collaboration, the partnership that you've had.
[3:07:56]
If you could go back to slide 13, which is the new
[3:08:00]
performance contract highlights, and if you could maybe first
[3:08:04]
just clarify for me, are you saying that,
[3:08:08]
or the way I am interpreting this, that your expectation is just they'll
[3:08:12]
just
[3:08:14]
continue to do what they're doing and fall into those categories
[3:08:17]
and your goal is that they'll be as good as
[3:08:21]
KCPS?
[3:08:23]
We provide supports along the way, so it wouldn't
[3:08:27]
be a hands-off relationship if that's-
[3:08:29]
Mm-hmm
[3:08:30]
... No.
[3:08:32]
Did you want to-
[3:08:32]
Well, really what I'm getting at is what are your specific goals?
[3:08:36]
What are your expectations for the students of Citizens of the
[3:08:40]
World to achieve-
[3:08:42]
Mm-hmm
[3:08:42]
... in their academic outcomes?
[3:08:44]
So they have set forth goals, and they have school-specific goals as
[3:08:48]
well. So they're looking at
[3:08:52]
changing from advanced proficient to looking at MPI
[3:08:55]
growth, which I appreciate. That means they're looking at students
[3:08:59]
growing out of all categories and not just focusing on
[3:09:03]
proficient, advanced, and those higher categories.
[3:09:06]
They're continuing to look at students
[3:09:09]
and
[3:09:11]
the chronically absent, so lowering the percent of students that are chronically
[3:09:15]
absent. They do tend to look more at
[3:09:19]
the ADA attendance, so average daily attendance over
[3:09:23]
proportional attendance, because budgets are based on that.
[3:09:28]
So they do have an attendance goal.
[3:09:30]
They do have an attendance or a-
[3:09:34]
Sorry, an academic goal that's based on subgroup performance as well, which is very
[3:09:38]
important. They focus very much on making sure that
[3:09:42]
they're paying attention to the performance of historically marginalized
[3:09:46]
student groups.
[3:09:48]
So what we do then is, of course, we have
[3:09:53]
monthly meetings with our sponsor charters.
[3:09:57]
So we're collaborating monthly with our sponsor charters.
[3:10:02]
We also are,
[3:10:04]
of course, as a sponsor, available with our content area
[3:10:08]
experts. We have monthly collaboration meetings where we're working with this
[3:10:12]
and problems of practice, things like chronic
[3:10:16]
absenteeism amongst our system. One thing I noticed as I was
[3:10:21]
looking at that slide is only seven out of the 20
[3:10:26]
systems in Kansas City, or LEAs in Kansas City, got two or more
[3:10:30]
of the four points available on
[3:10:34]
the APR. So two-thirds of the system
[3:10:38]
is struggling with proportional attendance or the way
[3:10:42]
we measure proportional attendance.
[3:10:44]
So it is something that the system needs to figure
[3:10:48]
out how we're going to work on that.
[3:10:50]
So it's not a matter of, "Good luck to you.
[3:10:55]
Here's your goals. Good luck to you." How are we going to work on
[3:10:59]
this together?
[3:10:59]
Yeah. And I appreciate that. And maybe it's just the format or the approach in
[3:11:03]
the presentation, but do you, as a sponsor,
[3:11:07]
have specific academic outcome goals by year,
[3:11:11]
much back to Pam's point earlier.
[3:11:16]
It's one thing to say
[3:11:18]
that it looks like you've just restated what the categories are
[3:11:22]
here, but what are the specific academic outcome goals in
[3:11:26]
ELA, in math, in science, and in
[3:11:30]
social studies as to
[3:11:33]
achievement and when you will get there?
[3:11:36]
In other words, specifics.
[3:11:38]
Yeah.
[3:11:39]
Pam, maybe you can add.
[3:11:40]
Yeah. I'm just blown away at just how we zoom in on the
[3:11:44]
same stuff.
[3:11:46]
And I think what's troubling us is
[3:11:51]
this looks like just a
[3:11:55]
restatement of the left side, and
[3:11:58]
there's no meat to how you're going
[3:12:02]
to grow students, improve academic outcome, by
[3:12:06]
what percentage, when, what are your projections, what are your goals?
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And we're looking at the
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academic performance, and we're troubled.
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And we're trying to figure out what are you going to do differently and it's just
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not here.
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So we need you to tell us what you're going to do.
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And I will add, the academic outcomes
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based on achievement, the MAP scores
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as presented for the 2025 data, they are better
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than
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Kansas City.
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But unless you have a specific goal, and we all want our children to
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achieve excellence, all children,
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so what are the goals to get to all children achieving excellence?
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And I just don't see that. And maybe it's just a factor they're there in the
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contract, but they're not being presented to us, and that's a
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factor of the presentation, that we need
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to see specifics. Were you going
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to s-
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Maybe let me reframe, if that helps.
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Mm-hmm.
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So do you have goals across the five-year renewal period for the
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percent of students scoring-
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The school does
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... proficient or higher?
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The school does.
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The school has it.
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It's in the school's specific goals, yes.
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Right. And we're approving or being asked to approve,
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in this case, and because it came to us in this form
[3:13:31]
of the agenda, that
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based on your recommendation, and your recommendation being based on
[3:13:41]
the contract that you have in place, which includes the
[3:13:46]
expectation in academic outcomes, and I'm asking
[3:13:50]
what is that expectation? Unless someone knows where they're going, they're not
[3:13:54]
going to get there. And we should
[3:13:59]
have high expectations, very high,
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so that we can achieve the best, and I just don't see what those
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expectations are.
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And
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I don't have that.
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I think it's in my folder that's sitting at my chair.
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So they have
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goals for ELA and math to move
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to
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on target by year five of their contract
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for ELA and math.
[3:14:34]
Well, and I appreciate that, and it's
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more to the department that we need to be looking at it in
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that way in our future presentations.
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And I would just say to any sponsor that this is a really
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important job that you have and that you should,
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not calling yourself out here, and you're brand new to this school as
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well, and I appreciate it, but we should have an expectation of every
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sponsor to have a specific target,
[3:15:04]
and academic outcomes is the most important thing that we can be focused
[3:15:08]
on. Obviously, there's supporting factors that we have to look at.
[3:15:11]
But there should be specific targets, and they should
[3:15:14]
be,
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we refer to them as stretch targets or SMART goals, but they need to
[3:15:22]
be significant targets that are set for
[3:15:26]
our schools across the state to be
[3:15:30]
achieving in academic outcomes.
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And as a sponsor of a school, you should know what they are for
[3:15:37]
each of your schools.
[3:15:40]
Yes. May I comment? I think you are absolutely right, and we had the start of this
[3:15:44]
conversation this past week with
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Lisa and Shanika, and I think it goes back to if the authority of this
[3:15:51]
board is to determine whether or not the
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sponsor
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met all of its responsibilities, if we don't know what the
[3:16:00]
sponsor set for that school, then we don't know if they met it or
[3:16:04]
not. If the sponsor says, "Yes, we told them they had to do this, and they
[3:16:08]
did," if it's vague, we don't have a good measure for that.
[3:16:12]
But yet if the sponsor says, "Our goal was to improve
[3:16:16]
to X number of students being proficient.
[3:16:19]
They did that, so we approved that," or, "They didn't do that, and here's
[3:16:23]
what we did." You're looking for those kinds of specifics because
[3:16:27]
that's what Shanika will be looking at when she's
[3:16:31]
evaluating whether or not they did their due diligence is whether or not they had
[3:16:34]
specific goals with specific targets, with specific dates,
[3:16:38]
and did they meet them, and what happens either way?
[3:16:41]
Is that-
[3:16:42]
Exactly. And that is when it relates to a school.
[3:16:45]
And then when we're evaluating a sponsor-
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Excellent
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... are they being effective as a sponsor?
[3:16:49]
To set a mediocre goal is not being effective, but to set a
[3:16:53]
goal of excellence is. And then what have they done to support their school
[3:16:57]
to achieve that?
[3:16:58]
Exactly. And this is not their
[3:17:01]
entire performance goal contract.
[3:17:05]
As I stated, this is just some specifics that were pulled
[3:17:09]
out. So the way that their performance goal, and this is their,
[3:17:13]
meaning Kansas City Public's performance goals are set up, it is
[3:17:17]
very much, "Here's academics, and then A,
[3:17:21]
B, C, D, E, F, G needs to be met to even meet the goal
[3:17:25]
of academics." So that's the way they set theirs up.
[3:17:28]
It doesn't look like this here, so you're right.
[3:17:32]
We're just showing you a highlighted version of that, of
[3:17:36]
what we're seeing when we see their renewals.
[3:17:40]
So, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to-
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Mr. Bradford. No problem.
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A few things.
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The information, and I don't know if this is a required template that's
[3:17:49]
used here, but it seems like
[3:17:52]
there are a few good things that are happening, but they're not highlighted.
[3:17:54]
I had to dig to find those. So I want to know how that can be
[3:17:58]
reframed and positioned so that we can be a little bit more efficient in looking at
[3:18:02]
what we're looking at, and to make a decision.
[3:18:05]
Secondly, I noticed it's
[3:18:09]
partially met from an academic perspective for the last five years or
[3:18:13]
so, and just echoing, what are we going to do to
[3:18:16]
drill down
[3:18:19]
how we get over the hump there?
[3:18:22]
So I digress, but that's just something I had in my mind.
[3:18:27]
What I would like to be explained to me, if you will,
[3:18:30]
on the financial management piece, it started out partially met.
[3:18:34]
It seemed like there was some improvement.
[3:18:36]
'23 to '24 it was met, and then it was partially met
[3:18:40]
'24, '25.
[3:18:42]
Why is that, and could you explain what
[3:18:46]
that means to the overall picture?
[3:18:48]
And so this is one of those things that we talked about the sponsor with when it
[3:18:52]
came to looking at their renewal application.
[3:18:55]
So one area of concern was the school's failure to maintain 60
[3:18:59]
days of cash on hand during the '21, '22
[3:19:03]
fiscal year, as required by the performance contract, and this was the performance
[3:19:07]
contract of their last sponsor. Since fiscal year '22,
[3:19:11]
the school has consistently met and exceeded the 60-day cash on hand
[3:19:15]
requirement, demonstrating strengthened
[3:19:19]
financial management and fiscal stability.
[3:19:22]
So they have improved. In response, the school
[3:19:26]
has partnered closely with its financial services provider
[3:19:30]
to better understand and monitor these long-term
[3:19:34]
sustainability indicators.
[3:19:38]
Enhancing financial planning, regular review of key fiscal
[3:19:42]
matrix, and ongoing collaboration with the sponsor have been
[3:19:46]
implemented to ensure the school maintains strong financial health and meets
[3:19:50]
all accountability and expectations moving forward.
[3:19:54]
So yes, we did see that. This is one of those things where I
[3:19:58]
say, "Yes, I see this. Now, sponsor, tell me what's
[3:20:01]
going on with this." So that is one of the things, and this was answered
[3:20:05]
by KCPS because, again, they had to go in and do their due
[3:20:09]
diligence when they're looking at, "Are we going to take this school on, and what
[3:20:13]
does this look like?" And they looked at the sponsor, the commission who was the
[3:20:17]
sponsor prior to, they looked at the information the commission had
[3:20:21]
and said, "Okay,
[3:20:23]
what's going on here?" And they talked to the school about it.
[3:20:26]
So these are the responses coming from KCPS
[3:20:30]
saying, "Yes, we did talk to them about that.
[3:20:32]
Here's what's going on." So yes, this is one of those
[3:20:36]
things that happens during the process of renewal when we're looking at
[3:20:40]
this and then meeting with the sponsor to go over their
[3:20:43]
recommendation.
[3:20:47]
Thank you. I appreciate the response.
[3:20:49]
Are there other questions?
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Transparency.
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Is there a motion that someone would like to make for this
[3:20:56]
project?
[3:20:59]
I move to
[3:21:01]
accept the recommendation as made.
[3:21:05]
Second.
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Okay. We have a motion and a second, and that does address
[3:21:10]
your issue that they come back and
[3:21:14]
re-present.
[3:21:15]
Mm-hmm.
[3:21:15]
Yes, it does.
[3:21:16]
Okay.
[3:21:17]
Is there any further discussion?
[3:21:21]
Hearing none, all those in favor?
[3:21:23]
Aye.
[3:21:23]
Aye.
[3:21:24]
Aye.
[3:21:24]
Any opposition?
[3:21:26]
Hearing none.
[3:21:29]
Thank you very much for your presentation.
[3:21:30]
Thank you.
[3:21:31]
Happy-
[3:21:31]
Thank you.
[3:21:32]
Thank you.
[3:21:32]
Thank you.
[3:21:38]
Who do we have-
[3:21:40]
Perry's pretty quick, I think.
[3:21:43]
The budget probably won't be.
[3:21:44]
Yeah, no. I was thinking about right bef-- Well, so after we get Perry done.
[3:21:49]
Okay.
[3:21:49]
Yeah.
[3:21:49]
It fits here.
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Hmm?
[3:21:51]
It fits here.
[3:21:51]
Okay.
[3:21:53]
So there's only one thing between us and lunch, right?
[3:21:58]
You.
[3:21:58]
Yeah.
[3:22:02]
Good morning, Perry Goerl here,
[3:22:05]
program administrator of Career and Technical Education, and interim-
[3:22:09]
... chief of Governmental Relations.
[3:22:14]
So, as you all know, the legislative session has concluded, and so I
[3:22:18]
want to just give a very brief about legislation that passed that will
[3:22:22]
impact the department, and things that will be coming across your plate.
[3:22:27]
There were a total of one, two, three, four, five...
[3:22:30]
It looks like about seven different bills have had educational
[3:22:34]
things within it, but there are three bills that you will see
[3:22:38]
here in the future as it goes through, possibly, rule-making authority, or
[3:22:42]
a new decision item when it comes to the budget.
[3:22:45]
That first bill is Senate Bill 863, and that's where it
[3:22:49]
establishes the Interscholastic Activities Association Oversight
[3:22:53]
Commission.
[3:22:55]
We will be going through the rule-making authority, possibly,
[3:22:59]
but we will be creating a system of appeals for,
[3:23:03]
as commonly known, the Missouri State High School Activities
[3:23:07]
Associations.
[3:23:09]
We will create an appeals committee for
[3:23:12]
eligibility and for other events that may
[3:23:15]
arise during the course of the year.
[3:23:18]
And so we'll be working through that.
[3:23:20]
The other one is the agriculture education program in
[3:23:24]
elementary schools, changing it from a pilot project to a statewide
[3:23:28]
program.
[3:23:29]
This will be a new decision item that you will see in the future.
[3:23:33]
It's not a high
[3:23:35]
new decision item. I think it'll have a new decision item
[3:23:39]
maybe around $250,000 total in its beginning.
[3:23:43]
But what it will do is bring in a collaborative effort of the different ag
[3:23:47]
education programs in the elementary that are being provided in the
[3:23:51]
elementary setting, and creating
[3:23:54]
resources for them,
[3:23:58]
but also an individual that will help work with these organizations to
[3:24:01]
streamline it to our school districts across the state.
[3:24:06]
And then the last bill that was passed is House Bill 2061,
[3:24:10]
which
[3:24:11]
provides protections against discrimination of anti-Semitic
[3:24:16]
activities in schools. And so, there will be a reporting
[3:24:20]
process for school districts back here to the Department of Elementary and
[3:24:24]
Secondary Education, where we will have our Title VI
[3:24:28]
compliance officer investigate those.
[3:24:30]
And then if deemed the policies are being broken or have been broken with school
[3:24:34]
districts, there is a reporting process through the Department of Justice from
[3:24:38]
there. So, those are the
[3:24:41]
highlights.
[3:24:42]
I want to talk a little bit about what's ahead
[3:24:46]
for you all to start thinking about.
[3:24:48]
We all know that come August 4th there is a primary election,
[3:24:52]
and so
[3:24:53]
all the seats in the House side are up for re-election.
[3:24:57]
And
[3:24:58]
the reason why I want to share that also is that our committee
[3:25:01]
chairmanships will be changing as well.
[3:25:05]
The current Education Committee on the House side chairman is running for the
[3:25:09]
Senate, so there will be a new House Education
[3:25:13]
Committee chairman for the FY27
[3:25:17]
legislative session, and who that will be is to be determined
[3:25:21]
yet. We do not know who that is. There's not a rumor on the
[3:25:25]
street of who that might be. And so, that will be
[3:25:29]
a change, but there also may be a new Senate
[3:25:32]
education chairman as the current education
[3:25:37]
chairman of the Senate is also running for US Congress, so there is a possibility
[3:25:41]
that there may be two new education chairmans within the House
[3:25:46]
or the House and the Senate.
[3:25:48]
The budget chair will also be new this year, and so
[3:25:52]
that position has actually been named, but it is always
[3:25:56]
contingent on being elected to the House seat.
[3:25:59]
And so time will tell on that. And so, along with this
[3:26:03]
election year, a lot of the focus is going to be in and around the August
[3:26:07]
4th, because ultimately then those conversations are going to
[3:26:11]
revolve around, no matter what happens on August the
[3:26:15]
4th, election-wise, and the different amendments, is that
[3:26:19]
the state of Missouri is approaching budget reductions.
[3:26:22]
And so when we talk about future legislation and these
[3:26:26]
chairmans and things moving out, many pieces of
[3:26:30]
legislations will not be able to have a high fiscal note,
[3:26:34]
because we're going to be talking about budget reductions in the
[3:26:38]
years to come.
[3:26:40]
If you were to ask me what's going to be things that are going to be talked about
[3:26:43]
in the future and next legislative session, I will share with you, I
[3:26:47]
believe open enrollment will come back to the forefront.
[3:26:51]
The election will be done.
[3:26:53]
The current main sponsor of the
[3:26:56]
open enrollment over the past several years is running for a Senate seat.
[3:27:00]
And so, because of that, the open enrollment just really
[3:27:04]
didn't come to the forefront. But next year, we will see open enrollment
[3:27:08]
to be a topic again.
[3:27:10]
School accountability measures.
[3:27:13]
We have the executive order that we intend to deliver
[3:27:17]
on. Those school accountability,
[3:27:20]
same school accountability measure was
[3:27:24]
legislation this past year.
[3:27:26]
The question is, will it become legislation in the future?
[3:27:29]
And I will share with you, it really will depend
[3:27:32]
upon the end product that we produce.
[3:27:36]
But I will also say that
[3:27:38]
people are all in a good spot of where we're headed with the current executive
[3:27:41]
order. And so there is a
[3:27:44]
chance that we will not see any future legislation for the school
[3:27:48]
accountability measure that we are currently working on.
[3:27:53]
But if there is school accountability, there will also be charter schools,
[3:27:57]
and those two will be tied together.
[3:28:00]
Probably the main reason that charter school expansion, let me correct, the main
[3:28:03]
reason the school accountability bill did not move forward this year is that
[3:28:08]
it got tied up in with charter school expansion, or I should
[3:28:12]
say the charter school
[3:28:16]
conversation and how it impacts the state of Missouri.
[3:28:20]
So if those two move forward, they'll probably move forward in
[3:28:23]
tandem to each other in the future, but again, there's no
[3:28:27]
crystal ball. They could break them apart.
[3:28:31]
At the end of this session,
[3:28:33]
there was a huge, I won't say huge, omnibus bill, because huge to me is
[3:28:37]
31 subjects, and this one was only 12 subjects,
[3:28:41]
so I would call it a minibus last year.
[3:28:44]
But there was conversation
[3:28:47]
in and around ESA oversight.
[3:28:50]
At the end of the session, there was conversation of bringing the empowerment
[3:28:54]
scholarship activity funds back to the department and for us to
[3:28:57]
oversight.
[3:28:59]
I look for that to be a conversation to happen again this coming
[3:29:03]
legislative session. Not that the treasurer's
[3:29:06]
department
[3:29:08]
is not being able to fulfill that, just in the
[3:29:12]
part of the accountability side. How are those students doing?
[3:29:16]
Because we currently collect all that data and so on.
[3:29:19]
So I really believe that you will see some conversations in and
[3:29:23]
around that.
[3:29:25]
I also believe you're going to see a lot of effort in and around and focused on
[3:29:28]
supporting teachers. Many of the
[3:29:31]
omnibus bills that we
[3:29:35]
had this year had different provisions in there to support teachers in the
[3:29:38]
classroom, whether it would be the beginning of the year
[3:29:41]
school training that
[3:29:45]
the teachers have to do each and every year, or whether it's
[3:29:50]
providing some liability coverage for them for different events.
[3:29:53]
I think we're going to see supportive teachers in legislation.
[3:29:58]
In doing that, you're also going to see the virtual screen time bill, I believe,
[3:30:02]
to show back up, or not show back up, to come back
[3:30:06]
again. And how much is too much
[3:30:09]
screen time for students? And so,
[3:30:13]
last session, the legislation
[3:30:16]
took, I won't say 180-degree turn, but it started at one
[3:30:20]
spot, and it really started opening the door to great
[3:30:23]
conversations around screen time and how important it is for
[3:30:27]
students to be able to interact with each other without
[3:30:31]
having too much screen time. And where that legislation
[3:30:35]
ended at, at the end of the session, I believe, was at a very
[3:30:39]
good starting point. It involved the department,
[3:30:43]
the commissioner, to creating a work group to start investigating
[3:30:47]
that.
[3:30:48]
And so, I believe that legislation
[3:30:52]
will come back in the near future.
[3:30:56]
The other thing is legislator priorities.
[3:30:58]
You all as a group have legislator priorities.
[3:31:02]
There was a legislator priority last year that wasn't
[3:31:05]
completed. It became a part of the omnibus bill, and then when
[3:31:09]
that bill didn't occur, it didn't move forward.
[3:31:13]
But we had a legislative initiative for
[3:31:17]
our CT advisory group and our current technical education advisory
[3:31:21]
group, just changing the terms on it,
[3:31:24]
and who could be on that bill.
[3:31:26]
We'll need to make sure that that legislation is filed again this coming year so we
[3:31:30]
can move forward with that
[3:31:33]
advisory group and make sure that it's meeting the needs and demands of
[3:31:37]
current technical education. And then the other board priorities as you all, as a
[3:31:41]
group, will talk about here in the future,
[3:31:44]
and providing those as a platform as well.
[3:31:48]
So,
[3:31:50]
I'd entertain any questions about
[3:31:54]
current legislation, things that
[3:31:56]
are out there.
[3:31:59]
One question I had is how many bills do you think were submitted in
[3:32:03]
last session that had education in them?
[3:32:07]
There were, I think it was 321 bills.
[3:32:12]
That's just over 10% of the total bills filed,
[3:32:16]
had education in them.
[3:32:19]
Yeah. And I mean, I just want to bring the magnitude of this.
[3:32:22]
Everybody's talking about education when-
[3:32:24]
Right
[3:32:24]
... it gets passed forward and things, and so it's a major undertaking and
[3:32:28]
very important things. It can hurt us and help us.
[3:32:31]
It's a lot to read.
[3:32:36]
Thanks, Perry. Just I
[3:32:38]
guess a general comment for the board, right?
[3:32:40]
I mean,
[3:32:41]
legislators can
[3:32:43]
introduce a bill on anything.
[3:32:47]
I think in some cases, and a couple of us have had this
[3:32:49]
conversation, part of the reason I think you're seeing a lot
[3:32:53]
of bills introduced in the legislature is because this
[3:32:57]
board and local school districts aren't addressing
[3:33:01]
issues,
[3:33:02]
I think, in some cases. The cellphone issue is something that
[3:33:06]
comes to mind, right? It's been an issue forever.
[3:33:09]
Very few local school districts did anything about it until it was required by
[3:33:13]
state law. Right?
[3:33:15]
Cellphones are an issue. Screen time, I think, is another one.
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And I know that's a discussion we've had as a board is what authority
[3:33:23]
do we have, right? And I think generally, we have broad
[3:33:26]
authority to do rulemaking on anything that is not
[3:33:31]
sort of prohibited or otherwise addressed in statute.
[3:33:35]
And so, again, just a comment. I think that the board can
[3:33:41]
do more
[3:33:43]
to address some of these issues, like screen time.
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I'm not saying screen time is the issue, but if this
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board thinks screen time
[3:33:51]
needs to be addressed, I don't know that we have to wait for the legislature to act
[3:33:55]
to do something.
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That would be the same with cell phones, and other issues that we see pop
[3:34:01]
up. So,
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my perspective on this is
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sometimes you get some good things from the legislature and sometimes you don't.
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But part of what you see, I think, is a failure of this
[3:34:14]
board to take action on things that are important and
[3:34:19]
quite frankly, school districts.
[3:34:22]
When a school district is afraid to address a cell phone
[3:34:26]
policy or come up with something,
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what else are they not addressing?
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So, I think that's why you see a lot of these bills.
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Public education is obviously a big interest, and I know we'll get
[3:34:37]
into this more in our session in July and
[3:34:41]
beyond. But I just would again say that the board
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does have
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broad authority to tackle some of these things without
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waiting for the legislature to act.
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Thank you.
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And I think that goes to the discussion that,
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Brooks, you brought up, that importance in our retreat of really
[3:35:02]
understanding
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the scope and authority of the board.
[3:35:08]
Yeah. And I don't know how you follow 300 whatever bills, so
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thank you. That's what I meant to say at the beginning.
[3:35:16]
And reading legislative text is not fun, and you
[3:35:20]
have to cross-reference sections of statute to understand exactly what it's trying
[3:35:23]
to do, and so thank you for doing all of that.
[3:35:27]
left that part out. So Perry, I do appreciate it.
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Any other questions?
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I just want to thank you as the board, as I step into my other role.
[3:35:40]
You have to talk about your why,
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and career and technical education is my why.
[3:35:47]
It's why I started, and it's where I hope to end.
[3:35:52]
So as you all sit in the seat, understand your why, because it's very,
[3:35:56]
very important.
[3:35:58]
You can't do this job without team members back here,
[3:36:03]
and Rebecca's team
[3:36:05]
in budget and planning, and Shelly Woods, and the fiscal note
[3:36:09]
side. It takes a team effort, and
[3:36:13]
Pam Victor is retired now. The amount of work and time that her and I
[3:36:17]
spent together
[3:36:18]
was just incredible.
[3:36:21]
And I know Rebecca and I went to the capital here the other day, and she thought I
[3:36:24]
was leaving,
[3:36:25]
and I gave her the news as I walked back.
[3:36:27]
"No, I'm still here." So,
[3:36:30]
it's
[3:36:32]
the role of this position and the ability to touch,
[3:36:35]
I just had no idea.
[3:36:38]
I stepped into it to be the interim, to be the transition,
[3:36:41]
and I got to have the opportunity for two and a half
[3:36:46]
years and three legislative sessions.
[3:36:49]
I wouldn't trade the
[3:36:52]
opportunity for anything. It's been one of the greatest opportunities
[3:36:56]
I've ever had
[3:36:58]
in my 34 years in education. So, thank you.
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Thank you for your service on that, Eric. We appreciate it very much.
[3:37:05]
You'll miss dealing with the lawmakers over there.
[3:37:09]
Well,
[3:37:10]
they have somehow found my private phone number.
[3:37:17]
Okay, so-
[3:37:17]
Brooks, you gave that to him, right?
[3:37:19]
Wasn't that-
[3:37:19]
Yeah, he sent it to me, and I put it on Facebook and said, "Here you go."
[3:37:24]
Anybody who wants to talk to him.
[3:37:26]
So now what we're going to do is,
[3:37:28]
if it's all right, we'll break for lunch and come back
[3:37:32]
at 12:35. Would that be okay?
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Kyle, I would imagine your report will be a while, so
[3:37:41]
yeah.
[3:37:42]
Okay, very good. So we'll adjourn for a lunch break.
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We'll call our meeting back to order at this time and move on
[4:10:08]
to the budget report. Dr. Cruz.
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Good afternoon. Kyle Cruz, deputy commissioner for financial and
[4:10:35]
administrative services. And first of all, I'd like to welcome
[4:10:39]
our two new board members.
[4:10:41]
Very nice to meet you, gentlemen. Glad you're on the board.
[4:10:45]
As we go through today's presentation, as board member
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Carrie Casey said, we do have three parts today.
[4:10:52]
We will look briefly at the current year budget,
[4:10:56]
that is the 2025, 2026 budget, which
[4:11:00]
we refer to as the FY fiscal year
[4:11:04]
'26 budget. And I'm hoping to use that to provide,
[4:11:08]
especially our new members, with some background and almost
[4:11:11]
a landscape view of the budget process and how it
[4:11:15]
works. So I'll begin by just giving you a bit about the
[4:11:18]
timeline of how a budget process works.
[4:11:22]
The budget for any given year starts generally in July,
[4:11:27]
and the department has from July until the 1st of
[4:11:31]
October to assemble the budget.
[4:11:34]
The budget has to be turned in by October 1st.
[4:11:37]
And so between July 1st and October 1st, we assemble the
[4:11:41]
budget,
[4:11:42]
we develop the core budget pieces,
[4:11:46]
which are basically based on what was in the previous
[4:11:50]
budget. They're the core parts of the funding.
[4:11:53]
And then there are portions of funding we refer to as new decision items,
[4:11:58]
and those are items where we're going to ask for additional
[4:12:01]
funding for various programs that either are calculated to
[4:12:05]
need more funding, or they could be new pieces
[4:12:09]
the legislature passed that we are now required to implement.
[4:12:13]
And we'll also work through
[4:12:16]
a budget we call a supplemental budget, and
[4:12:20]
that would be requests for additional funding for the
[4:12:24]
budget that is actually in progress at that moment.
[4:12:28]
So it's kind of a multilayered situation.
[4:12:30]
But
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that is the process. We go through, get our budget done, turned in by
[4:12:36]
October 1st. The board reviews the budget in August and September,
[4:12:40]
gives final approval in September. Get to October 1st, we turn it in.
[4:12:45]
Throughout the fall, we answer questions from legislators.
[4:12:48]
And then when the legislative session starts in January,
[4:12:52]
that is when the budget is up for consideration.
[4:12:56]
And the legislature holds hearings in both the House and in the
[4:13:00]
Senate about the budget requests.
[4:13:02]
There is a governor's recommended version.
[4:13:06]
There will be a House-recommended version.
[4:13:08]
There will be a Senate-recommended version.
[4:13:11]
Then there will be, finally, a truly agreed and finally passed
[4:13:15]
version, essentially what the legislature votes
[4:13:18]
out.
[4:13:20]
And then the governor has usually between the middle of May
[4:13:24]
and the 1st of July to take action on that budget,
[4:13:28]
veto it, sign it, do some kind of action.
[4:13:31]
And that's actually where we are right now.
[4:13:33]
So that's kind of just a bit of background, and we'll
[4:13:36]
reference that as we go through today.
[4:13:39]
But
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we're going to start by looking at
[4:13:42]
the DESE budget for fiscal year '26.
[4:13:46]
And again, that is the 2025-2026
[4:13:50]
year, which we are in right now.
[4:13:54]
This is an executive summary,
[4:13:56]
and it reflects the budget that was passed and went into
[4:14:00]
effect July 1st, 2025. It'll be in
[4:14:03]
effect until June 30th, here in a couple of weeks,
[4:14:07]
and it does include the line item vetoes
[4:14:11]
issued by Governor Kehoe, and we also give some explanation of
[4:14:15]
personnel and operating expenses. Please note, this is an overview.
[4:14:20]
The entire budget itself is a multiple-page
[4:14:24]
spreadsheet with many, many line items, and we try to
[4:14:27]
condense it for your
[4:14:30]
summary purposes.
[4:14:35]
This pie chart shows the entire budget for DESE, the summary
[4:14:39]
of the total appropriations that came through from the
[4:14:42]
legislature and then signed by the governor. This is the entire thing.
[4:14:46]
The total authorized budget for DESE for the current year is about
[4:14:49]
$8.5 billion.
[4:14:52]
Of that,
[4:14:53]
4.67 billion is from general revenues.
[4:14:58]
There's about 1.7 billion that comes from federal funds,
[4:15:02]
and about 2.1 billion comes from other funds, which would include Prop
[4:15:06]
C sales tax, lottery, gaming, a variety of other
[4:15:10]
funding streams that feed into education budget.
[4:15:15]
Please feel free to stop at any point.
[4:15:19]
We can also look at the total appropriations by category, and you'll notice the
[4:15:23]
orange
[4:15:25]
pie
[4:15:26]
slice is the biggest, and that is school funding.
[4:15:30]
It's essentially a passthrough from DESE.
[4:15:33]
We get the money in, we send it out according to the
[4:15:37]
formulas that are in play.
[4:15:40]
You'll notice that DESE operations, personnel, our expenses for the
[4:15:44]
department itself is about 2% of the total budget.
[4:15:48]
And then you can see the other areas of vocational special education, about
[4:15:52]
1.25 billion.
[4:15:54]
Leadership and academic, about 342 million.
[4:15:57]
Educator quality, 105 million. And then there's a childcare
[4:16:01]
subsidy and childhood distributions of about 691 million.
[4:16:07]
If you look at DESE specific and our operations, our personnel and
[4:16:11]
operating expenses, we have
[4:16:13]
1,818.68 full-time
[4:16:17]
positions,
[4:16:19]
and this table kind of breaks out where they all are.
[4:16:22]
I would draw attention to the fact that our largest
[4:16:25]
concentrations of personnel are in the area of
[4:16:29]
adult learning and rehabilitation, about
[4:16:32]
658 individual positions. And
[4:16:36]
then in the board-operated schools area,
[4:16:40]
632 positions. And those are the schools, the Missouri
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School for the Severely Disabled, Missouri School for the Blind, Missouri School
[4:16:47]
for the Deaf.
[4:16:49]
My part of the DESE
[4:16:51]
organization, Financial Administrator Services, 84
[4:16:55]
FTE. Learning Services has 206.31
[4:17:00]
FTE. And then there are several commissions, including Charter School
[4:17:03]
Commission.
[4:17:05]
There's a commission for
[4:17:08]
the hard of hearing and for assistive technology,
[4:17:12]
and there's 21.4 FTEs that are devoted to those commissions.
[4:17:17]
All told,
[4:17:19]
the DESE budget is about 1.92%, just under 2% of the
[4:17:23]
entire budget.
[4:17:26]
Here's another
[4:17:28]
way to display the DESE operations, and you can see again, as I mentioned,
[4:17:32]
the two largest pieces in terms of
[4:17:37]
funding expended from DESE and board-operated schools and
[4:17:41]
adult learning and rehab.
[4:17:45]
When we talk about school funding, the biggest category out of the first slide,
[4:17:50]
you'll see that we send funding to schools that
[4:17:53]
totals just under $6 billion, and that's about
[4:17:57]
70% of the total appropriation for the DESE budget.
[4:18:01]
The foundation formula is a state-written formula
[4:18:05]
that is actually in statute, and it calculates how much
[4:18:09]
money goes out to each school or local education
[4:18:13]
agency, LEA.
[4:18:15]
It's about $4.282 billion.
[4:18:19]
School transportation,
[4:18:21]
and that pays for kids getting to and from school.
[4:18:25]
It doesn't pay for field trips or baseball games, things like that.
[4:18:28]
We send out about 376 and a half million.
[4:18:32]
There is a small schools program built into the school funding
[4:18:36]
formula, where schools that are under 350 students
[4:18:40]
get additional support funding-wise.
[4:18:43]
And then there is $1.3 billion that comes
[4:18:47]
from what's called the School District Trust Fund,
[4:18:51]
and that's actually generated by a one-cent sales tax that was passed back
[4:18:54]
in 1982,
[4:18:56]
and the original purpose was to provide schools additional funding and
[4:19:00]
also help offset some property taxes.
[4:19:03]
And since that time, there are several districts that still use half that
[4:19:07]
money to offset property taxes, but a majority of schools, in the
[4:19:11]
time being,
[4:19:13]
their communities have voted to waive that
[4:19:16]
portion, and so the entire Prop C funding for that school district
[4:19:20]
goes to the school. Again, that's about 1.3 billion.
[4:19:25]
Yes, sir.
[4:19:26]
Yeah, I got a question. It's down in the foundation formula.
[4:19:30]
I see there's a sports wagering for education fund.
[4:19:34]
It's only like a million dollars. Is that just because it's new?
[4:19:38]
Or I figured-
[4:19:38]
Yeah
[4:19:38]
... it would be higher.
[4:19:38]
That's the sports betting line item that actually went into effect
[4:19:42]
in, it was December or January. And so since it's current
[4:19:46]
year budget, they put in a very low amount for sports
[4:19:50]
wagering. I will note, though, that
[4:19:54]
I'm not sure if there's any money in there yet, and part of that's because
[4:19:58]
the companies that do the sports betting can recoup
[4:20:02]
the money they've put out for the program first before any dollars
[4:20:06]
come into the treasury. So
[4:20:09]
I think in next year's budget, the amount is still under $7 million,
[4:20:14]
so it's not considered a major component supporting the
[4:20:18]
budget at this time.
[4:20:19]
Okay. But is it, in theory, it could get up to where like the
[4:20:23]
lottery funds are? Something I'm guessing. I don't know.
[4:20:26]
In theory. I think the projections I saw were it might top out at
[4:20:30]
100 million. I don't know. That's a long time back.
[4:20:34]
Got it. Yeah, no, it just seems like they, as part of the selling on it, it's like,
[4:20:38]
"Oh, it helps schools," but-
[4:20:40]
That was part of the promotion. You are correct.
[4:20:44]
Yes.
[4:20:44]
Wanted to ask about that.
[4:20:46]
Yeah. I will note, since you brought up the line items
[4:20:50]
here, if you look at the
[4:20:53]
Outstanding Schools Trust Fund, the Lottery Proceeds Fund, and...
[4:20:57]
Sorry, my mistake. The Lottery Proceeds Fund, the State School
[4:21:00]
Moneys Fund, and Classroom Trust Fund.
[4:21:04]
Lottery is self-explanatory. That's funds from lottery.
[4:21:07]
State School Moneys Fund is money that comes from cigarette taxes
[4:21:11]
and county foreign insurance tax.
[4:21:14]
And Classroom Trust Fund is gaming money.
[4:21:17]
And I think it's worthy of note that current year,
[4:21:21]
we're going to come in about $138
[4:21:24]
million under the appropriation.
[4:21:27]
You see, when DESE gets an appropriation from the
[4:21:31]
legislature in the budget,
[4:21:34]
that gives us permission to spend up to that amount or distribute up
[4:21:38]
to that amount, but then the cash actually has to materialize.
[4:21:42]
And for current year, we're going to be about $138 million
[4:21:46]
short among those three categories.
[4:21:49]
And so school districts are actually going to receive less in
[4:21:53]
foundation formula funding than the calculated
[4:21:57]
amount, which is called the state adequacy target.
[4:22:01]
So I'll probably talk more about that here in a little bit.
[4:22:04]
Thank you.
[4:22:04]
Thank you for the question.
[4:22:08]
Okay. We're going to talk about our budget in terms of four broad categories:
[4:22:13]
childcare, subsidy, and childhood distributions, educator quality, leadership,
[4:22:16]
teacher development, expanding literacy and academic support, and vocational,
[4:22:20]
special ed, health, nutrition, other services.
[4:22:23]
Please understand these are artificial categories.
[4:22:26]
We've grouped them for your convenience because they are similar in
[4:22:29]
nature. And in the budget itself,
[4:22:32]
these are each individual line items.
[4:22:34]
The budget itself is a very long document, and there are very specific
[4:22:38]
items in the budget, such as to Department of Elementary Secondary
[4:22:42]
Education, Office of Educator Quality,
[4:22:47]
$282,000 for the purposes
[4:22:50]
of registered youth apprenticeships.
[4:22:53]
That's an example of what the budget reads, and there are lines like that
[4:22:57]
from beginning to end of the budget.
[4:22:59]
We've grouped these for your convenience
[4:23:01]
So under childcare subsidy and childhood distributions, we total up
[4:23:05]
about $692 million, which is 8% of total
[4:23:09]
appropriations.
[4:23:10]
We do distribute childcare subsidy to help pay for
[4:23:14]
childcare
[4:23:16]
for low-income
[4:23:18]
pre-K kids. We do subsidy for foster kids who are in
[4:23:22]
custody of the state. There's also early childhood special education in
[4:23:26]
this portion of the budget, and we also do put out about
[4:23:29]
$88 million in First Steps. This is just
[4:23:33]
one artificial division of the budget, childcare
[4:23:37]
subsidy and childhood distributions.
[4:23:41]
Then we can look at educator quality, leadership, and teacher
[4:23:45]
development, and for these categories, it includes career ladder,
[4:23:49]
which is a program that allows teachers with at least two years'
[4:23:53]
experience to make additional dollars by doing additional work in their local
[4:23:57]
district if their district chooses to add the career ladder program,
[4:24:01]
and there is a district contribution for that.
[4:24:05]
We have the teacher baseline salary grant, which is there to support school
[4:24:08]
districts and local education agencies who
[4:24:13]
are not yet able to pay at the
[4:24:17]
statutorily prescribed salary of
[4:24:19]
$40,000. So if a school's paying at
[4:24:22]
$35,000 for their base pay, then for
[4:24:26]
teachers who are on their salary schedule below 40,
[4:24:29]
the teacher baseline salary grant is available for those schools to
[4:24:33]
apply and receive funding to support those teachers' salaries to get to the
[4:24:37]
minimum of $40,000. That's about at $33 million total.
[4:24:42]
We have a Teacher of the Year program.
[4:24:43]
We have the Missouri Leadership Development System,
[4:24:47]
MLDS, and Missouri Teacher Development System, MTDS,
[4:24:52]
which Dr. Katnik referenced earlier today when they were talking about
[4:24:55]
programs to prepare teachers and building leaders.
[4:24:59]
And altogether, this artificial
[4:25:03]
division of the budget works out to about $105 million, about
[4:25:07]
1% of the total appropriation.
[4:25:11]
C is expanding literacy and academic support, and this
[4:25:14]
includes all the federal title funds.
[4:25:17]
You may have heard of Title I, Title II, Title III.
[4:25:23]
Title I
[4:25:26]
is
[4:25:28]
largely for students who are considered low-income or
[4:25:31]
disadvantaged, and there's an allocation from the federal
[4:25:35]
government to each of our school districts, and it's calculated based
[4:25:39]
on the demographics of that area. And so,
[4:25:43]
areas with higher
[4:25:46]
percentage of students who would qualify for low income would generally
[4:25:50]
receive a larger allocation in Title I,
[4:25:54]
and those funds are used for reading and math instructional materials,
[4:25:58]
academic coaches. There's some funding for parental engagement,
[4:26:03]
other things to support those students.
[4:26:05]
Title II
[4:26:07]
is actually for effective instruction.
[4:26:09]
It can include things like professional development.
[4:26:12]
It could include
[4:26:13]
using the dollars to fund class size reduction, that is,
[4:26:17]
hire another teacher to reduce sizes in classes.
[4:26:21]
And then Title III is for English language learners, immigrant students,
[4:26:25]
and usually provides supplemental materials for English
[4:26:29]
learning and translators, translations, materials that have been translated.
[4:26:33]
And Title IV is student support and enrichment,
[4:26:37]
and usually those dollars are spent on things like technology,
[4:26:41]
perhaps some science, technology, engineering, and mathematics
[4:26:45]
programs, or even training for teachers in those areas.
[4:26:48]
So those are all federal allocations, and DESE serves as a pass-through
[4:26:52]
for those, and each district will
[4:26:55]
submit a budget to us of how they plan to spend those dollars,
[4:26:59]
and then the dollars can be accessed by the districts.
[4:27:02]
Also in this grouping, we included the Imagination Library, and
[4:27:06]
that is the Dolly Parton Imagination Library, the program that
[4:27:10]
sends free books to students from birth to age
[4:27:14]
five.
[4:27:16]
It received $6 million this year. You may have heard
[4:27:20]
that the Imagination Library had funding cut
[4:27:24]
for next year, and so this $6 million appropriation that we
[4:27:28]
have this year has been reduced to $2 million for next year.
[4:27:32]
And unfortunately, that means that we're not going to be able to accept any new
[4:27:36]
enrollments, and we'll be able to send books until
[4:27:40]
the appropriation runs out, which it will be sometime probably in the first
[4:27:44]
half of next year. And then the program, the contract expires
[4:27:48]
at the end of December. So we'll have to
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perhaps hope that
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some local agencies can pick up the Imagination Library,
[4:27:58]
where it has been a statewide effort.
[4:28:01]
Also in this group, professional development for our evidence-based literacy
[4:28:05]
program. There is the K through three reading assessment and
[4:28:09]
dyslexia screening and our work on evidence-based literacy
[4:28:13]
program, which is the letters training and getting all
[4:28:17]
districts to use the science of reading as their instructional
[4:28:20]
methodology for reading.
[4:28:22]
Any questions so far?
[4:28:26]
Then let's look at...
[4:28:28]
Okay, here's another way to look at the expanding literacy and academic support.
[4:28:32]
Again, title programs are a big portion
[4:28:36]
of this dollar total.
[4:28:42]
D, our vocational special education, health, nutrition.
[4:28:46]
We have career and tech education at about $82.7
[4:28:49]
million. Voc rehab,
[4:28:53]
$70 million and change. Special education, about $235 million.
[4:28:58]
And you can see how it breaks out in pie chart form.
[4:29:01]
You'll see special education, $235.5 million is a
[4:29:05]
pretty big chunk of this- ... division of the budget.
[4:29:09]
You can see school nutrition services, about 331 million.
[4:29:13]
We also include in this grouping sheltered workshops.
[4:29:17]
There's a category for special education excess costs,
[4:29:22]
and that is if you have a special education student in your district, your school,
[4:29:26]
that
[4:29:28]
requires
[4:29:30]
services that exceed three times what your
[4:29:34]
district has usually spent on a student, then the district
[4:29:38]
can apply for reimbursement for the amounts above that three
[4:29:42]
times amount. And then there's a variety of other smaller programs
[4:29:46]
and services that we just lumped into a category we called multiple programs
[4:29:50]
and services of 442 million and change.
[4:29:54]
And that's a brief look at the fiscal year '26 budget.
[4:29:58]
And again, that is the budget that's in play at this moment,
[4:30:02]
and
[4:30:03]
we're headed towards the end of this budget.
[4:30:05]
But I'd be glad to answer any questions if there are any.
[4:30:11]
Okay.
[4:30:12]
Joshua, could you put up... Go ahead.
[4:30:17]
Just, I guess, a general comment on
[4:30:21]
the budget.
[4:30:24]
I know a lot of it is mandated by law,
[4:30:29]
and I think the discretionary part of the budget is relatively small.
[4:30:33]
Yes.
[4:30:36]
But this fiscal year, for example,
[4:30:40]
I think the
[4:30:45]
budget that we submitted
[4:30:48]
never really had a chance to be... There wasn't enough money there,
[4:30:52]
and I think we knew that when we submitted the recommendation.
[4:30:55]
Mm-hmm.
[4:30:57]
And
[4:30:59]
so my
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comment or feedback is,
[4:31:02]
it would be nice to-- And you do a fantastic job
[4:31:07]
presenting this information in a way that we can, I don't want to say
[4:31:10]
easily understand, but it's
[4:31:13]
more understandable, I think, than it used to be,
[4:31:16]
which is great. But it would be nice to,
[4:31:20]
as we have these budget discussions,
[4:31:24]
if tough choices have to be made, right?
[4:31:27]
Yeah.
[4:31:27]
And if our state adequacy target is 130 million
[4:31:31]
or whatever it was less than we thought,
[4:31:34]
and we know that we're not going to get any additional money
[4:31:39]
in the next fiscal year,
[4:31:41]
what do we do? Do we just leave that 130 million unfunded, or do
[4:31:45]
we find places, right, where we can,
[4:31:49]
I don't want to say move money around, but request less in
[4:31:53]
some... Right? Even though everything is there for a reason, I get that,
[4:31:57]
but if we have to make those decisions, it would be
[4:32:00]
having the discussion about what changes we would make I think would be
[4:32:04]
helpful.
[4:32:05]
Sure. Let me speak to that for a moment.
[4:32:08]
First off, about the 138 million that we're short in lottery and gaming and
[4:32:12]
cigarette tax. When this budget was passed and went into
[4:32:16]
effect in the past, last year, July 1st, at that
[4:32:20]
point, we were not aware that was going to be a likely shortfall.
[4:32:24]
And
[4:32:26]
the inner workings of DESE, we pay money
[4:32:30]
to schools on a monthly basis for the foundation formula,
[4:32:35]
and we're trying to pay at the state adequacy
[4:32:38]
target, which this year is 7,145 per
[4:32:42]
ADA, okay?
[4:32:45]
But in years past, there's been situations where there ended up
[4:32:49]
being a shortfall in cash that came in, so where we wouldn't be able to
[4:32:53]
pay the total appropriation.
[4:32:55]
So the practice has been that we start paying at a lower level
[4:32:59]
and then build throughout the year.
[4:33:02]
So you get to June and you still have a relatively even payment.
[4:33:06]
Because there was a year back at the beginning of my career where there essentially
[4:33:10]
wasn't a June payment, and that's a tough spot to be in if you're a school
[4:33:13]
district.
[4:33:15]
So we actually started paying this year at $6,900
[4:33:19]
at that rate,
[4:33:21]
in July of '25.
[4:33:23]
And throughout the fall I was consulting with OA Budget and said, "Hey,
[4:33:28]
we need to move the state adequacy target payment up."
[4:33:32]
And I kept getting the response, "Well, there's not cash in those funds yet
[4:33:36]
available." And so in about January, February,
[4:33:40]
we did a deeper dive into, okay, well there's not cash there. What's going on?
[4:33:44]
And we actually worked with OA Budget to go back and look at the
[4:33:48]
last five years of the level of
[4:33:51]
appropriation versus what actually came in, and it was really
[4:33:55]
interesting. At the beginning of the five years,
[4:33:58]
the appropriation was below what was being received per
[4:34:02]
year, and it actually built a balance in the fund.
[4:34:06]
And so after a couple of years, the legislature raised the
[4:34:10]
appropriation actually above the amount that came
[4:34:13]
in on a yearly basis, and that, over a period of about three years,
[4:34:17]
used up the balance that had grown in that fund.
[4:34:21]
But then the appropriation was not right-sized to match the
[4:34:25]
amount that was actually coming in on a yearly basis.
[4:34:28]
And this year the shortfall ended up being 138 million among those three funds.
[4:34:33]
So
[4:34:34]
the good news of that story is that
[4:34:38]
we're actually going to end this year paying a little bit above
[4:34:41]
6,900, higher than what we started.
[4:34:44]
I think it's 6,958 and change is where we ended up.
[4:34:47]
We were looking to pay 7,145, so there is a shortfall.
[4:34:52]
But for fiscal year '27 budget,
[4:34:55]
since this issue had come to light, the legislators
[4:34:59]
actually made efforts to
[4:35:02]
reduce the appropriation appropriately in lottery and
[4:35:06]
cigarette and gaming tax, and then that left
[4:35:10]
a gap. And at least in the budget as submitted
[4:35:13]
to the governor, they filled that gap
[4:35:18]
Mostly, maybe entirely, with some one-time dollars.
[4:35:22]
So, that was a good thing that came out of this investigation.
[4:35:25]
But now to go to your question about we know it's going to be a tight budget
[4:35:29]
year, so what do we do? And there's a couple of
[4:35:33]
schools of thought on that.
[4:35:35]
And one school of thought is that
[4:35:40]
almost everything we send over as part of the budget is
[4:35:43]
either a calculated amount, for example, the foundation formula.
[4:35:47]
Those are very specific calculations. Here's what the formula requires.
[4:35:53]
And if you don't send that full number over,
[4:35:57]
then as a department,
[4:36:00]
have we done the appropriate work to request
[4:36:04]
support for all Missouri schools?
[4:36:06]
That's the question to think about and ponder.
[4:36:09]
And then there's the
[4:36:11]
other aspect of, okay, it's a tight budget year,
[4:36:15]
where should we offer up reductions?
[4:36:19]
And
[4:36:20]
there's also a school of thought that if you go into a year and
[4:36:24]
you offer up a, "We're going to request 10
[4:36:28]
million less in this area,"
[4:36:31]
then
[4:36:33]
is that taken as a
[4:36:36]
goodwill
[4:36:37]
gesture on the department in trying to do the right thing?
[4:36:41]
Or would that perhaps be seen as, okay, so there's 10 million that was
[4:36:45]
extra over there,
[4:36:47]
and they keep the $10 million we offered and also cut the budget
[4:36:50]
again. So it's a discussion that's probably worth having
[4:36:54]
at the
[4:36:56]
executive and board level about how we want to proceed on the budget when we
[4:37:00]
get into the fiscal year '28 budget. Did that make sense?
[4:37:03]
Yes, absolutely. Thank you.
[4:37:07]
Okay. Okay.
[4:37:09]
What's on the screen now, and I think you have copies at your desk, is
[4:37:13]
a brief executive summary
[4:37:15]
of the fiscal year '27 budget.
[4:37:18]
And this is the budget that we
[4:37:21]
developed
[4:37:23]
last year in July, August, September, that the board approved
[4:37:27]
in September. We turned it in in October,
[4:37:30]
and then it went to the legislature this past January, February, March, April,
[4:37:34]
May, and it has just emerged at the middle of May.
[4:37:38]
And this would be the budget that goes into effect for the coming school year,
[4:37:43]
the '26-27 school year, which we refer to as the fiscal year
[4:37:46]
'27.
[4:37:48]
It's still waiting on action from the governor, and that's why we haven't
[4:37:52]
developed the full presentation for you yet, is because there are a
[4:37:56]
lot of things the governor could strike in that budget,
[4:38:00]
and we don't want to put out information that's not entirely correct.
[4:38:04]
So at the recommendation of Ms. Casey and Mr.
[4:38:08]
Otto during our last finance committee meeting, we agreed to
[4:38:12]
simply bring back what we presented at the May meeting
[4:38:16]
when the budget had just been passed.
[4:38:19]
And this is a high-level look at what we consider the noteworthy
[4:38:23]
items that are in the budget that I think you need
[4:38:27]
to know about. So
[4:38:29]
the first item is the foundation formula.
[4:38:31]
Again, that is the funding we send to school districts across the
[4:38:35]
state, and it's based on the state
[4:38:39]
statute formula.
[4:38:41]
The amount of core funding, that is the amount of the base level,
[4:38:45]
the amount that was in last year,
[4:38:48]
is going to stay the same as in the current school year, fiscal year
[4:38:51]
'26.
[4:38:53]
This budget includes core funding of
[4:38:55]
$4.28273600 billion.
[4:39:00]
And I noted this earlier, the legislature did reduce the reliance
[4:39:04]
on lottery and schools money fund, and
[4:39:08]
classroom trust fund. That's the lottery and cigarette and gaming tax.
[4:39:12]
And that should alleviate the shortfall in those areas to a certain
[4:39:15]
extent. We're projecting a shortfall of $118
[4:39:19]
million in those three areas, but the
[4:39:23]
legislature did plug that gap, at least partly,
[4:39:27]
with
[4:39:28]
some one-time dollars.
[4:39:30]
That's still subject to governor action.
[4:39:32]
So the legislature did make an effort, and we'll see what
[4:39:36]
happens with the governor's work.
[4:39:39]
I mentioned earlier a new decision item.
[4:39:42]
The formula for '26-27 actually
[4:39:46]
required an extra $190.6 million in order
[4:39:50]
to be fully funded.
[4:39:52]
And since the legislature did not appropriate an
[4:39:56]
additional $190.6 million,
[4:39:59]
the state adequacy target of
[4:40:03]
7,145 is not going to be achievable.
[4:40:07]
So even though the formula calls for schools to get paid at a rate of
[4:40:10]
7,145, it's not going to happen.
[4:40:13]
At this time, our best estimate is that
[4:40:17]
given
[4:40:18]
the revenues we can expect and assuming that some
[4:40:22]
dollars stay in the budget and the governor doesn't strike them, we
[4:40:26]
believe we'll be able to pay at a rate between 6,800
[4:40:30]
and 6,900, which is pretty similar to what we have
[4:40:34]
achieved this year.
[4:40:36]
So it's not a terrible outcome. Again, we are paying
[4:40:39]
6,958 this year. If I had to hazard a guess,
[4:40:43]
I'm thinking we may come in just at or just under
[4:40:46]
6,900
[4:40:48]
for fiscal year '27, the '26-27 school year.
[4:40:51]
So we're in the ballpark.
[4:40:55]
Yes?
[4:40:56]
I got a quick question. Going back to your first bullet here-
[4:40:59]
Yes
[4:40:59]
... where you said there was a shortfall, but the
[4:41:03]
legislature kind of filled that gap.
[4:41:07]
Is somebody from DESE advocating or helping the
[4:41:10]
legislature to-
[4:41:12]
Yeah, what happened there was
[4:41:14]
in doing our due diligence, watching the budget throughout,
[4:41:19]
we're seeing what the legislature's appropriating
[4:41:22]
And then when we dug into the lottery and cigarette
[4:41:26]
and gaming tax dollars, we saw the shortfall that had
[4:41:30]
occurred in fiscal year '26, and we looked into what was likely to
[4:41:34]
happen in '27.
[4:41:36]
And every spring, we actually go out to
[4:41:40]
the conferences that are sponsored by the School
[4:41:43]
Administrators' Associations, and we give budget updates, and we try to
[4:41:47]
give them our best projections of what to expect for next year,
[4:41:51]
because school districts between March and
[4:41:55]
the end of June are building their budgets.
[4:41:58]
And so I actually went to a couple conferences
[4:42:02]
and laid out
[4:42:04]
the way things look in terms of
[4:42:07]
dollars this year, $138 million short,
[4:42:10]
and dollars for next year. And at that time, we were projecting a
[4:42:14]
$118 million shortfall, and I explained how that would be
[4:42:18]
likely to affect school finances.
[4:42:21]
And, when you put something like that out to 500 superintendents, which we had
[4:42:25]
to do. We can't let them build budgets on false information.
[4:42:30]
We can't let them think everything's A-okay, put the full number in there.
[4:42:35]
Word got back to the legislature, and then we
[4:42:38]
were in consultation then with a couple legislators who wanted to change
[4:42:41]
that. And
[4:42:44]
Senator Black was one. He's head of Appropriations in the Senate.
[4:42:48]
He was heavily involved in working out a way to help plug that gap, and I believe
[4:42:52]
they've used some dollars from,
[4:42:55]
this sounds odd, the Blind Pension Fund.
[4:42:58]
There's a Blind Pension Fund, and the only two uses for it are to support
[4:43:03]
Missourians who are blind and to support education.
[4:43:07]
So using some money in there was okay.
[4:43:09]
And they've also tapped
[4:43:12]
the Capital Commission Fund, the Building Commission Fund,
[4:43:16]
and that's basically general revenue money, so it was accessible.
[4:43:20]
And those are the two main sources they've used to help plug the gap.
[4:43:23]
So did we go advocate to fill the gap?
[4:43:27]
Not really, but we did explain what's going on.
[4:43:31]
And the legislature,
[4:43:34]
they listened and made some changes.
[4:43:36]
Yeah, no, I think that's good that they did it on their own, to be
[4:43:40]
honest. But I think that's one thing that we need to make sure
[4:43:45]
with the transition and everything going forward, that we maintain that level of
[4:43:49]
information and detail so that
[4:43:51]
people in the State House, their
[4:43:55]
constituents will know, "Hey, this is something that's really important.
[4:44:00]
Can't just cut this."
[4:44:01]
Well, and I agree, and that's a goal of mine is to make sure that you have all the
[4:44:04]
information you need to,
[4:44:07]
if the board chooses to actually advocate for funding for schools.
[4:44:11]
So we appreciate that.
[4:44:14]
Anyway, going to transportation.
[4:44:17]
In the current year budget,
[4:44:19]
there's about $377, $78 million
[4:44:23]
for transportation that's appropriated,
[4:44:26]
and it's going to be almost enough.
[4:44:28]
We're going to be able to pay out at about 94% of what we
[4:44:32]
should pay total for transportation.
[4:44:35]
But part of the current year funding
[4:44:37]
was one-time money. Actually, $15 million was marked one
[4:44:41]
time. So when we look at the fiscal year
[4:44:45]
'27 budget, you have the core,
[4:44:48]
which is money that's not marked one time, of $361
[4:44:52]
million.
[4:44:54]
But then we had to ask for an additional 15.2
[4:44:58]
million to get back to the same level that we have for current
[4:45:02]
year.
[4:45:03]
And so we did actually ask for that, and we also asked for
[4:45:07]
an additional 15 million beyond that because expenses are going up.
[4:45:11]
If you bought diesel fuel recently, you know what I'm talking about.
[4:45:15]
The legislature did not approve the additional money,
[4:45:19]
but they did put us back to, for fiscal year
[4:45:22]
'27, the same amount that we have been appropriated
[4:45:26]
for fiscal year '26.
[4:45:29]
So
[4:45:30]
next year, due to increased costs, we think we should be able to reimburse
[4:45:34]
at about 90% of what the formula calls for
[4:45:38]
schools to be reimbursed.
[4:45:41]
Childcare subsidy.
[4:45:43]
It's been a tough one.
[4:45:46]
There has been a lot of federal money that has been used in not only
[4:45:50]
current year, but past years to support childcare subsidy, and that has essentially
[4:45:54]
run out. So we did have to request
[4:45:58]
$139 million extra out of general revenue
[4:46:02]
for fiscal year '27 to make the childcare subsidy thing work.
[4:46:06]
There was a question about,
[4:46:10]
do we move to paying on enrollment
[4:46:14]
or, sorry, pay on authorization, or do we continue paying
[4:46:18]
only for students who are in attendance?
[4:46:20]
And things have kind of worked out now so that it looks like we're going to be
[4:46:23]
paying on attendance. There's a question about how many absent days
[4:46:27]
we can reimburse, and can we increase that from what's currently allowed?
[4:46:31]
Five days of absence can be reimbursed anyway.
[4:46:34]
Can we increase that?
[4:46:38]
The long story short is that the whole budget ends up being $343
[4:46:42]
million again for fiscal year '27, just as it was in
[4:46:46]
fiscal year '26. But
[4:46:49]
the usage of this program has gone up.
[4:46:52]
So we're going to have to watch carefully how the money's going out,
[4:46:56]
and we may have to take some steps to
[4:47:00]
modify the rates that are being paid to all the providers.
[4:47:05]
And the budget language also contains a clause that says
[4:47:08]
DESE is to conduct a stakeholder group to determine
[4:47:12]
how enhancements and other reimbursements can be determined in the future.
[4:47:16]
So essentially, childcare subsidy stays similar to
[4:47:20]
what it is currently, but we'll have to watch the budget because we could pretty
[4:47:23]
easily run our budget in this area.
[4:47:27]
Missouri Quality Pre-K, there's two lanes here.
[4:47:30]
You have one version of this, one lane goes to
[4:47:34]
childcare providers that are not schools, and
[4:47:38]
that grant program was reduced by $11 million, which is
[4:47:42]
essentially the amount of money that wasn't being used.
[4:47:46]
There was an appropriation higher than usage, so that was reduced by
[4:47:50]
$11 million. The other side, the pre-K
[4:47:53]
program administered by schools, local education
[4:47:57]
agencies, it was reduced by $20 million.
[4:48:00]
And there really wasn't any lapse in this area.
[4:48:02]
So, a $20 million reduction means that
[4:48:06]
schools will need to find different ways to fund
[4:48:10]
their programs in this area, or perhaps
[4:48:14]
serve fewer children, or
[4:48:18]
work up some kind of a situation where they can actually require parents
[4:48:22]
to pay, perhaps on a sliding scale, to keep their kids
[4:48:26]
in the school-sponsored pre-K.
[4:48:28]
So, that grant program did change.
[4:48:32]
Career Ladder, again, the program that supports teacher salaries,
[4:48:36]
for extra dollars for teachers. Funding's set at $52.5 million.
[4:48:40]
That should allow us to fund at the same level that we did last year.
[4:48:45]
Teacher recruitment and retention.
[4:48:47]
There's actually statute that says there should be so much
[4:48:51]
money available every year, and it gives a specific amount per
[4:48:55]
year that's supposed to be made available for teacher scholarships to get new
[4:48:58]
teachers,
[4:48:59]
and that had been underfunded. The funding actually was increased from
[4:49:03]
$800,000 to $1.6 million, which is a step in the right
[4:49:07]
direction for sure, although I think we're still behind what statute
[4:49:10]
specifies. But we will be providing more scholarships to students pursuing
[4:49:14]
degrees in education.
[4:49:18]
Dr. Katnik's programs, Missouri Leadership Development, Missouri Teacher
[4:49:22]
Development,
[4:49:24]
are still whole.
[4:49:29]
Their core funding was restored. It was out for a minute,
[4:49:33]
I think in the House version maybe, but it did come back.
[4:49:37]
There is
[4:49:38]
still funding for letters and literacy coaches.
[4:49:42]
I've already mentioned the
[4:49:45]
Imagination Library.
[4:49:47]
Okay.
[4:49:48]
Yep. Mm-hmm.
[4:49:50]
Sure, go ahead.
[4:49:51]
On the Success Ready Student Assessment-
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Yes
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... so I know the funding was removed for that.
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The small scale pilot
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took place earlier this calendar year-
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Right
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... with plans to build that out or
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expand the pilot. So what happens
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to
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that now? Does it just go away?
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My understanding is that that program would be,
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pick your term,
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put on hold, paused,
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stopped, either temporarily or perhaps permanently.
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So the timeline that we saw
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presented where it talked about, I think it was a few months ago, where it talked
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about the,
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I can't remember how many students it was, but a small sample, and then it was
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going to expand over the-
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Expand this year. Right
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... couple of years. So it's basically just on hold.
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That-
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I'd want to confirm that, but my understanding is that, yes, that program is
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essentially on hold, and we're not planning to
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proceed with a bigger pilot during current year.
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Thank you.
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Commissioner.
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Okay.
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Voc Rehab, their core funding was approved, and their request for $15 million
[4:51:05]
was also approved. Those are largely federal funds.
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And all told,
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DESE staffing had a net reduction of just
[4:51:14]
over 12 FTE. A lot of those had been vacant, or
[4:51:18]
there's one or two that we hadn't filled because the money, the program had not
[4:51:21]
taken off, hadn't been put into place.
[4:51:24]
There was a plus two
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FTE for the Missouri Charter School Commission to
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help expand charter schools.
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And again, my last note is that
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this information is prior to signature by the governor,
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so it's still subject to change. He has latitude to do some vetoes, including line
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item vetoes. We would expect the governor to sign the budget bill
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sometime before the end of this month.
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And
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as far as the exact funding projections, I mentioned paying
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schools at, we hope, $6,900 next
[4:52:00]
year. That could fluctuate depending on what we get in updated
[4:52:03]
information on student enrollment and other factors that play in.
[4:52:07]
Are there more free or reduced lunch students?
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Because that is a weight on the formula. Are there more special ed students?
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That's an extra weight in the formula.
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But that's where we're at today. And that leads me into the third part of our
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talk, and it's very short, and that is each
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year,
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the budget the governor signs
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to go into effect on July 1st becomes the starting point
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for
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building the fiscal year '28 budget.
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So '27, which the legislature just passed, and is awaiting the signature
[4:52:39]
by the governor, will be the core funding, the
[4:52:43]
baseline that we start with for fiscal year '28.
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So during July,
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Rebecca Jackson here, our chief budget officer, is going to be extremely busy, and
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I'll be working with her, and she already has meetings set up with,
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I believe, all the offices.
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Right.
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And you'll be reviewing their current budget and their budget requests for
[4:53:05]
the next year and assembling those.
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Do you want to talk about that process for a moment?
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Especially since I'm brand new to DESE,
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and my team is... I have one person that moved
[4:53:18]
from areas. She moved from procurement into budget, so she knows DESE,
[4:53:22]
but she doesn't know budget. So we're all new.
[4:53:25]
We're going to meet with all the programs and all the executive leadership,
[4:53:29]
find out about their programs, find out what their needs are, what they think that
[4:53:32]
they need as far as new decision items,
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if they think that they'll need a supplemental for '27.
[4:53:38]
And then those are the items that we'll bring forward to you all after discussion
[4:53:42]
with the commissioner and Kyle. They'll prioritize,
[4:53:46]
bring those items to you, and then you guys will decide what we want to bring
[4:53:49]
forward with the budget.
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And, uh, Carrie Casey and John Otto as Finance Committee,
[4:53:55]
uh, again, are planning to be heavily involved
[4:53:59]
in the budget process for fiscal year '28
[4:54:02]
and talk about, okay, do we actually include
[4:54:06]
all the things that are in the '27 budget as we
[4:54:10]
roll into '28? Or what's the appropriate, um, move
[4:54:14]
to modify or continue? And,
[4:54:18]
again, the budget itself,
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when you read House Bill 2,
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it's very prescriptive about what each line item does
[4:54:28]
and how much money, and the amounts of dollars
[4:54:32]
are almost exclusively from a calculated amount or from a
[4:54:36]
fiscal note, and that is when the legislature was passing a
[4:54:40]
bill, they would ask us,
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"How much is this going to cost?"
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And we would have to perform calculations about, this many
[4:54:48]
FTE and this expense, and the fiscal note
[4:54:52]
ends up being the dollar amount that's in the budget, is how it usually works.
[4:54:55]
But we will need to talk about how the board wants to proceed and the questions
[4:54:59]
that Mr. Matusik brought up in terms of, we know it's a tight budget year,
[4:55:03]
so what do we do?
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Uh, we'll need to talk about the fact that
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assuming the governor signs the bill, the current bill as is,
[4:55:13]
there's one-time money in there supporting the formula.
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I mentioned from the Blind Pension Fund and the Capital Commission Fund, that's one
[4:55:20]
time. So- There's a- I'm sorry?
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There's a bump of $190 million. Yeah.
[4:55:25]
There's also the $190 million that was not
[4:55:29]
appropriated that won't go away. It'll still be a shortfall of the
[4:55:33]
formula for next year. So between the $190 million the formula called
[4:55:37]
for for next year that we are not going to receive, and then the
[4:55:41]
$118 million that has been at least partially filled by one-time
[4:55:45]
money, there could be a substantial shortfall
[4:55:48]
between what the formula calculates and what the
[4:55:52]
core budget amount is in the
[4:55:56]
fiscal year '28, which means we would need a fairly
[4:56:00]
sizable new decision item, a request for additional
[4:56:03]
money to move towards full funding of the formula.
[4:56:07]
So those will be big decisions the board has on the horizon, and we'll certainly
[4:56:11]
try to provide you all the information you need going forward to go make good
[4:56:14]
decisions and, uh, guide the department.
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But I'd be glad to answer any questions this time.
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Mr. Matusik.
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Uh, thank you, Kyle. Uh,
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when the state adequacy
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target isn't met, right, so if it's $6,900, just simple
[4:56:34]
math, $200 less.
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You know, if you take a small rural district-
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Right
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... with 100 students, you know, that's $20,000.
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You take
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a suburban district with, say, 4,000
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students, you know, that's what 800,000 or...
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I think like Park Hill in the Kansas City area has over 10,000 students, so
[4:56:57]
that's a couple million dollars. Um, I'm less familiar with
[4:57:01]
Kansas City, how many students they have and, but
[4:57:06]
are there districts that
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can weather that better than others?
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Does it hurt rural districts more?
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Does it hurt-
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Yeah
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... or do they all feel the similar pain?
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Do you care if I go off in the weeds here a little bit to explain that question
[4:57:20]
properly?
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Yeah.
[4:57:21]
Okay.
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First off, um, the ability to weather these
[4:57:26]
situations,
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it's going to vary dramatically district to district,
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and
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there's two parts to that. Number one,
[4:57:36]
how heavily does that district depend on local funding, property
[4:57:40]
tax funding, versus how heavily does that district depend
[4:57:44]
on formula funding? We have schools we refer to
[4:57:47]
as formula-dependent schools because they get a
[4:57:51]
majority of their dollars through the state formula, and those
[4:57:54]
districts will generally take a bigger hit if the
[4:57:58]
formula's underfunded. The way the formula's set up,
[4:58:02]
it's not that we send $6,900 to every district for every
[4:58:06]
kid.
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It's set up that that's the target that we're supposed to have behind each
[4:58:11]
kid through a combination of state dollars stacked on top
[4:58:15]
of local dollars. The formula essentially calculates how
[4:58:19]
many local dollars a community should be able to
[4:58:23]
supply per kid,
[4:58:25]
and then the state makes up the difference.
[4:58:27]
So if you're from Koshkonong, you know, if you've been there,
[4:58:31]
it's Oregon, Howell R-3 down south central Missouri, there's essentially
[4:58:35]
no industry. And it's a very nice community, but it's all
[4:58:39]
agricultural land and property tax, um, revenue
[4:58:43]
is at a very much lesser
[4:58:46]
level than, say, in Ladue. And so
[4:58:50]
Oregon, Howell R-3 would be considered probably a formula-dependent
[4:58:54]
school, and it's more difficult for them because the state
[4:58:58]
money gets hit, then they take the hit.
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A district like Ladue, um, they don't receive very much state
[4:59:06]
money actually per student, and that's because their local property,
[4:59:10]
um,
[4:59:11]
revenue is significantly higher.
[4:59:15]
So their reduction in state dollars may not be
[4:59:19]
as significant as it is for other districts throughout the state.
[4:59:22]
And then there are some districts
[4:59:24]
that we refer to as hold harmless districts.
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When this formula was passed back in '04 or '05,
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um,
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you know, no legislator wants to see their school district get less,
[4:59:38]
and the formula currently in place would've given less
[4:59:42]
to some districts than the previous formula.
[4:59:46]
So the compromise was that those districts would continue
[4:59:50]
receiving what they had been receiving. They were considered hold harmless.
[4:59:54]
And when we have a shortfall in the formula
[4:59:59]
What we have to do is dial down the state adequacy target,
[5:00:03]
7,145, to the number that fits the budget, in
[5:00:07]
this case, around 6,900. And that becomes the amount
[5:00:11]
that's the target for each kid to have behind them.
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And then we start sending state formula money out.
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We're required to pay the hold harmless schools their full amount first
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because they've not been receiving additional from this formula.
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And then the shortfall
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ends up falling upon the formula-dependent schools more
[5:00:32]
heavily.
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I don't know if that answered your question or not, but the schools I was at, one
[5:00:37]
district received about $3,300 per student from the formula.
[5:00:41]
One district, a poorer district, received about $4,400 per
[5:00:45]
kid. There's one district in the St.
[5:00:47]
Louis area that receives $584 per kid, and it's all
[5:00:50]
about the combination of what their community can
[5:00:54]
provide in local property tax revenue because the
[5:00:58]
values of their property is in their tax rate, and what it takes to get
[5:01:02]
to the SAT.
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Thank you.
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Any other questions?
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Okay. We'll be working on the formula on the budget, and we will try to
[5:01:13]
keep you as well informed as we can. But I thank you for your time and attention.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Very well. So at this time, we have the commissioner search
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update with Ms. Casey.
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Thank you, President Miller. I have a brief update
[5:01:35]
today to share with the board,
[5:01:38]
that with the completion of the interim commissioner being
[5:01:42]
now on board, the state board is focused on conducting a national
[5:01:46]
search for a commissioner. And we are working with internal teams
[5:01:50]
between HR, procurement, and OA to sort through what is the
[5:01:53]
process that we're required to follow.
[5:01:56]
We're identifying potential search firms, and we'll be
[5:02:00]
doing an evaluation of those firms to determine the best.
[5:02:05]
This search process will involve ultimately working with a national
[5:02:09]
search firm, and
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we're
[5:02:15]
working on this regularly, and we'll continue to provide updates in future board
[5:02:18]
meetings.
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Okay.
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That's it. Thank you.
[5:02:21]
Any questions for Ms. Casey?
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Hearing none.
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Mr. Otto had a request.
[5:02:30]
Yeah, I just had one comment before we go into closed session.
[5:02:33]
I know that Commissioner
[5:02:36]
Westbrooks-Hodge's term ends
[5:02:39]
June 30th, and so I don't know if this is your last meeting or not, but I
[5:02:43]
wanted to recognize and thank you for your service while you're
[5:02:46]
here, just in case you weren't here at a future meeting. Thank you. Thank you.
[5:02:50]
Thanks.
[5:02:52]
Kind of a relatively awkward situation, and so please-
[5:02:57]
But I wanted to make sure that you-
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We're not trying to push you out the door
[5:03:02]
by any means. Yeah. But hopefully, we'll get that resolved
[5:03:06]
relatively soon.
[5:03:08]
But you are very much appreciated.
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Thank you.
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Certainly.
[5:03:12]
Thank you both.
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At this time, we need to move into closed session.
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All right. I move that the State Board of Education go into closed session
[5:03:21]
as posted by the executive assistant to consider the following:
[5:03:25]
legal actions, causes of action, litigation, or legal work product relating
[5:03:29]
to the State Board of Education and the Department of Elementary and Secondary
[5:03:32]
Education, as well as any confidential or privileged communications
[5:03:36]
between those entities and legal counsel.
[5:03:39]
Two, individually identifiable personnel records,
[5:03:43]
performance ratings, or records pertaining to employees or applicants for
[5:03:46]
employment. And three, criminal records imposed by law.
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Second.
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All those in favor of closed session?
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We have to do a roll call of this.
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Okay.
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Mr. Bradberry?
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Yes.
[5:04:00]
Ms. Casey?
[5:04:01]
Yes.
[5:04:01]
Mr. Matusik?
[5:04:03]
Yes.
[5:04:03]
Mr. Myers?
[5:04:04]
Yes.
[5:04:05]
Mr. Otto?
[5:04:06]
Yes.
[5:04:06]
Dr. Scholl?
[5:04:07]
Yes.
[5:04:07]
Ms. Westbrooks-Hodge?
[5:04:08]
Yes.
[5:04:09]
President Miller?
[5:04:10]
Yes.
[5:04:14]
want a quick little point of order.
[5:04:20]
So I was kind of waiting for the
[5:04:24]
opportunity to
[5:04:27]
bring this up, but in our bylaws,
[5:04:30]
and it's sort of half joking, but half serious, too.
[5:04:35]
It says, "Voting. Votes by the board are taken by voice
[5:04:39]
unless a roll call vote is required by law.
[5:04:42]
When the vote is not unanimous, a roll call vote is taken in alphabetical order.
[5:04:46]
All action items before the board must be approved." So
[5:04:49]
it's the alphabetical thing.
[5:04:51]
I think, Brooks,
[5:04:53]
you go after me, not last.
[5:04:56]
I'm just like, "You're such a geek."
[5:05:01]
But for the new board members, I will say,
[5:05:05]
when we developed these bylaws,
[5:05:09]
because we didn't have any before, I think they were-