[30:25] I call this March 14th meeting of the Morrisville Town Council to order. Thank you to those watching the live stream and those who are watching a recording of this meeting.

[30:33] I'm March 17. The video of this meeting will be uploaded to www.townof Morrisville.org for slash government for slash live-video.

[30:42] Master Officer Alexis Hogan has served as a police officer for three years and is currently a patrol officer assigned to uniform patrol.

[30:48] You appreciate being here this evening as our sergeant in arms. Tonight's invocation will be delivered by Council Member Rao.

[30:59] As we gather this evening in the All-America City of Morseville, we pray that you give the

[31:04] Council staff and gauge whether this strength and wisdom to continue to lead one of the

[31:08] most inclusive, innovative, and dynamic towns in the nation.

[31:11] And pray for any family who has lost a loved one to any illness.

[31:15] We are grateful on this America week for the 200,000 citizens of our nation who dedicate

[31:20] themselves every year to serve their communities, a unifying force of service, which is so

[31:25] dust we need to do in these times.

[31:27] We pray that you keep our troops free wherever they may be, and we pray for the family

[31:32] of a former President, Jimmy Carter, the only President, one of the few President to use

[31:36] the presidency to help millions of people around the world.

[31:40] During this 1-6th month, we are so very grateful for the remarkable, for our women's

[31:46] remarkable contributions to our nation and

[31:48] celebrating the trailblazers who now lead states,

[31:51] serving Congress, Service Governor, Service U.S.

[31:54] Senators, Vice President of the United States,

[31:57] who drive innovation and job creation

[31:58] and succeed in all sectors of our economy.

[32:01] We're also very grateful this evening for the dynamic

[32:03] and successful women who serve on our town council

[32:06] in Morseville, including Mayor Perotem, Liz Johnson,

[32:09] council members, Ricky Scroggins, Johnson,

[32:11] and everybody in Donnerfender.

[32:13] We are all the beneficiaries of this strong leadership of these women, including our town

[32:18] and Azure Market page, the female directors of our staff, and all the women who serve

[32:23] with such grace and humility to residents of our great town.

[32:27] We are grateful for their service, and we appreciate any women who serves in public office

[32:32] in our redest state and nation.

[32:34] We thank all of you for doing a remarkable job.

[32:37] Finally, we pray that you always let us imagine a gender equal world, a role free of bias

[32:42] year of shock, stereotypes, and discrimination, a world that has diverse, equitable, and

[32:47] inclusive, and that we strive for a world where difference is valued and celebrated.

[32:53] Together, we can forge women's equality, collectively, we can embrace equity.

[32:59] Thank you.

[33:01] All for able please stand and join in saying

[33:10] to the flag at the United States or America.

[33:14] I can do the Republic for which it stands.

[33:16] One nation.

[33:19] Invisible with liberty and justice for all.

[33:28] Before you adopt tonight's agenda,

[33:29] town council policies to review and ensure there are no conflicts of interest or appearance of conflict of interest

[33:34] to any items on the board.

[33:36] Anyone want to share anything at this time.

[33:39] to entertain the motion to adopt the seedlings agenda.

[33:43] Thank you.

[33:44] Thank you.

[33:45] Thank you all for the favor of adopting the seedlings agenda.

[33:47] Please say aye.

[33:48] Aye.

[33:48] And you're posed.

[33:49] Hearing none, that carries six zero.

[33:52] There are six items on this evening's consent agenda.

[33:54] Stormwater control measure agreement.

[33:56] Resolutions adopting an ABA transition plan.

[34:00] Authorizing straight acceptance requires point.

[34:02] and makes me farm some divisions.

[34:04] A brainage easement of the endowment,

[34:06] and a town council of 2023.

[34:09] It's important.

[34:09] We're sending one of the full key these items

[34:11] are about four motion.

[34:13] Attention to the motion, we got the students.

[34:15] It's time to get there.

[34:17] We'll take that motion.

[34:18] Sure.

[34:19] Okay.

[34:19] That's it.

[34:20] All those who have been busy with it.

[34:21] Aye.

[34:22] And you're posed.

[34:23] I also carry tremendously.

[34:24] 60.

[34:26] One.

[34:26] I'm interested in the report this evening.

[34:28] A mobile application update.

[34:29] I'm interested in reports are reported

[34:31] It is information only items in less counsel as questions.

[34:34] I would like to ask you a question on this question.

[34:39] Can you?

[34:40] There are seven presentations on this issue as a agenda.

[34:44] Proclamation is recognizing frequently,

[34:46] say soil data, leading disorders awareness month,

[34:49] women in public office day, and women's history month.

[34:52] Up proposed mural program over you,

[34:55] and more as it'll spring fest update.

[34:57] I will make the first presentation.

[34:59] This is the process.

[35:00] Information is recognizing Creek Leak as March 18 through 25, 2023. Whereas the first Creek Leak in central

[35:06] North Carolina was observed in the city of Durham in 2009 and is now observed by many local

[35:11] governments across the state and whereas in addition to Creek Leak, many local governments

[35:16] and organizations across central and eastern North Carolina have conducted major cleanup efforts

[35:21] to remove trash in waterways and whereas regional Creek Leak Leak started by the North Carolina Clean

[35:28] Water Education Partnership in 2021 is a special week set aside where partnership, affiliated

[35:34] local governments, concurrently worked together to celebrate and store local creeks and streams.

[35:40] And whereas this impact could be greatly magnified through the collective efforts of additional

[35:46] local governments, organizations and individuals working together to educate, about and protect

[35:51] our waterways, whereas creeks, streams, rivers, and other waterways support outdoor recreation,

[35:58] fisheries, healthy lifestyles, and safe drinking water supplies. And whereas healthy waterways

[36:04] also support biodiversity, natural beauty, and provide critical habitat for aquatic wildlife.

[36:10] And whereas the town of Morrisville encourages all residents to celebrate quickly with a scheduled

[36:15] of stream clean, brain marking, scavenger hunt,

[36:18] and educational outreach events.

[36:20] Now, therefore, the town council of town of Morrisville

[36:22] does hereby recognize Mark 18, 23, as quick week

[36:27] in the town of Morrisville, North Carolina.

[36:30] And at this time, I'd like to ask our environmental

[36:32] specialist, Tony Victor, to approach,

[36:34] I'll present him this, and he can share some ideas

[36:37] about what's going on this up from week.

[36:46] And then if you'd rather go to the day, that's fine.

[36:49] Congratulations. Thanks for everything you do. You are on social media all the time.

[36:56] Okay.

[37:04] Back to Laura.

[37:14] Okay. There you go. Thank you very much.

[37:26] You're me, okay. So it's good. All right.

[37:30] Thank you. As Mayor said, not too many Victor environmental specialists in the storm water division of the engineering department.

[37:36] Thank you, town council, for giving me the opportunity to speak this evening.

[37:40] The NC Clean Water Education Partnership, also known as Quepp, has done this obviously for the past three years.

[37:49] Approximately 23 municipalities are participating this year.

[37:54] As a member of Quepp, and in conjunction with the Regional Event, Storm Water Division is hosting Morseville Creek Creek 2023, March 18 through 25.

[38:03] The purpose of Creek Week is to engage the public on the importance of clean and healthy

[38:11] waterways.

[38:13] Creek Week also helps us in more skill, meet our national illusion discharge elimination

[38:18] system, phase two permit that's issued by North Carolina Department of Environmental

[38:24] Quality, and is delegated by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

[38:30] More importantly, stewardship of storm water and our waterways is the right thing to do.

[38:38] Brought human history water connects us.

[38:41] Live work and play in and near water.

[38:45] Water allows us to live connected and live well.

[38:50] Storm water that flows through and out of Morseville

[38:53] So, we'll pass through many North Carolina communities via the Newst River and the Cape

[39:02] Beer Watersheds on its way to the ocean.

[39:07] It will flow in close proximity to more than 900,000 people along its way.

[39:13] I hope this stresses the importance of being good stewards of our waterways for more

[39:17] the residents and those downstream.

[39:20] This year's quick, quick, quick, quick, quick events.

[39:23] It's hard to do, I know.

[39:26] Well, stormwater drain marking events,

[39:29] five stream clean events, four public stormwater education booths

[39:34] at the Western Wake Farmers Market,

[39:38] M-A-F-C, the Senior Center and Cedar for Community Center.

[39:42] We'll also be hosting two educational, hosting education tables and doing presentations for

[39:50] K through fifth graders at the Morrisville Community Library two nights next week.

[39:57] We'll be posting on Creek Week related information.

[40:00] On our Facebook and Twitter, on our social media, that's at T.O.A.M. Stormwater. If you're not following us, please do.

[40:08] And we have 141 volunteers as of today signed up to participate in the various events.

[40:16] Though we thank you very much for your support for a week. Now we need your prayers, your positive vibes, and your good thoughts for cooperative weather. Thank you very much.

[40:32] So Tony why you're still in the room I want to make sure you hear this so we had

[40:38] recently a survey done and stormwater was part of the survey and our citizens were above

[40:49] average in understanding stormwater and what it meant and the ramifications and at the

[40:55] time we commented it is because of our staff and I would tell you it is because of you specifically

[41:01] and all the work you are doing working with the citizens and our advisory committee too.

[41:07] So thank you very much. You didn't hear those comments probably that night. I want to make sure

[41:10] you heard them tonight. So appreciate all that you do to educate our residents and all that you do.

[41:17] What are as critically important as you said. So thank you.

[41:23] Council Member Garamelo, we'll read the next proclamation.

[41:28] Thanks, Mayor.

[41:30] This is a proclamation recognizing safe soil day.

[41:34] Whereas conscious of the planet in a Tennessee non-profit corporation,

[41:39] whose mission is to make human activity more conscious

[41:42] to support environmental restoration and advance solutions

[41:46] to the urgent ecological crisis facing humanity.

[41:48] Founded in 2019 by Sadguru, conscious planet in its first initiative is the conscious planet

[41:57] safe soil movement and whereas Sadguru is a global leader and a visionary that was

[42:03] named as one of India's 50 most influential people. Sadguru has launched several initiatives

[42:09] over the years. powerful examples of bringing together all segments of the society to achieve

[42:14] system, system change, with lasting, sustainable solutions, and ecological and social issues.

[42:21] These initiatives are given at the support of the government, public figures, grassroot,

[42:26] organizations, and millions of people, and whereas, same soil is a global movement supported

[42:31] by 81 nations, uniting world leaders, visionaries, influencers, and citizens of all nations

[42:38] behind a common purpose to restore and safeguard the world's soil, and whereas save soil aims

[42:45] to address the global soil crisis, recognizing that 52 percent of the world's agriculture

[42:50] soil are already degraded, and by 2050, 90 percent of our soil could be degraded, addressing

[42:58] the soil degradation issue would bring a solution of the loss of biodiversity, nutritional

[43:03] efficiencies, food security, water scarcity, climate change, and mass migration.

[43:10] And whereas the proposed solution is to advocate for policies across all nations, towards

[43:15] soil restoration and aim, increase organic contents in agriculture soil and minimize

[43:20] to a minimum of three to six percent.

[43:24] Now, therefore, the town of council of the town of Marshall does here by proclaim March 21st

[43:30] as saved soil day in Marsal N.C.

[43:34] soil is vital to all life.

[43:36] So we urge all individuals to be a part of the saved soil movement

[43:39] and participate in creating bright futures for our children

[43:43] and the future of our planet.

[43:48] And at this time, I would like to ask Suresh,

[43:50] who is a volunteer with the saved soil condition

[43:54] to come to the podium along with other volunteers.

[43:58] I

[44:25] just want to thank you,

[44:31] this and also how

[44:37] this approach to come up to this thing.

[44:40] I just want to say, please visit the website.

[44:47] A lot of information is there.

[45:11] This

[45:17] time comes in morale. We'll read the next proclamation, please.

[45:22] This is a proclamation recognizing pleading disorders where it is marked. Whereas the town of

[45:27] Morrisville is proud to commemorate March 2023 as pleading disorders where it is marked. This designation

[45:34] will formalize and expand upon the designation of March 1986 as hemophilia awareness marked.

[45:40] President Ronald Reagan, and the federal Department of Health and Human Services designation,

[45:46] of March 2016, as national bleeding disorders month, and we're as these bleeding disorders

[45:53] which share the inability to form a proper blood clot or characterized by extended bleeding

[45:58] after injury, surgery, trauma, or menstruation, and can lead to a significant morbidity and can be fatal

[46:04] have not treated effectively. Now, we're asked many individuals with hemophilia became

[46:09] effective with HIV and hepatitis C in the 1980s because the contamination of blood supply

[46:15] and blood products. Now, we're asked this awareness month, we'll generate greater awareness

[46:19] and understanding of not only hemophilia, but all the heritable bleeding disorders, including

[46:25] bond, full of brand disease, which alone impacts an estimated 1% of the U.S. population

[46:31] more than 3.2 million individuals, whereas this awareness month will foster a greater

[46:36] sense of community and shared purpose among individuals with all inheritable

[46:41] bleeding disorders, and whereas this awareness month will elevate awareness of an

[46:47] engagement in the inheritable bleeding disorders journey beyond our community to the

[46:51] general public enabling the prevention of illness unnecessary procedures in

[46:56] Now, therefore, the town council of the town of Morseville does hereby proclaim the month

[47:01] of March, 2023, as bleeding disorders awareness month of the town of Morseville.

[47:06] After this 14-day March, 2023,

[47:12] Mayor Potem Johnson will read the next proclamation.

[47:14] So, this proclamation is celebrating women in public office stay.

[47:19] Whereas the month of March is women's history month and celebrates the significant contributions,

[47:25] women of all races, ethnicities, and backgrounds have made to the world, and whereas women play

[47:31] a critical role in the vitality and diversity of our communities, and are essential to ensuring

[47:38] the town of Morrisville as well represented. And whereas while the 20th century was a pivotal

[47:43] time of growth for women entering politics, women reign underrepresented in male-dominated fields

[47:51] and thus providing opportunities to support women in public office isn't carried.

[47:57] And whereas recognizing women in public office will bring awareness to the fundamental

[48:01] necessity of their work and will inspire other young people to serve their communities.

[48:09] Now, therefore, the town council of the town of Warsaw does here by proclaim March 19th,

[48:15] 2023 as women in public office day and call upon the people of Morseville to unite as we

[48:21] support the success of women in public office and observe every March 19th with appropriate

[48:27] activities events and programs.

[48:31] Thank you.

[48:31] Council Member Rebody will read tonight's final proclamation.

[48:36] Reclamation declaring marches women's history month.

[48:40] Whereas American women of every race class and ethnic background have made historic contributions

[48:44] to the growth and strength of our nation in countless recorded and unrecorded ways.

[48:49] And whereas American women have played and continued to play a critical economic, cultural, and social role in every sphere of life of the nation by constituting a significant portion of the volunteered labor force working inside and outside of the home.

[49:06] And whereas American women were particularly important in the establishment of early charitable, philanthropic and cultural institutions in our nation.

[49:16] And whereas American women have served our country politically and militarily, and whereas American women of every race, class, and ethnic backgrounds served as early leaders in the forefront of every major progressive social change movement.

[49:31] And whereas despite these contributions, the role of American women in history has been consistently overlooked and undervalued in the literature, teaching and study of American history.

[49:43] Now, before the town council, with the town of Morrisville, does hear by proclaim March as Women's History Month in Morrisville.

[49:50] And urge us all to celebrate with appropriate programs, ceremonies, and activities.

[49:55] We also invite residents to visit www.Wimmins History Month.

[50:14] I'm

[50:26] glad

[50:37] to be here with you all this evening giving up date regarding the meal program. I have some good information here for you all, so hopefully if you can just hold your questions until the end and maybe I'll have them address by the end.

[50:59] presentation over you. So the proposed mirror program is just one component as you all know of the

[51:04] feature public art program. It's envisioned as a pilot for the public art initiative.

[51:11] This presentation will focus on the current and plan steps for a pose mirror program and highlight the

[51:16] steps that we made towards facilitating public art.

[51:23] As you all know, I present to you all in December

[51:25] on the Darkteam. We talked about the overall program, as well as the proposed evaluation process,

[51:32] and you also selected the first three mural locations, and we also talked about theme.

[51:37] On January 25th, I presented to you the Parks Recreation and Cultural Resources

[51:41] Advisory Committee. I provided an overview of the program research and findings,

[51:45] and also an overview of their proposed role as you all define in your meeting.

[51:52] Now that we've kind of covered that, we'll go over the full chart once again, so there are six steps

[51:56] in our program. The first step was research. We researched established

[52:00] mural programs and assessed the approval framework as well as assessed the

[52:05] assurance and weaknesses of those existing programs. Step two was cleaning. We

[52:09] formed a multi-departmental mural program, advisory committee rather, and

[52:14] that consisted of staff from planning, public works, communications, and

[52:18] parks and recreation. The third step was framework development. We established

[52:23] of your program framework, so that entailed identifying your installation locations, designing

[52:29] and approval process, and identifying potential UDO updates.

[52:36] Our first step is pilot program finalization, and that's our current step.

[52:40] So we are looking at seismic evaluation, also looking at including cost estimates updating

[52:47] you all once again, requesting funds, recommending,

[52:50] and adopting UDO amendments.

[52:53] And again, it's a great place where we are right now,

[52:57] because we're able to kind of really get that framework

[53:00] and get everything finalized.

[53:02] So let me find it to be here with you.

[53:03] So the fifth step would be implementation.

[53:06] And so we will be issuing an RSP,

[53:10] as well as reviewing those proposals

[53:12] and then selecting your list.

[53:14] The sixth and final step, I think it's the most exciting.

[53:17] I think for all of us, which will be installation.

[53:23] So now that we've had that overview,

[53:24] let's kind of recap what you all provided

[53:27] has gotten so less time.

[53:30] So you also like to the first three locations,

[53:32] those locations were fire admin,

[53:35] as well as MFAC and the Shiloh Park Restaurant Building.

[53:41] Again, we finalized the approval process.

[53:43] We have the committee, you can form

[53:45] some of staffs of planning, public works,

[53:48] communication in parts and recreation. We also identify the first relocations for installation

[53:53] as you all decided and also theme. Our next step will be to release the RSP, then the

[54:00] parts recreation and cultural resources advisory committee will review those RSP submittals

[54:04] and then recommend to you all prefer a mirrorless design for each location. And then once again

[54:10] you all will select the final design for each location. Next we will award contracts and then finally

[54:16] commission the murals.

[54:20] As for theme selection, murals

[54:22] needs will be provided to artists by staff. This was based on

[54:25] you all feedback. The themes will vary by location for instance,

[54:30] the Shialo restaurant building could be based on the location's history,

[54:35] other locations could be guided completely by mirrorless creativity.

[54:42] Now let's kind of go over our current steps. The RSP is being drafted,

[54:47] the outline currently includes goals. Our goals have been identified as to

[54:51] First to activate and enhance the cultural connectivity and vitality of the town of Morrisville through engaging artwork and creative place making of

[55:00] Also to honor the town's history, natural beauty, and cultural heritage. And also to provide an opportunity for public engagement.

[55:08] Our objectives would be to create a mural that is colorful, inspiring to residents and visitors, and to create a mural that reflects the unique, unique characteristics of the town for a civil.

[55:20] The selection process, there are kind of two steps here. The first step will select up to four finalists.

[55:25] We'll be selected by the Parks and Culture Resources Advisory Committee, and they will then create a site-specific design based on artistic accomplishments as well as that they are demonstrating with their prior works that they have technical skills as well as comparable skills of path works.

[55:45] Also, we're looking at the fact that they have had some sort of collaboration maybe with multiple stakeholders and working with design teams and projects in urban settings.

[55:56] We also would like them to demonstrate the ability to create artwork that reflects the distinctest characteristics of a place as well as the ability to complete projects on time within budget.

[56:06] That too, the Parks and Rights Cultural Resources Advisory Committee will then recommend to

[56:12] town council, the final design selections for artists and artists team, and then you all

[56:17] will then make your decisions based on artistic narrative design, appropriateness of design

[56:22] for location, including scale, content, color, and design.

[56:27] I want to make sure that the concept reflects the state of goals of the project as well as

[56:31] artists who call out qualifications and the originality of the design.

[56:38] We're also looking at proposed UDO amendments.

[56:41] They're being drafted as well.

[56:43] We want to first define a mural and differ that from signage.

[56:47] That will be in update to our terms and uses defined.

[56:51] We'll also be allowing painting on brick in cases of public art.

[56:56] And so that'll be through the approved process and program.

[57:00] And then lastly, we want to make sure that we incorporate public art installation

[57:03] into the town center and part of West Village Planned Development Academics.

[57:08] Also, a private presentation I wanted to highlight existing UDL language that helps us facilitate and allows public art.

[57:16] First, we do define art within the UDL that can be a fountain or a sculpture or other similar objects that are cited on a development site as a focal point and intended for a public enjoyment.

[57:28] That can be located on both private and public property.

[57:31] Also, our open states, design standards allow for architectural design features such as

[57:36] sculptures, order elements, carvings, frescas, you have mavesates and mobiles as well, and

[57:44] also, we allow decorative shelters for transit riders.

[57:48] This is all subject to the common open space standard.

[57:52] I also want to highlight that art is currently allowed as a accessory used within all

[58:04] One, we are actively doing research to make sure that we are ready with our site-specific

[58:10] details that would be location on the facade of those murals and as well as staffing.

[58:15] We're also looking at budget and cost analysis.

[58:18] So, the program is currently unfunded, however, the fiscal year 24 budget request includes

[58:23] the pilot program.

[58:25] We're looking at our stipend, which could range anywhere from 5 to 12,000.

[58:29] that will be predicated on size, the artists will have to utilize this stipending to purchase

[58:34] all pain and all required supplies in order to turn that mirror into us.

[58:41] And then the next thing would be a finalist incentive rather, so typically when you have

[58:47] our artists come up with something site specific, you want to make sure that you compensate

[58:50] them for the time and energy that they did to put that together.

[58:55] And so that will range anywhere from $250 to $500.

[59:00] We got to get the head there.

[59:04] We're also looking at working with community initiatives like United Arts School

[59:08] that help with monetary support for such projects.

[59:11] Again, they have their arts and towns grant that we're currently looking at.

[59:15] And also, I just want to remind you all these artists and they are such a change.

[59:22] So a couple continue next steps.

[59:23] The next thing we will do is adopt the UDL amendments and then issue the RSP,

[59:28] Parks and Writes, cultural resources, advisory committee will then review those RFP submittals

[59:33] and then the program, you know, once we have those designs, you all will select the final design.

[59:40] Staff will also actively be working towards evaluating options for the future public art program,

[59:46] which includes, you know, signing long-term maintenance and management and massage fillies of the program.

[59:51] I also want to highlight that you all will be getting updates within the news and notes section.

[59:56] So, here we go.

[59:58] That kind of concludes all the information now.

[1:00:00] I have for you all with an update, but if you have any questions for me, I would like to do my best to address them.

[1:00:08] I want to give the opportunity to have

[1:00:20] questions from the side of the area, really great.

[1:00:25] At the end of the briefing, there's also a more specific part of the shelter area in the classroom.

[1:00:32] I don't know if there's any playground there.

[1:00:36] That one is selected when we're going to talk to you with fire admin, humidity, and shallow park.

[1:00:45] We can definitely put that on the lift.

[1:00:49] Just so I'm clear, so there might be more than one artist, two or a year old, so it's not just one artist doing all three.

[1:00:56] Yeah, so it can be one artist or a multiple artist, one for each design.

[1:01:01] Also, we are looking at the, you can have a team of artists that will completely design it for.

[1:01:07] One individual.

[1:01:11] That's wonderful, Councilmember Alps.

[1:01:13] You might have already mentioned this, but the artist's limited to, like, professional artists

[1:01:18] are going to be, like, youth artists, younger artists living in our town.

[1:01:23] They can be at least involved in the process.

[1:01:25] I think that they could be involved in the process of part of an artist's team,

[1:01:29] but one of the qualifications is having places that there's someone that has

[1:01:32] done some work comparable to what we're asking them to complete.

[1:01:47] That's the plan.

[1:01:52] Thank you so much.

[1:01:54] Will Glenn, our communications and outreach director

[1:01:57] and Anderson marketing and defense specialist

[1:01:59] will facilitate the final presentation of these.

[1:02:11] Good evening.

[1:02:12] Will Glenn, communication and outreach director.

[1:02:14] We are about two months away now from my next Spring Festival event.

[1:02:18] Just wanted to come by and give you a nice update.

[1:02:20] I'm going to yield to a marketing event specialist, Miss Lennett, Anderson, to lead the presentation.

[1:02:45] All right, thank you, little.

[1:02:47] Hi, everyone. Again, my name is Lennett.

[1:02:57] It's here.

[1:03:14] It looks forward to and everyone looks forward

[1:03:19] to.

[1:03:20] Thank you, Eric.

[1:03:28] Okay, so this year's event is going to be on Saturday May 13th from 4 to 8 PM.

[1:03:36] We are looking at a new layout this year.

[1:03:42] We typically have Springfest right in front of our building

[1:03:45] on 100 town hall drive.

[1:03:47] But we are looking to move the stage

[1:03:50] to the food hub and help this year

[1:03:54] and add some more interactive elements to it.

[1:03:58] We typically have our main music stage

[1:04:01] at the intersection of kind of town hall drive

[1:04:05] in Indian Creek Trailhead.

[1:04:06] We normally have it there,

[1:04:08] but we're gonna move it this year.

[1:04:10] We want to give it even a different field,

[1:04:14] then we do at July 3rd,

[1:04:16] and we also want to capitalize on the upcoming

[1:04:22] Town Center Project and getting people interested

[1:04:25] in interested in this area and getting more familiar

[1:04:28] with this end of Town Hall Drive.

[1:04:35] Our layout is, again,

[1:04:37] Right in the front of town hall drive in the connected building, we have food trucks, about

[1:04:43] eight food trucks already,

[1:04:49] a small business outreach component that's going to be in front

[1:04:52] of the chamber building and also have the opportunity for our town to have department tables and

[1:05:00] Right in front of the connector building, that's always been really helpful and really interactive, so all of our departments have the opportunity to come and set up tables to promote their programs and be in front of the public.

[1:05:14] Right now, we already have Parks and Rec, stormwater inspections and planning as a part of the town tents. So we look forward to adding more as the event goes long.

[1:05:27] We do have inflatable rides and games, as you may remember we have tickets that are for sale as well.

[1:05:37] So our ticketing tables will be in front of the connector building, and we typically have two locations.

[1:05:44] And our games provider brings everything from inflatable slides to carnival games that you would find, kind of at the fair.

[1:05:53] And he also has inflatables that he puts inside of Indian Creek.

[1:05:59] So all of that is part of the inflables for the now.

[1:06:04] If you can see on our layout, we have something that's called edu-tainment.

[1:06:11] So this is typically where the stage has been.

[1:06:15] And for this year what I'm looking to do is trying to find more educational entertainment

[1:06:20] for our children's area. I like to call this, the children's area. We are looking at getting

[1:06:28] more hands on activities. We've contacted the library to see if they would be willing to come out

[1:06:35] and do some entertainment because that is what we're looking for to fill this space and we'll also

[1:06:43] have a DJ in this area because we want to bring again more sound and more music and more entertainment

[1:06:49] to this area because we are picking up the stage and moving it to a different location.

[1:07:00] We will, of course, have multiple Porter Johns at the event. We are working to have

[1:07:08] make sure that our shuttle locations have accurate, but making sure that our shuttle locations have

[1:07:16] accurate pick up and drop off locations. We typically shut the road down at the intersection

[1:07:24] of Morrisville Carpenter and at the traffic circle, we have shuttle buses that will run from

[1:07:31] cedar fork community center and drop off the traffic circle and also have shuttle buses that

[1:07:36] drop off pick up from the district park and drop off at the intersection of town hall, drive

[1:07:43] in Morrisville Carpenter. That is going to be a big help now that the construction is finished because

[1:07:50] actually have a huge intersection now that our buses can actually turn and make a

[1:07:56] U-turn and go back to the district park and we of course are working with fire to make sure

[1:08:02] that we have one lane of traffic to go through each through the intersection as well as help our

[1:08:08] bus make a loop and go back. So we're excited about that. We're also working internally to

[1:08:18] have police and fire and public work staff to help us throughout the day. I will say that spring

[1:08:24] Fest is one of those events that kind of touches all departments. We need inspections to help with

[1:08:31] our tint. We need public works to help on site with the gator. We need and closing the roads now for

[1:08:40] barricades. So spring Fest is kind of me but it's actually everybody that kind of helps me out for this event.

[1:08:47] So thank you guys for that for sure and we've already had one meeting and after this meeting and more discussions and more talks will have another meeting just to finalize our layout and bring everybody together to make sure that we're all on the same page.

[1:09:05] One of the other components that we are again looking to add at the pilot this year is to add a bit of a beer garden to the event.

[1:09:18] We get asked most of the time during the event.

[1:09:23] And afterwards, those social media if we have beer or if there is a section for where people can listen to music and have a beer.

[1:09:33] And we've done research in local municipalities about other events that have beer, and they have been popular.

[1:09:42] But we also found that it's up to us to charge the vendor to come out.

[1:09:49] And every vendor that we spoke to doesn't have a problem.

[1:09:53] So it would be no cost to us, but we would ask the vendor to come and pay.

[1:10:00] We're basically a rental fee to come and be a part of our event, because it's not so much of we think that this is going to be a rock star event for them to make a ton of beer sales.

[1:10:11] It's basically kind of like a marketing opportunity for them. So they would be paying us to come out and get their product in front of our audience.

[1:10:24] a couple of the events that I've looked at were a fest in the West, the

[1:10:30] Cuegrass Festival, and actually Lazy Days in Peak Fest.

[1:10:35] And it was just trying to get an understanding of what other municipalities are doing and what

[1:10:43] they think.

[1:10:45] So I think that it would be a good ad.

[1:10:49] And being as though this is the first year that we're trying this again, it's not something

[1:10:53] that we think that we're going to make a ton of money off of, but we just want to see how it goes,

[1:10:59] see how the community feels about it, and then we'll process that and take it to other

[1:11:06] events, maybe, or see how we go and how everyone feels about it.

[1:11:22] In addition to the beer garden, we will have it in a confined space, so we won't have it in

[1:11:29] space where the kids are per se, it's going to be in that food hub area and within the food

[1:11:35] hub area, we'll have a 20 by 20 space. We'll mark off that people can come in and out of,

[1:11:43] but they'll have to keep their beverage in that confined area and they won't be able to come

[1:11:48] outside of it. So it's close enough to the music where they can stay in the confined area and

[1:11:53] but not necessarily have to come out and interact or be around kids.

[1:12:07] We have a couple of different options for parking for the event,

[1:12:12] and it's not marked here, but we typically have handicapped accessible parking here in Town Hall,

[1:12:20] and at our Cedar Park district park location and at the school.

[1:12:27] So we'll have handicapped parking at both locations,

[1:12:30] but we try to definitely have some here in town hall.

[1:12:35] And a lot of times people who need it,

[1:12:37] they'll just come and they'll ask one of the officers

[1:12:39] to let them in a lot or show a hang tag

[1:12:42] and we can let them in that way.

[1:12:51] Guys, have any other questions about any new elements

[1:12:55] or the new elements or springfest?

[1:12:57] And again, this is still a work in progress

[1:12:59] and we're still a couple of months out,

[1:13:01] so I don't have anything like the exact name

[1:13:04] the band, but we're still looking a bit, book bands, and some entertainment for the day two.

[1:13:10] Body, please.

[1:13:12] Can you refresh my memory on what the tickets relate to the people by?

[1:13:17] So the tickets are for the actual games and the inflatables.

[1:13:22] So our rides vendor, he comes out and he provides those carnival style games.

[1:13:27] And they're normally one ticket and a one dollar for one game.

[1:13:32] past years, we've done about $3,000 and take it sales.

[1:13:39] I would really like it if there was some way that families, I mean, I know it's only

[1:13:48] but I'm back in the day that would have been too much for my parents.

[1:13:54] So I would really like it if we could figure out some way that there could be either families

[1:13:59] to town hall beforehand if they want to pick up a book of tickets, it doesn't have to be that much.

[1:14:06] You know, like three or four tickets, ten tickets, something like that where if there's a family that, you know, that wants to come,

[1:14:14] then I would like it if everybody had a chance to ride the ride with their face painting whenever the DMS.

[1:14:21] Just something, you know, I just think that's something we should always be thinking about.

[1:14:24] This is an amazing event. Everyone is going to want to come to it.

[1:14:27] And I just want to would like us making sure that every family is having the same experience.

[1:14:31] Okay, thank you. I'll definitely write that down.

[1:14:34] I'll remember Garamela, please.

[1:14:36] Yeah, I think we all look forward for Spring Festival.

[1:14:42] I'd like to push over to Hanypah.

[1:14:46] Hanypah, Hanypah, Hanypah parking.

[1:14:50] But if we can't have it, because I don't want it to like they come and

[1:15:00] The parking is full, so they don't know about it. And that could create some kind of

[1:15:08] parking spots, they have. And so, okay, at least, you know, signups and give them the pass or something that would be much better.

[1:15:19] Control, then, like,

[1:15:23] party, so we don't know our capacity, so it would be, like,

[1:15:27] Boston for us. I think that's what carried us to, like, you know.

[1:15:39] Okay, I'll definitely write that down as well.

[1:15:45] Question about the parking.

[1:15:47] Is it possible people will use the grassy lot over a first Baptist?

[1:15:51] Because a lot of times they do, whether or not we have arranged it or not.

[1:15:57] Okay, yeah, we can definitely get in front of it.

[1:16:00] We haven't typically done that in these past years.

[1:16:05] Maybe in year one or two, we did, but we haven't.

[1:16:08] So we can make that priority in our messaging that people should not park there for short because I don't think that we need it right now

[1:16:17] Because we have a lot of parking at the district park and we are trying to get more shuttle buses to run at this event in July 3rd

[1:16:27] So we can move more people quickly. So I think that that may help also. So we'll definitely put that in our marketing and messaging to not park a lot

[1:16:37] because we wanted to do good neighbors.

[1:16:40] I'll end up mentioned that the buses

[1:16:42] have been able to turn around easier,

[1:16:44] but also with the construction completed,

[1:16:46] their sidewalks, so everyone can walk here.

[1:16:50] We're at Morrisville Parkway, and up at Savannah,

[1:16:52] and everything, so I have a lot more walking this time,

[1:16:56] which will really make it really nice.

[1:16:58] About the size of the 20 by 20,

[1:17:01] I think that it's going to be really popular.

[1:17:04] But the bigger thing is something that is a big mess there or some seeding.

[1:17:12] That will be very busy area.

[1:17:15] We want to figure out how to do it.

[1:17:17] Just because we're doing a rental fee, but then the vendor is charging people.

[1:17:22] All the car for their items.

[1:17:24] That's right.

[1:17:26] Ash or credit cards.

[1:17:27] That will be correct.

[1:17:28] And again, we'll put that in our marketing and our messaging for the event.

[1:17:32] But again, it's not our key, it's not the main thing that we're going to try to sell at this event,

[1:17:38] but we'll have enough signage there, and we'll have it on our website and on our marketing to make sure people know that it will be available.

[1:17:46] The vendor that we've used for carnival games, they've always been very great and I'm surprised, and I was going to go into those cars now, so I'm really going to go back very much with you.

[1:17:56] We don't have it once again. I wasn't sure who's first over here. I can't remember.

[1:18:01] Ralph, I hope I can submit to the vendor, please.

[1:18:02] Yeah, just to follow up on the channels, just wherever we can.

[1:18:06] I know it's the last July for the event of, you know, some people are visiting me and they say it's just a lot of time.

[1:18:12] the shadows, that was the problem was the problem was the problem was the problem was the

[1:18:16] problem was the concerns about I saw a police really challenge and people coming too close

[1:18:21] to the road so many people. So hopefully that won't be so bad because of the sidewalks,

[1:18:26] but whatever we can do to make sure that these shadows are on schedule so that, you know,

[1:18:31] because that the last July 4, that's the print past, there were so many people coming that

[1:18:36] people were waiting a long time to get the shadows. So this is, you know, hopefully we can

[1:18:41] best thing. Okay, yes. Definitely a little to address that.

[1:18:45] Tell us a member of Fender, please.

[1:18:47] I have a question about the dear garden. Will it be the vendor that's

[1:18:52] in charge of looking at IDs or yes, yes it will be. It will be and it will be the

[1:19:01] vendor who is going to be serving as well. So they have insurance and they will

[1:19:06] be allowable for anything. So it won't be any of our staff that will be

[1:19:11] handling or checking IDs.

[1:19:13] And this is a company that is pretty reputable

[1:19:15] and they've done other events before.

[1:19:18] So we feel comfortable with that.

[1:19:20] Close to the police department, if we have any more.

[1:19:24] Yes, we do right in the backyard.

[1:19:27] I'm sorry, I'm coming to the questions before.

[1:19:31] I'll just remember Garam Elfus.

[1:19:33] I'll be back with what you said.

[1:19:35] We're cutting the parking lot there.

[1:19:38] I think if we tie up with the show,

[1:19:40] it's that opportunity, you know, harsh money and that's the harsh money, like in the fight.

[1:19:47] A lot of people would want it.

[1:19:49] But you know, this is something close by.

[1:19:56] Like parking lots all across, like, you know, they charge, you know, not really.

[1:20:00] We fear grounds, but all the other grounds are charged. So for us, I think, as many parties as we can fit, that are

[1:20:08] preventing the church can take it. But now it's a convenience for us, for the residents so that they can

[1:20:15] just walk, you know, across. So I think it's a minimum if we can have it.

[1:20:30] Okay, yeah, I can

[1:20:31] definitely make another that. I'll mention you. I'm so happy that a lot of people are going to maybe

[1:20:37] parking neighborhoods and they shouldn't, so it's gonna be a lot of communication and a lot

[1:20:41] of work. Morrisville Square is also nearby. People will probably park there, despite signs saying,

[1:20:46] no parking other than when you're shopping. Much as you can make good neighbor for everybody.

[1:20:52] So it was a great thing. I've one last question, can people bring their own beverages into the

[1:20:58] You're going to be really clear about that in advance so people can't bring.

[1:21:02] That's correct. That's correct.

[1:21:04] Bye.

[1:21:06] I can't wait.

[1:21:08] I wish it was sooner.

[1:21:09] That's wonderful.

[1:21:10] Thanks for all the work you've already done

[1:21:12] and all the work that you and the entire staff are going to be doing to make this another.

[1:21:16] Great.

[1:21:16] Thank you.

[1:21:28] We are at public address, which is item 10.

[1:21:31] Is there anyone here in the audience who signed up?

[1:21:37] There are no public comments or CVA email and there were no individual signed up to give in person public comment.

[1:21:44] Anyone here in the room who did want to make a public address comment.

[1:21:51] Seeing that, it's a little bit of a break, so we'll just go right into action items.

[1:21:55] There are three action items on this evening's agenda.

[1:21:58] of the closed amendment of the Zones Act for Geek Energy,

[1:22:01] a town code of ordinance update,

[1:22:03] and a resolution and capital project,

[1:22:05] ordinance amendment authorizing phase two

[1:22:07] to be designed build for church street parks, Southern Lot.

[1:22:10] Susan Russell, Plano 2, will facilitate the first item.

[1:22:15] Good evening, Mayor Colley and members of Town Council.

[1:22:21] Could you please bring up the photos?

[1:22:23] Thank you. Thank you so much.

[1:22:26] Okay, so first I have a matter of housekeeping

[1:22:28] to report back to you all, regarding the Duke Substitution site. So Duke has cleaned up the

[1:22:38] transmission corridor and if you remember that corridor runs adjacent to the homes on

[1:22:45] Gradiat. If you'll go through all three, I think there's three. Also our code enforcement officer

[1:22:54] Mr. Clarence Harris. He went out there today to make sure that this actually occurred and it did.

[1:23:01] He did confirm that, and then also he will be following up with Duke Energy regarding maintenance.

[1:23:12] Okay, now on to matters for the closed public hearing. Excuse me.

[1:23:18] For the picture real quick, if there is one,

[1:23:24] what an nicer thank you.

[1:23:25] You're welcome.

[1:23:27] Okay, so now on to matters for the closed public hearing.

[1:23:31] The applicant, what's the escalation path if for Mr. Harris or for a woman if that

[1:23:39] site is not cleaned up?

[1:23:41] Who are we asking them to call the site, doesn't stay in good repair, has due promise that

[1:23:47] it would?

[1:23:47] So I'm not sure about that specifically. Martha, would you have something that you have in mind?

[1:23:56] We're actually going to involve Mr. Harris to do some regular maintenance and have that be the contact person for Duke.

[1:24:06] And that's who neighbors would normally call as our code enforcement department anyways.

[1:24:13] Okay, so the applicant submitted conditions, those are found in your packet and those would be under attachment 19 called revised zoning conditions.

[1:24:28] Also, those conditions reference the sketch plan. The sketch plan is found under attachment 20 called the revised sketch plan.

[1:24:40] Right now I'm going to go over the changes that were made to those conditions, okay, so we've got number 6 and the applicant added the words as depicted in the sketch plan.

[1:24:54] Condition number 8 was changed to Condition number 11.

[1:25:00] And then three new conditions were added, those were eight, nine, and ten. So condition eight states, additional supplemental vegetation, screening in the form of southern wax murdals, and pompous grass or similar, shall be provided on the east side of the parcel as depicted in the sketch plan.

[1:25:20] Revised Zoning Condition Number 9 states that a gate made of a material compliant with the UDO will

[1:25:29] Right, I'll bring that up after I unless you want to bring it up now, Eric, it's fine.

[1:25:36] Age two of that, so just because people can read along.

[1:25:39] So it'll be attachment,

[1:25:43] like the next attachment, yeah.

[1:25:45] Thank you.

[1:25:50] Would you like me to start over just so we, you're clear?

[1:26:01] The condition eight about the screening in the form of southern wax murdals and pompous grass.

[1:26:15] Going to be right here and right here.

[1:26:22] And then we have revised zoning condition number nine.

[1:26:29] A gate made of material compliant with the UDO will be installed in the transmission right of way

[1:26:36] and the southeast corner of the property adjacent to Morrisville Carpenter Road in

[1:26:47] this location.

[1:26:53] Revised zoning condition number 10 states that the gate and fence at the entrance lot to the

[1:26:59] substation off Morrisville Carpenter Road will be replaced to be compliant with the UDO and that is

[1:27:08] great at the entrance here.

[1:27:14] So these are the revised set that was submitted.

[1:27:18] And if town council has any questions of me,

[1:27:21] I'm happy to answer those now.

[1:27:25] I don't remember if I have any questions for Ms. Russell

[1:27:26] or staff or the applicant at this time.

[1:27:33] Thank you.

[1:27:36] So I would like to make this motion.

[1:27:39] I find a proposed zoning map amendment

[1:27:40] to be consistent with the town of Morrisville's

[1:27:43] comprehensive plan that hereby make a motion to approve with conditions ordinance 2022-438-0 of the

[1:27:51] Morseville Town Council, approving a zoning map amendment for 940 Morseville Carpenter Road,

[1:27:56] located along the north side of Morseville Carpenter Road, east of its intersection with

[1:28:00] leafy creek drive to the conditional low-density residential zoning district REZ-22-0010.

[1:28:08] Further, I find that the post-Zoning Map Amendment is reasonable, consistent with the Comprehensive

[1:28:16] Plan, and is in the public interest because A. Requested Zoning Map Amendment is consistent

[1:28:21] with the 2021 Land Use Plan which identifies the subject property as institutional and includes

[1:28:28] utilities as preferred use, B. The Requested Zoning Map Amendment is consistent with the public

[1:28:33] interest and addresses a demonstrated community need for electric power and see the requested

[1:28:39] disowning map amendment for this consistent with the intent of the unified development

[1:28:43] ordinance because applying the town with electric power meets the general purpose of the

[1:28:48] ordinance, which is to guide and manage the development of Morrisville in a way that takes

[1:28:53] an account present and future needs and resources with anyone like the second this motion.

[1:28:58] I'll second to motion.

[1:29:01] Okay.

[1:29:02] All those in favor, please say aye.

[1:29:04] Aye.

[1:29:05] Aye.

[1:29:05] Any opposed?

[1:29:07] You're none that carries unanimously.

[1:29:09] Seven zero.

[1:29:10] At this time with the permission of my fellow council members.

[1:29:14] I would like to take this time to read a statement on behalf of the Council regarding this item.

[1:29:19] Okay.

[1:29:20] Okay.

[1:29:21] Okay.

[1:29:21] Tom

[1:29:25] Council wishes to thank all the engaged residents and community members who have helped guide us in

[1:29:30] deliberating on the rezoning request by Duke Energy for expansion of the existing

[1:29:35] Morrisville carpenter road substation, especially those most directly affected by this request.

[1:29:41] Your voices have been an important part of our deliberations and have been heard.

[1:29:46] This decision has been one of the toughest we have considered in many years.

[1:29:49] Our duty is to evaluate decisions in the light of what is best for the entire town while recognizing different perspectives of various stakeholders in this process.

[1:30:00] The decision was not made lightly. Since Duke Energy submitted this rezoning request, town council has been involved both individually and collectively in gaining an understanding of the electrical power needs, options and issues and concerns of the nearby residents.

[1:30:15] countless hours of meetings, calls with Duke Energy and residents, and

[1:30:19] substation tours have occurred to ensure we have listened and understood the challenges.

[1:30:25] Town Council has strongly advocated for consideration of options that take into account the concerns

[1:30:30] expressed by residents. This included ensuring that questions asked by residents have been addressed,

[1:30:36] and a specifically that consideration of a southern lot expansion option would be explored.

[1:30:41] Duke Energy indicated early in their process that they invalidated a southern option, or

[1:30:47] proposed the northern option for a variety of factors, including design layout of the existing

[1:30:53] substation, the ability to reduce the tree loss and visibility of the site. Duke Energy

[1:30:58] reconsidered the southern lot at the request of our residents and town council, but have again

[1:31:03] indicated that is not a viable option.

[1:31:06] The timing of the project and impacts on the length of the design and permitting process,

[1:31:12] security concerns and costs, have all been cited as reasons for the northern expansion.

[1:31:18] Town Council has also recently become aware that the North Carolina Utilities Commission has the authority

[1:31:23] and could order construction on the northern side of the sub-station if Town Council voted against the expansion.

[1:31:29] The project could then be constructed without the benefit of the conditions town council and staff

[1:31:35] have negotiated to mitigate the impact on the surrounding area residents, which included additional

[1:31:40] opaque fence and tree buffers as well as some aesthetic improvements to the site.

[1:31:45] Decisions about our community should remain in our control.

[1:31:50] As a result, town council has approved the rezoning request with these conditions as our best possible

[1:31:55] resolution of this needed expansion. We have made clear to Duke our concerns about the lack of

[1:32:00] communication about both the timing of the future power needs and the process for being included

[1:32:05] and involved in discussion of the issues and options. The town will closely monitor the construction

[1:32:12] of the substation expansion and care and maintenance of this site to ensure Duke energy is the good

[1:32:18] and partner we expect them to be.

[1:32:21] Morrisville's growth, particularly in the life sciences sector, benefits all residents through the creation of jobs,

[1:32:27] and growth of tax base that helps the town manage and control costs, and fund the services we provide to our residents.

[1:32:34] This approval supports that growth for both our current and future residents and businesses.

[1:32:39] The Morrisville Carpenter Road Substation is the first phase of meeting these current and future electrical power needs.

[1:32:44] The location and construction of an additional new

[1:32:47] substation is needed in the near future.

[1:32:50] I may also have significant impacts on our community.

[1:32:54] Town Council will be fully engaged and informed in that process for us

[1:32:57] and for our stakeholders as this process gets underway.

[1:33:01] You are an important part of the town of Morrisville

[1:33:04] and our work on your behalf will continue.

[1:33:09] This time, Brandon Zutama.

[1:33:11] Deputy Council Manager will facilitate the next item on our agenda.

[1:33:30] Good evening, Mayor members of Council.

[1:33:32] Thank you for your time tonight.

[1:33:34] Back for our third discussion of the town ordinances update.

[1:33:39] So just as a brief reminder, this is the review process

[1:33:43] and the focus on why we're doing this review.

[1:33:46] That includes making sure that our content is current

[1:33:48] and reflects practice and policy.

[1:33:50] Always important and anything we do.

[1:33:53] Identifying missing content any outdated or unneeded content.

[1:33:57] We have stated all references North Carolina General to that huge approach to the adapters of the UDO and to our own audiences.

[1:34:05] Some minor edits have been done just to clean up work.

[1:34:08] We've also been careful to go through all of our documents to ensure we have inclusive language, part of our continuing focus on DDI,

[1:34:16] with our community, and then ensuring just to face the formatting throughout all of the documents.

[1:34:23] So, based on our past two discussions, I had just a couple of items to bring back to you

[1:34:28] with a little follow-up. One is smoking and vaping. Again, a reminder quickly on what our current

[1:34:34] town ordinances, it does prohibit smoking and town facilities and town vehicles. It does not

[1:34:40] prohibit tobacco use or vaping. And the current ordinance has some language that is no longer

[1:34:45] consistent with what is used by weak county and in some cases North Carolina general statutes.

[1:34:51] The last time we talked, there was some question about whether or not there was already a state statute that outlawed the use of smoking.

[1:35:00] Or tobacco products in public, just for clarification for you, this is 138496, which does prohibited in restaurants and bars, but it does not prohibit in other places.

[1:35:12] And then chapter 143 has a specific reference to state buildings, but no ordinance generally relating to businesses other than bars and restaurants, just for clarification.

[1:35:23] Looking at the White County ordinance, again, that was updated last November.

[1:35:28] They expanded their language to finding smoking, also expanded their smoking restrictions

[1:35:33] to additional county facilities and particularly to public places.

[1:35:37] So they now prohibit smoking, baking, and vaping, excuse me, and tobacco use similar to

[1:35:43] what we're proposing.

[1:35:44] They do not allow the use in any county facility or vehicle and not on county grounds, and

[1:35:50] It is not allowed in public places in unincorporated areas of the county, just some examples,

[1:35:55] banks, bowling alleys, gaming centers, grocery stores, movie theaters, all of those.

[1:36:00] And again, as we discussed last time, the majority of those owners, I think, prohibit that

[1:36:05] by choice, but now that choice doesn't exist as an option in the county in unincorporated

[1:36:10] areas.

[1:36:11] This is just to summary if you're interested of what the language is in there, I'm not

[1:36:16] going to take the time to read that to you, you've seen it in the packet, and we discussed

[1:36:19] previously. Again, very similar to what we're proposing.

[1:36:25] So you have a couple of options at this point.

[1:36:28] One would be to accept the updated ordinance as presented, and that would prohibit smoking,

[1:36:33] vaking, vaping, and tobacco use in our facilities, in our parks, and in vehicles.

[1:36:39] You could direct additional revisions to the smoking ordinance and address those revisions in the next

[1:36:44] round of updates coming later this year. Or if you chose to, you could direct changes now,

[1:36:49] and that would push back approval of this ordinance amendment packet to, I would say, at least March 28th.

[1:36:55] So I'm open to answer any questions you may have.

[1:37:00] I would click a question about the chart where there's the purple and the yellow with this match us to Rollsville.

[1:37:07] And that would be the purple all the way across.

[1:37:09] This would match us to Rollsville except for government grounds the way it's written right now.

[1:37:13] We did put it in our buildings, facilities and parks.

[1:37:17] Our ours drafted as it is right now does not address just on the grounds.

[1:37:21] outside the buildings. Correct. Correct. That's the clarification I was

[1:37:27] in. Any other questions on this item? Without any other, oh yeah,

[1:37:31] Councillor Morgaramela? Hello, by Councillor Morruffender. So, talking about the

[1:37:36] urban grounds, right? Like the parking lot.

[1:37:41] My question is, we'll be having

[1:37:43] street vest.

[1:37:47] So this allows them to smoke in the parking lot. They would

[1:37:51] Under this, be allowed to smoke in the parking lot, and, of course, in the street, which we don't typically control, we don't have the regulation of smoking in the street to my knowledge, but yeah, it would allow for smoking on our town grounds that are close to or a part of the event.

[1:38:07] of

[1:38:09] the streets to there.

[1:38:13] So, in short, when we have pound events,

[1:38:21] I understand the normal circumstances, they

[1:38:23] can prevent expression use kind of the thing that we have been doing.

[1:38:27] Is that it?

[1:38:30] So, we have control of that currently when we do things in our parks or on our own facilities,

[1:38:36] I think the challenge with something like Springfest or July 3rd is that you're mixing

[1:38:40] our property with the street and potentially with others.

[1:38:44] And again, as town green evolves, and that becomes, you know, sort of the more focal location

[1:38:50] that'll address some of your concern, because we get certainly prohibits smoking within

[1:38:54] the town center while the town green in the town center once we begin to transition events

[1:38:59] to there.

[1:39:02] Councilmember Fender, please.

[1:39:04] Yeah, I have a question regarding the government grounds.

[1:39:06] If we allow that, are there designated areas on the grounds that are smoking?

[1:39:15] We don't currently have designated areas.

[1:39:18] Yeah, I have an issue with that because, you know, if someone go there for group of people go outside,

[1:39:29] and they could be just standing around in front of a building.

[1:39:36] And I don't want to have to walk through that to get into the building

[1:39:44] And I've been in situations like that, and it's, I don't think anyone should have to be subject to this smoke.

[1:39:55] I mean, I don't know if, what the options are.

[1:40:00] Are with that? I mean, I think it's fine if you allow it on government grounds. There's a designated area away from doors that people would be going in and out of, or just ban it all together. I would be in favor of that. To be just like Rollsville, then you're eliminating the chance to cigarette butts all over the ground as well.

[1:40:28] So of the two, I would suggest if you want to consider one of the other, I would suggest not on grounds at all.

[1:40:35] I think creating smoking areas is great some of its own issues.

[1:40:40] So if you wanted to consider that, I would suggest you consider barring it from town,

[1:40:45] own property period.

[1:40:48] And we could certainly, if there's a consensus around that, could modify the language

[1:40:52] in the ordinance now simply expand it from

[1:40:56] in town facilities, parks,

[1:40:59] and to include on park or

[1:41:02] assume the on town property.

[1:41:05] My only, I mean, I would, I'm highly

[1:41:07] in favor of doing that, not only concern is for

[1:41:11] our employees, like if there's police officers

[1:41:17] or people working in the

[1:41:19] conversation with all the staff, where would they go?

[1:41:25] So you would, my expectation is it would end up like if you drive over towards Raleigh and

[1:41:32] go past one of the health care facilities, they walk out onto the sidewalk, off of the property

[1:41:36] of the hospital and smoke and you would likely, for the few that I think we have do that,

[1:41:42] you would push people to the sidewalk.

[1:41:47] So they could just go out on the sidewalk right here.

[1:41:50] off of town property out onto the public.

[1:41:55] How the other council members feel about that, but I'd be in favor of that

[1:41:59] option.

[1:42:03] All the way in, I'm very much interested in the public off the grounds, I want to be really

[1:42:08] sensitive though,

[1:42:14] but I think a medium might be, I know that the Convention Center in

[1:42:18] Raleigh says like, no smoking within 50, so that would be a way to avoid the issue of

[1:42:25] having to be exposed to smoke when you don't want to be.

[1:42:29] as a possible middle ground,

[1:42:35] or people chime in, I think we're going to have written.

[1:42:40] So I'm going to say the way in if I wish.

[1:42:43] I'm a Garamela.

[1:42:45] I think, you know, like, I'm okay with the way it is for now and if it gets bad, then we can

[1:42:52] come back and address it, you know.

[1:42:54] because there are pros and cons for doing that because

[1:43:01] town staff staying on the street

[1:43:11] and the

[1:43:11] ignition is not the right that they'll come up saying

[1:43:15] why can't you have it in parts?

[1:43:17] Why can't you have it in other areas? So that opens up whatever

[1:43:19] you can. So I think right now, you know, we can see if it gets

[1:43:26] back. Right. Then we can pick the next day when I

[1:43:34] So I agree this is step in the right direction, but I'm I also agree with the middle ground, but I'm we say 50 feet from an entrance and I don't think I want to see folks standing out on the sidewalk smoking either.

[1:43:50] And I think it will be hard to have a designated area so I'm also okay.

[1:43:55] Aren't you coming back Brandon again with updates on this in the near future?

[1:44:00] not on these items we expect to come back probably and I would say later this year could be this summer

[1:44:07] potentially with some other updates related to some parking issues that we're still doing some

[1:44:12] study but

[1:44:16] if you if I may if you wanted to address something that's different from what's in the

[1:44:22] draft ordinance you could do that tonight I believe when you and I'll let the town attorney correct me here

[1:44:27] but when you make your motion assuming you would do that if you make a motion to adopt the ordinance

[1:44:33] You could do that as amended and I could give you the language in advance that I would add to that section in regards to 50 feet away from any entrance.

[1:44:49] On the 50 feet, maybe.

[1:44:53] After we hear from council member of body.

[1:44:55] How will we designate the 50 feet?

[1:44:58] Just be general knowledge or will it?

[1:45:04] We could certainly put some signage at the entrances to our building. I think, generally, people will

[1:45:10] self-complie with that. I don't think we need to, to necessarily mark a 50 feet. If we felt that we were

[1:45:17] building issue, I think the initial would be to educate our staff, particularly, and to add some

[1:45:22] signage outside of our doors.

[1:45:28] Not making motion individually, we're going to do it all together, yeah.

[1:45:36] Okay, so if we approach you from that direction and here's that chart and I would put us purple all the way across with the exception of the public places

[1:45:44] In a sense in that we would prohibit a tune extent on government ground,

[1:45:54] so

[1:45:54] Okay, just very briefly you have not heard this before, but needed to just do a quick clarification with you in doing sort of a final run through on the ordinances

[1:46:04] is recognize that we had one inconsistency, we had not previously addressed.

[1:46:09] So our false alarm fines are included in the user fee schedule.

[1:46:14] And we don't normally do that with fines.

[1:46:16] We rely on the town ordinances to do that.

[1:46:19] But because this is applicable to so many people and because we want to make sure that

[1:46:23] we're transparent, it's been included in the user fee schedule.

[1:46:27] What we realized is that this is what's in the user fee schedule on the bottom half of

[1:46:32] And it's basically an escalating fee, so essentially the first three are freebies and then from four to five you get a fee and if it's six to seven

[1:46:40] You get a higher fee again trying to deter the false alarms

[1:46:44] But what we found is the current ordinance just references a single one hundred dollar civil penalty for false alarms so that doesn't quite line up

[1:46:53] So this is the current language on the top the civil penalty that talks about a one hundred dollar civil penalty, which can be recovered by the town

[1:47:01] So, on the bottom of that page, you will see what we're recommending changing, which is just removing the $100 reference and adding a line that the civil penalty to be assessed is included in the town's user fee schedule that is adopted annually by town council as a part of the adopted operating budget.

[1:47:21] I'm a garam all of this.

[1:47:22] So, I wanted to be more specific.

[1:47:32] I answered that as one of the three is because we're renting it out.

[1:47:40] So, those are generally, you know, that goes back to the HOA or the owner of the building.

[1:47:46] So, if you had three events with three different groups, that would be sort of three freebies.

[1:47:52] And if it went off a fourth time, then that would become a false alarm penalty.

[1:48:00] The approach is to put the emphasis on the owner of the building to educate and inform and hold people responsible that are utilizing the facility.

[1:48:10] It's respectfully who pulls the alarm doesn't change the response and the commitment of

[1:48:16] town resources to that.

[1:48:20] I think it this

[1:48:36] is not a new table, but I understand what you're saying and we can certainly

[1:48:53] we actually have a new newsletter that's going out to our HOAs.

[1:48:56] So we can use, we can certainly inform in that and make contact with other folks, we know might do anything else.

[1:49:02] Any other rental, like, you know, campers are like the other places.

[1:49:06] Yep.

[1:49:15] Thank you.

[1:49:16] Sir, this is for commercial residential HOA's apartments.

[1:49:20] Anyone that has a police alarm?

[1:49:23] Also fire alarms?

[1:49:25] Now, this is specifically related to police alarms.

[1:49:28] Fire alarms are covered separately in another ordinance.

[1:49:31] I don't know.

[1:49:38] Yeah.

[1:49:39] This is somebody you know pulls the door when he alarms on and it triggers.

[1:49:43] Yeah.

[1:49:45] Often it's my understanding like what they try to call the owner first.

[1:49:50] Correct.

[1:49:51] Correct.

[1:49:53] The buffer in there before.

[1:49:56] typically we're not, it's a town the police department is not the first contact, we're

[1:50:00] Typically, like the third.

[1:50:02] About educating the public.

[1:50:05] As a voice, then, we'll reach out.

[1:50:06] Yep.

[1:50:08] Any other questions about this one?

[1:50:11] Okay, thank you.

[1:50:15] So, we had talked about park use by organized groups.

[1:50:18] Again, appreciate your discussion and your feedback.

[1:50:22] So, have updated that to change it from required to rent the field to reserve the field.

[1:50:28] Again, we need that ability to track use and understand who's anticipating being there, but we will not charge a fee.

[1:50:35] We will simply ask them to reserve a view at the time that they want their event to occur.

[1:50:42] And again, this is just kind of showing you how we've made the update to the ordinance.

[1:50:46] So now talks about obtaining the proper town facility rental reservation rather than a paid reservation.

[1:50:53] And then just clarifies that there could be other applicable permits, especially if it's a special event, or depending on what if it involves a specific facility that's rented out, there could be a fee, but there won't be a fee related to just utilizing a field.

[1:51:10] I think that aligns with what you had asked us to address.

[1:51:14] Sir, Council Member Garamela.

[1:51:16] It's the only thing that a question is regarding resting as the resting feels all at the same time are like

[1:51:27] just a part of the next group, so I think you can then have a friend or I don't want to be in the way that all Marshal grounds are ready

[1:51:38] Right now, it's on a rotating basis and it's, you know, because not every field is the same depending on how it's constructed and where it exists with the

[1:51:47] the water and all. So no, it is never like no, no fields are open. This weekend is one field might not be open on a given day.

[1:51:54] And that's where we will advertise.

[1:51:58] We will do our best, yes.

[1:52:00] And we'll have the ability to walk out, you know, those sections in the reservation system.

[1:52:07] Okay.

[1:52:09] Any other questions on that one?

[1:52:12] All right. You'd ask me to follow up a little bit on parking left side to curb.

[1:52:17] So, again, here's the curtain ordinance, 58-95, no vehicle.

[1:52:22] She'll stop or park with its left side to the curb in any residential or commercial area,

[1:52:27] except that on one way streets vehicles, she'll stop headed in the direction of traffic.

[1:52:32] So, again, that is largely a safety matter because you don't want somebody pulling off

[1:52:36] to the left when they try to pull out their pulling into oncoming or having to cross over

[1:52:40] oncoming traffic.

[1:52:42] It's much safer to be on the right side of the street and pull into your own lane

[1:52:45] travel. So did, well, I won't say I did, our police department did some research and was kind

[1:52:52] of enough to provide it to me. This is what the parking citations looked like for 2021 and

[1:52:57] 22 calendar year. So total parking citations was 197 and 2020, 360 and 2021 and 365 and 2022.

[1:53:09] Obviously, well, I won't say obviously, the 2020 number is related to COVID.

[1:53:14] just there wasn't as much enforcement and other things occurring so each of those years you can see the percentage of the citations for left side of curve versus the total

[1:53:24] So in 2020 there was about 58 percent of citations issued for left of curve parking 51 percent in 21 44 percent in 22 for a 49 percent average of the citations that are issued.

[1:53:40] So, our recommended version of Chapter 58 does not include a change to this section.

[1:53:46] I know there have been some questions about when there's being issued and why there's being issued.

[1:53:50] So, the options I would propose to you, you can leave the ordinance as it is, and we would continue to prohibit parking left side to curb.

[1:53:57] You could request additional research by staff and include this in the next round of ordinance updates this year.

[1:54:03] Or you could direct changes now, and that would likely push back our approval to at least March 28, similar to the last issue we discussed.

[1:54:13] Robin Johnson, please, followed by Councilmember Garmo.

[1:54:16] Thank you.

[1:54:18] I, for the most part, agree with the, you know, parking on the proper side of the road.

[1:54:25] I think it helps with safety.

[1:54:28] It helps with our, our buses, school buses going along roads and so forth like that.

[1:54:33] know there are some neighborhoods that have very have alleys and that kind of a challenge finding

[1:54:42] proper parking. I would wonder what is the second highest parking violation because you just

[1:54:50] gave us a chart that's talked about specifically this issue, but is there a predominantly,

[1:54:58] it, you know.

[1:55:00] Other kind of violation that's popping up in the parking violations so that just to educate us and make the public aware as well.

[1:55:10] So this is the predominant one obviously, as you can see from the percentages like it wins out.

[1:55:16] So there is no sort of clear second if you will.

[1:55:19] There are a number of different violations that get smaller percentages.

[1:55:23] And so some of those are parking in handicap zone, parking in parking zone, parking too close to the curb, blocking a hydrant, any number of different violations that get enforced.

[1:55:35] Yeah, there's no clear, this is the second one. The other thing I would share is that this enforcement occurs across the town.

[1:55:42] So the police department was good in providing me a map of where it's done, and I think I counted 13 or 14 different communities or neighborhoods where this occurs.

[1:55:50] And so this is not focused in any one neighborhood, it's it's and it's across the town. I mean, it's from north the southeast to west and and pretty evenly spread out based on population and any one of those neighborhoods. This is not a

[1:56:05] We're only going there to take care of it. It's across the town for safety concerns. That's helpful. Thank you very much.

[1:56:11] Just me.

[1:56:12] Can't remember Garam L of this?

[1:56:14] Yeah, for me.

[1:56:15] I would say, like, you know, request additional research because my whole theory about this

[1:56:19] one is if you look at it, it's almost like 50 percent and understand the safety, understand

[1:56:25] the need of it, but when our neighboring towns are not doing it, there might be a reason why

[1:56:31] they're not doing it either.

[1:56:33] You know, Kerry doesn't do it.

[1:56:35] effects has only one area that they do it and so I don't know, I don't think around those

[1:56:40] it too. So,

[1:56:44] by and I'm very much a mixed bag that can carry more so and go around so

[1:56:49] I'd like, you know, and most of the times I'm seeing like the people who are getting are

[1:56:55] who are coming first time into more so or not aware of it, you know, and I've seen a lot of people

[1:57:04] appeal and those opinions are all being rejected none of them have been successful there.

[1:57:11] So what are we achieving out of it?

[1:57:14] That's the key where I feel like a safety is one, but at the same time, it's a drain

[1:57:20] on MPD with this data that they had to go police and give tickets and then go through that whole

[1:57:30] For me, it's like, by the time I'm not doing and you also sort of like not killing a different stretch, it doesn't require that too, you know, it's not mandatory in there.

[1:57:45] So understand the safety, understand everything, but when our neighboring council not doing it, why are we forcing it?

[1:57:51] Well, so I think some of our neighbors are doing it. Again, I think that some have different levels of, and you saw that in an email I shared with you in regards to this.

[1:58:01] So there are different levels or different approaches to the enforcement.

[1:58:08] And again, look at Carrie and Apex. I have not looked at Durham. I know that Gardner enforces this as an example.

[1:58:14] And again, the other thing that I would suggest is if you look at it, as you initially look at it, I think 160 may seem like a big number.

[1:58:22] But that's one citation every other day over the course of the year, and that's also spread out again over 13 or 14 neighborhoods.

[1:58:31] So you might get one ticket issued in your neighborhood a month in any given neighborhood a month.

[1:58:38] There might be one citation issued over the course of those that leads to this 160-ish, you know, every other day number.

[1:58:46] But here what you're saying, but I think it is, it is a safety concern, you know, and in terms of the burden, you know, sometimes these are occurring, based on complaints, sometimes these are occurring during just routine.

[1:59:00] So I understand it could appear to be a burden.

[1:59:03] I think it's just part of their job responsibility,

[1:59:08] but understand it's workload.

[1:59:10] And other things also, where when the ticket is given, I got several phone calls regarding this, and I know it's all across.

[1:59:20] It's not targeted to any internet and fairly so, is it enough to know if their points are getting added to the insurance.

[1:59:29] And many times I had to say, like, just go paid, it is more pound audience and it's not going and hitting the DMV points or this kind of thing.

[1:59:37] I think that's a good point, parking tickets are not reported to DMV.

[1:59:42] This is a town parking ticket with a civil penalty.

[1:59:45] This does not impact insurance.

[1:59:47] This is not going to driver's history.

[1:59:50] Yeah, and so that is one of the major anxiety that people first get.

[1:59:55] Oh my god, you know, like this is happening.

[1:59:57] And rest of the other ones, I'm 100%.

[2:00:00] We're talking in front of fire hydrant. We'll give it. You know, like near the curb or, you know, where, you know, like fire access is stopped or blocking someone's driving, 100% but this is for me is like, you know, I understand it, but is there any some flex there? So that looking at 50, almost 50% of the tickets are based on that. What is the middle ground, what can we do, you know, like.

[2:00:31] Council member, please.

[2:00:34] I just want to reiterate that,

[2:00:38] Brandon said it's a safety issue.

[2:00:41] Parking on the wrong side of the road is a safety issue.

[2:00:46] And it's not something that is,

[2:00:50] I mean it's pretty universal anywhere you go.

[2:00:53] I mean, I don't care if

[2:00:56] County Carey doesn't do it, it's pretty universal across the United States in different states, different towns that you don't park on the wrong side of the road.

[2:01:08] So for us to be like, lacks about that, you're introducing more risk of a kid riding his bike and getting run over.

[2:01:18] So, I'm pretty against trying to change that ordinance.

[2:01:24] I know in my neighborhood right now, we already have so many issues with people parking

[2:01:30] in the wrong places, people speeding through our neighborhood as the chief heard the complaint

[2:01:38] about before, to add one more digital risk in the met is not something I want to see occur in our

[2:01:50] town. I'm very much opposed to changing that. There's a reason why that ordinance is there.

[2:01:58] And if it's an educational issue, then we need to do that. But it's not some anomaly. It's pretty

[2:02:06] universal.

[2:02:11] I'm going to remind you what is the

[2:02:14] fine for this particular.

[2:02:18] looked it up.

[2:02:19] I'm going to have to look it up.

[2:02:21] I don't know.

[2:02:24] It's minimal.

[2:02:27] It's

[2:02:28] $50.

[2:02:29] It's not $500.

[2:02:31] It's it's yeah.

[2:02:34] So

[2:02:34] and maybe we have done this before.

[2:02:37] And I've forgotten it or not seen it, but our police department is really fabulous at doing educational videos.

[2:02:47] Is this one that we can ask them to emphasize and they've probably done one before.

[2:02:53] I think we have the right person in the room to say we could make that happen.

[2:02:57] Pete, that was a yes.

[2:02:59] Whenever it's appropriate, that might help to these folks that are, I really said it doesn't help

[2:03:07] the people at a town because they're not glued into our social media and what we're doing in town,

[2:03:15] but I'm okay with leaving this alone too. This has been in place longer than 2020 though,

[2:03:22] right? Oh yeah, this is just, I'm just giving you an example of the last three years and I was

[2:03:25] and place for a while.

[2:03:30] It would be open to seeing some of this data as we move through in the next

[2:03:37] six months, twelve months, whatever, and see if these numbers grow or not. I don't have

[2:03:46] not three or three years, don't give me all that. It is like 50%. They kind of go up and down.

[2:03:54] So maybe that'll change over time too, so.

[2:04:00] But I too am in favor of just meeting it as is.

[2:04:03] If you want to bring back some more information about what the other ones are,

[2:04:08] just that of curiosity would be good.

[2:04:10] One thing that, at least Department has done in the past,

[2:04:13] is they had it don't get noticed campaign.

[2:04:16] When people let the garage doors open and things like that.

[2:04:19] So when Chief Andrews brought this forward at the first time,

[2:04:22] there was a couple of months of education.

[2:04:23] And maybe, radically, we can go through that again with a video, maybe instead of a ticket,

[2:04:30] put something to windshield saying, this is something,

[2:04:35] or educational, especially if you

[2:04:37] don't want to go ahead and make sure that our residents tell our visitors, oh, you should

[2:04:43] really shen park that way when I have contractors come over, I tell them so that they don't

[2:04:47] get a ticket.

[2:04:49] So, about the education and trying to help people along.

[2:04:52] Yeah, I agree with the education, I think the other thing you'll see is if we step up that education

[2:04:57] you'll see fewer and fewer people do it.

[2:05:00] And the less that people see others doing it, they'll maybe recognize that, oh, wait a minute, nobody else is parked like this, maybe I'm not supposed to.

[2:05:11] Member Tom Jones, just along those lines, the education you mentioned, the HOA newsletter, this might be one of those topics to reinforce with our HOA, so that they can share it with their neighborhoods.

[2:05:24] Bill is nodding his head in the back, so absolutely.

[2:05:31] Bring us back some more information, which is one of the options.

[2:05:34] Sure, I'll provide you with that.

[2:05:36] Maybe outside of the meeting, she'd process that and we can discuss it if you feel we need to.

[2:05:41] That's probably okay.

[2:05:43] Yeah.

[2:05:44] My thing is, I understand the safety, but if it was mandatory, why didn't I tell them I don't do it.

[2:05:54] Why are only certain towns doing it?

[2:05:56] Understand.

[2:05:58] I like that.

[2:06:00] The general rule is if you are a parking friend of the 500, but that is universal all across.

[2:06:05] So, why is this not mandated? And by time, so that's the confusion is what it is.

[2:06:14] It's like when people come and go.

[2:06:16] Okay, thank you. All right. So, that was our last sort of follow-up item. So, just sort

[2:06:25] of want to remind you of what the highest highlight, what some of the changes are that you're

[2:06:28] being asked to approve tonight. So, we changed alcohol and parks being part of our special

[2:06:34] that process. We have designated, you have designated political activity to be allowed in

[2:06:39] plot organized groups required to reserve a field, not rent, but reserve a field for use

[2:06:45] of open park space. Parades are an part of the special event process, well group demonstrations

[2:06:50] and picket lines are handled by the police department. Spoking, including vaping and other

[2:06:56] tobacco, is restricted in town parks, and also within now 50 feet of an entrance to

[2:07:02] town facility, a commercial vehicle parking has been restricted on main thoroughfares on a case

[2:07:07] by case basis, but commercial vehicle parking has been restricted on all town streets. I'm

[2:07:15] happy to answer any other questions or might be based on any of that.

[2:07:21] The previous slide, one, especially the commercial vehicles, how many of you do the education

[2:07:27] or that, because it might be out of state, you know, like this license is a pocket anywhere

[2:07:35] they come and they do. So the commercial parking on main thoroughfares is pretty straightforward

[2:07:41] because it's all being marked as no parking. So that's sort of a sort of a no-brainer.

[2:07:48] There's, for example, across from the pauses there near food line, you know, that was clearly

[2:07:54] Mark does no parking, that seems to have addressed those issues.

[2:07:58] So that sort of takes care of on the main thoroughfares.

[2:08:01] For the parking on all town streets, there'll be an educational effort by the police department.

[2:08:05] There's several things we're going to be talking about.

[2:08:07] Again, we'll also push that out to HOA's and remind them of that.

[2:08:11] And I think I can safely say, we'll have an education period before we start enforcing that.

[2:08:18] That's good, because we want to be fair and awake.

[2:08:21] Correct.

[2:08:22] Correct.

[2:08:22] Thank you.

[2:08:27] I just had a quick follow-up on the smoking.

[2:08:34] That'd be staff's recommendation.

[2:08:40] I mean, I think that's a reasonable distance to ensure that, you know, you're far enough away that if someone doesn't want to be near you, they can find a way to the door by themselves.

[2:08:54] I have nothing else for you.

[2:08:56] Other questions?

[2:08:58] I'd entertain a motion to adopt this.

[2:09:01] Mayor, if I could, I'm sorry, I didn't interrupt you, but just remember that you also

[2:09:05] want to indicate that you're also acknowledging the 50 feet within a door for town grounds.

[2:09:10] As a part of this, it's not listed there at Paul Dough that didn't have that prior.

[2:09:14] All right, exactly.

[2:09:15] So, thank you.

[2:09:16] Thank you.

[2:09:17] Correct.

[2:09:18] Do you like to make that motion?

[2:09:21] Okay.

[2:09:21] Council member Garmel?

[2:09:22] I put it.

[2:09:23] Motion.

[2:09:24] and to adopt RNN-2023-060, the Marshal Town Council, I'm ending the table of contents

[2:09:34] and chapter 1, 2, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 46, 50, 54, 56, 68, 66, and 67 of the Marshal

[2:09:52] the ground, code of ordinance, including the smoking 50 feet away from the ground.

[2:10:00] On behalf of the Government Office.

[2:10:04] Second, all those in favour please say aye.

[2:10:08] And you pose.

[2:10:09] Second, thank you.

[2:10:10] Thank you.

[2:10:13] Second, thank you.

[2:10:15] Second, thank you.

[2:10:16] Second, thank you.

[2:10:19] Second, thank you.

[2:10:19] Going back

[2:10:29] into order.

[2:10:30] At this time, I'd like to recognize Mark Spanioli, director of engineering.

[2:10:33] You will facilitate our final action item of the evening.

[2:10:38] evening mayor council members for the record marks manually director of engineering.

[2:10:43] Tonight we have an update and brief for the tertiary parks off-mot project.

[2:10:48] Save in the best for last this evening.

[2:10:52] Just a little bit of background.

[2:10:54] In December 2021 the town entered into a development and use agreement with major league cricket folks.

[2:11:01] In preparation for the hosting of cricket sport events at the tertiary parks north lot.

[2:11:07] and then Prumus to the SoftLot, an April of 2022, the Town Passive Resolution,

[2:11:12] authorizing us to enter into an agreement for design build, the delivery of this type of project.

[2:11:18] In July of the same year, we passed a resolution authorizing meter construction to start the phase

[2:11:23] one of the design build, which is the dying phase of the project for not to exceed 200,000.

[2:11:28] And in December of 2022, the Town Passive Resolution authorizing meter construction to continue on with the project

[2:11:34] and commends to a for up to a million dollars to get started with portions of the project,

[2:11:40] which include the parking lot, the practice pitches,

[2:11:43] the fact we're going to associate an infrastructure.

[2:11:48] Here's a current overview of our project, just to go over some of the details,

[2:11:53] to the top part of the pages are existing cricket field,

[2:11:56] and actually you can see some of the proposed improvements on the backside of the field.

[2:11:59] You have some of the new bleachers and so forth,

[2:12:03] but honing in on to the soft lot itself.

[2:12:04] You've got two volleyball courts proposed, sand volleyball, one multi-sport court in between the volleyball and the practice pitches.

[2:12:12] You've got six practice pitches proposed, two basketball courts, a restroom building with a shelter that provides for 18 picnic tables,

[2:12:22] the parking lot, and all the associated sidewalks, walkways, underground utilities, and the Stonewater Control measure on the very left-hand side of the screen.

[2:12:33] So I just wanted to go over a little bit about our phasing.

[2:12:35] When we did come to you in December with our phase 2A,

[2:12:39] this was to get the phase 2A started.

[2:12:41] This was to get some of the work commences,

[2:12:43] so we can try to keep on schedule for our July deadline

[2:12:46] to have all this completed.

[2:12:47] This shows kind of a breakdown of the two,

[2:12:50] but I did want to emphasize that the million dollars at this point

[2:12:55] gets a starter with phase 2A,

[2:12:56] but we would have to allocate some more funds

[2:12:58] to complete the rest of the practice pitches

[2:13:01] parking lot and then the overall project, obviously, would be the phase 2B and everything

[2:13:05] else associated with the program of the project.

[2:13:07] So here you can see the kind of the general breakdown of that.

[2:13:13] So, if I'm project status, phase 2A is on the construction and we started some construction

[2:13:18] surveying and utility locates, you'll start to see some real hard physical construction

[2:13:23] and upcoming days, phase 2B is in the final permitting stages and has been bid by the design

[2:13:31] And again, phase 2 being includes remainder of the work required to complete the parking lot at the practice pitches as well as the all the programming for the park.

[2:13:40] And we have a total project cost based on the complete design now so we're going to go over that momentarily.

[2:13:49] But just a quick refresher. In the end of 2021, we did pass the capital project ordinance for this project.

[2:13:57] It did have allocations for both what I'll call the North Lot,

[2:14:01] what we're doing the remaining expansion,

[2:14:03] because we lost the South Lot.

[2:14:04] And if you break down the South Lot,

[2:14:06] you had approximately 2,000 designated for design,

[2:14:09] and $2 million and $50,000 designated for construction.

[2:14:13] That was the budget that was set back in the 2021.

[2:14:20] So based on our current plans and design build bid results,

[2:14:24] we have a total cost for phase two A at $2 million.

[2:14:29] Our phase 2B is at 2.5 million bringing the total project costs to 4.5 million dollars to provide the entire program for the soft lot.

[2:14:40] And we'll get into some of the details in a minute.

[2:14:46] So just comparing where we were from a budgetary standpoint, back at the end of 2021,

[2:14:51] like I said earlier, we had allocated 2.5 million to 50,000 for the construction phase.

[2:14:57] Our current bid results are coming in at 4.5 million.

[2:15:00] And so we're having a budget shortfall of almost 2.5 million dollars.

[2:15:06] It's to go over some of the general project cost breakdown in details.

[2:15:10] And these are sort of order of magnitude. There are a lot more detail breakdown in our

[2:15:17] actual bid results. But just to kind of summarize in a large number, this gives you a general

[2:15:21] feel and thought of how much things cost. The parking lots about 300,000, the practice

[2:15:25] pitches are 600,000 sidewalks at 275.

[2:15:30] The rest of the Michelle Perbuilding is at 725.

[2:15:33] Your electrical and sport court lighting, which is the musco highlights are 450,000.

[2:15:38] You're cycling grading 300,000, your various sports courts,

[2:15:42] site work and walkways are a little over a million.

[2:15:46] Your construction administration overheading profits at 600,000,

[2:15:49] and then your other insurance bonds and contingency ads

[2:15:51] up to about just under 200,000.

[2:15:57] So since my last update in December, we've had some project cost impacts that we wanted to talk about a little bit here.

[2:16:04] The design was still evolving at that time to try to finish up all the programming needs and

[2:16:11] and amenities that were required for the part.

[2:16:13] So the practice pitches were expanded to meet the needs of Major League Cricket.

[2:16:17] We had to continue doing research along the way, and we determined that larger pitches would be required.

[2:16:24] The location of the practice pitches was swapped with the location of the shelter building.

[2:16:30] This allowed for the expansion of practice pitches but also required some additional land grading and work on the ground.

[2:16:39] We extended the restroom building to accommodate additional storage and also accommodate 18 table shelter area, covered shelter area.

[2:16:47] We added some double doors to the courts.

[2:16:50] We added a considerable amount of heavy-duty grass paper from the shelter to the basketball court to support vehicles traveling through the property.

[2:16:57] It was also extended, extensive use of heavy-duty concrete to support vehicles to pass in and out of the property on the concrete walkways.

[2:17:06] And back in December when I did, when I did come to the council, the design bill team had not fully vetted the design.

[2:17:12] And we have, we have nine details, so the estimate was,

[2:17:21] we have had some, some of the same market factor

[2:17:24] cost issues that we had in Fire Station 3.

[2:17:26] As you know, we did do the original budget back in October of 2021,

[2:17:31] so that was some time ago.

[2:17:32] You've had material labor and fuel cost escalations.

[2:17:36] The escalations have continued to increase

[2:17:38] from October of 2021 to now.

[2:17:40] We do have some reports from associated general contractors,

[2:17:43] which is a press release that comes out that validates some of these cost increases nationwide.

[2:17:49] And we did, we did still throughout the design conduct value engineering exercises,

[2:17:53] and we, without compromising the program requirements,

[2:17:57] we were able to value engineer out $250,000 of costs.

[2:18:02] And Genie made sure that I should say this,

[2:18:04] out loud that these project overdoses,

[2:18:07] if they're approved, will impact alignment and resources to our capital improvement project update.

[2:18:14] All right. Moving into Project Schedule, we've got to

[2:18:18] anticipate finishing the Phase 2A construction in July, and in

[2:18:21] accordance with our agreement. Phase 2B contract award, if

[2:18:25] everything goes as planned, would be scheduled for April of 2023.

[2:18:30] And we'll be completed with the entire project in the winter of

[2:18:33] this year. We're moving along at a good pace.

[2:18:41] So our recommendation is to proceed with the remainder of the

[2:18:47] By awarding the construction contract and approving the capital project,

[2:18:51] awarding its amendment,

[2:18:53] I submitted in your package.

[2:18:56] Questions you may have?

[2:18:59] Council Member Garamel, please follow by Council Member Body.

[2:19:02] Thanks, Mark, for the presentation.

[2:19:04] Can you go back to slide where there's a change of scope?

[2:19:10] So when I hear a read this,

[2:19:12] like practice, which is where I expanded to meet the needs of

[2:19:17] me.

[2:19:18] I page to a full page, right?

[2:19:21] I'm not that familiar with half and full, but it went from a certain length to a longer length.

[2:19:25] It may have been considered half and full, I'm not that familiar with half and full, like 22 yards and like you know that.

[2:19:31] So was that in the MOU when they started that half or full were they not clear, because there's a dimension creep, you know, that's where I'm coming down to it.

[2:19:41] So I'd have to go back and verify the exact language.

[2:19:44] I know it talks about practice pitches, that would support the major league cricket, but

[2:19:50] whether it's at half or full, I can't remember.

[2:19:52] There's really practice pitches all across the world, I don't even have.

[2:19:56] That's that's pretty much the defector, you know, that they do.

[2:19:59] So, the reason...

[2:20:00] And if we go back one slide with the cost,

[2:20:07] what I'm trying to see is what was our commitment to and our commitment to AIS was parking lot and the rest of our, what we as a council wanted as additional things.

[2:20:24] Correct. So I have no issues with the additional things that we

[2:20:29] now wanted, because that is to make it more difficult and further.

[2:20:35] The concern I have is, is put 1.2 per million. It did value engineering.

[2:20:42] It did their budget. They didn't go over and beyond their 1.25.

[2:20:48] So just a minor correction there. When the final bits came in for the many expansion

[2:20:54] project, their contribution ended up being more than 1.25 million. I want to say it was about 1.35,

[2:21:02] but I don't have the exact 100,000. Yeah, I'm just, yeah, it ended up being a little bit more,

[2:21:06] just for a long time. So sort of thing is for us, it's like

[2:21:12] committed to something,

[2:21:16] RV in that budget, I want to like, you know, ensure that we are, I don't want to go higher than what we

[2:21:23] promise them because they are not going either. So the rest of the other things, I'm totally fine

[2:21:30] because those are our amenities for our people and they will enjoy that.

[2:21:37] And how can we basically

[2:21:39] put an indirect I want to say, what is it I'm with you? So that this is what we said and this is

[2:21:48] more, so now we can probably be glad about that.

[2:21:52] Yeah, so the MOU was, my recollection was somewhat generic.

[2:21:58] It's spoke about the practice pitches and the parking lot.

[2:22:01] There was a side plan that was included.

[2:22:03] There was amended.

[2:22:04] And one of the updates that we did a few months ago.

[2:22:09] But we actually, at that time, we actually reduced the number parking

[2:22:13] the original side plan had a certain amount of parking.

[2:22:15] I think it was 90 something we went down to 60.

[2:22:19] It was accepted by ACE.

[2:22:20] On the practice pitch side, it was just a generic drawing

[2:22:23] and a shorter like a rectangle.

[2:22:25] It didn't specify.

[2:22:29] And I hear that.

[2:22:32] So my main concern is they have also gone down in there,

[2:22:38] because the press release had 2000 or something.

[2:22:41] And now they're doing only 1,300.

[2:22:44] So, I think, I don't want to get shortchange as simple as I can say, you know, I want

[2:22:49] fair and equal that what are they doing, because for us, it's overhead costs.

[2:22:59] And I don't see a 20% increase on their side because you're saying it's less than 100,000

[2:23:07] and person compared to hours like 20, 25,

[2:23:10] but as a whole, so we put them to add more on their side,

[2:23:17] because they promised something,

[2:23:19] but they're valiant here and on theirs to give us a little bit.

[2:23:23] I'm sure we can.

[2:23:26] I think the administration would be happy to ask the ace

[2:23:29] to contribute more.

[2:23:32] And we can certainly take that back.

[2:23:34] We're paying, you know,

[2:23:36] for over there in Boston, and then we're locked in for 10 years.

[2:23:40] Good.

[2:23:41] What is that?

[2:23:45] First of all, we're talking to Shonson, followed by Councilman Robotic.

[2:23:48] Thank you.

[2:23:52] This is kind of doubling the price of what our original estimate was last year.

[2:24:01] Not unexpected as all the increases.

[2:24:05] The fact is pitch.

[2:24:06] If that is double what we originally estimated that I agree with Councilman Robotic,

[2:24:12] You know, that is an unanticipated requirement, and it should be renegotiated as far as how that is supported by each of the parties.

[2:24:25] So I think that in and of itself is one example of where the requirements did change.

[2:24:37] Happy to see the timeline included the full scope of the project by the end of this year.

[2:24:43] It's a concern, it's with the doubling of the cost, fighting our own town, residents, the

[2:24:52] amenities that we were careful about, providing to them with the courts and the multi-use.

[2:25:00] Now, as we're building this other support for the cricket,

[2:25:11] why we are reinforcing the courts and some of the areas for

[2:25:21] not just parking perhaps, but is it, are you reinforcing them in the basketball courts or in the walkway so they can have food trucks or?

[2:25:30] It's primarily for maintenance access, not only for public works, but also for the combination of public works having to be able to get to all these areas of the park in vehicles.

[2:25:44] And then there is some of the uses for ACE near the parking lot and the practice pitch is getting vehicles in and out there for special events is a combination.

[2:25:53] is

[2:26:00] this an arch of eligible project or is this general fund or is this a

[2:26:20] better

[2:26:21] the options give it answer you know I think I think she might I know is a CPOA in the

[2:26:28] back but I'm not sure if it's so yeah so primarily the funds are coming from Parkland

[2:26:39] even in the loop, but that will impact other projects that were estimated in your CIP, your

[2:26:47] current existing CIP, primarily the Church Street Country Creek Network.

[2:26:52] So we'll have to re-align that as part of this next update, re-balance those funding sources

[2:26:58] potential, and the other small pieces coming from it is we had some bond premium that was

[2:27:05] was available that we were able to pull.

[2:27:08] But primarily, it's part of the pain in my life.

[2:27:10] Great, thank you very much.

[2:27:14] Body, please.

[2:27:15] So it's not actually clear to me that it was ace

[2:27:18] that told us that we needed to double the size

[2:27:21] of the practice agency.

[2:27:23] How exactly was that determined?

[2:27:25] So just to be clear, it didn't double the size.

[2:27:28] It grew by about 30% of this, sorry.

[2:27:31] I guess an engineer in me, I can't help but to at least get

[2:27:33] the number right.

[2:27:34] But it was a combination of these promoting that because they bring some experience from outside that we don't.

[2:27:46] And then we went and actually confirmed our parks department checked with some of the other places like in Texas and stuff that they're developing these fields to try to get information whether it made sense to put the bigger picture not.

[2:27:59] I don't know enough about the sport I'll be on, so I don't have a lot of those details,

[2:28:03] but I would say Ace was probably in the front seat of making that request and then we kind of

[2:28:10] work together to figure out if it made sense for our project if we're going to

[2:28:14] promote majorly cricket at the space. Okay, and then there were, were there, design costs associated

[2:28:22] with swapping the restroom building and the pitches to accommodate the larger pitches.

[2:28:28] There is a request for a small amount of designing crease costs, but it's for the property in general because we made a lot of adjustments not just that.

[2:28:39] Okay, so speaking of the other adjustments, where did the request for just an 18 table picnic shelter come from? That is a huge picnic gift shelter.

[2:28:51] So that came from the Parks Department as part of their programming.

[2:28:55] It's becoming, I guess, more common place to have shelters with the picnic tables.

[2:29:01] Then we're to the shelter we have at Morrisville Community Park.

[2:29:03] Apparently those are well reserved and well used.

[2:29:06] So there was a request and a desire to have that shelter space.

[2:29:10] I don't know, you know, I'm not into the park side of it.

[2:29:12] So I'm all the details of that, but that there was a request from the parks for that.

[2:29:14] So what was the difference in cost between the original planned

[2:29:19] restrooms and shelter and the current 18, 18 picked a table shelter.

[2:29:25] If my memory doesn't fail me, the original cost estimate for the building was half as much.

[2:29:36] I 100% agree with Council Member Garamela that any changes that were instituted by ace

[2:29:42] that were not part of the original design. I think they should pay for.

[2:29:50] I'm not sure what to say

[2:29:51] this thing has doubled in cost. I understand market conditions, but I don't, we literally

[2:30:00] Early can not afford to do one thing that's not in that contract.

[2:30:04] I mean,

[2:30:08] I think this is pretty appalling, actually.

[2:30:12] And there's nothing else on this list. Okay, so the picture table came from Parks and Rec.

[2:30:20] I get that. I mean, there's nothing else really on this list that we can, that we can conceivably do without, is that correct?

[2:30:31] And if you want to maintain the programming as displayed in the site plan, you could not.

[2:30:39] At this point, we've, you know, part of the value engineering we did was we looked at every

[2:30:44] detail we could and it's harder with courts, like if you have a building you can change finishes

[2:30:49] and try to cut costs there, but with like sport courts, there's not a lot of cutting.

[2:30:54] It's, you know, it's a coffee slimy, but you're surfacing on it.

[2:30:56] There isn't a lot of like options for it to be to work.

[2:31:00] So we went in and tried to make adjustments everywhere we could to reduce costs here at this

[2:31:08] property.

[2:31:09] And you said, I'm sorry, the cost breakdown.

[2:31:12] Is there a breakdown or the courts broken out in these in the, I don't have it with me on

[2:31:20] the slides.

[2:31:21] But we do have the, this is like a very, a bridge version of a very, like, no, I'm sure.

[2:31:27] I just, I mean, I hate to even float this balloon.

[2:31:30] but I feel like we're there like it's a shame because what the people that actually live here

[2:31:36] are getting out of this is the courts and those amenities, but I mean, you know, should we

[2:31:43] look at maybe not doing the sport court? I mean, does that get us any kind of return? I mean,

[2:31:52] I don't love any other, but I'm, I mean,

[2:31:58] okay, all right, I guess that's everything. It doesn't

[2:32:01] look like there's anything to do about it. Thank you.

[2:32:08] I'll go follow by Councilman Rao.

[2:32:11] I guess on this slide, a separate question, where it says pitches?

[2:32:16] Yes. What is that large length space?

[2:32:20] Right, of the pitches?

[2:32:21] Where it says pitches?

[2:32:22] Oh, the actual word, it's green area.

[2:32:24] That's a nice green space.

[2:32:28] And the picnic tables, how does that compare to the Marsville community

[2:32:32] in the park shelter, do we have 18?

[2:32:35] Unforable size, it might be bigger.

[2:32:38] I don't know how many there are.

[2:32:39] There are a lot of tables there.

[2:32:40] Could we, if anybody know how many tables are there?

[2:32:43] I mean,

[2:32:47] about the same.

[2:32:48] It might be about the same, 99, really nice.

[2:32:50] There's a lot of tables there, yeah.

[2:32:52] So just to refresh a little bit,

[2:32:55] I thought one of the attractions of design build

[2:32:57] was you lock in a price,

[2:33:00] 21, lock something in,

[2:33:03] but then we changed it, and things changed.

[2:33:07] So the lock-in happens when the design is completed.

[2:33:12] So once the design is completed, then because it's at the point where we entered into the original agreement with them,

[2:33:19] all we had was a budget estimate that we developed.

[2:33:21] So you can't lock in the general guaranteed maximum price until you've got the design.

[2:33:26] So what that means for us is if we lock in this price, there won't be change orders along the way.

[2:33:31] on a conventional project, you get your base fit and then you can still have various

[2:33:36] changes where it has happened throughout the process of construction.

[2:33:39] But once you lock in this price, this is what they've got to build the project with this

[2:33:43] programming even if it costs some twice as much.

[2:33:47] Are we in the position that we can only lock to a hour, can we lock to a and to b?

[2:33:53] We're in a position with the information we have from contractor to lock in both when we're ready.

[2:33:58] We're ready to do that.

[2:34:01] important thing to think about. One on the pricing slide said sport court lighting

[2:34:09] all the courts, including the sand volleyball, are going to be lit. Yes. All the courts.

[2:34:15] That's be really clear about that. This is for all the courts. Yes. Only the sport court.

[2:34:20] Yeah, I mean the all the courts and that's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point.

[2:34:27] Are the pitches lit, sir?

[2:34:30] Yes.

[2:34:32] And the cost, what do you think is pitch cost, lighting in?

[2:34:38] Yes.

[2:34:39] The pitches have their own lighting, netting, fencing.

[2:34:56] Those were my questions.

[2:34:58] Thank you very much.

[2:35:02] Just with the, um, I just want to clarify that by the end of the project, the two basketball courts will be completed, right? Yes.

[2:35:12] Two basketball courts. Okay. All right.

[2:35:14] What you see in this slide here.

[2:35:17] I'm going to ask about two basketball courts, two sand volleyball, one multi-sport court, the restroom shelter building,

[2:35:24] practice pitches, parking lot and associated infrastructure utilities and

[2:35:29] Okay, and then we renovated our shadow basketball court. So we'll have three that's gonna be that's that's right that prodigy's actually out to bid now

[2:35:36] Okay, great

[2:35:38] And the multi-sport could be

[2:35:40] Those were you could just do different sports on there, right? That's right. It'll have markings for various sports including I think we're

[2:35:47] Yes, I think basketball is included as a third

[2:35:50] Okay, thank you

[2:35:55] Don't say followed by a councilman

[2:35:57] So I I'm I'm the NAACO council member of bodies

[2:36:02] comments, I'm, yeah, this is a lot of money, but not, as council member described in

[2:36:08] Johnson said, not I'm not surprising, because costs are going up. Everything is going up.

[2:36:14] And I, I look at this too and try to figure out, okay, what could we maybe season or take

[2:36:19] out? And the only thing that I would question is the sand volleyball, but that probably is

[2:36:27] It doesn't make sense to take that out because the other, all the other amenities are needed and I'm also going to echo the comments from

[2:36:39] Councilman Garamela about if there were changes you requested by ACE and they need to help cover these costs, what the total costs.

[2:36:47] So I'm fine with that.

[2:36:49] We think you all go back and push it back on that.

[2:36:54] Yeah.

[2:36:54] And then I guess the only other question I have then is maybe for Jeannie, but the money

[2:37:02] comes from PIL.

[2:37:04] Where does this leave our PIL fund and then what is our projection?

[2:37:10] Because we know there are some projects and I know this is just a projection.

[2:37:14] I know there are some projects coming in the near future.

[2:37:17] What is the projection for some of that being replenished as well?

[2:37:23] So we've looked at that.

[2:37:26] So we have about five million for Parkland Payment Allure.

[2:37:30] So this will drop it down to about half.

[2:37:32] You needed more than four million for Crab Tree Creek Nature Park.

[2:37:36] I think it's a closer to the fiveish.

[2:37:40] That's the next project that we had.

[2:37:43] We swapped the allocation of bond money to move to town green with the Parkland payment

[2:37:50] in lieu, funding the Criptry Creek Nature Park in the future in the near future.

[2:37:55] So we'll have to resolve that problem and that'll be a part of our update with the CIP.

[2:38:01] So with that said, looking ahead at what's in the future, we can only speculate based on

[2:38:06] project conversations out there that we have about potentially in 24-9-100 is what we're

[2:38:14] estimating possibly to come in. There are some projects that we're working to finish their

[2:38:20] active projects right now that we're trying to close out. There might be funds that we could also

[2:38:25] send back to PIL to replenish that it's not going to be all of it, but at least puts us in the right

[2:38:30] direction. So that's our strategy. That's what we have to work with right now as we

[2:38:36] work with updating the CIP. And it's not a ARPA eligible project for the way in which we

[2:38:44] bid this project for church street. So that's why we didn't use ARPA.

[2:38:52] Yeah, this idea of locking in is, I think, important. I don't, I don't anticipate anything coming

[2:39:00] down in price. It just seems like everything is continuing to escalate phenomena.

[2:39:10] So those

[2:39:10] Well, my question is for now.

[2:39:28] Can you talk a little bit more about that?

[2:39:32] That wasn't included, originally.

[2:39:37] That's a good question.

[2:39:38] I think when we did our initial estimate back at the end of 2012,

[2:39:43] 21 is a very preliminary side plan, so we're just laying out spaces.

[2:39:50] I don't think we would have been dissipated that necessarily, you know, maybe, I don't

[2:39:55] want to say it's oversight on our part, but when you're looking at it from just a preliminary

[2:39:58] side plan, you see it as five foot wide concrete.

[2:40:00] And you're not always thinking at a preliminary level of what kind of concrete looking and what kind of operating function the property will have. So that may have been overlooked at that time.

[2:40:12] And then at this point, it's been a collaboration of our parks, public works and the ace folks to accommodate the various uses and operations and how we would need those spaces to function.

[2:40:26] So, we had to add some of that heavy-duty concrete and grass-pave and stuff like that.

[2:40:34] So,

[2:40:41] without cutting programming, I don't think so.

[2:40:44] I mean, we've spent a lot of time with this.

[2:40:49] You know, like I mentioned earlier, you know, our parking lies, you know, as asphalt.

[2:40:53] Everything we're using for stone water infrastructure, we're using

[2:40:58] ASTP pipe is at a concrete on some of the underground stuff.

[2:41:01] Cords are concrete and asphalt.

[2:41:04] I mean, it really isn't a lot of like, it's not marble and granite and porcelain tile.

[2:41:08] I mean, it's just, you don't have those flexibility when you're doing basic sport courts and that thing.

[2:41:14] You know, maybe the, like some of you mentioned maybe the shelter building could have been smaller, that kind of thing.

[2:41:21] But my question was more specific just to the heavy duty concrete.

[2:41:27] Oh,

[2:41:30] we actually did make some changes, actually since you mentioned that the center, the central,

[2:41:36] I'll call it the central walkway that kind of goes from the parking lot all the way to the

[2:41:40] volleyball and it has the ends in the circle. That used to be heavy duty concrete, we saw

[2:41:44] it out to asphalt. So we did make some of those adjustments along the way, because the asphalt,

[2:41:50] heavy duty asphalt could support the truckloads and it was cheaper in the concrete. So we made some

[2:41:56] adjustments as well as between the practice pitches and the grandstands that used to all be

[2:42:04] heavy duty concrete and we modified a lot of that to just be walkways and actually it's not

[2:42:09] pictured here very well but a large portion of that is just grass. It's open area.

[2:42:13] Oh, yes, my other thought would be me if there was anything we could do.

[2:42:24] I would choose the multi-sport court

[2:42:31] as an option.

[2:42:33] I would like to see us still include basketball court, volleyball court, because there's

[2:42:40] I'm to remember, Garamela, saying that that's the extra amenities for residents, that

[2:42:49] more people can use, that would still be at the benefit of having volleyball and basketball

[2:42:57] out of the amenities.

[2:43:09] I've had an opportunity to ask questions in the comments that we're going to do a second

[2:43:13] round for anyone who wishes Council Member Garamela.

[2:43:17] I think, for my recollection, the heavy-duty concrete is because you've seen last time

[2:43:27] when a

[2:43:34] that could be one of the things like because if you put a regular, you know,

[2:43:42] that

[2:43:42] could be one of the reasons, but my main question is, okay, we see the cost, obviously the

[2:43:49] go back to is, but how do we program these M&ET? Or is it like in other practice, which is

[2:43:56] going to be free public or are we going to charge? Because these are heavy hefty fees that

[2:44:04] we are paying to do it.

[2:44:08] How do you program this into our parks and wrecks reservation type?

[2:44:12] You know, that is my main question. And how do we monetize? I mean, I say monetize at least

[2:44:19] not to the level like, you know, to recruit the cost, but at least, how do we put a sanity to it?

[2:44:24] It's not like first complex, so everyone will be doing, you know, basketball, like,

[2:44:30] you know, who are we are clocking on?

[2:44:34] I'll even put the sanity around there, and I'll also have, I don't know, programming,

[2:44:38] whether they do online, you know, booking, like we talked about for other things.

[2:44:44] I'll take that back to the parks department.

[2:44:46] I'm not that clear on the function of that.

[2:44:49] I don't know if anybody else is, but that certainly, to me, is an option.

[2:44:53] certainly for the practice pitches, they are, if they get built this way, I want to see their

[2:44:58] state of the art, we are putting...

[2:45:00] They look great in some of our renderings, you know, some of our artificial terms. I mean, there's a lot going on with those, so I could see that that could potentially be an option, but I'd want to speak for the Parks Department.

[2:45:18] So I think you recognize that our practice and up to this point has not been to charge for that type of amenity.

[2:45:25] You know, we have done some work, I think, to keep saying, we, I've not done our staff has done some work.

[2:45:32] You know, particularly relevant would be the batting cages at Shilow, you know, at one point we're having some pushback about them being sort of reserved all the time by TCL.

[2:45:43] And this is just an example. This is not to be critical of TCL.

[2:45:47] But staff was able to work with them sort of clarify what the expectations were,

[2:45:52] clarify that it was not sort of a reserved use, but it was a shared use.

[2:45:56] So I think we have the same opportunity to do that, particularly as we open a new facility.

[2:46:02] Now again, these practice pitches may be a little bit different, because they will have to be reserved

[2:46:08] when ACE is here with particularly major and minor league cricket.

[2:46:12] That's again part of the attraction of bringing those teams is having a place to practice,

[2:46:17] you know, particularly if they're in like a multi-team tournament or the playoffs or things like that.

[2:46:21] So I think we are best to start addressing it in that way, rather than necessarily trying to get a fee out of it.

[2:46:30] And again, we can always circle back on that later if it's an issue.

[2:46:37] because

[2:46:40] it's to be like practices where

[2:46:47] they are charging revenue.

[2:46:51] I don't want our grounds to be a freebie basically.

[2:46:57] You're coming in a 600,000 practice pitch and their own coach.

[2:47:03] So what is it for the town? Because maybe.

[2:47:10] And it's obviously it's not a blanket.

[2:47:12] It's easy.

[2:47:21] I'll just...

[2:47:23] I feel like they said, you know, from shallow, like, you know,

[2:47:28] Those are all issues who come very quickly here

[2:47:30] and the same thing with the volleyball court.

[2:47:32] So I can see, you know, on average,

[2:47:35] the way I should play a lot of volleyball,

[2:47:39] we know that.

[2:47:41] I have to reserve them, you know?

[2:47:43] It is not reserve, yeah, it's a free play.

[2:47:45] I have to reserve and we pay money for that.

[2:47:49] Yes, sir.

[2:47:50] Something has to be done.

[2:47:52] Otherwise,

[2:47:55] I agree, like, you know,

[2:47:56] where are we having, you know,

[2:48:14] I would say the shelter is an opportunity for revenue. That would be consistent with the way we do with the other.

[2:48:22] So that is certainly a revenue opportunity.

[2:48:24] you know I think the practice pitches are unique and we'll deal with those to make sure

[2:48:29] that that remains a shared use and then addressing any of the others would be you know

[2:48:36] more of a change in philosophy that we just need to look at and consider.

[2:48:41] Absolutely because there's a lot of correct me if I'm wrong and Steve you play tennis like

[2:48:47] There is, you will,

[2:48:55] so there's a consistency right there, you know, a big of your parks, you know,

[2:49:01] the textbook.

[2:49:03] So, we need to have some kind of consistency here, otherwise.

[2:49:07] There are a lot of issues.

[2:49:10] We know our more complex.

[2:49:11] We need to, you know, people come and enjoy, and everyone gets some people,

[2:49:16] chance and not like a party that is using 24.

[2:49:21] staff shares your goals.

[2:49:27] So this is an item which is evolving and as it goes

[2:49:30] operational make

[2:49:35] things happen. Remember time Johnson? So Mark we just talked about

[2:49:39] a couple of things we want to give more information on what what what kind of time

[2:49:43] frame are we looking at for a decision on this? How critical is this to make a

[2:49:48] decision to weeks? Go ahead Brian Argo would bring it back for action at the next

[2:49:55] We will work very hard to get all these answers.

[2:50:00] So that we can come back with answers. That's part of the second. The action, I guess. I think we can do that. We talked to Ace, they leave almost because we're trying to move this along quickly. So getting to them and getting that information together can be done relatively quickly.

[2:50:18] Don't see any other questions, but yeah, to close us out. The expectation is that we'll be voting on this on the 28.

[2:50:24] Thanks for all the work that you've been doing.

[2:50:25] Thank you. Appreciate it.

[2:50:30] Okay, at this time we are at item 12 future meetings events and citizen involvement opportunities.

[2:50:35] You've heard me say it before, but the Western-Wake Farmers Market offers healthy and fresh food and goods from small and local businesses.

[2:50:42] They're still operating under the winter hours from 9.30 a.m. to 12.00 every Saturday.

[2:50:47] Lots of good events if you're 55 plus.

[2:50:49] These visit the Morrisville Senior Center.

[2:50:51] They would strive for a state luncheon this Friday, March 17 from 1 till 3 p.m.

[2:50:56] visit old friends and makes a new one says you enjoy a delicious catered lunch of

[2:51:00] traditional Irish foods. Don't forget to wear your favorite St. Patrick's Day accessory

[2:51:05] and you'll have to pre-register for that one please. Residents are invited to recycle household

[2:51:10] items at Green Day event on March 18th, which is the Saturday from 8 a.m. till noon at Church Street Park.

[2:51:16] Drive through stations will be set up to accept items for recycling that cannot be placed in

[2:51:20] residential rice cycling bins for safely disposing of hazardous items and for donating

[2:51:25] needed items to community groups.

[2:51:28] Stations will include textile recycling,

[2:51:30] laptop donation, paper shredding,

[2:51:32] medication take back, e-recycling batteries, and CFLs,

[2:51:36] and a collection of fats, oils, and greases,

[2:51:38] or fogs for more information, please visit our website.

[2:51:43] Also, please see the date.

[2:51:45] Join us on Saturday and March 18th from noon until 3 p.m.

[2:51:48] at Cedarfore Community Center, as we celebrate holy.

[2:51:51] The ancient Hindu festival, Marking the End of Winter,

[2:51:53] and welcoming the spring season.

[2:51:55] The festival is free and we'll feature dancing, holy powders, and food for purchase.

[2:52:00] The town will provide holy powder to attendees to get the event started, but attendees are strongly encouraged to bring their own holy powder to keep the fun going.

[2:52:07] Please note that this will be a dry, holy celebration, so participants are asked to leave their water toys at home.

[2:52:14] Limited parking will be available at Cedar Fort Community Center, shuttle transportation will run two in from Iron Mountain and Church Street Park.

[2:52:21] Town of Morrisville, once again, will celebrate N.C. Clean Water Education Partnership,

[2:52:26] Co-App Regional Greek Week Program, or a lot about that from Tony Victor earlier.

[2:52:31] It's from March 18th through the 25th with the fund informative activities to educate our community

[2:52:35] about reducing stormwater pollution and the importance of keeping our waterways clear and clean.

[2:52:41] The theme for 2023 is Water Connects Us, please check the website for more information.

[2:52:46] The complete schedule of events as they are confirmed.

[2:52:48] Just as a note, our town, our municipality is one of the ones with the most opportunities and most events in the region.

[2:52:57] So it's really impressive to work that our stormwater staff has done to make that happen.

[2:53:01] Save the date to join the town of Morrisville for our annual easter egg hunt on Thursday, April 6th at Morrisville Community Park, starting at 545.

[2:53:10] And new this year, there's a piece in the park, scavenger hunt, will be offered.

[2:53:14] find all the peeps hidden in the area and win a prize from the Parks Recreation and Cultural Resources Department.

[2:53:20] Roosters Ice Cream, Truck will also be in attendance for you to purchase a sweet treat to help celebrate spring.

[2:53:25] Please see our event page for more details as they become available.

[2:53:29] We always have lots of other things going on on the calendar on lines.

[2:53:33] So please check us out there and our social media is pretty robust as well.

[2:53:38] at this time we're going to have council comments. I'd like to recognize council member

[2:53:41] Rabadi. I'll buy council member Fender please.

[2:53:44] No comments, Mayor. Thank you.

[2:53:46] Council member Fender, I'll buy council member Rao.

[2:53:48] I don't have any comments.

[2:53:50] Okay, council member Rao, I'll buy Mayor Patent Johnson.

[2:53:53] I just got a few comments.

[2:53:54] First of all, I want to wish everyone a happy women's history month again in Holy.

[2:53:58] A quick thing, I want to bring out your council.

[2:54:01] There's been recently, I've been getting more complaints about spending a most

[2:54:05] for Carpenter Road, and I know we've been tracking our legislative agenda, but there

[2:54:11] is a bill on the floor that passed the House, called HP388, it's going to add Durham to

[2:54:18] have on speed cameras for school zones, and it's going to allow other local governments to add

[2:54:22] on to that.

[2:54:24] So that's something I would ask our least part of when it's staff to explore, possibly,

[2:54:29] I'm not sure where they stand on it, but I think it's a great way to address through automation

[2:54:34] speeding, giving staffing left. There's something for us to think about as we deliberate

[2:54:38] on the budget. Secondly, I've got, there's a small business town hall on hosting with

[2:54:45] Alan Thomas, the director of SPA congressman Ross Fouche and Secretary of State

[2:54:50] Lane Marshall, the event is sold out, but you can get it on Zoom. I'm going to be posting

[2:54:55] that. It's going to be a great opportunity to talk about access to capital.

[2:55:00] If you're a minor audience business, if you're a veteran business, if you're a small business, if you're listening, we'd love to have you join our line, which we'll join the wait list.

[2:55:09] But I think Secretary Reaver, the Secretary North County technology for accepting our invitation to attend the Swan City Advisory Committee meeting on the 23rd.

[2:55:19] And I want to thank the Morrisville Chamber for a great event.

[2:55:21] The final thing is I'm wearing my wet tech metal, which I got, that there wouldn't be a tech event.

[2:55:26] And I just thought it was a good idea that the mayor was there.

[2:55:30] The theme of what you're trying to work in a way that can really be big about points that we are.

[2:55:35] You can do all this great stuff with a way that for those schools.

[2:55:38] And the kinds of opportunities, the community colleges getting, for those that just can't go to the conventional education plan.

[2:55:45] So, I think, and congratulate Scott Roth, President Rawls, and Foundation for a great event.

[2:55:51] Well, like that.

[2:55:53] Mayor Patem Johnson, followed by Council Member Garamlet, please.

[2:55:55] So, I just have one comment. I just want to kind of recognize honor. We lost a long time

[2:56:02] resident last Friday, Peggy Louder passed away. And this morning at Good Hope Baptist Church.

[2:56:10] And she and her husband Grover were married for 67 years. And shortly after they got married,

[2:56:17] they moved into, they built the house on Davis Drive. And though many of us probably, many of you

[2:56:25] never met Peggy or Grover, I had the pleasure knowing Peggy well. She has that, they have the house on

[2:56:34] Davis Drive right next to CVS where she decorates for every holiday. So, like a lot of people around

[2:56:41] here probably never met Peggy, but we're influenced by her, we're really, so her work and she made

[2:56:52] a lot of people really happy, so I just wanted to acknowledge that, like I said, she passed away

[2:56:58] last Friday and, you know, I was on council when the looters came and asked us to subdivide

[2:57:07] that property so they could sell the corner for the CVS. They're a whole goal was to be able

[2:57:18] to live their lives in that house and selling that corner or help them financially in

[2:57:25] the state.

[2:57:26] And that really makes me happy today when I think about Peggy and of course Grover is still

[2:57:32] in the house today, so just my thoughts and prayers to the leader family and I wish them peace

[2:57:40] and comfort in the days of it.

[2:57:44] Thank you.

[2:57:45] Council Member Garamelo of Council Member Schrodinger, Johnson?

[2:57:52] That has, like from last 22 years, horses to, yeah.

[2:57:58] So, I actually really like and the way they decorated, you know, during Christmas time, I don't think, like I was thinking, who has so much energy to do all that, you know?

[2:58:12] No comments and just wanted to.

[2:58:17] We women's day we had it.

[2:58:32] I don't have any comments tonight, Mayor.

[2:58:35] Thank you.

[2:58:36] I just want to say Happy Holy and Happy Pied Day.

[2:58:39] You can see up in the bottom left corner on our screen.

[2:58:43] That's kind of good fun.

[2:58:44] So thank you to staff for doing that.

[2:58:47] At this time, I'd like to recognize, tell me in your page for any comments.

[2:58:51] Thank you, Mayor.

[2:58:52] I'm going to ask Erin Hudson to come up and give a quick update on a guest at Holy.

[2:59:05] members of the Council. As you all know, in our continued efforts to help you maintain and build

[2:59:12] and facilitate relationships with our local and federal delegates, we do have a confirmation

[2:59:20] that Congresswoman Ross will be at Holy on Saturday from 12 to 1. We don't have full details

[2:59:27] at this time where we're still working those out. We wanted to let you know that she will be there.

[2:59:31] will be in attendance along with one member of her staff so really please that she's going to be able

[2:59:36] to join us and as soon as we get some additional details finalized we'll be sure to share those with you all.

[2:59:43] She came last year too.

[2:59:48] Anything else tell me in the pitch? Okay.

[2:59:51] We have two closed sessions this evening to discuss a personal matter and the acquisition of real

[2:59:55] property. We do not plan to conduct any further public business after our close

[3:00:00] So, at this time, we'd like to thank you for watching this meeting of the Morrisville Town Council. We hope you plan to join us again. Please feel free to email your town council members at TownCouncil.

[3:00:09] Townof Morrisville.org or visit www.townof Morrisville.org for additional contact information.

[3:00:18] At this time, I would ask for a motion to enter into closed session.

[3:00:20] Mayor and Council, I'll move to send a close session, pursuant to North Carolina statute,

[3:00:26] 143.3118.118.6 and a five-room that we go into close session for the pressing personnel

[3:00:33] matter and a real property acquisition.

[3:00:38] Second, all those of favorite, please say aye.

[3:00:41] Aye.

[3:00:41] Opposed?

[3:00:42] Is there none that carries unanimously?

[3:00:44] It's a 50-minute close session.

[3:00:46] Thank you very much.

Town Council - Mar 14th, 2023

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