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On call September 10th, 2026
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O'Fallon City Council workshop
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to order roll call Katie. Mayor
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Hennessy, present.
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Council member. Wexler present.
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Council member Wilcox, present.
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Council member. Boyer present.
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Council member. Yates.
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Present.
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Council Member Koskela present.
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Council Member Link present.
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Council member. Taylor.
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Present. Council member.
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Spencer. Present. Council
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Member Cook present. Council
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member.
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Palmer.
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Present. I have folks you have
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agenda in front of you. What's
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the pleasure?
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So move. Wexler. Koskela.
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Motion by Councilman Wexler.
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Stand by. Koskela. Questions or
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comments? All in favor? Aye.
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Opposed? Motion passes.
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Anything on the council agenda?
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You folks want to talk about?
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I have a question.
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Yes, ma'am.
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On resolution 910, 2026, a,
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what's the purpose of that? Why
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do we need that? I think we're.
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Is that what it is? Yeah. We're adding this, and we're
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sharing the cost for what I
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understand is a slightly angled
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picture from the sky.
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Go ahead. Michael. I think
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Mister Woods would probably.
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Be best able to answer that. My
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commentary information is
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probably a little dated. That's
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one part of it. It's actually
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aerial photography that we use
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on all our maps. So it's a new
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flyover every year, and we
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share that cost with all the
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Saint Charles County
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communities. Uh, it's a
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consortium that we all kind of
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chip in on that. And it's with
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the pictorial triangle in
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particular that was originally.
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It's not really more for
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planning and zoning stuff, but
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I know that was part more for,
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uh, the, the assessor's county
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office and also for police to
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recognize where doors and, and
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different access points are on
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buildings. That's why it was done.
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Oh, okay.
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Mr. Palmer?
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Yeah. On, uh, 20, 26 f um, I
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noticed that there was two
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every every bidder put in two
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bids, and I got to pull it up
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because I'm blind. Sorry. Hold
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on. I'm coming slow today.
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Nope. It wasn't that one. There
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was one of these that had two.
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There were two options. One
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were the where the city took
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control of the equipment was a
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meter on a sewer. Um, there was
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a difference in the equipment
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pricing between the two options
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by the same supplier. And I
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wasn't sure. That doesn't make
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sense to me.
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Mr. Bender? Yeah. So one option
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was where they owned the
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equipment, and the other option
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was where the city owns the
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equipment.
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So on the equipment cost, why
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would there be any cost if they
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owned it?
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On say they say that again.
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Please let me pull it up real
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quick.
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Resolution d.
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Yes, d. On the bid recap, uh,
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the last two items on there,
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both by track. Alternative one
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were the city ownership
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transition and the other one,
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it's metering as a service.
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There's equipment cost ones
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34,000. The other is almost 11.
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Why is there any equipment cost
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if it's as a service?
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Well, I think they're still
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recouping their costs for their
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investment on the equipment.
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And that's just how they bid
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it. They decided to show how it
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was bid.
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I guess I would have expected a
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higher recurring cost in a no
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equipment cost, because in the
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how didn't that how as a
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service that works, we don't
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pay for the equipment, pay for
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the service. They amortize the
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cost of the equipment into the
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annual fees that we pay.
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Yeah. I think it's just strange
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how they broke it down that
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way. But that's how they bid it
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and that's what we have to to
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make a decision from.
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Okay. And then on the total
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cost, uh, does that include our
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cost of maintenance, etc. on
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the when we own it, like when
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we see the total cost after
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five years, does that take into
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account the cost that we take
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on? I'm asking for the
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comparison purposes. I don't
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know if this is just the check
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we write to the to the supplier
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or vendor. Either the 162 or
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the 183, or if in there we
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threw in our additional cost by
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us taking it on as equipment,
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that they transition it to us.
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Because there would be. My
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point is there would be some,
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I'm assuming, some level of
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maintenance and whatnot that we
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would now start to incur that
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we didn't incur before, and it
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feels like that should be
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included in there. When we're
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comparing service versus
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ownership.
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Uh, so if I understand you
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correctly, you're saying that
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if in the scenario where we buy
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the equipment ourselves. Yeah,
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we're taking on some risk that
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there's some maintenance to
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that. Is that.
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Yeah, I guess let me, let me
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try and restart from the
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beginning. The two options are
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one where they transition the
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ownership to the city, and the
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other one is where they retain
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the equipment and they operate
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it, and we just pay them for
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the service. In the scenario in
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which we transition the
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ownership to us, there would be
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some costs that the city now
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incurs that we would not incur
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if they did it fully as a
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service. Right.
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And are you saying that's the
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maintenance of maintenance
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cost?
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It might be maintenance. I
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don't know what all it would
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be, but at least maintenance,
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right. Um, or whatever else
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someone does on a week by week,
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month by month basis on it. I
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don't know what they actually
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do, but the question is, is did
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that additional cost by us
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taking the ownership of it get
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rolled in so that we have a
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total cost comparison between
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the two scenarios?
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Mr. Palmer, um, I want to jump
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in. That does not come into
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this scenario here where this
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is based purely on the cost of
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the materials and the
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installation and the contract.
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However, in looking at it from
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a city standpoint, you would
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compare there. Yes, there's a
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cost for us to take it on. If
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we were to take it on, if we
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weren't, we would also have to
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go out to bid in five years and
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redo this contract again. And
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there would be another cost
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associated with it. So, you
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know, that's that's part of the
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mindset there. It's do we know
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exactly what it's going to
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cost. No. At this point. But we
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would compare that to the fact
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that we would have to rebid
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because it would be gone in
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five years.
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Mr.. Snowden, I think we have
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a. good line on the question.
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If you don't mind, can we take
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between now and the regular
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meeting to research this and
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get you your best answer?
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Yes.
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Thank you, Mr. Link.
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Thank you. Mayor. I want to
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circle back to 2026, a
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resolution regarding the, um,
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aerial spectrometry. So, uh,
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you know, there's Google,
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there's Apple, there's a lot of
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mapping services out there that
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offer the orthographic views
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for free. Uh, what I wanted to
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understand is, what are we
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using? The oblique angles for
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again? And to what extent are
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we getting $13,856.50 of value
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out of it every year?
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Are we, um, I mean, I know I
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use it a couple times a week.
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Me personally, um, I know my
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staff use it, uses it because
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we can actually zoom in closer
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on property and see a lot more.
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It's got better, uh, angles and
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it's got, uh, better clarity,
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you know, um, as far as if it's
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worth it, I guess, I guess I
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cannot say for certain. I know
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that's the going price. Uh,
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we're we're doing our share.
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You know, our the 13,000 is
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based upon our population, you
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know, so the county has this
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contract with the company, and
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it's this prorated over the
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entire county. Um.
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They've also used it on all the
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building the owes to.
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Yeah, it's a layer. We use it
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on, you know, our zoning map.
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It's a layer in there. We don't
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use the pick part of that in
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there. It's more just a
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straight down photo. Aerial
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photos. Um. Is that.
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Just for what it's worth,
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engineering uses it to we, you
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know, somebody calls up and
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says, I used to have a no
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parking sign. I got knocked
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down. Where's it at? And
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sometimes we can't get that
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from Google. And with this we
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can go down to the different
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years. I know Google has the
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history as well, but it
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provides us with another tool.
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Sometimes when Google imagery
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isn't good for that year it was
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cloudy or whatever allows us to
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go in and check different
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things. Traffic related, sign
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related, things like that as
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well.
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Got it. And I guess kind of
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just doing rough math. If, uh,
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annual visit was like a 138
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bucks in, let's say, uh, time
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and effort to go out to a site,
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would you use that more than
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maybe 100 times a year?
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Yeah, I'm sure my staff uses it
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numerous times every week as
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well. So, yeah, we'll get a
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call from a resident and we'll
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be able to say, hold on one
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second. Let us pull up this
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imagery. And lots of times we
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can talk to them about
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backyards or things like that.
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So okay, I appreciate it. Thank
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you. I know it's a small number
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compared to the other one, but.
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I guess another thought is, you
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know, with Google, I use that
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too. But we wouldn't be able to
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lay that into our other our
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zoning maps. It's a layer that
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we can put into our own, like
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our utility maps, uh, where we
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wouldn't have that ability. We
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would just use Google, you know
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what I mean?
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Got it. All right. Thank you
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for the clarification. I
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appreciate it.
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Corey.
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So I also circling back now to
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2026, a mr. woods had mentioned
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also law enforcement can use
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this. I would like to maybe
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hear a little bit more of how
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that would be helpful. Do you
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see that being something that
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you would utilize on a regular
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basis? Because I got to be
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honest, my purse strings are
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real loose when it comes to our
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law enforcement. The safety of
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our officers. So.
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we use it on a couple of
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different things. Obviously,
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the neighborhood complaints,
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uh, on the more minor level, on
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the larger level, the Swat
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teams are tactical. Teams can
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use them for lines of approach,
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uh, surrounding areas if
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there's a search warrant, if
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they have to evacuate nearby
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areas, things of that nature.
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Good enough for me. Thank you.
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Okay. Anybody else? Amanda.
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I just had a question. Um,
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Bill, 7890. The, uh, the sports
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complex. We're doing the first,
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second and final passage
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tonight. And I just wondered
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the reasons that there were and
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all that tonight.
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That's a record. So it's read
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through the final passage.
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It's just the record plat
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that's read through final
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passage. So that's an ordinance
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on record plats. It's just read
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through final passage. There's
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no emergency, but we do it on
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all record plats. We do two
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readings. Okay. Anybody else?
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All right. Seeing none. I do
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have a motion to approve the
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council workshop meeting
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minutes of August 27th, 2026.
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Motion link.
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Yates motion Councilman Link
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second by Councilman Yates.
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Questions or comments? All in
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favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion
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passes. First thing on. Uh,
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next one is the introduction
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and demonstration of the new
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volunteer services platform.
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Let's get connected.
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Good evening. Mayor. Members of
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city council. Thank you for
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having us tonight. So I have
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the easy job tonight, and that
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I am just going to turn it over
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to Hunter Davis. He's been our
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volunteer services manager
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since April. I don't remember
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the exact date we just talked
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about it 2026. And he is here
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to introduce you to the
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platform. So I'll turn it over
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to Hunter.
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Yeah.
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All right. Hello, everybody.
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Thank you very much for
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allowing me to have a few
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moments to speak to you all
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tonight. Uh, like Tanya said,
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I'm pretty new here at the
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city. I've been here for about
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five months, and I've really
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enjoyed it so far. I really I
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know you guys get to make a lot
[13:40]
of the the hard decisions and
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have some tough discussions,
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but we're gonna take a few
[13:44]
moments and talk about some fun
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stuff. So, um, I'm going to go
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into our next slide here.
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Actually, I'll wait for the
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PowerPoint to kick on. All
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right. So we're going to talk
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about some of the opportunities
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to get involved for your
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residents. So if you ever have
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residents coming up to you and
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asking for ways that they can
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get involved, they say that
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they appreciate and enjoy what
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you all do and what to do
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something themselves. This is
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going to be a presentation on
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how to do that. So many of you
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probably know, or at least
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recognize the face of Bill
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Gardner here. He's one of our
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lead volunteers, and he has
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served in every single one of
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these capacities, and many more
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than I could possibly imagine
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over the years that he has been
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here in O'Fallon. But these are
[14:18]
three of the big picture
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buckets for ways that residents
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can currently get involved with
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the city. Um, these three
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buckets are served. The city,
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serve the community and shape
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the future. There's a lot more
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information on each of those
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little buckets, but there's
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also a dedicated slide for each
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of them as well. So I'm going
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to shift right into Serve the
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city. Um, so serving the city
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is going to be opportunities
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for our residents to get
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involved with things that are
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happening here at City Hall, at
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the Reynolds Center, happening
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at the Justice Center. Any of
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the spaces that the city owns.
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Um, so working side by side
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with our department staff, uh,
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that are, you know, on the
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field doing things for the
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city, serving in some capacity
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already. Um, these are most of
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these are going to be ongoing
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roles for residents who have
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the availability in their
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schedule for ongoing service.
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So some of them are coming in
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weekly. Some of them are coming
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every other week. It might be
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monthly, but some amount of
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consistent, uh, servitude is an
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opportunity for them. An
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example of that that I put on
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here being the Veteran Services
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office. And so if any of you
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are familiar with the Veteran
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Services office, it's here in
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City Hall. Uh, it's down on the
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other side, not on the rotunda
[15:17]
side, but it got moved over to
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the other end there. Um, but
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they are here weekly, every
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single day of the week, and
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they are serving the residents
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that are needing services in
[15:25]
that area. Um, other
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opportunities in this area,
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though, are the on call and
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special project opportunities.
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So these would be things like
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what's pictured here. So this
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is Peggy Feeney. She is a
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member of the Speedy Bunch.
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This picture is from a Speedy
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Bunch project where the, uh,
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that group of individuals came
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in and was stuffing envelopes
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for either an event that was
[15:43]
coming up or packets that
[15:44]
needed to be sent out to the
[15:45]
residents of O'Fallon. These
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are things that we obviously
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could do as staff within City
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Hall, but that would limit our
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capacity quite a bit. If we are
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consistently just stuffing
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envelopes over and over or
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doing other event needs, that
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we can have people that come in
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and actually have a, you know,
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they're coming in because they
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want to be able to give back in
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some way, and they want to
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serve their fellow citizens in
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here in O'Fallon. So this is an
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opportunity for them to do so.
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Uh, the example I put on there
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are HR, HR team is moving to a
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new system here soon. So we
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have some IT tech help that we
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have another volunteer coming
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up to serve as well. Shifting
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into serving the community. So
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these are going to be a little
[16:21]
bit more of the forward facing
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kind of spotlight events that
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you've seen already. Um, so the
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community events would be
[16:26]
things like random acts of
[16:27]
kindness in February, Heritage
[16:29]
and Freedom Festival. We just
[16:31]
had that one. So you're all
[16:31]
familiar with that, that event
[16:33]
and many of the other ones that
[16:34]
we offer throughout the city,
[16:35]
we being the city as a whole,
[16:36]
not just volunteer services
[16:37]
team, these events could not
[16:39]
happen. They could not function
[16:40]
without volunteers. And so our
[16:42]
office is helping connect those
[16:43]
volunteers with the
[16:44]
opportunities to serve and give
[16:45]
back in some capacity to help
[16:47]
with some of these community
[16:48]
events. Service projects is
[16:49]
another way that citizens can
[16:52]
give back. This is through
[16:53]
things like Earth Day that runs
[16:55]
in April as well, and that
[16:56]
one's going to be an
[16:57]
opportunity for residents to
[16:58]
come in, you know, in large
[17:00]
groups, plant flowers at the
[17:01]
different sites that the city
[17:02]
owns. So if you have
[17:04]
appreciated in any way what the
[17:05]
landscaping looks like here at
[17:06]
City Hall, first thank the
[17:08]
landscaping crew, but then also
[17:09]
thank the volunteers that were
[17:10]
helped up here on Earth Day for
[17:11]
that one. We also have the park
[17:12]
cleanups, the creek cleanups,
[17:13]
and other events like that.
[17:15]
Those are opportunities for
[17:16]
individual residents to come up
[17:18]
or businesses. They frequently
[17:19]
reach out to us saying that
[17:20]
they want to coordinate a creek
[17:22]
cleanup with us, and then our
[17:23]
team will help coordinate what
[17:25]
day they can do that. They'll
[17:26]
work with the staff to make
[17:27]
sure that they've got all the
[17:28]
safety equipment and things
[17:29]
that they need to do that
[17:30]
effectively and safely as well.
[17:32]
And then the ongoing events and
[17:34]
opportunities would be things
[17:34]
like our docents program. So
[17:36]
any of you, if you're familiar
[17:37]
with the Heald home and the
[17:38]
tours that we offer of that
[17:39]
space there, or the service
[17:40]
learning opportunities that we
[17:41]
offer through the city to these
[17:42]
are all things ways for the
[17:44]
residents to serve the
[17:45]
community. And then helping
[17:49]
shape the future. This one is
[17:50]
probably the one you all are
[17:51]
most familiar with, because
[17:52]
these are things like the
[17:53]
boards and commissions. These
[17:54]
will be opportunities that I
[17:55]
know all of you have some
[17:56]
connection with already through
[17:57]
the different, um, commissions
[17:59]
and boards that you are
[18:00]
liaisons for. Um, but our
[18:02]
office kind of, I guess co does
[18:04]
that with the mayor's office
[18:05]
and the administration by
[18:07]
tracking all the hours and the
[18:09]
logging, all of that on the
[18:10]
back end, so that we have all
[18:11]
that recorded for them to be
[18:13]
acknowledged on an annual basis
[18:14]
for their service to the city.
[18:18]
And then this slide here is
[18:19]
really kind of looking at what
[18:21]
we're what I picture our office
[18:23]
doing moving forward. So we're
[18:24]
really starting to hear a lot
[18:25]
more consistent feedback on
[18:27]
opportunities for youth and
[18:28]
young adults. Or as I put at
[18:30]
the top there, the next
[18:31]
generation of engaged citizens.
[18:33]
These two quotes were things
[18:34]
that I heard recently that were
[18:35]
really interesting and
[18:37]
inspiring for me. But the first
[18:39]
one on the left side there, how
[18:40]
can youth make their voices
[18:41]
heard? This is brought up here
[18:42]
in this space just a couple of
[18:43]
weeks ago by a young man that
[18:45]
came by, I believe he was a Boy
[18:46]
Scout, if I remember correctly,
[18:47]
but he was looking for a way to
[18:49]
have his voice heard and wanted
[18:50]
to be a part of things that are
[18:51]
happening in his city here. Um,
[18:53]
on the right side. How can
[18:54]
young adults or I think she
[18:55]
actually said high schoolers. I
[18:56]
couldn't quite remember, uh,
[18:57]
get involved in give back to
[18:59]
their communities. This was
[19:00]
raised, uh, a question that was
[19:01]
raised at the mIAC meeting just
[19:02]
a couple weeks ago as well. Uh,
[19:04]
I recently started serving with
[19:05]
cannon on that one to get a
[19:07]
little bit more involvement
[19:08]
with the youth and young
[19:09]
adults, to see the ways that we
[19:10]
can potentially expand our
[19:12]
opportunities. And before I
[19:13]
could even mention that that
[19:14]
was something I was interested
[19:15]
in. This question was raised in
[19:16]
that space. So I was like, I
[19:17]
guess I'm in the right area.
[19:18]
Um, but this is so all that to
[19:20]
say, I don't think these were
[19:21]
two isolated incidents. I don't
[19:22]
think these were the only two
[19:24]
youth and young adults in this
[19:25]
city that are looking for ways
[19:26]
to be a part of something
[19:27]
bigger than themselves. Um, I
[19:29]
think this is just a these are
[19:30]
the two vocal ones that I heard
[19:31]
more recently that are examples
[19:33]
of a growing movement in that
[19:34]
direction, too. So moving
[19:36]
forward, this is just kind of
[19:36]
some seeds that we're planting
[19:37]
for the future. But this is
[19:38]
something that you're going to
[19:39]
see a lot more from the
[19:40]
volunteer services office going
[19:42]
into the next year, and things
[19:43]
that we'll talk about once we
[19:44]
get to budget discussions to.
[19:48]
So all of that leading to the
[19:49]
point of why I'm here today is
[19:51]
get connected. Um, have any of
[19:52]
you already heard of the Get
[19:53]
Connected platform? And it's
[19:55]
okay if you have not. All
[19:57]
right. So Get Connected is the
[19:59]
name of the platform that we
[20:01]
recently have implemented. It's
[20:03]
been in the the integration
[20:04]
stage in the building stage for
[20:05]
a couple of months here. And it
[20:06]
started before I, before I got
[20:08]
here in April. But this is
[20:09]
intended to be a one stop shop
[20:11]
for all of those engagement
[20:12]
opportunities that we just
[20:13]
talked about on the different
[20:14]
slides there. But this is
[20:16]
supposed to be a space where
[20:17]
residents from anywhere they've
[20:19]
been connected with us in the
[20:20]
past or if they have, are
[20:21]
wanting to seek us out for the
[20:22]
first time. If they were
[20:23]
wanting to find an opportunity
[20:24]
to get involved, they can go to
[20:26]
the site, they can look at all
[20:27]
the details as far as like when
[20:28]
what's the commitment level
[20:29]
look like? What do I need to
[20:31]
have? What qualifications? When
[20:33]
do they meet? Where do they
[20:34]
meet all those kinds of pieces?
[20:35]
There? They can then request to
[20:37]
be a part of that opportunity
[20:38]
by creating an account. It's
[20:40]
just an email is really all it
[20:41]
needs. And then that will allow
[20:43]
them to be on our radar so that
[20:44]
we can follow up with them for
[20:45]
future opportunities to serve
[20:46]
as well. Um, the bonus I put
[20:48]
down there is having their
[20:49]
lifetime hours logged. Like I
[20:50]
said, Bill is in our system and
[20:51]
he has far and far and away
[20:54]
many more than the second
[20:55]
closest volunteer. So we have
[20:57]
lifetime hours logged from even
[20:59]
before we were in Get Connected
[21:00]
because we did have another
[21:01]
database before this one as
[21:02]
well. And then that little
[21:03]
piece at the bottom right
[21:04]
corner just says that the
[21:05]
council accounts are ready. If
[21:06]
you haven't already received
[21:07]
anything to your council email
[21:09]
address, you should have, but
[21:11]
there is an account that was
[21:12]
created for you that is that will that will be
[21:15]
connected to that city account
[21:16]
so that you have the
[21:17]
opportunity to log in and check
[21:18]
out some of these opportunities
[21:19]
to if you haven't, just get in
[21:21]
touch with me and I will find a
[21:23]
way to get you.
[21:23]
Connected with you. I haven't, you haven't, I have
[21:26]
not received an email on it.
[21:27]
Okay. You know, it might not
[21:28]
actually create the account
[21:30]
then it just puts it into the
[21:31]
system so that when you log in,
[21:32]
it recognizes that. Um, because
[21:34]
I know that Katie just uploaded
[21:36]
that for the new council
[21:37]
members that weren't here last
[21:38]
year, but all of you that were
[21:40]
here last year as well were
[21:41]
already in ballistics. And all
[21:42]
of that data was transferred
[21:43]
over to this system here. So
[21:45]
I'll look into that a little
[21:46]
bit more with the team, and
[21:47]
we'll follow up on that. So
[21:51]
this is a quick screenshot of
[21:52]
what that site looks like. Um,
[21:53]
but this is I didn't want to
[21:55]
take you through the whole site
[21:56]
demo right now. It'd be a
[21:57]
little bit too much to go into
[21:58]
tonight. And I hear this
[21:59]
electron does not have
[22:00]
internet. So, um, this is just
[22:02]
a screenshot of that main page.
[22:03]
The programs is the first thing
[22:04]
that you see. Each of those
[22:05]
boxes, they're the first three
[22:06]
that are listed are adopter
[22:08]
programs, boards, commissions
[22:09]
and committees. And then
[22:10]
community outreach. Um, there
[22:12]
are 12 of those programs total
[22:13]
right now that are on that
[22:14]
site, but we are still in that
[22:15]
building out stage. So you're
[22:17]
probably going to see a few
[22:18]
changes to this site as we go
[22:20]
forward. Um, one of those is
[22:22]
already the youth and Youth and
[22:23]
young adults programs, or youth
[22:25]
service opportunities,
[22:26]
something in that realm. Um,
[22:27]
but that's the piece that we
[22:28]
are building out right now. So
[22:29]
that that student that asks for
[22:31]
mine and the the student that
[22:32]
asked, I'm here at the council
[22:33]
meeting a few weeks ago, have
[22:34]
those opportunities readily
[22:35]
available for them to see what
[22:37]
they can be a part of. The
[22:38]
other piece that's pretty
[22:39]
customizable is that left hand
[22:40]
side? Um, it says, um, put my
[22:43]
oh, I guess it's right in front
[22:44]
of me. Oh, you got remembering
[22:45]
nine 11, the volunteer
[22:46]
newsletter, Senior resources,
[22:48]
veteran resources, community
[22:50]
resources. These are all pieces
[22:51]
that we can customize and that
[22:53]
we have selected to have right
[22:54]
there on the front display
[22:55]
page. For instance, the
[22:56]
remembering nine over 11.
[22:57]
That's not there year round.
[22:59]
That's something that we put up
[22:59]
because obviously the event is
[23:01]
coming up and we have a couple
[23:02]
different events commemorating
[23:04]
that date coming up tomorrow
[23:05]
and on Saturday. So after this
[23:07]
weekend, we're going to swap
[23:08]
that out for the next set of
[23:09]
events that's coming up. So
[23:10]
that is something that we will
[23:12]
use to make sure that this is
[23:13]
always up to date. And the most
[23:15]
relevant for the citizens on
[23:16]
this page.
[23:19]
Honor on the boards and
[23:21]
commissions. Does that get back
[23:24]
to Katie?
[23:25]
It does. Yeah. So when they
[23:26]
click on that one, that one in
[23:27]
particular takes them to a page
[23:29]
that tells them what the
[23:29]
different boards and
[23:30]
commissions are and how to
[23:32]
apply for those.
[23:33]
And that'll link that. And then
[23:34]
that goes to Katie, right?
[23:36]
Yes. Yeah. It leaks them to
[23:37]
that general application that
[23:38]
tells them how to go through
[23:39]
Katie and the rest of your team
[23:40]
for that.
[23:41]
Thank you.
[23:44]
So if you hear any of these, phrases or
[23:47]
anything else that's in this
[23:48]
realm, how can I give back? How
[23:50]
can I get involved? I want to
[23:51]
make a difference in my
[23:52]
community. Anything like this.
[23:54]
should hopefully trigger
[23:55]
this conversation today or
[23:57]
trigger memory for this
[23:57]
conversation today, where the
[23:59]
guy that spoke a little too
[24:00]
quickly and rambled at times
[24:01]
came and told you about a
[24:02]
system that connects them with
[24:04]
those opportunities called Get
[24:06]
Connected. Um, so this right
[24:07]
here, this obviously you don't
[24:09]
have to scan this right now.
[24:10]
It's all on the TV here for
[24:11]
O'Fallon TV. But, um, this is
[24:13]
an opportunity to go to the
[24:15]
site here. All of your
[24:16]
residents can go to this site
[24:17]
and look for those ways to get
[24:19]
involved. If any of them have
[24:20]
questions beyond what we offer
[24:22]
there, or if they're looking
[24:23]
for something that we don't
[24:24]
offer that's not currently
[24:25]
listed on that site, that does
[24:27]
not mean that it can't exist.
[24:28]
Just connect them with our
[24:29]
office, connect them with me
[24:30]
directly, and I'd be happy to
[24:31]
start talking to talking about
[24:32]
opportunities for growing the program moving
[24:35]
forward. With that, I believe.
[24:39]
Yes, I will open that up to any
[24:40]
questions that you guys have.
[24:41]
Questions for. Hunter, Mr.
[24:43]
Wexler?
[24:44]
Thank you. Not really a
[24:45]
question. I just tried to log
[24:46]
in there, and when you put your
[24:47]
city city email in, it
[24:49]
automatically sends you a
[24:50]
password reset to your city
[24:52]
email. Super easy. Okay. You
[24:55]
just reset your password and
[24:58]
quickly log in. So super easy.
[25:00]
That's great to know. I
[25:00]
appreciate.
[25:01]
What happens when your code
[25:02]
doesn't work.
[25:04]
Then you let me know and I'll
[25:06]
follow up with you on that.
[25:07]
Yeah.
[25:08]
My code doesn't work.
[25:10]
Okay, I'll follow up with you.
[25:12]
Mr. Palmer.
[25:14]
Uh, welcome to the city. I
[25:15]
think you got about as much
[25:16]
time as half of us up here.
[25:18]
Sure. Clearly doing much better
[25:19]
than we are. So, uh, especially
[25:21]
on the rambling part. I speak
[25:23]
for myself on that one. I did
[25:24]
have a couple questions,
[25:25]
though. Um, have you? Well,
[25:28]
three questions. One is, can
[25:29]
they also get there through the
[25:30]
city website? So if they go to
[25:31]
the city website, they'll say,
[25:32]
okay, good. Yes. And then have
[25:34]
you thought about I don't know
[25:35]
if we can do this or if there's
[25:36]
an ability, but I think about
[25:38]
churches and they have youth
[25:39]
groups and they have the same
[25:40]
thing where a lot of these
[25:41]
questions get asked, how can I
[25:42]
go do that? I don't know if
[25:43]
there's a way to outreach
[25:44]
specifically to ecclesiastical
[25:45]
leaders in the community, but
[25:47]
that might be an opportunity.
[25:48]
And then the other thought I
[25:49]
had was, do you present to like
[25:51]
the senior advisory Committee?
[25:52]
Because it feels like I mean,
[25:54]
there might be a lot of
[25:55]
opportunities there that are on
[25:56]
there unaware of. So just some
[25:57]
thoughts.
[25:58]
Yes, absolutely. Uh, and to
[26:00]
I'll see if I can remember all
[26:01]
three of those in order for the
[26:02]
first one. Yes. If you go to
[26:03]
the city's website and then you
[26:05]
visit the volunteer services
[26:06]
page, or if you just I've
[26:07]
tested this a few times. If you
[26:08]
just Google volunteer O'Fallon,
[26:10]
um, then this is the first site
[26:11]
that pops up and it'll take you
[26:13]
to a I think it'll take you to
[26:14]
the city's web page first,
[26:15]
which has a direct link to this
[26:17]
portal. And then for the second
[26:19]
question, as far as getting in
[26:20]
touch with the local churches
[26:21]
and congregations in the area.
[26:23]
Yes, that is an opportunity.
[26:25]
It's listed on the website on
[26:26]
that main page for O'Fallon of
[26:28]
like if you are a group looking
[26:29]
to provide service to the city
[26:31]
in some way, then you can get
[26:32]
in touch with us and we can set
[26:33]
that up. So a lot of times we
[26:35]
see that through the, uh, serve
[26:37]
days that I was talking about
[26:38]
on.
[26:40]
Um.
[26:42]
This page here. Um, so a lot of
[26:43]
times we'll either be contacted
[26:45]
by local businesses or churches
[26:46]
or any other group of people in
[26:48]
this area that want to clean up
[26:50]
a park that's near their
[26:51]
location or near their church
[26:52]
building. Then they can reach
[26:53]
out to us and set that up.
[26:55]
Something that I am looking
[26:56]
personally to doing is kind of
[26:58]
in this realm is reaching out
[26:59]
to specifically youth groups in
[27:00]
the area as well, looking for
[27:02]
ways that those groups can get
[27:03]
involved. And if they haven't
[27:04]
thought about service in some
[27:05]
capacity in, you know already,
[27:07]
if they haven't been talking
[27:08]
about that, that's something
[27:09]
that I am personally planning
[27:10]
on connecting with them and
[27:12]
seeing if they're aware of. And
[27:14]
then the I did forget the third
[27:16]
question. What was that third
[27:17]
one?
[27:18]
Seniors.
[27:18]
Yes. Um, so the
[27:20]
seniors, I actually right when
[27:21]
I started, I was invited to
[27:22]
come and speak at the Senior
[27:23]
Resident Advisory Committee. So
[27:26]
I've made a connection there
[27:26]
with, uh, the chairman of their
[27:28]
board. And then I also have
[27:29]
that connection, I believe,
[27:31]
with his wife in our office as
[27:32]
well. So, um, they're very
[27:34]
aware of the things that we're
[27:35]
offering as far as the
[27:36]
introduction of Get Connected
[27:37]
goes. But it's also a it's a
[27:39]
pathway that we've opened up by
[27:40]
me attending that meeting.
[27:43]
Amanda, hi.
[27:45]
Nice to meet you. Uh, I had a
[27:49]
question about specifically the
[27:52]
commissions when on that one,
[27:54]
the commissions and boards. You
[27:56]
go to that page and you said
[27:58]
there's a way to apply. I was
[28:00]
wondering if there's anything
[28:02]
that connects people to the
[28:05]
members of that board. I'm
[28:06]
thinking of, like cultural
[28:08]
arts. I was on there if if
[28:10]
someone, one of our residents
[28:11]
had a question directly for
[28:13]
cultural arts, there's no way
[28:15]
for them to actually get in
[28:16]
touch with the people on that
[28:18]
board right now. Yeah. And I
[28:19]
just wondered if that was
[28:21]
something that you could even
[28:22]
add or do on there.
[28:25]
That is a great question that I
[28:26]
may have to defer, because I
[28:27]
don't know if I oversee the the
[28:28]
functioning of those boards to
[28:30]
that extent. Would that be.
[28:32]
My my suggestion would be if
[28:34]
it's possible for them to
[28:36]
contact the liaison for that
[28:38]
Border Commission, because we
[28:40]
have each one of.
[28:41]
You on there.
[28:42]
Each one of you is that would
[28:44]
be a Mister Michalka question.
[28:47]
But he's not over there. So but
[28:49]
my my thing is I would each one
[28:53]
of you is on a border, uh,
[28:55]
liaison to one of the boards
[28:56]
and commissions. So if one of
[28:58]
those residents had a question
[29:00]
to me that would go to I don't want to send it to the
[29:04]
chairman of that. I really
[29:06]
don't to me, it should go to
[29:08]
the liaison.
[29:09]
So maybe even to put the
[29:11]
liaison contact on those
[29:13]
commissions. They know who the
[29:14]
liaison is or something like
[29:16]
that. It's just that I know a
[29:17]
lot of people have how do I get
[29:19]
in contact with planning and
[29:21]
zoning or something like that, they have no way to get in
[29:24]
contact with them. So, and they
[29:26]
don't know who to go to.
[29:27]
I agree, I agree with what
[29:29]
Mayor Hennessy said, and we
[29:31]
have talked about this in the
[29:32]
past, and I can't remember if
[29:33]
it was with Tony or with Tom,
[29:35]
but there was hesitation to put
[29:37]
those the the residents that
[29:39]
serve on the Commission, their
[29:41]
information on the website. So
[29:43]
we have refrained from doing
[29:44]
that for that reason. But we
[29:46]
could certainly find a way,
[29:47]
whether it's on volunteer
[29:49]
services or within the city's
[29:51]
website, to list the liaison.
[29:54]
Anybody else? Debbie.
[29:58]
Thank you. Mayor. Welcome,
[29:59]
Hunter. It's nice.
[29:59]
To see you. Thank you. Um.
[30:01]
There's a lot of high schoolers
[30:02]
that need, uh, service hours.
[30:04]
Yes. So do you have a spot
[30:06]
where they can maybe reach out
[30:08]
to the city for things like
[30:09]
that?
[30:09]
Yeah. So that is a, uh, a
[30:11]
network that I'm building out
[30:12]
currently. So I've started
[30:13]
reaching out to some of the
[30:14]
local high schools here to
[30:15]
establish the either the A+
[30:16]
contact for their school or the
[30:18]
NHS sponsor for their program
[30:20]
as well. And that is I'm going
[30:22]
to start building out a
[30:22]
consistent, uh, communication
[30:24]
thread with them to whenever we
[30:25]
have something like an HF
[30:26]
coming up, I can send out the
[30:28]
information to all of those
[30:29]
contacts at the same time and
[30:30]
say, we have these
[30:31]
opportunities, because this
[30:32]
year we fortunately, we didn't
[30:34]
have any gaps that were unable
[30:35]
to be covered in some other
[30:37]
capacity, but we did have some
[30:38]
gaps going into HF that we
[30:40]
could have had some more hands
[30:41]
on for. And so, I mean, before
[30:43]
here, I'm coming from a, a role
[30:45]
at a university. So I'm, I know
[30:47]
a lot of fraternities and
[30:48]
sororities need service hours.
[30:49]
A lot of other clubs on need
[30:51]
the same thing too. So planning
[30:52]
on getting in touch, kind of
[30:53]
broadening a little bit outside
[30:54]
of O'Fallon and going over to
[30:55]
like Saint Charles Community
[30:56]
College or even Lindenwood to
[30:58]
establish some of those
[30:59]
connections to to see if we can
[31:00]
get a little bit more
[31:01]
engagement from that
[31:02]
population.
[31:03]
That's great, because I know
[31:04]
when my kids were older, when
[31:06]
they were in high school and
[31:07]
stuff, they were always looking
[31:08]
for service hours. So that's a
[31:09]
great revenue avenue to go to.
[31:12]
So thank you.
[31:12]
Sure. Yeah.
[31:13]
The service hours
[31:14]
component. And then also the
[31:15]
uh, just the resume building
[31:16]
from that age.
[31:17]
Okay. Anybody else?
[31:19]
Amanda., I'm following up on my
[31:22]
one and stuck on it. Is there
[31:24]
even maybe a way that the
[31:26]
board, like the president of
[31:28]
the board, could have an
[31:29]
offline email address that they
[31:31]
can contact?
[31:32]
Mayor.
[31:33]
The, uh, liaison for all of the
[31:35]
boards and commissions is on
[31:36]
the board and commission
[31:37]
webpage, as well as the
[31:39]
recording secretary with their
[31:40]
email address so they can reach
[31:42]
out to the city through that.
[31:43]
It's on every page for those
[31:45]
commissions.
[31:46]
Okay. I thought somebody up
[31:48]
there was speaking to me when I
[31:50]
was this way.
[31:50]
So it.
[31:51]
Was. Okay. Anybody else?
[31:58]
Thanks. Hunter Thomas.
[31:59]
Thanks.
[31:59]
Thank you all for your.
[32:00]
Time.
[32:03]
Next is amending. Amending
[32:06]
section one 10.200 Manor of
[32:09]
Judson City Council. Miss
[32:11]
Spencer, this is yours.
[32:13]
I. What do you want me to talk
[32:16]
about?
[32:17]
This is what you requested.
[32:19]
I think this is a wonderful
[32:20]
idea. I think it gives our
[32:22]
residents an opportunity to
[32:24]
come in here and speak on, you
[32:25]
know, whatever they want to
[32:27]
speak on, in matters pertaining
[32:30]
to the city of O'Fallon. They
[32:32]
can't just come in here and
[32:33]
talk about anything and
[32:34]
everything. Um, and I think
[32:37]
that it used to be this way.
[32:39]
Right. Um, and then we put the
[32:41]
limits on it, which I think was
[32:44]
probably warranted at the time.
[32:45]
And I think we can maybe kind
[32:47]
of loosen that up a little bit,
[32:49]
allow the first ten people with
[32:52]
a comment card to speak on
[32:53]
whatever they want to speak on.
[32:54]
And I think that the residents
[32:56]
deserve that right.
[32:58]
There's a couple things, you
[33:00]
know, are you going to allow
[33:02]
them to beat up on city staff?
[33:07]
No, I don't think it would be
[33:08]
kind of what it is. Now.
[33:09]
Hold on, hold on. Because what
[33:12]
you're going to get, okay,
[33:14]
you're going to have people
[33:15]
come out and say, hey, this is
[33:16]
city business. I'm going to
[33:17]
beat up on planning and zoning.
[33:20]
I'm going to beat up on the
[33:21]
police department. I'm going to
[33:22]
beat up on finance. I'm going
[33:23]
to beat up on engineering, I'm
[33:25]
going to beat up on it. And
[33:26]
they will call them people out
[33:29]
because it has happened before.
[33:32]
So you're drawing a very fine
[33:35]
line if you're going to allow
[33:36]
somebody to speak. You know,
[33:40]
okay. What happens when
[33:42]
somebody comes and says, what
[33:44]
are you going to do about the
[33:45]
vaccine vaccinations going on
[33:47]
in the city of O'Fallon?
[33:50]
Granted, we don't have anything
[33:51]
to do with the vaccine because
[33:52]
that's the health department.
[33:53]
But, you know, there's a whole
[33:56]
lot of things that you're
[33:59]
saying on city business. To me,
[34:03]
that is it's a wide range. So I
[34:09]
mean, this we're running the
[34:12]
meetings are a city business.
[34:15]
And to me, they have other ways
[34:17]
to contact staff. They have
[34:21]
contact the elected officials.
[34:24]
You know, anybody else? Mr.
[34:29]
Wilcox?
[34:30]
So it was open agenda at one
[34:33]
point years ago. Is that
[34:34]
correct?
[34:35]
Uh, 6 or 7 years ago, somewhere
[34:38]
around there.
[34:38]
So what was it? Did something
[34:40]
happen to warrant the change?
[34:42]
All those things.
[34:43]
All things that I just
[34:44]
mentioned. We had people coming
[34:46]
up just. Putting our staff down,
[34:53]
saying that they were part of a
[34:55]
what was it, a country club,
[35:00]
people? I mean, to me, that's
[35:02]
not what they're here for.
[35:04]
They're not here to get reamed
[35:07]
and everything else from. The
[35:13]
residents to me, if they have a
[35:15]
problem, they get Ahold of Mr.
[35:17]
Snowden or one of the elected
[35:19]
officials and say, I have a
[35:21]
problem with this department
[35:24]
head. Mr. Snowden, can you look
[35:26]
into this? He will look into it.
[35:30]
So, Mr. Lake.
[35:33]
Mayor, on that, you know, um,
[35:35]
is there not an implied level
[35:37]
of decorum that needs to be
[35:39]
maintained where, you know, if
[35:41]
there starts to be a personal
[35:42]
attack rather than an attack on
[35:44]
an issue or a department that
[35:46]
the presiding officer can, you
[35:48]
know, either allow them to make
[35:50]
them forfeit their time or mute
[35:52]
the mic.
[35:53]
Yes, and I've done that before.
[35:55]
But they keep they keep going.
[35:57]
I mean, I do not want to put
[36:00]
staff in that in that
[36:04]
predicament, I really don't.
[36:06]
They're here to answer our
[36:09]
questions. They're not here to
[36:11]
get beaten up by the residents.
[36:14]
Miss Taylor.
[36:16]
I mean, I was going to mention
[36:18]
that we have it specifically in
[36:20]
the ordinance to, uh, respect,
[36:23]
you know, keep decorum. And,
[36:26]
uh, I think that should handle
[36:28]
it. I mean, if we can't control
[36:31]
them after that, I mean, don't
[36:32]
we have security here that can
[36:33]
bring them out or something
[36:34]
like that? But it's in here
[36:37]
that they have to follow
[36:38]
decorum, and it's written in
[36:40]
that ordinance. So, uh, I think
[36:42]
that shouldn't be a problem. I
[36:45]
know that people, even council
[36:47]
members that were on this
[36:49]
council before, no longer here
[36:51]
and voted, uh, for this change.
[36:54]
I've heard we, Corey and I both
[36:57]
have heard from several that
[36:59]
are glad we brought this back
[37:00]
up, because it does silence.
[37:02]
You know, it it might be. I
[37:04]
think we all can probably look
[37:05]
around and and look at our
[37:07]
meetings and know why this was
[37:09]
implemented or who this was
[37:10]
implemented for. Um, a certain
[37:13]
person that comes here and
[37:15]
speaks and, and attempt, I
[37:18]
think, to silence one person.
[37:20]
We have silenced the entire,
[37:21]
you know, city, all its
[37:24]
residents in the city. And
[37:26]
that's wrong. And it certainly
[37:27]
hasn't even silenced that one
[37:29]
person, you know, and and they
[37:32]
still come in here sometimes
[37:33]
and may attack. But that's when
[37:35]
we step in and we say that's
[37:37]
not appropriate. But I mean,
[37:40]
this is this is this isn't like
[37:43]
we're up here. I'm going to
[37:45]
talk about, of course, my ward
[37:46]
report. But this isn't like
[37:47]
we're up here on some throne,
[37:49]
and and the people have to
[37:50]
listen to us. I mean, the
[37:53]
people are our bosses, you
[37:55]
know, they should come in here
[37:56]
and tell us the problems that
[37:57]
they're having, and. And you're
[38:00]
going to tell your boss, oh,
[38:01]
you can't come, and you can
[38:02]
only speak on this like we've
[38:04]
kept it, that we speak on
[38:05]
topics that are pertaining to a
[38:08]
city business, that they can't
[38:10]
just come in here and start
[38:11]
attacking our families or
[38:12]
anything like that. So and it's
[38:17]
kind of funny, I haven't even
[38:18]
seen a city around that does
[38:19]
anything like this. I've asked
[38:21]
there's no other city that does
[38:22]
anything like this. We're the
[38:25]
only ones, so it's crazy.
[38:34]
Mr. Palmer.
[38:36]
Uh, yeah, I got a series of
[38:37]
questions. Um, kind of already
[38:39]
answered. What's? Well, I mean,
[38:41]
what what is driving the change
[38:44]
now? Um, and is our current
[38:47]
process for citizens to get
[38:48]
their voices heard? I'm asking
[38:50]
because up until two weeks ago,
[38:52]
I had not had anybody raised
[38:54]
the issue to me. Um, until two
[38:57]
weeks ago when somebody figured
[38:58]
out that they couldn't speak on
[38:59]
agenda item. So are you I mean,
[39:02]
what is driving the change or
[39:04]
the proposed change?
[39:07]
Corey. It's yours.
[39:09]
Because we feel that people
[39:11]
have a right to come in here
[39:12]
and say what they want to say,
[39:13]
whether it's on an agenda item
[39:14]
or not. And again, this was the
[39:16]
way before. And Amanda's right.
[39:18]
We there were changes made for
[39:20]
very obvious reasons. And you
[39:24]
know, you still have a few
[39:27]
individuals. I don't want a
[39:28]
single one person out, um, that
[39:31]
come in here and, and talk and talk. And I've heard
[39:34]
mayor say time and time again,
[39:35]
your time is up. You can't say
[39:36]
that. You can't talk about
[39:37]
that. And that's fine, because
[39:38]
that's how it's currently
[39:39]
written. But I think if they're
[39:41]
if you're going to maintain a
[39:43]
level of respect and a level of
[39:44]
decorum, and if you if you
[39:46]
deviate from that, then it gets
[39:48]
shut down. And if they want to
[39:49]
keep hooting and hollering and
[39:50]
screaming and yelling or, or
[39:51]
act a certain way, then that's
[39:52]
precisely why we have security
[39:56]
here. And they can leave and
[39:58]
then they don't get to come
[39:59]
back and speak. If you can't be
[40:02]
respectful and not attack staff
[40:04]
and not attack certain council
[40:06]
members, it's meant to address
[40:07]
council as a whole, not to come
[40:09]
in here and say, Mr. Palmer, I
[40:11]
have a problem with you, Mr.
[40:12]
Woods. I have a problem with
[40:13]
you, Miss Spencer. I have a
[40:14]
problem with you. That's not
[40:15]
what it is meant for. It is
[40:16]
meant for people to come and
[40:18]
voice their concerns on things
[40:19]
that they feel are important to
[40:22]
them. And I think silencing
[40:23]
them is it's not an okay to
[40:25]
silence the people that put us
[40:26]
in these seats, and I'll die on
[40:28]
that hill.
[40:30]
Yeah.
[40:31]
Go ahead, Mr. Palmer. You still
[40:32]
have.
[40:33]
The floor. Yeah. Sorry. I got,
[40:34]
like, five questions. Um, so.
[40:37]
I guess, uh, was it all
[40:39]
because of the one individual,
[40:40]
or was it more than that? I
[40:41]
mean, that wasn't here. The the
[40:44]
reason for the original change
[40:47]
because I can't, I, I mean, I
[40:48]
don't it would be if I may.
[40:50]
Yeah. Those who have speculated
[40:55]
as.
[40:55]
To the reason.
[40:56]
Why in 2020, this ordinance was
[40:58]
adopted were not members of the
[41:00]
council at the time, were not
[41:02]
parties to the debate or
[41:04]
discussion that took place, or
[41:05]
any other briefing that the
[41:07]
Council received at the time.
[41:09]
And I think it would be
[41:12]
unfortunate if the public came
[41:14]
to believe that this
[41:18]
legislation was adopted with
[41:20]
respect to silence. One person
[41:22]
that was not the case is not
[41:26]
the case now, and was not the
[41:29]
case then. Okay. I mean, that
[41:32]
was okay. I'm sorry. I assume
[41:34]
you're going to respond to
[41:35]
that.
[41:35]
Thank you. Yes. Thank you. So
[41:38]
what if you can come in here
[41:39]
and speak on an agenda item?
[41:41]
What is stopping that person
[41:43]
from quote unquote, attacking
[41:45]
any of the staff on that agenda
[41:46]
item? What would you do in that
[41:47]
case? You would shut it down.
[41:49]
They would they would be
[41:50]
escorted out if necessary or
[41:52]
told to sit down. And your time
[41:54]
is up. Why is it different if
[41:56]
they can speak on any agenda
[41:57]
item, it would be the same
[41:59]
outcome. So they can come in
[42:01]
here. And as long as the item
[42:02]
is on the agenda, they can
[42:04]
attack staff all they want just
[42:05]
because it's not on the agenda.
[42:08]
I'm not I'm not understanding
[42:10]
the logic there because we
[42:11]
allow people to speak on agenda
[42:13]
items. So if your argument is
[42:15]
that they're going to come in
[42:16]
here and attack staff, they can
[42:17]
already do that and you're
[42:18]
going to shut them down
[42:19]
anyways. So what is the what is
[42:22]
the issue with opening it up
[42:23]
and having the same course of
[42:27]
action? If they come in here
[42:28]
and are not respectful?
[42:34]
Next question.
[42:37]
Um, the next question kind of
[42:40]
tied to what was already
[42:41]
mentioned when I read the
[42:43]
ordinance, the preexisting
[42:44]
ordinance that says all remarks
[42:46]
shall be addressed to city
[42:47]
council as a body and not to
[42:48]
the individual member thereof.
[42:50]
Um, if we proceed with this,
[42:51]
I'd like to have some strength
[42:52]
and language in there to
[42:54]
specifically state that to
[42:56]
include the staff exclusion so
[42:57]
they are not to address staff
[42:58]
period. And, uh, if anyone
[43:01]
violates decorum or attacks any
[43:04]
individual, then they by
[43:07]
default lost their time. I
[43:08]
think the current one says that
[43:09]
if they, uh, deviate from the
[43:11]
agenda item, they lose their
[43:12]
time. And so I think I think a
[43:14]
mitigation would be to include
[43:15]
that in there as well. I also
[43:17]
had a question around, um, when
[43:20]
it said, and I'm, I'm not a
[43:21]
lawyer. Uh, but when it says by
[43:23]
majority vote of the members
[43:25]
then present, does that mean if
[43:26]
there are five council members
[43:27]
there, then you only need three
[43:29]
votes? And this is in reference
[43:30]
to cutting off all of in any
[43:32]
one meeting. I think you can
[43:34]
cut off. It allows like a cut
[43:36]
off or a stop to the comments.
[43:37]
Is that what that verbiage
[43:39]
means, or does that mean you
[43:40]
need six even if you only have
[43:41]
seven? And in session.
[43:43]
Well.
[43:44]
You can't run a meeting with
[43:45]
five councilmen.
[43:46]
Okay. So then six if you have
[43:48]
six, uh, do you only need 4 or
[43:51]
3? Three tie in. The mayor
[43:52]
breaks. I'm trying to
[43:53]
understand. Is it like the
[43:54]
other items that you always
[43:56]
need? Six or in this case is a
[43:58]
verb. The verbiage allow
[44:00]
something less than six.
[44:01]
Just one thing that the only
[44:02]
thing that you need six votes
[44:03]
for is on an ordinance.
[44:05]
Everything else is a simple
[44:06]
majority.
[44:07]
Of those present.
[44:08]
Of those legislation.
[44:10]
I mean, on
[44:12]
resolutions, it's it's a simple
[44:14]
majority. So if there's six
[44:16]
councilmen here, a four two
[44:18]
vote or a three three vote, I
[44:20]
break the tie.
[44:21]
That makes sense. And then, um.
[44:27]
What was the other question
[44:28]
going to be? I got two more,
[44:29]
uh, the limitation on the you
[44:32]
already talked about some of
[44:33]
the reasons I'm getting, the
[44:35]
sense that those that were
[44:36]
around at that time does not
[44:38]
feel like what's currently
[44:39]
written would still mitigate
[44:42]
some of that risk, while giving
[44:43]
the perception of a more open
[44:45]
meeting. Is that and if not,
[44:48]
then can we? What can we do to
[44:50]
draft in there to help mitigate
[44:51]
those? I'm I'm. This is going
[44:53]
to sound really bad. I'm a
[44:54]
little torn on it. Um, I think
[44:57]
people should have the chance
[44:59]
to address, um, I also think
[45:02]
there's kind of already an
[45:03]
opportunity for them to address
[45:04]
any of us, because I get talks
[45:06]
all the time and emails and
[45:07]
contacts. What I would hate to
[45:10]
see also happen is that a line
[45:12]
of a thousand people all take
[45:13]
three minutes just to blow our
[45:15]
time and be difficult. Um, I
[45:17]
know that's an extreme, but I
[45:19]
just I think there's a happy
[45:21]
medium in here somewhere, but
[45:23]
we're really going to rely on
[45:24]
those who are around to help us
[45:27]
draft in there what we can do
[45:29]
to mitigate that risk, to
[45:30]
ensure we don't repeat back
[45:31]
into what drove it the first
[45:33]
time around, while still again,
[45:34]
given the perception of being
[45:36]
more open.
[45:36]
I can tell you there's out of the 11 elected officials
[45:40]
sitting up here at the time,
[45:42]
there's only two sitting
[45:43]
remaining. So just to answer
[45:48]
your question.
[45:49]
So then there I posed the
[45:50]
question. The two of you are
[45:52]
out of the risks that you see.
[45:55]
What could we put in there that
[45:56]
would help mitigate it? And
[45:57]
then we would remind everybody
[45:58]
up front, hey, don't break
[46:01]
these rules or you're gone.
[46:02]
Like, we're doing this for a
[46:04]
reason, but not to be abused.
[46:05]
So.
[46:07]
Okay. Mister Wilcox.
[46:12]
, so I like your idea. Like
[46:14]
before the public comment
[46:16]
section would start. I mean,
[46:17]
maybe we there's a disclaimer
[46:19]
where we say this. You can
[46:21]
address your agenda item.
[46:22]
There's no personal attacks,
[46:23]
you know, just a short little
[46:25]
thing.
[46:26]
It's on everybody.
[46:26]
It's on the back of the card.
[46:28]
Okay. And then lemon limiting
[46:30]
you know, there can only be a
[46:32]
limit of 10 or 20 per meeting.
[46:35]
You can't have 100, obviously.
[46:36]
So is that in there like I
[46:37]
didn't I don't think I saw it
[46:38]
in there is is putting a
[46:40]
number. Um, so I guess that's
[46:42]
part of my point is if there
[46:43]
was a concern that people were
[46:45]
lining up out the door just to
[46:46]
complain, then we say, hey,
[46:48]
first whatever number, I don't
[46:49]
know.
[46:51]
I'm I would be totally against
[46:54]
that. You're going to put ten
[46:56]
people first. Ten people come
[46:58]
in and want to speak on
[46:59]
whatever they want to talk
[47:00]
about. Number 11 walks in and
[47:05]
wants to speak. I'll guarantee
[47:07]
you right now, eight out of ten
[47:09]
of you will say, let the 11
[47:12]
person speak.
[47:14]
Or I would say on the next, or
[47:16]
be faster to.
[47:16]
The next number on it.
[47:18]
You cannot put a number.
[47:20]
On it.
[47:21]
Because if if what you guys are
[47:23]
saying, you're going to allow
[47:26]
60 people to walk in here and
[47:28]
talk about whatever they want
[47:29]
to talk about for three
[47:32]
minutes, and no, you cannot
[47:33]
say, you know, we've already
[47:35]
heard this, we've already heard
[47:37]
this move on. If you're going
[47:41]
to do this, you're going to
[47:42]
open up wide open for however
[47:46]
many people want to talk. And
[47:48]
to miss Spencer's point, you
[47:51]
can't kick them out. I mean,
[47:52]
yeah, you can make them leave
[47:54]
that meeting, but they can come
[47:56]
back the next meeting.
[47:57]
And. then keep coming. Their
[47:58]
attitude, because it is.
[47:59]
It's their First Amendment
[48:01]
right to come to these meetings.
[48:07]
Miss Taylor.
[48:10]
Um, first, I mean, let's be
[48:13]
honest, we maybe have 1 or 2
[48:17]
people in the that come to
[48:18]
these meetings. I'm not worried
[48:20]
that thousand I mean, even
[48:23]
worried that ten people are
[48:24]
going to come and sign a
[48:26]
comment card unless there's a
[48:27]
problem and that's usually on
[48:29]
the agenda item. I mean, that's
[48:30]
a moot point for me. And I did
[48:33]
want to comment because you
[48:34]
asked Corey about, um, why now?
[48:37]
And the timing. And I did bring
[48:39]
this up last year with our
[48:41]
strategic plan, wanting to do
[48:42]
this. Um, but we do constantly
[48:46]
get asked, uh, to people to
[48:48]
come and speak on something. I
[48:50]
mean, I know me and Corey have
[48:52]
multiple times had to tell
[48:54]
people, no, they can't come and
[48:56]
speak on that because it's not
[48:57]
on the agenda item. So, I mean,
[49:00]
having to tell people that
[49:01]
right there, I'm embarrassed to
[49:03]
like, yeah, our council is
[49:06]
telling you you can't come and
[49:07]
speak on something in the city
[49:09]
that you want to speak on. You
[49:11]
know, I know last week I think
[49:13]
Council Member Wilcox had
[49:14]
someone here that wanted to
[49:16]
speak, and it was just
[49:17]
something about the storm
[49:17]
damage, you know? And, I mean,
[49:20]
they couldn't come and speak.
[49:21]
So I think this is an ongoing
[49:23]
issue that I've seen over the
[49:25]
last year that people have a
[49:27]
problem with not being able to
[49:29]
come up and talk to us.
[49:31]
Go ahead, Mr. Palmer.
[49:32]
So, I mean, I want to ask, is
[49:34]
that is that a true statement
[49:35]
that there is no way for them
[49:36]
to come and I and I when I, asked that question, I'm
[49:39]
not limited to council meeting
[49:41]
itself. Like if somebody has an
[49:43]
issue on a topic, can't they be
[49:44]
invited to come and speak on it
[49:46]
as an agenda item on the
[49:48]
workshop?
[49:50]
We normally do not have
[49:53]
residents speak at the workshop.
[49:55]
Very, very rarely do we have a
[49:58]
resident speak at the workshop.
[50:00]
But speak is in like a ad hoc
[50:04]
impromptu coming and speaking.
[50:06]
Could we not invite them to
[50:08]
come and share their views on a
[50:10]
certain topic? I'm just asking.
[50:12]
I'm trying to understand like
[50:13]
what really is a limitation and
[50:15]
what is really not a limitation.
[50:18]
I can I'm I'm just as new. Half
[50:21]
of us, I'm learning.
[50:22]
Go ahead. Amanda.
[50:24]
Um, there was only one time
[50:26]
that I've given up my ward
[50:28]
report just to let someone
[50:30]
speak, and I gave it up there,
[50:33]
because I did. I didn't think
[50:34]
they should deserve to come
[50:35]
here and speak, and we weren't
[50:37]
listening. So I gave my ward
[50:38]
report. That's been the only
[50:39]
time I've actually seen someone
[50:42]
able to speak outside of the
[50:44]
agenda items. So.
[50:46]
Mr. Lincoln.
[50:47]
Thank you. Mayor. Uh, the one
[50:49]
remark I want to make falls
[50:50]
back on some experience on
[50:52]
planning and zoning. So
[50:54]
occasionally, you know, the
[50:55]
contentious topic comes up. Um,
[50:58]
a couple of times that's
[50:59]
happened. Generally, the
[51:01]
speakers have respected the
[51:03]
direction of the presiding
[51:04]
officer, in which, you know,
[51:06]
there should be an effort made
[51:08]
not to repeat the same
[51:10]
information or arguments over
[51:11]
and over. So, you know, I think
[51:13]
on some we've had 6 or 7
[51:14]
speakers and maybe 2 or 3,
[51:17]
we'll use the full three
[51:18]
minutes, but others may just
[51:20]
get up there and say, uh, you
[51:21]
know, I'm just here to support
[51:23]
this view. My points have
[51:24]
already been argued and they
[51:25]
respect the time.
[51:27]
So sorry, Corey, I just want to
[51:29]
I know your hands been up a
[51:30]
while, but I just want to hit
[51:31]
this one. Um, so I mean, that's
[51:32]
an example to me of that would
[51:35]
be a mitigation we could put in
[51:36]
place. Right. That says, hey,
[51:37]
if you're going to repeat what
[51:38]
somebody else is, has said,
[51:40]
like raise your hand or
[51:41]
something to indicate your
[51:42]
support of what they're saying
[51:43]
so we don't have to hear it 13
[51:45]
times over. But we still get a
[51:46]
point of, are we here? We can
[51:49]
see the quantity of folks that
[51:50]
support or agree with what's
[51:51]
being stated. I mean, that's I
[51:53]
guess, an example of what I'm
[51:54]
asking about.
[51:56]
Absolutely. And I don't know if
[51:57]
that needs to be explicitly
[51:59]
written out in the bill
[52:00]
language. I think that can
[52:00]
probably fall within the the
[52:02]
quorum and the guidance of the
[52:04]
presiding officer.
[52:08]
I'm not trying to rewrite
[52:09]
history here, people. I'm
[52:11]
trying to change one small
[52:13]
thing. Nothing changes outside
[52:16]
of the fact that you can
[52:18]
discuss items that are not on
[52:20]
that meeting's agenda. That's
[52:22]
it. All other rules stay. It's
[52:25]
the same thing. If I was
[52:27]
sitting down there and I had a
[52:28]
problem with something, and I
[52:30]
use my three minutes and I
[52:32]
scream and I yell and I attack,
[52:34]
and I name caller and I cuss,
[52:36]
that is not acceptable
[52:37]
behavior. No one's trying to
[52:39]
change that. I'm just saying
[52:40]
name one time in the five
[52:42]
months that I've six months,
[52:43]
five months that I've been up
[52:44]
here and the many months prior
[52:46]
to that, that I watched council
[52:47]
meetings, you know, how many
[52:48]
people total I saw use there?
[52:51]
Three minutes to speak on a
[52:52]
regular basis, one outside of a
[52:54]
regular basis, maybe five. This
[52:57]
is not opening up the door for
[52:59]
a hundred people to line up and
[53:01]
come in here and be like, I
[53:02]
want my three minutes to
[53:04]
complain about something.
[53:06]
That's not how I feel about our
[53:07]
residents. That's not how any
[53:08]
of you should feel about our
[53:09]
residents. This is simply meant
[53:12]
to say, like the poor woman at
[53:14]
the last meeting who had to
[53:15]
just write a letter because she
[53:17]
was told she cannot come speak,
[53:19]
or the gentleman who lives on
[53:21]
Brian Road, who has things he
[53:24]
wants to say and addresses
[53:25]
those with Amanda and I
[53:27]
regularly, and he wants to be
[53:29]
heard by the council as a
[53:30]
whole. And if that makes him
[53:31]
feel better to come in here and
[53:33]
for three minutes say what he
[53:34]
doesn't agree with, or our
[53:36]
request to change, or just get
[53:38]
it off his chest, why can he
[53:40]
not do that? It is literally no
[53:42]
different than speaking on an
[53:43]
agenda item, except for it's
[53:45]
not an agenda item.
[53:47]
It's just.
[53:51]
Brian.
[53:52]
So, Debbie, you've been here.
[53:54]
You sat through this quietly.
[53:57]
Yeah. Um, you had the
[53:59]
experience. You were part of
[54:00]
the crew that put this in
[54:02]
place. So what are your
[54:03]
concerns and thoughts on this?
[54:06]
So I was one of three people
[54:09]
that voted against it. I did
[54:11]
not want the I did not want the
[54:13]
ordinance to change hindsight.
[54:17]
I can remember one person
[54:19]
coming in to speak on a non
[54:21]
agenda item about a stop sign
[54:23]
in Ward three. As a whole, we
[54:25]
didn't have too much. We really
[54:27]
didn't have people coming in to
[54:29]
speak. So I don't know if it's
[54:31]
really affected that many
[54:33]
people that we have closed it.
[54:34]
But I was one that said, no, I
[54:36]
don't want to close it. Um, you
[54:39]
know, we have so many avenues
[54:41]
now to reach out to us. We have
[54:42]
a lot of social media. We have
[54:44]
emails, we have phone calls. We
[54:45]
have all kinds of ways. So, you
[54:48]
know, there are a lot of ways
[54:49]
for people to get Ahold of us
[54:50]
now. So I I'm on the fence. I
[54:53]
mean, I would love to open it
[54:54]
back up to I've missed the days
[54:56]
where people could come up. I
[54:57]
don't think it gets abused, but
[55:00]
at the same time, I see how
[55:01]
smoothly our meetings do go.
[55:03]
And I know people have other
[55:05]
avenues of reaching out to us,
[55:06]
so I'm hearing both sides of
[55:09]
everybody's arguments. I'm
[55:10]
sitting here listening to all
[55:11]
of it.
[55:12]
And sometimes people just want
[55:14]
to feel heard. And that for a
[55:17]
lot of people, means standing
[55:19]
up here in front of all of us,
[55:22]
being seen and feeling heard.
[55:24]
Social media, emails, text
[55:26]
messages, phone calls, all of
[55:27]
that is fine and great, and
[55:28]
that is utilized very regularly
[55:29]
for all of us. Sometimes they
[55:32]
just want to feel like they are
[55:35]
being heard, and that means
[55:36]
standing here, speaking their
[55:38]
piece and sitting down.
[55:40]
And really, isn't that our job,
[55:43]
right? I mean, isn't that what
[55:44]
we're here for? To be here for
[55:45]
the residents and to hear them.
[55:49]
Mr. Palmer?
[55:50]
Yeah. I mean, no, no
[55:52]
disagreement. Um, I, I mean, I
[55:54]
would question if someone has
[55:55]
an issue in your ward
[55:57]
specifically. Do they need to
[55:59]
reach out to me? No, but I
[56:02]
guess as a way of reaching some
[56:03]
type of compromise and
[56:05]
potentially moving forward, I
[56:07]
guess what I would ask is,
[56:09]
could we just take some inputs
[56:11]
on ways to enhance? We talked
[56:12]
about a lot of them, but ways
[56:13]
of enhancing it. And then if it
[56:15]
gets approved, do a a review in
[56:20]
six months or something to see.
[56:22]
Like did the fears we had on it
[56:24]
come to pass and how would we
[56:25]
adjust further? I mean, I
[56:26]
think, if nothing else, a trial
[56:27]
period to see, because you're
[56:29]
right, none of us work well,
[56:31]
none. Most of us weren't here.
[56:34]
And so, I mean, if it does get
[56:37]
approved with additional
[56:39]
changes, can we at least try
[56:41]
it? But throw in there that
[56:42]
we'll revisit it in 3 or 6
[56:44]
months and then we'll be able
[56:45]
to adjust again. I don't know.
[56:46]
I guess that's all.
[56:52]
Again, this is on for first
[56:54]
reading. So you know, I would
[56:57]
suggest you all get get
[56:59]
together and come up. You know,
[57:00]
we have to make an amendment.
[57:04]
In two weeks to do it. It's up
[57:08]
to you guys. Okay. Mr. link,
[57:15]
next one's yours, brother.
[57:17]
All right. Thank you, mayor.
[57:18]
All right, so the multifamily
[57:20]
housing study, a little bit of
[57:22]
an update on that. I know we,
[57:23]
uh, there's been some travel
[57:25]
with other council members
[57:26]
myself. Um, last meeting, uh,
[57:29]
but wanted to revisit it.
[57:30]
Despite the moratorium bill not
[57:32]
passing, as I think the studies
[57:34]
were still a central element of
[57:35]
it in the way that they can
[57:37]
either better inform us or help
[57:39]
us with making legislative
[57:42]
changes to our code. Um, so a
[57:44]
quick update on that. Like I
[57:45]
said, we met with staff last
[57:46]
week. Uh, they provided us some
[57:48]
input and also assembled, uh,
[57:51]
granite was very first rough
[57:53]
cut of the scope of effort. If
[57:55]
we were to literally do every
[57:57]
single study in the 22 page
[57:59]
document that I know you've all
[58:01]
diligently read over the last
[58:03]
month, wonderful reading
[58:05]
material. Yeah. So in either
[58:07]
case, once again, it was a very
[58:09]
rough cut. Uh, nonetheless, we
[58:11]
reviewed that for about an
[58:13]
hour. And I think what we
[58:15]
determined out of that was the
[58:16]
best course of action forward
[58:19]
was to create a working group.
[58:21]
And what council member Boyer
[58:24]
and myself had proposed was to
[58:27]
create a working group of five
[58:29]
members, one from each ward.
[58:31]
And the role of this working
[58:33]
group would basically be to
[58:35]
look at the 22 pages of
[58:37]
studies, prioritize which ones
[58:40]
we think are going to, you
[58:41]
know, be the most impactful for
[58:43]
either information we need or
[58:45]
missing. Also, balancing that
[58:47]
with cost. And then also
[58:49]
prioritizing time wise. You
[58:52]
know, what we don't want to do
[58:53]
is wait, you know, 12 to 18
[58:55]
months and then have this
[58:57]
massive chunk of information
[58:59]
come out at the end. We thought
[59:00]
it would be better to kind of
[59:02]
release the information and
[59:04]
studies as we go. And once
[59:06]
again prioritize those based on
[59:08]
interest. Um, kind of. Before I
[59:11]
get to the summary here, I'm
[59:12]
going to, uh, Councilman Boyer,
[59:15]
I don't know if there's
[59:15]
anything you wanted to add to
[59:16]
that that I missed, but, um, I
[59:18]
will have one thing to go back
[59:19]
to when you're done.
[59:20]
I know you've you've done a
[59:21]
fabulous job of covering what
[59:22]
we did. Um, it was a big price
[59:25]
tag that we saw. There's a lot
[59:27]
of data that we wanted, and,
[59:29]
um. Yeah, I think collectively,
[59:31]
we can then figure out what makes sense for us and
[59:33]
what what do we need? The
[59:35]
city's got a lot of
[59:35]
information, but there's also
[59:37]
stuff that we have to purchase
[59:38]
and get out there. So we need
[59:40]
to make sure we make the right
[59:41]
smart decisions. So thank you.
[59:44]
And so I guess to
[59:47]
mechanize that and we can
[59:48]
certainly talk about this with
[59:50]
the time, but what I like to do
[59:52]
either after we talk or have
[59:53]
some back and forth, is to
[59:55]
conduct a roll call vote, in
[59:57]
which either we would approve,
[1:00:01]
uh, us to create this working
[1:00:03]
group because we basically need
[1:00:06]
the council's consensus as we'd
[1:00:07]
be directing
[1:00:08]
Staff to these studies. We
[1:00:09]
cannot do that individually, so
[1:00:11]
it needs the consensus of the
[1:00:13]
council to do that. Um, and so
[1:00:16]
I'd like to open up for
[1:00:17]
discussion before we conduct
[1:00:18]
that vote.
[1:00:18]
And just as a reminder, if this
[1:00:21]
does pass for the five, you
[1:00:23]
know, passes, the council, the
[1:00:26]
five working group, if you're
[1:00:28]
not on that working group, you
[1:00:30]
cannot show up. All right. So,
[1:00:33]
Mr. Koskela of Mr. Link's on
[1:00:35]
it. You cannot show up at that
[1:00:37]
meeting because that would make
[1:00:38]
a quorum. So just let everybody
[1:00:42]
know.
[1:00:44]
If if I may complicate life a
[1:00:47]
little further. because that's
[1:00:49]
what I do. If you establish.
[1:00:53]
A working group, whatever you
[1:00:55]
want to call it, that body is
[1:00:56]
subject to the sunshine line.
[1:00:58]
It is a public, governmental
[1:00:59]
body within the meaning of the
[1:01:01]
Sunshine Law. That means those
[1:01:02]
meetings must be posted open to
[1:01:05]
the public, and follow all the
[1:01:07]
sunshine Law requirements for
[1:01:09]
notice. Tentative agenda and
[1:01:12]
access to to the meetings. If
[1:01:15]
then members of the Council
[1:01:18]
show up and magnify that body
[1:01:23]
into a quorum of the Council,
[1:01:25]
there is a risk that you will
[1:01:27]
violate the Sunshine Law, as
[1:01:28]
the mayor said, because you
[1:01:30]
will create a meeting of the
[1:01:31]
council. If there is a quorum
[1:01:33]
of the Council president
[1:01:34]
discussing council business.
[1:01:36]
So, first of all, creating this
[1:01:38]
as a subgroup does not exempt
[1:01:41]
it from the Sunshine Law. The
[1:01:42]
Sunshine Law still applies. So
[1:01:45]
all of the requirements for
[1:01:46]
notice and access and agendas
[1:01:48]
will still be applicable.
[1:01:51]
But.
[1:01:53]
When.
[1:01:55]
Did we come up with a cost to
[1:01:57]
the city of what the study is
[1:01:58]
going to cost?
[1:01:59]
So if you did every single one,
[1:02:01]
the very rough cut was $1
[1:02:03]
million. The vast majority of
[1:02:05]
those being traffic studies.
[1:02:07]
There were ones as low as a
[1:02:09]
thousand, but once again they
[1:02:10]
were very rough cut numbers and
[1:02:13]
it was a line item list of, I'm
[1:02:15]
going to say over 100 items. So.
[1:02:19]
what's our cost anticipated
[1:02:21]
to be with it being scaled
[1:02:22]
down?
[1:02:23]
Well, that's for the working
[1:02:24]
group to decide in terms of
[1:02:25]
what studies we want to pursue.
[1:02:27]
But once we start the the bill
[1:02:29]
starts accruing, right.
[1:02:31]
Well, whatever data we need it
[1:02:33]
would do that. If there's a
[1:02:35]
certain study that we want
[1:02:37]
done. Right. So some studies we
[1:02:39]
actually have the data for,
[1:02:40]
it's probably very minimal.
[1:02:41]
It's just staff time to pull
[1:02:43]
it. Others you know, we either
[1:02:45]
need to reach out to other
[1:02:47]
organizations, which could just
[1:02:49]
be a fire department. Right.
[1:02:51]
Others we might need a higher
[1:02:52]
professional help for, um, they
[1:02:54]
staff did a really nice job of
[1:02:55]
breaking it down into like four
[1:02:57]
categories of we've got it,
[1:02:59]
partner organization
[1:03:01]
professionals or what the heck
[1:03:03]
are you asking for, Doug? We
[1:03:04]
can't get that information.
[1:03:08]
And the reason I bring it up,
[1:03:09]
I'm not opposed to doing the
[1:03:10]
study, but I don't think the
[1:03:11]
city should incur $1 million
[1:03:13]
cost on this study either.
[1:03:14]
Well, right. And let me
[1:03:15]
completely rewind the million
[1:03:17]
dollar number. I do not intend
[1:03:18]
on us going down and spending
[1:03:21]
$1 million. That is just it. As
[1:03:24]
if you're going to do every
[1:03:25]
single one as listed on there.
[1:03:29]
Yeah, that's the once we saw
[1:03:31]
the price tag, we're like, all
[1:03:32]
right, we need to rethink and
[1:03:33]
retool how we're going to
[1:03:34]
attack this. So that's where
[1:03:36]
the working group came in. So
[1:03:38]
we can then direct what makes
[1:03:39]
sense and what's what's pie in
[1:03:42]
the sky and not needed.
[1:03:46]
Mr. Snowden thank you, mayor. I
[1:03:48]
think it's important to note
[1:03:49]
that any funds expended would
[1:03:53]
not be budgeted. And so it
[1:03:55]
would have to come back to the
[1:03:56]
council for approval to
[1:03:58]
actually expend the funds.
[1:03:59]
So I if I can put words in your
[1:04:01]
mouth, Mr. Link, the working
[1:04:02]
group would be deciding which
[1:04:05]
studies need to be done. We
[1:04:07]
would then compile how much we
[1:04:09]
think that might cost, whether
[1:04:11]
there needs to be an RFP
[1:04:12]
process that would then come
[1:04:13]
back to the council because the
[1:04:14]
funds are budgeted.
[1:04:16]
Thank you, Mr. Snow. And that
[1:04:17]
would come back as a just a
[1:04:18]
line item resolution to
[1:04:20]
authorize that spending. If
[1:04:23]
it's not in the budget,
[1:04:24]
correct. If the budget next
[1:04:26]
year accounted for some of
[1:04:28]
these studies, we would not
[1:04:29]
need to do that.
[1:04:31]
If the funds are budgeted, we
[1:04:33]
would not need to come back to
[1:04:34]
the council to spend the funds.
[1:04:35]
It's unadjusted. We would.
[1:04:37]
All right. Thank you.
[1:04:39]
Mr. Palmer.
[1:04:41]
Um, as I mentioned in my nine
[1:04:44]
page, thank you for reading
[1:04:46]
letter, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I guess
[1:04:48]
one of the things I want to
[1:04:49]
make sure whether or not I'm on
[1:04:50]
the group or not, one of the
[1:04:52]
things I want to make sure is
[1:04:53]
that before we commence any
[1:04:55]
studies, we talk through the
[1:04:56]
potential outcomes of those
[1:04:57]
studies and what actions we
[1:04:59]
would take, because I would
[1:05:00]
hate to get to an outcome that
[1:05:01]
we can't do anything about. And
[1:05:03]
then the other one is, I sure
[1:05:05]
hope that if we approve these
[1:05:07]
studies, that those actions we
[1:05:09]
take, we say would be
[1:05:10]
appropriate, that we actually
[1:05:11]
do them. And I'm going to throw
[1:05:12]
an extreme hypothetical. If a
[1:05:14]
study says we have insufficient
[1:05:16]
housing, and the answer is to
[1:05:18]
go build more apartments then
[1:05:20]
and I'm throwing that out
[1:05:21]
intentionally, right. Not to be
[1:05:23]
provocative, but the point is, I feel like if we if we take
[1:05:27]
these on, we should be somewhat
[1:05:29]
committed to the outcomes and
[1:05:31]
the actions that we take that
[1:05:32]
were commensurate with those
[1:05:33]
studies. If we have a
[1:05:34]
predetermined answer that there
[1:05:36]
are some things we are not
[1:05:36]
going to do, then we should not
[1:05:38]
start the studies because we if
[1:05:40]
we're not going to live with
[1:05:41]
the answers, then we shouldn't
[1:05:43]
ask the questions, if that
[1:05:44]
makes sense.
[1:05:45]
Yeah. Absolutely. Understood.
[1:05:46]
And you know, the one thing
[1:05:47]
though I will say to that is if
[1:05:49]
we just do a housing supply
[1:05:51]
study, it's probably not the
[1:05:52]
whole picture. It's one piece
[1:05:53]
of it, right. There may be a,
[1:05:55]
you know, demand for housing.
[1:05:57]
The question is, can
[1:05:58]
infrastructure, roads and
[1:06:00]
things support that? And if
[1:06:01]
not, what are the projects we
[1:06:03]
can do to put those in place
[1:06:04]
before we would start those
[1:06:05]
developments? So, um, you know,
[1:06:07]
just because we have one
[1:06:08]
answer, we may not have an
[1:06:10]
entire, let's say, because we
[1:06:12]
have some information that
[1:06:14]
answers one question. It's not
[1:06:15]
enough to inform an action.
[1:06:17]
And that and that's part of why
[1:06:18]
that's part of my why I'm
[1:06:20]
requesting it is in that same
[1:06:21]
case, if you have like this
[1:06:22]
network of studies that they
[1:06:25]
are codependent upon each other
[1:06:26]
and any individual that you
[1:06:27]
know doesn't wouldn't drive
[1:06:29]
action, then we want to make
[1:06:30]
sure that any that are
[1:06:31]
codependent would occur,
[1:06:32]
because if there are three that
[1:06:33]
are codependent, we only do
[1:06:34]
two. Then we did nothing in the
[1:06:36]
end. So that would be something
[1:06:37]
else we would want to watch
[1:06:38]
for. I think it's a good point.
[1:06:39]
Yep. Completely agree.
[1:06:42]
Anybody else?
[1:06:45]
All right.
[1:06:46]
Go ahead. I was just going to
[1:06:47]
say I read through it three
[1:06:48]
times, mostly because I fell
[1:06:49]
asleep the first two times. Um,
[1:06:52]
but like I have significant
[1:06:54]
questions on the ability to get
[1:06:55]
the data and to answer some of
[1:06:56]
the questions and even the
[1:06:58]
modeling. I just like the
[1:07:00]
engineer side of me, kicked in
[1:07:01]
and just tilted real fast. Um,
[1:07:05]
so I just, I would whether or
[1:07:07]
not I'm on that special group,
[1:07:08]
I would really love to be able
[1:07:10]
to know, uh, kind of the plan
[1:07:13]
on each of the studies, we
[1:07:14]
agree to go forward with, to
[1:07:16]
just make sure that they're
[1:07:16]
possible, et.
[1:07:18]
Absolutely. And I'll let you
[1:07:20]
and Councilwoman Cook rock
[1:07:21]
scissors paper over that
[1:07:23]
however you'd like to decide
[1:07:24]
it. Um, but nonetheless, I
[1:07:26]
think you'd be great on it.
[1:07:29]
Okay. Anybody else? So, Mr.
[1:07:33]
Link, you are wanting a roll
[1:07:36]
call for forming the elected
[1:07:42]
officials? Direct. Have a
[1:07:50]
working group to work with
[1:07:53]
staff on the study..
[1:07:56]
At a high level, yes.
[1:08:01]
Mr. Palmer.
[1:08:03]
Relative to what? My lawyer
[1:08:04]
friend to my left mentioned,
[1:08:06]
I'm not sure I understand
[1:08:07]
everything that that means.
[1:08:08]
Does that mean we have to have,
[1:08:09]
like, a a clerk or something
[1:08:11]
would have to be available? It
[1:08:12]
would have to be televised,
[1:08:14]
have to be recorded. But
[1:08:15]
whatever those are, I just want
[1:08:16]
to make sure that I guess I'm
[1:08:18]
asking Mike that staff can
[1:08:20]
support if this ends up
[1:08:22]
happening, because it is
[1:08:23]
something different. An
[1:08:24]
additional for for staff to be
[1:08:26]
doing, even in the event of the the smaller group..
[1:08:30]
In a word, yes, staff can
[1:08:33]
support this.
[1:08:35]
If that answer. Mike.
[1:08:36]
Amanda., I guess that's the
[1:08:38]
kind of follow up. Um, if this
[1:08:41]
is sunshine and we have to do
[1:08:42]
that already, then does it have
[1:08:44]
to be limited to that one per
[1:08:46]
ward? I mean, that was kind of
[1:08:48]
why you were doing that, right?
[1:08:51]
So originally w n.
[1:08:54]
O'Keefe.
[1:08:55]
They both wanted to be on it.
[1:08:58]
Yes.
[1:08:58]
Sir. She's asking. Go ahead and
[1:09:02]
ask you a question again.
[1:09:03]
Amanda., in this new revelation
[1:09:06]
that, uh, this is subject to
[1:09:09]
sunshine and we have to follow
[1:09:11]
those same rules. Does that
[1:09:13]
mean now we can extend the
[1:09:15]
working group outside of five
[1:09:17]
members, since that seem to be
[1:09:20]
the reason for doing so to
[1:09:23]
begin with?
[1:09:25]
If it doesn't matter, okay.
[1:09:29]
It doesn't matter what?
[1:09:33]
Um.
[1:09:35]
Whether it's a committee, a
[1:09:37]
working group, whatever you
[1:09:39]
want to call it, if it's a
[1:09:40]
subunit of the city council
[1:09:42]
created for a given purpose,
[1:09:44]
it's a body in and of itself,
[1:09:46]
subject to the Sunshine Law. If
[1:09:48]
you want to make it ten people,
[1:09:49]
you want to make it seven
[1:09:50]
people you want to make two
[1:09:52]
people. It's a body subject to
[1:09:54]
the sunshine line I so it
[1:09:55]
doesn't matter how many are put
[1:09:57]
on it.
[1:09:57]
I think I'm going to rephrase
[1:09:59]
what Councilwoman Taylor is
[1:10:00]
asking, or at least the
[1:10:01]
question that got prompted to
[1:10:02]
me. If there's seven, if we
[1:10:05]
decide, hey, go to seven, does
[1:10:06]
that change anything that this
[1:10:08]
group would do, whether it's 5
[1:10:12]
or 7?
[1:10:14]
Or.
[1:10:14]
Four.
[1:10:15]
Change anything legally? Is
[1:10:17]
that your question to me?
[1:10:19]
Does it does it matter? Like
[1:10:22]
there for some reason, five was
[1:10:23]
picked because you kind of, um,
[1:10:27]
you lessen a quorum and if all
[1:10:29]
the same rules apply, etc. and
[1:10:31]
I'm, I don't want him to
[1:10:33]
believe we're trying to skirt
[1:10:34]
or hide anything, right? Like
[1:10:35]
nobody's afraid of sunshine
[1:10:36]
laws. But but if it goes to
[1:10:38]
like 7 or 8 that want to
[1:10:40]
participate, like, would it, function differently
[1:10:44]
if there were 5 or 8? That's
[1:10:45]
what I, I don't I don't know
[1:10:46]
and I don't understand. Or are
[1:10:51]
you saying above five is the
[1:10:52]
same as the whole and the whole
[1:10:56]
council? And it would need to
[1:10:57]
be this forum anyways.
[1:11:05]
Well, and and to me, I really
[1:11:09]
don't want ten people on this
[1:11:11]
committee. I don't want seven.
[1:11:12]
To me I think one person per
[1:11:15]
ward, because you're going to
[1:11:18]
get you get eight people on
[1:11:21]
this, this working group. And
[1:11:23]
what you're going to get is
[1:11:26]
nothing done. I that's just my
[1:11:28]
feeling. I don't think you will
[1:11:30]
get anything done, but you have
[1:11:34]
eight people on there. To me
[1:11:36]
you have one person per ward
[1:11:38]
that's representing that ward.
[1:11:41]
So if it's Miss Cook on it, she
[1:11:43]
can relay it to Mr. Palmer.
[1:11:46]
Same way with wards one, two,
[1:11:48]
three and four and five. I
[1:11:52]
that's my my thought. And what
[1:11:55]
Mr. O'Keefe said is I'm the one
[1:11:57]
who's going to have to appoint
[1:11:59]
because it's in our charter
[1:12:01]
that I appoint to boards and
[1:12:02]
commissions and committees, and all that stuff.
[1:12:07]
So. So go ahead.
[1:12:11]
So I agree with you. I, I like
[1:12:14]
more of the agility you get
[1:12:15]
with five. The accountability
[1:12:18]
is more concentrated. Uh, you
[1:12:20]
know, I've tried to go to
[1:12:22]
dinner with eight people. It's
[1:12:23]
impossible to get everybody to
[1:12:24]
come together. So I completely
[1:12:26]
agree. And, you know, if we're
[1:12:28]
in that five range, the one per
[1:12:29]
ward, I think is the cleanest
[1:12:31]
way. So I think, uh, Councilman
[1:12:33]
Boyer, I know you're within
[1:12:35]
those discussions. Um, as long
[1:12:37]
as you have a consensus on
[1:12:39]
five, I would like to suggest
[1:12:41]
keeping it there.
[1:12:42]
That's. I felt the same. And
[1:12:44]
more people in the less we're
[1:12:45]
going to get done.
[1:12:48]
Okay. Mr. Wilcox.
[1:12:50]
So this is related. I sent an
[1:12:52]
email, um, last week, earlier
[1:12:54]
this week about planning and
[1:12:55]
zoning, and especially for the
[1:12:56]
new council members, how we
[1:12:58]
would like to learn a little
[1:12:59]
more about that. I've talked to
[1:13:00]
a few of you guys, and this
[1:13:02]
ties into the apartment thing
[1:13:03]
in my the kind of where it
[1:13:05]
started. I want to know, like
[1:13:07]
how properties are zoned
[1:13:09]
originally and then how they
[1:13:11]
potentially can be changed to a
[1:13:13]
different zoning code. I think
[1:13:15]
this is a good workshop item.
[1:13:16]
Maybe prior to this. Mr. Link,
[1:13:19]
if you don't mind, because I
[1:13:20]
think it ties in very closely
[1:13:22]
to what you're trying to
[1:13:23]
accomplish.
[1:13:25]
Sir. I mean, I don't mind if we
[1:13:27]
throw it on the workshop, but I
[1:13:29]
still think we'll move to get
[1:13:32]
this committee organized. I
[1:13:33]
imagine it'll take a couple of
[1:13:34]
weeks, but.
[1:13:37]
, Amanda.
[1:13:38]
I was just going to say
[1:13:40]
something just hit me for his
[1:13:41]
plan and zoning question. Isn't
[1:13:43]
there a workshop or a class
[1:13:47]
that you send? I don't know,
[1:13:49]
Mr. Woods. Uh, David, for
[1:13:51]
planning and zoning. There's
[1:13:52]
even a class that people that
[1:13:54]
are new on the planning and
[1:13:56]
zoning can take that possibly.
[1:13:58]
I mean, I would be interested
[1:13:59]
in doing it, too, you know.
[1:14:01]
Yeah, that just got noted that,
[1:14:03]
um, sole has a has a
[1:14:04]
certificate program for that. I
[1:14:06]
did send that out to the
[1:14:07]
commission. Uh, maybe just
[1:14:09]
Tracy did last week or so. I
[1:14:11]
think we had some, some
[1:14:12]
interest. And I know, uh, Mr.
[1:14:16]
Wexler, did you go a couple
[1:14:17]
years ago?
[1:14:18]
I did, yeah, yeah, my first
[1:14:19]
year on or second year on
[1:14:21]
planning and zoning, I went,
[1:14:22]
yeah, it's super helpful if if
[1:14:25]
council is able to go or some
[1:14:27]
council members are able to go.
[1:14:28]
Yeah. I've highly suggested
[1:14:29]
it's it's very good. Yeah I.
[1:14:35]
All right. Let's get get back
[1:14:36]
on top before we get into other
[1:14:39]
things. So let's get the first
[1:14:42]
portion out of this. Done. So I
[1:14:45]
have a motion by Mr. Link to
[1:14:50]
correct me if I'm wrong here to
[1:14:53]
get a working group to work
[1:14:55]
with staff on the apartment
[1:15:00]
study that Mr. Link provided.
[1:15:02]
Is that good enough? You got
[1:15:07]
that, Katie. Okay. Do I have a
[1:15:10]
second?
[1:15:11]
second.
[1:15:12]
Mr. Bowyer questions? Mr.
[1:15:19]
Koskela.
[1:15:20]
Thank you. Mayor. Uh, I just
[1:15:22]
want to be clear and reiterate, reiterate that
[1:15:26]
before any funds are spent,
[1:15:30]
labor time included, it has to
[1:15:33]
come back to council for full
[1:15:36]
approval. Approval in the
[1:15:37]
normal.
[1:15:38]
Yeah. That that working group
[1:15:40]
cannot say we're going to spend
[1:15:42]
X amount of dollars. It's got
[1:15:44]
to be approved by the whole
[1:15:45]
council.
[1:15:45]
Understood. Thank you.
[1:15:48]
Michael.
[1:15:49]
To be clear, Mr. Costello,
[1:15:51]
you're not referring to staff
[1:15:52]
time as being part of the
[1:15:54]
committee. And assisting.
[1:15:57]
You're referring to any
[1:15:59]
expenditure of funds beyond
[1:16:01]
that.
[1:16:07]
Um. How much of its staff time
[1:16:12]
are we expecting for setting up
[1:16:13]
this committee and starting
[1:16:15]
this before any real work is
[1:16:18]
started? Uh, before we would
[1:16:20]
get to a a vote to approve a
[1:16:23]
budget.
[1:16:24]
I don't to me, I don't think
[1:16:26]
you can answer that question
[1:16:27]
until that working group gets
[1:16:30]
in and goes over that. What
[1:16:32]
staff is already provided and
[1:16:36]
go over all that. So to me, you
[1:16:41]
know, whenever they start this
[1:16:43]
working group, you know, they
[1:16:45]
can come back during the
[1:16:46]
workshop or one of their ward
[1:16:48]
report and say, hey, this is
[1:16:49]
what we've found and keep the
[1:16:53]
rest of the council updated.
[1:16:57]
Okay?
[1:16:57]
Corey.
[1:16:59]
So when we when we went over
[1:17:03]
this moratorium and it did not
[1:17:06]
pass by half the council, that
[1:17:10]
half of the council that did
[1:17:12]
not pass this moratorium made
[1:17:13]
it very clear that we can do
[1:17:15]
these studies without the
[1:17:17]
moratorium. So now we're trying
[1:17:20]
to do the studies, and I just
[1:17:22]
want to make sure that we yes,
[1:17:25]
any expenditures need to come
[1:17:26]
to the council for approval.
[1:17:28]
But I don't think that that
[1:17:29]
needs to include a small amount
[1:17:32]
of staff time, because that is
[1:17:34]
what was asked of us when this
[1:17:36]
moratorium failed was we do the
[1:17:38]
study without it. We're trying
[1:17:39]
to let's not put more
[1:17:41]
limitations on it. This is a
[1:17:42]
little bit of a compromise
[1:17:43]
here. Okay.
[1:17:44]
Anybody else? Roll call.
[1:17:49]
Councilmember Palmer.
[1:17:51]
Yes.
[1:17:53]
Councilmember Taylor.
[1:17:54]
Yes.
[1:17:55]
Council member. Cook.
[1:17:57]
Yes.
[1:17:58]
Council member. Yates.
[1:18:00]
Yes.
[1:18:00]
Council member. Spencer. Yes.
[1:18:03]
Council member. Koskela.
[1:18:06]
Yes.
[1:18:07]
Council member. Link.
[1:18:08]
Yes.
[1:18:09]
Council member. Wilcox.
[1:18:10]
Yes.
[1:18:11]
Council member. Boyer.
[1:18:13]
Yes.
[1:18:14]
Council member. Wexler.
[1:18:15]
Yes.
[1:18:16]
All right. There's ten. So what
[1:18:22]
I need from Mr. Link and Mr.
[1:18:25]
Boyer by next. On the agenda.
[1:18:31]
Come out for the next meeting..
[1:18:34]
A week from.
[1:18:35]
One day a week from Monday. I
[1:18:38]
would like to have it probably
[1:18:40]
by next week. Of what, five?
[1:18:46]
Councilman is going to sit on
[1:18:47]
this working group. So we put
[1:18:49]
on the agenda to appoint the
[1:18:56]
five whatever five it is to
[1:18:58]
this working group.
[1:19:00]
You got it.
[1:19:02]
For your All's approval. Okay.
[1:19:08]
Anything else? Any other items?
[1:19:20]
Seeing none, I got a motion to
[1:19:23]
go to closed session 610 0211.
[1:19:26]
Legal action. Cause of action
[1:19:27]
litigation, but involving
[1:19:29]
public, governmental body and
[1:19:31]
any confidential, privileged
[1:19:32]
communication between the
[1:19:33]
public, governmental body or
[1:19:35]
its representative, its
[1:19:36]
attorneys. 610 0212 lease,
[1:19:39]
purchasing or sale of real
[1:19:41]
estate and. 610 02112 sealed
[1:19:45]
bids. Related documents. Until
[1:19:47]
the bids are open and sealed,
[1:19:48]
proposals and related documents
[1:19:49]
or any documents related to the
[1:19:51]
negotiated contract until the
[1:19:53]
contract is executed or all
[1:19:55]
proposals are rejected.
[1:19:58]
So move to.
[1:20:00]
Costco.
[1:20:02]
Councilman Wexler, seconded by
[1:20:04]
Councilman Koskela roll call.
[1:20:06]
Katie.
[1:20:06]
Council member Spencer.
[1:20:08]
Yes.
[1:20:09]
Council member. Wilcox.
[1:20:11]
Yes.
[1:20:12]
Council member. Cook.
[1:20:13]
Yes.
[1:20:14]
Council member. Koskela.
[1:20:15]
Yes.
[1:20:16]
Council member. Taylor. Yes.
[1:20:18]
Council member. Boyer.
[1:20:20]
Yes.
[1:20:21]
Council member. Palmer.
[1:20:22]
Yes.
[1:20:23]
Council member. Wexler.
[1:20:24]
Yes.
[1:20:26]
Council Member Link.
[1:20:27]
Yes.
[1:20:27]
Council member. Yates.
[1:20:29]
Yes. All right. We'll be in the
[1:20:30]
community room at 655.
[1:21:25]
Call to order the September
[1:21:27]
10th, 2026 O'Fallon City
[1:21:29]
Council meeting to order roll
[1:21:31]
call. Bess. Mayor. Hennessey
[1:21:32]
present.
[1:21:33]
Council member. Wexler present.
[1:21:34]
Council member. Wilcox.
[1:21:36]
Present. Council member. Boyer.
[1:21:37]
Present.
[1:21:38]
Council member. Yates.
[1:21:39]
Present.
[1:21:40]
Council member. Casella.
[1:21:41]
Present. Council member. Lynch.
[1:21:43]
Present. Council member.
[1:21:44]
Spencer present. Council
[1:21:45]
member. Taylor. Present.
[1:21:47]
Council member. Cooke. Present.
[1:21:48]
Council member.
[1:21:49]
Palmer present. Please stand if
[1:21:53]
able. Invitation by police
[1:21:55]
chaplain Brandon Easterling,
[1:21:57]
followed by Pledge of
[1:21:58]
Allegiance led by Council
[1:21:59]
member Spencer.
[1:22:01]
Would you pray with me? Our
[1:22:03]
Heavenly Father, we thank you
[1:22:04]
for this night. We thank you
[1:22:05]
for the chance to gather and do
[1:22:07]
various matters related to our
[1:22:09]
city, and just thankful for the
[1:22:10]
leadership we have represented
[1:22:12]
in this room. We just ask that
[1:22:13]
you bless them, keep them, and
[1:22:15]
give us wisdom and discernment
[1:22:16]
tonight as we make decisions.
[1:22:18]
In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
[1:22:24]
Pledge allegiance to the flag
[1:22:26]
of the United States of America
[1:22:28]
and to the Republic for which
[1:22:30]
it stands. One nation under
[1:22:32]
God, indivisible, with liberty
[1:22:35]
and justice for all. All right,
[1:22:44]
folks, you have an agenda in
[1:22:45]
front of what's a pleasure?
[1:22:47]
Motion to approve. Costello
[1:22:49]
second, Wexler.
[1:22:50]
Moves by Councilman Costello.
[1:22:51]
Second by Councilman Wexler.
[1:22:53]
Questions or comments? All in
[1:22:55]
favor? All right. Any opposed?
[1:22:57]
Motion passes. Uh, just a
[1:22:59]
couple things on the presiding
[1:23:01]
officers report. Uh, folks, I
[1:23:03]
believe we have a video back
[1:23:05]
there. So if you want to go
[1:23:06]
ahead and play it.
[1:23:26]
For my generation, those of us
[1:23:28]
in high school and college, we
[1:23:30]
don't know. A world before nine
[1:23:31]
over 11, but we can definitely
[1:23:33]
understand the impact it has
[1:23:34]
had on our nation.
[1:23:35]
Can't overlook that. The men
[1:23:37]
and women who ran towards that
[1:23:39]
danger, and we know someday we
[1:23:40]
might be put in that position
[1:23:41]
where we have to do it, and to
[1:23:43]
actually watch them on live TV.
[1:23:44]
Doing it just it gives you a
[1:23:46]
sense of, you know, brotherhood
[1:23:48]
and sisterhood and you want to
[1:23:50]
be there with them, but you
[1:23:51]
can't. It's important that we.
[1:23:53]
Do what, what O'Fallon does.
[1:23:55]
And that is on those days we
[1:23:58]
have ceremonies. We invite
[1:23:59]
people to come together and
[1:24:02]
fellowship to to remember and
[1:24:04]
to hopefully never forget.
[1:24:06]
Put us, you know, hand in hand
[1:24:07]
with our neighbor, you know, arm around shoulders
[1:24:11]
and, um, so from that
[1:24:14]
perspective, it's just hugely
[1:24:15]
important, especially at this
[1:24:17]
time.
[1:24:17]
It's great that they can still
[1:24:19]
come together and remember
[1:24:23]
those sacrifices. Um, both from
[1:24:26]
that first responder
[1:24:27]
standpoint, but also the
[1:24:30]
military.
[1:24:30]
It puts a tangibility to the
[1:24:33]
event that you can't get off of
[1:24:36]
the page of a textbook.
[1:24:37]
You can't get it in a textbook.
[1:24:38]
To me, I.
[1:24:39]
What moves me the most about
[1:24:41]
the nine over 11 ceremony is
[1:24:43]
listening to those, the Chiefs
[1:24:45]
and everybody else. Recap of
[1:24:47]
what happened locally and
[1:24:49]
everything else.
[1:24:50]
And that's really what hits
[1:24:52]
home for people.
[1:24:53]
Come out to the Justice Center
[1:24:55]
on nine over 11. You'll get to
[1:24:56]
hear all the great stories.
[1:24:59]
You know, I think the young
[1:25:01]
people that come here are moved
[1:25:03]
by it, and hopefully they learn
[1:25:05]
something from it. Anytime that
[1:25:07]
you can make it, make a
[1:25:09]
connection with a kid, that's
[1:25:11]
when they learned. And so we're always in the business of
[1:25:15]
education, trying to help kids
[1:25:17]
find connections to what we're
[1:25:19]
trying to teach them. And when
[1:25:21]
we when kids come out to a
[1:25:23]
remembrance ceremony, that's
[1:25:25]
when they make the connection.
[1:25:26]
Listen to what somebody is
[1:25:29]
telling you about what they
[1:25:31]
felt and what they experienced.
[1:25:33]
And then for a minute, put
[1:25:35]
yourself in their shoes and you
[1:25:38]
will understand why we need to
[1:25:43]
protect this country.
[1:25:45]
We can't heal, but we can't
[1:25:48]
ever forget. I think it's so
[1:25:51]
important we keep saying that.
[1:25:53]
Over and over.
[1:25:55]
Join us for Oberlin's annual
[1:25:57]
Patriot Day ceremony and 9/11
[1:25:59]
Remembrance Walk on Friday,
[1:26:02]
September 11th at the O'Fallon
[1:26:03]
Justice Center. The Patriot Day
[1:26:05]
ceremony will take place from
[1:26:08]
830 to 9 a.m., honoring the
[1:26:10]
lives lost and the heroes who
[1:26:12]
responded with courage.
[1:26:13]
Immediately following the
[1:26:14]
ceremony, a remembrance Walk
[1:26:16]
will begin at 9 a.m., offering
[1:26:18]
a reflective journey that pays
[1:26:19]
tribute to the sacrifices made,
[1:26:21]
honors those who continue to
[1:26:23]
inspire us, and ends in a
[1:26:25]
moving display of patriotism.
[1:26:37]
Great jobs by our
[1:26:38]
communications department. And
[1:26:40]
just as a reminder, didn't
[1:26:42]
catch it. Uh, the nine over 11
[1:26:45]
ceremony will be tomorrow
[1:26:46]
morning at 830 at the Justice
[1:26:49]
Center. Uh, followed by the one
[1:26:51]
mile walk. And we will hear
[1:26:54]
from a police officer. We'll
[1:26:57]
hear from a retired fire chief,
[1:27:00]
and we will hear from, uh, a a
[1:27:04]
senior in high school. How it
[1:27:08]
affects their generation. So,
[1:27:12]
uh, there's a few other things
[1:27:14]
that be there. So if you can
[1:27:17]
make it to the Justice Center
[1:27:19]
tomorrow morning at 830, uh,
[1:27:21]
we'd love to have you out there.
[1:27:24]
So that brings us to citizens
[1:27:26]
comments, Mr. Danoff.
[1:27:39]
Thank you very much. Members of
[1:27:41]
council, first of all, is a
[1:27:43]
reconsideration of Bill 7879.
[1:27:46]
Elected officials need to have
[1:27:48]
a backbone. A backbone is
[1:27:50]
needed when you're elected to
[1:27:51]
public office. Was this
[1:27:53]
reconsideration forced or
[1:27:55]
mandated by Mayor Hennessy for
[1:27:57]
his developer buddy? There need
[1:27:59]
to be protections and
[1:28:00]
guarantees for all senior
[1:28:02]
citizens. Assurances to the
[1:28:04]
community about maintenance,
[1:28:06]
elevators, air conditioning,
[1:28:08]
barriers not sold for
[1:28:10]
apartments or HUD. Section
[1:28:11]
eight. In 15 years, when we
[1:28:13]
don't need senior housing
[1:28:14]
because of the population
[1:28:16]
decrease, we need to get this
[1:28:18]
project right for the
[1:28:19]
neighborhood. I ask that you
[1:28:21]
send this bill back to the
[1:28:22]
Planning and Zoning Commission.
[1:28:24]
I will be opposing all
[1:28:25]
applications for any state tax
[1:28:26]
credits, any funding from the
[1:28:28]
state, or reduce interest
[1:28:30]
rates. Bill 7989 resident
[1:28:33]
testimony on Public Citizen
[1:28:35]
comments. Let's get her done
[1:28:37]
and fully restored. Speaking on
[1:28:38]
any issue or topic and a five
[1:28:40]
minute time limit. If not,
[1:28:42]
there will be a city initiative.
[1:28:44]
Petition the place a question
[1:28:46]
and rules under the city
[1:28:47]
election ballot. Let's be
[1:28:49]
honest and truthful to the
[1:28:50]
public and tell the public why
[1:28:52]
you change public comments. The
[1:28:55]
former council did an attempt
[1:28:57]
in a spiteful, mean and hateful
[1:28:59]
attempt to silence and shut me
[1:29:01]
up personally. It was over a
[1:29:03]
terrible police chief that I
[1:29:05]
sent packing back to Texas. It
[1:29:07]
has not worked and will never
[1:29:09]
work. The city council can
[1:29:11]
never act like a private
[1:29:12]
country club folk. And that's
[1:29:14]
the exact comment. Mr.
[1:29:15]
Hennessey, I speak the truth
[1:29:17]
with real facts and
[1:29:18]
information. Your current rules
[1:29:20]
and city ordinance is
[1:29:22]
unconstitutional and invalid. I
[1:29:24]
just been too lazy to take it
[1:29:25]
to a circuit court judge and
[1:29:27]
get it invalidated. Bill 7890
[1:29:30]
reading through two readings is
[1:29:32]
in direct violation of our home
[1:29:33]
rule City charter. By mandating
[1:29:35]
time for citizens response,
[1:29:37]
comment and testimony. This is
[1:29:39]
for a developer from Cape
[1:29:40]
Girardeau who is worth over
[1:29:43]
$150 million in assets, and at
[1:29:47]
stake is over $100 million in
[1:29:48]
tax credits and corporate
[1:29:50]
welfare giveaways. Resolution A
[1:29:52]
is $13,900 times four for
[1:29:56]
$55,000. Is it an invasion of
[1:29:59]
citizen privacy? Return on
[1:30:00]
investment, or really getting
[1:30:02]
our use out of this software?
[1:30:04]
Resolution B Daines Park
[1:30:06]
Playground Equipment
[1:30:07]
Replacement $200,000 I thought
[1:30:10]
we just recently replaced this
[1:30:12]
equipment. Resolution C at
[1:30:14]
Green Drive. Reconstruction and
[1:30:15]
sidewalks. What are total waste
[1:30:17]
of $1.5 million? Federal,
[1:30:21]
county, city. And it's a pork
[1:30:24]
barrel project. In my opinion.
[1:30:25]
Resolution D you.
[1:30:27]
Have 50s.
[1:30:28]
Sanitary district problems with
[1:30:29]
the bid and contract resolution
[1:30:31]
E honor guard uniform
[1:30:32]
replacement 25,000. How could
[1:30:34]
they be worn out in eight
[1:30:36]
years? Resolution F $23,000 in
[1:30:39]
chiller repairs on a five year
[1:30:41]
old $30 million.
[1:30:42]
Police building off.
[1:30:43]
We need off contractors.
[1:30:44]
Counting off. Your time is up,
[1:30:46]
sir.
[1:30:46]
Thank you.
[1:30:49]
Our next speaker is Patty
[1:30:53]
Riney. I hope I said that
[1:30:56]
correct.
[1:31:02]
Good evening. Thank you. My
[1:31:05]
name is Patty Riney and I am a
[1:31:08]
regional manager for Pioneer
[1:31:10]
Property Management, Inc. I've
[1:31:12]
been working with Phoenix Real
[1:31:13]
Estate for the past 15 years,
[1:31:16]
managing the daily operations
[1:31:19]
of the tech properties that
[1:31:20]
they've developed. I have a
[1:31:22]
firsthand experience with the
[1:31:25]
benefits of these large tech
[1:31:27]
properties, and I am here to
[1:31:30]
advocate for the village at
[1:31:32]
Hillman Farm and ask you to
[1:31:35]
reconsider your decision on
[1:31:37]
this property. Um, I, in my
[1:31:41]
daily work, I see firsthand the
[1:31:44]
strong need for affordable
[1:31:46]
housing and, better options for
[1:31:50]
seniors. And in my line of
[1:31:52]
work, I. I see and hear from
[1:31:56]
our clients on a daily basis on
[1:32:00]
what their struggles are, and
[1:32:02]
affordable housing is at the
[1:32:04]
top of their list. Um, I
[1:32:05]
appreciate the time that you
[1:32:07]
gave me, and I hope that you
[1:32:09]
reconsider.
[1:32:10]
Thank you ma'am. Our next
[1:32:13]
speaker is Dan Bernard Barnard.
[1:32:29]
Thank you. I'm Dan Barnard with
[1:32:31]
Phoenix Real Estate Services.
[1:32:33]
Do I need to get my address,
[1:32:34]
please? Uh, 2800 West Clay
[1:32:37]
Valley Drive, Saint Charles,
[1:32:38]
Missouri, 63301. Okay. Thank
[1:32:42]
you very much for the
[1:32:43]
reconsideration. It's really
[1:32:45]
important. Uh, I want you to
[1:32:47]
know that Phoenix Real Estate
[1:32:49]
Services, as a developer for
[1:32:50]
tax credit properties, has been
[1:32:52]
in business for over 15 years.
[1:32:54]
We've been developing these
[1:32:56]
kind of apartments for low
[1:32:58]
income seniors for that time.
[1:33:01]
Uh, if this is approved,
[1:33:03]
village at Hillman Farms would
[1:33:06]
be our 10th development
[1:33:08]
altogether. And it would be,
[1:33:11]
uh, somewhere in the
[1:33:12]
neighborhood of 600 apartment
[1:33:14]
units, almost all of them for
[1:33:16]
low income seniors. Um, the
[1:33:20]
social media comments that have
[1:33:22]
come from the denial a couple
[1:33:24]
of weeks ago have been, uh,
[1:33:26]
appears to me tremendously in
[1:33:28]
favor of the affordable
[1:33:30]
housing. The few 10 to 15%
[1:33:35]
negative comments, uh, seem to
[1:33:36]
come from folks that don't know
[1:33:38]
very much about the program and
[1:33:41]
the obligations of the
[1:33:43]
developer. Um, and, uh, there's
[1:33:48]
just a lot of interest in this,
[1:33:49]
and there's a tremendous need,
[1:33:52]
um, for this kind of
[1:33:54]
development. Our waiting list
[1:33:57]
at Queen's Brook and Saint
[1:33:58]
Peter's, we have over 200
[1:34:01]
people on our waiting list. And
[1:34:03]
the market study that was done
[1:34:05]
for, uh, village at Hillman
[1:34:07]
Farms shows that all of the
[1:34:10]
O'Fallon, um, developments that
[1:34:12]
have previously been put
[1:34:14]
together, uh, have waiting
[1:34:16]
lists of 2 to 3 years to get
[1:34:19]
into those, those kind of
[1:34:22]
apartments. We looked
[1:34:27]
throughout say we like to build
[1:34:29]
in Saint Charles County. It's a
[1:34:31]
great place, good location.
[1:34:33]
We've got three developments in
[1:34:35]
Saint Charles. We have two in
[1:34:37]
Wentzville. We have two in
[1:34:39]
Saint Peter's. This would be
[1:34:41]
our first in O'Fallon, but
[1:34:42]
Saint Charles County altogether
[1:34:44]
and the municipalities in it
[1:34:46]
are where we'd like to be. Uh,
[1:34:48]
it's a low crime rate. Uh, we
[1:34:50]
work with solid core of
[1:34:53]
subcontractors and suppliers,
[1:34:55]
many of whom are. Most of them
[1:34:57]
are in Saint Charles County.
[1:34:58]
Some are in O'Fallon. We we
[1:35:01]
looked all over the place. This
[1:35:03]
was our best site that we could
[1:35:04]
find. Uh, there are a couple of
[1:35:07]
our three properties in
[1:35:09]
O'Fallon. We looked at those.
[1:35:11]
They're not on the market. They
[1:35:13]
don't meet the needs of our
[1:35:14]
people, our residents and so
[1:35:16]
forth. And, um, that's why we
[1:35:19]
wound up, uh, going to the
[1:35:22]
Mexico Road location.
[1:35:23]
You have 15 seconds.
[1:35:25]
Thank you. The site's been
[1:35:26]
vacant for 20 years. Not likely
[1:35:29]
to be used for any sort of
[1:35:31]
retail. And the traffic impact
[1:35:34]
is for our projects is really
[1:35:37]
low.
[1:35:38]
Okay.
[1:35:38]
Thank you for your time.
[1:35:40]
Sir.
[1:35:41]
All right. Brings this to World
[1:35:43]
Reports, Ward one.
[1:35:47]
I just.
[1:35:48]
Wanted to remind everybody
[1:35:49]
again about the nine over 11
[1:35:50]
ceremony and the walk tomorrow.
[1:35:52]
And then our Rail district
[1:35:53]
festival is this Saturday. So
[1:35:55]
lots of stuff going on in
[1:35:56]
O'Fallon.
[1:35:57]
Thank you.
[1:35:57]
Real district from 12 to 6 at
[1:36:00]
Civic Park. Mr. Wechsler.
[1:36:03]
Thank you. Mayor Scott. You
[1:36:05]
stole what I was going to talk
[1:36:06]
about. So I will talk about the
[1:36:08]
other, uh, big thing happening
[1:36:11]
in Ward one this weekend, which
[1:36:12]
is tacos and tequila on
[1:36:14]
Saturday. Um, it's probably
[1:36:16]
going to be loud. We're
[1:36:18]
probably gonna hear about it
[1:36:19]
if, uh, if you have questions,
[1:36:21]
call Scott or call the police
[1:36:23]
department. There you go.
[1:36:25]
That's what I got.
[1:36:26]
Okay, we're two.
[1:36:30]
Thank you. Mayor. Um, there's
[1:36:33]
also a blood drive coming up
[1:36:35]
this week at the Justice
[1:36:36]
Center, which is, um, later
[1:36:39]
this week. And then Saturday is
[1:36:41]
the. And Debbie, I'm going to
[1:36:42]
beat you to it. The pool.
[1:36:44]
Pause. Dog swim at Civic Park.
[1:36:48]
Uh, and then most importantly,
[1:36:50]
it was my anniversary this
[1:36:51]
week, so I have to give props
[1:36:55]
to my wife on that.
[1:36:58]
Brian.
[1:36:59]
Awesome. Uh, usually we're up
[1:37:01]
here talking about how bad the
[1:37:02]
roads are. This time I get to
[1:37:03]
say how good they are. Uh, Ward
[1:37:05]
two, we got a lot of our slab replacements, and I've
[1:37:09]
received a lot of kudos off of
[1:37:11]
that, so. Yay! This is when the
[1:37:14]
roads get repaired. People are
[1:37:16]
happy, so that's great. Thank
[1:37:17]
you.
[1:37:19]
Ward three.
[1:37:21]
Thank you. Mayor. Well,
[1:37:23]
Councilman Boyer, that's great
[1:37:24]
news because that means our
[1:37:25]
slabs are next year. And so
[1:37:27]
looking forward to that.
[1:37:28]
Praise. Um, I want to share a
[1:37:29]
couple things. So for those of
[1:37:30]
you that don't know, I'm the
[1:37:31]
council liaison to the Historic
[1:37:33]
Preservation Commission. Uh, it
[1:37:35]
feels like it's certainly been
[1:37:36]
history since we last met. Uh,
[1:37:38]
it's typically the first
[1:37:39]
Tuesday of the month. So with
[1:37:41]
the fourth, uh, and the
[1:37:42]
election, it's been a couple of
[1:37:43]
months, so we've had to meet,
[1:37:45]
uh, so in either case, I wanted
[1:37:46]
to share some updates from
[1:37:48]
them. So they'll be at the Rail
[1:37:49]
District Festival. Uh, that was
[1:37:51]
mentioned earlier. They're
[1:37:52]
going to have a table set up
[1:37:54]
with some of the sturdier
[1:37:55]
artifacts from the log cabin
[1:37:57]
there. Um, they're also, uh,
[1:37:59]
they've done a ton of work.
[1:38:00]
They're almost completed with a
[1:38:03]
new brochure that they're going
[1:38:04]
to put out to a lot of the
[1:38:05]
local businesses. I think
[1:38:07]
they're looking to make 18,000
[1:38:09]
copies of it. Uh, so quite a
[1:38:10]
few, uh, but, you know, that'll
[1:38:12]
share with some of our
[1:38:13]
visitors, uh, O'Fallon history
[1:38:15]
and hopefully draw them out to
[1:38:17]
some more of our historical
[1:38:18]
sites. Um, also, we're working
[1:38:20]
on a project that kind of
[1:38:21]
brings some history and
[1:38:22]
technology together. Uh, I
[1:38:24]
guess they have a series of
[1:38:26]
interviews, uh, from residents
[1:38:27]
back at the turn of the, the
[1:38:29]
19th century, uh, that are
[1:38:31]
actually on tape. So we're
[1:38:32]
going to be looking to convert
[1:38:34]
those into digital recordings,
[1:38:36]
uh, and share those on the
[1:38:37]
website. Uh, and then the last
[1:38:39]
thing just from earlier this
[1:38:40]
evening that I'm happy to
[1:38:42]
announce is that, uh, with the
[1:38:43]
work of, uh, Councilman Boyer
[1:38:44]
and myself, uh, we had
[1:38:46]
unanimous council approval to
[1:38:48]
proceed with the creation of a
[1:38:50]
working group that will study
[1:38:51]
the impacts of multifamily
[1:38:53]
housing in the city. So it'll
[1:38:55]
be a five member group, one
[1:38:56]
from each ward, and will work
[1:38:58]
to conduct those studies over
[1:39:00]
the next several months and
[1:39:01]
turn those into actionable
[1:39:02]
outcomes. Thank you. Mayor.
[1:39:04]
Mister Casella.
[1:39:05]
Thank you. Mayor. I have
[1:39:06]
nothing to report. Just to
[1:39:08]
never forget. Thanks.
[1:39:09]
Ward, for..
[1:39:12]
Thank you. Um, so I wanted to
[1:39:14]
talk about because tonight I'm
[1:39:17]
proud to co-sponsor legislation
[1:39:20]
with my ward partner, uh,
[1:39:21]
council member Spencer,
[1:39:23]
expanding citizens comments at
[1:39:26]
our city council meetings,
[1:39:27]
given residents the opportunity
[1:39:29]
to speak about issues beyond
[1:39:31]
what happens to be listed on
[1:39:33]
that night's agenda. And why
[1:39:35]
does this matter to me so much?
[1:39:37]
Well, because we work for you.
[1:39:39]
know, the residents of
[1:39:41]
O'Fallon, you're not a guest at
[1:39:43]
City Hall. You're not an
[1:39:45]
inconvenience. You're our
[1:39:47]
bosses. Your tax dollars fund,
[1:39:49]
this city and those of us
[1:39:51]
sitting behind this dais were
[1:39:53]
elected to represent you. This
[1:39:55]
dais is not a throne in which
[1:39:57]
we rule on. It's a seat of
[1:39:59]
public service. And we should
[1:40:00]
never forget who put us here.
[1:40:02]
So if you have concerns about
[1:40:04]
your neighborhood, roads,
[1:40:06]
public safety, development
[1:40:08]
spending, or the direction of
[1:40:10]
our city, you should have the
[1:40:11]
opportunity to come before your
[1:40:13]
elected representatives and be
[1:40:15]
heard, even when what you have
[1:40:18]
to say may be uncomfortable or
[1:40:20]
something we may not that we
[1:40:22]
may disagree with. You know,
[1:40:24]
both of my grandfathers served
[1:40:26]
for this country and fought to
[1:40:27]
protect the freedoms that we
[1:40:29]
enjoy and our fundamental right
[1:40:30]
for the First Amendment rights.
[1:40:32]
And I take those freedoms
[1:40:34]
seriously. Government should
[1:40:36]
not unnecessarily restrict the
[1:40:38]
voices of our residents inside
[1:40:40]
the city hall that belongs to
[1:40:42]
them. Of course, meetings need
[1:40:44]
reasonable rules and maintain
[1:40:46]
order and ensure everyone has
[1:40:48]
the opportunity to speak, but
[1:40:50]
those rules should facilitate
[1:40:52]
public participation, not
[1:40:54]
become barriers to it. You
[1:40:56]
know, like I said, we work for
[1:40:57]
you, we answer to you, and we
[1:40:59]
should listen to you. And
[1:41:01]
public office is not about
[1:41:03]
power over the people. It's
[1:41:05]
about service to the people.
[1:41:07]
And I'll continue working
[1:41:09]
towards a city hall that
[1:41:10]
remembers that distinction.
[1:41:12]
Thank you.
[1:41:13]
Miss Taylor. I'm
[1:41:15]
sorry, Miss Benson.
[1:41:16]
Again, if you want.
[1:41:18]
I mean, she can go again if you
[1:41:19]
really want her to, uh. I am
[1:41:22]
also proud to be sponsoring a
[1:41:24]
bill that would give citizens
[1:41:26]
the opportunity to comment on
[1:41:27]
city related topics that are
[1:41:29]
not specifically listed on the
[1:41:31]
council agenda. Um, and I
[1:41:33]
believe residents should have a
[1:41:34]
voice in the city that they
[1:41:36]
choose to live in and a chance
[1:41:37]
to bring forward questions,
[1:41:38]
concerns and ideas and not be
[1:41:40]
limited to emails, text
[1:41:41]
messages and phone calls to do
[1:41:42]
so. Um, it's about increasing
[1:41:45]
communication, increasing
[1:41:46]
transparency, and making sure
[1:41:48]
that our residents feel heard.
[1:41:50]
And I look forward to working
[1:41:52]
with my fellow council members
[1:41:53]
to figure out a way to move
[1:41:55]
forward on this, where everyone
[1:41:56]
can be happy. Um, I think the
[1:41:58]
residents are expecting us to
[1:42:00]
do better, and I think it's
[1:42:01]
time we start to do better.
[1:42:03]
Thank you.
[1:42:04]
We're five.
[1:42:07]
Well, everything's been spoken
[1:42:08]
on. But since, um, I was
[1:42:11]
reminded about anniversaries
[1:42:12]
and since my husband just
[1:42:13]
walked in the room. My. Our
[1:42:16]
anniversary is next Saturday,
[1:42:17]
so happy anniversary, dear.
[1:42:19]
Oh, boy.
[1:42:23]
That's what it was.
[1:42:26]
Top that John. Mr. Palmer.
[1:42:29]
Uh, I don't know if we should
[1:42:30]
comment on the her husband's
[1:42:33]
arm injury or not, but anyways,
[1:42:36]
um, again tomorrow, a big day.
[1:42:39]
Uh, I do want to start by
[1:42:41]
expressing sympathy to a family
[1:42:42]
friend of mine, uh, Patty Pike,
[1:42:44]
who recently lost her long
[1:42:46]
fight with cancer. Very
[1:42:47]
humbling reminder of our
[1:42:49]
mortality. And that bad things
[1:42:50]
can happen even to the best of
[1:42:51]
people. And a reminder that
[1:42:53]
there are some things important
[1:42:54]
that are very important in some
[1:42:55]
that are not. So my thoughts
[1:42:57]
and prayers are with her and
[1:42:58]
her family. Also received a
[1:42:59]
very nice email from a resident
[1:43:01]
and on Saint Gemma Drive,
[1:43:02]
complimented the city employees
[1:43:03]
for the work that they were
[1:43:05]
doing. Uh resident expressed
[1:43:06]
gratitude for previous
[1:43:07]
interactions with the city as
[1:43:08]
well. Positive feedback like
[1:43:10]
that's always appreciated. So I
[1:43:12]
want to say thank you to the
[1:43:13]
resident for taking the time to
[1:43:14]
share, and especially thank you
[1:43:15]
to Jay Farragut, Richard
[1:43:16]
Boselli and their teams for
[1:43:17]
being helpful and doing a good
[1:43:18]
job. We don't usually get
[1:43:20]
emails like that. Um, on
[1:43:22]
tonight's agenda, I did request
[1:43:24]
reconsideration of Bill 7879,
[1:43:28]
which failed at our last
[1:43:29]
council meeting. I want to be
[1:43:30]
very clear about why I did
[1:43:33]
that. No one pushed me to do
[1:43:35]
this. No one convinced me,
[1:43:37]
bullied me, or got to me. The
[1:43:39]
mayor does not have magical
[1:43:40]
powers over me. This is 100% me
[1:43:43]
and I took it to some folks to
[1:43:46]
try and get advice on
[1:43:47]
procedurally how to do this and
[1:43:50]
how to get it back. The matter
[1:43:52]
back before the council. Anyone
[1:43:53]
who knows me knows that the
[1:43:54]
pressure and intimidation is
[1:43:56]
really not a good way or an
[1:43:57]
effective way to change my
[1:43:59]
mind. I struggled with my vote
[1:44:01]
on this proposal. As I said in
[1:44:03]
the last meeting, I believe
[1:44:04]
there are legitimate concerns
[1:44:06]
that deserve to be addressed. I
[1:44:08]
believe that we should explore
[1:44:09]
whether additional requirements
[1:44:10]
can be put in place to mitigate
[1:44:11]
some of the problems we
[1:44:12]
experienced in similar
[1:44:13]
facilities elsewhere. At the
[1:44:15]
same time, there's clearly a
[1:44:16]
need, as we heard in the public
[1:44:17]
comments for this facility. For
[1:44:18]
facility like this, they are
[1:44:21]
full. They have very long
[1:44:22]
waiting lists, and I think we
[1:44:24]
have an opportunity to provide
[1:44:25]
to help meet the needs of this
[1:44:27]
demographic and increase the
[1:44:28]
available supply while
[1:44:29]
strengthening protections for
[1:44:31]
the residents who will live
[1:44:32]
there. If the motion to
[1:44:33]
reconsider successful, my
[1:44:35]
intention is to move the table.
[1:44:36]
Bill 7879 and ask city staff to
[1:44:39]
evaluate potential enhancements
[1:44:40]
to our conditional use permit
[1:44:42]
requirements, city code
[1:44:43]
enforcement provisions and
[1:44:44]
penalty options. The goal will
[1:44:46]
be determined whether we can
[1:44:47]
better mitigate these types of
[1:44:49]
issues that have occurred in
[1:44:49]
similar facilities in the area,
[1:44:51]
and potentially set aside any
[1:44:54]
additional traffic concerns.
[1:44:56]
Since last meeting, I received
[1:44:57]
feedback indicating that some
[1:44:58]
of the concerns I raised were
[1:44:59]
shared by others. I'm hopeful
[1:45:01]
that we can work together, find
[1:45:03]
a responsible path forward, and
[1:45:04]
that serves our senior, our
[1:45:05]
senior community while
[1:45:07]
addressing those concerns, I
[1:45:09]
also believe it's important to
[1:45:10]
recognize that the applicant
[1:45:11]
had very little opportunity to
[1:45:12]
respond to the concerns and
[1:45:14]
requests raised at the last
[1:45:15]
meeting, and I and I believe
[1:45:16]
the outcome was a bit of a
[1:45:17]
surprise. After doing original
[1:45:19]
a little bit of research, I
[1:45:20]
discovered why the same
[1:45:23]
property and the substantially
[1:45:24]
the same proposal, except for
[1:45:26]
that the previous proposal was 33% larger with 56
[1:45:31]
units instead of the current 42
[1:45:32]
came before the council less
[1:45:33]
than a year ago, as bills
[1:45:34]
number 7797 on December 18th,
[1:45:38]
2025, Bill 7797 was approved by
[1:45:41]
a vote of 8 to 0. At the time,
[1:45:43]
one council position was vacant
[1:45:45]
and my predecessor was absent
[1:45:47]
because she was ill. Given that
[1:45:48]
history, the applicant
[1:45:49]
reasonably could have expected
[1:45:50]
a similar proposal, now reduced
[1:45:52]
from 56 to 42, would receive
[1:45:54]
serious consideration and
[1:45:55]
approval. They had no reason to
[1:45:56]
believe otherwise. My purpose
[1:45:58]
in asking for reconsideration
[1:45:59]
is not to disregard concerns
[1:46:00]
that were raised. It's the
[1:46:01]
opposite. I want to give us an
[1:46:03]
opportunity to address those
[1:46:04]
concerns thoughtfully, and
[1:46:05]
determine whether safeguards
[1:46:06]
can be added, and then make the
[1:46:07]
decision based on the best
[1:46:08]
possible information. I believe
[1:46:10]
that this is a responsible
[1:46:11]
thing for us to do for the
[1:46:12]
neighborhood, the city, and
[1:46:14]
particularly for seniors who
[1:46:16]
may ultimately depend on
[1:46:17]
facilities like this. So I hope
[1:46:18]
that I can receive your
[1:46:19]
support. Thank you mayor.
[1:46:20]
Thank you, Mr. Link.
[1:46:24]
I'd like to thank Councilwoman
[1:46:28]
Cook for reminding me that I
[1:46:29]
also have an anniversary coming
[1:46:31]
up, and I would probably be
[1:46:33]
toast if I didn't say it. So,
[1:46:34]
uh, happy birthday or. I'm
[1:46:36]
sorry. Happy anniversary to my
[1:46:39]
wife, Abby. Our anniversary is
[1:46:40]
coming up on the 14th.
[1:46:41]
Thank you. There you go. Nice
[1:46:43]
job there, bud. Mr. Snowden, I
[1:46:47]
don't know how to follow that.
[1:46:49]
Perhaps I should apologize.
[1:46:50]
To my wife for anything I may
[1:46:52]
be about to do.
[1:46:53]
I don't know.
[1:46:54]
All right. Thank you. Mayor, I.
[1:46:56]
I'd like to take a moment to
[1:46:58]
acknowledge the contributions
[1:46:59]
of staff members who are
[1:47:00]
reaching milestone
[1:47:01]
anniversaries this month.
[1:47:02]
Police officers Adam, Ashley,
[1:47:04]
Cody Fisher and Brandon
[1:47:05]
Kubrick, along with building
[1:47:07]
Inspector Nicholas Funk,
[1:47:09]
maintenance worker Kyle DeWalt
[1:47:10]
and parks construction worker
[1:47:12]
Andrew Eiler have all been with
[1:47:13]
us for five years. Utility
[1:47:15]
worker two Bill Howard has been
[1:47:17]
a part of team O'Fallon for ten
[1:47:19]
years. And last but certainly
[1:47:21]
not least, park's maintenance
[1:47:22]
supervisor, Brian Kraft has
[1:47:24]
served our city for 15 years,
[1:47:26]
so I'd like to thank all eight
[1:47:27]
of those individuals for being
[1:47:28]
such an integral part of team
[1:47:29]
O'Fallon for all these years.
[1:47:31]
And that's all I have tonight,
[1:47:32]
sir. All right. Brings dull
[1:47:34]
business bring. They'll have a
[1:47:37]
motion to for reconsideration
[1:47:39]
of Bill 7879. Palmer lost by
[1:47:45]
Councilman Palmer. Do I have a
[1:47:46]
second?
[1:47:49]
Wilcox.
[1:47:50]
Councilman Wilcox. All in
[1:47:54]
favor?
[1:47:54]
All right.
[1:47:55]
Any opposed?
[1:47:56]
I.
[1:47:58]
just heard the one.
[1:47:59]
No more. No roll call.
[1:48:04]
Beth.
[1:48:07]
Councilmember link.
[1:48:09]
Yes.
[1:48:09]
Council member. Boyer.
[1:48:11]
Yes.
[1:48:12]
Council member. Cooke.
[1:48:13]
No.
[1:48:14]
Council member. Spencer.
[1:48:16]
No.
[1:48:16]
Council member. Wilcox.
[1:48:18]
Yes.
[1:48:18]
Council member. Yates.
[1:48:20]
No.
[1:48:21]
Councilmember. Koskela.
[1:48:23]
Yes.
[1:48:23]
Councilmember. Palmer.
[1:48:25]
Yes.
[1:48:26]
Councilmember. Taylor.
[1:48:27]
No.
[1:48:28]
Councilmember. Wexler.
[1:48:30]
Yes.
[1:48:31]
Six four.
[1:48:33]
Yes.
[1:48:34]
All right. Mr.. Palmer.
[1:48:38]
So I would like to turn around,
[1:48:40]
as I've mentioned in my open in
[1:48:41]
my ward report, I'd like to
[1:48:43]
table Bill 7879 and request a
[1:48:45]
staff evaluate and propose
[1:48:47]
potential enhancements to the
[1:48:48]
conditional use permit
[1:48:49]
requirements, applicable city
[1:48:50]
provisions and enforcement and
[1:48:51]
penalty options that could help
[1:48:53]
us mitigate issues that we
[1:48:54]
experience in similar
[1:48:55]
facilities in the area.
[1:48:56]
All right. So we have a motion
[1:48:57]
to table 7879 by Councilman
[1:49:00]
Palmer. Do I have a second?
[1:49:01]
by Councilman Wilcox.
[1:49:05]
Questions? All in favor?
[1:49:07]
Aye.
[1:49:07]
Any opposed?
[1:49:10]
Do you want us to move forward?
[1:49:13]
Nine one. Motion passes the
[1:49:17]
table. Brings us to commit. Go
[1:49:25]
ahead. Sir.
[1:49:26]
So, does anything else need to
[1:49:27]
happen for staff to commence on
[1:49:29]
that? I'm new to this.
[1:49:33]
No, sir.
[1:49:34]
Thank you.
[1:49:37]
All right. Brings us to
[1:49:52]
committee and commission
[1:49:53]
reports. Questions stand as
[1:49:58]
read. Questions and comments on
[1:50:01]
the consent calendar.
[1:50:04]
Motion to approve.
[1:50:05]
Second, Wexler.
[1:50:08]
Councilman Koskela, seconded by
[1:50:10]
Councilman Wexler. Councilman,
[1:50:12]
cast your vote.
[1:50:18]
The voting is closed.
[1:50:20]
Ten. Yes. Zero. No. The consent
[1:50:22]
calendar has been approved.
[1:50:24]
Next is a public hearing to
[1:50:27]
consider amending certain
[1:50:29]
provisions of title for land
[1:50:30]
use. Chapter 400 related
[1:50:32]
regulations pertaining to
[1:50:34]
development activities within
[1:50:35]
the great city of O'Fallon,
[1:50:36]
Missouri. Mr. woods.
[1:50:44]
Thank you, Mayor and Council.
[1:50:46]
This is really just kind of
[1:50:48]
following up to the ordinance
[1:50:49]
that was approved by, actually
[1:50:50]
P and Z in the council just
[1:50:52]
last month where we were want
[1:50:54]
to limit commercial recreation.
[1:50:57]
We we changed the code last month for industrial to
[1:51:00]
limit that in industrial
[1:51:01]
districts. This has taken it a
[1:51:02]
little further, but taken out
[1:51:04]
the commercial recreation in
[1:51:06]
our high tech zoning. So that's
[1:51:08]
the only, only thing that's
[1:51:09]
being changed is changing that
[1:51:12]
land use from being allowed in
[1:51:14]
high tech, a recreational
[1:51:16]
facility and that's what we've
[1:51:21]
just done for industrial. Yes,
[1:51:22]
sir.
[1:51:22]
Okay. Questions for David.
[1:51:25]
Yeah. Can you can you give me
[1:51:27]
examples of these types of
[1:51:30]
facilities that we would no
[1:51:31]
longer allow in tech?
[1:51:32]
Yeah, there's there's one I
[1:51:33]
know of for sure. There was
[1:51:34]
like a batting cage, batting
[1:51:36]
cages, indoor batting cages was
[1:51:37]
one, um, uh, like training,
[1:51:40]
soccer training facilities. I
[1:51:42]
know of a few of those around.
[1:51:44]
Cheerleading, uh, would be
[1:51:46]
something commercial
[1:51:47]
recreation, uh, kind of fits a
[1:51:49]
lot of those categories. Or
[1:51:52]
uses.
[1:51:52]
And then like that. Uh, reduces
[1:51:56]
the flexibility on the use of
[1:51:57]
that land. Is there like, what?
[1:52:00]
I don't I'm not quite sure why
[1:52:01]
it's a big deal.
[1:52:03]
Well, I think, you know, rather
[1:52:05]
than having those type of uses
[1:52:06]
in, we're going to have more
[1:52:08]
businesses that have, uh, you
[1:52:11]
know, more the high tech, uh,
[1:52:14]
offices, you know, research and
[1:52:17]
development, rather than just
[1:52:18]
having, you know, big
[1:52:20]
warehouses not being used to.
[1:52:21]
They're fulfilled, uh, proposed
[1:52:24]
use.
[1:52:27]
Mr. Lincoln.
[1:52:28]
Uh, so, Mr. Woods, then, I
[1:52:31]
guess those types of businesses
[1:52:33]
would be more appropriate in,
[1:52:34]
like C1, C2, as opposed to high
[1:52:38]
tech corridor.
[1:52:39]
Yeah, they would. They're still
[1:52:40]
allowed in commercial.
[1:52:42]
And those aren't changing at
[1:52:43]
all. It's only the TCD that's
[1:52:46]
impacted okay. Thank you.
[1:52:48]
Anybody else David if you would
[1:52:51]
step aside, Mr. Dean of.
[1:53:04]
Thank you. Members of city
[1:53:06]
Council. Um, as the last bill I
[1:53:10]
oppose because I think that
[1:53:12]
private property owner rights
[1:53:14]
have the right to establish
[1:53:16]
recreational needs in vacant
[1:53:18]
buildings that we have
[1:53:20]
throughout the city. Um, I
[1:53:21]
think that that's an individual
[1:53:22]
property right now when it
[1:53:24]
comes to the high tech corridor
[1:53:26]
we have decimated, we have
[1:53:28]
destroyed this district. In my
[1:53:31]
opposition over the last decade
[1:53:33]
or two decades, almost, um,
[1:53:35]
previous city councils have
[1:53:38]
absolutely eroded the high
[1:53:41]
technology corridor and zoning
[1:53:43]
district. We have given in to
[1:53:45]
special interest developers. We
[1:53:47]
have given in to special money,
[1:53:49]
we have given in to, um,
[1:53:54]
destroying what the technology
[1:53:57]
is, the future of our nation. I
[1:54:00]
am in support of this change of
[1:54:02]
article seven, uh, chapter 400,
[1:54:04]
title four. By not allowing
[1:54:06]
recreational facilities or
[1:54:08]
indoor sales or service or
[1:54:10]
commercial recreational
[1:54:12]
opportunities in our high tech
[1:54:14]
corridor, or that zoning
[1:54:16]
district. Let's make a hard
[1:54:20]
stand. City Council by stop
[1:54:22]
giving game by stop giving in
[1:54:25]
and giving away the zoning of
[1:54:27]
our high technology district.
[1:54:29]
We have given in to storage
[1:54:31]
buildings. We have given in to
[1:54:33]
banks. We have given in to car
[1:54:36]
washes, and we have mostly
[1:54:38]
given in to huge apartment
[1:54:40]
complexes and our technology
[1:54:42]
high, uh, um, our technology
[1:54:45]
corridor. And I have opposed
[1:54:48]
those issues. I oppose those
[1:54:49]
zoning measures. We continue to
[1:54:51]
give away and erode that
[1:54:54]
district. We don't even have a
[1:54:55]
district, almost. It's almost
[1:54:58]
non-existent on the south side
[1:55:00]
where we have Technology
[1:55:02]
Boulevard. It's called
[1:55:03]
Technology Boulevard for a
[1:55:04]
reason, but it never came to
[1:55:06]
fruition. We never took the
[1:55:09]
breadcrumbs and never made some
[1:55:11]
economic establishments and
[1:55:13]
tried to gain national interest
[1:55:16]
in attracting high tech
[1:55:18]
industries to O'Fallon. And
[1:55:20]
it's it's shameful because we
[1:55:22]
have Mastercard, we have
[1:55:24]
companies down there that are
[1:55:25]
huge and that would just go
[1:55:27]
hand in hand with each other.
[1:55:28]
And then a high tech corridor
[1:55:30]
district. So I'm in support of
[1:55:33]
Bill number 78, 84. Um, and
[1:55:36]
let's stop eroding what we have
[1:55:38]
left. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[1:55:40]
Thank you. No speakers will go
[1:55:43]
ahead and close the public
[1:55:44]
hearing. And brings us to Bill.
[1:55:45]
Any questions for David?
[1:55:49]
Thanks, David. Bill 7884. Most
[1:55:53]
first reading. Lawyer was
[1:55:58]
Councilmember Boyer, second.
[1:56:00]
Palmer second by Councilman
[1:56:01]
Palmer, Councilman Boyer,
[1:56:03]
please present the bill.
[1:56:04]
number 7884, an ordinance
[1:56:08]
amending certain provisions of
[1:56:09]
the title for land use. Chapter
[1:56:11]
400 related to regulations
[1:56:13]
pertaining to development
[1:56:15]
activities within the city of
[1:56:16]
O'Fallon, Missouri.
[1:56:17]
Thank you. Next is public
[1:56:18]
hearing to consider leaving the
[1:56:20]
property tax for the great city
[1:56:21]
of O'Fallon, Missouri for the
[1:56:23]
year 2026 for the purpose of
[1:56:25]
general revenue and debt
[1:56:26]
service. Miss Buescher.
[1:56:32]
Good evening. On the agenda
[1:56:36]
tonight is the first reading of
[1:56:38]
the property tax ordinance.
[1:56:40]
There are two rates that are
[1:56:42]
being set. The first is our
[1:56:44]
general levy. The general levy
[1:56:49]
for last year was 0.2815. I am
[1:56:53]
recommending that it stayed the
[1:56:55]
same. Um, that rate is set
[1:56:57]
using the Hancock amendment,
[1:56:59]
and that is also certified
[1:57:01]
through the Missouri State
[1:57:02]
Auditor's office. So I am
[1:57:04]
recommending that we levy that
[1:57:06]
at the ceiling of which we're
[1:57:08]
allowed to the second rate we
[1:57:10]
levy is a debt service rate.
[1:57:12]
This is the monies that we use
[1:57:14]
to pay off the Geo bonds that
[1:57:16]
were approved by our voters.
[1:57:18]
There is a calculation that's
[1:57:21]
used in order to set this levy.
[1:57:23]
It's based on the amount of
[1:57:24]
bonds that we issue in 2027,
[1:57:28]
and the amount of bonds that
[1:57:30]
are issued in 2028. The monies
[1:57:34]
that we collect for our
[1:57:36]
property taxes, a majority of
[1:57:38]
those are collected in
[1:57:39]
December, and up to 60 days
[1:57:41]
after the end of the year. So a
[1:57:44]
lot of the property taxes that
[1:57:46]
we collect aren't collected
[1:57:47]
until after the end of the
[1:57:48]
year, which is why we're
[1:57:50]
allowed to use two years worth
[1:57:51]
of reserve. Um, that rate in
[1:57:56]
2025 was 0.1401. The ceiling
[1:58:02]
for the debt service levy is at
[1:58:04]
0.1221. I am recommending
[1:58:08]
dropping that to 0.1100. I
[1:58:12]
believe we have sufficient
[1:58:13]
reserves that will help drop
[1:58:15]
the reserves just a little bit,
[1:58:16]
to make sure that we're not
[1:58:17]
holding on to too many of
[1:58:19]
those. And if you have any
[1:58:21]
questions for me, I am happy to
[1:58:22]
answer them.
[1:58:23]
Questions for Vicky. Mr.
[1:58:25]
Lincoln.
[1:58:25]
Thank you. Mayor, did you just
[1:58:27]
say you're going to drop tax
[1:58:28]
payer tax rates by 20% in one
[1:58:31]
category?
[1:58:33]
I did..
[1:58:34]
Great news. Yep. Fully
[1:58:36]
supported.
[1:58:37]
Thank you.
[1:58:38]
Anybody else? Thank you for
[1:58:41]
your step aside. This public
[1:58:43]
hearing, Mr. Danoff.
[1:58:55]
Thank you very much. Members of
[1:58:56]
council, this is on the
[1:58:59]
proposed 2026 personal real
[1:59:02]
estate Tax Levies Bill 7885.
[1:59:06]
Um, the proposed general and
[1:59:08]
debt service funds are a
[1:59:11]
combination of 0.3915 on every
[1:59:14]
$100. The valuation and how you
[1:59:18]
do that is it's 18% for
[1:59:19]
residential, 32% for commercial
[1:59:22]
and 11% for agricultural. The
[1:59:24]
state statute and state auditor
[1:59:26]
require the pro forma, um, 8 to
[1:59:30]
12 pages must be reviewed,
[1:59:32]
proofed and approved by the
[1:59:33]
state auditor and their legal
[1:59:35]
staff is legal, compliant and
[1:59:37]
not to exceed voter approved
[1:59:39]
tax ceilings. I asked the
[1:59:41]
Director of Finance and the
[1:59:42]
City Council to be transparent
[1:59:44]
in the next go around with 2027
[1:59:47]
and make sure that that's those
[1:59:49]
proforma forms are published in
[1:59:51]
the City Council packet to be
[1:59:53]
transparent to all taxpayers.
[1:59:55]
Um, where the new construction
[1:59:57]
figures. I didn't see that in
[1:59:59]
the memo by the Director of
[2:00:00]
finance. I think that those are
[2:00:02]
a tax increase to our city, and
[2:00:05]
those go into immediate
[2:00:06]
occupation. After 30 days of
[2:00:08]
occupying, whether it's
[2:00:09]
residential or commercial, we
[2:00:12]
live off of sales taxes. That's
[2:00:15]
predominantly the most that
[2:00:16]
comes into our conferences
[2:00:17]
sales taxes. And we need to
[2:00:19]
back off and annually work
[2:00:21]
towards lowering our tax levy
[2:00:24]
responsibility on the backs of
[2:00:26]
taxpayers. For those reasons, I
[2:00:29]
am asking the City Council that
[2:00:31]
you look at phasing out the
[2:00:33]
personal property tax in its
[2:00:34]
entirety, just as Saint Charles
[2:00:36]
County did for this year. Um,
[2:00:39]
no one in Saint Charles County
[2:00:40]
for the General fund or the
[2:00:42]
Alarm and dispatch Fund, or the
[2:00:44]
road fund will be paying
[2:00:45]
personal property tax at the
[2:00:47]
county level. And I ask that we
[2:00:48]
look at doing the same in
[2:00:50]
workshop sessions. I propose
[2:00:53]
that the two tax levies be set
[2:00:54]
as following the general fund
[2:00:57]
to be set at 0.2800, and the
[2:01:03]
debt service fund at 0.1100,
[2:01:07]
for a combined rate of 0.3900
[2:01:11]
on 100 valuation. You know,
[2:01:13]
we're all taxpayers. No one
[2:01:15]
wants to pay taxes. But I
[2:01:16]
believe the taxpayers deserve a
[2:01:18]
break. I think we need to.
[2:01:20]
We've set we've set record
[2:01:22]
setting sales tax income for
[2:01:25]
last 16 years. Um, year after
[2:01:27]
year, historic income to our
[2:01:29]
city. And we need to start
[2:01:31]
backing off of our personal
[2:01:32]
property and our real estate
[2:01:34]
taxes. And so I hope that you
[2:01:36]
adopt my recommendation over
[2:01:37]
the recommendation of the
[2:01:38]
finance director. I believe
[2:01:40]
taxpayers deserve to have that
[2:01:41]
slight, small break. Thank you,
[2:01:43]
Mr. Mayor.
[2:01:44]
Thank you. We have no other
[2:01:47]
speakers, so we'll go ahead and
[2:01:49]
close the public hearing. Any
[2:01:50]
other questions for Vicki?
[2:01:53]
Seeing none brings to Bill 7885
[2:01:56]
motion for first reading.
[2:01:58]
Kelly.
[2:01:59]
Who was that link and. Motion
[2:02:04]
by Councilman Lake, second by
[2:02:06]
Councilmember Lake. Please
[2:02:08]
present the bill.
[2:02:09]
7885, an ordinance
[2:02:13]
providing for the levying of a
[2:02:14]
property tax for the city of
[2:02:16]
O'Fallon, Missouri for the year
[2:02:18]
2026. For the purposes of
[2:02:20]
general revenue and debt
[2:02:22]
service.
[2:02:22]
Thank you. Brings Bill 7886
[2:02:25]
motion first reading.
[2:02:26]
Osceola.
[2:02:27]
Mr. Costello, second link
[2:02:29]
second by Councilman Lane.
[2:02:30]
Councilman Costello, please
[2:02:31]
present the bill.
[2:02:32]
Thank you. Mayor Bill, number
[2:02:33]
7886. An ordinance providing
[2:02:36]
for the approval and acceptance
[2:02:37]
of the dedication of streets in
[2:02:39]
certain storm sewers for
[2:02:40]
maintenance by the City of
[2:02:41]
Fallon, for the villages of
[2:02:42]
post farms. Plat three.
[2:02:44]
Thank you. Brings Bill 7887.
[2:02:47]
Motion first reading.
[2:02:48]
Wilcox.
[2:02:49]
Councilman Wilcox, second.
[2:02:50]
Wexler.
[2:02:51]
Second Councilman Wexler.
[2:02:52]
Councilman Wilcox, please
[2:02:53]
present the bill.
[2:02:55]
number 7887. An ordinance
[2:02:59]
approving a cooperation
[2:03:00]
reimbursement agreement between
[2:03:01]
Green Rivers Greenway and the
[2:03:03]
city of O'Fallon for the city
[2:03:04]
to be reimbursed. A portion of
[2:03:06]
the construction costs for the
[2:03:08]
Great Rivers Greenway. Twin
[2:03:09]
Island Trailhead project, and
[2:03:11]
an amount not to exceed
[2:03:13]
$275,000.
[2:03:16]
Thank you. Brings Bill 7888
[2:03:18]
motion first reading.
[2:03:21]
Wexler.
[2:03:22]
Councilman Wexler, second.
[2:03:24]
Boyer.
[2:03:25]
Thinking by Councilman Yates.
[2:03:26]
Councilman Wexler, present the
[2:03:27]
bill.
[2:03:28]
number 7888. An ordinance
[2:03:31]
authorizing the city of
[2:03:32]
O'Fallon to enter into a
[2:03:33]
building and code enforcement
[2:03:35]
services mutual aid agreement
[2:03:37]
for emergency and disaster
[2:03:38]
response with Saint Charles
[2:03:39]
County and area participating
[2:03:42]
municipalities.
[2:03:42]
Thank you. Brings Bill 7889.
[2:03:45]
Most First Reading.
[2:03:46]
Spencer.
[2:03:47]
That's why Councilwoman Spencer
[2:03:48]
second.
[2:03:49]
Taylor.
[2:03:49]
Councilman Taylor, Councilwoman
[2:03:51]
Spencer, please present the
[2:03:52]
bill.
[2:03:53]
number 7889, an ordinance
[2:03:56]
amending section 110.200 of the
[2:04:01]
O'Fallon City Code relating to
[2:04:03]
City Council meetings.
[2:04:04]
Thank you. Brings Bill 7890
[2:04:07]
first reading. Cook. Mr.
[2:04:08]
Councilwoman Cook, second.
[2:04:09]
Wexler.
[2:04:10]
Thank Councilman Wexler.
[2:04:11]
Councilwoman cook, please
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present the bill.
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Thank you. Mayor Bill, number
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7890. An ordinance approving
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the record plant of O'Fallon
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Sports Center and authorizing
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the city clerk to attest and
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certify approval of said plat.
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Thank you. Motion for second
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reading by title only. Cook.
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Councilwoman cook, second.
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Wexler.
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Councilman Wexler. All in
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favor? Aye. Any opposed? Mr.
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O'Keefe?
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Bill. Number 7890. Second
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reading and consideration for
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adoption. An ordinance
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approving the record plat of
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O'Fallon Sports Center and
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authorizing the City clerk to
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attest and certify certify
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approval of said plat.
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Most final passage. Cook.
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Motion for Councilman Cook,
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second. We'll give it to Mr.
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Palmer this time. Questions or
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comments? Cast your vote.
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The voting is closed.
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Dan. Yes, 0078 90 passed
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becomes ordinance number.
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73397339. Thank you. Bess.
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Questions or comments on
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resolution 910 2026 D is in
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David. Seeing none do a motion
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to introduce.
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Cook.
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Mr.. Councilman Cook, second.
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Boyer.
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Thank you, Councilmember Boyer.
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All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Mr.
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O'Keefe.
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Resolution nine 1020 2026 D as
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in. A resolution authorizing a
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multi-year agreement with Trek
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Design Group, LLC providing for
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sanitary sewer flow metering
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services.
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Motion for approval. Cook.
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Councilman. Cook. Second Boyer.
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Councilman. Boyer. Council
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members cast your vote.
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The voting is closed ten.
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Yes. Zero. No resolution has
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been approved. Questions or
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comments on resolution E.
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Seeing none. Most second to
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introduce Kelly McCaskill a
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second Wexler. Councilman
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Wexler. All in favor? Aye. Any
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opposed? Mr. O'Keefe?
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Resolution 910 2026EA
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resolution authorizing the
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purchase of a new honor of new
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honor guard uniforms and
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accessories in an amount not to
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exceed $25,000.
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Thank you most for approval.
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Cost Kelly..
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Mr. Koskela, second. Second by
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Councilman Wexler. Cast your
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vote.
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The voting is closed.
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Ten. Yes, zero. No. Resolution
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has been approved. Questions or
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comments on resolution F.
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Seeing. None. Motion to
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introduce cost. Kelly. Was
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McCaskill a second? Palmer by
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Councilman Palmer. All in favor?
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Any opposed?
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Mr. O'Keefe. Resolution 910
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2026FA resolution authorizing
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an agreement with Charles E
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General Contracting, providing
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for chiller repairs the Justice
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Center in an amount not to
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exceed $23,168.
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Motion for approval.
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Costs.
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Kelly has a second.
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Yates.
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Seconded by Councilman Yates,
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cast your vote.
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Voting is closed.
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Ten. Yes. Zero. No. Resolution
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F has been approved. No further.
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Business meeting adjourned at
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903.