[0:05] Welcome everyone. If you could please take a seat, we'd like to call the meeting to order for the Oral Valley Town Council Regular and budget study session, May 6, 2021. Mr. Standish, roll call, please. Vice Mayor Barrett.

[0:21] Here.

[0:22] Council Member Green.

[0:24] Council Member Jones Ivy.

[0:26] Council Member Murphy.

[0:28] Council Member Nicholson.

[0:29] Here.

[0:30] Council Member Rob.

[0:31] Here.

[0:32] And Mayor Windfield.

[0:33] We have six of seven members of Council President.

[0:36] Would you please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance.

[1:01] Thank you.

[1:03] Mr. Sandish will announce upcoming meetings.

[1:08] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:09] The Water Utility Commission will hold their next regular session on May 11th at 5 p.m.

[1:15] and the Hopi Conference Room. Then the Tourism Advisory Commission will meet on May 18th at 4 p.m.

[1:20] and the Hopi Conference Room. The Budget and Finance Commission will hold their next meeting on May 19th at 4 p.m.

[1:26] here in the Council Chambers. And then the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board will hold their next meeting on May 19th at 6 p.m.

[1:33] and the Hopi Conference Room and then the next town council regular session is currently scheduled

[1:38] for May 20th at 6 p.m. here in the council chambers.

[1:41] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:42] Thank you, Mr. Standish.

[1:43] We'll go to council reports this evening.

[1:46] Council member Rob.

[1:49] Thank you.

[1:51] Perfect.

[1:53] I had the honor of going to, I think, called the Crystal Apple Awards, where they honored some of our

[1:57] local teachers, and I thought they deserved another mention.

[2:02] Mrs. Nichol Bratt and Brad Blanchard, excuse me, iron-rich high school, Eric Gutierrez from

[2:08] Lehman Academy, Cynthia Johnson from Cassidio High School, and Jose Obergon from Wilson

[2:15] K.8.

[2:16] And the coolest thing about this was that the students actually nominated the teachers then

[2:21] they went and they actually presented the awards to them and told them why they deserved

[2:24] it.

[2:24] So they got the chance to go up there and practice at talking skills and it was really a heartwarming

[2:28] ceremony.

[2:31] Also, on behalf of our Missing Council member today, Project Graduation is happening very soon

[2:37] and they desperately need some help with people setting up, tearing down and working

[2:41] the night off.

[2:43] So if you're so inclined and you're available, please go to the website and go to the

[2:47] Signup Genus Genus Genus Genus link and see if you can help.

[2:53] Thanks so much.

[2:55] Councilmember Green.

[2:58] Thank.

[2:59] One more. Councilmember Rod.

[3:01] Apologies. I forgot. I have one more.

[3:04] Also got to go to a youth pickleball tournament called Ready Set Pickle.

[3:09] It was in conjunction with our parks and rex folks.

[3:12] It was held at the Community Center.

[3:14] And they had a 150 youth participate in it this year.

[3:17] And it was really amazing seeing all the kids out there having fun.

[3:21] And one of our Councilmember's sons actually plays second.

[3:26] Councilmember Green. Thank you Mr. Mayor. In April we were treated to two brilliant discussions at desert springs.

[3:39] One was the status of water in oral valley by Peter Abraham and it was one of the most remarkable synopsis of the water situation I've ever heard anywhere.

[3:52] The second one was, what's going to happen on the other end of the bridge to nowhere?

[4:00] On the east side of Oracle, and that was delivered by Michael Spate.

[4:06] And both of those individuals kept the audience spellbound with their descriptions.

[4:12] I'm so grateful that we have such great staff.

[4:16] Thank you.

[4:18] Okay, we'll go to Mr. Wilkins, we'll present his report this evening.

[4:23] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[4:25] Our partners at Golden Ranch Fire District asked us to present this new app that they,

[4:32] with our residents, so Nimble is a free program to Golden Ranch Fire District residents.

[4:38] The purpose of this is to reduce fall risk.

[4:42] So it's a combination of balance exercises and cognitive training.

[4:46] So the key benefits are improving stability, coordination, and confidence in everyday movements.

[4:52] And it's shown that 90% of the users report and improve confidence in steadiness.

[4:57] So thank you for our partners at the Goal to Ranch for bringing that to our attention.

[5:02] For upcoming events, it's filling fast.

[5:06] OV Parks and Rec hosting weekly summer camps.

[5:09] This is the camps that run from June to July for kids age six to 12.

[5:15] So, I believe we have just a handful of openings, so but you can go on to play OV.com to fill

[5:24] a slot.

[5:26] Also, our Celebrate OV Concert Series, again, this next Friday on May 8th, 6th, 8th, 8th,

[5:33] We have a band named Barnaby and the butcher and the food truck is 23 spices and then a week

[5:40] Beyond that on May 15th again, it's sick from 6.8 30 Southern Reigns band and the food truck is much premium

[5:48] Franks and sausages and then our movies on the line are kicking in so Saturday may 16th

[5:57] Zootopia 2 and it's a movie from just in 2025 so thank you Mr. Mayor. Thank you Mr. Wilkins

[6:05] In reviewing the order of business for this evening, I'd like to recommend Council that we

[6:12] counseled the budget study session, given the fact that we had a successful Monday night

[6:18] budget study session in a, okay, all right. So with that, the budget study session is cancelled.

[6:27] Thank you. We'll go to call to audience, pursuant to the Arizona Open Meeting Law, Mayor and

[6:33] Council are not allowed to discuss, respond to or take legal action on matters, raised

[6:38] during call to audience at the conclusion of call to audience, Council members may direct

[6:43] town staff to review the matter, ask that the matter be placed on a future agenda or respond

[6:48] to criticism made by speakers.

[6:51] When I call your name, if you please come forward, state your name and whether or not you're

[6:55] a resident of Oral Valley, Sean Glazer.

[6:57] Hello,

[7:09] my name is Sean Glaser and I am a resident of Oral Valley Mayor, Council members.

[7:14] The right of the people to be secure in their persons houses, papers and effects against

[7:18] unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrants shall issue but upon

[7:23] probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be

[7:28] searched and or the persons.

[7:30] Or things to be seized. This was in response to the rich of assistance, general warrants that allowed British officials to search any person or place that will. James Otis called these the worst instruments of arbitrary power, because they placed the liberty of every citizen at the mercy of any petty official. Today, the flock system assumes that roll. It collects everyone's movements, innocent, innocent, innocent, innocent, and this is expected alike and puts that information in the hands of every officer. This level of pervasiveness transforms mere observation into a search.

[8:00] While the Fourth Amendment doesn't ban searches, it mandates they'd be reasonable.

[8:03] While the Fourth Amendment doesn't, sorry, it is reasonable to be seen in public.

[8:07] It is not however reasonable for the government or anyone for that matter to compile a

[8:11] 30-day search log of your movements. This is the definition of mass surveillance.

[8:16] Ignoring this, the council points to a transparency portal that offers no real protection.

[8:20] If they had actually indeed scrutinized the portal, they'd see it for what it is.

[8:24] A copy pasted marketing and template, identical to dozens of other cities,

[8:28] It provides no meaningful audit data and intentionally hides reality of data sharing,

[8:32] which isn't transparency its transparency theater.

[8:35] This portal doesn't prevent abuse at Maskset, which isn't hypothetical fear.

[8:39] It's a documented reality. Since 2024, at least 14 different officers nationwide,

[8:44] have been caught using this ALPR data for personal stocking.

[8:47] Most incidences came to light only after victims reported the officer's behavior to the police,

[8:52] typically in the context of a broader stocking allegation.

[8:56] When the oversight is a sham, we are forced to rely on the vendor's integrity, the

[9:00] flock safety.

[9:01] But that, unfortunately, is being exposed as a fraud as well.

[9:04] Just two weeks ago, while I was up here talking to you, Oshkosh Wisconsin, their city council

[9:09] voted 7-0 to rescind the flock contract, less than 24 hours after approval.

[9:14] Why?

[9:15] Because flock provided false information about their tracking capabilities to the council.

[9:20] The Oshkosh police chief, subsequently, the Oshkosh police was actually the one who was

[9:24] for this technology initially. He worth drew his recommendation stating that he could no longer

[9:28] recommend the flock. Do that this is misrepresentation. And the council member that was

[9:32] lied to, basically said, I don't like being lied to. I urge this council to follow that lead and

[9:37] stop trusting flock, protect our community and council to contract. And because I have a little bit

[9:42] more time, there's a Supreme Court case. I think from 1984, it was called United States first

[9:47] D. Ray, which stated the fourth amendment places obstacles in the way of two permeating a police

[9:52] valence, favoring foundational liberty over administrative efficiency, which is a very hot

[9:58] button topic today. The Fourth Amendment requires that law enforcement face friction, making

[10:03] the widespread automated surveillance in the old life lock, the violation of that principle,

[10:07] and with that, a yield of my time. Thank you.

[10:10] Colleen McCarthy.

[10:25] My name is Colleen McCarthy, and I do live in Oral Valley.

[10:30] Last Friday with my neighbors, I attended the HOA Sponsored Precentation by Quantum Fiber.

[10:36] We were a little bit surprised, they announced that they are the second of three fiber optics companies to move into ORL Valley.

[10:45] There were a number of other additional surprises during the presentation.

[10:51] It will be the only public meeting that will be held for quantum,

[10:56] even though they are currently planning on construction in a very small section of the town.

[11:02] They are planning to complete the construction over the next four years, and they told us

[11:08] that it will take 30 to 35 days to complete construction in each area.

[11:14] Then the notice came from the age, so that the notice came from the HOA and not the

[11:19] town was a little surprising, and some members in the audience, which by the way was very

[11:24] small, said the ignored the HOA email not attending until they received a door hanger

[11:30] said construction would begin very soon. They make great promises to be good neighbors and clean up

[11:37] after themselves, but you have to go through the HOA to get them to address the issues. As

[11:43] the HOA doesn't answer the phone and the doors are locked, you can only reach them through email.

[11:50] Attendees raised the issue, some quietly, some loudly that this was not a solution,

[11:55] but promises were made.

[11:58] My neighborhood just completed the wire construction six plus weeks ago.

[12:03] The work happened over about three or four work days as well as weekends, and I'll

[12:07] even though we were told that they never worked Friday through Sunday.

[12:12] It was longer for me as South West Gas decided that my gas line had to be replaced immediately,

[12:19] but wire-drunk dumped them off the work.

[12:22] But all in all, the insurance was short, but not terribly satisfactory.

[12:28] Some neighbors have had their front yards torn up and not put back appropriately.

[12:33] Some have had issues with water lines.

[12:36] Some of us have yellow flags or tuffty little yellow things throughout our yards.

[12:41] And both cold assacks have multiple paints on all over the road.

[12:46] When the town was contacted, we were told to contact the HOA.

[12:49] The HOA said it wasn't them, but to contact the town.

[12:54] I guess my questions are what's next?

[12:57] How long do we last with yellow tuffs and flags

[13:01] and paint all over our yard if you're trying to sell your house?

[13:04] That will be a downer.

[13:07] And to quote Abbott and Castella,

[13:10] who's on the first.

[13:11] Thank you.

[13:14] I have no other blue cards for call to audience.

[13:17] Mr. Wilkins in regards to this last statement, can you please provide council with some explanation or clarification as to when residents contact the towns.

[13:31] It's my understanding that we issue a permit to these companies.

[13:37] So it seems like we have some responsibility and we won't go into it.

[13:42] Okay.

[13:42] All right, we'll provide a report.

[13:44] Okay, thank you.

[13:47] We'll go to presentations, presentation, one, Mr. Standish, presentation of a graduating

[13:55] youth advisory council members.

[13:59] All right.

[14:00] Our constituent services coordinator, Ms. Heind, will present this item.

[14:07] Thanks so short.

[14:12] Good evening, Mayor and members of Council.

[14:14] I'm Jessica Heind, and I'm the advisor for the oral valley youth advisory council.

[14:19] I'm here this evening to recognize the 2026 outgoing members of the Oral Valley Youth Advisory Council.

[14:27] First, I would like to thank you all for your continued support and the provided opportunities you have given the group as they continue to expand their presence within our community.

[14:40] The Youth Advisory Council's mission is to develop the voices of Oral Valley's youth and channel their passions to enhance our community.

[14:48] They aim to bridge gaps in the community by creating and participating in many town events and to serve as a voice for the youth and local government.

[15:00] Group has added an event to their yearly activities and hosted a very successful February movie night.

[15:07] The event had about 110 dees and will definitely be back next year.

[15:12] The act also wanted to adopt a section of tangerine road to promote the importance of keeping a community clean and continue to clean on tangerine between La Canata and La Choya Boulevard.

[15:26] Having worked closely with each of these young adults I can attest to their dedication and love for our community.

[15:33] It has truly been a pleasure working with them over the past few years.

[15:37] I am so excited to watch them all take on their next chapter

[15:41] and I know that they will make our community proud.

[15:46] I will now call each ongoing or outgoing member by their name

[15:51] and ask that you stand up with me for a group photo

[15:54] and may or if you wanted to come down.

[15:59] Thank you.

[16:09] So first we have Kenna Brock.

[16:13] She is from Basis, Oral Valley,

[16:14] and she will be attending Fordham University.

[16:28] I'll do the group photo.

[16:34] And then from South Point Catholic High School

[16:36] and our outgoing youth advisory council vice president

[16:39] is Eva Alvarado.

[16:41] and Eva will be attending Northwestern University.

[16:54] And I just want to say, because I think they skipped it,

[16:57] Ken is also our outgoing president of the Youth Advisory Council.

[17:05] And then from Ironwood Ridge and our outgoing Youth Advisory Council Secretary,

[17:09] Addison Blackburn, who will be attending Texas A&M.

[17:31] And then from University High School,

[17:33] said, Vika, Jigada, Savika will be attending the Frank Honors College at the University of Arizona.

[17:47] And then from Basis or a Valley, and our outgoing, or a Valley Youth Advisory Council

[17:53] Treasurer, we have Nihar Goal Poly, and Nihar will be attending Dartmouth College.

[18:43] Thank you, Jessica. Thank you, young people.

[18:56] Okay. The next item is the consent agenda. I do have two blue cards. This is a bit out

[19:03] of the ordinary, but I am going to invite these folks to come up. As a result, I'm going

[19:11] to pull item B and C from the consent agenda. So I move to approve A and D at the consent

[19:19] agenda. So I'm saying if I count some member green, any discussion,

[19:24] I can't remember Nicholson, we pull C to I did say pull.

[19:28] Thoughts are, but yeah, any discussion, I'm in favor say I, I,

[19:34] any opposed name. The eyes have it six zero. I'd like to invite

[19:39] Jennifer Stern to come forward. Please state your name and whether or not

[19:42] you are a resident of Oral Valley. This is related to item B of the

[19:47] and Centagenda, which is resolution number R-26-17,

[19:52] delegating authority to the Oral Valley Chief of Police

[19:55] to sign an interest subrecipient agreement

[19:59] between the town of Oral Valley

[20:01] and the Arizona Department of Homeland Security

[20:03] to find equipment under the Operation Stone Garden Program.

[20:06] Mr. Ern.

[20:08] Thank you, Mayor.

[20:09] Thank you, Council.

[20:11] My name's Jennifer Stern, and I live in Tucson.

[20:13] I am not a resident of Oral Valley.

[20:18] I just want to mention that the money that is coming in to buy night vision goggles for

[20:26] our police department here, recently that same budget stone garden, also provided drones

[20:34] to sound police departments recently.

[20:37] It's very interesting that your money that's supposed to be for Boro Valley is going outside

[20:42] for a valley. One, and the drones that you installed, they may be for like first-risk

[20:49] wander use, but they actually have been proven to be very unreliable, not checked, misused.

[21:00] And that happened to a Denver woman. She was taking a bath in the second floor of her home,

[21:06] and all of a sudden she looked out the window, and the police did confirm that they had a drone

[21:11] right outside her window while she was taking a bath.

[21:15] There are no protections for our privacy as citizens these days.

[21:19] And we don't know if this technology is going to be used for the immigrants that are supposedly labeled criminals,

[21:27] for just crossing a line, literally crossing over, trying to find a better life for themselves.

[21:33] Their infraction is just as civil disobedience.

[21:37] It's nothing more, and we are criminalizing them and putting them in concentration camps.

[21:44] These drones, and the night vision goggles that you want to approve,

[21:49] they could be used against citizens.

[21:52] And I also looked at the data.

[21:53] I like to ask interesting questions.

[21:57] When immigration crackdowns happen in this country, what does the data show?

[22:02] But that has shows that the wage distribution in the United States goes down for everyone.

[22:10] So we're literally putting criminalized militarized forces against people who are here trying to make a living and better place for themselves.

[22:22] Contributing to our taxes, contributing to our communities and we're voting against ourselves.

[22:30] We're investing against ourselves. The answer is not militarization. It's not, maybe we need to pay our police

[22:39] force more. I don't know. But there are things that police safety even come to mind. So another research, it's available on science direct.

[22:52] It basically says that the militarization of the police force increases killings by the police and reduces police safety.

[23:04] Each year police militarization in this article was from 2021.

[23:08] one, it results in 64 additional killings, 12,440 police officer assaults, and 202,653 police

[23:22] officer injuries.

[23:24] This is like tools we're investing in.

[23:27] We don't know the repercussions of what this new technology could bring.

[23:31] Mr. Stern, your time is expired.

[23:32] Thank you.

[23:37] I move to approve consent agenda item B, second, second, by Councilmember Nicholson, any discussion?

[23:46] Mr. Mayor.

[23:47] Vice Mayor?

[23:48] Can we just have our police representative address any of those concerns?

[23:53] No, we can.

[23:59] Mr. Mayor, Mr. Vice Mayor, which ones would you like me to address?

[24:04] This is for night vision goggles, but it seemed like there was some concern that money was being funneled through a different program.

[24:10] This is just for night vision.

[24:11] This is just for night vision goggles that are being funded from unused funds in 2022

[24:17] that we had access to to upgrade existing equipment.

[24:22] And we've utilized operations, don't burden grants in the past, have we not?

[24:26] Just men we have.

[24:28] About how long have we been doing that?

[24:30] I'd have to look for the accurate time frame, but it's been a while.

[24:34] We use it for deployments over time funding and in some cases equipment.

[24:40] Yeah.

[24:41] Okay.

[24:41] I think we've been doing that most of the time that I've been on this council that we've been utilizing these grants and these have been coming forward on the consent agenda.

[24:49] So, I mean, favor of approving.

[24:50] Thank you.

[24:51] I just wanted to clarify those.

[24:53] Yes, thank you.

[24:54] Any more discussion?

[24:55] Councilmember Murphy.

[24:58] Commander, sorry.

[25:00] Here, back up.

[25:01] Just one quick question.

[25:02] Any of the monies that are approved for oral valley PD, do we pay for things for TPD, like drones?

[25:13] Mr. Mayor, Councilwoman Murphy, that's not my understanding of agency has to individually apply for grant funding for their own uses.

[25:28] All in favor, say aye.

[25:30] Aye.

[25:31] Any opposed, nay?

[25:33] Yes.

[25:33] Have it six zero.

[25:35] The next item that was pulled was item C.

[25:37] Resolution number R26-18.

[25:40] Approving an extension option to renew the intergovernmental agreement,

[25:45] IGA, between the Town of World Valley and P. Mcounty,

[25:47] for animal control services for one year.

[25:51] Sue Dugan.

[25:52] And Mr. Dugan, if you would please limit your comments to the animal

[25:57] control. There's two items on your card and when you come up if you would please

[26:04] state your name and whether or not you are a resident of Oral Valley.

[26:09] Yep, my name is Sue Duchen and I live at La Resolve right above the bridge to

[26:15] nowhere. So I've been here a while. Animal control for five years I've had a

[26:22] them with feces being picked up in the yard. I've been here a couple of times in the past

[26:29] years about this and what I'd like to see, I know you contract out to Pima County but

[26:36] if you could include in that that they send enforcement officers out to take care of citizen

[26:43] complaints. Because you can get threatened, you could get shot. Everyone is really angry right now

[26:51] this country about everything that's going on. And no one needs to be threatened. So if you can,

[27:01] I mean, I also live in Colorado. I live in an area where we also contract out to the county,

[27:12] but they send offices out. If you call, low come out and take care of a problem,

[27:16] to someone gets bitten. What Pima does, they send a letter and they say, we'll send a letter to

[27:22] your neighbor and in three days you have to pick up the poop. In the meantime you have to

[27:27] police it yourself. That's that's where the danger is and that's my problem. So I'm hoping

[27:34] that you'll extend this contract to cover a little bit more other than what you have in

[27:40] not right now. Thank you.

[27:43] Thank you. Mr. Wilkins, could you please provide council

[27:47] with a brief summary of the services that are provided to the town via this agreement?

[27:54] Okay, thank you.

[27:55] I move to approve item C of the consent agenda.

[27:59] Second, saying to like council member Green, any discussion?

[28:04] Council member Nicholson?

[28:06] Let's say I talked to the council member of Marana, a lovely council member of my

[28:10] ed less year at League of Cities and I know they do their own animal control and they

[28:16] very much like it and they thought if we work together pull resources and possibly do a

[28:22] lot cheaper have some financial savings and potentially better service, I mean she thought so

[28:28] and I respect her very greatly so I'm fine with having a year extension but I don't know

[28:34] we could have staff, talk to people, Marana, maybe save money and have a little better service

[28:38] for our residents' speech.

[28:41] My suggestion, Councillor Neckleson, is to bring that up as a future agenda item.

[28:46] Thank you.

[28:47] Vice Mayor?

[28:49] Can we have clarified how much we pay for this service?

[28:55] Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor.

[28:56] We actually don't pay anything.

[28:59] We had paid for the last five years.

[29:02] The arrangement is that any registrations for your animals would just go directly to

[29:09] I mean, I think that that's fair because our residents, our residents of Pima County, they pay property taxes to Pima County, and this is a service that they received from Pima County.

[29:19] So I don't know if there would be much cost savings in trying to do something different.

[29:23] So I'm in favor of continuing with this affordable way in system moving forward.

[29:30] It may be worth exploring.

[29:32] So if you want to bring it to a future agenda.

[29:36] get a second. Okay, so we have a motion on the table to approve a

[29:40] consent agenda item C, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed

[29:45] nay? The eyes have at six zero. I will go to regular agenda item one, Mr.

[29:50] Standish. Public hearing, resolution number R26-20, adopting the Oral Valley's

[29:57] path forward, general plan, and submitting it to the voters of the

[30:00] Thank you. We have a public hearing for this agenda item. I'm opening the public hearing now. When I call your name, if you would please come forward, state your name and whether or not you are a resident of Oral Valley, Cheryl LaMona.

[30:32] My name is Cheryl LaMona and I am an Oral Valley resident. Before I moved here 20 years ago, I was never involved in local politics. I didn't even know what a general plan was.

[30:42] But five years later, I became active in our politics when a rezoning was

[30:47] erroneously being passed off as a text amendment, and I remained involved ever

[30:52] since then, and so this year I decided I would volunteer to participate on the

[30:57] revision for the general plan. While I only signed up for the development

[31:01] group, I discovered there was so much overlap with the other topics such as

[31:06] development affects water, it affects the roads. So I ended up participating in a number of

[31:13] other Zoom meetings with the other groups that were involved. Now resident guidance was really

[31:19] of utmost importance to me because we didn't want a repeat of what happened in 2003.

[31:27] And for those of you that don't know, in 2003, the plan update was defeated by the voters

[31:32] because by the time it got presented to Council for their approval, so many changes had been made that it no longer reflected what the people had expressed as their desires for the town.

[31:43] Well, it's probably no surprise to learn that one of the biggest controversies with that field plan was managing growth to preserve the character of or a valley, and that's still an issue today.

[31:54] For example, back then, one of the proposed changes with the land use maps would have eliminated the requirement for a formal application, would have bypassed the town's public process, and excluded input from neighbors.

[32:10] Well, that doesn't work. Well, in our valley, you've seen this room filled with people because

[32:15] so many or a valley residents want a voice. And that's why Molini and Bire and Renee,

[32:21] and all of the resident working groups have worked so hard to ensure that resident voices

[32:25] aren't reflected in the or a valley path forward plan. So in closing, I'd just like to publicly

[32:31] compliment Molini and Bire for their leadership during this revision. They distributed

[32:36] our homework in advance, so we would be familiar with the topics. The meetings were held via Zoom,

[32:42] at convenient times. They maintain civility on the calls, even when some of the group members

[32:47] had different opinions. And most importantly, they focused on us creating a plan that mirrored

[32:54] the guidance that was provided by the thousands of Oravale residents, so big thanks needs to go out to them.

[32:59] So, I feel confident that if you don't make any changes and you decide that you're going to vote in favor of this tonight that it will be well received by the town residents because their voices were heard.

[33:12] Thank you.

[33:14] Emily Varus, I apologize if I've mispronounced your name.

[33:25] Thanks, you got it. My name is Emily Varus.

[33:27] I'm an oral valier resident, and just to add a little bit more on there, I'm also a 36 year old mom of three kids in a stay at home mom, and I'm a member of the Parks and Rec Commission.

[33:39] I want to start by also thanking Melini and Byron Renee for their leadership and for making space for community voices throughout this process.

[33:47] As someone raising young children, I felt that it was important to represent my perspective.

[33:52] as the younger generation of families who are building their lives and investing in the future of this community.

[33:58] I'm so thankful that they made a direct effort to include me even when it required virtual meetings.

[34:04] It was really appreciated.

[34:07] I strongly support continuing investments in projects that make Oro Valley more usable and welcoming for families,

[34:12] including improvements like adding shade structures at neuron-hop parks, specifically over the play area.

[34:19] It directly impacts how often families and children and older residents can safely and comfortably

[34:24] use our parks and public spaces.

[34:27] I also believe it's important for oral valley to continue exploring indoor recreation and

[34:32] play opportunities for children during the summer months.

[34:35] For those of us that don't leave the city, you know, three or four months out of the year,

[34:40] we're still here in those 120 degree temps and being stuck inside with three little kids can

[34:46] be quite try. So I really want to encourage that the town continue to explore ways that they can

[34:53] support young families during those hot summer months as we've seen it get hotter and hotter and

[34:58] hotter. This plan matters because the decisions we make now will shape the kind of town our

[35:03] children go up in. I'm proud to support the work that's been done and grateful to have been part of

[35:07] the conversation. Thank you. Kate Hotten.

[35:21] Good evening. My name is Kate Hotten. I'm the cool executive

[35:23] director of the Coalition for Snow and Desert Protection. I am a resident of the city of Tucson,

[35:29] but we work across Pima County. I'm here tonight to speak in support of Oral Valley's

[35:34] draft general plan in front of you this evening. As part of this plan the town continues to do

[35:39] an incredible job with the Arroyal Grande and Tandrine 80 growth areas especially. These are two areas

[35:46] of unincorporated Pima County and state trust land that have been or are being planned with

[35:52] conservation in mind.

[35:55] For over 20 years now, work has been under way to permanently conserve open space in the

[35:59] Royal Grande.

[36:00] That's not only for all the benefits that we get from open space, but also because this

[36:04] area sits within a critical wildlife linkage between the Atlantic, Santa Canalena, and

[36:08] Tortolita Mountains.

[36:10] And wildlife linkage is just a connected, largely undeveloped corridor of land that allows

[36:15] wildlife to move freely between habitats in this case, the Santa Canalena Mountains, and

[36:20] toward elite mountains. In fact, not a bridge to know where that bridge earlier connects those two

[36:25] mountain ranges. This has been a long collaborative and science-backed effort involving the

[36:31] town of Oral Valley, Pima County, Arizona State land department staff, Sun City, and its residents,

[36:37] other community members, as well as environmental transportation experts, including the regional

[36:42] transportation authority.

[36:44] Based on research from aid aunt, Arizona

[36:46] Game & Fish Department and others,

[36:47] this linkage is one of the 16 highest priority

[36:50] in the State of Arizona out of 152.

[36:54] It also faces the highest development pressure of those 16.

[36:58] The conclusion from follow-up research

[36:59] is back in 2007 and eight is that future urbanization I

[37:04] quote, should not occur within this linkage.

[37:07] And because of that, the railroad Grand Day Wildlife

[37:09] quarter was planned into the special area policy in 2008.

[37:13] It's about 6,000 acres and roughly a kilometer wide.

[37:16] Since then we've seen continued investment in this quarter with that bridge that we heard

[37:20] mentioned this evening, also an underpass nearby.

[37:24] And importantly, this quarter is planned alongside appropriate development elsewhere in the

[37:28] are going to a planning area.

[37:30] It does not stop growth, but directs it to where it makes most sense.

[37:34] The nearby tangerine A80 growth area is also an incredible landscape, with mature ironwoods,

[37:39] Sahoros, and several high-value riparian areas, and its prime habitat for the cactus fruginous

[37:44] pygmy owl. The coalition looks forward to engaging in future public processes as that area

[37:50] moves towards a more detailed planning phase as well. So tonight we want to commend staff for bringing

[37:55] for a general plan that continues or a valley's forward

[37:58] of looking commitment to balancing the protection

[38:01] of its natural setting, which is stunning,

[38:04] while growing thoughtfully.

[38:05] And we are very pleased with Melinius,

[38:08] especially in her inclusion of us in that process.

[38:10] We encourage the Council to support this draft

[38:12] and to continue supporting conservation efforts

[38:14] in the Aurora Grande and Tangerine 880 growth areas.

[38:17] Thank you very much this evening.

[38:20] Colleen McCarthy,

[38:34] that's OK.

[38:37] My name is Colleen MacArthur and I still live in Oral Valley.

[38:43] Thank you for taking the time to review the work that so many community members and fabulous staff.

[38:49] That's a good idea.

[38:50] Ms. Anderson's staff put into this project.

[38:54] We all feel that we know what's best for our neighborhood and what it can support.

[38:59] And I can say that I appreciated the good intentions of everyone in this project.

[39:05] Throughout the process, even in disagreement, people were always respectful, always thoughtful,

[39:13] always focused on what the community needs, but at the same time balancing what the residents have said,

[39:20] they really want Orovali to be.

[39:23] As a homeowner, I am interested in the future of Orovali, hoping my town will reflect my values and my vision for my home.

[39:33] as echoed in every thing that the town proclaims to be.

[39:39] Part of what drives my vision is something that a few of you know about

[39:43] my career in California.

[39:45] I worked in transportation in the Silicon Valley private sector,

[39:50] following the Loma Prieta earthquake.

[39:52] I was asked, I was called to testify before Congress about the efficacy

[39:58] of the programs I developed.

[40:00] From there, I was recruited to work for Santa Clara County on the nine-bearing counties on other transportation issues.

[40:10] I retired after working a nonprofit, low-income housing, and in 19-2022, I moved to Oral Valley after a great deal of research on the town except for the heat.

[40:25] I chose to participate in the Development Committee not because of my background in transportation,

[40:33] but because I felt that I wanted to sort my incredible neighbors who, like me, purchased their homes specifically for the

[40:56] In our 24-hour home neighborhood, excluding the five Airbnb and B's,

[41:01] Airbnb's or rentals, at least six households have worked in with or for government.

[41:08] So if Mike's neighborhood is an example, please do not ever underestimate the knowledge

[41:13] of our Ovalor residence.

[41:15] One thing I do feel obligated to say is regardless of this evening's outcome or the outcome of the election.

[41:21] I and we expect that whatever projects comes within 100 feet of our homes, there will be transparency and civil honesty from developers and from staff.

[41:35] It is what not what we experienced last time, but as to least we should expect.

[41:41] Thank you and I hope you move this forward.

[41:43] Okay. Tom, I believe it's Tom.

[41:50] Mr. Pew, you've asked to speak for more than three minutes.

[41:54] I appreciate you asking, but I'm going to deny that

[41:58] out of respect for my council member staff and so on and so forth.

[42:01] This process has been going on for nearly three years

[42:05] with many opportunities to address the general plan.

[42:08] So you have three minutes.

[42:10] Okay.

[42:10] I think I can handle it in three minutes.

[42:13] So my name is Tom Pue.

[42:15] I live in Pima County.

[42:16] I'm happily a resident of Pima County.

[42:19] I moved here two years before your community was founded in 1972.

[42:27] And I represented the seedling of the California Foothill Association,

[42:31] which was incorporated in 1956.

[42:34] And it's an organization that represents over 1,700 homes.

[42:42] And we are absolutely firmly against being annexed by Oral Valley.

[42:51] We're very happy the way we are.

[42:53] And I appreciate the beauty of this area.

[42:56] But the Catalina Foot Hill Association is worked great for the last 52 years that I've lived there

[43:02] and before that, and its mission is to preserve the historic and cultural character, natural

[43:10] environment in the area, and to maintain the highest standard living for our residents.

[43:15] And we have our President of our organization, his written letters from our organization to this

[43:24] organization, to your, your, your Marin Council.

[43:27] And we receive no response.

[43:30] I brought seven copies of that and gave it to the deputy clerk this evening.

[43:34] I hope you all will pay attention to that.

[43:37] I hope you will respect our community as we respect your community.

[43:42] And you will cease trying to annex areas that do not want to be

[43:48] vassal states of or a valley as beautiful as or a valley is.

[43:54] So thanks very much.

[43:55] I'll see you guys again if you persist in the annexation of my area, thanks a lot, Mayor.

[44:03] Thank you.

[44:04] Thank you.

[44:05] Rosa Daley.

[44:17] Good evening.

[44:19] My name is Rosa Daley, and I'm an aura valley resident.

[44:23] I want to first thank Mr. Velah, Ms. Sylvia and Ms. Sims for three years of outstanding work.

[44:32] I intended to, I attended the beginning meetings and then attended, intended to attend the parks and wrecks section.

[44:40] And like Miss Lamanna, I got sucked into the whole thing.

[44:44] And I pretty much attended every meeting, except maybe the transportation meetings.

[44:48] And she's absolutely correct that there's a lot of overlap among the different sections.

[44:55] What I found most interesting is how often...

[45:00] Or a valley residents agree on the future of the town. I think that this statistically projectable surveys were pretty fascinating and pretty consistent.

[45:11] And so I found that our job was to enhance, but not to change. And the only time we had a little difficulty was on building heights.

[45:25] So I'll just bring that out for all of you that was something that I think took the most amount of time and I think we all still remain civil

[45:34] But for the most part there were discussions about keeping buildings to two and three stories versus five and six, but other than that

[45:44] I think that it was congenial and we put together a pretty good plan that I think really does reflect the consensus of

[45:54] most of the residents of Oravali. So I want to thank the staff at planning and zoning for putting

[46:01] up with me and because I did speak up a lot and also for just like being so professional

[46:11] and so detail oriented. I just can't thank them enough for the amount of work they put into this and

[46:16] they made it a pleasure for all of us to be a part of it. Thank you. I have no other blue cards

[46:22] And before I close the public hearing, this is your opportunity to speak to this agenda item.

[46:28] So if you're here tonight and wanting to speak, I would need you to fill out a blue card and to bring it forward immediately.

[46:37] Seeing no one getting up out of their seats, I'm going to close the public hearing and principal planner Ms. Sims will present this item.

[46:47] Good evening, Mayor.

[46:49] Council, my name is Moini Sims and I'm a principal planner with the Town of Borough Valley.

[46:53] So our purpose with this item is to affirm, rather the final resident recommended

[46:57] your draft of Ovis Path Forward, is ready to be placed on the ballot for resident consideration.

[47:04] Tonight, it makes Mark's a major milestone in this effort to create and adopt a new

[47:10] tenure plan.

[47:11] Before I get into the details, I want to take a moment to look at everything that residents

[47:15] have accomplished over the last few years. Looking at these numbers, they're truly remarkable.

[47:22] And I really hope that the community knows that this is something they should be proud of.

[47:27] It really does show how much care and commitment there is in this community and for their community.

[47:35] So, on behalf of all staff, but especially Reneo Vera, Bairvella and myself, I want to congratulate

[47:42] and recognize the thousands of residents who lent their time and voice to create this plan.

[47:49] As you saw, some of those dedicated residents are in the audience this evening.

[47:53] So we can't I'd like to just take a round of applause for them as well.

[48:05] Staff did provide a precursor and some information about the final resident recommended drafts.

[48:11] Who the council a few weeks ago?

[48:12] So some of the information in my presentation tonight will look familiar.

[48:16] but there's also new information for the Council to consider.

[48:20] The draft before either this evening maintains the same direction that Council provided in September with the 60% draft and is very similar to the 90% draft that was published in January.

[48:31] Therefore the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended adoption.

[48:36] Town Council adoption signifies a plan again as ready to be placed on the ballot for voter consideration.

[48:42] And if approved by the voters in November, it will guide town decisions over the next 10 years.

[48:50] The plan is divided into four main chapters.

[48:53] It reflects resident schools for all major topics that influence or values quality of life.

[48:59] And while many of these are required based state law, it does exceed state requirements by incorporating topics that residents identified as important.

[49:08] And I also want to mention that as part of the development section, there is the Landjuice map,

[49:13] just to respond to some of the comments you just heard.

[49:16] The Landjuice map does include a planning area, but that is a no means an annexation strategy.

[49:22] We did receive letters from the Catalina Fitt Hills Association and did respond with a formal letter,

[49:27] but we will reach out to make sure they got that.

[49:31] The plan also reflects resistance values, specifically to the support community safety, having

[49:39] outdoor lifestyle, having outdoor lifestyle and conserving scenic views, as well as the natural

[49:44] environment. It also includes their aspirations for the future, with most of the new projects

[49:50] really focus on attracting businesses, having gathering spaces and more things to do even

[49:55] those recreational opportunities. And throughout the process, residents worked really hard to

[50:00] to different views and create a plan that achieves balance and meets the needs of a diverse

[50:06] community.

[50:09] The effort to create OV's path forward started three years ago with residents creating

[50:13] an award-winning brand and community engagement plan. Today, this has been the most extensive

[50:19] community engagement effort that the town has done for any project. To speak a little bit more about

[50:26] the remarkable resident driven process is Tom Baka, the president of Gordi Group.

[50:32] Gordi Groups is an expert in marketing and has worked with several jurisdictions around

[50:37] the region on their general plan.

[50:38] Mr. Baka.

[50:44] Thank you, Ms. Sons. Good evening, Mayor Council.

[50:48] Thank you for the time to speak today.

[50:51] I was asked to share a bit of my perspective on the community engagement efforts and their

[50:55] impact on the final general plan document you're considering today.

[51:00] In my experience over the last three years on this project and considering our public participation

[51:05] work in general, I must say the town of Oravale takes community engagement to heart.

[51:12] The level of outreach scene during the general plan's development is among the most involved

[51:17] efforts I've experienced in our region.

[51:20] The community engagement results that were achieved in the preparation of Oravale's

[51:25] for general plan, far exceed the outcomes of nearby jurisdictions in terms of the feedback

[51:31] received per capita. This is the ultimate in public participation as defined by the international

[51:37] association for public participation that public engagement practitioners like me and our team

[51:44] members at Gordon Group adhere to. How did this happen? Planning started by including residents

[51:51] from the beginning. We typically ask staff what works and what doesn't when it comes to

[51:57] community engagement. And we did that here too. But what was unique is that we also agreed

[52:03] that we should ask residents to chime in prior to the creation of our community engagement plan,

[52:10] which was used for reaching out to the public throughout this year's long, this years-long process.

[52:16] We conducted a community survey that partnered over 700 responses, which helped us determine

[52:23] what, how, and when to communicate. That extra step is not typical of...

[52:30] Other jurisdictions and is an important investment made here in Oro Valley to help ensure that you connect with residents based on their preferences.

[52:39] Finally, in working with town staff, we witnessed and were part of the meticulous efforts, put forth to ensure that this general plan truly reflects residents' voices, and all the work that so many put forth in its development.

[52:53] I wholeheartedly believe that the Oral Valley Path Forward general plan that resulted from

[52:58] this highly collaborative process is a prime example of the public engagement work that

[53:04] our firm does, but I'm not saying it's because of our work that anything that we did,

[53:11] it was really the community residents and town staff that made this happen and you should

[53:18] We proud of this plan based on the level of engagement and the thousands of comments that

[53:23] reflects.

[53:25] Thank you, Ms. Sims.

[53:29] Thank you, Mr. Baca.

[53:30] So, just a few more details about residents' accomplishments over the past few years.

[53:35] In phase one, again, thousands of residents top by booths, put comments online or took

[53:40] a survey to help identify their values and priorities for the future.

[53:45] Although multiple methods were used, the results were surprisingly similar, with themes

[53:49] being transformed into a big picture vision statement and guiding principles. These were also

[53:54] then reviewed and improved by residents before being accepted by council.

[54:00] Next, residents collaborated with one another to develop the goals, policies, and actions

[54:06] that honor and reflect the substantial guidance received in phase one.

[54:11] Residents gave up many of their evenings to consider all perspectives and draft deliberate and

[54:17] meaningful and precise language to create a plan that achieves

[54:21] ballots.

[54:25] Again, a meticulous effort was made to achieve

[54:28] resident consensus on the final draft. This included

[54:31] multiple resident reviews, which helped refine the plan and

[54:35] affirm that it was headed in the right direction and reflecting

[54:38] residents. In December, residents reconvened to discuss areas that

[54:44] needed additional guidance. This included the Performing Arts

[54:47] central gathering area, views and more.

[54:52] During these meetings, residents were able to achieve consensus on all aspects of the plan,

[54:58] except for the policies related to views.

[55:00] And although most of the residents were fine with the language in the 60% draft that the council accepted,

[55:07] they couldn't all come to a consensus.

[55:09] However, they did decide to leave the policies as accepted with the 60% draft with no changes.

[55:18] In addition to residents and the community members, other town departments, local and state agencies

[55:24] also reviewed the plan to help make sure the actions will meet resident goals and also

[55:30] make sure that all the information was accurate.

[55:34] So although there were proofreading edits made in this final draft that you have before you this

[55:40] evening, there were no big shifts from the drafts that were previously reviewed by the community

[55:45] or the town council.

[55:48] The planning and zoning commission, how two public hearings for the general

[55:53] plan in April, the purpose of the first public hearing was to gather community comments

[55:57] and commission comments to help with their decision making. The commission discussed the

[56:02] origin and implementation of expanding telecommunications and broadband services, the promotion of

[56:09] public hearings as well as the votes, and how the plan touches on sustainability.

[56:15] Ultimately, during the second public hearing, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended

[56:19] adoption with no changes.

[56:26] And then during the update presented a few weeks ago to town council, we did get some feedback

[56:32] and the discussion focused on the items listed on the screen.

[56:36] So in response to those comments, staff did include some potential changes in attachment to

[56:41] of your packet. That would mean teen residents intent but improve accuracy and clarity.

[56:49] So the action related to the Performing Arts Center is stems from the result from the

[56:53] statistically representative survey and developing this action with residents the intent to

[56:59] ensure that the Performing Arts Center is financially independent from the town was made and also

[57:05] ensure that any support beyond information would require

[57:10] our community outreach.

[57:13] Some potential changes that the Council may want to consider

[57:16] is removing the reference to a feasibility study,

[57:21] which staff did find out has been completed

[57:24] and was distributed to the town council.

[57:27] The Council may also want to consider adding language

[57:29] to clarify the level and expectation for community outreach

[57:34] should any additional town support be considered in the future.

[57:39] Then similarly, 58% of residents wanted community gathering spaces.

[57:44] The most common one that was voiced by the community throughout the last few years was having

[57:48] more things to do places to go with their families and friends.

[57:52] The intent is to work with private developers to create these spaces and unify a quarter

[57:58] of them along Oracle Road, however residents work concern that solely

[58:03] relying on private development to create the gathering spaces.

[58:09] So they wanted to expand upon existing town-owned properties to help make this become a reality.

[58:15] And since the residents discuss this topic, I think the Council's intent to sell the property

[58:20] on push-view lane and Oracle, which is also known as Rooney Ranch, has become clearer.

[58:26] So the Council may want to consider revising any references to that property as being

[58:32] town owned in the general plan.

[58:35] And then as many of you know that the OVTRL's Connect Plan, it was approved by Council a

[58:42] few weeks ago.

[58:44] Many of the policies and actions in OVTRL's Connect are also in the general plan, but although

[58:50] these plans complement each other, the Council may want to consider adding an action,

[58:55] specifically guide staff to implement the OV Charles Connect plan.

[59:02] These changes respect the community's work, but they do improve clarity and accuracy for

[59:07] the plan, and again, there are include in your packet as attachment to for your consideration

[59:13] tonight.

[59:19] So in summary, the final resident recommend a draft reflects the 10,700 comments received

[59:24] from residents over the past few years.

[59:26] It's been reviewed and discussed by residents multiple times to achieve consensus, and there are no significant changes in direction between this draft and the previous drafts.

[59:37] Therefore, the planning and zoning commission did recommend adoption.

[59:41] There are two motions before the council this evening. The first is to adopt the plan without any changes.

[59:47] And the second is to adopt the plan with the changes I just discussed earlier.

[59:54] Now, before I wrap up, I just want to remind folks, especially the residents listening to night that.

[1:00:00] The general plan is unique because the adoption process does not end with the town council. In fact, there's still a lot more work to be done. Town council adoption does signify that the plan will be ready to be placed on the ballot in November and phase three residents decide will kick off in August.

[1:00:19] And the purpose of that phase is to raise awareness and educate residents to empower them to make a decision at the polls in November.

[1:00:26] The outreach will be very similar to phase one. You'll see roadways, science go up, postcards, go out.

[1:00:33] A lot more marketing campaign around that.

[1:00:36] And I'd actually like to end my presentation with a sneak peek of what's to come.

[1:00:41] So I'd like to ask our staff if they could start, if they could play the short video.

[1:01:05] Or Valie's path forward will be on the ballot this November.

[1:01:08] It's a plan for the future created by residents that now must be approved by residents.

[1:01:13] There's three things that you should know before you vote.

[1:01:17] Number one, this is the residence plan that will guide Orow Valley's future.

[1:01:22] As a longtime resident, in current member of the Board of Adjustment in Orow Valley,

[1:01:26] I witness the effort to create the plan to give every resident an opportunity to share their voice.

[1:01:32] Number two, residence created this plan by offering initial opinions in a townwide survey

[1:01:38] And then, I commanding on draft iterations that every phase of the plan's development.

[1:01:44] Number three, the plan represents residents' priorities by upholding our value for keeping our community safe.

[1:01:51] Get ready to vote.

[1:01:53] Visit Orow ValleyPathForward.com.

[1:02:01] Thank you. And this concludes by presentation.

[1:02:03] Happy to answer questions you may have.

[1:02:05] Thank you, Melini.

[1:02:06] It's certainly appreciate your presentation.

[1:02:08] And we have the council.

[1:02:09] I'm sure the council members will comment.

[1:02:11] And we, and I, in particular, I'm so appreciative of your work, buyer, Renee, you've done

[1:02:20] an enormous good for our community, and I, of course, want to acknowledge all the residents

[1:02:27] who've participated in this effort.

[1:02:31] You know, a few years ago, we celebrated our 50th anniversary, and the Oral Valley Historical

[1:02:40] society organized some lectures, and one of those was a panel of the current mayor and

[1:02:48] previous mayors, and we were asked who we thought was the most influential person in oral

[1:02:56] valley that had had the biggest impact in the town. And my response was buyer Vela.

[1:03:05] He's been

[1:03:06] serving as a planner for nearly three decades in this community and his

[1:03:12] admitted lay at some direction of council and residents, but his

[1:03:15] imprint is all over this community and so I appreciate each of you and the

[1:03:21] work that you've done. You know, we have the opportunity tonight and I

[1:03:26] support the plan. I do have some comments and I'm sure council members will

[1:03:33] some comments. I'd like to try to get through this as expeditiously as possible, but I have

[1:03:39] read the plan a few times. And so what I'd like to propose council is that we go chapter

[1:03:46] by chapter and if you have comments if you don't, but I want to give you the opportunity to speak.

[1:03:53] So I'm going to begin Malini tonight as people of reference this plan, they've references as

[1:04:00] general plan. But on the front page of it, it says, we're Ovales 10 year community action plan.

[1:04:07] And as I read the plan, we kind of go back and forth between this community action plan,

[1:04:12] general plan, why are we introducing this title of 10 year community action plan and not just staying with general plan?

[1:04:21] Sure, so Mayor, we have a full great question.

[1:04:24] We use the Tenier Action Plan, Kimi Action Plan, sorry, throughout this engagement process,

[1:04:31] just because it's more understandable to folks than a general plan, which is very technical.

[1:04:37] We do want it to make sure, though, that it is clear that this is the general plan.

[1:04:41] So that's why you do see it references.

[1:04:44] This is the state legally required general plan and the footnotes is called the or values general plan.

[1:04:48] Because we wanted to be clear, that's what this is, but in terms of being able to get people

[1:04:53] excited about the plan and engaged, tenure, action plan was just better term than trying to use

[1:05:02] general plan.

[1:05:02] And we didn't want to confuse people in the end of the line by now switching it back to

[1:05:08] saying general plan.

[1:05:09] I have to admit, because what I hear from people and emails I received, letters I've received,

[1:05:21] even tonight, no one has referenced. They haven't said 10-year community action plan. Even

[1:05:29] you have said to a normal plan. I would just give that some reconsideration, because I certainly,

[1:05:36] I think I understand the rationale, I don't know what the feeling is, of other council members.

[1:05:43] And I'm not going to lose sleep over this, but for decades now we've been referring a general plan.

[1:05:51] It's kind of in our DNA and many respects.

[1:05:55] The one other in this first part is there's a talks about on page six.

[1:06:03] This is welcome to Oral Valley. Again, I realize it says Oral Valley is thriving community

[1:06:09] with over 48,000 residents in a maximum of 55,000, 850 residents. So it just sounds a little

[1:06:17] funny to me, maximum. So okay, we're done at 55,000, 580, you can't come in anymore because

[1:06:25] we're at our maximum.

[1:06:27] I think just a different word and maximum would pardon.

[1:06:36] It's just giving the rain or what our current residents

[1:06:41] and what we anticipate being and probably in the 10 years

[1:06:45] of this plan, but it's not the maximum, right?

[1:06:48] It could be more than that, it could be less than that.

[1:06:51] So, yeah, just sounds a little strange to me.

[1:06:55] Council, do you have any, this is the first chapter that I'm referring to? Do you have any comments?

[1:07:04] Okay. So we'll go to the chapter, so bear with me, chapter two. So this is vision for the future.

[1:07:26] I'd like to, and this is, so this is in the guiding principle.

[1:07:30] So, there's some overlap here, Malini with guiding principles and goals. So, I may focus more on

[1:07:38] the goals because I think that, so, for example, on community safety, it says maintain a safe and secure

[1:07:48] environment for all residents, business and visitors. The thing about maintain is to me maintain is saying

[1:07:58] status quo. And there's really nothing status quo about public safety because it's changing.

[1:08:08] It's evolving. And we have to adapt to those changes. And again, I'm not wanting to make

[1:08:14] a mountain out of a mall hill here, but I mean words do have a meaning. And so I think I think

[1:08:21] of it in terms of insure isn't to be a more active, so insure is safe and secure environment.

[1:08:27] We're not going to sit on our laurels, we're not just going to maintain, and so the same

[1:08:33] is true with trails and paths, and I'm glad we're going to be incorporating the trail plan

[1:08:40] into this.

[1:08:41] It says maintain, world values, commitment to being an outdoor community.

[1:08:45] I like the word better strengthened than, again, maintain, so I don't, I'm not real crazy

[1:08:51] about the word maintain.

[1:08:53] Water resource planning, maintain responsible use of water resources.

[1:08:58] I'd like to suggest that it increase responsible use of water resources.

[1:09:02] We can always be doing better at improving our water resource planning versus maintaining what we're doing.

[1:09:10] So those are some examples of that particular section.

[1:09:15] Anybody have comments, general comments or vice mayor?

[1:09:21] I'd like these suggestions, Mayor, and I admire your words,

[1:09:27] Mithine, and going through it.

[1:09:28] We're voting to send this to the ballot tonight, right?

[1:09:32] Mayor, we have filled Vice Mayor Barrett that is correct.

[1:09:35] So what would be the envisioned mechanism?

[1:09:38] Do you want me to write down some of those comments

[1:09:40] so we can potentially include them in the vote or shoot?

[1:09:44] I'm just kind of trying to figure out

[1:09:46] should I be keeping track or that's the problem?

[1:09:48] Yeah, what is, so I appreciate that you

[1:09:51] in the council a few weeks ago you've incorporated those. I'm in agreement with those.

[1:09:57] But. Yeah, so Mayor Wimfield, Vice Mayor Barr any changes made through the motions tonight.

[1:10:03] We would make before republishing it before the votes.

[1:10:11] It's a long motion. I think, though, and maybe

[1:10:14] correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Zairak, but perhaps you can, you know, I'm okay with

[1:10:23] or make the motion of and the changes discussed by Mayor Renfield this evening, or

[1:10:29] you know what I mean, make it more global versus going through each one.

[1:10:34] Mr. Zairak,

[1:10:38] we're good evening.

[1:10:42] Obviously, Mayor, we've not discussed your suggested

[1:10:45] changes, but I think as long as you have a consensus about the changes and it seems as if we have plenty of staff here to take down the, I think, I feel confident and counsel if you're a disagreement then please speak up and staff if you and disagreement or if anything that I'm suggesting you think is counter to what you've heard from the public, I do not want to do that so my intent here is to

[1:11:16] to be a part of this process and Council Member Nicholson.

[1:11:21] I would like to make this as difficult as possible.

[1:11:24] I'll second that.

[1:11:26] And Mayor Wimkel, so far all the changes you've had are still respecting and reflective

[1:11:32] of what the community has in both those it.

[1:11:35] I believe they are, so I think your suggestions make the document more adaptable going into

[1:11:44] the future.

[1:11:48] Okay, so I guess keep going to your suggestions. I wanted to kind of clarify

[1:11:52] should I be writing down this part for the motion or how in Vice Mayor we're taking notes

[1:11:57] three of us. Okay, so we're going to, this is public safety counsel's the next section,

[1:12:02] which is part of chapter two.

[1:12:07] And so this is action item 11 and I like how you've organized

[1:12:14] in terms of ongoing 3-6 years, 7-10 years, this particular action item and maybe a commander

[1:12:22] you can either agree or say, you know, not agree. It says the following actions are anticipated

[1:12:31] to be completed in 3-6 years. Help school review plans, train personnel and identify best practices

[1:12:38] for safety. In my mind, what I've heard from our department is that that's something we do on an

[1:12:43] going base is we're reviewing plans each year with the schools, safety plans and so commander

[1:12:51] this may or year assessment is correct. We do it every year, especially as it

[1:12:56] changed to the schools we update in review their safety plans yearly. So I would just

[1:13:01] simply suggest that this should be ongoing versus anticipated to be completed in

[1:13:07] to six years.

[1:13:11] And then action item 19, it says implement risk assessments for areas most susceptible

[1:13:17] to threats of flood fire or other hazards. When we say assessment for areas most susceptible,

[1:13:23] are we talking about all private and public property or are we talking about town property?

[1:13:31] What are we talking about? Mayer, we have felt so the intent from the residence was all

[1:13:35] property, rather private or public, now if it's private, it would be working with folks to

[1:13:42] provide some education and or like HOAs, for instance, or property managers.

[1:13:49] And then for these particular action items, 1819 and 20, HR is the lead for utilizing, you know,

[1:13:57] the addition to the code red or similar emergency notification, the risk assessments for

[1:14:02] is most susceptible to threat, threats, flood fire.

[1:14:05] It just seemed to add to me that HR was the lead for these items.

[1:14:09] So, Mayor, we have filled the towns, and I apologize.

[1:14:13] I can't remember his exact title, but our emergency risk staff member is part of the HR.

[1:14:21] The nut makes sense, okay.

[1:14:26] And this is a small, incredibly small thing, but for whatever reason, page 32 doesn't have

[1:14:32] 32 on it.

[1:14:37] I know folks.

[1:14:41] This is why you pay us the big bucks.

[1:14:46] We're going to go to

[1:14:48] Arts and Culture. Counciled.

[1:15:12] So, action item 38, it says, explore opportunities to provide intergenerational programs.

[1:15:21] I mean, I like to explore, but I like something that's going to be more action items.

[1:15:26] So, I said, create opportunities, explore, develop, explore and develop. Just exploring, I mean, that just gives us a list, we want to do something. This is an action.

[1:15:38] we do do something but we're gonna do more. Okay on on 40 on action 40 it says

[1:15:47] continue to promote and evolve the community academy to recruit volunteers

[1:15:52] board and commission members it makes it sound like we only do that to

[1:15:55] recruit but we do this to inform residents and recruit visitors I

[1:16:25] guess this is

[1:16:27] So action 73, create an art advisory board with a focus on but not limited to the following objectives.

[1:16:35] I thought that art, Arizona, or whatever, art state, or art state, art state, Arizona.

[1:16:42] I thought that they reviewed public art proposals and, yeah.

[1:16:51] And do a lot in terms of identifying opportunities for program events that promote and link art.

[1:16:59] But it seems like a duplication to me.

[1:17:01] But if this is the community's voice here, then I will respect that voice.

[1:17:06] I think the idea here was to have more resident engagement and that effort.

[1:17:12] So it may still be working with arts state.

[1:17:14] the intention isn't to not work with them anymore, but it's to have more

[1:17:19] resident voices in that art space and discussion.

[1:17:26] I vote for leaving that one.

[1:17:28] Because I think that'd be a substantial change.

[1:17:29] It would be a substantial change.

[1:17:31] And I'm not asking to change it.

[1:17:32] Maybe just clarification, but that's okay.

[1:17:35] Yeah, that is okay.

[1:17:38] So this is actually number 92,

[1:17:41] coordinate trail maintenance on Pima County on land within

[1:17:44] oral ballage jurisdiction.

[1:17:47] I think the coordination is good.

[1:17:49] I think maybe one of the tools there, if it could maybe be

[1:17:54] is a memo you or an IGA, probably not an IGA,

[1:17:58] because we're not going to be transferring funds.

[1:18:01] But some kind of a memorandum of understanding

[1:18:03] might help just formalize that.

[1:18:07] A coordination,

[1:18:11] vice mayor.

[1:18:12] Okay. I don't know that you can put an MOU in the, in the, in the plan, though. May or

[1:18:18] we have filled Vice Mayor Barrett and that's the point of clarification. Would you like

[1:18:22] it more to say maybe formalized coordination? Maybe formalized.

[1:18:26] And not the mechanism we used to do. That's that's good idea.

[1:18:32] Yeah.

[1:18:34] Then action 90, this is under trails and paths, regularly inspect, clean and repair,

[1:18:39] pedestrian, equestrian, and cyclists, routes for cracks, debris, obstructions, and other

[1:18:45] needed repairs. This sounds like it's talking about a paved surface, versus an unpaid surface.

[1:18:52] And typically we don't have a question used on our multi-use paths. It just seems to equestrian,

[1:18:58] the reference to a question seems out of place there. You can't have a question on the loop.

[1:19:06] Yeah, you also get them on some of the other paths, and like Bush's follow we're need to be cleared that kind of thing.

[1:19:13] I, it almost seemed to me, leaning in this maybe that maybe action, an action for paved paths and then an action for unpaved paths to just clarify.

[1:19:24] So Mayor Ramfeld, action 88, the is more for the trails and all the past, but we can

[1:19:32] definitely clarify the unpaid first page, just so it's very clear that the intent of the

[1:19:39] residents with this plan and even OV's child's connect with the maintenance of all trails

[1:19:44] and paths for their paid or unpaid.

[1:19:47] Okay, and then action 86, it says create a new parks and recreation master plan.

[1:19:54] I mean, we did have relatively recently had a new,

[1:20:00] are we talking about a brand new or updating the plan that we have?

[1:20:05] I may have.

[1:20:06] It would be updating the current plan.

[1:20:10] It was, and that's why it's under three to six years

[1:20:12] because within three to six years it would be about time

[1:20:14] as the town would want to update it anyways.

[1:20:18] Especially to make sure that there's an inventory

[1:20:21] of all parks and recreations, so for instance, this social

[1:20:26] child's nature preserve isn't in the current one because it didn't

[1:20:28] exist, so making sure.

[1:20:31] Okay, thank you.

[1:20:40] Okay, so action item 105, this is under, so actions are

[1:20:45] anticipated for completion in seven to 10 years.

[1:20:49] 105 is worked with A.D. to study and implement safe pedestrian

[1:20:53] and cyclist crossings across Oracle Road.

[1:20:56] I should have happened yesterday. I hate to see it that it's a seven to ten year. I think it should be

[1:21:04] a one to two year. So something more immediate because it's an issue now.

[1:21:15] Okay, so we want to move that into the one to two years. One to two years.

[1:21:20] I completely agree with that. Okay, thanks.

[1:21:25] Next Vice Mayor.

[1:21:29] Okay, council, I'm moving to

[1:21:30] environment, sustainability,

[1:21:41] I don't know if Kate's still in the audience, but this

[1:21:43] is more of a, it says, maintain and create wildlife corridors. This is under the

[1:21:49] guiding principle. This is probably, I mean, wildlife corridors exist. What happens is,

[1:21:56] is through development and roads we impede wildlife corridors. And so it seems to me that rather

[1:22:02] than creating wildlife corridors, we should recognize acknowledged that wildlife

[1:22:08] corridors exist and we should be taking actions to not impede while life being able to move

[1:22:16] through through our community. Of course we do that with bridges and so on and so forth.

[1:22:21] But we don't really create while life corridors. It's just probably ignore my comment,

[1:22:27] So we're going to leave that one.

[1:22:30] We're going to leave it, but sometimes you just have to say it.

[1:22:36] Yeah, I just want when they go back through this video for them to be clear, which was.

[1:22:40] We're going to share with you what that's meant to appreciate it.

[1:22:45] Mayor, in all seriousness, I do think if you do, if one of the council members does not agree as Vice Mayor,

[1:22:53] I did before I think you should speak up about that, so I guess I'll follow it for one issue.

[1:22:57] But yeah, in fairness to staff, I would keep it that way.

[1:23:00] So when you do the motion, it'll be sure.

[1:23:03] Copperheads.

[1:23:06] So this is a council.

[1:23:08] This is policy.

[1:23:09] So now I'm in the climate and energy.

[1:23:14] Policy 01.0.1.

[1:23:17] It says aim to reduce solid waste in all sectors.

[1:23:21] It seems like it should just say reduce solid waste.

[1:23:25] I mean, that should be our policy, not to aim, but to do it.

[1:23:34] Anybody disagree with that?

[1:23:38] Okay, this is policy 01.

[1:23:40] It says to aim to reduce solid waste in all sectors

[1:23:44] through a combination of sustainable waste management practices,

[1:23:48] such as waste minimization, recycling and composting.

[1:23:53] To me, the policy should be to reduce.

[1:23:56] I mean, that's, if we can't, right, well, I think we can, I mean, you like game, okay,

[1:24:05] keep aim.

[1:24:07] Yeah, they're like, because it's hard to measure, it's hard to measure, it's good, we're

[1:24:12] here.

[1:24:12] All right,

[1:24:18] action 148, publish information about the options or rebates available for residents

[1:24:23] interested in converting from grass to electricity on the town's website.

[1:24:30] Is that a role for the town?

[1:24:36] Publish information about the options or rebates available for residents interested in converting

[1:24:43] from grass to electricity on the town's website.

[1:24:47] I can tell you where you can get that information from TEP because they want you to be

[1:24:51] electricity.

[1:24:51] And if you go to Southwest Gas website, they're going to tell you how you can, you know, better use gas.

[1:24:57] But I don't know that it's really our role to tell residents.

[1:25:01] But it's the mayor we have filled on the website for instance down the town's website.

[1:25:06] There is a sustainability page, and it is links to it's we're not producing our own information.

[1:25:14] It's just links.

[1:25:14] So it's something like that as well.

[1:25:16] I would also, I mean, at this stage, I personally am fine with these wordsmithing things,

[1:25:24] but I don't want to like take something out, thank you.

[1:25:26] That got put in by the residents.

[1:25:28] Thank God.

[1:25:29] It's just so good for us.

[1:25:31] But that was a good clarification that we're just sending them to.

[1:25:35] Good clarification.

[1:25:39] On, so now we're on to water resources, action 164, identify opportunities to stream

[1:25:48] the process and reduce permitting fees to encourage HOAs and commercial developments to replace

[1:25:53] grass with ground covers like decomposed granite mulch or native vegetation. I think it should

[1:26:00] also include artificial turf.

[1:26:18] So these are this policy, malini, it's policy, T,

[1:26:26] two, elevate

[1:26:27] create the value and importance of reclaimed water conservation.

[1:26:32] But when you look at the action items underneath that policy,

[1:26:36] I don't see how they relate to it.

[1:26:39] I mean, they don't say anything about reclaimed water conservation.

[1:26:45] It says 84, 184 is educate the community about the importance

[1:26:49] to use in cost of water resources through the town website,

[1:26:53] social media, newsletters, community, academy, et cetera.

[1:26:56] I mean, that wouldn't be just reclaimed water.

[1:27:00] This would be groundwater, reclaimed water.

[1:27:04] Maybe we just say water conservation, rather than reclaimed.

[1:27:08] Then reclaimed.

[1:27:09] I think that's.

[1:27:10] Because if the policies indicate water conservation.

[1:27:15] And they are, we've been filled by Mayor Barrett.

[1:27:17] I do believe this is one that's evolved through the process.

[1:27:21] So I know the conversations with the resident working groups

[1:27:24] Definitely started with reclaimed water, and then it did evolve to, you know, there'll be

[1:27:33] more, there'll be one water source as we continue to progress. It won't be all these different ones.

[1:27:39] So we can look at that language to make sure it lines better with the actions under it.

[1:27:46] Okay. So what was the intention of preserving reclaimed water in that statement?

[1:27:54] versus sane just water. So Mayor Wimfield, Vice Mayor Barrett, there's just more attention

[1:28:01] on reclaimed water during these meetings and even with the survey about trying to reduce the use

[1:28:06] of portable water and using reclaimed water is one way to do that. Okay, because this sounds like

[1:28:12] reducing reclaimed water. Does that? Okay.

[1:28:20] Sorry, the way it's written. I think with the word

[1:28:22] conservation of reclaimed water. That's why it's confusing to me because if it means

[1:28:29] pot, if it means conserving drinking water, but it's talking about conserving our reclaimed

[1:28:35] water. It says elevate the value and importance of reclaimed water conservation. That's

[1:28:40] the policy. But then the action items don't seem I mean they relate to, they don't seem

[1:28:50] specific to reclaimed water.

[1:28:55] I'm Mr. Science.

[1:29:03] Good evening.

[1:29:04] As I understand at this, really the meaning behind this is intended to convey that

[1:29:11] reclaimed water is often looked as a resource that's not worthy of conservation.

[1:29:17] It's expendable.

[1:29:19] And so a lot of the discussion was oriented toward, wait, this is water.

[1:29:25] is just as important as potable. It's just different. Conservation really should be applied to both.

[1:29:32] Often reclaimed is given a back seat in terms of some folks thinking, and that was the discussion

[1:29:40] in Genesis. But we understand that there needs to be a alignment, and we'll make sure those are tied together,

[1:29:47] and the expression really should be all forms of water, including reclaimed. That was what was meant.

[1:29:54] Okay, so we're going to go with all forms of water, including reclaimed.

[1:29:59] Mayer, we have felt nice.

[1:30:00] I think that's the best way to do it, so the emphasis on the reclaimed is retained.

[1:30:05] Okay, this is going to economy. Action item 194 established a schedule to periodically review all

[1:30:12] fees for potential increases. I'd like to suggest that instead of increases potential adjustments.

[1:30:21] It can go either way. This makes it sound like it's automatically an increase, and it could be a decrease.

[1:30:34] Well, we've even talked about it recently, where we've talked about a different rate structure for residents versus non-residents, so it would be lower for non-residents.

[1:30:50] This is a small point, but on page 107 we're talking about tourism. We have a nice photo of the Elken keys to door. If it's possible, a photo of the westward look resort to both of our resorts,

[1:31:10] we'll go to development.

[1:31:11] I

[1:31:23] have no comments.

[1:31:28] Housing,

[1:31:38] the, for whatever it's worth, it seems like action item

[1:31:42] 250, 7 and 260, 3 are similar. Once as create a housing plan, the other one says develop

[1:31:50] housing plans and assessments to ensure current and future housing needs are met. The other

[1:31:55] one says create a housing plan that addresses the need for more attainable variety. They just

[1:31:59] very similar and may or may have been filled and we can look at the wording on the

[1:32:08] language on that. So one would be a housing plan that also has identifies opportunities

[1:32:17] to meet the residents needs the that's auction to 57 under action to 63 that would be

[1:32:27] more an inventory so state law actually requires the town every year we have to submit numbers

[1:32:33] to the state of how many housing units we have how many housing units we need and do we

[1:32:38] have enough land and zoning in place to meet our need so that's the difference between the two

[1:32:45] but however you're right using the term housing plan twice could be confusing so we will we can look

[1:32:50] at the language to make sure that's clear okay council or vice mayor so I understand that once we hit

[1:32:57] 50,000 residents, which were pretty close to, we would have to have a state-required housing plan.

[1:33:02] Is that correct? Is that a different threshold now?

[1:33:05] So Mayor, we've filled by Mayor Beira.

[1:33:08] You're right about the threshold, it's 50,000, but it requires not a housing plan.

[1:33:12] It requires this plan, the general plan, to include this housing element.

[1:33:18] Okay, so was the reason that it was somewhat duplicitous?

[1:33:22] And because part of it's intended to address that state requirement, yes.

[1:33:27] And another part is more of a policy of something we may do.

[1:33:32] Correct.

[1:33:32] So action 257 more comes from residents who a voice that they want that variety of housing.

[1:33:39] So creating a plan to kind of help to guide the town to achieve that variety is 257 263 was there to meet those state requirements.

[1:33:51] Okay, so I guess I'm kind of in favor of leaving it even though it's a little bit confusing,

[1:33:57] just because of the state requirement element.

[1:34:00] I think it was going to be left, I think you were going to maybe make a...

[1:34:04] Be can definitely clarify the term housing plan, so it's very clear what each one is intending to do.

[1:34:11] Can we clarify though before we vote on what we would be saying?

[1:34:15] Do you think?

[1:34:16] Well, I know that's kind of seen on the spot, but since we could also continue this, but we could vote on that.

[1:34:25] Mayor Wimpho, Vice Mayor, Bera, once a gestion is keeping 257 as is as a housing plan.

[1:34:31] The sub-bull is under that, really, our elements that you would normally see in a housing plan,

[1:34:37] but maybe updating 263 to develop a housing inventory and assessment, which really is more of a number's game.

[1:34:47] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That sounds good to me. And I'm fine with council. Council member Green

[1:34:54] suggestion.

[1:34:57] I have no more comments. By Mayor, you said you had some general comments.

[1:35:04] Council member Nicholson and council member Green. Yeah. I just had a comment for 84. You

[1:35:11] We're going so fast, Mayor, who doing good job.

[1:35:14] But I was wondering if I could change it from three to six years

[1:35:16] to one to two years.

[1:35:21] What's the action?

[1:35:35] I'll see each of you periodically assess

[1:35:37] and value a parking recreation facility,

[1:35:39] ensure that the park system, that actually meets the,

[1:35:41] these residents of falling action

[1:35:43] anticipate the completion in three to six years.

[1:35:46] Can we do one to two years?

[1:35:51] Mayor, we have to cancel my minutes on

[1:35:53] are you referring to the action about the parks

[1:35:55] recreation plan? Yeah, in the action I'm 84, Savage Lung term restoration plan for

[1:36:01] Ranch for the Vistaocetrails Nature Preserve, which include a bunch of self-suffering

[1:36:06] to be vegetation itself. So action 84? Correct.

[1:36:17] Okay, so one to two years? What I heard you?

[1:36:19] No, thanks.

[1:36:25] Vice Mayor? Okay. Well, and gotten to that much depth because we reviewed

[1:36:33] to do a couple different points and thankfully, you know, we've been able to discuss a couple

[1:36:39] times before as well. So I appreciate that. I just want to clarify a couple of things from

[1:36:44] the public comment, so I know this is kind of going back in the meeting, but to acknowledge

[1:36:48] those who came in spoke, I really appreciate you coming. I appreciate your work in doing this plan.

[1:36:55] One person spoke about the bridge to know where and then talked about it as if it was the wildlife

[1:37:01] quarter, I think when previous commenter was commenting about the bridge to know where they meant

[1:37:06] to push view lane, really ranch quarter and not the wildlife quarter. So I just wanted to

[1:37:12] sort of clarify that I think that's what was meant here in Oral Valley on that. And then I know

[1:37:18] we had Emily Vera's here and she had talked about shade structures and put them in the plan.

[1:37:24] one thing I've discovered is that, so in this current fiscal years budget,

[1:37:30] And that's currently going forward and will have a, you know, some roll over into the future. So I think there's more to be done. So it still is good in the plan.

[1:37:42] But I was just wondering if we could get kind of an update on that because I know that something that was mentioned here. And I found that in some of the community meetings that I listened in on are attended that it wasn't really known that some of that was in process.

[1:37:57] And so, I just want to tell Manager, Mr. Wilkins, would you mind giving us kind of an update and describing that project a little bit just for the public's benefit who advocated for that?

[1:38:13] At this point?

[1:38:15] Yeah.

[1:38:15] If you don't mind.

[1:38:15] And with that project, we did have some delays with contracting the procurement, so that's been settled and then now the equipment itself is on order, so there is lead times on this, but we're hoping that would be done this spring, but it will hopefully be done later this year, calendar year, not fiscal year, but it is underway.

[1:38:42] but right now it's in the hands of our contractor.

[1:38:46] Okay, would you mind describing a little bit about what that project entails?

[1:38:52] There were multiple stage structures.

[1:38:55] His obtained, can you come and describe the locations?

[1:39:01] We have put together a council report.

[1:39:03] I have to pull it out, specifically, where the locations were.

[1:39:07] Yes, mayor vice mayor.

[1:39:09] So what we have is we originally had a contractor

[1:39:12] and what happened was as they were preliminary approved for a state contract and they did not receive the final approval.

[1:39:20] So we had to take the dollar amount to go back out for a bit.

[1:39:23] It'll open next week.

[1:39:25] And those shade structures are over the playground.

[1:39:28] So you have the playground kind of on the hill as well as the swing area next to that.

[1:39:34] And we asked for an extra 20 by 20 structure over by our pickleball courts and one over for sharing

[1:39:40] between the Poctrack and the Skate Park.

[1:39:45] So I don't think that invalidates the statement

[1:39:47] about shade that's in the general plan or anything.

[1:39:51] I just wanted to in conjunction with that,

[1:39:53] make the community aware

[1:39:55] that we have those projects out to bid

[1:39:57] and that they're coming forward.

[1:39:59] So that may help alleviate some of what is needed there

[1:40:03] in this general plan statement.

[1:40:06] And then I have a question about the land use map,

[1:40:11] regarding, if the following agenda item in item A, which has a general plan amendment associated

[1:40:20] with it, is approved tonight or some form of it is approved tonight, and I'm not presuming

[1:40:25] when we're the other, but I'm just saying if that's approved, can that be incorporated

[1:40:30] into what goes out to voters?

[1:40:35] So, so may or may have failed by Mayor Barrett, if approved night it would, we're at an interesting time, it's for the year of race or future, but this mimic that so it would also could also be updating this one as well.

[1:40:52] So right now the land use map in this one, it aims to reflect the zoning and things that are currently developing.

[1:40:59] So if you change that land use map in the year of race or future plan, we would update this one too before it goes to the base.

[1:41:05] Okay, so we don't need to make a statement to that effect in the motion.

[1:41:09] It would just be done.

[1:41:10] Because the general plan we would be updating in the event that we do vote on that would be the current general plans.

[1:41:18] Not this one.

[1:41:19] And I just want to make sure that there is consistency in whatever goes out to the voters.

[1:41:25] So, do we need to make a statement to that effect now when we send it out to voters?

[1:41:33] Or, and I'm not sure if it could be a general statement just to reflect that, okay, yeah.

[1:41:39] It would automatically be updated.

[1:41:41] You don't need to make it part of your message.

[1:41:44] So, that's the clarification that I was looking for, just to make sure that the land use map would be consistent in the event that the item moves forward.

[1:41:53] And then finally, I just kind of want to speak a little bit more generally about this process.

[1:42:00] I'd tremendous thank you to everyone involved in it, especially Miss Sims.

[1:42:07] You were a consummate professional through the entire process.

[1:42:10] I received multiple comments and emails from citizens who were complimenting you and your management of the situations.

[1:42:19] and I we all really appreciate that. You know, that's a huge tremendous service to all of us.

[1:42:26] And the incredible amount of public engagement I think are consultant set at best when he said,

[1:42:32] this is the ultimate in public participation. And it far exceeds other jurisdictions and that we reached out to residents at all points in this process,

[1:42:43] which isn't necessarily what's typically done of the general plan.

[1:42:46] And what I understood from the budget city session that we had on Monday is that you also

[1:42:52] managed to bring the project in under budget and utilize a lot of cost savings.

[1:42:58] So I think that's to be congratulated as well that you're able to bring forward such a high

[1:43:02] quality resident centric document that incorporates diverse viewpoints together.

[1:43:09] And so, I just really appreciate that, and yeah, so thank you so much for your work and effort on this and to the residents and I'm the planning and zoning liaison and so I know that planning and zoning has heard it several times.

[1:43:26] So thank you to the planning and zoning commission and others to review that.

[1:43:30] I don't have any issues with the changes that we agreed upon through consent from the mayor because I think they were all just wordsmithing things or things to make it a little bit more actionable moving forward, which I think is the goal that we get this actionable moving forward and that there's not really any substantive changes in that.

[1:43:51] So with that being said, shall I take a stab at a motion?

[1:43:54] Please do.

[1:43:54] Okay.

[1:43:57] I moved to adopt resolution R26-20, the Oral Valley's path for a general plan as depicted

[1:44:05] in attachment one and subject to the conditions in attachment two, as well as incorporating

[1:44:11] the comments which were agreed upon by consensus of Council this evening, which are aimed to

[1:44:18] respect the communities work while improving the accuracy and action ability of residents'

[1:44:22] values, priorities, and expectations for the town's future.

[1:44:27] Second, by Council Member Murphy, any discussion?

[1:44:31] All in favor, say aye.

[1:44:33] Aye.

[1:44:33] Any opposed, nay?

[1:44:35] The eyes have at six zero.

[1:44:46] We're going to take a 15 minute break.

[1:44:48] We'll resume at 8 p.m.

[1:45:01] Mr. Standish, item 2 of regular agenda. Public hearing, discussion, and possible action regarding two applications related to the Oral Valley Town Center, PAD, for an area known as the former Rooney Ranch property, located at the northeast intersection of Oracle Road and Pushview Lane.

[1:45:19] The two items include item A, resolution number R, 26-21, general plan amendment from low density residential dash 2 to community and regional commercial and open space for a portion of area 4, only on town owned property and item 2b, ordinance number 026-077, rezoning planned area development amendment for area 2, area 3 and area 4, to revise existing uses,

[1:45:48] Revised tentative development plans increase open space, reduce building heights, add town homes, as a permitted use, and other related changes.

[1:45:59] Thank you, Mr. Standard. She do such a good job.

[1:46:02] There's a public hearing associated with this agenda item. I'm opening the public hearing at this time. If you want to speak to this agenda item, please fill out a blue card.

[1:46:11] And when I call your name, if you please come forward, state your name, and whether or not you're a resident of Oral Valley.

[1:46:19] Sue Dugan and Sue, I'm calling you because I think you had intended to speak.

[1:46:30] Thank you again for letting me speak.

[1:46:34] That land I know was donated, I believe, by the developer.

[1:46:40] And to me it makes sense to leave it as open space.

[1:46:46] Don't need any trails or anything, just open space.

[1:46:49] And the reason for it is that without having the nature around us,

[1:46:54] the rainfall is affected.

[1:46:57] And I'd like to see a little more of open space being left.

[1:47:02] And with developers too, I'm a thumb believer in property rights.

[1:47:07] But if developers could be encouraged not to mow down everything with a building and leave some general areas that are around.

[1:47:19] Now, as far as it doesn't really affect me, but it does affect my subdivision because it backs up to where they are.

[1:47:29] But as far as I'm concerned, I mean, I'm going to be 80 next year, I've had my first stroke.

[1:47:35] My doctor says, forget it, you're not going to make it through the next one.

[1:47:40] So, yeah, realistic, we're very realistic with my doctor's, but I want to be around

[1:47:46] to your 20, 30 years from now.

[1:47:48] But I still would like you to consider your kids and your grandkids, keep some open space.

[1:47:57] it's so beautiful when you look out and you see all the trees and I know that a lot of this

[1:48:03] land is privately owned but there is a solution and one thought that maybe you can consider

[1:48:14] is doing a real estate property tax and on a sale of a house or a piece of land you have like

[1:48:23] 1.5% of 1% transfer fee. That goes into a fund and that fund is used to buy some of the land of different owners.

[1:48:35] And I've seen it work in other towns. People complain for about five years because they said,

[1:48:42] You know, you know, you can go to pay more money, you know, but then it's been an effect for

[1:48:47] now 30 years and all through this town there's beautiful green areas. It's beautiful. So none

[1:48:56] of us are pitching a plan anymore because it really did work and it really is a solution on that.

[1:49:05] So if you are going to down zone on this piece of property, I mean I understand if you want to

[1:49:12] leave the area relative along Oracle, leave it for commercial, but I think it's time to really

[1:49:23] start thinking about the future for your families and everyone else that's coming.

[1:49:28] I have a lot of people I know that are living up in the Phoenix area and they're all coming

[1:49:34] down here to buy because they sit as beautiful or a valley in Marana, so maybe think about

[1:49:39] that for the future.

[1:49:40] Thank you, Mr.agan. Don English.

[1:49:50] My name is Don English, and I live here for almost 15 years.

[1:49:56] And I'd like to just say I'm not opposed to housing projects,

[1:50:00] or and I understand the need to raise revenue from tax revenue from sales tax.

[1:50:06] But I am opposed to this project.

[1:50:09] It is in area three, just too big.

[1:50:13] We are putting too many apartments and townhouses into an area that overwhelms the landscape.

[1:50:23] It's you horns, too many buildings into too small a site.

[1:50:28] I've walked around that area many times around the Elterado apartments in that dog park.

[1:50:34] And putting three story apartment buildings in that bowl area will destroy that view.

[1:50:40] That's all there is to it.

[1:50:42] It will destroy the view.

[1:50:43] It is not minimally invasive as staff has suggested.

[1:50:49] And the computer images that are being presented

[1:50:52] are highly misleading regarding the elevation

[1:50:55] and the site views.

[1:50:57] Let Kitchell develop long Oracle Road.

[1:51:00] That's fine.

[1:51:02] That's fine.

[1:51:04] But we need more discussion on this site.

[1:51:07] That's the first problem.

[1:51:08] The second problem is that we just simply haven't had enough analysis of this.

[1:51:15] The process seems to me like putting the cart before the horse.

[1:51:21] As near as I can tell, the first discussion of this happened in February 2024 when the

[1:51:28] city manager made a presentation to a steady session that was close to the public.

[1:51:34] Lots of creative ideas came out of that, including the discussion about selling it and

[1:51:40] parceling it up so that we don't have to take it to the public for a vote.

[1:51:45] Lots of discussion.

[1:51:47] No vote was taken by the Council at that time, but even the Vice Mayor said, and I will

[1:51:53] quote, we need to keep in mind what our citizens would like to see because the property

[1:52:00] ultimately belongs to them. When we say belongs to the town, it belongs to the citizens of the town.

[1:52:08] Now, two and a half years later, in September 25, I don't seem to know where staff comes up with this

[1:52:16] full-blown idea for commercial and residential development of this pristine property.

[1:52:22] With no public input that I can find. Listening to that discussion last year in this

[1:52:30] This council was bizarre. It was bizarre. The word spitting that we did tonight on this happened last

[1:52:37] week, last year too. And I was just amazed at all the discussion and parsing about the general

[1:52:44] plan and mountain views and sunset views and desert views and all these other views when proceeding

[1:52:52] with this would take away all of that. Let me say, I'm opposed to this. I think we need more discussion

[1:52:59] We can't go forward with this. We need better ideas and we need them now before we move forward.

[1:53:06] Thank you, Mr. English. Kurt Weirick.

[1:53:12] Good evening Mayor. Good evening council. My name is Kurt Weirick.

[1:53:16] And I am a resident of Oral Valley. I live in La Reserves, bought my house in 2007. I love it. It's a beautiful neighborhood.

[1:53:25] I've attended both of the neighborhood meetings for this discussion, as well as the Planning Commission,

[1:53:30] in zoning commission last night.

[1:53:32] This is a very unique, special piece of land.

[1:53:36] I don't even only have two and a half minutes.

[1:53:38] It's beautiful.

[1:53:39] You can't replace this, it's just an amazing sacred space.

[1:53:44] And I think the plans that I have seen

[1:53:46] don't do this justice.

[1:53:48] And I think, let's think about the vision for the future.

[1:53:52] It's a scenic mountain view.

[1:53:54] And if it's turned into a commercial development

[1:53:56] with apartments or town homes or more strip malls,

[1:54:00] I think it's going to destroy that, so we don't need more apartments, we don't need more

[1:54:05] strip malls.

[1:54:06] When I'd like to see is it become open space, and this council has the power and the ability

[1:54:12] to zone it as open space, it was donated to the town, let's think long term for the future.

[1:54:18] It's a beautiful space, it's a wonderful scenic view, let's maintain that.

[1:54:25] And I really strongly also think the project that, as it's been described, oracle road traffic.

[1:54:31] I can see it from why I reserve, I see it in my house 24 hours a day.

[1:54:35] It's gridlock.

[1:54:36] It's only going to get worse if you have commercial development in there.

[1:54:39] So I would say please keep it as open space for future generations.

[1:54:44] But I appreciate what you do and thank you for listening.

[1:54:47] Thank you.

[1:54:48] Thank you.

[1:54:49] I have no other blue cards for the public hearing for this agenda item.

[1:54:53] if you would like to speak to this agenda item.

[1:54:55] This is your opportunity to do so.

[1:54:59] I'm going to close.

[1:55:02] Can you please fill out a blue card?

[1:55:04] Yes.

[1:55:06] You'll need to do that.

[1:56:00] If you agree with anyone.

[1:56:01] If you would please state your name

[1:56:03] and whether or not you're a resident of Oral Valley.

[1:56:06] Theresa Comer.

[1:56:08] I'm a resident of Oral Valley for 13 years.

[1:56:13] I attended two of the meetings prior to this one and watched one on Zoom, so I'm kind of aware of what's going on with the property, although I did not know about the one last night, so I have not seen it.

[1:56:30] I'm just coming on behalf of myself as a kind of town historian who loves the land, loves that property and knows the history of the property from the time when Jack Proctor owned it and then sold it to the Rooney family.

[1:56:48] It's a beautiful space, it is bright at the base of our Oral Valley, Arizona, founded 1974,

[1:56:58] logo behind you, and you can see there's no development there.

[1:57:03] That ridge is iconic of our town.

[1:57:07] Push view is the name of that road from when George push made that our kind of landmark

[1:57:15] of the town. So I think it really does deserve the respect that our founders, not only

[1:57:24] of the town, but of the old town going back to the whole home, had there. We respect, we

[1:57:34] should respect the land and keep that space open or at least develop it with something

[1:57:41] in mind for the future, keeping the history in line with the beauty of that ridge.

[1:57:48] Thank you very much, Council.

[1:57:50] Thank you.

[1:57:52] I'm going to close the public hearing and invite Principal Planner Mr. Spade to the podium

[1:57:59] and help present this item this evening.

[1:58:01] Welcome, Mr. Spade.

[1:58:06] All right.

[1:58:06] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:58:07] Members of the Council.

[1:58:08] My name is Michael Spade, Principal Planner with the Town of World Alley.

[1:58:12] As Mr. Standish said, the purpose for this item is to consider two applications related to the town owned portions of the Oral Valley Town Center.

[1:58:21] The first being item A, a general plan amendment, and the second item B is a PAD amendment or rezoning.

[1:58:29] Planning and zoning commission considered both applications at a public hearing last evening and has recommended approval of both items.

[1:58:36] And I would like to just remind Council that there are two motions this evening, because there are two items and the action on item B is dependent upon the approval of item A.

[1:58:48] Bless you.

[1:58:50] So as I'm jumping in, I'd just like to kind of go over some of the overarching goals of the project and what we really anticipate for the future site development.

[1:58:58] We're really in phase one of at least a three phase project that is looking at the zoning for the property and the overall aim for future development as highlighted here on the screen reflects some of the direction that we receive from council last year in September.

[1:59:15] namely expanding open space on the property as of right now the plan before you

[1:59:22] proposes 88 acres of permanent open space which is about 78% of the subject

[1:59:30] properties that we're looking at tonight in areas two three and four much of

[1:59:34] that is being created by the elimination of single family residential in area four

[1:59:39] currently entitled our 77 detached single family lots that you can see there at the bottom

[1:59:46] of that image. Those are being entirely eliminated as part of this proposal. Another aim

[1:59:53] is to reduce building heights on the town owned areas and then adopt zoning to essential.

[2:00:00] We kind of set the table for the potential future sale of the town owned portions of this area. As we dove into the project, we revised site designs that staff felt are, we're hoping, feel are attractive to future residents as well as future buyers of the property.

[2:00:18] we were aiming to get a better mix of commercial and residential acreage on the property than currently exist today.

[2:00:26] Incorporate gathering areas throughout the site and then also provide a preliminary appraisal which I'll touch on here in a minute.

[2:00:34] So as part of the project, the key elements that are being changed as part of what was included in your packet are shown here on the table on the left and I'll just quickly walk through those.

[2:00:44] Again, so open space is increasing from 69 acres to about 88 acres, which again is 78% of the subject area we're reviewing tonight.

[2:00:56] By eliminating those, those homes in the South and Area 4, the buffer for neighbors in the Elk and Kiesidor patio homes has increased from about 100 feet to 350 feet, so not a small increase there.

[2:01:10] On the town owned portions area three and area four, we're including some limitations on building heights as you can see there.

[2:01:19] The current existing entitlement for area three and area two are 40 feet for retail 50 for office as well as the potential 75 foot 5 story hotel.

[2:01:30] So, those are being removed as part of this application.

[2:01:34] The commercial acreage is being increased by about seven acres, and we are proposing to

[2:01:39] limit development along the Oracle corridor that kind of commercial corridor away from

[2:01:45] neighbors as much as possible.

[2:01:47] Again, aiming to try and have a better mix of the commercial and residential acreage, as

[2:01:52] you can see there in the table, and then also providing an appraisal for Council's consideration.

[2:01:57] So, just to quickly provide some background and history on the project, for those who aren't familiar with what a PAD represents, a planned area development is a specific set of zoning documents or zoning guidelines for a site specific area in this

[2:02:13] in this case, the Oral Valley Town Center.

[2:02:17] So this particular PAD is a total of 141 acres

[2:02:20] made up of four areas,

[2:02:22] and you can see in the graphic there on the right.

[2:02:25] There are two commercial areas, area one and two,

[2:02:27] a mixed use area in area three,

[2:02:29] and then area four is currently entitled for residential.

[2:02:33] I would like to point out none of the proposed changes

[2:02:35] in your packet effect area one at all.

[2:02:38] The PAD itself was originally zoned in 2002,

[2:02:41] with amendments in 2012 and 2019 and also in 2019 is one of the residents mentioned

[2:02:50] areas three and area four were donated by the Rudy family to the town. Last year

[2:02:56] town council did initiate a general plan amendment for an area four and a rezoning

[2:03:01] for areas three and four. So jumping into the two applications we're considering

[2:03:06] the first again is that general plan amendment for portions of area four that are shown here

[2:03:12] in the dashed yellow line. You can see in the left hand image that area is currently designated

[2:03:18] as low density residential two that kind of oranges yellow. And these land use designations on

[2:03:26] the general plan are being changed to accommodate the proposed uses that are being included in item

[2:03:32] so this step is necessary preceding the next application.

[2:03:37] And so as part of the proposed general plan change,

[2:03:41] we're proposing to change it to commercial and regional commercial

[2:03:45] along Oracle Road, shown there in red,

[2:03:49] and then open space for the remainder of the area

[2:03:52] in the yellow dotted line that is closest to neighbors to the south.

[2:03:58] General plan amendments are reviewed for conformance

[2:04:00] with the general plan, including the vision,

[2:04:03] the guiding principles, goals and actions,

[2:04:05] just like you talked about on the first item

[2:04:06] on this agenda this evening.

[2:04:08] With this particular application staff focused

[2:04:10] on goals and actions specific to view impacts,

[2:04:15] land use transitions, traffic, as well as open space

[2:04:19] and the provision of buffers to neighbors.

[2:04:23] General plan, amendment applications

[2:04:25] are also reviewed for conformance

[2:04:26] with the specific amendment criteria

[2:04:28] in the general plan in the zoning code, which requires overall general plan conformance ensuring

[2:04:35] that the application in incorporated effective public outreach, and then for non-residential

[2:04:40] applications like this does the application contribute to the long-term economic stability of the

[2:04:46] town. So in summary, the general plan amendment itself is in conformance with all of this criteria.

[2:04:54] Moving on to item B. Again, the PAD amendment or rezoning. Again, it's primarily for the town owned portions of area three and area four, but does include a name change to area two and I'll describe what I mean by that in just a minute.

[2:05:11] But none of the area two property rights or site plans are being changed as part of this development application.

[2:05:19] The rezoning itself really has three key elements.

[2:05:22] The first is revising the overall area plan.

[2:05:26] The second is incorporating new illustrative site plans,

[2:05:29] and I'll describe what I mean by that.

[2:05:31] And then thirdly are some minor text changes

[2:05:34] to the PAD document itself to reflect the new site plans.

[2:05:40] So the first change, again, is revising the overall area plan.

[2:05:43] Again, no changes are being made to area one,

[2:05:46] shown here in red.

[2:05:47] The existing area plan is shown on the left hand side

[2:05:50] the screen and you can see that there are three areas south of the Rooney Wash areas

[2:05:55] two area three and area four area two is owned by Kichel who was invited to be part

[2:06:02] of the rezoning and did work with the town to help develop comprehensive and cohesive

[2:06:08] site plans or site designs but ultimately opted to not be a part of the rezoning.

[2:06:14] So, because they're not a part of the rezoning, we have revised the area plan on the right to separate area 2A and 2B from each other.

[2:06:25] So, the town owned portions would be area 3, area 4 and area 2B.

[2:06:33] All of the site designs included in your packet as well as all of the development standards acknowledged that none of the site plan changes

[2:06:40] or there are no site plan changes or development standard changes for the

[2:06:45] kichel piece shown there is area 2A and recognizes that again there are going to be

[2:06:51] five new areas within the PAD. It's worth noting that should the owner of area 2A

[2:06:57] kichel in the future want to develop in alignment with the site plans that we're going to

[2:07:02] discuss for area 2B that flexibility is worked into the PAD document so that is an option.

[2:07:10] So, again, the second element is to introduce some new illustrative site plans.

[2:07:15] So, for area 2, be there are two commercial site plans and for area 3, there are two residential

[2:07:22] site plans.

[2:07:24] All four of these, if approved, as presented, would be included in the PAD.

[2:07:30] Document and future developers would be able to pick which one they wanted to utilize in each respective area.

[2:07:37] So, specifically, in area 2B, again, there's two commercial options. One is really your kind of traditional or standard commercial design with pads up along

[2:07:47] Oracle Road and the larger building footprints pushed further back to preserve view corridors.

[2:07:53] just to think of like the target shopping center across the street is a good example of what a

[2:07:59] traditional commercial shopping center would be like. And then the linear commercial shopping center

[2:08:04] shown there on the right is very similar to the existing CVS panera bread chipotle shopping

[2:08:10] area, just north of this in area one. So those are the two concepts, both concepts is a

[2:08:17] for a typical commercial C2 uses like retail restaurant office hotel of things of that nature.

[2:08:24] For the town owned portion in area 2B, we're proposing building heights of 34 feet within

[2:08:30] 200 feet of the Oracle Road right away and 49 feet beyond 200 feet. Again, pushing those larger

[2:08:38] buildings back to protect viewsheds. Access to that area would be from the existing push

[2:08:44] If you lane bridge at the light at the intersection, we do recognize that this will require

[2:08:50] cross-axis agreements with Kitchell, which would be worked out in later phases of this project.

[2:08:57] But both designs also incorporate a new right-in, right-out access point down there at the

[2:09:03] south end that will need to ultimately be approved by A.D., because it's connecting to Oracle

[2:09:09] road, but preliminary review in towns, standards, that access point does comply with all requirements.

[2:09:19] As far as building heights go, I'd just like to quickly provide a little context. So,

[2:09:23] in that shopping center up in area one, we're looking at a graphic on the left of CBS,

[2:09:28] there at the top of the image, Panera Bridge, Chipotle, and so forth. So, that shopping center right

[2:09:34] now has building heights ranging from 25 feet to 30 feet as you can see in that graphic on the left.

[2:09:40] They do incorporate varied roof lines which are required by code and you can see an example of that and that right hand image there

[2:09:47] and the purpose of those is to really screen those rooftop mechanical equipment

[2:09:52] that are all those little red stars that are on that left hand image there

[2:09:57] so quite a number of rooftop mechanical equipment and code requires that those be screened

[2:10:02] not only for more a cold but from adjacent neighbors and resonances and so on

[2:10:07] So, it's just provide a little context of what area one has incorporated.

[2:10:13] As far as area three goes, again there are two concepts, one for apartments and one for

[2:10:17] town homes, both the apartments include a concept that anticipates between 225 and 300

[2:10:27] units.

[2:10:28] Excuse me, I have a misprint there.

[2:10:30] And the town homes are four about 105 to 115 homes in this area because it's set back a

[2:10:36] bit building heights range from 40 feet for the two buildings closest to Oracle Road up to 49 feet

[2:10:45] for the buildings set back a little bit and I shall point out that those building heights do

[2:10:51] incorporate the 10 foot of extra architectural features to help screen some of that rooftop mechanic

[2:10:58] equipment area three would be accessed from the existing push view lane bridge at the Oracle

[2:11:05] intersection and then a future bridge heading north, connecting to first avenue that

[2:11:12] depending on what the developer wants to do, it could be a vehicle and pedestrian

[2:11:17] bridge or just a pedestrian bridge either way. And that option is there as well.

[2:11:23] So I just wanted to also provide a little context of the existing

[2:11:27] via San Dorado apartments, so this is an example of what they've done for two story

[2:11:35] buildings at 27 feet, and then three stories at 38 feet, and you can see how they've

[2:11:41] kind of been broken out to step back a little bit again from the scenic corridor along

[2:11:45] Oracle Road. As far as area four goes, again the proposal intends to eliminate all 77

[2:11:55] single family lots along the south border there and area four again increasing that

[2:12:00] buffer for neighbors and increasing the overall open space by about 25

[2:12:06] acres up to 88 acres and in area four the PAD only allows natural open space

[2:12:14] trails and trailheads as permitted uses and then there is a little piece along

[2:12:18] Oracle Road adjacent to Kitchell's piece that we're proposing to change to

[2:12:24] additional commercial acreage.

[2:12:28] The applications were presented at two neighborhood meetings in February and March of this year.

[2:12:34] Some key themes are key topics that were discussed at both meetings include minimizing view impacts,

[2:12:39] traffic, and open space preservation.

[2:12:41] I'm going to quickly walk through how the applications address all three of those.

[2:12:47] So, again, with regard to minimizing view impacts, we really did try to consolidate development

[2:12:53] as far away from neighbors as possible, really pushing development up along that commercial

[2:12:58] corridor along Oracle Road.

[2:13:00] Those areas, of course, are in areas that really have minimal visibility to neighbors

[2:13:05] to the east and to the south, and then, again, also moving taller structures back away from

[2:13:11] seen a corridor to help minimize view impacts to a Oracle road.

[2:13:17] The area of area 2b, as you can see in this graphic here, sits about 60 feet lower than

[2:13:23] the surrounding crests of the ridges to the south and to the east. You can't see it there,

[2:13:31] but I assure you that's where the oak and pieces or patio homes are where it's pointed

[2:13:34] out in the right-hand side of the screen. So again, about 60 feet lower than those homes to

[2:13:41] itself. Again, by eliminating the single-family residential, we've increased the buffer substantially

[2:13:48] to the neighbors in the Elcom case that are patio homes there. And then we did have our

[2:13:54] consultant put together a graphic to kind of demonstrate what the proposed development might

[2:13:59] look like. So if you look at the map at the top right of the screen, where that little red

[2:14:04] star is, is where this picture is taking kind of looking northwest. And so you can see the

[2:14:09] buildings there and the proposed image fitting in with some of the built environment along the

[2:14:15] or Oracle corridor. And again, all of these buildings would have to comply with the town's

[2:14:21] architectural guidelines and standards and would help fit in a little bit more. So moving on to

[2:14:28] area three, this area again sits significantly lower than the surrounding crests of the ridges

[2:14:35] anywhere from about 55 feet to 65 feet as you can see there in this graphic.

[2:14:41] After the left of the image you can see the some of the law reserve homes back to the east.

[2:14:48] So this area sits about 575 feet from from the law reserve homes to the east and what's not shown in this graphic, but you can see the little yellowish.

[2:15:00] On the left hand image is a pretty significant slope between those two that access kind of a natural barrier, a visual barrier, to any potential development.

[2:15:11] Again, we do have renderings for this area, and you can see we took this picture at the east end of the Elcomtesis or patio homes kind of looking north, northwest to really look up that kind of wash valley that goes through the property.

[2:15:25] and you can see in the existing image on the left

[2:15:28] where the Lopisata building is and then on the right

[2:15:31] where the proposed apartments are.

[2:15:34] And so you can see that they fit in with the built environment

[2:15:38] and the natural vegetation pretty well.

[2:15:41] Another key element staff looked at was impacts

[2:15:44] from Oracle Road.

[2:15:46] This graphic was taken right in front of Chipotle,

[2:15:49] looking kind of southeast back towards

[2:15:52] where the old mattress firm was.

[2:15:53] And so this is a kind of a representation of what the 49-foot tall apartment building would

[2:16:00] look like from Oracle Road relative to the existing buildings out in the area.

[2:16:07] With regard to traffic that was discussed at neighborhood meetings, the area, it's worth

[2:16:12] keeping in mind that the subject properties are currently entitled for commercial retail apartments,

[2:16:20] hotels, single-family residential.

[2:16:21] and so when comparing the anticipated traffic counts for what's being considered this evening to

[2:16:28] deals existing traffic counts that were approved as part of the previous TIA, staff does

[2:16:34] anticipate that those would be roughly the same if not less than those numbers. And we did take a

[2:16:41] look at two segments of Oracle Road in response to some of the questions we got from neighbors.

[2:16:47] those being push-view lanes south to Linda Vista and then push-view lane north to

[2:16:53] Tangerine and you can see by those numbers there is still capacity in both of

[2:16:59] those segments of Oracle Road to handle anticipated traffic increases.

[2:17:05] And then

[2:17:06] lastly the preservation of open space again eliminating those single family homes

[2:17:11] increasing permanent protected open space to 88 acres and limiting permitted

[2:17:16] uses to just trails and trailhead, certainly contributes to open space preservation.

[2:17:25] As was mentioned, the Commission considered both applications last night and they also discussed

[2:17:32] some traffic impacts and open space preservation and ultimately recommended approval

[2:17:38] of both items.

[2:17:41] So, in summary, again, we're here to discuss two items related to the undeveloped portions,

[2:17:48] town owned portions of the Oral Valley Town Center.

[2:17:51] The first is the general plan amendment, and the second is the rezoning.

[2:17:56] I would like to point out, again, that a number of things are being changed in a positive

[2:18:01] light from staff's perspective as part of this, including open space, a larger buffer

[2:18:06] neighbors, reduced building ice increased commercial acreage, really limiting development

[2:18:13] along the Oracle corridor and having a better mix of commercial and residential acreage.

[2:18:20] And then ultimately providing the appraisal that town council requested last time we met.

[2:18:25] Again, I would point out, oh, and I should say the appraiser is here this evening, so if you do

[2:18:30] have any questions about what was provided in your staff reports, I will gladly defer all

[2:18:36] those questions to him. But again, I would just like to reiterate, I put the schedule for the project

[2:18:42] on here on the right-hand side of the screen. We are really in phase one, really focused on

[2:18:47] the zoning and entitlement and trying to figure out what's appropriate for the property,

[2:18:52] and then of course phase two, would be the future sale that council would certainly weigh in on

[2:18:57] an ultimately development by the private sector down the road. Should that be the direction council

[2:19:02] once to go. So, that's a mouthful. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. That concludes my presentation.

[2:19:08] Again, I would just like to remind you that two motions are required this evening in item B, action on item B, dependent on what you do with item A.

[2:19:18] So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And again, I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

[2:19:21] Thank you, Mr. Spade. We appreciate all the work that you and other members of the planning staff have done for this project.

[2:19:30] I'd like to just speak briefly to those who spoke during the public hearing.

[2:19:35] I certainly understand the desire to keep this land and develop,

[2:19:40] especially given its location and views.

[2:19:44] I've lived in Oral Valley for 30 years.

[2:19:47] I'm a landscape architect.

[2:19:49] I have an appreciation for open space and views,

[2:19:53] and it's certainly something that this council has

[2:19:56] driven to honor in our community.

[2:20:01] At the same time, this is a community asset

[2:20:04] that we have an obligation to manage responsibly.

[2:20:08] And that includes, at least in my view,

[2:20:10] generating value that can be reinvested

[2:20:13] back into our community,

[2:20:16] such as our future police facility.

[2:20:20] Looking at the appraisals data that has been provided,

[2:20:26] The value generated by this proposed development could be somewhere around $10 million towards the town and towards the future police facility.

[2:20:42] That's accomplished while still preserving significant open space.

[2:20:46] It was mentioned my Mr. Spade 88 acres are almost 78% of this site.

[2:20:52] It provides an ownership housing option that's limited in oral ballet, and we've heard from

[2:21:02] our residents that town homes is a type of housing that they would support.

[2:21:13] And it provides support to existing and potentially new businesses in the vicinity of this project.

[2:21:24] I realize that that may and doesn't necessarily address your concerns and I respect your concerns.

[2:21:33] And in regards to item A, I move to approve resolution number R26-21 proposed general plan

[2:21:41] amendment for area four from low density residential to community and regional to community

[2:21:53] and regional commercial and open space on town own property only included in attachment

[2:21:58] one based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the your voice, our future

[2:22:04] general plan. Second, second by council member Green, and certainly we'll open it up for

[2:22:11] discussion and questions for Mr. Spate.

[2:22:16] Vice Mayor?

[2:22:19] I would just like to comment, I'm going to

[2:22:22] vote in favor of this general plan amendment, and I don't take that lightly. To my recollection,

[2:22:28] This is the first time.

[2:22:30] In eight years that I've voted to change the general plan, unless there's a time that I'm not remembering at the moment.

[2:22:38] So, the reason that I am going to move forward with that is because the current general plan and the current land use allowed on that property involves quite a bit of housing that goes all the way up through those hillsides, and there's a substantial amount of grading that is required to put in those housing.

[2:22:59] There's a lot of grading waivers, and I'm not saying there won't be any grading on this

[2:23:04] section, but the grading would be up close to Oracle Road versus those whole hill

[2:23:10] sides all the way up that are so beautiful at the foot hills of those mountain sides.

[2:23:16] And so making sure that that section was preserved, and that those hillsides were preserved,

[2:23:25] Was very important to me and has been very important to me since we acquired this property seven years ago

[2:23:34] And so

[2:23:36] That's that's a key and critical

[2:23:39] Point in moving forward with this

[2:23:42] General planet amendment for me in addition to some of the other reasons that have been stated

[2:23:47] But I certainly do not take that lightly and I think that the preservation of that open space on those hillsides is

[2:23:55] something that has been a goal of mine.

[2:23:57] And protecting against that substantial amount

[2:24:01] of cutting and grading where those homes are currently

[2:24:04] zoned.

[2:24:05] Councilmember Green, thank you for the presentation, Mr. Spade.

[2:24:11] I seconded the motion, because I

[2:24:14] have walked all around that property, and I

[2:24:17] have seen drones put up at the heights that we're

[2:24:21] And then take it a look at those drones from Oracle as well as for the housing areas.

[2:24:29] And the amount if anything that it obstruct views is minimal to nothing.

[2:24:35] And I love the idea that we're preserving the open space.

[2:24:39] I moved to Boston for a job when I retired from that.

[2:24:43] I couldn't wait to get back here.

[2:24:45] And when I was explaining what I loved about coming back here was the open space,

[2:24:51] the beauty of the mountains and the things that we're working to try to preserve.

[2:24:56] So I appreciate the folks that testified tonight, but I am voting to try to allow some

[2:25:04] minimum development in this area.

[2:25:07] Councilmember Murphy.

[2:25:09] Thank you. I just want to echo the mayor's sentiments. I think this is about a very

[2:25:15] careful balance. So I want you to know that we've definitely heard what you were saying.

[2:25:20] We've heard some of these comments before, which is why we insisted that staff go back and really

[2:25:26] truly look at the open space.

[2:25:28] So to the staff, I really appreciate that you listened and that you did that because that's

[2:25:32] what our residents deserve and need.

[2:25:35] So I would say almost 80% open space is amazing for this.

[2:25:40] And again, we're removing this down towards Oracle Road and to councilmember greens point, I too went out with staff and looked at the drone and I was shocked when I went out to Oracle Road. I thought for sure I'm going to see some of the building above the buildings that were in front and I didn't see it at all. And I finally found the drone and it was down, they showed a photo of it earlier if you want me to pull it back up. But it was down, sure, do you mind showing?

[2:26:09] And it was down so low, I said, from Oracle, at least, where it was in between that, where the black dots are, it was below the building, and I thought, wow, that's an optical illusion, because I thought I didn't realize it would be that low.

[2:26:27] So, I echo as sentiment, I hear you, I think that this has to be about a careful balance

[2:26:33] for all of Oral Valley in the general plan, the long-term economic stability, super important.

[2:26:39] We've got to look towards the future for all residents and for everyone, and I think this

[2:26:43] is a really good reasonable compromise here.

[2:26:48] Okay, seeing no other comments, so there's a motion on the table, all in favor say I,

[2:26:57] I,

[2:26:57] I'm going to read a motion for Item B. There's a bit of a adjustment from what's in your packet, my council member. So I move to approve ordinance number 026-07, the proposed plan area development amendment included as attachment to based on a finding that the request is in compliance with your voice, our future general plan and all applicable zoning code requirements.

[2:27:26] subject to further condition that area three be restricted to one or two

[2:27:33] story town homes to sell for ownership. If area two B becomes a linear

[2:27:39] commercial, the height shall be limited to 30 feet inclusive of architectural

[2:27:45] features consistent with existing retail. Second, seconded by Councilmember

[2:27:50] screen, discussion,

[2:27:55] clarification.

[2:27:56] OK, so there are two options.

[2:28:01] There was the apartment option and the townhome option.

[2:28:05] And so in my motion, I've limited it to the townhome option, one or two

[2:28:10] story, and visiting with our planning staff.

[2:28:14] They've reached out to potential developers that were very supportive of

[2:28:21] homes. And I believe that that's really would be supported by the majority of residents, not

[2:28:28] by every resident, but by the majority of the residents.

[2:28:31] Okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you. That's what I was going to ask staff. Is this a viable

[2:28:36] option? Because we want to make sure that if we're going through all of this commotion that

[2:28:40] it's going to be viable. But it sounds like you already answered the mayor's question. So we've

[2:28:45] got developers that may be interested in that. That's great. Perfect.

[2:28:50] Can you remember Nicholson?

[2:28:53] I want to say one thing.

[2:28:55] Generally, they don't want apartments, but if they were apartments, the general rule of thumb is you want to pay 10% land value for the tire projects.

[2:29:03] So if you did 250 apartments, and 250,000 dollars of peace to be, you know, a $5 million Liancel, which would be $5 million tax payer revenue versus town homes, which may be just a couple million.

[2:29:19] So, well, the appraisers report, it showed both the apartments and the town homes, and they were very comfortable.

[2:29:27] And for me personally, Council members,

[2:29:32] I accept the fact that maybe the town home option may not generate, perhaps as much money,

[2:29:40] but I believe that there's a greater need for town homes in our community.

[2:29:45] I believe that that would be supported by more residents than apartments.

[2:29:52] And for as long as I've been on council, this has been an interest in, you know,

[2:29:58] we've asked, I've asked developers.

[2:30:00] Why won't you propose town homes and, you know, for a variety of reasons, they've just not shown an interest.

[2:30:08] But now we have the opportunity to bring town homes to our community. And I think the, at least the value from what we've seen from the appraisal is that it's comparable.

[2:30:19] Well, the appraiser is here. Is that right, Michael, or Mr. Spade?

[2:30:30] Could you, can you want to come forward and

[2:30:41] good evening Mayor and council?

[2:30:42] Well, can you just stay here name?

[2:30:44] My name is Michael Nafie. I'm a commercial real estate appraiser.

[2:30:48] I've been appraising for about 45 years.

[2:30:51] So I've been doing that almost as long as the town's been in existence.

[2:30:58] And I probably have one of the broadest experiences as an appraiser in this community.

[2:31:09] I've done things like the Reethion plant.

[2:31:13] And I've done things like helping people get the San Rafael ranch into a conservation

[2:31:19] So open space and balance is something that's a novel idea to me or something that's

[2:31:29] frowned upon.

[2:31:32] So one of the things that I like to look at is what's best and what's the balance.

[2:31:40] It's really important so you're a little legislated body.

[2:31:44] So, the more flexibility that you can give yourselves, the better off you are.

[2:31:49] Because markets change, demand changes, cycles change, all sorts of things change.

[2:31:55] So the more fluid, so, so, and from the standpoint of having invested in and also

[2:32:01] appraised and consulted,

[2:32:05] I would encourage you to have flexibility, it helps your options

[2:32:10] down the road and helps the community because you're there to help the community.

[2:32:16] And I really take that seriously.

[2:32:22] This was a very preliminary consultative report for the planning staff and the council.

[2:32:30] So it's not, you know, ironclad stamped and stoned.

[2:32:34] There's a broad range and it was done for a reason.

[2:32:38] There are steps that you can take to hopefully create value within this property.

[2:32:49] And by the way, the townhouse, you might have to work harder,

[2:32:56] demand might change.

[2:32:58] I don't know.

[2:33:00] I can't forecast the future very well.

[2:33:02] Nobody else seems to be able to either.

[2:33:04] So,

[2:33:07] again, my encouragement is be flexible.

[2:33:11] I think by the way, I will tell you this.

[2:33:13] I like to make suggestions when I do these reports and help clients.

[2:33:18] So one of the suggestions was, hey, by the way,

[2:33:20] you need to reach out and talk to the development community in the community a little bit

[2:33:24] so that you get an idea of what's really where there's some demand

[2:33:28] and things like that.

[2:33:29] Of course, buyer said, we already did that.

[2:33:33] So your staffs on the ball, they did exactly what, if I was sitting in your position, I would

[2:33:41] want them to do.

[2:33:44] So y'all did well, I know, I know, you don't really want to hear that, but y'all did well.

[2:33:51] So thank you.

[2:33:52] So I hope that helps.

[2:33:54] So in terms of the value, yes, there's some similarities.

[2:34:00] Or there can be similarities.

[2:34:01] The problem is the demand, the developer demand,

[2:34:08] even not the user demand, but the developer demand

[2:34:10] is thinner for town homes and apartments.

[2:34:15] There's also, you can do things where you can mix and match.

[2:34:22] So, the other, and something that Mayor, you brought up,

[2:34:25] all right, I think you brought up, but somebody brought up and said,

[2:34:29] Look, we got to have residences, so they buy stuff from the commercial people.

[2:34:36] If you don't have that, you're not going to get the other.

[2:34:41] So there's the economic principle of balance, which is a fundamental balance for evaluation,

[2:34:48] balance is very important.

[2:34:52] And I hope you don't feel like I'm lecturing that, but I hope you feel like I'm trying very

[2:34:56] hard to give you a broad-based explanation of what I get.

[2:35:04] Yeah, so when I read your report and you gave the appraisal of both the apartments and

[2:35:10] the town homes, they were very comparable.

[2:35:15] Is that correct?

[2:35:17] Pardon?

[2:35:19] For the four million for, I believe it was four million for the townhomes departments.

[2:35:28] And there was a range, there was a range of four to seven million round of figures.

[2:35:33] Four to seven, so I'm speaking conservatively, and then on the commercial, the range was, the range was three,

[2:35:42] basically four to six and a half. Okay. Again, round a number.

[2:35:51] Did you have any other questions?

[2:35:53] I hope I answered your question. Councilmember Nicholson.

[2:35:56] So when we do sell these, do they go to auction or do you list it for a sales price and people come in

[2:36:03] and make offers? You could do either. I've actually held an auction on lots on some lots

[2:36:11] and did very well.

[2:36:13] That's when I'll turn it to the sale.

[2:36:15] So, and putting a sign on the property and marketing it, that's just another way to do it.

[2:36:22] In this particular case, by the way, though, this is not a general public type of auction.

[2:36:28] There's a select group of people that will be interested in this type of development.

[2:36:33] Some will look at both, but most will look at one or the other.

[2:36:37] And so the best thing you do is have a knowledgeable broker list of property and take it out to the market.

[2:36:46] They will talk to the people that are the decision makers that are interested in buying the property.

[2:36:50] Can't remember Nicholson.

[2:36:52] I would suggest listing it for sale.

[2:36:54] Honestly, you should probably list it for both option.

[2:36:56] You said the town hall market is very slim.

[2:36:58] That is a complete understanding of it.

[2:37:00] It is very small town homes compared to there's a huge demand for apartments.

[2:37:04] especially the size we have, the 13, 14 acres for that parcel.

[2:37:08] If you're nice to do either or and then they come back

[2:37:12] and let's say the town homes are only brought in two million

[2:37:14] but then we had offers for seven million for apartments.

[2:37:17] Then I think it'd be a good thing for council decide

[2:37:19] like do we want the higher stuff for apartments

[2:37:21] because several million dollars make a huge difference.

[2:37:24] But I mean if they both come in we have someone

[2:37:26] that wants to buy it for four million for town homes

[2:37:28] or five million for apartments and it's like

[2:37:30] Okay, we'll just do town homes, or we're going to make an educated decision, but making the decision tonight now, may

[2:37:36] cost us.

[2:37:37] I don't know.

[2:37:38] Vice Mayor.

[2:37:40] We know.

[2:37:41] That's why we want to restrict it to town homes, because if we list it as apartments,

[2:37:45] too, we won't get that option for ownership.

[2:37:47] Because we've been going out to the general plan that we voted on earlier tonight, and having

[2:37:51] all of these, you know, comments and all of these surveys from the citizens.

[2:37:57] and the thing that came back that the citizens want to see more of in Oral Valley was ownership

[2:38:02] properties in the missing middle. They did not want to see necessarily majority, did not

[2:38:09] necessarily want to see apartments that were similar to the San Dorado more being built.

[2:38:14] They wanted to kind of get like a less expensive ownership option and in that middle.

[2:38:23] So we know that it's harder to achieve we get that but it's not just about money

[2:38:28] That's why it was quoted in the beginning these this is the citizens land

[2:38:33] So the goal is to try and achieve the housing in my view that the citizens would support

[2:38:40] Council member Nicholson my opinion

[2:38:44] If we sell it as town homes, which my opinion would be cheaper

[2:38:48] There's nothing restricting them from coming back to get it rezoned apartments

[2:38:52] were, are we did deed restricting it to town homes?

[2:38:56] Because if we want just town homes, then we sure

[2:38:58] as such, did deed restricting it to town homes.

[2:39:02] Mr. Spade, could you or buyer?

[2:39:13] So, well, when I was out on site and talking with you

[2:39:20] and Mr. Spade, to be, to be transparent,

[2:39:25] is primarily with Mr. Spade because you were with another council person.

[2:39:29] No, Fence.

[2:39:32] My understanding was that staff had reached out to a couple of different developers

[2:39:37] and that there was a high interest in town homes.

[2:39:43] Yes. Two national builders and one local builder were all interested in town homes

[2:39:50] in this location.

[2:39:50] And we have a local builder I believe, or maybe as a national, who built town homes in Oral Valley,

[2:39:57] and could have sold them all day long.

[2:40:01] I mean, they correct.

[2:40:03] There's some under construction right now.

[2:40:06] As well.

[2:40:08] Yes, remember Nicholson?

[2:40:09] I would say if that's a desire that you should probably put a deed restriction there to keep a town homes.

[2:40:13] If you want citizens to be able to buy a town homes, that's the way to do it in my opinion.

[2:40:18] Sorry, didn't hear?

[2:40:19] Do you use restrictions to land the town owns?

[2:40:22] So if I may, um, so

[2:40:26] do you restrictions are a little tough for government?

[2:40:30] Um, we can't legally enforce de-grist restrictions.

[2:40:33] This is a strange twist because we own the property.

[2:40:37] Uh, I would recommend that, um,

[2:40:40] not doing that as part of the zoning action.

[2:40:43] The zoning action, you can make it clear that apartments are not a permitted use.

[2:40:48] if that's if you wish to do it.

[2:40:50] So that would shouldn't be in there if you don't want

[2:40:52] apartments to be there.

[2:40:53] That's what I wish to do.

[2:40:54] So correct.

[2:40:56] As a future option as part of phase two discussion,

[2:41:00] if you want to go further to deed restrict as part of the sale,

[2:41:03] you can have that conversation.

[2:41:06] So yes.

[2:41:07] Councilmember Netton.

[2:41:07] My worries, we're going to sell them for town homes on the cheap,

[2:41:10] and they're just going to rezone to apartments.

[2:41:12] Councilmember Murphy.

[2:41:15] Thank you.

[2:41:15] The fact that we have three viable options for town homes makes me a lot more comfortable,

[2:41:21] so I'm going to be voting in favor of this.

[2:41:26] Vice Mayor.

[2:41:27] I just want to mention something about the heights, so in the area three, part of the

[2:41:34] bowl does go up in the back and elevation, like 17 to 24 feet, where the back of apartment

[2:41:42] complexes or town homes are. And so, with the current heights being proposed for apartments

[2:41:51] at 49 feet, I am just not comfortable with that because so if we were going to go forward

[2:41:57] with that, you know, I was going to talk about what we could do to address that. But if we go

[2:42:01] to town homes, then it just resolves that concern because then we're limiting it to two stories

[2:42:07] and then it doesn't have that same elevated view impact that the, you know, the 49 feet

[2:42:13] did in that area. So that's another consideration, because I think that in addition to the

[2:42:18] type of housing being more accepted by the community, I think the height is lower. And I think

[2:42:24] when we go forward with this property, we cannot sell it to someone who wants to sit on it. And this

[2:42:32] conversation that I have at the town manager, you know, we cannot sell the

[2:42:37] property to someone who is then going to just sit. The point is to sell the

[2:42:41] property so that it could be developed so people could purchase the homes so

[2:42:46] that a commercial can come in so the, you know, the utilities will be able to

[2:42:51] be covered to be able to bring the commercial in. So this is not a sale where we're

[2:42:55] going to sell it on the cheap and someone's just going to sit on it. There has to be

[2:42:59] some type of condition in the future sale issues

[2:43:03] that it has to be built within a certain number of years

[2:43:06] or that it has to be moved forward.

[2:43:07] We cannot just have it, I'm not saying we can do that tonight.

[2:43:12] But I'm saying this is the first step of this multi-step process.

[2:43:17] So as I would see it moving through this multi-step process,

[2:43:21] there are a few things that still need to be addressed

[2:43:23] that are really important.

[2:43:25] One is we need to be able to share the access

[2:43:28] and the utilities with the other owner of the property.

[2:43:31] Either someone buys all of it together,

[2:43:34] or it has to be pro-rated, those utilities and things.

[2:43:38] We're not covering the whole cost of the utilities

[2:43:40] and jacking up the value of someone else's land millions of dollars,

[2:43:44] because we've covered the whole cost of utilities.

[2:43:46] That has to be shared the way that it customarily is.

[2:43:50] And then, we have to look at the timing of the projects,

[2:43:53] and that has to be part of the sale.

[2:43:55] If there's any deeter restrictions, that has to be part of the sale, but I don't think those things can be dressed tonight.

[2:44:02] And similarly, may or mention the, you know, the police station utilizing some of the money for the police station.

[2:44:09] The history of this project goes back quite a while where, you know, at one point there were plans to put municipal complex or a police station on this property.

[2:44:22] Those probably would have required many millions of dollars on a property tax and all of those things, right?

[2:44:28] And so, part of the concept was by this less expensive property that we can rehab into a police station,

[2:44:37] but this property can still be part of the answer for doing that.

[2:44:40] By selling this property, it can still be part of it.

[2:44:44] We may not be able to restrict that tonight, you know,

[2:44:47] But moving forward, those are all things to be looking at and addressing.

[2:44:52] Utilities, easements, timing, earmarking of the funding,

[2:44:56] Deet restrictions, all those have to be done in future.

[2:45:04] Councilmember Nicholson? I don't think they'll sit on a long time, because the rezoning will be worth a lot of money, so it'll be very expensive just to hold, so when it does get sold, someone probably will slightly would build a couple years ago.

[2:45:17] Well, authorities own, so there's no rezoning.

[2:45:21] Okay. Councilmember Robb?

[2:45:24] Is the intent, if they go with a standard commercial to leave it at 49 feet?

[2:45:35] Oh.

[2:45:35] You only mentioned that the height is going to be reduced if they went with a linear.

[2:45:39] So that's what I was questioning.

[2:45:45] Mayor, Council Member Rob, so actually after we heard some feedback during our site visits, we did.

[2:45:51] Oh, sorry.

[2:45:52] Can I have my backup slides?

[2:45:54] Please.

[2:45:56] We did put together some conditions that we thought might be of use.

[2:46:01] So yep, thank you.

[2:46:04] So as you said, Vice Mayor, the second condition here may be moot if it's going to be limited to town homes.

[2:46:12] But the first one was to just limit commercial in either concept in area 2b to 30 feet.

[2:46:20] So that obviously addresses what the mayor was trying to do with linear commercial.

[2:46:24] I don't know if that was your intent per se, but something to consider.

[2:46:29] And then obviously the third one might be moot if it's town homes as well.

[2:46:32] So

[2:46:35] I'm happy to amend the motion, I forget now who's second.

[2:46:40] I think you did Councilmember Green to building heights in area 2B should be limited

[2:46:45] to 30 feet, inclusive of architectural features, is that you would not second it?

[2:46:54] I will.

[2:46:54] Vice Mayor.

[2:46:56] Great comment.

[2:46:57] When maybe we should limit the townhomes to 30 feet because otherwise they could be

[2:47:04] 39, right? Because they could be too story with 10 feet for architectural features.

[2:47:10] So like if Mayor's limiting, if the things is limited to two stories, should we actually

[2:47:16] put the feet in there if the intention is that they'd be 30 feet more consistent with

[2:47:21] San Dorado, or what would two stories be limited to, the way it's written?

[2:47:28] Mayor Vice Mayor, the way it's written in this condition or the way, now the way I

[2:47:33] So the way I stated it was further condition that the area 3B restricted to 1 or 2 story

[2:47:39] town homes.

[2:47:42] So, I mean, two story would be effectively 30 feet and one story would be, yeah, 24 typically,

[2:47:51] is kind of what you see.

[2:47:53] Okay, but is that that's not an inclusive of architecture, right?

[2:47:58] No.

[2:48:00] You think maybe we could limit that to 30 feet?

[2:48:04] Yeah, inclusive, would that be a friendly amendment?

[2:48:10] Yeah, it's two stories.

[2:48:11] It's just staying without the ten foot.

[2:48:14] So they're going in at the marketplace.

[2:48:18] Their 30 feet are correct.

[2:48:20] I don't want to be mistaken.

[2:48:21] The two stories are 30 feet.

[2:48:24] The Ross Rolney, those were limited to 30 feet.

[2:48:27] They were two stories.

[2:48:28] Right, 28.

[2:48:29] I think actually.

[2:48:30] So I think 30 would be fine.

[2:48:32] Okay, I just want to make sure that it's viable.

[2:48:37] Okay, so that's my first friendly amendment.

[2:48:39] Is that okay?

[2:48:41] And if I may, Mayor, just want to make sure that I know your motion included,

[2:48:46] removing the illustration for apartments, but also to provide text that apartments are not permitted.

[2:48:54] I think that's important as well.

[2:48:56] Okay.

[2:48:56] I didn't include that.

[2:49:02] And then the reason that I was thinking the standard commercial was okay higher is because

[2:49:09] it's just so far back and it's tucked in.

[2:49:12] But I don't know if other people fill that way but I kind of felt like if we had the opportunity

[2:49:16] to get a good commercial property and it's just compared to the strip mall concept is closer

[2:49:24] up.

[2:49:24] It is further back than this paneer bread area.

[2:49:31] But then the second that standard one is so far back.

[2:49:35] I kind of felt like I was okay with a little more height

[2:49:39] there, but that was me personally.

[2:49:41] I don't want a big building, but it's just so far back.

[2:49:43] Well, there's no way it would block the mountain

[2:49:45] and it is from Oracle.

[2:49:46] I think what I'm hearing, there's consensus for the 30 feet

[2:49:52] at what I read for the linear commercial,

[2:49:57] but for the other option as it's been proposed.

[2:50:02] And so I'm not, I'm acknowledging

[2:50:04] can some of a rob that you may have a different.

[2:50:11] OK, so you had a friendly amendment to add?

[2:50:15] So can I make a, maybe it would be cleaner

[2:50:19] if I made a substitute motion, would that be OK?

[2:50:21] That's fine.

[2:50:22] OK, can I see that?

[2:50:26] All right, I move to approve ordinance number O26-07, the proposed planned area development amendment included as attachment to based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the your voice our future general plan and all applicable zoning code requirements subject to the further condition that area three.

[2:50:47] be restricted to one or two story town homes not to exceed 30 feet inclusive height to sell for

[2:50:55] ownership and that there be texts that states that apartments are not allowed in that area.

[2:51:02] If area two be becomes linear commercial the height should be limited to 30 feet inclusive

[2:51:07] of architectural features consistent with existing retail.

[2:51:29] All right.

[2:51:45] Second.

[2:51:45] All right, thank you.

[2:51:48] Vote on the substitute.

[2:51:57] Councilmember Nicholson.

[2:51:59] I was wondering if I complicated by a friendly

[2:52:02] amendment to make sure we've list it for

[2:52:04] cell versus an auction.

[2:52:07] And

[2:52:09] that's what can't be done.

[2:52:13] It's required to go out to bid because of the value.

[2:52:16] So it will be going out to bid and then we can talk about

[2:52:20] the restrictions to be put in the bid packet.

[2:52:22] Not in the public body.

[2:52:25] The classical clarifying motion was the condition to limit linear.

[2:52:30] Senator commercial concept to 30 feet inclusive of architectural features or not, I'd mention.

[2:52:35] Yes, I'm positive of our context.

[2:52:37] And that's similar to the existing development.

[2:52:40] Yes.

[2:52:41] You said those were 24 feet and the CVS was 30.

[2:52:45] So, I just wanted to make sure I caught it correctly.

[2:52:49] So, Mr. Drake, this vote is for the substitute motion, correct?

[2:52:55] Correct.

[2:52:56] All right. All right. All right. All right.

[2:52:57] I, any opposed name, they, okay, the eyes have it for the two, then this vote is for

[2:53:09] the same motion. Is it Mr. Zureka?

[2:53:14] Yeah, because the substitute motion becomes the main motion.

[2:53:18] The substitute motion was voted to be the main motion, correct? Okay, so now you can vote

[2:53:23] on that. I just want to make sure the clerks are clear on the language of the motion.

[2:53:26] Okay.

[2:53:30] So all in favors. Okay. I can remember pardon me point of order. I would like to have

[2:53:36] you repeat what we're voting on if you don't mind. And I think that's a good idea and that's

[2:53:41] why I was just consult with the clerk. So give him a moment. I just want to make sure he's clear

[2:53:46] on the language.

[2:53:52] Why don't you read it by smayer?

[2:53:56] I mean, I kind of said it as part of it as I went.

[2:53:58] I'll try to repeat it.

[2:54:00] That's fine.

[2:54:01] He's looking for lunch, you go ahead and repeat it.

[2:54:05] I moved to approve ordinance number 026-07, the proposed planned area development amendment

[2:54:11] included as attachment to based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the

[2:54:16] your voice, our future general plan, and all applicable zoning code requirements.

[2:54:21] Subject to the further condition that area three be restricted to one or two story town homes

[2:54:27] not to exceed 30 feet inclusive of architecture to sell for ownership.

[2:54:32] There shall be texts that states that apartments are not allowed in Area 3.

[2:54:36] If Area 2 becomes linear, commercial, the height shall be limited to 30 feet inclusive of architectural features consistent with existing retail.

[2:54:48] It's close. I think, well, if I'll do respect.

[2:54:51] If you could separate out the, it's kind of a run on sense. If you could separate out the residential to the commercial that would probably be helpful.

[2:55:01] Okay, I think it's two paragraphs, but I just kind of set it all together.

[2:55:11] They're good.

[2:55:12] You want me to?

[2:55:14] By indicating area 2B, that's commercial.

[2:55:19] Area 3, that indicates residential.

[2:55:24] And you have the specific height restrictions and.

[2:55:28] Yes.

[2:55:32] Okay, well we just want to make sure the customer

[2:55:34] never knuckles in looks like you've got

[2:55:36] a heartburn there.

[2:55:37] I do have heartburn.

[2:55:38] My opinion is it's probably going to get

[2:55:40] rezoning the future at some point in time

[2:55:41] someone's going to buy it for the cheaper

[2:55:43] time homes.

[2:55:44] If it's 250 units, if you value my 300,000

[2:55:46] piece, that'd be $75 million just for that

[2:55:49] apartment portion to be about a $75 million

[2:55:52] valuation in the land.

[2:55:53] My real big concern is we're going to do it.

[2:55:57] Someone's going to fit on it in an auction

[2:55:59] government auction that's not really well advertised for cheap and they're going to go in and they're

[2:56:04] going to rezone it for apartments on the road and not all we could do about it and taxpayers

[2:56:08] are going to lose out of no need of all. So that's why I'm not for it.

[2:56:15] Okay, thank you.

[2:56:17] Can't remember Nicholson, Vice Mayor. Well, I mean, there is something the town could do about it.

[2:56:24] Not rezone it. Not this evening. Not tonight, but I mean, I mean, moving forward if that's something

[2:56:30] this citizens carry out. You've raised some important concerns that will do our best to, yeah,

[2:56:37] as we know it's not a perfect world.

[2:56:54] Could, could I have the clerk read it back instead of? Okay, Mr. Stanley.

[2:56:58] Can you see it?

[2:57:12] Okay, the motion on the floor is by Vice Mayor Barrett to move to approve

[2:57:16] ordinance number 026-070. The proposed plant area development amendment included as a

[2:57:23] attachment to a attachment based on a finding that the request is in compliance with the

[2:57:29] your voice or future general plan and all the applicable zone encoder requirements subject

[2:57:35] to the further condition that area 3 be restricted to one or two story town homes not to exceed

[2:57:41] 30 feet inclusive of architecture

[2:57:47] to sell for ownership. There shall be text that state that

[2:57:54] apartments are not allowed in area three. If area two becomes linear commercial, the height

[2:57:59] shall be limited to 30 feet inclusive of the architectural features consistent with existing

[2:58:06] in the existing region, existing retail.

[2:58:11] Existing retail excuse me, and that's the complete motion.

[2:58:18] Okay,

[2:58:20] all in favour, say aye.

[2:58:22] Aye.

[2:58:23] Any opposed, nay?

[2:58:26] The eyes have it, five to one.

[2:58:29] Thank you, Mr. Space.

[2:58:30] Thank you, Mr. Bellar.

[2:58:34] Item three, Mr. Standish.

[2:58:42] Discussion of possible action to use the $150,000, not yet spent from this year's of a still-so-trails nature preserve

[2:58:49] $200,000 a lot meant for irrigation and direction regarding ADA paths in the pond area

[2:58:58] This item was requested by Councilmember Rob and Councilmember Murphy

[2:59:02] Councilmember Rob you have the floor.

[2:59:06] Thank you. I'm gonna start by putting the motion out there and then we can discuss it

[2:59:09] I move that the unspent approximately 150,000 from the Vistosa trails $200,000 for this year,

[2:59:18] plus $50,000 from next year's 200,000,

[2:59:22] be used for the plant and turf irrigation in the pond area,

[2:59:28] And utilize the 136,210 dollar Arizona State Parks grant for 88 trails in the pond area to be done in conjunction with the pond restoration.

[2:59:45] But before this was seconded, so I can't remember Rob, I, and because of partly the

[2:59:51] I'll have to discussion the previous item, I neglected to, I've got three blue cards for this item.

[3:00:00] And so I'm going to invite these folks up. I'm going to ask you to repeat that in a moment.

[3:00:06] So we have, when I stay here name, if you come up to the podium, stay here name, whether or not you are a resident of Oral Valley, gal material.

[3:00:21] Thank you. My name is gal material. I have been an Oral Valley resident for 10 years, and I am President of Preserve Estosa, so good evening, Mayor Windfield, by Mayor Barrett and council members and staff. I'll be brief tonight.

[3:00:35] Tonight, I'm here to advocate for the installation of the entire irrigation system for the

[3:00:40] preserve pond area now, rather than breaking it out into several projects for a couple of

[3:00:45] reasons.

[3:00:47] First, getting it all done at once would be a smart approach because it means tearing up the

[3:00:51] ground, moving equipment only once, and would manage costs most likely more efficiently because

[3:00:56] the longer we weigh the more expensive it's going to get.

[3:00:59] Second, our members and our community are so excited to see this pond project moving forward,

[3:01:04] and through many conversations we've had amongst ourselves and with our members in our community.

[3:01:09] We know that many of them are eager to help re-vegetate that area.

[3:01:16] And we do believe if we can get that irrigation system done,

[3:01:20] we could do a fundraiser and sort of adopt a cactus kind of thing and get people to contribute to buy plants and trees and benches and things that would help really make that area look good.

[3:01:31] And if we can get this moving, we do believe that we could start that campaign this coming fall.

[3:01:37] So, we'd like to see this move forward.

[3:01:40] We'd like to start to see some changes there, and we appreciate your support.

[3:01:44] Thank you.

[3:01:44] Rosa Daily.

[3:01:55] I'm Rosa Daily, or a belly resident still.

[3:01:58] Good evening, everybody.

[3:02:00] I want to echo what Gale said.

[3:02:02] I think that it would be smart to do the foundational irrigation.

[3:02:08] now while we're doing the pond. For several reasons not the least of which it's part of the

[3:02:15] engineering of the pond. I don't want to get into that any further. I think we all know why

[3:02:21] that's important. But also once that's done, as Gail said, I'll donate the first five trees. I mean,

[3:02:29] I would like to be able to get the community involved in finishing that area because we have a

[3:02:35] Memorial area off to one side if we finish that area then we can come in at another time and do

[3:02:42] the trails because that's separate and it doesn't involve plumbing and water and turnover of water.

[3:02:50] So I think it would be really smart to do this strategically and to move funds in a way that we could

[3:02:56] do the irrigation system now while we're putting in the pond so that as Gail said then we can start

[3:03:03] working on getting the remaining items donated

[3:03:06] if we can get a list and an itemized in, you know,

[3:03:10] in-ground price for each item, then I'm pretty sure

[3:03:14] we can get a lot of community involvement.

[3:03:17] So that's my comments on this.

[3:03:19] Thank you.

[3:03:21] Thank you.

[3:03:22] Again, my apologies, Council Member Rob,

[3:03:24] for my oversight with those blue cards.

[3:03:26] If you could restate your motion, please.

[3:03:29] Absolutely.

[3:03:30] No problem.

[3:03:32] I'm moved that the unspent approximately $150,000 from the StoCetrails Nature Preserve

[3:03:37] $200,000 for this year, plus $50,000 from next year's $200,000.

[3:03:43] Be used for the plant and turf irrigation systems in the pond area, and to utilize the $136,2010

[3:03:53] Arizona State Park's grant for the ADA trails in the pond area, both to be done in conjunction with the pond restoration.

[3:04:03] Second.

[3:04:04] Seconded by Councilmember Murphy discussion.

[3:04:08] Councilmember Murphy.

[3:04:09] Yeah, the reason that I seconded this was because, you know, this is in our first rodeo with the irrigation.

[3:04:16] We know that the cost just keeps going up.

[3:04:18] So let's just get it done.

[3:04:20] And then also in addition, I don't think it's lasted anyone.

[3:04:24] And I really care about ADA.

[3:04:25] And so I love the fact that that's incorporated in this.

[3:04:29] And we wanted to be a place where everybody can go and utilize it.

[3:04:32] And also I did clarify just for everyone out there

[3:04:35] that's listening that this is reclaimed water that's being used

[3:04:38] for the irrigation.

[3:04:43] Can't remember right.

[3:04:45] I can talk about, I actually think our residents very clearly

[3:04:49] stated most of the arguments that I wanted to make

[3:04:51] doing it now and in conjunction with the current or the pond restoration is going to be cost effective

[3:04:58] and much better plan I believe. Councilmember Neckleson.

[3:05:03] That is really a grub. Thanks.

[3:05:07] Any more discussion?

[3:05:10] Vice Mayor.

[3:05:11] So a question. So when your motion says plant and turf irrigation does that include putting in the

[3:05:22] 100,000, 150 from this year and 50 from next year's to

[3:05:26] it. I am not 100% certain but I believe that is the case.

[3:05:33] Can I ask Ms. Eftene? Would we be able to just get the

[3:05:38] irrigation or could we do the irrigation and the patch of turf?

[3:05:45] May or vice mayor that is not enough to do the irrigation and the turf.

[3:05:48] Not according to the estimates we received from the

[3:05:52] consultant earlier this year.

[3:05:54] But it's enough to do the irrigation so we could get it ready to go for those.

[3:06:01] Yes, according to our estimates that we received earlier this year on known weather prices will fluctuate.

[3:06:10] Thanks.

[3:06:11] You're welcome.

[3:06:13] Do we know the timeline yet for the installation for the on this will begin construction?

[3:06:19] Or is that still?

[3:06:20] We had a we had a pre-con meeting a pre-construction meeting and they're working right now on the schedule for us, so we should get that soon

[3:06:27] Thank you

[3:06:30] Any more discussion?

[3:06:34] All in favor say I I

[3:06:35] On the opposed nay the eyes have it six zero

[3:06:39] Future agenda items hearing none. I moved to adjourn second. I'll all in favor say I I

[3:06:49] Good night everyone, 9.25.

May 06, 2026 Town Council Regular and Study Session

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