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Good evening.
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Welcome to the WPCA and town council
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meeting of Tuesday, June 16th. It is
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6:31. Please join me in a salute to the
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flag.
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>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the
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United States of America and to the
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republic for which it stands, one nation
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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
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justice for all.
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Roll call.
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>> Mayor Angelone
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>> here.
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>> Deputy Mayor McMillan
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>> present.
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>> Councelor Diamond
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>> here.
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>> Councelor Go
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>> here.
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>> Councelor Mace
[0:39]
>> here.
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>> Councelor Miller
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>> here.
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>> Councelor Witworth
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>> here.
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>> Councelor Zampano
[0:44]
>> here.
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>> Okay. Next item is minutes of approval
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of the minutes from our last meeting.
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Uh, do I have a motion to approve the
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May 19th, 2026 WPCA and town council
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minutes?
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>> Make that motion.
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>> Second.
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>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor
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McMillan, seconded by Councelor Diamond.
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Discussion.
[1:08]
All in favor?
[1:09]
>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.
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Next is community events and
[1:16]
presentations.
[1:19]
Seeing none, we will continue on to WPCA
[1:23]
agenda.
[1:25]
Um, any citizen statements regarding the
[1:29]
WPCA?
[1:32]
There's no unfinished business. Next
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item is discussion and action on the
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viola agreement.
[1:45]
Uh, good evening. Uh tonight I'm uh
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would like to speak on the proposed
[1:49]
agreement for the operations,
[1:51]
maintenance, and management services for
[1:53]
the town sanitary sewer collection
[1:55]
system with Violia Water North America.
[1:58]
We're requesting a bid waiver to be
[2:01]
granted uh for this project. Violia
[2:05]
project manager Shane McCannan, who's
[2:07]
been really great to work with, is our
[2:09]
liaison. Uh, Violia has been performing
[2:11]
the town's tour operations work for the
[2:14]
past 21 years since 2005. They've worked
[2:17]
under the current agreement for the past
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12 years. They were the only bidder at
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the time.
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Julia has been doing a great job. The
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town has developed a comfort level with
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their qualifications and overall
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performance. They always respond in a
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timely manner.
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The initial term of that agreement was
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for four years with two four-year
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extensions.
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The second four-year extension started
[2:40]
in September 2022 and include mutually
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agreed upon annual price increases of
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three and a half% for the first year and
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at 3% for years three two through four.
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The current annual fee is 211,363.
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That includes the annual facility
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operations and maintenance program,
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video inspection of 10% of the system
[3:04]
each year, jetting of 20% of the system
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each year, and a $25,000 allowance for
[3:10]
maintenance and equipment improvements
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uh over the year.
[3:15]
In the current agreement, current
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proposed agreement, there's no changes
[3:20]
to the services provided for the 5-year
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contract.
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And Felia is proposing in annual price
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increases of 0% for year 1, 1.5% for
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year two, 2.75% for years three and
[3:34]
four, and then the CPA for year five.
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But they're [clears throat] willing to
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uh make a uh concession of anywhere
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between 2.75 and 3.5%
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depending upon the CPA CPI.
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The services that Violia provides,
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they're on 24hour call for any
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emergencies. They monitor and maintain
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five pump stations and four metering
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stations.
[4:02]
They responds to they respond to all
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alarms and emergency situations
[4:06]
associated with the collection system,
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pump stations, and metering stations.
[4:11]
They provide monthly activity reports.
[4:14]
They purchase and maintain vehicles and
[4:16]
equipment necessary to operate the
[4:18]
system which is very expensive.
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They complete an annual review of our
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system and provide us with any capital
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improvements that we may need to uh
[4:27]
budget for the next year.
[4:30]
They maintain spare parts for the system
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and they have also developed along with
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the town uh hotspots so that there's
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areas where we know that we have
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concerns uh that we have backups or we
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have uh potential backups. So we make
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sure that we uh address those areas more
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frequently uh than the rest of the
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system to make sure that that we don't
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have any uh issues. They calibrate our
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meters every six months and provide us
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the detail
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and they also provide CBID markouts uh
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for emergencies after hours and the
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cover vacations and holidays.
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Biolia is able to provide this
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competitive pricing because it also
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provides services to the towns of North
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Haven, Orange, Seymour, Derby, Norwok,
[5:18]
New Town, and Stonington.
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To summarize, I feel that based upon the
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limited available contractors, their
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performance, and proposed fees for the
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5-year period, it would be best to
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provide a bid waiver for Violia.
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I can take any questions if you have
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any.
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» Does anyone have any questions in
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regards to this contract? I will say
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that this did come before the finance
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committee at our meeting um last week.
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Um and it was discussed there and Fran
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Morola um the director of public works
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was also there and he also spoke about
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how well Viola has been for the town um
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and the work that they have done for us
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in the last contract and he was very
[6:06]
supportive of us moving forward with the contract. Um,
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>> I have some some figures here. Um, one
[6:14]
of my concerns is the maintenance and
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repair. It's $25,000.
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No variables. That fixed. Is it a use it
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or lose it? They get 25,000. If it's
[6:24]
less, but if it's more, they don't get
[6:27]
more. They only get 25,000.
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>> Uh, nope. So, what we do is we based
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upon the repairs and what the
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recommendations are, what needs to be
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done is based upon 25,000. It's not use
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or lose it. So if we don't use it all
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then it rolls over to the next year um
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so that we can uh utilize it uh at that
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time. It's would be a capital expense.
[6:47]
>> So if any during any one year it's more
[6:49]
than 25,000 what happens? We only pay
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the 25,000
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>> we would only make the repairs that we
[6:54]
can within that $25,000 uh allowance.
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Otherwise we do provide for capital
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improvements to the system. Like this
[7:03]
past year we bought a uh what's called
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the Muffin Monster. It's a grinding
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machine uh that helps uh grind up any uh
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rags or what have you that get into the
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system. Uh we also uh work on replacing
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pumps as necessary. Okay. So that I have
[7:17]
a clear understanding you can agree or
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not agree [clears throat]
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is that over the four years there's a 10
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and a half% raise from the beginning of
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168,000
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to the
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$231,694.
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So each year, the first year is one and
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a half% which
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>> 0%. Sorry, the first year is 0%.
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>> They're keeping their price consistent
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for the first year.
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>> I I said the first year is okay. So, but
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in the next year it's 1 and a.5% which
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gives an increase of 2523.
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Then at 2.75% that's 4,000 change. And
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then at 2.75 it's 4,800 addition. And
[8:05]
then in the last year three and a half%
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it's a 6,300.
[8:09]
So each year they're capitalizing and
[8:11]
compounding their interests every year.
[8:15]
Are you aware of that?
[8:16]
>> Uh yep. Yes. Yeah.
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>> So those are my concerns. I wanted
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people to understand it's not without
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its costs. So it's costing a hefty bill
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especially if the rate of inflation in
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the country in the economy is only four
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or 5%. And they're already at 10 and a
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half guaranteed 10 and a half%. Okay.
[8:34]
>> Well that's over five years though. That
[8:36]
10 and a half years one two fiveyear
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contract.
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>> The first year was free. I see that.
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>> Yeah. But it's still a 5year contract.
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So it's 10 and a half over a 10 over a
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5year which is still the these rates of
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increase are still cheaper than the last
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5 years that we had that he just read
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off how much they went up each year in
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our current contract that is expiring.
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So, so finance committee felt this was a
[9:05]
fair deal and to bring it forward for 5
[9:08]
years uh this percentage increase.
[9:11]
>> They do a great job too. Very committed.
[9:13]
Um as we stated they're there when they
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you know the need to be on call 24
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hours.
[9:19]
>> There aren't that many biders, right?
[9:21]
>> We're not there's only one last time.
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>> There was only one bidder last time when
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they went out to goodbying
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that as you said they do a good job. No,
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we don't because it's in the motion to
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>> I have to say that there's been a couple
[9:34]
of times where we had reported backups
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into basements or what have you and they
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were there within half an hour with all
[9:40]
their equipment ready toh solve the
[9:42]
problem and you know been very happy
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with their uh resources and response.
[9:49]
>> Okay.
[9:51]
So there is a suggested motion on page
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25 of our packet.
[9:55]
>> I'll read that motion. Be it resolved
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that North Brford Water Pollution
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Control Authority approve waving the bid
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requirement and authorize the town
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manager to enter into an agreement with
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Viola Water North America viola to
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provide operations, maintenance,
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management services for the town century
[10:10]
sewer system for a 5-year term in
[10:12]
accordance with uh the submitted prices
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and subject to the review and approval
[10:16]
by the town attorney. This includes the
[10:18]
option to extend the contract for two
[10:20]
subsequent five-year terms subject to
[10:23]
town council approval. Second.
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>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor
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McMillan, seconded by Councelor Diamond.
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>> Any further discussion?
[10:32]
>> A question about the motion, if I may.
[10:34]
>> Mhm.
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>> All right. As it's uh as it was read, it
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says that it's in accordance with the
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submitted prices and subject to review
[10:40]
and approval by the town attorney. I
[10:43]
mean, in reality,
[10:45]
the the town attorney is not really
[10:46]
approving it. It's reviewing and
[10:49]
concurring with. Is that more accurate
[10:51]
to say that? Well, he's he's approving
[10:54]
he's not approving the motion. He's
[10:56]
approving the contract. The contract,
[10:59]
the language in the contract is what
[11:00]
he's he's reviewing and approving the
[11:04]
contract, not the actual motion of
[11:07]
accepting the contract.
[11:08]
>> All right. Very good. Thank you.
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>> Any other questions?
[11:15]
>> All in favor?
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>> I
[11:18]
>> opposed. Abstain. Motion carries. Thank
[11:21]
you.
[11:24]
>> Okay.
[11:27]
Um, citizen statements in regards to uh,
[11:31]
water pollution control authority.
[11:34]
Seeing none, we will go to the regular
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town council meeting.
[11:39]
Okay. Our first item on the agenda under
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regular town council is the appointment
[11:47]
of our town man of a town manager. Um so
[11:51]
the town council has um been busy. We
[11:56]
had a number of applicants. Uh the job
[11:58]
has been posted since February. Um we
[12:01]
went through budget season and then we
[12:04]
took up the role of u being the search
[12:07]
committee for the town manager. Um, we
[12:10]
interviewed a number of candidates and
[12:12]
we are happy tonight to be able to
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appoint the new town manager for North
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Brford and Deputy Mayor McMillan will
[12:20]
read that motion.
[12:20]
>> Yes, we are going to uh enter an item
[12:23]
eight motion. Uh, Madame Mayor, I move
[12:25]
that Scott Nichols be appointed as town
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manager effective July 1st, 2026. The
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annual salary of 160,000 and upon terms
[12:33]
is set forth in a written agreement
[12:34]
between the town and Mr.
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in the in such form as an approved by
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the town attorney and I further move
[12:40]
that the residency requirement for the
[12:41]
town manager as set forth in the charter
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be waved.
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>> Second.
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>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor
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McMillan, seconded by councelor Mace.
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Discussion.
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All in favor?
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>> I opposed.
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Abstain.
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And Scott Nickel is in the audience
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tonight. And Scott, would you like to
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say a few words? First, congratulations.
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» Thank you, mayor. Very much appreciate
[13:14]
it, town council, um, for the unanimous
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appointment. Um, I wanted to thank you
[13:20]
for this is just a tremendous
[13:22]
opportunity in a great town, uh, to be
[13:25]
able to be in service. I want to thank
[13:28]
you for an outstanding process. Uh, the
[13:30]
interviews were great, very thorough.
[13:32]
you did your due diligence um and uh
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that is only always a good sign u for a
[13:38]
good partnership moving forward and uh
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my job as town manager will be to serve
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at uh your pleasure. Um I I wanted to
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acknowledge uh Rory Burke who has been
[13:47]
the acting uh town manager since January
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um and has done a fine job and I I just
[13:53]
wanted to publicly extend uh my thanks
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and looking forward to a great
[13:57]
partnership with Rory. I know it will be
[13:58]
uh we're going to have a lot of fun and
[13:59]
do a lot of great work for the town.
[14:01]
>> [applause]
[14:07]
» Um, I want to take a moment just to uh,
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you know, when we think about uh,
[14:10]
service to the community uh, and just
[14:12]
enriching the lives of North Brford
[14:14]
residents, it all comes from a
[14:16]
foundation of family. I just want to
[14:18]
take a a brief moment to introduce uh,
[14:21]
um, some members of my family. Um, both
[14:23]
of my sons. Um, this is Reese Reese
[14:25]
Nickel. He's a going to be a junior at
[14:27]
Ellington High School.
[14:30]
um Carson Nickel who is going to go into
[14:32]
his junior year at the University of
[14:34]
Connecticut and uh the love of my life
[14:38]
um Heather Nickel uh my wife who is a
[14:40]
she is a principal in elementary school
[14:42]
in New Britain. So I just wanted to
[14:45]
thank them for all of their support.
[14:52]
Um, I wanted to close with um, you know,
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the town manager serves at the pleasure
[14:58]
of the town council who represents the
[15:00]
constituents of uh, all the residents of
[15:03]
North Brford. And so all the work that we do is about enriching their
[15:08]
lives, allowing them the big best
[15:09]
freedom they can for their pursuit of
[15:11]
happiness. Um, that's that's our job.
[15:14]
That's that's it. It's a it's a it's the
[15:15]
north star. And um I I'm well aware that
[15:19]
there is a lot of great boards and
[15:21]
commissions uh department heads and town
[15:24]
employees that feel the same way. And so
[15:26]
I greatly look forward to um
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establishing great relationships uh
[15:31]
really diving into the work, enjoying it
[15:33]
and um just having a great experience
[15:35]
here and um you know it's it it is truly
[15:39]
is an honor. So I just want to thank you
[15:40]
and uh look forward to the opportunity.
[15:42]
>> Thank you. Welcome.
[15:44]
>> Welcome. [applause]
[15:54]
Okay, our next item on the agenda is
[15:57]
reports of committees, boards, and
[15:59]
commission. Uh first one is economic
[16:02]
development.
[16:03]
>> I have nothing.
[16:04]
>> Okay.
[16:05]
uh park and recreation uh met last month
[16:10]
and um just went over all of their
[16:14]
activities. They are getting ready for
[16:16]
their summer camp program uh which is
[16:19]
always very successful and is generally
[16:22]
full um up at Park and Wreck. And also a
[16:27]
new thing that they have started is that
[16:29]
they now take reservations for pickle
[16:32]
ball. Um from between 5:00 p.m. and I
[16:37]
think 1000 p.m. you can go online and
[16:40]
make reservations. There are five courts
[16:43]
that take reservations and then five
[16:46]
courts that are just open play. Um so
[16:48]
that's a new feature that is run through
[16:51]
um park and wreck. You just go to their
[16:53]
website and you can make your
[16:54]
reservations there. And that's all I
[16:57]
have. Police commission.
[17:00]
>> Okay. The police commission met on June
[17:01]
8th. Um, councelor God and I were very
[17:05]
pleased at the beginning of the meeting
[17:07]
which began with a unit citation by
[17:10]
Chief Lovely. He recognized um both
[17:15]
North Brford PD and fire department and
[17:18]
Guilford. There were members of the
[17:20]
Guilford fire department there as well.
[17:21]
They all received a a citation for the
[17:24]
work they did for an incident in May on
[17:28]
the report of a missing juvenile. It was a really lovely thing for them to
[17:31]
do and they all got a beautiful citation
[17:33]
from the chief. Um the chief also
[17:36]
mentioned that um there's been they've
[17:38]
had a quite a heavy uh workload lately
[17:41]
that they're doing very well, but
[17:42]
they've been very very busy in town. Um
[17:45]
he talked about one of the officers is
[17:48]
developing a citizen police academy
[17:51]
which I I guess will probably start in
[17:53]
the fall for about 15 to 20 residents.
[17:57]
Um they're going to be erecting a a
[17:59]
fence around the impound lot and
[18:02]
dumpster. Um and they I'll tell you we
[18:06]
had a lot of continuing discussion about
[18:08]
that whole project at Twin Lakes Road.
[18:10]
That's going to be a big project for a
[18:12]
long time. people are coming and talking
[18:14]
about it and concerns and I think
[18:15]
there's going to be a lot of involvement
[18:17]
on that one and that's that's my report.
[18:19]
>> Okay, great. Thank you.
[18:21]
>> Fire commission
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>> uh fire commission met on June 4th. Um
[18:26]
and they had the the calls for May were
[18:28]
a total of 217 [clears throat] of
[18:31]
various majority being emergency
[18:33]
medical. Um then also um there was a letter from assistant
[18:40]
chief Espazito
[18:42]
um moving to uh active retired as of
[18:47]
July 1st, 2026.
[18:49]
And uh I'd like to thank
[18:52]
uh Anthony for his uh dedication to the
[18:55]
town. It's been about what 45 years
[18:59]
in the plan. Yeah.
[18:59]
>> Yeah. Wow.
[19:02]
>> [applause]
[19:05]
» I'm not quite sure what active retire
[19:07]
is.
[19:08]
>> Active retire means at 65 you can stay
[19:10]
active but you can start collecting your
[19:11]
pension.
[19:12]
>> Okay. All right. Thanks.
[19:13]
>> And then um
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>> yes there'll be [laughter]
[19:17]
>> there was uh three other um members
[19:21]
acknowledged
[19:22]
um for going above and beyond. Jimmy
[19:24]
Gleason, Bob Norio, Bob Odell uh for
[19:28]
their assistance in regards with um
[19:31]
a gentleman needing fuel oil in his
[19:33]
driveway cleared um an elderly man and
[19:37]
they and they took good care of him and
[19:38]
got him his oil um and also bringing a
[19:41]
woman to a doctor's appointment and then
[19:44]
back home. So that was it.
[19:46]
>> Okay, thank you. Uh planning and zoning.
[19:50]
>> Uh planning and zoning. I missed that
[19:52]
meeting. I was on vacation. U looking
[19:54]
for the minutes can report back.
[19:56]
>> No problem. Finance subcommittee. Uh we
[20:00]
met last week. There are a number of
[20:03]
items on our agenda tonight um later on
[20:07]
regarding things that we had talked
[20:08]
about at um finance committee. Um
[20:14]
so the things that uh Eshore Health is
[20:16]
here which will be giving a um
[20:19]
presentation uh a little bit in regards
[20:22]
to a request um for some water water
[20:25]
quality um a replacement of a truck in
[20:28]
public works. They had a very rough
[20:30]
winter as we found out during budget
[20:33]
season. They were down they lost three
[20:36]
trucks this season and now they've lost
[20:38]
a fourth truck. Um so um they're coming
[20:42]
forward with some um with a request uh
[20:46]
for that. Um and then we we'll have just
[20:50]
the regular an um financial reports also
[20:54]
on here that's off that I have uh public
[20:58]
safety communications subcommittee.
[21:00]
>> Public safety met on June 10th and Mayor
[21:04]
Angelone joined us for that meeting. We
[21:06]
received an update on the testing of the
[21:09]
new channel lineup that was done by the
[21:11]
department. I have to give a lot of
[21:12]
kudos again. I probably did it last week
[21:14]
or last month. Um I have Deputy Chief
[21:17]
Colangelo has really done an outstanding
[21:20]
job in coming up with a new system. It's
[21:22]
working so far and it's interesting that
[21:26]
um we have found out that there are
[21:28]
other towns that are having problems
[21:30]
with the repeaters from Motorola.
[21:33]
We want Motorola to come for a meeting
[21:36]
in September, but before that on
[21:37]
September 9th, I the committee would
[21:41]
like to have an executive session
[21:43]
hopefully with the town attorney. And
[21:45]
what we would also like to do is have
[21:47]
the people on council who are leazone to
[21:50]
the fire department and police
[21:51]
department. We'd like the mayor and the
[21:53]
deputy mayor to be there. I know I sound
[21:55]
like a broken record, but I think this
[21:57]
whole issue with Motorola has gotten out
[22:00]
of control and we need to do something.
[22:02]
So, what we'd like to do, and I'm going
[22:04]
to be emailing the town attorney to have
[22:06]
this meeting on September 9th, and if
[22:08]
you guys can all come that are part of
[22:10]
those commissions, I think it's
[22:11]
important. I think it's time to make a
[22:13]
decision what what what's happening with
[22:15]
Motorola. Now, they claim they're going to fix it, but we don't no
[22:18]
one's here heard from them. So, that's my report.
[22:23]
[clears throat]
[22:23]
>> Thank you. Uh, Inland Wetlands,
[22:26]
>> uh, no report. I don't believe that I
[22:28]
met for a couple months.
[22:30]
>> Okay.
[22:31]
Um that usually means they don't have
[22:33]
anything on their agenda. It's just
[22:35]
they're not putting things [snorts] off
[22:36]
it. They just Inland Wetlands doesn't
[22:38]
have anything right now. So that's fine.
[22:40]
Um blueprint committee no meeting. Okay.
[22:45]
>> All right. That concludes uh reports
[22:49]
from committees, boards, and
[22:50]
commissions. We are on to [snorts] the
[22:53]
town manager report.
[22:56]
Um,
[22:58]
tonight I'll be speaking about the
[23:00]
incident that occurred at 21 David Lane
[23:02]
on June 5th. Uh, all of the
[23:06]
investigations remain ongoing. Once
[23:09]
they're completed, the investigating
[23:10]
agencies will release them to the
[23:12]
public. The Department of Energy and
[23:15]
Environmental Protection completed their
[23:16]
site cleanup. They removed all the
[23:19]
improperly stored materials. They also
[23:22]
conducted well testing on all the
[23:24]
adjacent properties which came back
[23:26]
negative for any contamination.
[23:28]
Regarding the town's actions to date,
[23:31]
enforcement efforts go back to at least
[23:33]
2010 with subsequent enforcement actions
[23:35]
in 2014 and 2017.
[23:38]
Our files indicate that the property was
[23:40]
cleaned as of May 2019.
[23:43]
In these complaints, I could not find
[23:45]
any indication that hazards existed
[23:47]
beyond the blighted conditions
[23:49]
themselves. Prior enforcement efforts
[23:51]
focused on unregistered vehicles and
[23:54]
operating an illegal junkyard as the
[23:56]
town's blight ordinance was not passed
[23:58]
until 2024.
[24:00]
In recent years, a zoning violation
[24:02]
letter was issued in January of 2024.
[24:06]
After the passage of the blight
[24:07]
ordinance in July of 2024, a blight
[24:10]
complaint was received and a violation
[24:12]
letter was issued shortly thereafter.
[24:14]
Our files indicate that the blight
[24:16]
enforcement officer has been in frequent
[24:18]
communication with the property owner.
[24:21]
Generally, the town works with the
[24:22]
property owner on a blight issue. Our
[24:24]
goal is never to collect fines, but
[24:26]
rather to ensure that the blight issue
[24:28]
is remediated.
[24:29]
Typically, fines are not imposed if the
[24:32]
property owner is demonstrating
[24:33]
compliance.
[24:35]
The communications in the file
[24:36]
demonstrate that each time fines were
[24:38]
about to be imposed, the property owner
[24:40]
would move forward with remediation
[24:42]
efforts that forestal the issuance of
[24:44]
fines. As [snorts] recently as March of
[24:46]
this year, we again began communicating
[24:48]
with the property owner, indicating that
[24:50]
as unless substantial progress was made,
[24:53]
fines would be issued. Following the
[24:55]
incident on June 5th, another violation
[24:57]
notice was issued. The property owner
[24:59]
currently has until June 22nd to
[25:01]
demonstrate significant compliance or
[25:04]
fines will begin acrewing. Additionally,
[25:06]
following the incident, the building
[25:08]
official also issued a building code
[25:10]
violation
[25:11]
uh which the owner will have 45 days to
[25:13]
remediate.
[25:16]
Uh the town is committed to remediating
[25:18]
the issues on the property and ensuring
[25:19]
that the conditions that led to the fire
[25:22]
on June 5th are remediated.
[25:25]
Uh we've also begun reviewing the blight
[25:28]
complaint procedure and the current
[25:29]
blight ordinance to ensure that similar
[25:31]
incidents do not occur going forward.
[25:33]
We'll bring forward recommendations to
[25:35]
the council when the review is complete.
[25:38]
Um and then additionally, I just would
[25:40]
like to thank the council uh for
[25:42]
entrusting me as the acting town manager
[25:45]
for the past six months. Um, it was an
[25:48]
immense pleasure to work with the
[25:49]
department heads and and serve the
[25:51]
residents of the town and I look forward
[25:52]
to working with uh the new town manager
[25:54]
going forward.
[25:55]
>> Thank you.
[25:57]
>> That's my report.
[25:59]
>> Rory, what is being done right now as
[26:01]
far as the cleanup? Is there a cleanup
[26:04]
going on there right now?
[26:07]
um from the emails back and forth with
[26:11]
the property owner. Um
[26:15]
you know, part part of the issue
[26:18]
is there's unregistered vehicles on the
[26:20]
property. Um and then there is there's a
[26:24]
lot of other material of of all types.
[26:28]
Um
[26:29]
he's indicated that he is getting a
[26:32]
dumpster. He's aware of the timeline. it
[26:34]
was included in the notice that went out
[26:36]
to him. Um I think given the
[26:41]
circumstances, uh he's been given a lot
[26:44]
of leeway in the past. Um and
[26:47]
[clears throat] I think going forward
[26:49]
the the leash will be much shorter. Um
[26:51]
our our primary concern is getting the
[26:54]
property cleaned up. Um fines do not
[26:57]
necessarily achieve that. Um and so as
[27:01]
long as he continues to demonstrate
[27:03]
compliance, the town will continue to
[27:05]
work with him. Um but if if he is not
[27:09]
making consistent progress, um we will
[27:12]
move to enforce the fines.
[27:14]
>> So we're inspecting like is how is it up
[27:18]
to him? If he decides, well, maybe I'll
[27:19]
clean up today, maybe I won't clean
[27:21]
today, maybe I'll clean next week. It's
[27:23]
up to him. Is it up to him? Mhm.
[27:26]
>> Uh it is up to the town in terms of when
[27:30]
the fines are issued. Um similar to
[27:34]
other enforcement
[27:36]
uh issues that we have going on in town.
[27:39]
Um
[27:41]
you know finding the property owner
[27:45]
doesn't necessarily lead to cleanup.
[27:49]
Um
[27:52]
it it is not black and white in the
[27:54]
ordinance as to where the line is. It is
[27:57]
largely at the discretion of the
[27:58]
enforcement official. But it has been
[28:00]
made clear to the enforcement official
[28:02]
that uh you know the property owner has
[28:05]
been given enough leeway.
[28:08]
So there are going to be definitive
[28:09]
dates of which we are expecting progress
[28:11]
and we'll we will
[28:13]
>> correct
[28:14]
>> under the the guidelines that we have we
[28:16]
will enforce on he was given 10 business
[28:19]
days in in the notice that went out on
[28:21]
the 9th that
[28:22]
>> understandably there's a process and a
[28:23]
process has to be met you know we're a
[28:25]
town we're not
[28:26]
>> he has to be given due process he has to
[28:27]
be given an opportunity to remediate
[28:30]
>> um but again if
[28:34]
>> he said that a dumpster is coming if a
[28:35]
dumpster does not come then there's no
[28:38]
leeway.
[28:39]
>> Okay. Yeah.
[28:40]
>> And if things do not begin to fill the
[28:42]
dumpster, there will be no leeway.
[28:46]
>> Yeah. There's there's another um house
[28:49]
over on Beach Street where there's a lot
[28:50]
been a lot of complaints about the same
[28:52]
issue about blight. And what's funny on
[28:54]
the way here cuz I live right near
[28:55]
there. On the way here today, the fire
[28:58]
department was going to that house. So I
[29:01]
was driving here, the fire department's
[29:03]
going to the other house in town, which
[29:05]
is the same way. So, put the fire
[29:07]
department's there right now.
[29:08]
[clears throat]
[29:09]
>> Yes, the ambulance is there.
[29:10]
>> The ambulance.
[29:15]
» Thank you.
[29:21]
» Do you have any other general updates?
[29:23]
>> Okay. Um,
[29:24]
>> thanks.
[29:25]
>> Permanent project building committee. Do
[29:27]
you have any updates?
[29:28]
>> Um, largely the same. Uh, driveway
[29:32]
cracks remain under review at the police
[29:34]
department. Um the repair of the green
[29:38]
roof at the high school is ongoing. Uh
[29:41]
entryway tile cracks are being reviewed
[29:43]
for repair and replacement and the
[29:45]
warranty and closeout process uh remains
[29:49]
underway.
[29:50]
Edward Smith construction is uh
[29:53]
progressing. It's currently on schedule
[29:55]
for its July 31st completion.
[29:59]
Uh this the storage building, no
[30:01]
significant progress. uh and Stanley T.
[30:05]
Um they are working on replacing uh the
[30:08]
awning that leads to the side entrance.
[30:10]
Uh and then new signage uh was installed
[30:13]
on the front of the building.
[30:15]
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.
[30:20]
Next item is citizen statements,
[30:22]
petitions, and correspondence.
[30:25]
Um so just a reminder, um I see a number
[30:29]
of new faces here. Um, if you come up to
[30:32]
make comments, it's you're limited to
[30:34]
three minutes and you need to state your
[30:36]
name and address for the record. Also,
[30:39]
if there's anyone that is coming up um
[30:42]
to speak about David Lane,
[30:44]
unfortunately, the council cannot um say
[30:47]
anything in regards to that because it
[30:48]
still is an open investigation. We will
[30:51]
take your comments and they'll go into
[30:52]
the record um from there. Um but we
[30:55]
cannot comment on the situation.
[30:59]
Any
[31:01]
comments at this time?
[31:05]
[clears throat]
[31:08]
» My name is Robert Spano and I live on
[31:10]
Nine David Lane. Um, this incident has
[31:14]
been going on over 10 years and everyone
[31:17]
knows this. Um,
[31:20]
it should never have happened to begin
[31:22]
with. The blight wall was in effect
[31:25]
since for 11 months. This has been
[31:28]
reported.
[31:29]
Um they sent a sanitarian who has no
[31:32]
background in explosives, leeching
[31:34]
chemicals or explosions or um scrap
[31:38]
metal uh scrap um metal that's been
[31:41]
exploding around and almost hit children
[31:43]
and stuff of this nature.
[31:45]
the town and that area, I'm sorry, the
[31:47]
area there is very, very upset about why
[31:50]
this is allowed to happen at this point
[31:52]
and gone this far. All right.
[31:56]
And we're not going to let this go until
[31:58]
it's completed to not only the town, but
[32:01]
to our satisfaction, that house, just
[32:04]
for the public record, is rotting on the
[32:07]
outside with holes on the end coming
[32:09]
through, leaking into the house. He's
[32:13]
the owner of the house has showed me
[32:15]
snakes that he's been bringing out rat
[32:18]
snakes and this kind of stuff. This
[32:20]
again
[32:22]
on behalf of the people behind me, their
[32:25]
children. One of them right now is going
[32:27]
to counseling because of the explosions
[32:30]
and fire and at some point the town may
[32:33]
be held responsible for it legally.
[32:37]
That's my statement. Thank you.
[32:39]
>> Thank you.
[32:46]
Are are are there any other public
[32:48]
comments,
[32:57]
Bill Sando, Sunnyside Drive,
[33:01]
I'm here to support the Veterans Council
[33:04]
that's coming up on your agenda tonight.
[33:07]
Uh the veterans council has been formed
[33:10]
for two years now. They're uh got a few
[33:13]
items they've been working on. This hall
[33:16]
of honor uh they're presenting is a is a
[33:20]
good thing. So
[33:22]
uh I'm here to support them.
[33:25]
Um, in the past I've talked about a tax
[33:29]
freeze for senior senior seniors and I
[33:32]
keep talking about it and till I get
[33:34]
some answers. I know we're way over the
[33:37]
budget season. Nothing we can do now.
[33:40]
But we got to we got to look at it in
[33:42]
the fall, next budget season. Uh I can
[33:46]
only remind you that our neighbors in
[33:49]
Brford
[33:50]
are uh the first elect
[33:53]
of a campaign promise to get a tax
[33:56]
freeze for seniors and they talk about
[33:59]
it for 6 months on the rules and
[34:02]
ordinance committee which is on BCTV on
[34:06]
demand. So if you want to get a little
[34:08]
information you could they don't say
[34:11]
much but they're working on it.
[34:15]
the blight situation. This is very I
[34:18]
mean the worst nightmare has happened.
[34:21]
Uh you know I've been involved with
[34:24]
blight going back in a few years and I
[34:27]
was part of couple of people that was
[34:31]
helped to get that audience passed and
[34:33]
uh I can see there's people here that
[34:36]
are very very concerned and believe me I
[34:40]
appreciate that.
[34:43]
Taka TV. I'm not sure how you uh how I
[34:47]
know how you we ended up giving them an
[34:50]
extra couple of thousand, but uh I don't
[34:55]
know on their end how they felt about
[34:56]
it, too.
[34:59]
But uh we're going back to the blight a
[35:01]
minute. Uh you know, again, we've been
[35:06]
talking about it very infrequently
[35:08]
at council chambers here, but uh we had
[35:12]
good luck going back several years when
[35:15]
Tom Hogy was here. He was a part- timerr
[35:19]
working with the town planner.
[35:22]
uh and actually through co
[35:25]
uh he was out and of course CO happened
[35:30]
and he left after that but Tom was doing
[35:33]
reports every 6 months I think he was
[35:36]
actually doing it on his own not that he
[35:39]
necessarily had to do it and that's when
[35:42]
you know you could if you could realize
[35:45]
what was going on in different areas and
[35:48]
all forms of blight meaning serious just
[35:53]
serious ordinances and just some minor
[35:56]
violations. But uh so I don't know if we
[36:00]
got a new town planner yet, but I hope
[36:03]
he's pretty strong in this and maybe in
[36:06]
the next budget season we can get that
[36:09]
part-time back. I think the Tom Hogy was
[36:12]
an ex state policeman. It's a my own
[36:16]
opinion is it's a good good place to
[36:18]
start. person's got experience in
[36:21]
handling people.
[36:24]
And the last thing in reference to that
[36:26]
right here in town now you have the BH
[36:29]
care.
[36:31]
They are behavioral people.
[36:34]
Maybe if we got a situation like you
[36:36]
have on David Lane, we can get a
[36:39]
behavioral person in there
[36:42]
or try to get him in there.
[36:46]
>> That's all. Thank you.
[36:47]
>> Thank you.
[36:55]
» [clears throat]
[36:56]
>> How you doing, folks? My name is Hank
[36:57]
Townsen. Uh 15 David Lane, immediate
[37:00]
neighbor to 21 David Lane. Um I've lived
[37:03]
there for the past five or so years and
[37:05]
my in-laws have lived across the street
[37:07]
for much longer than that. Um this has
[37:10]
been going on for almost two decades now
[37:12]
since the property was bought. uh you
[37:15]
know, even when it was cleaned up, it
[37:17]
seems as though all the stuff was pushed
[37:18]
into the back of the yard and covered
[37:20]
over the tarps. Uh the night of the
[37:23]
fire, the homeowner was allowed to stay
[37:26]
behind the yellow line overnight for 6
[37:29]
hours until the investigation occurred.
[37:32]
Um [snorts] we personally have pictures
[37:35]
of him dumping bottles of acetone and
[37:38]
other combustible chemicals into spray
[37:40]
bottles. What the intention was with
[37:41]
that was, I don't know. But nonetheless,
[37:44]
I don't know if it was to hide it, to
[37:46]
use it for other things. I don't know.
[37:48]
Um there's if there's not a 100 plus
[37:52]
buckets, there's not one. Every single
[37:53]
year, my house is riddled with
[37:55]
mosquitoes. There's I see cockroaches in
[37:59]
the yard that were if I get rid of them
[38:02]
and [snorts] then spray the property
[38:03]
line, they never come back on that side.
[38:06]
So clearly there's an issue here that's
[38:09]
much much deeper than just the outside
[38:11]
horde.
[38:13]
It's the house is dilapitated in my
[38:16]
opinion. I'm no expert but there's no
[38:18]
way that house is liveable. There's two
[38:20]
almost basketballized holes in the roof.
[38:23]
I mean it it's something's got to give
[38:27]
here. you know, we uh
[38:31]
I mean, obviously all you guys could
[38:33]
understand that, you know, you'd be
[38:34]
equally as upset with this and I'm not
[38:36]
trying to drag anybody through the mud,
[38:38]
but obviously this man needs help and
[38:41]
obviously it's not going to get done as
[38:43]
on his own. I also worked with Mr. Anrio
[38:47]
and this hoarding tendency also carried
[38:50]
over to work and it was also going on
[38:53]
there as well. And then when he was
[38:54]
forced to take it all home, it all got
[38:56]
hoarded into his yard as well. So this
[38:59]
is not an issue that is just going to go
[39:00]
away and he's not just going to clean
[39:02]
up. A couple people I know offered to
[39:05]
supply him dumpsters free of charge if
[39:09]
he just picked it up and threw it out.
[39:10]
He refuses to do that. He wants to
[39:12]
separate it all into scrap. So he's
[39:14]
clearly operating a illegal scrap
[39:16]
business out of his yard, which if I
[39:20]
remember correctly, Beach Street is
[39:22]
under investigation for the same thing.
[39:24]
Why is this not under investigation?
[39:28]
I think he's been shown bias because
[39:30]
he's a volunteer firefighter. While I do
[39:31]
appreciate that about him, it doesn't
[39:34]
make you exempt from this. And I'll
[39:36]
leave with that. Thank you.
[39:38]
>> Thank you.
[39:46]
My name is Nicole Trobridge. I live at
[39:48]
27 David Lane adjacent on the other side
[39:50]
of the house that um had the explosion.
[39:53]
I'd like to read on behalf of a neighbor
[39:55]
who couldn't be here today. I think he
[39:56]
summarized our experience well. I want
[39:59]
to begin by saying that this is not
[40:00]
personal. I have never had a negative
[40:02]
interaction with my neighbor. I do not
[40:04]
wish him harm. However, the condition of
[40:06]
this property has been a serious concern
[40:08]
for many years, and the recent fire
[40:10]
demonstrated exactly why. I have lived
[40:12]
in the neighborhood for approximately um
[40:14]
nearly 10 years. During that entire
[40:17]
time, the property has contained large
[40:18]
amounts of accumulated materials,
[40:20]
including including vehicle parts,
[40:21]
tires, fuel containers, propane tanks,
[40:24]
scrap materials, and other debris. The
[40:25]
condition of the property is visible to
[40:27]
anyone who drives by. At approximately
[40:30]
2:00 in the morning, um our neighborhood
[40:32]
was awakened by a massive fire. There
[40:34]
were explosions, flying debris, and
[40:35]
significant emergency response activity.
[40:38]
Children were outside their homes
[40:39]
watching the fire. I was concerned
[40:41]
enough about the possibility of a larger
[40:43]
explosion that I directed some of those
[40:45]
children to come inside and stay away
[40:46]
from the scene. Thankfully, nobody was
[40:49]
seriously injured, but I believe we were
[40:50]
fortunate. The outcome could have been
[40:52]
much worse. What concerns me most is
[40:54]
that this was not an unforeseeable
[40:56]
event. Many residents [snorts] have
[40:57]
raised concerns about the property over
[40:59]
the years. Those concerns were not
[41:00]
simply about appearances. There were
[41:02]
concerns about safety. The day after the
[41:05]
fire, numerous agencies responded to
[41:06]
investigate the site. Environmental
[41:08]
testing was conducted. The Department of
[41:11]
Energy and Environmental Protection um
[41:13]
even tested nearby wells because of the
[41:15]
concerns about the possible
[41:16]
contamination. That alone demonstrates
[41:19]
the seriousness of what occurred. I'm
[41:21]
asking the town to take whatever actions
[41:23]
they are are necessary to ensure this
[41:25]
property no longer presents a danger to
[41:26]
the neighborhood. Whether that means
[41:28]
inspections, code enforcement,
[41:30]
remediation, cleanup requirements, or
[41:32]
other legal measures is for the
[41:33]
appropriate officials to determine. What
[41:35]
[snorts] I am asking for is simple. A
[41:37]
thorough inspection, transparency about
[41:39]
the findings, and meaningful action so
[41:41]
that the residents can feel confident
[41:42]
that this will not happen again. The
[41:44]
families who live nearby should not have
[41:46]
to wonder whether the next fire,
[41:47]
explosion, or environmental hazard will
[41:49]
be worse than the last one. We pay
[41:52]
taxes, we maintain our homes, and we
[41:53]
care about our community. We are simply
[41:55]
asking the town to protect the safety of
[41:57]
the people who live here. I'd also like
[41:59]
to bring up a few separate concerns to
[42:02]
um kind of go on the back of what Hank
[42:04]
had mentioned about while we do
[42:06]
appreciate this person's um commitment
[42:09]
to the community as a volunteer
[42:10]
firefighter in a past one. We do think
[42:12]
that there was some bias shown.
[42:14]
[clears throat] Upon arriving to the
[42:16]
scene, some firefighters indicated that
[42:18]
Mr. Anafhrio was there with a garden
[42:19]
hose, was asked to leave several times
[42:21]
and to get out of the way. He had not.
[42:23]
Some firefighters were injured, although
[42:25]
those reports have been pretty quiet. I
[42:28]
had also talked to a police officer
[42:29]
about the possibility of substance
[42:31]
abuse, as there is a history of that for
[42:33]
Mr. Anrio. I often find him sleeping in
[42:35]
his truck down the street. And that
[42:37]
evening when I went outside at 2 a.m., I
[42:39]
did see the headlights on, which I
[42:41]
initially thought he was just coming
[42:42]
home. I was told by the police officer
[42:45]
was not their scope, and to talk to the
[42:47]
fire marshal. The fire marshal told me
[42:48]
it was not his responsibility to speak
[42:50]
to the police. Hours had gone by, no
[42:52]
tests, no answers. We were told an
[42:55]
original idea of why the fire may have
[42:57]
started and the story changed later on.
[42:59]
I also um did not get much more
[43:02]
information beyond that from the fire
[43:03]
marshall, although I did hear about the
[43:05]
award that Mr. Anrio was presented that
[43:07]
evening.
[43:09]
I have not seen much of an apology from
[43:12]
that man at all, which to be expected
[43:14]
with someone who has not taken any
[43:15]
responsibility from this. I would just
[43:18]
like some accountability.
[43:20]
That night at 2:00 a.m. when I went
[43:22]
outside and brought my children to the
[43:24]
edge of our yard, two metal pieces
[43:29]
went flying by their heads.
[43:34]
Age seven and nine. If it wasn't up the
[43:36]
explosion, it could have been anything
[43:38]
else.
[43:40]
I'm sorry, but you have to wrap it up
[43:41]
cuz you're over the
[43:43]
>> Okay, that's fine. But, you know, to
[43:44]
hear that we are a town, not the
[43:46]
Gustapo, doesn't feel very promising for
[43:48]
change or a solution. I'd like you to
[43:50]
consider the seriousness if this was
[43:52]
your family involved.
[43:53]
>> We understand the seriousness.
[43:54]
>> Thank you.
[44:09]
My name is Roxan Blancefield. I live at
[44:11]
10 David Lane. My grandchildren live
[44:14]
right next door to that house. My
[44:16]
concern with him is mental health issues
[44:18]
and he has firearms in that house.
[44:22]
When he's been contacted about the
[44:24]
blight, has anybody gone in that house
[44:28]
or actually walked through that
[44:29]
backyard?
[44:31]
I know there have been people in the
[44:33]
front of the yard and talking to him.
[44:37]
I've got some serious concerns about his
[44:39]
mental health issues and when push comes
[44:42]
to shove and he's forced to clean up
[44:43]
that mess. I'm afraid he's going to go
[44:46]
after people as he's already gone after
[44:48]
them verbally because he's angry about
[44:50]
what's happened.
[44:52]
We are angry and we would really like
[44:55]
his guys to step up and force him to
[44:58]
take care of that or step in and take
[45:01]
care of it yourselves.
[45:10]
I would also like to add thank you to
[45:12]
the fire department. They did a
[45:13]
phenomenal job on making sure the fire
[45:15]
did not reach either of our houses. I
[45:16]
was amazed because there was explosion
[45:20]
that I saw that I I basically wrote my
[45:22]
house off and the fire department did a
[45:25]
phenomenal job on taking care of the
[45:27]
fire. Just want to end on a good note.
[45:29]
>> Thank you.
[45:35]
Are there any other public comments?
[45:38]
>> Yes. [snorts]
[45:43]
» Dave Tracel, 22 David Lane. I live
[45:45]
across the street and I've been dealing
[45:47]
with this for 10 years and I waited for
[45:49]
10 years to say anything because we were
[45:51]
pretty friendly in the beginning and at
[45:53]
one time I tried to actually help him
[45:54]
sell stuff, that sort of thing. It got
[45:57]
to the point I couldn't sit on my front
[45:58]
porch anymore. Whatever. Don't care. I
[46:01]
don't don't really care too much about
[46:02]
that. Next thing you know, there's trash
[46:05]
blowing in my yard, all that stuff. Next
[46:08]
thing you know, I'm like, you know what?
[46:08]
I'm done with this. File a complaint,
[46:11]
follow the procedure, called the health
[46:13]
department because I had my doubts that
[46:14]
anything was going to happen. That was a
[46:16]
year ago. Nothing happened. This is well
[46:21]
documented,
[46:23]
very well documented, and it looks very
[46:25]
bad for the town.
[46:27]
I've also noticed since I live across
[46:29]
the street, every single day when I get
[46:30]
up at 5:00 in the morning, I take a
[46:32]
picture of the house because I'm the one
[46:35]
that has to see it. My son, who now has
[46:38]
to go to therapy because of all the
[46:40]
explosions and gunshots and stuff that
[46:42]
Nicole presented, has having a hard time
[46:44]
sleeping at night. He wants to move. My
[46:46]
kid wants to move. That's not an option.
[46:48]
I'm not moving. He is.
[46:52]
You following me here? This is not This
[46:54]
situation is not sustainable for anyone.
[46:57]
and I'm not having it. So, I'm going to
[47:00]
continue taking pictures every single
[47:02]
day and I'm going to probably start
[47:03]
sending them to you because we're going
[47:04]
to type pretty soon and I'm going to
[47:07]
help you guys monitor the situation. I
[47:09]
highly recommend you send someone down
[47:10]
there at least twice a day cuz there's
[47:12]
no dumpster there. There's no dumpster
[47:13]
coming. He thinks he's going to get away
[47:16]
with it.
[47:18]
Don't let him.
[47:32]
Hello, I'm Richard Zender. I live at 33
[47:34]
David Lane. And like my neighbors, uh,
[47:37]
we've lived at that address for 37
[47:40]
years. Uh, I don't really want to
[47:43]
editorialize about Bob at all. I can't
[47:45]
say I haven't been his friend. Evening
[47:48]
walks, stop, talk to him while he's out
[47:49]
in the driveway. But if there was any
[47:52]
wind that evening or if we didn't have
[47:54]
rains, heavy rains just prior to there's
[47:57]
a water company property right behind
[47:59]
everyone's house. The whole thing, it
[48:01]
could have been a huge conflictration
[48:03]
into the woods and everybody else, all
[48:04]
the neighbors homes, at least on that
[48:06]
side of the street. So, I've lived there
[48:09]
too long to just sit there and not say
[48:11]
anything. I tried to be quiet, but my
[48:13]
neighbors are standing up, so I had to
[48:15]
come up here and say something. Thank
[48:17]
you.
[48:25]
Are there any other public comments at
[48:28]
this time? Okay. We also received a um
[48:32]
email for public comments to be entered
[48:35]
into the record. It is I'm not going to
[48:37]
read the whole thing. I'll just It's
[48:39]
from Cara Papa and her email uh we all
[48:42]
have a copy at our desks and um our
[48:45]
clerk will enter it into the record. But
[48:48]
it is in regards to
[48:51]
um right now that they there's a group
[48:54]
of people that are collecting signatures
[48:57]
um for a petition to request a charter
[49:00]
revision commission. So that is actively
[49:03]
going on in town right now. Um and the
[49:06]
whole letter the email will be as part
[49:09]
of the minutes that everyone can read.
[49:11]
Also, we also received an email from
[49:14]
Bill Savastano, but he happens to be
[49:16]
here tonight, and so he touched on his,
[49:18]
but we will also enter his comments um
[49:21]
written comments into the record uh that
[49:24]
was submitted.
[49:26]
Um
[49:28]
and in our packet, there's also
[49:31]
correspondence from a resident. This um
[49:34]
because it's an anonymous letter, just
[49:36]
to let people know, this will not become
[49:38]
part of the minutes. Anonymous letters
[49:40]
will not appear in our minutes at all.
[49:44]
Um the the protocol is for any comments
[49:48]
to come into our records. Um we need
[49:50]
name and address. Um and so since it was
[49:52]
anonymous, it will not be part of the
[49:55]
record at all.
[49:59]
Okay. Going on to resignations and
[50:02]
appointments.
[50:04]
Do I hear an appointment for Alexander
[50:06]
Lenduli to the Veteran Service
[50:08]
Commission as an alternate to replace
[50:10]
Victoria Caroline term to expire
[50:13]
1231208?
[50:16]
>> I'll make the motion.
[50:17]
>> Second.
[50:18]
>> Motion was made by Deputy Mayor
[50:20]
McMillan, seconded by Councelor Diamond.
[50:23]
All in favor? I
[50:24]
>> I
[50:25]
>> opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.
[50:30]
Um, next item, unfinished business.
[50:33]
discussion and action tractor pull
[50:35]
events.
[50:39]
» Uh this was an item that was discussed
[50:41]
at the May 19th town council meeting. Um
[50:45]
the agriculture commission uh if you
[50:48]
recall is looking to take over the
[50:50]
tractor pull events. Um
[50:54]
the issue revolved around liability
[50:56]
insurance for the town. Um
[51:01]
at that time we were awaiting
[51:03]
um some additional quotes for the
[51:07]
insurance. Um it depended on a number of
[51:10]
factors. So I touched base with Cliff
[51:12]
Potter uh after the last meeting uh with
[51:15]
the information that he provided. We got
[51:17]
updated quotes. The total uh for the two
[51:20]
events would be $658
[51:24]
per per year. Um so in addition to that
[51:28]
uh
[51:30]
our insurance broker
[51:33]
um had recommended some changes with our
[51:34]
auto liability policies. As a result we
[51:37]
have um a savings of approximately
[51:40]
$7,000 in that line item in the next
[51:43]
fiscal year. Um and so there's
[51:46]
sufficient funds available to cover that
[51:48]
expense. Um and so you know the council
[51:51]
had indicated that they wanted to pursue
[51:53]
this if that uh amount is acceptable to
[51:57]
you. Uh no further action is taken and
[51:59]
we can provide the insurance coverage
[52:01]
for the events.
[52:04]
Does anyone have any questions in
[52:06]
regards to this Rori? Okay. Move ahead.
[52:13]
All right. Um the next item under
[52:15]
unfinished business is use of opioid
[52:18]
funds for the life pack 15. Uh this was
[52:22]
approved at last month's meeting. Um
[52:25]
unfortunately it was an incomplete um
[52:27]
motion. Um on there uh because it it the
[52:33]
cost of the this is exceeds our bid
[52:36]
threshold. Um we need to wave the
[52:41]
purchase requirement or the bid
[52:43]
requirement for this um because this is
[52:47]
uh these if I remember correct are
[52:50]
refurbished life packs. Correct. Right.
[52:53]
So on the refurbished there would only
[52:54]
be one source the person that is doing
[52:57]
them and this is at quite a savings um
[53:00]
if you had to buy them new. So we
[53:02]
approve the purchase and where the funds
[53:04]
would come from. So, there is a motion
[53:07]
on page 30 of our packet that we have to
[53:10]
do to finish this one.
[53:12]
>> I'll make that motion. Uh, that town
[53:14]
council wave the bid requirement for the
[53:16]
purchase of two life pack 15 monitors to
[53:18]
the town's opioid fund in an amount not
[53:21]
to exceed $53,500.
[53:23]
Second that
[53:25]
>> motion was made by Deputy Mayor
[53:27]
McMillan, seconded by Councelor Miller.
[53:30]
Discussion.
[53:32]
>> All in favor? I
[53:34]
>> I
[53:34]
>> opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.
[53:39]
Okay. Now we are on to new business
[53:42]
discussion and action. First item is
[53:45]
Hall of Honor Veteran Service
[53:47]
Commission.
[53:49]
And I see Hamlet Hernandez is up.
[53:53]
>> My name is Hamlet Hernandez. I reside at
[53:55]
63 Ledgewood Drive in North Brford.
[53:59]
>> Good evening. I'm here on behalf of the
[54:01]
Veteran Service Commission. First of
[54:02]
all, I just want to thank the council
[54:04]
for their support of the commission. It
[54:06]
was established by this council tonight.
[54:08]
Really, we are here to really get
[54:10]
clarification uh and a decision relative
[54:13]
to the hall of honor. We envision we've
[54:16]
been working on the hall of honor to
[54:17]
honor our veterans in town that are
[54:20]
distinguished. And we had spoken to Mr.
[54:23]
DS the predecessor to Rory and now to
[54:27]
Todd
[54:29]
around getting this hallway by the town
[54:32]
assessors as dedicated area for the hall
[54:35]
of honor. Uh we are working on the
[54:37]
nomination form. We have just completed
[54:40]
that with the IT department. So, we have
[54:42]
a nomination form that we will pair a
[54:45]
communication to the community uh
[54:47]
working with our town manager and
[54:49]
through the uh the chairman which is not
[54:52]
able who's not able to be here this
[54:54]
evening, Zach Poston. He's out of town.
[54:56]
That's why I got chose to do this. And
[54:58]
uh but we are very excited about this.
[55:02]
It's a fantastic opportunity for us to
[55:04]
recognize our distinguished veterans. We
[55:07]
are our first class really. We are going
[55:10]
to focus on historical figures in town.
[55:13]
We have a really, really rich history in
[55:15]
this town of veterans that have
[55:17]
contributed substantially and
[55:19]
significantly going way back in town,
[55:21]
way back in time. So that is what we
[55:23]
envision for the first class. We hope to
[55:26]
induct that first class in this calendar
[55:28]
year right around Veterans Day. That's
[55:31]
our goal. So we're working on that.
[55:34]
The current work that we are doing is
[55:37]
hopefully reaching out to the historical
[55:38]
society um and partnering with them to
[55:42]
find who these individuals are. Uh just
[55:45]
walking through our cemeteries in town
[55:48]
is there's a tremendous history there.
[55:50]
>> [clears throat]
[55:50]
>> So really the ask for us this evening is
[55:53]
will you approve the hall of honor in
[55:55]
this hallway and what we can do is we
[55:58]
can go come back to you with some
[55:59]
mockups so that you can see conceptually
[56:02]
uh what it will look like but what we
[56:04]
envision is just plaques with a picture
[56:07]
of the veteran if it's available with a
[56:10]
brief uh summary of their work uh and
[56:13]
their contributions both in the military
[56:15]
as well in their civilian life. Um and
[56:18]
the wall will be really um on the left
[56:21]
side and on the right side will just
[56:23]
start by class. Originally we had
[56:26]
thought perhaps big plaques with little
[56:28]
placards but we really wanted to do
[56:30]
justice to the veterans. So we thought
[56:32]
we would just have a 8 by I think it's 8
[56:35]
by1. Is that right Victoria?
[56:36]
>> Yes it is.
[56:36]
>> Okay. An 8 by11 plaque. Uh we do have
[56:40]
some purchase orders uh that we're
[56:41]
working with the town manager right now.
[56:43]
hopefully that we can start uh
[56:46]
purchasing them because we need some
[56:47]
lead time to prepare these and to get
[56:49]
the citations in November is right
[56:51]
around the corner. So that is the ask
[56:54]
and uh and again I just want to thank
[56:56]
everybody and I want to acknowledge
[56:58]
Chuck Larkin and Victoria Caroline uh
[57:01]
two members that work with us on the
[57:04]
Veterans Commission.
[57:06]
>> Can I make the motion for the wall of
[57:07]
honor?
[57:08]
>> You certainly may. Go right ahead. I'd
[57:10]
like to make a motion for the wall of
[57:12]
honor between the
[57:15]
>> town the this hallway and by where the
[57:16]
countessor is. Sir,
[57:19]
>> what's the official name of that
[57:21]
hallway?
[57:22]
>> It's north hallway.
[57:24]
>> Northway.
[57:25]
>> The north wall on the north hallway.
[57:27]
[laughter]
[57:28]
>> Second.
[57:32]
» Okay. The motion was made by councelor
[57:34]
Go, seconded by councelor Mace. Um,
[57:38]
Milink, you guys have a budget. So,
[57:41]
that's what you're working out of to
[57:44]
purchase these plaques.
[57:45]
>> That is correct. We're staying within
[57:46]
our budget.
[57:47]
>> Okay.
[57:48]
>> And we thank you for that financial
[57:49]
support because we couldn't do it
[57:50]
without that.
[57:51]
>> Okay. So,
[57:52]
>> going to go on top of the school kids
[57:54]
work.
[57:55]
>> Um, I I'm not sure if they're removing
[57:59]
those bulletin boards and putting them
[58:01]
in a different spot. I don't know
[58:03]
exactly
[58:03]
>> the logistics of that. That That's a
[58:05]
great question. the logistics of that.
[58:07]
We were we were working with Mr. DS at
[58:09]
the time and he had indicated to us that could be relocated. We still wanted
[58:12]
to honor the work of the students and it
[58:15]
was just a matter of relocating that.
[58:17]
That's all.
[58:20]
>> Any other questions?
[58:21]
>> Thank you for doing this.
[58:22]
>> Okay. You're Well, you're most welcome.
[58:24]
Thank you.
[58:24]
>> All right. Thank all in favor.
[58:27]
>> I opposed abstain. Motion carries. So
[58:32]
you can continue on with your work.
[58:34]
Thank you very much. Thank you.
[58:37]
>> Okay. The next item is Eastshore
[58:39]
District Health Department Water Quality
[58:42]
Report.
[58:44]
And I believe the director is here from
[58:46]
East Shore. Mike, if you would like to
[58:49]
come up.
[58:50]
>> Sure.
[59:04]
Good evening. Um, Michael Pascilla,
[59:07]
director of public health. Uh, with me
[59:10]
tonight, uh, is Amy Schultz, who is the
[59:14]
deputy director of health, and Sarah
[59:16]
Eder, who is one of our employees who's
[59:18]
leading this water quality project. Uh,
[59:21]
so, mayor, deputy mayor, and council,
[59:23]
thank you for giving us the opportunity
[59:24]
to present this um, water quality
[59:28]
presentation and talk a little bit about
[59:30]
our funding request. Um, we're going to
[59:32]
split it in two. Um, I'm going to have
[59:34]
Sarah, who's leading the project, go
[59:36]
over the research um, very quickly and
[59:39]
then I'll talk about the implications in
[59:42]
the funding.
[59:48]
It takes a second
[59:51]
minute.
[1:00:36]
Is it working any?
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>> Yeah, it's not [laughter] appearing.
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>> I see the countdown went down. Oh,
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there's no signal.
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>> That's a video of the waterme.
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[laughter]
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» It's a beautiful waterfall.
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>> Very blue.
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» [clears throat]
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[snorts]
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>> Is any of this information in our packet
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>> or not?
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>> No, I just got the presentation earlier
[1:01:09]
today.
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>> Um
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HTML.
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>> There we go.
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>> All right.
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So, as
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um as Mike said, my name is Sarah Essen.
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I'm the water quality coordinator for
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Eastshore. um been there since 2019 and
[1:01:49]
the work in the Farm River has been uh a
[1:01:53]
mainstay of my work since I've started
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there. So I'm looking forward to showing
[1:01:56]
you a little bit of what we've done and
[1:01:58]
what we're hoping to do there.
[1:02:01]
So you can go to this.
[1:02:03]
Yeah. So the farm the Farm River has a
[1:02:06]
long history of high bacteria and
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there's a lot of people and
[1:02:08]
organizations who have been doing
[1:02:10]
research on it. Um, since the 1990s, not
[1:02:14]
only East Shore and Yale, but the
[1:02:15]
regional water authority and Connecticut
[1:02:17]
deep um have had some concerns about
[1:02:20]
bacteria in the water and have been
[1:02:21]
doing testing in different areas. Um,
[1:02:24]
further down the river uh in East Haven
[1:02:26]
and Brford, there have been concerns
[1:02:28]
especially over beach closures and
[1:02:30]
shellfish bed closures. This was the
[1:02:32]
reason that I got involved with the farm
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river water quality starting in 2019.
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uh sampling was expanded starting to use
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microbial source tracking. We found high
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bacteria counts along the river and so
[1:02:44]
we started using this new technology
[1:02:45]
that let us see what animal species was
[1:02:47]
associated with it starting in 2023.
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Um this work if you go to the next slide
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this work has been done along the length
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of the farm river um in East Haven and
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Brford and then all the way up through
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North Brford [clears throat] um all the
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way up to Augur Park. Right now we're
[1:03:05]
testing water quality at three locations
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in North Brford on the Farm River. At
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the Route 80 bridge, at Pages Mil Pond,
[1:03:11]
and at Auger Park. Um we're also doing a
[1:03:13]
water quality project at Cedar Lake,
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which Mike will talk to you a little bit
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more about later.
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Along the Farm River, we're continuing
[1:03:20]
to see very high E.coli levels. Um,
[1:03:23]
we've seen we started studying the lower
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farm river because of the concerns of
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East Haven and Brford, but our water
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quality led us further and further north
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up the river, and we're seeing the
[1:03:32]
highest ecoli counts above the marsh and
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particularly in North Brford. Now, in
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2024 and 2025, um, this was pretty
[1:03:40]
consistent. Starting in 2026, we're
[1:03:42]
seeing these high ecoli ecoli counts
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even earlier in the year. Um, normally
[1:03:47]
as the water gets warmer, we get higher
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bacterial counts, but this year we are
[1:03:50]
starting to see high E.coli counts at
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all locations in May, um, even earlier
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at some places. So, you can see the map
[1:03:57]
here, these are the three locations
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we've tested. Um, all of them have had
[1:04:01]
high E.coli counts um, in 2026 and in
[1:04:04]
May in the last sampling. Um, if you go
[1:04:07]
to the next one,
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uh, we've had a limited budget for
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preliminary studies with the species
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testing. Um but both of the sites that
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we've tested for human waste, the two
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lower ones at Pages Mil Pond and the
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Route 80 Bridge, um we have detected
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human waste. So this is an issue that's
[1:04:23]
very much of interest to the health
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department. We do have some samples for
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Augur Park and we have other samples
[1:04:28]
from Pages Mil Pond and the Route 80
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bridge um that we would need more
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funding to be able to test to get a a
[1:04:33]
more full picture. Um but because human
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waste has been detected, this is an
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important issue for us.
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I'll turn this over to Mike now.
[1:04:44]
All right. So, on the water quality
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implications, whenever we find human
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waste in [clears throat] detectable
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levels, we're obligated from a public
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health standpoint to investigate and do
[1:04:55]
some remediation.
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Um, the ecoli levels do impact North
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Brford residents. The river is used um
[1:05:04]
for many different activities. Um, and
[1:05:07]
so there's a direct relationship to
[1:05:11]
North Brford residents. Also, if we go
[1:05:13]
down to the river and into Long Island
[1:05:17]
Sound, North Bford residents enjoy the
[1:05:19]
coastal activities. And as we when we
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started this study, we started Long
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Island Sound in a lower river and now
[1:05:28]
the sampling is leading us up the river,
[1:05:31]
which impacts obviously Long Island
[1:05:34]
Sound. talking to North Brford, I'm
[1:05:37]
sorry, Brford and East Haven. One of the
[1:05:40]
questions that has come up because
[1:05:42]
they've been funding the project. Um, is
[1:05:45]
North Brford contributing to the
[1:05:47]
project? And that's one of the reasons
[1:05:48]
why I'm here and I'll talk a little bit
[1:05:50]
more about that. Go to the next slide.
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Um, Cedar Lake. Um so in 20 um
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2004 and in recently we've have had some
[1:06:06]
issues with closing the lake. Um there's
[1:06:10]
been allergy blooms. So in based on
[1:06:13]
hearing from residents in the fall of
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2025
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u we did a sanitary survey. We did some
[1:06:20]
sampling. We um walked around the lake.
[1:06:24]
We looked at maps, looked at the
[1:06:26]
elevation, and the preliminary work is
[1:06:28]
continuing now in 2026.
[1:06:31]
Um this is very preliminary. We have
[1:06:33]
been meeting with Connecticut Deep. Um
[1:06:36]
we're sharing information between the
[1:06:38]
two agencies and at some point we're
[1:06:41]
going to bring in Tilcon officials just
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to talk a little bit about um the
[1:06:46]
quality of the water at Cedar Lake.
[1:06:48]
Again, it's very preliminary and some of
[1:06:50]
the funding is to just do a deeper dive
[1:06:53]
um into Cedar Lake. Next slide.
[1:06:57]
And then I just want to just quickly
[1:06:59]
talk about the funding just so you
[1:07:01]
understand how we got to this place. Um
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I don't I I don't take it lightly to
[1:07:08]
come here given the financial situation
[1:07:11]
and asking for funding. And typically
[1:07:12]
what we have done is we have exhausted
[1:07:15]
grant money as as much as we can our own
[1:07:18]
funds. And so in 2011
[1:07:22]
uh we received a state grant for a
[1:07:24]
little over $41,000.
[1:07:27]
In 2017 we received $50,000 but it was
[1:07:31]
three three watersheds. We received a
[1:07:33]
third of that funding. And then if we
[1:07:35]
fast forward to um and I'll go through
[1:07:38]
the the
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um different funds in the town. So the
[1:07:42]
town of East Haven um was giving some
[1:07:44]
inind resources and in 2024 they
[1:07:48]
contributed $20,000 to the project um
[1:07:52]
into 2025 and and this year 2026 they
[1:07:56]
committed another $15,000.
[1:07:59]
uh New England Green or New Haven Green
[1:08:02]
Foundation has given $8,000.
[1:08:04]
Uh Brford town of Brford has given
[1:08:07]
$20,000 and again $15,000. So both towns
[1:08:11]
gave us funding twice. Um
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Brford Community Foundation has given us
[1:08:18]
$2500
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uh for the study um along Long Island
[1:08:22]
Sound, Short Beach area, and up to Farm
[1:08:24]
River. state of connect Connecticut gave
[1:08:26]
us $10,000.
[1:08:29]
Um and then the Brford Short Beach
[1:08:31]
Association has given us $17,000 for the
[1:08:36]
testing and the study along with inind
[1:08:38]
services. East Shore um is is donating
[1:08:44]
about $100,000 plus a year. Um, and
[1:08:48]
we've lobbied for paid internships. Um,
[1:08:53]
and
[1:08:55]
as we've gone up the river, the
[1:08:57]
microbial source tracking that we need
[1:08:59]
to do is basically DNA analysis is very
[1:09:03]
expensive sampling, somewhere around
[1:09:04]
$800 a sample. And so,
[1:09:08]
East Haven in Brford has paid for some
[1:09:12]
of the the uh sampling results. It's a
[1:09:16]
private lab that we're using. And so,
[1:09:18]
um, we're here tonight to ask the town
[1:09:21]
of North Brford to contribute $10,000,
[1:09:24]
uh, towards, um, towards this study.
[1:09:31]
» Next slide.
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>> All right. So, uh, with that, um, that's
[1:09:36]
we wanted to keep it short, sweet
[1:09:38]
because we know you have a a busy agenda
[1:09:40]
and so we're asking for $10,000 and we
[1:09:44]
hope you'll consider, um, the funding
[1:09:45]
for this project.
[1:09:47]
>> What initiated this project?
[1:09:50]
>> Um, so in Long So, in Long Island Sound,
[1:09:54]
um, we have multi-million dollar
[1:09:56]
shellfish beds. We've had beaches that
[1:09:58]
we have had to close on a regular basis
[1:10:01]
outside the Farm River watershed. And so
[1:10:04]
we started in that area and then we
[1:10:06]
started going up the river and as we
[1:10:09]
went up the river um we have identified
[1:10:12]
some sources and doing some remediation
[1:10:14]
again with Brford and East Haven and and
[1:10:18]
any good study you also have to look
[1:10:20]
upstream. So we took some samples
[1:10:22]
upstream and we started getting some
[1:10:24]
high bacteria levels. So we took some
[1:10:26]
more samples and again high bacteria
[1:10:29]
levels. So initially we did and use some
[1:10:32]
of our funding to uh do the microbial
[1:10:35]
source tracking and we we did find is u
[1:10:38]
detectable human levels and so now we
[1:10:40]
need to um now that we know that's an
[1:10:43]
area of concern we're going to go in and
[1:10:46]
just do some more sampling and see if we
[1:10:48]
can identify the source.
[1:10:49]
>> Sir from the North Bampford perspective
[1:10:51]
the sources that you took from was that
[1:10:54]
aven bacteria from what I understood
[1:10:57]
that might have been brought to our
[1:10:58]
attention during another committee
[1:10:59]
meeting.
[1:10:59]
>> Yes. So we we have found different types
[1:11:02]
of contamination. So there's typically
[1:11:04]
aven canine um there's also ruminant
[1:11:08]
which is farm animals and then human
[1:11:11]
where right now we're looking at the
[1:11:13]
human contamination
[1:11:15]
because that is at the top of our list
[1:11:16]
but we're going to look at those other
[1:11:17]
sources and through the microbial source
[1:11:20]
tracking um we'll have a a better idea
[1:11:23]
once we get more sampling results to see
[1:11:27]
where they are. um how high the levels
[1:11:30]
are and then from there we can start to
[1:11:34]
do some remediation.
[1:11:36]
>> Is there a concern that um there's
[1:11:38]
enough contamination that we need to be
[1:11:41]
making our citizens aware of this
[1:11:43]
contamination when people fish the river
[1:11:45]
people go in for recreation or is that
[1:11:47]
at a level where recreation needs to be
[1:11:50]
considered? So not not at this time. And
[1:11:52]
the reason why is just because it's
[1:11:54]
identified doesn't mean it's pathogenic.
[1:11:56]
And so through this testing, we'll have
[1:11:58]
a better idea. So if I test water
[1:12:00]
anywhere, I'm going to find some level
[1:12:02]
of human contamination. We're going to
[1:12:04]
find birds and canine. What we need to
[1:12:07]
do is to do some more sample sampling
[1:12:10]
and quantify it and see where that
[1:12:12]
threshold is. Just a few samples is not
[1:12:14]
enough.
[1:12:16]
>> Okay.
[1:12:17]
>> Yeah. Yeah, we don't want to scare
[1:12:18]
folks, but you know, right
[1:12:19]
[clears throat] now we we have
[1:12:20]
identified it and now we have an
[1:12:22]
obligation to take it to the next step.
[1:12:24]
>> Okay.
[1:12:24]
>> How does deep fit into this? You know,
[1:12:27]
how does the different organizations
[1:12:30]
work on?
[1:12:30]
>> Yeah. So, o over the years, um there's
[1:12:33]
been many studies on the farm river
[1:12:35]
watershed. In fact, there's a group
[1:12:37]
friends of the farm river that regularly
[1:12:39]
go out and do some sampling. There's
[1:12:40]
been some private sampling that's done.
[1:12:42]
And what we have done specifically SAR
[1:12:45]
is we getting our arms around all that
[1:12:48]
research um because not all the
[1:12:51]
organizations are communicating. There's
[1:12:53]
been some studies that no one ever
[1:12:55]
contacted us. And so that's like one of
[1:12:57]
the projects that we're doing is
[1:12:59]
wrapping our arms around all the
[1:13:00]
research. Um we have consulted with uh
[1:13:04]
with deep. Um but on deep side it's
[1:13:07]
really more of a local matter. um you
[1:13:10]
know so if we find other sources
[1:13:11]
[snorts] we can certainly consult with
[1:13:13]
them and we have consulted with them but
[1:13:16]
typically rivers are and for finding
[1:13:19]
human waste um
[1:13:22]
we as a agency as a local agency in
[1:13:25]
towns have to conduct the research um we
[1:13:28]
have applied for some of the grant money
[1:13:30]
and I I you know I've looked at lots of
[1:13:33]
grants we applied for several we haven't
[1:13:35]
gotten them right now in the world of
[1:13:38]
environmental health grants grants.
[1:13:39]
They're just not a lot. Um so the feds
[1:13:42]
and the state have done some cutting.
[1:13:44]
We've looked at community foundation
[1:13:46]
grants and unfortunately there, as I'm
[1:13:49]
aware of, there's no um local North
[1:13:52]
Brford community foundation grants we
[1:13:54]
can we can apply for. And um we have
[1:13:58]
exhausted every grant that we could, you
[1:14:02]
know, those are the ones we got. There's
[1:14:03]
a whole number of ones that we didn't
[1:14:05]
receive. Um, we've gone to the towns of
[1:14:08]
Brford and East Haven and now we're
[1:14:11]
going up the river and we we're
[1:14:14]
concerned with some of the results that
[1:14:16]
we're getting. Again, it's preliminary.
[1:14:18]
Um, and so next steps for us is we're
[1:14:21]
going to take some more samples. We're
[1:14:22]
hoping for this funding and then we will
[1:14:24]
come back and report out um once we get
[1:14:26]
the results.
[1:14:28]
>> Anthony, would we have room in
[1:14:29]
contingency to help with the funding on
[1:14:31]
this?
[1:14:31]
>> Certainly. Is it the contingency? This
[1:14:33]
year's current contingency.
[1:14:37]
>> I have a couple questions.
[1:14:39]
[clears throat] How'd you come up with
[1:14:40]
the figure of $10,000 for North Mar?
[1:14:43]
[snorts]
[1:14:44]
>> So, when we look at the farm river, um
[1:14:48]
lower river is actually wider. Um
[1:14:51]
there's more area to um to test. There's
[1:14:55]
it's more um more houses, more
[1:14:58]
subdivisions. where as we go up the
[1:14:59]
river, it narrows and there's not as
[1:15:02]
much. Um, we were thinking about um
[1:15:05]
asking for the 15 or $20,000. But what
[1:15:09]
we wanted to do is we wanted to be fair.
[1:15:11]
Um, the next phase of the study, $10,000
[1:15:14]
will cover the next phase of the study.
[1:15:16]
When we get the results,
[1:15:18]
depending on what that is,
[1:15:21]
there may be more testing that's needed.
[1:15:24]
We may have to come back here or look
[1:15:25]
for other grants. But we we wanted to be
[1:15:27]
fair as a start like we did in Brford
[1:15:31]
and East Haven. So this is a start.
[1:15:33]
>> How do we know when the $10,000 has
[1:15:35]
expired? I mean, is there a time frame
[1:15:37]
for this?
[1:15:37]
>> Um, well, I put together a report and it it outlines a budget.
[1:15:43]
>> So, you should have gotten that.
[1:15:44]
>> It's in our packet. That the budget's in
[1:15:46]
our packet.
[1:15:47]
>> All right. So, I'm not a fisherman.
[1:15:50]
I can't ever remember going fishing, but
[1:15:52]
I do see people fishing in the Farm
[1:15:54]
River. Is the farm up in North Branford?
[1:15:56]
Is it stocked? And if they catch the
[1:15:58]
fish, are the fish edible or we have to
[1:16:01]
worry about this bacteria?
[1:16:02]
>> So, as of right now, we're not doing
[1:16:04]
shell fishing. Shell fishing is
[1:16:06]
different. You know, [snorts] that's
[1:16:07]
more in the saltwater bodies. Freshwater
[1:16:10]
fish, even if there's some level of
[1:16:12]
human waste. It's not going to it should
[1:16:16]
not contaminate the fish, at least not
[1:16:17]
at the preliminary levels that we have
[1:16:19]
seen.
[1:16:21]
>> All right. Thank you.
[1:16:22]
>> You're welcome. I always wonder if they
[1:16:24]
caught the fish if they ate them.
[1:16:26]
>> You're you're eating the meat of the
[1:16:28]
fish. So, it's not um it's not
[1:16:31]
>> as um dangerous. And again, the levels
[1:16:34]
we're seeing are high enough that we
[1:16:38]
need to do an investigation, but they're
[1:16:40]
not so high that we are sounding any
[1:16:43]
alarms. We need to just investigate a
[1:16:45]
bit further.
[1:16:45]
>> But I always thought when you were
[1:16:46]
fishing, the water had to be moving,
[1:16:48]
running somewhere. So, the water was
[1:16:50]
still was not a good sign.
[1:16:52]
water as well. Is it is the farm river
[1:16:55]
stock by the state?
[1:16:56]
>> Yes.
[1:16:57]
it is.
[1:16:57]
>> It is. Okay. I didn't tell you.
[1:16:59]
>> And this is um running river water.
[1:17:01]
We're finding it.
[1:17:02]
>> Um so, you know, that that's another
[1:17:05]
area of concern when we see any kind of
[1:17:07]
contamination in running water. Um
[1:17:10]
especially over time.
[1:17:13]
>> So, with your testing, you'd be trying
[1:17:15]
to narrow it down to find out if there's
[1:17:17]
failed septic system somewhere or where
[1:17:19]
the sources. Is that
[1:17:20]
>> correct? Yes. Yeah. So, next steps is
[1:17:23]
we'll we'll
[1:17:26]
take some more sampling. We're looking
[1:17:28]
at maps and trying to see where um and
[1:17:31]
as we walk the river, we're looking for
[1:17:33]
pipes or any areas of direct discharge.
[1:17:36]
Um and when we do the testing in
[1:17:40]
different areas, the levels are going to
[1:17:43]
go up or down. And as they go up, we
[1:17:45]
kind of home in on those areas. And then
[1:17:47]
if you know there are some failing
[1:17:49]
septic systems, we would have to
[1:17:51]
>> yeah,
[1:17:51]
>> we would have to address that.
[1:17:52]
Obviously, we'd be working with
[1:17:55]
different town officials and we've been
[1:17:56]
talking to the town officials about
[1:17:58]
this.
[1:17:58]
>> But the northern end of the almost
[1:18:00]
origin of the Farm River is in a zone
[1:18:02]
that has primarily sept or sewer it if
[1:18:06]
you know in that general watershed area.
[1:18:08]
So there's not as much septic in there
[1:18:10]
or homes around it. So hopefully not up
[1:18:12]
that far. But
[1:18:13]
>> yeah, it's a it's a mixed bag. Um but you know and it could be a broken uh
[1:18:18]
public sewer line somewhere.
[1:18:20]
>> Yeah.
[1:18:20]
>> It could be leaking. So again, this is
[1:18:21]
where we need to
[1:18:23]
>> go a little deeper
[1:18:24]
>> to look into it. Sure.
[1:18:25]
>> So you've been doing this for several
[1:18:26]
years,
[1:18:28]
>> this testing.
[1:18:30]
>> So why wouldn't it why wouldn't it be in
[1:18:32]
your budget?
[1:18:35]
>> Why wouldn't the testing be in our
[1:18:36]
budget?
[1:18:37]
>> You did it last year.
[1:18:38]
>> So actually it has been in our budget in
[1:18:41]
the sense that we've been doing this
[1:18:42]
since 2012. I mean, if you go back to
[1:18:45]
about the 1990s, there was some testing
[1:18:48]
done, but technology has changed. Um,
[1:18:51]
and we started at the lower Farm River
[1:18:54]
in Long Island Sound because that was
[1:18:56]
the biggest area of concern because we
[1:18:58]
were seeing beach closures. We were
[1:19:00]
seeing high bacteria levels that
[1:19:02]
impacted shellfish beds. And so that's
[1:19:04]
where we started and then we started
[1:19:07]
moving up. And as we moved up, we
[1:19:10]
identified some other areas of concern.
[1:19:12]
[snorts]
[1:19:12]
And the only source of that those shell
[1:19:15]
beds get contaminated was right above
[1:19:17]
from the farm river just in that area.
[1:19:19]
>> That's one of the areas. Yes. I mean,
[1:19:21]
but it also could be from Long Island
[1:19:23]
Sound, but but coming from the river was
[1:19:25]
the main source. In fact, the Department
[1:19:27]
[snorts] of Aquaculture downgraded some
[1:19:29]
of the shellfish beds in a farm river
[1:19:32]
because of some of the high bacterial
[1:19:34]
levels.
[1:19:36]
>> Yeah.
[1:19:38]
>> How does Cedar Lake tie into this? Cedar
[1:19:41]
Lake. How does that tie into that?
[1:19:43]
>> Um so when we when we were looking at
[1:19:48]
Farm River Cedar Lake a couple years
[1:19:50]
ago, um we again we we're seeing um
[1:19:54]
residents came to us. We we had to close
[1:19:56]
the beach. Uh 2024 also [snorts] we saw
[1:20:00]
some um allergy blooms. Um and we
[1:20:04]
recommended no more swimming. And so
[1:20:06]
then we started sampling
[1:20:08]
at about the same time as we were going
[1:20:10]
up the farm river. So what we decided to
[1:20:13]
do is roll these two projects into one
[1:20:16]
>> um because we have a number of uh
[1:20:17]
interns right now that are working for
[1:20:19]
us taking water samples and so we
[1:20:23]
extended the farm river and added um
[1:20:26]
Cedar Lake to it because Sar's working
[1:20:29]
on a water water quality project.
[1:20:32]
>> Okay. So I didn't quite understand the
[1:20:34]
re the the answer on so so you you're
[1:20:37]
looking for $40,000 15 [snorts]
[1:20:40]
and 10.
[1:20:41]
>> So all three wasn't that in your budget.
[1:20:44]
>> We just came through the budget period.
[1:20:46]
So why don't you just put that money
[1:20:48]
that you need for this water testing in
[1:20:50]
your budget?
[1:20:51]
>> You mean in the U per capita fund
[1:20:54]
budget? So
[1:20:56]
>> your budget we we just we just approved
[1:20:59]
our share of East Shore Health. So what
[1:21:01]
I'm saying if you put that 40,000 in and
[1:21:04]
divided it by the three towns
[1:21:08]
» that's minuscule coming to us after the
[1:21:10]
fact.
[1:21:11]
>> So we didn't we wanted to keep the per
[1:21:14]
>> we wanted to keep the per capita budget
[1:21:18]
um which [clears throat and snorts] for
[1:21:19]
our normal
[1:21:22]
programs as low as possible. So we
[1:21:24]
didn't want to increase the per capita
[1:21:26]
budget for a water quality study because
[1:21:29]
at some point this is going to end. So
[1:21:31]
it would not be fair to the towns if I
[1:21:34]
raise the per capita significantly
[1:21:38]
every year for a single project. And so
[1:21:42]
what we did is we separated it out.
[1:21:45]
So that that's why because because if I
[1:21:48]
raised the per capita [snorts] to 1617
[1:21:51]
we would be having a different kind of
[1:21:52]
conversation. Um, also it wouldn't be
[1:21:56]
fair to the towns across the board
[1:21:57]
because the lower farm river would get
[1:22:01]
more resources than the upper farm
[1:22:03]
river. So that's, you know, that that's
[1:22:06]
one of the reasons why we kept this,
[1:22:08]
>> but also for like Brford and East Haven.
[1:22:10]
So, you know, they own the beaches that
[1:22:13]
get closed.
[1:22:15]
>> They have some of it's public, some of
[1:22:17]
it's private. My son-in-law owns it
[1:22:19]
shellfish and bed. um the
[1:22:24]
you know those those properties in
[1:22:26]
Brford and East Haven. I mean it's a lot
[1:22:28]
easier for them to come up with 15,000
[1:22:30]
[clears throat] when they're getting
[1:22:31]
have house after house after house on
[1:22:34]
the shoreline on the beach paying well
[1:22:36]
over a h 100,000 in town taxes in North
[1:22:39]
Frankfurt. We don't have a right to go
[1:22:41]
to one of those beaches and we don't own
[1:22:44]
the beach. though, you know, it's it's
[1:22:47]
different for us to come up with to to
[1:22:51]
fund the money. You know, it's a lot
[1:22:52]
easier for them.
[1:22:54]
>> I acknowledge what you're saying, Al,
[1:22:56]
and I I and I understand. However, um if
[1:23:02]
you're a resident in those towns or
[1:23:04]
those towns, and you're finding upstream
[1:23:07]
human contamination and running river
[1:23:09]
water in North Brford, um then it's that
[1:23:13]
town's obligation, right? So, so that so
[1:23:16]
I know I know what you're saying, but
[1:23:17]
it's like, you know, I mean,
[1:23:18]
>> two things. It's either a failed septic
[1:23:21]
>> or a breach in the sewer line.
[1:23:23]
>> Yeah. I mean, one of the reason one of
[1:23:25]
the reasons why, you know, again, with
[1:23:27]
the funding increase, not only has it
[1:23:29]
come, but the other towns have asked,
[1:23:32]
>> um, what's going on in North Brford? Um,
[1:23:35]
we're contributing and we have
[1:23:37]
contributed over time for years. Um, and
[1:23:40]
if you're finding contamination in the
[1:23:43]
upper Farm River, then they need to take
[1:23:46]
care of it. So, you know, we're kind of,
[1:23:51]
you know, in the middle here.
[1:23:52]
>> And then one more question. I'm sure
[1:23:54]
probably you don't know the answer. Does
[1:23:55]
anybody in the room know the answer? Who
[1:23:57]
owns Cedar Lake?
[1:23:59]
>> Is that association?
[1:24:01]
>> No.
[1:24:02]
>> That owns its association.
[1:24:04]
So
[1:24:05]
>> my money and association should be
[1:24:07]
paying to clean their own.
[1:24:09]
>> My understanding um and again we started
[1:24:12]
to look my understanding and we started
[1:24:14]
to look into this um is that the town
[1:24:17]
owns it and the association only has
[1:24:19]
rights to it
[1:24:22]
>> because only the beach anyway.
[1:24:24]
>> Yeah. It's only not it's only that one.
[1:24:28]
>> Somebody owns the lake,
[1:24:29]
>> right?
[1:24:30]
>> Okay. There's no
[1:24:32]
>> Someone owns the lake. Yeah, as I
[1:24:34]
understand, the town owns the lake. The
[1:24:36]
town has significant property around the
[1:24:39]
lake and the association, like most
[1:24:41]
associations, don't own the water. They
[1:24:43]
own the rights at that beach to access
[1:24:46]
the water
[1:24:48]
>> and I believe it's in their deeds.
[1:24:52]
>> Okay. Not to prolong the conversation,
[1:24:54]
but what what would you do to clean the
[1:24:56]
lake up?
[1:24:56]
>> Have the answer tomorrow.
[1:24:58]
>> What would be [snorts] the process of
[1:24:59]
cleaning that lake? So, right now, um,
[1:25:03]
phosphorus seems to be the leading cause
[1:25:06]
of the allergy blooms. And so, we're
[1:25:08]
working with deep and looking at the
[1:25:10]
permits. Um, and then we're going to
[1:25:13]
consult with Tilcon. Um, they have
[1:25:16]
permits to discharge up to 2 million
[1:25:18]
gallons a day into the lake. And so
[1:25:21]
we're gonna, you know, talk to them and
[1:25:23]
see what can be done to um maybe soften
[1:25:27]
or remediate some of the nutrients that
[1:25:29]
are going into the lake.
[1:25:35]
» I'm sorry, I didn't know that. So Tilcon
[1:25:37]
dumps all that water into there.
[1:25:39]
>> Um they have they have permits that. So
[1:25:42]
we are not the lead agency. Tilcon is
[1:25:44]
the lead agency and Tilcon has permits
[1:25:47]
from Connecticut Deep to discharge from
[1:25:51]
the quarry from their holding ponds um
[1:25:54]
up to 2 million gallons per day.
[1:26:00]
» That'll do a job on a lake.
[1:26:07]
» Bob, did you have some questions?
[1:26:09]
>> Well, a few things. Um,
[1:26:12]
yes. And thank you for the presentation.
[1:26:14]
>> You're welcome.
[1:26:15]
>> I'm I'm a little bit skeptical about the
[1:26:18]
request. I understand you want the
[1:26:19]
10,000.
[1:26:21]
I'm just curious why didn't you come
[1:26:23]
here with a request for 20,000 or
[1:26:25]
25,000? Are you trying to moderate what
[1:26:27]
you really need or you felt that this
[1:26:30]
was enough? I mean, if you're going to
[1:26:31]
do 17 samples, why not do 158 samples?
[1:26:35]
Where did this [clears throat] magic
[1:26:35]
number come from? Enlighten us on that a
[1:26:37]
little bit.
[1:26:38]
>> Sure. So
[1:26:40]
when we started the sampling in um
[1:26:45]
Brford and East Haven, the first request
[1:26:47]
was after we exhausted all the other
[1:26:49]
grant money and some of the funding and
[1:26:51]
our own resources was $20,000. Um again,
[1:26:55]
watershed's bigger, more development.
[1:26:58]
um at the lower lake. Um we have some
[1:27:02]
preliminary samples and so the next
[1:27:06]
step is to take more samples and that's
[1:27:09]
going to cost somewhere around
[1:27:11]
$10,000ish.
[1:27:13]
Um and we're hoping that's going to give
[1:27:15]
us enough information to make some
[1:27:18]
recommendations on what needs to be done
[1:27:20]
next. Um and so if I came with a 20 or
[1:27:23]
$30,000 request, we would be having a
[1:27:26]
conversation. What are you going to do
[1:27:27]
with 20 or $30,000? So, I'm I'm trying
[1:27:30]
to be fair, you know, and I'm looking at
[1:27:32]
this right now over the next year,
[1:27:36]
this sampling phase, and then we'll see
[1:27:39]
we'll get the samples, we'll see where
[1:27:41]
it takes us, and we'll work with town
[1:27:44]
officials and
[1:27:46]
talk about the next phase.
[1:27:48]
>> So, did somebody ask Anthony already,
[1:27:50]
would that be from it now? this year's
[1:27:55]
we do have the money.
[1:27:56]
>> We have the money.
[1:27:57]
>> Okay. And another question for my
[1:28:00]
>> um let's do it.
[1:28:01]
>> I've never heard this come up in inland
[1:28:03]
wetlands and water courses agency
[1:28:05]
meetings. Uh I used to be a member of
[1:28:07]
that for a while. Now I attend the
[1:28:09]
meetings when I actually hold them. Uh
[1:28:11]
Dr. Bano is on that committee. As I've
[1:28:14]
joked with some of my colleagues here,
[1:28:16]
he doesn't [snorts] want anybody even
[1:28:17]
looking at the Farm River. And we're the
[1:28:19]
water courses agency is very keen on the
[1:28:21]
fact that North Brford our rules is is
[1:28:24]
anything within 200 feet of the water
[1:28:27]
course you got to go through the water
[1:28:29]
courses agency it's not 100 ft but state
[1:28:31]
law it's 200 ft. So we've gone above and
[1:28:33]
beyond what the state requires for that.
[1:28:36]
>> So I mean I I think that they've been
[1:28:38]
very good about overseeing that being
[1:28:39]
very be very careful what you're doing
[1:28:42]
or having anything to do with the farm
[1:28:44]
river. [snorts]
[1:28:45]
They're they're very protective of the
[1:28:48]
farm river.
[1:28:49]
>> All that being said,
[1:28:51]
>> I mean, you identified it's largely
[1:28:54]
aven, right? And some human waste,
[1:28:58]
>> but I mean, waste is waste. I mean, this
[1:29:02]
being North Brford with the farms and
[1:29:04]
the forest we have around here,
[1:29:06]
some open space, it's not just humans. I
[1:29:09]
mean, you've got you name it. Deer,
[1:29:12]
bobcat, coyotes, groundhogs, rats, mice,
[1:29:17]
squirrels, you name it. So, what makes
[1:29:19]
this waste better than that waste is my
[1:29:21]
question. That sounds like a silly
[1:29:22]
question, but I really want to know why the focus on this waste is waste.
[1:29:26]
>> Yeah. Um,
[1:29:28]
>> Robert, that's a great question. The
[1:29:30]
sampling, what it will do for us is
[1:29:32]
quantify. Again, just because it's
[1:29:34]
present doesn't mean it's pathogenic.
[1:29:37]
um you test water anywhere, you're going
[1:29:39]
to find some levels of contamination um
[1:29:42]
in any surface water. And so what we
[1:29:45]
want to do is we want to quantify and
[1:29:46]
see if it rises to the action levels
[1:29:49]
that are set by EPA um and state
[1:29:52]
regulations that is going to impact
[1:29:55]
human health. When we talk about
[1:29:56]
watersheds, there are many agencies that
[1:29:59]
are involved. We as a local health
[1:30:02]
department are looking at human health.
[1:30:04]
That's what we're looking at. That's our
[1:30:05]
lens. If there are other contaminants in
[1:30:10]
there that impact wildlife, that is not
[1:30:13]
necessarily our role. We will work with
[1:30:15]
other agencies on that. And so the
[1:30:18]
funding is to take a step back, look at from 30,000 ft,
[1:30:25]
do some more testing and quantify it.
[1:30:27]
Will it impact human health and is it
[1:30:30]
going to impact
[1:30:32]
not just the North Brford residents,
[1:30:36]
East Haven, and also Long Island Sound
[1:30:37]
because everything goes into Long Island
[1:30:39]
Sound and everyone enjoys Long Island
[1:30:41]
Sound in some way, shape or form. Um,
[1:30:44]
and again, it's multi-million dollars in
[1:30:46]
shellfish beds and sea farming. Um, and
[1:30:50]
some of the stuff that we're doing is
[1:30:52]
being done in other areas of
[1:30:54]
Connecticut.
[1:30:56]
So, the funding is just to quantify it
[1:30:58]
to come back
[1:31:01]
with our data and to give you a better
[1:31:04]
idea of what's going on and what we can
[1:31:08]
do. If we're talking about aven waste,
[1:31:10]
we're always going to find aven waste.
[1:31:12]
It's like that's okay, but is it in
[1:31:15]
balance with the ecosystem and is it
[1:31:18]
rise to the level that it's going to
[1:31:20]
impact human health?
[1:31:25]
» I'd like to make a motion that the town
[1:31:27]
council allocate $10,000 from this
[1:31:29]
year's contingency to fund the East
[1:31:31]
Shore District Health Department.
[1:31:37]
» Motion was made by councelor Diamond,
[1:31:38]
seconded by councelor Rose.
[1:31:41]
Um, any further discussion?
[1:31:43]
>> Yes. Um,
[1:31:46]
you know, in the short time I've been on
[1:31:48]
the council, I I've seen what I already
[1:31:50]
have read about and suspected.
[1:31:53]
You know, money, it's just not there. I
[1:31:56]
mean, we're saying the money is here
[1:31:57]
over in this pot, but trust me, there's
[1:31:59]
every other agency in town that wants
[1:32:01]
piece of that action. Everybody's got
[1:32:04]
their hand up. I need this. I want tax
[1:32:06]
abatement. I want more books for the
[1:32:07]
school. I want payraises. I want it's
[1:32:10]
non-stop. If you've never been on town
[1:32:12]
council, I encourage anybody here to
[1:32:14]
run. But I mean, it's the the demands on
[1:32:18]
city services are overwhelming.
[1:32:21]
And nobody seems to be able to say no at
[1:32:23]
any point because you want to you want
[1:32:25]
to make you happy, you want to make him
[1:32:27]
happy, you want to make her happy, you
[1:32:28]
want to make him happy.
[1:32:31]
I mean, I I got to tell you uh and and
[1:32:34]
this is for discussion here. My question
[1:32:38]
is, you know, is it possible that we can
[1:32:40]
get bang for the buck at a reduced rate?
[1:32:42]
In other words, if you're going to make
[1:32:44]
X number of um uh I guess inspections or
[1:32:48]
samples at $10,000, can you get the same
[1:32:51]
job done at $7,500 or at $5,000?
[1:32:55]
Because if we're going to resist that,
[1:32:57]
then well, heck, why not go the opposite
[1:32:59]
way and say, "Oh, $30,000. We'll test
[1:33:01]
away and we'll get a lot more valuable
[1:33:03]
information." So, what is the right
[1:33:05]
number? They've come to us and said
[1:33:07]
10,000
[1:33:08]
and you're saying that we can afford it.
[1:33:11]
Okay, that money comes from somewhere.
[1:33:13]
That's 10,000 we can't spend on the
[1:33:14]
police department. That's 10,000 we
[1:33:16]
can't spend on the board of ed, you
[1:33:17]
know. So, I mean, it's our job to figure
[1:33:19]
that out. I just wonder if 10,000 is the
[1:33:22]
right number.
[1:33:24]
>> If if I may.
[1:33:26]
>> Yep.
[1:33:27]
>> Um this is a negotiated rate. Um and so
[1:33:31]
we are getting a discount and we're
[1:33:32]
using the economy of scale because we're
[1:33:35]
testing Brford and um East Haven and so
[1:33:39]
we're already negotiated a rate. We also
[1:33:41]
talked to the state department of public
[1:33:43]
health. They're preparing the samples
[1:33:45]
for us free of charge. There's a
[1:33:47]
preparation of samples to do DNA
[1:33:49]
sampling. Um and so that is already
[1:33:53]
negotiated. So we are from our end we
[1:33:56]
are doing it at the lowest possible
[1:33:59]
including funds that we're putting in
[1:34:04]
as a leader of a regional health agency.
[1:34:08]
I'm dealing with the same things with
[1:34:09]
our with with budget cuts. Um every one
[1:34:13]
of our bills are going up. I've had to
[1:34:14]
lay off staff. The money that we
[1:34:17]
normally get for grants has all dried
[1:34:20]
up. I need to diversify and cut. We're
[1:34:22]
going through every single contract and
[1:34:25]
renegotiating the contract um and making
[1:34:28]
some very hard decisions. And so I
[1:34:32]
started off by saying when I came here I mean I read the paper and I know
[1:34:36]
what's going on with the budget
[1:34:37]
referendum and everything. Um I live in
[1:34:40]
a town that still can't pass a budget.
[1:34:42]
Tonight is the referendum. Hopefully it
[1:34:44]
will pass. Um, and so I hear you loud
[1:34:47]
and clear. And that's why it's a oneoff
[1:34:51]
$10,000 and I didn't put in my per
[1:34:53]
capita because if I put it in my per
[1:34:55]
capita and I came here,
[1:34:57]
we would be having a very hard
[1:35:00]
conversation and it wouldn't be fair
[1:35:01]
because I would be getting questions
[1:35:03]
about East Haven and Brford are using up
[1:35:07]
more resources in North Brford. So why
[1:35:09]
should we pay more? So I've tried as
[1:35:12]
best as I can. I think I've done it to
[1:35:14]
give you a fair
[1:35:18]
lowest possible price that we've
[1:35:20]
negotiated out.
[1:35:22]
Um, I'm in favor of the $10,000 and I
[1:35:25]
listened to Bob's argument. But I
[1:35:27]
listened to the gentleman, he was very
[1:35:28]
well knowledgeable, and when I asked him
[1:35:30]
how he came up with$10,000, he described
[1:35:33]
that our share in the Farm River isn't
[1:35:35]
as big as the other shears. And he
[1:35:37]
showed how narrow it was, and he was
[1:35:39]
being fair. Whenever he was asked about
[1:35:41]
the different ways, he was responsive,
[1:35:43]
very knowledgeable, and I trusted me and
[1:35:45]
absolutely knows his job. And I support
[1:35:47]
the $10,000 at least this year. And if
[1:35:50]
he comes back next year, then we'll have
[1:35:52]
more questions. How we what do we get
[1:35:54]
for our buck? What bang do we get for
[1:35:56]
our buck? Then we can answer that. Is
[1:35:57]
that okay with you, sir?
[1:35:58]
>> Yes.
[1:35:59]
>> I support the $10,000.
[1:36:01]
>> So, I'd just like to say that when I
[1:36:03]
first read this tonight, I was a hard
[1:36:06]
nut and he convinced me. Okay. So,
[1:36:11]
>> and stuff.
[1:36:11]
>> So, we're on the same page, Al.
[1:36:13]
[laughter]
[1:36:14]
>> Yeah. Thank you for explaining
[1:36:15]
everything.
[1:36:17]
>> I was on the same page.
[1:36:17]
>> You did well.
[1:36:18]
>> Well, that's why we asked questions.
[1:36:21]
>> Yeah. Well,
[1:36:21]
>> so that we No, I think I think we asked
[1:36:23]
all Bob has a very good point and Bob
[1:36:26]
has a strong point.
[1:36:27]
>> But I also know that the gentleman did
[1:36:29]
not run away from the questions. He
[1:36:31]
stood there rapid fire at the questions.
[1:36:34]
work
[1:36:35]
>> the the the human waste does it for me.
[1:36:39]
>> Well, if I caught a fish with human
[1:36:40]
waste, I'm throwing the fish back. I can
[1:36:42]
tell you. [laughter]
[1:36:43]
>> Okay.
[1:36:47]
>> So, we're going to take a vote. Um all
[1:36:49]
in favor?
[1:36:50]
>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion passes.
[1:36:55]
>> Thank you. And um when we finish our
[1:36:58]
testing and quantify data, I'll be back
[1:37:00]
to report out.
[1:37:01]
>> Thank you so much. Thank you.
[1:37:04]
>> The largest of butter of the lake is the
[1:37:06]
Brford Steam Railroad.
[1:37:09]
>> Steam Railroad. It goes from Route 80
[1:37:11]
right down. Then the town has a piece
[1:37:13]
that's behind Cedar Lake School. And
[1:37:16]
then on the southern side, as Tom
[1:37:17]
mentioned, it's the association and the
[1:37:19]
rest of it is all private owners.
[1:37:21]
>> Is that the T?
[1:37:22]
>> So the Braver Steam Railroad, isn't that
[1:37:25]
Tilcon?
[1:37:26]
>> Yeah.
[1:37:28]
So I would think that they would be the
[1:37:30]
biggest share of cleaning up the lake.
[1:37:33]
>> Well, that's why they're going to have
[1:37:34]
the meeting with
[1:37:36]
>> responsible. You promised me a ride on
[1:37:37]
the caboose that's supposed to be on
[1:37:39]
there. Supposed to be on there.
[1:37:40]
>> I remember.
[1:37:41]
>> Okay, we're going to move on. Next item
[1:37:44]
on the agenda is the 2001 Mac truck
[1:37:48]
replacement. And our assistant public
[1:37:51]
works director Dan Santano is here to
[1:37:54]
present. Right.
[1:37:57]
Get the lights.
[1:37:58]
>> Oh, sorry.
[1:38:01]
>> Good evening. Um, I have a hard time one
[1:38:04]
uping Mike here,
[1:38:05]
>> but uh, [laughter]
[1:38:07]
so, um, 2001,
[1:38:08]
>> your request is a little bit higher than
[1:38:10]
Mike.
[1:38:10]
>> Yeah, just a little bit, Mike.
[1:38:11]
[laughter] Yeah. Um, 2001 Mac truck
[1:38:15]
replacement. Um, so there's a memo in
[1:38:18]
your packet. We, uh, brought this to the
[1:38:20]
town manager and then to finance
[1:38:22]
subcommittee last week. now forwarded to
[1:38:25]
here. Um we have a 2001 Mac truck that's
[1:38:29]
undergoing a transmission repair now. Um
[1:38:31]
pretty hefty repair. We have um three of
[1:38:35]
these 2001 trucks that we purchased 26
[1:38:38]
years ago. So during the repair, they're
[1:38:41]
noticing extensive rust um issues. We've
[1:38:44]
had a couple frame repairs on the truck
[1:38:46]
already these last two years. So most
[1:38:48]
likely in the next couple of years, it's
[1:38:51]
going to go. Um, that being said, it's
[1:38:54]
not like we just go to the store and buy
[1:38:56]
a truck off the shelf. It's it's a
[1:38:59]
couple couple years between buying the
[1:39:01]
cabin chassis, sending it to the truck
[1:39:02]
builder, building the body, plow,
[1:39:04]
lights, um, sourcing materials from
[1:39:07]
multiple different vendors. So, what
[1:39:10]
we're looking to do is kind of start the
[1:39:13]
process on replacing this truck. Um what
[1:39:16]
we're proposing in the memo is to buy
[1:39:18]
the cabin chassis right now outright and
[1:39:22]
then um this upcoming or July 2027
[1:39:27]
we will seek funding to build the truck.
[1:39:30]
What this will do is
[1:39:33]
allow there's already a truck on the
[1:39:34]
line coming in that they can put our
[1:39:36]
name on. Um if we purchase it, it it expedites the process for us.
[1:39:44]
So, if we do this, we'll have the truck
[1:39:46]
in a year and a half built. Um, if we
[1:39:49]
wait, then it's going to be longer than
[1:39:50]
that. Um, what we presented to the
[1:39:53]
finance subcommittee was,
[1:39:56]
um, as of right now, there's an
[1:39:58]
estimated $20,000 increase coming next
[1:40:01]
year on these trucks. Um, due to
[1:40:04]
emissions,
[1:40:05]
they're implementing something with the
[1:40:07]
emissions. um something along the lines
[1:40:09]
of keeping the exhaust heated so that
[1:40:11]
when you fire the truck up, you don't
[1:40:12]
get that cold puff of smoke. Um that's a
[1:40:15]
$20,000 hike. Um in addition to that, we
[1:40:18]
are um by purchasing it outright versus
[1:40:21]
the typical three lease payment to buy,
[1:40:24]
we save $12,000 in floor plan. Um,
[1:40:30]
pretty much when you buy the truck and
[1:40:31]
it takes a year and a half to build, we
[1:40:33]
have to pay a floor plan they call it
[1:40:36]
because the truck is kind of in in
[1:40:37]
process. So, it's a total of $32,000
[1:40:41]
savings we're looking to do. Um, if we
[1:40:44]
don't do this, we're going to be
[1:40:46]
>> coming here in July with a number
[1:40:48]
$32,000 higher and a year longer.
[1:40:52]
>> So, and in the package is is our lineup.
[1:40:55]
11 trucks to cover 10 roots, leaving us
[1:40:57]
one spare. Um, [snorts] you can see we
[1:40:59]
got out of the 80s and 90s here the last
[1:41:02]
couple of years. So, we're
[1:41:05]
this that's where we're at. I'd be happy
[1:41:07]
to take any questions or
[1:41:08]
>> two questions,
[1:41:09]
>> comments. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[1:41:11]
>> So, two questions.
[1:41:12]
>> Yes.
[1:41:12]
>> Why don't just like bypass the so-called
[1:41:14]
new truck and bypass the $20,000 of
[1:41:17]
emission regulations and buy something
[1:41:19]
that's two years old or three years old?
[1:41:21]
>> Is there anything on the market out
[1:41:22]
there that would would cover this? So,
[1:41:24]
yeah, good question there. Um, there are
[1:41:26]
used trucks out there. Um, we actually
[1:41:31]
tried that with the state. You'll see on
[1:41:32]
the list there's a 2005 going out and um
[1:41:36]
we paid $6,000 for it. We got a year and
[1:41:40]
a half of headaches and the truck um it
[1:41:43]
blew the engine, leaked oil over the and
[1:41:45]
it's no good. So, we did try going that
[1:41:48]
used route a couple years ago. So, no
[1:41:51]
one's selling trucks two or three years
[1:41:53]
old. They're selling trucks that might
[1:41:55]
be 20 years old.
[1:41:56]
>> Yeah. I mean, two or three years, that's
[1:41:58]
pretty tough to find.
[1:42:00]
>> Um, another thing, all of our trucks are
[1:42:02]
set up with the same plow controls,
[1:42:04]
sander controls, so anyone could hop in
[1:42:07]
any truck
[1:42:09]
as things change and they're all
[1:42:11]
unified.
[1:42:13]
>> The question that I had, and you're in
[1:42:15]
the business, so you would know this,
[1:42:16]
the MAC is pretty much the state of the
[1:42:19]
like a Freight Liner. Yes. It's like a
[1:42:21]
line kind of thing, right?
[1:42:22]
>> Yep.
[1:42:23]
>> And I think they're made in
[1:42:24]
Pennsylvania, right?
[1:42:25]
>> I believe so.
[1:42:27]
>> Okay.
[1:42:27]
>> So, yeah. And and to that point, a Mac
[1:42:30]
truck, it's it's really better than a
[1:42:33]
Freight Liner. Um we've been buying them
[1:42:36]
for we're going on four decades here. We
[1:42:38]
just got rid of a 38-y old truck. If you
[1:42:41]
look at bigger cities and the state,
[1:42:44]
they buy freight liners because they're
[1:42:45]
a hair cheaper, but they get rid of them
[1:42:47]
between 10 and 15 years old.
[1:42:49]
Right.
[1:42:50]
>> We're getting 38 years out of a truck. I
[1:42:52]
don't Now you're seeing we're getting 26
[1:42:55]
years out of a truck because the first
[1:42:57]
20 years of their life they were using
[1:42:59]
sand and it didn't rot the trucks out.
[1:43:02]
>> Now we're in this salt phase and
[1:43:04]
>> Okay. [snorts]
[1:43:08]
» So this truck won't be active for a year
[1:43:11]
and a half though. You're saying
[1:43:12]
>> year and a half. Yeah. We're just buying
[1:43:13]
the cab and chassis right now.
[1:43:17]
Yeah. But we're trying to phase in the
[1:43:20]
trying to phase it. Instead of coming
[1:43:21]
here and asking for over $300,000,
[1:43:25]
>> get get the savings, expedate the
[1:43:26]
process.
[1:43:27]
>> The finance committee pushed it into
[1:43:29]
today's meeting because we understood
[1:43:31]
the the increased cost and the fact that
[1:43:34]
we're down how many trucks is it now?
[1:43:36]
>> Four.
[1:43:37]
>> We we are down four. If you look at the
[1:43:39]
list, we have Yeah. three in production.
[1:43:41]
This would be
[1:43:42]
>> Yeah.
[1:43:42]
>> This would be number four. I thought
[1:43:45]
>> it's not outfitted yet to be used.
[1:43:47]
>> At least you get the cab and the chassis
[1:43:48]
and then you figure out what the box is
[1:43:50]
going to look like and if it's a dump or
[1:43:52]
if it's whatever.
[1:43:53]
>> It's going to m match our other trucks
[1:43:55]
which is
[1:43:58]
>> And we have the money in our vehicle
[1:44:00]
reserved.
[1:44:01]
>> We we do. Yes. We put
[1:44:04]
>> we started we restarted that fund two
[1:44:07]
budget years ago. So the first year we
[1:44:09]
put $200,000 in it and this last budget
[1:44:13]
year we put $50,000 in as of July 1st.
[1:44:16]
So we have $250,000
[1:44:19]
[snorts] in it and this is exactly what
[1:44:22]
it was meant for.
[1:44:23]
>> Yeah.
[1:44:23]
>> And we save 32,000 or whatever he said
[1:44:26]
by doing it. So
[1:44:28]
>> we have to keep on doing the trues so
[1:44:30]
that we don't get surprised every time
[1:44:31]
we need a truck cuz trucks,
[1:44:33]
>> you know, one of them was an accident
[1:44:35]
and it was not North Brford's vault. was
[1:44:37]
the other party. And the truck is worth
[1:44:40]
a lot more to us, but to the insurance
[1:44:42]
company, it's three grand. You're not
[1:44:44]
replacing heavy machinery for three
[1:44:47]
grand, but the insurance company doesn't
[1:44:48]
care.
[1:44:48]
>> Nope.
[1:44:49]
>> So, it's a loss
[1:44:50]
>> and it's a big loss to us. Um, so it's
[1:44:53]
just one of those scenarios where we
[1:44:54]
have to continue to think ahead of the
[1:44:56]
curve and put money into these accounts.
[1:44:59]
>> So, I have a question.
[1:45:00]
>> Yes.
[1:45:01]
>> So, the 172 change, that's for the cabin
[1:45:04]
chassis, right? But that's for the truck
[1:45:07]
completely built.
[1:45:08]
>> Nope. That's just the truck,
[1:45:10]
>> cabin, chassis, truck, and frame. And
[1:45:12]
then the other 155 in the memo is to
[1:45:14]
will be to build it. We'll request that.
[1:45:16]
>> So it's 172 plus 155.
[1:45:19]
>> Yep. That's the whole entire truck.
[1:45:21]
>> Oh boy.
[1:45:21]
>> They're not cheap.
[1:45:22]
>> But we're only doing the 172 right now
[1:45:25]
to get the cabin chassis.
[1:45:28]
And then next budget year, [snorts]
[1:45:30]
they're coming in for the body.
[1:45:31]
>> There's $275,000,
[1:45:34]
>> right? fire truck.
[1:45:37]
[laughter]
[1:45:38]
>> Yeah, they've they've gone up in price.
[1:45:42]
12 years ago when I started they were
[1:45:44]
two change. When France started they
[1:45:46]
were $80,000,
[1:45:47]
>> right?
[1:45:48]
>> It's
[1:45:51]
now you're saying $155,000, but that's
[1:45:55]
now that price could change when they
[1:45:58]
start ordering the parts and everything
[1:46:00]
else. If there's an increase in them
[1:46:02]
getting the parts that 155,000 can go
[1:46:04]
higher.
[1:46:05]
>> Yeah, we we did have that conversation
[1:46:07]
with the vendor. I think currently
[1:46:08]
they're around 150 and he had us budget
[1:46:11]
155 assuming that increase.
[1:46:13]
>> So if we signed a contract with them,
[1:46:16]
would they be locked in that they can't
[1:46:17]
go up on their price? I mean that's it.
[1:46:19]
>> Yeah. No, they would have to be locked
[1:46:21]
in because this is through a Sourcewell
[1:46:23]
contract. So
[1:46:24]
>> Sourcewell is a national company
[1:46:27]
>> that we can piggyback on. [snorts]
[1:46:29]
That's why we don't have to go out to
[1:46:30]
bid for
[1:46:33]
>> But but are we doing right by not going
[1:46:36]
out to bid? We're spending hundreds of
[1:46:38]
thousands of dollars.
[1:46:42]
>> And we're not we're not we don't look at
[1:46:43]
comparable.
[1:46:44]
>> Yeah.
[1:46:45]
>> We're not looking at,
[1:46:47]
you know, item A, item B, item C.
[1:46:51]
Um, I believe when I've talked to Fran,
[1:46:54]
I know he couldn't be here tonight, but
[1:46:56]
he does do that with and and will talk
[1:47:00]
to different vendors. It's not so much
[1:47:02]
that he's going out to bid, but he will
[1:47:05]
get those prices and on other trucks. It
[1:47:10]
might not necessarily be a Mac. Mac is
[1:47:13]
their favorite is what he's told only
[1:47:15]
because it's interchangeable. like the
[1:47:17]
Mac that they're putting the um
[1:47:21]
>> the transmission in right now. If they
[1:47:23]
if something happens because it's
[1:47:25]
already noted that there's rust on the
[1:47:27]
frame and if that truck goes down and
[1:47:28]
the frame cracks and they can't use it,
[1:47:31]
they can take that transmission out and
[1:47:33]
put it into another truck. So, we're not
[1:47:35]
losing the transmission. We can reuse it
[1:47:37]
in another truck. M
[1:47:39]
>> um that's one of the reasons they tend
[1:47:41]
to keep the same type of trucks in their
[1:47:45]
but he he doesn't just go to source well
[1:47:49]
um and he does get prices on other
[1:47:53]
trucks.
[1:47:53]
>> Yeah. But we don't have the advantage of
[1:47:55]
having those before us tonight. Okay. We
[1:47:57]
just have just this one Mac truck
[1:47:59]
without and Tommy brings up a good
[1:48:01]
point. We're not going out to bid and
[1:48:03]
we're just relying on these figures and
[1:48:06]
are we doing the right service to the
[1:48:09]
taxpayers of the town by not getting
[1:48:11]
other prices from other I don't know I
[1:48:13]
don't know the name of the different
[1:48:14]
truck companies but uh I don't know but
[1:48:17]
Ford or Dodge or somebody else makes
[1:48:18]
these big trucks. Why don't we have
[1:48:21]
information about those and so we can
[1:48:23]
make a more educated decision as opposed
[1:48:25]
to saying well we were gonna lie on this
[1:48:28]
because it's a Mac truck and it's
[1:48:29]
interchangeable with all the other
[1:48:30]
stuff. But the bottom line is we're
[1:48:32]
weakening our position by saying we're
[1:48:34]
only going to do it back in this one
[1:48:36]
company.
[1:48:37]
>> So
[1:48:38]
>> Dan, Dan, I want to take this.
[1:48:40]
>> Okay.
[1:48:40]
>> Cuz I'm going to throw myself under the
[1:48:42]
bus.
[1:48:44]
[laughter]
[1:48:46]
>> What did he say?
[1:48:47]
>> He's going to throw himself under the
[1:48:48]
bus.
[1:48:49]
>> I'm going to get out of the way.
[1:48:51]
>> Go ahead.
[1:48:51]
>> So
[1:48:53]
>> I had all the concerns that everybody
[1:48:55]
had, you know, for [clears throat]
[1:48:57]
years. And it used to bother me that
[1:48:59]
you'd see the state highway was was
[1:49:02]
plowing with Ford trucks and Vermont was
[1:49:04]
plowing with international trucks and
[1:49:06]
North Brford had Mac trucks.
[1:49:08]
And so I pushed on the council years ago
[1:49:14]
for them for Franny to go out to bid and
[1:49:18]
take the lowest bid snowplow truck. So
[1:49:21]
they had put the specs out there. We
[1:49:22]
need a truck. It has to be this gross
[1:49:24]
weight and it has to have a 12T plow and
[1:49:28]
carry a sander. So he bought a freight
[1:49:30]
liner
[1:49:31]
>> truck 55.
[1:49:33]
>> And I just asked Franny, how long did
[1:49:35]
that freight liner last? Cuz believe me,
[1:49:37]
I got egg on my face. Six and a half
[1:49:40]
years.
[1:49:42]
The max lasts
[1:49:44]
26 years.
[1:49:46]
>> It was the oddball. in owning big
[1:49:47]
trucks, you know, the rear ends and the
[1:49:50]
transmissions and the the frames are
[1:49:53]
heavier on a Mac. You go across the
[1:49:55]
scale with an empty Mac truck and go
[1:49:57]
across with a freight liner, an
[1:50:00]
international, and you got, you know,
[1:50:02]
pounds of steel difference in what it
[1:50:05]
is. So,
[1:50:05]
>> you pay for. So, I I tend to agree that
[1:50:09]
we we we we asked the question, which is
[1:50:12]
smart, but for me, you know, we we're kind of stuck with these Mac
[1:50:17]
trucks and we have interchangeable parts
[1:50:19]
on them and like the new transmission
[1:50:21]
they're putting in will be saved to go
[1:50:23]
in the next Mac truck when this frame is
[1:50:26]
shot or whatever. So, so I think that I
[1:50:29]
think that this makes sense, but that's
[1:50:32]
just me from true life town council
[1:50:34]
experience. So
[1:50:36]
>> yeah. Well, I respect your experience.
[1:50:39]
>> Believe me, I was the one that pushed
[1:50:41]
for it.
[1:50:42]
>> Absolutely.
[1:50:43]
>> It was no good.
[1:50:44]
>> Yeah.
[1:50:45]
>> And we and we looked at other bands. We we spoke to uh Peterbuilt. They were
[1:50:49]
down at our shop and the trucks weren't
[1:50:51]
the same. They were lighter duty
[1:50:53]
transmissions and what they were trying
[1:50:54]
to sell us wasn't it wasn't the same. It
[1:50:56]
wasn't comparable. Not to mention, we
[1:50:59]
have five newer Mac trucks. So we could
[1:51:01]
keep the one power steering pump on the
[1:51:02]
shelf and it fits all five trucks at 2
[1:51:05]
in the morning when something goes down.
[1:51:07]
We're there and um you know going out to
[1:51:10]
bid especially on this one. We run the
[1:51:14]
risk we're probably going to spend about
[1:51:15]
$30,000 more because you're going to
[1:51:18]
they're you're going to be buying a
[1:51:19]
truck with that new emissions, not one
[1:51:22]
that's already coming down the line.
[1:51:23]
>> Right. I just bring that up just my
[1:51:25]
experience with fleet management in in
[1:51:27]
the corporations that I've been in and
[1:51:30]
are still in,
[1:51:31]
>> you know, the fleet the fleet management
[1:51:33]
group goes out every year, you know, and
[1:51:35]
they're they're buying hundreds and
[1:51:37]
thousands of trucks every year
[1:51:40]
>> and uh and slowly sometimes you see the
[1:51:42]
fleet changing from this this [snorts]
[1:51:44]
type of truck to that type of truck. But
[1:51:47]
it's a it's a it's a revolving door kind
[1:51:50]
of.
[1:51:50]
>> Yeah. I just bring that up because
[1:51:52]
>> But do they salvage to salvage their
[1:51:54]
trucks like they do? They have a problem
[1:51:56]
with one.
[1:51:57]
>> They use parts from the other. They
[1:51:58]
probably don't do that. So they have to
[1:52:00]
>> You're right. I'm I'm I'm just I'm just
[1:52:01]
bringing it up. You know that
[1:52:03]
>> you put the specs out, you know that
[1:52:06]
[clears throat]
[1:52:06]
>> and and people come in. But
[1:52:08]
>> that's just it's just a comment that I'm
[1:52:11]
not
[1:52:12]
>> No, [snorts] that's your job is to look
[1:52:13]
at it from every angle. And
[1:52:15]
>> we did this with the police department.
[1:52:16]
If you remember, we we changed the
[1:52:17]
fleet. You talked about going into
[1:52:19]
different types of of vehicles for
[1:52:21]
police as well and we found there were
[1:52:23]
some longevity issues with that as well
[1:52:27]
anymore.
[1:52:28]
>> No, true.
[1:52:28]
>> And we're all using SUVs now.
[1:52:31]
>> Well, Tommy brought up a really good
[1:52:32]
point and I wanted to hear about it and
[1:52:34]
my job here is to listen to people with
[1:52:37]
their opinions and Alice convinced me
[1:52:39]
based on his experience that this is the
[1:52:41]
right way to go. So, I'm listening to
[1:52:44]
his experience and respect that. No
[1:52:46]
offense.
[1:52:47]
>> No. I think if we don't this now, we're
[1:52:50]
going to get a higher price bill
[1:52:51]
>> later.
[1:52:53]
>> So,
[1:52:53]
>> is there a motion on the floor?
[1:52:55]
>> All right.
[1:52:56]
>> Yeah.
[1:52:59]
>> I move that the town council approve an
[1:53:01]
allocation not to exceed $173,000
[1:53:04]
from the town vehicle maintenance
[1:53:06]
reserve fund for a new mech cab and
[1:53:08]
chashy chashy from Gabrieli Truck Sales
[1:53:12]
via Sourcewell.
[1:53:13]
>> I'll second. Motion was made by
[1:53:16]
councelor Diamond, second by Deputy
[1:53:17]
Mayor McMillan.
[1:53:19]
All in favor?
[1:53:21]
>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.
[1:53:26]
>> Great. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:53:27]
>> You're welcome. Thank you.
[1:53:28]
>> So, this is not coming out of the public
[1:53:29]
works reserve. It's coming out of that
[1:53:30]
special pot of money.
[1:53:32]
>> It's coming out of the special pot of
[1:53:33]
money.
[1:53:34]
>> Yeah. Gotcha. Reserve.
[1:53:35]
>> There isn't any in public works for
[1:53:38]
>> Gotcha. [laughter] So, well,
[1:53:41]
>> so having said that and and listening to
[1:53:43]
Tommy. So Danny, I think, and we'll talk to Franny, but I don't see
[1:53:47]
anything wrong with So So this one was a leftover truck ready to go. So there
[1:53:53]
was a savings to buy it, but
[1:53:55]
>> for next year's truck or whatever,
[1:53:57]
>> go out to bid. You don't have to buy
[1:53:59]
one. You know, go out to bid and let's
[1:54:01]
see what the difference is and know what
[1:54:03]
it is.
[1:54:04]
>> You know, you got to look for a used
[1:54:05]
one. I mean,
[1:54:06]
>> we don't have to take it. So yeah,
[1:54:08]
>> using that truck, you know, somewhere
[1:54:10]
around 2012 or 13, somewhere around
[1:54:13]
here, the last 26 years, I think. So,
[1:54:15]
>> yeah. Well, we we actually looked at a
[1:54:17]
2016 recently, but the town, they didn't
[1:54:20]
walk they don't wash them like we do.
[1:54:21]
And because they were just getting rid
[1:54:22]
of it at the 10 year mark. So,
[1:54:25]
>> a lot of times they're junks because
[1:54:26]
they know they're getting rid of them
[1:54:27]
every 10 years. They have
[1:54:29]
>> the money in their operating budget to
[1:54:30]
just
[1:54:31]
>> rolling stock them.
[1:54:33]
>> But, um, you know, can we go out to bid
[1:54:35]
in the future? Yeah.
[1:54:38]
the source. Well, you know, they know
[1:54:40]
I'm just going to use a number 31% off
[1:54:42]
MS MRSP. So, someone's going to come in
[1:54:44]
at 30.5 or, you know, and it's going to
[1:54:47]
take 90 days and
[1:54:49]
>> and then it's not the guy who's building
[1:54:51]
our truck all the time. It could be a
[1:54:52]
different vendor and
[1:54:54]
>> but Source Well, they have different
[1:54:56]
kinds of trucks.
[1:54:57]
>> At least check the price
[1:54:58]
>> or is it just Mac?
[1:55:00]
>> No, Mac is on source. Okay. Just like
[1:55:02]
John Deere tractor, Ford. Okay.
[1:55:07]
Yeah,
[1:55:07]
>> thanks Dan.
[1:55:08]
>> Thank you sir.
[1:55:09]
>> Thank you.
[1:55:11]
>> Okay. Next item. Authorizing resolution
[1:55:14]
for renewal of household hazardous waste
[1:55:16]
collection for July 1st, 2026
[1:55:20]
through June 30th, 2029.
[1:55:25]
» Uh yeah. So this is a program that the
[1:55:27]
town currently participates in. It uh
[1:55:30]
offers town residents the ability to
[1:55:32]
dispose of hazardous materials
[1:55:36]
uh from
[1:55:38]
9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. from May to
[1:55:40]
October at the regional water authority
[1:55:43]
facility in New Haven. Um this is
[1:55:46]
something that was in the budget uh that
[1:55:49]
passed. There's 22,500 budgeted for this
[1:55:53]
item. Uh and there is a resolution
[1:55:56]
included in the packet as well.
[1:56:02]
It's on page 39 and it's a long
[1:56:05]
resolution. So you might want to just
[1:56:08]
>> So I move that we approve the resolution
[1:56:10]
as stated on page 39 which will be
[1:56:14]
effective from June July 1, 2026 through
[1:56:17]
June 30th, 2029.
[1:56:20]
>> Is there a second?
[1:56:21]
>> Second.
[1:56:22]
>> Okay.
[1:56:24]
Motion was made by councelor Diamond,
[1:56:27]
seconded by councelor Rose.
[1:56:31]
Any discussion?
[1:56:33]
All in favor?
[1:56:34]
>> I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries.
[1:56:39]
Next is proposed fixed assessment
[1:56:43]
agreement for 280 Brford Road, also
[1:56:46]
known as Central Plaza.
[1:56:50]
So, as uh the council may remember, uh
[1:56:52]
the ownership of Central Plaza
[1:56:54]
transferred uh at the beginning of the
[1:56:57]
year. Um since then, we've been in
[1:56:59]
frequent contact with the new owners. Um
[1:57:03]
as you may recall, there were a number
[1:57:05]
of outstanding
[1:57:07]
um blight issues on the property as well
[1:57:10]
as some building code violations. Um,
[1:57:14]
and you know, we we did not anticipate
[1:57:17]
that they would immediately correct
[1:57:18]
them, that it would take them a little
[1:57:20]
bit of time once the ownership
[1:57:21]
transferred to line up contractors, etc.
[1:57:24]
Um, and we're happy to report that, you
[1:57:26]
know, the vast majority of the code uh
[1:57:29]
violations have been remediated already.
[1:57:32]
Um, in addition to that, they have a
[1:57:34]
number of plans underway. they've been
[1:57:37]
getting uh quotes for some additional
[1:57:39]
projects trying to bring the plaza um up
[1:57:43]
to a higher standard. Um around the time
[1:57:47]
of the property transfer, the the new
[1:57:48]
owners approached me and asked uh
[1:57:51]
whether the town would be willing to
[1:57:53]
consider any sort of assistance uh in
[1:57:56]
terms of their tax burden. Uh, and so I
[1:57:59]
took that request and brought it
[1:58:01]
directly to the economic development
[1:58:03]
commission the past several times that
[1:58:05]
um [snorts] matters have come before the
[1:58:07]
council like the economic development
[1:58:09]
fund. The council had requested that the
[1:58:11]
economic development commission weigh in
[1:58:13]
on those and so I brought it directly to
[1:58:15]
the commission to provide a
[1:58:16]
recommendation to the council. Um
[1:58:21]
due to the nature of the work that needs
[1:58:23]
to be done there, uh it is not a good
[1:58:26]
candidate for the town's existing
[1:58:28]
assessment deferral program. Uh the
[1:58:31]
requirements of that program include
[1:58:33]
that the value of the property must
[1:58:36]
increase uh by 30% or more as a result
[1:58:40]
of that project. Um, and because we're
[1:58:43]
mostly talking about
[1:58:45]
uh roof replacement, uh, you know,
[1:58:48]
really just remediation of existing
[1:58:50]
issues rather than expansion and
[1:58:53]
improvement. Uh, it would not meet the
[1:58:55]
requirements of the program.
[1:58:57]
Additionally, it it is not likely to be
[1:59:00]
done all at once. It is something that
[1:59:02]
is going to be done over a number of
[1:59:03]
years. Um, so we started to look for
[1:59:06]
other tools um the town could use. Uh
[1:59:10]
and there is a state statute which
[1:59:12]
allows the town to enter into uh an
[1:59:15]
agreement of up to 30 years um with a
[1:59:20]
property owner uh to do a fixed
[1:59:24]
assessment agreement. And so what that
[1:59:26]
would entail is um
[1:59:30]
fixing the assessment for a number of
[1:59:33]
years at a rate specified in the
[1:59:35]
agreement. Um and so
[1:59:40]
once uh I had introduced that idea to
[1:59:44]
the economic development commission it
[1:59:46]
became about what is the term of the
[1:59:48]
proposed agreement and and what are the
[1:59:51]
levels of the assessment to be included.
[1:59:54]
Um so the goal of this agreement is to
[1:59:59]
provide uh stability and predictability
[2:00:02]
to the property owners in terms of their
[2:00:04]
tax bill. Um, as a result, the Economic
[2:00:09]
Development Commission settled on a
[2:00:10]
10-year period. They thought that was
[2:00:13]
significant enough to provide the
[2:00:14]
necessary stability uh without uh, you
[2:00:18]
know, burdening the town long term. Uh,
[2:00:21]
and then in terms of the amounts that
[2:00:23]
they selected, the sale price on the
[2:00:26]
property was $3.5 million.
[2:00:29]
Um,
[2:00:31]
70% of that is approximately 2.45
[2:00:34]
million. And so the first term uh was
[2:00:38]
2.5 million for three years.
[2:00:41]
Uh the final term is a 4-year term at
[2:00:45]
4.1 million which was the assessed value
[2:00:48]
after revaluation.
[2:00:50]
Uh and the middle term is splitting the
[2:00:52]
difference moving it uh halfway between.
[2:00:56]
Um and so that was the vote that the
[2:00:59]
economic development commission took at
[2:01:01]
their meeting earlier this month. So,
[2:01:03]
I'm presenting it to the council for
[2:01:05]
consideration um and looking for some
[2:01:08]
feedback as to any concerns that you may
[2:01:11]
have.
[2:01:11]
>> Okay. So, I I you know looked at all of the
[2:01:16]
information in our packet as far as the field card and everything else
[2:01:22]
based on that information.
[2:01:25]
has the town assessor gone through like
[2:01:29]
do we have information regarding current
[2:01:32]
rents on the property that type of thing
[2:01:35]
and has he gone through and done an
[2:01:39]
assessment on this property uh or an
[2:01:42]
analysis of this information
[2:01:46]
>> because I know that I I believe on
[2:01:49]
commercial properties and especially
[2:01:50]
like this there are forms that have to
[2:01:53]
be filled out annually especally
[2:01:54]
Especially on I know on personal
[2:01:56]
property on rentals it might be a little
[2:01:58]
bit different
[2:02:00]
given the history of the previous owner.
[2:02:03]
I'm sure he didn't submit those.
[2:02:05]
>> That is correct. [laughter]
[2:02:08]
>> So so I'm I'm not sure that we have that
[2:02:10]
information or that information was
[2:02:13]
available to the person [laughter]
[2:02:16]
the people that bought it. And so, you
[2:02:19]
know, how would that relate to the
[2:02:22]
information that I mean, I would be
[2:02:26]
interested to see how those numbers
[2:02:28]
relate to what economic development came
[2:02:31]
in
[2:02:32]
>> came in at.
[2:02:33]
>> Yeah.
[2:02:35]
>> The the new owners have been very
[2:02:37]
forthcoming with information. Um, I
[2:02:39]
handed out to you all tonight. It should
[2:02:40]
be in your folders.
[2:02:42]
>> It's this yellow. Yeah, this is
[2:02:45]
>> so
[2:02:45]
>> about central plaza in your packet.
[2:02:48]
>> Economic development had asked them for
[2:02:51]
um you know some information some
[2:02:54]
justification for their request. Um so
[2:02:57]
they provided that which includes a list
[2:02:59]
of you know all of the deferred
[2:03:02]
maintenance from the previous owners.
[2:03:05]
um you know, for example, the roof. We
[2:03:08]
there was one of the code violations
[2:03:12]
um
[2:03:13]
at the uh building that contains
[2:03:16]
townline spirits uh was, you know, a
[2:03:19]
persistent roof leak, which was just
[2:03:22]
patch after patch after patch. And so in
[2:03:25]
their preliminary investigation, they
[2:03:26]
said that there are several layers of
[2:03:28]
roofing material that have just been
[2:03:30]
laid on top of one another. Um and so
[2:03:34]
they they've been assembling quotes
[2:03:36]
since they assumed ownership and that is
[2:03:38]
what was presented to you tonight. Um
[2:03:41]
additionally they provided uh copies of
[2:03:44]
most of the leases. Um they expressed
[2:03:49]
concern at providing some of the
[2:03:52]
corporate lease documents. So uh the
[2:03:54]
USPS and McDonald's. Um and so I I said
[2:03:59]
understandable if you could provide the
[2:04:01]
rest. So we have those um and we are
[2:04:04]
going through them to provide
[2:04:05]
announcement.
[2:04:06]
>> Why is that understandable?
[2:04:09]
>> Um you know they are
[2:04:12]
>> they're paying rent on that property. So
[2:04:14]
correct they provided understandable
[2:04:16]
that we that the assessor wouldn't have
[2:04:18]
that information to to to tell us what
[2:04:20]
the difference is.
[2:04:22]
>> Um
[2:04:24]
they they are providing the rents but
[2:04:26]
not the lease documents. As far as I
[2:04:28]
know they are not
[2:04:29]
>> so they're going to apply they're going
[2:04:30]
to supply the rent. They did. They did.
[2:04:32]
Um they just Okay.
[2:04:33]
>> They're not required to supply the lease
[2:04:34]
documents. So
[2:04:35]
>> I misunderstood you.
[2:04:36]
>> Yeah.
[2:04:37]
>> Um
[2:04:39]
and so I I've given that information to
[2:04:41]
the assessor. Um at first glance, most
[2:04:46]
of them seem
[2:04:47]
uh well below market. Uh and that is
[2:04:51]
part of uh the new owner's issue as
[2:04:53]
well. they're in a position where um
[2:04:58]
you know
[2:05:00]
they need to raise the rents in order to
[2:05:02]
generate the funds to do the work. Um
[2:05:07]
but if they do so too quickly, they
[2:05:10]
could lose the tenants, in which case
[2:05:12]
they'll have even less money coming in.
[2:05:14]
Um, and so, uh, I'm happy to have the
[2:05:18]
assessor review that information, come
[2:05:20]
back to the council with, uh, a more
[2:05:22]
formal analysis. Um, but, you know, what
[2:05:26]
we're looking to provide them is,
[2:05:29]
um, you know, Central Plaza is a a key
[2:05:33]
component of the town. It's been in bad
[2:05:36]
condition for decades. Um, and so, you
[2:05:41]
know, we
[2:05:43]
we're glad that the town was able to
[2:05:44]
play a role in facilitating the transfer
[2:05:46]
of the property, but now that it is
[2:05:48]
transferred, um, we're looking to, uh,
[2:05:54]
be a good partner with the new owners,
[2:05:56]
uh, and to the extent possible, um, see
[2:06:00]
if we can provide them a little bit of
[2:06:01]
breathing room so that we can see the
[2:06:03]
improvements to the plaza, uh, more
[2:06:06]
quickly. I, you know, in speaking with
[2:06:08]
them, you know, I they're town
[2:06:11]
residents. They own other businesses in
[2:06:13]
town as well. Um, I believe that they want to do right by the town. They
[2:06:19]
want to improve the plaza, but they're really in a difficult position
[2:06:22]
at the moment. So,
[2:06:24]
>> well, correct me if I'm wrong. They're
[2:06:26]
[clears throat] looking for a fixed task
[2:06:28]
assessment, but they still have the
[2:06:30]
opportunity to go up on the square
[2:06:32]
footage of the rents for each each
[2:06:35]
particular tenant. Correct.
[2:06:37]
>> How does that play a role into the fixed
[2:06:39]
cost assessment?
[2:06:40]
>> How do they benefit and how do we
[2:06:42]
benefit?
[2:06:43]
>> You know,
[2:06:45]
over what the fixed assessment agreement
[2:06:48]
would do is we we would know exactly
[2:06:49]
what the town's tax income would be for
[2:06:53]
the period of the agreement. It fixes
[2:06:55]
the assessment and so the mill rate will
[2:06:57]
change and the new mill rate will apply
[2:07:00]
but the assessment remains the same.
[2:07:02]
>> Understand that. But that's not my
[2:07:04]
question.
[2:07:06]
the tenants
[2:07:08]
stand a chance of getting rental
[2:07:10]
increases [clears throat]
[2:07:11]
based on the square footage.
[2:07:12]
>> Yeah.
[2:07:13]
>> So that's a bigger profit for the
[2:07:15]
landlord.
[2:07:16]
>> How does that benefit us? How
[2:07:18]
>> do you understand what I'm saying?
[2:07:20]
>> Yeah. I mean
[2:07:21]
>> we're helping them but how do we get
[2:07:22]
paid back as well? So essentially by the
[2:07:28]
plaza improving you know the the way
[2:07:30]
that uh we structured the draft
[2:07:32]
agreement is that between each period um
[2:07:36]
it is not an automatic renewal. Uh
[2:07:40]
there's three separate periods each
[2:07:42]
period requires an affirmative vote of
[2:07:44]
the council. So if after three years you
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are not satisfied with the progress at
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the plaza you can cancel the agreement.
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All right.
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We've often said and we've had speakers
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come before us. Part of our problem is we are a farming community
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>> and we need businesses if we can get
[2:08:01]
them in to help offset the taxes that
[2:08:04]
homeowners have to pay. Does isn't this
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the reverse of that that we're giving
[2:08:10]
them a fixed assessment and they're
[2:08:11]
paying less taxes to us and doesn't that
[2:08:14]
make it more of a burden on the the the
[2:08:16]
homeowners, the residents?
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um it is a longer term approach. Um so
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yes in the short term uh by reducing the
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assessed value there will be less less
[2:08:29]
tax income coming in from the property.
[2:08:32]
Uh the hope is that you know at at the
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end of the 10-year agreement um in
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addition to the the natural increase in
[2:08:39]
the property value that would come
[2:08:41]
through revaluation cycles.
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uh you will also see the value that
[2:08:47]
comes from the the investments in the
[2:08:49]
property. And so at the end of the
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10-year period, basically it's a it's a
[2:08:54]
cash flow solution. By reducing the
[2:08:56]
amount of money that they need to
[2:08:57]
allocate to taxes, they're able to
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invest more money into the property in
[2:09:01]
the short term. And the pay for the
[2:09:04]
[clears throat] town is on the tail end
[2:09:05]
of that.
[2:09:06]
>> But basically, we're paying for his
[2:09:08]
upgrades. Basically, it's
[2:09:11]
>> or what what I don't understand is
[2:09:15]
the current value. I I'm just spinning
[2:09:18]
around here trying to find it again. I
[2:09:20]
thought it was it was approximately 6
[2:09:22]
million, right?
[2:09:23]
>> That that's what Yes. The
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>> the current
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>> the
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>> on the book
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>> the appraised value which was done as a
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mass, you know, during the reval.
[2:09:36]
>> Yeah. Okay. So why would we go why would
[2:09:39]
at the end of 10 years it it fall back
[2:09:42]
to current market value? Why would why
[2:09:46]
would it be a a lower rate?
[2:09:49]
>> No, not the the then present market
[2:09:52]
value. So whatever the market value
[2:09:54]
would be in 10 years.
[2:09:55]
>> Yeah. the the the property would be
[2:09:58]
assessed as a part of the revaluation
[2:10:00]
process, but the assessed value on which
[2:10:04]
the taxes would be based would be the
[2:10:06]
value in the agreement. At the end of
[2:10:09]
that 10-year period, it goes to what the
[2:10:11]
present assessed value is, not the
[2:10:14]
current.
[2:10:15]
>> Yeah, that Yeah, that's I'm sorry, I'm
[2:10:17]
mixing terms up, but that's what I mean.
[2:10:18]
Yeah. Okay. So,
[2:10:23]
yeah, I don't know. I think we got to
[2:10:24]
think about this a little.
[2:10:25]
>> Well, I think I I think what we need is
[2:10:27]
we need the assessor,
[2:10:28]
>> right? I think we this this is like
[2:10:30]
information that we got. We just got it
[2:10:32]
tonight.
[2:10:32]
>> We need some time to think through.
[2:10:33]
>> I think I anticipate that the council
[2:10:36]
would move this forward tonight. It's
[2:10:37]
more if there are specific things you're
[2:10:39]
looking for from the assessor to make
[2:10:41]
sure you want two months, one month.
[2:10:44]
>> No, the assessor probably couldn't have
[2:10:47]
information for our July meeting.
[2:10:48]
>> So, I'll make a motion to table. Just let me ask one question until
[2:10:52]
>> Just let me ask one question.
[2:10:53]
>> Oh, go ahead.
[2:10:54]
>> The IGA space that's there that's
[2:10:56]
vacant, it's been vacant for a long
[2:10:57]
time.
[2:10:59]
>> If they end up getting occupy that
[2:11:02]
space,
[2:11:03]
>> does that person end up paying taxes
[2:11:05]
based on their business themselves too?
[2:11:07]
Is that is that how that works or would
[2:11:08]
they
[2:11:09]
>> will depend? Um, so,
[2:11:12]
uh, kind of the industry standard now is
[2:11:15]
a triple net lease. And in one of those
[2:11:18]
leases, yes, the the business owner is
[2:11:21]
responsible for the property taxes. So,
[2:11:24]
I mean, that's a good point. It would it
[2:11:26]
would be passed on to uh the business
[2:11:28]
owner, the tenant. Um,
[2:11:32]
and that, you know, looking at the
[2:11:34]
leases, the existing leases, none of
[2:11:36]
them are triple net. I think I think
[2:11:37]
maybe one
[2:11:40]
>> the big focal point is occupying that
[2:11:42]
big space.
[2:11:43]
>> But the other thing is the tenant would
[2:11:45]
pay personal property tax on the
[2:11:48]
equipment and stuff. That's that's
[2:11:50]
totally separate from the real estate
[2:11:52]
tax. They would still be responsible for
[2:11:55]
the person depending on the type of
[2:11:57]
business.
[2:11:58]
>> So they would pay they have to file a
[2:12:00]
form. It's due every November 1st and
[2:12:03]
they get charged against on the personal
[2:12:06]
property and that's separate from the
[2:12:08]
real estate.
[2:12:08]
>> Part part of the other issue is that
[2:12:10]
they are locked into some of these
[2:12:12]
leases. These were negotiated by the
[2:12:14]
prior owner. They inherited them and now
[2:12:17]
you know they they have several years
[2:12:18]
until the end of these lease terms. And
[2:12:20]
so to your question, councelor Mace,
[2:12:22]
they won't be able to renegotiate some
[2:12:24]
of these leases for a number of years.
[2:12:26]
So they're locked into their current
[2:12:28]
cash flow.
[2:12:29]
>> Oh, I understand that people. We're
[2:12:30]
giving them a 10-year fixed assessment.
[2:12:34]
In the meantime, they can still
[2:12:35]
capitalize on their tenants by every
[2:12:38]
month going up on the the price per
[2:12:40]
square footage.
[2:12:42]
>> No, no, that's what he just said.
[2:12:43]
>> Not the lease. Not the lease.
[2:12:45]
>> Not when the lease is expired.
[2:12:46]
>> Some of the leases are expired. Some of
[2:12:48]
them are still current. So, they will
[2:12:49]
not be able to do that.
[2:12:50]
>> I know eventually it happens.
[2:12:52]
>> Yes. Yes, but but that we also have the
[2:12:54]
right according to this is every so the
[2:12:57]
first fixed assessment is for three
[2:13:00]
years. So at the end of that three years
[2:13:02]
we have the right to cancel the fixed
[2:13:05]
assessment before you go to the next
[2:13:07]
block of years on there. So we we that
[2:13:10]
is written into the so we do have it's
[2:13:13]
not an automatic like he said but I I
[2:13:15]
think we need more information from the
[2:13:17]
assessor. We need we need the assessor
[2:13:20]
to tell us how many dollars we're
[2:13:21]
talking because if I do the mental math
[2:13:23]
on what is you know their from their 41
[2:13:26]
to the 25 it's over half a million
[2:13:29]
dollars in taxes over 10 years that the
[2:13:32]
rest of the people in town are giving to
[2:13:35]
them and you know I mean I did a lot of
[2:13:38]
development in my life you know when you
[2:13:40]
buy something you know what you're
[2:13:42]
buying
[2:13:42]
>> but it's not 25 for the whole two years
[2:13:45]
you know
[2:13:45]
>> what that well if I read this thing here
[2:13:47]
and it's for 10 years. It's over 500,000
[2:13:50]
and I got that from the assessor.
[2:13:52]
>> No, no, no, no. I'm just saying that you
[2:13:53]
said 2. It's not 2.5 because it goes up.
[2:13:56]
So, I know there is a a reduction in the
[2:13:58]
taxes, but it's it doesn't stay at the
[2:14:00]
2.5.
[2:14:01]
>> What I'm saying is we need the assessor
[2:14:03]
to do an analysis of
[2:14:06]
>> whatever they're doing there.
[2:14:07]
>> And we need more data
[2:14:08]
>> and give us the proper amount. That
[2:14:10]
would be my motion.
[2:14:10]
>> Then we'd have to decide
[2:14:12]
>> whether we want to give them 500,000.
[2:14:14]
>> Okay.
[2:14:15]
>> Or 400,000
[2:14:16]
>> or 600. or 600,000.
[2:14:20]
>> So that's what we have to decide because
[2:14:22]
it is a burden on everybody else in
[2:14:24]
town.
[2:14:25]
>> Sorry to cut you off. Go ahead. Okay.
[2:14:27]
>> I make a motion to table this year
[2:14:30]
motion uh for the uh tax fixed tax
[2:14:33]
assessment until the July 2026 town
[2:14:37]
council meeting with the assessor to
[2:14:40]
come before us with the town manager to
[2:14:42]
explain to us all of the proprieties of
[2:14:44]
the agreement for the fixed tax
[2:14:46]
assessment for central plaza.
[2:14:49]
>> I may be clear that would be a motion to
[2:14:50]
postpone to a date certain. The date
[2:14:52]
certain being that July date
[2:14:54]
>> you don't want to table. You want to
[2:14:55]
postpone it?
[2:14:56]
>> Well, well, no, you don't. You if you
[2:14:58]
table it, you can't table it to a
[2:14:59]
specific date. If you want to have it a
[2:15:01]
specific date, it's technically a motion
[2:15:03]
to postpone to a date certain.
[2:15:06]
>> All right. this table of this council. A
[2:15:08]
motion to postpone
[2:15:11]
the current fixed cost assessment for
[2:15:12]
Central Plaza until the July 2026 town
[2:15:17]
council meeting with the assessor to
[2:15:19]
provide town manager with information to
[2:15:21]
answer our questions at that July
[2:15:23]
meeting.
[2:15:25]
>> Is that our counselor?
[2:15:26]
>> Yes, sir. That's perfect.
[2:15:28]
>> Second.
[2:15:29]
>> Motion [snorts] was made by councelor
[2:15:31]
May, seconded by councelor Zampano. So
[2:15:34]
for discussion purposes, so so since you
[2:15:36]
must have information and I know you
[2:15:38]
talked to EDC or whatever, but
[2:15:41]
>> so this bottom line that reads request
[2:15:44]
freezing property tax assessment at 2.5
[2:15:48]
million for 10 years. So that's wrong.
[2:15:51]
>> You're saying goes up?
[2:15:53]
>> Yeah, that was not the recommendation of
[2:15:55]
EDC.
[2:15:55]
>> Wrong.
[2:15:56]
>> Well, that this is from the owners of
[2:15:58]
the plaza that what's in our
[2:16:01]
>> document. What are we looking at? Well,
[2:16:03]
but there's a memo there's the memo in
[2:16:05]
our packet that laid out what the break,
[2:16:10]
you know, how many years 1 through three
[2:16:12]
it was 2.5, four through seven was goes
[2:16:16]
to 3 point something and then
[2:16:18]
>> that but that's the other thing then
[2:16:19]
let's get one document that we're
[2:16:21]
looking at.
[2:16:22]
>> Well, this just gave us this was
[2:16:24]
information from
[2:16:25]
>> one document that's the right document
[2:16:26]
at the next meeting
[2:16:28]
>> that was provided
[2:16:29]
>> you're going to get it
[2:16:30]
>> for additional context. Yeah.
[2:16:33]
>> Okay. Because it it's the deferred
[2:16:35]
maintenance list for the
[2:16:36]
>> propert.
[2:16:38]
But also, I mean, isn't
[2:16:40]
>> can't we trade partly a negotiation here
[2:16:44]
too if we
[2:16:45]
>> this is the the recommendation of the
[2:16:46]
EDC?
[2:16:48]
>> It is ultimately the council's decision,
[2:16:50]
>> right? Yes, it it definitely
[2:16:52]
>> Right.
[2:16:52]
>> It's a starting point.
[2:16:54]
>> Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha.
[2:16:56]
>> It's a starting point for us.
[2:16:59]
>> That's it. All in favor?
[2:17:02]
>> I opposed.
[2:17:03]
>> No.
[2:17:05]
[snorts]
[2:17:05]
>> Abstain.
[2:17:07]
Motion carries.
[2:17:10]
Okay.
[2:17:13]
Tax refunds.
[2:17:21]
Okay.
[2:17:27]
[clears throat]
[2:17:31]
I'll make the motion to approve the tax
[2:17:32]
refund of $2,758.24
[2:17:37]
to Leonard David and Herrera Lori.
[2:17:41]
>> I'll second.
[2:17:44]
» Motion was made by Councelor Diamond,
[2:17:47]
second by Deputy Mayor McMillan. All in
[2:17:50]
favor?
[2:17:51]
>> I opposed.
[2:17:54]
Abstain. Motion carries.
[2:18:00]
appropriation transfers.
[2:18:03]
>> You have uh some transfers in front of
[2:18:05]
you from um EMD Amtrudo with the
[2:18:08]
emergency management department moving
[2:18:10]
some money around there. Um Louisa some
[2:18:13]
money in social services for cover some
[2:18:16]
mileage.
[2:18:17]
uh the library covering some additional
[2:18:19]
books and digital digital content and
[2:18:22]
then some a transfer from the recreation
[2:18:24]
department to public works that actually
[2:18:27]
does the field uh recreation repairs.
[2:18:33]
I'll make the motion that the Northtown
[2:18:35]
Council hereby approve the following
[2:18:37]
appropriation transfers as recommended
[2:18:39]
by the town manager and the treasur
[2:18:40]
finance director.
[2:18:42]
Second
[2:18:44]
>> discussion.
[2:18:47]
All in favor?
[2:18:48]
>> I
[2:18:50]
>> opposed.
[2:18:52]
Substain. Motion carries.
[2:18:55]
Uh financial report.
[2:18:57]
>> Financial report. Uh the departments
[2:19:00]
that were over previously again we're
[2:19:02]
working on the consolidated cost center.
[2:19:04]
Getting that resolved would be a
[2:19:05]
transfer before you next meeting. Uh the
[2:19:08]
mayor and council and the zoning board
[2:19:10]
of appeals are both over due to
[2:19:12]
advertising.
[2:19:13]
Uh the big one at the bottom, the
[2:19:15]
operating transfers out is the
[2:19:16]
reclassification of the fund balance
[2:19:18]
transfers that we uh did a couple months
[2:19:22]
ago. Uh on track for another year in the
[2:19:25]
black with one more month left to go. We
[2:19:28]
are uh starting the process. We signed
[2:19:30]
the paperwork, the engagement letter for
[2:19:32]
the auditors. They'll be coming in in
[2:19:34]
the latter part of June to start the 26
[2:19:37]
audit.
[2:19:39]
No, no surprises as of yet.
[2:19:43]
So, so I have a question in regards to
[2:19:48]
accounts, departments that will have
[2:19:51]
money left over.
[2:19:54]
And I know it was brought up during
[2:19:56]
budget season and the police department
[2:19:59]
when they presented their budget at
[2:20:01]
their workshop in March. Um the chief
[2:20:03]
had talked about he knows of um
[2:20:08]
contracts coming
[2:20:11]
due in the next 2 3 4 years that are
[2:20:14]
going to have an increase and he had
[2:20:16]
asked if we could take some money that's
[2:20:20]
left over in his account and put it into
[2:20:23]
a non-lapsing account so that we can use
[2:20:26]
that money when those contracts come due
[2:20:29]
to lessen the tax increase. Is that
[2:20:32]
possible?
[2:20:33]
>> Typically operating expenses you
[2:20:35]
wouldn't move that money for. I know he
[2:20:36]
has some plans to purchase some vehicles
[2:20:39]
uh this year with some savings that he
[2:20:41]
has uh built up,
[2:20:44]
>> right? But this was he specifically
[2:20:46]
talked about contracts that were coming
[2:20:49]
due in a couple years and wanting to
[2:20:53]
establish like a a non-lapsing account.
[2:20:57]
That's the best way to describe it. so
[2:20:59]
that the money's there and we have less
[2:21:02]
of a tax burden that year. So
[2:21:05]
>> yeah, typically you don't want to do
[2:21:08]
that. I I'll talk to uh Chief Lovely and
[2:21:10]
get some more information from him.
[2:21:12]
>> Is it allowed through GASBY
[2:21:17]
regulations? If it's an operating
[2:21:18]
expense, it should be operating expense
[2:21:20]
in the year that it's incurred. You
[2:21:22]
shouldn't if you have savings, you know,
[2:21:24]
discussion we have every year about
[2:21:26]
departments that have savings and what
[2:21:28]
happens to that savings. Does it just
[2:21:29]
fall back to fund balance, which we were
[2:21:31]
teetering at a, you know, lower level
[2:21:34]
than we, you know, been at previously.
[2:21:36]
We want to bolster the fund balance a
[2:21:38]
little bit. If people have savings,
[2:21:39]
that's a great thing. Um, or do you want
[2:21:42]
to allow them to move it to future
[2:21:43]
years? It's ultimately the council's
[2:21:45]
call.
[2:21:46]
>> I just want to know if it's allowed.
[2:21:48]
>> I I I would [laughter]
[2:21:50]
I I'll do some research and get back to
[2:21:51]
you. I my initial answer was no, but
[2:21:53]
I'll I'll check on it.
[2:21:55]
>> Okay.
[2:21:57]
>> It's an operating expense in that year
[2:21:59]
or so.
[2:22:00]
>> Correct.
[2:22:00]
>> Yeah.
[2:22:01]
>> But kind of planning ahead.
[2:22:04]
>> Yeah.
[2:22:05]
>> And knowing that it's coming and not
[2:22:07]
knowing what the conditions might be at
[2:22:10]
that time.
[2:22:11]
>> Yeah.
[2:22:11]
>> I get it. I get it.
[2:22:13]
>> So, I just wanted to know does the
[2:22:16]
auditor allow it? is do all of the
[2:22:19]
recommendations from the different
[2:22:20]
organizations and I know municipalities
[2:22:23]
are different than private sector. So
[2:22:25]
that's why I'm asking the question.
[2:22:27]
>> A couple things I want to touch on
[2:22:29]
before I uh give it the floor back. Uh
[2:22:31]
the opioid funds, we had some additional
[2:22:33]
money come in today at $1,542.
[2:22:37]
the transfer you uh approved times two
[2:22:40]
for the life packs uh will leave $11,892
[2:22:45]
in the opioid fund after uh these
[2:22:48]
transactions occur.
[2:22:50]
>> But do we get an annual have we been
[2:22:52]
getting
[2:22:53]
>> we get money all along
[2:22:54]
>> due to the lawsuit and we get money that
[2:22:57]
comes
[2:22:57]
>> from each of each of the various whether
[2:22:59]
it's Walgreens or all the various firms
[2:23:01]
that have the schedules of when they
[2:23:03]
have to remit. Um we get letters and
[2:23:07]
shortly thereafter we get the money.
[2:23:08]
Yeah.
[2:23:08]
>> And and approximately
[2:23:10]
>> we got 4 46,000 and 23 49,000 in fiscal
[2:23:15]
24 20,000 in fiscal 25 so far about
[2:23:19]
24,000 change in fiscal 26.
[2:23:21]
>> Okay.
[2:23:22]
>> So total of 140 roughly and we spent 100
[2:23:26]
we spent 128 if you know the police and
[2:23:28]
the life packs leaving about $11,800
[2:23:31]
in that pot still.
[2:23:33]
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh next item, there was
[2:23:36]
discussion about the uh MBHS uh where we
[2:23:39]
are on that budget. Uh a couple of
[2:23:41]
items. There's some uh two different
[2:23:43]
contingencies amount. There's a owner's
[2:23:45]
contingency and the uh manager
[2:23:48]
contingency, construction manager
[2:23:49]
combined. It's about $360,000
[2:23:52]
left on both contingencies. 69 on the on
[2:23:56]
the owner's one and 290 on the overall
[2:23:58]
contingency. So I got about $360,000
[2:24:01]
left on that budget. Now, does that
[2:24:04]
account for the money that's allocated
[2:24:07]
for the athletic storage building? Is
[2:24:09]
that already out of that? That's what's
[2:24:11]
left after we took out the 89,000 or do
[2:24:14]
we still have to take money out of that?
[2:24:16]
>> That is a grand question. I I will get
[2:24:18]
an answer for you.
[2:24:20]
>> So, so the athletic storage building,
[2:24:22]
>> I thought we were supposed to get an
[2:24:24]
answer on that. What was
[2:24:26]
all progress on it? Well, no. It's just
[2:24:29]
the the funding of it comes out of the
[2:24:31]
contingency. So, the numbers he just
[2:24:33]
gave us in contingency, did they already
[2:24:35]
take the the $89,000 out of that or is
[2:24:39]
it just the money that was spent, which
[2:24:41]
was probably around 30 $25,000.
[2:24:46]
So, there might need to be more that
[2:24:47]
comes out of that. And I know they're
[2:24:50]
doing the green roof there. they're
[2:24:52]
still doing work on and so it's not
[2:24:56]
completely finished on that.
[2:25:00]
So, okay. Um, one more thing,
[2:25:04]
the U police station project
[2:25:09]
is uh unfortunately over budget.
[2:25:12]
Um, right now through uh the most recent
[2:25:16]
report, we're about 16430.
[2:25:19]
Uh the budget was 16250.
[2:25:22]
Uh the largest item, one of the largest
[2:25:25]
items that's over is the interest
[2:25:27]
expense.
[2:25:29]
And I pulled out the memo that was done
[2:25:32]
back in um 20 2020 when we talked about
[2:25:37]
financing and at the time the project
[2:25:40]
was slated for um about $250,000 of
[2:25:45]
interest cost. and that's what we
[2:25:47]
budgeted and the game plan at that point
[2:25:49]
was notes in 2020, notes in 2021, and
[2:25:53]
then bond it permanently in 2022.
[2:25:56]
Um, as we all know, the police station
[2:25:59]
project dragged for a couple different
[2:26:00]
uh reasons. We were not able to close
[2:26:03]
the money. Uh, we had to put money out
[2:26:05]
again. So that $250,000 estimate of
[2:26:09]
interest, which again was predicated
[2:26:11]
back when interest rates were low as
[2:26:13]
well, ended up being closer to $524,000.
[2:26:18]
Um the interest rates that helped on the
[2:26:20]
investment side of our house went
[2:26:22]
against us on the short-term financing.
[2:26:25]
In 2021,
[2:26:27]
we paid.13%
[2:26:29]
for one-year bands, uh which went to
[2:26:32]
1.65 65 in 2022 and then 3.4 in 2023 and
[2:26:37]
3.3 in 2024. So, while it helped us on
[2:26:40]
the investment side of our our
[2:26:42]
investment, it hurt us on the short-term
[2:26:44]
financing piece. Um, and in all honesty,
[2:26:47]
the budget should have been amended
[2:26:50]
once we realized we weren't going to do
[2:26:52]
the two bands and one bond. We ended up
[2:26:54]
doing four bands and and it dragged the
[2:26:57]
project out. Um,
[2:26:59]
>> is the project completely bonded? It's
[2:27:02]
completely bonded. Uh, and what I'll try
[2:27:04]
to do is we're going to work this came
[2:27:06]
out to light as we went through the
[2:27:07]
numbers to get some numbers for you
[2:27:08]
tonight. We'll go through the entire
[2:27:11]
police department uh budget line by line
[2:27:14]
and we'll get firm numbers for you next
[2:27:16]
month to see what the final number is.
[2:27:18]
So, the good part of it is is that
[2:27:21]
there's cash. Uh, we got bond premiums
[2:27:23]
in. So, there's cash in in the fund.
[2:27:26]
It's a matter of we're bumping against
[2:27:27]
the bond resolution number which will
[2:27:30]
need a probably a supplemental
[2:27:32]
appropriation next year's CIP as well as
[2:27:34]
modifying the bond resolution for
[2:27:36]
whatever we got to draw a line in the
[2:27:38]
sand and say okay we're done. I'm not
[2:27:40]
sure if we're anywhere near the HVAC is
[2:27:43]
I don't know where the u
[2:27:46]
>> no
[2:27:47]
>> they're waiting to get through the
[2:27:48]
summer is my understanding to see how
[2:27:50]
the air conditioning functions. So we as
[2:27:53]
soon as we get firm numbers we can throw
[2:27:55]
you know that's it final number what's
[2:27:57]
the project cost come back to you guys
[2:28:00]
modify the bond resolutions take the
[2:28:02]
money out of out of the cash
[2:28:04]
>> so so on a project like this you charge
[2:28:08]
the project interest when on the
[2:28:11]
short-term bands they don't get credit
[2:28:14]
for the money that you earn. Oh, yeah.
[2:28:16]
No, they do. I say there there's cash in
[2:28:17]
this pot. There's over a million dollars
[2:28:19]
of cash.
[2:28:21]
>> So then how can they be overbudget?
[2:28:23]
>> Because we've got bond premiums.
[2:28:31]
Standby.
[2:28:38]
[snorts]
[2:28:42]
Well, I would think if the if the budget
[2:28:45]
was a million and you spend a,100,
[2:28:49]
you know, a,100,000,
[2:28:51]
you're over budget.
[2:28:53]
>> Yeah, but that but in that million 100
[2:28:56]
is the interest they're charging you.
[2:28:58]
>> No, I I understand that. But the the
[2:29:00]
revenue you're going to generate from
[2:29:03]
interest, that's over and above your
[2:29:06]
budget. Right.
[2:29:07]
>> Right. But the bond resolution remember
[2:29:09]
does two things. It allows you to bond
[2:29:11]
the 10 point I get the number 162 I
[2:29:13]
think was the number at this point and
[2:29:15]
spend 162. So if you want to spend more
[2:29:19]
than 162 that bond that needs to be
[2:29:21]
changed a resolution to whatever again
[2:29:23]
we don't have a final number yet
[2:29:24]
>> right the 162 is the the the theud
[2:29:29]
>> so if we earn
[2:29:31]
>> a million dollars of bond premium the
[2:29:32]
million a million above the 162.
[2:29:37]
No.
[2:29:37]
>> Why?
[2:29:38]
>> Because you can't spend more than the
[2:29:40]
16.
[2:29:40]
>> No, no, no, no. What what what I'm
[2:29:42]
trying to get at is if the bond is if
[2:29:44]
the if the budget 162,
[2:29:47]
>> right,
[2:29:47]
>> and we build and we spend 172
[2:29:51]
>> Yeah.
[2:29:51]
>> we're a million dollars over budget.
[2:29:53]
>> Right.
[2:29:54]
So if we if we're 162 and we
[2:29:58]
spend
[2:30:00]
whatever but we have that other million
[2:30:03]
dollars, we're still over budget,
[2:30:06]
>> right?
[2:30:07]
>> You're over budget on the expense side
[2:30:09]
of the house but you have cash,
[2:30:11]
>> right? But you budgeted. My point is you
[2:30:15]
budgeted a number,
[2:30:16]
>> right? We you know if we have whatever
[2:30:18]
money we have in the kitty that that
[2:30:20]
that's
[2:30:20]
>> so what happens to that million dollar
[2:30:22]
cash that we have
[2:30:23]
>> that then will be used in subsequent
[2:30:25]
years as other funding in capital plans
[2:30:28]
to move forward like we do every year we
[2:30:30]
close out prior capital projects. So
[2:30:32]
it's so it is part of the capital
[2:30:34]
project if we're going to close out that
[2:30:37]
capital project and you have a million
[2:30:39]
dollars and you're going to put it to a
[2:30:40]
different one
[2:30:41]
>> right when the time comes whe whether
[2:30:42]
it's in time for 2728 budget I don't
[2:30:44]
know depends on how long things get
[2:30:46]
wrapped up same with the high school
[2:30:47]
>> well the high school takes a little
[2:30:49]
longer because of the state
[2:30:50]
>> again so the same logic will apply
[2:30:52]
though once we have everything firm
[2:30:54]
wrapped up and put to bed whatever the
[2:30:56]
money that's left in those two capital
[2:30:57]
projects will be rolled forward in
[2:30:59]
subsequent year CI
[2:31:00]
>> are we are we bonded on the high school
[2:31:02]
project
[2:31:03]
>> 100%.
[2:31:04]
>> So we're done bonding.
[2:31:05]
>> We're done bonding as of last August.
[2:31:07]
Both the final pieces were bonded.
[2:31:09]
>> Okay.
[2:31:10]
>> So now, like I said, we're in a a good
[2:31:11]
position. You know, the bond premium is a revenue source for us. It stays in
[2:31:16]
this fund. Uh and additionally, again,
[2:31:19]
there was interest that was earned while
[2:31:20]
the money was sitting there. Um
[2:31:23]
>> I just that's what I don't understand.
[2:31:25]
>> But the money is not just sitting there.
[2:31:27]
You're doing something with that.
[2:31:28]
>> It's invested.
[2:31:30]
Yeah. There's 22 215,000 of interest as
[2:31:33]
of last June. So between the million1
[2:31:36]
139 and the two change of interest,
[2:31:39]
there's going to be a chunk of money
[2:31:40]
there cashwise, not expense-wise,
[2:31:43]
>> right?
[2:31:43]
>> Unless you want to modify the bond
[2:31:45]
resolution. And we will need to do that
[2:31:47]
once we get every single cost finalized.
[2:31:50]
Is it 164? Is it 165? Is it 166? I don't
[2:31:53]
know until we get all the costs in.
[2:31:54]
>> Right. But but if we go over the
[2:31:56]
budgeted number, we're over budget
[2:31:58]
regardless. You're right. You're right.
[2:32:00]
Okay.
[2:32:01]
>> And I think the lot the problem the the
[2:32:03]
biggest culprit was the fact that we
[2:32:05]
didn't modify the budget for the
[2:32:08]
additional bonding.
[2:32:09]
>> We had you know the the sheet that was
[2:32:11]
done again showed 243. The motion we did
[2:32:15]
was 250. Give a little cushion. Well
[2:32:16]
again that was predicated on the
[2:32:18]
interest rate back then of one and a
[2:32:20]
half that they he predicated it on and
[2:32:22]
two bands and one bond. And we ended up
[2:32:24]
doing four bands. the money just kept
[2:32:25]
getting held out there, held out there, while these construction
[2:32:28]
delayed and everything else. There's
[2:32:31]
time value of money, you know. So that's
[2:32:35]
where we are.
[2:32:36]
>> Okay.
[2:32:37]
All right.
[2:32:40]
Next item, citizen statements and
[2:32:42]
petitions.
[2:32:47]
[clears throat]
[2:32:48]
Potter Northford. Uh, want to thank you.
[2:32:51]
I believe I tried to listen as best I
[2:32:53]
could. You did approve tractor poles two
[2:32:57]
a year funded with insurance, right?
[2:33:00]
>> Correct.
[2:33:01]
>> Okay. Cuz I'm working because I was the
[2:33:03]
original agricultural commission
[2:33:05]
chairman. I'm working with the present
[2:33:07]
group that's trying to start. We have a
[2:33:10]
guy as long as he's got insurance, he
[2:33:12]
will pick up where our other guy who for
[2:33:14]
health reasons won't run it anymore.
[2:33:17]
This guy just wanted to make sure he's
[2:33:19]
safe. You know, he wanted to be insured.
[2:33:22]
He's a great guy. He's picking right up.
[2:33:24]
The polls will be successful. The
[2:33:27]
agricultural commission that's present
[2:33:29]
now will be happy with a spring and fall
[2:33:31]
poll. And I believe I still got to get
[2:33:33]
to Carrie. I still have projected dates
[2:33:36]
for 2027.
[2:33:38]
>> I mean, you could do one in October if
[2:33:40]
you had
[2:33:41]
>> Yeah, one in October and and I think I
[2:33:43]
got a spring date.
[2:33:45]
>> Okay.
[2:33:45]
>> And that way that's because the
[2:33:47]
commission's very busy. The members
[2:33:49]
always were. That's why as a phone guy,
[2:33:52]
I became the chairman, the original one.
[2:33:54]
So these guys, they think it can work.
[2:33:57]
We got the guy in position and uh we can
[2:34:01]
go forward.
[2:34:03]
One, I thank you for that. One thing
[2:34:07]
that bothers me sitting back here,
[2:34:11]
Franny's not here.
[2:34:14]
I still call him a subject matter
[2:34:17]
expert. You're losing another subject
[2:34:19]
matter expert. Florio's leaving the the
[2:34:23]
uh town. You're going to feel that hit
[2:34:26]
you so hard
[2:34:28]
because what he had here isn't on paper
[2:34:32]
any worse. John and John Carrick, he got
[2:34:34]
up every morning. Remember he was
[2:34:36]
running around starting a school air
[2:34:37]
condition.
[2:34:38]
>> That's really the board of ed, not us.
[2:34:40]
>> Okay. [laughter]
[2:34:41]
Um,
[2:34:42]
when Franny asks for something, he's
[2:34:45]
done hours and hours and hours and hours
[2:34:48]
of research. When his guys, And now
[2:34:51]
Danny, when they're out plowing at 4:00
[2:34:55]
in the morning in a blizzard,
[2:34:57]
is that bargain basement truck you
[2:34:59]
bought going to break down? Are you
[2:35:02]
going to come out and help him get it
[2:35:04]
back to the garage? Are you going to run
[2:35:06]
for parts made by a different vendor to
[2:35:09]
fix that truck? Franny has established
[2:35:12]
what works.
[2:35:14]
I know you're looking at the budget, but
[2:35:17]
at the same time, look at the
[2:35:18]
experience. Look at the history. North
[2:35:21]
Brford's town roads are known and all of
[2:35:24]
them have got such big crowns. I don't
[2:35:26]
know how they don't fall off the off the
[2:35:28]
center of the roads. are and I live on a
[2:35:31]
state road so I don't get to enjoy this
[2:35:33]
as much as you guys on town roads. But
[2:35:35]
again, [clears throat]
[2:35:36]
they've established what works. Don't
[2:35:39]
mess with it. Find it. When you can get
[2:35:43]
30 plus years out of a truck and a plow
[2:35:45]
and nobody gets hurt and the roads are
[2:35:48]
plowed, I call that success.
[2:35:52]
Wiggling into that and trying to nickel
[2:35:55]
and dime it, I think you take away that
[2:35:58]
success. And you also take away his
[2:36:00]
integrity. Franny is known industrywide
[2:36:03]
for what he does and what he doesn't do.
[2:36:06]
He's established that there's a rapport.
[2:36:08]
When somebody answers the phone and
[2:36:10]
Fran's on the other end, they know he he
[2:36:13]
knows what he's talking about. So again,
[2:36:16]
I understand that you're worried about
[2:36:18]
the money, but at the same time, in the
[2:36:19]
middle of the night when these guys got
[2:36:21]
support, they've got it because they
[2:36:23]
bought a particular brand of truck
[2:36:24]
that's interchangeable. And I mean
[2:36:27]
again, we got good employees. When
[2:36:29]
Franny retires, there's going to be
[2:36:30]
another contact that's going to be hard
[2:36:32]
to replace. And that that's not the
[2:36:34]
board of ed headache. It's going to be
[2:36:36]
all Everybody in town's going to feel
[2:36:38]
it. There's I mean, and again, we're
[2:36:41]
lucky we've got such great employees
[2:36:43]
that stick with the town. I would, like
[2:36:45]
I keep telling you, I won't live
[2:36:46]
anywhere else because we've got skin in
[2:36:50]
the game. Everybody's got skin in the
[2:36:52]
game. We're proud to live in this town
[2:36:55]
because you guys do a good job and gals
[2:36:58]
got to be careful. Um, and we somehow
[2:37:02]
always land on our feet and at the end
[2:37:05]
of the year we still all like each
[2:37:06]
other. I'll leave it like that.
[2:37:08]
>> All right. Thank you.
[2:37:10]
>> Now I know my mailbox is in the middle
[2:37:12]
of my lawn where it go now.
[2:37:14]
>> Okay.
[2:37:15]
Well, you never find
[2:37:17]
>> that knows if my mailbox is in the
[2:37:20]
middle of
[2:37:22]
Hi, Chuck Lurkins, Clear Lake. I just
[2:37:26]
want to give you some information.
[2:37:28]
Uh, Councilman Rose, you asked who owns
[2:37:31]
the bottom of Cedar Lake. I live on
[2:37:34]
Clear Lake 51 years. I can tell you the
[2:37:37]
state owns the bottom of Clear Lake. I
[2:37:40]
suspect Cedar Lake is the same. The
[2:37:42]
deeds are on Clear Lake are you own to
[2:37:44]
the high water mark of the lake and
[2:37:46]
that's it. The bottom of the lake
[2:37:48]
belongs to the state. The water belongs
[2:37:50]
to the state.
[2:37:52]
So that that's what I know about the
[2:37:54]
water and and and I suspect Cedar
[2:37:57]
Lindley I thought I think they're all
[2:37:59]
going to be the same.
[2:37:59]
>> I think Anthony had found on the deed
[2:38:02]
who owns the
[2:38:03]
>> Yeah. The lake itself actually is is
[2:38:05]
just a null. There's no card for it.
[2:38:08]
>> Right.
[2:38:10]
>> Real estate agents that sell houses
[2:38:12]
around at least Clear Lake, they'll tell
[2:38:15]
you, "Oh, buy this house, you get deeded
[2:38:18]
lake rights." No, you don't. That's
[2:38:20]
[laughter] how they're not in it. You
[2:38:23]
don't get deed like rice at all. So,
[2:38:26]
it's a lot of uh rumors are out there
[2:38:29]
and just crazy statements, but I was
[2:38:33]
deep involved with the Clear Lake
[2:38:35]
Association and I can tell you that's
[2:38:38]
what I found is the state owns it.
[2:38:41]
>> Thanks.
[2:38:41]
>> All right.
[2:38:42]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[2:38:42]
>> Have a good night.
[2:38:43]
>> You too.
[2:38:45]
Any
[2:38:49]
other citizen statements?
[2:38:52]
Okay, we're ready to go into executive
[2:38:56]
session.
[2:38:56]
>> I'm going to uh ask, Madame Mayor, that
[2:38:59]
I move we enter executive session as set
[2:39:01]
forth in Connecticut General Statute
[2:39:03]
section 1-200 in bracket 6 to discuss
[2:39:08]
the appointment and employment of the
[2:39:09]
town manager to include the acting town
[2:39:11]
manager, the newly appointed town
[2:39:13]
manager, and the town attorney. Yes.
[2:39:18]
» Do you want do you want the newly
[2:39:19]
appointed town manager for this?
[2:39:21]
>> Yes.
[2:39:23]
>> Scott, do you want to run?
[2:39:25]
>> I'm good. [laughter]
[2:39:28]
>> Can we
[2:39:30]
call
[2:39:32]
it laughing?