Public Meeting to Discuss the Rehabilitation of Newburyport’s Central Waterfront Boardwalk

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[0:04] I'm jury buying and working for the city's planning office. I know some of you out there and don't know others. I've been working for city to report for 25 years.
[0:16] A lot of time has locked up that I was here when the board of our first guy, people would do so.
[0:32] But that's like that's the way infrastructure works.
[0:38] So just quickly,
[0:43] the wordmark, I would think probably everyone here agreed to some really important.
[0:51] It's just a very simple space,
[0:57] and it is clearly being defined.
[1:02] You can work across which both controls it, and one of the private public services,
[1:09] and you can use it in terms of preparing it.
[1:11] Just been falling behind and trying to keep up with the pair of systems and gotten worse.
[1:17] So when both the DPS and the one across,
[1:21] came to us a little while ago and said,
[1:23] we can't keep up and we actually don't really know how do we approach this
[1:29] one.
[1:30] The stuff that we're in now can be sort of early part of the 9th phase.
[1:37] We've got a community preservation grant and hired to EI,
[1:43] to
[1:52] do a feasibility study for us to begin in and really assess what the existing conditions
[2:01] are a whole different components of the form of, and then give us, for you rigorous,
[2:08] um, ultra is analysis, for how you're in a reclamation,
[2:15] so that's what is made in
[2:16] presentation by GDI yesterday. Um, if, um, you could, uh, you could hold your questions until
[2:24] after the presentation about maybe 20 minutes or something like that. And then we can ask, ask,
[2:30] and asking you to have a question to have a question of discussion.
[2:35] And as we'd like,
[2:38] we have some physical samples,
[2:42] which of the materials up here, which Dan will talk about,
[2:46] and which maybe at the end of the meeting about everyone coming in.
[2:49] Maybe we could come up afterwards.
[2:58] Up here tonight, we've got, we've got Dan Robbins
[3:02] And Brendan from GDI, our consultant, can be got back
[3:08] from the group of one of the president,
[3:10] right, of the group of one of the press,
[3:13] and he diffuses the audience to the manager.
[3:17] And I think with that, I'll turn it over to
[3:20] expand one more thing we do have a microphone set up there.
[3:24] The acoustic in this place are fantastic.
[3:27] So, when we get to the Q&A for, we can try passing around one of these, but if you wanted to walk up to the stand, I don't know how to do it.
[3:42] Next slide.
[3:45] Thanks, Gordier.
[3:47] Again, my name is Dan Robinson.
[3:49] I'm a cheeky eye consultant.
[3:52] We have been involved with the waterfront in the very water here before.
[3:58] probably going on a decade at this point through the past couple of cases of the bulkhead
[4:06] rehabilitation efforts, and I really excited to be working with the city on the board block
[4:13] that feasibility assessment here. So to start off, I'm just going to go through a little bit of the
[4:28] to a bit of, you know, what our task it was within this feasibility system, go through, you know,
[4:38] our pre-kind of tasks, the value weight of the alternatives.
[4:42] And then really step in to materials that we're assessing for some of that mobility.
[4:50] And then we'll round it out with just a little bit more kind of what we're thinking on the next steps.
[4:58] And then finally, opening up the birds, questions and comments.
[5:05] So, with that?
[5:09] The boardwalk was originally constructed back in the 1970s.
[5:16] And if that boardwalk was initially constructed with Southern Yellow Park in 2001,
[5:25] A rehabilitation effort was completed for the Board of Law that we used the existing self-structured.
[5:36] So, basically, anything other than the blocking surface was generally reused.
[5:43] And, at that time, the city replaced the timber decking with a 3 by 8 eBay decking, which is a tropical part of it.
[5:56] Underneath the eBay, there are streamers that are pressure treated, I'm, and then there's
[6:04] concrete side of tubes or foundations that extend down into the soil, and that's what
[6:12] ultimately supports the board block that we want to come.
[6:18] This path, summer, and all GDIs, we did a assessment, well we actually took up some of the
[6:27] to evaluate the boards kind of in their entirety, as well as look at the self-structure,
[6:36] those stringers, the side of tubes, the concrete side of tubes, and other elements
[6:42] that are on the board line. Generally, we found the material that is not exposed to the weather.
[6:49] to be a pretty sound edition.
[6:53] So that was a really positive sign there.
[7:01] But obviously, I think at least we'll
[7:04] stick you a bit of a block of the course block.
[7:07] There's a lot of you theory that get that's out there.
[7:11] And with that, we observe number of rotten boards,
[7:16] number of cryptic hazards, those are typically
[7:19] because of fasteners that extend down into the stringers that fulfill.
[7:28] They either have...
[7:30] We've got a lot of down there to corrode the actual bathroom itself, or the timbre is just building that, you know, media location.
[7:44] So those were the main items that we found. There's also, you know, some transitions between the hard scape at the surround, the edges of the boardwalk and the boardwalk itself.
[7:59] that creates motivation changes that are potential
[8:03] in the country houses.
[8:05] And we also found some areas of the deck,
[8:09] particularly at the southern end of the abandoned,
[8:12] that were really in pretty good condition
[8:15] that don't require a lot of overall attention.
[8:21] So, you know, we tried to really kind of
[8:24] holistically look at the boardwalk itself
[8:27] a value-way, you know, what its current condition was, and the areas that could potentially
[8:35] be reused in areas that would be using future for their work.
[8:45] Our testing of the feasibility study really included the three alternative communications.
[8:51] The first thing that we've done to anything, other than what's being current.
[8:57] This would basically be, you know, periodic patching.
[9:04] The second alternative being, you know, improved maintenance.
[9:09] So, 200 timber out there, rebassing, being much more proactive in the approach.
[9:18] And then the final alternative being to partially move and start the board block at the existing one.
[9:27] And each of those have different costs associated with them, as well as their overall service
[9:35] like and required maintenance.
[9:44] One of the no-l action hatching really would just be going out there as currently exists
[9:53] periodically patching.
[9:55] Some of that is replacing timber for themselves, or using, you'll see some areas out there
[10:02] I have some flexible payment, let's kind of remember us payment or other alternatives.
[10:11] This really has long-term liability risk for the users out there.
[10:19] We're going to continue to have safety, trucking hazards that are consistent with popping up.
[10:30] But it is an option, and it's the lowest cost option that is out there.
[10:36] Alternative two is improving that angle.
[10:41] So this would be going out there,
[10:43] selectively replacing boards that have brought it.
[10:48] Get those stringers that are needing for parent.
[10:51] Really kind of working to replace those stringers.
[10:55] And then securing the fasteners.
[10:59] and providing an annual kind of like, faster in this,
[11:03] I don't know if I'm going to be able to secure the voice down,
[11:05] eliminate some of those traffic hazards.
[11:09] This approves the safety,
[11:11] but it also requires the additional maintenance on an annual and not going basis.
[11:18] So, you know, we say annual,
[11:20] that I think multiple times a year that the city or whatever process is out there,
[11:25] having to, you know, proactively make her fair.
[11:30] So, you know, it increases a lot in the end
[11:33] and preferable on that purpose.
[11:36] I will say that, you know, as part of this feasibility study,
[11:41] a lot of French Boston City have got out there
[11:44] and done a proactive maintenance repair.
[11:49] Recently, it was all securing, I believe,
[11:51] to secure the installed up 200 fasteners in the board block replaced and repaired some of the
[12:00] boards that are out there. And then actually with the next couple of weeks, there will be some
[12:05] additional to repair the kit itself.
[12:09] So, you know, we're as part of this effort have identified
[12:17] I'm going to find
[12:26] all the kind of alternative that we looked at is a partial reconstruction of the protocol.
[12:35] This really was at our holistic approach.
[12:39] What can be used out there?
[12:42] Some of the timber is in really good condition.
[12:45] Some of it is deteriorated.
[12:48] So we're able to reuse that timber that provides some cost savings as well as increase sustainability.
[13:01] So within this image here, the two areas that are in green were found to be a really pretty good condition that we have minor repairs that we did.
[13:12] But we don't, you know, which is a big kind of new holistic removal over here at the top of it.
[13:18] The areas that are in the yellow and red are areas that have quite a bit more widespread
[13:28] of the duration of the timbers and fasteners, so we look to remove all of these timbers
[13:34] within the Zarya, and then selectively repartments to the timbers possible.
[13:43] And now our goal there is to really have about 130 that we've really been able to reuse
[13:51] places in that area that is telling me a little.
[13:57] So then you have wanted to do a scenario of this existing key thing.
[14:04] And then two areas that are red would be replaced with the,
[14:18] we also looked at the elevations of the boardwalk as part of this.
[14:24] And we do know that the boardwalk during the storm events may end in the time of time.
[14:31] However, for the next 25-plus years, we don't anticipate the boardwalk will overcome it.
[14:39] normal frequency. And so, you know, as part of the recommendations here, it's keep it
[14:47] existing in the location of the four blockheads that it's been.
[14:57] So what value we did...
[15:00] Distance, abstructure, and some of our recommendations are to potentially look, this would be a valuable further during the design phase, but reducing the span, the spans between the stringers are really pretty wide. They're about five to look at the typical spacing.
[15:22] And that works for the relatively thick activity we've got out there and the loads that we've got.
[15:31] But it's an unconventional framing for what is often used for different instructions.
[15:40] So, you know, we looked at, you know, the potential that reducing those spans.
[15:44] And this would add some additional construction time to the project on site.
[15:51] But with reduce the material cost of that deck, for instance, we could look at instead of having a free-aged deck deck, that deck might be two or even like one and quarter inches, which is a typical, you know, thickness that you would see on most decks that you're familiar with.
[16:13] So there's some potential cost savings there and really kind of evaluating what those of them.
[16:21] We also look at what the use is about the structure in this evaluation.
[16:29] So the Board of Art was not used for vehicles.
[16:34] We've got a couple of small maintenance vehicles that go out there and it's mostly pedestrian.
[16:49] Next, we evaluated different material choices with a board block. Currently out there is
[16:58] a heap there, which is a tropical argument,
[17:02] before that the original construction was a southern
[17:06] yellow line that was partially treated. And both of those have lasted about 25 years.
[17:15] We were hoping to be able to get a little bit of a longer service life
[17:19] about the tropical parkway initially,
[17:26] and, you know, there is still some nice
[17:28] longevity, but it is starting to require a new additional.
[17:34] So, the different materials that we looked at are tropical parkways,
[17:41] softwoods,
[17:41] this would be the Southern Yellow Pine composite decking, pre-cast concrete, and they have some
[17:49] place concrete where you actually breathe the location of the place of the concrete.
[17:56] So we looked at all of those really not even in the work of conversations with the city and different
[18:03] stakeholders have identified that the concrete options are really open to the city's, you know,
[18:13] That's that X can really need more A and A forward walk.
[18:21] So, from there, you know, with the value of them, and really can move down to the
[18:26] particular top of the choice.
[18:32] The drop-up of the hardware was this would be an E-bay.
[18:35] This is actually an E-bay that is out there as an option.
[18:43] Purple Heart, the end is a purple heart, the connection,
[18:53] part of the real child, over by
[18:55] Patron Park, is using the purple heart currently, so it's another option that we've got in the city.
[19:03] Here, these are both nice options in that they have long surface light, they don't use any chemical treatments,
[19:11] But there are some challenges with them as well, they're expensive.
[19:17] They have sustainability concerns,
[19:21] because most of the tropical earthquakes are coming from either Brazil
[19:26] or Piana,
[19:29] or, you know, imports that, you know,
[19:33] if we've got any, we've run short from the material,
[19:36] that you can have high feedbacks, there can be a quality control issues with getting some
[19:42] of the material here as well, and you know, so these will have to be back to the, to the
[19:50] rural instruction.
[19:57] And the estimated cost for the tropical hardwoods would generally be about
[20:02] 0.7, 0.8 million dollars.
[20:08] To replace the areas that are in the right
[20:14] order,
[20:16] it will then construction.
[20:18] So that includes the overwhelming structure.
[20:26] We are missing what we've had.
[20:29] They'll go into that area with the yellow, and then the areas that have been
[20:33] in the right that have been used to
[20:40] it.
[20:41] We also looked at stockwoods.
[20:45] These are less expensive.
[20:47] So there's a lower up run cost of them, but it's also important to know that the up run
[20:56] cost of materials is only a portion of that cost, because there's also a cost for the labor
[21:01] and the equipment that, you know, really do pack equipment to the overall cost of the
[21:06] as much differential as you think, I think it could be curious.
[21:13] The softwaids would have a shorter surface life,
[21:17] generally on the order of about 15 to 20 years.
[21:21] Perhaps it's the hardware that's going to be on the 25 to 15.
[21:29] So the other disadvantage that they're not chemical treatments,
[21:34] typically they're going to be a pressure treated in these areas.
[21:39] I'm really, you know, they do weather pretty quickly, so as you can see here, in the
[21:47] two photos, the lower photo is the picture of the freshness, all of that, the southern
[21:56] photo of the freshness, the southern yellow, the freshness, the southern yellow, and the
[21:59] upper picture is with the same area here, but this was installed about 10 years ago,
[22:09] it's
[22:13] material class or in the overall instruction as many instructions as the order of the
[22:17] seven, the other half. And then
[22:27] the other option that we've blessed you at Dan
[22:29] when you work for a mention.
[22:30] I know we have talked just the kind of a life cycle of that time that the working year should be spoken for splintering and working and kind of things like that.
[22:41] It did.
[22:42] Yeah. So within with the, with the softwoods, if they do have increased maintenance, there's, they tend to unravel,
[22:52] open up within their, their grain with it more, so there's more opportunity for splintering and block.
[23:04] within the versus, you know, the tropical hardwoods
[23:09] or hardwoods are going to have a much denser green.
[23:17] And then finally, you know, we looked at the composites.
[23:21] That composite has come way to ways even over the last 10 years
[23:26] from what it was.
[23:28] And, you know, so they've really started kind of coming
[23:32] the market, like, well, when we started to compare them,
[23:39] you're going to have a long service life.
[23:40] Again, looking at 30 to 50 years, often,
[23:45] you know that even if you're in a commercial,
[23:47] or it's used on these materials that are going to be
[23:50] in that 30 years time range, they don't have splinters
[23:56] of rock associated with them.
[23:58] Their maintenance is really low.
[24:02] There are some light up to, you know, we would have to make sure we would specify the materials that are selected by the rest.
[24:15] I'm aware of being a UV protection with them and traction, so make sure that they are not slippery material.
[24:27] And so we've got some different materials out here that are kind of
[24:32] to take a look at afterwards.
[24:34] One of them that we've got out here introduces some, it's called
[24:41] a mineral composite, and mineral composites actually have some
[24:49] aggregate that's in mineral, it's actually mixed into them.
[24:52] So, you know, there's quite a bit of a number there to prevent that.
[24:59] But I think it's also worth noting that, you know, there's a very, very good use of that.
[25:07] And that even with the timber, if you go out there, and then cool, cool with your day,
[25:14] you know, morning, you'll get a little bit of processing timber, and there's well,
[25:18] I think that's very suburb or, you know, what they, you know, so it's not that, you know,
[25:27] the timber person could possibly, you know, greatly different there.
[25:33] We've also heard some, you know, considerations and had some considerations on the thermal,
[25:43] basically attraction of the composites, some of them will get, you know, relatively warm.
[25:50] The colors that we would be looking for are really trying to make, aesthetically, you know,
[25:58] a piece of the look between the existing evade decking and the rubricillic composite composite
[26:06] there. So it's going to be like gray in color, which is not going to attract as much. It's
[26:14] going to, that's much solar. He came, that is, you know, a dark object or something, that nature.
[26:24] And there's also, they're working, the compositing factors have really been working to keep those temperatures down.
[26:33] So there have been some different studies that, you know,
[26:38] evaluated in Florida, particularly the heat gain
[26:44] of the positive persons, some of the different timbres.
[26:50] And they're great to reduce that over the past few years.
[26:56] And I think it's also worth noting that there's a good
[26:59] global track record using positive.
[27:04] Right within the Central Larva, the floating dots that are adjacent to this board block,
[27:13] all of the means that can cause a death rate.
[27:15] That's been out there.
[27:16] 40,000 people out there.
[27:18] Yeah, almost 20 years.
[27:20] That was in the process of been out there.
[27:22] And really, I didn't know I'm going to get some of that.
[27:25] We talked about the hardware master.
[27:27] you know, they haven't had major issues over the slippery as well.
[27:35] And then, additionally, if you go over to the wildlife refuge, if then it's like saying
[27:43] the plush of the timber there really causes this well.
[27:47] So, you know, it is something that we're seeing quite a bit, some of those conversations
[27:52] they've talked quite a bit, you know, reducing the density they have overall.
[28:03] Yes, we need construction costs, really kind of falls in the middle between the 7th or 5th.
[28:10] The hardware is available.
[28:16] So looking at this, you know, we really kind of are trying to also keep in mind a lot of sustainability considerations.
[28:24] So we're looking at, you know, we're recycled content and being able to reuse work again.
[28:30] within the causes, you know, having low maintenance and using recycled materials, the
[28:39] domestic softwoods are going to have low transport and that's if they're going to have
[28:44] lower carbon imprints. The concrete as well as the hardwoods are really going to have high
[28:55] a lot in Europe because of the travel is
[29:02] a problem with this.
[29:04] So, you know, trying to provide resilience goals, and to achieve that it's a state-of-a-live
[29:13] project here at the same time, it's been like the other considerations.
[29:20] Looking at this, I'm just a construct of the lakes standpoint, I think it's important to
[29:25] know that, you know, this will be a phase of project, we wouldn't be looking to go in
[29:31] take out the entire board block a little less, because we understand and you know this is
[29:38] important aspect to the city,
[29:42] the visitors, the residents, and all being able to access
[29:47] the waterfront. So we'd like to do it, you know, as much as we can during the off season,
[29:54] where it's going to be a little bit less stuff, but traffic, as well as...
[30:00] Facing it into at least three cases here, all while having the e-part act this way that runs kind of directly behind this vote law available.
[30:17] So, you know, what we should have not been here, why are you trying to be here with a certain
[30:24] not to be interactive, do you have any questions to do?
[30:28] And that's the design of the graphic, we really want to do the development of what we've done,
[30:37] what we've done, what we've done, what we've done, what we've done, what we've done, what we've done,
[30:43] What I'm praying for is a different way of speaking down and struggling.
[30:56] And then, ultimately, you know, how an equipment to deal with.
[31:10] So overall, recommendation that really to, you know,
[31:18] some improved maintenance in the short-term, and then ultimately,
[31:25] advanced design, the permitting is required for a part of the construction.
[31:32] And then, ultimately, in the work with the city, one of the trucks,
[31:36] I would, well as, you know, hearing, like, for developing and selecting, you know, the
[31:43] third open business.
[31:45] Can we do better?
[31:47] Really kind of awesome.
[31:49] And then there's a really interesting situation.
[31:57] With that, appreciate the time.
[32:01] And we'll, in fact, over your during the, uh,
[32:07] questions, I'll just comment.
[32:11] Thanks everyone.
[32:13] Not too many of us here, so maybe you could just speak loudly or walk over the microphone
[32:20] or ask me to give you this microphone, but that's a seven discussion that would be lovely here,
[32:27] but anyone thinks of any of this or which is a question to be able to answer that.
[32:33] Hi, I'd like to present my public comment with that I don't really care about money or time.
[32:40] The boardwalks should really be made out of granite and break.
[32:47] And then break, okay.
[32:48] I don't know what you think about construction or anything.
[32:51] But granite and break, just like the rest of the years, or down town, get them back
[32:57] and down town.
[32:58] All right.
[32:59] We're recording everyone's comment, so we appreciate that.
[33:03] I would say that, I think I've heard from most people that there's a final sport,
[33:09] So anticipate that's the direction we will together, but I appreciate your comment.
[33:17] I might have noticed this earlier presentation, but it was a client report.
[33:22] The new surface on top of the color boards on the board.
[33:28] Why not?
[33:34] The plan would be to remove existing timber that's there, we're used where we can, and then the area that we can not be used to have that removed in any place.
[33:47] What's the reason you're here?
[33:50] Right now, the primary reason for that is that you can be able to get a level of surface and to be able to anchor them appropriately.
[33:59] We've got a lot of faster issues that are out there right now, and so there's a place
[34:06] that we're going to talk about this in a couple of years off of this country.
[34:09] We have a real challenge of universal access, and a leading city of federal codes for
[34:18] universal access, and any deaf accessibility, if you're having to be different above all
[34:24] services and having to explain different boards and so forth.
[34:27] So getting rid of the old material, and then, and then putting you as is a much, much more efficient approach.
[34:36] Possibly, but I'm sorry.
[34:38] I'm sorry.
[34:39] What else?
[34:41] Probably there's, you would say, some later by leaving something down, you'd have a much, much more work to try to, to, to, to fasten it all together.
[34:50] And they can, uh, if you compliant.
[34:55] Yeah.
[34:56] I get a sense that the faster the plate won a little bit more than that.
[35:03] I'm wondering if something happens if you're doing something with those fasteners.
[35:10] I hope if it doesn't happen.
[35:12] The thing that comes to mind is that we've got plenty of both carrots.
[35:17] And my clothes up the dog, the river, and he could have just asked her and went there,
[35:25] over the years, the work, the vet, for a similar scenario that we have there.
[35:34] I don't know, they're kind of, he could have his lower cost and fit that.
[35:38] It might be some sort of sort of, the others, the federal government, has a part of
[35:47] Plum Island.
[35:48] And they've got some walkways there on the beach.
[35:55] And they somehow found a way to personalize it, they haven't got a way to personalize
[36:02] the board, sure that might have felt in costs, and then I have that you've never walked
[36:10] those at the beach that you've kind of best made, and see how they've gotten.
[36:16] They might also shed some money on how we might go about pulling this
[36:25] and keep you in the
[36:25] place.
[36:27] Yeah, a couple of we have talked with Matt Bellman, the recommend to their board box and their use of the composite material over the wall, they are happy with using the composites.
[36:42] There's always some cons, there's both a cons, every material, but they can like it.
[36:48] In terms of fasteners, I think that wasn't an interesting part of this study where
[36:53] there was talking a little bit about that previously, but it turns out there are many
[37:00] different types of fasteners in different types of steel and stainless steel to coated
[37:07] to two other types of steel and we think that essentially, especially with some of the
[37:14] There is none of the past quarter century, but the best
[37:20] basements weren't used, and it turns out that the industry is
[37:25] not about that pressure treated wood, which is what the
[37:28] stringers are made of.
[37:30] The chemicals in that actually will deteriorate certain types of steel. So, that screws go in that there's no red flat, which is why the words, that started coming up. I have one of those in my office that didn't want to last. I'll take a look.
[37:46] So, when we had our contract around there, he was putting in the longer fasteners, some of the longest like 70 or 80 inches, but longer fasteners.
[37:57] and so we're certainly going to be looking at stainless or some other top-quality
[38:02] faster to make sure we get it as one of the things we want to see.
[38:07] I would add on to that the original fasteners out there were actually like a six-inch nail, right about that.
[38:18] Thank you.
[38:20] Ben.
[38:23] Still a common, you know, if you think a lot about the effect, so if we're choosing a different material
[38:30] for example, how do that, how do we accept that and look at the oil in terms of design
[38:38] with sections being different materials?
[38:41] The second question is, you made a brief mention on the stringer and the distance between them.
[38:46] If the plan is to only intentionally shorten the distance between them on sections that are completely removed
[38:53] or maybe on the yellow section, where we would be rebuilding the parts,
[38:57] And then it's not touching the green section and stuff maybe within the faith that it is in the interplanet.
[39:03] So just try to understand what the after this is done made in the Senate expectation.
[39:10] Yeah, the aesthetics is clearly an important consideration.
[39:15] I think we're getting more and more of a right and strong monster with lots of different materials out there.
[39:22] Yeah,
[39:24] you know, the general requirements
[39:25] is to have a look as you have one of those possible.
[39:29] There are, to have a completely new form
[39:32] you'd have to rip out the entire form
[39:33] to open a place that never lasts 100,000 dollars more.
[39:39] And at this point, we don't feel like that's a worthwhile approach.
[39:44] So we also don't want to have sort of a checkerboard look.
[39:49] So we're dead, and I don't know if you
[39:51] to bring that intro back up, but the recommendation coming from GDI is that there's essentially
[39:58] going to be a middle section of the boardwalk, which is the green and the yellow, which
[40:03] is all going to be a pair, the existing gray material. And then the green would be staying in place
[40:11] as it is, and the yellow would be boards harvested from elsewhere, so you have a continuous line
[40:19] And then on the other end, you have this immaterial.
[40:23] And so there's sort of one transition point
[40:25] between those materials.
[40:29] And we would be choosing a color, as I think was mentioned,
[40:32] is not going to be traumatic or different.
[40:35] You know, it's going to be in the grayed tombs.
[40:38] And so I don't think that this could be a significant aesthetic
[40:41] in that one of those lines.
[40:43] In terms of the screeners question,
[40:45] you are asking about, certainly if we go with the composites, we're going to need to add more support and more
[40:52] spirits.
[40:53] In those, essentially those random stretches there, but we won't need to do that in the rest of the area.
[41:02] And the streamers, as Dan, they have noted, the streamers are doing pretty well.
[41:08] They're old, they're original material, but they've been protected from the weather and so forth.
[41:14] And they're in good shape. Part of this project, there's going to be some self-work done on them,
[41:21] building animals,
[41:24] and address shins and so forth. But the most part of that's in good shape,
[41:29] you know, we don't need to address that in that section. And so, it's entire board box, we don't
[41:58] would.
[42:00] The industry says that it can last from 25 to 50 or more years. So we're seeing
[42:07] the range in our own materials here. We've had enough material that who knows some of the materials
[42:15] we would see maybe from one or sort of different paths from others. So we've seen half or 60% of
[42:25] board of water, the end to 25% time period, but the material that's first
[42:30] is down at the base of the pavement, so that the pavement is really looking pretty
[42:34] good, and it's just going to last us quite a while longer. And then the sea level
[42:40] has been taking it approximately 25 years, and then we'll go up to you raising everything
[42:44] up.
[42:53] We have to be fit on
[43:08] it.
[43:08] I've heard some people suggest that.
[43:11] And we came from one that's a lot at the end.
[43:14] disciplinary if it's some other type of work.
[43:17] So don't give up on it,
[43:33] baby.
[43:33] You will get that weird hole in
[43:45] the, uh,
[43:46] high hole, probably, probably that hole five years.
[43:50] And for, uh, little boxes, that that's the,
[43:55] you know, a lot of them walking on that, uh.
[44:01] Thanks for your, but yeah, just in purple part.
[44:04] I would mention, we have purple part.
[44:06] We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're.
[44:10] part of the rail trail, that was about 15 years old at this point. It was actually a pretty good
[44:15] condition. There's a couple of little spots that are starting to deteriorate. And then on
[44:21] the rail trail south, bridges, and then small or walk over in the waterfront, it is per park. So those
[44:31] are good more walks, but again, you really have to oversee the supplier and you can take many
[44:38] to get these materials. It is a tropical hardwood, which means going into the tropical
[44:44] forest. So, and it's the most expensive option. So again, we know decisions have been made
[44:53] at this point, but it's trying to explain some of the thinking today as we, as we try to
[44:58] You need to do this to prepare for this to do.
[45:09] There could be terrorist issues, which would potentially increase the cost, but that's been a moving target.
[45:21] And so we had a really big incorporated that into our opinion. Other than, it's a drop of a hardware and it's the most expensive option, and it would push it a little more expensive.
[45:43] So I'm just very excited to be able to, like, get some work conditions and send more
[45:49] and serve.
[45:50] How would you go about sequencing it?
[45:51] And then the second part of that question is, and it's shown through some corrective
[45:55] key to the service on the boardwalk, and how are you thinking about applications that are required
[45:59] to accept the ability to change it, or have you, or have you, or have you, or have you, as part of this thing?
[46:08] So I'll start on the phase and you know it was part of the phase and goes we would start initially with, you know, the area that isn't right.
[46:25] So that, you know,
[46:38] and then the area that's yellow and
[46:43] the phase that you're taking folks out.
[46:55] You know, like, I know we mentioned that they're like 20 years or so.
[46:59] Did we learn anything from the time you're on the boat?
[47:01] You did.
[47:01] Then the life work, there's an institution in the area that they're trying now, but how do we treat it?
[47:10] Um, as part of this, standing the life goes, you know, there's not a whole lot we can really do, you know,
[47:16] these, you get it out there, it's got, you know, really, that's where it was saying.
[47:22] a significant, like, to it and still, and so, you know, the main thing is for, like,
[47:29] going to be a fastener for the placement.
[47:39] There's not treatments or something like that.
[47:42] There won't necessarily, you just, essentially, just leave it alone.
[47:46] You'd also ask about accessibility.
[47:52] She's referring to, I think, the little electric variant that's blind,
[47:57] people heard about that, but they're essentially a kind of project in the works for building a little electric.
[48:05] A solar electric period would go back and forth between periods, very integral, hopefully over in South Korea.
[48:14] A lot has to come together to make that happen.
[48:17] The Boardwalk itself is not any ignorance to that project.
[48:22] We're trying to make the Boardwalk as accessible and universally accessible as possible.
[48:28] For any number of reasons, the accessibility issue that you're referencing is the gangways that go down from the boardwalk to the flows.
[48:40] And that's a whole separate question from the three we have at the boardwalk.
[48:56] And yet all the electrical, all the electrical research was recently upgraded, as part of the bulk in the part project.
[49:05] And so all those time, it's one underneath the decking.
[49:08] And so none of that would be an issue.
[49:12] In terms of we'll have to work with Eva and Jeff Nath's in the electrician.
[49:17] About whether there's increased power needs or something like that.
[49:22] But we hosted some of the power along there to get in bigger boats,
[49:26] so I don't want to mistake it to be significant.
[49:40] Think about some
[49:46] numbers around.
[49:47] I can see the S-rated cost for material,
[49:50] but if you could create a table for us that divided that cost out by the S-rated log 70,
[49:56] if you use those materials to close the expected end of the business,
[50:00] then you could figure out a total of an end with cost for how low we had.
[50:05] And one of those I've got is a video based line for comparing these options with some of your numbers from that.
[50:14] So if that's something you can make, I would enjoy it very much.
[50:18] I also met one other fellow question about the actual life span of the defense and the balance of some other information that maybe there's a big difference.
[50:26] But I've heard 25 to 50 years, but it seems like we've got 25.
[50:34] So is it really reasonable to expect any more than 25 others?
[50:40] Yeah, it's a good question.
[50:42] There is a very significant difference.
[50:45] If we go down and look closely at the stretching green, the southern part of the existing
[50:53] boardwalk, which is the connection point for the new Cherokee's pathway. All those
[50:59] boards are not playing, they're not coming, they're not riding, those boards are
[51:06] a good shape. Now again, there's a stretch of them, perhaps they came from one specific
[51:11] patch. It's a little easier, like, why is this stretch good in another stretch is bad?
[51:18] But it is clear that for whatever reason there is a broad range here in terms of how this material functions and we have some other that's at the end of its service life and some that's in the middle of its service life.
[51:35] We have seen, if they, or I'd say we, we is very broad, the world has seen, if they
[51:43] last many decades in optimal conditions.
[51:49] So, GI, you know, the recommendations we're getting is that we're releasing you, sure,
[51:54] that we keep all out of that material we are going to get a lot more inside of it.
[51:59] and I tend to think that ripping on all that pretty good material and replacing it would be a pretty big waste.
[52:09] Oh, yeah,
[52:23] it does.
[52:30] 50 scenes be pushed on it. So Dan is saying, actually, like, 15 or 20 years, more years is a better expectation.
[52:41] And then we might be getting into the border by border replacement situation that we've been in more recent.
[53:01] Yeah, so as far as the overall construction goes, if I believe, you know, by the time you
[53:07] base it out in those phases, you know, each of those phases is probably going to take
[53:12] in the rain that would say, read five months, there in the creation of the phases.
[53:18] So it's about it here,
[53:27] because you're going to have to take out those boards to the
[53:41] You know,
[53:46] that's a problem for us to be in this sort of problem.
[53:49] Yeah.
[53:50] I don't want to do that.
[53:51] No.
[53:52] I don't know.
[53:53] They'll work basically through through.
[53:59] And then we've done a long-term.
[54:01] We do, you know, compare to 25 years ago when we're taking a whole boardwalk
[54:05] and replacing it.
[54:07] We do now have to share these gap wave, which runs along there.
[54:11] And you will allow even if we have a section of the boardwalk,
[54:15] which is closed.
[54:16] People will still be able to get back and forth,
[54:18] which I think is a huge.
[54:20] positive for sort of dealing with others,
[54:39] more than that, there were discussions that
[54:41] didn't all about various options. Everything from composite to wood, something like metal
[54:47] that they were falling in traction. And then we got the wood we got. And every problem was
[54:53] looked before the last one we got in the week, 90 to 80,000 person out. I think that
[55:00] I think it's a lot more fear, we're going to have that now.
[55:04] I think it's really important for us to step into the media,
[55:07] with that, but that being said, the e-pay,
[55:11] sounds like pretty good deal.
[55:13] I think it's good.
[55:14] But I was strongly suggesting you probably know this,
[55:18] to get a rather poor block, not just here,
[55:20] but to me, to which I spend a lot of time
[55:22] and I think it's really great.
[55:24] And those sounds have a good place
[55:27] and the names of this question for that.
[55:30] They usually would have some of you come up
[55:32] but either way they have a plan.
[55:35] Like certain of some of the parts of it,
[55:37] but some of them cost the sign.
[55:39] This is like the group were telling me that in the group,
[55:42] there's 75 or 70 in the place in the music.
[55:45] But they do that.
[55:46] I'll get back to you in 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20,
[55:49] I think money aside, you can consider everything all the way.
[55:53] Especially because this is something that comes
[55:55] on the tax cap, because you're really going to keep going on about that a month.
[56:01] One is a grant, ideally a state grant, although that's assertive of the physical situation.
[56:07] The only thing that we have for over the years, in my 20th century, has been based on a requirement
[56:12] to be products.
[56:13] Everything from rewiring, this is going to have to be fired from the need to put in our official
[56:18] turf at the state of the high school.
[56:21] So, it's not to say that if we actually look forward, if we may want to spend $1,000 to put it in a full new boardwalk,
[56:32] otherwise, we have to admit it, not to say, in twenty-five minutes, we regret.
[56:37] But he makes sure we need to eat over the years because he does a new business interest
[56:42] because the argument is talking about where these boards look great.
[56:46] These boards will open your place for 25 years to get to the aircraft.
[56:49] But I'm just kind of hoping that it's not just a set of the durability sources and he could have a great life with
[56:58] making sure all the amount of chance he could have all thought that.
[57:03] that that may be not in the pocket of the money, but if we're concerned, you see the
[57:09] economy in the hospital or if the state won't be short, there it comes off and see where
[57:14] you decide to go, sure that can be a non-efficient thing.
[57:18] So you know what I mean?
[57:20] I just like to make sure we've laid the light this time.
[57:24] I mean, here to what we have, what we have now, we're supposed to have to move.
[57:33] I do just want to point out there on the deep air,
[57:37] And that is the right now because it's a bit more difficult to get because it's a bit
[57:45] flip on a bigger species list for the US important.
[57:50] So we can still get it, but it is basically the US that's saying that from possibly much power.
[58:03] So what's the same, when I'm worried about it, you're who would have worked with it?
[58:11] Also, the answer is question.
[58:15] All being, it being, this kind of is a kind of asset,
[58:20] the company would have the same certificate, the documentation.
[58:22] So therefore, we know of them, yet, we're back two years ago,
[58:27] we might not have, might not have, you know.
[58:31] And as far as being in danger, it's on the ethics too,
[58:34] It's not kind of the street yet, and so it's still readily available.
[58:39] You can get it.
[58:40] I think I would like the lives in order to counter it.
[58:47] There was a chain of custody documents back when in the material came in 2001.
[58:52] So I've heard the rumors, but there's actually, you know, this,
[58:57] I would tell that there's, we might have any proof that the material is different.
[59:02] So I just think we would be
[59:06] able to write that down in the United
[59:10] States.
[59:11] Yeah, you know, you're right about that, but they're not.
[59:14] It was very difficult.
[59:15] Trump, the hard ones can be very difficult to secure,
[59:19] and we could put it in our specs, sightings, and certain other things,
[59:22] that they could then prove it possible again.
[59:25] The one of the things that Dennis talked about,
[59:28] the majority of the actually this is talking with
[59:30] the DPW director, the Belmar, the majority of the work.
[59:34] after her continued to rip out their boardwalks in a huge replacement and they came out with a composite.
[59:44] And you know I've heard both of the comments about the jersey composite boardwalks.
[59:49] So I called him up and asked him what his take on it was.
[59:54] So he talked about some of those comments, but he was very plausible for all about that.
[1:00:24] We're still, we're still, we're still in the gathering, deprivation about specific grants and specific
[1:00:30] materials in terms of way of these things. Ultimately, I think it's probably going to be the mayor's call,
[1:00:36] also a recommendation, we take, but we are in the lean on our consultants' professional
[1:00:44] recommendations, and look at the chief consensus with the River Wuffer class, as well as
[1:00:51] our one-to-B.S. and the Department of City Council and everybody else. It doesn't mean
[1:00:58] necessarily that a hundred percent of everyone's in their degree, because there's a lot of
[1:01:01] choices, but hopefully we'll get to a general consensus and then next year we'll do the
[1:01:08] analysis project.
[1:01:10] So at 1.7 a minute that I will now set inflation all over the world, but it's just
[1:01:19] passionate in order to eat it.
[1:01:21] That's the partial approach where you maintain 40% of the existing world law in an
[1:01:29] 60 percent. Now, if they go to compiles of a term, I'm a work guy who is watching,
[1:01:39] if they
[1:01:40] went to compiles that they should be making their commitment, if they go all the way to
[1:01:46] compiles it, if they should sort whatever. And if you know why I have compiles it, if you
[1:01:52] have a pot, you would. That is actually what's being recommended. I don't know if you're
[1:01:59] At the moment,
[1:02:03] whatever material is selected, the plan would be that the areas that are
[1:02:10] in green and yellow would be in the existing timber that is out there, and areas that are
[1:02:16] in red that be in the material that is all selected. So if it wasn't present, there would be a change
[1:02:23] It's number, it's going to be a change.
[1:02:26] Well, what happened when we owned the areas, and then they would go to the bottom
[1:02:31] of the national level.
[1:02:34] That would likely be the scenario that when there was already
[1:02:37] for updating.
[1:02:40] They would get, you know, not how you did it.
[1:02:43] But if all of them were, I think that was the easiest.
[1:02:48] If they could have seen one on this once a year,
[1:02:50] that with that help in some of the areas that we have more sun than others about the
[1:02:56] public level, a lot of we have this between more sun, deep not,
[1:03:03] you know, if they were
[1:03:03] that yellowy thing that they sealed it, you know, in the cities of Philadelphia,
[1:03:12] you know,
[1:03:13] you want to see what's going on there, what's going on there, what's going on, you seal it, you know,
[1:03:18] all sides on others, which show that might explain the audience.
[1:03:28] I don't think Trump from Harvard specifically takes you.
[1:03:32] I don't know.
[1:03:33] Yeah.
[1:03:34] We actually experimented with that a little bit
[1:03:36] from the Purple Heart Board block.
[1:03:40] Over at the National Park in the Real Trail.
[1:03:42] It's also expensive to do, to do that every year.
[1:03:47] That's the only thing that can be here that I can have with no reason to face.
[1:03:51] Even if we could be just right out in the area to make some of these watercolting,
[1:03:57] where the sun hits a lot
[1:04:06] of the set, and that's exactly what it's called.
[1:04:11] One of the suggestions from contractors and one of the two recipients we talked to was,
[1:04:17] the sticker boards that we have up there, the three inch boards.
[1:04:20] It's actually, there's a difference in the moisture content in the middle of the water versus the surface area,
[1:04:31] and that's potentially adding to some of the flexing that we've seen as opposed to some of these two-inch or five-quarter boards.
[1:04:42] So that's an interesting piece of the formula.
[1:04:51] That's correct.
[1:04:53] Yeah, we're shipping those on that one.
[1:04:57] There you go.
[1:04:59] That's a chance to be dead.
[1:05:14] So, we've been clotted at each other.
[1:05:17] They've both been pulled out.
[1:05:19] They've been working at main gate itself.
[1:05:23] And it looks really weird now when we did
[1:05:37] it.
[1:05:37] Steep.
[1:05:38] Steep.
[1:05:39] No, that's just when it's just when it's too great.
[1:05:41] And you know, it starts at the ground, the ground, the, I think, like I mentioned, we tried
[1:05:49] when the purple harvest was put down, the purple harvest, when it's cut, it's actually
[1:05:53] very purple, it's strikingly purple, crazy purple.
[1:05:59] And some people, when it was first put in, we said, this is a tacit, and so someone said, you
[1:06:10] to put this UV, you know,
[1:06:11] cut it off and try to retain it.
[1:06:13] And so we did that,
[1:06:16] did that, did that.
[1:06:30] I ended my pattern for my shape.
[1:06:33] So I would suggest the break.
[1:06:36] You made out of the shape, just for progress.
[1:06:41] The break, okay.
[1:06:42] Yeah, for my granite break.
[1:06:44] Yeah, pretty cool.
[1:06:45] Yeah, probably, yeah.
[1:06:47] Pretty cool.
[1:06:51] Yeah.
[1:06:51] All right, because anyone else
[1:06:59] We're going to continue to get information.
[1:07:02] We're going to update the, there's an existing alternative analysis.
[1:07:06] We're going to report the TI's done, which is on the CDC website.
[1:07:10] It's a draft forum.
[1:07:12] We'll take comments and a consideration.
[1:07:14] and GPI will update that and we'll get that posted and I'm pretty easy to find here
[1:07:24] if it's a default or if you email me and ask me questions as we go forward.
[1:07:30] We're going to go back to the seat council in the coming couple of months, and have another public discussion about this, and hopefully, almost certainly we'll be going to the CBA and be in front of them, so that we several other public forums, in which this will come up.
[1:07:51] and I will talk about coming before.
[1:07:54] I guess I wanted to, as again, there is no one for a material
[1:07:58] in this different opinions on which to use.
[1:08:03] We've tried to go into this process with a pretty open mind
[1:08:07] in terms of what's the best approach.
[1:08:12] And I didn't know which direction we consult,
[1:08:15] but it's going to be coming out the other end.
[1:08:18] So we'll see where this takes us in the cover months but I'm certainly hoping we'll be able to advance this project next year.
[1:08:27] Last question?
[1:08:28] Yes.
[1:08:29] This is all we've got.
[1:08:36] Yeah, I don't
[1:08:41] think.
[1:08:41] He's not going to be separate.
[1:08:43] So we're going to talk about one thing.
[1:08:46] I'm going to talk about one thing.
[1:08:56] I'm going to talk about one thing.
[1:08:58] I'm going to talk about one thing.
[1:08:58] I'm going to talk about two things.
[1:09:00] I'm going to talk about two things.
[1:09:02] Thanks everyone for coming.