[1:10] All

[1:23] right. Good afternoon everyone. We will call our meeting to order

[1:28] and a reminder to council to disclose any pecuniary interest or general nature

[1:32] thereof. And you can do that now or any time

[1:37] during the agenda.

[1:41] Approval of the agenda. Todd and Smokey. Any questions, comments on the agenda?

[1:48] Call a vote. All in favor? Close. Motion is carried. [snorts]

[1:54] Minutes of July 13th.

[1:58] Rob and a woman.

[2:04] Anything on the minutes?

[2:08] Call the vote. All in favor? Opposed? The motion is carried.

[2:14] Move right into delegations. Joe wrote forest safety and driveway

[2:22] concerns. Joe,

[2:27] is he online or >> no?

[2:34] Okay, we [clears throat] will go to item B.

[2:41] Chris Wilson, WSP, master plans for Topamorei and Lion's Head. And Chris is

[2:47] here. Welcome, Chris.

[3:31] the presentation and I'll just mention to change slides when uh we're done. So

[3:36] yes, uh I'm Chris from WSP. Um we are the engineering consultant

[3:43] involved with the master plans for to marine mines head working with the

[3:46] Ontario clean water agency and the municipality of northern Bruce

[3:49] Peninsula.

[3:53] So uh go to the first overall slide. So this is just a general overview of the

[3:58] project to date and and kind of the the history of uh starting point. So we

[4:04] started this project back in 2022. um there was some gaps in between just

[4:11] with um some first nation consultation and some

[4:15] other aspects. So project has obviously extended into a few years later than me

[4:20] but uh we're at the we're at the end right now. So um so yes we've developed

[4:25] master plans for water and wastewater for both communities of lines head

[4:29] looking into 2046 and beyond. important components of it are climate

[4:35] change review social and economic impacts as well as current limitations

[4:39] to growth in the two communities. So the master plan approach that we utilized

[4:43] was approach number one and again a lot of this all this information is

[4:47] documented in the master plans. Um so this was it's a very broad master

[4:51] planning approach. Um the projects are identified but we don't go into the

[4:57] schedule B schedule C details of the individual projects. they would have to

[5:02] be completed under future EAS. Next page, please.

[5:11] So again, this is just giving a kind of a overview of the morning water and

[5:16] wastewater alternatives. They're very similar for both. They're both um

[5:21] alternative one for water and wastewater is maintain existing level of service.

[5:25] So that would be the smaller water system in Tobini

[5:29] and the um the larger wastewater system obviously in town with existing other

[5:35] existing homes on septics or on well supplies.

[5:40] Two was expanding water servicing within the downtown core and general community

[5:44] area around for both water and waste water and through the master plan

[5:48] process those were developed to be the third solutions. very uh very similar

[5:54] layouts for both. Um we'll have some mapping later on in the presentation

[5:58] which can which can showcase the areas. Turn three, we don't have mapping in

[6:03] here on that but that was generally caring for the downtown core and

[6:08] community area but expanding further out into into the perimeter. So much more

[6:13] area, much more homes included um greater cost etc to to service those uh

[6:18] locations. Next page please.

[6:26] So water alternatives obviously we have a established water system in Lion's

[6:30] Head. So alternative one was maintain the existing level of service.

[6:34] Alternative two was expand to service new growth or existing uh inel lots

[6:39] within the community and provide sufficient um fireflow capacity.

[6:45] That that would became that came out to be the um referred solution through the

[6:49] master plan process. Alternative three again expands on

[6:53] alternative two. So it includes the same area but also expanding to Ferndale

[6:58] with Fireflow. And then alternative four is removing Ferndale

[7:04] still expanding in Lions Head but also going to ismas Bay and Barrow Bay with

[7:08] Fireflow as well. The wastewater alternatives, we

[7:13] basically have two alternatives. Maintain a existing level of service

[7:16] which is septic systems or alternative two is completion of a wastewater

[7:21] treatment plant, wastewater servicing within the downtown lines head.

[7:27] So alternative two through the process, you know, [clears throat] is a preferred

[7:30] solution. It is one of the larger solutions because there is an

[7:33] established wastewater um system in Lancet currently.

[7:39] Next page please. So this page is giving a kind of a

[7:44] project status to date. So we've completed a climate change memo for both

[7:48] communities. A design basis report for both

[7:51] communities evaluation matrices have been completed basically look at the

[7:56] criteria and um categories and how we process the to come to the recommended

[8:02] solutions for alternative I should say.

[8:06] uh additions um letters have been provided to those communities for the

[8:11] notice commencement the PIC and responses received similar for

[8:15] stakeholders agencies government agencies etc and the public

[8:20] um the notice of commencement was um provided on the municipal website and

[8:26] the PIC's as well and responses have been received

[8:30] public information center for each community was um completed last year in

[8:35] the summertime in both communities Signin sheets were received, comments

[8:39] were received um at the at the PIC's and also through emails and they've been

[8:45] documented in the a general format within the appendices within the master

[8:48] plans. So specific emails etc are not uh

[8:52] necessarily provided but the comments are are generalized to um carry forward

[8:56] the concerns and comments from the public.

[8:59] » [snorts] >> Number eight, draft master plan's gone

[9:01] through various revisions in the last um last year and uh we submitted the final

[9:06] draft um late last week. So those are available um for further comment by the

[9:11] municipality and Ontario Clean Water Agency um after this meeting.

[9:18] Next page, please. This one's hard to see, but it just

[9:22] gives a general process for the municipal environmental

[9:25] assessment/master plans. So basically we're in phase

[9:29] number two at the selection of the preferred solutions.

[9:33] So then a notice of master plan would be completed instead of a mass a notice of

[9:38] completion because it's not a EA per se from a schedule B or C perspective. So

[9:43] then once that's complete then the master plan would be finalized and put

[9:49] out for the review period for the public agencies etc. So all the agencies that

[9:54] were involved would be contacted provided access to the reports for

[9:58] comment period and same with the public they would be posted on the municipal

[10:02] website for review and comment as well

[10:11] please

[10:16] to the preferred water and wastewater solutions for total rain lines head

[10:20] we've looked at current and future growth considered up to the year 201

[10:25] and again of the infrastructure solutions that are discussed. A phased

[10:29] approach is obviously a very appropriate way to

[10:34] provide these expansions etc to reduce current impacts to reduce impacts to

[10:38] current water and wastewater services properties with existing wells and

[10:42] septics and the overall community in general.

[10:46] Page please. to move into the first solutions. So,

[10:51] we're showing you a map of Tomori that we've considered for this option DS

[10:57] DWS2. That's expand water servicing to the

[11:01] downtown CR community area. Um the map shows somewhat existing

[11:07] development and future development within the area with the red lines

[11:10] showing future and these were carried forward from

[11:13] » [clears throat] >> um discussions with municipality uh and

[11:16] developers to include in the in in the area. So this option would include a new

[11:21] centralized water treating plant with adequate water storage for fireflow

[11:26] capacity. Next page please.

[11:32] So again this this one um now we're looking at potential options within this

[11:39] and again these options are not finite. They could be expanded under the future

[11:43] EAS but we've generally provided two options for each um [clears throat]

[11:48] water and wastewater alternatives for both communities. So, first we're

[11:52] starting with token water option one, which we've looked at retrofitting the

[11:56] existing little tub water treating plant to basically a low lift pumping station

[12:00] and a [clears throat] new centralized water treating plant at a location

[12:04] within the community. So, basically the the existing water treatment plant would

[12:09] be converted to a pumping station which would then send water to a larger area

[12:14] for a waste water for a water treating plant.

[12:17] So, we've we've showcased on the map um two locations that we had looked at

[12:23] during the um application process. We went for funding a few years ago and

[12:28] they included a location at Brock and Legion. So, currently right now, those

[12:32] are the two locations that we've considered. There's obviously potential

[12:36] for other locations that would be investigated during the EAS.

[12:40] um whether you know property has to be purchased or other locations that have

[12:45] um higher elevations for support of a water tower etc. So under this option

[12:51] there could be potentially requirement to extend deepen or lengthen the the

[12:57] water intake depending on the capacity required.

[13:02] The water treatment water treatment land would we be looking at providing proper

[13:05] fire flow. There would be approximately 7 kilometers of new distribution water

[13:10] main more fire hydrants within that water main and obviously the

[13:14] disconnection of homes and put on water service from their from their personal

[13:18] wells. The new water tower would be

[13:21] approximately 2.5,000 cubic meters. And then obviously there would be

[13:26] decommissioning of existing wells involved which would that's not to

[13:30] happen until the system is in place and the phasing that's completed. So you

[13:35] know you want to have a working system before you disconnect the people and

[13:39] their wells. Option two is very very similar to

[13:44] option one. However, it would be basic decommissioning of the little water

[13:50] treatment plant and the construction of a little pumping station and new intake

[13:56] at a another location. Now, obviously, we don't know that location, but it

[14:00] would obviously have to be down down by the um harbor or in the in the area

[14:05] around it, but um I know we are limited by the existing bream plant location

[14:10] with sizing and space. So this is it's a very similar option to option one. It's

[14:17] just a new location for a low lift pumping station.

[14:20] So similar um locations for the water the water

[14:24] treatment plant could be at those two locations we discussed on Legion and

[14:28] B. But then there's potential for other areas as well.

[14:35] Next slide please.

[14:39] We looked at high level project costing and phasing and opinion of costing for

[14:43] the current year. So part A would be facilities under

[14:47] option one would be water treating plant work at the low

[14:51] life station to convert it to sorry work at the existing water treat plant to

[14:55] become a low life station the water tower etc. Um so and we've given an

[15:00] indication of approximately the timing would be to develop that by 2031 it

[15:05] would be a schedule CA and as [clears throat] a probable cost of

[15:09] approximately 41 million. Part B the water man would obviously um

[15:15] be constructed at a later time frame. We have included

[15:22] uh as realistic costing as we can at this point for rock. It can be a very

[15:27] large cost for installing new water man. There are abilities to create the

[15:33] trenches smaller and um group like infrastructure as well but you don't

[15:38] want to have water mane and sewer too close together. So there are some um

[15:43] separation requirements that the ministry of environment usually

[15:46] requires. So typically the water main um is covered under your your water um

[15:53] permits and things. So it generally is exempt from EAS but that would have to

[15:56] be investigated further just to make sure that schedule is correct.

[16:01] And the intakes part C would be intakes. So that would be tied to the facilities

[16:07] and that would require a schedule C EA as well

[16:12] for the water pump water option number two. very similar costs for the

[16:16] facilities. Obviously with the water main would be a similar area. The

[16:21] intakes would be more expensive because we're looking at a uh a development of a

[16:25] new station on another property and then a new intake would be required and to

[16:31] receive um water.

[16:43] Next, very similar mapping to the water showcase showcasing the same developed

[16:50] areas and and non-developed areas. And then obviously we're we're expanding out

[16:54] to show the existing waste water treatment land location in Forest Main

[16:57] further to the further to the south. So this one would include new waste water

[17:03] treating plant or upgrades to the existing weight water treating plant,

[17:07] potential new sanitary pumping stations and force mains and upgrades to the

[17:10] existing pumping station of force main.

[17:15] Next page please.

[17:20] Option one, very similar area to the water expansion of the existing

[17:26] waste water treatment plant with increased capacity, new and or updated

[17:30] sewage pumping stations and force mains. So again, we show the existing pump

[17:33] station on there showing a potential new pump station. It is not in any specific

[17:39] area. It's just showcased on the diagram. Um [clears throat]

[17:43] the location of that would depend on the best place for connecting in gravity

[17:48] sewers and the need. So that would be investigated under a future EA.

[17:53] Obviously the water the wastewater system is larger than the current water

[17:56] system. So the the amount of new gravity sewers is less about approximately 40 km

[18:00] or 4 km with new um sorry I shouldn't say fire. It should just say new

[18:05] manholes. Apologize for that. New sanitary service connections and then

[18:10] decommissioning of existing septic systems.

[18:14] Next page please.

[18:19] Option two is is very similar to option one

[18:22] though it would be decommissioning of the existing water treatment plant and

[18:26] construction of a new waish butter treating plant with increased capacity.

[18:31] So logically it would be best to probably have it in the vicinity of the

[18:35] existing system with land availability but it could but in the EA then in the

[18:41] future EA it could come out that it it um could be in another location and

[18:45] subsequent pump stations required as well.

[18:49] So again same similar approximate news gravity sewers same m numbering dan

[18:54] holes similar sanitary service collect connections and decommissioning of

[18:58] existing septic systems. Next page please.

[19:05] So this option facilities for upgrading the existing wastewater treatment plant.

[19:10] similar timelines. You know, you start to work on the um the treatment system

[19:16] first, which will require a schedule C EA for the waste water treatment plant

[19:20] and a schedule B EA for the pumping stations.

[19:25] Gravity sewer, similar area to the water, but with less

[19:29] costs because there's there's less gravity sewer to put in to connect um

[19:33] the existing homes. And then the force main will be

[19:37] basically looking at new force mains involved with the pumping stations or

[19:42] expansion and increase in size of the existing force main to the existing

[19:46] wastewater treatment plant. So with the development of pump stations and that

[19:50] you and forest man you'd have to have a schedule BA as well.

[19:55] Wire option two again is very similar to option one except it's a new facility.

[19:59] So the facility cost has increased to approximately 35 million.

[20:04] The gravity super reinforce main would be approximately the same assuming that

[20:08] it's very much in the sim same vicinity of the existing wastewater treatment

[20:12] plant.

[20:17] Next page please.

[20:21] I'll go to Lion's Head. So the preferred solution there was to expand water to

[20:25] service new growth in Lions Head and provide fire flow. And this would

[20:29] include upgrades to the existing water sheeting plant and adequate

[20:32] [clears throat] storage to provide for fire flow capacity.

[20:36] So again, this drawing is just kind of showing the existing water main layout,

[20:41] some um plan development areas as well as some of the um

[20:47] land types. Next page, please.

[20:54] So lines head water option one on the mapping you can see that we've

[21:00] expanded it to more street and included that within the boundary. I know it's

[21:05] not uh necessarily within what has typically been considered lines but uh

[21:10] we were we were asked to include that area and then do an analysis there. So

[21:14] we've included the homes up that stretch up the up the hill there.

[21:18] So with this system again as discussed we would be upgrading the current water

[21:21] treatment plant and low lift pumping with increased capacity including air

[21:24] flow. Uh in [clears throat] this option we've considered that the intake would

[21:28] likely be appropriate at the size it is. So we haven't included costing for

[21:33] increasing the size of the intake location etc.

[21:37] As the system in line is is established already, there would be quite a bit less

[21:42] um new distribution water main required approximately 2 km with similar um

[21:47] appropriate appropriate hydro fire hydrant locations, new water services

[21:52] and um a larger um as you can see there the water

[21:56] storage is is higher than to based on fire flow requirements for building

[22:01] types. So depending on the building types in the communities, it raises the

[22:05] the fireflow requirements. So, and the volume required to to fight fires.

[22:11] So, in this option, we'd be looking at potential water tower or water in ground

[22:15] water at the existing water treatment plant location on the same property.

[22:22] Next page, please.

[22:26] Option two, it's very similar to option one in in regards to upgrading the the

[22:30] water treat plant, but the new storage would be on a separate property. So in

[22:35] the diagram we've just indicated an area of town that is at a higher elevation.

[22:41] It's not a it's not a you know necessarily a location that would be the

[22:46] final location. It's just to give representation of a having a a water

[22:50] tower on a separate lot. So some advantages to having a water

[22:57] turn on a separate area is um you know it can increase hydraulic performance,

[23:00] reduce redundant pumping requirements. Um [groaning]

[23:04] [snorts] though it could be a little bit more

[23:07] expensive just because of land acquisition etc. But as always your your

[23:11] best option is just to try and find property where you can get the the best

[23:15] elevation to um the pressures you need etc.

[23:23] Please

[23:27] we've given some of costing and years required very similar to toi. So

[23:33] obviously the the facilities costing would be less since we have established

[23:37] system. The water main requirements would be less than totem and the

[23:42] upgrades for low pumping and intakes would be would be less cost as well. So

[23:48] very similar class E requirements and scheduling.

[23:54] Option two, very similar. Again, the facilities cost is a is a little bit

[23:59] higher just because of the um the water tower

[24:11] dedicated pumping to the water tower off site. So meaning it is not pumping

[24:15] through the distribution system to fill the tower. it has a dedicated line to

[24:19] the tower. So, we've just allowed a bit extra cough in there in case that is a a

[24:23] route that the EA's uh recommended future.

[24:30] Very similar for part C for intakes, assuming that we would not be actually

[24:37] increasing the size or location intake, just modifications to the existing

[24:42] facility.

[24:47] Next one preferred solution lion head wastewater.

[24:50] So the proposed solution came to look at providing a wastewater dedicated

[24:54] wastewater facility and servicing a lion's head

[24:58] including pump stations and forcements. Next slide please.

[25:06] So this option one's a new waste water treatment plant collection system

[25:10] pumping system etc for the community. The location of the pump station and

[25:15] waste water treatment plant. we've contained within the the boundary of the

[25:19] community. However, again, these are just reference locations to provide

[25:23] substantiation to produce costing estimates and they're, you know, the

[25:28] best locations, etc. And studies will come out in future EAS. [gasps]

[25:35] So approximately 8 km of new gravity sewer to service the community and the

[25:41] surface zone that we've indicated new and sanitary service connections and

[25:45] decommissioning the existing septic systems.

[25:52] Next page piece.

[25:56] So mindset option two is very similar to one except we've showcased a potential

[26:01] wastewater treatment plant outside the community with a larger force man

[26:06] and this option is more aligned with demand growth meaning that you would

[26:13] start smaller with the pump station with the

[26:17] wastewater treatment plant and build up more as time goes on instead of spending

[26:22] more money up front for a larger system. Um [clears throat]

[26:27] have some more notes here. Just a second. So yeah, it it involves more of

[26:31] a phased approach. Even though they're all a phased approach, this is a very

[26:34] this is a much more um substantiated phased approach. Um less land may be

[26:40] required at the beginning just to service in the phasing.

[26:45] Additional phases would be you would upgrade the plant basically as you add

[26:49] more onto the the community up to up to the final 20 year. Um, one thing as well

[26:56] is it it considers more of a a lagoon type system very similar to to where

[27:01] option one closer to the community, closer to the lake hiron. Um, we've

[27:07] allowed for more cost in there for a mechanical plant. Um,

[27:10] [snorts and clears throat] just due to the proximity etc. So

[27:14] there's, as you'll see in the next page, the costing is higher for the facilities

[27:18] for option one. Next page, please.

[27:27] So again, there's a there's a very large facilities cost to develop under option

[27:31] one with EAS involved, etc. The gravity sewer is obviously higher than than

[27:36] [clears throat] the water main because we're we're basically on a a brand new

[27:39] system. And then the force main is uh in town, so it's less cost than option two.

[27:48] water option too. As I said with facility cost would be less money at

[27:52] first because you're developing [laughter] at a um

[27:57] a small area to start. You're not I'm not we're not considering a mechanical

[28:00] plant for that option. Um but however there is a larger force man component if

[28:05] you wanted to extend it outside of the community very much like to

[28:14] um if you go to the EA uh sorry the master plans we've provided there's

[28:18] there's more detailed review on the costing in there as well in in the

[28:22] appendices. So I tried to to keep this as straightforward as possible but if

[28:26] you have questions etc there there is more details in the uh the master plans.

[28:33] Next page please.

[28:38] So next steps would be address remaining comments from municipal staff council

[28:41] and aqua make any adjustments edits etc to the draft master plans. We would then

[28:48] issue the final public notice called the notice of master plan for each master

[28:52] plan completion. It would be circulated to the local indigenous communities

[28:56] stakeholders um agencies [clears throat] via email.

[29:00] It should be posted in the local newspapers and on the project website as

[29:03] well. Um [clears throat]

[29:07] there is an opportunity to update the frequently asked questions component of

[29:11] the admissible website where we can take some of the comments we've received and

[29:16] provide other responses within that specifically just to give the the public

[29:21] uh you know address any more concerns they have.

[29:27] Item three then the master plans would be posted for public comment on the

[29:30] municipal project website. So the physical final documents would be

[29:33] available for public review and then you could you would probably have a printed

[29:37] out copy here as well for people to review in office here.

[29:42] Once that um review period ends and um you know if there's major

[29:47] concerns we we have to uh you know people can put in the comments but

[29:53] basically once that's done we finalize the master plans and then the final

[29:58] council approval of the master plans would would occur after that.

[30:03] Um so again

[30:07] the cost is um substantial as you can see for for any option. Um

[30:13] [clears throat] you know the the master plans do give a

[30:17] a bit of a detailed phased approach to to completion of the work generally in

[30:22] the near term which would be completing the EAS identifying the preferred

[30:26] solution uh more advanced including treatment

[30:29] recommendations etc. You would look at property property acquisitions as

[30:33] required. Um [snorts and clears throat] you would initiate the start of the

[30:37] buildout of the plants and the infrastructure to service homes.

[30:42] And then you get into the midterm where you know the facilities you look at

[30:47] again seeing as facilities need expansion you expand to further out into

[30:54] communities and then by the time you get to the end of the the period then you're

[30:58] you've developed your full full system. So um obviously recommendations is the

[31:03] master plan's a living document too. It's not something you just sit you know

[31:08] you you review it you you know there's suggestions in the closure section of

[31:12] the master plans you know to to monitor your growth in the community and

[31:16] developments and and adjust as required um to meet the community needs. Um

[31:25] for for funding of course you know the recommendation would be to look for

[31:29] grants and funding opportunities that the government's put out federal

[31:34] provincial uh to help support it and um as we've learned from the last one uh we

[31:41] submitted like having shovel ready um properties definitely helps with grant

[31:46] funding. So um and having all your ducks in order like having your EAS done etc

[31:52] [clears throat] really helps to get the funding and and have more success rate.

[31:56] So um there's any other questions I will

[32:01] hand it over. Thank you very much. Thank you Chris. one you know

[32:09] questions. Um just on the one I guess you you talk

[32:15] about grants and of course we we do too. What do you see coming through mainly

[32:23] for percentages in in grants?

[32:29] I'm not familiar with too many at the moment, but uh generally I think the

[32:34] last one we tried was 33% funding roughly

[32:40] funding. >> Yeah. Up to a certain value and then you

[32:43] have time restrictions and biggest things are well the cost is obviously a

[32:47] very big concern but >> restrictions on getting the work done as

[32:51] well. Right. I think >> the last one we went after, you know, we

[32:54] had about 2 years to have the infrastructure built. So those are those

[32:59] are things you have to be mindful of >> and

[33:03] the detailed master plans are quite extensive

[33:08] and and there's around 600 pages involved and maybe it's embedded

[33:12] somewhere in that report but >> majority there's a lot of appendices. So

[33:18] yes, there's copies of emails that takes up probably half half of the report.

[33:22] Okay. Climate change memos in there, which is many pages. So main body of the

[33:26] report is probably 60 pages of all that. It's just all the attachments and

[33:30] background. >> I'm wondering, do you look at the

[33:34] connections that we have, the hookups we have, and associate a cost with a

[33:38] hookup? Like is that in there? >> The cost of um individual services to

[33:44] property lines is included in the cost. So when we get say

[33:51] $60 million bigger and you get a 30% grant, so it's still 40 million.

[33:56] » Yes. >> And so we But so with you, we mean we're

[34:00] looking at our hookups are like when the tree in line said maybe in water 350,

[34:06] maybe 325 350. >> And so you charge

[34:10] » Sorry. >> Sorry. What was the 350? Sorry. the the

[34:12] number of present hookups that we have in lights

[34:16] » and [clears throat] I'm just wondering just based on even the the expanded

[34:21] growth [clears throat] and include that in the

[34:25] number of hookups what would we be looking at per hookup

[34:31] it could just to give us some idea say we do get a like a 30% grant 33% grant

[34:38] is is that in there or so I think general Generally we included um between

[34:44] 5 to 6,000 for the physical pipe installation from say the water man to

[34:48] the crocket line um but there are costs with rock removal etc.

[34:54] So we've elevated that cost to almost double basically to account for rock

[35:00] removal and other things and we assumed a trench width right to try and reduce

[35:06] the cost to because of rock because typically you would if you um

[35:12] add it in you'd have wider area you'd slope down and then you'd have your

[35:15] water man in a kind of a box where we've looked at more of a a vertical

[35:19] installation to reduce costs. So we don't have we don't have um

[35:24] obviously etc through the committee. That's that's

[35:27] a an endeavor in itself. So we've assumed higher higher risk and higher

[35:33] more conservative costs just to show you that it is [clears throat] a a large

[35:38] endeavor. So there are more details in in the um master plans but if you if you

[35:45] feel you need more breakdowns we can provide that information as well.

[35:49] » Yeah. Yeah. Good. Thank you. Uh what

[35:56] you just so we're um you're talking having your ducks in a row.

[36:03] If we had property, you're suggesting that it'd be a good idea to have EAS

[36:07] done on those sort of in preparation or or

[36:12] um I'm thinking particularly at Gilmore where we do have some properties. Would

[36:17] it be beneficial to do sort of preemptive EAS or Well, you you'd have

[36:22] to do the EAS. Yes. Um you can you don't have to do a separate EA for each

[36:27] property. You can combine it into an overall sale water EA looking at various

[36:32] properties, land acquisition as needed, and then the best routting for systems,

[36:36] the best treatment types, etc. intake location. So, it's all it's all under

[36:41] one project. um you don't have to separate it per site

[36:45] but you know but there are studies that are required [clears throat] in that um

[36:50] you could do your your bore hole investigations you could do um

[36:55] you know the cost analysis depending on where the best place to put the water

[36:58] tower is you know so there's um there's lots of studies that go into the EA

[37:05] they're quite detailed so

[37:09] so you could spend a lot of money I think get to and not be able to afford

[37:15] the capital project I guess is it would risk anybody go into more detail on

[37:19] phasing and how to establish it over time um recommendations

[37:25] um [clears throat] you know you don't have to necessarily

[37:29] do exactly everything in the master plan the will go into them more detail and

[37:33] and and sus out the best the best solution.

[37:37] I know master plans are kind of a support you and your expansion of the

[37:42] systems in the future and it's a broad perspective but you have to get into the

[37:46] more detailed EAS to to come up with your your your best solution um for

[37:53] treatment cost everything supporting the community constructibility

[37:57] so that's >> well I was just thinking it doesn't seem

[38:02] like that long ago when we did the expansion to the Lion's Head water

[38:06] treatment plant and we were telling everybody this is going to be it for

[38:14] because yeah it was quite a quite a blow but I I got to ask a couple of questions

[38:19] about these maps just so I I mean there's lots here I don't understand

[38:23] even though I'm old um the one on Okay, so we take a look at the master plan for

[38:31] my u and I mean obviously the key to any of this is trying to predict or

[38:37] predicting or looking at where development is going to go in these

[38:42] communities. So if we take a look at page eight

[38:47] um preferred alternative expand water

[38:51] servicing to downtown and community area uh area I mean um to my at this point

[38:58] does not have water. Um, in this map we have uh the red slashes

[39:06] are future development. Now I'm wondering where where that I want where

[39:14] that comes from where that information is that people that have already put in

[39:18] applications or uh because of our planning documents or exactly where

[39:24] those red lines come from. >> Yes. So, so yes, the that information

[39:30] came through dealing with planning with municipality. So, there are

[39:34] » so with that, so our municipal staff pretty much told you where that that

[39:40] would be >> and and there's more detailed versions

[39:42] of these as well. Um I kind of showcase um breakdowns within those areas. So

[39:50] those have so for example the wedge shaped one on the top left it is

[39:56] um there's more breakdown information within that and same with the large

[39:59] square area on the bottom right >> so it does not necessarily have anything

[40:03] like to do with our I guess it does have to do with our planning documents but

[40:08] that information was given to you by our staff.

[40:11] » Yes. And then when we went after the there was quite a bit more details when

[40:15] we went after the last funding the Hughes application a couple years ago

[40:21] um where we even showcased the kind of the order that they would be developed

[40:25] in. So the >> so if I wanted to know the pro you know

[40:27] the rationale or whatever then it's either in the index or the municipal

[40:32] staff reports. Okay. Uh so then uh same thing when we switch to the master plan

[40:39] for Lion's Head on page 16 uh the dark areas that are planned

[40:45] development. So what is the dis difference between future development

[40:52] that I guess and plan development because there's quite a lot of areas

[40:56] here in the gray uh that in the small uh hashtags plan

[41:02] development. So where did where did that information come from? Uh again

[41:09] » similar this the mapping and the color coding

[41:13] etc was from documents provided by the municipality. So

[41:20] as accurate as we understand it it is but uh

[41:25] there is the opportunity to review it in more detail as needed.

[41:29] » Okay. because uh yeah, I I understand we're very preliminary here. These we'll

[41:35] certainly have some feedback from from some of this for sure. Okay, thank you.

[41:48] » So,

[41:53] I know the bottom or this and I'm just looking at lion's head which is not the

[41:58] same. I know that the town area and the urban area proposed for Totore is large,

[42:04] very large, but not so much so in Lion's Head. And

[42:10] that sort of lays out to me the boundaries of Lion. That's the town

[42:17] boundaries of Lion's Head. And [clears throat] so that

[42:22] that section of his properties within the

[42:25] » Yes. >> within the town. and and um and a mid

[42:29] master plan we we did add in the more street area as well. Um

[42:34] » yeah, >> discussion with the miss. So it it's

[42:37] expanded quite a bit out to the the east there along the shore and

[42:45] from my own benefit. So out big tub road and maybe

[42:52] more people more you can tell me but there there is something in that out

[42:56] behind there on big tub road like there are like

[43:00] » there are lots >> there are lots in there so that

[43:05] yeah and [clears throat] I guess

[43:10] on the other side here there has been some interest shown in

[43:14] in development there so and I'm looking east of Highway 6.

[43:23] » These diagrams don't necessarily show all the individual property lots per se.

[43:27] It uh I mean we could we could provide that

[43:31] level of detail as needed if you want to see that in the master plan but uh

[43:37] we went into much more detail with Mory since we were going after the funding.

[43:40] So we were very very specific. So uh Chris just on the separate you

[43:46] talked about separation distance. I wonder what is that separation distance

[43:51] » for a water sewer? >> Um well obviously when services into

[43:55] homes you have to have you typically want them separated for water and sewer.

[43:59] And the same thing when you're building say a treated water main and a gravity

[44:04] sewer. The ministry usually has a separation of 2.5 horizontal meters.

[44:10] um just help and then just helps with potential contamination. So if your

[44:14] water man goes below 20 PSI and say your gravity sewers here, you could have some

[44:20] potential contamination entering water main. So they're just trying to protect

[44:24] that with rock installation. You know, that's a rock remove, I should say.

[44:28] That's a lot of money to to have a trench that large. So there is so there

[44:33] is some potential to request confirmation from the the ministry to

[44:38] I've had to do another job as well where we were able to shrink that distance as

[44:42] long as um

[44:45] you know your water man's higher than your sewer. So we had to had to maintain

[44:50] that. So instead of vice versa you know if you had your sewer higher then

[44:55] leakage from a sewer could come down into the water man. So opportunities to

[45:00] to um get them closer. You just have to careful and and design them correctly.

[45:07] » No, just told Andy the rock they got the situation there. So it

[45:15] you basically need trenches, I guess. >> I know some with other water man

[45:20] replacement jobs are in rock. We try and um if we can install a new water man in

[45:26] the same location. So you put up a temporary system above ground, remove

[45:30] the water man and reinstall the new water man at a larger size within that

[45:34] same existing trench assuming it was installed properly originally.

[45:39] » The other thing too, you talk about upgrades to the water treatment plant in

[45:43] Lion's head. >> So that water treatment plant is not

[45:47] operating at near capacity. So what would the upgrades be to the

[45:53] system? Uh >> what would be

[45:57] main things would be fireflow. >> Okay.

[46:00] » Um [clears throat] so you'd have to have larger pumps.

[46:03] » Okay. Um you know you potentially need a larger space to in um generally it would

[46:12] be just from a capacity perspective as well. You may need more room to upgrade

[46:17] the equipment as time goes by. And I do realize yes, it's it's um not operating

[46:22] at full capacity, but master plan kind of goes through

[46:27] the range of timelines for when you'd have to look at expanding. So could

[46:32] potentially connect some things on at first, but then you'd have to upgrade

[46:39] eventually if you want to keep anyway. So yeah.

[46:43] » All right. Thank you. Um, other questions?

[46:51] » Yeah, how about read through the master plans if I know they just got them

[46:54] recently, but um more in depth look at those. Don't be

[47:00] overwhelmed. The the main there's 300 400 pages of appendices. So, the main

[47:04] body is probably 50 to 60 pages. >> We can get through that. So,

[47:09] » and uh field your questions to to Peggy as well. And then we can if you have any

[47:13] concerns we can we can look up them. >> Well on behalf of council and staff uh

[47:19] thank you very much for your presentation.

[47:22] You may hear more from us if not. [laughter]

[47:37] All right, we have one other delegation. Joe Roach.

[47:43] » Joe. Yeah, >> right. Right there, Joe. Yeah.

[47:56] » Was that mic on, Joe? Is a red Did you turn it off, Chris? Yeah. Just press the

[48:02] uh silver button there, Joe.

[48:08] You're in business. Business. Okay. Um, my name's Joe Roach. I was born in

[48:14] Peterbor, Ontario. Uh, and I had a successful

[48:22] uh career as a construction superintendent

[48:26] building high-rise projects downtown Toronto. I built my lakefront home here

[48:32] in uh Little Pike Bay Estates in 1992. And uh I just want to give you a little

[48:40] history of uh of what happened there. And uh I call it the Big Con.

[48:47] Uh it was the last frontier for Lakefront. Um

[48:53] um they were offering 2 acres lots of damaged land uh ravaged by winds.

[48:59] Infestation of the balsam tree choking the native trees causing underbrush and

[49:05] dangerous forest conditions for the last 125 years.

[49:10] Um these are low elevation lots and uh they had to they had to get them sold.

[49:18] Um they were offering these lots back in 1985 for approximately $35 to $40,000.

[49:26] They flocked from Kitchener and G and List.

[49:30] Um the municipality of North Bruce were not proactive in solving problems of

[49:36] bylaw. So you are the target. Um they off they they said that the

[49:43] cottages just had to be 50 feet back instead of 100 to 300 ft depending upon

[49:51] lot elevation. I don't understand this 50 ft uh should be feet above sea level

[49:58] and it should be a meter at least to the underside of footing. They are also

[50:04] doing stone underneath the footings. It's not cold. It must be engineered. Uh

[50:10] I I I I made my first uh myself known in 1992 when I came up and uh had a foot

[50:18] and a half of stone all nicely spread looking really nice. And I

[50:22] [clears throat] made the uh the excavator take it all out. My footings

[50:27] went on top of rock, not stone. Stone water don't mix. Uh too much up and

[50:33] down. No way. Um

[50:39] all the boulevards were left in poor shape, stumps, trees, rocks, etc.

[50:44] There's absolutely no direction in lakefront problems. High wind, high

[50:48] water does not include waves and sees. Uh how about waves throwing rocks?

[50:58] For God's sakes, leave your trees at the front. It's the first line of defense

[51:02] against wind or snow. These are things that should be, you know, discussed with

[51:07] the people coming up here that don't know anything that actually they think

[51:11] they know everything, but they don't. And uh what about the cleanup?

[51:16] Absolutely nothing. Um okay. Uh you know quite simply put

[51:23] the force in and little pike bay estates and Hobson Harbor these are the two

[51:27] areas where I have uh properties don't meet the safety standards set by the

[51:33] Ontario >> [clears throat]

[51:34] » uh the province of Ontario they are infested by dead trees under bluffs that

[51:41] is that is dangerous to the public first responders and emergency personnel. It's

[51:48] so thick you can't get to or see. It'll burn so hot you can't part it out. Um,

[51:55] what about insects and rodents? These are the the only thing that looks nice

[52:01] is the driveway and the place where you have your your your home. The rest of

[52:06] the property is ignored. So, I mean, like it's uh I've been there for over 30

[52:13] years or 35 and uh nobody operates a chainsaw. Nobody cleans up. Um the the

[52:22] only person I've seen that was your father and he got that from me.

[52:30] And of course, Stan cleaned up and the judge cleaned up and that's it. the

[52:35] Bradley, they uh did a half to ask job, too. But anyway, um

[52:42] okay, where are we here? Uh there's no physical due diligence

[52:48] from North Bruce. Why is nobody addressing these problems? I mean, like,

[52:54] uh you got two problems. You have a problem with the safety and you also got

[52:59] a problem with fire. Now, I guarantee you that

[53:04] that don't look like that picture there, Haw Road and Hobson Harbor. There's no

[53:10] way. It's uh I I just cringe every time I see the the the underbrush. It's just

[53:17] makes me ill. Um okay, here's what [clears throat] happened. Okay, bylaw

[53:23] refused to meet and this isn't the first time I got the Department of Labor

[53:28] involved. Then I got some attention. bylaw was to bring the fire chief and we

[53:32] had a meeting right on my front porch unannounced. It was lucky I was home,

[53:38] but I guess he shook him a bit. Items discussed. We discussed a fire line. I

[53:43] mean, uh, it's possible. I think it's worth discussing. Um, absolutely

[53:50] no due diligence at all. There's some paperwork and stuff saying we're going

[53:55] to do that and you should do that, but nothing physical. I mean, if a fire

[54:00] broke out, uh there's going to be a lot of questions asked here. And we got our

[54:05] pants down. There's um there's no way. Uh you guys forecast severe wildfires.

[54:12] Wow. I can guarantee you we're not cut out for that. Um I'm not talking too

[54:19] loud, am I? >> You're okay.

[54:21] » You're okay, Lord. Um >> Okay, good. Um,

[54:27] access for emergency personnel and first responders through properties. That's a

[54:32] must. I mean, people live there. It's full of cottages, blood, all kinds of

[54:38] stuff. Yeah. The the fire personnel has to get through and so do first

[54:43] responders. Um, people need to be shocked.

[54:49] The attitude of the land owners is uh an attitude of ungrateful and indifferent.

[54:56] You get this is our land and we can do what we want. Uh you can't make me.

[55:03] These are the obstacles we have. I don't know. Uh I in a construction project

[55:09] when I things didn't go my way safety. I shut her down. The crane stopped moving.

[55:15] I shut the power off. hauled in Department of Labor. Let's solve the

[55:20] damn problem. Hell, if I if an accident falls in one

[55:25] of my job sites, man, they're going to hang me.

[55:29] Anyway, uh red tag properties. These are also discussed. Um

[55:39] by law actually said that we wouldn't be the first uh to be looked after. So that

[55:45] led me to believe that our community is not the only one that has a problem.

[55:51] Frankly, I'm having trouble with the careless handling of this issue and the

[55:56] way it's been handled.

[56:01] Whoops. Sorry. Um

[56:06] to

[56:13] lost a piece of paper. Okay. Bang. Bang. Okay. Um,

[56:20] here's what I suggest. All V, all the boulevards in our be cut back. All the

[56:26] trees removed. Cut back to the actual property line. You take a measurement

[56:30] from the center line and measure. You don't need to be exact. Who cares?

[56:35] They're not going to care. But that's got to be cleaned out. I mean, you have

[56:38] to show due diligence, right? We need safe access between the homes. You don't

[56:43] have to uh they have all this underbrush because uh they don't want to put a

[56:47] fence or it's for privacy. No, you can't. They have personnel going through

[56:52] falling trees, dead trees, underbrush. That's just wrong. Um it's just been

[56:59] poor leadership from the township on the uh all these issues and the possible

[57:05] fire line cut uh the borders neighborhoods. I don't know what else to

[57:11] do on on this thing. I I don't know. How about

[57:18] just being as this is a safety issue and it's nothing is been handled. I'm

[57:23] surprised that you don't have any cleanup in this at all. This is claiming

[57:30] action together and just absolutely no clean up. There's no

[57:36] no pressure put on the homeowner to either [ __ ] or get off the pot.

[57:43] I don't know. What do I have to do? Call for the resignation of the CEO and the

[57:48] bylaw officer? I I think they're floating. Well, how do you give us a

[57:53] chance to let them respond to council, Joe? So that we like we need to we need

[57:59] to see what is what >> Yeah. Okay, fine. I'm being a little

[58:02] harsh, I guess, but uh >> well well maybe not. Who knows? But we

[58:08] um we just need to see what what kind of answers you're getting.

[58:13] » What do you mean answers? >> Well, you you're suggesting there's a

[58:16] whole lot there's quite a bit of stuff go wrong in in your presentation here.

[58:20] » Yes. So, I I'm just suggesting that we the council or the staff inform counsel

[58:28] uh responding to your concerns to see if we agree with what they're what they're

[58:33] telling us and you and so you want to take this further. Is that what you're

[58:38] suggesting? >> I I I'm suggesting we want to see what's

[58:42] going on. We want to we want a report to outline our response [clears throat]

[58:47] to your your questions. >> Okay, fine. So, who's going to do a

[58:50] report? >> Uh, well, you're you bylaw is number

[58:54] one. You're you're suggesting bylaw. >> Of course, there's nothing happening.

[58:59] » Fire. We'll have our fire department. Uh,

[59:02] » absolutely. They're they're not uh well equipped enough. I I know.

[59:06] » Okay. >> Like, you know, I when I hear words like

[59:11] severe wildfires, >> Yeah.

[59:14] » that kind of bothers me. >> We don't want them.

[59:17] » No way. Y >> and we have to be ready and we're not.

[59:22] These forests drawing these communities a mess.

[59:25] » Yeah. >> Give us a chance to respond, Joe.

[59:29] » Yeah. Okay, fine. And we'll see where we go from there.

[59:32] » Okay. Item number two. >> Uh yep. Uh yeah, go ahead. Uh you have

[59:38] » I was just going to ask are these all private properties?

[59:42] » Yes. >> Okay. Uh well,

[59:46] » yeah, they're all private properties, but I mean uh they're all like um

[59:53] in this little pipe states, there's a lot of empty lots or developers,

[59:59] you know, uh and the land in behind is a a forest that's unmanaged.

[1:00:05] Because I we have to kind of look at the bigger picture too because we well we

[1:00:11] have huge tracks of conservation lands and federal lands that we really don't

[1:00:20] have any control over and they have different measures as far as how uh some

[1:00:29] I personally have been wary of the fire issue too with the amount of

[1:00:36] conservation and federal lands where a tree falls down, it just stays there.

[1:00:42] So, uh, but what we'll need to know like what's the difference between federal

[1:00:50] and private lands as far as cleanup to me because even though I've been

[1:00:56] [clears throat] pounding a little bit about fire like

[1:01:01] national parks, huge tracks of conservation lands that aren't managed

[1:01:06] for for fire uh and getting nowhere. just so what the difference is with with

[1:01:12] private lands. So I I was just curious if these were all private lands. So I'll

[1:01:18] quit talking, let you get on to number also too like in my area like it's not

[1:01:24] the streets. It's all dead popular. Th these are widow makers on private land

[1:01:30] and if if there was a fire about uh in a 2acre property, you won't be able to see

[1:01:35] it, but you have to go in there and these trees will fall right on you or

[1:01:39] you can't even get to it. Okay. Uh um I don't know. You obviously you have to

[1:01:46] get lawyers involved or maybe uh you have to make them do it or uh or they

[1:01:52] have to hire someone. I I it's going to cost him a lot of money, I would think.

[1:01:57] And um but I don't know. I did it. Uh I do a little bit at a time and I know

[1:02:03] your dad did it and uh that's the way all the lot should look and uh it's it's

[1:02:09] an issue now because of climate change and uh uh all we need is a is a little

[1:02:15] drought and it could be next month or sometime in September or next year, but

[1:02:21] we're going to get it. And uh uh all it takes is a lightning strike south of me

[1:02:26] along the edge and there goes my house because it's just a mess of trees in

[1:02:32] between the properties you can't get to I

[1:02:37] » Okay, that good enough. >> That's good enough, too. Yeah, that's

[1:02:41] that number two.

[1:02:44] » Sure. >> All right. Okay. Uh and this new guy

[1:02:48] moved in next door to me, just north of me. And uh Joe, what is the what is item

[1:02:53] number two? Just to >> Well, it's just that just he put the

[1:02:56] wrong uh the roadway in the wrong side. It's on the wrong side of the lot.

[1:03:01] » Oh, okay. >> I I don't know how you can prove prove a

[1:03:05] a roadway without seeing a park. >> Okay. He got a nice little uh wind

[1:03:12] tunnel. That's just unbelievable. He's opened up 80 ft in the front. 80 ft. He

[1:03:17] put his driveway on the wrong side. So, you got a nice nice wind tunnel there.

[1:03:22] He uh he moves his house over 25 ft. Angles it. So, I got a nice funnel

[1:03:27] coming in. He's got a 12ft drift uh coming up right on our border. He's

[1:03:32] knocking my trees over. He's already lost a lot of trees. He doesn't care.

[1:03:37] He's a developer. He's got his house perfectly on one side. All his services,

[1:03:43] water, everything is over here. This side, he wants to sever and build

[1:03:48] another house. someday. That's his plan. >> Okay. So, you want us to have a look at

[1:03:53] that driveway? >> I want you to please look at that

[1:03:55] driveway and find out. I mean, this plot plan is a secret thing. You can't get to

[1:04:01] it unless you hire a lawyer. So, look at the plot plan. I'd be interested to know

[1:04:06] where he put the wall. Yeah. On that plot plan because it's

[1:04:11] over there stacked right behind the the septic. Now, I bet you it's a dollar to

[1:04:16] a donut. It's not 50 or 60 ft away, but that's fine. Whatever. Maybe it is. I

[1:04:22] didn't measure it. But, uh, he wants to put another building there someday. I

[1:04:26] know it. All right. Okay. I want a fence. I want him to lay out the

[1:04:31] property. Uh, property line. I need a fence. Uh, uh. Um, there's one other

[1:04:37] issue he's got to do. He's got to

[1:04:42] » Well, that's enough for now, Mayor. I'll hear

[1:04:44] » that'll keep us busy. >> Is [clears throat] that okay? Yeah.

[1:04:47] » Are you all right? >> That's You did fine.

[1:04:50] » Yeah. Thanks. >> Yeah.

[1:04:53] » Um Okay. Um when will I find out some kind of progress on this or

[1:04:58] » uh I'll just look to our CEO here and give us an idea of a timeline.

[1:05:05] » So, as per council direction, we will report back at the next council meeting.

[1:05:10] » At that point, once council's received it, we will send you a copy of that

[1:05:14] report. >> Okay. Super. So, it would be a good idea

[1:05:16] to come next council me. >> Uh,

[1:05:20] we will get the report. >> Yeah.

[1:05:22] » And if you you can look at the report. Uh, you would have to make another

[1:05:27] delegation to council. Did you you contacted the clerk? Right.

[1:05:32] » I did. >> Good. And if you [clears throat] you're

[1:05:36] best to look at the report and see what you think.

[1:05:38] » So, then you when will I get the report? Uh the report will is it August 13th our

[1:05:45] next council? >> August 10th is our next council meeting.

[1:05:50] » Okay. So I'll have it by then. Right. >> So you'll uh that it'll come out on the

[1:05:55] Thursday before August the 10th. So whatever date that is that would be

[1:05:59] » to pick it up. Then I'll save the mail. You can call me.

[1:06:03] » Uh would you call me let me know and I'll come and get it.

[1:06:07] » Okay. Okay. I just want to stress that uh when you get the Department of Labor

[1:06:12] involved uh I don't know uh due to due diligence

[1:06:17] is really handy. >> Okay.

[1:06:19] » Really handy. Okay. Thanks guys. Nice show.

[1:06:29] All right.

[1:06:37] Go on to our agenda.

[1:06:48] Well, considerations of a jog items and uh first of all is the CIO reports.

[1:06:56] is that council direct staff to submit an application to Bruce Power through

[1:07:00] the regional municipal readiness assessment fund for the following

[1:07:03] studies. 12 water treatment expansion review and the municipalities parks and

[1:07:10] recreation master plan review

[1:07:15] second that Smokey Todd.

[1:07:20] So just a question and and so what do we get beyond

[1:07:26] I I in [clears throat] your report outlines it but beyond what we already

[1:07:30] know Peggy with the with the uh so the presentation we had here today the

[1:07:36] information that's in that report uh what do we get that's

[1:07:41] above and beyond that. So this essentially is the next step on

[1:07:47] sighting for a treatment center within toll my as Chris has stated is that uh

[1:07:54] the next step is to do a sighting to ensure that you know uh updated costs

[1:07:59] are provided to council. Um so we would look at those at the sections that

[1:08:05] have been provided already to council through the master plan and check out

[1:08:10] their feasibilities for those areas. um once they found a feasible area the next

[1:08:15] step would be involved was providing for the EA. So this is just a small step in

[1:08:21] the process. However, uh providing a grant does save the municipality some

[1:08:27] costs and also keeps momentum up in this project itself.

[1:08:32] » Yeah. No, I think the uh I just wasn't sure what that would give us beyond in

[1:08:36] that one. I mean the recreation master plan that's that's good. That's that

[1:08:40] needs a bit an update. Okay. Any further corre?

[1:08:45] » So really we've got two asks here. Is it weighted or we're just throwing them

[1:08:51] into the mix and hoping for the best or >> uh I have had consultation uh with the

[1:08:58] Bruce C group and they believe that both are good candidates for uh the funding.

[1:09:05] Hence we may receive um half for each or but as stated before this does allow for

[1:09:13] us to continue momentum as a master plan for sighting of the uh treatment center.

[1:09:22] Other questions? Call the vote. All in favor?

[1:09:27] The motion's carried. CEO uh report number two. Uh the council

[1:09:34] receives report CAO26-09 as information regarding the acquisition

[1:09:39] of lands airlines head for future recreational and community

[1:09:44] infrastructure opportunities. Second for that one. Rod.

[1:09:51] Any questions, comments?

[1:09:57] Call the vote. All in favor? Opposed? Motion is carried.

[1:10:06] Uh item number item number CO

[1:10:12] is that uh council approves the creation of two permanent full-time waste

[1:10:16] management operator positions subject to completion of the required collective

[1:10:21] agreement discussions with local 266. and that staff be authorized to engage

[1:10:26] with the local 266 regarding the required amendments to the collective

[1:10:31] agreement including classification and wage placement [clears throat] and that

[1:10:36] the following completion of the labor relations process

[1:10:41] staff be authorized to proceed with recruitment and implementation of the

[1:10:44] positions

[1:10:50] along any question regarding that

[1:10:56] » right. >> So this this could happen internally

[1:10:59] potentially but we're looking for in [clears throat] blood. Right.

[1:11:03] » Correct. So we would follow uh the internal and external process for hiring

[1:11:09] um for these two positions. Uh we have already started discussions um with OPSU

[1:11:16] and uh they are in agreement with the job description. So the next step would

[1:11:21] be amendments to the contract and uh wage placement.

[1:11:27] » Uh Smoky. >> Um yeah, just so I get this clear in my

[1:11:31] head, we're looking for two

[1:11:35] more employees that will be full-time that will strictly be on garbage.

[1:11:43] That is correct. >> Okay. Um,

[1:11:47] it's just that in my, of course, I have things going on in my head that no one

[1:11:52] knows. [laughter] But I mean, I guess originally I kind of thought, okay,

[1:11:56] we're doing our own garbage, which is so uh we have so much more garbage in the

[1:12:03] summer uh than we do in the winter, and we uh

[1:12:09] have so much more snow in the winter than we do in the summer. So, is there

[1:12:16] not some way to make this work for the municipality? Like, perhaps we're going

[1:12:23] to do that at any rate, but uh rather than hire two more full-time employees,

[1:12:32] um I'm just just questioning that because I'm going

[1:12:37] to be questioned about it. So, uh I would like to know the rationale why. Uh

[1:12:43] and and I suppose the should we really just give this the

[1:12:48] first year I I'm just questioning the rationale behind that because I had

[1:12:54] thought perhaps you know we could make this work within our staff or maybe how

[1:12:59] many staff do we think we're going to need to do our own service perhaps this

[1:13:04] is reasonable be you know uh but I'd like an explanation on it

[1:13:14] The only way that we can explain this is that um at each new term of council,

[1:13:19] council provides a direction for the role of service and corporates or

[1:13:25] full-time staff. So our staff currently right now are working full-time shifts

[1:13:31] to provide for a new business unit within the public works department.

[1:13:37] council would have to advise of which level of service that we would require

[1:13:41] to cut to actually provide for that collection service. So right now I we're

[1:13:47] anticipating that it won't be be a one day event of garbage collection similar

[1:13:53] to currently what is being held on Mondays. Waste management brings up 7 to

[1:13:59] eight trucks on a Monday to actually do all of our collection. that will be

[1:14:05] impossible for us to complete. So for us to at least provide 4 days of 10-hour

[1:14:12] shifts, that's 40 hours right there. Uh potentially there are going to be days

[1:14:17] that things might be very luxed, but we still have to actually travel the entire

[1:14:23] municipality to actually pick up each garbage and visit each site. Hence why

[1:14:29] we're so looking at a certain structured day of it. If we could go to one staff,

[1:14:36] that would be great. However, we do require to have two staff to do the

[1:14:40] service. We are also looking at a potential for a casual part-timer in

[1:14:47] case of sickness. That right now will be

[1:14:52] uh provided by current staff members if required. Unfortunately, right now we

[1:14:58] are already on a full workload during the day and to move two other staff into

[1:15:04] a [snorts] another business unit would require us to look at something a

[1:15:10] reduction lie service for something else.

[1:15:14] Thank you for the explanation and uh it's it's on recording so I will

[1:15:21] any then I'm asked you know why we can't make this work I will direct people to

[1:15:28] your explanation. Thank you. >> Yeah we also had a report last meeting

[1:15:34] that outlined uh the whole service that we're going to try and

[1:15:40] provide in house. So that report is a detailed report and it spells out why we

[1:15:45] need two people and uh yeah I I think it uh I think it warrants

[1:15:54] if we're going to provide our own service and that's what we decided at

[1:15:58] the last meeting that we were and we need staff to do it. So

[1:16:03] yeah, >> and also the just the curiosity that

[1:16:08] these will be full-time. [snorts] This will be the job description is that

[1:16:14] this is what they do. We're not looking at people that can go in between jobs,

[1:16:20] do this or do the other work. So that's clear as well that it's

[1:16:26] strictly on the garbage. Okay. Thank you.

[1:16:31] All right. Uh, further questions, comments,

[1:16:35] call vote. All in favor? Opposed? The motion's carried.

[1:16:41] Uh, clerk's department is the joint compliance audit committee and that

[1:16:45] council direct staff to bring forward a bylaw to appoint members to the first

[1:16:50] county joint compliance audit committee.

[1:16:54] and secretary for that one. Todd and Rob.

[1:16:59] Any questions on that one? Call the vote. All in favor?

[1:17:06] Opposed? The motion is carried. The clerk's report again. Uh item B has a

[1:17:14] [clears throat] council direct staff to bring forward a bylaw to delegate

[1:17:17] authority to the CAO during a lane duck period.

[1:17:23] executive for that one. Smokey, I'm on.

[1:17:28] Any questions on that one? >> Call it Linda. [laughter]

[1:17:37] » All right.

[1:17:45] » All right. And lame duck it is. Call the vote. All in favor?

[1:17:52] Buried.

[1:17:56] Uh we're a treasury and that council authorized the mayor clerk to enter into

[1:18:01] agreement with uh our new doctor and I'm not going to try and pronounce that

[1:18:05] name. Peggy, do you we will just say we are very delighted to have a new doctor

[1:18:10] join the Peninsula Family Health Team. line said and when they do

[1:18:16] uh we we uh agree to enter into an agreement with them.

[1:18:23] So motion to bring that forward Todd and Rod.

[1:18:30] Any questions on that? Call a vote. All in favor?

[1:18:36] Opposed? The motion is carried. Next we go to public works and that um

[1:18:46] council approves the purchase of a new 2025 freight liner uh rear loading

[1:18:52] refuge truck in the amount of 318,000 plus HST

[1:19:04] on any questions on that one. So, you were

[1:19:10] able to get that one, Troy. Hey. >> Mhm.

[1:19:15] » Yes, we have a a hole on it right now until the approval from council. So,

[1:19:20] » okay. >> We're very fortunate that uh there was

[1:19:23] one one a new one available. So, >> yeah. Um also uh before we can apply to

[1:19:31] get our licensing to be able to do collection uh through thee, we have to

[1:19:36] have [snorts] uh a truck in place to to secure that licensing for to do the

[1:19:42] collection. So this is kind of the first step in getting our approvals to do it.

[1:19:45] So

[1:19:49] all right, any questions? Call the vote. All in favor?

[1:19:55] Opposed? Motion is carried.

[1:20:01] Item B, public works and that council awards the winter sand tender to Hunter

[1:20:06] College and Excavating Inc. for the amount of $147,776

[1:20:14] excluding HST.

[1:20:19] Move by second by Ammon. [clears throat] Any questions?

[1:20:25] Call the vote. All in favor? Oppos? The motions carried.

[1:20:31] Parks and facilities. The council accepts the proposal from Triphase Group

[1:20:37] in the amount of 66,955 plus HST for demolition and site

[1:20:44] restoration of three Centennial Drive inclusive of designated substance

[1:20:50] removal, backfill compaction and securing preservation of on-site hydro,

[1:20:57] water and septic. Move and second to relax.

[1:21:02] Todd Rod the uh substance removal.

[1:21:10] Peggy, what? Ellen Clark, sorry. Uh yes, through you, Mr. Mayor. Um

[1:21:16] there was um the assessments done on various municipal buildings. Um, this

[1:21:22] building had a small amount of asbestous containing material in the

[1:21:27] » floor tiles of one of six bathrooms. So, it's very small amount,

[1:21:32] » but it [clears throat] still has to be uh treated and disposed of according to

[1:21:35] provincial regulations. So, >> right.

[1:21:40] » All right. Any further questions on call the vote? All in favor?

[1:21:47] Opposed? Motion is carried.

[1:21:52] Item B is uh build community strong fund grant application

[1:21:58] and the council authorized staff to submit a funding application to the

[1:22:02] build community strong fund for the replacement of the noted roof surfacing

[1:22:07] HVAC and refrigeration and the equipment and

[1:22:12] equip and refrigeration equipment sorry in the Lion Head Community Center and

[1:22:16] Arena to be proposed in the 2027 7 capital budget

[1:22:22] and second year on Smithy.

[1:22:30] Mark, you want to give us a little update on that?

[1:22:34] » This is a good funding opportunity specific to the um the refrigeration

[1:22:40] system of the arena. Um

[1:22:44] and uh Simco Refrigeration who's doing our capital improvements this summer is

[1:22:49] helping us write the grant and uh reinforce the grant. Uh there's no

[1:22:54] commitments there. Um doesn't cost us anything for their assistance [snorts]

[1:23:00] in the report and uh it does align with our asset management, building condition

[1:23:06] assessment reports and our capital planning for next year.

[1:23:11] » Okay, good. So these are all items that are due in the next year or two for

[1:23:15] replacement. So right. All right. And any further questions?

[1:23:26] All in favor? Post. The motion is carried.

[1:23:33] Item number C for facilities is Tromary Community Center flooring.

[1:23:41] That [clears throat] council waves the purchasing policy section 5424

[1:23:45] soul source supply of goods and or services for the purchase order of

[1:23:50] specialized flooring product. And the council accepts a quotation from

[1:23:55] Advantage Sports for the supply and installation of

[1:23:59] target Omni Sport multiplex flooring to the main hall of the Troy Community

[1:24:05] Center in the amount of 79,500 plus HSG for the specs of the quote a

[1:24:12] July 20th 2026

[1:24:16] for that one. Do I not

[1:24:21] Any comments on that, Mark? Yes, Rob. Sorry.

[1:24:26] » Just a humorous humorous idea. >> Okay.

[1:24:31] » Maybe it's okay. Yeah. >> So, this is actually the third floor we

[1:24:35] had in there. The first floor they put in. [clears throat] The guy that made it

[1:24:40] was a good smoker and that wasn't trying to get smokeable.

[1:24:46] But he also had paper matches that he flipped out on the floor and they tiled

[1:24:50] over top them. So we went into

[1:24:56] the new floor and they had to rip the whole thing out and

[1:25:01] start all over. >> Oh god.

[1:25:04] » Don't smoke at work.

[1:25:10] » Yeah. So this flooring >> Yeah. So, [clears throat] the current

[1:25:13] tile flooring is similar to the tile flooring in in this room. Um,

[1:25:18] when you're there, if you've ever taken a close look, uh, there's a fair bit of

[1:25:22] bubbling occurring in some of the floor tiles in various lines where we believe

[1:25:28] the the seams are in the concrete subfloor.

[1:25:32] Um, it appears to be a moisture problem. Not that the concrete is deteriorated,

[1:25:37] but it caught the moisture problem. Uh shows up kind of hard to explain why,

[1:25:44] but it it does. Um and it can lift separate the glue the adhesive from the

[1:25:49] tile and it causes a bubbling of the tile. Um our floor maintenance ends up

[1:25:56] uh grinding those tiles as they get raised.

[1:26:01] We have a floor machine. um and then they will eventually dry,

[1:26:05] crack um and they become an uneven floor hazard for users of the facility. So

[1:26:11] what's there currently has been repaired. Those seams have been repaired

[1:26:15] prior. Uh we have been monitoring the floor. Um it's deteriorated a bit

[1:26:20] quicker than we had hoped this year, this summer. um to the point that I have

[1:26:26] concerns that we should be looking at replacing it now rather than waiting

[1:26:31] until uh next year in the capital budget process. October is our best month in

[1:26:37] terms of downtime for redoing the flooring in the hall and transition

[1:26:41] between different user groups and pickle ball. The other advantage to changing to

[1:26:46] the changing the floor product surface is uh the floor product that we're

[1:26:52] recommending uh will come with painted lines for the pickle ball courts. So

[1:26:56] there won't be the masking tape application

[1:26:59] uh that's uh laid and then removed each time the floor has to be waxed and

[1:27:04] stripped. So So there's some advantages that way. And this product comes with an

[1:27:09] actual vapor barrier, moisture barrier underlay, which would should prevent any

[1:27:16] further future uh moisture issues to whatever flooring we put down. So,

[1:27:24] will the floor just be a white color or gray color with the lines

[1:27:28] on it? I see some like planks and >> Yeah. So, in the photos in the report,

[1:27:34] it shows the the most prominent color pattern they use, which is a wood

[1:27:38] pattern. It's a vinyl sheet roll, 6 ft wide, so there'll be less seams, and the

[1:27:45] seams are heat welded and glued uh to the floor. Um, and they offer some

[1:27:51] cushion resistance for sport playing. So, we do have pickle ball that plays in

[1:27:56] there to be more friendly to their joints.

[1:27:59] Um, it's easier to maintain. It's mopping and or we can still use the

[1:28:03] floor machine. We just don't have to strip and wax twice a year, which is a

[1:28:08] multi-day endeavor twice a year and about $1,000 in materials each year just

[1:28:12] maintaining the existing floor. So,

[1:28:17] thank you. Any further questions? Call the vote. All in favor?

[1:28:23] The motion's carried. Go to building department A. Item A.

[1:28:29] The council approves the application for an exemption from the T trailer bylaw in

[1:28:35] consideration of the unique circumstance pre presented

[1:28:41] second for that. Uh Smokey Todd I just don't quite get this one here. I

[1:28:53] » speak when my mic is not here but

[1:28:58] » that's right beside the U house that burnt down

[1:29:02] and I guess the stench and the smell from the what's left of the building

[1:29:09] » okay >> is pretty overpowering. So these people

[1:29:12] have another lot they'd like to move the trailer up there shortterm only until

[1:29:18] Okay. Yes. Sounds good. All right. Any further

[1:29:23] questions? Call the vote. All in favor? Opposed? Motion is carried.

[1:29:32] And we go to the item six on the agenda, the minutes for the museum for June 9th,

[1:29:40] 2026.

[1:29:46] You want a motion to

[1:29:51] go item number seven correspondence requiring council direction.

[1:29:57] So there's the Rotary Club. We've had the report there from them

[1:30:02] requesting a temporary patio license at the Rotary Hall. So that's the new patio

[1:30:07] that has been added to the Rotary Hall. They would like support their license

[1:30:15] area during summer basically.

[1:30:20] Yeah.

[1:30:24] Goodbye. Second by Rod.

[1:30:29] Any questions? Call the vote. All in favor? Post. The

[1:30:34] motion is carried.

[1:30:38] Um, Larry Huds, Larry Cousins, you're on drive road access.

[1:30:47] Uh, Troy, do you want to speak to a little bit? I I mean, I guess I kind of

[1:30:52] get, you know, I'm just looking here at at your response, Troy,

[1:30:58] and and just it says or continued on page two. It says or continued

[1:31:04] availability of the route and it's just

[1:31:10] and I'll let [clears throat] you just have a look at that and this is probably

[1:31:13] some legal advice we got but

[1:31:19] » yes so this was a letter was in response to the um letter that we uh

[1:31:26] correspondence we received from the interior landlords association.

[1:31:29] » Yeah. >> Oh okay. Yes.

[1:31:31] » Yeah. So this was a letter that went to back to them in response for their for

[1:31:36] council support you know that they have used that access and I believe uh the

[1:31:42] Mr. Cousins I believe is one of the owners on in that area and maybe was

[1:31:48] just maybe partly confused about what the letter was was about is kind of my

[1:31:54] understanding but >> um because really there's no change in

[1:31:58] anything that we've we've done. So, >> okay, that dates back to that Ontario

[1:32:03] land request. Okay. >> All right.

[1:32:10] Um,

[1:32:15] so I'm just, uh,

[1:32:21] so he responded though to your letter, Troy, right? And here.

[1:32:27] » Yes, that is correct. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:32:30] And are we do we respond back to him or >> we could respond we could respond back

[1:32:37] to him with and uh clarify what his Yeah, we could do that.

[1:32:43] » Sorry. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good.

[1:32:45] » Yeah. There just seemed to be some unease about the way our letter came out

[1:32:50] and that's just the legal ease that we have to use. But I think he just

[1:32:55] » you said it there. Nothing will change. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:32:58] We staff can do that. >> Sounds good.

[1:33:02] Uh and in the uh the mystery of energy and minds

[1:33:08] and uh is there anything here that uh staff can

[1:33:14] mark or who who would look at this a little bit to see if there's anything

[1:33:19] here that we can

[1:33:24] I'll just direct it back to staff to have a look at it and there may there

[1:33:29] may be some opportunity

[1:33:32] extra little other business.

[1:33:37] Does anyone Yes, go ahead. Um yeah, I just uh wanted to re um I asked a few

[1:33:45] weeks ago about the progress on the senior's apartments in uh Tobber my

[1:33:52] uh yes the residents on the west side have been reinstated in uh but I've been

[1:34:00] questioned uh they haven't seen anybody working there

[1:34:05] since that when how will I

[1:34:10] uh when are they uh going to be allowing the uh the residents in the east side of

[1:34:16] the building uh to uh move back in? Do you have any ideas on that or

[1:34:26] we do not have a phone date? Um we do expect them to be in however before

[1:34:33] Christmas. Um but we will direct your questions to Bruce County. Yes, that's

[1:34:39] that's what I I I was hoping you'd say. Thanks.

[1:34:43] » All right. Thank you, Shi. And

[1:34:47] » yeah, just uh so last council meeting the uh the food bank uh do a

[1:34:52] presentation uh requesting some assistance on finding a new location. Uh

[1:34:56] just wondering when we're going to look at that report again. Just it sound like

[1:35:00] the request was kind of semi urgent or some urgency to it.

[1:35:06] So staff have reviewed uh current locations within our current municipal

[1:35:12] facilities. Unfortunately, we don't have any spaces available at this time.

[1:35:17] However, as per the report um regarding purchasing of uh property for recreation

[1:35:24] community purposes, I believe it might be a good avenue for council to have

[1:35:28] that discussion of what the next steps are with that property.

[1:35:41] just have a question regarding the highspeed internet. I know people that

[1:35:45] live in South Bruce and they've actually been hooked up to new services and it

[1:35:50] just appears that there doesn't seem to be much action going on in North Bruce.

[1:35:54] I just was curious as to the status. We'll have to get back to you on a

[1:36:02] current updated status. We do have it on our website, but I know they haven't

[1:36:07] actually updated the draft currently right now.

[1:36:10] » Thank you.

[1:36:14] » Anyone else have other business? If not,

[1:36:19] we will move in to item 10 on the agenda, which is closed session, and

[1:36:24] that council move in closed meeting with the CEO and clerk in attendance pursuant

[1:36:28] to section 2392 of the municipal act 2001 as amendment

[1:36:33] for the following reasons. Personnel matters about identifiable

[1:36:38] individual including municipal or local board employees specifically related to

[1:36:42] a personnel update. Thank you for a second for that. Do and

[1:36:47] smokey all favorite motion carated.

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