[0:02] So this morning um we are going or this evening uh we are going to start off

[0:07] with the uh privilege of the floor. Um just so we all know we have three

[0:12] minutes uh to have respectful commentary. I'm going to open the floor

[0:17] to Lewis from

[0:22] » Good evening. I'm Caroline Williams from Sunni Onian and this is Lachland Square

[0:28] facilities manager. About a year ago, we came and talked about our solar project

[0:35] that will be happening around campus and gave a presentation to the board. We're

[0:39] here because we finally got the state approval and construction will be

[0:43] happening. So, we provided you with the most recent um solar panel layout so you

[0:49] have it and a sheet with contact information because as we start

[0:54] construction on West Street, you may be getting phone calls about noise,

[1:00] traffic, the kinds of things that come with construction. And Lachlan here is

[1:04] the person that if you get any calls, you can direct them to about project.

[1:10] So, just kind of a quick update to let you know that we we're actually moving

[1:15] forward with that. So, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out

[1:19] to me. >> Yep.

[1:21] » How much did this change from the original site?

[1:23] » Um, we pushed it up the hill a little bit just so it wasn't quite as close to

[1:27] the road um and pushed it a little deeper into the site.

[1:31] » But the the actual kilowatts and the panel numbers and all that

[1:35] » pretty much the same. >> Yep.

[1:38] Um, can I can we get an electronic copy so we can prod?

[1:42] » Yes, absolutely. Y I can email that to you guys. And if you have any questions,

[1:46] feel free to reach out to myself or reach out to Lachlan and I'm going to be

[1:51] driving you home, but if you need me to come back for other things, just let me

[1:54] know. >> Thank you.

[1:56] » Great. Thanks. >> Um, and now if anyone else uh would like

[2:01] to speak, uh, please let us know. Seriously,

[2:04] » was I supposed to talk about the natural earth later?

[2:10] » Um, sure. We could talk if you want. Yeah, go ahead.

[2:13] » Okay. So, I'm Teresa Sesi and I'm here for Destination Elantre and we're doing

[2:19] a children friendly um summer festival at important park this weekend and we

[2:25] were hoping that um the town to be their way to sponsor us the use of the uh

[2:33] buildings there. So, anybody the there's all kinds of

[2:39] children friendly things that do not cost him anything. Adults of course do

[2:44] pay for their food like well they pay for food um and social [clears throat]

[2:51] really they pay for food and any vendors that they want but face paint the clown

[2:57] all of that is totally free for the children. No bounce houses.

[3:03] » Oh, mechanical bowl is further pretty

[3:11] with the cast time. That would be so if anybody has any questions, just let me

[3:16] know. >> Okay, we're going to try the pull off.

[3:20] » All right. I'll give you a [laughter]

[3:25] [clears throat] >> thank you. So, you're asking for a

[3:28] waiver for the fees? Yes. >> Did I wait till

[3:34] » Yeah.

[3:38] [clears throat] >> Uh Rich,

[3:48] » good evening. My name is Rich Haron. I know there's been discussion at the

[3:51] board level and elsewhere about the lack of year-round single family housing in

[3:55] the town of Oniana. I want to call to your attention that there were two

[4:00] projects for year-round single family housing the town of Oniana. Both of

[4:05] which were abandoned and they were abandoned because of the high cost

[4:08] imposed by the town of Oniana in connection to roads, streets and

[4:11] sidewalks. [clears throat] Um so the town policies

[4:16] have actually mitigated against there being uh actually brand new uh single

[4:22] family housing. The consolidated funding application has an avenue where a

[4:27] municipality can apply for funding to um underwrite the cost of or help assist

[4:33] with the cost of uh infrastructure in uh single family developments and even

[4:38] other style developments. Also, you may be aware that there's been federal

[4:43] legislation recently that was passed and signed into law or became law. And uh

[4:50] that a cornerstone of that legislation was to uh try to address u zoning issues

[4:56] that prevented there being affordable housing. the town of Onana ought to look

[5:01] at its regulations in connection with housing um as it relates to roads,

[5:07] streets, and highways and try to maybe follow the template that the federal

[5:11] legislation has set forth. Um I [clears throat] also want to call to

[5:15] your attention that we're in the process now of renovating uh a home at 13

[5:20] Raymond. It's a home that had been unoccupied for several years. It had no

[5:24] heat in it for at least two winters and probably more. had a an unpaid water

[5:29] bill running six years. I actually showed that home to the supervisor back

[5:34] in the winter um when we removed the walls which found any number of

[5:39] electrical violations which miraculously did not result in a fire but very well

[5:44] and very easily could have. There were also any number of roof leaks. Um there

[5:49] was [clears throat] mold in there. We had to we just had to gut the whole

[5:52] thing. Um, I would I want you to know that if there weren't an opportunity to

[5:58] rent to baseball, we would never get a return on investment. And even then,

[6:02] it's going to be difficult to get a return on investment.

[6:05] Um, if you decide to eliminate um that opportunity, then you're going

[6:12] to have lots of homes like that that are not renovated. Um, there are others

[6:17] right on that same street that are equally as bad. Um, one of them has a

[6:22] raccoon staring out the window at you in a photograph that they took. So, I just

[6:27] want to make you aware of that. Also, if you would like to see the home that

[6:30] we're renovating, just reach out to me. I'd be happy to arrange for a viewing.

[6:34] Thank you. >> Thank you.

[6:38] » Uh, good evening. My name is Cindy Lair. I live at 127 Ridge Drive um in the

[6:44] Woodland Water District. Believe that's on the agenda tonight to talk about the

[6:47] water quality. So I lived in my house there for 17 years and about two years

[6:51] ago I started experiencing some water quality issues. Um this is my second

[6:55] time attending a board meeting. I attended a meeting last year. So I

[6:59] started experiencing the issues about two years ago noticing brown brown water

[7:04] and a water pitcher filling up my bathtub with some brown water off color

[7:08] water. Um so it was about the same time that the town decommissioned the

[7:12] existing well and puff station because of there was a risk of that collapsing

[7:16] because of um soil undermining and the same time as the southside water mane

[7:20] projects. I know that the town has installed an auto flusher and they do

[7:24] regular water mane flushings but that's not addressing the problem to address

[7:28] the contaminants in our drinking water. Um it's my understanding that Lamont

[7:31] engineers is no longer involved. I'm a civil engineer and I work in facilities

[7:35] management and I know how long projects can take to execute from design

[7:39] procurement to awarding the construction contract and I don't see any repairs

[7:43] happening in the next year. Um I my question is do you have any funding for

[7:46] this work? Have you hired design consultant? Is there a budget timeline

[7:50] timeline? I'd like to request a special meeting with the Woodland Water uh

[7:54] district residents with the mayor, the town board and the head of the water

[7:58] department to see what the next steps are and the timeline for England

[8:01] mutation. Uh so right now you have a moratorum on data centers to to evaluate

[8:06] environmental environmental impacts. So I feel like this is an environmental

[8:10] impact and it's been going on for two years. So I just like to request that

[8:14] you live out there too. Me too. >> We agree

[8:19] with you. >> So I have some pictures. This is my pool

[8:23] that I just filled up brand new. This is what the water looks like. Same with the

[8:27] bathtub. I haven't uh drank the water in about two years. I've been buying

[8:31] drinking water for 2 years. So, I'll just leave these up here for you if you

[8:34] want to have some around. Thanks. And then we're getting ridiculous high water

[8:38] bills for ground water, which was unacceptable.

[8:41] unacceptable.

[8:45] » Yeah. What if you wanted to speak just so we all do speak up one at a time, but

[8:48] please let us know. >> So,

[8:53] because Yeah. Yeah. Just please. Yeah. Yeah. So,

[8:57] everyone can hear. Thank you. I'm Pam Horn. I live at 110 Anchor. So,

[9:02] in the past, I've lived there for like 24 years. And in the past, I had a pool.

[9:06] I haven't had a pool in many, many, many years. So, in my water bill, last year

[9:11] was outrageous. And this year, and I have like less people living in my

[9:15] house, and we're still having water, the brown water issue in the tubs when it's

[9:20] being um ran in the showers. Like she said, we can't we can't even drink the

[9:25] the water. So like when is things going to get

[9:30] resolved with this? >> Okay.

[9:35] » Yeah. >> When you're done, I just want to make

[9:36] sure you're done. >> Yeah.

[9:37] » So I'll just answer you know everyone at the same time. Uh so uh you know when I

[9:42] was made aware of this uh again two years three years is way too long in my

[9:47] opinion. Uh and so this administration uh has made it his priority. And so we

[9:52] enacted a two about two months ago we enacted a specialized emergency task

[9:57] force uh who have been working on this issue. And so, uh, the members include

[10:03] our our new lead, um, contracting, town engineer, Tigo County, uh, planning, uh,

[10:08] director is involved. Um, our water departments, many board members, our

[10:13] highway superintendent. Uh and so where we're at now for that issue is is that

[10:19] we're um uh we just got a quote to address a temporary issue of how you

[10:25] know again we're just trying to chip away at any way of how we can remediate

[10:30] it quickly. And so we just got that today. Uh and so we're going to move

[10:34] forward with that um uh to hopefully see if that would fix you know at least

[10:38] something temporarily for at least some if not all. uh but we are also um uh

[10:45] pretty much like 99% ready for an RFP to go out to address um uh the issues at a

[10:53] larger scale. So then they could provide us with um a uh kind of like a next step

[10:59] plan by before the end of the year. Uh and then um uh how they will address it

[11:05] immediately and then long term. Uh because a lot of the issues uh that our

[11:09] engineer and all involved have seen is that what the landscape of the pipes

[11:15] from from development that was done doesn't match um what we have on file.

[11:21] So now we essentially have to start all over with, you know, getting, you know,

[11:25] the pipes and the valves and all those kinds. Again, I'm not the expert by no

[11:29] means. So they're going to uh do that. Uh and then that is going to set us up

[11:34] for the next stage uh is to replace the pipes, right? So try to figure out what

[11:39] the problem is and also replace all the pipes that the board has had funding for

[11:43] for a couple of years now or a year uh uh to do that. So right now we have

[11:48] about four 4.2 2 million uh that we received a couple years ago. Uh and then

[11:54] we applied for almost another 900,000 uh with county department um uh Atgo County

[12:02] Planning Department to help offset those costs. Uh so that's kind of where we're

[12:06] at right now. Happy to do a special meeting or talk to anyone at any time

[12:10] about this um with the task force as well. Uh but that is um where we're at

[12:15] uh with that directly. Uh so hopefully I believe the the uh quote we received

[12:21] today says to start if by the end of August if not completed it by the end of

[12:26] August again I haven't read the details but [clears throat] that's just to try

[12:31] to see if I can um remediate it quickly uh and then continue on with all the

[12:37] other sites. >> So William Morio 18 drive like Cindy

[12:40] said this is my second time being at a board meeting. Uh the last time I was

[12:44] here was for the same exact thing two years ago when uh then acting supervisor

[12:50] Hollerin dil diligently worked with everybody that was in that neighborhood

[12:55] to get the funding that you've had for two years but nothing's been done.

[12:59] Nobody's done anything. We're getting outrageous water bills as Pam has said

[13:03] and everybody else here will attest to will show you his filter that in 3

[13:08] minutes turns disgustingly brown. We will show you our our bills for the

[13:13] water that we have to purchase because we have to drink the filters we have to

[13:15] put in our refrigerators or anything else in our house, our water filters.

[13:19] And nobody hears you, Patricia, Greg, the only two that were here two years

[13:23] ago. Nothing was done. Brett had it set up that it was going to be taken care

[13:27] of. He came, he visited the people there. He had talked to everybody. You

[13:32] looked at what was wrong with this problem. You contacted the proper

[13:35] people. And now your answer is, "We'll do a survey and we'll figure things

[13:38] out." That's not good enough for the people that are here. If you'd like to

[13:42] come over and have a drink, come over, have a drink. I'll pour it right through

[13:44] the faucet. Any one of you, I'll go I'll go home and get it to you.

[13:47] [clears throat] If you'd like, if you want my water bill to be through the

[13:50] roof like it is, I'll bring 200 gallons. Let's bring it to the Allstar Village

[13:53] and let them have it. All right. Let's let's we're bringing people into the

[13:56] community. Let them have dirty and disgusting. But instead, we make videos

[13:59] with them saying, "Hey, look at us. Look at town of not our water bills. Don't go

[14:04] to Angel Heights. You don't want to do that." Yeah. [clears throat]

[14:07] » And then we're replacing our hot water heaters and and it's on to us. So that's

[14:11] our cost >> just so that we follow processes one at

[14:15] a time. Um and uh let's make sure that everyone has a turn as well. Thank you.

[14:20] Uh so just to answer again, you know, completely unacceptable by any means and

[14:25] you know, but this board uh is is is moving forward uh with that uh uh as

[14:31] well. So um so when do you expect a solution? I I I honestly I can't answer

[14:36] that. I can't answer that. We That's why we hired the experts to do that. Um that

[14:40] we hired again two years ago. What was that?

[14:42] » That we hired the same experts from two years ago. Um

[14:45] » again, I don't know anything about the plan. I would have asked the previous

[14:48] board members to jump in and Brett since he you know shared that he's very

[14:51] involved in that previously. Um but um but that's you know that's currently the

[14:56] plan that the task force has incited. um all the board me I mean three of the

[15:00] board me four of us were at that meeting uh the last meeting to determine those

[15:05] next steps um uh and so that's where we're at with that but even if we were

[15:10] to replace the pipes I mean that could take several years um as well but we're

[15:14] trying to make sure that we have an emergency plan while we're planning to

[15:19] replace the pipes as well so we're doing all those

[15:22] said >> maybe we should

[15:26] maybe we shouldn't be paying for Maybe that's a good idea.

[15:28] » Yeah, I mean we the board can certainly discuss that

[15:32] happen. >> We're not using we're not using our

[15:34] waterway as it's intended to be. >> Um I wanted to say and it's not a survey

[15:40] but there's a recently formed will tasked us with doing that. The woodland

[15:45] water um district um uh committee [clears throat] we're

[15:50] addressing it in particular we have Alex Herman engineer. he has come up with a

[15:55] request for proposal. Um, and it's for a diagnosis, a quick diagnosis as quick as

[16:01] we can. Um, we gave a date to approve that would go out to bid uh an request

[16:08] for proposal and then we would approve it. Uh, hopefully um and we can fast

[16:13] track getting a diagnosis done for your um water

[16:18] uh to figure out the origin. Uh, constantly it's being flushed, checked.

[16:22] Please let Jared Hoteling the water operator know if he doesn't know that

[16:27] you have brown water because he's running like in putting out fires. He's

[16:32] just keep track of where it is and it's it's a mystery that we're trying to

[16:36] piece the puzzle together. But hopefully this request for proposal to get a

[16:41] diagnosis will give us a quicker

[16:46] » sir. Sir, hold on. Just hold on. >> She's asking she's asking a question.

[16:50] » Hold on. She's still talking. >> Okay. I just wanted to make she maybe

[16:53] she asked a question. So >> sir, hold on.

[16:56] » Yeah, I appreciate that. So finish and then you can start. Thank you.

[17:00] » But please let uh please let him know. You can call Nicole or Jared. Just give

[17:05] the address, give the name just so they know um where the the problem is. And

[17:10] they they're running out. Like I said, they're trying their best to put out

[17:13] fires and they've been reaching out to Department of Health, other agencies. Um

[17:18] but let's hope and pray this is what we believe will give us the answer of the

[17:23] diagnosis. Um and this was just uh reviewed by the committee will sat in on

[17:28] that as well and we all uh fasttracked it as quickly as we could with dates so

[17:34] we could get to the bottom of it to get to an answer because uh you know we're

[17:39] just doing the best we can. Thank you. Okay, points then. Number one, then what

[17:44] was what did we waste our money on two years ago when they diagnosed the

[17:47] problem? That's my first question. And number two is to the people here that

[17:50] live in that area. How many people have had water in the last two ground water

[17:54] in the last two weeks? That'll show you your there's your your people telling

[17:58] you what's going on in their their neighborhood. It happens every single

[18:03] day or at least once or twice a week. Some people have it consistently, other

[18:07] people have it intermittently, but it's happening all the time. Yeah. So, for

[18:11] those again that are here that may have not contacted our our Jared, our our

[18:16] water director, please contact him and let him know so he can um uh you know

[18:21] have that on his uh itinerary to look at uh check out maybe flushing whatever it

[18:27] is. But if he doesn't know that your house has ground water, right, then he's

[18:32] not able to determine that as we are looking at all the diagnosis and all the

[18:35] possibilities. So, please just let him know.

[18:39] Good. >> So, do you think that this task force

[18:42] can send out a letter to everybody in the Woodland Water District to collect

[18:48] that information? And then I am going to follow up with Alex Herman and um Jared

[18:55] about setting up that special meeting maybe after you initiate your study,

[19:01] your diagnosis. So I'm happy to like I mean they I'm I'm

[19:07] happy to enact that and and do a special meeting

[19:10] because I'm going to do that right to do that anytime and honestly meet with

[19:15] anyone uh talk with anyone anytime. Uh so we can certainly do that um as well

[19:20] and keep you all updated um and send a letter out. Um I wish you had a better

[19:25] way of communicating like more directly like a like an immediate like text

[19:28] message you know thing or something but uh uh we will figure that all out though

[19:33] shortly. Okay. >> Um who do we talk to about adjusting our

[19:37] water bill then or discussing why it's so high like what can they do for that?

[19:42] Who do I who do I talk to about? >> So you can speak with uh Nicole Camarada

[19:46] uh and um she will um share that with us uh and then we will discuss that as a

[19:51] board next step. But I do want to say I think a lot of

[19:54] the um I think a lot of the things with regarding the high water bills too is

[20:00] that now u many of us myself included we all have gotten um updated meters and so

[20:06] those meters are um not as they're a lot more uh efficient versus what maybe was

[20:13] like being rated at 3 years ago two years ago. So that could be the problem

[20:18] uh and and why we're seeing the difference. Obviously, William Ward is

[20:21] in a whole different situation with their word of use and being able to use

[20:25] it period. Uh, but that could I know a lot of others have seen that change

[20:30] because of the manageers too.

[20:34] » I [clears throat] just want to make a couple points. Um, when Brett was the

[20:38] interim supervisor, him and I, um, Pete Andrews, probably a

[20:44] lot of people know Pete Andrews who was our water operator for many years.

[20:49] So, [clears throat]

[20:52] new on the board, new position for Brett being in charge. As we found out,

[20:59] [clears throat] the drawings that we have were not correct. So, the developer

[21:04] that developed that district didn't have good plans. Okay. So, that's where some

[21:10] of the issues lie. When we're trying to cut off that water tank out there, we're

[21:15] we've dug up I don't know, three times. three times in different locations there

[21:20] to cut that off. We thought that worked for a little while. People, we didn't

[21:26] hear from anybody. Um they bought an auto flusher, started flushing um two of

[21:33] one in front of a car residence, then they put one behind the car residence to

[21:37] try getting the pipe coming from both directions. Yeah. Um both were to go off

[21:41] every night uh and every morning. Uh the one behind the car residence was figured

[21:46] out what time they use their water so we can put it on on a timer so it go off um

[21:52] before the morning so they could try flushing out that line. That obviously

[21:55] didn't work either. Um we also uh met with some chemists to see if our water

[22:01] chemistry was incorrect. Uh because the new wells are deeper than the old wells.

[22:08] it's possible we're in different water and if we're using the same chemistry

[22:12] that we used previously uh it could be causing um slop off the pipes. Um we

[22:19] also looked at the fact that we reverse the flow of the water when we switched

[22:24] uh wells which is a very likely uh cause because you have water going in a

[22:31] direction for so many years and things do build up on the inside of those pipes

[22:34] especially because of the type of pipe. It's a transite pipe which is a concrete

[22:38] uh speestous built pipe. Um it it it probably if it was an 8 in pipe it

[22:43] probably down to six at this point maybe less. Um now you reverse that things are

[22:48] going to start coming off and based on different flows if a lot of people are

[22:51] using them more things might start coming off as the flow increases. We

[22:55] also have higher water pressure because of the new wells and the new pumps.

[22:59] Before we were the old Woodland Water District was a very archaic system. Um I

[23:04] was quite shocked when I went to visit it um that we were serving public water

[23:07] from that system. Ironically, we were getting cleaner water. Um however,

[23:12] nevertheless, we went down all those things and spent as you're aware uh we

[23:17] did we we got uh New York Rural Water to come out and uh they came up with a plan

[23:22] for directional flushing uh because the flushing had not been done regularly

[23:27] which may have slowly caused this problem over the years. without

[23:32] [clears throat] regular flushing. Uh when you flush you the idea is to pull

[23:35] all those things out of the pipes. Um and it wasn't being done regularly for

[23:39] many years. So the buildup was there and um we so they came up with a plan of how

[23:45] to directional flush and get it out of the low points. But again, we don't know

[23:49] exactly where all the low points are because those maps are absurdly wrong.

[23:54] Uh those are the maps we were given uh from the developers of Angelikes. Uh,

[23:58] and that's all we can go by because they're transite pipes. Locating them,

[24:02] usually you use a water locator with metal. You can't locate concrete. Um,

[24:08] you can get a good idea. Uh, they didn't use tracers in all the areas. So, we

[24:12] were, you know, we're kind of clueless. We're shooting, you know, we're shooting

[24:16] wine in that respect. So, those those are what we did. And and having that

[24:20] time, we also uh were able to secure $4.2 million for materials for um new

[24:26] pipes and another I thought it was a million from Sego

[24:30] County. Um >> yeah. Well, we're still waiting to hear

[24:33] back for that one. >> Uh for for making it 5.2 and at the time

[24:37] Lamont had estimated the project um in the 65 range. Uh so we were short a

[24:44] little bit, but that that wasn't the end of the world. That's that's where we

[24:47] were effectively left off.

[24:52] » So those are the efforts. So you're aware there's things that have been

[24:55] going on that people did not see. um such as, you know, trying to figure the

[24:59] water chemistry. Are are the are are the wells set too deep? Maybe the pumps

[25:04] could be brought up a little bit to get in a different vein of water. Um so

[25:08] there's a lot of things going on that that were going on. Um in order to try

[25:13] to figure this out, I I personally think the only solution now is replace the

[25:17] pipes. Um but I'm not an engineer, >> but but I I think because you actually

[25:22] drill the pipes, we could probably do it rather rather quickly.

[25:28] » [clears throat] >> Shane Shane Bench for the Department of

[25:31] Health. He's been out there uh working with Alex. Um we come up with a maybe a

[25:38] shortterm solution that on Angel Drive that we're going to put another flusher

[25:44] out there. So you might see see some action in the next few weeks here by the

[25:49] end of August. So that might help that. We think that's a low spot there and

[25:54] that's where it's all being collected. So, you know, that's a hopefully another

[26:01] easier solution. Um, and then RF to go out to actually diagnose what's going on

[26:08] um to get to the next step is critical. Um, because if not, we're going to be

[26:14] spending all your money um on engineering fees to replace the pipes.

[26:19] And what if we don't what if we replace all the pipes and we don't have that's

[26:23] not the issue. What if it's the wells? So it's it's a whole it's a launch that

[26:28] we've been meaning for every two months. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[26:33] » And I think that you know the ultimate goal is obviously we replace the pipes

[26:36] but again like Joe said we it all can happen and then we don't even know if

[26:41] that's going to fix it, right? And we just wasted all that money. Uh because

[26:45] as they all said, you know, we had we none of us have the documents for uh the

[26:50] plans that are correct. It wasn't done. You know, we don't know. And so we need

[26:54] to understand what's there, what's wrong, making sure we're fixing it

[26:58] correctly the first time. Uh and so we're not in this situation. And so we

[27:02] have to have all of these things ready to go. Um uh and um you know, again, I

[27:08] if I was in living where you are and have the same thing, I wish it was done

[27:11] two years ago. But this is just, you know, what we uh um are faced with now

[27:17] um of this administration and we're tackling it as quickly as we can with

[27:21] the resources we have. And I know we all, you know, contacted everyone within

[27:26] the county, federal, statewide for help and services. Um uh um uh so you know,

[27:34] your frustrations are are heard. I I hear them all the time. the ecos that

[27:39] called or email I spoke to. Um, and I share that always with those who could

[27:44] possibly help. Um, uh, so that's kind of where we're at now. Um, and hopefully,

[27:49] you know, the fix by the end of the month, you know, maybe we'll see some uh

[27:54] better days. >> My name is Thomas Patterson. I live in

[27:58] 103 Woodland, which is the complete opposite end of the neighborhood as

[28:02] these people live on. And I here's a water filter I change out from my house.

[28:07] Once a month I change this out. I had um she has a photo of it. It was 3 minutes

[28:13] which is approximately seven gallons in change. It'll look just like that. Um so

[28:19] like as far as contacting when you touched on we have to contact the water

[28:23] department. You can just assume it's the entire neighborhood.

[28:26] » It's every every single person I've ever spoken to.

[28:29] » Okay. Um, it's not just an isolated incident like that's a low point over

[28:33] there. It's the entire It's everyone. >> Yeah. Why is it on us? I'm along this

[28:39] way. Why is it on us to have to keep reaching out? We already reached out two

[28:43] years ago and said this is an issue in this neighborhood. If you don't hear

[28:47] from us for a while, it's probably because we're frustrated. It's been 2

[28:49] years and nothing's happened and we don't know what's going on. So, it

[28:53] shouldn't be on us to constantly be reaching out saying, "I have brown

[28:56] water." It's every day. It's the whole neighborhood. you've already

[28:58] communicated. >> Yeah. So that again that wasn't

[29:01] communicated to me. I've never known it was never told to me that it was the

[29:04] whole neighborhood. I'm happy to go around and knock on everyone's doors and

[29:09] talk to everyone and share the knowledge. Uh but you know it was just

[29:14] select few houses that again would what I what was shared with me um since I've

[29:19] been here. Uh but um even so the plan is for the whole neighborhood for the whole

[29:24] district to do that. But I'm happy to go to every door, survey, ask um uh and and

[29:30] do that myself. So >> has a spreadsheet if you want to look at

[29:34] it from anyone that had a complaint. She's kept a spreadsheet since last year

[29:38] of every call and every residence that has called. So you could ask her if she

[29:42] has a >> but I agree with this survey would

[29:45] really help. >> Yeah.

[29:46] » And it could be a multitude of questions. You know, do you have a

[29:49] filter system? Is it dirty? You know, water pressure, all that. I think

[29:53] » Yeah, we can do I think I think we'll come up with a survey and if you guys

[29:57] don't mind emailing some of the questions that you would like to see on

[30:00] that survey, it' be great. >> Sir,

[30:03] » could you pass that around please? >> Yeah, we we put in this filter system

[30:09] because of this water issue. >> In May of 24 is when I installed the

[30:12] filter. >> No, this is a this is a white filter.

[30:17] [clears throat] >> Is it a charcoal filter itself?

[30:20] » No, no, no. It's just a whole house water filter. Like you put it in, right?

[30:23] I have it right installed where it's not charcoal, but there's

[30:27] » I know you're talking, but No, there's no charcoal. No.

[30:30] » And you said 103 wood. >> Yes.

[30:32] » So, I had it installed on the on the lead side of the house. So, everything

[30:35] in my house was protected because I had just installed a new water heater

[30:40] uh boiler system. And I was I my water was um my faucets were starting to run

[30:48] slow. So, I pulled out the cartridge and they're completely like that. And so I

[30:53] installed this at about five months in and I've been, you know, 12 bucks a door

[30:58] [cough and clears throat] they go. But I I'm just trying to protect everything in

[31:02] my house and I'm not I'm not going to drink that. So now the the only water

[31:06] that I ever drink out of my house is coming from my fridge as well, which is

[31:09] filtered again. >> How long was it?

[31:13] » That that was one month. >> Okay.

[31:17] Sometimes it's two weeks, [clears throat]

[31:20] » but generally it's about I mean what and the only reason why I swap it out is cuz

[31:24] like the water just becomes a trickle. >> This is we changed the filter and this

[31:29] was 3 minutes [clears throat] after >> this is 3 minutes after I changed that

[31:32] filter. And just water. >> Just so you know as well I have asked

[31:36] everyone who can give us money that you know with about the situation letting

[31:41] them know hey can we cover emergency money for their appliances all

[31:47] these other things but in their eyes under the guidelines it's not it's not

[31:51] falling but I will continue to advocate and ask for the money and keep pushing.

[31:57] That's three minutes. >> And the whole thing I can't do is all

[31:59] the testing get it gets tested every day.

[32:02] » I was three minutes after >> and you know all the testing comes back

[32:06] with no damage. >> What's causing it? What is it? You I

[32:11] lost my call.

[32:14] » I know. >> I'm sorry that I have to call her. I

[32:17] feel horrible beating her up. She's the secretary. She shouldn't have to feel

[32:22] these damn calls. >> I know. So, I came over. I picked up the

[32:27] water samples. I took them to my neighbor. Although I think Jared should

[32:32] have done it, but I did it for him. I took the samples. I brought them back

[32:37] over. And I get a email from Nicole, my friend. Not from Jared, who says, "The

[32:44] water's fine to drink. He still hasn't watched me." I don't [laughter]

[32:50] I don't know what he does. So, so just so you I did aderondic

[32:56] testing which is out of Alman or Saratoga area do an absolute full

[33:01] spectrum test of the water [clears throat] and they said it came

[33:06] back safe to drink. Now Tiffany Carr brought me a bottle of water from her

[33:10] house uh which I've had next to my coffee maker for almost two years. So

[33:15] and my wife keeps saying will you please take that damn bottle off off the

[33:18] counter. I said, "Well, that's I need to remind myself that this is what their

[33:22] water looks like. It's not my fault." >> Tell this gentleman when he joined your

[33:26] group, they're having bad water. I mean, you guys knew that we've been here.

[33:32] » I don't know how you you can sit there. So, you didn't know anything about this

[33:36] when you came on board. >> I I'm certainly I do not and I'm

[33:40] certainly as soon as I did, we're addressing it as a group. Um, and you

[33:44] know, together we're doing it. Everyone here is helping uh with it. Again, I'm

[33:48] asking I've been advocating reaching out to everyone for all emergency monies,

[33:52] letting them everyone know about your appliances, you know, um the bottled

[33:57] water, everything. And and the response I get is is that um you know, is it

[34:03] unsafe to drink? Do you have boil water advisories? And I share how dark it is

[34:07] and the issues with the border, but that under their guidelines, it doesn't

[34:11] equate to an emergency. But again, I know that it is

[34:16] based on everything that I've heard previously and obviously here today that

[34:20] it is an emergency. But those that have access to the resources to help us um uh

[34:25] their guidelines as we say it is. And so I will continue to advocate and share

[34:29] these stories um and push for them to you know hopefully uh assist with any

[34:35] emergency funding as well. Um uh but again, you know, this is what we're as a

[34:39] whole right now trying to do it again emergency level and then diagnosing and

[34:45] then long-term solution. >> We should not have to pay our water

[34:48] bills until this is resolved. >> I mean, we all we can certainly discuss

[34:53] that as a board. I don't know what you know the legalities or or um how that

[34:58] works, but certainly discuss that. $300 a year I'm buying paying for water.

[35:06] » Exactly. >> It's ridiculous. I'm on a fixed income.

[35:09] I shouldn't have to pay your water bill plus $300 for my bottled water.

[35:16] It just I don't understand how it can go on this long and nobody's going to get a

[35:21] poop. You truly don't. you're just jerking around and the cost of

[35:27] everything else is going to go up before you get these things started.

[35:34] I just want to say I hear I hear your frustration. Um I know I mean at least

[35:38] with myself and everyone here uh is this is an emergency with us. We are

[35:42] addressing it as quickly as we can with the resources we have. Um and we're

[35:48] continue to diagnose it. Um I I think you know hopefully this quick step uh

[35:53] that that's going to be done solves the problem the bigger problem. Uh but uh if

[35:58] that doesn't fix it you know that the task force is going to work on another

[36:01] thing while we're doing all the other long-term issues like we're you know all

[36:06] the things that Brett shared that he him and Joe did last year uh you know all

[36:10] these things are just other ways we're trying to chip away to figure out

[36:14] anything while we're working towards the long-term solution. And and as far

[36:17] [clears throat] as that long-term solution, I mean, it took me about 3 4

[36:21] months just to even get a hold of anyone at at the HUD office who oversees this

[36:26] federal money uh because uh there were no one working there because cutbacks at

[36:31] the federal government. And so I had to ask for help uh from uh um Senator Chuck

[36:36] Schumer and Congressman Josh Riley who got me connected with individuals uh and

[36:41] getting get us all set up and ready to go uh for that. Um uh but you know

[36:45] that's the plan is to do this and then um continuously try all these other

[36:50] little steps that the group keeps you know coming together on um while

[36:54] ultimately replacing the pipes.

[37:01] » And I just got to throw this out on the board. If there's some way I I I know

[37:05] the water's been tested many times, but if there's some way that part of that

[37:11] filter the the good on that filter could be set for an analysis so we can see if

[37:16] it's organic and organic and what that chemical composition might be because

[37:21] you know I mean it's kind there it's concentrated in your small jar water

[37:26] dissipates it out

[37:30] » cuz that that looks like a really good example of what it They pick up the

[37:33] screws. >> It looks like that every single every

[37:36] time I change it. It's the same thing. It's like like slime almost.

[37:41] » I think they pick up the water Thursday. Is that Thursday?

[37:47] » So we can get that tomorrow. >> Tomorrow they'll be down there.

[37:55] Do you mind why we keep that? I have plenty more coming.

[38:00] [clears throat] [laughter]

[38:03] » I know. >> I have one right now. I can The one I

[38:07] just showed you. I can swap it out right now.

[38:10] » What What size? Do you know what size filter that is? It looks like it's under

[38:13] five microns. It looks like a two micron filter.

[38:17] » And it's got a picture of that thing. >> I'll tell you.

[38:23] » I can't read it. I don't have my glasses on. tell you what.

[38:30] [clears throat]

[38:34] » So, does your RFP for the diagnosis include as build documentation of the

[38:41] existing piping infrastructure? Is that because it probably should be?

[38:47] » I we can certainly confirm with the engineer and and and go with that. I

[38:51] mean, so with that, like so, you know, they're going to look at um like

[38:55] literally everything, all the wells, pipes, um soil, um I mean, I'm pretty

[39:01] sure it's how things were, you know, actually Lamont built that system, how

[39:06] that was built, >> right?

[39:08] » You know, how how do they determine the hook into it, how that procedure was.

[39:13] We're going to look at all that. >> Okay. Yep. It says review of available

[39:16] drawings as built information and prior improvement records including

[39:20] documentation warehouse division storage tape. So [clears throat] that's just so

[39:26] some of the things that you you listed are in the scope of the services. Okay.

[39:33] [clears throat] >> Um my name is Julie Boyd. I live at 136

[39:36] Angel Drive. Uh we a majority of us were here a year ago and now I'm hearing that

[39:43] only two months ago this was made an emergency.

[39:46] I do want to commend Brett for the work that he did

[39:50] » when they were switching out the pipes. He was there for hours after they were

[39:55] doing it after he worked a full-time day job.

[39:59] Um, I two hours ago, probably maybe three, sent all of you an email

[40:08] with pictures from our toilet tank,

[40:14] » which is right here. >> I sent everyone.

[40:25] » And when you wipe it out,

[40:29] I also um will if you remember back in the

[40:34] spring I came to Nicole's office with my coffee reservoir which was orange.

[40:41] [clears throat] I think that all of us have been quite patient,

[40:46] albeit very frustrated with

[40:53] the lack of things being done. I know you I know

[40:59] that things are being done, but it's not it's not acceptable. It's not

[41:06] acceptable for the amount of money that we are paying out for water. that is not

[41:10] good. And the amount of money that we are spending to drink water,

[41:18] I I just I I I'm kind of speechless. You might as well just double our water bill

[41:25] for what we're paying. [clears throat] >> Maybe we should go to Maybe we should go

[41:31] to the TV station. I don't know. >> I just think that we need to make this

[41:36] more of an initiative. People realize >> Julie changed it at all.

[41:44] » Julie, your email, did anyone else get her email? I didn't get it. May it may

[41:48] have been just because there's too many pictures and didn't go through, but just

[41:51] » I sent four pictures. It should have gone through.

[41:53] » We didn't get none of us got the email. >> Yeah. Just want to make sure you know

[41:57] that. >> Spam. Can you send it? If you send it to

[42:01] the clerk, we can distribute it. >> Yeah. Just want to make sure you're

[42:04] aware that we didn't get anything. keep track of if we didn't get it.

[42:07] » Yeah. I just want to make sure you know that.

[42:10] » I just want to make sure you know that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Or you can just send it to

[42:13] me individually and I'll make sure we all get it or whoever Ryan um if that's

[42:17] the case. >> Um [clears throat]

[42:19] » Teresa, it's 30.

[42:23] » So for me, I'm not an engineer, but what does RFP stand for?

[42:28] » Oh, it's a a request a request for proposal. So, so what'll happen is is

[42:32] you know with with municip with with municipal money you know we're bound by

[42:37] uh state law. So we have to uh put out an RFP request for proposals uh with

[42:42] everything that we want the full scope uh and then um you know other engineers

[42:48] or construction individuals or some sort of vendor or contractor then will bid on

[42:54] that RFP or that project scope. uh and then we um uh get them and then you know

[43:00] we select the right person for it based on whatever criteria that's established.

[43:05] But that's what that means. >> Okay. And I just like I said it's not

[43:10] like all of us has been have been banging on the door making a whole lot

[43:15] of commotion at every board meeting. Please know that

[43:20] we are frustrated beyond frustrated. And just because you don't hear from us

[43:25] doesn't mean that everything is hunky dory and

[43:29] everything's peach and candy because it's not. And I think we're just beyond

[43:34] frustrated and we feel like we're not being heard and it's not a priority. I

[43:42] » well even though you said you made an emergency task force for it but it's we

[43:48] just don't feel like it's been a priority.

[43:50] » Yeah. I can tell you 1,000% is that I have shared with everyone um you know

[43:56] there have been other projects that have come up and I and I've shared this and

[43:59] said we can we should be focusing in on that because Woodland doesn't have

[44:03] water, right? this is our priority as a board and so um we all here feel the

[44:08] same way and understand that and so we're going to continue to work towards

[44:13] uh hopefully a quick goal of fixing this um while we are looking at all the other

[44:18] long-term goals. Uh but if one thing isn't fixed, we're going to continuously

[44:22] uh do something else. And so this has been something we've been working on

[44:26] honestly daily uh um within the task force, but we'll continue to we're going

[44:31] to continue to do it. If it's not this one thing that we hopefully will fix it,

[44:36] we're going to continue to do something else.

[44:37] » Okay. And just to follow up on a comment you made before about trying to get

[44:43] communication out to people, we can still do snail mail. There is such a

[44:48] thing in today's technology called automotive.

[44:51] I worked in the Omni City School District for 25 years in the IT

[44:56] department. They you can you can you can buy a program to put everyone's phone

[45:02] numbers in so you can send out a call to us.

[45:05] » Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we don't have that yet and so certainly want to look

[45:09] into that. Um >> the reverse

[45:12] » they would No, we tried. They wouldn't let us.

[45:15] » They used it last year. >> Big signs on the door. What door?

[45:21] » Yeah. I mean that was >> big told me we asked him to know.

[45:24] because it's not about that >> that you you guys were running around

[45:28] like chickens with your head cut off. I mean that that was just some

[45:33] » Yeah, that so there are different >> No, we we'll definitely do that. um uh

[45:38] and um figure out >> and I I guess I could say that's one of

[45:43] our biggest frustrations too is just like Sheila said,

[45:47] » nobody's communicating with us and it shouldn't be up to us to continually or

[45:52] constantly check the check the website. Not a lot of people think of that. I

[45:58] mean, we kind of feel like we're having do they we're having to follow up on

[46:04] everything and and nobody's following up with us.

[46:09] » I will make sure that if I may make a suggestion, uh I know water building

[46:14] software does have capability. So you would provide the

[46:20] call with email that might be the best way to

[46:26] uh via email. >> Yeah. So we'll look at all options.

[46:30] Again, if it's a matter of just going down there once a month and sharing

[46:34] letters or dropping things off or, you know, putting letters in the mail, we

[46:38] could do all those things. So we will we'll figure out as a task force of how

[46:41] we want to communicate everything that we're working on.

[46:44] to that when when we were here when two years ago I believe it was Randy whoever

[46:49] his name was was the town supervisor and when everybody was making a point and

[46:54] not having any communication um they had stated at a town board meeting that they

[46:59] were going to sign up for Nixel the same thing that the city uses to alert all of

[47:04] the town users that town people in the town they could sign up and get alerts

[47:08] and that was never >> I could actually can answer that uh we

[47:12] did look into problem with Nixl is because the town surrounds the city.

[47:17] Nixel works in in concentric circles, it works its way out uh for your geographic

[47:22] area. Uh the only way that work for us is we'd have to notify everybody in the

[47:27] city too. Um I don't know if you if you understand what I'm saying like yeah

[47:31] like you put a circle on something and it could notify that person. Now since

[47:35] the town's already there's no way to blank out that circle and do that. So we

[47:39] did look into that. Um, and that just was a dead end for us.

[47:46] » Well, as this gentleman just had mentioned, like we I get my water bill

[47:50] electronically. You can't [clears throat] communicate through that

[47:53] same system. >> I will definitely look into it now.

[47:56] Yeah. Didn't even know about it. So, I would definitely look into it.

[47:59] » If you have your Gmail register with your account, we'll shoot you a way to

[48:05] » and I'll even, you know, call special meeting um as well just so that we can

[48:09] spend more time. um just like more in like a non business

[48:14] format, you know what I mean? So, >> and I do appreciate what you guys have

[48:17] done and if you're not like completely ignoring it, I get it. But like we live

[48:21] it every day. So, and there's many people there that I mean their houses

[48:25] are on the market so they want to talk about it. You can't sell a house if you

[48:28] can't be on board, >> you know, and it's just so those people

[48:34] are definitely not going to reach out to you. Um,

[48:38] » I think overcommunicating with everyone in the Woodland Water District about

[48:42] everything you're doing will go a long way to help alleviate some of this

[48:45] hostility that you're receiving because like we don't even know you have a task

[48:49] force set up, right? I mean, so I think a lot Brett just gave a great

[48:53] explanation of everything that had been done. I mean, those of us who are lucky

[48:57] to know him on a personal level maybe got wind into some of that as it was

[49:00] happening, but most of the other people don't have any idea what's going on. I

[49:04] think that's probably been the biggest frustration over the last two years

[49:07] because we don't get any of the information. We assume we're making

[49:11] » Yeah. I'll make sure that we do better. >> And also we meet the first Tuesday of

[49:17] every month at 2:45. You're more than welcome.

[49:25] even if you got one person in the neighborhood, you know, so we can have

[49:28] but I'll make sure that we we'll bring out the minutes and drop them off, you

[49:32] know, or whatever it is we have to do so that you're all aware of it as well.

[49:34] Trust me, I understand that everyone works and uh and and trying to

[49:40] accommodate that versus other places that have their meetings at 10:00. hope

[49:43] uh which the working people doesn't work out for that but we will make sure that

[49:47] we get that minutes and information out to you uh quicker

[49:52] also [clears throat] like I said as soon as somebody puts in

[49:55] a report usually someone's right like right on it like putting out fires

[49:59] running over the water operator so please uh it would be good if you'd just

[50:04] let him know again or call here >> everybody

[50:10] it's the whole every single hospital it's So crazy because some of the

[50:14] neighbors aren't. So if we just try to get the target areas,

[50:17] » walk my dog. I haven't talked to one person that hasn't had the problem.

[50:21] » Walk them every day.

[50:26] That's what you're saying. I mean, there's people that like they're they're

[50:28] afraid they're going to lose their property value. That's part of it, you

[50:32] know. So they're not willing to be forthright and come up and say that.

[50:38] » Which I mean that's a legit concern for sure. Mhm.

[50:41] » You know, you spent all your life paying for this house that's worth junk if you

[50:45] can't get water.

[50:52] » Food for Thank you all for sharing that. Um uh

[50:58] anyone else before we move on? And just so we all know, there's also another uh

[51:03] privilege of the floor at the end of the meeting as well. uh but um uh we do have

[51:07] to conduct business but I will honor those who are business now

[51:11] » different topic um just I think if I share this now maybe they'll be answered

[51:16] later or can be answered in presentations that come up later um

[51:20] regarding the application by the all-star village just some things that I

[51:24] noted where they say there's no increase in traffic so part of me is saying well

[51:29] why do we need all these new parking spaces that there's no increase traffic

[51:32] and I hear they are expanding so that kind of caught my eye in the application

[51:37] because I know that impacts the infrastructure which is why I'm sure

[51:40] that that's being asked or what impact that might have um

[51:45] and I'm thinking it would go through um DEC or something. Anyway, just that they

[51:51] did note that they're adjacent to wetland waterway but supposedly it's not

[51:55] supposed to be impacted. Again, I have to trust that you guys are

[51:59] going to follow procedure and application process and review processes

[52:04] for that. But that's always a big concern when you're hearing about water

[52:07] things here. And you know, one other um area that's impacted with negative water

[52:10] problems. Um so those are kind of my questions there. And I I don't know if

[52:15] they have in their project. I didn't see that. Um there really should be a

[52:20] walkway that created that goal or not through. Um, and then also, um, I'd be

[52:28] curious to know if you're going to talk about it when you noted on there, um,

[52:32] you requested a review in regard to the distribution of tax revenue and how

[52:37] little comes to the town of Oni. I wonder if somewhere there's a breakdown

[52:40] of where it all goes because what was shared on there, it's such a minimum

[52:45] amount that's coming to the town of Oni. So, I'm glad that that's being looked

[52:49] into, but because that is really concerning.

[52:51] » Yeah. Um, go ahead. >> Okay. Yeah. because I don't expect you

[52:54] to answer it right now. Maybe, you know, as things come up in the board meeting.

[52:59] Um, solar power. Um, I guess my thought would be on that

[53:04] if we're getting solar power that any plan would include costs that might be

[53:10] incurred when or not might that are incurred when those solar panels expire

[53:16] and to dispose of them in a way that is um what I say

[53:23] environmentally sound. Thank you. um because that's not a good part of solar

[53:28] pan or paddles and you know if we're saying we're using them because of the

[53:33] footprint and you know the benefit of that well then part of the plan needs to

[53:37] include how we're going to dispose of them in environmental sound like as much

[53:41] as we can I don't know >> how safe that can be

[53:45] » some of your questions should be you'll hear more about them

[53:47] » okay just so you're aware >> so I thought if I toss them out now as

[53:53] those things came up share that out. So, but that's all I

[53:57] have. >> Oh, I can say Vermon 19 Shepard. Yeah,

[54:00] I'm sorry. >> No, Vermont, you want to come in and

[54:02] share? >> Okay, please.

[54:03] » Same subject. Um, my name is Douglas Hamless. This is my wife, Cheryl. We

[54:08] live at 676 County Highway 35, which isn't even in the town of Onion. It's in

[54:14] the town of uh Milford, but we got a substantial amount of baseball rental

[54:19] pressure in our neighborhood, which is a secondary impact. And so we're uh aware

[54:25] of and concerned about the proposed Allstar Village expansion. And Mr.

[54:29] Supervisor, we saw your letter imploring transparency and we applaud that. I

[54:35] actually made an appointment to review the records uh today at the code

[54:39] enforcement office and Ryan and Wendy were very helpful, but I don't think

[54:45] they've been given all the records and I don't think they've been given uh the

[54:50] most upto-date uh records. Um for instance, none of the parking lot

[54:56] expansion records are posted uh on site nor the zone change application. and

[55:01] it's all part of the uh all part of the same uh application. Um so we're looking

[55:07] at a and I realize this is the planning board but Mr. Supervisor since you made

[55:12] an issue of transparency I wanted you and the board to understand I've tried

[55:17] to look into this and I've not only not been able to see all the documents but

[55:21] the documents that I have seen are outdated. So, it's difficult for the

[55:26] public to prepare for a public meeting before the planning board next week when

[55:31] the relevant documents are not online and are not even available at uh um uh

[55:38] at the code enforcement office. So, I don't want to throw shade at anyone,

[55:41] Ryan or Wendy. They're very helpful. I want you as a town board to know that

[55:46] I'm trying to look into this and it's more opaque than transparent. Um

[55:54] I I did see though that it requires a zone change which is done by local law

[55:58] and that's your cost to bear. That means you're an involved agency under SRA and

[56:04] you're eligible to serve as the lead agency. Now typically for normal routine

[56:09] development projects, the planning board serves as lead agents. but with actions

[56:15] that have the potential to affect or further affect the character of

[56:20] community. It's often appropriate for the elected officials to serve as the

[56:25] lead agency to oversee the secret review. And I've tried to look through

[56:29] your minutes. I have not seen a resolution where you consented to the

[56:34] planning board be lead agency. So if that has not occurred, I I submit that

[56:40] you should strongly consider uh asserting lead agency status for this

[56:45] project because it is not a routine uh development project. Um so I

[56:52] [clears throat] understand you have it on the agenda to talk about it a little

[56:55] more. I I'm certainly going to stay and uh listen to that. But if part of it is

[57:02] you know the planning board asking your consent to be the seeker lead agency

[57:07] which is a very important uh very important role I think you should

[57:12] strongly consider saying hey for this project considering its potential impact

[57:17] some of which we've already touched on um many of which we have not it's

[57:23] appropriate for you as the elected officials to oversee that uh that

[57:28] review. So, thank you for letting me make those comments.

[57:31] » Yeah. And Doug, Doug, Doug, I'll make sure uh that whatever documents aren't

[57:37] up there that they will be available. Um, so thank you for letting me know and

[57:42] I'll make sure that's taken care of. Uh, and on that topic, just so that if

[57:46] anyone else here has questions, we will talk about it more. Um obviously I can't

[57:50] speak into details of the pending application but uh you know a couple of

[57:54] months ago this board passed an expert uh fee law where now those um uh who

[58:01] have applications submitted to us uh we are now uh using um uh basically an

[58:08] escrow account uh from these applicants that we are using that money for expert

[58:13] services on behalf of the town. And so we have contracted with um uh planning

[58:18] experts uh who are leaving no stone unturned on behalf of the town um uh

[58:24] reviewing all the documents uh as well uh and looking at all u uh items uh

[58:31] regarding this you know environmental impact fiscal you know traffic all sorts

[58:35] of things. So um you know thankfully we passed that so that that that cost isn't

[58:40] going back to the taxpayers right and so it's going it's coming from the

[58:44] applicants and so uh again leaving no stone unturned hope hopefully um uh you

[58:51] know that leaves that gives some easement to that but I you know this

[58:55] board does have full faith uh in in in what what they're doing um but so just

[59:00] so that people are aware of that process >> that that's an excellent step making

[59:04] them you making them pay for uh your review services. But in trying to review

[59:11] the application materials, none of the documents that would be generated by the

[59:17] efforts you just described are available for review. I'm not saying they don't

[59:21] exist. I just I I haven't had a chance to see them. So, I wanted the town board

[59:27] to know. >> No, that's good. Thank you for letting

[59:29] me know. Appreciate that. Uh and then those who don't know um uh on Monday um

[59:35] uh is it Monday the 17th the 17th uh there is a uh planning board meeting

[59:41] where there is a public comment period on this application. Uh so all who have

[59:46] questions for the applicants and the planning board um can certainly come and

[59:50] provide that or submit their comments to the clerk as well.

[59:56] » I'm Bob Har. I'm a longtime resident of town at left Raino Road and we've seen

[1:00:02] the development of the Allstar Village and I would like to point out a couple

[1:00:07] things that I hope everybody in this community is aware of it. It does impact

[1:00:13] this community for 14 15 weeks in the summer and it is a bit of inconvenience

[1:00:19] and we hear the fireworks, we see the light, we hear the traffic and however

[1:00:25] what it's done too is the town says they haven't received any benefit from it.

[1:00:30] And [clears throat] I would point out that we do receive benefit because your

[1:00:34] property values are higher because of the value of the homes. They're

[1:00:40] receiving a pillow tax or whatever they call it. Community benefits from the

[1:00:46] increase in the property values to school taxes. And that property when it

[1:00:50] was developed could have been developed into a junkyard or something totally

[1:00:55] different. It It's something that's bringing a lot of commerce to your

[1:01:00] community. Look what it's done to the corner of Wendy Hill. taken property

[1:01:04] that sat there follow quite a while turn it into

[1:01:09] some eating establishments or some others. So when you're looking at this,

[1:01:13] take the balance both sides and look at what it does. And then also ask yourself

[1:01:17] the question, where will you be without it? What do you propose to put in there?

[1:01:22] Other than that, the development of the parking on that side of the road is

[1:01:27] going to hopefully, you know, create them better traffic.

[1:01:34] We run I have a signal mix of big material. So we attend to that traffic

[1:01:40] all the time. It is a bit of an inconvenience but in

[1:01:43] the same it has benefited this community and I hope everybody takes question

[1:01:49] because take a look at the community where it was where it is now where it

[1:01:53] was 30 years ago and ask yourself where are we going to be tomorrow where are

[1:01:58] you going to be tomorrow >> thank you and just to so regarding the

[1:02:04] vet tax or pillow tax as you said uh we don't receive any of that that's a v tax

[1:02:09] uh that is imposed by the county. >> Oh, you do receive it.

[1:02:14] » We do not. >> No, I'm not talking about the I'm

[1:02:17] talking about the tax account when you have a for the rentals for the bad

[1:02:22] rentals. You got >> you pass the tax.

[1:02:24] » No, we don't have an optional rental. >> No, it's a permit.

[1:02:29] » Permit tax. What do you call permits? We get money.

[1:02:32] » Oh, that's for the permits for like the special use permits.

[1:02:35] » Yeah. That's

[1:02:37] » Oh, for that? Yes. Yes. For that. Oh, not not not a tax a part of your

[1:02:42] community. And I believe if I'm not mistaken, isn't that an annual fee

[1:02:47] you're collecting? >> Yes.

[1:02:50] » So, you are benefiting. >> Well, the short Yes. For the special

[1:02:54] use. >> Yes. Yes.

[1:02:57] » You don't get the bed tax on the count. If you do have your and you have the

[1:03:02] hotels that you don't get anything from, that's for the bed tax.

[1:03:06] » Yeah. Yeah, that's what I just wanted so we can clarify that for but thank you

[1:03:09] for that. Um, all right. Anyone else?

[1:03:15] » Webster Street West. This is my water clear.

[1:03:29] » We don't want municipal water here. that baseball park wants to come into our

[1:03:34] hamlet, keep their municipal water to themselves. Don't make it our problem.

[1:03:41] Every I've been coming to these meetings all the time for a long time and every

[1:03:45] month I hear about municipal water [clears throat] and we don't want it.

[1:03:50] I've been living there for 30 years. About 15 years ago, I had to replace my

[1:03:54] water pump which is just a couple hundred bucks. That's it for 30 years.

[1:03:59] after get nice clean clear water dispense and get in the store. So we

[1:04:04] don't want the water.

[1:04:09] » Anyone else?

[1:04:13] » Once going twice. So now we're going to go on to our uh agenda item. Uh and so

[1:04:20] if anyone you all can start to say uh and there will be another public comment

[1:04:23] period at the end. Thank you all for coming.

[1:04:32] » [clears throat] >> We're good.

[1:04:43] Third

[1:04:47] [clears throat] [snorts]

[1:05:02] Somebody else

[1:05:20] [clears throat]

[1:05:23] detail.

[1:05:32] Okay,

[1:05:39] » we're going to go. We're going to move on to our next part of the agenda. Uh,

[1:05:41] so we have a presentation from the Ony

[1:05:46] Center to discuss three items.

[1:05:57] for evening and thanks for letting me come again.

[1:06:02] Before I begin, I I [clears throat] want to tell you a couple things that's going

[1:06:06] on at the outreach center. We uh we're very close to our organization buying

[1:06:12] the the armory. The lawyers have been working on it and

[1:06:16] we're excited because the architects came in four times and they've decided

[1:06:21] that we can put in 24 housing units for veterans and families. So, we're we're

[1:06:27] excited about that. Plus, you know, all the other things you probably see in the

[1:06:31] paper. We're doing the homeless veterans program that Carrie runs, excuse me, uh

[1:06:37] food bank. They're [clears throat] there every day

[1:06:40] looking for food. We the community is very generous and we get a lot of

[1:06:44] support. Um we have an AA meeting for veterans with postraumatic stress. Uh we

[1:06:51] have a female veterans program. We have a program. So we have a whole lot of

[1:06:58] action going on. But tonight, I just want to uh bring you up to date of

[1:07:05] what's going on with the veterans exemption for the 100% total

[1:07:08] impermanent. Uh when I was here before, the the law said that everybody had to

[1:07:14] opt in, had the option of opting in or not doing it. And um then it went a

[1:07:20] couple months later, it went to where it was mandatory. Every school district,

[1:07:24] every town board um would have to do it. And then when the budget came out, they

[1:07:29] went back to the original, opted in, opted out.

[1:07:34] And the real point I want to make is there's not a lot of people uh eligible

[1:07:39] for it. I went to uh we went to Lawrence Board meeting and they passed a

[1:07:45] resolution. They had three three veterans that were eligible for the

[1:07:49] benefit. They um I went to the city of On

[1:07:54] three years ago and they have 33. I I met with your assessor and I never

[1:08:01] got the numbers back there as to uh how many and going on.

[1:08:06] I provided Did you all get a packet from

[1:08:13] » the packets with all the questions and answers?

[1:08:16] » No, I did not provide that. No, I did. Oh, you have it. Okay.

[1:08:20] » You have >> Okay. So, we we'll make sure that they

[1:08:23] » Yeah. And it goes into real detail about every question that has come in to the

[1:08:28] attorneys in Albany as to how the impact would be. Um only veterans that are

[1:08:34] totally and permanently uh graded by the VA as 100% and widows

[1:08:40] of a veteran who dies is 100%. So the numbers are very small and I would ask

[1:08:47] that you consider passing a resolution to support that effective October 1st on

[1:08:53] the goals for 2027. And with that questions please

[1:08:59] » I do have I just tell you the number. So it seems there's 219

[1:09:04] uh in the town of the town has 219 veterans exceptions. out of that 43 had

[1:09:11] a uh disability exception and then out of that 43 12 have 100% acceptance. So

[1:09:17] just so you are aware of that number >> and if not um of the 43 there's some

[1:09:23] that probably aren't qualified. They have VA has to state that is total

[1:09:28] impermanent. >> I think he said 12.

[1:09:29] » Yeah 123 12. >> Okay. I think that that fits with what

[1:09:34] we're seeing in other towns. >> And and also um just to clarify that 12

[1:09:39] as well, I'm not sure I'm not looking at your numbers, but there is a difference

[1:09:42] [clears throat] between 100% disabled rating by the VA and 100% total and

[1:09:48] permanent. Correct. >> So that 12 might actually be

[1:09:51] » Yeah. >> And the numbers we looked at in the

[1:09:54] city, 33 would be the max. >> So there's not a lot of people.

[1:09:58] » Three in Lawrence, I think. Lauren already voted voted to pass.

[1:10:04] » Right. >> Have you spoken with the county and also

[1:10:07] the school district? >> We have I was told to let the veterans

[1:10:12] rep up there to go to the county. I have a meeting next week with the Lawrence

[1:10:16] school board. I delivered a packet to them for preview

[1:10:21] » and we delivered the packets to the school board school district as well.

[1:10:26] Okay. I think so.

[1:10:33] » Just out of curiosity, have I been able to secure funding for uh the veterans

[1:10:38] housing in the armory or is that something

[1:10:41] » in the works? state and federal >> some some funding has been secured and

[1:10:44] then um more more so grant for DM um SSPF all all different uh programs

[1:10:51] through the VA all those things would um helps help

[1:10:55] help fun for perhaps so it would be transitional housing there would also be

[1:11:00] units uh reserved specifically for DV victims that uh would be veterans or non

[1:11:06] veterans so there would be uh spaces held for DV victims families

[1:11:13] um separate from the being vet veteran status.

[1:11:17] » In addition to what we're going to do to service the veterans, we're going to

[1:11:21] make our gym and the building a community center.

[1:11:28] » Thank you for that. >> I just want to point out one thing. We

[1:11:31] have a lot of veterans here that came to came out to support us with us tonight.

[1:11:36] Um, some of them had some evil because it was just a little debate, but we

[1:11:40] still have some here, too. >> And they have to be really sure it

[1:11:44] should get the rating by the VA program. [clears throat]

[1:11:50] » Okay. >> Thank you for all you do and your

[1:11:53] service and all those that were here as well to support their [clears throat]

[1:11:57] brothers and sisters as well. >> We have a monthly lunchon for veterans

[1:12:01] on the first Tuesday. We're averaging about 80 veterans coming in for the

[1:12:05] lunchon. Week from Saturday, we're having a standown. We're anticipating

[1:12:09] 250 to 300 people being at the standout. >> Yeah. What is that?

[1:12:16] » Where's that going to be held? >> At the

[1:12:21] » What was your question? >> Oh, I didn't know a standown. Do I know

[1:12:25] that term? >> Well, stand down. In the military, they

[1:12:28] if you're getting ready to go to combat, they tell you to stand to and be alert.

[1:12:32] » When when the action is over, they tell you to stand down and relax. And the VA

[1:12:40] uh uses that term to bring people together, interact

[1:12:44] » and he's very nice and rest, right? So, um

[1:12:48] » um specifically the services are provided for all veterans. All veterans

[1:12:53] are welcome and encouraged to come. they they're really providing resources.

[1:12:57] We'll be providing resources for veterans who may be unhoused or in

[1:13:00] housing crisis or in food crisis so that they're um targeted. We are able to find

[1:13:06] them and provide services. >> Thank you for that.

[1:13:11] » Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:13:17] » So right now it's not public comment period but I will allow it. Please go

[1:13:21] ahead. [clears throat]

[1:13:24] Hey, my name is Bill Baker. I grew up on Honeyville Road, 1057 Way Hill. Just

[1:13:29] want to put face to those numbers. I served in the Air Force from 197074.

[1:13:35] I was in Southeast Asia as part of Special Arms. Just want to give you an

[1:13:40] idea of the physical problems that I have now.

[1:13:45] PTSD. I have a heart condition. I've got poisoning from Agent Orange. I've had my

[1:13:52] thyroid removed. I've had five knee surgeries, two hip replacements. I'm

[1:13:58] having a knee replacement in three weeks.

[1:14:02] Tomorrow, VA is installing a stair lift in my house cuz I can't get up to my

[1:14:07] bedroom and a host of other smaller things. But

[1:14:13] I think you need to see the face of what Gary's asking.

[1:14:18] You know, we serve. We were willing to die. We came back. The government

[1:14:24] screwed us with agent March. And I think we said we can do

[1:14:31] is give us a break. A lot of us this taxing can make the

[1:14:39] difference between whether we can keep our family homes or if we have to.

[1:14:44] Thank you, >> Bill. Thank you uh for your service. Um

[1:14:49] and thank you for sharing uh all

[1:14:56] brother good >> okay all right thank you again Jerry and

[1:15:02] thank you to the Oana center um so we have another uh presentation um from

[1:15:10] common planning and solid waste Nicole is here to speak about uh possibility of

[1:15:16] constructing a bus shelter here

[1:15:23] Do you have the presentation to put on the board on the screen?

[1:15:29] [clears throat] >> If not, it's okay.

[1:15:34] » It was very simple. Anyways, >> go ahead.

[1:15:36] » So, yeah. So, uh, currently our department has funding for bus shelters

[1:15:42] through section 5311 from the federal government. And, uh, we looked at this

[1:15:48] location at the town hall at that kind of plot of grassy land that's across

[1:15:53] from this building. Uh, and initially I was thinking that we would try to

[1:15:59] potentially place a shelter facing State Route 23, but also um through some

[1:16:04] discussions I've just had internally at work this past week, uh, I'm also

[1:16:08] considering to make it possibly safer to not have it be on the state route, uh,

[1:16:13] on the eastern facing portion of that I I want to say parcel, just piece of land

[1:16:21] basically. So it would be kind of it would be facing perpendicular to the uh

[1:16:26] to 23. It would be it'd be facing eastward on 23. Um but again that could

[1:16:34] be a further discussion if the town is interested in hosting a bus shelter at

[1:16:38] that location. Uh the county would provide all the funding for the bus

[1:16:42] shelter. We would uh the funding includes all construction fees. It's

[1:16:46] it's all county funds. Um, and this location is a stop on Oiggo

[1:16:52] Express's route one, and uh, it passes by there about seven times through its

[1:16:56] run. Uh, it's a designated Oh, great. So, that's pretty much where I am in my

[1:17:02] in my presentation. So, that's just a a picture of [clears throat] route one uh

[1:17:06] through our map. It goes from Richfield to Oniana to Coopertown. It takes the

[1:17:11] bus schedule itself is very confusing, so I didn't include it, but it goes

[1:17:14] pretty much from Richfield, Oiana to Coopertown to Oiana a few different

[1:17:18] times throughout the day from uh 6:00 a.m. until 5:00 p.m. So, it it goes by

[1:17:24] the town hall property five times a day or five days a week pretty consistently.

[1:17:30] And I also included photos of current county bus shelters just to give you an

[1:17:35] example. Uh the two Richfield Springs shelters are the county's oldest and we

[1:17:41] potentially might get them replaced, but that's just kind of an example of those

[1:17:44] are kind of a smaller form of shelter. And then the Spring Brook shelter is a

[1:17:48] little bit larger. I think that's our largest asset in terms of a shelter. And

[1:17:52] then we have the uh firehouse shelter as well. Oh, and that first slide kind of

[1:17:57] indicates what I was kind of talking about. Like the square is where I was

[1:18:01] considering initially putting a bus shelter, but if you look at it basically

[1:18:07] to the left of the square on the bottom photo, uh a bus shelter being the birth

[1:18:13] of so hard for me to describe that, but basically being um more [clears throat]

[1:18:20] than for you uh depending on what works best

[1:18:25] for both the county and the town. Um, and I guess you can go a few slides

[1:18:31] ahead now. Um, so just a couple concerns. Accessibility. Uh, with any

[1:18:37] construction of a facility such as this, we need to make sure that it's ADA

[1:18:41] accessible. So there would have to be, this would be included in the

[1:18:43] construction, but there would have to be kind of some sort of ramp structure or

[1:18:47] some way to be able to access the bus shelter without having to step up

[1:18:53] basically. So, there just needs to be uh a ramp set in place, which is why I was

[1:18:57] kind of thinking about uh different locations within that plot

[1:19:02] of land to put the shelter where it would be safest to kind of in in case

[1:19:06] somebody had a wheelchair or anything on wheels that they needed to put them into

[1:19:09] the shelter. Um, and another concern that I didn't put here is DOT right

[1:19:15] ofway cuz if we do have it close enough to State Route 23, we have to apply for

[1:19:19] certain approvals through the DOT. It wouldn't be difficult but it would just

[1:19:23] possibly make the process a bit lengthier and maintenance responsibility

[1:19:28] is sometimes a concern. Um there in the uh temporary e or the permanent easement

[1:19:34] agreement I had sent to all of you. I there are there's an option to choose

[1:19:40] either the county or the town would perform this maintenance and that's a

[1:19:43] discussion that we could have between the county and the town. Uh currently

[1:19:47] the county [clears throat] on non-county owned property does not provide the

[1:19:53] maintenance because in the most in most cases it doesn't really need the

[1:19:57] shelters that we have right now don't need maintenance. Uh there's not really

[1:20:01] any buildup of trash. There doesn't tend to be snow since they tend to be on

[1:20:05] sidewalks. But we can also have that discussion if that is a concern

[1:20:08] [clears throat] on the town's end. And I believe that's it.

[1:20:14] Cool. Anybody have any questions?

[1:20:18] » I I do. Um, so because that's a um state highway, I guess you would call it. Um,

[1:20:27] are there any concerns of, for instance, I mean, when the plows come through, if

[1:20:30] that's close enough to the highway, I mean, they're going to throw snow right

[1:20:33] through the Lexan or whatever the glasses.

[1:20:36] » All right. >> Is there any thoughts of setting it back

[1:20:38] further or we do own the property next to it as well? Well, that was uh

[1:20:44] discussed the property where you see the shrub to the right the um we also own

[1:20:49] that. I don't know if it's a [clears throat]

[1:20:52] » I that was not discussed. We could discuss it if that seems to be

[1:20:57] » in the grassy area below. I mean if you put it perpendicular like you mentioned

[1:21:01] to New York State >> right

[1:21:02] » highway 23 there to the left

[1:21:08] low beach to left. Yeah. I mean, do we have a lot of green space there that

[1:21:11] potentially put it offset off the road and the ADA accessibility since there's

[1:21:15] no curve there will be less of a concern?

[1:21:19] » He meant to the left. The left

[1:21:26] » right >> the land that's just cut off down

[1:21:30] » and then I >> to the east.

[1:21:33] » Yes. To the east and Okay. Yeah. I wasn't thinking about that

[1:21:39] » part of your property, >> but that could definitely be something

[1:21:42] that would be a lot easier in terms of >> and see her.

[1:21:46] » Yeah. >> Plus plus our highway guys getting out

[1:21:48] of there, >> you know, line of sight. I mean, they're

[1:21:52] they they're loaded. U >> Yeah,

[1:21:56] » line of sight. They're crucial. I would have to agree with that if you

[1:22:02] want to electrop.

[1:22:06] » Okay. >> We're open to

[1:22:11] any suggestions of alter. >> I think it's a great idea. I I would

[1:22:15] definitely support it. >> Okay.

[1:22:18] » You want to like check out the properties that we own on GIS and that

[1:22:22] [clears throat] >> Ryan's got it right there.

[1:22:25] » Okay. Well, I mean when you talk back with the

[1:22:28] group, right? like you know to see what works better for them. Uh, and again, I

[1:22:33] don't know if your funding has requirements as well, but

[1:22:36] » not really to be honest. It's just shelters as long as we can.

[1:22:39] » All right. >> Um, is this

[1:22:47] [clears throat] one? That's a Where are we at?

[1:23:00] » You can't get satellite on 2014. >> If you do the New York State ortho

[1:23:05] latest,

[1:23:08] » there we go. >> Okay,

[1:23:14] [clears throat] >> and that's and that's by the town.

[1:23:17] » This is the town. Uh this is where uh this whole time this is

[1:23:24] » and with that you could even incorporate a little pull up to make it safer

[1:23:29] » right >> for the bus so it doesn't have to stop

[1:23:32] on the highway. I can't tell where if the shrubs would be in the way of that.

[1:23:39] » But yeah, if not then >> cut those down,

[1:23:45] » right? >> Yeah. As long as it wouldn't impact

[1:23:49] roots [clears throat] or anything. That's fine.

[1:23:54] » Like two, you know. >> Has anybody check?

[1:24:01] » Okay. Okay. >> Did anybody check with DOT first

[1:24:05] » about this property? >> Um I have not uh this is basically my

[1:24:09] first step and and then I'll get to I've I've expressed to DOT that this that I

[1:24:15] was planning to inquire about a shelter on this property, but I haven't received

[1:24:19] a response yet. Um but I can I can reach out about both of

[1:24:24] those locations and see what their requirements are about a shelter that's

[1:24:28] actually facing 23. Even though I think we're all kind of in agreement that it

[1:24:33] might not be the best idea, especially with highway vehicles potentially

[1:24:38] getting snow inside the shelter if it's faced if it's open towards 23.

[1:24:45] So yeah, I could I could get some answers from DOT and then reach back out

[1:24:52] and also speak to my director as well about that parcel instead.

[1:25:00] because yeah, we would love to be able to do that in a way that's least

[1:25:05] destructive to the existing property and you know wouldn't take a lot of

[1:25:12] a lot of reorganizing of existing land possible.

[1:25:18] » When when you say there's funding available,

[1:25:21] we would have to go out and build it. You just reimburse us or do you guys

[1:25:25] just build it? We the county would uh basically

[1:25:31] gather quotes for installation of bus shelters and we would pay for it and

[1:25:34] we're getting reimbured through um the FTA.

[1:25:39] » Thank you.

[1:25:45] » C can I just ask this board was there I I know it's a fairly recent uh that

[1:25:51] parcel is a fairly recent purchase. U there was a house there. Did did the

[1:25:57] previous board decide to have any ideas or

[1:26:02] » talked about charging the station? We talked about

[1:26:06] uh the highway department had their eyes on it just for

[1:26:11] something. Nothing nothing specific.

[1:26:17] » The farmers market. Yeah, we talked about Yeah, we talked about farmers

[1:26:21] market, but then we thought we we didn't want to take anything away from the city

[1:26:24] in that respect. They already have an access kind of look at it.

[1:26:31] [clears throat]

[1:26:33] » Yeah, even picnic tables and things like that.

[1:26:38] » We we talked about charging stations there, but then really when it really

[1:26:41] came down to it, it's like what are the people going to do where their cars are

[1:26:45] charging? We get off their picnic table, but it's not going to charge in picnic

[1:26:49] time. >> Um, you know, we they're not going to go

[1:26:52] take a walk because there not really sidewalks.

[1:26:55] » I know something about that. >> I do.

[1:27:01] So, like, while it sounded like a great idea, it just didn't seem practical.

[1:27:06] It's all said and done. If you need to charge bar for eight hours or whatever,

[1:27:09] there's not like stores you can't go shopping. You can come and hang out with

[1:27:13] Wendy and Ryan and go through the archives or something. Yeah,

[1:27:17] » we can put that on, you know, possibility of something in the future.

[1:27:22] » So, if you want to like talk um and then send me emails or another proposal,

[1:27:28] we're not sure. >> Sure.

[1:27:29] » And we can certainly present again if you want.

[1:27:32] » Sure. >> Thank you all.

[1:27:35] » Thank you. I appreciate it.

[1:27:41] » Um Okay. Anybody else have any more questions? No. Joe, right? You guys have

[1:27:45] any more questions? I know. All right. Um, all right. So, we are going on to

[1:27:51] the um committee [clears throat] reports and announcements. Um, I just have some

[1:27:56] brief announcements. Uh, for those who don't know, we had our grand reopening

[1:28:00] for the pool. Uh, and that was very well attended. I mean, we had at least 100

[1:28:06] plus people there. Uh thank you to uh uh Joe and Nicole uh for all their help

[1:28:13] with preparing for the event. Thank you SPCA for being there with their mobile

[1:28:18] pet office to see head start uh was their um enrolling individual was

[1:28:24] sharing information about their program. Uh and Clint, our code officer

[1:28:28] volunteered his time and was our DJ MC uh for the evening there. uh DJing uh

[1:28:36] one of the new many talents. Um uh so that was a great event. Uh so um thank

[1:28:41] you all if anyone came. Um the town has submitted uh over um I guess almost 1.6

[1:28:49] million [clears throat] uh in um New York State CFA. So

[1:28:53] consolidated consolidated applications for funding uh through New York State.

[1:28:58] So uh thank you all for your support with that. Uh we have submitted for a

[1:29:04] updated comprehensive plan um along with um uh updating our town code. Uh we

[1:29:11] applied for a solar panel project um either on the highway uh garage or um

[1:29:19] kind of a solar canopy in the parking lot uh using our parking spaces. Uh as

[1:29:25] well um uh we applied uh for a feasibility study uh for development

[1:29:31] opportunities for sites that are not being used and other infrastructure um

[1:29:37] opportunities that we need uh also with a uh specific uh um development focus of

[1:29:45] a indoor recreational facility as well. Um what else do we want?

[1:29:53] Oh, and then we applied for um about $900,000

[1:29:57] to finish in the Greater Plank Park um as well. So, um creating a new egress

[1:30:03] for the uh Greater Plank School along with um a new pavilion um uh pickable

[1:30:12] courts um and hopefully other uh splash park splash pad as well. Uh so hopefully

[1:30:19] we get the money for that um all those projects because essentially all those

[1:30:24] uh are tax breaks for the community uh so that um we are not using taxpayer

[1:30:29] money on that. So hopefully we get something uh out of those. So thank you

[1:30:33] all for the support with that. Um to answer your question about the letter

[1:30:38] that was sent out. So myself and um at county representative Pinchy sent a

[1:30:44] letter to uh the county board of representatives. Um for those who don't

[1:30:50] know uh the town um many believe that we get all the tax revenue sales tax

[1:30:57] revenue that is generated uh within the town. Obviously, the town has many

[1:31:01] opportunities that many of the simply Aigo County and the general

[1:31:07] greater Aigo County don't have. Uh, but we don't get all that tax revenue that's

[1:31:12] generated. Uh, last year was the highest ever that we received and it was 740,000

[1:31:18] uh dollars that we received out of almost over 10 million that we probably

[1:31:22] generate here, if not more. um the data and the fiscal numbers aren't easily

[1:31:26] accessible because uh they're not uh provided uh to the public. So uh that

[1:31:32] information will have to come from the county treasur's office uh at some

[1:31:36] point. Hopefully we get those numbers. But um you know the the last item that

[1:31:42] was shared with me was that we do generate 60 to 75% of the whole sales

[1:31:46] tax revenue for the whole county. um uh and we are only getting about 0.15% of

[1:31:52] that uh because there is an RKA formula uh that is very uh is not equitable by

[1:31:58] any means and um uh the county has established a uh formula called

[1:32:05] pre-exemption. So the city of Onana automatic get 12 uh then another 12%

[1:32:10] goes to all towns and villages in uh the county uh and then the and county keeps

[1:32:16] the rest uh and so you know our town residents um well as a board our town

[1:32:21] residents have shared that you know you all deserve better uh and deserve to uh

[1:32:27] have more equitable share. So then we can do things with fixing our water,

[1:32:31] having more staff, um being able to have a you know uh events um or applying for

[1:32:37] more grants. Um and so that's the ask is for the board to um you know it's

[1:32:43] overdue uh and it's time for them to look at this RPA formula uh because our

[1:32:49] town deserves better. >> Uh so that I hope that answers your

[1:32:53] question on that. >> Thank you. Yeah. Um and uh we are you'll

[1:32:57] see shortly um we are announcing our budget uh season. Uh so um the many

[1:33:05] towns in New York are prepping for their budget season. So we are announcing uh

[1:33:10] that we have scheduling our public hearings and workshops available for the

[1:33:14] public to share you know what they would like to see within the budget and also

[1:33:18] have um uh provide any feedback uh on on items as well. Uh and you know, we'll

[1:33:24] hear more about a lot of the items that we talked about uh during many of our

[1:33:28] committees, but you know, just really quick, you know, at the legislative

[1:33:31] committee, we talked about solar um uh and addressing a lot of the uh outdated

[1:33:37] uh code and zoning instructions uh within our current uh code uh and um you

[1:33:43] know, how how do we navigate making sure that there's contingency funding for um

[1:33:49] environmental you discharging, you the equipment. Uh, and we also talked about

[1:33:54] um, automatic license plate readers. Um, and as a board we talked about, you

[1:33:59] know, um, working towards banning that as well. We open the top share uh, just

[1:34:04] because of our poor amendment rights uh, should be protected here. Uh, and for

[1:34:09] those that don't know like what is that? Uh and so uh there are cameras uh that

[1:34:16] are being utilized um uh to monitor uh individuals uh other things using AI

[1:34:24] algorithic data uh but then you know that data is not protected being sold um

[1:34:29] and none of us get sent to any of that uh and and so um you know we are looking

[1:34:35] at that uh as well. So, uh, a busy day, uh, a busy month. Um, and so thank you

[1:34:40] all for your help with those grants because those are all a big undertaking.

[1:34:44] So, moving on, uh, highway, water, and sewer,

[1:34:49] » and we did a lot of a lot of work behind the scenes on the grants, too. So,

[1:34:53] thanks, Will. That there was a that was a heavy lift. Lots of time, no sleep.

[1:34:58] Um, the Woodland Water uh district task force update. Yeah, a lot of it we've

[1:35:05] already discussed. Uh the big thing that came out of it was the request for

[1:35:09] proposals that we went over and reviewed at the meeting. Um and

[1:35:17] uh we did ask that the timelines be uh compacted and moved up as quick as we

[1:35:23] could so we could get uh moving to get a diagnosis for the issue. So, um, we have

[1:35:30] an RFP that everybody has seen, um, directed by Alex Herman. Um, the dates

[1:35:37] moved up. I'd like to make a motion that we approve, um, the request for

[1:35:42] proposals for the Woodland Water District needs analysis, the engineering

[1:35:48] evaluation and diagnostic study. >> Was that in the in the packet, Ryan? Did

[1:35:53] I miss? That was not. No. And it needs to go on

[1:35:58] the website, too. So, yeah. >> No. Was it Nicole the Senate, right? But

[1:36:03] then the last 24 hours. >> I don't I don't think so.

[1:36:08] » Oh, >> no. That wasn't That was that was House.

[1:36:11] » Oh, that was [clears throat] >> Yeah. So,

[1:36:15] » Senator Rick, can you restate your motion?

[1:36:17] » Sure. Uh I was uh asking for uh well I I'm making a motion to approve the

[1:36:24] request for proposals for the Woodland Water District needs analysis

[1:36:31] engineering evaluation and diagnostic study.

[1:36:38] See the floor second discussion

[1:36:47] once

[1:36:52] » I'm I'm a little confused. >> Alex is going to change the dates and

[1:36:57] get it right back to us. Right. Here we are at 11th hour again.

[1:37:05] » Yeah. How can you know how how can we prove that?

[1:37:12] » Well, just for the record, there is no we don't I don't have time. So, just

[1:37:17] share that. So, >> all right.

[1:37:20] » So, I'll probably vote on something again that you don't have all the

[1:37:22] information. >> We don't have any information really.

[1:37:26] » Well, no, I think you we sent out one version of it, but yes, the final isn't

[1:37:31] here. [clears throat] And the dates, the one with the dates

[1:37:36] that are >> that's crucial. Those dates are crucial.

[1:37:39] » No, I agree with that with you. Absolutely.

[1:37:47] » So, I don't think we should hold off though. I mean,

[1:37:51] » how can we even know what

[1:37:55] [clears throat] >> what were the final dates you were

[1:37:57] looking for, Joe? How does it affect her? I don't

[1:38:02] understand. Well, there's dates that were crucial in

[1:38:07] that packet. There was a couple other changes that were supposed to be in

[1:38:11] there >> because we could go out and and get

[1:38:17] other uh proposals in the interimm corrections, right, for emergency.

[1:38:24] » Right. Right. >> So, that had to be spelled out in that

[1:38:27] proposal, that RFP. Is this right here?

[1:38:33] » So there's the dates on that. >> That's not [clears throat] Yeah, that's

[1:38:38] the one that was uh the the last

[1:38:47] » in the meeting. Um we uh was supposed to send a revised one [clears throat]

[1:38:54] incorporated.

[1:38:59] » Well, you didn't get it today. you back today. I do not

[1:39:12] [clears throat]

[1:39:15] issue one more. We don't even have it. >> No, he that means that he's going to put

[1:39:20] it out. The voting is today. That was the intention and then

[1:39:25] » it gets posted tomorrow.

[1:39:35] Can we ask legal counsel to weigh in? Um,

[1:39:39] » it's not a bad idea. >> Is there enough information

[1:39:42] to take a vote or >> I mean, we can take a vote. It's on the

[1:39:46] floor, but I I'm going to just share. Yeah, I'm going to just share that. I

[1:39:50] mean personally

[1:39:54] I want you know women to obviously get to know all their water situation take

[1:39:59] care as earnestly as quickly as we can but I can't move forward with voting

[1:40:04] mine not as we have it. So um this first meeting would be um I was hoping we had

[1:40:11] that but if we have to as soon as we get it you know we will call special meeting

[1:40:15] and then and then we'll come in and and take you care of it as soon as we can.

[1:40:21] Yeah, probably that's the best way. The main the the meat of it was okay. It was

[1:40:26] primarily the date. >> I agree. But we were supposed to have it

[1:40:29] and and I think reminded and we talk about it. Should should this board just

[1:40:36] uh would it be easier for the coun if we if we just schedule a special meeting

[1:40:43] and right now and then um for some reason we don't

[1:40:49] have the information we could u

[1:40:54] tomorrow we have time or

[1:41:01] supposed to be what it But also I mean for this

[1:41:05] » this is also an emergency. So I would ask you know the town people deserve

[1:41:12] that as soon as possible. Uh so um you know it's also as feasible as well. It

[1:41:20] should it says what as soon as we have the RP.

[1:41:31] So, >> oh, is it a motion to unless you take it

[1:41:36] away or >> No. Um,

[1:41:38] so if I So, is it best to Chris to resend the motion or to um without a

[1:41:46] second or >> second?

[1:41:50] Teresa did. Yep, that's right. I'm sorry. Do you want us to

[1:41:59] » No, you still have 20% the motion, right?

[1:42:02] » Yeah. Trying to try to conditionally approve.

[1:42:05] » It seems like the general feeling of the board is, you know, we need to have a

[1:42:09] final draft from Alex. So, I I would be fine with the having an emergency

[1:42:15] meeting in the near future to go ahead and take the uh send the motion to this.

[1:42:21] » Okay. So, do uh I'll just say I resend a motion. Anything else required for me?

[1:42:25] » Do I have to resend my second? >> No.

[1:42:32] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[1:42:34] » Okay. Uh the next thing on the agenda, um

[1:42:40] [clears throat and snorts] East Street Culver update. Um,

[1:42:45] Alex did Alex Herman did locate a covert,

[1:42:53] a galvanized covert. So, it should work. So, they're hopeful, staying hopeful

[1:42:58] that we can get that done uh sooner than later. So,

[1:43:03] » concrete anymore? >> Not at this point. If that he feels it

[1:43:06] would be durable and do the job and it was an aluminum cover. So, where is this

[1:43:13] » for East Street? >> A little bit of color for East Street.

[1:43:16] » Yeah. Yep. That >> was

[1:43:20] » Yeah. >> So, that's encouraging because uh that

[1:43:24] way we can address that much quicker. >> You know, Cody got final plans.

[1:43:30] » Don't know that. I haven't seen. >> Yeah.

[1:43:35] » Okay, moving on. Uh I we have to just do a bit of housekeeping to approve the new

[1:43:41] hire. Tanner Cole, of course, Cody has that um

[1:43:46] uh latitude to do his own hiring, but uh the board always formalizes it um with a

[1:43:52] vote. So I make a motion that we approve the new MEO hire Tanner Cole.

[1:44:02] » Any discussion? >> No.

[1:44:06] standard. Uh

[1:44:12] » yes. >> Yes.

[1:44:16] » Yes. >> Yes.

[1:44:18] » Yes. >> And we'll get right on before we close

[1:44:23] out of highway. We'll get on with Alex and um also

[1:44:29] uh we talked about the Westiana sidewalks. on the section of sidewalk,

[1:44:35] the DOT specs that we've pointed out have made the uh the bids come in so

[1:44:40] much higher. So, um Will has an idea um to um in the future reaching out to the

[1:44:47] DOT um for some assistance with that. And

[1:44:52] so, um we've got other things in the hopper with them. And when you get those

[1:44:56] done, we could do our best to see about the sidewalks

[1:45:01] in Westana, which makes me think about the bus

[1:45:04] shelter, too. Um, people walking to get to that bus shelter. You know, they need

[1:45:10] to have a sidewalk to get there. >> No, it doesn't go that far, but at least

[1:45:16] it gets to force lane. You got you got sidewalks here that are

[1:45:20] painting. So we really should get D to follow.

[1:45:25] Right. >> Right.

[1:45:26] » Especially if you put you must >> like a a a resolution to the DOT

[1:45:34] them to let the DOT know that the specs that that they uh given us make it just

[1:45:41] exponentially higher um to get that segment of cycle.

[1:45:47] Okay. Okay, I guess that's it on highway. Anything else from anyone else?

[1:45:52] Okay, go ahead. Thank you, Will. >> Uh, so we are going to Thank you all for

[1:45:58] your work on those items last season. Those things moving. Um, public safety.

[1:46:03] » Thanks. Yep. In public safety, we had a resident from Richard's Avenue. Um

[1:46:09] Melanie came and addressed the board um on behalf of her and another

[1:46:15] uh some other neighbors who noticed uh the ongoing speeding concerns, children

[1:46:20] from the All-Star village uh you know visiting in the area playing ball um

[1:46:25] worried about traffic uh speeding a [clears throat] lock down Richard. So,

[1:46:30] um, we're going to move forward, um, and look at some sort of calming, uh, bumps

[1:46:36] or something, uh, you get that going. Cody is aware and it's on his radar to

[1:46:42] do something about that to slow that traffic down.

[1:46:45] » Okay. >> On Richard's app. So, that was all I had

[1:46:48] on that. >> Yeah. I think, right, they said that

[1:46:51] like the you don't believe those are very expensive, right? Possibly commons.

[1:46:56] No, they're I mean relatively

[1:47:02] I mean a lot I mean I don't know what your version of a lot is under thousand

[1:47:06] dollars. Oh, I mean, yeah. Versus, you know, several hundreds of thousands per

[1:47:13] » low cost and Y [clears throat] talk about highway and that what's the uh

[1:47:18] project status uh lancher bridge or

[1:47:25] » I have [clears throat] heard nothing. It's does anyone know? Yeah.

[1:47:29] » Yeah, I think the guys are still working on it. Um uh and when they get clean

[1:47:37] well they were still fixing up they were still dealing with the property dealing

[1:47:41] with uh >> purchasing.

[1:47:44] » Yeah the dissected the gas they had to locate the

[1:47:48] gas is done the gas is all done. I thought the rightway until I thought we

[1:47:53] finalized right away saying there that was the last uh update like and so

[1:47:59] things and all that on their ads. Who knows?

[1:48:01] » Uh but um

[1:48:06] the juice as well. >> Yeah, I haven't

[1:48:08] » can't imagine this year though. >> Yeah, none of that has happened. Yeah,

[1:48:17] » we're not doing that. That's That's >> No, I'm making sure.

[1:48:20] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm making sure enough that

[1:48:25] are just not doing anything. >> Yeah. Bridge New York. It's 100% funded.

[1:48:29] Yeah. >> Does it cost the same?

[1:48:31] » Yeah.

[1:48:34] » Thank you. >> Yeah.

[1:48:36] » Thank you. Any further blob season one

[1:48:43] legislator >> legislative committee met on last Monday

[1:48:49] and we're going to ask Trish for short-term rental update.

[1:48:54] » Yeah. Our next meeting is Monday for short-term rentals Monday at 5:30.

[1:48:59] Um and we discussed the 250 ft um buffer. Um this is for future

[1:49:09] applications. Uh uh the 250 ft buffer to help uh with the density issues in

[1:49:17] neighborhoods. So Teresa, anything else that we wanted to include? I think

[1:49:22] that's good. The buffer was the biggest.

[1:49:28] taking my notes. >> I could again I put minutes up on the e

[1:49:33] code if anybody read them. Uh I can just read from it. Uh right now committee is

[1:49:40] going over possible revisions to the proposed log. Uh committee's working on

[1:49:45] the size of the proposed we're working on the size of the proposed short-term

[1:49:49] rental cap size of the buffer zone and some possible numbers being discussed

[1:49:54] with Trish Medson. Um, and we've got we just uh received from

[1:50:03] Dian Carlton a draft blog [clears throat] we got to go through

[1:50:08] before our next meeting and um

[1:50:12] so it's very detailed. So we're we're just trying to do our best um

[1:50:18] to provide um a good start.

[1:50:26] » Yeah. You got anything?

[1:50:29] » No. Thank you very much for the additional

[1:50:33] » You guys are proposing a law. >> Well, yes, we're working on legislation

[1:50:39] uh to uh and which also incorporates um blighted properties being uh exempt

[1:50:46] from the cap if they're being used. if if blighted properties are um being

[1:50:52] purchased um for rehabilitation, there's something they have.

[1:50:56] » So that's the proposed law. >> But that's these are elements of it.

[1:51:01] There's so I'm just saying we're trying to incorporate we've been listening to

[1:51:05] suggestions and we're doing our best to come up with something that's very sound

[1:51:10] and appropriate and something will be um we've heard good suggestions so we're

[1:51:15] doing our best to >> just to clarify yes the task force are

[1:51:21] working together on just recommendations on based permanent research and pres

[1:51:26] presenters surveys uh and then it's up to us to determine and you know what we

[1:51:31] will or not do just so like even though anyone can you know any task force can

[1:51:37] provide recommendations but at the end of the day it's you know the board

[1:51:40] someone says law and what do you think you have a public hearing before you

[1:51:45] post law >> of course it goes through all of that I

[1:51:49] just wanted >> it goes through all the normal steps

[1:51:52] » but it would go through all that it wouldn't even it's not even being it

[1:51:55] would have to get introduced we have to you know all talk about it in our

[1:51:59] meetings and all those kind of things. >> Yeah. Makes me a little nervous.

[1:52:02] » Yes. Public hearing law. Okay.

[1:52:08] » It's still still a committee stage. So there's a meeting on Monday 17 and then

[1:52:13] the following Monday other meeting at 5:00

[1:52:19] and then we skip a week and then we got another meeting on what? Tuesday the 1st

[1:52:25] 5:30. >> Yes. Yes. And that's as far as we're

[1:52:27] scheduled out >> at this point.

[1:52:30] » And how many >> three left?

[1:52:33] » No, I mean in general like how many >> Oh my gosh. I know. Started since

[1:52:37] February March the core committee started and

[1:52:41] then Yeah. >> Which one?

[1:52:46] » March. March. No, March. >> Yeah.

[1:52:49] » No, no, first meeting was February 25th. It's [clears throat] been a dedication

[1:52:55] of time and um yeah, we put a lot of work into it.

[1:53:00] » Thank you all. >> Thank you.

[1:53:02] » And we we're also working on some other topics. Uh

[1:53:07] we we got the data center moratorum. We've got hammer out that local law. Uh

[1:53:14] we worked on watershed protection law. Um, we had some ideas for monthly

[1:53:21] financial reports. I did a draft. We're encouraging partners that uh we're

[1:53:28] working on town.

[1:53:32] Anybody's got any ideas or thoughts, just email us and um

[1:53:40] we'll take a look at it. Thanks. >> Thank you.

[1:53:52] Um, okay. Take your will. >> Yeah. Sorry.

[1:53:58] » All right. So, we have to um uh we're going to have discussion on the local

[1:54:02] law amending section 65-1 of the town regarding uh professional uh

[1:54:08] escro fees. Um just so we are all aware of that. Um so,

[1:54:14] Kristen, why? Sure. Um the one that got filed did not include the language

[1:54:20] requiring when there is a SWIP requires automatic

[1:54:25] SRO. So that was decided at the board and so that just didn't make it into the

[1:54:30] version that was sent off. So that will be the only change.

[1:54:34] [clears throat]

[1:54:37] » So don't we have to have another public hearing?

[1:54:39] » Yeah. So we started out the whole time. [clears throat]

[1:54:42] » So the law is in place. If you see one that comes but hypothetically you see a

[1:54:46] swift come in instead of it automatically happening the town board

[1:54:49] can just make the decision we see a swift we determine this to be worthy of

[1:54:54] an escrow but the town board had determined that just from the meeting to

[1:55:00] me getting it into the paper got missed or if I got on the paper flash it just

[1:55:06] wasn't the one that was submitted that included that language.

[1:55:10] » Here's a question for you. I know bigger projects right? Yep.

[1:55:13] » They're going to submit a slip program. Right. So, their engineers design it.

[1:55:19] » Right. Comes to the code office. Yep.

[1:55:23] We have no control over it. We can have an outside engineer look at it. The DEC

[1:55:29] controls that whole function. So,

[1:55:34] why would we why would we cue a retainer?

[1:55:41] because we're not going to take it. The idea our engineer look at it because

[1:55:46] it doesn't matter what our engineer says. It depends on what DEC says. So I

[1:55:51] can't speak for what you all on the board decide. Your reasoning behind your

[1:55:55] decision to include that more than likely was the fact that it can have a

[1:55:58] SWIP. It is encompassing other factors where you might actually need the escro.

[1:56:02] So the SWIP isn't the fact that you're saying the money is going to be used for

[1:56:06] that. But if you have something that is incorporating where you have to do a

[1:56:08] SWIP, you might be doing other work that you will be using the SRO for.

[1:56:12] » Well, I can't speak to what >> we should be forthright with the

[1:56:16] applicant tell the application.

[1:56:21] » Yeah, I'm going to be honest with that more with regards to this law. I think

[1:56:28] I guess the more time I've had to think about it.

[1:56:33] Uh [sighs] I don't understand why we would ever New

[1:56:38] York State professional engineers stamp when they've stamped that. Why would we

[1:56:43] ever uh we can't second guess that we shouldn't pay or have them pay to have a

[1:56:48] double engineer look at their own engineering? Um that that troubles me.

[1:56:53] uh it's it's double just they're double paying for something. Um that stamp

[1:56:58] right there says it's certified. Um and then that's why engineers go defensively

[1:57:03] have insurance based on that um to protect them in the event they made a

[1:57:07] mistake. Um so I'm a little troubled that we can require

[1:57:13] a company or for that matter an individual that might not be able to a

[1:57:17] small I mean not every application is large as some of the ones we have now.

[1:57:21] someone small might might need a squat and all of a sudden now they've got

[1:57:24] professional fees for all kinds of things. Um and like we saw with the two

[1:57:29] housing developments that recently pulled the plug. It's just it just might

[1:57:33] be the cost might be too much to do business and I want to say we're open

[1:57:38] for business. I want to say how can we help not how can we charge you as much

[1:57:42] as humanly possible to make sure we're covered.

[1:57:44] » Well, I could also say that we are open for business and want development but

[1:57:48] not at the backs of the taxpayers. uh because the taxpayer shouldn't be using

[1:57:52] uh their money to fund someone else's projects. Uh that's what it's for is to

[1:57:57] have a third party opinion on behalf of the town and not going forward with um u

[1:58:04] anyone else's opinions because as as many know you can pay for anyone to

[1:58:09] provide you with the opinion that you want to hear. Uh and as far as as far as

[1:58:14] the engineer issue, uh I would suggest that you speak with our town engineer uh

[1:58:18] because when I had my conversation with them, uh it's a lot different than what

[1:58:22] you're sharing uh in regards to what engineers share when they do this review

[1:58:27] uh because he does this uh review many times for other municipalities. And so

[1:58:32] he's not necessarily saying what they're doing is wrong or right. Uh but it would

[1:58:37] just be just double-checking uh their work. um uh and just making sure it's

[1:58:43] out it's the best interest of the town etc. So it's a common practice uh that's

[1:58:48] happening all across you know the state um if not the country as well. Uh and

[1:58:53] you know we all voted unanimously for that and I think we're also focusing on

[1:58:57] one aspect right just the engineering and that's not just we're not saying

[1:59:00] this is only solely for engineering where as we can see with other

[1:59:04] applications it's for planning uh for planning experts because not a single

[1:59:09] one person here is a planning expert. So when I can sit here and say that we have

[1:59:14] planning experts that are looking at every single uh document to provide the

[1:59:18] best opinion uh for the town and the planning board uh and as you said the

[1:59:23] most difficult uh application that we have ever seen that's why it's there so

[1:59:28] that the taxpayers as it has it happened in the past are the ones um forking the

[1:59:33] bill for our applications that come in and so um uh you know I think many

[1:59:39] developers who know how to do business. Um uh understand that this is part of it

[1:59:46] and that you know this the town has just uh needs to modernize uh of it and you

[1:59:52] know us doing this on behalf of the town and the applications now just solidifies

[1:59:57] their investment even more because now they can share with their investors,

[2:00:01] their bankers, insurance companies that they had many levels of of reviewing it.

[2:00:06] And so this is just we're not making any money by any means. We're not keeping

[2:00:09] the money. Um uh it's just using that money to um provide the town uh and all

[2:00:15] the members serving on their volunteer committees with the expert knowledge uh

[2:00:20] that they need to make a decision for the town.

[2:00:22] » Well, maybe I rephrase that. I'm concerned about the trigger. what

[2:00:26] triggers the expert and because not every project is as big I understand

[2:00:31] village it makes absolutely sense that that's and yes they it what you said

[2:00:36] does make sense for that but I'm talking about smaller projects and things of

[2:00:39] this nature where there are no investors it's the person doing it

[2:00:43] » and uh that that's where my concern is that that there is no

[2:00:48] » tangible trigger per se or quantifiable trigger other than a suggestion and and

[2:00:55] And and in terms of the taxpayers, we do pay we pay a code enforcer. Uh we pay

[2:00:59] you know we pay the board we do pay other people within the county right to

[2:01:04] have decision making process. >> I mean yeah yes they do but they're also

[2:01:09] not you know experts that have been doing this forever um uh and you know

[2:01:17] day in and day out as well. But, you know, I think we're getting caught up in

[2:01:21] the fact that >> at the end of the day, the board still

[2:01:23] has to approve the escro, right? It's not like one person here is approving

[2:01:27] it. And so, it it has to that was the point of law that I brought up is there

[2:01:32] had to be a town board approved. We haven't approved anything.

[2:01:36] » Yes, you're not. >> No, listen. So, so we got we got an

[2:01:40] escrow for him. We just took a check. It didn't go in front.

[2:01:44] » Yes, it did. >> No, Joe. Yes, it did. 100,000% did. We

[2:01:49] have the resolutions and the votes on it. We can share it.

[2:01:52] » This last one we just did. >> We absolutely have the we have we have

[2:01:56] the votes >> village.

[2:02:00] » Yes, I I certainly show it to you. We all voted yes for it. Um on it

[2:02:06] » as a board member too. I'm I'm not glad that we

[2:02:09] » did have two esro because we have two applications.

[2:02:13] » What? because there was two applications and that's what the guys said for us. I

[2:02:17] remember one for sure.

[2:02:24] » And I have a question. Um I I got the the language for that came from the town

[2:02:32] attorney. Was that the ide did the did the idea to revise this come from

[2:02:38] town attorney or did it come from the board? Where did it come from? What are

[2:02:42] you advising? >> No, you were saying that you you wanted

[2:02:46] to amend second town.

[2:02:51] » Is it is it >> originally? I can't remember if we're

[2:02:55] the ones who proposed it or the town board proposed it, but the town board

[2:02:59] voted on it. And so that language when the town board voted just didn't make

[2:03:04] file that was sent out and filed. >> [clears throat]

[2:03:06] » So the version that is filed requires a town board consent on any application

[2:03:11] coming in. It does not require an automatic escrow or a SWIP.

[2:03:16] » The town board wants to elect to determine that a SWIP will require an

[2:03:20] escrow. It can do so right now, but it is not automatic right now.

[2:03:24] [clears throat] >> So I did we we did look at it like that.

[2:03:28] We it just didn't go into the final law. >> Not you know someone pull the minutes

[2:03:32] and look at that if you wanted to. You're still evaluating determining

[2:03:36] whether it >> Yes. So, just so yes, we all voted on

[2:03:39] that original language. It just when it was uh entered uh on, you know, the the

[2:03:46] firm's end uh it just wasn't entered that way, but we all voted on that exact

[2:03:55] I'm grateful that we have this new process as a board member over the

[2:04:00] political pressures involved. Um I I I want to do things the right way.

[2:04:06] We've also learned too looking at past projects, you know, the engineering that

[2:04:11] we always get that we often get. It's it's nice to have another set of eyes on

[2:04:17] it. Um you know, from the developers engineering versus it's nice to have a

[2:04:21] set of eyes for the town. So, as a board member over the years, like I said, um

[2:04:27] political pressure, I'm grateful for this. Uh I think it's we're going to

[2:04:31] have quality products as a result. I think it will be better done and I'm

[2:04:36] looking forward to doing things uh what I feel is right and doing them the right

[2:04:41] way. So it gives me more confidence uh going forward. So that's all I have.

[2:04:47] » Trish, you said on several occasions uh projects were influenced by political

[2:04:52] pressure. I I I don't know what you're talking about. So, I just kind of

[2:04:57] curious if you could clarify the instruments where that was the case

[2:05:01] because I don't know that anyone ever felt

[2:05:03] » Well, I've never >> Well,

[2:05:07] forced in any way, shape, or form vote anyway.

[2:05:09] » No, I think you're right as far as that. I mean, I've never voted for something I

[2:05:14] didn't believe in or feel that was the right thing. So, I've logged in no

[2:05:20] votes. So, um I I feel that there's an element of pressure. I think it's nice

[2:05:26] when we can have that reviewed and have the facts. It gives us a chance to make

[2:05:29] a more informed decision as a board. >> Um,

[2:05:36] » listen, I I agree with that. I I'm not going to disagree with that. I just,

[2:05:39] like I said, I just concerned about the trigger, what what triggers without

[2:05:44] anything specifically [clears throat] written any kind of quantitative.

[2:05:52] » So, I mean, look, that's my opinion. >> No, no. I mean, No, I just want to

[2:05:56] clarify. So, again, we had that whole conversation at that initial resolution

[2:06:00] that we passed. And so, and so it's it's the only issue [clears throat] even with

[2:06:06] that language that we all agreed on, it still comes to the board, right? Like,

[2:06:11] so the board there's a resolution, we all discuss it, we enact it. So, it

[2:06:15] still comes to it. So even if it's a if it's a smaller application, it can still

[2:06:19] come to the board and we could say oh actually you know we don't obviously I'm

[2:06:23] hope you know we don't get many of the you know large

[2:06:28] applications as we have been but it could be just hey we can just be a

[2:06:32] traffic site again I just like talk and and it's not needed to be the certain

[2:06:37] amount that's at our discretion if we have it it's just the ones that we have

[2:06:41] had uh warrant that way. So, if the town attorney is trying to

[2:06:46] fix um you know, this is like a you know, this is trying to put in what got

[2:06:54] left out. But >> we're not voting anything. We're just

[2:06:58] setting a public No, we have a civil on the amendment.

[2:07:00] » You would have to do an amendment. >> So, we're voting on the amendment that

[2:07:03] was in the packet and then and then we have to set a public hearing on the

[2:07:06] amendment. >> So, the law is on file. So, the law is

[2:07:10] filed. It's a valid law. And so an application comes in the town board and

[2:07:15] you have the authority to experiment and ask where is appropriate. So this would

[2:07:18] be an amendment to that law. So your purposes um you know if you have

[2:07:23] different ideas and maybe now how you would like to view the law you could

[2:07:27] think of how you might want to amend that in a different way.

[2:07:31] Well, well, well, let's let's let's talk us through [clears throat]

[2:07:36] street, right? Application came in, >> right? And we send them a letter

[2:07:41] » or code department send a letter saying we got to have we have a new law. Why

[2:07:48] wouldn't that come in front of them? >> It did. It did. I'm literally looking at

[2:07:52] it right there. >> It literally did. So whereas the board

[2:07:56] uh whereas the town board should not receive of applications referring uh

[2:08:00] application establishing professional rescue for silence lane solar project.

[2:08:05] So yes we did vote on that. You know what I'm saying? Did the process right

[2:08:08] now the applicant submitted the application

[2:08:13] » told them they had to have >> but it should have came to the town

[2:08:16] board first to say this is going to it's up to us to

[2:08:20] » Joe did

[2:08:25] looking at the resolution right now

[2:08:29] made a difference

[2:08:35] talking April. It was in April Menace. >> Sil.

[2:08:39] » April M. April Menace. >> Okay. So, I'm looking at one from from

[2:08:43] from Sil. >> Okay. So, we did that. We did one for

[2:08:47] East Street as well. So, I I can totally show it to you.

[2:08:49] » We're at what meeting with

[2:08:54] » Just keep talking and I'll and I'll s >> and there's no motion on the floor.

[2:09:02] There was a we started discussing discussing.

[2:09:06] » So the planning board I think it be beneficial if they could also

[2:09:10] » the one thing that I would say is the way the board passed it is creates a

[2:09:16] little inconvenience on timing because the board has to get together and make a

[2:09:20] decision on the escro. So whether that is at a regular schedule board meeting

[2:09:24] or you have to do a special meeting and create timing consistencies.

[2:09:30] Not putting you on the spot, but is that something that the planning board could

[2:09:33] have the leeway to do or do you feel like it should

[2:09:38] go >> and it's

[2:09:43] » so it's not uncommon for towns to have supervisor authority this board discuss

[2:09:49] » which I don't have to this board discuss this board discuss and change it to town

[2:09:54] board that inherently creates a scenario where

[2:09:58] has to be presented for the town for the town to make a decision whether that is

[2:10:02] at a regular meeting or if you have to get together in a special meeting to

[2:10:05] speed up the process.

[2:10:10] » Yeah. So, so what happens is someone applies for the application and for the

[2:10:15] last ones they applied u uh both uh Clinton and uh the planning department

[2:10:22] asked for this for you know estros for the expert fees. So it came to us and

[2:10:27] then we passed the resolutions. >> No, I'm just saying like say say someone

[2:10:31] finds out they say no to do it with their

[2:10:36] application fee. >> Absolutely. Yeah.

[2:10:39] Again I mean and our application fee is a lot minimal versus others again they

[2:10:43] have to still do all this and it's like 10. I just want to know what the process

[2:10:47] is or what it's going to be. >> So I think

[2:10:52] » I'm not clear. >> Yeah. So the the process is right right

[2:10:56] now what we voted on at the end of the day if us as a board or the planning

[2:11:04] board or uh the code officer feel that a escro fee is needed for an application

[2:11:12] we will have we have the authority to to enact it. Okay. So meaning a resolution

[2:11:19] will be here. There'll be discussion on all this just like we have um uh and

[2:11:23] then uh it will pass or not. Okay. Then the um uh I'm just sharing what has been

[2:11:30] happened. Then the applicant gets the letter. Okay. Uh the you know the the

[2:11:36] resolution attached to it, the voting language, everything. Uh they decide if

[2:11:40] they're going to pay for it or not. uh uh and if they don't uh they get a

[2:11:44] letter from us uh like others have that um their application is suspended um uh

[2:11:49] or denied whatever it is and uh because they didn't follow our local law um and

[2:11:56] so that's what happens >> I remember talking about solo project

[2:12:01] but I I don't recall a resolution for professional service but

[2:12:08] » I mean I will I'm looking through it >> the town clerk says it was in the June

[2:12:13] 22nd special meeting. >> Thank you.

[2:12:16] » Thank you. >> So, we got to check those minutes.

[2:12:20] » Can we get a resolution for professional service? Correct. Right here. I'll pull

[2:12:25] that right up.

[2:12:29] [clears throat]

[2:12:33] » Yes. June 22nd. Resolution of receiving the application referring application

[2:12:38] establishing professional escro fees for East Street Solar Project.

[2:12:42] » That's Yep. >> Uh

[2:12:46] June 22nd special meeting. We all voted yes

[2:12:52] » and they they they re

[2:12:55] » they did not letter too. Correct. >> We sent them two letters and their

[2:12:59] project is >> okay.

[2:13:03] because they didn't pay their escer, right?

[2:13:05] » Absolutely.

[2:13:10] » So, it worked. Um, but yes, so again, they're all going

[2:13:14] the resolutions are all going in. Um, uh, and and and uh I don't have sole

[2:13:20] authority to uh enact it. Uh I so we're still here discussing to fix

[2:13:29] that's enacted at the state level versus what we voted and pass.

[2:13:34] » So so look this is this is sort of like a patch. We put the patch on the tire

[2:13:38] the tires got a hole. Put the patch on. But to speak to what the other end of

[2:13:43] the table is saying, if there is some sort of um almost like with the data

[2:13:48] center law, um is there like a threshold triggered like like you guys are saying,

[2:13:54] I don't know if there's some way to build that into the verbiage of the law

[2:13:58] or or not? >> I I think what you know, the way it is

[2:14:03] right now, we're receiving all of them. But if there is some way to to screen

[2:14:07] out the smaller projects, um >> it's it's up to our discretion at the

[2:14:12] end of the day. So it could it could still come here and we all could vote no

[2:14:16] or or majority says yes or no, whatever it is. And so it's up to our discretion

[2:14:21] to even enact it or even push it forward.

[2:14:24] » Could be built into a future revision of the law at some point.

[2:14:30] » Absolutely. >> I mean anytime. We could change anything

[2:14:32] anytime. Yeah. But I mean, we're still we still have to

[2:14:37] be the ones enacting it, right? Like, so no matter what it is, we are the ones

[2:14:41] enacting it. We're enacting the amounts. We're enacting, you know, um uh time

[2:14:46] frames, whatever it is, it's us who are doing it. No person here or planning

[2:14:51] board or code officer is the one doing this. We are all voting on this just

[2:14:56] like we have been. I mean, we could certainly send you

[2:14:59] step-by-step, you know, guide if you all wanted, but we've been doing it

[2:15:05] » right >> correctly since [laughter]

[2:15:14] we have a motion.

[2:15:18] » We'll make a motion.

[2:15:22] » Um, I make a motion we vote to approve the local law. Um, amending section 65-1

[2:15:30] of the town code regarding professional services.

[2:15:40] » Schedule a public hearing. >> Right.

[2:15:44] » Yes. >> We're not.

[2:15:46] » I'm sorry. >> Public hearing.

[2:15:49] » Got it. For the >> Thank you.

[2:15:53] That's why you said you had to make the resolution first and then public.

[2:15:58] » Well, I mean, we could do a business the vote. We could do a resolution to

[2:16:01] introduce That's why I put that um on there was cuz typically we've been

[2:16:07] voting to introduce it. [clears throat] >> Uh and then from there, we should

[2:16:12] necessarily have to do it that way, but that's just how we do it,

[2:16:15] » right? Vote to set us. So first, so first we would just what I I put it

[2:16:21] based on what we've been doing is you vote to introduce it and then you vote

[2:16:25] for the public. >> Yeah.

[2:16:28] » Can I do it in one vote? One motion or do you want two motions?

[2:16:35] » You got to rephrase it. >> Yeah.

[2:16:37] » Okay. [clears throat] >> Yeah. to uh make a motion vote to

[2:16:40] introduce um

[2:16:44] uh a local law amending section 651 of the town code regarding professional

[2:16:49] services. >> Second.

[2:16:53] » I'll second. Any further discussion?

[2:17:00] » All right.

[2:17:03] » Yes. >> No.

[2:17:07] » Yes. All yes. Yes. Motion. Thank you.

[2:17:13] » Now part two. >> Yes.

[2:17:16] » That we set a public hearing um for the aforementioned

[2:17:23] um law. So I made a motion to set in public

[2:17:29] hearing. Do we need a date on that? I send the next meeting.

[2:17:33] » Wednesday, September 9th. [clears throat]

[2:17:37] » 7:05 p.m., please. >> Yes.

[2:17:40] » Yep. Add or sounds good, right?

[2:17:45] » Second. >> Yes.

[2:17:50] » Any further discussion? All right. Tuesday. Good. No. Good. All

[2:17:57] right.

[2:18:00] » Yes. Yes.

[2:18:03] » Yes. >> Yes.

[2:18:08] » Thank you. >> Okay. Uh now we also have um a

[2:18:15] discussion on the zoning map amendment application

[2:18:20] uh for Coopertown Hall that we have all had in our packets.

[2:18:27] Thank you. [clears throat]

[2:18:39] who wants

[2:18:45] well.

[2:18:49] What is it we're I understand they're looking for. [clears throat]

[2:19:00] Are there any as a town recognize any proposed problems with

[2:19:05] set amendments or >> So we I believe we all got the maps. It

[2:19:09] all makes sense. >> Yeah.

[2:19:11] Um uh

[2:19:18] so they're all like you know they're consolidated under the PD uh uh and the

[2:19:23] planning board uh is currently the lead for this uh while we are also having our

[2:19:30] planning experts review everything um um to provide their comments shortly to us.

[2:19:38] um except we have to refer this back to the planning board since we were already

[2:19:43] determined because we provide this back to the

[2:19:48] planning board from the original application that was provided to us. So

[2:19:52] you would be modifying your referral to save a consulting

[2:19:58] because we get a referral to the planning board from their original

[2:20:02] application which their planning board is working

[2:20:05] through their motions for it [clears throat] and then once the

[2:20:08] planning board is done they will send it back to us.

[2:20:14] And are they aware that that was originally

[2:20:18] when uh PD [clears throat] for

[2:20:25] » there was the RA who are you referring to?

[2:20:28] » Well, plan board at one time. There were previously in discussion

[2:20:33] uh several years ago about changing all that and

[2:20:42] » changing what? changing >> well to B2 when they changed it

[2:20:46] » to B2 and then they had discussed about making that all PDD

[2:20:51] » to make it contiguous uh but the property owners at the time

[2:20:55] didn't think that it was beneficial and so it already had been discussed I just

[2:21:00] didn't know if those discussions have been private

[2:21:07] what are they looking for us from us >> I mean so essentially Um I have to have

[2:21:13] notes on this because this is so difficult but um uh they consolidated

[2:21:18] all their number of applications um and so they are looking uh the

[2:21:24] primary application being an expansion of the existing plans develop in a

[2:21:29] district established uh for uh the site uh a plan development district is a

[2:21:36] particularized zoning change uh to allow specific developments that do not

[2:21:40] necessarily all of the nuances of a normal zoning

[2:21:43] change and various site plans. Um and so uh we are now going to um move the

[2:21:53] amendments back to uh the planning board since they already had it. We got a new

[2:21:58] we got a new amended application um uh from them and so now we're going to just

[2:22:04] refer that back to uh >> and it won't be segmented. It'll be

[2:22:10] segment. >> Yeah. So instead of them doing all of

[2:22:13] these things separately, it's going to be one expanded project for all to

[2:22:18] review and for the whole public hearing um to be all in the same thing like

[2:22:23] comments, questions um to be discussed on that.

[2:22:28] » [clears throat] >> And speaking to the materials that were

[2:22:30] sent over um in that packet, there was a concern from DOT.

[2:22:36] Um I'm wondering was it addressed saying that the they the DOT believed the maps

[2:22:42] the maps that were produced were not um did not accurately take into account the

[2:22:48] actual DOT borders. And did you guys catch that?

[2:22:52] » The actual what? >> The DOT in the DOT's comments. They said

[2:22:56] » No, I got that part. Glad you said the DOT and then I remember the

[2:22:59] » borders borders >> the borders

[2:23:01] » borders >> the the DOT boundaries of their they

[2:23:05] they said they weren't accurately represented on on these uh

[2:23:09] » the sendback right away. >> Yeah, that's what D said. So I mean

[2:23:15] because if if we're referring it back to planning board, we're saying it's

[2:23:20] completed application. Is that correct? I mean, we're we're we're giving a send

[2:23:26] back. >> Well, I mean, there also been

[2:23:28] conversations with um Flint uh and them and and their attorneys uh as well. Uh

[2:23:35] so that could have already been answered um uh um as well. Uh and I'm lacking in

[2:23:41] what's happening at the planning board um as right now with that application,

[2:23:46] » but they already have that because they already have that. The planning board

[2:23:48] has all this. >> No, I know. But everything has final.

[2:23:52] » Yeah. By us sending it back to them, we're we're basically saying that we

[2:23:56] agree it's completed application. >> No, no, no. Because they're going to

[2:24:01] have to send it back to us after >> Yeah. So they're going to get ideas with

[2:24:07] their planning board stuff back to us >> and D that was the first comment D

[2:24:14] three or four times. >> Well, so the comment that you got to

[2:24:17] design. >> Yeah, that was that was the first

[2:24:19] comment. Okay. And so then they submitted new new designs that they're

[2:24:24] still waiting um feedback on as well.

[2:24:28] » So the town board is still waiting and long.

[2:24:32] » Okay. >> Once they have that ready to start

[2:24:37] moving. >> Okay.

[2:24:38] » Yeah. >> Uh and as part of those recommendations

[2:24:41] again uh our plan consultants are reviewing everything. Um uh they have

[2:24:47] been in conversations uh with um uh our town engineer as well uh who was aware

[2:24:55] of this um um um and you know he shared exactly what I shared with you that he's

[2:25:00] not here to say no you can't do this no you can't do that so happy to have him

[2:25:05] you know present that at some point um so that's kind of where we're at and

[2:25:10] then on the 17th uh is their uh public comment period where uh the applicant is

[2:25:17] doing a presentation uh and I encourage us all to you know be there if possible

[2:25:24] um and just here uh as well or others to submit their comments

[2:25:30] question did give any feedback at all on the application

[2:25:34] » oh yeah there some there's been conversations for comment already lots

[2:25:38] of stuff you get that information >> yes you're going to get we're going to

[2:25:41] get a >> oh no you're definitely going to get all

[2:25:44] those so They're going to get a full packet uh produced so the panty boards

[2:25:49] can get it all and then we're going to get all those Yeah.

[2:25:52] » Thank you. >> Yeah.

[2:25:55] But I I can tell you that I have spent lots of time trying to learn this

[2:26:01] process along with other the other applicants that we have had. So um

[2:26:10] so that's where we're at. So you have to just

[2:26:13] » do the review to [clears throat] referral to uh

[2:26:18] » but then do we have to make a motion to do that?

[2:26:20] » Yes.

[2:26:41] because I have my

[2:26:47] uh so I will make a motion uh to defer uh applicant application TB0000

[2:26:55] 000028 as amended by the August 10th 2026

[2:26:59] consolidated application to the planning board for review of the unified Um,

[2:27:05] Coopertown Allstar Village PD proposal including PB0000751

[2:27:13] and PB 000762, the proposed inclusion of partials 53

[2:27:20] and 84 in the expanded PDD, the applicant's proposal to retain the RA40

[2:27:27] zoning and vacin use of partial 60, the associated site plans, and the proposed

[2:27:32] lot adjustments.

[2:27:36] Second

[2:27:40] discussion

[2:27:46] once twice

[2:27:51] I just want to say reminder there is the public comment and presentation coming

[2:27:56] encourage all who uh have asked us questions and we all know we can't talk

[2:28:02] about it But, you know, had them come to it. Uh, and, um, I certainly have been

[2:28:08] getting many, uh, questions about it. Uh, but, um, uh, you know, I encourage

[2:28:12] them all, everyone to come and, you know, I tried to leave as what I thought

[2:28:17] I had available, uh, to the public, but I will make sure everything is available

[2:28:22] and up to date as well. Uh so please encourage all who may have

[2:28:28] questions or want even want to learn what to ask because I think there's a

[2:28:31] lot of unknown what people you know do or don't know. So I encourage them all

[2:28:37] to to learn [clears throat] first.

[2:28:43] » Yes. >> The census.

[2:28:45] » Yes. >> Yes.

[2:28:48] » Yes. >> Thank you.

[2:28:53] Thank.

[2:29:00] All right. Facilities tech. Could we do the destination Oiana

[2:29:06] request? They just had to leave. Um they need to

[2:29:10] » Oh, yes. Um >> Oh, sure. Yeah.

[2:29:17] [clears throat] Pavilion update. Um so we got our two

[2:29:22] estimates in a brand new pavilion.

[2:29:26] Uh, Eastman Associates was $361,000 and Andrew Mancini Associates on the

[2:29:33] Bingington was $452,700

[2:29:38] or 30 by 50. Obviously, [clears throat]

[2:29:44] we don't have that to spend unfortunately.

[2:29:49] So, the process going forward, this is new

[2:29:53] to me. Uh, do we have to send a letter to both of them?

[2:29:59] » Yeah, we will draft that. >> Okay. It's on my list.

[2:30:08] » No. Okay.

[2:30:12] [clears throat] I don't know why this here. Great planes

[2:30:15] transports. They're closed. They're locked up.

[2:30:21] And then um so so so just backing up in terms of pavilion, I think we need to

[2:30:27] maybe at our next parks and facilities meeting reconvene, have discussion. Um

[2:30:34] we were given some money for that. We would hate to not use it for that. Um

[2:30:42] your mark, right? So we'll have to come back together and discuss what are the

[2:30:46] next steps with that. I mean I was down there today. It is a nice still a very

[2:30:51] nice spot picnic area without even a shelter. Uh but maybe there's some other

[2:30:56] options um to scale back the project or

[2:31:01] potentially uh have a volunteer day or something to that nature whereas I mean

[2:31:07] the Amish get together and raise barns in a day. Uh maybe that's something we

[2:31:13] could potentially do as well. uh there are uh with the money we have there's no

[2:31:19] reason we couldn't raise that um to to some extent. So that's something

[2:31:26] we could discuss at the next meeting which direction we want to go with that

[2:31:32] » because we definitely have sufficient money for the materials. It's just

[2:31:36] » when it gets into the insuranceances and prevailing wage and things like that it

[2:31:41] just obviously has gotten out of hand. We know that's significantly more than

[2:31:47] it should be. Um, so we'll we'll we'll do we'll make a plan to discuss that in

[2:31:52] the next parts and facilities meeting. And if anyone in the meanwhile has any

[2:31:57] ideas other than potential homage barn raising, um, throw them our way. We'll

[2:32:04] definitely throw them around. >> Um, Joe and I talk about this, too. And

[2:32:08] so, um, I'm going to be talking with Chris about like, you know, we did the

[2:32:13] process, you know, we followed what we're supposed to, you know, what are

[2:32:17] our options after that. So, >> as soon as I know, I'll let you know.

[2:32:22] Um, uh, and then we, you know, figure that out. I mean, we have to talk about

[2:32:25] sooner than later, too, so that we can actually [clears throat] get built in

[2:32:29] time. >> Well, I mean, the rental season's near

[2:32:32] ending at this point. >> Oh, for next year. Yeah. I was I say,

[2:32:35] you know, I mean, it's a shame the bid process and this all has to be this way.

[2:32:40] I'm mostly certain that a local contractor put that up for a quarter of

[2:32:44] the price, >> but we we'll have that discussion. Um,

[2:32:49] and so we don't forget uh destination had made that request at our

[2:32:57] parks and facilities and technology meeting uh the last one.

[2:33:02] We had representatives here today. Um, Mrs. Eski. Uh, so I guess I'll put a

[2:33:12] motion on the floor that we provide destination on a waiver for the

[2:33:19] fee of the rental drilling and use of the park for the event this year.

[2:33:27] their discussion >> and they usually give us a do they

[2:33:33] usually give us a um >> yes they said they said they put us on a

[2:33:37] for policy additional insurance >> I think we got it too actually I feel

[2:33:41] like we did so additional insured there's no liability no cost to us it's

[2:33:46] a great uh great event for the community >> um they're doing it

[2:33:51] » so it's a great use for the park

[2:33:56] Okay, sounds good. >> Um,

[2:34:03] » yes. >> Sus,

[2:34:04] » yes. >> Yes.

[2:34:06] » Yes. >> Yes.

[2:34:12] » Just one other update. Look below.

[2:34:18] So the fence has been installed around

[2:34:23] the holding tank. So it's saf

[2:34:27] on there. >> And they paved the road to the pool

[2:34:30] today. >> Yeah, I saw that. I have to go like

[2:34:36] [clears throat]

[2:34:47] so good. All right. So, I guess we're we're done.

[2:34:51] » Yeah. I mean, just really quick on the pool though, um we didn't have to we

[2:34:57] going to have the first semester come out with lifeguards

[2:35:01] for that. Um uh because with our health inspection, we got to get a date fixed.

[2:35:07] » Gate fixed. >> Oh ready.

[2:35:09] » Yeah. >> Perfect. Thank you.

[2:35:11] » Fix it. Oh, good. Thank you. >> Thank you. And thank you Joe for

[2:35:16] overseeing that. >> So there's all that. But there was a

[2:35:20] couple hours I guess that we had to figure that out. So

[2:35:24] thank you for that. Um, you know, now I can't

[2:35:35] » mean the extra hours. >> No, no, it was it was the something else

[2:35:41] that came up over time.

[2:35:46] Oh. Um, that that's what it is. Over the weekend, I received um some phone calls

[2:35:53] uh from uh whoever was renting the pavilion on Saturday. Um I reached out

[2:35:59] to them to lower the music. Um and so I got more uh calls uh over the weekend on

[2:36:06] that on Saturday um and ask. Um so just wanted to put it out there when you look

[2:36:13] at you know who uh got the application you completely

[2:36:19] understand maybe we have to look at that like noise levels or you know things

[2:36:23] like that. So in the past depends where they sometimes point their speakers if

[2:36:28] if they're in the they're in the first pilion their speakers are pointing

[2:36:30] towards Angel Heights they you can actually hear it. Uh we've had that in

[2:36:36] the past and simple request of your speakers going towards the river.

[2:36:41] » Yeah. >> Well, and I think likely we had this

[2:36:45] conversation with um >> is it the same group from last year?

[2:36:50] » So, and they did do that. They did redirect speakers. However,

[2:36:56] you know what's what's what's tolerable level for one might not be the same to

[2:37:04] during the day. It's it's within it's within whatever ordinance there is sound

[2:37:11] level but it's irritant. Um, so how do you address that?

[2:37:18] » Just putting on your radar just so anyone else can't believe you got it.

[2:37:23] But they were responsive for a couple hours and yeah,

[2:37:27] try it. All right. Anything else? No.

[2:37:32] [clears throat] Uh, ethics board report Dale after report. Thank you. Appreciate

[2:37:36] it. Uh, climate chart report. Um yeah, the the main work we did was

[2:37:43] just uh to try to get ready for the grant submission. So we have not met

[2:37:48] since then. >> Any update on the garage?

[2:37:52] » Nope. It was submitted. So there won't be an update until we get

[2:37:56] » if we got >> if we get it or not and then we have the

[2:38:00] opportunity to uh refine it. [clears throat]

[2:38:04] » Um >> no, no. Uh so um

[2:38:11] uh Representative Hinching uh was able to make it today. Um but I do want to

[2:38:16] share he has been coming to a lot of the other meetings have been helpful uh in

[2:38:20] those those aspects. So we appreciate it. Uh but um he did share updates that

[2:38:25] he asked me to share as well. Uh so he has said that we are on the agenda uh

[2:38:31] for the August 20th admin committee in Coopertown. Uh, the board clerk tells me

[2:38:36] that our time slot is approximately 10:35 a.m. for discussion about the

[2:38:41] sales tax preemption agreement between the county and the city of Onana from

[2:38:45] 1991. Um, and then myself will be there. Joe

[2:38:50] Sher will be there.

[2:38:57] Um Tim Donahghue, director of public services, gave a very thorough virtual

[2:39:04] tour of the 400 acre campus uh and all of its buildings. Um

[2:39:11] household hazardous waste day is Friday and Saturday

[2:39:16] wire is attached. So, let me tell you about that. Uh, the 14th, August 14th to

[2:39:22] 15, August 14th from 8 to 11 at the new highway building and August 15th, uh,

[2:39:28] from 8 to 1 at the Metals office complex.

[2:39:33] Um, and

[2:39:36] uh, the county is trying to tighten up their policies and also create

[2:39:40] consequences for violations. Um uh he got a guided tour at both the

[2:39:45] jail and central kitchen in the tiny house community that is managed through

[2:39:49] DSS. >> Okay. Um and he has enrolled in

[2:39:52] Appalachia United Outdoors on behalf of

[2:40:01] » So thank you for that. Oh Ryan, you have that as well. We all got that. But put

[2:40:06] that in. Um, all right. Time for report.

[2:40:11] » Nothing to report. Um, I want to drill back at the board

[2:40:18] with that water. Um, so we're going to do that or

[2:40:24] rather than going out. Let's just do it. Set it.

[2:40:33] » Yeah. I mean we can certainly um think we could have by Monday.

[2:40:41] » Yeah. >> Wednesday,

[2:40:43] » tomorrow, Monday, Friday. >> I mean it done we should get it

[2:40:49] immediately. So when I said it Friday in the evening,

[2:40:53] » it's supposed to be three day at least three days notice or as is

[2:40:58] » practical but we shouldn't be >> but as we have seen here as as we have

[2:41:04] seen here this is a huge public safety issue that I would think that would

[2:41:09] » over over proceed that and we've also had other meetings less than that as

[2:41:14] well. Wednesday. >> I would I would actually say Monday so

[2:41:18] then we can get the RFP ready to go out. Correct.

[2:41:21] » Yes. >> Tuesday.

[2:41:23] » Yes. >> If it were Monday, we should do it at

[2:41:27] 4:00 because uh short-term rental starts at 5.

[2:41:33] » 4:30. 4:30. >> I don't have to kill time.

[2:41:39] » 4:30 Monday. >> 4:30 Monday. Right. For short-term

[2:41:43] rental, you want to try for >> I'd like to do it for five.

[2:41:48] » Yes. >> Um, we do have short-term rental. If Do

[2:41:51] you want to >> It should be quick.

[2:41:54] Right now, >> you want to do it at 4:55.

[2:41:57] » There should be discussion. >> How about 4:50 on Monday?

[2:42:03] » 4:50 p.m. on Monday.

[2:42:10] Yeah, we got a time constraint with playing hard is up against the

[2:42:15] » time. We got >> Thank you all. We'll get it for you.

[2:42:18] Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Um

[2:42:22] uh and um I was told I would have it in the morning. So as soon as I get it, I'm

[2:42:27] sure.

[2:42:33] So, you've already I was just I had an email queued up, but you've already got

[2:42:36] it. Thank you very much. >> It's going to change if they go out for

[2:42:39] Tuesday. I would go. >> Okay. Just so that's

[2:42:52] » Chris.

[2:43:00] Mr.

[2:43:04] Oh yeah. Um okay. Uh so now we have to uh do this

[2:43:11] before [clears throat] as well. We have to approve our bills. Uh so our

[2:43:18] » sorry approve our bills

[2:43:23] » that we just did. Uh so for the vouchers dated

[2:43:28] uh 2026-416 to 2026-485

[2:43:35] uh and the amount uh Judy pay is 1,00 no one. It's got to be more than

[2:43:42] » No, it is 1,000. I'm sorry. 1 million5 1 billion 1 057022.36.

[2:43:52] Thank you all the patience. is very late.

[2:43:55] » Very late. >> Be nice.

[2:43:58] » So, I make a motion payment of the [clears throat] bills.

[2:44:02] » I'll second that since I signed them. >> Thank you. Any discussion?

[2:44:06] » Just just in case you hadn't looked at the reason there's so much is we had

[2:44:10] fire contract with the city. The truck our payment was due as well as payment

[2:44:15] on >> the uh highway department truck.

[2:44:21] I believe we also

[2:44:38] » yes >> yes

[2:44:41] » yes >> yes

[2:44:43] » yes motion >> all right approve the minutes of the

[2:44:48] July town board One second. Back up. Question is that

[2:44:52] public motion resolution

[2:44:56] special meeting.

[2:45:00] » Motion to set a special meeting. >> Yeah.

[2:45:03] » Monday, August 17th at 4:50 p.m. to

[2:45:10] Woodland. >> Yeah. The RP.

[2:45:14] » I don't. Yes. So, we would just need a motion. So

[2:45:17] you made the motion, Teresa. >> I think I feel

[2:45:22] any discussion. >> Yes. Any discussion?

[2:45:28] » No. Roll call. >> All in favor?

[2:45:34] » Thanks for keeping us on track. Did that Ryan?

[2:45:38] » All right. Um, approve the minutes of the July 20 of July time meeting.

[2:45:44] » Motion [clears throat] to the eight. There were two meetings.

[2:45:49] » Yes. >> Of the July 8th town.

[2:45:51] » Yes. July 8th board. >> Okay. I make a motion we approve the

[2:45:54] minutes of the July 8th town. >> Second.

[2:46:02] » Was there a second or you're asking for? >> Oh, I was asking.

[2:46:06] » No, I'm sorry. I was trying to

[2:46:10] discussion.

[2:46:15] Okay. Uh all in favor [clears throat]

[2:46:22] motion carries. >> Thank you.

[2:46:26] Um in the packets we have the [clears throat]

[2:46:31] introduction uh for the town uh 2027 uh fiscal year budget schedule. Um and so I

[2:46:41] will just share with everyone. Uh so we will announce August 12th that we are

[2:46:46] announcing the uh budget process um uh and adopting the calendar. September

[2:46:51] 16th will be our first public budget workshop. September 30th uh we will have

[2:46:56] a tended budget files. Uh October 5th we will have a presentation um to the town

[2:47:03] board at a special meeting. Uh and October October 5th will be that special

[2:47:10] meeting. October 8th, we will have a second public budget workshop. Uh in

[2:47:15] October 14th, uh we will review any changes and establish the preliminary

[2:47:20] budget for public hearing. 29th, we will hold um the official public hearing on

[2:47:25] the preliminary budget. Uh and then 12 special meeting uh to consider the final

[2:47:33] revisions and adopt the fiscal year 2027 top budgets.

[2:47:38] And so we have any further discussion on that.

[2:47:44] » Good job. >> Thank you Teresa. Appreciate your help

[2:47:46] with that.

[2:47:53] » Um [clears throat] so we just need a motion

[2:47:57] for I mean resolution adopting the schedule and then the task.

[2:48:01] » One question. >> Yeah. Did Nicole get a copy?

[2:48:04] » Yeah. 10.

[2:48:10] [clears throat] >> So once again, a resolution and a can

[2:48:13] combine them. >> No, it is combined. So it's a resolution

[2:48:16] and then uh we're going to be setting the uh

[2:48:21] that's attached to it. So the uh the dates, the schedule is attached to the

[2:48:25] resolution. >> Sure. I made a motion that we approve

[2:48:29] the oh 20 the town of Oniana 2027 budget

[2:48:35] schedule resolution. >> Second.

[2:48:38] » Thank you. Uh and just for discussion just so we all it just says that you

[2:48:42] know therefore be approved the town board adopts the town uh 2027 schedule

[2:48:48] attached to the resolution. So you all know that's attached to it.

[2:48:52] » Okay. Any further discussion? >> Plug in the dates.

[2:48:56] » Yes. and Ryan, please schedule all those as well. Thank you.

[2:49:02] » Thank you. [clears throat] >> Any further discussion?

[2:49:06] » Roll call. >> Uh all in favor.

[2:49:15] [clears throat]

[2:49:21] » Um okay. Uh I had a request um from our town assessor who wanted to go to uh the

[2:49:29] annual uh training um and so I said that I will bring it to the board uh for

[2:49:38] um >> how much is it? Uh

[2:49:43] not much but

[2:49:48] 100 bucks you know. >> Yeah.

[2:49:52] » It would be allowable to approve anyway but I just think that's all just

[2:50:00] » um I motion uh to approve the training uh

[2:50:05] the tax train request second. and you've heard discussion

[2:50:11] roll off.

[2:50:17] » Okay. Anything else with the board for public comment?

[2:50:23] Okay. Uh the floor again uh for

[2:50:31] » Yes, that's some of it will be a little repended from earlier. our model over 19

[2:50:36] Jeffrey. Um, just kind of going back to Allstar Village again, kind of wondering

[2:50:42] I I maybe it sounds like a stupid question, but do they need the

[2:50:45] additional parking? Are they not finding parking for cars now or is there some

[2:50:49] further expansion coming up that um is it like I've heard about them expanding,

[2:50:54] but you know how rumors are. I don't know. So, I still kind of wonder about

[2:50:57] that. Um, and I do wonder if in their plans there could be a walkway over the

[2:51:04] highway. You know, I imagine that will cost quite a bit of money, but I also

[2:51:08] think they bring in a heck of a lot of money. Um, I think it's a safety issue

[2:51:12] on 23 coming here. The light is flashing red. You should stop. One of the people

[2:51:16] that pulled out of Allstar is inching their way through the red light. So, I

[2:51:21] mean, hopefully nothing horrible will happen there. Um, but I I just kind of

[2:51:26] wondering what's coming further if there needed more parking at this point and

[2:51:30] that's what they're looking for. Um, I agree with the gentleman that spoke

[2:51:34] earlier. Yes, it's been a lot of benefit from having a the baseball park here. I

[2:51:38] do understand that there's a revitalization on the west end which is

[2:51:42] wonderful. Um, about the prices of house property, I don't know, pros and cons. I

[2:51:48] don't know that I could afford to buy on anymore if I didn't own a house already.

[2:51:52] you know, it might be nice for selling a house, but for buying one,

[2:51:56] I think for a lot of us, you know, we're the prices are getting a little out of

[2:52:02] um just want to note the town pool. I I just a little bit curious there. One,

[2:52:07] again, it's a great resource there. It's kind of nice when you go there. It's not

[2:52:10] usually old, [clears throat] like it's really nice there. Um I the

[2:52:15] design like it it drops pretty quickly as far as the shallow or the shallower

[2:52:20] end into the deep end. I so I I can't imagine that's really too fixable

[2:52:25] without a great deal of money, but it is a great resource and it's great to see

[2:52:29] that being built up. Also, um I appreciate about the solar panels that

[2:52:35] you're looking to put it on like roofs of buildings or in the parking like

[2:52:39] versus using fields, grass fields. So that was um I appreciate hearing that.

[2:52:45] Um tax revenue and archaic formula sounds

[2:52:48] like schools budgets and good luck with returning that. But maybe you'll catch

[2:52:52] me. I don't know. Um >> do you want to come on the 19th?

[2:52:58] » What >> do you want to come with us on the 19th?

[2:53:00] Sure enough. [laughter] >> I'd have to read off something there.

[2:53:05] Maybe. Um, [clears throat] I appreciate that there was a special meeting for the

[2:53:11] Woodland RFP and [clears throat] not approving it blindly without knowing the

[2:53:16] dates and stuff like that. I just, you know, I would hate to see somebody dig a

[2:53:20] hold of those. They're just approving something without all the information.

[2:53:24] Um,

[2:53:31] sorry. [laughter]

[2:53:35] Um just a thought in regard to um planning for that whether or not you're

[2:53:42] determining to pay the professional fee for um expert opinions

[2:53:48] um you know and talking about revise the what's put out there now to make it more

[2:53:52] specific lawyer advice obviously they could

[2:53:56] advise you best but I understand why that might be yes but sometimes when you

[2:54:01] put really tight cur parameters on something. It also ties your hands a

[2:54:05] little bit more. So, I think it's the pros and cons of how many parameters you

[2:54:09] put on when they do or don't refer it for a second opinion. Um, just something

[2:54:14] that might for the board to think about like how many do you want to turn on?

[2:54:22] And then the short-term rental meetings, they're open to the public, right? Those

[2:54:25] committing to receive.

[2:54:30] » That's it. I appreciate everything you guys do.

[2:54:32] » No, thank you. I appreciate you for coming. Always having great options for

[2:54:36] us and staying until you know the very end. So, thank you.

[2:54:39] » I don't work anymore. So, >> you never have questions or process. I'm

[2:54:43] happy to always have a conversation. You guys call me or something. Uh, but I

[2:54:47] mean I guess I I could share on this, but on the application uh if you haven't

[2:54:51] seen it for cycling, they they >> do have plans in there for an overpass,

[2:54:58] just so you know. >> Oh, okay. I missed that. Yeah. So, so if

[2:55:01] you weren't like an expert engineer or knowing of it, um, but there are there

[2:55:06] just so you're you're aware of that. Um, I regarding your pool concerns. Um, that

[2:55:12] is something we're addressing as well because that's not what the

[2:55:15] » initial scope was supposed to be and so we'll through that. Okay.

[2:55:19] » Um, uh, and the goal is for that to be fixed next year, not at our so

[2:55:26] » you follow the plans that's on them. >> We are Yeah, we will do that. And so,

[2:55:30] you know, appreciate everything that, you know, Joe has been doing with that

[2:55:34] as well. >> Thank you.

[2:55:37] » Thank you again.

[2:55:42] » Anyone else? >> Okay,

[2:55:46] » there's one more crucial motion. >> No, I hate to do this, but I'm going to

[2:55:51] make a motion that we enter executive session for the purpose of discussing a

[2:55:54] jury. >> Discussing what? I have to say,

[2:56:00] right? Yes. >> Discussing what?

[2:56:02] » Personnel. >> Personnel.

[2:56:03] » Why not? Yeah. >> Uh, so just so all that knows when we

[2:56:08] have a special uh executive session that we have to close it all the

[2:56:13] [clears throat] second. Yeah. Second.

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