[0:00] So, we're recording cuz the video is not working Jared, so

[0:03] then we'll put the audio on the YouTube.

[0:08] Um call to order at 6 40. >> 5:38.

[0:15] » Is that correct? >> 5:38.

[0:18] » Okay, 5:38 sounds good, too.

[0:23] » Roll call. Mayor Allen.

[0:26] » Here. >> Daniel.

[0:27] » Here. >> Cathy Gable is

[0:30] » is absent. >> Jared.

[0:32] » Here. >> Carl.

[0:34] » Here. >> And Jamie

[0:35] » is absent. >> And I'm in attendance as well.

[0:38] » All right, Kurt.

[0:41] I make a motion we approve the agenda.

[0:45] » Second.

[0:49] » I don't think we Is there anything to add, walk-on items? Speak up.

[0:53] All in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye.

[0:56] » Aye. >> Approved.

[1:00] Regular meeting minutes of July 28th. Are in the packet.

[1:06] Um

[1:09] I didn't see anything was Look forward to the update on the grant.

[1:13] I make a motion we approve the July 28th, 2026 meeting minutes.

[1:18] » Second.

[1:24] » No discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

[1:27] » Aye. >> Aye.

[1:28] » Approved. No public hearings.

[1:32] Old business, small town grant. >> Old business, just to let everybody know

[1:36] I did uh write a grant working with Cain and

[1:41] Melissa uh Ryland and then you can see the list

[1:44] of people here. Um and they're all Mary Reisedorpher,

[1:48] Joy Burtsinger, and Rosemary Van Houten uh to write a grant for new park

[1:54] benches. Uh they nine new park benches and is a Smith

[1:58] Small Town Grant. Was submitted August 19th, and hopefully we'll find out in

[2:04] mid-September if we get that or not. This is a 25%

[2:08] matching, so if we do get it, the city would be responsible for 25%, which was

[2:13] okay through everybody. >> Yeah.

[2:15] And the my letters went in with the grant application.

[2:19] » Yep, and we got two two letters of support.

[2:22] » Right. >> And we got those also.

[2:25] » Joy was asking, I thought I Or yeah, Joy was asking just to make

[2:29] sure. >> Is this the Smith Grant that was

[2:31] directed at like conclusion and >> Okay, perfect.

[2:36] » Yep.

[2:40] » Perfect. >> So, that's the Small Town Grant. Move on

[2:43] to EDA, so this is our development agreement

[2:47] park Outlaw A. So, one thing that's been added in your packet, you can see

[2:52] um landscape-wise, we have This is the

[2:57] amount that we would pay Stantec to get those get that parcel land ready

[3:04] to sell into lots. So, they divided it into tasks that they

[3:08] would have to go through. First, I've been in contact with Joe

[3:11] uh about it, and the first thing that we would do is consult with them to and you

[3:16] can see number one, research past DNR permit and city code compliance.

[3:20] That's going to cost roughly $4,000. And just a reminder, this money would be

[3:25] paid back to the city upon the sale of our first parcel of land.

[3:30] » The third >> This is legal. I contacted Mike Bubany.

[3:33] Um this is he he's fine with that. Um they've done other cities before, and

[3:38] he said if the city council has any questions to contact him on on that

[3:42] information. >> In some cases, Joe will put a plus or

[3:46] minus. Did he indicate anything like that or

[3:49] » Yeah. So, I I believe our first step, and I

[3:53] don't know if we need a motion to do this to ask the council to pay this

[3:57] $3,977 because we don't have a budget ourself

[4:00] uh to move on with this because I know the council okayed moving forward with

[4:06] is to have the research have them research the

[4:09] DNR city code compliance. Would that be the first thing step we want to do?

[4:14] » Yeah, so I I'll make a motion that we would recommend the council to pay the

[4:20] the $3,977

[4:24] um to do the DNR or at very minimum

[4:28] recommend that we budget for it for next year.

[4:31] » Okay. >> Like cuz we're having the budget cut

[4:35] workshops right now, too, so >> I'll write a memo that I'll send to the

[4:40] council as well. Okay, so Dan made a motion.

[4:43] » I'll second it.

[4:48] » Okay. And then you need a vote.

[5:14] Ron, do you start the vote? >> Um any other comments or discussion?

[5:22] Yeah, doing this first step is going to tell us

[5:24] whether we can do this or we look at a park.

[5:28] » Right. And I think that's the big thing is council just needs to be aware that

[5:31] this could money could be not coming back.

[5:34] » Right. >> This is

[5:36] So, when we make that motion on council, I think we just have to make it

[5:41] abundantly clear that this could if it fails, then this money comes from the

[5:46] city.

[5:49] » There's risk, but at the same time the risk gives us direction, too.

[5:53] It's not like it's going to be a void. It's going to get tell us one thing or

[5:55] the other, so. >> Yeah.

[5:58] » Question, why is the DNR involved up on a piece of property?

[6:03] » What's that? >> Good question.

[6:04] » Why is it a question? You're You're on the high ground or

[6:07] or an open It's uh

[6:11] » Is it close to the river? >> What's that?

[6:13] » Is it close to the river up there? >> It's not even close.

[6:17] It's not even close to the river. >> Okay.

[6:20] » It's >> It's within a thousand feet.

[6:22] » Is that Is that why? >> Yeah.

[6:25] » Cuz it's this property here. No.

[6:28] Yeah. Uh

[6:32] No. It's this property.

[6:35] It's this property here, so I guess it could be a thousand feet from the

[6:39] » There's a scale on the left there on the right.

[6:41] » Aren't there houses between that lot and the river?

[6:45] » Yeah, two sets of houses. >> So that's my question. If you got houses

[6:49] already there the DNR

[6:53] was planning to do this, what

[6:57] » It's a good question. >> I think Joe's going to find out.

[7:00] So we're going to pay Joe $4,000 to ask a question?

[7:03] I I'm just I mean I'm asking a question. So we're paying $4,000 to ask a

[7:07] question? >> No. This would be the I think that

[7:09] covers the environmental study of this. >> Well

[7:13] So but my question is is the country asked the question is why if this lot's

[7:17] here what do we even have to do this? >> Yeah, I can definitely ask.

[7:21] » And the answer be yes or no and then >> Yeah.

[7:24] » Before you spend the money, but if you approve the money then someone will say

[7:27] ahead said all the money's already approved, so I'll pay the money.

[7:29] » So why do we need DNR? >> I I think that's a very valid question

[7:34] with two sets of houses pretty much between

[7:38] everything. The The clo And I guess I don't know where

[7:42] the river starts whether it starts at the

[7:46] flood plain or if it starts at the >> Well, if

[7:49] if it would be those houses would be in the flood plain.

[7:53] » Well, they they could have >> And they would never allowed you to put

[7:56] a a a drain field in the flood plain.

[8:01] Number two is a drain field would never been allowed to be put in the flood

[8:04] plain.

[8:07] » And I think part of that discussion is the drain field

[8:09] you know, the size of the lots kind of I think it works in conjunction with the

[8:14] drain field the size of the lots that are around the drain field, too.

[8:17] » Well, I just I just a a question on my I just find that rather

[8:22] » It's 23 hours.

[8:27] » So so again again my question is if you would ask the question we don't need to

[8:30] do it then can we get get this money back?

[8:32] Or is it once you say oh, we're going to approve it

[8:35] uh 22 hours the whole I make a phone call and say do we have to do this the

[8:38] person says no. Is there a recourse in getting some

[8:42] money back? Uh in other words I

[8:46] » Is that that last column is that total hours?

[8:50] » Yeah. >> There has to be 23 hours to to take to

[8:53] research this? >> Mhm.

[8:56] » Yeah, and that might be a fee for the DNR, too. That might not be uh

[9:01] » So is it a flat rate no matter what is or if they get the job done in 4 hours

[9:06] would be paid four times >> uh

[9:10] whatever their hourly rate is for that. >> Yeah.

[9:13] » So I was going to suggest in the motion that we just say up to 3,977.

[9:19] » Up to >> Yeah, I'll accept that.

[9:21] » Because it may come in blue lower hours, too, but at least

[9:24] to answer your guys' questions, yeah. >> Yeah.

[9:27] » Yeah, I think >> make that would make sense to me that if

[9:29] there was less money that they don't get the whole contract.

[9:32] » And these are estimates as well, so sure.

[9:36] » The corner lot the corner of this lot to the

[9:41] river is 413 ft. So it's within the 1,000 ft, but it's that's like one

[9:47] corner of

[9:51] of it to the closest point of the river.

[9:58] » So at least some of those would be there.

[10:00] » That uh We pay up to up to that amount, correct?

[10:04] » Mhm. >> Okay.

[10:05] » So essentially it it seems like and I missed last meeting as well. Um but

[10:11] the wording of this uh per main and design to determine how

[10:16] outlet A was incorporated in the original So So it's like a zoning

[10:21] question kind of, right? >> Mhm.

[10:23] » Was there any discussion around that last time? Or I mean, here we are.

[10:28] » We I thought we already had him evaluate this and tell us that

[10:33] yes, we can move forward with it. >> Yeah, we did with

[10:36] » need the DNR >> legally with um

[10:39] Mike Flaherty. >> Okay.

[10:41] » So from legal standpoint, because the question was is it parkland?

[10:45] And so he did he did that for quite a while to get that information.

[10:50] And because we got the okay from Mike Flaherty, now I'm moving into the

[10:55] engineering side of it. And that's where that comes from.

[11:00] But no he's agreed. So he's to join.

[11:02] » those are questions that if you want to ask Joe those questions out of the gate,

[11:07] we can still move forward with the motion and if he wants to address those

[11:12] to council with the motion, then I think that's

[11:15] reasonable. >> At the council meeting?

[11:16] » At the council meeting. >> Okay, great.

[11:17] » Okay. >> Yep.

[11:20] » I think he can have some time to prepare.

[11:24] » So I'll respond to that. >> I'll make a note to just touch base with

[11:27] Joe to so he's prepared to discuss it. >> Yeah, I'll send him an email with the

[11:31] questions tomorrow. >> Okay.

[11:35] All right, all if there's no other discussion, all in favor of signifying

[11:38] by saying aye. >> Aye.

[11:39] » Aye. >> It's approved.

[11:44] » All right, great. I'll get that in and I'll I will

[11:49] when I hear something back, I will BCC everybody on an email.

[11:53] If that's all right.

[11:56] » All right, moving on to new business now.

[11:58] This is something that I don't know if you want to sit talk about this.

[12:02] So, I've been looking at the comprehensive plan because in our last

[12:06] meeting we kind of made a point say what if we look at the comprehensive

[12:09] plan and update it rather than get a new comprehensive

[12:12] plan. I believe that was what we requested.

[12:15] So, I started update it

[12:19] and I used information

[12:22] I got from the fact that now the city has sanitary sewer. But, I just did the

[12:28] first part. You know, so I did

[12:32] um I did a community profile so you can see

[12:35] the introduction. You can see under here on the in the packet 1.0 community

[12:40] profile. 1.1 introduction just tells about the growth of

[12:45] uh Orinoco. So, there's not a lot there that needed to be changed.

[12:50] I can change that as we go. Early history obviously we're not going to

[12:53] change. And then we got into community profile,

[12:56] the city government, demographic characteristics, population,

[13:00] households, natural environment, economic

[13:04] development, and services and utilities. So, I started working on community

[13:10] profiles, the population since basically uh 2000.

[13:16] » Right. >> So, the information you're going to see

[13:18] here is going to be population, households, natural environment,

[13:25] economic development, and most of that's going to be dealing

[13:30] with the implementation of the sanitary sewer.

[13:34] Services and utilities and then finally and that's it.

[13:40] So what I think I don't know how you want to do this

[13:43] Ryland but if we kind of send this home as like if

[13:46] you take a look at it I don't know if you want to take the

[13:50] time in EDA meeting to revise this here. You take it, look at it and then we can

[13:55] come back at our next meeting and if you have any changes that you

[13:59] feel could should go into it from what I have written.

[14:05] » So the first 1.0

[14:09] 1.2, 1.3 >> Yeah, it goes all the way to

[14:13] » would stay the same. >> Yep.

[14:15] » Starting at 1.4. >> That's what you

[14:18] » Bottom of the second to the last page >> Yes.

[14:21] » is where we start with the current. I thought it was I read it this weekend. I

[14:24] thought it was very well done. I >> 1.4 so you have population,

[14:29] households and it it follows the same so

[14:33] » Mhm. >> You know, you can take a look at 1.4

[14:39] 1.5, 1.6 and seven.

[14:43] It's a lot to look at.

[14:47] What and then what I'll do in the next meeting is I'll

[14:50] I'll look at the next section. I don't think I'll do as much. You know, I think

[14:54] it just needs to be a lot. I think it will be.

[14:56] 1.4 If I could do it again, I'd probably

[14:59] just do population. >> Do whatever you can I guess.

[15:03] » And so if I could have EDA kind of peruse what I've written and if

[15:07] you see something you want to add on there

[15:10] let me know and then when we we come to our next meeting, we'll talk about that

[15:14] and then I'll add some more and

[15:17] have a look at it. >> Right.

[15:18] » I know it's homework. Sorry. >> It's not homework anymore.

[15:21] » So let's take a look see. >> Yeah, I think that's why cuz

[15:25] I think Kathy and Jamie would be good to have them read it, too.

[15:28] » And I can send an email to remind people >> Just kind of stick a look see. If you

[15:31] don't see anything, it don't doesn't, you know, stand out, that's that's

[15:35] great. If you see something that stands out,

[15:41] » And this was pulled from the 2006 one that's online right here under P&Z.

[15:48] » And then we have >> So, really really important part is

[15:50] going to be the when it deals with ordinances.

[15:53] » Yeah. >> up though.

[15:55] » But ours is >> not putting every ordinance in because

[15:58] of certain things. >> I didn't realize the subdivision

[16:00] ordinances were written in 2004.

[16:05] It's in the old part of it. In 1.4

[16:08] .2 Um

[16:12] Where is that at?

[16:19] » So, it looks like the overall comprehensive plan on here is

[16:26] just just over 43 pages. So, are we looking at just taking a

[16:30] chunk at a time? >> Yeah.

[16:33] » Oh, that's that's that's >> Yeah, let's see.

[16:35] » No, no, I cuz I get so I got cross-eyed when they're in the

[16:40] some of the zoning and stuff. >> at dimensional demographic

[16:43] characteristics and you start looking at that, it's like,

[16:46] » Yeah.

[16:50] » Yeah, so if you could just read community profile what I wrote there,

[16:56] and then just kind of read through it. If you want to compare it to what's

[16:59] original is, that's in here as well. And anything that pops up to you as

[17:04] residents of Orland that'd be great. >> Okay.

[17:09] » Believe I have that. >> So,

[17:10] » Um >> Go ahead. Sorry.

[17:12] » Go ahead. Sure. >> Uh I think I pulled this up prior to the

[17:15] meeting, and I'm not sure if these maybe I need to pull it up on a computer but

[17:20] this looks like a hyperlink. I'm not sure the hyperlink had anything

[17:24] it didn't respond to my tap. >> Oh, it didn't?

[17:27] » I don't think so on my on my phone but I'll

[17:30] » I didn't >> I didn't even try it.

[17:38] » Okay. >> Just wanted to let you know I'll check

[17:40] that. >> Yeah.

[17:42] » I'll verify and

[17:45] » So they need

[17:50] » If that's a hyperlink then just make sure it goes where it's

[17:54] wanting to go. >> Mhm.

[17:57] Okay.

[18:02] » The one under the 1.3 section city government

[18:06] um and that's

[18:08] really the second big paragraph but development in the community is

[18:12] currently guided by comprehensive zoning ordinance adopted 1989.

[18:18] The first zoning ordinance was adopted 1976

[18:22] and updated in 1986 to guide development.

[18:26] In 1994, city adopted a subdivision ordinance to

[18:30] place constraints on new subdivision in the city and interim residential

[18:33] ordinance in 2001.

[18:38] I thought that was kind of interesting how this all

[18:41] developed. >> Yeah.

[18:42] It is.

[18:45] And the population's changing over the years but

[18:49] since you put it in it's going to change again.

[18:53] I think can you say Wylie or one of the fastest growing communities in the

[18:57] state? >> It was one of the top 10.

[19:01] » Which is pretty impressive because there's not

[19:02] » 17. 17, yeah.

[19:08] I can't find that. I may have I a copy of that article, too.

[19:21] » Yeah, so I will contact Joe. And then once I hear back from him, I

[19:25] will let everybody on the EDA know. And then once I get that

[19:30] squared away, I'll write a memo for When is the next

[19:34] council meeting? >> Oh, that's a good question because

[19:38] I may be on vacation.

[19:41] Leave on the September 26th.

[19:46] Or >> Where you going?

[19:48] » Uh it's a river cruise on the Danube River from Budapest to Passau.

[19:53] » Yeah. >> Eight days, so yeah.

[19:55] » Just like the Vikings. >> What's that?

[19:57] » Just like the Vikings. >> Vikings, yeah.

[19:59] » Or >> So it's the 22nd, so

[20:01] I'll We leave on that Saturday, the 26th, so

[20:05] should be good.

[20:09] I'll be back October 4th, Sunday night.

[20:25] » All right, so we'll read through this section. Uh

[20:30] Read through it. Anything sticks sticks out to you that

[20:34] you want to tell me to add? You know, just take a little note and bring it

[20:37] with you to the next meeting. Add it in there.

[20:42] » I like the references, too. >> Yeah, it's good to have references.

[20:46] » Really appreciate you taking that on, too.

[20:48] » Yeah, that's no problem. It's interesting to do. Well, I'm not going

[20:51] to lie, some of it's interesting.

[20:54] Some of it is not, but that's all right.

[20:59] I'll get the hyperlinks going. >> You know your natural environment in

[21:02] there? >> It was my understanding to the Orinoco.

[21:06] » So here. Here, the oral local park is working out

[21:11] with DNR to write access to the river. I thought that

[21:15] right down between the body shop and up here at the ferry head

[21:19] public access to the river right here.

[21:25] » Is that the original or is this the one that was rewritten?

[21:28] » Oh, no, they're written at 1.5. You missed that or what you what you got

[21:32] written here is that he's working with DNR to provide proof

[21:38] to prove access. >> Okay.

[21:41] » To to prove it should be approved. I thought that access was already there.

[21:46] » We have write it

[21:48] write it on there and bring it with you. >> Okay.

[21:52] Cuz someone stopped on Saturday where they want to go

[21:55] canoeing and they want to know about Boulder Dam.

[21:58] And I thought the guy that does the lights

[22:00] whatever at Boulder Dam, I knew that. And he rents canoes.

[22:05] And I said if it shows there it's that access

[22:08] just down by that corner building just down there there is a

[22:12] roadway there that DNR has access to to the river right there to my

[22:15] understanding correct. >> Right, yeah.

[22:17] » That's what I told him. I said, "Why don't you see the guy down there? I

[22:19] think he rents canoes." >> Yeah. But he's closed now because of low

[22:22] water. >> Okay, well, that that might be but I

[22:25] just when they asked me about Boulder Dam, I said, "Power Dam?" He said, "No,

[22:28] Boulder Dam." Well, I said, "Boulder Dam would be

[22:30] » Reno, yeah, yeah. >> would be the guy down there then if

[22:33] that's where you're going. Finally, he drove down there so you ask

[22:36] him cuz that's where But I do know there is a supposed to be a public access

[22:40] there for that.

[22:44] » Okay. Yeah, stuff like that.

[22:47] » Okay. >> Be great.

[22:53] And you said that this is this the what's in here is what you

[22:57] » modified. >> Yeah.

[22:59] » Perfect. So it starts off with the original.

[23:03] It's under community profile. That's all Basically copied and pasted from the

[23:09] comprehensive plan. And the community profile starting at

[23:13] 1.4 has been pulled as what you wrote data from.

[23:16] » So, just getting back to the sentence that Jenner was talking about,

[23:19] the Iron Knot Park Committee is working with DNR

[23:23] to prove Is that to provide access?

[23:27] And there is.

[23:32] So, is it >> The public has access to the DNR.

[23:36] » That's where you started or in the community

[23:38] » at 1.4. So, demographic characteristics, yep.

[23:41] » 1 >> 1.41 talks about the population.

[23:44] » Yep. >> Yep. Cool.

[23:48] » And it says they're updated starting at 1.4.

[23:54] » Perfect. >> Okay.

[23:56] » I'll take a look-see. I'm not going to hurt my feelings.

[24:00] » Something real wrong, that's for sure.

[24:03] » So, if I read the population statistics again,

[24:06] » Over 2,000 now, huh? All right.

[24:10] » We've been approaching it for a while, I think.

[24:12] » That's great.

[24:21] » That's an estimate because it's We haven't done consensus, but it's a

[24:24] estimate based on >> Yeah.

[24:29] » Somebody's estimate.

[24:37] » Well, are you wanting us to take this home and read it and get back

[24:43] to you, I guess? >> Yeah. Just give it a scan through,

[24:46] something points out. The next meeting, what I'll What I'll do

[24:49] is we'll We'll look at it, just review it very briefly.

[24:52] » What needs to be added, take out what needs to be taken out.

[24:55] » And then I'll put another section out there for you to look at for the next

[24:59] month. Perfect. So, we're not taking time out of the meeting to appreciate

[25:03] that. Thank you.

[25:06] We'll get through it. We'll all become knowledgeable of it.

[25:11] So, if they ask you a question, you're like, "No, actually that's wrong. I read

[25:13] the comprehensive plan." Through 1.7, okay.

[25:18] Thanks. Yes, so 1.4 through 1.7.

[25:26] Well, thanks Kurt for kicking this off. We'll see how it goes and

[25:29] We'll see if and if if there's a lot that needs to be added, maybe it's

[25:33] something we say you need to get done, but not An interesting stat, and I'll

[25:37] I'll mark it down and bring it next time. I don't think I see it in here and

[25:40] I'm not sure if you have access to it, but especially with the growing concern

[25:44] over rental properties in Rochester, as a percentage, I would gather the

[25:49] percentage is very low. You know, that could be an interesting stat if we're

[25:53] able to get it.

[25:56] Owner-occupied versus you know, like investment or whatever

[26:00] the terms might be that would be searchable

[26:04] and findable. There's one Non-homestead tax status

[26:07] that it would would be something we probably could find. Lake Shady is very

[26:12] is a big one, too. It should be very low. Yeah, or no cuz

[26:18] like you said. Yeah. I'm only aware of two rental properties.

[26:24] One is on Minnesota Avenue. It's down south of the Dollar General Store.

[26:30] And the other one is over on the corner of First Street Northwest and Lake Shady

[26:34] Avenue. You get a little

[26:37] curve and off to the right, there's two buildings and those are rental

[26:40] properties.

[26:46] There was another one just short of further west and maybe in a row, but I

[26:51] don't I'm not sure if anybody's living there now.

[26:55] » Thanks for joining. >> Yeah.

[27:00] » All eyes on Kurt.

[27:06] All right. Um if there's no other walk-on items,

[27:13] » I'll make a motion to adjourn. >> Sure.

[27:14] » And six

[27:16] » Oh, six. I'll second that. All in favor say

[27:20] "Aye." >> Aye.

[27:22] » Aye.

[27:25] » Well, we're adjourned now, but uh curious how if there's a

08.25.26 EDA Meeting

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