[0:02] we stand adjourned.

[0:05] So

[0:05] I

[0:07] m in high schoolers

[0:08] All right, I

[0:10] d like to call to

[0:13] order this meeting of the

[0:15] Ambergrove Heights Parks and

[0:17] Recreation Advisory Commission

[0:19] for Wednesday, SEPTEMBER 10th.

[0:20] Welcome everyone.

[0:20] We

[0:22] ll begin with, uh, roll call,

[0:22] if you

[0:24] re here, please, uh,

[0:25] indicate so if you

[0:25] re not,

[0:26] don

[0:29] t. So, um,

[0:31] Vicky Parker here. Kurt

[0:34] Stangler is not here. Um, Luisa

[0:37] Torres. Ok, Sandy Christiansen.

[0:38] Yeah.

[0:41] Abby Heinrich is um ill. I have

[0:44] an excused, uh, Luke Johnson,

[0:45] you just made it. He

[0:47] s here

[0:51] Uh, Bill Skar and Tracy

[0:52] McCaughey McKahy is uh on a

[0:53] trip.

[0:56] So that rounds out the group.

[0:57] Our first order tonight of

[1:00] business will be a presentation,

[1:02] uh, by Al Van der Hof, who is

[1:04] our recreation coordinator.

[1:04] He

[1:06] s going to be talking about

[1:08] active older adult programming.

[1:11] Welcome, Al.

[1:12] Uh, good evening and thanks for

[1:14] having me today. Um, my name is

[1:17] Alanoff, as I said, uh, one of

[1:18] the recreation coordinators

[1:20] overseeing the active old adult,

[1:23] which we probably delivered in

[1:26] partnership with isd 19912d

[1:27] Education, um, kind of like to

[1:29] serve with fun facts, you know,

[1:30] over the past year, you know,

[1:32] more than 5000 people, you know,

[1:33] participated in our actual

[1:34] development programs connecting

[1:36] with new opportunities, forming

[1:38] friendships, and educational

[1:39] experiences, but if you ever

[1:40] stop to think about what

[1:41] one single class of social

[1:43] events, you know, how it can

[1:43] truly brighten someone

[1:44] s day or

[1:44] you

[1:45] re gonna change the way

[1:46] they approach the upcoming

[1:48] season. We kind of added this

[1:50] here on the fly today because

[1:51] Bridge today there

[1:51] s a lady

[1:53] that I could see forgot her

[1:54] keys or sitting on the table. I

[1:55] could see her in the parking

[1:57] lot searching through her purse

[1:58] trying to find your keys. I can

[2:00] see a Chevy car. I ran out

[2:01] there and gave her keys. She

[2:03] thanked me, but then there was

[2:04] this older gentleman that he

[2:05] s

[2:06] been coming to bridge quite a

[2:07] bit and he

[2:09] s very competitive,

[2:10] um, I think years and years ago

[2:10] I heard rumors he

[2:11] s been kicked

[2:13] out of several other places

[2:15] because his competitive nature

[2:16] and other places that they play

[2:17] bridge. We

[2:17] ve kind of got them

[2:19] calmed down, but as I was

[2:20] coming back in, he catches me.

[2:21] He

[2:22] s like, hey, I had this hand

[2:23] because he

[2:24] s had really bad

[2:26] weeks here lately, and had this

[2:27] hand, he goes, it was pass,

[2:28] pass, pass, pass, comes to me

[2:29] and goes, I had to do clubs. He

[2:31] goes, and luckily enough, my

[2:32] partner matched what I had. I

[2:33] had a really great day, and he

[2:35] goes out the door just to

[2:37] smiling away, and it just kind

[2:39] of one of those things that he

[2:40] makes you think, you know, yeah,

[2:40] what we

[2:41] re doing makes an

[2:41] impact, and it

[2:42] s great to see

[2:44] that, you know, even though he

[2:45] probably struggled 5 or so

[2:47] years ago when he first started

[2:48] playing bridge there. So, um,

[2:50] with that being said, kind of

[2:52] segue into kind of

[2:54] our season, if you will, that

[2:54] s

[2:55] starting, uh, this fall with uh

[2:57] kind of our active aging week

[2:58] that we do every year. It

[2:58] s

[2:59] kind of a national act of Aging

[3:01] week that this year

[3:01] s OCTOBER

[3:03] 6th through 10th. Um, new,

[3:03] we

[3:05] ve kind of been doing

[3:06] different themes every year

[3:07] around that week, so we

[3:08] re

[3:09] doing slowdown and Shine,

[3:10] Mindful living is kind of the

[3:12] theme for this year. So we

[3:12] re

[3:14] offering is a craft project, uh,

[3:16] with a sponsored by Elina Etna.

[3:16] She

[3:17] s been doing that for a

[3:19] couple of years with us. Um,

[3:21] Landmark Tours, they highlight,

[3:23] um, what they have

[3:25] to offer both nationally and

[3:26] internationally. They do great

[3:28] trips with, uh, you know, the

[3:29] bell, all the bells and

[3:30] whistles and have a chaperone

[3:32] that goes with them and

[3:34] pretty much top-notch travel

[3:35] experience with them. Uh, we

[3:35] re

[3:37] doing wisdom and wellness uh

[3:38] with a sound bath experience

[3:41] calming, restorative sound bath

[3:43] throughout relaxation and

[3:44] mental clarity, uh, Wednesday,

[3:46] we kind of set aside for our

[3:48] fitness programs, so mindful

[3:50] movement, uh, is what we

[3:50] ve

[3:51] called that. So all of our

[3:52] fitness classes are kind of

[3:54] being highlighted on that

[3:55] Wednesday, uh, Thursday we

[3:55] re

[3:56] doing what

[3:56] s called Moments

[3:58] That Matter, and this is kind

[3:59] of something new that I

[3:59] m

[4:00] excited about. Hopefully we get

[4:02] off the ground here this winter.

[4:03] Um, it

[4:05] s dementia friendly

[4:06] activities and caregiver

[4:07] support. So we

[4:07] ve got a panel

[4:09] with um Colleen Fritz, who

[4:11] actually is an ex-Invergrove

[4:13] resident. She grew up here back

[4:14] in the day, and she

[4:14] s excited

[4:15] to hopefully get this up and

[4:15] going. She

[4:16] s from Dementia

[4:18] Friends, um, our partners of

[4:19] DArts. Um

[4:20] and then we also have someone

[4:22] from Serenity Home Care that

[4:23] outside of doing things with

[4:25] older adults with home care,

[4:26] personally affects her because

[4:29] her husband has dementia. So

[4:29] we

[4:31] re working to create some

[4:32] dementia-friendly activities

[4:34] this winter and spring. Also at

[4:35] the same time having some

[4:36] caregiver support that DARTs

[4:37] can kind of help out with that

[4:38] as well. So we

[4:39] ll have some

[4:40] information about that on that

[4:41] Thursday and then we

[4:41] re gonna

[4:45] end the week with some uh bingo

[4:46] celebration. Um

[4:47] outside of that, just kind of

[4:49] highlighting some enrichment in

[4:51] art and education classes. We

[4:52] try to mix it up all throughout

[4:53] the year. I don

[4:54] t like to

[4:55] continue having the same thing,

[4:56] so we like to kind of mix it up

[4:59] every year and offer different

[5:00] um educational classes

[5:01] throughout the year. So

[5:02] highlighting some of the ones

[5:02] we

[5:03] ve done over the last year

[5:05] is, uh, making the most of like

[5:06] Medicare plan and how to

[5:08] navigate through that, um, who

[5:09] will inherit the mess, um, just

[5:12] kind of how you can do

[5:13] practical estate planning, um,

[5:14] on the road to safer driving.

[5:16] Um, we did a pretty cool

[5:17] collaboration with Dakota

[5:18] County Library. It was kind of

[5:21] fun, took part of their uh

[5:22] anniversary celebration earlier

[5:23] this spring, and we kind of

[5:24] highlighted some of those

[5:25] things that we did with them.

[5:27] We did, uh, how to use library

[5:29] apps, engage with them with uh

[5:31] some creativity, with a mosaic

[5:33] art project and also a paper

[5:35] bag luminaries. Um

[5:36] line dancing continues to be

[5:37] very popular. So what we

[5:38] ve

[5:40] done new with that is we

[5:41] ve had

[5:42] kind of the same core group of

[5:42] people, but we

[5:43] ve growing from

[5:44] there and we

[5:44] re getting new

[5:45] people, so we

[5:47] ve split up and

[5:49] added an advanced beginner and

[5:50] now having a beginner class

[5:51] because we

[5:51] re kind of growing

[5:53] that program as well. So and

[5:54] now, excuse me, what is that

[5:56] lined line dancing? Oh, a line

[5:58] dancing. Ok, but you see people

[6:00] do that, yeah, wedding dances

[6:03] and whatnot. So, um

[6:04] then health and wellness

[6:06] sessions, you know, receiving,

[6:08] uh, we did a hearing assessment,

[6:09] uh, keep losing my keys was

[6:11] another one just kind of

[6:12] knowing the difference between

[6:12] what

[6:13] s normal, memory loss, and

[6:16] what actually is signs of maybe

[6:17] dementia and Alzheimer

[6:18] s, um,

[6:19] and that just kind of

[6:20] highlights some of the

[6:21] enrichment classes we

[6:21] ve done

[6:23] over the year. Um

[6:24] another big thing we do

[6:25] annually is our healthy living

[6:26] fair. That

[6:27] s always the 3rd

[6:29] Wednesday of APRIL, uh, which

[6:31] was APRIL 16th this last year,

[6:32] or currently this year

[6:33] s 2025,

[6:35] but um we had 37 vendors, which

[6:37] is 5 more than we had last year.

[6:39] We estimated about 170

[6:40] participants that came through

[6:41] there. Um, in addition to the

[6:43] vendor faire, we also do

[6:44] breakout sessions in the

[6:46] community rooms and we kind of

[6:48] strategically staggered them a

[6:49] little bit better this year to

[6:49] where they don

[6:50] t overlap and

[6:51] run congruently, so someone

[6:52] could actually go to all of the

[6:54] sessions, but uh

[6:54] highlight some of those that we

[6:56] had some great attendance at

[6:57] this year was, uh, just gut

[7:00] health, hormone balance, uh,

[7:01] meditation and sound healing,

[7:02] um, healthy eating, we did

[7:04] internally with one of our

[7:06] fitness staff, um, another one

[7:06] that

[7:07] s always really popular

[7:08] that we love having is

[7:10] gardening tips with Marsha.

[7:10] She

[7:13] s a actually a local um

[7:14] master gardener who also has

[7:16] been a longtime render out at

[7:17] our community gardens at Salem

[7:19] Hills, so she does a fabulous

[7:19] job. It

[7:20] s always very popular,

[7:21] and then, uh, neuropathy

[7:23] awareness, um, we had that day.

[7:24] Um.

[7:25] And that

[7:26] s also a wonderful

[7:28] collaboration that myself and

[7:29] then the fitness team worked to

[7:30] put together. So, um, our

[7:32] senior club, there

[7:32] s still

[7:33] holding on. They

[7:34] ve got 100

[7:35] members and probably close to

[7:36] 20 of them are over 90 years

[7:38] old, which is pretty phenomenal.

[7:39] Um, they continue to do their

[7:41] monthly luncheons. They average

[7:45] about 48 to 50 people. Um,

[7:46] highest participation is

[7:47] usually the summer months, but,

[7:50] um, this last year was DECEMBER

[7:51] holiday luncheon. Um

[7:52] they continue to have interest

[7:54] with sponsors that come in just

[7:55] a table there and just give

[7:56] them information and some of

[7:58] them are on the outside of just

[7:59] providing them information to

[8:01] kind of take it and run with it

[8:04] and um uh decided to help mc

[8:05] the bingo when they do that,

[8:06] and they

[8:07] ve stayed to help

[8:08] serve um when there there was

[8:10] lunches and helped clean up and

[8:11] whatnot. And a couple of them

[8:14] actually just donated, um, and

[8:15] provided a dessert for them as

[8:16] well. So that

[8:17] s uh been working

[8:19] out very well. Um, actually one

[8:20] of the, uh

[8:21] people that helped out with the

[8:22] uh bingo calling. We had a

[8:23] couple of the school board

[8:24] members that came and really

[8:24] wasn

[8:26] t to call it bingo for

[8:27] them too, which they thought

[8:30] was pretty cool. Um

[8:30] another thing we

[8:31] ve done with

[8:34] them is doing some off-site

[8:36] luncheons that we started last

[8:37] year over at um the new fire

[8:39] hall, which we

[8:40] tried to carry out again this

[8:42] year and highlight and showcase

[8:43] our new South Valley shelter,

[8:44] but unfortunately the weather

[8:45] didn

[8:45] t cooperate. It was a

[8:47] rainy day and we had, she had

[8:49] Adam, our grill master. Brian

[8:49] couldn

[8:50] t make it. He

[8:50] s on

[8:52] vacation, but we had, uh, Joe

[8:54] that helped grill out, and we

[8:55] still made the best of it and

[8:56] they kind of highlighted and

[8:57] showcased some of the stuff

[8:58] that, uh, we

[8:59] ve got new with

[9:00] the park systems and some of

[9:01] that stuff that

[9:02] s going on in

[9:03] our parks department. So, um,

[9:04] unfortunately, we couldn

[9:05] t

[9:05] showcase South Valley and

[9:06] hopefully we

[9:07] ll maybe try to do

[9:08] that again next summer. But, uh,

[9:09] they

[9:10] really do like kind of doing

[9:11] something a little bit

[9:12] different outside of their norm.

[9:14] Um, they also kind of help with

[9:16] the uh card games, the weekly

[9:17] card games and being there to

[9:19] kind of host and get set up and

[9:21] make coffee and stuff like that.

[9:23] So those continue to go 5 days

[9:24] a week. Um, one of our newer

[9:27] ones, um, hand and foot, that

[9:27] s

[9:28] on Fridays, that

[9:28] s actually the

[9:30] one most of the tenants has

[9:31] stayed pretty normal, but that

[9:32] one actually has grown over

[9:33] this last year, so it

[9:34] s kind of

[9:36] fun to see that one doing well,

[9:38] one of our newer card games

[9:38] that we

[9:39] ve offered. So

[9:42] kind of tie back to some of the

[9:43] interdepartmental things we do.

[9:44] I always like to try to help or

[9:46] have some of the other

[9:47] departments work with us, so we

[9:49] did coffee with a cop this fall.

[9:51] Um, and then moving forward

[9:52] this winter, uh, actually had a

[9:54] realtor reach out to me that

[9:55] wants to do a series of

[9:57] educational things, but one of

[9:57] the things she

[9:58] s gonna work

[9:59] with is a police department

[10:02] again in doing um scams. I

[10:02] don

[10:03] t think you can offer that

[10:03] enough because it

[10:04] s ever

[10:05] changing and they

[10:05] re always

[10:06] trying to unfortunately take

[10:09] care of, take advantage of our

[10:11] seniors and older adults, um.

[10:13] Also the fire department always

[10:15] comes the first luncheon in

[10:16] JANUARY to the senior club and

[10:19] kind of talks to them about um

[10:21] being safe in your home, fire

[10:22] safety, things like that, and

[10:25] just kind of more of a casual,

[10:26] um, safety type message that

[10:27] they like to give and annually

[10:29] do that in their JANUARY

[10:31] luncheon. Um

[10:34] talked to Mark and our it

[10:36] department over summer um

[10:39] picnic and I hoping to convince

[10:40] him to do again another little

[10:42] it session and kind of helping

[10:44] seniors with uh being

[10:46] comfortable with iPads and

[10:47] smartphones and technology and

[10:49] whatnot, so, um, hoping to

[10:50] maybe get that either this

[10:51] spring or maybe this summer

[10:51] again because it

[10:52] s been a few

[10:54] years since we offered that. So,

[10:55] um

[10:57] some new programs, uh, Fallfest

[10:58] was last year, the first time

[10:59] we offered it. We had great

[11:00] success with that, so we

[11:00] re

[11:01] excited to be offering that

[11:03] again this year, and that

[11:03] s a

[11:04] collaborative with Saint Paul

[11:04] Farmers

[11:05] Market. It

[11:06] s out there

[11:07] every Sunday throughout the

[11:09] spring, summer, fall, if you

[11:10] will to the end of OCTOBER and

[11:12] then also with uh the school

[11:13] district um that collaborates

[11:15] on that so great community

[11:16] event promised me a wonderful

[11:18] day for residents to have some

[11:22] fall fun. Um, isd 2199

[11:24] partnership, um, as I mentioned

[11:26] with that we added with

[11:28] the um senior club lunch in the

[11:30] high school choir came and sang

[11:31] at their

[11:33] DECEMBER luncheon, and it was

[11:35] fabulous. They had a great time

[11:37] and uh unanimously voted to

[11:38] have them come back, so we

[11:38] re

[11:39] excited to have them come back

[11:42] again this, this DECEMBER. Um

[11:44] also have a new director with

[11:45] the community education

[11:47] department, Chad, um, and when

[11:48] I met with him when we first

[11:49] started, we kind of

[11:50] brainstormed a little bit, some

[11:52] new ideas and different things

[11:53] we might try, but until he gets

[11:55] his feet wet, till the school

[11:56] s

[11:58] year starts, gets up and going,

[11:58] we

[11:59] re probably looking to do

[12:01] some things late spring or

[12:02] summer, um, kind of based on

[12:03] what we

[12:04] ve loosely brainstormed

[12:06] when I first initially met him.

[12:07] Um.

[12:09] With the line dancing, that

[12:10] instructor also approached me

[12:11] about wanting to do kind of a

[12:13] larger event to kind of promote

[12:14] line dancing, so we

[12:14] ll be

[12:16] looking to do that here, um,

[12:17] later this fall. She kind of

[12:18] helped out with someone, a

[12:19] friend of hers that did a large

[12:21] event like that down at uh

[12:22] Harriet Island somewhere down

[12:23] in Saint Paul. It was like a

[12:25] huge event. I think we

[12:25] ve done

[12:27] something similar, like fitness

[12:28] with like a big Zumba class

[12:29] like that in the gym, so she

[12:29] s

[12:31] wanting to do something to that

[12:32] extent to uh to kind of help

[12:34] promote our line dancing. Um,

[12:36] pick the ball, we added a

[12:37] ladder league this year. So

[12:38] unlike just pairing up with

[12:39] doubles, and that

[12:40] s pretty

[12:41] standard now with Pickleball

[12:43] where you go off of points,

[12:43] it

[12:45] s not wins and losses. So

[12:47] kind of the point is where you

[12:49] basically are playing the same

[12:50] level of people every week, and

[12:52] you kind of move up and down

[12:53] the standings or the ladder, if

[12:55] you will, based on how many

[12:55] points. So you could actually

[12:57] have a losing record, but if

[12:57] you

[12:58] re two losses, you know,

[13:00] you got 14 out of the 15 points,

[13:02] while you still got quite a few

[13:05] points. So the win loss doesn

[13:05] t

[13:06] always really correlate to how

[13:08] good you are in the standing.

[13:12] So that went fabulous and they

[13:13] bugged me to open up another

[13:14] one to do in the fall. So we

[13:15] re

[13:15] gonna take advantage of the

[13:17] lights over at Skyview Park and

[13:20] have just a small little quick

[13:20] folly that we

[13:21] re gonna do over

[13:22] at Skyview. So they

[13:23] re already

[13:24] clamoring to get registered for

[13:26] that. Um

[13:28] also with that, with the pickle

[13:29] ball that continues to be very

[13:31] popular or open and drop in

[13:32] that we do in the winter, uh,

[13:33] spring over at the community

[13:35] center, and then our bronze

[13:37] league that we kept the same

[13:38] actually increased from 12 to

[13:40] 16 teams a year. So that

[13:42] continues to be very, very

[13:44] popular. Um, so in addition to

[13:46] that, kind of some other

[13:48] programs just to highlight, um,

[13:50] before I end here, um

[13:51] our tis Thompson Park, Inver

[13:53] Grove, South Saint Paul, day

[13:54] trips continue to be very

[13:56] popular, including the

[13:58] overnight extended day ones, um,

[13:58] when I kind of want to

[13:59] highlight, it was kind of cool.

[14:01] We had a mobster trip down to

[14:02] Minneapolis to kind of talk

[14:05] about the old prohibition days

[14:07] and the lady dressed up in

[14:08] prohibition era garb, and she

[14:10] narrated the whole thing and we

[14:11] ironically had a participant

[14:13] that was an author that had

[14:15] like relatives or ties kind of

[14:16] to that era and kind of helped

[14:18] with the narration the whole

[14:19] thing and there were just some

[14:20] great, great discuss

[14:21] ion and uh everybody just had a

[14:23] blast with that whole trip, but

[14:25] uh they are still, you know,

[14:26] very popular, um, sleeping mats

[14:28] for the homeless every other

[14:31] Tuesday they make the uh

[14:32] sleeping mats for them and it

[14:33] s

[14:35] been over 400 mats that they

[14:35] ve

[14:36] made and they get about 40

[14:37] people that come every other

[14:39] Tuesday, which is great. Driver

[14:40] safety class again, they kind

[14:41] of revamped and changed how

[14:42] they do things and their

[14:43] numbers have been pretty good.

[14:44] Um, and you don

[14:45] t have to do

[14:46] the initial eight-hour class,

[14:47] so they like just having to

[14:49] only do 4 hours to get their

[14:50] 10% discount. So

[14:52] those classes are also doing

[14:53] very well, and then we have the

[14:54] Happy Feet Footcare that

[14:54] s

[14:57] their twice a month as well. So,

[15:00] book clubs too continue to have

[15:01] uh decent attendance and what

[15:03] was kind of cool last just this

[15:04] last Tuesday, a couple of days

[15:05] ago, I actually had to steel

[15:06] bunch of chairs from the

[15:07] community room too and the

[15:10] legion room because they had a

[15:12] huge crowd and I throw in

[15:13] another table in there so it

[15:13] s

[15:14] kind of cool to see that

[15:15] fiction book club growing and

[15:16] having to throw in some more

[15:18] chairs into the Legion room for

[15:20] them, for their club to meet,

[15:21] so kind of talked a little bit

[15:22] too about maybe trying to open

[15:24] it up instead of just 55 plus

[15:26] maybe making it just for adults

[15:26] because I know there

[15:27] s, you

[15:28] know,

[15:30] 19 to 50 somethings that also

[15:31] like reading and being in those

[15:32] book clubs. I don

[15:32] t know if the

[15:34] daytime will prevent them from

[15:36] that, but we might look at

[15:38] opening up the ages for that as

[15:39] well. So,

[15:40] you know, I kind of threw a lot

[15:41] out there. Uh it

[15:42] s kind of a

[15:43] quick snapshot of some of the

[15:44] things we

[15:44] ve been up to at the

[15:45] senior center. I

[15:46] d be happy to

[15:47] answer any questions that you

[15:49] would have.

[15:51] Are there any opportunities for

[15:53] teens or middle school students

[15:55] to interact with the senior

[15:56] community in terms of, you know,

[15:58] over weekends or volunteer

[15:59] opportunities.

[15:59] That

[16:00] s actually one of the

[16:02] things that Chad and I kind of

[16:03] briefly touched on was wanting

[16:05] to do kind of some more of that

[16:06] intergenerational stuff and how

[16:08] we can make some of that work,

[16:09] but we did kind of briefly

[16:11] touch on that, but again, our

[16:12] initial discussion, it was just

[16:13] kind of brief, you know, he had

[16:15] just got started and we just

[16:15] kind of we

[16:16] re brainstorming and

[16:16] it

[16:17] s kind of an introductory

[16:20] meeting, but lots of school, uh,

[16:22] year starts to get on its feet,

[16:22] we

[16:24] ll get into some more

[16:26] discussions about newer

[16:26] programming and things like

[16:27] that, so that

[16:28] s a great idea.

[16:28] Yeah, good question.

[16:30] Mhm.

[16:30] You

[16:33] ve got a lot going on, Al.

[16:34] Bravo, that

[16:34] s a lot just

[16:35] cheering it all, you know. I

[16:36] don

[16:37] t know how you keep it all

[16:38] going. Would you say that you

[16:40] have kind of a core group that

[16:42] that kind of does a lot of the,

[16:43] the different activity or you

[16:46] have you pull in a lot of

[16:47] different people depending on,

[16:50] I would say a core you see

[16:52] regularly, but, um, to that

[16:55] point, like a bridge two weeks

[16:57] ago, um, it was bursting at the

[16:59] seams and the new people I saw,

[17:00] I mean, Bridge is probably by

[17:01] far our

[17:03] most attended card game, but

[17:04] what I saw was interesting was

[17:05] that people were bringing

[17:07] friends, but I also saw a

[17:09] handful of people, I think it

[17:11] was a tableworth of people that

[17:12] I normally see that come on

[17:14] those every other Tuesdays for

[17:15] the mapmaking group. So you,

[17:15] you know, they

[17:16] re seeing it or

[17:17] talking to friends or see

[17:19] friends, and I saw some people

[17:20] that are coming there for

[17:22] something else that are now

[17:24] coming for bridge. So by and

[17:24] large, it

[17:26] s quite a few of the

[17:27] same people that are doing a

[17:28] lot of the same things, but,

[17:29] you know, there

[17:29] s certain ones

[17:30] that are only there on one day

[17:31] a week

[17:31] and there

[17:32] s others that are

[17:34] there 3 to 5 days a week, so.

[17:36] In a good mix, are there, um,

[17:38] excuse me, are there ways that

[17:39] things are publicized, the, the

[17:41] group, the things that you

[17:41] re

[17:44] doing other than through the

[17:46] publication here as there is in

[17:49] the outside advertising or yes,

[17:50] we also advertised to the

[17:52] Tri-district brochure. It

[17:52] s a

[17:53] tri-district collaborative with

[17:54] Invergrove, South Saint Paul

[17:56] and West Saint Paul. So it gets

[17:58] out to all three of those

[18:00] communities. Tho those

[18:01] brochures pretty much coincide

[18:02] with when ours come out. It

[18:03] s a

[18:03] little bit different, about a

[18:04] week or so apart, but

[18:05] for the most part their

[18:07] brochures come out the same

[18:10] time that ours do. So great.

[18:12] Other questions? So the

[18:14] sleeping mats are those from

[18:17] the plastic bags? Do you ever

[18:21] need plastic bags because

[18:23] I, I hesitantly say yes because

[18:24] I don

[18:25] t want to

[18:27] resoundingly say yes and have

[18:29] my office full of them as

[18:31] people continually drop them

[18:34] off. So, uh, yes, they will

[18:37] accept bags, but um

[18:38] they certainly have enough just

[18:40] by word of mouth than

[18:41] advertising. But if you want to

[18:44] slip some over in my office,

[18:44] I

[18:46] ll gladly give them to them

[18:47] on Tuesdays, every other

[18:50] Tuesday, but

[18:52] other questions? No, I

[18:52] appreciate all you

[18:53] re doing. I

[18:55] feel like, you know, that

[18:56] s a

[18:58] community that definitely needs

[19:00] attention and we should all be

[19:01] caring for and

[19:03] utilizing for sure, so thank

[19:05] you.

[19:07] Thank you. Thank you and good

[19:09] luck with the programming move

[19:13] forward thank you very

[19:15] All right, moving into

[19:18] announcements, uh, we have the

[19:19] annual commissioner

[19:21] appreciation dinner coming up

[19:23] Tuesday, SEPTEMBER 23rd, so be

[19:24] sure to mark that on your

[19:27] calendar. The council really

[19:29] appreciates being able to

[19:30] recognize those of us that have

[19:31] uh

[19:33] uh, volunteered to be on these

[19:35] commissions and, and be sure an

[19:37] rsvp, um, and I

[19:37] m, I haven

[19:38] t

[19:39] done it yet myself, but I

[19:41] noticed the car asks for that,

[19:42] so be sure and do that so they

[19:42] knows you

[19:43] re coming. It

[19:44] ll be a

[19:47] South Valley, um, Park shelter

[19:51] from 5 to 8 P.M. On the 23rd.

[19:52] OCTOBER meeting will be

[19:56] Wednesday the 8th at 7 P.M.

[19:57] And NOVEMBER we

[19:59] re gonna have a

[20:01] work session on Wednesday the

[20:04] 12th at 5 P.M. And sort of a

[20:05] surprise agenda at this point.

[20:06] Um, did you want to say

[20:07] anything more about that, Adam?

[20:08] No, it

[20:08] ll be in the

[20:09] presentation. It

[20:10] ll be key, ok.

[20:12] He come out great.

[20:14] All right, so the next item is

[20:17] the consent agenda. Um, all

[20:18] items are considered routine,

[20:20] have been made available to all

[20:22] of us. At least 2 days prior to

[20:24] the meeting. Items will be

[20:26] enacted then in one motion.

[20:26] There

[20:28] s 2 items, um, no

[20:29] separate discussion unless

[20:31] commission member or citizens

[20:32] so requests, in which event the

[20:34] animal will be removed from the

[20:35] agenda and considered a normal

[20:36] sequence. So the two items to

[20:38] the approval of tonight

[20:38] s

[20:41] agenda and the approval of the

[20:44] minutes from AUGUST 13th.

[20:45] Meeting. So I

[20:45] d entertain a

[20:47] motion to accept those two

[20:49] items. So moved.

[20:53] 2, 2nd, Sandy. All right, moved

[20:55] and seconded to uh accept the

[20:57] two items on the consent agenda,

[20:58] all in favor, signed by saying

[21:01] aye, aye, and he opposed, ok,

[21:03] that passes. Now we come to

[21:04] public comment. We have a

[21:05] couple of visitors here, don

[21:05] t

[21:06] know if you

[21:07] re going to be a

[21:08] part of this, but we provide an

[21:10] opportunity for the public to

[21:12] address the commission. Is not

[21:13] on the agenda. Generally limit

[21:14] to 3 minutes, so we

[21:15] re a little

[21:17] bit loose on that. So welcome.

[21:18] Would you introduce yourself,

[21:20] please. Um,

[21:24] your address, Bob Murray, 6852

[21:28] Bovie Trail. Adam Erdman, 6881

[21:29] Bobi Trail. Ok, thanks for

[21:31] having us back. Appreciate it.

[21:33] Um, we were here a while ago

[21:35] and asked a couple of things

[21:37] and you came through on

[21:38] a couple things and appreciate

[21:40] that. We had a dumpster that

[21:41] was kind of on site. Well, it

[21:43] was on sightly and

[21:45] you, uh, graciously enough put

[21:47] a fence around it, got that out

[21:48] of view, and that was great.

[21:51] So thank you. Um, second thing

[21:53] we have is the outhouse. We

[21:54] thought the outhouse was going

[21:56] to be uh

[21:58] behind a fence or a barrier too,

[21:59] and that didn

[22:00] t happen and

[22:01] talked with Adam earlier on

[22:02] before the meeting because we

[22:02] didn

[22:03] t want a blind inside of

[22:04] them, so we told them what

[22:04] we

[22:06] re going to talk about. But

[22:06] we

[22:09] re wondering if you folks

[22:11] could maybe uh help us put a

[22:12] barrier around the outhouse.

[22:13] It

[22:14] s pretty unsightly. It

[22:14] s

[22:15] facing the street. The doors

[22:17] open all the time, and one of

[22:18] my neighbors, I

[22:19] m on the board

[22:20] and we drew the short straw.

[22:21] That

[22:21] s why we

[22:22] re here tonight.

[22:23] But one of my neighbors sent a

[22:25] picture of his uh

[22:26] living room window on his house.

[22:27] Can I, do you mind if I

[22:29] approach and show you the term.

[22:29] And where

[22:30] s, where

[22:32] s, where are

[22:33] we talking? Ok. Yeah. Um-hum

[22:35] Yeah.. Ok Yeah. Yeah. Um-hum.

[22:35] Ok. That

[22:36] s north that directly

[22:37] in front of the pickleball

[22:42] courts....... 00, pickle. 00,

[22:42] pickle. Uh, so they

[22:43] re 00,

[22:43] pickle., so we

[22:44] re looking at

[22:45] that. Um-hum. All, probably 60,

[22:48] 70% of the time, so Bob and our

[22:49] name Ramesh got a direct line

[22:50] to it and then in 6 months

[22:50] we

[22:52] ll have a new neighbor that

[22:54] will also have be staring

[22:55] directly at it as well.

[22:56] Every day.

[22:58] You know, once they see toilet

[23:00] paper on the floor and stuff in

[23:02] there. Yeah. Which is kind of.

[23:04] Yeah, and I think the goal

[23:05] would be nothing extravagant. I

[23:06] know we were talking, you know,

[23:07] financials on what a structure

[23:08] would look like, but just

[23:09] something to kind of mask it a

[23:11] little bit like a fence with

[23:13] some type of cover around it. I

[23:13] mean

[23:14] yeah, I know that the one that

[23:16] I think you said North Valley

[23:17] Park was Rich Valley Park,

[23:19] sorry, uh, was a bit expensive.

[23:20] Nothing, I don

[23:20] t think anything

[23:23] to that extent, but one thing,

[23:23] just what

[23:25] s your total park

[23:26] budget?

[23:29] Um, are you regarding

[23:29] everything you

[23:30] re operating

[23:31] budgets, salaries, and

[23:32] everything. Is it the millions

[23:34] of dollars or it

[23:34] s, it

[23:35] s in the

[23:36] area around a little north of

[23:39] $2 million... $2 million. So if

[23:42] you guys could be kind enough

[23:44] to maybe find 8 or 9000

[23:46] somewhere in slush out of that

[23:48] 2 million. Maybe you could help

[23:51] us not have to look at the

[23:52] toilet and the stuff that

[23:52] s

[23:53] associated with that every day

[23:55] because we try to be good

[23:56] neighbors. And uh

[23:58] I know you guys are when you

[23:59] put the fence around there, but

[24:01] how would you like to look out

[24:03] your door every day and see an

[24:05] open outhouse door. So all

[24:05] we

[24:07] re asking is if you could

[24:09] kindly do that and find maybe

[24:12] 800 out of a $2.2 million

[24:13] budget. We

[24:14] d really appreciate

[24:15] that. I guess this would be

[24:17] something for the staff in

[24:19] terms of response, yeah.

[24:22] Yeah, um, commissioners, public

[24:23] open comment comments, um, it

[24:24] s,

[24:24] it

[24:25] s typically as, as much as

[24:26] we make a generalized statement

[24:28] of a overall budget of $2

[24:29] million. That

[24:29] s all itemized

[24:31] down to roughly the dollar. So

[24:31] it

[24:31] s, it

[24:32] s, I don

[24:32] t want to say

[24:32] that there

[24:33] s a slush or there

[24:33] s

[24:34] just a little money just

[24:35] sitting around because I think

[24:35] that

[24:37] s a misrepresentation of

[24:39] how we operated. No, I get it.

[24:39] So that

[24:40] s, that

[24:40] s one thing I

[24:41] would say to the commission. I

[24:43] think. Secondly, if we look at

[24:44] planning, we have outhouses

[24:46] throughout our entire parks, um,

[24:48] that I think a lot of neighbors

[24:49] in ongo

[24:51] ers would like to see some

[24:53] capability or resolution to the

[24:54] same thing. So not multiply

[24:55] that times, let

[24:56] s say how many

[24:57] parts we have in neighborhood

[24:58] parks.

[25:00] 30 some. So when you look at

[25:01] that and you look at other

[25:02] neighborhoods and again not

[25:03] isolated just this particular

[25:05] one. You do that times 30, that

[25:07] 8 to $9000 doesn

[25:08] t look like 8

[25:09] $9000. So it

[25:10] s something that

[25:10] we can definitely take into

[25:12] consideration. Um, I think what

[25:14] we did with the current fencing,

[25:15] um, I, I, can you recall what

[25:16] we did with that fencing and

[25:18] how much that was for the park.

[25:20] For the dumpster enclosure with

[25:21] the concrete and fencing, I

[25:22] think it was right around

[25:24] 15,000.

[25:24] So it

[25:25] s not that we don

[25:25] t or

[25:25] can

[25:27] t. I think we have to look

[25:28] at our current budget and any

[25:29] additional carry-ons that we

[25:31] want to look at our future.

[25:33] This is a particular park that

[25:33] doesn

[25:35] t have uh plumbed in a

[25:37] restroom location facility, so

[25:38] at this point in time, that is

[25:39] the current location that we

[25:41] have available. Uh, we can look

[25:43] at doing other locations around

[25:44] there that MAY be out of that,

[25:44] but I don

[25:45] t think you could

[25:46] have ever really treat high,

[25:48] hide it, if you will, or

[25:49] relocate it unless you do a

[25:50] full enclosure, which again

[25:52] comes at a cost because you

[25:53] can

[25:54] t just really fence fit

[25:54] part

[25:55] ial ly You have to do it about

[25:56] 3 quarters away. I mean if you

[25:57] ever change, you have to build

[25:59] it out for an ada accessible

[26:00] one. So the footprint of the

[26:02] actual concrete and the fixing

[26:03] around it, um, and again, we

[26:05] look at no maintenance fencing

[26:07] because if you do one, it

[26:07] s at

[26:08] the risk of happening and

[26:09] starting fire, which happened

[26:11] now in a valley and again,

[26:14] hence why we had to spend 12

[26:14] $13,000. So it

[26:15] s something we

[26:16] can definitely take into

[26:17] consideration. I would be

[26:18] remiss to want to remove from

[26:19] that location because that

[26:20] s

[26:21] the only restroom available for

[26:23] those picklebogglers, which is

[26:24] heavily utilized. So again, we

[26:24] can

[26:26] look and assess the space, um,

[26:28] and if we

[26:29] can

[26:30] she is in a viable option this

[26:31] year, we

[26:31] ll, we

[26:31] ll definitely

[26:33] try to consider it, but

[26:36] again, I, I failed to set a

[26:37] precedent for every, you know,

[26:39] 30-some

[26:40] um restrooms within our park

[26:41] system that we have some level

[26:42] of full closure.

[26:43] Right

[26:45] And I have one more question.

[26:47] Um

[26:49] I think the dumpster that was

[26:49] there here it

[26:50] s just another

[26:50] solution. I

[26:51] m going to just

[26:53] throw this out here and for

[26:54] discussion are just food for

[26:57] thought, but the dumpster

[26:59] originally was at South Valley

[27:01] Park before the remodel, and

[27:03] then it was moved up to North

[27:06] Valley Park in its current

[27:07] location and um there

[27:07] s no

[27:09] housing around

[27:11] South Valley Park or maybe you

[27:12] can move the dumpster there or

[27:14] some other location by the city

[27:16] shop because I do know that

[27:17] trash from other parks are

[27:18] coming there and it

[27:19] s getting

[27:21] transferred in and then

[27:23] the uh waste holler was picking

[27:24] it up and the fence is great.

[27:24] That

[27:26] s helped out a lot. But

[27:27] here it

[27:28] s just another low-cost

[27:30] option. Maybe you could uh move

[27:33] the dumpster and then put the

[27:34] uh outhouse seat handicap

[27:36] accessible outhouse there, put

[27:37] it like a nice little fence in

[27:39] the grades there, the floor

[27:39] s

[27:40] there, and they can just walk

[27:42] in. So that would just be

[27:44] another solution for you to

[27:46] consider also. Ok. Thank you

[27:47] very much and, and if it

[27:48] s, uh

[27:48] if it

[27:49] s, if you

[27:49] re satisfied

[27:51] with this, the staff has heard

[27:51] you and they

[27:53] ll take a, take

[27:55] this into consideration in

[27:57] terms of future planning. Great.

[27:58] I appreciate you coming. Thank

[28:00] you, thank you very much.

[28:02] Thanks for the fence around the

[28:03] dumpster. You

[28:04] re welcome. Take

[28:06] care. All right, take care.

[28:08] Thanks. Thank you.

[28:09] Ok doke

[28:10] Um, we

[28:11] re gonna move on then to

[28:14] unfinished business. No items,

[28:16] uh, are, are coming back from a

[28:18] previous meeting for us to be,

[28:20] uh, uh, addressing, but we will

[28:22] move on to the regular agenda

[28:23] and Adam has both of these

[28:25] items. The first having to do

[28:27] with getting back to uh talking

[28:28] again about the angel of Hope

[28:31] Memorial. We had a work session

[28:33] uh regarding this, um, I

[28:35] visited the site in Woodbury,

[28:35] and we

[28:37] ve gotten information.

[28:37] Adam

[28:38] s gotten some information

[28:39] about others, and so, uh, we

[28:40] re

[28:40] here

[28:42] to, uh, to, uh, see where we go

[28:45] forward with it.

[28:47] Ok, good evening, Commissioner

[28:48] Adam Moss, Park and Recreation

[28:51] director, um, this evening as

[28:53] Commissioner Cook had indicated,

[28:55] uh, I will be presenting uh

[28:57] what just happened

[28:59] on yourself

[29:03] No, there we go. Ok. I

[29:03] ll be

[29:04] presenting on the proposed

[29:06] Angel of Hope Memorial, um,

[29:07] somewhere within our park

[29:07] system, so I

[29:08] ll give, provide a

[29:10] little background, um, a lot of

[29:11] this is being pulled from our

[29:12] work session that we had back

[29:13] in JULY. So we

[29:13] ll get a little

[29:14] bit of the details, but feel

[29:15] free at any point to ask

[29:17] questions.

[29:18] So this evening in front of you,

[29:21] a quest is for the prc to

[29:23] provide a recommendation to the

[29:25] city council on whether to

[29:27] support installation of Angel

[29:29] Hall Memorial site within our

[29:29] city

[29:31] s park system. Um, if that

[29:32] is something that this body

[29:35] would like to do, then the

[29:38] commission has also requested

[29:40] to present a recommendation, um,

[29:42] on the advicement of a location,

[29:44] uh, the general scope and

[29:46] design of the memorial space

[29:47] and then a uh potential fun

[29:49] ding approach that we, this

[29:50] body would like to recommend to

[29:51] the council.

[29:54] So just a little background, um,

[29:57] at the MAY 2025, Parker Re

[29:58] advisory Commission meeting. We

[30:00] had a resident propose a

[30:01] memorial to be incorporated

[30:02] within our park system and

[30:03] given a little bit of a

[30:04] background of why they felt

[30:05] like it was valuable for our

[30:07] system in this neighborhood in

[30:09] this community, um, after that,

[30:12] as a result of that, the pa

[30:13] directed staff to coordinate a

[30:15] work session and do a little

[30:16] homework and research on some

[30:17] other communities within our

[30:19] state that MAY have this same

[30:20] memorial, so, um, that has

[30:21] since happened

[30:23] Um, so on JULY 30th, as I

[30:24] indicated earlier, uh, we did

[30:27] have a scheduled work session

[30:28] specifically on this item to go

[30:30] into a little bit more detail

[30:34] on how 1 MAY um come to have

[30:36] aang Hope Memorial site within

[30:38] our community.

[30:39] So what you MAY ask is Angel

[30:41] Hope for some of you who MAY

[30:42] not have been at the work

[30:44] session or um for those that

[30:45] are watching, it is actually

[30:47] based off and inspired by the

[30:48] angelful book. It

[30:49] s actually

[30:51] the Christmas box. Um, so that

[30:52] is the angel of Hope, and it

[30:52] s,

[30:54] it really tells that fictional

[30:56] story of a, uh, a family or or

[30:58] a wife in mourning of her child

[31:00] at the angel at the base of an

[31:01] angel monument. So a lot of

[31:03] this ties as to a larger

[31:05] network throughout the country,

[31:06] um, which you

[31:07] ll see that this

[31:08] network is really

[31:09] for not just the United States,

[31:11] we have a couple different ones

[31:12] in different countries, but

[31:14] over the United States, there

[31:14] s

[31:16] about 120 locations that have

[31:19] an angel Hope Memorial that

[31:20] recognize the loss of not just

[31:22] children, um as you think of

[31:23] young children, it

[31:23] s just a

[31:25] child in general. Um, so the

[31:26] first one was in Salt Lake City

[31:27] and that

[31:28] s where the kind of

[31:29] the basis where this all

[31:30] started. So you MAY ask, well,

[31:32] can we just do any angel? Um,

[31:34] yeah, sure we could, uh, but

[31:36] the way this operates and

[31:37] functions to some degree, what

[31:39] was requested of the resident

[31:40] was to be part of this kind of

[31:42] network of angel of hope. So

[31:42] it

[31:44] s recognized as a space uh

[31:46] for you to come and, and, um,

[31:47] and

[31:49] pay respects in that regard.

[31:52] So the angel Holt statue itself

[31:54] is roughly about 4 ft high, has

[31:57] a wingspan of about 5 ft. Um,

[31:58] and the the diameter of the

[32:01] base is about 22 inches. So

[32:03] again, these are all the same

[32:05] angel. So all 120 of them are

[32:07] this exact angel. That creates

[32:08] them a part of the network,

[32:10] which is ultimately a part of

[32:11] the Christmas box.

[32:13] Um book and, and, and

[32:14] philosophy. Um

[32:15] it

[32:17] s made about a half-inch

[32:19] thick bronze, um

[32:19] it

[32:21] s mostly hollow by the feet.

[32:23] Um, there are some metagorments

[32:24] on the bottom of the angel, and

[32:26] it can be skeered secured to a

[32:28] pedestal, um, so again, it

[32:29] s

[32:30] best to be used with stainless

[32:32] steel, uh, rebar attaching that

[32:34] to the base, um, so that

[32:34] s

[32:35] secure. So as we do a little

[32:36] bit more of the, as I did a

[32:38] little bit more of the research,

[32:38] we

[32:39] ll show some examples of

[32:40] what this looks like in some

[32:42] neighboring communities.

[32:43] So as it currently stands, as

[32:46] you look at the website, um,

[32:47] this particular angels roughly

[32:49] about $18,000. That

[32:50] s just

[32:52] shipping, handling, the actual

[32:54] angel itself, shipped to our

[32:55] community.

[32:57] Um, this could, this cost does

[33:01] not include any type of base,

[33:02] landscaping, design, um,

[33:03] anything to that effect. It

[33:03] s

[33:05] strictly just for the angel, ok?

[33:07] Um, what they show on their

[33:07] website, they

[33:08] re roughly

[33:09] depending on how ornate you

[33:11] want to get anywhere from 300

[33:14] to $6000 for a base. So try to

[33:15] think about that incorporated

[33:16] that in the price as well.

[33:16] That

[33:17] s just for literally to

[33:18] stand up in one spot.

[33:20] Ok.

[33:22] So some of the locations that

[33:23] are throughout the state and

[33:24] looks like there

[33:25] s maybe about

[33:27] 10 city municipal, public open

[33:29] spaces that incorporate the

[33:29] angel of Hope. As you

[33:30] ll see in

[33:31] front of you, those are the 10,

[33:32] um, the 3 that we did a little

[33:35] bit more homework on and

[33:36] investigation was the city of

[33:37] Duluth.

[33:39] Woodbury, and Maple Grove.

[33:39] So I

[33:41] ll get a little bit more

[33:42] of the details on how it came

[33:45] to be for them as well.

[33:47] So as you think about those

[33:49] three cities, um, through

[33:50] partnership is really how it

[33:52] came about, very similar to

[33:52] what

[33:54] s this process could look

[33:56] like a resident or a group of

[33:57] people came to the city,

[33:58] approached him and said, hey,

[33:58] we

[34:01] d really like to see this

[34:03] monument memorial somewhere

[34:04] within our community. Would you

[34:06] be willing to be the host site

[34:08] or allow this to be a part of

[34:09] your public open space or

[34:11] public park.

[34:13] Um, these, in many cases

[34:15] between the three cities, um,

[34:16] Duluth, Maple Grove, and

[34:18] Woodbury, some level of

[34:19] fundraising and nonprofit was

[34:21] created in order to get, if you

[34:24] will, the seed capital money to

[34:27] get the angel statue, the base,

[34:30] and some level of sight

[34:31] construction

[34:31] And, and I

[34:32] ll go through each

[34:33] kind of what each of these

[34:34] cities went through.

[34:36] Um, another thing to make sure

[34:39] they kind of think about and

[34:41] consider that part of the the

[34:42] Christmas box story and the

[34:45] statue itself, um, the monument

[34:47] must have some

[34:49] indication that on DECEMBER 6th

[34:51] at 7 P.M. Is a public gathering

[34:53] space to kind of honor those

[34:54] that have been lost.

[34:56] So that needs to some degree,

[34:57] not necessarily be fully

[34:58] incorporated in the, the

[34:59] placard, but it needs to be

[35:00] represented in some way, shape

[35:02] or form. And what I will say is

[35:03] most people that know the angel

[35:05] of Hope and they know where to

[35:06] find the website. We

[35:06] d be

[35:07] listed on the kind of that

[35:10] registry of the all 120, so

[35:10] there

[35:11] d be a level of an

[35:13] expectation that you kind of

[35:14] want to think about being able

[35:15] to house people that want to

[35:16] come together, that specific

[35:19] day. Now they can come 365, but

[35:21] on DECEMBER 6th at 7 P.M., it

[35:22] is definitely meant to be a

[35:24] gathering space.

[35:27] So if we were to go down this

[35:28] avenue and again we

[35:28] re not

[35:30] talking about funding yet, um,

[35:31] to order it itself.

[35:33] Um, we have to go through

[35:35] Richard Paul Evans Inc. That is

[35:37] the author of The Christmas Box

[35:39] book to again to be a part of

[35:40] this broader network, um, and,

[35:42] and we can really kind of say

[35:43] within the placard whatever we

[35:46] want, but we must include this

[35:47] include this phrase. Uh, this

[35:50] is a Christmas Box angel statue.

[35:50] It

[35:52] s from the Richard, um.

[35:52] Well I

[35:53] m sorry, my apologies.

[35:55] This is where you actually have

[35:56] to order it from. The, the

[35:57] actual inscription will be

[35:58] coming soon.

[36:01] Um, but before we can order any

[36:03] type of um

[36:04] for it to be placed, it must be

[36:06] 50%

[36:08] cost down, down payment.

[36:09] And then the balance would be

[36:10] fully done when it

[36:10] s done

[36:12] through the 4, the foundry, and

[36:12] that

[36:14] s the remaining balance.

[36:16] It takes roughly about 3 months,

[36:16] and that

[36:17] s depending on the

[36:19] foundry workload.

[36:20] So I

[36:21] ll get back to the

[36:23] inscription shortly. So in

[36:24] Duluth, these are some images

[36:26] from the kind of the space,

[36:28] memorial site of what Duluth

[36:30] currently has. Um, I could say

[36:32] this is kind of based on my um

[36:33] discussions with the director

[36:34] of Parks and Recreation in

[36:36] Duluth. Um, this is not the

[36:37] original space. Things have

[36:38] been updated. Things have been

[36:40] improved over time, um, but

[36:42] this is what it currently looks

[36:42] like as you

[36:43] ll see in, let me

[36:49] see if I can highlight this.

[36:51] These bricks, these are the,

[36:53] the memorial bricks.

[36:55] So these are what individuals

[36:57] will pay to do a memorial brick

[36:58] or a donation brick, and then

[37:00] they can get their inscription.

[37:01] There are guidelines of what

[37:02] could be put on there, if you

[37:04] will, from a length perspective,

[37:04] but usually they

[37:04] re in memory

[37:07] of.

[37:11] Commissioner for the memory of

[37:13] uh bricks or any other type

[37:15] that other cities use there a

[37:16] requirement that you must be a

[37:18] resident of that city to get

[37:21] your brick in this case or not

[37:21] really, or we don

[37:22] t know.

[37:23] Based on my research, no, I

[37:25] think anybody could to secure

[37:26] brick, they just have to pay

[37:31] the fee.

[37:32] Um, so as you look at this,

[37:33] these are ones that are bricked

[37:34] on the ground and as you

[37:35] ll see

[37:37] going back to the, they

[37:39] surround the actual statue, um,

[37:40] themselves. And then they

[37:41] re

[37:42] sitting around, um, this

[37:46] location. So this particular

[37:47] memorial location site. It is

[37:48] definitely off the beaten path,

[37:50] if you will, but it is not too

[37:51] far off the boardwalk. So you

[37:52] have to be intentional to go

[37:53] there. It

[37:54] s not kind of right

[37:55] there upfront and personal, but

[37:57] you can find it within their

[37:59] system.

[38:01] Adam, did you say that wasn

[38:01] t

[38:04] the original placement or that

[38:05] they have built around it. They,

[38:06] they

[38:06] ve to some degree

[38:08] operating capital costs have

[38:10] upgraded landscaping and things

[38:10] around it, but it

[38:11] s original

[38:12] location, uh, but they

[38:12] ve added

[38:13] additional landscape and a lot

[38:14] of rehab on the bricks, and

[38:15] we

[38:15] ll get a little bit further

[38:17] into that as well. Um, so it

[38:17] s

[38:19] always making sure that it

[38:21] looks nice and and is

[38:22] functional and things as time

[38:25] goes on, grade changes, winters

[38:26] happen, so you have to do some

[38:27] upgrades and then

[38:28] reinforcements of things. Well,

[38:29] I don

[38:29] t want to jump

[38:30] ahead if you

[38:32] re going to

[38:34] recommend places as opposed to

[38:36] us coming up with places, but

[38:37] it just made me think that

[38:37] maybe that

[38:39] s something to think

[38:40] about that it could

[38:41] establish a place that we

[38:42] eventually

[38:44] add to as time goes on or

[38:45] whatever so.

[38:46] Ok.

[38:47] So this is, it

[38:47] s actually in

[38:50] Leif Ericson Park in Duluth, um,

[38:53] an issue is privately funded

[38:54] upfront, um, what it looked

[38:55] like is in today

[38:56] s dollars, if

[38:57] you will, this is kind of a

[38:59] little bit of an escalation, if

[39:00] you will, back then when they

[39:03] built it, I was around $25 to

[39:04] 35,000. But now if you

[39:04] re

[39:07] looking at that same type of

[39:08] grade changing landscaping,

[39:10] stopping electrical and water

[39:11] and utility. You

[39:11] re looking at

[39:13] anywhere from $7500 to $100,000.

[39:14] Um, that

[39:16] s an estimation. So

[39:16] the city

[39:17] s contribution was in

[39:19] kind to land donation, if you

[39:19] will. It

[39:20] s public and open. So

[39:22] the city actually owns it, um,

[39:23] and then there

[39:23] s annual

[39:25] maintenance to this, uh, it

[39:25] doesn

[39:26] t just kind of take care

[39:28] of itself once you, you build

[39:30] it and just no maintenance. So

[39:32] they had to anticipate given

[39:33] that because it

[39:34] s brick that

[39:35] any time that, you know, brick

[39:36] deteriorates over the winter,

[39:37] they have to do replacement. So

[39:38] we

[39:38] ll get a little bit more

[39:39] into why we would probably not

[39:41] recommend that if we went in

[39:42] this direction. And then me,

[39:43] Adam.

[39:44] And if there are changes made

[39:45] like you meant there were some

[39:47] uh

[39:49] upgrading of the site, you know,

[39:51] into Duluth. This once the city

[39:54] is accepted it, this then is on

[39:57] the city is in uh to bear the

[39:59] cost of that? Is, is that right?

[40:00] Yeah, correct. If we look at,

[40:02] depending on how we wanna

[40:03] structure this, if you will, if,

[40:06] if the city wants a fully

[40:07] pay all the costs, and

[40:08] inevitably it is ours anyway.

[40:10] We would have to manage that

[40:12] operating in capital. If we

[40:14] receive a donation in, in for a

[40:15] memorial or a monument or

[40:18] statue, we would follow our

[40:19] policy, which would then again

[40:21] really come back to this body

[40:22] again to accept a donation, but

[40:23] we haven

[40:24] t gotten to that point

[40:25] yet where we know how this is

[40:28] going to be funded. So yes,

[40:30] more than likely either we have

[40:31] a nonprofit group that

[40:31] s either

[40:32] formulator that comes through

[40:33] and says, you know, we

[40:34] d like

[40:35] to donate this

[40:37] and then it stops there, or do

[40:38] we look at doing a memorandum

[40:40] of understanding or a letter of

[40:41] agreement saying here

[40:41] s what

[40:42] we

[40:42] re responsible, here

[40:43] s what

[40:43] you

[40:44] re responsible for. So

[40:44] that

[40:46] s what the city of

[40:47] Woodbury did and I

[40:48] ll kind of

[40:49] go a little bit further into

[40:51] that. So right now, the city of

[40:53] Duluth fully operates

[40:55] this, this entire space and

[40:55] it

[40:57] s there in the owner.

[40:59] Um, so the memorial bricks,

[41:00] which were laid again

[41:02] surrounding the actual statute

[41:03] itself, only twice a year can

[41:05] you purchase that.

[41:05] So it

[41:06] s not ongoing because

[41:07] then there

[41:07] s a certain time

[41:09] they place the bricks in, rehab

[41:10] any of the old bricks, so

[41:12] instead of it, it

[41:12] s really

[41:13] cumbersome. So it

[41:13] s, they only

[41:15] do it twice a year and right

[41:15] now it

[41:16] s $85 a brick.

[41:18] So if you went to the City of

[41:20] Duluth website. You can find

[41:21] this information, click on it,

[41:22] Angel of Hope. I

[41:23] d like to do a

[41:24] brick and then it kind of walks

[41:26] you through an application form,

[41:28] if you will, or request form,

[41:29] and then they tell you what the

[41:30] cost is, what, you know, how

[41:32] much, you know, words that you

[41:33] could put on it and things like

[41:35] that.

[41:37] So this is some photos of

[41:39] Woodbury, a little bit more, I

[41:41] would say robust if you will,

[41:44] if you look at the amount of

[41:46] stamp concrete and benching and

[41:48] landscaping. Again, this is one

[41:48] that

[41:50] s recently completed, I

[41:52] think back in 22 or 23, um, so

[41:54] again, very similar statue or

[41:57] the exact same statue, um, but

[42:00] this is actually at their um

[42:01] City Hall campus and Memorial

[42:03] Park, which is adjacent to the

[42:05] city hall itself, so they um

[42:06] were approached by a group

[42:08] of individuals which then

[42:11] created a Woodbury Foundation,

[42:13] and then essentially raised

[42:15] roughly 2 quarter of a million

[42:17] dollars for this particular

[42:19] site location. So again, pretty

[42:22] robust, pretty elaborate, um,

[42:25] again, this includes stubborn

[42:28] and utility, electric

[42:28] um

[42:29] water. So those weren

[42:30] t

[42:31] originally there. So again you

[42:32] can illuminate it at night and

[42:34] you can water all the plantings

[42:35] surrounding it. So those are

[42:36] things that have to be

[42:37] considered as you think about

[42:40] location.

[42:41] Um, again, the city

[42:42] s

[42:42] contribution, it

[42:43] s within the

[42:45] park and then speaking to the

[42:45] director, we

[42:45] re looking at

[42:49] roughly about a $5000 annual

[42:50] maintenance. So as you

[42:51] ll see

[42:52] in this particular

[42:53] shot, so instead of bricks that

[42:56] they have laid like the city of

[42:58] Deluted, they have placards

[42:58] So they

[42:59] ve also built this out

[43:02] to have an additional 3 or 4

[43:04] placards available if they need

[43:06] to insert those. So from a

[43:07] maintenance perspective this is

[43:09] would be what we would look at

[43:11] recommended. We would not look

[43:13] at doing any level of bricks in

[43:15] the ground just given our

[43:16] Minnesota winters and a

[43:17] placard

[43:18] s relatively easy to

[43:19] replace if it

[43:20] s damaged to some

[43:22] degree, um, and then, yeah, we

[43:24] look at that type of a model

[43:26] and so if you look in this

[43:26] particular one, there

[43:27] s 4 back

[43:28] here. I think they

[43:29] built it out where they could

[43:31] have 3 additional on each side.

[43:31] If if needed. Let

[43:32] s hope they

[43:32] don

[43:33] t need it, but if needed.

[43:36] Adam, do you know if the, did

[43:37] the foundation sort of decide

[43:40] on where it was placed and the

[43:41] landscaping around it, or is

[43:43] that done in conjunction with

[43:45] the park board or with staff.

[43:46] Yeah, so it

[43:48] s my understanding

[43:49] that um kind of very similar to

[43:51] this process. The they were

[43:53] engaged by several residents,

[43:53] and the residents said, hey, we

[43:56] want to come with some money to

[43:57] do this. And so what they ended

[43:59] up doing is they engaged the

[44:00] city and went through the, I

[44:02] believe the commission and then

[44:04] through council ultimately and

[44:04] ultimately

[44:06] as the outcome of that, they

[44:07] came fully in hand with all the,

[44:10] the, the funding part. Now the

[44:12] city through in kind to is my

[44:13] understanding also provided

[44:15] some internal data park planner

[44:16] that supported these efforts,

[44:18] more or less landscape

[44:20] architecture design to help,

[44:21] you know, create this space

[44:24] based on what the city probably

[44:26] wanted along in collaboration

[44:27] and partnership with this group,

[44:29] um, so that because we

[44:30] ultimately the the city itself

[44:31] had to maintain it. So there

[44:33] were some in-kind to services

[44:35] is my understanding. But this

[44:38] also resulted in a, in a mou.

[44:39] So a memorandum of

[44:40] understanding with this

[44:42] particular nonprofit, uh,

[44:44] Woodbury Community Foundation.

[44:47] So there actually is a, a, a

[44:48] clear definition of who

[44:48] s

[44:50] responsible for what, when and

[44:50] where. So as you

[44:51] ll see on this

[44:53] one, the memorial plaques, the

[44:54] foundation manages it.

[44:57] Where in Duluth the cities it.

[44:59] So they would, so if you go to

[45:01] the Maple, uh Woodbury site,

[45:01] click on I

[45:02] d like to do a

[45:04] placard. It redirect you to a

[45:05] third party website.

[45:06] Or if you do a Duluth, it goes

[45:07] through the city.

[45:09] Ok.

[45:13] But again, when you think about

[45:14] traditional operating costs,

[45:15] it

[45:16] s time, resources and

[45:17] materials. So, given this is

[45:18] near their city hall, and it

[45:18] s

[45:21] kind of one of the premier

[45:22] locations. Um, they

[45:23] re still

[45:25] doing a level of snow removal,

[45:25] right? So that

[45:25] s another thing

[45:27] that we need to consider how

[45:28] accessible is this gonna be

[45:31] year round? Is it seasonal? So,

[45:32] uh, Commissioner Coach, you had

[45:33] indicated that you went to this.

[45:34] Do you have any comments based

[45:34] on what you

[45:36] ve seen at this

[45:37] location? It

[45:37] s just that, uh,

[45:38] you know, there, there

[45:39] s a,

[45:39] there

[45:40] s an area,

[45:42] uh off if you face the city

[45:43] hall, off to the left of the

[45:45] city hall where there

[45:46] s some

[45:47] land and there

[45:49] s a veterans

[45:51] memorial site similar to kind

[45:52] of what we have, uh, so there

[45:52] s

[45:54] a path to that and then there

[45:54] s

[45:56] a path that goes around that,

[45:56] so you can

[45:58] t actually see the

[45:59] Angel of Hope site and to get

[46:01] around the path and that then

[46:03] is set back to a side. So it

[46:04] s

[46:04] private, it

[46:06] s accessible, and

[46:06] it

[46:09] s part of the um memorial,

[46:10] uh, area that that

[46:11] s by

[46:12] the city hall, but it

[46:12] s not

[46:14] right next to the city hall.

[46:14] It

[46:15] s not across from it. It

[46:15] s

[46:16] adjacent to it. So it

[46:17] s really

[46:19] a nice kind of layout that they

[46:21] have there.

[46:24] Thank you for that.

[46:26] So this is Maple Grove, and

[46:27] this is adjacent to the

[46:30] arboretum. So again, placement

[46:32] location does mean quite a bit.

[46:33] So, as you

[46:35] ll see, this is

[46:37] pretty elaborate landscaping

[46:39] design, um, but I will say this

[46:40] and in my next slide, there

[46:41] s a

[46:42] substantial upgrade recently

[46:44] and back in 2017.

[46:46] So they do also have the bricks.

[46:48] You kind of see them, they

[46:48] re

[46:50] notated surrounding it. There,

[46:52] I, I believe that some level of

[46:53] granite stone. So again, they

[46:55] put some money into this

[46:56] particular one.

[46:58] Is this the upgraded look that

[46:58] we

[47:01] re seeing is upgraded

[47:02] Um, so again, it

[47:03] s near the

[47:05] arboretum. Um, this is public

[47:07] and privately funded, so the

[47:10] expansion, um, and in 2017

[47:12] because this predated my my

[47:14] contact over there, um, they

[47:16] believe it was fully funded by

[47:18] a nonprofit group to begin with,

[47:21] but in the expansion, um, and

[47:23] the upgrades in 2017, the city

[47:25] put in about $175,000.

[47:26] Um, and then the privately

[47:27] funded, you looked at another

[47:28] 75,000.

[47:30] So

[47:32] um, again, the city

[47:33] contribution is not just the

[47:35] land in this case, um, but

[47:36] there also is roughly about

[47:38] another $5000 in annual

[47:40] maintenance, um, memorial

[47:43] bricks. This is also managed by

[47:44] the city itself.

[47:45] And the, and I forgot to

[47:46] mention, um, all the city ones

[47:48] they do twice a year.

[47:48] I don

[47:50] t recall what the non uh

[47:51] the other group did in Woodbury,

[47:52] but I believe there are twice a

[47:54] year as well. They have a

[47:55] little bit more flexibility

[47:55] because they

[47:56] re on those stand

[47:57] up placards, so it

[47:58] s a little

[48:00] bit easier to manage than it is

[48:02] with the actual Brooks inlanded

[48:02] in the ground.

[48:05] And there are about $125 a

[48:08] brick, and I believe

[48:10] the um 200 to $300 for the

[48:12] placard. Part of what this

[48:14] particular group does as well.

[48:15] These are fundraising efforts.

[48:17] So they help with a little bit

[48:18] of that capital upfront cost.

[48:19] So that placard, again, I

[48:20] m

[48:22] just making the assumptions

[48:24] here that placard MAY cost

[48:27] a total of $25 to actually make,

[48:29] but everything else will go

[48:30] towards capital investment,

[48:31] capital improvements, things

[48:37] like that, um

[48:39] so things to consider for this

[48:43] body is if we want to pursue,

[48:44] um, this particular proposal

[48:47] from this resident is funding.

[48:49] Um, upfront capital costs and

[48:50] then the annual operating costs.

[48:50] Where

[48:51] s the money going to come

[48:53] from for this project?

[48:54] Um, how are we gonna pay for it

[48:55] year in and year out.

[48:58] As

[49:00] uh commissioner

[49:01] Barker indicated

[49:03] where should the best location

[49:03] be? Make sure it

[49:05] s accessible.

[49:07] Do we want to consider and make

[49:07] sure there

[49:08] s some privacy and

[49:11] seclusion. Um, do we, you know

[49:14] very similar to the, the, the

[49:16] Luthan and Woodbury location,

[49:18] you want to choose to be there

[49:19] versus just being the first

[49:20] thing that you see. You have to

[49:23] make a, a, a, a calculated

[49:24] decision to go in that

[49:24] direction.

[49:26] Do go on there to make sure

[49:26] there

[49:27] s natural space and area

[49:29] around it.

[49:31] And again, the design could be

[49:34] as simplistic or innate or

[49:36] elaborate robusts, we

[49:36] d like to

[49:37] see, um, but again, that

[49:38] s part

[49:40] of what the discussion kind of

[49:41] went through as we thought

[49:42] about there in the work session.

[49:43] And then here

[49:44] s where I met

[49:45] there was a required plaque on

[49:47] the base, on the Christmas Box

[49:49] angel and, and that the

[49:50] DECEMBER 6th marks the annual

[49:52] gathering for people who have

[49:53] lost a child. So that is part

[49:56] of the requirement

[49:56] from the maker, so it

[49:57] s nothing

[49:59] that we can really get away. We

[50:01] can request some alteration in

[50:02] language, which I

[50:04] ll show in

[50:06] the actual uh maple grove and

[50:08] Woodbury one

[50:11] and also the positioning. The

[50:13] plaque was positioned at the,

[50:16] at the back side. So if you can

[50:18] tell this is Maple Grove, you

[50:18] don

[50:18] t see that placard or the

[50:21] engraving, correct?

[50:22] And then we

[50:23] ll go to Woodbury.

[50:23] You don

[50:24] t see it anywhere there.

[50:24] I

[50:25] m going to show you where

[50:25] they

[50:27] re actually at and, and a

[50:30] couple slides here.

[50:32] So at the work session we

[50:33] talked about several different

[50:34] locations, but these were the

[50:37] three that we kind of landed on

[50:39] a potential locations to

[50:43] consider for a potential final

[50:44] resting spot for the statute if

[50:45] we consider it. Heritage

[50:47] Village Park being one, Salem

[50:48] Hills Park, and then River

[50:49] Heights Park.

[50:52] So if we were to consider

[50:53] heritage, this is not an end

[50:56] all be all. Um

[50:59] we thought about a location, so

[51:01] this particular parking lot,

[51:02] that it

[51:03] s all been redone and

[51:04] now we have an expansion of the

[51:06] parking lot. So we have a

[51:07] parking lot that expanded this

[51:09] way and then we have an

[51:10] additional trail connectivity

[51:11] that connects to this internal

[51:13] trail. Then if you were to go

[51:14] northbound on that internal

[51:15] trail, then then you connect to

[51:17] the greenway. Is there a

[51:19] potential space in this. This

[51:21] is all relatively flat

[51:22] Um, the one thing you have to

[51:23] consider if we wanted to

[51:24] illuminate it or irrigate it,

[51:25] we currently don

[51:25] t have

[51:27] anything stubbed in that far

[51:27] north. We

[51:28] ve worked some

[51:30] irrigation and we could

[51:31] potentially tap into, but I

[51:31] think if you

[51:34] re looking at any

[51:35] level of electrical

[51:36] illumination. We

[51:37] re a little

[51:38] bit further down the road of

[51:39] that actually truly ever

[51:41] happening until we look at that

[51:42] 6th and final phase of Heritage

[51:44] Village Park, Park, which

[51:45] includes some shelters as well

[51:47] in this northern half.

[51:48] Are those other three that you

[51:51] showed us, are those lit up

[51:53] Um, Maple Grove and Woodbury, I

[51:54] believe, are, I don

[51:54] t believe

[51:57] Duluth is. There MAY be some

[51:58] safety lighting along the trail

[52:00] or as you enter it, but I

[52:02] believe Woodbury and Maple

[52:03] Grove are illuminated within

[52:04] the space. So some of the

[52:06] lights were actually engraved

[52:06] or they

[52:07] re inlaid within the

[52:09] concrete at at the Woodbury one.

[52:12] So they kind of cast light up.

[52:15] So this red circle identifies a

[52:16] potential. It

[52:17] s not the only

[52:18] spot or opportunity, but this

[52:21] would give you that nature feel.

[52:22] You have to be intentional, and

[52:22] wouldn

[52:23] t be the first thing

[52:24] that you see, you

[52:25] d have to go

[52:26] make a concerted effort to walk

[52:29] in that location. Now one thing

[52:30] to consider, um

[52:31] not that it

[52:32] s ideal, but just

[52:34] north of this is the gun range,

[52:36] Saint Paulun Range, which is

[52:38] not going anywhere. Um

[52:41] you run that same type of

[52:42] you hear those same type of

[52:43] sounds whether you

[52:44] re on the

[52:44] splash pad, you

[52:45] re doing the

[52:46] playground, you have the

[52:48] inclusive or the dog park,

[52:49] you

[52:51] re still within this space

[52:53] daily, young and old. So, um,

[52:54] this is a community park.

[52:58] So there it can accommodate

[52:59] more parking, that can

[53:00] accommodate that potential

[53:02] DECEMBER, you know, 7th meeting

[53:04] date, um, again, things to

[53:05] consider

[53:08] So that was one location

[53:08] we have, I

[53:11] m sorry to

[53:13] Salem Hills Park was another

[53:14] option or thought. Again, we

[53:15] have a little bit, I already

[53:16] have a parking lot. We

[53:16] re

[53:18] already looking at expanding

[53:19] this location next year as far

[53:20] as the parking lot

[53:20] s concerned.

[53:23] Harmond Preserve is just due

[53:25] southwest of this location. Um,

[53:26] we do have some nurseries that

[53:29] we can maybe look at um

[53:31] scaling back a little bit. The

[53:33] nursery is for Austin.

[53:34] Plant additional trees within

[53:36] our park system. It would be

[53:37] off a pathway. There

[53:37] s an

[53:40] option here, we can again, as a

[53:43] simplistic, ornate as possible,

[53:43] um.

[53:45] Brian, can you let me know, do

[53:47] we have irrigation at this park?

[53:51] Garden has a spigot so a spigot

[53:52] so we could potentially tap

[53:53] into if we absolutely needed to.

[53:56] So again, these are some

[53:57] locations to think about these

[53:57] uh and they

[53:58] ll be all, but

[53:59] something that we could

[54:02] consider

[54:03] The third location that was

[54:04] discussed of River Heights Park.

[54:06] And again, this had

[54:08] accommodated a parking. This is

[54:09] not necessarily, I mean it is a

[54:11] neighborhood park, but it

[54:11] s a

[54:13] regional-esque given we have

[54:14] Harmon Preserve. So again, you

[54:16] have a little bit more traffic

[54:17] to some degree, but in nature

[54:17] it

[54:19] s a larger park

[54:20] So River Heights Park, if

[54:20] you

[54:21] ve not been, you should

[54:23] visit. It

[54:25] s a fantastic kind of

[54:28] natural paved paths, um, very

[54:30] passive, a very serene, very

[54:33] secluded and isolated, um, and

[54:35] where that red circle is, is

[54:36] where there is a potential,

[54:36] there

[54:37] s a nice grouping of

[54:39] trees that I could kind of,

[54:39] let

[54:41] s say hide behind, but it

[54:43] very similar to what Duluths

[54:44] look like

[54:45] Um, there

[54:45] s already kind of

[54:46] some landscape in there. We

[54:48] could look at enhancing that

[54:49] space, but one thing I would

[54:50] like to note is the parking

[54:50] s

[54:52] out here.

[54:53] It is kind of one of the first

[54:54] things that you would see

[54:57] um

[55:00] is it, does it meet the

[55:01] environmental aesthetic that

[55:04] you 1 MAY think to have. Yes,

[55:05] um, but again, not a

[55:05] neighborhood part or it

[55:06] s very

[55:07] much a neighborhood park with

[55:09] no other elements

[55:10] um for community gathering

[55:12] outside of would be just that

[55:13] space, and there is no parking.

[55:13] It

[55:14] d be street parking all

[55:15] night.

[55:16] And I don

[55:17] t think, I don

[55:17] t,

[55:17] there

[55:19] s not electric, is there

[55:19] water? There

[55:20] s no water either.

[55:20] I don

[55:22] t think there, yeah. So

[55:22] you

[55:23] d have to bring in utility

[55:25] from somewhere, which has a

[55:29] substantial cost.

[55:30] So as we think about and

[55:33] consider funding,

[55:35] do we look at privately funded

[55:37] only, all of it, a portion of

[55:39] it or none of it. City funding,

[55:41] all of it, portion or none of

[55:43] it, we can look at doing cash

[55:45] Um, we do have a, a potential

[55:47] couple of funds to look at and

[55:48] consider, both within parks,

[55:51] mainly within parks, or do we

[55:52] look at something like the host

[55:53] Community Fund.

[55:55] Um, but we also do in kind too.

[55:57] So part of the work session and,

[55:58] and, and

[56:00] Brian had indicated, depending

[56:02] on how ordinate we get or

[56:03] simplistic we get, we, our

[56:04] park

[56:04] s maintenance team has a

[56:06] really good skill set. They

[56:06] re

[56:07] great at projects. There

[56:08] s a

[56:10] lot of things that we can do,

[56:11] um, in-house. Uh, we would

[56:14] still want to hire out some

[56:15] landscape design or get some

[56:17] feedback from the design art um

[56:19] designer on it, but we can do a

[56:20] lot of things depending on

[56:20] where we

[56:22] re we we we locate

[56:23] this. I would say Heritage

[56:24] Village, it

[56:25] s probably the

[56:26] flattest, probably the easiest

[56:28] to manipulate in a way of we

[56:28] could do

[56:30] a lot of those things in-house,

[56:32] um

[56:33] somewhat similar with River

[56:35] Heights Park, I would say

[56:35] probably the most challenging

[56:37] to some degree would be Salem

[56:39] Hills, just given that its

[56:40] current slope angle. We

[56:40] d have

[56:42] to do quite a bit of either

[56:43] grading or bringing it up to

[56:44] grade. So

[56:45] something we can look at doing

[56:47] a more of an in-kind or do we

[56:49] do a combination of both, uh, a

[56:51] little private and city funds

[56:54] and in kind to, but um as I

[56:54] d

[56:56] indicated earlier, if the

[56:57] statute is donated by a private

[56:58] party,

[57:01] it would sell to cycle back

[57:03] through this body to accept the

[57:05] actual statue itself.

[57:05] That

[57:06] s what follows all of our

[57:09] current policy that I think we

[57:11] erected in 2022, um, for those

[57:12] of you remember at Heritage

[57:15] Village Park, we had the um

[57:18] monument of the uh covid first

[57:20] responders or essential workers,

[57:20] monument that

[57:21] s that heritage

[57:22] village, that process is

[57:23] created so that we can accept

[57:24] things like that and you

[57:25] d have

[57:26] to go through a process which

[57:27] includes coming back before

[57:28] this body if anything is

[57:29] donated.

[57:33] Ok

[57:34] So as you consider design,

[57:34] we

[57:36] ve talked about a couple of

[57:37] the things already. It could be

[57:41] simple, it could be elaborate

[57:42] uh, to commissioner Barker

[57:43] s

[57:44] comments

[57:46] Do we look at simplistic first

[57:47] with the opportunity to build

[57:49] up later, you know, you, you

[57:50] make sure that we have that

[57:51] space

[57:53] ok? Um, it could be small or

[57:55] medium, kind of in, in nature.

[57:57] So after having a little bit of

[57:58] discussion with Brian, a park

[58:00] superintendent, we thought, ok,

[58:00] that

[58:03] d be more about 50 by 50

[58:05] area space, small or medium

[58:06] location, but if you want to go

[58:09] a little bit larger, you

[58:09] re

[58:10] looking more towards something

[58:12] similar to like the size of the

[58:13] heritage village Park

[58:15] roundhouse shelter. So a little

[58:16] bit larger in nature, but it

[58:18] gives you maybe that you start

[58:19] small with the design, but you

[58:21] know that maybe your footprint

[58:23] from a larger location.

[58:26] Um, obviously, the scope of the

[58:29] design will determine the cost

[58:31] Um, connecting utilities is

[58:34] gonna be a huge component of

[58:34] costs.

[58:35] Um

[58:38] and then again, as I indicated

[58:38] the current site really

[58:40] dictated as well.

[58:41] Um

[58:42] I already mentioned the park

[58:44] staff being able to support it.

[58:47] And if we get to a point, and

[58:47] again that we

[58:48] re not at a point

[58:48] where we

[58:49] re fully designing

[58:49] this thing. That

[58:50] s not what

[58:50] s

[58:51] in front of you this evening,

[58:52] but it

[58:52] s really just trying to

[58:54] give a recommendation to

[58:56] council if we could go in that

[58:57] direction.

[58:58] Commissioner Torre, um, just to

[59:00] clarify

[59:01] has it been approved that we

[59:02] re

[59:02] moving forward or we

[59:03] re, we

[59:03] re

[59:04] still just at the

[59:06] this is what it would look like

[59:08] At this point in time, what is

[59:09] requested of this body this

[59:12] evening if the park andre a

[59:13] Baja Commission would recommend

[59:15] approving this to move forward,

[59:15] and we

[59:17] ll get into the exact

[59:17] details of what you

[59:17] re

[59:19] recommending.

[59:20] Yep

[59:21] So if we, if we did a little

[59:22] bit of ordinate and we wanted

[59:23] to look, hey, you know what,

[59:25] this needs to be ordinate. You

[59:26] would more than likely want to

[59:28] bring in some level of

[59:30] landscape architect or a

[59:31] landscape designer to help

[59:32] create what that looks like.

[59:34] And again, if we start small

[59:35] and like just get the statute

[59:37] and create that space and do

[59:38] some things smaller, but then

[59:40] we can look at it doing a

[59:42] little bit more of an elaborate

[59:43] design later on. We can do that

[59:45] as well, so.

[59:48] So as I indicated earlier, um

[59:50] between Maple Grove and

[59:52] Woodbury to your left is

[59:56] Woodberries, so the requirement

[59:59] of the actual inscription was

[1:00:01] the Christmas box angel. So

[1:00:02] they actually, if you look at

[1:00:03] this carefully enough, they did

[1:00:05] not have this is a gathering

[1:00:07] place on DECEMBER 7th.

[1:00:10] So they had to get written

[1:00:12] consent from the actual um

[1:00:14] artists.

[1:00:15] Paul Richard Paul Evans to do

[1:00:17] that. But they did talk about

[1:00:17] what it

[1:00:18] s for and then the

[1:00:19] dedication day.

[1:00:20] Ok.

[1:00:23] So when you look at Maple Grove

[1:00:26] they also said the Christmas

[1:00:27] box angel, but they also

[1:00:29] indicated the annual

[1:00:31] candlelight vigil DECEMBER 6th

[1:00:33] at 7 P.M. And with some

[1:00:35] additional um dedications, um,

[1:00:36] engraving.

[1:00:38] So we can deviate a little bit,

[1:00:39] but it does have to say this is

[1:00:40] the Christmas box angel.

[1:00:42] Um, we MAY not have to call out

[1:00:43] that it

[1:00:44] s the DECEMBER 6th

[1:00:46] marks the annual gathering

[1:00:47] space, as you

[1:00:48] ll see in

[1:00:49] Woodbury, it doesn

[1:00:49] t say that.

[1:00:50] In Maple Grove, it does say

[1:00:53] that. So there is a little bit

[1:00:54] of flexibility after we get

[1:01:00] approval from Richard Plevitz.

[1:01:02] So to Commissioner Torres

[1:01:03] s

[1:01:04] recent comment, what are we

[1:01:05] actually doing this evening?

[1:01:06] The question first and foremost,

[1:01:07] again, that

[1:01:08] s high level, and

[1:01:10] before we MAY begin this action

[1:01:11] request, does anybody have any

[1:01:13] additional questions for me? I

[1:01:13] know we

[1:01:14] ve kind of covered some

[1:01:15] of this within the work session

[1:01:17] on JULY, but this was a very

[1:01:19] high level quick.

[1:01:22] Presentation

[1:01:24] Question, um, have there been

[1:01:25] any other community members

[1:01:26] that have reached out that have

[1:01:27] talked about wanting this, that

[1:01:29] have shown interest in in

[1:01:30] having this, um, being one of

[1:01:32] our parks.

[1:01:32] Um, not that I

[1:01:33] m aware of. I

[1:01:34] ve

[1:01:36] not heard of any additional

[1:01:37] community members reaching out.

[1:01:39] I would say this, I believe in

[1:01:41] those other three cities. It

[1:01:44] was probably like a family or

[1:01:46] two. So typically brought forth

[1:01:49] by one group. Ok.

[1:01:51] Uh, do we know, do we know what

[1:01:53] that, uh

[1:01:55] process would be like, uh,

[1:01:56] working with the author on

[1:01:57] changes and that kind of stuff.

[1:01:59] Yeah, we would just put a

[1:02:01] request in, um, to the actual

[1:02:03] author to say we would have to

[1:02:04] create to make sure that it

[1:02:06] said

[1:02:08] um the Christmas box angel, and

[1:02:09] then we would indicate what

[1:02:09] we

[1:02:11] d like to say, and then we

[1:02:12] would just wait on the response.

[1:02:15] So for example, if we said, hey,

[1:02:15] we

[1:02:16] re interested in, we know

[1:02:18] this statement had to be there.

[1:02:18] We

[1:02:20] d want to put this following

[1:02:21] that, and that would either

[1:02:24] come by way of partnering with

[1:02:26] uh the donor or the community

[1:02:27] member proposed this or it just

[1:02:29] kind of what we decide as a

[1:02:33] city or staff.

[1:02:35] Other questions of Adam

[1:02:38] Yeah, I guess, has the city

[1:02:41] been in the process of like

[1:02:44] working with foundations before

[1:02:46] similar to what other cities

[1:02:48] did or is that going to be like

[1:02:50] a new process, um.

[1:02:50] I

[1:02:52] m not aware of any community

[1:02:54] foundations that the city of

[1:02:55] Immrove Heights

[1:02:57] um

[1:02:59] currently works with

[1:03:00] Um, so I can

[1:03:01] t say that I

[1:03:01] m

[1:03:02] familiar with anyone that we

[1:03:04] would now

[1:03:06] because other cities have

[1:03:08] worked with either essentially

[1:03:10] a nonprofit or a fundraising

[1:03:12] arm of some 501c3 doesn

[1:03:13] t

[1:03:13] necessarily mean that that

[1:03:14] s

[1:03:15] what this process would look

[1:03:15] like. So it

[1:03:16] s not a requirement.

[1:03:18] So for example, we could have a

[1:03:19] private donor and just say, hey,

[1:03:22] I would like to give $30,000 to

[1:03:23] this particular project

[1:03:25] unrelated to being a nonprofit

[1:03:27] group. So we want

[1:03:28] the city would not create a, a

[1:03:30] foundation or request a

[1:03:32] foundation or nonprofit for the

[1:03:34] donation to come through.

[1:03:35] The individual from the

[1:03:36] community who actually brought

[1:03:39] this to us mentioned that if

[1:03:41] there is an approval to move

[1:03:42] forward, you know, by the

[1:03:43] council that they will be

[1:03:46] reaching out to, you know, do,

[1:03:48] do a fundraising and, and

[1:03:50] gather other people so that I

[1:03:52] think waiting on that to see

[1:03:55] what develops in terms of, uh,

[1:03:55] whether it

[1:03:56] s a foundation or

[1:03:57] whether a bunch of individuals,

[1:04:00] but

[1:04:02] first order is, I think I just

[1:04:02] want to, is there any other

[1:04:03] questions before we get into

[1:04:04] action?

[1:04:06] Uh, yeah, do we have any other

[1:04:07] like

[1:04:09] past projects that are similar

[1:04:10] to this? Do we have any other

[1:04:13] monuments? Do we have any like

[1:04:13] different things that

[1:04:14] s related

[1:04:16] or would be a similar process.

[1:04:17] Anything like that that we can

[1:04:19] like kind of look back and be

[1:04:20] like, this was a good idea.

[1:04:23] This was not a good idea. Yeah,

[1:04:25] Commissioner Johnson, the only

[1:04:26] one thing I can point to is

[1:04:27] what I comment on a little bit

[1:04:28] earlier at Heritage Village

[1:04:30] Park, there is a monument for

[1:04:33] kind of

[1:04:34] um first responder kind of

[1:04:36] covid related, uh, monument

[1:04:37] that sits as you enter from the

[1:04:39] parking lot on the west side

[1:04:41] that went through, we, we

[1:04:42] created the body and the

[1:04:44] council created a monument

[1:04:46] memorial policy that required a

[1:04:48] process and a pathway to donate

[1:04:49] items like this, and that

[1:04:50] s the

[1:04:51] only thing I can really point

[1:04:53] to, um, in that particular

[1:04:55] monument was fully donated to

[1:04:57] the city, so this body also

[1:04:59] worked through at the time

[1:05:01] placement, location, um, so

[1:05:01] essentially once

[1:05:03] it was donated, we now own it

[1:05:05] and inherit it, and we decide

[1:05:06] what happens with it moving

[1:05:08] forward. So there

[1:05:10] s no ties to

[1:05:11] us, for example, and I

[1:05:11] m not

[1:05:12] saying this would happen, if we

[1:05:14] were to accept the actual

[1:05:15] statute itself. We went through

[1:05:18] that process. It was donated in

[1:05:19] 3 years we

[1:05:19] re like, you know

[1:05:21] what? I think this either

[1:05:22] should be relocated or x, y,

[1:05:24] and z is happening. We can

[1:05:25] remove it, we can upgrade it.

[1:05:26] That would all be on behalf of

[1:05:28] the city to do as they see fit.

[1:05:29] And that

[1:05:29] s part of the

[1:05:31] advantage of going through the

[1:05:33] process because that process

[1:05:35] spells out that exact

[1:05:36] expectation requirement if the

[1:05:37] donation goes through.

[1:05:39] And it would have to be

[1:05:40] accepted and received by the

[1:05:42] council but prior to that it

[1:05:43] has to go through this body for

[1:05:47] recommendation of approval.

[1:05:49] Other questions? A lot,

[1:05:52] apparently. Um, so if we move

[1:05:54] forward and we recommend this

[1:05:57] to the city, um.

[1:05:57] You

[1:05:59] re asking us to make

[1:06:01] decisions.

[1:06:02] Preemptively that I don

[1:06:03] t see

[1:06:05] how we would make if we don

[1:06:05] t

[1:06:07] know if families want to

[1:06:08] fundraise and do, you know, so

[1:06:11] for us to say well we want it

[1:06:12] publicly funded or privately or

[1:06:13] a mix of we don

[1:06:14] t know what our

[1:06:15] budget is and we don

[1:06:15] t know who

[1:06:18] wants to come for that seems

[1:06:18] hard. It feels like we

[1:06:19] re doing

[1:06:20] this.

[1:06:21] Not in the wrong order, but do

[1:06:22] you understand what I

[1:06:23] m saying?

[1:06:24] Like I, I

[1:06:26] m a little confused

[1:06:30] why we would not just recommend

[1:06:31] stop there I guess is my

[1:06:32] question, and I

[1:06:32] ll get to the

[1:06:35] next slide. Ok, thank you. So,

[1:06:36] to that point, there are

[1:06:38] options for how you MAY want to

[1:06:40] recommend this to council, ok?

[1:06:41] So to those very things,

[1:06:41] there

[1:06:43] s so many things that are

[1:06:45] left undone and unsaid that I

[1:06:45] don

[1:06:47] t know if

[1:06:47] one we

[1:06:50] re in a position to look

[1:06:51] at going to those next steps

[1:06:52] without further approval

[1:06:54] because there MAY be some

[1:06:55] additional resources needed for

[1:06:58] us to look at design. So if you

[1:07:00] recommend ultimately that you

[1:07:01] would support this particular

[1:07:03] monument in our park system is

[1:07:05] the first and foremost thing.

[1:07:06] Could you see it in our system

[1:07:07] somewhere? That

[1:07:07] s the first

[1:07:09] question. If you could see in

[1:07:11] our system somewhere, you guys

[1:07:12] as a body can recommend that to

[1:07:14] council. Yes, we could see it.

[1:07:15] Along with that, then we could

[1:07:16] see it

[1:07:18] Then we go to these three

[1:07:20] points.

[1:07:23] We could see it, we could see

[1:07:25] it an option location a, b, c,

[1:07:26] or d, or do you leave it up to

[1:07:29] the council to determine.

[1:07:29] That

[1:07:29] s what you could send it

[1:07:31] with it. So it puts a little

[1:07:34] bit more of the

[1:07:35] decision-making ability on the

[1:07:37] council if they decide to have

[1:07:39] a final spot. But if this body

[1:07:40] would like to give a

[1:07:42] recommendation of a location,

[1:07:43] you could do so. The second

[1:07:44] part of that is, what

[1:07:45] s the

[1:07:46] general scope?

[1:07:47] Keep it little, keep it small,

[1:07:49] keep it mid, be robust, be

[1:07:51] elaborate, large, you name it,

[1:07:54] or you give the recommendation

[1:07:56] to also leave that up to the

[1:07:57] council.

[1:07:57] Third

[1:07:59] how do you fund

[1:08:01] Do you give the recommendation

[1:08:04] Yes, we can see in our system

[1:08:05] Well, we recommend Heritage

[1:08:07] Village Park

[1:08:08] We feel like the general scope,

[1:08:08] we

[1:08:10] re not there yet. We

[1:08:10] ll

[1:08:11] leave that to some degree up to

[1:08:13] the council because 2 is tied

[1:08:14] with 3. How are we

[1:08:14] re gonna

[1:08:16] fund this project

[1:08:18] And I think the council then

[1:08:19] can help support or if this

[1:08:20] body wants to give a

[1:08:22] recommendation, you could say

[1:08:24] we think that we leave this up

[1:08:25] to the council to figure out

[1:08:26] how to fund because we can

[1:08:27] t,

[1:08:27] we don

[1:08:28] t want to give a

[1:08:30] recommendation how to fund it.

[1:08:32] Or you could say, you know what,

[1:08:33] I think this be the, the Pratt

[1:08:35] could say, I believe this

[1:08:36] should be fully funded

[1:08:37] privately.

[1:08:39] And that no city dollar should

[1:08:40] be allocated toward this. You

[1:08:42] can give that recommendation.

[1:08:43] So first and foremost, can you

[1:08:44] see it in our system?

[1:08:46] If you can

[1:08:46] that

[1:08:48] s kind of the first, well

[1:08:53] Secondly, is what additional um

[1:08:54] recommendations in these three

[1:08:55] categories would you like to

[1:08:56] give?

[1:08:56] So that

[1:08:58] s kind of to your point,

[1:08:58] yes, it

[1:08:59] s hard to see through

[1:09:01] the woods right now, and I

[1:09:01] totally get it. But I don

[1:09:02] t

[1:09:03] know if we can get to that next

[1:09:05] step to even come back in some

[1:09:07] way, shape or form.

[1:09:07] If it

[1:09:08] s donated, it has to come

[1:09:09] back to this body anyway. And

[1:09:09] I

[1:09:11] ll say this

[1:09:13] ultimately as well, is

[1:09:14] depending on what this body

[1:09:15] does.

[1:09:16] Um, and whether you say, you

[1:09:17] know what, either a, we

[1:09:17] re

[1:09:18] gonna die because we don

[1:09:19] t feel

[1:09:29] like and go to that next

[1:09:31] step and to some degree bypass

[1:09:33] this, not that the individual

[1:09:36] would, but they depend on the

[1:09:36] timing and fundraising

[1:09:38] opportunities, all those things

[1:09:39] matter, so I don

[1:09:39] t know if that

[1:09:41] fully answers your question,

[1:09:42] but it does support kind of

[1:09:44] like we can send a

[1:09:45] recommendation with

[1:09:45] I won

[1:09:47] t say caveats, but

[1:09:49] additional recommendations.

[1:09:52] Ok

[1:09:53] Any other questions? Anything

[1:09:56] else you want to say, Adam? Ok.

[1:09:58] I think the first

[1:09:58] was there another question? I

[1:09:59] m

[1:10:00] just going to say the first

[1:10:01] question is really what we need

[1:10:03] to look at first. Do you want

[1:10:04] that in separate motions? No, I

[1:10:04] don

[1:10:06] t know if we have to, well,

[1:10:08] yes, well, yeah, we could. I

[1:10:09] would, I would say I want no, I

[1:10:10] don

[1:10:11] t know if a motion

[1:10:12] I think a motion should be at

[1:10:16] the, at the very end.

[1:10:18] Can you put the next screen

[1:10:20] back up? Thank you.

[1:10:22] I guess just, uh, let

[1:10:23] s see, I,

[1:10:25] I guess my, my feeling is that

[1:10:28] we, you know, we decide yes or

[1:10:28] no, we

[1:10:30] re going to endorse the

[1:10:32] idea and then we leave the

[1:10:35] other parts up to the council,

[1:10:38] uh, location, scope.

[1:10:40] Potential funding sources, um,

[1:10:41] you know, if there

[1:10:41] s

[1:10:42] disagreement about that, if you

[1:10:44] want, so I, I thought we were

[1:10:45] going to vote first on whether

[1:10:45] we, that

[1:10:46] s fine.

[1:10:49] You change? No, I mean, that

[1:10:50] either way, I think you have to

[1:10:54] vote in a way of accepting the

[1:10:55] proposal of an idea to

[1:10:55] recommend to council. That

[1:10:56] s

[1:10:58] first and foremost. And then I

[1:10:59] think secondary is along that

[1:11:00] recommendation, here

[1:11:00] s what

[1:11:00] we

[1:11:02] d like to see as additional

[1:11:02] recommendations. I

[1:11:04] d like to

[1:11:06] move that we endorse the idea

[1:11:10] of the of uh having an angel

[1:11:12] Hope memorial, uh, as part of

[1:11:15] our park system and that we, um,

[1:11:21] uh, do not pick a preferred

[1:11:24] location or scope or funding.

[1:11:25] Uh, we leave those who leave

[1:11:26] those up to the council. So

[1:11:28] that would be my, uh, I move

[1:11:31] that. Is there a second to that?

[1:11:32] No, I, I

[1:11:33] d like to discuss a

[1:11:34] little bit more. Yeah, I feel

[1:11:35] like I feel like if we could

[1:11:37] just like go around and kind of,

[1:11:37] I don

[1:11:38] t know, see where

[1:11:39] everyone is. I thought we

[1:11:40] should get a motion on the

[1:11:42] table and then we could discuss

[1:11:44] more, I guess it feels like

[1:11:45] we

[1:11:47] re otherwise. Is everyone

[1:11:48] feeling like they want to go

[1:11:50] forward with this. I mean, can

[1:11:52] we at least the motion at this

[1:11:52] well, but you

[1:11:53] re attacking on

[1:11:53] that you don

[1:11:54] t want to

[1:11:55] recommend anything, and I

[1:11:55] m

[1:11:56] saying I think that we don

[1:11:57] t

[1:11:59] all agree to that. That

[1:12:00] s all.

[1:12:01] Yeah, I agree with that.

[1:12:03] Feel like, you know, just, just

[1:12:04] for me, I could definitely see

[1:12:06] it in our system. I think

[1:12:07] there

[1:12:08] s like some good stuff

[1:12:08] here.

[1:12:09] But

[1:12:11] like, you know, if I

[1:12:11] m looking

[1:12:12] at like I

[1:12:15] you know, I would, I would be

[1:12:16] interested in like, sending it

[1:12:18] off and saying like this group,

[1:12:20] this person who has said and

[1:12:21] brought it up and said that

[1:12:22] they would call and like bring

[1:12:24] in donations and that kind of

[1:12:26] stuff, that they would start

[1:12:28] that process early.

[1:12:29] See if there

[1:12:30] s any interest, if

[1:12:30] there

[1:12:31] s any money like that

[1:12:32] kind of stuff. So that

[1:12:32] s kind

[1:12:33] of where I

[1:12:33] m at, where it

[1:12:34] s

[1:12:34] like, you know, I don

[1:12:35] t, I

[1:12:35] don

[1:12:36] t feel like it should all

[1:12:39] fall on

[1:12:41] the city, the rack, like all

[1:12:43] that kind of stuff, so I don

[1:12:44] t

[1:12:45] and once the city

[1:12:46] once it

[1:12:47] s in, it

[1:12:48] s the city

[1:12:48] s

[1:12:49] responsibility, so I

[1:12:51] m

[1:12:52] more concerned with the

[1:12:53] maintenance part of it and

[1:12:55] where does it make the most

[1:12:57] sense for the least amount, you

[1:12:57] know, that

[1:12:58] s a, that

[1:12:59] s what I

[1:12:59] m

[1:13:01] interested in discussing and

[1:13:02] finding more about finding out

[1:13:04] more about, so

[1:13:05] And for me, it

[1:13:06] s a little bit,

[1:13:08] you know, of these three places,

[1:13:09] I think where I

[1:13:09] m concerned is,

[1:13:11] you know, with Heritage Village

[1:13:11] Park, because there

[1:13:12] s just not

[1:13:15] a lot of tree space, it still

[1:13:19] is pretty open, um, and like,

[1:13:19] no, it

[1:13:20] s not the first thing

[1:13:22] you see, but I also like see

[1:13:25] coming in and, you know, if

[1:13:25] there

[1:13:27] s a group of people on

[1:13:29] the evening that are on the 7th

[1:13:31] or 6th, whenever it is, a lot

[1:13:32] of kids that are maybe playing

[1:13:33] at the park are just going to

[1:13:34] see that, right? I

[1:13:35] I like the idea of some privacy

[1:13:37] and it being sort of its own

[1:13:38] sacred space. What I almost

[1:13:40] wonder is if we

[1:13:40] re still

[1:13:42] looking at Northwest area Park

[1:13:43] development, which seems to

[1:13:44] have a lot more foliage, a lot

[1:13:47] more trees.

[1:13:50] If we almost like give the

[1:13:52] group time to fundraise with

[1:13:54] the idea of like when we

[1:13:55] purchase something or if we

[1:13:56] purchase something for

[1:13:58] Northwest Area Park, trying to

[1:14:00] merge those things together.

[1:14:01] Um, but I know that

[1:14:01] s, that

[1:14:02] s

[1:14:04] adding a place that, that, you

[1:14:05] know, is not on a preferred

[1:14:07] park location. I mean, of the,

[1:14:08] of the three places, I would

[1:14:10] say, it seems like Salem is

[1:14:12] probably offering the most

[1:14:14] privacy, um

[1:14:16] just because I, moving forward,

[1:14:18] I remember how mad people were

[1:14:19] about the lights of swing

[1:14:20] bridge and the money that went

[1:14:21] on those lights, and that

[1:14:22] wasn

[1:14:23] t even our money, it was

[1:14:24] grant money and people like

[1:14:26] lost their minds online about

[1:14:31] that. And so $175,000 or

[1:14:34] $225,000 even if, you know, it

[1:14:34] goes to the council, it kind of

[1:14:36] goes to us first. I want to

[1:14:36] make sure that we

[1:14:37] re not

[1:14:38] necessarily just

[1:14:39] I mean, I guess we

[1:14:39] re not

[1:14:40] writing the check, check for

[1:14:43] that at this level, but I also

[1:14:45] think if other communities have

[1:14:46] offered money for it and

[1:14:47] fundraised money for it, I

[1:14:48] think, I think it

[1:14:49] s important

[1:14:51] to attach that to, to what our

[1:14:53] decision is, but

[1:14:53] I just, I, I don

[1:14:54] t know, am I

[1:14:56] alone here? I, I don

[1:14:56] t,

[1:14:57] Heritage Village Park for

[1:14:58] whatever reason, makes me a

[1:15:00] little bit uncomfortable

[1:15:02] because of how open it is, um,

[1:15:03] both for people that are going

[1:15:05] to experience it and for people

[1:15:07] at the park.

[1:15:08] I mean, you

[1:15:08] re that much closer

[1:15:11] to the gun range, and I can

[1:15:11] t

[1:15:13] imagine somebody who lost a

[1:15:15] child to something that happens

[1:15:16] every day in this country now,

[1:15:18] is going to want to hear that.

[1:15:21] That seems a little

[1:15:22] short-sighted, so I

[1:15:22] m glad that

[1:15:25] you even brought that up. Um,

[1:15:27] my thought right now is that

[1:15:29] we have a lot more to discuss.

[1:15:32] Like this feels like

[1:15:33] are we all on board that we

[1:15:34] would want them to go forward

[1:15:36] and and

[1:15:37] you know

[1:15:39] I mean we had a work session. I

[1:15:39] wasn

[1:15:40] t able to come to the work

[1:15:43] session, but um

[1:15:44] you know, it

[1:15:44] s

[1:15:47] well, it sounds like from the

[1:15:49] comments from everyone, like

[1:15:53] the idea is great, like you are

[1:15:55] obviously, if you were in that

[1:15:56] position, uh, hopefully no

[1:15:56] one

[1:15:59] s in that position here,

[1:16:00] but you understand why it

[1:16:01] s so

[1:16:02] meaningful, but the question

[1:16:04] that we need to answer here

[1:16:06] right now is do we sit in our

[1:16:07] system and from what I

[1:16:08] m

[1:16:11] hearing from everyone is, no,

[1:16:13] like this locations maybe

[1:16:14] others won

[1:16:15] t come, it won

[1:16:15] t be

[1:16:15] the right place

[1:16:16] We don

[1:16:17] t know anything about

[1:16:17] the funding, so that

[1:16:18] s also

[1:16:18] like it

[1:16:19] s not part of the

[1:16:20] system because we didn

[1:16:20] t think

[1:16:24] about it, um

[1:16:25] so I

[1:16:26] m just interpreting

[1:16:26] everyone

[1:16:27] s comments and I say

[1:16:30] like at least at this time, the

[1:16:30] 2025, we don

[1:16:31] t see it in the

[1:16:32] system.

[1:16:32] Not because we don

[1:16:33] t want it.

[1:16:33] It

[1:16:34] s just like it doesn

[1:16:34] t make

[1:16:36] sense right now.

[1:16:38] I and we also, we

[1:16:38] re missing

[1:16:40] three council members, and I

[1:16:40] m

[1:16:41] really curious about their

[1:16:42] opinions on this as well. I

[1:16:43] mean, I

[1:16:44] I, where I

[1:16:45] m at is I would like

[1:16:46] to maybe table this for a month

[1:16:48] so I can sort of gather more

[1:16:49] information and think about it,

[1:16:50] and then we had a work session,

[1:16:52] but hear from some of the other

[1:16:53] council or heard from some of

[1:16:56] the other rack, um, Cody many

[1:16:59] committee members, and then

[1:17:01] also maybe explore like what it

[1:17:02] would, what would it look like

[1:17:04] if we tried to attach something

[1:17:05] like this to Northwestern area

[1:17:07] Park, where it would make sense

[1:17:08] with some of the landscaping

[1:17:08] that

[1:17:10] s there to create privacy

[1:17:11] and to create space because

[1:17:13] they do think what, what we can

[1:17:13] offer

[1:17:15] is we can offer space, we can

[1:17:17] offer some in-house landscaping,

[1:17:17] um, and if we

[1:17:18] re already sort

[1:17:20] of going to

[1:17:21] acquire that kind of space, we

[1:17:23] can intentionally put it in a

[1:17:24] place where there will be easy

[1:17:25] access to plumbing, where there

[1:17:27] would be easy access to

[1:17:28] electricity. It doesn

[1:17:29] t seem

[1:17:31] like that is necessarily the

[1:17:32] case right now with, with all

[1:17:35] of these spaces.

[1:17:37] Ok, so maybe that

[1:17:38] s a better

[1:17:41] place and maybe the council

[1:17:44] could like like approve moving

[1:17:46] forward for future plan.

[1:17:48] So in this case, yeah, we don

[1:17:48] t

[1:17:50] approve a location we don

[1:17:50] t

[1:17:51] approve a size, we don

[1:17:51] t

[1:17:53] approve like a budget. It

[1:17:53] s

[1:17:54] commissioners, can I make a

[1:17:55] couple of comments in regard to

[1:17:56] some of the comments you

[1:17:56] ve

[1:17:58] made. First and foremost in the

[1:17:59] northwest area. None of that

[1:18:01] land is guaranteed. And

[1:18:03] ultimately

[1:18:04] currently as it stands, we are

[1:18:06] more moving in a direction. We

[1:18:07] will get land based on

[1:18:08] development. So when you look

[1:18:10] at based on development in the

[1:18:11] Northwest area given the

[1:18:12] topography, you

[1:18:13] re not getting

[1:18:15] a robust community level sized

[1:18:16] park. So then they try to fit

[1:18:18] something like this into that

[1:18:20] space, um, into a space that

[1:18:20] you

[1:18:21] re not getting that

[1:18:24] fruitful 15 to 20 acres MAY not

[1:18:25] be a possibility, and if it is,

[1:18:27] it MAY not be 5,, 1015 years on

[1:18:29] the road. If we look at land

[1:18:29] acquisition, which we

[1:18:30] re

[1:18:31] currently working through, um,

[1:18:32] which MAY or MAY not come to

[1:18:33] fruition

[1:18:35] You, you still MAY not have a

[1:18:36] suitable space in the northwest

[1:18:36] area. So that

[1:18:37] s just a couple

[1:18:38] of comments regarding that, not

[1:18:40] to say that part of the

[1:18:41] preferred park location is

[1:18:43] other. Can you consider this to

[1:18:45] be in a future Northwest area

[1:18:47] Park. You, we, we could say

[1:18:48] that within

[1:18:49] the recommendation. So you

[1:18:50] don

[1:18:51] t have to be stuck on these

[1:18:53] 3. This is just what was

[1:18:55] discussed at the work session.

[1:18:56] Ok, so where we had a little

[1:18:58] bit more in-depth details and

[1:19:00] conversations regarding this

[1:19:02] particular topic. Um, so

[1:19:04] when you leave it to these

[1:19:05] ultimate items, uh, when you

[1:19:07] think about preferred location,

[1:19:09] scope, funding

[1:19:11] you can give recommendations

[1:19:12] but ultimately the council has

[1:19:13] to determine how they

[1:19:13] re going

[1:19:15] to do those things. So again,

[1:19:16] not to say that we can

[1:19:17] t table

[1:19:19] this pause it for additional

[1:19:21] information. I guess if we

[1:19:23] wanted additional information,

[1:19:23] I don

[1:19:24] t know exactly at what

[1:19:26] point in time what additional

[1:19:27] fish information you

[1:19:27] re looking

[1:19:28] for because if we

[1:19:29] re looking at

[1:19:31] cost estimates, I would have to

[1:19:33] go to council and say, I need

[1:19:35] additional costs to get a

[1:19:36] landscape architect and

[1:19:37] designer to cost estimate what

[1:19:38] the space will look like.

[1:19:39] Ultimately this would have to

[1:19:39] come back

[1:19:41] and say, well, for what? And

[1:19:42] then we

[1:19:43] d like for this, but

[1:19:43] nothing

[1:19:44] s been recommended, and

[1:19:46] we can definitely do that, um,

[1:19:49] but I just wanna try to

[1:19:50] what additional information are

[1:19:52] we looking for that I can maybe

[1:19:55] support and respond to now, um.

[1:19:55] And that

[1:19:57] s why I kind of left

[1:19:59] these actions open any degree

[1:20:00] because I think 2 and 3 are

[1:20:02] very closely related. If you

[1:20:02] re

[1:20:03] trying to fund the project, you

[1:20:03] don

[1:20:04] t know what you

[1:20:04] re funding

[1:20:05] yet. So if there

[1:20:06] s a scope in

[1:20:08] and nature in which the council

[1:20:09] is either comfortable with or

[1:20:10] not. You MAY very well

[1:20:12] recommend this to council, and

[1:20:13] they MAY very well deny it.

[1:20:15] Ok, or they MAY accept it and

[1:20:16] sit on it for a while, and they

[1:20:18] MAY look at, can we fit into

[1:20:19] our future Northwest Air Park.

[1:20:19] How we

[1:20:20] re going to fund it? You

[1:20:23] go back to that individual and

[1:20:25] say, how do you propose to fund

[1:20:25] it because we

[1:20:26] re not going to

[1:20:27] do in kind to, we

[1:20:28] re not going

[1:20:30] to provide additional fundings

[1:20:30] or we

[1:20:32] re going to provide in

[1:20:32] kind to and we

[1:20:33] re gonna provide

[1:20:34] additional funds. It can go in

[1:20:35] multiple different directions.

[1:20:36] And again, that

[1:20:37] s where you

[1:20:38] leave them a little bit open

[1:20:40] ended for them to have

[1:20:42] discussion around as well, but

[1:20:44] from a preferred park location,

[1:20:44] that

[1:20:45] s end il. There MAY be

[1:20:46] other considerations. That

[1:20:46] s

[1:20:47] where you could say, hey, we

[1:20:48] d

[1:20:50] like to see maybe options

[1:20:53] a and c in there and not b or.

[1:20:53] We

[1:20:55] re open to it or we send a

[1:20:57] recommendation back to the

[1:20:58] council and say we want to know

[1:20:59] what your space you

[1:20:59] re thinking

[1:21:00] about.

[1:21:03] Um before we

[1:21:04] I mean, ultimately this body

[1:21:04] doesn

[1:21:05] t do the full approval.

[1:21:07] They do recommendations.

[1:21:09] I think you were right, Steve

[1:21:10] Excuse me, I said I think you

[1:21:11] were right. I think we kick it

[1:21:12] up to

[1:21:14] the council

[1:21:14] That

[1:21:17] s, uh, and, and that was

[1:21:18] my view, I guess, is that we,

[1:21:21] we either endorse or we don

[1:21:21] t

[1:21:22] endorse the concept. We don

[1:21:23] t

[1:21:24] get into the particulars. I

[1:21:25] mean, here that that

[1:21:25] s really

[1:21:28] up to the council. Um, we can,

[1:21:31] if any of you want to recommend

[1:21:34] a location or uh of the ones

[1:21:36] that um Adam has, you know, the,

[1:21:38] the staff has lined out at this

[1:21:39] point, but otherwise, uh, you

[1:21:41] know, in terms of the scope,

[1:21:43] design, funding, potentials. I

[1:21:43] don

[1:21:44] t know that it

[1:21:44] s reasonable

[1:21:45] to

[1:21:47] say to the community member,

[1:21:49] get a bunch of um, you know,

[1:21:52] money, you know, committed to

[1:21:53] this before we would even

[1:21:54] consider, you know, whether we

[1:21:55] think it

[1:21:56] s a good idea to have

[1:21:58] it. I think they probably need

[1:22:00] something that says, you know,

[1:22:00] there

[1:22:02] s some support behind

[1:22:04] this idea in order to get

[1:22:06] people to, uh, um, and I don

[1:22:06] t

[1:22:07] know what else we do either. We,

[1:22:09] we talked quite a bit at the,

[1:22:11] uh, at the work session about

[1:22:13] it and, and members that are

[1:22:14] missing tonight, I think mostly

[1:22:14] we

[1:22:15] re at the

[1:22:15] work session.

[1:22:18] Um

[1:22:20] so we can certainly wait and,

[1:22:22] and let it sit and talk about

[1:22:26] it next month. Um, again, but

[1:22:29] what more are we going to

[1:22:31] do or find between now and then

[1:22:31] that

[1:22:31] s going to make a

[1:22:33] difference. I mean, ultimately

[1:22:34] commissioners as well, we can

[1:22:35] look at just sending a

[1:22:37] recommendation of support and

[1:22:39] leaving at that without any

[1:22:41] additional things in there.

[1:22:41] That

[1:22:44] s an option. Um

[1:22:45] and I, and I really it

[1:22:45] s kind

[1:22:47] of saying the same thing of

[1:22:49] giving them options 1 through 3

[1:22:51] all letter e if you will. Leave

[1:22:53] it kind of to the council to

[1:22:55] some degree, um, but again, I

[1:22:55] think it

[1:22:58] s all up for you all

[1:22:59] to make that decision, um, but

[1:23:01] again, I want you guys to feel

[1:23:04] like you have the answers as

[1:23:06] best as I can give you without,

[1:23:06] I can

[1:23:08] t present a full design.

[1:23:09] Um, because we haven

[1:23:09] t not,

[1:23:09] we

[1:23:12] ve not got to that point, um,

[1:23:15] now that being said, if

[1:23:16] council says, yeah, we want to

[1:23:17] do this, let

[1:23:18] s go more for

[1:23:20] design. That doesn

[1:23:20] t mean, um,

[1:23:22] that we stop at the rack and

[1:23:22] the rack

[1:23:25] s out of it. So as you,

[1:23:26] as commissioner Cookgan

[1:23:28] indicated that

[1:23:28] you know, let the council kind

[1:23:30] of get into the weeds. Well,

[1:23:30] that could still come back here

[1:23:32] if they give the actual k. They

[1:23:34] say no, we want to send it back

[1:23:37] to the commission to really

[1:23:39] work through design.

[1:23:39] That

[1:23:40] s definitely a possibility

[1:23:41] and an option as well. So I

[1:23:41] wouldn

[1:23:42] t say this is like the

[1:23:42] last you

[1:23:44] ll ever see and hear

[1:23:46] of it by any stretch, um, I

[1:23:47] think ultimately one of the

[1:23:49] things that the really heavily

[1:23:50] take into consideration is

[1:23:51] really how do you fund the

[1:23:53] project? And I think that

[1:23:53] s

[1:23:55] where um

[1:23:55] you

[1:23:56] re more than happy and

[1:23:58] willing as a body to give a

[1:23:59] recommendation for that funding.

[1:24:00] I just don

[1:24:02] t know, um, what

[1:24:03] that actual number would look

[1:24:04] like. I, the only numbers that

[1:24:07] I do know is the cost of the

[1:24:09] statue and the potential

[1:24:11] estimated cost for um the base.

[1:24:12] So right off the top, you

[1:24:12] re

[1:24:16] looking at close to 2022 to

[1:24:17] $25,000.

[1:24:17] And that

[1:24:18] s just, just for the

[1:24:20] statue in the past. So when

[1:24:23] other communities had $225,000

[1:24:24] of donations. Did that then go

[1:24:26] to the landscaping and and all

[1:24:28] that other space around it? Ok.

[1:24:30] I mean, I guess where i

[1:24:32] m at is,

[1:24:33] I think it

[1:24:34] s definitely

[1:24:35] something that if there

[1:24:35] s a

[1:24:36] want in our community to have

[1:24:38] this, then I, I want there to

[1:24:41] be that in our community, um, I

[1:24:43] would prefer it to be in Salem

[1:24:45] or Salem Hills or or river

[1:24:47] Heights, just for sort of

[1:24:47] privacy

[1:24:49] s sake and, and it

[1:24:50] seems like those would be

[1:24:52] places to hold it, but I also,

[1:24:54] I do think if other communities

[1:24:56] have done mostly private funded

[1:24:57] for this, which is that the

[1:24:58] case? It

[1:24:58] s

[1:25:00] been mostly privately funded or

[1:25:01] has it been a um combination of

[1:25:03] private and city funds

[1:25:04] initially in an upfront seed

[1:25:06] capital costs right away. It

[1:25:08] was privately funded and then

[1:25:12] over time, um, but Duluth and

[1:25:14] uh Woodbury added additional

[1:25:16] funds for improvements.

[1:25:18] I mean, I, I would, I at this

[1:25:21] level would endorse that, um, a,

[1:25:23] a privately funded with some

[1:25:25] possibility of city funded down

[1:25:26] the road. I would rather say

[1:25:29] that at this level, and then if

[1:25:30] city council decides

[1:25:32] differently, give them that

[1:25:33] opportunity to say, nope, we

[1:25:35] want to fund this. That

[1:25:35] s where

[1:25:36] I

[1:25:38] m at just as, as somebody

[1:25:41] that wants to, you know,

[1:25:42] recognize taxpayer money and,

[1:25:44] and all that. Um

[1:25:44] I guess that

[1:25:45] s, I

[1:25:46] m, yes, yes

[1:25:48] for it, but I would

[1:25:51] I would prefer Salem River

[1:25:54] Heights, and a privately funded

[1:25:56] with some city

[1:25:56] later. That

[1:25:57] s where I

[1:26:00] m at

[1:26:03] ok? Do we have a motion, uh,

[1:26:06] for any direction at this point?

[1:26:09] We otherwise that uh

[1:26:11] sort of dies at this point

[1:26:13] until maybe bring it up at the

[1:26:14] next meeting if people want to

[1:26:16] wait and, and, and have the

[1:26:18] other commissioners here.

[1:26:20] Otherwise, um

[1:26:21] what we, what we

[1:26:23] d like to do.

[1:26:23] I

[1:26:24] m fine with your original

[1:26:25] motion.

[1:26:25] That

[1:26:27] s how I feel now

[1:26:28] ok

[1:26:30] Um

[1:26:32] well,

[1:26:33] do you want to, do you want to

[1:26:35] restate it or do you want me to

[1:26:37] do it again? No,

[1:26:38] I mean, I suppose we have to

[1:26:40] say it again, but I think it,

[1:26:42] it makes the most sense because

[1:26:44] it will come back to us if it

[1:26:45] moves forward anyway. This

[1:26:45] isn

[1:26:46] t the last, like you said,

[1:26:46] it

[1:26:47] s not the last time we

[1:26:47] re

[1:26:48] going to talk about this. So,

[1:26:48] so why don

[1:26:51] t you make it then?

[1:26:51] You

[1:26:53] re kind of endorsing the

[1:26:54] idea of

[1:26:56] so I would like to make a

[1:26:58] motion to move forward with

[1:27:00] this project.

[1:27:03] Recommended to the city council

[1:27:06] um, and leave

[1:27:08] every, the details up to them.

[1:27:10] So option d and 1 through 3 if

[1:27:14] you will. Yes.

[1:27:17] Right, so

[1:27:20] yeah, the d and e and b Oh yes,

[1:27:23] d Es, my apologies. My. So to

[1:27:26] be safe to say to clear the

[1:27:28] motion up to some degree.

[1:27:28] You

[1:27:29] re recommending the idea of

[1:27:32] it with the, the, the project

[1:27:34] being somewhat within our park

[1:27:36] system and really leaving

[1:27:38] preferred location, scope, and

[1:27:39] funding to council. Is that

[1:27:41] fair to say to really kind of

[1:27:43] clean it up or would you prefer

[1:27:44] to send a recommendation? I

[1:27:44] think that

[1:27:44] s what you

[1:27:45] re saying.

[1:27:45] Let

[1:27:46] s see if we get a second

[1:27:47] for that because that

[1:27:48] s the

[1:27:50] motion at this point what you

[1:27:50] said.

[1:27:52] Discussed further

[1:27:54] Is there a second for that

[1:27:55] motion?

[1:27:56] You have a question

[1:27:58] Yeah.

[1:27:59] Ok, second, you

[1:28:01] re 2, ok.

[1:28:01] He

[1:28:04] s the seconds, um, all right,

[1:28:06] discussion at this point but I

[1:28:07] mean, are we sure it

[1:28:07] s going to

[1:28:09] get kicked back to us. I mean,

[1:28:10] city council could make all

[1:28:11] those decisions and then just

[1:28:13] move forward with it.

[1:28:16] Are they going to want to??

[1:28:17] Yeah?, um, I can comment a

[1:28:18] little bit on that,

[1:28:20] Commissioner, um.

[1:28:22] Scar, what we could do is

[1:28:25] request

[1:28:27] that as if I get approved the

[1:28:29] design

[1:28:32] we recommend the design efforts

[1:28:33] come back to

[1:28:35] the bac to work through, um, if

[1:28:37] they so choose to approve this

[1:28:39] project to move forward, um, so

[1:28:39] that

[1:28:39] s something we can request.

[1:28:40] It doesn

[1:28:41] t necessarily mean

[1:28:41] it

[1:28:41] s gonna happen. I would

[1:28:44] imagine

[1:28:44] to Commissioner Barker

[1:28:45] s point

[1:28:45] that they

[1:28:46] re not really going

[1:28:47] to want to settle in on all the

[1:28:48] design efforts and have, you

[1:28:50] know, things of that nature. I

[1:28:51] think we can then come back and

[1:28:52] say, ok, here

[1:28:52] s where we

[1:28:53] re at.

[1:28:54] We could do location as well,

[1:28:55] couldn

[1:28:56] t we? They would come

[1:28:58] back to us in terms of design

[1:29:00] and location. Well, I think if

[1:29:00] we

[1:29:00] re, we

[1:29:01] re going there, then

[1:29:03] we should say that now to some

[1:29:04] degree, right? I mean, if we

[1:29:06] have a location in mind, there

[1:29:08] are no other options other than

[1:29:10] the 3 you mentioned. As you

[1:29:13] look at d, it says other. So,

[1:29:13] what other, but

[1:29:14] but I mean that

[1:29:15] s part of the

[1:29:15] discussion, right? If there

[1:29:15] s

[1:29:17] other options that you

[1:29:17] d like

[1:29:19] to consider as we spoke about

[1:29:21] in the um work session, we had

[1:29:23] a couple other items, but then

[1:29:24] through discussion, the

[1:29:25] veterans of Moore Community

[1:29:27] Center. There is open green

[1:29:28] space area Plaza, but we felt

[1:29:29] like it was too tight, heavy

[1:29:30] traffic, maybe didn

[1:29:32] t give you

[1:29:33] that solitude and seclusion

[1:29:34] that we were thinking about. I

[1:29:36] mean, we could definitely look

[1:29:38] at other locations, um, to

[1:29:39] consider.

[1:29:40] Did you look at behind the

[1:29:41] community center, sort of in

[1:29:42] between, did you, is that what

[1:29:44] you just said behind the

[1:29:44] community center in between

[1:29:45] community center and sort of

[1:29:46] the

[1:29:48] um

[1:29:50] City hall

[1:29:50] There

[1:29:50] s that space right behind

[1:29:52] the community center, is that

[1:29:54] where you talked about?

[1:29:56] The skate park? Yeah, kind of

[1:29:58] next to the skate park, there

[1:29:58] s

[1:29:58] maybe it

[1:29:59] s, maybe there

[1:29:59] s just

[1:30:00] not enough space. I don

[1:30:00] t know.

[1:30:01] There

[1:30:01] ll be enough space, but I

[1:30:01] don

[1:30:02] t know if we

[1:30:02] d want to put

[1:30:05] it next to a skate park.

[1:30:06] I mean how much distance there

[1:30:07] is with the skate park, but I

[1:30:09] hear you. Yeah, um, the

[1:30:10] National Guard Armory just

[1:30:11] expanded some of their fencing

[1:30:13] area for the utility vehicles.

[1:30:13] So that

[1:30:15] s basically a little

[1:30:16] smaller between that and the

[1:30:17] escape. I, I

[1:30:18] m less concerned

[1:30:21] with the design aspects as I am,

[1:30:23] just the, the, um, the funding

[1:30:24] of it because I, I

[1:30:25] m having

[1:30:26] flashbacks to people showing

[1:30:29] about planning committees, you

[1:30:30] know, with

[1:30:31] you know, decisions that were

[1:30:34] made at that level and funding

[1:30:36] decisions like, hey, why, why

[1:30:36] weren

[1:30:37] t some of these decisions

[1:30:39] made at that level. And I just,

[1:30:40] I, where I

[1:30:41] m concerned at is I

[1:30:41] don

[1:30:45] t want this to be something

[1:30:48] which is completely city funded

[1:30:49] when other communities have

[1:30:50] created this and it hasn

[1:30:51] t been

[1:30:52] completely city funded, not to

[1:30:54] say that that would happen here,

[1:30:54] but where I

[1:30:56] m at is my belief

[1:30:59] is that it should be at least

[1:31:00] privately funded with some

[1:31:00] opportunity

[1:31:02] for city funds down the road.

[1:31:03] So I guess my option would

[1:31:05] probably be d, um

[1:31:05] wouldn

[1:31:07] t there be something the

[1:31:09] council would determine though?

[1:31:11] Yes, but I at least want it

[1:31:13] stated at this level where my,

[1:31:14] my voice matters that like, if

[1:31:16] they change it from our

[1:31:16] recommendation, that

[1:31:17] s great.

[1:31:19] But at this level, I want, I

[1:31:22] want it to, at least my vote to

[1:31:24] say the combination of private

[1:31:25] and city funds, and I want the

[1:31:27] honest to be on them if they

[1:31:27] re

[1:31:29] going to change or amendment to

[1:31:32] the motion I suggest an

[1:31:33] amendment that the

[1:31:35] recommendation to move on and

[1:31:37] be followed with the

[1:31:39] um combination of private and

[1:31:41] city funds is, is the funding

[1:31:42] recommendation.

[1:31:44] and also a part of the design

[1:31:45] piece. Do you want that it

[1:31:47] would come back to us in terms

[1:31:49] of design or not? No, just

[1:31:49] because I think if we

[1:31:50] re going

[1:31:52] to make design decisions, I, I

[1:31:54] feel like that would be then

[1:31:56] made today. I feel like if we

[1:31:57] were going to make some of

[1:31:58] those decisions, then we, we

[1:32:00] should go ahead with that today.

[1:32:02] And I, you know, unless

[1:32:03] somebody else feels strongly

[1:32:04] about some of the design. Ok,

[1:32:05] let

[1:32:07] s see if we have a second

[1:32:08] to your amended amendment to

[1:32:10] the motion. Is there a second

[1:32:12] to that? Can I second it even

[1:32:12] though

[1:32:14] I started it? No, yes, you can.

[1:32:16] Can I? Yeah, or you can accept

[1:32:19] it as a friendly amendment to

[1:32:19] to, well, let

[1:32:20] s vote on that

[1:32:21] though. Ok, so you

[1:32:22] re seconded

[1:32:25] his amendment? Ok. All right.

[1:32:26] Moved and seconded that we

[1:32:28] amend the motion

[1:32:28] so we

[1:32:30] re vote on the amendment

[1:32:31] first and then the motion.

[1:32:32] So we

[1:32:33] ll see if it

[1:32:33] s an amended

[1:32:36] motion. All right, so the uh

[1:32:39] amendment would be that um that

[1:32:41] the, the consideration be this,

[1:32:42] the recommendation from here is

[1:32:42] that it

[1:32:44] s a combination of city

[1:32:46] and private funding. Am I

[1:32:48] correct? Ok. Uh, that would go

[1:32:50] into this, uh, uh, memorial.

[1:32:53] All right, all in favor of that

[1:32:55] amendment, Sigma by saying aye.

[1:32:58] Any opposed?

[1:33:01] No? Ok. All right. So then we

[1:33:02] have an amended motion, which

[1:33:04] is to um

[1:33:06] uh endorse the concept to the

[1:33:09] city council of, uh, uh, angel

[1:33:12] of Hope Memorial, uh, with, uh,

[1:33:13] our recommendation that there

[1:33:16] be, um, a combination of city

[1:33:19] and uh private funding to

[1:33:21] establish it.

[1:33:24] Does that sound right? Ok. Any

[1:33:26] uh other discussion, any, ok.

[1:33:27] All right, let

[1:33:27] s vote on that

[1:33:29] motion. All in favor of the

[1:33:31] amended motions signified by

[1:33:32] saying aye, aye aye, and you

[1:33:33] opposed?

[1:33:35] Ok.

[1:33:37] Ok. Just want to clarify. Just

[1:33:40] want to make sure. So this body

[1:33:42] is passed and recommended that

[1:33:45] the city support an angel hope

[1:33:46] um Memorial

[1:33:48] within our park system

[1:33:51] for them to determine location

[1:33:53] scope

[1:33:55] and to consider a combination

[1:34:00] of public and private funds to

[1:34:01] create the space correct

[1:34:02] correct. Thank you.

[1:34:04] I will say, I mean, it feels as

[1:34:06] if once we know sort of the

[1:34:07] monetary value we

[1:34:08] re working

[1:34:09] with from the community that

[1:34:11] will help establish some of

[1:34:14] those other aspects, right? Ok.

[1:34:16] I appreciate that and I will,

[1:34:17] as I more than likely this is

[1:34:19] next, this next step we

[1:34:19] ll go

[1:34:20] before a work session with the

[1:34:23] council, and I also bring up

[1:34:25] the subject matter of if it

[1:34:25] s

[1:34:27] approved to advance that this

[1:34:29] body would like to be a part of

[1:34:31] the design efforts. Ok? And if

[1:34:33] it again, if that statute is

[1:34:35] donated, if you are any of it

[1:34:35] s

[1:34:36] donated, it still comes before

[1:34:38] this body. So that can be in a

[1:34:40] combination with the design

[1:34:42] efforts. Ok, great.

[1:34:43] All right, thank you

[1:34:45] Do you need a rest? Do you want

[1:34:49] to sit down? Ok just be short

[1:34:52] on a Short and sweet, the

[1:34:53] Sleepy Hollow Park. Hi

[1:34:54] commissioners, again, Adam

[1:34:56] Motis Park and Recreation

[1:34:58] director. Um, this evening on

[1:34:59] this particular item that

[1:35:01] before you, um, is the cp

[1:35:05] Hollow Park, um, 2026 Capital

[1:35:08] Improvement Plan, um, it is

[1:35:09] proposed for a play on

[1:35:11] replacement. So a little bit of

[1:35:12] background on this particular

[1:35:16] one. This is a part of the 26

[1:35:17] 2030

[1:35:18] capital improvement plan for

[1:35:18] the city that

[1:35:20] s in front of the

[1:35:22] council as we currently are

[1:35:24] discussing. This was actually

[1:35:25] scheduled for I think a year or

[1:35:28] two out, but given the

[1:35:29] evaluation of our park system.

[1:35:30] We made some adjustments and

[1:35:32] changes, particularly to this

[1:35:34] capital approval plan, and we,

[1:35:34] I think moved this one up first

[1:35:38] or was it always in 26? My

[1:35:40] apologies. So it was always at

[1:35:41] 26, so it was proved in the

[1:35:42] previous capital improvement

[1:35:43] plan, but it still needs to go

[1:35:45] through the final process of

[1:35:47] getting approval in 20205 for

[1:35:49] 26 to 30. So it

[1:35:49] s not yet been

[1:35:51] approved, um, so we should know

[1:35:53] that here by the end of this

[1:35:54] year. But nonetheless, the

[1:35:56] playground itself is 20 plus

[1:35:58] years old, um, and as you

[1:35:59] recall those that were with us

[1:36:01] on the tour, it was visited, um,

[1:36:04] so this location you should

[1:36:05] have some understanding of

[1:36:05] where it

[1:36:06] s at.

[1:36:07] If you don

[1:36:08] t, here it is. So it

[1:36:10] is one of our neighborhood

[1:36:11] parks, um, the neighborhood

[1:36:14] park itself is roughly about 10

[1:36:17] acres and has about 4000 ft of

[1:36:19] plus of trail networking within

[1:36:21] the park itself. This park

[1:36:22] outside of just having a

[1:36:24] playground container, and also

[1:36:25] has a volleyball, sand

[1:36:26] volleyball court, and

[1:36:28] basketball court. So as you

[1:36:28] ll

[1:36:32] see, highlighted here.

[1:36:34] This is the park location.

[1:36:34] Here

[1:36:36] s a little bit more of a

[1:36:37] upfront view of it, and you

[1:36:37] ll

[1:36:40] actually see coming off of

[1:36:43] College Trail and 84th Street

[1:36:44] here, which it turns into,

[1:36:44] that

[1:36:45] s the main entrance. You

[1:36:46] can come in

[1:36:48] over off Comstock as well, and

[1:36:49] I believe you can come over off

[1:36:51] these back end, um, trail that

[1:36:54] is correct as well. So this is

[1:36:56] the location.

[1:36:57] Um, the current place structure

[1:36:59] again, as I indicated is 20

[1:37:01] plus years old and does that

[1:37:02] combination of that 2 to 12

[1:37:04] year old all in one structure.

[1:37:04] So there

[1:37:05] s not as much as

[1:37:05] you

[1:37:07] ll see for the younger kids,

[1:37:09] but nonetheless, there are some

[1:37:11] features for them. There

[1:37:12] currently is 2 slides. There

[1:37:12] s

[1:37:14] some monkey bars, there

[1:37:14] s some

[1:37:16] climbing features. Um, there

[1:37:17] are 4 benches on the exterior

[1:37:19] of the plate container. There

[1:37:21] are zero swings, um, and there

[1:37:23] are a lot of mature trees that

[1:37:24] create shade structure, which a

[1:37:26] lot of our newer parks wish

[1:37:27] they had but don

[1:37:28] t have, but

[1:37:29] this particular one has some

[1:37:30] great mature trees surrounding

[1:37:32] the plate container.

[1:37:34] So from the front view, um

[1:37:35] walking towards it through it

[1:37:36] as the main entrance. That

[1:37:37] s

[1:37:38] kind of a broader view of what

[1:37:40] it looks like. So you

[1:37:40] ll see

[1:37:41] the basketball court in the

[1:37:43] back and then further back here

[1:37:45] around the trees is the actual

[1:37:47] sand volleyball court. Um, it

[1:37:47] s

[1:37:49] a pretty circular plate

[1:37:50] container, and then you have

[1:37:51] your 4 benches on their own

[1:37:53] pads outside of the plate

[1:37:55] container.

[1:37:58] So I show you this back end of

[1:37:59] seeing it from the backside

[1:38:00] because this is where you MAY

[1:38:01] see some adjustments

[1:38:02] specifically in the size of the

[1:38:04] plate container. But again, you

[1:38:05] could see one of the things

[1:38:06] that we always hear is shade,

[1:38:09] shade, shade for parents.

[1:38:11] Makes sense. Kids makes sense.

[1:38:13] This is again one that we are

[1:38:14] fortunate enough to have a

[1:38:15] decent amount of shade

[1:38:16] throughout the entire park and

[1:38:19] in this vicinity.

[1:38:21] So we would look at

[1:38:22] as you, as I

[1:38:24] d indicated here,

[1:38:25] um, just moments ago, there are

[1:38:27] no swings

[1:38:29] So as you guys have been

[1:38:30] familiar with Southern Lakes.

[1:38:31] One of the things that we

[1:38:33] needed to do is to expand the

[1:38:35] plate container, um, to

[1:38:36] accommodate the fallen safety

[1:38:37] zones that are required for

[1:38:40] swings, so

[1:38:42] excuse my sketchiness here, no

[1:38:45] pun intended, um, this yellow

[1:38:47] line represents a current plate

[1:38:47] container. We

[1:38:48] d look at cutting

[1:38:50] that out, if you will, and

[1:38:52] expanding

[1:38:53] outwardly, which is technically,

[1:38:55] I think the West

[1:38:56] removing a bunch and we

[1:38:57] d be

[1:39:01] removing one of those trees.

[1:39:03] Yeah. So, I know that

[1:39:03] s not

[1:39:04] what anybody wants to hear at

[1:39:06] all.

[1:39:08] So given what we currently do

[1:39:09] with removal of trees.

[1:39:11] Not ideal. So I indicated

[1:39:14] earlier that we have a nursery

[1:39:15] We would look at planting a

[1:39:16] couple more trees in lieu of

[1:39:18] losing one.

[1:39:21] So again, not ideal, but in

[1:39:22] order to look at expanding this

[1:39:23] plate container

[1:39:25] in any direction

[1:39:27] you would have to go west.

[1:39:28] We.

[1:39:30] Maybe this is a dumb question

[1:39:30] because I don

[1:39:31] t see the scale

[1:39:35] of it, but instead of

[1:39:37] it going horizontally, could

[1:39:39] you not make that vertical and

[1:39:40] not lose a tree

[1:39:43] So do you mean to come to come

[1:39:44] straight out to make the swings

[1:39:48] go this way and not go around

[1:39:49] the trees and then open it up

[1:39:50] on the other side, you know,

[1:39:51] like come and go like, I mean,

[1:39:53] if you, if you need a specific

[1:39:54] amount of space, right? It

[1:39:55] s a

[1:39:55] rectangle you

[1:39:56] re looking at.

[1:39:56] Can

[1:39:57] t the rectangle go this way?

[1:40:00] Or is that, I think one of the

[1:40:01] challenges, and I

[1:40:02] ll let our

[1:40:03] city forester comment on it.

[1:40:05] The closer you get those

[1:40:07] concrete plate containers to

[1:40:09] ruts, they die in tap water.

[1:40:09] But I

[1:40:10] ll let a forester comment

[1:40:12] on that. That is correct. You

[1:40:15] tell me interrupt the root zone

[1:40:16] compaction, uh, terranal half

[1:40:18] the roots, it affects the trees,

[1:40:20] um, so

[1:40:21] any way that the container,

[1:40:21] we

[1:40:24] re going to hit tree roots.

[1:40:24] So it

[1:40:26] s sacrifice one

[1:40:27] and it would be the one that

[1:40:27] s

[1:40:29] the greenest, the Norway maple.

[1:40:29] Ok. That

[1:40:31] s where we have the

[1:40:33] flattest, most open space to

[1:40:35] add onto the container. Got it.

[1:40:37] Again, that ideal, um, and as a

[1:40:38] reminder to this body and for

[1:40:40] some of you who MAY be new to

[1:40:41] this commission, we actually

[1:40:43] have what we also call a tree

[1:40:45] preservation plant. So we have

[1:40:48] a fund based on developers that

[1:40:50] are required to do a certain

[1:40:51] level of plant replacement?

[1:40:52] Have they cleared their

[1:40:53] property for development, which

[1:40:55] then in this case, we would

[1:40:56] also look at utilizing that

[1:40:59] fund also to put plantings in

[1:41:00] this particular park

[1:41:02] So we, we do have funding to

[1:41:04] replace these trees as well.

[1:41:07] Ques kind of related and not

[1:41:10] related, um, do you always

[1:41:12] replace trees that are lost due

[1:41:13] to different reasons, like for

[1:41:16] example, there were some

[1:41:17] storm that uh damaged some

[1:41:19] tracing of wood, are those

[1:41:20] going to be replaced with the

[1:41:21] ones that you have in the

[1:41:22] nursery?

[1:41:23] I can let our park

[1:41:25] superintendent respond to that.

[1:41:27] Yeah, typically we do unless

[1:41:28] the treaty happened to be in a

[1:41:29] bad location. The ones that you

[1:41:32] are talking more about Oakwoods,

[1:41:34] the majority of them will be

[1:41:35] replaced. Some of them along

[1:41:38] the trail that were too close,

[1:41:38] um, obviously won

[1:41:40] t, you know,

[1:41:41] they were wild trees anyways,

[1:41:43] not necessarily planted, and

[1:41:43] there

[1:41:44] s a couple of others up

[1:41:46] top that will not be replaced,

[1:41:47] but the ones done with the

[1:41:48] playground that I

[1:41:49] m thinking

[1:41:49] you

[1:41:51] re talking about will be

[1:41:51] replaced.

[1:41:53] Thank you

[1:41:54] And every year during that part

[1:41:55] of that tree preservation plan

[1:41:59] our city of Forester, along

[1:42:02] with um our public works team

[1:42:03] and stormwater team. We look at

[1:42:05] where we can plant this trees

[1:42:06] every year. So I, I can

[1:42:06] t

[1:42:07] remember what do, how many

[1:42:08] trees did we plant this year

[1:42:10] just out of that fund alone.

[1:42:12] Sorry to put you on the spot,

[1:42:14] Brian. Over 50 so far, but I

[1:42:16] still plan to do a fall

[1:42:17] planting, so and we

[1:42:17] ll probably

[1:42:20] get an additional 30 to 40.

[1:42:21] Oh

[1:42:23] Again, not ideal, by any

[1:42:25] stretch the news I want

[1:42:26] to report, but just something

[1:42:30] to consider.

[1:42:33] So I think

[1:42:34] oops, that was not what I

[1:42:36] wanted to do.

[1:42:42] To get back to my pointer

[1:42:43] So this is just a little bit of

[1:42:44] video if you weren

[1:42:44] t on the

[1:42:45] tour. So this kind of shows a

[1:42:59] little bit more

[1:43:00] So as it comes to community

[1:43:02] engagement, I think this is the

[1:43:04] important factor of a lot of

[1:43:05] the things the reasons why we

[1:43:07] do what we do.

[1:43:08] Um, so following the kind of

[1:43:10] modeling that we did with the

[1:43:12] Southern Lakes Park and the

[1:43:14] vmcc playground Replacement

[1:43:16] Park, or plain replacement at

[1:43:18] the park. Um, we started this

[1:43:19] particular process of

[1:43:20] engagement about 7 months prior

[1:43:23] to any level of insulation.

[1:43:25] That gives us the opportunity

[1:43:26] through different mechanisms of

[1:43:28] engagement to really hear from

[1:43:29] the community. Both broad

[1:43:32] community as a whole, but also

[1:43:34] um within the neighborhood as

[1:43:36] well. So that same approach is

[1:43:36] what

[1:43:37] we

[1:43:37] ll do and I

[1:43:38] ll speak to this

[1:43:39] flyer here shortly.

[1:43:40] But I wanted to break down kind

[1:43:41] of what we

[1:43:42] re doing for that

[1:43:42] engagement. So as you

[1:43:43] ve seen

[1:43:44] on the previous slide, you

[1:43:45] ll

[1:43:47] see a postcard that is a survey

[1:43:48] with a qr code that is open to

[1:43:50] all of our city residents. It

[1:43:51] opened last week, SEPTEMBER 2nd,

[1:43:52] and I

[1:43:53] ll go through the 22 or

[1:43:55] 23rd.

[1:43:57] That survey will be posted to

[1:43:59] our website on our current and

[1:44:01] future projects page. Also be a

[1:44:03] social media campaign which if

[1:44:05] he follows a social media page,

[1:44:05] it

[1:44:06] s already up there. We

[1:44:06] ll

[1:44:10] also do an on-site open house

[1:44:12] at Sifahall Park itself on

[1:44:14] Tuesday, OCTOBER 21st, from 50

[1:44:16] to 6:30 P.M. Um, so I invite

[1:44:17] all commissioners to come, be a

[1:44:18] part of that. It

[1:44:19] s a great

[1:44:21] experience. Um, and then that

[1:44:22] postcard that you just seen was

[1:44:24] sent to over about 1000

[1:44:25] residents in that neighborhood.

[1:44:28] So they, they have direct

[1:44:28] knowledge of what

[1:44:30] s happening

[1:44:33] within close proximity to that

[1:44:34] particular park and that either

[1:44:36] then use the survey

[1:44:37] or

[1:44:40] come to the open house. I can

[1:44:42] report as of JUNE or JUNE,

[1:44:44] SEPTEMBER of last week, which

[1:44:46] was JUNE, I keep saying JUNE.

[1:44:48] What was last Friday

[1:44:52] Was that that the 5th 5th, we

[1:44:54] had over 100 survey respondents

[1:44:56] It was open for 5 days. So

[1:44:58] again, when you open a broadly

[1:44:59] to the community, you got all

[1:45:01] types of different response and

[1:45:02] comments, which this will, I

[1:45:04] will report these out to the to

[1:45:08] the practice itself.

[1:45:10] So as we look at a timeline, we

[1:45:12] have a meeting um set up with

[1:45:14] flagship lsi, um, that is the

[1:45:15] same group that did Southern

[1:45:17] Lakes. It is the same group

[1:45:19] that did uh Fat Valley and the

[1:45:21] same group that did Heriage

[1:45:22] Village Park. The way we

[1:45:22] re

[1:45:24] able to select directly working

[1:45:26] with this vendor as they are on

[1:45:27] the state contract and if a

[1:45:28] vendor is on a state contract,

[1:45:29] we

[1:45:30] re able to work directly

[1:45:32] with them and not um having to

[1:45:33] necessarily go through the

[1:45:36] bidding process or rfp process.

[1:45:37] Um, great product, great

[1:45:38] quality, so we

[1:45:40] chosen to utilize them so

[1:45:40] they

[1:45:42] ll be working with us as a

[1:45:44] design team. So shortly after

[1:45:46] we get the survey results, um,

[1:45:47] again, we

[1:45:49] ll meet with flagship

[1:45:51] between SEPTEMBER 24th and 29th

[1:45:53] for the next kind of several

[1:45:54] weeks after that, uh, flagship

[1:45:56] will start working on

[1:45:58] preliminary designs based on

[1:46:00] the server results and feedback

[1:46:01] from staff.

[1:46:03] We also at that time, at the

[1:46:03] end of that, we

[1:46:04] ll be able to

[1:46:05] hopefully present those

[1:46:06] preliminary designs to that

[1:46:07] open house.

[1:46:08] Hey, we

[1:46:10] ve heard feedback.

[1:46:10] Here

[1:46:11] s what could end up, well,

[1:46:12] probably a couple different

[1:46:14] options. Flagship will be there.

[1:46:14] They

[1:46:14] re gonna, we

[1:46:15] re gonna want

[1:46:17] to listen, um, and we

[1:46:17] ll really

[1:46:19] try to gauge and collect the

[1:46:20] data of what people like or

[1:46:20] don

[1:46:21] t like.

[1:46:23] And then will allow us after

[1:46:26] that, um, to do any refinements

[1:46:29] from OCTOBER 27th to the 31st.

[1:46:30] And then ultimately again the

[1:46:31] reason your announcement you

[1:46:32] had a work session on NOVEMBER

[1:46:34] 12th. We will bring those two

[1:46:36] options. I need tweaks and

[1:46:37] feedbacks for you as a

[1:46:39] commission to select one of the

[1:46:40] two options.

[1:46:43] And then at the 12th meeting

[1:46:44] um the regular scheduled

[1:46:48] meeting at 7, we ask you to

[1:46:51] provide um a recommendation for

[1:46:52] council to approve the

[1:46:53] authorization to purchase in

[1:46:56] year 2025, so we could take

[1:46:57] advantage of 2025 pricing. Then

[1:46:57] that

[1:47:01] ll allow us then to more

[1:47:05] than likely um do some level of

[1:47:06] um deconstruction of the

[1:47:07] current playgrounds container

[1:47:07] so that we

[1:47:08] re one of the first

[1:47:09] things to happen right away in

[1:47:10] the spring.

[1:47:13] So that we can hopefully open

[1:47:14] early spring or late spring

[1:47:17] early summer of next year.

[1:47:21] Any questions

[1:47:23] Our decisions on NOVEMBER 12

[1:47:25] back to back. Is that?

[1:47:26] Correct. So as you look at the

[1:47:28] work session on NOVEMBER 12th

[1:47:30] at 5 P.M. This particular one

[1:47:32] will, will vet all the final,

[1:47:33] the two options. Say what you

[1:47:33] like or don

[1:47:34] t like, or if you

[1:47:36] want to just say we prefer this

[1:47:38] one. Then at the following

[1:47:40] meeting, we will um still

[1:47:42] presented as a brand new, not

[1:47:44] brand new project, but

[1:47:45] without knowing and

[1:47:46] understanding what the actual

[1:47:47] recommendation was from the 5

[1:47:47] o

[1:47:47] clock. I

[1:47:48] ll include it in the

[1:47:50] packet or in the presentation

[1:47:51] and then ask for a

[1:47:54] recommendation.

[1:47:56] Other questions

[1:47:58] I got a quick one because I

[1:47:58] m

[1:48:00] bummed about the tree. Could

[1:48:03] you do a separate, like

[1:48:05] satellite container for swings,

[1:48:06] like do they have to be

[1:48:08] connected?

[1:48:11] We could, um

[1:48:12] you know, typically we

[1:48:14] d run

[1:48:17] with one container that houses

[1:48:19] the 2 to 5 age group, the 5 to

[1:48:21] 12 age group, and then

[1:48:23] stand-alone pieces plus swings,

[1:48:24] um,

[1:48:25] I guess if we had a separate

[1:48:26] container, that would probably

[1:48:27] now we

[1:48:29] d have to bring sidewalk

[1:48:30] around the container somehow or

[1:48:32] off the trail somehow to the

[1:48:34] new container. Um

[1:48:34] I

[1:48:35] m not saying we can

[1:48:36] t, um,

[1:48:37] but is

[1:48:39] a possibility, and that

[1:48:39] s the

[1:48:40] reasons why the price will go

[1:48:41] up because we

[1:48:41] ll have to have

[1:48:43] trail leading up to it.

[1:48:47] Cool, thank you

[1:48:49] And again, I

[1:48:50] m not asking for

[1:48:51] any formal action. Just wanted

[1:48:52] to give an update.

[1:48:54] Thank you, Adam. Yep, now we

[1:48:56] can take a break. Please sit

[1:48:58] down. Yes.

[1:48:58] All right, we

[1:49:00] re going to go on

[1:49:02] to administrative presentations

[1:49:04] and our park superintendent, uh,

[1:49:05] Brian Swoboda, would you give a

[1:49:07] report to us, please? Sure.

[1:49:09] Good evening, Chair,

[1:49:11] commissioners, um

[1:49:13] as you probably all aware, uh,

[1:49:15] falls in the air here and, uh,

[1:49:16] it

[1:49:17] s

[1:49:19] a very, very busy fall. Uh, the

[1:49:22] rain has not stopped. The grass

[1:49:24] continues to grow. Um, I got 3

[1:49:26] remaining seasonals, um, and

[1:49:27] some tired full-time employees

[1:49:28] besides, but uh we

[1:49:29] re making

[1:49:31] the best of what we can do out

[1:49:33] there, um, ball tournaments

[1:49:35] continue to happen. Uh, every

[1:49:36] weekend again, all the way

[1:49:38] through the end of SEPTEMBER.

[1:49:40] Uh, our picnic shelters and

[1:49:42] rentals have been very busy

[1:49:44] with, uh, you know, typically 4

[1:49:46] every weekend in South Valley,

[1:49:47] uh,

[1:49:49] couple of the swing bridge at

[1:49:50] Rich Valley. Um, so that takes

[1:49:52] up, you know, a lot of weekend

[1:49:54] hours, uh, preparing and

[1:49:56] turning over ball fields and

[1:49:57] cleaning bathrooms and

[1:49:58] preparing for the next picnic

[1:50:00] to come in.

[1:50:02] Um, crews also been doing a lot

[1:50:03] of landscape maintenance

[1:50:04] through road or park system.

[1:50:07] You know, trimming shrubs,

[1:50:08] pulling weeds, spraying, uh,

[1:50:10] replacing plants, that sort of

[1:50:11] stuff. Um, we

[1:50:12] ve also been

[1:50:14] working on stump grinding. We

[1:50:16] had some storm damage. Uh, we

[1:50:17] had about 25 trees out there

[1:50:19] that had either were storm

[1:50:22] damaged or died for some reason

[1:50:22] or not. Uh, so we had the

[1:50:23] stumps grown and now we

[1:50:24] re

[1:50:25] working on a tree replacement

[1:50:27] plan, uh, to get those replaced.

[1:50:28] Um, we

[1:50:30] re also, uh, have a few

[1:50:33] irrigation issues out there, um.

[1:50:33] It

[1:50:34] s that time of the year

[1:50:34] where we like to get that sort

[1:50:36] of stuff fixed before we do

[1:50:38] blowouts, uh, and we typically

[1:50:40] do irrigation blowouts in the

[1:50:41] middle of OCTOBER, so we

[1:50:41] re

[1:50:42] trying to make sure the systems

[1:50:44] are still running correctly the

[1:50:45] way they should. Um, even

[1:50:46] though

[1:50:48] you know, the, the rates and

[1:50:51] times have been way lower just

[1:50:52] due to the the rain amount that

[1:50:52] we

[1:50:53] ve had this year. They

[1:50:54] ve

[1:50:55] ran actually very little. Um,

[1:50:57] so when we do turn them on, we

[1:50:59] do see leaks. We see heads that

[1:50:59] aren

[1:51:00] t moving and that sort of

[1:51:03] stuff.

[1:51:03] Um, Crew

[1:51:04] s also been busy. Uh,

[1:51:06] we have a lot of natural

[1:51:09] area trails through the woods

[1:51:11] like Marianna Ranch and Harmon

[1:51:13] Mike Harmon Park Bike reserve,

[1:51:14] um, you know, there

[1:51:15] s probably

[1:51:17] close to 15 miles of those

[1:51:19] types of trails that need to be

[1:51:20] mowed, not on a regular basis,

[1:51:22] but, you know, every 4 to 6

[1:51:24] weeks, and with this year with

[1:51:26] all the rain, uh, it is every 4

[1:51:28] weeks. We need to mow or we

[1:51:28] re

[1:51:29] getting complaints that the

[1:51:31] grass is too high to even bite

[1:51:33] through, so.

[1:51:35] Uh, also been busy just, you

[1:51:35] know, keeping up painting

[1:51:37] soccer fields, football fields,

[1:51:39] fall lines, you know, all those

[1:51:41] fall sports that are out there.

[1:51:45] Um, we have about 3 weeks left,

[1:51:47] uh, of fall sports, um, in our

[1:51:49] owner and park system. Um, so

[1:51:49] that

[1:51:50] ll

[1:51:53] kick back a little bit on

[1:51:54] maintenance. I assume mowing

[1:51:56] will probably continue, you

[1:51:57] know, through mid-OCTOBER. And

[1:51:58] then it

[1:51:59] ll be leaf cleanup, of

[1:51:59] course.

[1:52:02] Um

[1:52:02] the crew

[1:52:04] s also been, uh,

[1:52:06] anticipating, uh, doing a

[1:52:08] prescribed burn at the Prairia

[1:52:09] Heritage Village Park. Uh, so

[1:52:09] we

[1:52:11] re in the process of cutting,

[1:52:14] uh, uh, burn brakes, uh, to

[1:52:15] contain the fire um, going

[1:52:17] around a lot of fence lines at

[1:52:21] the dog park, um, underneath

[1:52:22] electric standards, that sort

[1:52:23] of stuff.

[1:52:25] Uh

[1:52:27] other projects, uh, Heritage

[1:52:29] Village Park is coming along

[1:52:30] very nicely. They

[1:52:30] ve been

[1:52:31] working on the port and place

[1:52:32] rubber, the

[1:52:35] the, um

[1:52:38] of the playground, uh, they

[1:52:38] re

[1:52:41] probably 6 or 7 into it. Uh,

[1:52:41] it

[1:52:43] s looking very nicer into

[1:52:44] putting the colors and the, and

[1:52:46] the scheme on that. I

[1:52:47] anticipate they finish with the

[1:52:48] port in place by the end of the

[1:52:49] week.

[1:52:49] Uh, they

[1:52:51] ve also been pouring

[1:52:53] the remaining concrete there,

[1:52:53] um

[1:52:56] so I think they got, uh, the

[1:52:58] nine shade structure footings

[1:53:00] love to do, um, but otherwise,

[1:53:01] the concrete work will be done

[1:53:02] Uh, we

[1:53:05] re on about week 2 of

[1:53:06] the curing process, so in

[1:53:07] another couple of weeks we

[1:53:08] ll

[1:53:10] be starting with, uh, after he

[1:53:12] needs to sit for 30 days before

[1:53:14] we put the final quote on the

[1:53:15] actual splash pad where the

[1:53:16] features are going to be.

[1:53:17] Um

[1:53:18] we

[1:53:20] re also

[1:53:22] um, getting involved, uh, the

[1:53:24] West wheel at Rich Valley, um,

[1:53:26] is no longer being used for the

[1:53:27] season. It

[1:53:28] s just the east

[1:53:30] field with, uh, all the

[1:53:31] baseball fields, uh, so we

[1:53:32] re

[1:53:33] anticipating doing a

[1:53:35] restoration on the infields. Um,

[1:53:36] we have

[1:53:39] edge lips of the infields, uh,

[1:53:39] they

[1:53:41] re really bad and and

[1:53:41] hazardous, so we

[1:53:42] re going to

[1:53:44] start working on some of those.

[1:53:44] Um, we

[1:53:46] ll also get a punch list

[1:53:47] of items at South Valley Park

[1:53:48] that we

[1:53:49] re going to continue to

[1:53:52] work on to, you know, to get

[1:53:54] the turf to more established,

[1:53:56] uh, fixing erosion problems and

[1:53:58] a handful of other things.

[1:53:59] Um

[1:54:02] the goats at South Valley, um,

[1:54:02] they

[1:54:02] re, they

[1:54:03] re doing very

[1:54:05] well. Um, we

[1:54:05] re re-grazing them

[1:54:07] now. They

[1:54:08] re on the 3rd Paddo

[1:54:10] 3rd, um, so

[1:54:10] basically they

[1:54:11] re on the 2nd

[1:54:15] round, on the 3rd pin.

[1:54:17] Still lots of, lots of people

[1:54:18] going to see him and where are

[1:54:20] the goats at, um, so it

[1:54:20] s been

[1:54:22] neat to see.

[1:54:23] Uh, let

[1:54:24] s see.

[1:54:28] A few weeks ago, I got, uh,

[1:54:29] approached by an employee that

[1:54:30] he

[1:54:32] put in his resignation.

[1:54:33] Um, so

[1:54:36] that employer will be leaving

[1:54:39] SEPTEMBER 26th, um, so I

[1:54:39] ve

[1:54:40] also been in the process of

[1:54:42] posting that position and

[1:54:43] rehiring them as soon as

[1:54:44] possible.

[1:54:45] Other than that, I

[1:54:46] d be happy

[1:54:49] to answer any questions.

[1:54:51] Thank you, Brian. Any questions?

[1:54:54] Yes. Is the Hawk still at South

[1:54:58] Valley, or have they, I believe

[1:54:58] it

[1:55:00] s young, grew up and flew

[1:55:00] away, so it

[1:55:02] s not so protective

[1:55:03] anymore. I have not heard of

[1:55:04] anybody being chased down

[1:55:05] lately.

[1:55:09] The hawk, did you say? Oh.

[1:55:11] Yeah, actually, I was at the

[1:55:13] grove swimming, and there was a

[1:55:15] hawk that flew into the window

[1:55:16] twice. I don

[1:55:17] t know if it saw

[1:55:18] its reflection or what, but it

[1:55:20] was like, boom, it was loud. I

[1:55:22] was like, these are some strong

[1:55:23] windows. Thank goodness. Oh,

[1:55:25] and the hawk was ok as far as

[1:55:29] you know.

[1:55:31] Ok. Any other questions,

[1:55:32] comments for Brian?

[1:55:34] Thank you, sir

[1:55:35] Um, and now we

[1:55:36] ll have it.

[1:55:37] Julie Dorszek, who

[1:55:37] s our

[1:55:38] recreation superintendent,

[1:55:39] would you give a snub date,

[1:55:40] please? I will do that. Good

[1:55:42] evening, Chair Cook, members of

[1:55:45] the commission. Um, quick

[1:55:47] Community Center update. Uh,

[1:55:48] our fall membership special is

[1:55:50] going to be starting tomorrow,

[1:55:52] um, if you register between

[1:55:54] SEPTEMBER 11th and OCTOBER 10th,

[1:55:55] um, we

[1:55:56] ve reduced the

[1:55:58] enrollment fee to $25 rather

[1:55:59] than the $79 that

[1:56:00] s typically,

[1:56:02] uh, charged, um.

[1:56:03] As Brian said, as we head into

[1:56:05] the fall season, people start

[1:56:07] becoming more active in the

[1:56:08] community center, um, the girls

[1:56:11] swim team also came back to, um,

[1:56:13] for their season and which goes

[1:56:14] through NOVEMBER they utilize

[1:56:16] our facility, the Aquatic

[1:56:17] Center, from 3 to 6 every

[1:56:18] Monday through Friday, um, and

[1:56:20] then also some Saturday morning

[1:56:22] times and so that does impact

[1:56:23] our member swimming, um,

[1:56:25] aspects a little bit, but, um,

[1:56:25] that

[1:56:26] s part of our contract

[1:56:27] with them and that

[1:56:27] s expected

[1:56:27] and that

[1:56:29] s kind of an ongoing

[1:56:31] part of our um program that we

[1:56:32] run at the community center

[1:56:36] um, also a couple of fitness,

[1:56:38] um, updates our fitness offices

[1:56:40] were recently remodeled last

[1:56:41] week. Um, so it

[1:56:42] s a much needed

[1:56:44] improvement for our fitness

[1:56:46] staff to have um an environment

[1:56:46] that

[1:56:47] s welcoming for our

[1:56:48] customers, people that come in

[1:56:50] and have a personal training

[1:56:51] meeting with our staff and

[1:56:52] there

[1:56:53] s a gathering place for

[1:56:55] them as well as for our two new

[1:56:58] staff members to have a, um,

[1:56:59] their office combined and they

[1:57:00] can work in the same office

[1:57:01] space. So it

[1:57:01] s the first time

[1:57:02] that we

[1:57:02] ve

[1:57:04] uh, done that in a number of

[1:57:06] years of the previous office

[1:57:08] furniture was kind of piecemeal

[1:57:10] together so it really looks

[1:57:11] nice go down and you can feel

[1:57:13] free to stop in and say hi and

[1:57:14] check out the new furniture and

[1:57:15] then also at the end of this

[1:57:16] month we

[1:57:17] re going to be

[1:57:19] replacing our fitness flooring.

[1:57:19] So that

[1:57:20] s going to have a

[1:57:22] substantial impact on our

[1:57:24] fitness space for about a

[1:57:24] week

[1:57:25] s time. Um, we

[1:57:25] ll take

[1:57:27] some time to create other

[1:57:28] optional spaces for people to

[1:57:30] be able to work out because we

[1:57:31] have to remove everything out

[1:57:32] of the fitness area.

[1:57:34] And then um move it to, we

[1:57:35] re

[1:57:35] gonna move the strength

[1:57:37] training equipment into the

[1:57:39] bright side room and then move

[1:57:41] the cardio equipment into the

[1:57:42] poolside room and there

[1:57:42] s a

[1:57:43] conference room right there

[1:57:45] that the birthday party space

[1:57:46] so the

[1:57:48] areas will be a

[1:57:49] changed a little bit but we

[1:57:49] re

[1:57:51] doing our best to accommodate

[1:57:53] and create additional spaces

[1:57:55] for our customers to be able to

[1:57:56] I believe our fitness, um,

[1:57:57] staff is also going to create a

[1:58:00] circuit area along the track or

[1:58:01] a portion of the track upstairs.

[1:58:03] And so, um, again, doing our

[1:58:06] best to create an optional um

[1:58:08] space and create some fun new,

[1:58:09] maybe exercise routines for

[1:58:11] people to try out while the

[1:58:14] space is being revised and

[1:58:16] updated with an improved look.

[1:58:17] Um.

[1:58:18] What else did I want to tell

[1:58:20] you about when is that going to

[1:58:22] happen? Pardon me, what is that

[1:58:25] going to happen? It starts

[1:58:26] some of the some of the

[1:58:28] equipment will be start to be

[1:58:29] moved on SEPTEMBER 29th, and it

[1:58:31] should be completed by OCTOBER

[1:58:33] 5th, I believe that Monday,

[1:58:33] it

[1:58:35] ll be ready, um, for

[1:58:38] customers to go into the new to

[1:58:40] the revised fitness space.

[1:58:41] Yeah

[1:58:41] They

[1:58:43] ll be plenty of signage

[1:58:44] around we

[1:58:45] re gonna start

[1:58:46] communicating it out we

[1:58:46] ve sent

[1:58:47] out member emails already

[1:58:48] letting people know, but

[1:58:49] there

[1:58:50] ll be daily signs that

[1:58:50] ll

[1:58:51] let people know like, go to

[1:58:53] this space for this equipment

[1:58:54] goal here for this equipment,

[1:58:55] our goal here for the strength

[1:58:57] training equipment. So there

[1:58:57] ll

[1:58:59] be plenty of information coming

[1:59:00] for people to know where they

[1:59:02] can go and where they can

[1:59:04] utilize their equipment so that

[1:59:06] their typical routines. The,

[1:59:07] the biggest impact will more

[1:59:08] than likely be our treadmills.

[1:59:09] We don

[1:59:10] t have enough electrical

[1:59:11] spaces

[1:59:13] in order to house the number of

[1:59:15] terminals that we typically

[1:59:16] have on the floor, so we

[1:59:16] ll

[1:59:18] have at least some options and

[1:59:19] then like I said, we

[1:59:20] ll create

[1:59:22] other options for people to

[1:59:23] utilize to get their workouts

[1:59:25] in.

[1:59:27] Um, then I

[1:59:28] m moving on to just

[1:59:31] re um our regular recreation

[1:59:33] programs, as Brian said, all

[1:59:34] the work that he does, we have

[1:59:36] to to some degree we

[1:59:36] re the

[1:59:37] ones that in our department

[1:59:38] that create those rental

[1:59:40] permits and create those and

[1:59:41] schedule those activities out

[1:59:44] and so, um, our staff are busy

[1:59:47] on doing that. Uh, we currently

[1:59:50] have 311 programs that are

[1:59:52] being offered right now and we

[1:59:53] have about 1,081 participants

[1:59:55] that have registered for those

[1:59:56] programs. Those are things like,

[1:59:58] like football, soccer

[2:00:02] swimming lessons, etc

[2:00:03] On SEPTEMBER 19th, we

[2:00:03] re going

[2:00:06] to be offering our third year

[2:00:08] of the 5th quarter events. It

[2:00:08] s

[2:00:09] a collaborative program that we

[2:00:10] offer with the school district

[2:00:12] with the sparc program and so

[2:00:15] at that we usually have up to,

[2:00:18] well, actually last year we had

[2:00:20] over 200 students participate

[2:00:22] in that, that were in grades 6

[2:00:23] through 8. So we actually

[2:00:23] closed down, it

[2:00:24] s after the

[2:00:26] bmcc closes. We started at 9:30

[2:00:28] at night and we go till 11:30

[2:00:30] at night and

[2:00:32] we open up our facility for

[2:00:33] those young people to come and

[2:00:35] have fun and we create

[2:00:36] different stations and

[2:00:37] activities for them to

[2:00:38] participate in, um, it

[2:00:38] s really

[2:00:41] great, really well attended

[2:00:41] event and it

[2:00:43] s a lot of fun. Um,

[2:00:45] and then Al talked a lot about,

[2:00:46] um, some of the fall programs

[2:00:47] that he has coming up, so I

[2:00:48] m

[2:00:49] going to skip those that I have

[2:00:50] on my list. And then we just

[2:00:52] have a lot of ongoing tasks,

[2:00:52] which I think I

[2:00:53] ve mentioned to

[2:00:55] you all in the past, um,

[2:00:57] working on the 2026 budget,

[2:00:59] kind of finishing and refining

[2:01:00] that, monitoring the 202

[2:01:03] 5 budget. Um, software review

[2:01:06] is ongoing for narrowing that

[2:01:07] down and hoping to have a

[2:01:09] decision in the next 30 to 60

[2:01:13] days on a future, um, facility

[2:01:15] and reservation software

[2:01:16] program that would replace the

[2:01:16] current.

[2:01:18] Software system that we have,

[2:01:18] which just doesn

[2:01:19] t really work

[2:01:20] very well for us.

[2:01:21] Can I ask you a question about

[2:01:23] that? With the new software

[2:01:35] system Yes, yes, um, so many

[2:01:35] improvements it

[2:01:37] s um I was just

[2:01:38] telling Adam today we had

[2:01:39] another meeting with them this

[2:01:40] morning, so we went through the

[2:01:42] financial aspects of of the

[2:01:44] software and

[2:01:44] it

[2:01:44] s

[2:01:44] I

[2:01:45] m

[2:01:46] I don

[2:01:47] t want to get too excited

[2:01:48] because, you know, it always

[2:01:49] feels like it

[2:01:49] s maybe too good

[2:01:51] to be true, but it sure feels

[2:01:52] like it

[2:01:55] s um, a really great

[2:01:57] software company um, what I

[2:01:57] m

[2:01:58] hearing about the customers

[2:02:01] that are currently utilizing

[2:02:02] the software. There

[2:02:03] s no red

[2:02:04] flags. There

[2:02:05] s no significant

[2:02:07] issues with, with the software

[2:02:07] from what I

[2:02:09] m hearing so very

[2:02:10] cautiously optimistic that it

[2:02:10] s

[2:02:11] gonna be a huge improvement for

[2:02:12] us. I mean, obviously there

[2:02:12] s a

[2:02:14] lot of work to do to transition

[2:02:16] to that new software system

[2:02:16] and it

[2:02:17] s going to take a lot of

[2:02:19] time and planning, but, um,

[2:02:19] we

[2:02:20] re, we

[2:02:21] re excited to get

[2:02:23] moving towards that.

[2:02:24] Will it make sure that I scan

[2:02:26] the right kid with the right

[2:02:27] card when I come in with my 3

[2:02:29] kids should be able to have

[2:02:31] iPads that would then, um, you

[2:02:32] would just scan and go like,

[2:02:34] you would just be able to have

[2:02:36] your use your

[2:02:37] you they, they would have an

[2:02:38] app and you would have your qr

[2:02:39] code right here. Oh, that

[2:02:39] s so

[2:02:41] cool and you just, yeah, I

[2:02:42] signed into the activity that

[2:02:42] you

[2:02:43] re registered for and it

[2:02:44] would pop up and say, oh, are

[2:02:45] you here for swimming lessons

[2:02:48] or are you here, you know, so

[2:02:48] at least that

[2:02:49] s what it sounds

[2:02:50] like. So a lot more to come,

[2:02:51] we

[2:02:52] re still just in the demoing

[2:02:55] stage, but, um, as we begin

[2:02:56] transitioning and starting to

[2:02:58] implement the software we

[2:02:58] re

[2:02:59] we

[2:02:59] re, we

[2:02:59] re very cautiously

[2:03:00] optimistic that it

[2:03:01] s gonna be a

[2:03:02] great improvement. You had me

[2:03:02] no matter what it

[2:03:03] s going to be

[2:03:04] better than what we have.

[2:03:05] Um, I think that that

[2:03:06] s really,

[2:03:08] um, the majority of my update,

[2:03:08] um, and we

[2:03:09] re also obviously

[2:03:11] starting to work on our winter

[2:03:12] brochure. So I

[2:03:13] ll stand for any

[2:03:15] questions. Great.

[2:03:17] Thank you. Julie, uh, very much,

[2:03:20] uh, any questions for Julie?

[2:03:23] Comments? I just have a comment,

[2:03:24] uh, I already texted out

[2:03:25] because I thought his

[2:03:27] presentation was awesome, but

[2:03:27] it

[2:03:27] s so I

[2:03:29] ve worked with them

[2:03:30] forever, but it

[2:03:31] s so awesome to

[2:03:32] see him like really jumping

[2:03:33] into it. He

[2:03:34] s so enthusiastic

[2:03:35] about it. So I feel like we

[2:03:36] re

[2:03:37] really lucky to have somebody,

[2:03:39] uh, you know, in charge, who,

[2:03:39] who

[2:03:41] s that excited about it.

[2:03:43] Lots of energy, yes, yes.

[2:03:43] Thank you. I

[2:03:44] ll share that with

[2:03:47] him. Thank you. Mhm.

[2:03:49] Ok. Anything else? Thank you,

[2:03:51] Julie, very much and Adams back

[2:03:54] to you, please, for the, uh,

[2:03:55] park superintendent or excuse

[2:03:58] me for the, uh, well, for the,

[2:04:00] the whole director update

[2:04:01] business.

[2:04:03] Have any comments this evening.

[2:04:05] Excuse me. Are you sure? You

[2:04:06] want to think about that,

[2:04:06] Julian

[2:04:07] s such a wonderful job.

[2:04:08] I, I don

[2:04:09] t have any additional

[2:04:11] comments. Wow, amazing. Ok. Do,

[2:04:13] does anybody have any questions

[2:04:17] for Adam or comments, or?

[2:04:19] Once again, things, uh, just

[2:04:21] seem to be running so well here,

[2:04:23] and I participate 4 days a week

[2:04:25] and, and it just, uh, just a

[2:04:28] pleasure to be here and to, and

[2:04:30] so many, uh, and so much energy

[2:04:35] and, and so well, um, uh.

[2:04:37] Running and uh then of course

[2:04:38] in our park system just with,

[2:04:38] it

[2:04:39] s a jewel, you know, what we

[2:04:41] have here and uh

[2:04:43] um, so thank you, thank you all

[2:04:45] so much for what you do and

[2:04:46] Adam for the leadership you

[2:04:49] provide and

[2:04:50] and uh at this point, we

[2:04:50] re

[2:04:52] going to go to Commissioner

[2:04:55] comments to see, um, kind of

[2:04:56] try to keep it to 30 minutes,

[2:04:58] if you would each, um, that

[2:05:00] would be appreciated at this

[2:05:01] hour. So, Nikki, what do you

[2:05:02] have? No, it

[2:05:04] s past my bedtime,

[2:05:05] huh. I got nothing. You don

[2:05:06] t

[2:05:08] have, ok. Have, ok. Look,

[2:05:09] saying have, ok., we

[2:05:11] re good.

[2:05:13] Sandy, Luisa, thank you,

[2:05:14] everyone. Ok, no comment, no

[2:05:16] comment, no comment either.

[2:05:17] Goodness gracious.

[2:05:18] All right, we

[2:05:19] ve come to the

[2:05:20] end of another meeting, and I

[2:05:24] will entertain a motion to

[2:05:26] adjourn this particular meeting.

[2:05:26] He

[2:05:29] s your 2nd.. 0, 2nd. All

[2:05:31] right, Nikki seconds, all in

[2:05:33] favor of adjourning the meeting.

[2:05:34] Uh, please signify by saying hi,

[2:05:36] hi, and he opposed. All right,

[2:05:36] we

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