[0:11] Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to this special council meeting.

[0:14] I'm warden Brian Austrander. And I'll call this. Before I

[0:23] call this meeting to order, I'll ask that everyone please

[0:25] silence cell phones and other electronic devices and keep them

[0:28] away from microphones to avoid interference for those attending today's.

[0:33] Meeting. Please note the video recording is in progress. And

[0:36] also note that. Live auto captioning is enabled on the

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[0:47] I'll call the special meeting of the Northumberland County Council

[0:50] to order. At 02:34 p.m. On March 6, 2024. I

[0:57] can see that Deputy Warden Henkifsky is here and that

[1:01] councilors Cleveland crate. Jib local and Martin are also here

[1:05] and present in the chamber. And I will also recognize

[1:09] that. I believe Koberg councilor Bureau is joining us. Virtually

[1:15] on zoom. Are there any questions of members of county

[1:20] council before we begin? I would like to formally recognize

[1:23] the traditional keepers of this land and specifically our neighbors

[1:26] of the Alderville First Nation with a formal territorial acknowledgment.

[1:34] We respectfully acknowledge Northumberland county is located on the Mississauga

[1:37] Anushnabic territory. And is a traditional territory of the Mississauga.

[1:41] Northumberland county respectfully acknowledges that the Mississauga nations are the

[1:45] collective stewards and caretakers of these lands and waters. In

[1:48] perpetuity and that they continue to maintain this responsibility to

[1:51] ensure their health and integrity for generations. To come. The

[2:00] agenda is before us. And the motion reads that the

[2:02] special county council agenda for Wednesday, March 6, 2024 be

[2:06] approved? Is there a mover? Depie, warden, seconded by councilor

[2:12] Logel. Is there any discussion? Those in favor? Any opposed?

[2:22] Motions carried. Members of council, do you have any declarations

[2:26] of pecuniary interest, and if so, please state the general

[2:28] nature thereof. There are no noted. We have no

[2:38] presentations. We have no minutes to adopt. There's no business

[2:41] arising. There is. No communications before us. There is no

[2:45] determination of items requiring separate discussion. There is no adoption

[2:49] of items requiring separate discussion. There's no consideration of. Items

[2:58] requiring separate discussion, and there are no bylaws to enact

[3:01] before we head into the new business that's before us.

[3:04] I'd like to note that we are gathered this afternoon

[3:06] to address topics. Of great significance and complexity. The purchase

[3:12] and purpose of 310 Division street in Coburg and the

[3:15] urgent need to find a solution for unhoused residents. I'm

[3:20] abundantly aware that this is a matter that stirs passions,

[3:23] reawakens. Traumas and raises valid concerns and fears within the

[3:27] community. It is therefore imperative that we approach. This discussion

[3:31] with a commitment to collaboration, partnerships, and, of course, mutual

[3:35] respect for our colleagues, the staff. At both county and

[3:39] the town and the residents whom we serve. I recognize

[3:43] that this is a topic with many considerations. It's not

[3:46] just about the physical. Space, but about the lives it

[3:49] will impact, both the residents living with homelessness and the

[3:53] neighbors. And the values that tackling the homelessness issue represents.

[3:58] It's about fostering a community that prioritizes compassion, dignity and

[4:01] inclusivity. For all its members, while also holding true to

[4:06] the tenets of safety, security, and pride of place. This

[4:10] chamber is a place where we come to exchange diverse

[4:13] perspectives. We do so with civility and respect, with a

[4:17] commitment to human rights in the language we use and

[4:19] the approaches we take, and with the aim to find

[4:22] that common ground and find the best path forward. On

[4:25] behalf of the residents of Northumberland County. We all speak

[4:29] about being collaborators and good partners. So today I trust

[4:32] that we will put those words into action and find

[4:35] the best way forward on this complex issue. So move

[4:39] to new business. The town of Coberg's emergency care establishment,

[4:43] licensing bylaw. And potential impacts to homelessness system. This is

[4:48] a presentation. It will be provided by CAO Moore and

[4:56] associate director Carmen and I will turn the floor over.

[4:58] To the Cao. Keeping in mind, we're going to keep

[5:01] this high level, right? Yes. Thank you, warden. So with

[5:08] that in mind, As you said, it's a very complex

[5:13] issue with many facets to it. So we will try

[5:16] to keep it as brief as possible while still hitting

[5:19] on the salient points as we go through the conversation

[5:21] today? I won't dwell with a lot of remarks. I

[5:27] will turn it over to. Rebecca. Carmen. She will go

[5:31] through a presentation that is going to speak to what's

[5:35] happened. Up to today's date and what's got us to

[5:38] this point. Some of the potential impacts of the recent

[5:42] developments with respect to this, but also acknowledging that this

[5:46] is a very complex issue, and today's conversation will be

[5:49] focused on the 310 Division street. Facility. Along with the

[5:53] town of Cobra bylaw, there are many. Other issues going

[5:58] on in our broader community, but we will focus the

[6:01] presentation on just that topic. So with that, I'll turn

[6:04] it over to Rebecca. For the open portion of the

[6:09] presentation. Thank you, Jennifer. Okay. As Jennifer said, I am

[6:17] here today to talk about both the impacts of the

[6:22] town of Koberg's. Emergency care establishment licensing bylaw. As well

[6:27] as the impacts it has on 310 and the overall

[6:30] shelter system here in Northumberland on this slide, I outline

[6:34] the agenda that we will be working through today. To

[6:38] start, just as a reminder that Northumberland county is the

[6:41] designated service manager for the province in the delivery of

[6:45] housing and homelessness services along with other social services program,

[6:49] and this is governed by provincial legislation, particularly the Housing

[6:53] Services Act 2011. We are delegated by the province. To

[6:58] create ten year housing and homelessness plans that are updated

[7:01] every five years. These are approved through county council and

[7:04] then submitted to the province. We also fund local homelessness

[7:08] and housing systems. Through both levy funding as well as

[7:11] flow flu funding from the provincial and federal government. If

[7:15] we look at homelessness in Northumberland county, our current by

[7:18] name list shows that there are 94. Individuals experiencing homelessness

[7:25] and on the by name list in Northumberland county as

[7:28] of February 29, as a reminder. The purpose of our

[7:32] by name list is that we know people by name.

[7:34] We know their unique circumstances, and we are working with

[7:37] a collaborative group of agencies to support people with wraparound.

[7:41] Services to meet their housing goals. When we look at

[7:44] the breakdown of that by name list, we have 85

[7:47] individuals who have identified their household type as single. Six

[7:52] are single with children under the age of 18, and

[7:55] that doesn't include the children. That's the single person and

[7:59] three identifying as being part of a family. When we

[8:03] look at the monthly by name list. Over the past,

[8:07] it's ranged from the lowest around 60 and the highest

[8:10] around that 95. With the average being approximately 76. It's

[8:14] very common. By name lists and our homeless discount to

[8:19] fluctuate up and down with people coming into our homelessness

[8:21] system and people coming out of the homelessness system. The

[8:25] buy name list is consent based, so we also know

[8:28] and are working with people who are not on the

[8:31] by name list, but are experiencing homelessness. We also know

[8:35] that our homelessness stats on a monthly basis have been

[8:39] relatively stable, and as I said, those fluctuating numbers. Are

[8:44] very common. When we look at why someone our chronic

[8:49] homelessness number, we do have over 90% of our by

[8:52] nameless experiencing chronic homelessness. That means that these individuals are

[8:57] currently experiencing homelessness. And have a total of at least

[9:00] six months or more of homelessness over the past year.

[9:03] There are many reasons why someone. May have a status

[9:07] of chronic homelessness. This might include life events, things like

[9:11] the pandemic. Things like a death. As a close person,

[9:15] close family member, local emergencies, job loss, availability of support

[9:20] services, and also stigma. In the community. This includes what

[9:24] folks think it means to be homelessness. A homeless, a

[9:27] tie. To crime, a crime to a tie, to drug

[9:30] use. And it's very hard for someone. Who is homeless

[9:32] to find a landlord willing to rent to them. Despite

[9:35] that being a protected ground under the human rights code,

[9:39] our goal in the homelessness sector is to achieve what

[9:43] we call functional zero. That means that as many people

[9:46] who are coming into the system of homelessness match those

[9:50] who are coming out of homelessness, so homelessness will always

[9:53] be a part of our community. But working to create

[9:56] supports and places for people to go that match the

[9:58] need in our community. When we look at what we've

[10:02] been able to achieve since January 2022, 60 folks have

[10:06] been housed off of the by name list, and this

[10:09] year alone, between January and February 5 household. Five households

[10:12] have been housed from the byname list. In addition, we've

[10:17] also been able to support 62 households transition from homelessness

[10:21] to housing. Through shelter benefits. This would extend beyond those

[10:25] on the by name list as well. With our new

[10:27] housing stability program funded through the housing homelessness prevention program.

[10:31] We've supported 16 people. Experiencing homelessness achieve a permanent housing.

[10:37] Since April 2023. We have also funded additional outreach workers

[10:41] in our community, and we know that homelessness reaches all

[10:45] corners of our community, and we have specifically an outreach

[10:48] funded position that supports the eastern municipalities who are in

[10:51] the eastern municipalities of Northumberland. Providing services. And supporting people

[10:55] finding housing in those areas. When we think about what

[10:59] homeless services are. We're one part of a broad system

[11:03] of supports that are needed to support individuals who are

[11:06] struggling and vulnerable in our community, and this includes financial

[11:09] assistance through OW and ODSP. Health care, including mental health

[11:14] and substance use and the justice system. These are all

[11:17] interconnected systems. That we are a partner of and work

[11:20] alongside agencies in this area. When we look at the

[11:22] current state of sheltering in Northumberland, this slide walks through

[11:26] the various shelter options that are available in North Amberlyn

[11:29] county today. We have transition house has 22 shelter beds.

[11:37] Our overflow motel program has 15 beds. Family diversion. Can

[11:41] support up to four families. The warming hub supports up

[11:44] to 20 individuals at a time. We also have ad

[11:47] hoc, county funded motel beds that are available as needed

[11:51] that support situational homelessness and we have cornerst. Cornerstone Family

[11:55] Violence Prevention center that supports 15 women plus children. And

[11:59] this is just one piece of our homelessness response. When

[12:03] we look at who in north arm, Berlin is supported

[12:05] by our shelter system. These include both families and individuals.

[12:10] These include people who are experiencing homelessness or are at

[12:12] risk of experiencing homelessness those seeking emergency accommodations, people fleeing

[12:17] family violence and people fleeing human trafficking. People can be

[12:22] impacted by lack of aff. Affordable housing. Our rental crisis.

[12:26] Their inability to pay rent and mortgage due to financial

[12:29] means in their current affordable housing crisis. Illness, personal crisis,

[12:34] relationship separation, a job loss, reduced hours of work, substance

[12:38] use and closure or removal. Of rental units. So rental

[12:42] units can be temporarily or permanently removed from the system

[12:45] through fire code. Built in code, a sale of property

[12:48] by landlord or other reasons. When we think about how

[12:51] shelter providers support individual they provide. They support individuals through

[12:56] the provision of safe and secure temporary accommodation. 24 hours

[13:01] support for residents and case management. This slide walks through

[13:05] some of those key elements of case management that takes

[13:07] place in our sheltering services. At the bottom of the

[13:11] slide. There is. A graphic that shows all the various

[13:16] kinds of services that are available in our community that

[13:19] we work with folks who are experiencing housing and security

[13:22] and homelessness, which includes diversion, which means that if someone's

[13:26] coming into the shelter system. The first thing the shelter

[13:30] system will ask is there somewhere you can go? And

[13:32] if they need to go somewhere else, we can help

[13:34] facilitate that travel or that transition there. And are working

[13:39] towards increasing our drop in services so that 24/7 there

[13:43] will be somewhere for someone to go who needs a

[13:46] safe place to stay. We have. Our standard emergency shelters.

[13:51] That's through transition house, and we also have cornerstone providing

[13:54] that family violence specific shelter, transitional housing, which we're looking

[13:59] to increase as well at 310 division and our exit

[14:02] to permanent housing, which we have seen through our various

[14:05] rental subsidy programs that we've. Been increasing over time. Really

[14:09] the point here is that each one of these pieces

[14:11] is a single puzzle piece in a big puzzle, and

[14:14] we're working to put them all together at the same

[14:16] time. Sorry, the clicker is not. Thanks, Cheryl. We also

[14:25] wanted to highlight some common shelter best practices that we've

[14:28] seen and that we see throughout Ontario. So it does

[14:31] include a staff to client ratio. It does include the

[14:34] shelters operate as a low barrier. And low barrier means

[14:38] that we improve access to shelter services by lowering barriers.

[14:42] To entries such as sobriety requirements. Income requirements, space for

[14:47] couple, space for pets. And accessibility features. Low barrier does

[14:51] not mean no rules. There are rules at shelters which

[14:54] include theft violence and the use of drugs or alcohol

[14:59] substances on site. Those are some of the rules that

[15:02] shelters will often have. We also see best practices being

[15:06] in private and semi private room configurations and ensuring that

[15:10] there are supports available on site, which include wraparound services,

[15:14] individualized housing plan and diversion. Really focusing on that housing

[15:17] support that people need while they're in shelter. Next slide,

[15:21] please. We also see that. Shelters have established understanding of

[15:27] clients rights and responsibilities. Sometimes this comes in the form

[15:31] of a code of conduct, other times it doesn't. For

[15:33] example, Cornerstone Family Violence Prevention center, which is often referenced

[15:38] as a best practice in our community, does not have

[15:39] a code of conduct. They have documents that lay out

[15:43] the rules through resident handbooks. And documents that outline client

[15:46] rights and shelter provider responsibilities. And in these case, Cases.

[15:51] None of those code of conduct or rights and responsibilities

[15:53] extend beyond the four walls of the shelter. We also

[15:57] see standardized staff training, and we also see that from

[16:01] time to time, trained staff are often more effective than

[16:04] security. We have to recognize that staff need training and

[16:08] mental health and deescalation. But we also acknowledge. That security

[16:11] does bring peace of mind to the neighborhood, to potentially

[16:14] shelter workers, and to some residents. But it can also

[16:17] be very triggering and traumatizing for folks who have had

[16:21] poor experiences. In the past. With law enforcement or other

[16:26] measures. Next slide, please. When we look at what we've

[16:31] done so far in 2023, we have been making progress

[16:34] on improving the homelessness system, but it is definitely an

[16:38] uphill battle. But some of the things that we've seen

[16:41] so far is that we did provide. Almost 1100 shelter

[16:45] and housing benefits to people who are homeless or at

[16:47] risk of homelessness with our shelter partners. We capped 133

[16:52] emergency shelter users safe and 119 warming room users safe.

[16:57] We've added two new street outreach positions to our community.

[17:01] And invested $2.3 million into homelessness in Northumberland, of which

[17:05] 1.7 million was allocated specifically to emergency shelter support. Getting

[17:10] now specifically into 310. The next couple of slides have

[17:13] a lot of dates on them and this walks us

[17:15] through the timeline that we've gone through today. So we

[17:20] start with June 2023, where we had the ViNc report

[17:23] released on the sheltering. System, which made recommendations which we

[17:27] knew for a long time that we needed to find

[17:30] a new, modernized shelter service location for our community. On

[17:35] November 15, county council provided direction to staff. For us

[17:39] to proceed with purchasing 310 division for the purpose of

[17:43] a modernized shelter. December 4. We introduced this purchase through

[17:48] a media release web page, frequently asked questions and various

[17:52] other means. And on December 6, we held a special

[17:55] county council meeting introducing the purchase to public and hearing

[17:58] from community delegations. That same day, the MoU was signed

[18:02] between the county and transition house as directed by county

[18:05] council. On December 8, the transaction closed. 310 was now

[18:09] formally owned by the county. And since December, Transition House

[18:14] has been undertaking site preparation and operational planning for the

[18:17] relocation of these services. Since January 10 through to February

[18:21] 23, we've engaged the public service providers and most importantly,

[18:25] shelter users to understand their needs and expectations for the

[18:29] location. Since January 23, we've also been planning for operational

[18:34] launch and a legal agreement between the county and transition

[18:36] house, and we've been working with legal counsel since the.

[18:39] 23 January. To work towards drafting that agreement. In February

[18:44] 2, we met with transition house executives to discuss the

[18:47] terms we expected to see in a legally binding agreement.

[18:50] On February 14, county staff met with the town staff

[18:53] town of Coberg staff who shared high level themes of

[18:56] what was expected. In an agreement, and on February 29,

[19:01] we submitted a grant application to the Ontario trillion fund

[19:04] for support at 310 Division. Coming forward. We anticipate that

[19:09] the community engagement results will be shared on March 20

[19:12] with county council, and either in March or April, we

[19:15] are working towards being able to present that agreement. Between

[19:18] the county and transition house to county council. When we

[19:23] think of what we've heard so far at 310. Acknowledging

[19:26] that the final report is not quite done yet. We

[19:30] have brought forward some themes that are informing the development

[19:33] of our final agreement. The initial themes here are reflected

[19:36] on the slide to start. While we certainly have heard

[19:40] from residents and neighbors with concerns. We've also noted that

[19:45] there are people with strong support of the relocation and

[19:48] the opportunities that this will create. We've heard expression of

[19:51] support for the planned collaboration. We've heard hope for what

[19:55] this new configuration will do to support people in our

[19:58] community. We also saw throughout the process that there have

[20:02] been some misunderstandings on some of the details. Based on

[20:05] the feedback. We've been doing work to clarify what a

[20:07] low barrier shelter means. And what that looks like and

[20:12] how that impacts people. Transition House has also clarified that

[20:15] the use and distribution of substances is absolutely prohibited. At

[20:19] ten Chapel street and will continue to be the case

[20:21] for 310. We've also clarified and confirmed clearly that this

[20:25] will not be a safe injection site. In addition, We've

[20:30] also had some confusion around the number of beds that

[20:32] will be available at this site, and we've been working

[20:35] to clarify that our plan is for approximately. 35 shelter

[20:38] beds in addition to a drop in center, as well

[20:41] as transitional housing, community safety and wellbeing has been a

[20:45] consistent theme arising throughout community engagement. Specifically, people have concerns

[20:50] about loitering in front of the shelter. They have asked

[20:52] about security measures planned for the facilities, such as lightning,

[20:55] cameras, fencing and the exploration of private security. Services. And

[20:59] we've also heard about the broader crime concern in the

[21:02] downtown corps throughout the last several weeks, community engagements were

[21:06] frequently acknowledged as a good start, with people indicating they

[21:10] appreciated the opportunity for dialogue. Residents also want to see

[21:13] this continue. A transition house through an establishment of Community

[21:16] Liaison committee, which will meet. Regularly to share information, address

[21:20] questions, discuss, and collectively problem solve community concerns and links

[21:25] shelter needs with community offers of support. The community would

[21:28] like to ensure that the shelter operations are based on

[21:30] research and best practice and as staff have the necessary

[21:33] training and resources to meet the varied and complex needs

[21:36] of clients. There was also some interest, quite a bit

[21:39] of interest, in the agreement struck between a town of

[21:42] Whitby and the region of Durham for shelter opening in

[21:44] that community and how that agreement could inform an agreement

[21:47] between the county and town of Coberg. Finally, residents shared

[21:51] a strong desire to see increased mental health and addiction

[21:54] services be made available to address what is viewed as

[21:57] a significant need in our community. As we've moved forward

[21:59] and as I've indicated, we are working through an agreement.

[22:02] With transition house and this will be presented to county

[22:04] council in the coming months and will factor in the

[22:07] concerns and the feedback we've heard through community engagement. Some

[22:11] of these terms that have already been. Identified that will

[22:17] be in the agreement include a long term accountability mechanism,

[22:20] recognizing that this is a public asset, and we need

[22:23] to make sure there's that control of it. There will

[22:25] be. A community liaison committee. There will be ongoing community

[22:29] engagement activities, including regular correspondence with county and the town

[22:34] of Colberg. There is a commitment to operating as a

[22:37] low barrier shelter, not no barrier and not a safe

[22:41] injection site. There's been commitment to adhere to property standards

[22:44] bylaws we will cover. Payment terms, mortgage and interest. We

[22:49] will ensure that. Transition house is required to be in

[22:53] good standing with annual service agreements, operating audits and capital

[22:57] reserve planning and quarterly reporting. We will also ensure there's

[23:00] consideration of security enhancements within this agreement. This takes us

[23:05] to the second part of the presentation today, which is

[23:08] the town of Cobert's. Emergency care establishment. License bylaw. This

[23:13] was published on February 21 for February 28, town of

[23:17] Cobra council agenda with an effective date of March 28,

[23:22] 2024. This bylaw requires all shelters. To follow a series

[23:29] of requirements, and we're going to walk through some of

[23:31] them today. Here. It requires that all shelters schedule maintenance

[23:37] for litter waste accumulation and debris from shelter occupants within

[23:40] a 500 meters radius. For those may be unfamiliar with

[23:43] what that would mean. From 310. That would stretch all

[23:49] the way. Stretch from the lake all the way north

[23:52] to Spencer street west. To Spring street and east to

[23:55] Henry street, and each location at shelter is operating out

[23:59] of would be responsible for that cleanup in that same

[24:02] degree of area. They also require that a code of

[24:06] conduct be established for shelter occupants that aligns with the

[24:09] town's nuisance bylaw. All shelters would be required to submit

[24:14] operational plans and occupancy levels to the town. For their

[24:17] approval. 24/7 contact information for a local contact who is

[24:22] available to respond to matters involving the shelter within 1

[24:25] hour. Response by email or phone for any issue with

[24:28] the shelter. Shelter directors and officers would be personally liable

[24:34] for the adherence of the bylaw, including occupants behaviors off

[24:37] site. The fines would range from five hundred dollars to

[24:41] one hundred thousand dollars per day or partial day. And

[24:44] they would be required to provide 24/7 security on site

[24:47] and within that 500 meters. Radius. As staff. County staff

[24:52] have reviewed this bylaw. We've identified a number of potential

[24:55] risks. And impacts to our sheltering service. What we have

[25:00] highlighted here is that we recognize that this bylaw may

[25:03] impact cornerstone family violence. Prevention Center Transition house programming at

[25:08] ten Chapel street. Family diversion and motel overflow, as well

[25:12] as the ad hoc, county funded motel beds and of

[25:14] course, 310 division street when it became operational. This has.

[25:20] Created instability and concern for both shelter staff and clients.

[25:24] Recognizing that there is now an uncertain future of operations

[25:27] regarding their ability for shelter service is to continue operating

[25:30] after March 28. There could be a potential inability to

[25:34] keep or attract board members because of the personal liability.

[25:38] It is infeasible to consider monitoring behavior and actions of

[25:41] shelter clients once they leave the premises. It is cost

[25:46] prohibitive in its implementation, namely security, garbage and the monitoring

[25:50] of behavior. It also requires a proof of insurance that

[25:54] includes a $2 million liability limit per occurrence for property

[25:58] damage and bodily injury and identifies the town being added

[26:02] as additional insured. And these insurance requirements have been specifically

[26:05] held to be unrelated to purposes of health, safety and

[26:08] nuisance prevention. There is also a duplication of existing municipal

[26:13] services by law and police. There are also potential concerns

[26:17] about the legality of the bylaw and potential contravention. Of

[26:20] human rights. Implementation of the bylaw may discriminate against or

[26:24] impose barriers. Based on protected grounds, which includes receipt of

[26:30] public assistance, the sex and family status, and disability. Once

[26:35] the bylaw is enforced, shelters may not remain operational and

[26:39] there could be an increased presence. Of individuals living rough,

[26:42] including more encampments in Coburg, overcrowding and unsafe dwellings we

[26:47] may also have individuals who are unable to flee situations

[26:50] of family and relationship violence or human trafficking. And under

[26:54] the county's emergency plan annex hh, the county may be

[26:57] unable to operate. An emergency shelter facility within the town

[27:00] of Coberg. And just as a date to as a

[27:04] reminder is the solar eclipse that's being prepared for events

[27:08] taking place on April 8 and Lisa Answorth and Colleen

[27:11] McCabe will provide some more information about that after our

[27:13] closed session. And with that, that's the end of my

[27:16] presentation. I'm happy to take any questions or comments. Thank

[27:20] you. Associate director questions or comments for members of council?

[27:23] Councilor Cleveland. On February 14. It was to discuss that

[27:28] you had a high level theme conversation with the staff.

[27:31] At Coberg. Could you perhaps go into detail as to

[27:33] what less high level themes were. You chair or warden?

[27:43] Yes. It was. A number of staff from both the

[27:47] county and the town that were at the meeting. We

[27:51] were verbally walked through a number of items that the

[27:55] town Cao had highlighted based on what we understood to

[27:58] be there. Her discussions and direction from the town we

[28:03] talked about. What some of the steps were so far,

[28:07] some of the things that were unknown. And what we

[28:11] didn't know if we could comply with some of the

[28:13] things that we had significant concerns with a compliance with

[28:18] and we left it that we would share documents that

[28:22] we would share the community consultation report when it was

[28:25] made available. And. We would share an advanced look of

[28:31] the draft agreement between the county and transition house once

[28:35] that document was complete. And we left saying that we

[28:38] would set up another meeting to get into more detail

[28:41] once those questions could be answered. Thank you. You have

[28:45] a follow up? I have several of us. We'll go

[28:47] one at a time. So I guess the first question

[28:49] then is in regards to the concern mentioned that this

[28:53] bylaw would somehow affect Cornerstone Family Prevention center when it's

[28:57] clearly stated in section 20. Of the bylaw that. We

[29:02] can. The town of Coburg. Can issue exemptions. It's been

[29:08] very clear this is standard process. In any sort of

[29:12] licensing regime that's brought in in 2024. Standard practice that

[29:16] you always allow for exemptions under the rules, and so

[29:19] it's been very clear, as section 20 lays out. And

[29:21] as you can see from the email sent from the

[29:22] CAO Coberg today, that there really is almost an unnecessary

[29:26] concern regarding other shelter operations. Any of the shelters, like

[29:30] a transition house or any. Sorry, like a cornerstone that

[29:33] has years of successfully operating within the town of Coburg

[29:36] could easily simply apply for an exemption to the bylaw

[29:38] and move forward. So I guess I'm concerned as to

[29:41] why. This level of government is, in a sense, Fear

[29:47] mongering that this bylaw of Coburg is going to in

[29:50] any way shape. Or form affect shelters that have been

[29:52] in operation in Cobra for years. This goes to the

[29:55] point of the entire point that we'll be dealing with

[29:58] later after closed session regarding. The Ece definition and especially

[30:04] around. The evacuations. We have all of these individuals reaching

[30:09] out to Coberg, thinking that somehow this bylaw is going

[30:12] to affect emergency centers that it's not. This is a

[30:15] very clear and well structured bylaw. So I guess my

[30:18] question is. What is giving the concern? That cornerstone is

[30:23] going to be affected by a bylaw when there's an

[30:25] easy exemption. For a cornerstone. Go ahead, Sam. Through Jordan.

[30:35] I think that. All of the comments on the exemption.

[30:38] While there's a provision. There was no comment during the

[30:43] initial presentation, and there's nothing written into the reports or

[30:47] any information that was shared publicly that would signal that

[30:50] that was the intent, to exclude all other sheltering operations

[30:55] except for 310 Division Street. It was passed without those

[31:00] exemptions provided for. And certainly until the last couple of

[31:05] days, we just became aware of the concerns for emergency

[31:08] evacuation shelters. And given the effort and requirement to prepare

[31:16] a business plan or the other efforts for the application

[31:18] process. It's not currently available that we're aware of. It

[31:22] wasn't shared with the original. Information that went public. So

[31:28] we have to assume that the bylaw stands and is

[31:31] applicable to the entire sheltering system. I did receive an

[31:36] email early this morning from the CIO indicating that it

[31:39] would be the intention at a staff level to exempt

[31:43] the emergency evacuation shelters. But aside from the email, I

[31:46] don't have that. In writing. And it does say in

[31:50] the bylaw it's up to the director's. Discretion and that

[31:54] there could be conditions imposed, and we don't know what

[31:57] those conditions might be. Follow up. Yeah, I'm a little

[32:01] concerned about that because, I mean, it's very clear. There's

[32:03] a massive difference between. In a vacuum. We and a

[32:08] resident. And that's clear in the law and I guess.

[32:11] My question on that then is if there was no

[32:14] reaching out from Coberg, why is there no reaching out

[32:17] from this staff level to coberg of their concerns prior

[32:21] to putting all these reports into the public. I mean,

[32:24] county has had a report, first of all, the first

[32:27] report prior to any drafting of bylaw was sent to

[32:30] the county staff as of the date of February 14.

[32:34] That was the first issuance of information given to this

[32:37] level. On February 28, there was a follow up and

[32:41] a fulsome report provided. Again, each of these were asked

[32:43] for. The county feedback and asked for any concerns at

[32:46] that time, none were given. So I guess I find

[32:49] it interesting when the blame is being put on Coberg

[32:52] staff for not providing exemptions. Yet all these assumptions are

[32:56] being made by this level of government without actually doing

[32:59] the research or questioning of the lower tier about the

[33:02] intent. So I guess my concern is. Why is it

[33:04] on Coberg to tell you what is and isn't exempt?

[33:07] Why aren't the questions not being asked if the concern

[33:10] is there. I can't speak for staff, but I can

[33:13] only assume that if it was Coberg's, intent to exempt

[33:18] any shelters in Coberg that they would have baked it

[33:20] into the bylaw. That didn't happen, so. It leaves everyone

[33:26] questioning what's exempt. What's not exempt at this stage, I

[33:29] think. That again should be left that way because it's

[33:31] not to be a political discussion. Warden we shouldn't, as

[33:34] politicians, be deciding what is and isn't appropriate for professionals

[33:37] to decide that's the staff's job. And so at the

[33:40] end of the day, it's not for politicians to decide

[33:42] what exemptions should and shouldn't be there it's not our

[33:45] lane and. We're learning in Goldberg what our lane is

[33:47] there now? I guess the question again. I have to

[33:50] re ask. Is, the exemptions were applied so that the

[33:53] staff could use those exemptions when necessary. Again, why is

[33:58] this level of government issuing reports and statements that cause

[34:02] fear and commotion in our community? Without doing their due

[34:05] diligence of research and investigation. I don't think we should

[34:09] get into a finger pointing game of who's causing fear.

[34:12] Who's not causing fear? At the end of the day,

[34:14] I think both levels can be accused of the same,

[34:17] and I'm going to politely decline that. Sir, this level

[34:19] of the Cobrg. I've got all of the documentations of

[34:23] emails from the last month and a half of coverg,

[34:25] reaching out to this level of government, asking for feedback.

[34:29] Asking to come to the table, to work cooperatively together

[34:32] to mitigate this problem, to move forward because we are

[34:36] all aware that these are needed services in our community.

[34:39] We're all aware that this is needed. Ms. Carmen did

[34:42] an exceptional job today, outlining, first of all, the successes

[34:44] of staff to date as well as the clear and

[34:47] present need. So. I'm asking again, why is it that

[34:51] this level of government. Is not providing the appropriate, like,

[34:56] I've got the email saying that this exemption is there.

[34:58] So why are we looking at reports saying. That we

[35:02] should worry about the operations. Of cornerstone when clearly anyone

[35:06] can read that there's an opportunity for cornerstone to be

[35:09] exempt. From this bylaw and continue on with its services.

[35:11] So one assumes there's an opportunity. For 310 to be

[35:14] exempt from the bylaw as well. There could be that

[35:17] opportunity. Yes, if. So decided by staff. Again, that would

[35:20] be dependent upon the staff's discretion. The professionals at the

[35:23] table and not. A political person. And yet, here we

[35:28] are. Cao, comment? Through you, warden. I think that there

[35:34] has been a number of conversations. In. Yes. Staff at

[35:41] Cobra have reached out, and there's been a response to

[35:44] all of those inquiries. In every case, there was a

[35:47] thoughtful response based on the information that was available at

[35:51] the time. The timelines were shared with staff as well

[35:57] as publicly through county council. And what the plans were,

[36:01] how long it would take to provide reports and information.

[36:05] We were very deliberate in being respectful of the community

[36:08] feedback, and I was very clear with CoBrg staff that

[36:12] it would be inappropriate. To advance formal agreements with the

[36:18] municipality until. The completion of that community consultation that we

[36:23] felt we owed it to the public to listen to.

[36:26] All of their comments and complete what we had committed

[36:29] to doing before. We agreed to specifics with the town.

[36:35] That was communicated. And we were very much caught off

[36:39] guard when the town decided to move forward in advance.

[36:43] The bylaw, and we could only take it at its

[36:46] face value. We did not receive advanced notice. Of that.

[36:50] We found it online. We only had about an hour's

[36:53] notice before it was. Published, so we had to react

[36:56] very swift. Swiftly once that was taken. I think we

[37:00] also need to give consideration to the risks when we

[37:04] look at what the implementation time frame is, and at

[37:07] this point, we're told it could be effective on March

[37:11] or that it will be a decision on March 27

[37:14] to become effective March. 20 eigth, and that is a

[37:18] very. Quick turnaround time. We know that when we look

[37:21] at the emergency evacuation shelters, it's only a few short

[37:24] days later that we would see a very large event

[37:27] potentially happening in our community, and we need to be

[37:30] prepared for that. We don't know there's a lot of

[37:33] questions, and we need to take the approach of a

[37:36] worst case scenario and being. Prepared for not receiving an

[37:39] exemption and how he would still respond by providing essential

[37:43] services with a very limited or no turnaround time. Councilor

[37:48] crate. Thank you, Warren. Through you, I guess. My only

[37:54] question and concern. Especially in regard. To. Cornerstone would be.

[38:03] It does show in here that they could apply for

[38:06] an exemption. It doesn't say they'll get an exemption. I

[38:09] think that's where the problem arises. If this bylaw. Is

[38:15] intended. To. My way of thinking. Look after 310 division

[38:22] streak, then it should be a bylaw that points out

[38:25] that it's. Being done. To look after 310 Division street

[38:32] and not put the rest of our operations in jeopardy.

[38:36] Councilor Cleveland. Yeah. So that was part of the report

[38:39] issued on February 14 to the cobra. Council, one that

[38:42] was provided to county staff, one that I would recommend

[38:45] this council read the clear. Intention of a licensing bylaw

[38:49] is to provide public health and safety protection for the

[38:53] community. Nuisance control and the general well being. Of persons.

[38:57] The problem is, Mr. Crate, is you cannot create laws

[39:01] or bylaws specific to a property or an intentionality. There

[39:05] has been use in other municipalities of what's called an

[39:08] interim control bylaw Cobra council decided that that was not

[39:12] the appropriate way because, as was mentioned in this, we

[39:15] could be seen as intentionally making moves against a vulnerable

[39:19] population. In the report, it clearly states, and that's why

[39:22] I want to take issue with our CAO statement that

[39:25] it was such a surprise because as of February 14,

[39:27] this report has been publicly available, stating clearly that the

[39:30] staff's recommendation is to move towards a bylaw regime that

[39:34] they was on the February 14 that we had knowledge

[39:37] that that was what was most likely the case and

[39:39] the recommendation of covert staff. So if we've known since

[39:42] February 14 that that was the recommendation, you're right. The

[39:46] final report was issued 1 hour before. That's because that

[39:49] was when we were finally finished it from a legal

[39:51] perspective, because we've been consulting with a variety of professionals

[39:55] along the way to make sure that we were following

[39:58] our due diligence, making sure we were following the letter

[40:01] of the law. So that we wouldn't put ourselves in

[40:02] a position where this bylaw would be a potential to

[40:06] be challenged. Just one correction to the timeline. February 14

[40:11] was the staff meeting between the town and County. It

[40:19] was the 21st, the date of the agenda publication, when

[40:23] the reports in the draft bylaw were made public. We

[40:26] weren't aware of it prior to that. When it was

[40:29] published as part of the copper council agenda. Correct. My

[40:32] apologies for the 14th and 21st mistake award. Any other

[40:37] questions of clarification on the presentation? Councilor Cleveland, prior to

[40:43] the two individuals that we've recently added to on the

[40:46] ground, support. What other measures does the county provide for

[40:50] on the ground support for our most vulnerable in Coburg.

[40:55] Associate director. Through you, warden, we have. Had a street

[41:02] outreach position. In existence prior to those additional two that

[41:06] were created. We also would work with our county funded.

[41:12] Or county staff where folks maybe need assistance in the

[41:14] community, that we could help people as. They move forward.

[41:20] I think we have to also acknowledge that we are

[41:22] growing in the system and that we've been working to

[41:25] meet the needs, so we currently have three street outreach

[41:28] positions. Previously, we did have one, and we've now expanded

[41:31] it to three people, and we have been working through

[41:35] our homelessness leadership table and our homelessness coordinated response. Team

[41:40] with members from community agencies that do support. After hours

[41:45] and on the ground support, including the Colbert Police Service,

[41:49] the North Amberlyn Hills Hospital Community mental health team, the

[41:53] Canadian Mental Health association, and working to coordinate, among many

[41:57] others. Been working to coordinate responses for folks who need

[42:01] help in our community. Thank you. Follow up. So just

[42:06] to confirm, Koberg police Services is deemed as part of

[42:09] the counties on the street. Response position. I just want

[42:11] to confirm that that is part and parcel of what

[42:14] the county seizes. Our street outreach for our vulnerable individuals

[42:18] is, of course, our police. The Cobra police service is

[42:20] that correct, associate director? No. The three street outreach positions.

[42:25] That we have. Or the street. Outreach positions are funded

[42:29] and operating out of Northumberland Hills Hospital community mental health,

[42:32] but of course, we work with our partners who are

[42:35] funded to provide those things. Through the mhart team or

[42:40] the harp project. Through the town. The Cobra Police services.

[42:43] My apologies. I don't have those acronyms spelled. Out, but

[42:48] they are part of our team that connect and work,

[42:50] and we provide the wraparound. Supports for people who are

[42:52] there, but. They are not obviously a county program. Follow

[42:58] up. Thank you. So up until the last two, which

[43:01] are very supportive of. We had one street outreach worker

[43:06] for 2000, this county. That's correct. Associate director. Yes. As

[43:12] our homelessness response has grown, we've seen this throughout the

[43:16] province that we have to look at, grow and adapt

[43:19] to the needs. In the community and expand our services

[43:23] where we have the funding ability to do so and

[43:26] where we can work to meet the best needs. There

[43:29] have always been shelter workers at cornerstone or transition house

[43:34] or through salvation army or other partners. Who have been

[43:37] more on the ground that have been supporting folks in

[43:40] accessing those needs and we've been providing services to people,

[43:43] but yes. You are correct. And of course, we would

[43:46] like to see outreach expand. And that's why we've done

[43:49] so. Thank you. Any other questions of clarification for members

[43:55] of council?

[44:07] The clerk has a list of individual organizations, individuals and

[44:11] organizations who have expressed interest in making a delegation today.

[44:18] The county's procedural bylaw allows for delegations at standing committees

[44:22] only. And therefore, a procedural requirement will be that council

[44:26] will need to approve hearing any delegations. The motion before

[44:31] me reads. Whereas the council procedural bylaw 39 2023 allows

[44:36] for delegations at standing committees only, whereas council may choose

[44:40] to waive the rule of procedure established by this bylaw,

[44:44] and that requires a two thirds majority vote. Therefore, be

[44:50] it resolved that council approve hearing delegations from members of

[44:53] the public. And organizations regarding 310 Vision Street, Coberg and

[44:59] the town of Coberg's emergency care. Establishment licensing by law,

[45:02] at the March 6, 2024 special county council meeting. Is

[45:06] there a mover. Councilor logel. Is there a second councilor

[45:11] crate? Is there any discussion? Those in favor? Any opposed.

[45:18] Motions carried. So we do have.

[45:32] One delegation that. We're aware of. It is Ike Weebie,

[45:39] executive director of transition House. If you'd like to make

[45:43] your way forward to the microphone. I'll read a little

[45:45] blurb. Before we proceed with delegations, a reminder that delegations

[45:50] are limited to a maximum of two. Presenters. Well, there

[45:54] you are. And are permitted ten minutes plus five minutes

[45:57] for questions and answers from members of council. The clerk

[46:00] will act as the timekeeper, and I will verbally notify

[46:03] you when you have two. Minutes left. If you would

[46:06] prefer a visual cue, please note this at the start

[46:08] of your delegation. And staff will accommodate you. So, Ike,

[46:13] you have the floor, sir. Can you. Push the. Thank

[46:18] you. Good. All. Protocol duly observed. My name is Ike

[46:24] Weebay, serving as the executive director at transition house. I'm

[46:30] here before you today to address the potential ramifications of

[46:34] the emergency care. Establishment license by law. Proposed by the

[46:39] town of Kobok. This law not only impacts transition houses

[46:45] relocation plan to treat ten division street, but also affect

[46:49] our current operations at ten Chapel Street. And St. Peter's

[46:54] church. Implementation of this bylaw would render our organization's operations

[47:00] on feasible. Impacting service users, staff and the board adversely.

[47:08] Allow me to provide context regarding transition houses inception. In.

[47:16] The early stages of 1999, a coalition of community agencies

[47:20] recognized de escalating housing crisis in Notumberland County. Responding to

[47:27] this need, transition house emerged as a beacon of hope,

[47:31] offering a safe haven for individuals facing homelessness. Thanks to

[47:37] the generous contributions from the Sisters of St. Joseph. A

[47:42] ministry of. Community and social services grant and unwavering community

[47:48] support. Transition house officially opened its doors in December 1999.

[47:54] Since then, we've grown significantly, expanding our services to accommodate

[48:00] diverse segments of our community. Currently. Transition house operates various

[48:05] programs, including a 22. Bed. Emergency shelter. A warming hub,

[48:11] a motor overflow program. And our family diversion initiative. In

[48:17] 2023 alone, we served over 580 individuals across. These programs.

[48:26] Facilitated 17 successful housing placements and supported 23 families. Our

[48:33] commitment extends beyond providing shelter. We strive to empower individuals

[48:38] to regain autonomy and reintegrate into society. Our successes are

[48:45] evident in the stories of our service users. One of

[48:49] the persons we serve. Was wrongfully convicted and spent to

[48:56] 1661 days in prison for a crime. Media document he

[49:01] was acquainted in 2015, he dealt with mental health challenges

[49:05] related to his wrongful conviction until it became too overwhelming.

[49:11] He was living in a trailer in an isolated location

[49:14] for quite some time. He left when he realized that

[49:18] he needed imminent mental health support. He also has ongoing

[49:23] legal challenges related to his wrongful conviction, which has been

[49:27] going on for twelve years. His pension is its only

[49:32] source of income, and it is not enough to meet

[49:34] the current cost. Of living. Another service user was residing

[49:39] in a rental property but had to leave because the

[49:42] landlord required the space for personal use. Consequently. He has

[49:47] been unable to secure new accommodation, but has been added

[49:52] to the affordable housing waiting list. Through the support of

[49:56] our case management team. This Monday. Another service user informed

[50:03] me that through the support of our case management team

[50:06] and Watson employment services, It has been accepted into the

[50:10] training. Into training as a truck driver this week to

[50:15] pursue a brighter future. To demonstrate what success means for

[50:19] us, let me share some of our February. Highlights. A

[50:26] service user was housed two started working. Two enrolled in

[50:32] school. Two connected to Wharton employment services and one started

[50:37] treatment program. While this might mean nothing to persons who

[50:40] were not in the field, it speaks volume of our

[50:44] approach of meeting every individual where they are. Transition house

[50:49] is not just a shelter. It's a community bedrock. We've

[50:54] actively engaged with our neighbors, soliciting feedback. And collaborating to

[51:01] address concerns. The overwhelming support we've received reaffirms our integral

[51:07] role within the community. However, the proposed emergency care establishment,

[51:13] licensed by law, jeopardizes our mission and the individuals we

[51:18] serve. If enforced, it not only. Owes our relocation plans,

[51:25] but also undermines our existing operations. Our move to 310

[51:30] Division street aims to enhance service quality. Promote dignity among

[51:36] services. And foster collaboration with community agencies. These endeavor aligns

[51:43] with our vision of establishing Cobog and Notumberland and the

[51:47] entire Notumberland county as exemplars of housing first principles. We

[51:54] intend to run a 24 hours hub. Which serves as

[51:58] a skills development and program in space in the day

[52:01] and a respite in the night. A resource center equipped

[52:05] with resources for personal, educational, and professional development. Where individuals

[52:11] can do employment search. Apartment search, attend online training. And

[52:17] school and also explore other resources to enable them. To

[52:23] get back to their feet. We plan to run a

[52:26] 35 unit emergency shelter, which is our current emergency shelter,

[52:31] and a motel. Overflow programs combined. We plan to open

[52:36] transitional housing units, which. Will serve clients who are housing

[52:42] ready but still working to find appropriate, affordable and personal

[52:47] and permanent housing. We plan to make it a platform

[52:51] where various service providers can connect with our service users

[52:55] for mental health and addiction support, employability, skills development, and

[53:01] many more. Should transition houses operations. The consequences will be

[53:07] there. Homelessness. Rates would surge. Training community resources and endangering

[53:16] the wellbeing of vulnerable individuals. Moreover, the economic burden would

[53:21] escalate, contradicting claims of cost reduction. Without the shelter. Most

[53:30] of the individuals. Who are using our services have nowhere

[53:35] else to go. And this will lead to an increase

[53:40] in homelessness in the community. This can exacerbate issues such

[53:44] as street homelessness, panhandling and rough sleeping. More homeless individuals

[53:51] may resort to living in unsafe and unsanitary conditions, such

[53:56] as abandoned buildings or makeshift shelters in public spaces. Increasing

[54:02] their risk of exposure to crime, violence, and health hazard.

[54:07] It may place additional strain on other community resources such

[54:10] as emergency services, hospitals, and law enforcement, as. They may

[54:17] have to deal with the consequences of increased homelessness and

[54:20] associated issues. Homelessness can take a toll on individuals mental

[54:25] health and overall well being. You have two minutes sir.

[54:29] I'm almost done. Thank you. Transition house closing may exacerbate

[54:35] these issues by depriving individuals of a safe and stable

[54:38] environment where they can access support. Services and resources. I

[54:46] view my job as a calling to save the entire

[54:48] Northumberland county. So do members of my team. Our dedicated

[54:54] team fears the prospects of closure. They've devoted years to

[54:58] support our community's. Most vulnerable and deserve reassurance about their

[55:03] employability. Employment security. In conclusion, the proposed regulation of homeless

[55:09] shelters demands careful consideration of its wide ranging implications. Transition

[55:15] House remains steadfast in its commitment to serving our community,

[55:18] and we implore all stakeholders to support our mission and

[55:22] safeguard the welfare of those in need. Thank you very

[55:25] much. I'll be glad to take questions at this point.

[55:28] Thank you, Mr. Weavey. We appreciate your delegation. Are there

[55:31] any questions of clarification from members of council? Councilor Cleveland?

[55:35] Thank you very much, warden, through you. Thank you for

[55:37] the presentation. I know I speak for every member. Around

[55:39] this table that in Northumberland county, we are excited to

[55:41] have you and your professional skill set. To add to

[55:45] our collective group. Your initial statement of the presentation. You

[55:49] said that the bylaw enacted by Cobert Council would prevent

[55:53] transition House from operating that. Was the statement that was

[55:56] made fair. You've then gone to go on to allocate.

[55:58] All of the plans which are wonderful, the ideas which

[56:01] are great, and of course, the ramification. Should transition house

[56:04] not be able to operate. Yet. Nowhere in the presentation

[56:07] have I been told how that bylaw. Would prevent your

[56:10] organization from operating. So could you perhaps explain why the

[56:14] bylaw is going to. Prevent transition outs from operating, right?

[56:18] So I would like to quickly share just one, which

[56:22] is, for instance, The activities of some of our clients

[56:27] in the community. Given the way the bylaw is written.

[56:35] Principal officers, the board members and all will be held

[56:38] accountable. In their person. For some of these behaviors or

[56:45] some of these activities by members of. The community that

[56:49] we serve. So that is one of those conditions. So

[56:54] I would have loved to go through some of. The

[56:57] other conditions, but. That simply just sums it so an

[57:02] organization. Without the able board where the board members are

[57:07] concerned in their own what their volunteers were given. Their

[57:10] time. And service to an organization that supports the vulnerable

[57:16] members of the community. That fear is already a push

[57:21] factor for them, and then automatically that renders us incapacitated.

[57:27] Or there is a potential of that happening. Thank you

[57:30] both. Any other questions for members of council? Councilor Cleveland?

[57:35] I guess I'm confused, because that responsibility of a board

[57:38] is the exact same responsibility that every member of this

[57:41] council. Is accepted that every board member and every other

[57:43] board that when you're on a police service board. That's

[57:46] an accepted responsibility, so I guess I'm just a little

[57:49] concerned. How? This would prevent it, so by all means.

[57:54] Cio, do you have a comment? I can add to

[57:57] that. I think there is a distinction in that. Our

[58:04] analysis is that in this case, the bylaw does expect

[58:08] the board to be responsible for the actions of those

[58:12] beyond who they have direct control. If we look at.

[58:17] Me sitting in my position. I have responsibilities for county

[58:20] staff. I don't have responsibilities for. All 90,000 residents of

[58:24] the county and their behaviors when they are not, or,

[58:28] and I don't have responsibilities for employees when they're not

[58:30] at work. I have responsibilities for them when they're here,

[58:33] when they're performing their duties, and that is tied to

[58:35] my position. And I think if we look at boards

[58:40] on nonprofits, we look at anybody sitting in that position.

[58:44] They are only held accountable for where they have direct

[58:46] control and influence and. Not for other people and other

[58:52] individuals where they do not have that direct responsibility. And

[58:55] I think that can be elaborated with any of the

[58:58] potential impacts or organizations impacted by this bylaw. Councilor Cleveland.

[59:03] Leslie, the concern about. The actions of the residents of

[59:08] 310 division outside the community and the interpretation of the

[59:11] bylaw. Was I provided by appropriate legal counsel? Or is

[59:14] that simply the interpretation of staff and those of the

[59:17] shelter community. Mr. Webie. Are you able to answer that

[59:25] question? I can say a few I can't really speak

[59:29] to. The as far as legal. Interpretation of certain things

[59:35] are concerned. However, we are making our own consultations as

[59:39] well to really understand. The full implication of this, but.

[59:49] The feedback we have received so far is that, yes,

[59:52] there are legal implications of what is being proposed. But

[59:57] in terms of. In its entirety, like how it affects.

[1:00:02] And all that, the length and breadth of it that

[1:00:04] I cannot speak to at this point. Thank. You, sir,

[1:00:07] councilor Martin. I think what's happening here is that there

[1:00:10] is a debate over the wording of the bylaw, and

[1:00:13] that is not the issue. To my mind, the issue

[1:00:18] is, how do we find a way forward? Instead of

[1:00:21] ramming at each other. Can we please sort of. What

[1:00:25] is it? What is it you want? I think we'll

[1:00:29] get there and we'll get there good. I think we'll.

[1:00:31] Get there. We just need to be able to answer

[1:00:35] our questions of the delegate. Fair enough. Fair is fair,

[1:00:39] I think, but we'll get. There. Councilor Cleveland. Yeah. Just

[1:00:44] in response to my fellow counselors line of questioning. I

[1:00:48] think the reason. We're asking the questions about the interpretation

[1:00:52] is because the public is being presented with the interpretations

[1:00:55] of individuals as if. It's facts. It's being presented by

[1:00:59] individuals as if it is 100% the truth. We have

[1:01:03] reports going out in the community, creating fear in the

[1:01:07] community that this bylaw is somehow, some way, shape, form.

[1:01:11] Risking vulnerable individuals in our community. We've received emails regarding

[1:01:17] concerned residents wondering if their loved ones in Golden Plough

[1:01:20] Lodge are somehow being affected by a bylaw being passed

[1:01:24] in Coberg because of the comments and the reports that

[1:01:28] are being issued at this level. Councilor so the reason

[1:01:30] that wording matters. And the reason we're going back and

[1:01:33] forth on that wording is because the interpretation of that

[1:01:35] wording is leading to fear in the community, fear that

[1:01:38] needs to be dragged out. And spoken about in open

[1:01:41] session. So that's the reason these questions. Rest my case.

[1:01:45] That ends our five minute, goes two ways, ends our

[1:01:48] five minute, Q and A. Session. Thank you, Mr. Weavey.

[1:01:50] We appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Are there

[1:01:56] any other members of the public and or representatives or

[1:01:59] organizations who would like to make a delegation this afternoon.

[1:02:09] Seeing none. The motion before me reads it that county

[1:02:15] council received the delegation from the following members of the

[1:02:18] public and organizations regarding 310 Division street in the town

[1:02:21] of Coburg's emergency care establishment. Licensing bylaw for information. We

[1:02:31] be executive director, transition house. Is there a mover? Councilor

[1:02:36] crate, second by councilor jib. Is there any further discussion?

[1:02:42] All in favor? Being none opposed, that motion is carried.

[1:02:53] In a motion that county council received the staff presentation

[1:02:55] regarding town of CoBrg's emergency care establishment, licensing bylaw and

[1:02:59] potential impacts to the homelessness system. For information is there

[1:03:03] a mover. Councilor Martin second. Councilor Cleveland. Sorry I'm not

[1:03:11] secondary. After it's second, I'd have something to speak. To

[1:03:13] on the floor. Local. Councilor Cleveland. I'd like to have

[1:03:21] certain aspects of that presentation removed, because I don't believe.

[1:03:24] Them to be factually or correct and misleading in nature.

[1:03:28] Are you proposing a motion to amend? No, I'm proposing

[1:03:32] that we don't accept. The bylaw unless we're going to

[1:03:35] go line by line to strike out what parts. Are,

[1:03:39] in my opinion, fear mongering. I'm moving that we should

[1:03:42] not be accepting this for information, because that information is

[1:03:44] not agreed upon. Thank. You anything further on the motion?

[1:03:50] All in favor? Are there any opposed? Motions carried.

[1:04:02] Now is an opportunity for the immediate asked questions. I

[1:04:04] see no media in the gallery. I do know that

[1:04:07] there is. One member of the media online. So, Cecilia,

[1:04:15] I'll call you out by name. Do you have any

[1:04:19] questions? I do. Not at this time. Thank you.

[1:04:30] That brings us to our closed session. After. Council deliberates

[1:04:40] the closed session, motion members of the media and the

[1:04:42] public that are on zoom. Will be moved into the

[1:04:45] virtual waiting room while the closed session takes place. Staff,

[1:04:48] media and the public attending in person will be asked

[1:04:51] to leave the council chambers during the closed session. The

[1:04:54] motion before me reads that this council proceed with the

[1:04:56] next portion of the meeting being closed to the public.

[1:04:59] At. 338. P. M. And further, that the meeting is

[1:05:05] closed to the public as permitted under the Municipal act.

[1:05:07] Section 239, two f and two k, in order to

[1:05:11] address matters pertaining to advice that is subject to solicitor

[1:05:13] client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose and confidential

[1:05:18] negotiations. Direction on negotiations with the town of Coburg's emergency

[1:05:25] care establishment, licensing bylaw and that Jennifer Moore, Lisa Horn,

[1:05:29] Kate Campbell, Darryl Mask, Rebecca Carmen, Bill Smith, Madison Mather

[1:05:33] and Cheryl Sanders remain present. Is there a mover? Councilor

[1:05:38] jib. Seconded by councilor Martin. Councilor Cleveland, I would also

[1:05:43] like to voice my opposition to this motion. I believe

[1:05:46] that the reason we're in this current situation is because

[1:05:48] of. The closed nature of communication at this level of

[1:05:54] government. I think we are continuing that process by moving

[1:05:58] into closed and I think that an issue this necessary

[1:06:01] and. This important to both the county and the city

[1:06:05] of Coberg should be dealt with in a more transparent

[1:06:07] and accountable way. Thank you. Any other comments or questions

[1:06:11] on the motion? All those in favor? Are there any

[1:06:15] opposed? Motions carried. And we'll take.

[1:06:25] A five minute recess while staff transitions into the closed

[1:06:28] session.

[1:06:46] Thank you. It's six oh seven. I'll call this meeting

[1:06:48] back to order and. With a motion that this council

[1:06:52] rise from closed session at further that the confidential resolution

[1:06:57] moved in. Closed session regarding matters pertaining to the advice

[1:07:00] that is subject to solicitor client privilege, including communic. Communications

[1:07:06] necessary for that purpose and confidential negotiations is hereby referred

[1:07:10] to this open session of council. For adoption as their

[1:07:13] mover. Councilor crate seconded by councilor Martin. Any discussion? All

[1:07:19] in favor? Any opposed? Motions carried. That brings us to

[1:07:25] report. 20 24 00:42 emergency management, evacuation, shelter services. Director

[1:07:35] Ainsworth and Emergency Health safety Emergency risk manager McCabe.

[1:07:47] Thank you, Warden. And through you, and recognizing that you've

[1:07:50] had a long afternoon, I won't. Be very long. We

[1:07:52] know that you've had a lot of discussion. With respect.

[1:07:54] To the bylaw and just with respect to emergency management

[1:07:58] services, we recognize the bylaw does provide an authority for

[1:08:02] exemption under section 20. However, we are concerned. That the

[1:08:08] bylaw in general in its application does not differentiate an

[1:08:12] exempt reception centers and evacuation shelters. County staff Cobra staff

[1:08:17] did reach out to cao more today. Specific to this.

[1:08:22] However, we are. Seeking clarity and for certainty moving forward.

[1:08:28] We're recommending that and to ensure that clarity county council

[1:08:31] direct staff to request the town of Coperg amend the

[1:08:33] recent bylaw. I won't name it again. I'm sure you

[1:08:37] know what it is to exempt. Emergency reception centers and

[1:08:41] evacuation shelters. That's just the basis. That's just to the

[1:08:45] point that we're just. Looking for that exemption. So I'll

[1:08:48] read the motion, then we can have some discussion. Motion?

[1:08:51] Reads, whereas Northumberland county's emergency management team is actively preparing

[1:08:54] for the April 8, 2024 solar eclipse event by coordinating

[1:08:58] with local agencies. Law enforcement emergency responders to ensure readiness

[1:09:08] for any potential impacts. And whereas at the February 28

[1:09:11] 2024 town of Cobra council meeting it was noted that

[1:09:14] the town of Coberg's emergency care establishment licensing. By law,

[1:09:19] you couldn't have come up with something better. Shall come

[1:09:22] into force and take effect as of March 28, 2024,

[1:09:26] unless an agreement deems satisfactory to the town is implemented

[1:09:29] with the county and transition house by the date pertaining

[1:09:32] to 310. Division street. And whereas, notwithstanding the outcome of

[1:09:35] negotiations between the county and the town of Coburg, regarding

[1:09:39] an. Emergency shelter agreement. Maintaining current emergency management evacuation shelters

[1:09:46] is of critical importance now. Therefore, be it resolved. That

[1:09:49] county council having considered report 20 24 42, emergency management,

[1:09:53] evacuation, shelter services direct staff to request that the town

[1:09:57] of Coberg amend the bylaw to license, regulate and govern

[1:10:01] emergency care. Establishments in the Town of Coberg to exempt

[1:10:04] emergency reception centers and evacuation shelters. Is there a mover.

[1:10:09] Councilor crate seconded by ["Councillor"] Logel, is there any discussion?

[1:10:14] Councilor Cleveland. Thank you very much. Again, I want to

[1:10:18] point out that this is an unneeded. Request. I want

[1:10:21] to point out very clearly what an ECe definition is

[1:10:25] an emergency. Care establishment means an institutional use that provides

[1:10:30] a means of immediate temporary accommodation and assistance for a

[1:10:34] short term period. Generally less than one week for the

[1:10:36] majority of quote unquote, residents. The ECE definition automatically prevents.

[1:10:44] Reception centers to fall victim to this bylaw. Because we

[1:10:47] are not dealing with residents. We are dealing with evacuees.

[1:10:51] There is a clear definition and term difference that is

[1:10:53] needed. It is my belief that this request of Coberg

[1:10:57] is to further instill a concern and fear amongst the

[1:11:02] residents of Northumberland. But a bylaw that has nothing to

[1:11:06] do with emergency evacuations. We have very clear emergency classifications.

[1:11:12] I provided all of. The council here with the clear

[1:11:16] definitions of the support as well as the different levels

[1:11:19] of crisis. Available the emergency classifications. And again, it is

[1:11:24] very clear to. Anyone in terms of reading this bylaw,

[1:11:28] that the two do not affect one another and if

[1:11:33] again, there is a situation where it is deemed that

[1:11:36] this does affect them. Again, noting that it doesn't. There

[1:11:40] is the emergency care establishment. By law section 20 exemption,

[1:11:44] it would automatically be used. Furthermore, it's very clear, as

[1:11:50] all the attached documents have been included. On our agenda

[1:11:53] that we have years of history between covirg and the

[1:11:56] county regarding emergency evacuations procedures. Therefore, it is a clear

[1:12:02] opportunity for an exemption if it were even needed. But

[1:12:06] again, The very specific interpretation by the county of this

[1:12:11] is, again, I believe, an intention to divide. Our communities

[1:12:16] and to pit other lower tier municipalities against the CoBrg

[1:12:21] council. I do not see a need for this, and

[1:12:24] I do not see. The reason for this, outside of

[1:12:27] that. It's very clear in the law. It's very clear.

[1:12:31] And again, we're being asked to do this. On which

[1:12:35] interpretation? We have at Coberg gone to the legal professionals.

[1:12:41] We have consulted with emergency management. That is all part

[1:12:44] and parcel of the bylaw that was drafted? Had anyone

[1:12:47] at this level of government reached out to Coberg prior

[1:12:50] to issuing this report? Or request, they would have realized

[1:12:53] that. Thank you. Thank you. Further discussion. Councilor jib. Could

[1:12:59] our staff. Send written correspondence. To get confirmation. Written confirmation

[1:13:10] of what has just been described to us. I'd suggest

[1:13:14] that's what this motion requests. They're specifically requesting. An exemption

[1:13:23] from the bylaw, which is what we're directing staff to

[1:13:26] do. Then that's not my intent, and I disagree with

[1:13:30] the previous thought. This motion is to ask for an

[1:13:34] exemption. Based on the information. It doesn't need an exemption

[1:13:41] because of the nature and the definition of the bylaw.

[1:13:45] My proposal would be. To confirm in written form that

[1:13:50] an exemption is not needed would be where my thoughts

[1:13:54] are. Again. Taking into consideration the potential sensitivity of the

[1:14:00] communication. Deputy warden. I agree with you, Councilor jib. And

[1:14:07] given that. Councilor Cleveland is referring to correspondence. Can we

[1:14:13] just ask that? To be resubmitted to us for clarification.

[1:14:20] And information. I just feel like. There's all the reasons

[1:14:23] that we talked about before. Sensitivities. And I think it's

[1:14:29] clear to me that there's no need for this at

[1:14:31] this point. If that. Is going to be if the

[1:14:39] direction by staff that we received early this morning is

[1:14:42] going to be respected in our time of urgency. And

[1:14:45] we can rely on that, then that is fine. I

[1:14:48] do take exception to the characterization of the spirit in

[1:14:51] which this was brought forward. Staff brought this forward with

[1:14:54] the best interest of our community in mind. We felt

[1:14:58] that we needed to take every avenue possible to ensure

[1:15:00] that we can deliver the services in a time of

[1:15:03] emergency. Since the town did choose to. Clarify that. That's

[1:15:10] great. And if we do have an exemption, we can

[1:15:12] move forward with that, but it was not. In any

[1:15:16] spirit of, as was characterized by Councilor Cleveland, it was

[1:15:20] intended simply to make sure we have resources available to

[1:15:23] our community when they're needed. Thank you. Councilor Crate, do

[1:15:27] you have any interest in withdrawing this motion? Yes, thank

[1:15:32] you. Could I have a motion that we refer the

[1:15:37] matter to staff? We'll refer it back to staff, and

[1:15:42] then if it requires further examination, you can bring. It

[1:15:46] forward at the March meet. Regular council meeting. Thank you.

[1:15:55] And a second. Seconded by Councilor Cleveland.

[1:16:09] I need to read the motion. Madison can only type

[1:16:15] so fast. Sorry.

[1:16:42] No, it's okay.

[1:17:04] The motion before me reads that county council having considered

[1:17:06] report 20 24 00:42 emergency management evacuation shelter services refers

[1:17:11] this matter back to staff and report back to county

[1:17:14] council March 20, 2024 if required. That's moved by deputy

[1:17:18] warden Hanksky, seconded by councilor Cleveland. Are you both okay

[1:17:22] with the wording of that. Any further discussion? Those in

[1:17:26] favor? Any opposed. Motions carried. Can't even sign it. That

[1:17:35] brings us to media questions. We have no media in

[1:17:37] the gallery. And we have no media online. Thank you

[1:17:43] very much. Confirmatory bylaw. That bylaw. 12 20 20. I'll

[1:17:48] start again. That bylaw. 12 20 24 being a bylaw

[1:17:51] to confirm the proceedings of a special meeting of county

[1:17:53] council held on March 6, 2024. Be introduced, be deemed

[1:17:58] to be read a first, second and third time, be

[1:18:00] passed, signed and sealed. Is there a mover? Councilor Martin,

[1:18:03] seconded by councilor Logel. Is there any discussion? All in

[1:18:06] favor? Any opposed. Motions carried. Thank you. I have a

[1:18:15] motion that council adjourn at 06:20 p.m.. Is. There any

[1:18:19] discussion? Oh, I'll need a mover. Is there a mover,

[1:18:21] please? Move by councilor crate, seconded by Deputy Warden Henkifsky.

[1:18:26] Any discussion? All in. Favor.

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