[0:00] Call the meeting.

[0:03] » Call the meeting to order, pledge of

[0:04] allegiance to the flag

[0:06] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag

[0:08] >> of the United States of America

[0:10] >> and to the republic for which it stands,

[0:12] one nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:16] liberty and justice for all.

[0:19] >> Any news?

[0:28] » Chairman,

[0:29] everybody is there?

[0:31] Public comment.

[0:34] Open public comment.

[0:35] >> This is the lot going to be used for the

[0:37] dumpsters or

[0:40] for impounded cars that were towed in

[0:42] the lot.

[0:45] >> So, impounded cars are I don't know.

[0:47] It's a good question.

[0:48] >> Yeah.

[0:48] >> Cuz if I get I don't know where to look

[0:50] if I get towed.

[0:52] >> They've got an impound lot. Well, like

[0:53] the vault.

[0:55] >> Yeah, it could go there.

[0:56] >> You know.

[0:57] >> I don't know if that's an impound lot.

[0:59] >> Do you have any legitimate public That's

[1:01] a legitimate question.

[1:04] Public comment.

[1:04] >> I thought those were separate weekly

[1:06] meetings here today.

[1:07] >> Well, my understanding

[1:07] >> That will do. Thank you.

[1:08] >> My understanding purchase of lot is for

[1:11] recycling and and for a storage

[1:14] building.

[1:15] >> Yeah.

[1:15] >> Which our subcommittee discussed.

[1:21] That's my understanding.

[1:22] >> So,

[1:24] directed I went and got for Mr. Seymour

[1:26] and Mr. Pianto

[1:29] a purchase agreement that they would

[1:30] agree to, which is for $81,000.

[1:34] And we would split closing costs.

[1:41] The offer last time was 80 or 81, it was

[1:43] similar to that 2 years ago.

[1:47] So,

[1:50] they would agree to that. We have done

[1:52] Last time we looked at this, we did an

[1:53] environmental

[1:55] >> Did we really? See, I I wasn't I just

[1:58] remember that was my first meeting I

[1:59] ever attended. I wasn't

[2:01] >> Yeah, we did it because we were going to

[2:03] go ahead and purchase it and we did the

[2:05] environmental

[2:06] and we ran into the title work because

[2:08] it was in that trust Joe P. The seniors

[2:11] trust and it took forever. Both names

[2:13] are on there and they never done

[2:14] anything.

[2:15] >> Okay.

[2:16] >> And now it's all totally

[2:17] >> It's all taken care of. So, now both of

[2:18] them have to sign cuz they both are 50%

[2:21] owners of the property or whatever.

[2:23] >> The estate has to sign it.

[2:25] >> The old Santa

[2:27] or the estate junior.

[2:29] >> Okay.

[2:29] >> Gross or the Joe P. And the trust.

[2:32] >> Got it. Okay.

[2:33] >> That's confusing to me how you have to

[2:35] sign like that.

[2:35] >> Yeah, I just wasn't Okay.

[2:38] Um

[2:40] >> So, then

[2:41] you sent this thing to um Tom. You want

[2:44] to go over all this stuff? You might as

[2:46] well.

[2:47] >> Well, one question I have which Tom may

[2:50] or may

[2:51] Is does

[2:54] Barry or the estate have an existing

[2:57] survey on the property?

[3:01] » Didn't ask them.

[3:03] Can I ask I can ask that. They'll give it to us if they have it,

[3:06] I'm sure.

[3:07] I don't know. I never checked with the

[3:09] county either.

[3:11] >> Well, county wouldn't

[3:12] >> The equalization might have one on file.

[3:15] And if you turned it in

[3:17] >> Good. I'm going to doubt somebody would

[3:19] have turned a survey in.

[3:21] >> You know, I I was over by there. There

[3:23] might

[3:25] In the I don't know what that would be

[3:27] the old Well, save us some money cuz I

[3:28] do believe we have to have a survey.

[3:30] You're right. I was I there's some state

[3:32] >> That's the reason I'm asking the

[3:33] question cuz I would want a survey on it

[3:35] before we start putting a building on

[3:37] it.

[3:37] >> Oh, no. Yeah, I know. I I agree with

[3:38] that. I can ask them now. Yeah, I can

[3:41] call and ask them. So, yeah, I'll just

[3:43] kind of go through this stuff where he

[3:44] marked all this stuff. So, the period

[3:46] inspection period effective until five

[3:48] He thought it should be 30 days.

[3:50] I had it as 10. That's because we've

[3:54] already done the environmental. I don't

[3:56] know what else we'd want to look at.

[3:58] It's up to you guys.

[4:00] Um

[4:03] Seller shall make the property available

[4:04] at reasonable hours to the buyer's

[4:06] inspections. They've been over there 10

[4:08] times. You want to go look at it some

[4:09] more?

[4:09] >> Well, it's vacant. I mean, it's not we

[4:11] got to be in the house.

[4:13] >> Well, and seeing how it was already

[4:15] under a contract and the the reason it

[4:17] didn't

[4:18] there was no sales because of the loan.

[4:21] And he'd like to change the closing date

[4:23] at least 21 days before the closing date

[4:25] of this buy-sell which I don't know why.

[4:27] >> Wait, what What are you saying that

[4:29] >> Did you have to give this?

[4:31] >> Oh, this is you're looking at So, yeah,

[4:33] these are time stamps. Sorry. On here.

[4:36] His suggestion was that he felt that the

[4:40] original document which shows three days

[4:44] uh should be increased to, you know, 10

[4:47] days and that we should have

[4:50] 21 days

[4:52] uh you know, give the title company give

[4:55] us time to get get the seller time to

[4:58] get the title insurance and those

[5:00] documents back to us. We felt 21 days

[5:04] that we should have it in our possession

[5:06] before the closing date, which is how he

[5:08] came up with backdating it to December

[5:10] 1st. Now, these are just his

[5:12] suggestions.

[5:13] We don't have to accept them if we don't

[5:16] have to.

[5:16] >> don't know why you need My point is I

[5:18] don't know why you need all that time. I

[5:19] don't know what we're doing or what

[5:20] we're not doing.

[5:20] >> The only reason you need 10 days to look

[5:22] over the title work is if you wanted

[5:24] time to look over the title work and he

[5:26] needs 10 days.

[5:28] I mean

[5:29] >> Okay, if you have title insurance, do

[5:31] you need that?

[5:32] >> we look at it and we got a problem

[5:33] >> Right.

[5:34] >> And what can you I just

[5:36] >> I mean, can't when the title company do

[5:38] that?

[5:39] >> Well, no, wait. No, what what he's

[5:41] changing is he's saying, "Okay, once the

[5:43] title work's done and we receive it."

[5:45] >> Right.

[5:46] He's saying

[5:48] we should take 10 days

[5:51] to look it over.

[5:55] You know, to me it's like 10 minutes.

[5:58] >> Um okay. I'm going to be in line that

[6:00] we've already changed the by laws and

[6:01] things.

[6:01] >> Well, but I mean, you're going to know

[6:03] if there's a title issue or not right

[6:04] away.

[6:05] >> Well, that's what they discovered the

[6:06] last time was an issue on the title of

[6:08] P&D, correct?

[6:09] >> Yeah.

[6:10] >> Seller shall provide the buyer a

[6:12] seller's expense title insurance seller.

[6:16] We'll order a title within 5 days

[6:20] after Okay, seller shall provide

[6:23] the title commitment to buyer at least

[6:25] 21 days before closing.

[6:29] Those are just suggestions.

[6:38] » I'm going to take every defer to you cuz

[6:40] you I I don't I've bought very few

[6:41] properties in my life.

[6:42] >> Well, I think

[6:43] >> 6 8 10

[6:44] >> rather than debating terms right now, I

[6:46] mean, are we in a

[6:48] I mean, okay.

[6:49] >> How about I read agreement with the

[6:51] $81,000 purchase price?

[6:52] >> And purchasing it. Yeah, I guess that's

[6:54] the big thing.

[6:56] I mean, I'm in favor of it.

[6:58] >> Is there a motion? Do we have a motion?

[6:59] >> We don't have a motion.

[7:00] >> Well,

[7:02] I would make a motion a motion to

[7:04] discuss it. Go ahead and make a motion.

[7:05] >> Yeah, we can make it and then discuss

[7:06] it.

[7:07] >> Right.

[7:07] >> I would make the motion to approve the

[7:09] purchase

[7:11] of the property. There's a number for

[7:13] like you want to

[7:14] >> There's a parcel

[7:15] >> The biggest it's the center of three on

[7:17] the front page.

[7:18] >> 11-250-001-00

[7:23] » Now they can see it perfect.

[7:26] Um

[7:27] >> See the small print.

[7:28] >> 5111 yet tax ID 250-001-00

[7:32] >> Yes.

[7:32] >> That prove that tax ID number. Um

[7:37] for $81,000.

[7:39] Okay, so there's a second.

[7:41] >> I'll support.

[7:41] >> Okay, thank you. Now discussion.

[7:44] Sure we can

[7:45] >> glance I must say.

[7:45] >> So

[7:49] I know.

[7:52] » Yes, Mike.

[7:55] » So for agreeing to the purchase, I mean

[7:58] how do we then

[8:04] decide on the terms of the agreement?

[8:07] I mean like for instance

[8:10] what was proposed is like we're talking about the title work

[8:15] and that I mean how do we

[8:16] >> Well, maybe the motion should have been

[8:18] to accept the purchase agreement as

[8:20] written or accept the purchase agreement

[8:21] as revised by the attorney.

[8:23] >> Yeah. We can do it that way, but

[8:25] >> I don't I don't think we really need all

[8:27] of them.

[8:27] >> There's only one.

[8:28] >> Can I amend my

[8:29] >> I'm good.

[8:30] >> Yeah, as written.

[8:32] As as written before the attorney might

[8:34] Okay, is there a Who's second? Adam,

[8:35] would you still second that motion?

[8:37] Okay, so

[8:39] For further discussion, I'm only going

[8:40] to bring this up cuz someone's going to

[8:42] ask. I we asked I asked the county about

[8:44] the piece across the street

[8:46] >> Right.

[8:46] >> like five different times now and then

[8:49] yet I've never got a price back.

[8:51] >> Well, but our subcommittee

[8:53] >> I know.

[8:54] >> So we had a subcommittee that was

[8:56] originally looking at the township's

[8:58] property

[9:01] for a variety of reasons

[9:03] decided neither one was really a good

[9:05] fit. And the reason the subcommittee

[9:08] doesn't like the county's piece of

[9:10] property is it's too close to the water

[9:13] so it doesn't get rid of

[9:15] >> That issue.

[9:16] that people have been

[9:18] concerned about. And by doing

[9:22] >> And

[9:22] >> Yes, it's kind of like what originally

[9:24] was going to happen two plus years ago.

[9:27] >> Right.

[9:27] >> And it's real close to where it was.

[9:30] >> I mean we would have bought this

[9:31] property by now if the county if the

[9:33] county hadn't have said we're We're to

[9:35] >> I No, that's what

[9:36] >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[9:37] >> like I said,

[9:39] you

[9:39] >> guys were like at that one meeting where

[9:42] >> But I just thought you should be aware

[9:43] of the fact that I have yet to get a

[9:45] price back, so it's irrelevant.

[9:46] >> And it moves us further

[9:48] It's a bigger piece of property. There's

[9:50] more room for a storage building or

[9:51] whatever.

[9:51] >> Absolutely.

[9:52] >> It's a better site. Yes.

[9:54] >> All the way around.

[9:55] >> And that is two meetings ago as the lane

[9:57] said, they're going to start on the

[9:58] charger $600 a month.

[10:01] That's uh 7,200 a year. So, it won't

[10:04] take many years to pay for the property,

[10:06] right?

[10:07] >> I I just

[10:08] >> Might as well own it.

[10:09] >> I think it's

[10:10] the best solution that we could come up

[10:14] with at this point. My only

[10:17] question and um that's part of why I

[10:19] asked for the survey.

[10:20] And I know we talked about at the sub

[10:22] committee meeting like what size

[10:24] building we thought we would need.

[10:26] >> Yeah.

[10:26] >> I mean, I don't know what

[10:29] I don't

[10:32] I'm bad with looking at something

[10:34] saying, "Oh, yeah, it's big enough."

[10:35] It's just like the depth issue for

[10:37] building something like that or

[10:39] >> Oh, we got plenty. We can build a huge

[10:41] building. We can build a build big

[10:42] enough to store boats for everybody.

[10:43] >> But with being able to turn or like go

[10:46] in for

[10:47] cuz we don't really have to turn. We

[10:48] could just pull up for recycling and

[10:50] back out.

[10:51] >> I think we should

[10:52] spend a little bit of money. If you

[10:53] don't have a survey, I would suggest you

[10:54] need a survey.

[10:55] >> And hire someone to come up with

[10:56] >> Have Spicer or somebody come up with

[10:58] just a conceptual master plan and say,

[11:00] "Here's Here's what we want to

[11:01] accomplish, you know, and room for a

[11:03] building." I mean

[11:04] Yeah. And maybe maybe a fire station

[11:06] goes there or something. Who knows? I

[11:07] mean, it could be any number of things.

[11:09] >> And I agree with that. It's just

[11:11] kind of like a quick look. We got the

[11:13] room there, right?

[11:14] >> And I honestly there's room. I was

[11:16] thinking like in my head maybe make a

[11:18] uh another sub committee to kind of take

[11:21] a look at what would best fit, you know,

[11:23] get a kind of an eye on what would fit in

[11:27] there or something.

[11:28] >> think what if they got a hold of a

[11:29] survey and MSU do some conceptual

[11:32] drawings for the village on some without

[11:34] charging. Someone at MSU

[11:36] >> sidewalks they did stuff for them.

[11:39] >> Yeah, that's

[11:40] I think that's their citizen planner

[11:42] group or something like that.

[11:44] >> I'd rather work with an engineering firm

[11:45] that does site things all the time. They

[11:47] can whip that out.

[11:48] >> Right.

[11:48] >> Quick. No one can do that.

[11:50] >> Okay.

[11:51] >> We don't even know what size storage

[11:52] barn, we don't know what kind of

[11:53] construction, we don't we don't have any

[11:55] of that.

[11:55] >> Well, yeah, we were throwing around, you

[11:57] know, talking to Beck and, you know, how

[11:59] much stuff is we were throwing around

[12:01] the size because we'd rather build it

[12:03] bigger.

[12:04] >> Yeah, well, at some point we're going to

[12:05] have a truck. The parks department's

[12:07] going to have a truck and they're going

[12:08] to want to park a mower there and they

[12:10] don't know what

[12:10] >> The fire department boat

[12:12] >> They're going to, you know, maybe you

[12:13] want a bathroom there. I mean, is that

[12:14] where, you know, the parks people are

[12:16] going to work out? There's all kinds of

[12:17] different things that

[12:18] >> The aerials is what we're doing.

[12:20] >> Yeah, the fire department boat maybe

[12:21] goes in there and

[12:23] >> Unless and but some like you said, you

[12:25] hire a firm, get some thought process

[12:27] into this, not just jump into something

[12:28] and put a building up and say, "Oh,

[12:30] >> We should have done it."

[12:30] >> Right.

[12:31] >> But I mean, even if we even if we

[12:33] temporarily relocate the recycling

[12:36] there, that can always be moved around

[12:37] because it's just gravel. It's not

[12:39] >> No, it's not a big deal.

[12:40] >> It'd be nice to know do you want the

[12:42] recycling

[12:42] >> And it's our gravel.

[12:43] >> And it's and we can put a nice fence

[12:44] around

[12:45] >> Not anymore.

[12:46] >> No, we put it on our land.

[12:47] >> Well, that is our land.

[12:48] >> The next amount of gravel would be on

[12:50] us.

[12:50] >> Yeah, but we could put a like a little

[12:52] bit of a berm and a fence up so it would

[12:54] be hidden, no one would see it. And then

[12:55] when if it is windy and they go to dump

[12:57] it,

[12:57] >> The one the first thing is do you want

[12:59] the building by the road and have the

[13:00] recycle trailers behind it or do you

[13:02] want the recycle trailers out by the

[13:03] road and the building sit So, with all

[13:05] those

[13:05] >> Yeah, I think that's where the engineer

[13:07] helps us.

[13:09] >> Most likely hidden from view so it looks

[13:11] nice.

[13:12] >> Yeah.

[13:14] >> And and the stuff doesn't go flying into

[13:15] the creek or the

[13:18] >> And it's like I'll have to I'll have to

[13:19] put a fence up around the whole thing

[13:20] anyway. So,

[13:22] >> But so,

[13:22] >> And I have to put

[13:23] >> I think it's a really good deal. I mean,

[13:24] it's like 8,000 under or something the

[13:27] assessed value. It's very good price.

[13:30] It would be worth it just to pull it up

[13:32] just to look at the depth.

[13:34] >> Yeah, I don't I don't

[13:39] » I got I have an unex-

[13:41] >> I don't know like I don't know if

[13:43] >> That's so small.

[13:49] » I have a measurement wheel in the back

[13:50] of my truck.

[13:51] >> Yeah, Ronald brought that.

[13:53] >> What's that?

[13:54] >> answers

[13:56] >> That's all right.

[13:57] >> business

[13:58] >> You know what current site's like and

[13:59] >> Yeah, not at this

[14:00] >> There's a motion and a second and

[14:02] discussion but we're not yet at public

[14:04] comment.

[14:05] >> I know what it is.

[14:08] Okay, what about anything else? What

[14:10] then the way it's presented without all

[14:12] the time extension which I believe we

[14:14] don't need but we and we do have done

[14:16] the environmental that came back clean.

[14:19] We paid last time and it had to be part

[14:21] of the title search to find the issue

[14:23] with the pianta.

[14:25] >> rest Greg

[14:27] >> Oh, you guys probably did have title

[14:28] work.

[14:29] >> That's what I'm saying. That's That's

[14:30] how we didn't pay anything.

[14:31] >> I don't know if we had title work or if

[14:33] they just discovered it before it got to

[14:34] that

[14:35] >> I think I think Barry discovered it cuz

[14:37] he never took care of it when Joe died.

[14:40] I think that's what happened.

[14:41] >> would put that out quick.

[14:44] >> I would think they would.

[14:47] More discussion? If not, I'm going to

[14:49] take a roll.

[14:50] >> Make it roll call vote.

[14:52] >> What now?

[14:53] >> No, keep going.

[14:54] >> Okay, Cindy?

[14:56] >> I don't like it that you want Oh, and

[14:57] then said no.

[14:58] >> We need to amend the budget or

[15:00] It's all we can do it.

[15:01] >> You can't do it at this meeting.

[15:07] Um yes.

[15:08] >> Okay, now yes. Ed? Yes. Jennifer?

[15:11] >> Yes.

[15:12] >> David? Yes.

[15:14] Okay, yeah, we can't amend the budget

[15:15] this meeting so

[15:17] >> Wow, when did we have this issue, Stan?

[15:20] >> We're going to have to revise. Do we

[15:21] have anything else on

[15:22] >> This has been a

[15:23] >> I've only been on the board a month.

[15:41] and I have

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