[1:06] So

[1:07] >> second.

[1:09] >> Yes.

[1:12] Consent agenda. Consent agenda

[1:15] items are considered routine and will be

[1:17] enacted with a single motion. Any items

[1:20] requiring expenditure are supported by a

[1:22] certificate of availability of funds and

[1:24] any item requiring discussion will be

[1:26] removed from the consent agenda. All

[1:28] consent agenda items will be reflected

[1:30] in full in the minutes. Number one,

[1:32] authorizing the purchase of an upfit for

[1:34] a police vehicle through New Jersey

[1:36] State Co-op purchasing program. Number

[1:38] two, recognizing inter international

[1:41] overdose awareness day, August 31st,

[1:44] 2026. That is the purple flags that you

[1:47] notice out in front of Burough Hall this

[1:49] month. authorizing the mayor and the

[1:52] clerk to execute an indemnity and trust

[1:55] agreement between the burrow and the

[1:57] central Jersey health insurance fund.

[2:00] Number four, authorizing a shared

[2:01] service agreement with Mammoth County to

[2:03] provide community rating system CRS

[2:05] project management software. Number

[2:08] five, award a contract to MRC Recreation

[2:12] for the supply and installation of

[2:14] playground equipment at the Priscilla

[2:15] Ireland Brower Park. Number six,

[2:18] amending policy and procedure.

[2:21] I get a motion on the consent agenda

[2:23] items pass and adopt.

[2:25] >> So

[2:25] >> second,

[2:27] >> yes.

[2:32] Can I get a motion that the bill is

[2:33] totaling $262,44148

[2:37] approved for payment?

[2:38] >> So moved.

[2:40] >> Second.

[2:41] >> Yes.

[2:46] Amending

[2:48] 112.2

[2:55] facility fees

[2:57] charges.

[3:09] » Can I get a motion that the ordinance be

[3:11] opened to the public?

[3:13] >> Second.

[3:14] >> Commissioner.

[3:15] >> Yes.

[3:18] Uh ladies and gentlemen, this is a

[3:21] uh a change specifically to the policy

[3:24] that we put in place

[3:27] six years ago or so.

[3:32] » Okay. So, three years ago, we made a

[3:34] change to the ordinance that allowed for

[3:36] people to purchase a replacement for

[3:39] their badges up at the pavilion in the

[3:42] event that they lost them. Um half

[3:45] price. So if you paid $100, you would

[3:48] pay $50 for the replacement of that

[3:50] badge.

[3:53] So in the three years since we have done

[9:00] from the audience.

[9:02] All right, we get a a motion to close

[9:04] the floor.

[9:05] >> So moved.

[9:06] >> Second.

[9:09] » Yes.

[9:10] And can I get a motion the

[9:12] ordinance be passed and adopted after

[9:14] the second reading and public hearing?

[9:16] >> So moved.

[9:16] >> Second.

[9:19] >> Yes.

[9:23] All right. We're going to move on to uh

[9:24] reports. Uh Anthony, the administrator's

[9:27] report.

[9:28] >> Yes.

[9:33] Couple weeks ago.

[9:47] She specifically named six individuals

[9:52] life.

[9:57] Eliza

[10:08] very

[10:22] great [snorts]

[10:25] You always

[10:39] » Thank you. Thank you, Anthony. And and

[10:41] um we should know, I think we we said in

[10:42] the beginning of the summer, that the

[10:43] lifeguards at the beach are all EMTs and

[10:46] um so we've got a good crew down there.

[10:48] So there's always somebody on on staff

[10:50] down there that can handle emergencies

[10:52] and obviously this is an example of

[10:54] that. So that's a good that's a good

[10:56] thing.

[10:57] Um Bruce the Burough attorney's report.

[11:01] >> Thank you. Uh Julie the engineers

[11:03] report.

[11:53] Were you guys able to put the picture

[11:54] up?

[11:57] >> We can do it now.

[12:01] » Just give us a sec while I threw

[12:03] something at Nick at

[12:07] 659.

[12:09] >> [laughter]

[12:12] » All right. So, thank you. So, I I took

[12:16] this picture up in Maine when I was

[12:19] still capable of walking around before I

[12:21] fell down. And I didn't trip over that,

[12:24] by the way. But, uh, in the town that we

[12:28] spent a lot of time at up there, town's

[12:30] name is Dam Ruscata, they have these

[12:32] little symbols on the sidewalk. you have

[12:35] to walk through the center of town runs

[12:38] coastal route one. It's a very busy road

[12:41] and um

[12:44] I thought this is an excellent thing for

[12:46] us to put on our sidewalks here so

[12:50] people just don't walk across the

[12:52] street. The biggest place we have the

[12:54] problem with is on Ocean A. And I know

[12:57] we have a one of one of our Ocean A

[13:00] residents who's seen accidents in front

[13:01] of his house when the pedestrians just

[13:04] walk and they get, you know, cars get

[13:06] rear ended. So, we're going to start

[13:09] implementing this around town when we

[13:11] start doing uh striping again. Uh

[13:14] probably at right out here, Beach Road,

[13:18] uh Riverdale, maybe down by the school

[13:21] as well. And if we can talk the DOT into

[13:24] it, we're going to try to do it on Ocean

[13:27] as well. So, so maybe it'll help if it

[13:31] just brings a little bit of awareness to

[13:32] everybody crossing the street. Don't

[13:34] just walk because as time has gone on,

[13:38] they passed that law what, 10 years ago,

[13:40] stopping for pedestrians.

[13:42] You know, pedestrians have gotten used

[13:43] to just walking across the street. But

[13:45] it works up there in in Maine in

[13:48] Dammerscotta. So, just wanted to make

[13:51] everybody aware we're still always

[13:53] trying to improve our safety of our

[13:54] pedestrians around town.

[13:57] >> Thank you, Nick.

[14:00] » All right. Anything else, Joel? Okay.

[14:03] All right. The chief of police is away

[14:05] this week. He is bringing his second

[14:09] child that's going to college this year

[14:10] off to college. So, he's away for a few

[14:12] days and uh on that duty. He'll be back

[14:15] next month. Uh Joe, do you have anything

[14:18] public works tonight?

[14:31] showing you what we do every month.

[14:38] It shows we have 22 days

[14:45] working

[14:57] for the rest of

[15:06] the calculation

[15:09] doesn't show any

[15:15] » or for any

[15:18] >> June

[15:21] 213

[15:25] days

[15:29] talking.

[15:40] So, I just wanted to bring to its

[15:54] beware.

[16:02] Joe, could you could you send these uh

[16:06] >> Okay, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.

[16:08] Thank you. It

[16:09] >> it's

[16:11] no secret to anybody with eyes that

[16:14] lives in this town that the Burough

[16:16] Street Department here does herculean

[16:18] work, Joe, and has for ever. and under

[16:21] your you know your leadership they have

[16:24] done a fantastic job as well. We are not

[16:27] at all disappointed with that. However,

[16:31] it is important for people to see it

[16:34] when it looks like that broken down how

[16:37] tenuous it can be to get all these

[16:38] things done in an eight hour day. Um

[16:42] particularly in the summer when all the

[16:43] workload is probably twice as much this

[16:46] as it is in the winter time. So, um,

[16:49] yeah, we're aware and

[16:52] we're going to make sure that you're

[16:53] staffed, Joe.

[16:55] >> One thing that the the burrow fathers

[16:57] know is that garbage being picked up and

[16:59] streets being plowed are are the things

[17:01] that most people recognize. We're going

[17:03] to make sure we get that done.

[17:06] >> Yeah.

[17:07] >> Okay. So,

[17:10] we need

[17:12] Anthony. [snorts]

[17:13] >> We need to hire. I I

[17:17] >> I I know we haven't started yet.

[17:22] [snorts]

[17:22] >> Immediately.

[17:24] >> Can you I think we should

[17:27] I'm no expert on uh staffing.

[17:31] >> Exactly.

[17:32] >> Public discussion, but I think we might

[17:34] need to to talk about timing and things

[17:36] like that just

[17:38] >> you know outside of

[17:40] >> So here here's what's going to happen.

[17:43] Jody didn't, you know, he went through

[17:44] what happened in June, you know, um we

[17:47] have a couple employees that are

[17:49] thinking about retiring.

[17:51] Um when you have an employee that's out

[17:53] sick and we had a couple of them out

[17:55] today, you're left with two employees

[17:58] and then Joe's on the garbage truck at

[18:01] bulk pickup. So, the first thing I'm

[18:03] going to tell you is there's no more

[18:04] bulk pickup until we get our manpower

[18:07] straightened out. All right? So you can

[18:10] everybody has to sign up online for the

[18:12] next couple weeks just for nothing. Not

[18:15] available. Okay.

[18:17] Because that's a big problem on

[18:19] Wednesdays.

[18:21] And then

[18:24] if it takes a while to hire somebody

[18:27] like if we if Anthony put an ad in

[18:29] tomorrow and he you know it'll be at

[18:31] least 30 days before somebody starts,

[18:33] right?

[18:37] My issue is right now I have no one.

[18:42] >> I understand that.

[18:46] >> But we need to be prepared when it

[18:48] happens. And if you wait till it

[18:49] happens,

[18:52] then you might only have one employee

[18:54] working that day with Joe. Okay? You

[18:57] can't wait till it happens. You have to

[18:58] be proactive.

[19:00] >> So,

[19:01] >> as the commissioner of public works, I'm

[19:03] asking you to hire somebody.

[19:05] >> All right?

[19:06] and we will have to figure

[19:08] out a way to deal with the financial

[19:09] impact of this

[19:12] >> and figure out how we can handle it.

[19:14] >> All right. So, if I could.

[19:15] >> Yep.

[19:15] >> As the commissioner of finance, we have

[19:19] a budget that's already in place. We

[19:21] have staff that didn't announce they

[19:23] were maybe going to retire until the

[19:25] budget was done. And now we have staff

[19:28] that we're going to need for next year. And that'll be next year's

[19:32] budget. We do not have the opportunity

[19:34] until November to move budget lines

[19:37] around if we were. I understand and I

[19:40] get it. And the pro part of the problem

[19:42] is folks that are retiring,

[19:45] we know what's going to happen. They're

[19:48] going to take their days. They're not

[19:49] going to be here. It the 2.1 is going to

[19:51] go to 3.1. I understand that. If there's

[19:55] an opportunity that we need to look at

[19:57] to amend the budget if it's at all

[19:59] possible, it's going to go again to the

[20:03] problem, not the problem, but the

[20:05] situation that we implemented. So, if we

[20:08] need to do that review to post to start

[20:11] now, I don't have a problem with it, but

[20:13] we're going to have a budget situation.

[20:15] >> So, last time last time we tried to hire

[20:17] somebody, it took us like

[20:19] >> five months before we got an applicant

[20:21] that was worthy, you know.

[20:23] >> Okay. Can I make a suggestion? And I,

[20:25] you know, I I have I got a little

[20:27] experience with this being a civil

[20:29] servant and and having worked in a place

[20:30] where this happened quite frequently in

[20:32] a much larger staff, right? So,

[20:37] first of all, we as a municipality, we

[20:40] need to try to make sure we get better

[20:41] at if if our rules aren't tight enough

[20:45] about making sure we know in advance

[20:47] that our employees are choosing to

[20:49] retire, we should address that. That's

[20:52] something we can address. and it doesn't

[20:53] take, you know, six months to do. That's

[20:56] one way to help to stem this as it

[20:57] approaches. Another way is that if you

[21:01] have a situation where someone is out

[21:05] extended time, sick time,

[21:08] why would we not seek to bring in

[21:11] part-time help,

[21:13] temporary staff, at least as a bridge

[21:15] between now and getting an application

[21:18] out if we can't afford it in this year's

[21:19] budget? Let's look to do some

[21:22] >> Okay, so maybe we could look to bring

[21:24] some temporary staffing in to hold this

[21:26] over so we can get to the point where we

[21:28] can figure this out and it fits within

[21:30] the municipal budget to get it done. But

[21:33] the the situation can't be left where we

[21:36] have nobody, Dave. I agree with you. So,

[21:38] we're going to have to take action in

[21:39] some form or fashion. either we if we

[21:42] can't find anybody to replace and we

[21:44] have employees that are gone for sure,

[21:46] then we're going to need to get out

[21:47] there and find a way to like we did a

[21:49] couple years ago, it may require us to

[21:51] start looking around at the

[21:52] municipalities around us similar size.

[21:54] What are they paying? Because that's

[21:56] what's going to make the difference

[21:57] between getting somebody here and not

[22:01] as

[22:04] we are in shape,

[22:08] >> right? because we took action, right? So

[22:10] we did

[22:25] So,

[22:26] >> so let let me go back to something

[22:28] Commissioner Bull said.

[22:30] >> We knew when we were doing the budget

[22:32] this was going to happen. This was came

[22:35] to fruition

[22:38] early last spring. So, we knew before we

[22:41] were doing the budget and we didn't take

[22:42] any action on it. Okay. So, I we have a

[22:46] very tight budget this year. I

[22:47] understand that. But I have been asking

[22:50] for this for several months to happen

[22:52] and it hasn't happened.

[22:55] And we're going to get to the day where

[22:58] the garbage isn't going to get picked up

[22:59] because we won't have somebody here.

[23:03] If some if they all call out sick, we

[23:05] don't have any control over that. We

[23:07] have control over vacation days.

[23:09] >> So, two things. Um, I think we were not

[23:12] permitted to put it in the budget until

[23:13] it's announced. So that hold my second

[23:17] question is uh we can we can look to

[23:20] amend that. But an easier way to look to

[23:22] amend is to see if Katie can talk to Bud

[23:25] and we can change the amount we're using

[23:27] from uh the reserve if we can use more

[23:30] from the reserve fund and add it to the

[23:32] budget to accommodate any part-time or

[23:35] you know seasonal work that might have

[23:36] to get us through the now till the end

[23:39] of the year. Is it possible to change

[23:41] that that line item?

[23:42] >> Well, we have other we have other

[23:45] circumstances that have to be addressed

[23:47] before inve

[23:52] I I get it. So let let's I think again

[23:55] personally not personally publicly I

[23:57] think we need to take the that situation

[24:00] a little bit offline look at where we

[24:03] can adjust the budget if possible with

[24:05] within the guidelines of allowing the

[24:08] budget to be amended by BUD uh andor um

[24:12] you know KD following up on that if we

[24:14] can add to the budget it might not

[24:16] change the tax situation but we if we

[24:19] can add to the budget somehow for this

[24:20] then Let's see if we can do that.

[24:23] >> Have you had any success, Joe? And Dave

[24:26] said you were kind of looking at that

[24:27] already.

[24:29] >> So, you you do have somebody.

[24:35] » No, I mean I mean I'm talking about

[24:36] somebody that we could use as a temp.

[24:39] >> Okay.

[24:40] So, is there opportunity for

[24:42] somebody else? Could we continue to look

[24:44] because we know we know sitting here

[24:46] that we're probably talking about a

[24:47] couple places that are going to have to

[24:48] be filled at some point in the not too

[24:50] distant future. Right.

[24:51] >> Right. So maybe you can find some people

[24:54] that not only going to road test them,

[24:56] but if they're looking for for

[24:58] employment, there there may be your door

[25:01] to get them in here, get them into the

[25:02] system, work them where the way we can

[25:04] now with the money we have as a

[25:06] temporary and then as soon as the

[25:08] opportunity arises when the positions

[25:09] available, the money will be sitting

[25:11] there because it'll be in the, you know,

[25:13] >> we we used to have money for uh

[25:16] temporary summer help in

[25:18] >> think

[25:19] >> do we still have that in line item? All

[25:21] right. So, there's a way to use it

[25:23] without maybe modifying our budget

[25:25] immediately.

[25:26] >> It It'll bridge us. It bridges us

[25:27] together.

[25:29] >> That's fine. I I just We need staff so

[25:32] that uh Joe's not driving the garbage

[25:34] truck and getting out and putting the

[25:36] garbage in the back of the truck

[25:37] himself. Okay. And, you know, we have

[25:41] two or three that could possibly retire

[25:44] over the next 12 months. And that's a

[25:48] lot to hire. You know, I think you got

[25:50] to get ahead of this. You can't wait for

[25:52] it to happen. You have to get ahead.

[25:56] >> And I know they haven't given us

[25:57] official notice,

[25:59] >> but no one's given us official.

[26:13] » I get it.

[26:14] At some point, getting the job done is

[26:17] more important than budget flexibility.

[26:20] And then we deal with the consequences

[26:22] of going over the budget next year when

[26:25] Bud does his report.

[26:29] Can we please we need to table the

[26:33] discussion because I will vehemently

[26:35] disagree with Commissioner Stickle on

[26:37] financial fiduciary responsibility and

[26:40] audit and opinion and the process of a

[26:42] budget. I respectfully request this is

[26:45] taken offline. We look for the line

[26:46] items and we discuss it. But to talk

[26:49] about don't not worrying about going

[26:51] over budget and dealing with the fallout

[26:53] and the ramifications of a of a of an

[26:56] audit and a budget. Sorry, that's my

[26:59] responsibility. I will not do it.

[27:01] >> I think we have a solution. We just

[27:02] discussed I think that takes us at least

[27:04] in the short term. Right.

[27:05] >> Correct.

[27:07] Take it offline.

[27:08] >> All right. So, we'll discuss this. Maybe

[27:10] what we'll do is we'll set ourselves up

[27:11] a workshop next month and we'll see

[27:13] where we are.

[27:14] as you know a meeting then we'll do that

[27:18] but it should not be debated tonight

[27:20] here because of things

[27:24] >> just just trying to stress the

[27:25] importance from my from my point of view

[27:27] I get I understand your point of view as

[27:29] well

[27:31] can't just go do the things you just

[27:34] maybe mentioned and not worry about it's

[27:37] >> not that I wasn't going to worry about

[27:38] it I just

[27:39] >> it's my responsibility

[27:40] >> we it's all of our responsibility

[27:42] because all three of us share in the

[27:44] whole running of the town equally

[27:45] >> and and Joe, we have a way forward here,

[27:47] right? So, we can keep looking. Maybe we

[27:50] find we go for a number two, right?

[27:52] >> Okay. All right.

[28:08] No, we're still working. We're still

[28:09] waiting for Jose.

[28:21] » Thank you, Joe. We appreciate that that

[28:23] breakdown. We do.

[28:30] » We got to tie it with a bow if we can on

[28:33] this

[28:34] So, I'd like to see that.

[28:39] » All right. Nothing else, Joe.

[28:42] >> Okay.

[28:44] >> All right. Can I get a motion to open

[28:46] the floor to the public?

[28:48] >> So, moved.

[28:52] » Yes.

[28:53] All right, folks. The the floor is

[28:56] open. Uh, if you have any questions in

[28:58] re in regards to what we were just

[28:59] talking about, that's fine. We're each

[29:01] individually going to give a little

[29:02] report here as well, so you'll be able

[29:04] to ask questions as that too. But go

[29:05] ahead.

[29:25] I did have a suggestion

[29:27] that

[29:34] schools

[29:35] call us

[29:42] Jan

[29:53] school.

[30:05] That's the first question.

[30:09] I have

[30:33] as a business owner. I can get many St.

[30:40] John

[31:05] Catholic.

[31:10] February.

[32:02] Thank you very much,

[32:03] >> Anthony. Um you do have a few

[32:06] connections in maybe the vocational

[32:07] schools for not much different

[32:11] >> not much different than some of the

[32:12] trades you know.

[32:16] >> Yeah

[32:18] I mean you know this is a can become a

[32:20] career job for people.

[32:23] >> Yeah

[32:25] thank you for the suggestion.

[32:48] com.

[32:55] However,

[33:01] It is

[33:04] one of the police officers.

[33:14] » Yeah.

[33:25] So, so we have a our our traffic control

[33:29] officer, uh, Goieski, Matt Goies, last

[33:32] year. Um, he's actually very very active

[33:35] and has been a lot of the changes you've

[33:36] seen here in the last couple years on

[33:38] our roads have a lot to do with Matt.

[33:40] So, Matt went and put a report together

[33:43] and sent a letter off to the DOT in

[33:45] regards to what you're talking about

[33:47] because we've had that suggestion for

[33:48] the last five or six years here. and um

[33:51] including uh lights as you're

[33:53] discussing. Um we expected as we

[33:56] normally expect that the DOT was going

[33:58] to reject that out of hand. To our

[34:00] surprise, the DOT wrote back positively

[34:04] and is now doing a study. So, you know,

[34:08] it's the DOT. So, we're hoping that the

[34:10] study isn't going to take until all of

[34:12] us are retired and gone somewhere. But,

[34:15] it is a big problem out there. They are

[34:17] aware of it. Um and um you know, we're

[34:20] going to keep pushing it. That the cones

[34:22] you see out there and all of those

[34:24] things that started after we took off us

[34:26] took office has to do with the changes

[34:28] that we made out there to try to slow

[34:30] traffic down. But I agree with you, it

[34:33] is it's hard. We have as many officers

[34:35] as we can get here in the summertime and

[34:37] it's still not enough. So, and that's

[34:39] most of our trouble is at Route 36. So

[34:42] they're aware

[34:43] >> and there's a lot more cones out there

[34:45] this year than there were last year

[34:46] because we're continually making

[34:48] improvements trying to get cars to

[34:51] realize that people cross the street

[34:52] there

[34:53] >> y

[34:53] >> and you know they [snorts] need to slow

[34:55] down a little bit but you know we were

[34:58] able to get the DOT down to 35 in the

[35:00] summer instead of 45.

[35:02] >> I I don't think we're ever going to get

[35:04] them to 25 because the north end of

[35:06] Seabbrite is the same situation at 35.

[35:09] We do know, we were just alerted what

[35:12] about a week and a half ago, two weeks

[35:13] ago, Julie, when we don't know the

[35:15] specifics, but we do know that the DOT

[35:18] is going to be embarking on some project

[35:21] out on Ocean Avenue. We we don't know

[35:23] the specifics. We're waiting on the

[35:24] details, but it has to do the one thing

[35:27] they did tell us is something has to do

[35:29] with that intersection at Beach and uh

[35:31] >> crosswalk change.

[35:33] >> So, we don't know.

[35:35] >> We're hopeful that, you know, they'll

[35:36] come out and say, "Oh, yeah. We're going

[35:38] to take your suggestion and flashing

[35:39] lights and stuff like that, but

[35:44] >> Yeah.

[35:49] >> Thanks.

[36:29] I don't have to tell you to taxpayers.

[36:35] is

[36:56] access.

[37:40] wanted to

[37:43] do that

[37:52] That's designed to

[37:55] make historic

[38:06] impatient

[38:26] consequences.

[38:31] The bill is

[38:33] over.

[38:42] responsible

[38:53] establish

[38:56] fund.

[39:02] So

[39:07] funds for any

[39:22] Um, so we actually

[39:46] participate.

[40:12] is

[40:15] supposed to

[40:40] gone.

[40:52] environmental concerns. I have

[41:04] my hope is that

[41:08] support resolution.

[41:28] nervous

[41:30] questions.

[41:32] Answer all of them.

[41:44] I I actually have something to say to

[41:46] you because I have looked into this

[41:47] since the last time that you were here,

[41:49] right? And and I'm interested in this

[41:50] stuff as well. Um I don't call myself an

[41:53] environmentalist, but I live at the

[41:55] beach just like you and been here

[41:56] forever. And I I can see it with my own

[41:59] eyes. Anybody that lives here, we all

[42:01] know that things aren't the same, right?

[42:03] It is definitely different. So,

[42:06] taking what you said previously, I

[42:08] looked into this. I I was under the

[42:11] impression that this um act, this

[42:14] environmental super fund act was a

[42:18] nationwide push to do something so that

[42:20] all of the states involved would step

[42:23] up. everybody would step forward and

[42:24] we'd find a way forward maybe to take

[42:26] some of the money that the fossil fuel

[42:29] companies are are currently charging us

[42:31] in a way maybe use some of that money to

[42:34] go back into the system and clean it up

[42:35] a little bit. Um I'm all for beginning

[42:37] to do something like that. But that's

[42:39] not what this is. What this is is the

[42:41] state of New Jersey trying to do this on

[42:43] its own. Um which is valiant. I get it.

[42:48] But it doesn't match. The numbers don't

[42:49] match. Right. So in New Jersey, um,

[42:52] we're somewhere in the one and a half to

[42:54] 1.7%

[42:56] right of what we actually contribute to

[43:00] climate, you know, the the climate uh

[43:04] emissions, right?

[43:07] I'm not telling you that's not going to

[43:08] help, but for the amount of money that

[43:11] it's going to cost the businesses that

[43:15] there's not many of them in New Jersey.

[43:16] Um, there are, I don't know, a handful

[43:20] of refineries up and down the East

[43:22] Coast. New Jerseyy's got a couple of

[43:23] them.

[43:25] It brings in [snorts] hundreds of

[43:26] millions of tax dollars to the state

[43:28] every year. 40,000 jobsish that all are

[43:32] centered here in New Jersey. And and I

[43:35] don't know what I don't know,

[43:38] but if I'm a refinery and one state acts

[43:41] like this and it's costing me an immense

[43:44] amount of money to continue to work

[43:46] there, why not just move my operations

[43:49] somewhere else because there's nobody

[43:51] else doing it. That's the only way this

[43:53] works in my view. And I'm not saying

[43:55] that I wouldn't support something like

[43:56] this if that was more of the tact that

[43:59] was being taken, if it was a nationwide

[44:00] effort because I think that I would. But

[44:02] I think New Jersey would be taking a big

[44:05] risk for all of us for the costs that

[44:08] would be passed on to us. And um I for

[44:11] that reason I I can't support this

[44:13] particular effort. I I do support it as

[44:17] a grand scale for sure. But locally in

[44:19] New Jersey I I think this needs to go to

[44:22] the congressman.

[44:23] Bring it to Frank Palone. All right.

[44:25] Bring it to bring it to them to bring

[44:27] this to Congress because that's where

[44:29] the success is going to be had. Not in

[44:31] New Jersey.

[44:54] So I just wanted

[45:12] is

[45:17] not

[45:35] business.

[45:40] I'm not saying

[45:55] » right.

[46:07] So, um, as you and I talked about, um,

[46:11] Monday night in the environmental

[46:12] commission meeting, um, I still have to

[46:15] see

[46:17] exactly how they're going to take out

[46:19] money from past profits

[46:22] so it doesn't affect the current bottom

[46:24] line because I don't know any businesses

[46:26] that just have past profits sitting in a

[46:28] uh, CD account, say, you know, earning interest because

[46:33] >> because if they are, we need to figure

[46:35] that out. Commissioner Bolsh on our

[46:36] budget how we can do that. All right. Um

[46:39] >> yeah and and

[46:43] so

[46:45] couple a couple other questions though

[46:46] Jackie. Um

[46:50] » are any other states doing it? Because

[46:52] when I researched it I think there's

[46:53] only one or two other states that have

[46:54] done it.

[46:55] >> York.

[46:56] >> New York and Vermont. Okay.

[47:06] So, so they're giving they're

[47:08] giving the companies that are in New

[47:09] York plenty of time to leave

[47:13] >> before they get before they have to pay

[47:14] that unless they're going to go after

[47:16] them after they leave the state.

[47:18] >> So, that's why I say I'd need to read

[47:38] I I have no doubt about that and I agree

[47:39] with you on that. However, when you look

[47:41] at other countries like India, China,

[47:44] all the third world countries,

[47:47] they don't even have to abide by any of

[47:49] the Paris climate change accords which

[47:53] all right. So we do something and then

[47:54] all the pollution from China blows

[47:56] across the Pacific Ocean to us in India,

[47:58] right? So you know

[48:04] » I understand how a little bit how the

[48:06] earth works and all the ocean currents

[48:08] are all connected at some point in

[48:11] somewhere right and all the wind

[48:14] directions go all the way around the

[48:16] earth. So,

[48:17] >> it's a bigger problem, which is why I

[48:19] agree with Mayor Summers about this

[48:22] should be done on a national level, not

[48:25] a statewide level, you know, and

[48:28] >> that's where the impact is going to be.

[48:29] >> Yeah,

[48:31] you're right. But at a national level,

[48:35] >> yeah, I I I'd agree with you. I'm not

[48:37] saying it shouldn't be done. And

[48:40] >> if the bill does pass, absolutely, we

[48:42] would try to get our fair share of of

[48:44] the money out of it to what to do what

[48:46] we could. Maybe uh Mayor Summer's idea

[48:49] of a little a little burm around

[48:51] Manahassid

[48:53] uh Creek, maybe we could get money to do

[48:55] that, which we've never been able to do.

[48:56] You know, something like that that would

[48:58] be almost a shovel ready project that we

[49:00] have.

[49:01] >> Um did Mammoth County endorse this? The

[49:04] county

[49:05] >> at the county level?

[49:06] >> Yes.

[49:17] Joyce right there.

[49:19] [laughter]

[49:33] I know you as well.

[50:02] So

[50:04] again,

[50:12] it seems it seems fair. There's

[50:20] our perspective.

[50:25] So, have any other countries tried to do

[50:28] this yet?

[50:45] » I app again I appreciate you're coming

[50:47] here and please feel welcome to come.

[50:49] you know, we we would love to hear from

[50:51] you on environmental issues. All of us

[50:53] here are are conscious of that. Um,

[50:57] however, in this one particular case, at

[50:59] the moment, I'm not on board. It doesn't

[51:02] mean I wouldn't be on board if I saw

[51:03] this more grand because I think that's

[51:05] where the impact will be. But

[51:07] individually,

[51:09] um, I I think it in in to Dave Dave's

[51:12] point, he alluded to it a little bit. I

[51:14] think this could have more of more of an

[51:16] impact on our on our pocketbooks in the

[51:19] state, an un unintended consequence

[51:22] because of it. And and I'd be afraid of

[51:24] that with the situation we're in right

[51:26] now. Everybody's I mean, it's $4 a

[51:28] gallon for gasoline. Who who thought it

[51:30] was going to be that last year, right?

[51:31] So, that's where we are. I'd be afraid

[51:33] to add anything else to that. I mean our

[51:35] Joe's fuel our budget's getting hit by

[51:38] the left and the right between health

[51:40] care fuel costs. This is just adding

[51:43] just like it does at the house. Right.

[51:44] So we have to be conscious of that not

[51:46] to put ourselves in that position if we

[51:49] can. Right.

[52:01] So, so if you get updates, if you want

[52:05] to send them to us,

[52:06] >> Yeah.

[52:06] >> or come back in another meeting and say

[52:08] it got it passed the House, it's in the

[52:11] Senate. You know, please keep us updated

[52:13] as to what's going on with it. If you

[52:15] get more information, you know, on

[52:17] exactly how the fines are going to be

[52:20] handed out out of past profits, I'm sure

[52:22] Commissioner Bolsh, who's a CPA, would

[52:25] like to read that and be interested in

[52:27] that, you know. So please,

[52:33] » we've already we've already been given a

[52:36] copy of the bill and like I mean

[52:40] not the easiest thing to read. So

[52:42] [laughter]

[52:43] >> they never are.

[52:47] >> Yeah.

[52:48] As as everybody knows, my 16

[52:51] credits of business law college don't

[52:52] qualify me to read that. I got here.

[52:55] How's that?

[52:58] >> [laughter]

[53:01] » No worries. Thank you again.

[53:02] >> Thanks, Jack.

[53:04] >> All right. Do we have anybody else from

[53:06] the public?

[53:09] >> All right. Um, Larry, Commissioner Bol,

[53:11] do you have anything for us this month?

[53:12] >> Uh, nothing from finance.

[53:14] >> Okay. Anything?

[53:15] >> I don't have anything else. We already

[53:17] went over my little yellow circles.

[53:19] >> Okay. I have nothing else this month as

[53:21] well. So, with that, I'll ask for a

[53:23] motion to close the floor to the public.

[53:25] I'll make a motion to close the floor to

[53:27] the public and close the meeting.

[53:29] >> I I Yes, Larry. Second that.

[53:33] [snorts]

[53:35] >> Yes.

[53:36] Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

[53:37] We'll see you all in September.

Monmouth Beach Board of Commissioners Meeting 8/26/26

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