[0:31] Good evening and welcome to the city of

[0:33] McGomery City Council and Planning and

[0:35] Zoning Commission special meeting for

[0:38] August 18th uh 2026. It is exactly 6 PM

[0:41] and I'd like to call this meeting to

[0:43] order. Uh before we get started, if you

[0:45] please check your phones to make sure

[0:46] that they are off so that we can conduct

[0:47] business and not be interrupted. that

[0:49] would be most appreciated. Uh we will

[0:52] begin with we have um everyone is here

[0:54] but Miss Langley and uh we will begin

[0:57] with the invocation given by Mr. Stan

[0:59] Donaldson and then the pledge of

[1:00] allegiance. Would you please rise?

[1:05] » Father, we thank you for this day. We

[1:08] thank you Lord that our hearts and minds

[1:10] are receptive father to the

[1:12] presentation. I thank you father we use

[1:14] wisdom and guidance in all of our

[1:16] business affairs. and thank you for

[1:18] blessing the city of Montgomery and uh

[1:21] and the people in it in Jesus's name.

[1:24] Amen.

[1:24] >> Amen.

[1:25] >> Pledge allegiance to the United States

[1:27] flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of

[1:30] the United States of America and to the

[1:33] republic for which it stands, one nation

[1:36] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:39] justice for all.

[1:40] >> Now the Texas flag.

[1:42] >> Honor the Texas flag. I pledge

[1:44] allegiance to thee, Texas, one state

[1:47] under God, one and indivisible.

[1:52] >> All right. I did receive one request

[1:54] under the citizens comments. So with

[1:58] that, Mr. Rocky Butler, would you please

[2:00] come to the podium?

[2:02] >> Yes, ma'am.

[2:03] >> He is here to speak on the item of a

[2:04] thank you.

[2:06] >> Okay. Um uh my name Rocky Butler. Um I

[2:10] am an office based office FM1097. I live

[2:13] in Minnesota by way right there in

[2:15] Whiteall area actually. Um but I just

[2:18] wanted to kind of say a few things.

[2:19] First of all, good evening to you all,

[2:22] mayor, city council and planning

[2:25] committee as well as the MEEDC who

[2:28] whatever members are here. I don't know

[2:30] what you're here at this time, but I

[2:32] just wanted to take a few minutes to

[2:33] personally thank you um for giving me

[2:36] the opportunity and placing your trust

[2:38] in me to represent the city, the city of

[2:41] McGomery. For those of you who don't

[2:42] know who I am, again, as Nate mentioned,

[2:44] my name, Rocky Butler. I'm with uh

[2:47] Butler Real Estate Group and I work

[2:49] under the commercial vision division of

[2:51] Berkshire Hathaway. And I had the

[2:53] privilege to list and sell 213 Prairie.

[2:57] You're all familiar with that property

[2:58] with the city own. Um, I wanted to come

[3:01] before you tonight not only to say thank

[3:02] you, but to also share a few of the

[3:05] analytics of the listing and give you an

[3:07] idea of the exposure generated

[3:09] throughout the listing period that that

[3:11] I had. The properties promoted more than

[3:13] 50,000 times. It generated over 1,400

[3:17] detailed views. That means those people

[3:20] spent some time looking through the

[3:21] metrics of the marketing materials that

[3:23] we sent them. And then that exposure

[3:25] resulted into multiple calls that we

[3:27] serviced as well as over 30 private

[3:30] showings of that property.

[3:33] As many as you may know in commercial

[3:34] real estate, getting the property from

[3:37] listing all the way to closing requires

[3:40] cooperation from a lot of people. And

[3:42] throughout that entire process,

[3:45] uh, the city administration, the MEDC

[3:48] were extremely responsive and

[3:50] professional.

[3:51] Whenever we needed information,

[3:53] documents, signatures, any type of

[3:56] property maintenance or decisions,

[3:58] everyone involved made it a priority to

[4:01] get these things handled quickly and

[4:02] efficiently for us. I especially want to

[4:05] recognize Brent Walker. Uh Brent was

[4:09] pivotal throughout the process and was

[4:12] always available when something was

[4:14] needed to be addressed.

[4:16] And I want to thank you Brent. Thank you

[4:18] personally very much for being so

[4:19] helpful to us. Uh I also want to thank

[4:21] the city and everyone in behind the

[4:24] scenes that assisted along the way. A

[4:27] successful closing is truly a team

[4:29] effort and I sincerely appreciate the

[4:31] cooperation, professionalism I received

[4:34] from beginning to end. And then finally,

[4:37] and most importantly,

[4:39] I want to apprec I appreciate the

[4:41] confidence you placed in me to represent

[4:43] the city of McGomery and its people

[4:46] this this town. I never take that

[4:49] responsibility lightly.

[4:52] It was a true privilege to work on your

[4:54] behalf and help bring this property to a

[4:57] successful close. It was an honor. Thank

[5:00] you. [clears throat]

[5:01] >> Thank you.

[5:04] >> All right. Next item on your agenda is

[5:05] presentation number five. Presentation

[5:07] and discussion by Brett Kee appended

[5:10] East Collaborative regarding the

[5:12] proposed unified development ordinance

[5:14] UDO.

[5:18] » There's presentation on

[5:20] >> I'll I'll give you a little a little

[5:22] intro where we are and what we're doing

[5:25] here today. I wanted to

[5:36] You can do it. I mean, can you see right

[5:38] there?

[5:38] >> Yeah, I sure can.

[5:41] >> Sorry.

[5:42] >> All right, no problem. I I wanted to

[5:45] touch base with you and tell you what brought us here and why we kind of

[5:48] scheduled this. We've been working on

[5:51] this for quite a while and I know you

[5:52] guys have heard inputs from us and the

[5:55] staff and everybody else and and

[5:59] Zach, the attorney, everybody's been

[6:02] reading this. We've been working with

[6:03] him. It's taken quite a bit to get where

[6:06] we are. This is your opportunity to

[6:08] listen to what's been going on to ask

[6:11] the questions because we're getting very

[6:13] close to being able to close this out

[6:15] and adopt this in in the month of

[6:18] September. Um, so this is the

[6:22] opportunity to ask questions. If you

[6:23] hear something you don't understand,

[6:25] this is the best time to do it. Uh, we

[6:27] want the feedback. We want to hear from

[6:29] you. If you hear something that you you

[6:31] want to learn more about, the attorneys,

[6:34] Zach or Brett can answer those questions

[6:37] or myself, any of us. Tilly, she has

[6:41] lots of answers.

[6:45] So that's it. Go ahead.

[6:48] Well, good evening. I'm Brett Kee, CEO

[6:51] of Ky Keys Collaborative. Address is 77

[6:54] Sugar Creek Center Boulevard, uh, Sweet

[6:58] 600 at Sugarland.

[7:00] Um, pleased to be with you tonight. As

[7:02] Brent indicated, um, this has been a

[7:04] long process for a variety of reasons,

[7:06] but we're to the point where we're very, close. Um, so I wanted to give you

[7:11] an update on on where we are. Next

[7:13] slide, please. Um so this shows you the

[7:16] organization of the unified development

[7:18] ordinance or UDO. Um we delivered um

[7:22] really four different modules because we

[7:24] broke the first one into modules one and

[7:26] 1.5. Um so that's where we have all the zoning districts and all the

[7:32] setbacks and heights and other types of

[7:34] standards. Um the permitted and

[7:36] conditional land uses, site development

[7:39] and design. I'm going to talk to you a

[7:40] little bit more about that tonight.

[7:42] flood plane and floodway development

[7:44] didn't change. We simply brought that

[7:46] from your current ordinance into the new

[7:48] format and then measurements and word

[7:50] usage. Module two, you can see what was

[7:53] included there. We've been going back

[7:55] and forth with staff of recent on the

[7:58] tree preservation standards. uh Brent

[8:00] and and staff has been very good about

[8:03] reading it um from their perspective,

[8:06] making sure that it's something they can

[8:07] understand and administer and trying to

[8:09] keep it simple and straightforward but

[8:11] yet achieve the outcomes that we're intending to get. And then module

[8:16] three is basically all the all the

[8:18] procedures,

[8:21] please. Um so these are all the the

[8:23] deliverables that we've um sent to the

[8:26] city over time. Most recently, last

[8:29] week, we just uh worked through the

[8:31] thrower plan, which is basically, you

[8:34] know, text dot to the county shows kind

[8:37] of your your larger streets, but they do

[8:40] not get down into the the collector

[8:42] roadways and some of the um connections

[8:45] within and between some of your

[8:46] neighborhoods and how the whole city is

[8:48] going to tie together. This is

[8:50] critically important. Um, in the past

[8:52] when we haven't had this, as you know,

[8:54] we have lots of neighborhoods with dead

[8:56] ends and circuitous streets and it makes

[8:58] it very difficult to move through and

[9:00] across the city. And so we want to be

[9:02] able to make sure that people are able

[9:03] to move freely without having to get

[9:06] back out on, you know, 105 to go down to

[9:10] two places uh when they can just go

[9:13] across access and make sure that there's

[9:15] adequate collector roadways which all

[9:17] your residential streets feed to and

[9:18] that feeds out to your major arterial

[9:21] roadways. So that'll be delivered um the

[9:23] [clears throat] revised draft will be

[9:25] delivered tomorrow and then everything

[9:26] else is all the the UDO pieces.

[9:30] Next, please. Um, so the UDEO implements

[9:36] the comprehensive plan. So, you have a a

[9:38] comprehensive plan. We made sure that we

[9:40] were making reference to that and we

[9:43] were following the policies and the

[9:45] initiatives and the objectives that were

[9:47] spelled out in that plan. Should you

[9:49] ever be challenged on a zoning case, you

[9:52] always want to be able to look back to

[9:53] the comprehensive plan and point your

[9:54] finger and say, "This is the adopted

[9:56] plan that we relied upon." So from from

[9:59] the land use the land use plan um the

[10:02] zoning districts match the land use plan

[10:05] the the districts there and you can see

[10:07] some of the objectives that were

[10:09] identified in the plan and the response

[10:12] to some of the different um sections of

[10:15] the of the UDO that are included. Next

[10:17] slide please.

[10:20] So for downtown obviously revitalize and

[10:22] create infill for streetscapes all those

[10:25] things are addressed within the code. um

[10:28] in the housing, expanding housing

[10:29] options, allowing mixeduse housing and

[10:32] support housing amenities. So, we've got

[10:35] districts that provide for a variety of housing types, not obviously just

[10:40] your single family or large lot, but we

[10:42] do have um the plan development district

[10:44] and R2 district to some extent. Um and

[10:47] then particularly having transition

[10:49] standards. So, if you live in a home now

[10:51] and you have a field behind you, you

[10:53] want to make sure that whatever might

[10:55] come in your backyard is going to be

[10:58] compatible or going to have a good

[11:00] transition. Um, so that could not only

[11:02] be lot size, but it would all be um

[11:05] landscaping, screening, fencing,

[11:07] whatever that might be.

[11:09] >> Next slide.

[11:10] um two other categories, mobility,

[11:12] connectivity, um walkability, sidewalks,

[11:16] biking, improved connectivity, all those

[11:18] things are addressed. And then same way

[11:20] with open space and landscaping and I'll

[11:22] be talking to you a little bit more

[11:23] about that later in the presentation

[11:25] here.

[11:27] Next slide.

[11:29] As I mentioned, compatibility. Um, you

[11:32] know, every community and every

[11:34] development ordinance wants to achieve

[11:35] compatibility between different types

[11:38] and scales of development and making

[11:41] sure we're protecting uh neighborhoods

[11:43] and personal investments. So, the UDO

[11:47] has spent a lot of time on design

[11:48] standards and buffering, landscaping,

[11:50] and other things to make sure that we're

[11:52] providing for that. And then the plan

[11:55] becomes action through the UDO. So

[11:58] basically for every element of the comp

[11:59] plan there's a response within the UDL.

[12:04] So since we last met with you um there's

[12:08] a few changes and these um many of them

[12:11] came from staff review

[12:14] uh Zach's review, attorney review, etc.

[12:17] So um

[12:21] see if we get to the right spot.

[12:22] function.

[12:25] » So, um your

[12:29] um the proposed districts are on the

[12:31] left hand column.

[12:33] Um the the corresponding districts on

[12:36] the right. So, your R1 is still R1, your

[12:39] R2 is still R2. Um we have a new

[12:43] downtown district. As you know, downtown

[12:45] has always been zoned the same thing as

[12:46] every other commercial district, even

[12:48] though it's entirely unique. So, we

[12:51] wanted to make sure have standards that

[12:53] mimic the rest of downtown and what

[12:55] exists there today. And then your your

[12:58] commercial, institutional, and

[13:00] industrial districts are all the same.

[13:02] And your plan development district, if

[13:04] you recall, it had expired. And so we

[13:07] have new standards in there for ED plan

[13:10] development.

[13:14] Um so originally when we drafted it um

[13:18] we had some kind of different

[13:20] development options where people can

[13:21] have smaller lots with increased open

[13:23] spaces and things of that nature.

[13:25] Basically provided for development

[13:26] clustering. We simplified that. Um so we

[13:30] removed that requirement. We still

[13:32] provide for open space. Your

[13:34] compensating open space provision is is

[13:36] still in there. We're just doing it in a

[13:38] different way. Um and then um we've

[13:42] added variations for lot size and rear

[13:45] setbacks. So for instance, there's a new

[13:47] subdivision coming in that's R1 has

[13:49] 9,000 foot lots and they are beside or

[13:51] back up to a 1 acre or larger lot. Um it

[13:55] requires that those lots be 70% the size

[13:57] of the 1acre lot. So just those that

[14:00] basically [snorts] share a property

[14:01] line. Everything else can can be you

[14:04] know single family. But again, you know,

[14:07] you probably heard it before, everybody,

[14:09] you know, is concerned about the value

[14:11] of properties and the impact on their

[14:13] property. So that's part of the reason

[14:14] why why we do that. And all the um

[14:19] regulations are in tables that spell out

[14:21] lot areas and widths and depths and all

[14:23] the setbacks. And then we have graphics

[14:25] in there that help illustrate and show

[14:27] how we apply

[14:29] property.

[14:31] Next slide. As I mentioned, we have

[14:34] transitioned um between your different

[14:37] districts. So, whenever there's a

[14:39] difference in building scale or height

[14:41] or the massing of a of a building or

[14:44] just the intensity of the land use,

[14:46] we've built in um transition standards.

[14:50] And the purpose is really to reduce the

[14:54] uh impacts on privacy, on shadowing in

[14:57] certain in instances as well as on the

[14:59] visual character and value. And so an

[15:03] example is um a maximum twostory

[15:07] apartment um has to be at least 50 feet

[15:10] away from an R1. There's requirements

[15:13] for building separation heights and

[15:15] buffer yards. The buffer yards are based

[15:17] upon the housing type. So basically the

[15:21] bigger the difference between the

[15:22] intensity of uses, the larger the buffer

[15:24] yard, more landscaping that's required.

[15:28] um when [clears throat] there's a a

[15:30] non-residential use next to like a

[15:33] commercial use whatever that might be

[15:35] office um retail has to be 100 foot away

[15:38] from R1 and 50 foot away from R2. Um and

[15:43] then there are also building design

[15:44] standards. So if the district provides

[15:47] for say a three-story building, it has

[15:49] to step down to two stories, you know,

[15:51] so it's more in line with with a twotory

[15:54] single family home. So the image there

[15:57] you see on the right of apartments and

[16:00] then you have single family and again

[16:02] depending upon the height and the the

[16:04] intensity of that use the buffer yard

[16:06] will shift and the mixture of of trees

[16:08] and shrubs and in some cases required

[16:11] fencing is is in there

[16:17] tree preservation standards um you know

[16:21] you have the benefit of being in an area

[16:23] where you have a lot of mature

[16:25] vegetation

[16:26] that contributes to the aesthetic of the

[16:28] community and the character of the

[16:29] community. So, we want to make sure

[16:31] that, you know, we're not being too

[16:34] difficult for development, but at the

[16:36] same time, um, if they're able to

[16:38] preserve trees to the maximum extent

[16:41] practicable, we want to do that. We've

[16:44] simplified the standards to ease the

[16:46] administration. So, there's not, you

[16:49] know, any massive tree surveys or

[16:52] anything like that that are required.

[16:54] But if there are trees um you know along

[16:57] roadways that exist now we want to

[16:59] preserve those. We have like a 30 foot

[17:02] preservation width. Um so you see the

[17:04] difference between the top photo and the

[17:06] bottom photo where we can preserve trees

[17:09] along our along our streets. And then we

[17:11] have landscaping requirements on the

[17:13] individual individual sites themselves.

[17:16] But if there is open space that's

[17:18] provided and they're able to preserve

[17:20] the trees, we expect them to do that.

[17:26] Um there is a new open space

[17:29] requirement. It's actually in the

[17:30] subdivision standards. Um basically it

[17:33] requires a minimum of 10% of the total

[17:36] land area. In a plan development it

[17:39] requires 20%. Because you have mixtures

[17:42] of housing types and just more

[17:44] intensity. And so you usually want like

[17:46] a common green or open open space or

[17:50] even you know small parks throughout

[17:51] that. Um and then it provides for no

[17:55] more than 50% of that can be within the

[17:58] flood plane. No more than 30% of that

[18:00] can be um for storm water requirements,

[18:03] but those storm water requirements have

[18:04] to be menitized. So it can't be a ditch

[18:07] with weeds in the bottom of it. Count

[18:09] that towards the open space. If they

[18:10] have a retention and they have fountains

[18:12] and they have trail around it, things

[18:14] like that, then it can be counted

[18:16] towards the open space. Otherwise, if

[18:19] it's, you know, something that's

[18:21] unsightly or not not going to be

[18:23] maintained, it will not count. Um, and

[18:27] the open space must be equal to the

[18:29] amount required for the current current

[18:32] phase. Basically, each phase of

[18:33] development will have to provide their

[18:34] open space. Um, so that they can say,

[18:37] well, we'll do that later on, but I can

[18:39] put in,

[18:41] you know, the first phase and then they

[18:43] sell to somebody else and now you're you

[18:46] flossed out. We need to make sure that

[18:47] each phase of development meets their

[18:49] own requirements and you've always had

[18:51] compensating open space provision. So we

[18:53] have carried that through. So you're

[18:55] used to administering that.

[18:59] Um the procedures uh we did a

[19:02] significant overhaul on that. Um we

[19:05] dramatically simplified and streamlined

[19:08] them. We consolidated a lot of the

[19:10] processes where they were similar

[19:13] approvals. um we removed and folded in

[19:17] some of the standalone permits. So

[19:19] instead of being a separate permit,

[19:21] they're actually kind of an approval now

[19:23] as part of a another process. Um

[19:27] reduced provision for a lot of ongoing

[19:30] uh monitoring and technical calculations

[19:32] and things like that that just put a lot

[19:34] of added burden on on your staff. And we

[19:38] also remove procedures that they're

[19:39] spelled out spelled out state law. We

[19:41] didn't duplicate or replicate that code.

[19:45] And we're still continuing to make a few

[19:48] minor revisions, but nothing really

[19:50] substitles.

[19:53] So, um

[19:55] we have put some building and site

[19:58] design standards in for multif family.

[20:02] >> Um and you can see that um basically it

[20:07] doesn't provide for square boxes. um

[20:10] that stairways have to be internal or

[20:13] covered. Um you have to have different

[20:15] uh materials and different colors. You

[20:18] have to have variations in the in the

[20:20] roof forms. Um also, you know, balconies

[20:24] and and places where you might have jut

[20:27] outs or building stepbacks, things like

[20:30] that. So, you're not getting just a

[20:32] blank facade. You have different wall

[20:33] planes. Um and then there's also

[20:36] foundation plantings

[20:38] um and and things of that nature. So

[20:40] this is an example of um an illustrative

[20:45] if you will of those standards. So

[20:48] making sure that you know building

[20:49] interest entrances are accentuated

[20:53] that there's two or more stories that

[20:55] they're they're identifying with

[20:58] horizontal articulation kind of the

[21:00] different stories using materials or

[21:02] other other types of architectural

[21:04] methods. And we also don't provide for

[21:07] large expanses of blank wall. So if

[21:10] there's a side elevation or rear

[21:11] elevation, they can't have beyond 25

[21:15] foot. That's just a blank wall. you

[21:17] know, no architectural treatment or

[21:20] material change or color change or

[21:22] windows or something like that that's

[21:24] going to help articulate to make that.

[21:29] We also have a 36060 degree requirement.

[21:32] So, if it's uh visible from a public

[21:36] street or public space or another

[21:39] property, they're going to have to kind

[21:40] of carry some of the design. has doesn't

[21:42] have to meet the front facade standards,

[21:45] but it has to carry that around all

[21:47] sides of that building so you don't get

[21:49] ugly rear elevation back up to your

[21:52] subdivision park.

[21:57] This is an example of aity space

[22:01] requirements for multif family require a

[22:04] minimum of 15%.

[22:06] In this particular illustration, see the

[22:09] yellow dotted lines, the dog bar.

[22:14] So that can all be in one centralized

[22:16] space or it can be broken out like this

[22:17] as long as they're providing for a

[22:20] minimum of 15% of the side area. Same

[22:24] thing will apply relative to storm

[22:26] drainage, other things like that.

[22:32] Now, when we first drafted last time we

[22:34] were here, we had some fairly

[22:37] sophisticated

[22:39] building design standards. State of

[22:41] Texas a handful of years ago, uh, limits

[22:46] local governments from dictating

[22:48] building materials. Um, so our approach

[22:51] has always been to basically say, well,

[22:53] we're going to give them a menu of

[22:55] options and you have to have three of

[22:57] these things or four of these things and

[22:58] you can pick and choose. Um, you know,

[23:01] masonry is in there. It's not mandated,

[23:03] but that's one of the choices. Um, we

[23:06] thought and together with staff that it

[23:08] would be easier if we just kind of have

[23:10] straightforward um, you know, standards

[23:13] so you don't have all these different

[23:15] scenarios and stuff that can be

[23:16] confusing and more difficult to

[23:18] administer.

[23:19] What I would like this evening is to get

[23:22] commission and council's authorization

[23:25] to draft standards that are based upon

[23:28] what you're seeing here. So we would

[23:31] have standards for single ointment

[23:33] building. So you know just a

[23:34] freestanding bank or a freestanding

[23:36] restaurant or something like that just a

[23:38] single occupant. um where we would make

[23:41] sure that you as you can see by um by

[23:44] the the illustration there that we have

[23:49] um you know for every 30,000 square foot

[23:51] of a single building exceeds that you

[23:53] have some sort of corner corner element

[23:55] or tower or something of that nature

[23:58] your again your entrances are

[24:00] accentuated you have different building

[24:03] materials and colors um it's not you

[24:06] have different facade planes so we have

[24:08] some some step backs of a minimum of 18

[24:10] in and again that has to be carried

[24:13] around around the building. So in the

[24:16] draft that we have right now we have

[24:18] these illustrations and below the

[24:21] illustrations are the corresponding

[24:23] standards with the the numbers that are

[24:26] shown on the shown on the um graphic.

[24:30] And then there's also requirements for

[24:34] building roof mounted equipment to make

[24:37] sure that that's also screened. So have

[24:39] a beautiful building and then have big

[24:42] AC units or whatever else on top that

[24:44] are aren't well screened. Um so this

[24:48] would be the the single occupant

[24:50] building design. Um the next slide is

[24:54] comparable but it would be a multi

[24:56] multiple occupant building design. Much

[24:59] like you saw with the multif family.

[25:01] Again we are delineating between first

[25:04] and second floor. We have modulation of

[25:07] the of the roof line. So you don't have

[25:09] just one continuous plane along along

[25:11] the top. Um you know using windows and

[25:15] different materials and things like that

[25:16] to really break up. as as you know,

[25:19] you've got some pretty great examples uh

[25:22] in downtown 105 of some existing

[25:24] buildings that have done a very nice job

[25:26] incorporating many of these same things.

[25:29] So, this is not something that you're

[25:31] not not used to doing, but basically

[25:34] every individual tenant, we have what we

[25:36] call kind of a building module and each

[25:38] module kind of has to have its own its

[25:41] own uniqueness so you don't just have

[25:43] monotony of these buildings.

[25:47] And then lastly, a multi- multiple

[25:50] building center. So, um if you have a

[25:53] shopping center and you have out

[25:55] parcels, we don't want to um prevent

[25:58] them from having individuality. Um but

[26:01] at the same time, we want to make sure

[26:02] we have some sort of uniform or some

[26:04] consistencies between them. So um you

[26:08] know the the out parcels can have their

[26:11] own uh uniqueness but at the same time

[26:14] tying in with some commonality with the

[26:17] overall overall development complex. So

[26:20] it looks like it was actually designed

[26:22] to go together rather than a bunch of

[26:24] oneoffs and every one of them have you

[26:26] know whatever their franchise

[26:28] architecture is and signage and

[26:30] everything just doesn't feel like it's a

[26:32] very well planned well planned

[26:34] environment. Um so again a lot of a lot

[26:37] of the same things with um having corner

[26:40] architectural elements um providing for

[26:43] pedestrian amenities and outdoor spaces

[26:46] interior pedestrian connectivity between

[26:49] different buildings and storefronts and

[26:51] things of that nature. So those are

[26:54] three different designs. Let me pause

[26:56] there and just see what thoughts

[26:59] comments you have. Again what I'm

[27:01] looking for is are you on board with

[27:04] this? um or are there certain things

[27:07] that you have more concern about than

[27:08] others? Um so as we go back and draft it

[27:11] that we know you know where you want I

[27:14] want to make sure that when that first

[27:15] building goes up after this is adopted

[27:17] that you go that's exactly what we were

[27:19] looking for. So

[27:21] >> I I just had the one question about the

[27:23] lot size. What was the minimum lot size

[27:26] you went through?

[27:27] >> It was just about the space of green

[27:29] space versus the space of building

[27:31] >> using a square footage. So was there a

[27:34] minimum lot size?

[27:35] >> I think we have for like commercial we

[27:36] have 15,000 square ft.

[27:38] >> Okay. What about residential?

[27:40] >> It's the same as it is today. You're

[27:42] 9,000.

[27:43] >> Yeah.

[27:44] >> The only the only place that that's

[27:45] different is in a plan development. In a

[27:48] plan development, they have to bring you

[27:50] um their plans. You have to approve

[27:52] those plans. If they make any changes

[27:54] those plans, they have to come back to

[27:56] you and get them approved again. And

[27:57] they're filed with the county. So

[27:59] whenever anybody is going to develop a

[28:02] piece within that master plan or

[28:05] adjacent to that, all that's filed with

[28:07] the county. Um so you have a lot more

[28:10] control there. We're allowing and I'll

[28:12] show you an example here in a minute. Um

[28:14] you can have duplexes, you know, um

[28:17] triplexes, town homes, apartment

[28:19] buildings. You can have a mixture in a development.

[28:24] And there the lot sizes obviously vary

[28:26] accordingly.

[28:28] This is the best presentation I've seen

[28:30] from KKC. Great job. You nailed it.

[28:32] >> Good

[28:34] to say. And I do have a question. So BCS

[28:37] Capital, we they purchased the property.

[28:39] We've not seen really hardcore plans

[28:41] yet. Adopt this tonight. They would have

[28:44] to go according to these, right?

[28:47] >> U when we adopt that

[28:50] >> depending on where that is.

[28:52] >> We haven't approved anything on that.

[28:54] >> No, we haven't. We've just done we've

[28:56] just approved like what we're going to

[28:58] do as far as a 380. We've divi there's

[29:00] been no design. Correct.

[29:02] >> Not on building, right?

[29:03] >> We're going through design for that or

[29:05] they're going through design for now.

[29:07] >> But as far as our ordinance, I think it

[29:08] is enter.

[29:12] Yeah, that's since they're development.

[29:15] >> Well, if they're inclined to change some

[29:17] things, I think

[29:18] >> Oh, yeah.

[29:22] » Sometimes a development agreement will

[29:24] specify that which regulations they'll

[29:26] abide by part of that agreement.

[29:30] >> Okay, next slide, please.

[29:33] Um, this is an example of when you have

[29:37] two different districts, two different

[29:39] uses, different scales that are next to

[29:41] one another. We don't want them right on

[29:44] top of one another. So again, you have

[29:47] um 50 foot of distance or 100 foot of

[29:50] distance depending upon whether it's

[29:52] single family or multif family. And

[29:54] there are buffer yard requirements. So

[29:56] the buffer yards are spelled out.

[29:58] There's like A, B, C, and D. And then

[30:00] there's a matrix. So if it's single

[30:02] family next to single family, it's an A

[30:04] buffer yard. There's not much required,

[30:06] right? Then as you go from there on up

[30:08] the industrial, then you get up to the D

[30:10] and it's very very intensive. And then

[30:13] there's also natural buffer yards where

[30:16] it's just trees and then there's um a

[30:19] structural buffer yard where you know

[30:20] they may have a fence or wall along with

[30:22] trees or they can do a BM if they have

[30:25] enough enough space. Um, so that shows

[30:28] you kind of how that

[30:30] >> was that is that 100 foot total the

[30:33] distance

[30:34] >> this one here showing 50 foot. So we've

[30:36] got a 20 foot buffer with 15t on either

[30:40] side.

[30:41] >> But the the code is says

[30:45] uh it's going to be 100 foot between

[30:47] commercial and R1

[30:49] >> and 50 foot for R2.

[30:52] >> Yeah. So that housing looks at R1.

[30:55] >> It does. You copy.

[30:58] >> The code. That's a good point. Good

[31:00] catch. The code does does say honored

[31:02] for single family and 50. This

[31:05] illustration does show 50.

[31:08] >> Yeah, it says it up there. But

[31:09] >> at the top right there,

[31:13] 50.

[31:15] >> The second story.

[31:16] >> Yeah.

[31:18] And you notice that um the building on

[31:20] the left steps down from two stories to

[31:22] one story just within a certain distance

[31:25] also.

[31:26] So that would that's how those um

[31:30] standards would would apply.

[31:36] Next slide.

[31:38] Um we have landscaping standards. So for

[31:42] single family, you would have canopy

[31:45] tree in the front yard and then another

[31:47] canopy tree in any yard. So you'd have a

[31:49] minimum of of two that are that are

[31:51] planted. Um and then for commercial

[31:56] um there are combination of canopy trees

[31:59] per lot and then canopy and ornamental

[32:02] trees per thousand square foot of

[32:03] landscape area as well as shrubs that

[32:06] are required. Um, and then you know

[32:09] depending on what they're next to, they

[32:10] might have buffer yard as well. So, um,

[32:14] and then there's also

[32:16] interior parking lots.

[32:19] >> How do you define canopy tree? Is there

[32:21] like a

[32:23] >> Yeah, trees. That means because if you

[32:25] go to our Kroger, [snorts] those are

[32:26] supposed to be canopy trees. They're

[32:27] sticks. Well, what what we can do is we

[32:30] could include an appendix that um that

[32:33] calls out the specific specific tree

[32:37] types that qualify or can be an

[32:39] ornamental.

[32:39] >> And how about irrigation of all this

[32:41] stuff? Is there forced irrigation?

[32:43] They'll plant the trees and as long as

[32:44] they planted them when they built it,

[32:46] they die two years later, they nothing

[32:48] hold them to it.

[32:49] >> Let me check. I'll have to have to check

[32:52] Ashley Dis. So usually we do have

[32:55] provisions for that or there's an

[32:58] alternative for zeroscape, you know, um

[33:01] kind of native trees to Texas that are

[33:03] drought tolerant. So I'll I'll email.

[33:08] >> So what does that look like if they were

[33:09] to do that and then they put in sub

[33:12] canopy trees that are not on the list or

[33:14] they do and they die? We have the

[33:16] ability to have uh code enforcement go

[33:18] out there and let them know that this

[33:20] tree is dead and they have 30 days to

[33:21] replace it. Rip and replace. Okay. Is

[33:24] there is there a certain

[33:26] size for the trees? How many gallons?

[33:28] >> Yeah, so they're a 2 inch caliper or any

[33:32] shrub is a minimum five gallon shrub.

[33:35] And if it's an evergreen, it's I believe

[33:37] minimum of six foot.

[33:41] So they're not width necessarily.

[33:45] >> A five gallon five gallon container.

[33:51] So, um, you know, the the bigger they

[33:54] get, the more difficult it is to keep

[33:56] them alive when you plant them.

[33:58] >> We don't want them too small because it

[34:00] may take years before they really have

[34:01] any effect. So, this is real common of

[34:04] what all cities do.

[34:07] >> Does that trees can be placed in

[34:09] clusters and need not be placed at even

[34:12] intervals? Does that hurt us or help us

[34:14] or what's the pros and cons there?

[34:16] >> Um, let's say parking lot with a little

[34:18] bunch of trees clustered here because

[34:19] they didn't want to do anything. So it

[34:20] would create more of a natural type of

[34:22] environment rather than having you know

[34:24] this rigidity. So everywhere you go in

[34:26] town they're exactly 25 foot apart. Plus

[34:29] um if there are power lines or other

[34:32] utilities they can group them so they

[34:34] don't have to ask for variance because

[34:36] we can't put a tree there. Um and it

[34:40] just you know they can they can group

[34:42] them within their open space. So they it

[34:44] just gives them more flexibility. They

[34:46] still have to meet the numbers. Um the

[34:48] shrubbery along the parking lot though

[34:51] we require that as a bumper bumper

[34:54] screen along all um uh parking areas and parking and vehicular use areas. So

[35:02] it may not be a parking lot, could be a

[35:04] drive aisle or it could be a truck lane

[35:06] or whatever that might be. Uh if they're

[35:08] adjacent to a public rights way or

[35:11] another property, they're required to

[35:12] provide screening.

[35:14] And then, as I said, there's um islands

[35:18] within the parking lots that require um

[35:21] a canopy tree as well. So, you have you

[35:25] don't just have 500 spaces out there

[35:28] with with no trees or with a few shrubs

[35:31] in an island, right? when you stand back

[35:33] and and look across the site, you'll

[35:35] see, you know, a variety of trees across

[35:38] that site because they're required um

[35:41] every 10 or 12 parking spaces. I believe

[35:44] you have to have an island.

[35:47] So, downtown there's none required. Um,

[35:51] obviously you're very constrained with

[35:52] your rideway and so forth, but we show

[35:54] that that depending upon what may happen

[35:57] in the future, if somebody uh were able

[36:00] to provide, you know, a tree and some

[36:02] street furniture and stuff, then that

[36:04] would be great. But we don't outright

[36:07] require it. Just

[36:13] this is just an illustrative, an

[36:16] example. if somebody has a plan

[36:18] development. Um you see this well even

[36:22] in the Houston area and all across the

[36:23] country. People are coming in um with a

[36:26] variety of different housing types. Um

[36:29] so what it does is it allows them to

[36:32] increase their their lot count and their unit count by having a mixture of

[36:37] single family and two family and town

[36:39] home and stuff. It helps them meet

[36:40] different markets so that they can meet

[36:43] different price points. So your firemen

[36:46] and police officers and school teachers

[36:47] and everybody else um can can afford

[36:50] places. They're not all just, you know,

[36:52] large lots that are super pricey. This

[36:55] one actually shows how you can have kind

[36:57] of some neighborhood commercial at the entrance that's walkable as well

[37:01] as, you know, a large common open space.

[37:04] Um so in some cases, maybe that's an

[37:06] elementary school or maybe it's, you

[37:08] know, park or whatever that might be. Um

[37:10] so that just gives you an idea of what

[37:14] Plan development again nothing gets

[37:17] approved by right right has all the

[37:20] standards in there but they have to

[37:21] bring a plan to you and you review that

[37:23] plan and that plan is adopted as part of

[37:25] that ordinance

[37:28] goes with that ordinance they come back

[37:30] later and they they often do because

[37:32] they don't know what the market's going

[37:33] to do they don't know what end users

[37:35] might come to them right um so they may

[37:38] need to say gee we have you know we've

[37:41] had this use come to us and

[37:44] to come back and do a plan amendment to

[37:47] accommodate [snorts] that use, but it

[37:49] has to come back in front of the

[37:50] council.

[37:53] So, next steps, um, state law requires

[37:56] you have, [snorts] uh, at least two

[37:58] public hearings. So, generally that's

[38:00] one before the funding and zoning

[38:02] commission and then one before city

[38:05] council. Um,

[38:08] I should mention that the zoning map

[38:13] is doesn't have to be changed except for

[38:16] the downtown boundary. Um that's the

[38:19] only change that you have. Um so we have

[38:23] proposed a boundary to staff um and they

[38:26] are looking at it to align the

[38:29] boundaries. I think it's fairly obvious

[38:32] where the downtown boundaries are. Um so

[38:34] that would be the only change um from

[38:37] what we have today. that's just, you

[38:39] know, zoned on commercial. So, you would

[38:42] have a DT for downtown district for that

[38:45] area. Otherwise, everything that's zoned

[38:48] today still be zoned the same.

[38:51] >> So, you're saying we're lifting the

[38:52] historic downtown district name and just

[38:55] making it a downtown district.

[38:57] >> Yeah, the zoning ordinance is is DT

[38:59] designation. is it's a downtown that has

[39:03] boundaries and as I said there are

[39:05] standards where we bring buildings to

[39:07] the street so they have a maximum

[39:09] setback not a minimum setback so we want

[39:11] them to keep that that pedestrian

[39:13] streetscape

[39:15] um and then there's provisions in there

[39:17] that if they do you know a twotory or a

[39:20] false twotory facade

[39:22] um and you know creating small open

[39:26] spaces and stuff whether that's for

[39:28] outdoor seating or outdoor restaurants

[39:30] or whatever. Keep in mind that this

[39:32] everybody looks at downtown today and

[39:34] says, "Well, it's pretty much there,

[39:36] right?" But who knows what's going to

[39:37] happen the next 10 or 20 years. Um, you

[39:40] know, things could start redeveloping or

[39:43] whatever that might be. So, we want to

[39:45] make sure that we have have those

[39:47] standards in place. So, somebody can't

[39:49] come in and put, you know, a gas station

[39:52] downtown and have pumps and big canopy

[39:55] out front. That just disrupts that whole

[39:57] story character.

[40:00] Um

[40:02] we have well first of all oftent times

[40:06] when we do this it's dramatically

[40:09] different than what you've had before.

[40:12] So oftent times what we will do is we

[40:14] will provide assistance to you for a

[40:16] certain period of time. Um, oftentimes

[40:19] what we do is we have you adopt an

[40:22] ordinance whereby an applicant posts an

[40:26] escrow fee and that fee pays our fee. So

[40:30] it doesn't come out of the general fund.

[40:32] Um, so they may post, you know, $2,000

[40:35] and it cost us $1,000 to work with staff

[40:38] and whatever we need to do if we need

[40:40] to, you know, meet with you or what have

[40:43] you. And we spend $1,000 and they get

[40:45] $1,000 back. if it gets very involved,

[40:47] there's lots of meetings and lots of

[40:49] reviews and and revisions and things

[40:51] like that, they spend $2,500, then they

[40:53] post another $500. Um, so we have done

[40:57] that in multiple places around Texas.

[40:59] We're doing it in sim Texas right now.

[41:02] Um, so we could help in um working with

[41:07] staff to make sure that they are

[41:10] identifying all of the applicable

[41:13] provisions. Um, when somebody comes in

[41:16] with a plan or resoning or a site plan

[41:19] so that they're they're making sure that

[41:21] they're addressing everything.

[41:23] if they want to help how to interpret it

[41:26] or how to apply it to a particular lot

[41:28] or even, you know, talk with an a

[41:31] development applicant or an architect,

[41:32] whatever that looks like, we can be

[41:34] available. Generally, it's just, you

[41:37] know, on a on an hourby-h hour basis.

[41:39] Um, and we can help give you a new staff

[41:43] report template. Um obviously the

[41:46] standards are a whole lot different. So

[41:48] there's a lot more um materials to cover

[41:51] in a staff report that you get when

[41:52] somebody submits an application. It's

[41:54] basically from staff saying here's

[41:56] everything you need to know about this

[41:57] application. Um it can either be

[41:59] structured as saying if you want to

[42:01] approve it, here's the conditions and

[42:03] stipulation. If you want to deny it,

[42:05] here's the uh stipulations and

[42:08] conditions. um

[42:11] we would we could do a memorandum of

[42:13] staff review processes just to make sure

[42:15] that everything is flowing smoothly,

[42:17] that the communication lines are good,

[42:19] um that we're not dropping the ball and

[42:21] things are taking longer than they need

[42:23] to. We want to make sure that when an

[42:25] applicant submits um that, you know,

[42:27] they're moved through the process and

[42:28] they know what the next step is and when

[42:30] that's happening so they don't get

[42:32] frustrated. So, um, it helps everybody

[42:35] if everything's laid out clearly and you

[42:37] have a schedule of when to submit an

[42:38] application, when public hearing notice

[42:40] goes out, when the meetings are

[42:42] scheduled, when you have to have your

[42:43] comments back, things of that nature.

[42:46] Um, so that is one things that I wanted

[42:48] to point out if that's something you may

[42:49] be interested in. And then the last

[42:52] item,

[42:54] um, last slide,

[42:57] we have a a new tool that's called a

[43:01] knowledge advisor. So as you recall your

[43:04] code of ordinances is in the encode plus

[43:06] platform and the UDO is in that same uh

[43:12] cloud hosted web-based platform. So

[43:15] somebody will be able to go to we'll

[43:18] eventually put them together. So they'll

[43:19] be on the same site but whenever you go

[43:21] into the code all of the table contents

[43:24] are hyperl right. So you can easily jump

[43:26] there. If you come across a definition

[43:28] you hover over that definition with your

[43:29] mouse it pops up the definition. If it

[43:32] makes a cross reference to the

[43:33] landscaping standards or the parking

[43:35] assigning standards as a hyperlinks will

[43:36] take you right to those standards, we

[43:38] can link back and forth between the code

[43:40] of ordinances and so forth. So since we

[43:43] have those in this platform and since

[43:46] they will be kept up to date, so

[43:48] whenever an ordinance is adopted and

[43:50] sent to us, we codify and publish it

[43:53] within 10 days. Okay? it it doesn't sit

[43:56] for months because if somebody's

[43:58] submitting for development and they're

[43:59] investing hundreds or millions of

[44:02] dollars in the community, they need to

[44:04] know what the requirements are, not have

[44:05] to dig through other ordinances. So,

[44:07] they all need to be posted. Since

[44:09] they're in the system, we have this tool

[44:11] that somebody can ask a common language

[44:13] question. So, they can say,

[44:17] "What are the cities, you know, what are

[44:18] the subdivision requirements?" Or, "I'm

[44:21] submitting a resoning application.

[44:23] What's the process for that?" or

[44:26] um they can even include GIS. So

[44:29] somebody can actually add about about an

[44:31] address. So they can say, "Can I build a

[44:33] restaurant at 110 Cherry Street?" And

[44:36] it'll tell them yes or no. Here's all

[44:38] the setbacks. Here's all the uses. You

[44:41] can click and go to a GIS map. Um, so

[44:44] this came up because in a conversation

[44:46] with staff last week and I was in their

[44:49] shoes when I was a young planner, we did

[44:51] a whole new unified development

[44:52] ordinance, entirely different than our

[44:54] old ordinance and it was a lot of work

[44:56] those first few applications because you

[44:58] know we couldn't remember where

[45:00] everything was at. We couldn't remember

[45:01] how everything went together and the

[45:04] question was if somebody splits an

[45:05] application, how do we know all the

[45:07] different bits and pieces that go with

[45:08] that? This tool would answer that

[45:10] question. So an applicant, council

[45:13] member, commissioner, staff member, of the public can answer, ask any

[45:18] question of your code of ordinances or

[45:20] your UDO and it will give them a

[45:23] response and uh it is um trained only on

[45:28] your ordinances. So it does not permit

[45:30] any scanning across the internet to

[45:32] bring in something that doesn't apply

[45:35] and it's all entirely factual. doesn't

[45:38] give any suggest suggestions, any

[45:40] recommendations, nothing. It just says

[45:42] here's what the code says about your

[45:44] question. Um, so that would be an add-on

[45:48] to to the online code. We just we just

[45:52] came out with this like three weeks ago.

[45:53] >> So this would be on our website did

[45:55] hyperlink to yours. And then that

[45:57] information you host the software on the

[46:00] back end.

[46:00] >> It's it's all Yeah, it's hosted by

[46:03] Microsoft Azure. So you got 99.99%

[46:05] guaranteed up time and it's all backed

[46:07] up and secure and everything,

[46:08] >> right?

[46:09] >> We're on the cloud too. So when they

[46:11] send us ordinances, we can immediately

[46:13] publish those ordinance right to right

[46:15] to your site

[46:18] and we would update

[46:20] uh your probably not your code of order.

[46:22] Well, could be your code of ordinance

[46:24] and your UDO. You know, they're make

[46:26] you're making changes along the way. So

[46:27] we provide at least two updates annually

[46:30] and can do more as needed to make sure

[46:32] that when somebody asks the questions

[46:34] they're getting the latest and greatest

[46:35] answers.

[46:36] >> What's the SLA to get the answers? So

[46:38] like well say for instance we change the

[46:41] code ordinances. What's the SLA to get

[46:42] those up and published?

[46:44] >> Uh we we do the ordinances within 10

[46:46] days. Um,

[46:49] we

[46:51] would probably probably take another 10 days or so to make sure that

[46:56] it's online. We're obviously we're using

[46:59] new technology. Um, the way it all the

[47:03] way did have to be, you'd have to update

[47:04] the entire code of ordinances if you

[47:06] made one change, but what we're getting

[47:08] ready to deploy is you only have to

[47:10] update that one section and I'll update

[47:12] the whole thing. So, again, I will get

[47:14] back with Brett on that.

[47:16] You said it's a add-on to So it's an

[47:19] add-on to the current service that we

[47:20] that we're gonna that you subscribe to.

[47:23] Is it an added cost? Add

[47:24] >> an added cost. So cost.

[47:26] >> Yeah. So it's it's there's not a onetime

[47:30] fee. So we build it for you at no

[47:32] additional cost, but we roll that into

[47:34] the annual cost because uh it's it's

[47:38] going out and utilizing different models

[47:40] and every time somebody asks it a

[47:41] question, there's a usage charge. So

[47:44] obviously those mount up. So, it's um

[47:47] $3,500 annually. So, we've done some

[47:50] math and basically

[47:52] um if you get a couple inquiries a day,

[47:56] it'll pay for itself in four to six

[47:57] months.

[47:58] >> And you're talking about AI tokens for

[48:00] AI tokens.

[48:01] >> Yeah. So,

[48:04] >> no

[48:07] access.

[48:07] >> So, we have access to a whole range of

[48:10] different models. So depending upon the

[48:11] question that it's asking it will

[48:14] basically utilize.

[48:15] >> So is it large language or is it

[48:18] >> Yes.

[48:18] >> Okay.

[48:19] >> Yeah.

[48:19] >> So it's not agentic.

[48:22] >> So I can write you an agent profile if

[48:25] you want.

[48:27] It's up to you. Well, yeah. The only uh

[48:32] the the only thing is that this is

[48:34] drawing directly from your official code

[48:37] of ordinances and code of order and you

[48:39] know that's in the platform by having it

[48:41] in the platform. Uh it's all we go

[48:44] through the process. It's all indexed.

[48:47] Um they're governed documents. So you

[48:49] know there's a lot of lot of parameters

[48:51] on that. You could try to use, you know,

[48:54] a PDF and and use chat QBT, but you may

[48:56] or may not get the right answer.

[48:58] >> So, you say 3500

[49:01] >> and then it's add

[49:04] usage. There's

[49:06] >> no that's that's covered. That's why we

[49:08] do an annual fee. So, we're not

[49:10] concerned about the the usage.

[49:13] >> It can be used 100 times a day.

[49:14] >> I was going to say so it can be used

[49:16] either two times a day or 500 times a

[49:18] day.

[49:19] >> Yeah. I I mean oftent times, you know,

[49:22] whoever's calling or asking questions of

[49:24] staff multiple times a day, whe it's an

[49:26] applicant, whoever it might be, and

[49:28] they're have to chase that downs, find

[49:30] information, email to them, call them

[49:32] back, all that type stuff. So, what

[49:34] we're trying to do is to limit that to

[49:36] the extent practical. They can answer

[49:38] their own questions on their phone or on

[49:40] their laptop. And then once they have

[49:43] that, when they come to staff, they're more intelligent about what

[49:47] they're asking. Um, so in a short amount

[49:50] of time, either get their answer right

[49:52] up front or they'll call staff and say,

[49:54] "Hey, I got this and just want to

[49:57] verify." There's also a disclaimer.

[49:59] Every time you ask a question, you get a

[50:01] response. There's a disclaimer. It says

[50:03] staff is the official answer, right? So,

[50:06] we don't want you relying on this tool

[50:10] as the end all beall. You always have to

[50:12] verify staff.

[50:18] Yes. Yeah. And you know when ordinances

[50:21] get twisted to various interpretations

[50:24] depending upon the the user. So

[50:27] >> who owns the data you or us?

[50:28] >> You make sure

[50:30] >> we don't take any other software

[50:32] companies every all the data you put in

[50:34] that becomes their data no matter what

[50:36] to get it back out to extract it as a

[50:38] cost.

[50:38] >> It's all yours. Um there's yeah there's

[50:41] no additional cost. Um, it can be

[50:44] exported to a word file any hour of the

[50:47] day, any day of the week.

[50:50] >> So, which platform did you say you were

[50:51] using?

[50:55] » Oh gosh, I would have to ask my my AI

[50:59] engineer. Um, like I said, we utilize a

[51:02] service that has access to um a variety

[51:06] of different um AI models. Um, I'll I'll

[51:11] email Brent the morning. You can pass it

[51:13] on to

[51:23] » How much time do you think this would

[51:24] save you, Tilly?

[51:29] » The time did it save me.

[51:33] >> How many inquiries do you get in a day's

[51:34] time?

[51:36] >> A lot of inquiries. The The inquiries

[51:39] come from engineers and architects. They

[51:42] would still rather get it from a live

[51:44] person. Um, I'm still directing them and

[51:47] having to read the ordinance with them

[51:50] to verify that they understand exactly

[51:52] what the ordinance says. So,

[51:56] even if they know the location of the

[51:59] ordinance, even though I refer them to

[52:01] that location, I email them the

[52:02] information, they still want a phone

[52:04] call. So,

[52:07] um, need for handholding

[52:11] >> and and we say there always has to be

[52:12] human intervention, right? This is never

[52:14] the answer. So

[52:16] >> at the end of the day, always has to go

[52:18] to

[52:20] >> Yes.

[52:23] » So that concludes my presentation.

[52:26] >> Thank you.

[52:27] >> Great. Good stuff. Thank you.

[52:28] >> One more question. It said six months on

[52:30] there and that's included free inclusion

[52:33] to the support staff for six months.

[52:34] >> No, that's additional, right? You say

[52:36] it's an island.

[52:38] >> Yeah. Different cities have done it for

[52:40] different periods of time. It's whatever

[52:41] you want it to be. So basically it's to get Zach and Tilly and anybody

[52:47] else in the city up to speed so they

[52:48] feel comfortable and when applications

[52:50] come in they they know exactly where to

[52:53] go in the code. This this would go a

[52:55] long way towards helping with that.

[52:57] >> What is your cost of that? Um that tool

[53:00] is the 3500 annual assist

[53:04] >> that is uh we just have an hourly rate

[53:07] charge and there is a a fee that the

[53:11] applicant posts with their application.

[53:13] So I believe in Simon right now they

[53:16] post $1,500 and like I said if we spend

[53:19] a,000 they get 500. Okay.

[53:22] >> So lot sometimes it'll be different

[53:24] depending upon if they're spinning a

[53:26] plan development is a lot more involved.

[53:27] So maybe five grand

[53:29] >> but if our people need not an applicant

[53:31] if they need assistance with it is that

[53:33] a charge for that or is that going to be

[53:35] the

[53:36] >> because our contract for this project

[53:38] will be done at the money comes from

[53:39] that. So it's it's basically an on call agreement

[53:42] >> and we can you know say we'll have a

[53:44] weekly meeting with Tilly and Zach or

[53:47] bi-weekly or if you want us to talk to

[53:50] somebody we can but basically they can

[53:53] look at it and say did I catch

[53:54] everything and we can look at it say so

[53:57] I remember what three years ago we

[54:00] started this

[54:02] >> three or four

[54:03] >> 2011 hasn't been Stan you remember

[54:06] >> oh it was

[54:07] >> the the timeline dates.

[54:10] Granted, I'm not holding you to it 100%

[54:13] cuz some of it was our fault, but not

[54:15] all.

[54:15] >> Well, it was May the deliverable date I

[54:18] think was May of this year.

[54:20] >> May of this year%

[54:24] » we went for a period of what six, seven

[54:27] months without without point of contact.

[54:30] So that alled this and then recently

[54:33] um staff to their credit has has really

[54:36] dug into it and they've been giving us a

[54:38] lot of their feedback and so we've been

[54:39] revisiting

[54:42] you know we all want to get it right fast.

[54:49] Can you revisit your explanation to the

[54:52] mayor about the u historic downtown and

[54:56] then you said no we're calling it

[54:58] downtown. So

[55:02] when people look stuff up is it going to

[55:04] say historic downtown?

[55:06] >> It certainly can. Right now it's just called downtown but that's a

[55:10] simple change.

[55:11] >> I'm just asking because I wanted to

[55:13] clarify because I knew you said no we

[55:15] call it downtown. So, I was like, is

[55:17] that something we want to hang on to?

[55:20] I'm just asking the question, historic

[55:22] downtown.

[55:23] >> I can explain part of that. You know,

[55:25] the historic overlay that is down there

[55:27] now has no teeth in it. It's really a

[55:30] suggestion. I mean, it was a good idea

[55:33] and it's a much broader. It covers some

[55:35] of the houses and that, but it really

[55:37] doesn't cover it. It doesn't make them

[55:39] do anything. I know you've read it

[55:41] because you know I mean it gives them

[55:43] some design suggestions and things.

[55:46] >> What this the difference was what we're

[55:48] trying to do or what we tried to deliver

[55:50] was a downtown district that you could

[55:53] control setbacks, heights, you know,

[55:55] looks and all that. You're actually

[55:57] controlling something. Um you can always

[56:00] have the suggestions of how you want it

[56:01] to look like a 1887 whatever, you know,

[56:04] building like it says now. You know,

[56:06] there's some weird suggestions in there,

[56:09] but

[56:10] that's exactly what it is. It's a

[56:12] suggestion. There's nothing that we can

[56:14] say you have to do this. This gets it a

[56:16] little closer. It still didn't say, you

[56:19] know, you're completely limited, but it does, you know, they're not going to

[56:24] plow half of it down and then put big

[56:27] setbacks and put porches out front or,

[56:30] you know, because we're going to keep

[56:31] them street level facing, you know,

[56:36] tight areas like it is now. That's kind

[56:40] of the point of it.

[56:40] >> I imagine the historic preservation

[56:42] ordinance came along because downtown

[56:44] didn't have its own district. So didn't

[56:46] have didn't have standards. And so I'm

[56:49] guessing maybe that was put in as a as a

[56:51] step toward what we've got now.

[56:53] >> Yeah. I I the reason I'm saying it is

[56:55] because when you live here for quite

[56:57] some time,

[57:00] you uh you would tie everything into it

[57:03] like come to historic downtown for you

[57:06] know the cookie walk or for the

[57:07] historical home walk or you know that

[57:10] was our ploy to gather people into

[57:13] downtown. Um I'm just I just want to

[57:16] clarify

[57:17] >> change the the terminology. You can keep

[57:19] that.

[57:20] >> Yeah.

[57:20] >> The district is only for controlling the

[57:22] architecture.

[57:23] >> Okay. I'm just that's all just I'm just

[57:27] want to know why because people will go

[57:29] well is it downtown or is it historical

[57:30] downtown? Guarantee it. They'll ask

[57:32] they'll go what happened to historical

[57:34] downtown? Nothing. We just took the word

[57:36] historical off. So

[57:38] >> it's a question they'll ask.

[57:40] >> So I have a question about the PD. Thank

[57:42] God it's now um expired. But anything

[57:46] that happens on Pleasant, we don't get

[57:47] those ugly institutional buildings ever

[57:49] again. We can institute this. Correct.

[57:51] Just

[57:53] >> in the expired PD.

[57:57] >> Well, yes, because it has again there's no teeth in that either anymore.

[58:03] you know, there's most of it's filled

[58:06] out, but as we go into the new

[58:08] development that's still going to be in

[58:10] some of those areas of that PD, this

[58:12] will take over from that.

[58:18] » Awesome. I just wanted to clarify

[58:20] something about that planned

[58:21] development. So, the planned development

[58:24] district is a zoning district that did

[58:26] not expire. The development agreement

[58:29] expired. It's the agreement that

[58:31] expired, not the people.

[58:33] >> It's still there for And it's

[58:34] >> indefinite.

[58:35] Yeah.

[58:36] >> Until you reszone it

[58:38] >> then. But otherwise, plan development is

[58:41] still there. It's the development or

[58:44] that's expected.

[58:45] >> There's no

[58:47] >> piece to it. Again,

[58:49] >> the plan development.

[58:50] >> No, it was a deal. It wasn't it wasn't

[58:53] finalized

[58:55] when the development agreement expired.

[58:58] Right.

[59:08] What we have to do to get the ball roll

[59:17] by September?

[59:18] >> We have to have a public public hearing.

[59:20] >> Just allow staff to finalize what we

[59:23] have and bring it to us in September.

[59:25] >> Yeah, we have a few more things to touch

[59:27] up on. Um, and that's one of the

[59:30] questions for you guys. I mean, I can

[59:32] send everybody the 400page thing or

[59:34] whatever it is, but I I didn't feel like

[59:37] that was a value. I don't think

[59:38] anybody's really, but it we can send out

[59:42] whatever you want us to send out. You

[59:44] can take the time to read, you know,

[59:46] parts of it that you want. Um, that's

[59:48] why I wanted to to hear the feedback

[59:50] tonight. you know, as long as the the

[59:53] direction is right, I think we, you

[59:55] know, you'll adopt this and we'll move

[59:57] forward. And it's really a just like you

[1:00:00] said, you know, a couple meetings and

[1:00:02] full adoption.

[1:00:04] >> So, state law says public hearings

[1:00:06] plural. So, you need to have at least

[1:00:09] two, but you can also, if you're

[1:00:11] interested in timing, you can also join

[1:00:14] me where the commission will take action

[1:00:17] and then the council would take action.

[1:00:19] So you can kill two birds without

[1:00:21] stopping.

[1:00:23] >> So

[1:00:24] >> just still have to have two

[1:00:28] >> be the same presentation you just did

[1:00:29] basically pretty much

[1:00:35] » and when it's adopted it's moving

[1:00:38] forward.

[1:00:39] So, anybody that rushes in here and

[1:00:42] they're in the middle of developing an

[1:00:44] yes and no, are they referring to this

[1:00:47] or are they referring to old stuff?

[1:00:51] >> Want to be clear that there are vested

[1:00:53] rights?

[1:00:54] >> Yes.

[1:00:55] >> Instead,

[1:00:56] >> right? So, if somebody has made

[1:00:58] application,

[1:00:59] they basically vest themselves.

[1:01:01] >> Okay.

[1:01:02] >> So, basically, you can't pull the rug

[1:01:04] out from under change the rules of the

[1:01:05] game after they already.

[1:01:08] Um the question was asked if somebody

[1:01:10] plants a large property but then each

[1:01:14] owner land owner comes in and wants to

[1:01:17] do a site plan over the next several

[1:01:19] years then they will have to go through

[1:01:21] the site plan process but that plat we

[1:01:24] can't you know halt them and make them

[1:01:27] start over again. who did create the

[1:01:29] ordinance about two years ago where

[1:01:32] there is a time

[1:01:35] >> yes

[1:01:37] >> and then goes to where

[1:01:39] >> well that's what I'm trying to figure

[1:01:41] because when when we [clears throat] sit

[1:01:42] down for our meeting and they bring all the paperwork to us now we have to

[1:01:46] sit there and we have two new members

[1:01:49] that are going to go did you already

[1:01:51] talk about this and we're going to have

[1:01:52] to dig back and see and I guess we just

[1:01:54] have to be more proactive with our

[1:01:56] agenda and say hey this facility should

[1:01:58] be able to take whether or not

[1:02:03] y

[1:02:05] >> I think it's assumed too but if we do

[1:02:08] when we do make this rules can you share

[1:02:11] with these new developments that are

[1:02:12] happening a suggestion

[1:02:14] >> you know at least throw it out there

[1:02:16] >> think they can not only BCS but the

[1:02:18] other side of

[1:02:18] >> HB

[1:02:20] this is what we're going for try to

[1:02:21] influence at least you know don't just

[1:02:23] go okay well they're just doing what

[1:02:24] they're doing

[1:02:25] >> they haven't done anything so they would

[1:02:26] be a part of That's what

[1:02:29] they

[1:02:29] >> on the other side of HV.

[1:02:30] >> Yes.

[1:02:31] >> In that big old dirt pit. Yeah. They

[1:02:32] were already moved dirt. So

[1:02:35] >> made application.

[1:02:36] >> They don't have they don't have a

[1:02:37] development agreement with them.

[1:02:39] >> It has nothing to do with the

[1:02:40] development agreement.

[1:02:41] >> Right. But they they haven't come to us

[1:02:42] with any plans. They they would still be

[1:02:44] under this new plan. Right.

[1:02:48] >> They already submitted a development

[1:02:50] application and escro agreement. So

[1:02:54] we're already reviewing at least portion

[1:02:57] of the civil.

[1:02:58] >> But was there money?

[1:03:01] >> The infrastructure is planned out in it.

[1:03:03] I guess we'd have to talk to people.

[1:03:06] >> Yeah. See see where it is because once

[1:03:08] it comes to us.

[1:03:09] >> Well, you could submit pictures without

[1:03:10] having a plan. You could say this is

[1:03:12] high pie in the sky. So that I mean

[1:03:14] >> I'd like clarification.

[1:03:16] >> Can we get that?

[1:03:17] >> Texas is going to protect that property

[1:03:18] owner. can't come in and change school

[1:03:20] rules in the middle of it.

[1:03:21] >> I know I'm I'm not I am asking if they

[1:03:24] had already I remember seeing the

[1:03:26] pictures. I didn't know where we were in

[1:03:27] that process. So I wanted to know if

[1:03:29] they would be adhering to this or if

[1:03:31] they were grandfathered into the prior.

[1:03:33] That's all I was asking.

[1:03:34] >> Yeah. And it would be real simple,

[1:03:36] right? You'd call it up and you'd tell

[1:03:37] us and you'd say, "Hey, this is a list

[1:03:39] of the developments and moving forward

[1:03:43] they don't get touched and these moving

[1:03:46] forward can be."

[1:03:46] >> It would be great to have a list of the

[1:03:48] grandfather.

[1:03:49] >> Yes.

[1:03:49] >> Just make everybody's job easier without

[1:03:52] guessing.

[1:03:52] >> The development agreement not yet done.

[1:03:55] >> You could negotiate.

[1:03:57] >> Sure.

[1:03:57] >> This is part of that.

[1:03:58] >> Same way with annexation agreements and

[1:04:00] things like that. Cities have said part

[1:04:02] of that agreement is that they will

[1:04:04] abide by.

[1:04:05] >> Yeah. And anybody coming in here that

[1:04:07] wants to make money would would probably

[1:04:10] be very understanding. We hope to

[1:04:12] negotiate to look aesthetically

[1:04:15] >> the way that this is versus what we had.

[1:04:18] >> The financial impact is totally

[1:04:19] different. So I'm sure that they would

[1:04:21] love to be grandfathered.

[1:04:23] >> Maybe they'll be more agreeable. It's

[1:04:25] more pleasant to be submitted. Like I

[1:04:28] mean we can hope for the best.

[1:04:30] >> Stats out everybody. Let's just suggest

[1:04:32] it to the people that are, you know, in

[1:04:34] limbo right now at least just to share

[1:04:35] it just to hopefully they want to fit in

[1:04:37] because you know what they might go well

[1:04:39] I want to do other projects so maybe

[1:04:40] they will go along with the program. So

[1:04:43] hopefully

[1:04:45] we have a few temporary ordinances that

[1:04:47] we can correct to you know and we can

[1:04:50] clean up the tree stuff and you know

[1:04:52] because we've been having to kind of

[1:04:54] we've been in limbo on some of this. So

[1:04:56] there will be some things we can suggest

[1:05:01] and and work with and a lot of these

[1:05:03] developers are more than happy to you

[1:05:05] know I mean unless we you know cost them

[1:05:07] a whole lot of money but

[1:05:09] >> and that was my that was a question I

[1:05:11] had are the developers do they are they

[1:05:14] f like these or do they just going with

[1:05:16] it because they don't have a choice or

[1:05:17] do they actually

[1:05:19] >> they love to get away with what they can

[1:05:20] get away with more money in their

[1:05:22] pocket. Are you finding that? [laughter]

[1:05:25] >> Are you asking me or asking?

[1:05:26] >> Yeah. I know for you like is are they

[1:05:27] are you finding that they're actually

[1:05:29] >> well

[1:05:29] >> going with it or there is there a lot of

[1:05:31] fight you know is you know

[1:05:34] >> well once once they're adopted then

[1:05:35] there's no

[1:05:36] >> there's just no choice

[1:05:38] but I

[1:05:39] >> well your your your national retailers

[1:05:42] national chain they do this all over the

[1:05:44] country so they're not surprised by it.

[1:05:46] They'll tell you oh this you don't ever

[1:05:48] seen this before.

[1:05:50] >> Okay.

[1:05:51] They've done thousands.

[1:05:54] >> They've seen it before and they've seen

[1:05:55] things much more restrictive,

[1:05:58] but you know, you'll probably you'll

[1:06:01] probably get some push back. People

[1:06:02] saying, you know, this is too much or

[1:06:05] whatever. They always say, well, you

[1:06:06] know, we're going to go down the road.

[1:06:10] If the market's here, this is where the

[1:06:12] traffic's at. This is where

[1:06:14] development's happening. So

[1:06:17] >> certainly when there

[1:06:19] people want to be there, they'll do what

[1:06:21] they need to to be there.

[1:06:23] >> Can you postpone any new applications or

[1:06:26] is there a time limit once they submit

[1:06:27] it?

[1:06:30] >> So be out.

[1:06:34] How do we address the

[1:06:39] » meaning that's up to you?

[1:06:41] uh

[1:06:45] knowledge.

[1:06:48] >> We'll bring those back to you when we

[1:06:50] get that far. Um th those will just be

[1:06:54] upgrades to existing software agreements

[1:06:57] that we have. to what we originally had

[1:07:01] and then discuss the difference in money

[1:07:04] for the

[1:07:08] » How much more time do y'all need to get

[1:07:10] these other little points settled other

[1:07:13] decisions? I think we can do this in

[1:07:15] September like he mentioned. I think we

[1:07:17] can get it done in that time frame.

[1:07:20] >> September

[1:07:21] >> with the me meetings and everything

[1:07:23] adopted.

[1:07:24] >> Then we'll be calling the public meeting

[1:07:27] >> through Yeah. through September.

[1:07:30] We can do it jointly if you want to push

[1:07:33] the time.

[1:07:33] >> I think that would be best. I I I like

[1:07:37] jointly.

[1:07:38] >> So by September the 22nd we can be done.

[1:07:42] >> I don't have a calendar but depending on

[1:07:44] timing for those public hearings.

[1:07:50] » If someone is present, if someone a

[1:07:55] group comes in and does a presentation

[1:07:57] discussion, does that start or does it

[1:08:00] with the escrow payment?

[1:08:03] >> An actual development application would

[1:08:05] probably start the clock, but

[1:08:07] >> okay. I wouldn't wouldn't start when

[1:08:09] they they came would come in [snorts]

[1:08:11] >> preliminary also just to just to be able

[1:08:15] to present to you.

[1:08:16] >> Okay.

[1:08:16] >> You tell them come back October 1st

[1:08:18] please. [laughter]

[1:08:23] » We have to because we can't meet until

[1:08:25] later in October.

[1:08:27] >> That's right. That's right. [laughter]

[1:08:30] » Vacation until then.

[1:08:34] >> Just so much happens so quickly. I know

[1:08:37] >> sooner it's in place, the more effective

[1:08:40] it's going to be for this for the city.

[1:08:48] » Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[1:08:50] >> Thank you. Good [clears throat] to see

[1:08:51] you all.

[1:08:52] >> Right. Uh, next item on the agendas, the

[1:08:54] closing agenda, council inquiry.

[1:08:59] » Number seven, items to consider for

[1:09:00] placement on future agendas. You

[1:09:02] >> all got it on the agenda?

[1:09:11] I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn

[1:09:14] >> by Mr. Donaldson, second by Miss Fox.

[1:09:17] All those in favor of German say I. I.

[1:09:20] We will. Thank you.

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