[0:14] Good evening, congratulations

[0:15] at the City Council meeting

[0:17] Oshkosh council from 22

[0:18] September 2026. Uh,

[0:19] city secretary,

[0:20] please pass

[0:21] roll call.

[0:22] Lefebvre.

[0:22] Here.

[0:23] Esslinger.

[0:23] Here.

[0:24] Spanbauer.

[0:25] Here.

[0:25] Amos.

[0:26] Here.

[0:26] Bulow.

[0:27] Here.

[0:27] Stevenson.

[0:28] Here.

[0:28] And Muktar is absent from

[0:29] a good reason.

[0:30] Thank you. Uh, today

[0:31] invites us to

[0:32] prayers council member

[0:33] Lefebvre.

[0:33] Thank you. Gathering

[0:35] today, we are grateful

[0:36] it's all good that

[0:37] came to our

[0:38] cities. Let our

[0:40] solution always

[0:41] contribute to well-being

[0:42] everyone we manage.

[0:45] Thank you. Today from

[0:46] We have a few friends from

[0:47] Oak Elementary School

[0:49] Lon, who will lead

[0:50] fulfillment of the Oath

[0:51] loyalty.

[1:07] I swear on

[1:08] allegiance to the flag

[1:09] United States

[1:10] America and the Republic,

[1:12] which he personifies,

[1:13] a single nation under

[1:14] By God, indivisible,

[1:15] with freedom and

[1:16] justice for

[1:17] everyone.

[1:20] Okay, and Pat,

[1:21] come back here. WITH

[1:24] we are here Princeton with

[1:25] Oak Lawn. And also

[1:29] Charlotte of Oak Lawn.

[1:30] So I'll give you both

[1:31] possibility

[1:31] express. You

[1:32] can you tell me

[1:33] about your favorite object

[1:35] teacher or just

[1:36] to convey greetings,

[1:37] if you want.

[1:37] E-m. What?

[1:41] is your favorite?

[1:42] subject?

[1:43] Oh. Um, me.

[1:43] everyone likes it

[1:44] teachers, and I love

[1:46] to play basketball,

[1:47] football.

[1:48] Oh, fantastic. And you?

[1:51] Um, my favorite

[1:52] the subject, apparently,

[1:53] physical education, because I can run.

[1:55] Oh, fantastic.

[1:57] And my favorite

[1:58] teacher—probably,

[1:59] Mr. Ward.

[1:59] Okay, sounds good.

[2:00] not bad.

[2:01] You can keep them, and I

[2:02] I'll take a picture if

[2:04] you want.

[2:08] Okay, thank you for

[2:10] help.

[2:22] Okay, next, very

[2:23] happily, we have

[2:24] introducing a new

[2:26] employee. Therefore,

[2:27] uh, mister

[2:28] Krammenacker, right?

[2:29] Could you come over and

[2:30] tell me about yourself?

[2:31] Oh, you can.

[2:31] to stay put,

[2:33] if you want. And, uh,

[2:34] warn everyone about,

[2:35] uh, your pronunciation

[2:36] surnames, because I know,

[2:37] what is it always like for you

[2:38] fun.

[2:39] Okay, thank you very much.

[2:40] to all of you. My name is,

[2:42] uh, Benjamin

[2:42] Krammenacker. Uh,

[2:43] you can call me

[2:45] Ben, if you will. I

[2:46] director of

[2:46] administrative

[2:47] services and

[2:48] organizational

[2:49] efficiency, on

[2:50] about seven positions

[2:51] days, and I really like it

[2:52] I like it. I just

[2:53] I want to say thank you.

[2:55] I am proud of Oshkosh,

[2:56] I am proud of our

[2:57] community. I can

[2:58] to say "our"

[2:59] community, "because I

[3:00] was born here and

[3:00] lived here for a long time

[3:01] part of your life.

[3:02] My wife and I are from

[3:04] Oshkosh, that's why I am proud of where I am, proud to be

[3:06] part of this

[3:07] organizations, and

[3:08] I am really, really proud.

[3:09] this community. So with

[3:10] I am looking forward to

[3:11] many years together

[3:12] work with you. Thank you.

[3:14] Okay, congratulations.

[3:15] Thank you.

[3:22] Before the meeting

[3:23] several were issued

[3:25] proclamations, one of

[3:26] which concerned 40-

[3:27] anniversary of the "Friends of the Center"

[3:28] for the elderly

[3:29] "Oshkosh" was wonderful

[3:31] day, and Rebecca

[3:32] issued it on behalf of

[3:33] mayor, as well as the day "

[3:34] "The Extra Mile" by 1

[3:35] November.

[3:39] Moving on to

[3:40] public appeals

[3:42] to the council, I remind you that

[3:43] this only applies to

[3:44] council. Speeches

[3:45] limited to 5 minutes.

[3:47] If you need

[3:47] more time, give it

[3:48] I want to know if this is

[3:50] essence. The speeches have

[3:51] to address issues,

[3:52] not included in

[3:52] the council agenda,

[3:53] limited by affairs,

[3:54] affecting the city

[3:55] Oshkosh, and the city council

[3:56] can consider them on

[3:57] future meetings

[3:58] . They shouldn't

[3:59] contain support

[4:00] any candidates

[4:01] or pre-election

[4:02] agitation, and the council does not

[4:03] can answer

[4:04] question whether

[4:05] comments at this time.

[4:06] This is not the time for

[4:06] discussions, and

[4:07] possibility

[4:08] to contact the council and

[4:09] to suggest ideas,

[4:10] which can become

[4:10] points of the future

[4:11] agenda. Uh,

[4:13] and I have one person

[4:15] , registered at

[4:16] public comments.

[4:18] Kevin, you're first.

[4:21] Is this a grandstand?

[4:22] Yes, here, be there.

[4:23] affection.

[4:28] Um, I'm Kevin McGuy. I

[4:30] uh citizen of Oshkosh

[4:31] . I've been here a long time,

[4:33] practically everything

[4:34] life. Um, I'm a manager.

[4:36] buildings at the address

[4:37] North Main Street,

[4:39] 404, which is uh

[4:39] multifunctional

[4:41] building. I, in fact,

[4:43] I manage the event.

[4:44] part of this

[4:45] building, which

[4:46] called Venue 404,

[4:47] of course? Above the first

[4:49] upstairs is located

[4:50] several floors, which

[4:51] make up our

[4:52] space for events,

[4:53] There are offices there. Apparently,

[4:55] some of you are already there were lawyers there,

[4:57] architects, uh, you know, consultants

[5:00] etc. So this is

[5:01] professional offices.

[5:04] So, I came here.

[5:05] today, to talk about

[5:07] constant noise that

[5:08] arises—well, sometime

[5:09] it was just because

[5:11] the road in the square, and

[5:12] now it's actually uh

[5:13] on our doorstep. It

[5:15] right on our

[5:16] sidewalks, okay?

[5:17] My office is those offices,

[5:19] which you see when

[5:20] stand and look at

[5:21] this building, this is mine

[5:22] offices. I am literally on

[5:24] sidewalks. The last one

[5:25] sometimes we had uh

[5:27] protests that

[5:27] have been going on for a long time, and

[5:29] noise level from them

[5:30] very high. It

[5:31] interferes with our work

[5:32] offices throughout

[5:33] buildings. But the last one

[5:35] sometimes appeared

[5:36] street preacher

[5:37] , which behaves

[5:38] extremely loud,

[5:39] provocatively and

[5:40] uses very

[5:41] powerful

[5:42] reinforcing

[5:43] column to spread one's

[5:44] letter. And when, uh,

[5:46] he did not receive

[5:47] enough attention to

[5:48] on the other side of the street,

[5:49] he parked on

[5:50] our sidewalk,

[5:51] literally on

[5:52] distance from that

[5:53] the places where you sit,

[5:54] to the front

[5:55] that table. Here it is.

[5:57] parks and puts

[5:58] your column before

[5:59] my office,

[5:59] of course? We understand the law

[6:01] to say everything that

[6:02] if you wish, in

[6:03] public places, with

[6:04] certain restrictions.

[6:05] But what worries us is that

[6:07] it literally gets in the way

[6:08] our activities. It

[6:09] literally

[6:10] makes work impossible

[6:11] consultants who

[6:12] are on

[6:13] second floor. We

[6:15] made records, and in

[6:16] some moment,

[6:17] maybe this, you know,

[6:18] will move forward, we

[6:19] let's share some

[6:20] records. Its clearly

[6:22] hear on the eighth

[6:23] floor, in

[6:24] attorney's

[6:25] offices and everywhere there.

[6:26] So it's not about

[6:27] that we don't care what

[6:29] people say, you

[6:29] Can you be in favor or not?

[6:30] against anything. Me

[6:32] it doesn't matter. I'm talking about

[6:33] that it is literally

[6:34] makes our

[6:35] work, as well as

[6:36] other enterprises in

[6:37] this area has

[6:39] this is a problem, and I

[6:39] talked to many

[6:41] of them who expressed

[6:42] similar concerns. I

[6:43] didn't bring it to

[6:44] collection level

[6:45] written signatures,

[6:46] but maybe we are

[6:47] we will do it. Uh-huh. We expect certain

[6:52] advice and perhaps

[6:53] order from

[6:54] of the city council, which

[6:55] will solve this problem.

[6:57] We know that

[6:58] lately

[6:59] the police often

[6:59] interacts with this

[7:00] a specific person, and

[7:02] I think the police

[7:03] a bit confused, or

[7:04] wrong? They don't have

[7:05] leverage, right?

[7:06] They can't do anything.

[7:07] to do with this, although it

[7:08] is already going beyond

[7:09] intelligent. This does not have

[7:10] nothing to do with

[7:11] common sense. It

[7:12] provocative type

[7:13] demonstrations by

[7:14] this person. And they

[7:15] nothing really

[7:17] can do something about it.

[7:18] So, this became for us

[7:19] a real problem

[7:20] , and this is happening

[7:21] almost every day. We

[7:23] saw the police

[7:24] recently recorded

[7:25] decibel level, because

[7:26] I know that they are

[7:27] concerned about this, and

[7:29] any reasonable

[7:30] person standing on

[7:31] square, hears that it is

[7:32] foolishly. You can

[7:34] hear them from a block away,

[7:35] very loud So,

[7:36] if you are not sure,

[7:37] just go there

[7:38] take a look,

[7:39] What do you think about this?

[7:40] is abnormal. It

[7:42] foolishly. There are

[7:43] city ordinances that

[7:44] regulate certain

[7:45] noise issue.

[7:46] Actually, recently, in

[7:48] pub-

[7:48] crawl, you have determined

[7:50] excessive noise as one

[7:51] for reasons for

[7:52] intervention in such

[7:53] things. We understand that

[7:54] bar crawl

[7:55] differs from

[7:56] human rights to the first

[7:57] amendment to

[7:57] constitution, which

[7:58] allows you to say that

[8:00] what she wants, in the square

[8:01] . But the point is that

[8:02] there should be a reasonable limit

[8:04] so that it does not violate

[8:05] other people's rights

[8:06] to do one's own thing

[8:07] affairs. Your

[8:10] message

[8:11] today indicated

[8:12] that everything we

[8:14] here we do, has

[8:14] to take into account the interests

[8:16] all citizens, not

[8:17] only one right

[8:18] person intentionally,

[8:19] to shout provocatively

[8:20] and hinder business

[8:22] right next to ours

[8:23] thresholds. So, I'm a little

[8:26] investigated this issue,

[8:27] and many cities in this

[8:28] in the area have

[8:29] relevant

[8:29] order. You,

[8:30] maybe about this

[8:31] you know. I am sure

[8:32] What do you know about this?

[8:33] but, you know, I know that

[8:34] discussions on this

[8:35] The reason was already being discussed.

[8:39] Fond du Lac, Appleton,

[8:40] Waukesha, Madison,

[8:41] Milwaukee—they all have

[8:43] the order that

[8:44] relate to the violation

[8:45] public peace

[8:46] noise, and they

[8:47] determine this or

[8:48] decibel level, or

[8:50] the distance from which it comes

[8:51] sound to set

[8:52] reasonable noise level,

[8:54] which allows

[8:54] to respect the right

[8:55] person to freedom

[8:57] words, but at the same time

[8:58] does not violate the rights

[8:59] others, for example,

[9:00] our enterprises,

[9:01] who are trying

[9:02] continue working.

[9:08] So we hope,

[9:10] what can you do

[9:10] consider this

[9:11] question. Police

[9:14] informed us that

[9:15] they discussed it

[9:16] with the city prosecutor,

[9:17] which at this moment

[9:18] decided to admit

[9:19] situation such that

[9:20] is outside

[9:21] under his control. I

[9:23] called several times

[9:24] to the city prosecutor. WITH

[9:25] for some reason I

[9:26] They didn't call back. So

[9:28] I don't know how we

[9:29] resolve this issue.

[9:31] But we, and

[9:32] businesses around

[9:33] us, really

[9:34] trying to find

[9:35] way of conducting oneself

[9:36] business every day, not

[9:37] interrupting through

[9:38] loud noise from

[9:39] protesters and

[9:40] street

[9:41] preachers. Here in such a situation we

[9:45] found themselves. Thank you.

[9:46] Kevin. Someone

[9:49] still wants to do

[9:50] public statements regarding

[9:51] questions not included

[9:52] to the agenda?

[9:54] Okay, I see that no one,

[9:55] so let's move on to

[9:56] agenda.

[9:57] Can be obtained

[9:58] proposal and

[9:59] support for

[10:00] agenda?

[10:00] I suggest.

[10:01] I support.

[10:03] Is there anyone from

[10:04] the public regarding

[10:05] agenda?

[10:07] OK. Are there any

[10:09] discussion among

[10:11] you? Good. Please

[10:13] , start

[10:14] roll call vote

[10:15] .

[10:15] Lefebvre.

[10:16] By.

[10:16] Esslinger.

[10:17] By.

[10:17] Spanbauer.

[10:18] By.

[10:18] Amos.

[10:19] By.

[10:19] Beulah.

[10:20] By.

[10:20] Stevenson.

[10:21] By.

[10:21] Six "for", zero "no"

[10:22] against".

[10:23] Good. Question, no

[10:24] brought to order

[10:25] daytime. First

[10:26] we have a new point

[10:27] resolution, decree

[10:29] 2642, on the creation

[10:30] section 17-1.4 and

[10:31] making changes to

[10:33] sections 17-46 and 17-47

[10:34] municipal

[10:35] Oshkosh City Code

[10:36] regarding regulation

[10:38] cannabinoids,

[10:39] obtained from

[10:40] hemp. I have

[10:41] one registered

[10:42] person to speak with

[10:43] this question, but I don't see her here. Oh, here

[10:45] Ashley. Yes.

[10:46] I am short.

[10:47] Yes, no problem.

[10:49] Sorry. Come closer.

[10:53] Congratulations. I'm Ashley Romlo,

[10:56] I represent the Service

[10:57] public

[10:58] county health

[10:59] Winnebago and

[10:59] Breakwater organization,

[11:00] what is our coalition

[11:01] on prevention

[11:02] use

[11:03] psychoactive

[11:04] substances among young people

[11:05] in the city. Thank you members

[11:07] council and city council

[11:08] staff for their thoughts

[11:09] and time dedicated

[11:10] this resolution. I want

[11:14] to express sincere

[11:14] gratitude for life

[11:16] proactive steps

[11:17] to strengthen

[11:18] youth protection in

[11:19] Oshkosh. Installation

[11:23] clear and

[11:24] consistent

[11:24] resolutions regarding

[11:25] intoxicating products from

[11:27] cannabinoids

[11:27] hemp is...This is

[11:29] many syllables. It

[11:32] an important step for

[11:33] community safety, and we sincerely appreciate your

[11:35] work that led

[11:36] us up to this point.

[11:38] Public service

[11:39] county health

[11:40] Winnebago supports

[11:42] sales restrictions

[11:43] these intoxicating products

[11:44] for people aged 21 and over

[11:45] year and attraction

[11:46] retailers

[11:48] to responsibility,

[11:49] if they don't

[11:50] check age. WITH

[11:51] research in the field

[11:52] public

[11:53] we know health,

[11:54] that access restrictions

[11:55] at points of sale—

[11:56] one of

[11:57] the most effective

[11:58] ways to prevent

[11:59] use among

[12:00] young people. So

[12:00] concentration of attention

[12:01] at retail

[12:02] sellers—very

[12:03] an important step. Council

[12:05] could consider

[12:06] possibility

[12:06] increase in fines

[12:07] for owners

[12:08] institutions instead of or

[12:09] in addition to fines

[12:10] for sellers.

[12:13] At the same time, I urge

[12:15] please review

[12:16] punishment for buying,

[12:17] use or

[12:18] possession

[12:18] minors.

[12:22] Policy research

[12:23] regarding tobacco and

[12:24] alcohol consistently

[12:25] show that such

[12:27] fines are not reduced

[12:28] substance use

[12:29] among young people.

[12:32] Instead, they

[12:33] can lead to

[12:34] excessive pressure on

[12:35] young people and

[12:36] translate

[12:36] responsibility for

[12:37] adults and business,

[12:38] which can actually

[12:42] control access

[12:43] to these products.

[12:45] The youth would receive

[12:46] more benefit from

[12:48] education, support or

[12:49] similar alternatives

[12:50] than from cash

[12:51] fines. Ago

[12:52] focusing on

[12:53] compliance with the rules

[12:54] sellers and education

[12:55] young people are better

[12:56] will contribute to the development

[12:57] and harm reduction.

[12:58] We are grateful for your

[12:59] work on this

[13:00] by resolution and for your

[13:01] openness to

[13:02] views

[13:02] public

[13:03] health. Department

[13:04] health care

[13:05] always ready

[13:06] provide you with data or

[13:07] respond to

[13:07] question, and we are very

[13:08] we appreciate your

[13:09] leadership and

[13:10] dedication to the cause.

[13:11] Thank you.

[13:13] Are there any more members?

[13:13] the public, which

[13:14] wish to speak out

[13:16] this issue

[13:16] agenda?

[13:17] Okay, because

[13:18] There are no volunteers, I am waiting for an offer.

[13:20] and its maintenance.

[13:21] I support.

[13:22] Okay, thank you. I will start.

[13:26] for this reason, simply because,

[13:28] that Ashley and her team

[13:29] turned to me—

[13:30] the team from Breakwater. They

[13:33] conducted a full audit

[13:34] various retail

[13:35] sellers in

[13:36] municipalities and

[13:37] saw that some

[13:38] sold to persons under 21

[13:40] year, and some only from

[13:41] 21 years, while on

[13:42] tobacco and alcohol

[13:43] the restriction is

[13:44] 21 years and over. Therefore,

[13:46] they proposed

[13:47] I have a few ideas.

[13:49] So I am very grateful.

[13:51] them for this work. They

[13:52] have completed all

[13:53] preparatory work and

[13:54] conducted a study.

[13:56] I am going to make a contribution.

[13:57] small adjustment

[13:58] , a small correction, and

[14:00] I know that the council member

[14:01] Lefever too. If

[14:02] no one mind, I think it would be better.

[14:05] consider them now,

[14:06] so that we can discuss

[14:07] already a complete version.

[14:09] Therefore, I propose

[14:09] to amend

[14:11] provisions on penalties

[14:12] sanctions, so that any

[14:13] which retail

[14:14] salesperson, operator

[14:15] trading

[14:16] vending machines or other

[14:17] person who violates

[14:18] section 17-1.4 B2 (

[14:19] sales ban

[14:20] persons under 21 years of age),

[14:21] was subject to collection

[14:22] in the amount of at least 100

[14:23] dollars plus court fees

[14:24] costs. All others

[14:25] fines and regulations

[14:27] remain unchanged.

[14:29] I am making a suggestion.

[14:30] I support.

[14:32] OK. My goal is—

[14:35] to make it clear,

[14:37] that retail

[14:38] sellers will

[14:39] punished more severely,

[14:40] than individuals,

[14:41] due to legal costs.

[14:44] Even if we

[14:45] imposed a fine of 1

[14:46] dollar for private

[14:47] person, it's not much

[14:48] will change the overall

[14:49] amount, because the court

[14:51] the costs are

[14:52] most of it. As

[14:54] our boss said

[14:55] police, fine

[14:56] only needed for

[14:57] software

[14:58] compliance with the rules. It

[15:03] not what for

[15:04] they will be

[15:04] to specifically search

[15:05] reasons for fines.

[15:08] Is there any more discussion?

[15:09] regarding the amendment that I

[15:10] suggested? OK.

[15:13] If you want

[15:14] to hold a vote

[15:15] .

[15:15] Lefever.

[15:16] By.

[15:16] Esslinger.

[15:17] By.

[15:17] Spanbauer.

[15:18] By.

[15:19] Amos.

[15:19] By.

[15:20] Jul.

[15:20] By.

[15:21] Stevenson.

[15:21] By.

[15:22] 6-0.

[15:23] Thank you. And now, member

[15:24] for the sake of Lefebvre, yours

[15:25] word.

[15:26] Thank you. Yes, thank you.

[15:27] Deputy Mayor for

[15:28] passing this

[15:29] question. I support

[15:31] this resolution. I believe,

[15:33] that installation 21

[15:34] year as a minimum

[15:35] age to purchase

[15:36] of these products has

[15:38] sense. In states where

[15:39] permitted use

[15:40] cannabis for adults, 21

[15:42] year is standard

[15:43] age threshold, therefore

[15:44] I think it is important.

[15:45] achieve

[15:46] sequences in

[15:47] on this issue. Of

[15:53] corrections, I'm worried

[15:54] section 17-1.4 b 4, which

[15:56] establishes a 500-foot

[15:57] seat restrictions

[15:59] selling these

[15:59] products, particularly in

[16:01] within 500 feet of

[16:02] hospitals, churches or

[16:04] organizations that

[16:05] serve children.

[16:11] The last category,

[16:12] in particular, it seems

[16:14] Too wide for me.

[16:16] Any organization,

[16:17] who works with children,

[16:18] can cover

[16:19] the most diverse

[16:20] places. Besides, I don't

[16:22] I'm sure that this is

[16:23] formulation

[16:24] helps to solve

[16:25] the problem that

[16:26] this is directed

[16:26] resolution, namely—

[16:27] installation

[16:28] minimum age. I

[16:30] raised this issue

[16:31] in front of the city

[16:32] manager and city

[16:33] lawyer on Friday.

[16:37] Some of these shops

[16:38] working in Oshkosh already

[16:39] for years, and I asked,

[16:40] do we know, can we

[16:42] this provision

[16:43] to touch already

[16:43] existing business.

[16:46] A clear answer to

[16:47] This question was not asked.

[16:51] Then I suggested

[16:52] opportunity to leave

[16:53] existing business on

[16:54] old conditions, but

[16:55] city lawyer

[16:56] expressed doubt whether

[16:57] maybe it's legal in

[16:59] within the limits of this resolution.

[17:03] We also discussed

[17:04] practical difficulties with

[17:06] administration and

[17:07] by doing this

[17:08] specific

[17:08] sub-item. Ultimately, and

[17:12] city manager, and

[17:14] city lawyer

[17:14] noted that

[17:15] the simplest

[17:16] the solution would be

[17:17] just cancel

[17:18] geographical

[17:19] limitation. So if

[17:24] geographical

[17:25] concentration or

[17:26] location of these

[17:27] institutions will become

[17:28] problem in the future, I think

[17:30] that we can

[17:31] consider this

[17:32] separate questions and

[17:33] carefully, but now I don't see that.

[17:35] contributed to the purpose of the submitted

[17:36] resolutions. So, with

[17:43] In view of this, I propose to introduce

[17:46] amendments to the resolution

[17:47] 26-42, completely

[17:48] by removing section 17-1.4

[17:50] B 4 on restrictions

[17:51] points of sale and

[17:52] renumbered

[17:54] relevant sub-items

[17:55] . I support.

[18:01] Is there a discussion about

[18:03] this amendment? OK

[18:05] , no comments.

[18:06] Please pass.

[18:07] roll call vote

[18:08] .

[18:08] Leffingwell.

[18:09] By.

[18:09] Esslinger.

[18:10] By.

[18:10] Spanbauer.

[18:11] By.

[18:12] Amos.

[18:12] By.

[18:13] Billo.

[18:13] By.

[18:14] Stevenson.

[18:14] By.

[18:15] Sixkiller.

[18:16] So, now on

[18:17] consideration is made

[18:18] resolution with two already

[18:19] amended

[18:20] . Is there a conversation or

[18:21] comments on this

[18:22] reason?

[18:24] First of all, thank you.

[18:25] to the deputy mayor for that

[18:27] who endured this

[18:28] issue for consideration.

[18:29] Thank you to everyone who took

[18:30] participation in the preparation

[18:31] this question. I think this is wonderful.

[18:33] resolution, and it

[18:34] very useful for

[18:35] the health of our youth

[18:37] here in Oshkosh.

[18:38] Last weekend I

[18:39] conducted research with

[18:40] this topic and I want

[18:41] to emphasize

[18:42] several moments. CDC

[18:44] conducted scientific

[18:46] research that

[18:47] indicate that individuals

[18:48] under 21 years old

[18:49] particularly vulnerable to

[18:50] abuse

[18:51] psychoactive

[18:52] substances and

[18:53] dependencies. I believe

[18:55] that scientific

[18:56] research should

[18:57] and further

[18:57] to be used

[18:58] for forming

[18:59] public policy

[19:00] and results in the field of public

[19:01] health. So simple

[19:03] I want to note this.

[19:06] Also brain development

[19:07] lasts up to 25 years, and

[19:09] the last part that

[19:10] ripens, it is

[19:11] prefrontal cortex,

[19:12] which is responsible for

[19:13] impulse control,

[19:15] which makes people under 21

[19:16] year more prone

[19:17] to dependencies and

[19:19] social pressure. AND

[19:23] latest: FDA received

[19:25] over 300 messages

[19:26] about side effects,

[19:28] some of which

[19:29] concerned persons

[19:30] under the age of 21, which

[19:32] consumed products from

[19:33] Delta-8 THC in the period from 2021

[19:35] until 2023. Almost

[19:36] half of the cases

[19:37] led to

[19:38] hospitalization or

[19:39] appeals to

[19:40] branches

[19:41] urgent

[19:41] assistance, and about 2/3

[19:43] related to food

[19:44] products with Delta-8 THC,

[19:45] such as candy or

[19:46] brownies. So I think,

[19:50] that the presence of these

[19:51] precautions are

[19:52] very important for

[19:53] assistance and

[19:54] containment of our

[19:55] young people from

[19:55] consumption of these

[19:56] intoxicating

[19:57] products and, possibly,

[19:58] development of addiction

[20:00] from them. I also think

[20:04] for important

[20:05] inform the community,

[20:06] that these products are not

[20:07] were evaluated and not

[20:08] FDA approved for

[20:09] safe

[20:10] using. Some of

[20:16] these products

[20:16] contain harmful

[20:17] impurities, and some

[20:18] can cause

[20:19] mental health problems

[20:20] health, paranoia and

[20:22] to influence

[20:22] people's ability

[20:23] to take rational

[20:24] decision. I think so.

[20:29] it is worth paying attention to,

[20:30] discussing this topic.

[20:33] And the last thing I want

[20:35] add: I think this

[20:36] resolution also

[20:37] will provide clear

[20:38] boundaries for business and

[20:39] young people here in Oshkosh.

[20:44] This will also eliminate any

[20:46] which is possible

[20:47] conflict with

[20:47] state law

[20:49] Wisconsin, which

[20:50] establishes that access

[20:51] to these products

[20:52] allowed to persons

[20:53] aged 21 and over. Therefore

[20:57] , for all these reasons I support this.

[20:59] today I want more

[21:00] thank you once again for

[21:01] introducing this

[21:02] question.

[21:04] Is there any more discussion?

[21:06] Since there is none, be

[21:07] please guide

[21:08] voting.

[21:09] Lefebvre.

[21:09] By.

[21:10] Esslinger.

[21:10] By.

[21:11] Spanbauer.

[21:12] By.

[21:12] Amos.

[21:13] By.

[21:13] Yulow.

[21:14] By.

[21:14] Stevenson.

[21:15] By.

[21:15] Six-zero.

[21:16] Thank you. Resolution 2644:

[21:18] approval

[21:19] amendments to

[21:20] resolutions on

[21:21] zoning regarding

[21:22] kindergartens in

[21:24] sections 30-78 K and 30-86 F

[21:26] Municipal

[21:27] of the Oshkosh City Code.

[21:29] Planning Commission

[21:30] recommends approval.

[21:31] Need a quote

[21:33] and support.

[21:33] I make a suggestion.

[21:35] I support.

[21:36] Have a question for

[21:36] discussion? OK,

[21:38] since there is none, be

[21:39] please guide

[21:40] voting.

[21:40] Lefebvre.

[21:41] By.

[21:41] Esslinger.

[21:42] By.

[21:42] Spanbauer.

[21:43] By.

[21:44] Amos.

[21:44] By.

[21:45] Yulow.

[21:45] By.

[21:46] Stevenson.

[21:46] By.

[21:47] Six-zero.

[21:48] Resolution 26-43:

[21:49] approval of change

[21:50] zoning with heavy

[21:51] industrial to heavy

[21:53] industrial with

[21:54] by overlaying the plan

[21:55] development (HIPD) for

[21:56] object at address 1222

[21:58] West South Park Avenue. Commission

[21:59] from planning

[22:00] recommends approval.

[22:01] Offer and

[22:02] support.

[22:02] I make a suggestion,

[22:03] I support.

[22:04] Is there a discussion? Be

[22:06] Please vote.

[22:07] Spend

[22:07] voting.

[22:08] Lefebvre.

[22:09] By.

[22:09] Esslinger.

[22:10] By.

[22:10] Spanbauer.

[22:11] By.

[22:11] Amos.

[22:12] By.

[22:12] Billo.

[22:13] By.

[22:13] Stevenson.

[22:14] By.

[22:14] Six-zero.

[22:15] Moving on to new ones

[22:16] resolutions. Resolution

[22:18] 26-436: approval

[22:19] master plan

[22:21] development and

[22:22] specific plan

[22:23] implementation for

[22:24] new ground

[22:26] signs at 1222

[22:27] West South Park Avenue. Commission

[22:29] from planning

[22:29] recommends approval.

[22:30] I make a suggestion.

[22:32] I support.

[22:32] Sorry.

[22:33] I just wanted to say that to me

[22:34] there is no one to do this with

[22:35] to discuss.

[22:35] Yes. Thank you.

[22:36] Uh, are there any?

[22:37] discussion? Be

[22:38] Please, signal.

[22:38] Conduct a roll call

[22:39] voting.

[22:39] Lafferty Burke.

[22:40] By.

[22:40] Esslinger.

[22:41] By.

[22:42] Spanbauer.

[22:42] By.

[22:43] Amos.

[22:43] By.

[22:44] Billo.

[22:44] By.

[22:45] Stevenson.

[22:45] By.

[22:46] Six-zero.

[22:46] Resolution 26-437:

[22:47] approve the agreement on

[22:49] development with White Label Lofts

[22:50] LLC for projects

[22:51] affordable housing.

[22:52] Proposal

[22:53] supported.

[22:54] Accepted.

[22:55] Second proposal.

[22:56] Hello everyone. I have

[22:58] request. We noticed

[23:00] error in resolution,

[23:01] so I need

[23:02] amendment. In the second

[23:05] the paragraph that says "

[23:06] to decide further",

[23:08] municipal

[23:09] financial

[23:10] obligation not

[23:11] must exceed

[23:13] the amount specified above—2

[23:15] 197 442. The amount indicated

[23:17] now, 2,163,038, there are

[23:18] incorrect. We

[23:20] updated this amount after

[23:22] data correction.

[23:23] So I need

[23:24] amendment. I'm sorry.

[23:27] I propose to introduce

[23:28] amendment with those

[23:29] the numbers she

[23:30] presented.

[23:31] Second proposal.

[23:32] Does that suit you, Amy?

[23:36] Yes, but give me

[23:37] a second, because I see

[23:38] discrepancy,

[23:39] so I'll check quickly

[23:40] contract. Wait.

[23:45] Yes, the sum is 442. I

[23:48] noticed that in

[23:50] resolution higher amount

[23:51] is listed as 422. So, that there is no confusion

[23:59] : $2,197,442.

[24:03] 442 dollars. And this is the amount,

[24:05] reflected in our

[24:06] note?

[24:07] There is

[24:08] Two mistakes?

[24:11] They are in the note, but

[24:12] in the resolution it

[24:13] is listed twice, and in the second case

[24:15] numbers too

[24:16] mixed up in places.

[24:19] So I just wanted to clarify that in

[24:21] note, or,

[24:21] I'm sorry, in

[24:22] resolution is two numbers

[24:24] which are needed

[24:24] update.

[24:25] Okay, the resolution about

[24:26] amendments to

[24:27] under consideration. We have

[24:28] proposal and its

[24:29] support. Are there any

[24:31] discussion? OK,

[24:32] we spend

[24:32] vote on

[24:33] amendments.

[24:33] Lafferty Burke.

[24:34] By.

[24:35] Esslinger.

[24:35] By.

[24:36] Spanbauer.

[24:37] By.

[24:37] Amos.

[24:38] By.

[24:38] Buhler.

[24:38] By.

[24:39] Stevenson.

[24:40] By.

[24:40] Six-zero.

[24:41] Okay, then 26437 of

[24:43] taking into account amendments

[24:45] . Is there a discussion?

[24:49] I want too

[24:49] to speak out of this

[24:50] reason. Again,

[24:52] I think it's still

[24:53] one wonderful

[24:53] decree,

[24:54] presented

[24:55] tonight.

[24:56] The reason why I want

[24:57] to express an opinion on

[24:58] of this project,

[24:59] is that he

[25:01] personally close

[25:02] me. When I

[25:04] started his journey

[25:05] in civil service

[25:06] last year,

[25:07] running for

[25:08] vacant seat on the council

[25:09] , former council member

[25:11] Nichols asked me,

[25:12] What's the problem in Oshkosh?

[25:13] is the largest. Mine

[25:16] the answer then was

[25:17] lack of availability

[25:18] housing. And, um, I think that

[25:21] this project

[25:21] directly

[25:22] solves the problem

[25:23] lack of available

[25:25] housing here in Oshkosh.

[25:26] So I am determined.

[25:27] I support this and just

[25:28] I want to highlight some

[25:30] key points

[25:31] of this project. I know,

[25:34] what, um, council member, uh...

[25:36] I? Steve is in favor.

[25:40] Who are you looking at?...

[25:41] highlighted some of these

[25:42] key points on

[25:43] last meeting,

[25:44] but I want to again

[25:45] emphasize them, because

[25:46] This is a great project.

[25:47] Therefore, the proposed

[25:49] the development will unite

[25:50] five plots in

[25:51] the area, as I understand it,

[25:52] between 9th and 10th streets

[25:54] and Main Street, and

[25:55] will transform this

[25:56] playground for about

[25:57] 49 residential units.

[25:59] It is expected that some

[26:01] the apartments will be

[26:02] available approximately

[26:03] for $475 on

[26:04] month. And this project

[26:07] contributes to further

[26:08] investments and

[26:09] revival along

[26:10] South Main Street.

[26:12] So thank you to Sarah and her

[26:14] team. Thanks Todd,

[26:15] to the developer, and his

[26:17] team for

[26:17] investing in Oshkosh,

[26:19] or for having chosen

[26:20] invest in Oshkosh.

[26:21] And again, I support this.

[26:24] Thank you.

[26:26] Is there any more discussion?

[26:28] Okay, I don't see it.

[26:29] Resolution 26-437 in

[26:31] revised edition.

[26:33] Leffelholz.

[26:34] By.

[26:34] Slinger.

[26:35] By.

[26:35] Spanbauer.

[26:36] By.

[26:36] Amos.

[26:37] By.

[26:37] Buhler.

[26:38] By.

[26:38] Stevenson.

[26:39] By.

[26:39] Sixkiller.

[26:40] OK. Resolution 26441:

[26:42] approve the mortgage

[26:43] transfer of rights for

[26:44] development agreement with

[26:45] White Label Lofts LLC on

[26:46] benefit of Horicon Bank.

[26:47] Need a quote

[26:48] and its support.

[26:49] Therefore...

[26:50] I support.

[26:52] Is there a discussion or

[26:53] question?

[26:55] Sara, do you want

[26:55] tell us what it is

[26:57] like this?

[26:57] Good. So, there are

[26:59] cases when

[27:00] developers

[27:01] you need to take what

[27:02] we provide them with both

[27:03] payment upon receipt, and

[27:04] to take to the bank,

[27:05] to get money

[27:06] immediately. We are no longer

[27:08] we provide funds

[27:09] developers immediately

[27:10] in advance. Trend

[27:11] the last one

[27:12] decades—this

[27:13] installment payment for

[27:14] fact. So, when

[27:15] there is an increase, we pay the developer

[27:18] based on this. IN this case, to

[27:20] the project worked,

[27:21] Todd needs

[27:22] contact the bank,

[27:23] and the bank then demands

[27:24] collateral transfer

[27:25] rights, which means that

[27:26] they are actually

[27:27] are entitled

[27:28] ownership of these funds

[27:29] . And this is just a legal

[27:31] agreement that allows

[27:32] them to do it. We don't often see it like this

[27:35] quickly, but in this

[27:36] case we know that

[27:37] Todd needs this,

[27:38] to continue

[27:39] work, so we

[27:40] asked for permission

[27:41] change order

[27:42] daytime, so that

[27:43] quickly submit it to you.

[27:45] Thank you. Council member

[27:48] Erfling.

[27:48] Thank you. So, with

[27:49] from a legal point of view,

[27:51] this is more like

[27:51] promissory note than

[27:53] for something else?

[27:53] This is a tool

[27:54] software. Almost

[27:56] Yes. The bank needs

[27:59] council's permission for it

[28:01] transmission, so we

[28:02] here today.

[28:04] OK. Without further ado

[28:05] questions or

[28:05] discussions, be

[28:06] please guide

[28:07] roll call.

[28:07] Laffibur.

[28:08] By.

[28:09] Esslinger.

[28:09] By.

[28:10] Spanbauer.

[28:11] By.

[28:11] Amos.

[28:11] By.

[28:12] Buller.

[28:12] By.

[28:13] Stevenson.

[28:14] By.

[28:14] Sixo.

[28:15] OK. Resolution 26438

[28:16] approved the refusal,

[28:18] transfer of premises

[28:19] and issuance

[28:20] combined

[28:21] Class B licenses for

[28:23] beer/alcohol from Los

[28:24] Tres Amigos Mexican Restaurant LLC,

[28:26] which conducts activities

[28:27] called Los Tres Tres

[28:29] Amigos at South

[28:30] 2070 Koller Street, to The

[28:32] Warehouse Lounge LLC, which runs

[28:33] activity under

[28:34] called The Warehouse Lounge by

[28:36] at Oregon Avenue,

[28:38] 800, Agent Sarah Mayhew.

[28:39] Support is needed. THERE ARE

[28:41] -eh, proposal,

[28:42] support.

[28:43] I support.

[28:44] Second.

[28:45] Is there a discussion? I only,

[28:51] uh, city clerk

[28:52] Salinas and I

[28:53] discussed

[28:54] today, there are several

[28:55] points in the monument,

[28:56] which have not yet been verified,

[28:58] they are still working

[28:59] to agree on

[29:00] all inspections, and

[29:01] license not

[29:02] it seems that everything is fine so far

[29:03] will not be completed.

[29:07] No, she is being given out. You

[29:09] Are you releasing it today?

[29:10] as a corporation.

[29:11] We are giving it away.

[29:12] today, but they are not

[29:13] will be able to

[29:14] activate. It

[29:14] right? Type

[29:16] No.

[29:20] A minor point in

[29:21] because they are not

[29:22] will be able, for example,

[29:23] sell alcohol and

[29:24] to use it,

[29:25] until they are

[29:26] all completed

[29:27] inspections. What am I in?

[29:28] Am I wrong?

[29:30] So, when the council issues

[29:32] her, this is the moment of delivery

[29:33] licenses. Like when

[29:35] you provide it

[29:36] tonight,

[29:37] Okay.

[29:38] they will have active

[29:39] alcohol license.

[29:41] If you want it

[29:42] take away, us

[29:42] will have to go through hearing about

[29:45] cancellation, as we

[29:46] did before.

[29:48] So now they are still

[29:49] waiting for

[29:50] completion of inspections

[29:51] district, service

[29:52] health care

[29:52] Winnebago and

[29:53] fire department

[29:54] Oshkosh.

[29:54] Mhm.

[29:56] So how do we give out

[29:57] license when they

[29:59] still waiting for

[30:00] checks?

[30:01] You can give it out.

[30:02] today, and if they

[30:03] will start working

[30:04] without all the necessary

[30:06] permits, decisions

[30:07] you will be contacted

[30:08] with a hearing on

[30:09] cancellation. Or you can decide not to

[30:13] approve of this

[30:14] tonight.

[30:19] How much time do they have?

[30:20] needed for

[30:21] receiving these

[30:22] permissions?

[30:23] I mean, this

[30:24] fire department inspections

[30:25] service and

[30:25] department

[30:26] health care.

[30:27] They can be

[30:27] completed later

[30:28] today.

[30:29] Of course.

[30:29] You know, it depends.

[30:30] from when they got them

[30:31] will plan and

[30:32] will arrange. I don't have

[30:35] access to your

[30:36] systems today, it

[30:37] Here is the problem. But I know that the fire department

[30:39] service was one or

[30:41] two remarks, they

[30:42] wanted to return

[30:43] for re-use

[30:44] checks. And security

[30:46] health, I think,

[30:47] was on the same, well, on the same front. Them

[30:50] it was necessary

[30:51] to return before

[30:53] to give one's own, one's own

[30:54] blessing.

[30:56] This person wants

[30:57] open already

[30:58] soon?

[30:59] If we postpone this

[31:01] for two weeks, or

[31:02] Will it hurt them?

[31:03] I would not like to answer this. I don't know.

[31:09] Uh, council member

[31:10] Breisinger.

[31:11] Thank you, deputy.

[31:12] mayor. I really like it.

[31:14] inconvenient to give out

[31:15] license, until

[31:16] police and fire department

[31:17] the service will not check

[31:19] everything, because aren't you

[31:20] Agree with me,

[31:21] city lawyer, what

[31:22] then we need

[31:23] there will be a good reason,

[31:24] to cancel this

[31:25] license? And then

[31:29] to pass through

[31:30] all the same as you

[31:31] said the process

[31:32] witness oaths and everything

[31:34] this...this, Rado, I don't

[31:35] I think that's it, to

[31:36] What do we want to achieve?

[31:38] This is just my personal

[31:39] opinion. Hmm, me

[31:40] indifferently. I have on

[31:42] mind if they

[31:43] want to get

[31:43] license, that's good,

[31:45] if everything else

[31:45] approved, but I don't

[31:46] I want to run.

[31:47] in advance. So today

[31:49] I will vote against.

[31:50] Um, in the future,

[31:51] if all goes well,

[31:53] That's another story.

[31:55] As far as I understand,

[31:56] they will have to wait

[31:57] 6 months if they

[31:58] will be refused,

[31:59] to apply

[32:00] again, or not?

[32:01] You could also

[32:02] offer

[32:03] postpone

[32:03] This is what I...

[32:04] I'll give you a hint,

[32:05] but you can also

[32:06] offer

[32:07] postpone the consideration.

[32:08] Yes, that's good. Member

[32:09] Amos' advice, or

[32:10] Spinnibauer, sorry.

[32:12] Uh, yes, mine.

[32:13] the question was that

[32:14] , is it recommended

[32:15] we should postpone this until

[32:16] next meeting

[32:18] , could it be, um,

[32:19] approval after

[32:20] completion? No, we

[32:22] will have to postpone

[32:24] .

[32:25] You cannot approve

[32:27] conditionally.

[32:27] OK.

[32:28] We ask about this.

[32:29] every time something like this happens

[32:30] It happens, doesn't it?

[32:31] Just print it out

[32:32] ...We should have

[32:33] keep that in mind.

[32:34] Just a sign that

[32:35] we can't do this

[32:36] do. Hmm, in this way

[32:41] In that case I will suggest

[32:42] postpone this item

[32:43] until next time

[32:44] planned

[32:45] meeting, the first

[32:46] meeting in October,

[32:47] because I can't

[32:48] support it without

[32:49] performing those, uh,

[32:50] necessary

[32:51] improvements,

[32:52] corrections and

[32:53] inspections.

[32:57] I support.

[33:00] Okay, is there any?

[33:00] discussion about

[33:01] proposals to postpone

[33:03] ? If not, be

[33:05] please guide

[33:06] voting.

[33:07] Lefebvre.

[33:08] By.

[33:08] Esslinger.

[33:09] By.

[33:09] Spanbauer.

[33:10] By.

[33:10] Amos.

[33:11] By.

[33:11] Billo.

[33:12] By.

[33:12] Stevenson.

[33:13] By.

[33:14] Six-zero.

[33:15] Okay, resolution 26439

[33:17] on approval

[33:18] license waivers

[33:20] class B for beer and

[33:22] class C for wine from

[33:24] company 592 Oshkosh LLC, which

[33:26] works under the name 592

[33:27] Korean Barbecue, and delivery

[33:29] Class B licenses for

[33:31] beer and class C on

[33:33] Dumpling company wine

[33:34] House Oshkosh LLC, operating

[33:36] called Dumpling House,

[33:38] at 2010 West 9th

[33:40] Avenue. Needed

[33:41] proposal and its

[33:42] support.

[33:43] I suggest.

[33:44] I support.

[33:46] For the same reason that

[33:47] verification is expected

[33:49] Department

[33:50] health care

[33:51] Winnebago County, I suggest postponing

[33:53] this is a question for

[33:54] next on duty

[33:55] Council meeting.

[33:57] I support.

[33:58] Is there a discussion about

[33:59] proposals to postpone

[34:00] consideration? If not,

[34:01] please pass

[34:02] roll call vote

[34:03] .

[34:04] La Favere.

[34:04] By.

[34:05] Esslinger.

[34:06] By.

[34:06] Span Bauer.

[34:07] By.

[34:07] Amos.

[34:08] By.

[34:08] Buhler.

[34:09] By.

[34:09] Stevenson.

[34:10] By.

[34:10] Six against zero.

[34:11] Okay, next one.

[34:13] resolution 26440 on

[34:14] approval

[34:15] designated area

[34:16] rest on

[34:17] outdoors (

[34:18] DORA) for the Sawdust District. I have

[34:21] several registered

[34:22] people who wish

[34:23] to speak out of this

[34:24] reason. So that no one

[34:25] not to miss,

[34:26] I'll check the list, but

[34:27] The first speaker is Mr.

[34:28] Chris Larson. You know the rules.

[34:30] I will break the rules.

[34:31] I know, and I will.

[34:32] throw things at you.

[34:33] I won't. I will,

[34:34] probably concise. Chris

[34:36] Larson, 502 North Main.

[34:38] Thank you for allowing

[34:39] I have to express my opinion on

[34:40] support for creation

[34:42] DORA in the Sawdust District.

[34:43] I'm here because I tried.

[34:44] remember one thing.

[34:45] I don't know if it was

[34:46] advisor present

[34:47] Esslinger, when was

[34:48] the decision has been made

[34:48] regarding DORA in the center

[34:49] cities. No? Yes?

[34:50] It seems so.

[34:51] you and the mayor

[34:52] Mugrauer were here. I

[34:54] played a big role

[34:55] in promoting this on

[34:56] that time, so it was

[34:57] very close to me and

[34:58] importantly. I was hoping

[34:59] that the mayor will be here

[34:59] tonight, to

[35:01] I could thank him.

[35:02] for the kind words,

[35:02] because he, like himself

[35:03] stated, was very

[35:04] against DORA in the center

[35:05] cities when it

[35:05] the issue was raised

[35:07] last time. It's over.

[35:08] 5 years, and counting

[35:09] he said at the meeting

[35:10] wonderful things about that

[35:11] it was beneficial

[35:12] city center.

[35:14] In fact, there was no problems, and that's it really became

[35:17] asset. Not that you

[35:19] definitely must

[35:20] drinking beer while walking,

[35:21] but this is a thing that is certain

[35:22] in a way that reinforces

[35:23] district status, makes

[35:24] its significant, and precisely

[35:25] so I was very happy

[35:26] help when these

[35:27] people turned to

[35:28] with a little help

[35:29] and advice to direct correctly

[35:31] process for the district

[35:32] Sawdust District. Besides,

[35:34] What happened to it?

[35:35] benefit of the city center,

[35:37] I think it's worth it.

[35:38] note that the process

[35:39] implementation of the DORA zone

[35:40] in the center was successful, and

[35:42] city employees and

[35:43] The council at that time was excellent.

[35:44] coped with

[35:45] developing those

[35:46] resolutions. Our experience

[35:48] taken over in Milwaukee,

[35:49] Green Bay, Sturgeon-

[35:50] Bay twice, Nina and po

[35:52] throughout the state, because we

[35:53] were the first and

[35:54] everything was done qualitatively.

[35:55] Like any good

[35:56] strategy if you

[35:57] are you doing something

[35:58] right, great,

[35:59] when is it possible

[36:00] repeat. And this

[36:00] a great example of that, can be repeated.

[36:04] I think everyone knows that

[36:05] for the last

[36:06] decade city

[36:07] Oshkosh has invested a lot

[36:08] time, effort and money

[36:09] in the Sodast District, developing

[36:12] him and involving

[36:13] there business. That's why

[36:14] I was happy to help.

[36:15] when these people

[36:16] contacted

[36:16] request regarding this

[36:17] parts, because it's nice

[36:18] to see how they

[36:19] working together.

[36:20] It's great to see how it is.

[36:21] being implemented, and

[36:22] to watch

[36:23] successful companies

[36:24] who seek

[36:25] they want more

[36:26] cooperate more

[36:27] . As a business owner in

[36:28] downtown Oshkosh, I'll tell you

[36:29] frankly: this is great,

[36:31] because it helps

[36:32] combine Sodast-

[36:33] District with a center

[36:34] cities. I imagine how

[36:36] people stop at

[36:37] hotels and walk

[36:38] to the Fifth District, because

[36:40] this is a great attraction,

[36:41] or from flights,

[36:42] or sometimes on

[36:43] Water Fest festival. It

[36:44] things to do

[36:45] allow, and the matter

[36:46] not only that it is

[36:48] requires keeping

[36:49] drink in hand, but this

[36:50] really changes the essence,

[36:51] isn't that right? This is an advantage

[36:52] , and it's good that we

[36:53] admitted it. Succinctly

[36:56] saying, I hope,

[36:57] this is enough to

[36:58] explain why I think it's good.

[37:00] idea. I hope you

[37:01] Do you think so too?

[37:02] a good idea.

[37:03] Last time

[37:04] it seemed like that was the case.

[37:05] A few moments,

[37:06] similar to the end

[37:08] process with Downtown DORA, and

[37:09] resolution of this

[37:10] evening: people who are

[37:11] proposed—and this

[37:13] Not me, I'm just helping.

[37:14] They invested a lot in them.

[37:15] time and effort in

[37:16] request for hours

[37:17] work and maps, which

[37:19] they offer. They

[37:20] differ from

[37:21] received by you

[37:22] resolutions, and this

[37:22] okay, because I know,

[37:23] that the workers

[37:24] evaluated the request and

[37:25] offered you that, in their opinion,

[37:26] will work. I hope so.

[37:28] the council will consider

[37:28] initial request

[37:30] regarding these two points

[37:31] . So, let's start with

[37:32] hours of work, I hope some of you anyway

[37:35] got acquainted.

[37:35] The incentive here was that

[37:37] what can be visited

[37:38] mainly measures on

[37:39] arena, because it is powerful

[37:40] the driver of events. If

[37:41] to glance at

[37:42] "Herd" calendar,

[37:43] most events,

[37:44] which they conduct,

[37:45] fall outside the limits

[37:46] proposed in

[37:47] your decision

[37:48] hours. So, they have

[37:49] many games in

[37:50] Tuesday, many in

[37:51] Sunday and many

[37:52] daytime matches in

[37:53] Saturday. None of them

[37:54] falls under the scope of

[37:55] resolutions in its current form.

[37:56] Therefore, I hope that

[37:57] during the discussion

[37:58] you will find

[37:59] a little opportunity

[38:00] make changes and

[38:00] remember what these are about

[38:01] people asked from the very beginning. Yet

[38:03] one thing that

[38:04] changed in the process—

[38:05] This is a map. In the proposal

[38:07] from Sawdust County

[38:09] they provided you, by

[38:10] essentially, the county's TIF zone

[38:11] Sodast. And what

[38:14] contributed to your

[38:15] resolutions, a little

[38:16] differs:

[38:17] only remains

[38:18] South Main, and two

[38:19] adjacent

[38:19] enterprises

[38:20] excluded from the district.

[38:22] This also happened with

[38:23] city center. Therefore,

[38:24] the point was that

[38:25] the incentive was

[38:26] to do it simply BID,

[38:27] but there were a few people

[38:28] , who ended up a little

[38:30] outside the BID. And the board on

[38:31] decided at that time that

[38:32] doesn't want to choose

[38:33] winners and

[38:33] defeated for

[38:34] an arbitrary border,

[38:35] so they allowed

[38:36] these people to enter, because

[38:37] Dora is more than BID.

[38:38] Likewise in this

[38:39] case, Dora would be

[38:40] more than just

[38:41] South Maine, because that's how it is

[38:42] and there is. So, apart from that,

[38:44] I hope you have

[38:44] there will be a great discussion.

[38:46] I am interested to hear.

[38:46] everyone else's performances.

[38:47] Thank you for giving me

[38:48] a little opportunity

[38:49] speak. I got in.

[38:50] 5 minutes? We got it.

[38:51] Perfectly. Thank you.

[38:54] Good. Zachary Clark,

[38:56] next—Andrea

[38:57] Rickenberger.

[39:05] Congratulations. I'm Zach Clark,

[39:07] owner and manager

[39:08] Fifth Ward Brewing Company. We

[39:11] almost 11 years have passed

[39:13] therefore, bought

[39:13] real estate, which

[39:15] just kidding. We

[39:17] wanted to take a risk in

[39:19] downtown Oshkosh,

[39:20] southern part

[39:21] center of Oshkosh, where

[39:22] then the district of Sodast still

[39:23] didn't even exist. I

[39:25] ...Buckstaff was still standing. We

[39:27] had a wonderful vision

[39:29] of what it can do

[39:30] become. The only thing we have

[39:32] my business

[39:33] partnered with

[39:34] the first day—we are

[39:35] owners-

[39:36] leaders. So we

[39:38] there every day, day after day

[39:40] . And we can talk

[39:42] about things, as said

[39:43] Chris, whom I call

[39:44] tools in

[39:45] our arsenal, which

[39:47] help us

[39:48] to achieve success. All

[39:50] small businesses

[39:51] pass through

[39:52] difficulties, ups and downs

[39:54] fall. And if we will be able to work

[39:57] together to get

[39:58] these additional

[39:59] tools in our

[40:00] arsenal, it's just

[40:01] will help us achieve

[40:02] success. So, I think

[40:08] that thanks to

[40:09] involving everyone in

[40:10] We found time for the group,

[40:11] to discuss how

[40:13] we all need to unite

[40:14] and make this map. AND

[40:20] really involve everyone

[40:21] to this matter. WITH

[40:26] In view of this, I

[40:27] noticed that on the map,

[40:28] which we made was

[40:30] several large

[40:31] green areas. Being in

[40:36] this area is long

[40:38] time, we also wanted

[40:39] to help the city and

[40:40] to see the future

[40:41] growth. And this

[40:43] would mean that you

[40:44] discover more

[40:45] enterprises that,

[40:46] in turn,

[40:47] will help you

[40:48] get more

[40:49] income. So that things go well

[40:51] further developed.

[40:53] So we would really like to,

[40:55] so that this initial

[40:56] the map was embodied in

[40:57] life. Besides,

[41:01] the arena is also

[41:02] a huge factor

[41:03] for those hours of work,

[41:04] which we ask for.

[41:09] I remember before COVID

[41:10] business was booming, everything

[41:12] It was great, people.

[41:13] visited these

[41:14] establishments, went to eat.

[41:17] Grainery has always been

[41:17] filled, we always

[41:19] were busy. Came

[41:20] COVID, times are changing.

[41:23] Of course, the industry

[41:24] hospitality now

[41:25] passes through

[41:26] certain changes. I see this.

[41:28] as a person who also

[41:29] travels the state and

[41:30] sells our beer. I

[41:35] visited 400 different

[41:36] bars only this year

[41:38] and I can say that

[41:39] consumer culture

[41:40] a little drink

[41:41] changes, it becomes

[41:42] more responsible

[41:44] . That's why I don't see

[41:48] no problems at all

[41:49] in this regard, especially

[41:50] on our territory,

[41:51] where we try

[41:52] to navigate more

[41:54] for events and family

[41:55] rest. This is it.

[41:56] what we see. So

[41:58] no late nights.

[42:01] We would be very grateful.

[42:03] get those

[42:03] extended hours

[42:04] the works we are talking about

[42:06] asked first.

[42:10] Thank you.

[42:13] Okay, Andrea, continue.

[42:14] Maria.

[42:20] Good evening, members.

[42:21] city council. Me

[42:22] My name is Andrea.

[42:23] Reifenberger, I

[42:24] owner of the Flights club

[42:26] Wine and Cocktail Club, which

[42:27] located behind

[42:28] at South Main-

[42:29] Street, 607, in the district

[42:30] Sodast. I am here.

[42:31] today as the owner

[42:32] business and participant

[42:33] entertaining

[42:34] community of the district

[42:35] Sodast, groups

[42:35] enterprises

[42:36] The southern side, which

[42:37] working together to

[42:38] strengthen and

[42:39] develop this part

[42:40] the city center, which

[42:41] quickly

[42:41] is developing. I want to express my

[42:43] full support

[42:44] creation in the center

[42:45] cities zones for

[42:46] just relax

[42:47] heaven, DORA. Determined

[42:48] the recreation area is

[42:49] not just convenience,

[42:50] this is a tool

[42:51] economic

[42:52] development, which

[42:52] helps to create

[42:53] brighter,

[42:54] hospitable, comfortable

[42:55] for pedestrians and

[42:56] competitive

[42:57] city center. WITH

[42:58] business perspective

[42:59] The advantages are obvious.

[43:00] Magnification

[43:01] pedestrian traffic:

[43:02] DORA encourages people

[43:03] to move freely

[43:04] between shops,

[43:05] restaurants and

[43:06] entertaining

[43:06] institutions, longer

[43:07] stay in the center

[43:08] cities and more

[43:09] spend on the spot.

[43:11] Support for the field

[43:12] hospitality and

[43:13] events. This gives

[43:14] visitors

[43:14] possibility

[43:15] enjoy

[43:16] drinks during live

[43:17] performances, fairs and

[43:18] public gatherings,

[43:20] that strengthens our center

[43:21] cities. Our

[43:22] identity of the center

[43:23] city, sorry.

[43:24] Conformity

[43:25] modern centers

[43:26] bridge. Communities by

[43:27] throughout Wisconsin and

[43:28] Midwest

[43:29] successfully implemented

[43:30] recreation areas with

[43:31] clear protocols

[43:32] safety and

[43:33] responsible

[43:33] management.

[43:34] Southern part

[43:35] main street

[43:36] Oshkosh deserves

[43:37] to be among them

[43:38] . I also want

[43:39] to pay attention to

[43:40] recent changes to

[43:41] proposed map

[43:42] . Update as

[43:43] Zach noted,

[43:43] updated map

[43:44] excludes the quarter where

[43:45] located "Hoogies",

[43:46] quarter, including

[43:48] big, not enough

[43:49] used green

[43:50] space. Sorry. This

[43:52] the territory is one of

[43:53] the most significant

[43:54] opportunities for

[43:55] reconstruction in

[43:56] Sodast district.

[43:57] Excluding her from the zone

[43:58] rest affects

[43:59] not only for the current one

[44:00] business, but also reduces

[44:01] future

[44:02] economic

[44:03] the city's potential. If

[44:04] the developer wanted

[44:05] invest in this

[44:06] quarter, adding

[44:07] retail trade,

[44:08] hotel business,

[44:09] multifunctional

[44:10] space or new

[44:11] anchor object,

[44:12] staying within

[44:13] recreation areas were

[44:14] would be a significant incentive.

[44:15] Excluding her, we

[44:16] unintentionally doing

[44:17] reconstruction less

[44:18] attractive and

[44:18] we limit the potential

[44:20] this quarter for

[44:21] Oshkosh. Our

[44:21] cooperation firmly

[44:22] convinced that

[44:23] original map

[44:24] better supports

[44:25] long-term

[44:26] growth, encourages

[44:27] investments and

[44:27] keeps in touch

[44:28] Sodast district with

[44:29] the rest of the city center.

[44:30] Original card—

[44:31] this is the version that

[44:32] the district prepares the best

[44:33] Sodast and the city center

[44:35] in general to

[44:35] future success. I would also like to ask for advice

[44:38] view hours

[44:39] DORA works that we

[44:40] first

[44:41] proposed. Arena

[44:42] holds events 7

[44:43] days a week, uh

[44:44] concerts, games,

[44:45] exhibitions and

[44:46] community programs,

[44:47] and these measures are not

[44:48] adhere to

[44:49] typical schedule that

[44:50] limits economic

[44:51] visitor impact

[44:52] arenas and reduces

[44:53] stability of experience

[44:55] in the city center. Area

[44:57] Sodast quickly

[44:58] is changing. We invest,

[45:00] cooperate and

[45:01] We are increasing the pace. We just ask that

[45:03] city plan

[45:04] reflected this

[45:05] growth and not

[45:06] restricted him

[45:07] inadvertently. Thank you.

[45:08] for your time, your attention

[45:10] and your constant

[45:11] support local

[45:12] business community

[45:13] Oshkosh.

[45:14] Thank you. Anne Marie.

[45:21] Good evening. I am Maria.

[45:22] Turner. I am a manager with

[45:24] marketing and

[45:25] sales at Oshkosh Arena.

[45:26] Thank you, council members, for

[45:27] opportunity to speak

[45:28] tonight

[45:29] regarding the proposed

[45:30] recreation areas on

[45:31] outdoors

[45:32] for the Sodast district. I

[45:34] here on behalf of "VenueWorks

[45:35] of Oshkosh,

[45:36] managerial

[45:37] arena teams to express our

[45:39] support for the DORA project

[45:40] for the Sodast district in its original form,

[45:43] including how

[45:44] suggested hours

[45:46] open from 11:00 to 22:00, 7

[45:47] days a week, and

[45:48] initially

[45:49] proposed boundaries

[45:50] district. Allow

[45:52] first contact

[45:53] schedule issue

[45:53] work. When our

[45:54] partners with Sawdust District

[45:56] Entertainment Collaborative

[45:57] developed this

[45:58] offer, these hours

[45:59] were not elected

[46:00] arbitrarily. They were elected

[46:01] because they

[46:02] reflect how

[46:03] actually a business,

[46:04] events and visitors

[46:05] use the area

[46:07] Sodast. Although we understand the intention

[46:09] follow the center

[46:11] the city of S'Dora, we

[46:11] respectfully note

[46:13] that we are different. Oshkosh Arena—

[46:15] it is year-round

[46:16] entertaining

[46:17] a place where many

[46:18] events are taking place

[46:19] outside the limits

[46:20] traditional time

[46:21] after 5:00 PM or only at

[46:23] weekend. For example,

[46:24] according to the proposal

[46:26] city services, 12 games

[46:27] "Wisconsin Herd" in

[46:28] next season

[46:30] will fall outside

[46:31] limits permitted in this

[46:32] offers of days and

[46:33] hours. This is half.

[46:35] home games. These

[46:37] games attract

[46:38] thousands of visitors

[46:39] to the area to

[46:40] have dinner,

[46:40] to meet and

[46:41] support local

[46:42] business before and after

[46:43] matches. Actually,

[46:45] Chamber of Commerce

[46:46] Oshkosha is conservative

[46:48] estimates that every game

[46:50] brings 100,000

[46:51] dollars of income

[46:52] Oshkosh, including 21%

[46:53] expenses at local

[46:55] bars and restaurants, 7%

[46:56] —for retail

[46:57] trade and 5%—on

[46:59] hotels and accommodation.

[47:01] Dora Hours Restrictions

[47:02] during the Gerd games

[47:03] limits exactly that

[47:04] economic

[47:05] activity that this

[47:06] the initiative is called

[47:07] encourage. Besides

[47:09] games "Gerd", we hold public

[47:11] measures that

[47:12] start early

[47:13] in the morning and continue

[47:14] throughout the day.

[47:15] Annual events such as

[47:16] like Wisconsin

[47:17] dartball tournament and

[47:18] Wisconsin

[47:19] arm wrestling tournament,

[47:20] by the way, it's both

[47:21] state tournaments, there are

[47:22] events throughout the day.

[47:24] Participants and spectators

[47:25] arrive in the morning and

[47:26] continue

[47:27] enjoy

[47:28] district until the evening. That

[47:30] exactly what can be said

[47:31] about the UWO Winter Classic,

[47:32] which often falls on

[47:34] Sunday and Monday

[47:35] during the holidays

[47:36] vacation. Other events,

[47:38] such as an exhibition

[47:39] comics and toys

[47:40] QuadCon, every year

[47:41] attracts about 1,100

[47:43] people. Winter market

[47:44] Oshkosh farmers

[47:45] visits every week from

[47:47] 800 to 1200 people. And different

[47:49] car shows that we

[47:50] conducted during

[47:51] the last two years,

[47:53] collect about 200

[47:54] people for each show, and

[47:55] also start at

[47:57] 1:00 PM on Saturday. Concerts

[47:59] also represent

[48:00] a unique reality

[48:01] . Concert time

[48:03] is determined

[48:03] touring

[48:04] artists' schedules

[48:05] and schedule

[48:06] promoters. We are not

[48:08] we choose, it falls to

[48:10] this is for Wednesday, Thursday

[48:11] or Sunday. We use

[48:14] opportunities when

[48:15] artists travel

[48:16] through our region.

[48:18] Because of these and other

[48:19] Oshkosh Arena events are not

[48:20] exclusively by the platform

[48:22] for the weekend, as well as not

[48:23] is purely evening

[48:24] institution. Events

[48:25] occur then,

[48:26] when arise

[48:27] opportunities, and mode

[48:28] work must be

[48:29] structured so that

[48:30] to support this

[48:31] reality. Me too

[48:32] I would like to briefly

[48:33] to stop at

[48:34] proposed

[48:35] changes in zone boundaries. We

[48:36] respectfully request

[48:38] Council to include Hogie's Bar

[48:39] and Evil Roy Slades. Hogie's is

[48:41] part of the district

[48:43] Sodast. What else

[48:44] more importantly, MAD was

[48:45] active participant

[48:47] formation and

[48:48] development of SDEC. Next to

[48:51] Hogie's, like many

[48:52] noted, there is a large

[48:53] vacant lot that

[48:54] has a significant

[48:55] potential for

[48:56] future development.

[48:58] Excluding this zone

[48:59] today looks like

[49:00] inconsistent with

[49:01] long-term

[49:02] vision of the future

[49:03] growth and

[49:04] development of the region.

[49:05] Both companies

[49:07] participated in

[49:07] discussions,

[49:08] invested time and

[49:09] supported the idea

[49:10] creation

[49:11] integrated

[49:12] entertainment district

[49:13] . They deserve it.

[49:15] for inclusion. One

[49:17] of the greatest advantages

[49:19] SDEC had a spirit of cooperation.

[49:22] Companies that could

[49:23] easy to work with

[49:24] regardless, instead

[49:26] chose a common

[49:27] work to create

[49:28] something bigger than us

[49:29] themselves. Our vision

[49:31] for DORA—it's not just "

[49:33] let people drink

[49:34] outside". This is "

[49:36] let's use

[49:37] controlled

[49:37] entertainment district

[49:39] in the open air, so that

[49:40] increase flow

[49:40] pedestrians, leading to

[49:42] longer visits

[49:42] customers. Longer

[49:44] customer visits

[49:45] lead to

[49:46] more quantity

[49:47] transactions in the field

[49:47] food, drinks and

[49:49] retail trade.

[49:50] Larger quantity

[49:51] transactions supported

[49:52] stronger business,

[49:53] higher demand for

[49:54] commercial spaces and

[49:55] additional private

[49:56] investments. And over time

[49:58] this can help

[49:59] expansion

[50:00] tax base and

[50:01] bigger

[50:02] economic

[50:02] growth for all

[50:04] city of Oshkosh. Of these

[50:06] reasons we respectfully

[50:07] please advise

[50:08] approve DORA in the Sawdust area with

[50:11] working hours from 11:00

[50:12] until 22:00, 7 days a week, and beyond that

[50:15] include Hogies and Eloise

[50:17] Slate's. Our request regarding

[50:19] DORA reflects how

[50:20] this area works

[50:21] today, at the same time

[50:22] preparing for

[50:23] growth tomorrow. It

[50:26] supports sports

[50:28] events, tournaments,

[50:28] concerts, local

[50:30] business, opportunities

[50:31] for the future

[50:32] development and strengthens

[50:33] entertaining

[50:34] direction for residents

[50:35] and guests of Oshkosh.

[50:38] Thank you for

[50:39] consideration and yours

[50:40] ongoing support

[50:42] Sawdust district in general

[50:43] and Oshkosh Arena

[50:44] in particular.

[50:46] Thank you. Is anyone else?

[50:48] wants to express himself/herself

[50:50] about this? OK

[50:52] . Because those who want

[50:53] no, please enter

[50:53] proposal and

[50:54] to support her so that

[50:54] to take it to

[50:55] discussion.

[50:55] I support.

[50:56] Second.

[50:57] OK. Council member

[50:58] Stevenson, behind him—

[50:59] Councilman Rasslinger.

[51:01] Yes, I support this with

[51:03] from the very beginning. Very

[51:04] glad to see how

[51:05] this group is forming

[51:07] Sawdust district. I think we

[51:09] here sometimes we forget in

[51:10] discussions that for

[51:12] the work of our districts

[51:13] interested parties needed

[51:14] people. I believe that

[51:16] the city can invest

[51:17] as much as you want

[51:18] funds to the district. But

[51:20] if we don't have

[51:20] such active people,

[51:22] how do you do that

[51:22] continue this

[51:23] case, the district suffers

[51:24] failures. And I think that

[51:26] your involvement

[51:27] thus will do

[51:28] Sawdust district successful.

[51:30] So I'm very glad that

[51:31] you are united, DORA I am

[51:32] I support it, but this

[51:34] the organization as a whole,

[51:35] in my opinion, it will be

[51:37] secret

[51:37] ingredient for success

[51:39] Sawdust district. Well, a few

[51:41] questions for staff.

[51:43] I understand what is needed.

[51:44] to coordinate hours with

[51:45] city center. I think

[51:46] this was the reason for that

[51:48] to not do them

[51:49] different, but on the map

[51:50] a little unclear: whether

[51:51] there was a justification

[51:52] why we

[51:53] excluded several of these

[51:54] neighborhoods?

[51:56] So, regarding the exceptions,

[51:57] I spoke to

[51:58] police officer

[51:59] department, and I don't know,

[52:00] Is Dean here too?

[52:01] tonight, but

[52:02] I believe that the reasoning

[52:04] regarding 7th and 8th streets

[52:05] consisted in the fact that this

[52:06] more residential areas.

[52:08] And, let's say, I don't know.

[52:10] regarding what on

[52:11] south of 14th, is that it?

[52:12] simply because we don't

[52:14] saw the needs, is it

[52:15] residential area. Um, I know about the green zone,

[52:19] about which today

[52:21] mentioned in conversation

[52:22] with director Koski. I think she is

[52:25] allocated under

[52:26] residential development

[52:27] mixed type. So

[52:29] again, this is the area

[52:30] 7th and 8th streets on

[52:31] west of South

[52:32] Main Street. I think

[52:34] that this was ruled out,

[52:35] again, because

[52:36] it seemed like this

[52:37] more residential area.

[52:39] And again, the 14th

[52:40] street, I think we

[52:41] stopped there because

[52:42] it encompassed what we considered an arena

[52:45] and adjacent

[52:46] territories.

[52:49] Is that true, Dean? You are not

[52:51] wanted to add anything

[52:52] or...Although you don't mind

[52:54] no need. I just

[52:55] wanted to give you

[52:56] possibility. I thought:

[52:59] or call him,

[53:00] or not. Solve

[53:02] you.

[53:04] I was not there during

[53:05] initial

[53:06] discussion,

[53:07] because I was in

[53:08] vacation, but again

[53:09] looking at the maps,

[53:10] I think that from the point of view of

[53:11] police officer

[53:12] department we can

[53:13] support the map as

[53:15] was proposed.

[53:17] Um, and work with that.

[53:19] And if there are

[53:20] any problems, we will get back to you,

[53:22] to adjust

[53:23] map. But, based on

[53:26] in our experience

[53:27] working with DORA on

[53:28] north side,

[53:29] I think we can do this.

[53:30] to support.

[53:32] OK. And that's nice.

[53:33] hear. Apparently mine...and me

[53:35] thank you for this explanation

[53:37] about how you

[53:38] Did they change the map or something?

[53:39] like this, but I want

[53:40] to make sure that we

[53:42] included Slides and Hogies.

[53:43] They were one of the

[53:44] founders of this

[53:46] organization, and along

[53:47] this section 7th

[53:48] the streets, I think, everything

[53:49] mainly commercial

[53:50] , or, I think,

[53:51] completely commercial.

[53:52] In addition, perhaps we

[53:54] Let's touch a little.

[53:55] residential development here

[53:56] and there. So I won't.

[53:57] make edits now,

[53:58] because I want us to be able to

[54:00] continue the conversation,

[54:01] but I would consider it

[54:02] amendment so that either

[54:03] save the original,

[54:04] or somehow

[54:05] make sure that these

[54:06] two institutions included.

[54:09] Well, besides, do you have any thoughts on

[54:12] work schedule? So,

[54:14] understanding that we

[54:15] wanted to reflect

[54:16] city center and district

[54:17] Sawdust, I'm leaning towards

[54:18] in order to contribute

[54:19] changes to the city center

[54:21] according to them. I would

[54:22] wanted extended

[54:23] work schedule for both

[54:24] cases. I believe that

[54:25] they must match.

[54:27] But I understand the logic.

[54:28] the desire to make them

[54:29] the same. "The Herd"

[54:30] will become huge

[54:31] economic driver

[54:32] for this, and I think,

[54:33] if we exclude

[54:33] The Herd opening hours,

[54:34] it will hurt them. Therefore,

[54:36] Do you have any thoughts?

[54:37] regarding the extended

[54:38] graphics?

[54:40] During the initial

[54:41] conversations about the initial

[54:43] DORA main

[54:43] the problem was

[54:44] farmers market, which

[54:46] was held on Saturday, and

[54:47] we deliberately didn't want to make DORA part of

[54:50] this because

[54:50] diverse people,

[54:52] who roam around

[54:53] farmers market.

[54:56] So, that was it.

[54:57] the main factor

[54:58] this. I really have

[55:00] no answer for

[55:01] you, because I don't

[55:02] I remember why others

[55:03] days were not included

[55:05] before that. But

[55:06] the main problem

[55:07] was exactly the farmer's

[55:08] market. So this is the question

[55:12] sequences,

[55:13] related to

[55:14] provision

[55:15] execution, and we

[55:16] potentially we can

[55:17] create a negative

[55:18] influence, if not

[55:19] let's reflect the hours

[55:20] the north side, where

[55:22] you force the officers

[55:23] to try to understand

[55:24] , what time is it and

[55:25] What day is it today, and

[55:26] it...

[55:29] They just have to be the same.

[55:31] Of course. And right here

[55:32] our home

[55:33] concern

[55:34] would be in time

[55:35] farmers market.

[55:36] Of course. And regarding this,

[55:37] I don't want to change.

[55:39] hours today, but

[55:40] I think we should

[55:41] continue the conversation

[55:42] about the extended

[55:43] schedule for both

[55:44] cases. But, apparently,

[55:46] not now, I think. I pass on the word. These are mine.

[55:49] main concerns

[55:51] at the moment. Member

[55:52] Wrestling tips here.

[55:54] Thank you, deputy.

[55:55] mayor. Well, good job.

[55:56] people who came out and

[55:58] performed. Um,

[55:59] former council member

[56:01] Larson was 100%

[56:02] right. And as the owner

[56:05] business there, he knows,

[56:07] that this program was

[56:08] very successful. Um, me too

[56:11] I think it's great when

[56:12] the government can do

[56:14] something successful, and for that

[56:15] no need to pay.

[56:18] This is good, and we have achieved

[56:19] success. So, you know,

[56:21] it's essentially the same

[56:23] program on another

[56:24] side of the bridge. There is time

[56:26] is different.

[56:28] It is obvious that

[56:29] geographical area

[56:30] a little different. I support that one.

[56:34] time period,

[56:35] which was submitted. IN

[56:38] I have a question for you.

[56:39] city employees. I

[56:44] , of course, like you all

[56:45] you know, I appreciate, respect and

[56:47] I respect your opinions,

[56:48] when certain things arise

[56:49] question, but I'm somewhat

[56:51] upset that how

[56:52] I am not a council member.

[56:53] received a card that

[56:54] people submitted, and what

[56:55] they wanted here

[56:56] see. So I could

[57:01] to make a decision

[57:03] regarding whether it is appropriate

[57:04] or not. I don't.

[57:05] received. And although I don't

[57:08] I agree with this, I think.

[57:10] what you are saying

[57:11] reasonable argument

[57:12] about why this is

[57:13] was done, but in the future if

[57:15] the council will receive

[57:17] all this information, I think it will be good.

[57:19] idea. So, as said

[57:24] Councilman Stevenson,

[57:25] who would like to contribute

[57:26] proposal to mark the time, as it is

[57:33] people did that

[57:34] performed, and the map, I suppose that would be

[57:37] from 7th Street to what?

[57:41] Oregon, I think.

[57:42] probably it would be mine

[57:43] assumption. Can

[57:45] someone give me a map

[57:46] that you

[57:47] Yes, I am.

[57:49] M-hm.

[57:51] Can you bring this up?

[57:52] Scott's screen, or not?

[57:54] Yes, Scott is there.

[57:56] OK. Yes.

[57:58] that doesn't work.

[57:59] Sorry.

[58:00] Oh. You make me so

[58:01] excited. Yes,

[58:04] Can I just

[58:05] Yes, you can.

[58:06] We will pass this on quickly.

[58:08] .

[58:08] Thank you.

[58:08] Take one. It

[58:09] good.

[58:10] Well, yes. And while this

[58:11] happening, Chris, I mean, if we

[58:14] let's take it today

[58:15] in the evening, and I hope we do.

[58:16] let's do it, with

[58:17] extended hours

[58:18] if people from

[58:19] north side

[58:20] will want to expand

[58:21] your schedule or something

[58:22] other, I completely

[58:23] I support the consideration

[58:24] this question. If there is

[58:26] some other measures,

[58:27] which we miss on

[58:28] north side,

[58:30] let's change that. I

[58:32] completely for it. I'm fighting.

[58:35] I bet you're in favor. Therefore,

[58:37] let's see what else is in

[58:38] Was I there? Wait.

[58:40] Give me one.

[58:41] a second. Yes-yes-yes-yes.

[58:46] I think that's almost all.

[58:50] So, again,

[58:51] who wants to give this...

[58:52] so it would be simple

[58:53] implementation of the submitted

[58:55] hours and geographical

[58:56] cards. And I think,

[58:59] Scott is going

[59:01] You filled it out perfectly.

[59:02] time.

[59:02] Yes, I know. I am constantly weaving.

[59:04] nonsense.

[59:05] Oh, great. She

[59:06] upside down

[59:07] another.

[59:07] Here. Don't take yours.

[59:11] salary at the end

[59:12] month, Scott.

[59:16] I don't support this.

[59:20] Okay, so.

[59:22] OK. OK. I see

[59:28] . It... doesn't matter. It

[59:31] normally.

[59:33] Well, but isn't it included?

[59:34] then before that the fifth

[59:35] district or not? Mhm.

[59:37] Really?

[59:38] So, let me give you

[59:39] I'll show you quickly, because

[59:40] So yes, it works here.

[59:42] . I seem to have passed by

[59:43] this side

[59:44] Oh yes.

[59:46] These are all businesses

[59:47] on Main Street, and

[59:48] technically a district

[59:49] The soda is stretching

[59:50] straight up

[59:51] Nebraska. So

[59:51] technically he's going here

[59:53] . But this is where we are

[59:54] only one was included

[59:56] additional quarter and

[59:57] went across the bridge. So

[59:59] technically where

[1:00:00] the city draws a border,

[1:00:02] Sodast district is simple

[1:00:03] extends here.

[1:00:05] And I think on the 7th

[1:00:07] , as it is drawn

[1:00:08] , isn't there only

[1:00:09] one house that would

[1:00:11] Did that bother you?

[1:00:11] I don't even know if there is

[1:00:13] at least one.

[1:00:13] There is one on 7th Street

[1:00:15] house.

[1:00:15] Yes. Okay, questions.

[1:00:18] no more.

[1:00:19] A council member speaks.

[1:00:21] Spendlove.

[1:00:22] Thank you for that. This is also

[1:00:24] was mine, probably

[1:00:25] question. Just like that

[1:00:26] , I think, in

[1:00:27] future

[1:00:28] receive documents

[1:00:29] to check with them

[1:00:30] , it would be good if I

[1:00:32] could understand; I

[1:00:33] tried

[1:00:33] to figure out while

[1:00:34] others said, and

[1:00:35] I apologize for that.

[1:00:37] , which got a little distracted.

[1:00:38] I tried to find

[1:00:39] original

[1:00:40] documentation. Therefore,

[1:00:42] this is useful. I think,

[1:00:46] if the boss or

[1:00:47] there is no one else

[1:00:49] objections, then I don't

[1:00:50] I have problems with the map.

[1:00:51] , proposed on

[1:00:52] based on these

[1:00:53] initial boundaries. I know.

[1:00:59] I am calling you.

[1:01:00] again. Yes. I call

[1:01:02] you again.

[1:01:03] As long as he fits,

[1:01:04] I will say for the council members

[1:01:05] who have access to

[1:01:06] internet and

[1:01:07] the computer that I provided

[1:01:08] you the card you can view

[1:01:10] locally.

[1:01:11] OK. Thank you.

[1:01:12] And again, as

[1:01:13] it was said before,

[1:01:14] regarding the map itself, in

[1:01:16] there are none of us

[1:01:16] remarks. If

[1:01:17] concerns have arisen

[1:01:18] , we would return to

[1:01:19] you and they said that this

[1:01:20] problem for us on

[1:01:21] this map. I would like

[1:01:22] say,

[1:01:23] returning to

[1:01:24] hours, which for

[1:01:25] law enforcement

[1:01:25] organs incredibly

[1:01:27] important

[1:01:27] sequence. When is

[1:01:31] controversial sections,

[1:01:32] this can create

[1:01:33] a situation where we

[1:01:39] stop someone for

[1:01:40] something, and it's really

[1:01:41] legal action, but

[1:01:42] because we are on

[1:01:44] different banks of the river,

[1:01:45] a conflict arises.

[1:01:49] Therefore, for our

[1:01:50] there would be officers

[1:01:51] it is useful to create

[1:01:52] some consistency

[1:01:53] between them, and perhaps

[1:01:55] we can

[1:01:55] to offer something

[1:01:56] other, excluding

[1:01:57] working hours

[1:01:58] farmers market in

[1:01:59] Saturday, which is

[1:02:00] the main factor in

[1:02:01] these hours for us,

[1:02:03] through all the people,

[1:02:04] which are affected

[1:02:05] farmer's market.

[1:02:08] Mhm. Yes, I definitely am.

[1:02:12] I hear and appreciate your

[1:02:13] remarks on

[1:02:14] sequence, boss.

[1:02:16] You know, when I was sitting

[1:02:18] here I listened to people,

[1:02:19] who talked about it,

[1:02:20] I thought we had

[1:02:21] there are different companies

[1:02:23] with different

[1:02:23] circumstances that

[1:02:24] work for something

[1:02:25] a different schedule,

[1:02:26] are holding events in

[1:02:28] different times and in different places

[1:02:29] days that were remembered

[1:02:30] former council member

[1:02:31] Larson and others. So,

[1:02:35] I don't think I have yet.

[1:02:37] I completely understand that.

[1:02:38] to do with hours

[1:02:39] work. Therefore, as well as

[1:02:43] others, I'm ready

[1:02:44] listen to additional

[1:02:46] comments or opinions.

[1:02:49] Councilman Stevenson.

[1:02:52] If any of the members

[1:02:53] advice...Do you have any?

[1:02:55] thoughts? Otherwise I

[1:02:56] I'll accept any of them.

[1:02:58] OK. I will submit now.

[1:03:01] amendment so that...I don't

[1:03:02] I know exactly what I want.

[1:03:03] leave the original

[1:03:05] Sawdust map. This has

[1:03:07] sense?

[1:03:08] Mhm. That's it.

[1:03:09] Include this in

[1:03:10] resolution. So, what

[1:03:13] concerning hours

[1:03:14] work, I am again

[1:03:15] I think we should

[1:03:16] discuss this again.

[1:03:18] I think it's worth it.

[1:03:18] consider both

[1:03:19] options. We should

[1:03:20] to talk about the center too

[1:03:21] cities, and about Sawdust

[1:03:22] simultaneously. AND,

[1:03:23] returning to words

[1:03:24] boss, if we

[1:03:24] Let's approve it today.

[1:03:25] in the evening, then the situation

[1:03:26] in the city center will be

[1:03:27] differ from Sawdust

[1:03:28] . And I think that's exactly what you are.

[1:03:30] trying to say.

[1:03:31] So, in any

[1:03:32] in that case, I will now enter

[1:03:33] amendment to the map.

[1:03:34] OK.

[1:03:35] I support. Interpreter

[1:03:37] this is like a proposal

[1:03:38] to make an amendment.

[1:03:39] Yes, sorry.

[1:03:40] Accept card in such a way as

[1:03:42] applied.

[1:03:43] Yes.

[1:03:43] OK. Are there any

[1:03:45] discussion of this

[1:03:46] amendments? Okay, if

[1:03:48] no, please

[1:03:49] take a roll call

[1:03:50] vote on

[1:03:50] of this amendment.

[1:03:51] Lefebvre.

[1:03:52] By.

[1:03:52] Esslinger.

[1:03:53] By.

[1:03:53] Spielbauer.

[1:03:54] By.

[1:03:55] Amos.

[1:03:55] By.

[1:03:56] Buhler.

[1:03:56] By.

[1:03:57] Stevenson.

[1:03:57] By.

[1:03:58] Six against zero.

[1:03:59] Okay, the offer from

[1:04:00] changes under consideration.

[1:04:04] I want to ask whether

[1:04:06] possible to view

[1:04:07] both options and

[1:04:08] update them, because if

[1:04:10] this will pass, we have

[1:04:11] both will work. AND

[1:04:15] it's not that important...

[1:04:16] that is, it is important, but we can leave

[1:04:18] hours like

[1:04:19] they are there now, and you

[1:04:20] later present

[1:04:22] us suggestions regarding

[1:04:23] clock adjustment

[1:04:24] for both districts. It

[1:04:26] right?

[1:04:28] Of course we can.

[1:04:29] Yes.

[1:04:29] Good. So, this is not

[1:04:31] correction, it's simple

[1:04:33] request. Are there any more?

[1:04:35] discussion on this

[1:04:36] question? So, we

[1:04:38] let's take this with a new

[1:04:39] map and the indicated

[1:04:41] for hours, what will happen

[1:04:42] to meet the schedule

[1:04:43] in the city center. Exactly

[1:04:45] this is the instruction.

[1:04:47] Council member Resler.

[1:04:48] Thank you. Em. I want to,

[1:04:52] so that we can establish those

[1:04:54] the hours they

[1:04:55] proposed. This is what suits them. I am

[1:04:58] I will not buy.

[1:04:59] spare parts for «

[1:05:00] Chevrolet, if I have

[1:05:02] "Ford". Of course? Um,

[1:05:05] they are held

[1:05:06] measures. Good events

[1:05:11] here on South Main-

[1:05:12] street They have another one

[1:05:15] work schedule. It

[1:05:16] a completely different matter,

[1:05:18] if you want. So they have

[1:05:20] there is an organization. They

[1:05:21] gathered together. It

[1:05:22] what suits them.

[1:05:24] Mr. Larson is here. Others from

[1:05:26] northern part

[1:05:28] this is for sure

[1:05:30] understand that we are here

[1:05:32] we do. And if they want such hours...A

[1:05:35] Mr. Larson now

[1:05:36] actively nodding

[1:05:37] head. So let's focus on,

[1:05:40] What are these people doing?

[1:05:41] tonight.

[1:05:43] Let's make sure that this

[1:05:45] It suits them. I am not

[1:05:47] I want to install

[1:05:48] suitable hours

[1:05:49] to someone else, but not

[1:05:51] suit them. So,

[1:05:54] I think, at this time

[1:05:55] I would like to have a moment.

[1:05:56] to make an edit to

[1:05:57] hours given

[1:05:58] organization, became

[1:05:59] in the hours that we use for

[1:06:02] this

[1:06:02] self-service,

[1:06:04] or whatever you call it.

[1:06:08] I support this.

[1:06:10] Good. So, this edit

[1:06:12] under consideration. Are there any more?

[1:06:13] any discussions?

[1:06:16] Councilman LaFeber.

[1:06:18] I think we already

[1:06:19] gave an instruction

[1:06:20] staff

[1:06:20] come back to us with

[1:06:22] proposal regarding

[1:06:23] time coordination.

[1:06:26] Herd season

[1:06:27] only begins

[1:06:28] in November. I have on

[1:06:30] mind how fast you

[1:06:31] can you provide us

[1:06:32] respond?

[1:06:35] I think it would be good.

[1:06:36] to contact some

[1:06:38] enterprises in this

[1:06:39] area, talk to

[1:06:40] improvement center

[1:06:41] business. Council

[1:06:44] recently adopted

[1:06:45] certain regulations

[1:06:46] acts, and I believe that

[1:06:47] we should think

[1:06:49] about their impact on

[1:06:50] extension of hours

[1:06:51] work in the north

[1:06:52] part. So we,

[1:06:55] certainly could

[1:06:56] provide information

[1:06:57] Sometime in October. We can provide

[1:07:02] schedule, but we can also add

[1:07:05] a note with our

[1:07:06] remarks or

[1:07:07] considerations that

[1:07:08] should be taken into account.

[1:07:13] Just, you know, I think we should

[1:07:15] to approach carefully

[1:07:17] to expansion,

[1:07:17] considering our

[1:07:18] experience with others

[1:07:19] situations in others

[1:07:21] districts.

[1:07:24] Perfectly.

[1:07:25] So, October.

[1:07:26] Good.

[1:07:27] Probably on the second

[1:07:28] meeting.

[1:07:29] Yes, I think so.

[1:07:30] Personally, I won't.

[1:07:31] to support this

[1:07:32] editing. It's not that I don't

[1:07:35] supported this

[1:07:36] initiative, not

[1:07:37] take it that way. Ahem,

[1:07:42] I really like it.

[1:07:43] like this one

[1:07:44] project, but I agree with

[1:07:45] city manager:

[1:07:47] we should be careful

[1:07:48] to fit the schedule

[1:07:49] work, and I know that

[1:07:50] in many ways it is

[1:07:51] related to the season, and

[1:07:52] the first game will be at home

[1:07:54] only in November.

[1:07:59] So, I think that in

[1:08:00] We have a little time to

[1:08:01] work out the details

[1:08:03] regarding working hours,

[1:08:04] simultaneously

[1:08:05] having provided

[1:08:06] consistency between

[1:08:07] both DORA. Therefore I do not

[1:08:10] I will support this.

[1:08:12] correction now.

[1:08:16] Councilman Rimer,

[1:08:18] Um, I think we should

[1:08:20] move on with those

[1:08:21] hours that were

[1:08:22] presented

[1:08:23] today for

[1:08:23] south side, and

[1:08:25] in the future

[1:08:25] to hold another one

[1:08:26] a conversation about hours

[1:08:27] for the northern

[1:08:28] sides. And I think,

[1:08:32] what would it be for me

[1:08:33] the best way

[1:08:34] today. We provide

[1:08:36] business owners,

[1:08:37] what they want—that

[1:08:38] who is in the north

[1:08:39] side, and then

[1:08:40] we will be able

[1:08:41] analyze whether there is

[1:08:42] this is the best step

[1:08:43] for her. I just wanted to share yours

[1:08:47] thoughts on this

[1:08:48] reason.

[1:08:48] Well, I'll share.

[1:08:50] their own. I think with this

[1:08:52] correction now

[1:08:53] there is a risk: while

[1:08:54] you are walking across the bridge,

[1:08:56] your actions can become

[1:08:57] from the legal ones

[1:08:58] illegal because

[1:08:59] difference in graphs. AND

[1:09:04] I believe that

[1:09:05] provide

[1:09:06] doing this is not

[1:09:07] very responsibly.

[1:09:10] Educational work

[1:09:11] regarding this also there is no

[1:09:12] responsible. Me

[1:09:13] it would be difficult to explain

[1:09:14] people: "Okay, here you are

[1:09:15] can you do this in

[1:09:16] Tuesday, but here—no,

[1:09:18] "Although here it is possible."

[1:09:20] Because now we are talking

[1:09:21] It's about the amendment.

[1:09:25] I will just say that I support the consideration

[1:09:27] graphics for everything

[1:09:28] district as the only DORA-

[1:09:30] district, not several

[1:09:31] individual. And I bow.

[1:09:35] so that the graphs

[1:09:36] always were

[1:09:37] the same. Therefore I will vote against

[1:09:40] this amendment now,

[1:09:41] understanding that we

[1:09:42] let's get back to this

[1:09:44] question to ask

[1:09:45] the project is holistic. After all

[1:09:47] the idea of "bridge"

[1:09:48] Schrödinger's "where what

[1:09:50] you do, it becomes

[1:09:50] illegal on

[1:09:51] at a certain step or in

[1:09:53] a certain point, it is

[1:09:54] absurdity. And I don't even

[1:09:56] I understand how it is.

[1:09:57] effectively communicate to

[1:09:58] people, not to mention

[1:09:59] about compliance

[1:10:00] rules. Does anyone else want

[1:10:02] express? OK,

[1:10:05] then please

[1:10:06] spend

[1:10:06] voting for

[1:10:07] amendment about

[1:10:08] schedule approval

[1:10:09] as it was

[1:10:10] presented.

[1:10:10] Laffey-Burke

[1:10:12] No.

[1:10:13] Esslinger

[1:10:14] By.

[1:10:15] Spanbauer

[1:10:16] No.

[1:10:18] Amos

[1:10:19] By.

[1:10:20] Buhler

[1:10:21] No.

[1:10:21] Stevenson

[1:10:22] By.

[1:10:24] 3-3, not accepted.

[1:10:25] So, it doesn't work.

[1:10:27] But you are completely

[1:10:28] understood the instructions

[1:10:30] about what we are looking for in October.

[1:10:32] Perfectly. Okay, now in

[1:10:34] us again

[1:10:35] discussion

[1:10:36] resolution with one

[1:10:37] amendment. Are there any

[1:10:39] discussion? OK.

[1:10:44] Please pass.

[1:10:45] roll call.

[1:10:46] Lefebvre.

[1:10:46] By.

[1:10:47] Esslinger.

[1:10:47] OK.

[1:10:48] Spanbauer.

[1:10:49] By.

[1:10:49] Amos.

[1:10:50] By.

[1:10:50] Buhler.

[1:10:51] By.

[1:10:51] Stevenson.

[1:10:52] By.

[1:10:52] Sixkiller.

[1:10:53] OK. We are moving

[1:10:56] for discussion and

[1:10:57] instructions to the city

[1:10:58] to the manager. First

[1:11:00] item—updated

[1:11:01] information regarding

[1:11:02] residents' meetings

[1:11:03] Cope Avenue. I see,

[1:11:05] James is already getting ready.

[1:11:06] to come up. Thank you,

[1:11:27] Principal Abby.

[1:11:29] Please.

[1:11:29] Good evening. Ahem. As

[1:11:34] this usually happens,

[1:11:35] a few months ago

[1:11:36] we have contacted you

[1:11:38] according to the instructions regarding

[1:11:39] how to deal with Cope-

[1:11:40] avenue. Instruction

[1:11:43] consisted in the fact that

[1:11:44] to hold a meeting with

[1:11:45] residents who

[1:11:46] live along the Cope-

[1:11:47] avenue, and get

[1:11:48] additional reviews

[1:11:49] from them. I would like to

[1:11:50] thank

[1:11:50] to the deputy mayor for that he was able to

[1:11:52] attend this meeting.

[1:11:53] I think you don't

[1:11:54] could be

[1:11:54] present at

[1:11:55] debatable

[1:11:55] council meeting. So

[1:11:56] Thank you for coming.

[1:11:58] this meeting. Um, that one

[1:11:59] The evening was very

[1:12:00] low turnout. When we

[1:12:02] were preparing to start

[1:12:04] , only one came

[1:12:05] inhabitant. He

[1:12:06] wrote feverishly

[1:12:07] message in

[1:12:08] phone, and then

[1:12:09] two more people came up

[1:12:10] others. So, on

[1:12:12] the meeting was

[1:12:13] three people are present

[1:12:14] residents. During

[1:12:19] they are all discussions

[1:12:20] agreed that although

[1:12:21] they want something

[1:12:23] was done, they

[1:12:24] don't want to pay

[1:12:25] special contributions for

[1:12:26] asphalt or concrete.

[1:12:31] Especially considering the

[1:12:32] that except for

[1:12:33] one current one

[1:12:35] owner, this is the street with

[1:12:36] short-term

[1:12:37] possession. Majority

[1:12:40] owners along

[1:12:41] this road

[1:12:42] have their own

[1:12:43] objects only

[1:12:44] several years, and they,

[1:12:45] as a rule,

[1:12:46] change every

[1:12:47] several years. So

[1:12:51] because of relatively

[1:12:51] short term

[1:12:52] possession of many of

[1:12:54] these objects,

[1:12:54] the owners just don't

[1:12:56] saw advantages in

[1:12:57] attempts to find out,

[1:12:58] how to pay these

[1:12:59] special contributions

[1:13:00] during extended

[1:13:01] terms that we offer, because

[1:13:03] most of them

[1:13:04] will move earlier than

[1:13:05] these terms

[1:13:06] will end. I

[1:13:10] turned to one of the

[1:13:11] residents, which was

[1:13:12] there that evening. He

[1:13:14] was of a kind

[1:13:15] initiator, so that

[1:13:16] to find out whether

[1:13:16] they received

[1:13:17] additional information

[1:13:19] from conversations with the rest

[1:13:20] owners. Answers

[1:13:22] I don't like him either.

[1:13:23] received. So, on this

[1:13:25] moment information,

[1:13:26] which we received from

[1:13:27] owners

[1:13:28] real estate, consists of

[1:13:29] in that they preferred

[1:13:30] b, so that we don't put no

[1:13:32] asphalt, not concrete, but

[1:13:33] allowed them to continue

[1:13:34] to try to give

[1:13:35] gravel board

[1:13:36] alone.

[1:13:39] This is the message.

[1:13:41] I received from them,

[1:13:42] when was there There is more

[1:13:45] any questions about

[1:13:46] this?

[1:13:47] No.

[1:13:47] Councilman Spenard?

[1:13:49] So, what does this mean?

[1:13:51] This means that Cope-

[1:13:52] the avenue remains

[1:13:53] private property,

[1:13:54] remains

[1:13:55] gravel, and they

[1:13:56] are responsible for themselves

[1:13:57] repair your

[1:13:58] gravel driveway,

[1:13:59] probably twice a

[1:14:00] year. Your gravel

[1:14:02] roads. No matter how they

[1:14:04] decided to do it.

[1:14:05] Would that mean

[1:14:06] Yes, and I know they are

[1:14:08] tried to reach

[1:14:09] agreements between themselves regarding

[1:14:10] you know how it is

[1:14:11] make. I know that

[1:14:13] were certain

[1:14:14] discussion. They

[1:14:16] tried

[1:14:17] convince everyone

[1:14:18] to throw money away,

[1:14:19] so that the person who

[1:14:20] has more

[1:14:21] part of the road,

[1:14:22] ordered delivery

[1:14:23] gravel, and then they

[1:14:24] together we would level

[1:14:25] its. So they

[1:14:28] are working to reach some agreement

[1:14:30] among themselves. You know, this,

[1:14:31] definitely a challenge,

[1:14:33] because it all depends

[1:14:34] from whether

[1:14:34] everyone will agree on

[1:14:36] something that costs money.

[1:14:38] Can someone help?

[1:14:39] I remember how it is.

[1:14:41] the question was

[1:14:41] taken to our

[1:14:42] consideration, and, apparently, as

[1:14:44] we returned to

[1:14:47] this decision?

[1:14:50] This question arises

[1:14:51] approximately every

[1:14:52] several years.

[1:14:53] Good.

[1:14:54] During the time I've been on this

[1:14:55] position. And approximately

[1:14:57] so often all this

[1:14:58] repeated. Two

[1:15:01] years ago Postal

[1:15:02] US service

[1:15:03] informed the residents

[1:15:04] : "We are no longer

[1:15:05] we deliver your

[1:15:06] mail through the state

[1:15:07] streets. This lasted

[1:15:10] a few weeks, and this

[1:15:11] was in August, during

[1:15:13] Labor Day weekend

[1:15:14] that year. They all

[1:15:16] gathered, bought

[1:15:17] some gravel, and one

[1:15:18] of the residents had access

[1:15:20] to the mini-

[1:15:20] forklift, they

[1:15:21] leveled it and

[1:15:22] made the road a little

[1:15:24] more suitable for

[1:15:25] passage. And this

[1:15:26] lasted two

[1:15:27] years, but, of course,

[1:15:28] it was probably worth it

[1:15:29] do it earlier. Therefore,

[1:15:32] this is what happens

[1:15:33] quite regularly.

[1:15:35] The road condition is getting

[1:15:36] pretty bad.

[1:15:37] A person who owns

[1:15:38] for the most part

[1:15:39] property, doesn't care

[1:15:40] about her, and others

[1:15:40] homeowners

[1:15:41] are contacting us with

[1:15:42] question: "What are you

[1:15:43] Can you do it? AND

[1:15:45] this is how we are

[1:15:45] returned to that,

[1:15:47] Where did we start yesterday?

[1:15:48] These owners

[1:15:48] real estate started

[1:15:49] contact us,

[1:15:50] employees, and, I think they are too

[1:15:52] contacted everyone

[1:15:53] you as members

[1:15:54] council. And for

[1:15:54] the results of our

[1:15:55] meetings with

[1:15:56] residents of the district

[1:15:57] they returned to

[1:15:57] us with the answer: "

[1:15:58] "Thanks, but no." We and

[1:15:59] in the future

[1:16:00] we will solve this

[1:16:01] alone.

[1:16:03] Councilman Stevenson.

[1:16:04] Uh, and I just...

[1:16:05] maybe we can

[1:16:06] said it out loud. THERE ARE-

[1:16:07] Well, when we are paving a new one

[1:16:09] road, we always

[1:16:09] exhibit

[1:16:10] special tax

[1:16:11] homeowners, right?

[1:16:12] Yes? This is our usual

[1:16:13] practice.

[1:16:14] Usually most

[1:16:15] new roads

[1:16:16] are built as part of

[1:16:17] buildings, and

[1:16:18] the developer pays

[1:16:19] for them. Uh, but yes,

[1:16:21] when was

[1:16:21] replacement introduced

[1:16:22] special

[1:16:23] taxation, council

[1:16:24] clearly stated that this

[1:16:25] concerns

[1:16:26] reconstruction, not

[1:16:27] new streets.

[1:16:28] Of course. And I, I, I

[1:16:29] just wanted to do this

[1:16:30] to emphasize, because I think,

[1:16:31] that the owners of this

[1:16:32] real estate is good

[1:16:33] They know about it. But, uh

[1:16:34] , we treat them

[1:16:35] no different than any other

[1:16:36] -any other part

[1:16:37] cities in a similar

[1:16:38] situations when we

[1:16:39] please pay them

[1:16:40] for the road when she

[1:16:41] being laid for the first time

[1:16:43] . Uh, I think

[1:16:43] first arose

[1:16:44] small

[1:16:45] misunderstanding that,

[1:16:46] again, Oshkosh

[1:16:47] pays "wheeled"

[1:16:48] tax", but

[1:16:48] mostly this one

[1:16:49] the tax goes to repairs

[1:16:51] and maintaining our

[1:16:52] streets.

[1:16:52] Yes, he is going to

[1:16:53] help

[1:16:54] to compensate for expenses

[1:16:55] for reconstruction.

[1:16:56] Yes. Right.

[1:16:58] Are there any more?

[1:16:59] questions, comments?

[1:17:03] OK. Thank you for this.

[1:17:04] renewal. I assume that you

[1:17:06] will also take care of

[1:17:07] the following question:

[1:17:07] continuation

[1:17:08] CIP seminar from 31

[1:17:09] August regarding

[1:17:09] reimbursement

[1:17:10] capital expenditures

[1:17:10] for the construction of new

[1:17:11] communications.

[1:17:12] Yes, sir, I will.

[1:17:14] It seems that before this

[1:17:15] point of order

[1:17:16] daily copy added

[1:17:17] presentation that Mr.

[1:17:19] Cameron presented

[1:17:20] at the seminar on August 31.

[1:17:23] I don't know for sure whether

[1:17:24] a summary was added

[1:17:25] our discussion of that

[1:17:27] evenings, where they are described

[1:17:28] all these options. If

[1:17:31] no, I have a few

[1:17:32] copies that I can

[1:17:33] distribute to everyone. I am alone.

[1:17:36] I'll keep it to myself.

[1:17:38] Thank you, Ben. Uh, but,

[1:17:42] as we already said in

[1:17:43] past, our

[1:17:44] practice usually

[1:17:45] like this: after the seminar,

[1:17:46] where we discuss

[1:17:47] various questions, we want to return

[1:17:49] approximately in

[1:17:50] a month to ask

[1:17:52] you to provide us

[1:17:52] instructions, do you want

[1:17:54] you, so that we can spend

[1:17:55] additional study. IN

[1:17:57] this presentation we

[1:17:58] talked about

[1:17:59] use of fees

[1:18:00] for connection to

[1:18:01] sewage,

[1:18:02] because the fees for

[1:18:02] connection to

[1:18:03] water supply were

[1:18:04] prohibited by the rules

[1:18:06] commissions from

[1:18:06] utilities,

[1:18:07] or about the possibility

[1:18:08] considering the option of

[1:18:10] influence fees. IN such a case that

[1:18:13] really determine

[1:18:14] the amount of these costs,

[1:18:15] we would need

[1:18:16] to conduct research

[1:18:18] regarding influence peddling,

[1:18:19] to understand what

[1:18:20] will be their sum. And first

[1:18:22] than we will spend

[1:18:23] a lot of time and effort

[1:18:24] for this, I wanted

[1:18:25] to find out if you

[1:18:26] interested in

[1:18:27] so that we can do it.

[1:18:31] I am opening

[1:18:32] discussion for any

[1:18:33] What are your questions?

[1:18:34] Councilman Stevenson.

[1:18:36] Are these scenarios

[1:18:37] options "all or"

[1:18:39] nothing"? So, if we will introduce a fee for

[1:18:41] influence, can we

[1:18:42] to make him

[1:18:43] compensated

[1:18:44] special

[1:18:45] accrual, i.e.

[1:18:46] use a hybrid

[1:18:47] both options, or

[1:18:48] there just has to be something

[1:18:49] one?

[1:18:52] As far as I remember

[1:18:54] statute, and I don't know if

[1:18:55] Amy remembers this

[1:18:56] immediately, but there was

[1:18:57] it is said that any

[1:18:58] funds received through

[1:18:59] special

[1:19:00] accruals, have

[1:19:01] reduce the amount,

[1:19:02] defined in

[1:19:03] research for

[1:19:04] influence fees. Therefore,

[1:19:08] this is not an "all" option

[1:19:09] or nothing." I think I have to say that there is

[1:19:12] a certain possibility

[1:19:14] combine both

[1:19:15] options. And I think,

[1:19:19] which is one of the reasons why

[1:19:20] this is relevant, it is

[1:19:22] in that the fees for

[1:19:23] influence usually

[1:19:24] only apply to

[1:19:25] new development, and this

[1:19:26] one of the topics we

[1:19:27] Amy in detail

[1:19:28] discussed: whether

[1:19:29] will consider the statute

[1:19:30] existing facilities on

[1:19:31] Clearwater Road new

[1:19:33] building or already

[1:19:34] existing? Amy,

[1:19:36] Correct me if I am.

[1:19:37] I'm wrong, but,

[1:19:38] It seems we have arrived.

[1:19:39] consent, which according to the statute

[1:19:40] this will be considered

[1:19:41] existing building.

[1:19:43] So, you probably

[1:19:44] worth considering

[1:19:45] option with

[1:19:45] special

[1:19:46] accrual for these

[1:19:47] objects and collection

[1:19:48] for the influence on others.

[1:19:49] Therefore, I believe that this

[1:19:50] allows a certain

[1:19:51] to combine to some extent

[1:19:52] approaches.

[1:19:53] Of course. I have

[1:19:55] no answer for

[1:19:56] you today, but I

[1:19:57] interested in

[1:19:58] continuing to study

[1:19:59] influence fees.

[1:20:01] Connection fees,

[1:20:03] especially considering the

[1:20:04] what we cannot do

[1:20:05] apply them to

[1:20:06] water, I don't care much

[1:20:07] interested, but I would

[1:20:08] wanted to see how

[1:20:09] what will the budget look like in case of introduction

[1:20:12] influence fee. I know

[1:20:15] , we also a little

[1:20:16] talked about what it was

[1:20:17] a little more risky with

[1:20:19] financial side. We

[1:20:20] also to some extent

[1:20:21] we count on

[1:20:21] growth, and if

[1:20:22] there will be no growth, it

[1:20:23] can hit

[1:20:24] our budget. It

[1:20:25] correct statement

[1:20:26] ?

[1:20:26] You are correct.

[1:20:27] remember. There is

[1:20:29] slightly higher risk

[1:20:30] that you can't

[1:20:32] return all

[1:20:32] costs. You know, from

[1:20:35] special

[1:20:35] accruals this

[1:20:36] becomes a pledge for

[1:20:37] property. So in a certain

[1:20:39] the moment you reach

[1:20:40] 100% refund.

[1:20:42] Using

[1:20:43] target fees, you,

[1:20:44] obviously you can't

[1:20:46] exceed 100%, but there is

[1:20:47] the probability that you will get a little less.

[1:20:50] You know, if

[1:20:51] project development,

[1:20:52] let's say, during

[1:20:53] research you

[1:20:54] expect 100 plots, and

[1:20:56] the developer implements

[1:20:57] only 95.

[1:20:57] Of course.

[1:20:58] So you never

[1:20:59] exceed the amount, but

[1:21:00] with a target fee is

[1:21:01] much larger

[1:21:02] probability of getting

[1:21:03] Less.

[1:21:03] OK. So yes, I

[1:21:05] interested in

[1:21:06] to investigate this. IN

[1:21:07] I have doubts, but I think we should

[1:21:09] deeper into it

[1:21:10] to dive. Anyone else?

[1:21:15] I will tell you. I want

[1:21:17] to share what I am very nervous because

[1:21:19] transition to 100% model

[1:21:20] earmarked funds. So,

[1:21:25] as the council member said

[1:21:27] Stevenson, although I don't

[1:21:28] I consider special

[1:21:29] accrual

[1:21:30] appropriate for

[1:21:31] road reconstruction

[1:21:32] and sidewalks, I think,

[1:21:34] that they are more appropriate

[1:21:35] in a situation like

[1:21:36] annexation, and I believe

[1:21:37] that this is the only way

[1:21:39] to ensure 100%

[1:21:40] reimbursement of expenses

[1:21:41] , although I know that it is

[1:21:42] burdensome for

[1:21:43] owners

[1:21:44] real estate. I am fine.

[1:21:49] I realize this, and that's it.

[1:21:50] so we started this

[1:21:52] discussion. I don't think so.

[1:21:55] that any other

[1:21:56] there are options

[1:21:57] acceptable, because

[1:21:58] and Councilman Stevenson

[1:21:59] , I am interested

[1:22:00] to see what is possible

[1:22:01] to do with hybrid

[1:22:02] target model

[1:22:03] collection and

[1:22:04] special

[1:22:05] accrual, but I think it's full.

[1:22:07] refusal of

[1:22:07] special

[1:22:08] accrual leaves

[1:22:09] us potentially

[1:22:10] vulnerable to

[1:22:11] budget deficit.

[1:22:17] Anyone else? OK. You

[1:22:21] free, I think.

[1:22:22] I understand.

[1:22:24] your task. Very

[1:22:25] Thank you.

[1:22:28] Next point—

[1:22:29] future questions

[1:22:30] agenda,

[1:22:31] meetings and seminars.

[1:22:33] I will not read.

[1:22:34] You have all this. I suppose,

[1:22:36] that you can read and

[1:22:37] put this in your

[1:22:38] calendar, but I will note

[1:22:39] that on Tuesday, the 13th

[1:22:40] October, we will have

[1:22:41] closed session

[1:22:42] for conducting

[1:22:43] work review

[1:22:43] mayor for

[1:22:44] third quarter. So,

[1:22:46] Please,

[1:22:46] consider the question,

[1:22:48] which ones would you like

[1:22:48] to discuss. If you

[1:22:50] need to review

[1:22:51] its goals or will arise

[1:22:52] question, please

[1:22:54] , please contact

[1:22:55] directly to

[1:22:56] me, and I can

[1:22:57] share feedback

[1:22:58] or provide access to

[1:22:59] goals that we will

[1:23:00] discuss. Are there any more?

[1:23:03] some topics about

[1:23:04] questions, meetings or

[1:23:05] seminars that someone

[1:23:07] Want to discuss? If

[1:23:09] no, let's move on to

[1:23:10] announcements and statements

[1:23:11] members of the council, if

[1:23:12] There are some. Moving on to

[1:23:16] announcements and statements

[1:23:17] city manager.

[1:23:19] I have nothing.

[1:23:21] special, besides

[1:23:22] what I would like

[1:23:24] to celebrate Oshkosh Bolt Fest,

[1:23:26] which will take place on the 24th

[1:23:28] September at the museum from 3:30 p.m.

[1:23:29] until 7:30 p.m.

[1:23:32] Fantastically.

[1:23:33] German folk

[1:23:34] festivities. Good.

[1:23:36] So take it with you.

[1:23:38] lederhosen and mugs.

[1:23:40] Yes. OK. If

[1:23:43] there is nothing more,

[1:23:44] then I know that the member

[1:23:45] Council Stevenson

[1:23:45] is going to contribute

[1:23:46] proposal about

[1:23:47] transition to closed

[1:23:48] meeting, but before

[1:23:49] this, does anyone have...Oh,

[1:23:50] I think, first of all, this

[1:23:52] and then I ask if

[1:23:53] Does anyone have a question?

[1:23:54] regarding this in

[1:23:54] open format.

[1:23:56] Is that right, Amy?

[1:23:57] Excuse me, what?

[1:23:58] So, should I ask,

[1:23:59] Does anyone have one?

[1:24:00] question before,

[1:24:01] how do we enter

[1:24:01] offer, or already

[1:24:02] after? To go

[1:24:04] We are not

[1:24:04] We will return.

[1:24:05] Right. No,

[1:24:07] questions about

[1:24:08] point of order

[1:24:09] daytime and

[1:24:09] Yes, and besides

[1:24:10] provided for reference

[1:24:11] materials regarding

[1:24:12] closed question

[1:24:13] meeting. If someone

[1:24:14] wants to express himself/herself

[1:24:15] on this occasion, they

[1:24:16] can do this

[1:24:16] now. We are not

[1:24:17] we will return to

[1:24:18] open meeting

[1:24:18] .

[1:24:19] Perfectly. OK. Member

[1:24:20] Council Stevenson.

[1:24:22] I am making a suggestion.

[1:24:23] go to closed

[1:24:25] meeting accordingly

[1:24:26] to the Statute

[1:24:26] Wisconsin 19.85 (1)(e),

[1:24:28] because the reasoning

[1:24:29] competitive

[1:24:30] trade requires

[1:24:31] closed session

[1:24:32] for discussion

[1:24:33] strategic

[1:24:34] parameters and conditions

[1:24:35] agreements related to

[1:24:36] potential

[1:24:37] reconstruction and/

[1:24:38] or by acquisition

[1:24:39] real estate for

[1:24:40] Address: 114 High Avenue,

[1:24:41] in the city of Oshkosh,

[1:24:42] known as the studio

[1:24:43] Thompson, as well as

[1:24:44] potential sale

[1:24:45] , rent or

[1:24:46] reconstruction of the "Grand

[1:24:47] ".

[1:24:49] I support.

[1:24:50] Thank you. Only one

[1:24:51] short question. I

[1:24:52] I'll leave early today,

[1:24:53] because I can't take it

[1:24:54] participation in this

[1:24:55] discussion,

[1:24:56] because it

[1:24:56] concerns me

[1:24:57] employment. Or

[1:24:58] are there any more

[1:24:59] discussion before

[1:24:59] the way we spend

[1:25:00] roll call? If not,

[1:25:01] please pass

[1:25:02] roll call before

[1:25:03] by moving to

[1:25:03] closed session.

[1:25:04] Effinger.

[1:25:05] By.

[1:25:05] Auslinger.

[1:25:06] By.

[1:25:06] Spanbauer.

[1:25:07] By.

[1:25:08] Amos.

[1:25:08] By.

[1:25:09] Yolo.

[1:25:09] Present.

[1:25:10] And Stevenson.

[1:25:11] By.

[1:25:11] Five votes.

[1:25:12] And I need it.

[1:25:13] proposal about

[1:25:13] closing of the meeting.

[1:25:14] The proposal is accepted.

[1:25:15] I support.

[1:25:16] Does everyone approve?

[1:25:17] Yes.

[1:25:18] By.

[1:25:18] Who is against? OK.

[1:25:21] Thank you to everyone and

[1:25:22] Good night.

Oshkosh Common Council 9/22/26

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