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» Hi and welcome to the diversity, [music]
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equity, and inclusion committee meeting
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for September 28th, 2026. Can we call
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the roll please?
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>> Cramp
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>> here.
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>> Peterson
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um
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>> Aeros
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here.
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>> I forgot to ask you. Um Miller Lever
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Tolman
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>> here.
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>> Uh Deng
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>> here.
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>> Okay, we have a quorum.
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>> Thank you. And now Andy, can you please
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read the land acknowledgements?
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>> Yes. We are gathered here on the lands
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that were originally home to the
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Monomony and Ho Chunk nations. We honor
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the Monomony and Ho Chunk communities
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and are grateful for their stewardship
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of the land and waters. We acknowledge
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these ancestral grounds as sacred and
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remember the complex history of settler
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colonialism on these lands and the
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effects that persist today. We commit to
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a restorative and healing relationship
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of the original inhabitants and our
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community.
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Thank
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>> you. And now I can you read the mission
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statement? Yeah.
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The mission of the diversity, equity,
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and inclusion committee is to create a
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more welcoming, connected, and equitable
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Oshkosh by consciously including the
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richness and complexities of
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marginalized voices in its planning and
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function. Thank you. And now we have to
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welcome a new committee member.
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So this is Abby. And would you like to
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say something about yourself or
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>> We'll all introduce ourselves as well.
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Oh, that's sounds good.
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>> I'm Abby Amacher. Um, happy to be here.
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Uh, and I'm looking forward to it. So, I
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don't know if you all know anything
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about me, but
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yeah, whatever you want to. Sure. Uh,
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former social worker. Um, I currently
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have a small private practice um,
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working with kids with some behavioral
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challenges and I've been an Oshkosh
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resident for almost 20 years. That's
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awesome. Um, I'm Amanda Cramp. I'm the
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chair. I've lived in Oshkosh for almost
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9 years now. Um, I do all kinds of stuff
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around town. Do a lot of volunteering
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with the school district. Um, a lot of
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food justice stuff. I've been on this
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committee for almost three two and a
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half years or so. Um, and I just like I
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love this city and I just want it to be
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as good as I know it can be.
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All right. Uh, my name is Ayak Deng and
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I work for the Ashkashi School District.
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Um, I'm new as well. Um, yeah, I'm
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excited to be here. My name is Andy
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Tilman. Um, I've been [clears throat] in
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Oshkosh for gez, uh, 15 years or so now.
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Um, and yeah, I'm passionate about
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making Oshkosh more inclusive space. So
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glad you're here to help out with it.
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>> All right, we'll get to Jim in a little
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bit when he gets his presentation. And
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I'm Michelle. We met before, but I'm the
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um staff liaison for for this committee
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from the city. So, and I have been the
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staff leazison since the beginning of
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the committee about 7 years ago. Okay.
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>> So, now we have to do some committee
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reorganization because we currently do
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not have a vice chair.
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So, at this time I call for nominations
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for vice chair. A second is not
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required.
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Are there any nominations?
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I'm going to nominate Andy.
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So, have a question about that. Um, I
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didn't think of this until just now. I
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think I'm technically an alternate. Can
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I be vice chair as an alternate?
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>> That's a question for Michelle.
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>> Yes.
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>> Okay.
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>> Actually, our our last vice chair was an
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alternate.
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>> Well, there we go.
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>> Are there any other nominations? This is
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the second time I am calling for them.
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>> Okay.
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>> Is anyone else interested in doing it?
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>> Third time I'm calling for other
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nominations.
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So, if there's only one nomination, I
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can ask for a motion to close
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nominations and elect the only candidate
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nominated. Do I have a motion for that?
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» So, I will entertain a motion to close
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nominations and elect Andy Tolman. Yep.
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>> Yep. I will entertain a motion to close
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nominations and elect Andy Tolman as
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vice chair by calling the vote. All in
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favor?
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>> Actually, we will do a little one by
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one.
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>> Yeah, we will do. So, um Amanda Hi,
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Cramp. I'm sorry. I [laughter]
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>> um
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Tolman
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>> I
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>> Deng
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>> I
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>> am
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>> I. All right.
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>> Congratulations. [clears throat]
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Yay.
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>> Okay. Good job, Vice Chair.
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And now we need to approve the minutes
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from the August 24th, 2026 meeting. Are
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there any comments about the thrilling
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minutes from last month? Any
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discussion? Anything?
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Do I have a motion to approve the
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minutes?
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Motion to approve.
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>> So moved.
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>> Do I have a second?
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» Yes. Second. Great.
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Can we take the role, please?
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All right. Um, cramp
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>> I
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>> amer.
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>> Hi,
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>> Tolman.
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>> Hi,
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>> Deng.
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>> Hi.
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>> All right.
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>> Do we have any public statements or
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public comments on agenda items?
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>> We do not have any statements or public
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comments items.
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>> So, now we move on to our presentation
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from Jim Bame from Father Cars. Welcome.
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>> Well, thank you. So, as Amanda said, my
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name is Jim Bame. I'm the executive
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director of Father Cars. I'm uh in my
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fifth year at the ministry and uh a
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brief history of Father Cars. So um in
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1974, Father Carr the year he was
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ordained a Catholic priest um came to
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town and four high schoolers asked
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Father Carr that they said we need a we
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need a safe place that we can hang out.
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So the place to be and that's why it's
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called the place to be. It started out
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as a high school hangout in St. Pete's
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church basement. So, it was that and
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then and then eventually he wanted
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Father Carr wanted to uh start helping some people that need
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had some basic needs and and um uh those
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that were experiencing homelessness um
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those that needed some health care, food
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and and all that. So, he he started working with that population and
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then eventually the Green Bay Dascese
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said, "You know what, Father, you're
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doing some good stuff here. instead of
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giving you a parish, assigning you to a
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parish, your ministry will be Father
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Carter's place to be. So, um, so we've
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been doing it for 52 years. Um, because
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he was a Catholic priest, we are rooted
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in our Catholic faith, but our services
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are open to all.
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Everything we do at Father Cars is for
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nothing. It's it's it's all free. Okay?
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We there's absolutely no revenue in our
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ministry at all. Everything everything
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we do there is is free to the public.
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So, our mission statement, Father Carr
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pulled it right out of scripture. And
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just to paraphrase it real quick, Jesus
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told us to love each other, take care of
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each other, feed the feed the hungry,
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cure the sick, take in the stranger, and
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that's exactly what we do. So, let's
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break that down a little bit. Food
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security. How do we feed the hungry? We feed the We feed people in a lot of
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different ways. Our pantry is open every
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single day. Um on six days out of the
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week, people can come in and just get
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like groceries, a meal, um uh something
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to take home with them. Uh it's it's
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really geared towards daily sustenance.
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And then on Fridays, people come in.
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That's when our our major pantry is.
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People come in, they get their weekly
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groceries. They get a shopping cart.
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They go through the pantry and uh and and load up the load up the shopping
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cart. Our pantry is open to all. Um the
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only question we ask is how many people
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are in the household that you are taking
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the food to. We don't ask names, we
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don't ask income. You can come as many
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times as you want. It's uh it's open 365
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days to anybody who wants wants to come.
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Um we have a program called Table of
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Grace and what those are, those are
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frozen casserole dinners that we have
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certain organizations or parishes make
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for us. Um it is it was 2 years old in
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April. So it's about 2 and 1/2 years
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old. We have [clears throat] done about
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2,300 meals um in that time. Uh people
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can just come in and and get a frozen
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casserole. Uh they feed about 8 to 10
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people. Our current selection is tater
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tot casserole, sloppy joe's macaroni and
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cheese and um chicken taco lasagna. Uh
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we are working on a uh a casserole
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dinner a hamal uh halo um diet. So it's
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a we we provide meals to um to the uh
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Ashkashiri school district. So we
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support we support the school district
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in that way too. We're part of the nurse
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and flourish committee. I don't know if
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you're familiar with them. Um so we are
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um trying to um diversify our menu a
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little bit so we can make sure that we
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have something for everybody. Um, we
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also feed the hungry by our community
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dinners, which we're pretty pretty
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famous for actually, our Thanksgiving,
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Christmas, and Easter. Those last three
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holiday meals, we served over 5,000
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people. The majority of those meals are
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delivered. Okay, we deliver to all of
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Winnebago County. So, I would say
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probably 90% of them were delivered. Um,
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Thanksgiving alone last year, we did
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over 2500 meals. So, we're we're
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expecting another another big one. Um,
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how else do we feed people? Our
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community cafe is is um open 5 days a
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week. People can just come in between 8
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and 5 and just get something to eat. Um,
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during the cold months, we have uh
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chili, bowls of soup, um what whatever
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we might have. Um there's no really set
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menu. It's u what was donated to us is
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what we pass along. So,
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um, so that's how we that's how we feed
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the hungry. Um, cure the sick. Well, we
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have our own St. Francis free clinic.
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The the clinic is the clinic is a true
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gem on the on the campus. Uh, in 19 or
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in 2021,
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we had about a little over 800 patients.
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This year we'll do over 2500. Wow.
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>> It is uh it is it has just gone gone
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crazy. Last year in 2025, we did over $2
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million worth of free healthcare to the
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community. Um I one thing I should
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mention, our services are primarily for
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Wnebago and the surrounding counties
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which would be out of gami, Kelly,
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Fondelac, Green Lake, Washier in Waka.
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So um so where the Wnebago is a center
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then and then the counties around that's kind of our core that's where we
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offer the services to. Um it doesn't
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mean any you know people from other
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areas can't can have it but there can
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use it but um we're we're completely
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privately funded. It's we strictly
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private donations. We receive no subsid
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um um we're not subsidized by the
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government at all. Um so um because
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that's where our donor bases. That's who
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we that's who we try to serve. So our
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clinic has many special services. It's run much like an urgent care. Um,
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it's open five days a week, Monday
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through Friday. We stagger the hours and
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we stagger them on purpose. On Monday
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and Thursday, it's open in the evening
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from 5:00 to 7:00. On Tuesday or on
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Tuesday and Wednesday, it's open in the
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afternoon from 1:00 to 4:00. And on
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Friday mornings or Fridays, it's it's
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open in the morning from 8:00 to 11:00,
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the same time our pantry is. So, people
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can come and get food and also see a
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doctor. And it's also open one Saturday, a month. We actually have a
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sleep specialist comes in and he will um
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he will assess you and should you need a
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CPAT machine, we have free CPAT
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machines. We have our own pharmacy. So
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we have most of the major um ma major
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prescriptions including insulin and
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again that is that is completely free.
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So we draw we draw labs, we draw we draw
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blood and um and collect other samples
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and and specimens. Uh we have great
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partners with um Ascension Mercy,
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Aurora, and uh soon to be Theta Care.
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Now, if they have a hospital in town,
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they're going to start up January 1st
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being a partner. So, they do our lab
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work for us. They also will do imaging.
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So, if you come in and you fell and you
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maybe hurt a wrist and the doctor says,
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"I think we need a picture of this or
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you got something else going on." Doctor
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says, "You might want a cat scan or an
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MRI." we can give you somewhat of a
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vulture and you can take it to one of
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those providers and and get the imaging
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done for nothing as long as you come
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through through um St. Francis Free
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Clinic. So again um open to all. We have
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a translation system. We have a
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translation service
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um that Ascension has helped us out with
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so um so we can uh we can see patients
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and we don't have that barrier of uh of
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communication. So we have about 25
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health providers between uh MDs, nurse
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practitioners, physician assistants and
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RNs. Uh we have two psychiatrists.
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Um
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we have uh we have foot doctor, we have
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kidney doctor. Um we started up our
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dental office. So we have uh we have
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dental hygiene two times a month. And um
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we're trying to get our dental service
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going. We had a dentist and then he took
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a job with uh Marquette Dental School.
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So he moved in Milwaukee and they come
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and they go, but we we'll get it open on
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a consistent basis soon. Um so uh the
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clinic again is uh just doing doing very
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well and offering a lot of help to the
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community.
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Taking the stranger. So this one can be
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a little confusing to people. Um but we are not a shelter. We don't we don't
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identify as a shelter. we identify as a
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life enrichment center. And um what that
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means is people who are experiencing
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homelessness, people who are coming out
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of incarceration, people who are maybe
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days away from being evicted,
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what whatever
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100% of the people that come to us are
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homeless. Okay? Nobody comes to us
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because they have a place to stay. They
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apply for the program. And what what the
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program is is we we want to take you
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from point A, where you're at, to point
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B. And point B is independent living to
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get you back on your feet. And um um if
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you are ready in your life to start
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making some some um better decisions,
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change some of the habits, change the
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lifestyle that's maybe taking you to
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where you are. If you're if you're ready
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to do that, you're accepted into our
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program and the housing comes with it.
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Okay. So, what does that mean? It means
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that there'll be a daily structure in
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your life where you have to get up and
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you have to go to work. You have to if
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you have to be employed if you're going
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to stay with us. If you're going to be
[16:28]
part of our life enrichment program, um
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you have to make your bed in the
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morning. You have to make your own
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breakfast. Go to work. You have to be to
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dinner at 5:00. That's our checkpoint
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for everybody who stays with us.
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Currently, right now, we've got about 42
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or 43 people staying with us. That's
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men, women, and children. We have 12
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children in the house right now.
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So, you uh you have to be at a dinner.
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It's it's it's the time where we get a
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chance to see how you're doing. Uh make
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sure that the barriers that you have in
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your life or the bad habits that you
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have in your life have not come back. um
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to make sure that you learn how to live
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in community. So you eat together and
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then you do chores together and after
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that you have some free time before uh
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before the curfew. Curfew just changed
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last night as a matter of fact to to
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7:30. It was 8:30. So it's it's putting
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a structure in in people's lives that
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they haven't had in a while. And I say
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this a 100 times a week. You change your
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habits, you change your life. And if
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they're ready to change their life to to get rid of the habits that have taken
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them to to where they are to that point
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A, then then we we bring them in.
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There's no timetable as to how long they
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can stay. Some some it might take 3
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months, some take might take six. And
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we've had people there as long as two
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years, depending on what situation they
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they're they're in. Um, some men come to
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us, they're $500, $5,000 behind in child
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support. You can stay there till that's
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paid up. But if you're working full-time
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and there's no cost of living at Father
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Cars, that $5,000 can go away pretty
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fast. You can get yourself out of debt
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pretty fast. Get some money in the bank.
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Um,
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if if substance abuse or sobriety is an
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issue in your life, you make sure that
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you you can you can um stay clean and
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stay sober. Uh I would say with men,
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that's that's probably 99% of them are
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coming with some type of a drug or
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alcohol problem. Women is different.
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women is probably 60% and the other 40%
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are coming in for other different
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reasons. Unfortunately, domestic abuse
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is one of them. Um, so
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we do we do um background checks and um
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Father Cars is 99% volunteer. Okay. As
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the executive director, I collect a
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salary. Emily, who runs our clinic, the
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clinic director, she collects a salary.
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And then Nick, the guy who runs our life
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enrichment program, the director of
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that, he collects a statement. Okay.
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Everybody else there is a volunteer and
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there's 30, 40 people there every single
[19:04]
day. So my priority, my number one
[19:06]
priority is the safety of our volunteers
[19:09]
to make sure that we have a safe campus.
[19:11]
So we do background checks before you're
[19:12]
allowed into allowed into the the life
[19:15]
enrichment program.
[19:17]
So, I'll answer some questions about
[19:19]
that um uh in a little bit, but um
[19:24]
we um we have we have the um the
[19:29]
possibility of a of a man with children
[19:32]
to come in as well. We have we have one
[19:34]
uh we have one area that we can put that
[19:36]
in if we ever have that scenario. And
[19:37]
we've had it in the four plus years I've
[19:39]
been director. I think we've had it
[19:40]
three times. So um and the life
[19:44]
enrichment also goes as far regarding
[19:46]
the community. There's a lot of
[19:47]
different ways you can enrich you enrich
[19:49]
their lives and volunteering is one of
[19:51]
them. So we try to we try to make sure
[19:53]
that people understand how they can
[19:54]
volunteer, how they how they can give of
[19:57]
their time, their important time, how
[19:58]
they can give from the heart. So and
[20:00]
because we are uh privately funded, we
[20:03]
find ways to touch their hearts and
[20:05]
believe in what we do. The other thing
[20:07]
that we do is we have two big community
[20:10]
events. One is Christmas for kids and
[20:12]
the other one is carnival for kids.
[20:14]
Christmas for kids is people families
[20:17]
come in um they get their own personal
[20:20]
elf when they walk in. The elf takes
[20:22]
them to breakfast and they go into uh
[20:24]
the chapel and see a a puppet show. Then
[20:26]
they go to a big table and they make an
[20:29]
arts and crafts project. They go see
[20:32]
Santa Claus and eventually they end up
[20:34]
in the the clinic and we separate the
[20:37]
children from from mom and dad. and mom
[20:40]
and dad go in the toy land and pick out
[20:42]
some presents for the kids and the
[20:43]
children go in uh to a different area
[20:46]
and they pick out a present or two for
[20:47]
themselves and maybe something else for
[20:49]
mom and dad. We in turn wrap those while
[20:51]
they're separated and then when they
[20:53]
come together at the front door of the
[20:54]
clinic we've just provided their clinic
[20:56]
their their their Christmas for them.
[20:58]
They've got they've got wrap presents.
[21:00]
Carnival for kids is uh something we've
[21:03]
started. We've had four of them and uh
[21:05]
the last two years we've had about 3,500
[21:07]
people at it. It is a free carnival,
[21:10]
full-blown carnival, six major rides, um
[21:14]
bouncy house, stock cars, um obstacle
[21:18]
course, all kinds of kids games. Uh with
[21:21]
last year we had 15 different agencies
[21:23]
for the from the community there to
[21:24]
represent themselves. Little activities
[21:27]
at each tent to keep the kids busy, but
[21:29]
they could also um the the resource um
[21:33]
uh the resource organizations could tell
[21:35]
mom and dad about what they can do and
[21:37]
how they can help them. So it was truly
[21:39]
a community event and um we're we're
[21:42]
really proud of our carnival. Um again,
[21:45]
it's absolutely free. It was about a
[21:47]
$40,000 event to put on last year. did
[21:50]
not cost Father Cars $1. It was
[21:52]
completely sponsored by uh organizations
[21:54]
and corporations throughout throughout
[21:56]
the city. So, the only thing it cost us
[21:58]
was we we put it together. We we uh
[22:00]
organized it and uh got all it was
[22:03]
almost 200 volunteers put it on. So, um
[22:06]
so it's it's really turned out to be a
[22:09]
very cool event. So um you know again
[22:13]
going back to our to our faith um for
[22:15]
the Catholic community. We have mass
[22:17]
every morning and um and Father Dave is
[22:20]
there for spiritual direction which is a
[22:23]
big plus for for the people that live
[22:25]
with us. So that's Father Cars in a
[22:28]
nutshell. I don't know if I could say it
[22:30]
much faster. [laughter]
[22:33]
>> Questions.
[22:35]
If you do not have active employment and
[22:37]
are seeking employment employment, are
[22:39]
you able to apply for the life
[22:41]
enrichment program?
[22:42]
>> Oh, absolutely. Most people don't have
[22:44]
jobs when they come to us. Yeah. It's um it's it's part of it's it's part
[22:48]
of the the life enrichment is is getting
[22:51]
them to believe in themselves. I don't
[22:53]
want to say repurpose their life because
[22:55]
I I I don't know that it's that, but
[22:57]
they have to start believing in
[22:59]
themselves and and to give them a
[23:01]
chance. I mean, if they truly deep down
[23:05]
want to start helping themselves, um, to
[23:08]
give them a chance to to go out and and
[23:11]
find employment and to start believing
[23:13]
in themselves and and and knowing that,
[23:16]
you know, without having the cost of
[23:18]
living and the barrier of that dollar,
[23:19]
the barrier of the bills that yes, they um and we're very good at finding
[23:23]
people jobs. I mean, jobs sometimes can
[23:26]
be swim, but um sometimes they have to
[23:28]
be a little more open-minded about what
[23:30]
they want to do. Um but you know there's
[23:33]
a starting point for everything. So it's
[23:35]
a good question.
[23:37]
>> I have a question.
[23:38]
>> Yeah.
[23:38]
>> Um does father cars accommodate um those
[23:40]
who have employment schedules that don't
[23:43]
fit the structure you have in place?
[23:46]
>> So we don't. Okay. To answer your
[23:48]
question, uh we don't allow second and
[23:50]
third shift. And the reason the reason
[23:53]
we don't is that 5:00 dinner is very
[23:55]
important to us and it's even more
[23:58]
important to them. We have asked a lot
[24:00]
of people who have gone through the
[24:02]
program successfully and they've left
[24:04]
and they we maybe see them a couple
[24:05]
months later and and one of the first
[24:07]
things that they say is how important
[24:09]
that dinner was to sit down and have
[24:11]
somebody to eat with because when they
[24:13]
leave most of them are going home and
[24:15]
having dinner by themselves.
[24:17]
>> They don't understand the importance of that community. So,
[24:23]
we've we've tried to alter it and it
[24:25]
really has come back and and not only
[24:27]
bid us, but has not been as effective as
[24:29]
it has been when we have it. And because
[24:31]
most of them are unemployed,
[24:34]
>> um we can we can make it so they have a
[24:36]
first gift job. So,
[24:42]
» so you're not subsidized by the
[24:43]
government at all. So, everything is
[24:44]
from donations that you
[24:46]
>> 100%.
[24:47]
>> That's amazing. We have a very small
[24:48]
operating budget because we have such a
[24:50]
small staff.
[24:51]
>> Yeah.
[24:51]
>> Now, our operating budget for 26 was uh
[24:54]
I think it's $565,000.
[24:56]
So, if you look at everything that we do
[24:58]
and what we provide,
[25:00]
>> that's a very small operating budget.
[25:03]
>> Doesn't say if you're talking about 2
[25:05]
million in healthcare, you know,
[25:07]
services provided or donated to us.
[25:09]
>> Yeah.
[25:09]
>> Oh, I have 40ome people.
[25:11]
>> Impressive.
[25:13]
And and I say this as humbly as I can,
[25:15]
but but it's a fact that our our our
[25:18]
percentage of men who come to us
[25:21]
homeless and leave is about 80% that
[25:24]
leave with with with a place to live.
[25:27]
Now women is a bit lower. Okay? And
[25:29]
that's that's something we're we're not
[25:31]
comfortable with. It's only it's only in
[25:33]
like the 60% range and we're trying to
[25:35]
get better at that. Okay? And and we're
[25:38]
a small ministry. I mean, we're we're a
[25:40]
large ministry, but we're we're really
[25:42]
in the whole scheme of things, we're kind of a small ministry because
[25:45]
of, you know, just mostly volunteers.
[25:49]
Um,
[25:51]
we know who we are and we know who we're
[25:52]
not. So, so we do have to be a little
[25:55]
selective about people that come in.
[25:58]
People who are at the edge the at um
[26:00]
past their working years, we're we're
[26:02]
probably not going to be the place for
[26:04]
them because there's really no end game,
[26:06]
okay? We're where they're at in their
[26:07]
life.
[26:09]
They're they're if if they can't afford
[26:11]
independent living now, just by living
[26:14]
with us for a while is not going to help
[26:15]
you. Okay?
[26:17]
>> We're more about total healing. We're
[26:19]
not there just to put a band-aid on
[26:21]
something. And going back to um
[26:26]
the way a person heals is they have to
[26:29]
become completely honest with
[26:31]
themselves. They have to understand who
[26:33]
they are and where they are with their
[26:34]
life and what they're doing. If if they
[26:37]
keep if they keep having all these
[26:39]
fantasies about what they want to be,
[26:41]
but they're not but their actions aren't
[26:43]
following their their thoughts or their dreams, they're never going to
[26:46]
get there. They have to to get them to
[26:48]
be completely honest with themselves.
[26:50]
That's when the healing starts. And
[26:52]
that's what we have. That's what we do.
[26:53]
That's what we try to do.
[26:55]
>> It's um I'm an alcoholic, so I
[26:56]
understand what it's like to hit rock
[26:58]
bottom. And and rock bottom is it it's
[27:01]
important, you know, it's almost
[27:02]
necessary to to get there. So we we try
[27:07]
to take them and let them understand as
[27:09]
humbly as they can like this is where
[27:11]
you're at. Where do you want to be? Let
[27:13]
us take you there, but you have to
[27:15]
understand who you are at this point and
[27:17]
we'll get you better. So
[27:22]
>> that's amazing.
[27:24]
So if people want to help,
[27:27]
>> volunteer. Um if you know if if if
[27:31]
giving of your heart is is there give of your time you know if give of
[27:36]
your resources
[27:38]
um
[27:40]
>> I don't know that anybody has ever come
[27:41]
to father cars volunteered and hated it.
[27:43]
I I just don't think that's true. Even
[27:45]
the people that come in for community
[27:47]
service or community service they still
[27:50]
continue to come back even after they're
[27:52]
done.
[27:53]
>> It's a great community. It really is. I
[27:55]
mean, you can there's there's a sense of love there. And, you know, I'm I'm
[27:59]
going to pat the Lord on on his back for
[28:01]
that one. That's what I believe. But
[28:04]
there it it is really a cool community
[28:06]
to be part of. So, if you if if you're
[28:09]
looking if you got an emptiness in your
[28:11]
life right now, that's how you enrich
[28:13]
it. Come and give up your time. Just
[28:15]
come and work in the food pantry. Couple
[28:18]
hours a month. Um you play piano, come
[28:21]
and play come and play piano some
[28:23]
morning at pantry. I had a guy call the
[28:25]
other day. He says, "Can I come and play
[28:26]
piano for your Thanksgiving dinner?"
[28:28]
Absolutely. Come and play. Um, so I
[28:32]
would say give up some weight. Give of
[28:34]
yourself some way. That's the way you
[28:36]
enrich your life. So,
[28:39]
>> and monetary. Do you have a place for
[28:42]
monetary donations as well?
[28:44]
>> Yeah, you can either go online and and
[28:47]
uh donate online. Otherwise, you can
[28:48]
come right to Father Cars. I'd love to
[28:50]
give tours. You know, come and see what
[28:52]
we're all about. I'll give you a tour of
[28:53]
the place and um you know there's a lot
[28:55]
of ways you can donate while you're
[28:56]
there. Um we have a Facebook page uh you
[29:00]
know website uh it's fathercars.org
[29:03]
so all spelt out fathercars.org. So um
[29:07]
there's a lot of different ways to give.
[29:10]
>> Thank you so much. Learned so much.
[29:14]
>> I drive past father cars all the time
[29:16]
and I now I know much more. So thank you
[29:19]
so much. I I started volunteering there
[29:21]
about 8 years ago and I was blown away
[29:23]
by what they did though. I couldn't
[29:25]
believe it and that's that's the biggest
[29:27]
comment I get after every tour is I
[29:30]
never knew you the scope services.
[29:33]
>> Yeah.
[29:35]
>> Well, thank you so much.
[29:36]
>> Thanks for the opportunity. Appreciate
[29:38]
it. Thank you for what you know.
[29:41]
>> Thank you.
[29:42]
You're welcome to stay for the rest of
[29:44]
our
[29:47]
[laughter]
[29:49]
>> I haven't seen my wife in 3 days.
[29:52]
>> Thank you so much.
[29:53]
>> Thank you.
[29:54]
>> So now we get to discuss and vote on
[29:56]
November and December's meetings because
[29:58]
usually I mean it's always the fourth
[30:02]
Monday and that's usually the week of
[30:05]
Christmas and Thanksgiving. So, we need
[30:09]
to talk about if we want to do those
[30:11]
weeks, which I don't think we do. So,
[30:13]
let's actually look at the dates.
[30:15]
>> Yes, the the Thanksgiving ends up
[30:18]
following the Monday before
[30:20]
Thanksgiving.
[30:21]
>> Um, so
[30:24]
>> obviously staff will be here as needed
[30:27]
that week. We are scheduled, but really
[30:30]
also it comes down to the
[30:33]
>> uh commitment of of the members as well.
[30:36]
And then I believe the December one,
[30:40]
it's on the 28th. So it's the it's the
[30:42]
week after Christmas,
[30:44]
>> right?
[30:44]
>> But so yeah, I I think I move that we
[30:49]
cancel both of those meetings.
[30:51]
>> Anyone want to second that?
[30:53]
>> Second. Okay, good job.
[30:54]
>> Thanks. [laughter] Say without a
[30:56]
question mark.
[30:57]
>> No.
[30:59]
>> Um,
[31:01]
do you want to have any further
[31:02]
discussion?
[31:04]
>> No. Do you want to you look at you have
[31:06]
discussion videos?
[31:07]
>> No, I don't
[31:10]
December one makes sense to me, but like
[31:12]
November we just think everyone will be
[31:14]
out of town.
[31:15]
>> Yeah, I think I mean cuz it's the Monday
[31:17]
before and there's always people are
[31:19]
traveling and
[31:21]
>> it it tends to be a heavy travel week.
[31:24]
It doesn't always fall the Monday before
[31:26]
Thanksgiving. Sometimes it's the Monday
[31:28]
after. This here it is the Monday
[31:30]
before. Um, so it really comes down to
[31:35]
>> again this committee and their
[31:36]
availability.
[31:38]
>> I have not booked anyone for November at
[31:41]
this time because I knew we were having
[31:42]
this discussion. So I don't have anyone
[31:45]
coming in yet.
[31:47]
>> Um certainly I I do get a little
[31:50]
concerned about quorum during some of
[31:52]
those weeks.
[31:52]
>> Yeah. And since we've been having some
[31:54]
quorum
[31:56]
quandries, um I think that maybe
[32:01]
the November meeting we should also just
[32:03]
mix it.
[32:04]
>> Okay. Well, that's the motion on the
[32:06]
table. So, um I will call a roll.
[32:11]
Cramp
[32:12]
>> I
[32:12]
>> Abacher
[32:13]
>> I.
[32:14]
>> Tolman
[32:15]
>> I.
[32:16]
>> Dang.
[32:16]
>> I Okay, thank you. Okay. So, now we have
[32:21]
discuss future DEI committee projects.
[32:24]
So, I had the amazing opportunity to
[32:28]
chat with Dr. Pang from the Wnebago Area
[32:31]
Literacy Council. She's come in here
[32:33]
before. She's great. Um, we discussed a
[32:37]
lot of things. So, right now the WALC is
[32:41]
drowning in support needs because
[32:43]
they're they're mostly there to teach
[32:45]
language learning classes, but they're
[32:47]
also assisting people with all these
[32:49]
everyday tasks like translating forms
[32:51]
and helping people pay bills, stuff that
[32:53]
isn't really in their
[32:56]
like wheel. It's in their they can do
[32:57]
it, but it's not like why they're there.
[33:00]
Um, so this is why language access is
[33:03]
crucial and not something to be put on
[33:05]
the back burner. Um because the
[33:07]
importance of communication cannot be
[33:09]
overstated. Dr. Pang made it very clear
[33:11]
that doing something at all is
[33:13]
preferable to doing everything
[33:15]
perfectly. So we just have to start. Um
[33:19]
she also noted that this committee kind
[33:21]
of exists in a vacuum and I agree with
[33:23]
her. Um as a group we typically only see
[33:25]
like the leader like we saw Jim and he's
[33:28]
super nice but we don't see typically
[33:30]
see or interact with the people that the
[33:33]
organizations serve. Um, so I think
[33:37]
maybe one time in the 2 and a half years
[33:39]
I've been here that there was a service
[33:41]
user speak like here with the executive
[33:44]
director or whatever. So I think we need
[33:48]
to go out into the community with our
[33:49]
DEI hats on. We need to be visible in
[33:52]
the city and learn as much as we can
[33:54]
from the people who need DEI policies.
[33:56]
So we need to make marginalized people
[33:58]
visible to the people who are always
[34:01]
centered. Um, she had a bunch of other
[34:03]
ideas. In a lot of in some cities and
[34:06]
municip municipalities, radio
[34:08]
announcements like kind of on YouTube
[34:10]
are a thing that a lot of um different
[34:13]
communities who speak different
[34:14]
languages use. So, it'll just be like a
[34:16]
30-se secondond little clip on YouTube
[34:18]
like here's what's going on today in the
[34:20]
city, but like in Mong. Um, and so she
[34:25]
said that that's really effective for a
[34:27]
lot of different language groups and
[34:28]
especially because a lot of the cultures
[34:31]
in Oshkosh have mostly oral traditions.
[34:33]
So a lot of the older people can't read
[34:36]
the languages that they speak. Um, so
[34:39]
this makes it more accessible for
[34:40]
everyone and it's like a quick little
[34:42]
thing to do. Um, she also mentioned
[34:45]
plain language training which I didn't
[34:47]
really know anything about. Um, it's not
[34:49]
like dumbed down language. It's stripped
[34:51]
of confusing and complicated niche terms
[34:54]
or jargon so lay people can understand
[34:55]
it. And if you go to centerforplay plain
[34:58]
language.org, they have all of these
[35:00]
examples of like what a form looked like
[35:02]
before they turned it into plain
[35:04]
language, what a form looked like after.
[35:07]
It's night and day. The form and it's
[35:09]
the form before legally all this jargon
[35:12]
there to for and all this stuff. and
[35:14]
afterwards it just you could get to the
[35:17]
information without having to like claw
[35:18]
through the jargon. Um, so that's
[35:22]
something to keep in mind. There is
[35:23]
plain language training is available. So
[35:25]
that might be something that some people
[35:28]
who help create the website can can look
[35:31]
into. But we also can't rely on Google
[35:34]
Translate to translate the city website.
[35:36]
Um because it rely it results in
[35:39]
inaccurate translations and it requires
[35:42]
users to click on a bunch of stuff. I I
[35:44]
tested it out with my phone and I had to
[35:47]
click like six things to make it turn
[35:50]
into a different language. So and it
[35:52]
also can give poor translations. So, I'm
[35:55]
learning Swahili right now. So, kiga
[35:59]
kalamu literally means to throw a pen.
[36:02]
But that's how you say you're firing
[36:04]
someone. Like if you fire them, you like
[36:06]
throw your pen at them, which I think is
[36:07]
fun. Um, but if you didn't know that
[36:10]
about Swahili and you just saw Kiga
[36:12]
Kamu, you'd be like, "They threw a pen?
[36:15]
What?" So that's why non-human
[36:18]
translations don't really capture the
[36:20]
nuance and meaning of a language. Like
[36:22]
the difference between must and should.
[36:25]
If you say you must pay this by the
[36:27]
first, that's very different than saying
[36:29]
you should pay this by the first, right?
[36:31]
Because one can result in you getting
[36:32]
evicted.
[36:34]
>> Um question.
[36:36]
>> Yeah. Uh since I'm new
[36:37]
>> Mhm.
[36:38]
>> Uh what what is the we're talking about
[36:41]
the city website? Yeah. What's the the
[36:43]
goal here?
[36:44]
>> Kind of everything right now.
[36:45]
>> Yeah. Talking about everything, but I am getting to the city website. So
[36:50]
like what was the point of the interview
[36:53]
with
[36:53]
>> So I talked with her because I we the
[36:56]
last meeting we had we were all we all
[36:58]
talked about what issue in the city is
[37:01]
most important to you right now. What do
[37:03]
you think that the DEI committee could
[37:04]
be doing better?
[37:06]
>> Um and so I'm choosing to focus on
[37:09]
language access stuff. So I decid I I
[37:12]
question that I asked um Dr. Pang was
[37:15]
like what can we take off your plate?
[37:17]
like what would what would it make what
[37:19]
can the city do to make your work
[37:21]
easier?
[37:23]
>> And she said a lot of it is like people
[37:25]
accessing city services through the
[37:27]
website.
[37:28]
>> So
[37:28]
>> maybe maybe a different way to rephrase
[37:30]
it. What is the city currently
[37:32]
outsourcing to
[37:33]
>> exactly? Yeah. What is the city
[37:34]
currently like kind of relying on these
[37:36]
outside organizations for?
[37:39]
>> So although when you say forms and
[37:41]
things that's people have forms they
[37:44]
need completed.
[37:45]
>> Yeah. taking them to
[37:47]
>> they take them there and then they say,
[37:49]
"Yeah, I don't understand this form. Can
[37:51]
you please help me fill it out?"
[37:52]
[clears throat]
[37:52]
>> Yeah. Because the forms are not
[37:54]
available on the website in in most
[37:56]
languages.
[37:57]
>> So almost 7% of Oshkosh residents above
[38:00]
the age of five speak a language other
[38:02]
than English at home. That's 7% of the
[38:04]
population who's being left out of
[38:05]
participating in some city government or
[38:08]
services. Um,
[38:11]
so we need to identify people and groups
[38:13]
who have the time, knowledge, and
[38:14]
capacity to assist with translating
[38:16]
stuff. Um, there's lots of consequences
[38:19]
of lack of ang language access, like if
[38:22]
there's a weather emergency, like when
[38:24]
we have the tornado, I didn't, my next
[38:26]
door neighbors speak Swahili almost
[38:28]
exclusively. And I don't know if like is
[38:32]
are the radio like when your phone is
[38:34]
like whack whack does like it tell you
[38:36]
in Swahili cuz I know for a fact that
[38:38]
iOS Apple does not support any African
[38:41]
languages. Um legal issues if you don't
[38:44]
know how to pay a parking ticket. Um
[38:48]
feeling excluded from your community.
[38:50]
That's the most that's why we're here.
[38:52]
So people who don't speak English as a
[38:54]
first language are not stupid. English
[38:57]
is incredibly difficult to learn. I've
[38:59]
been speaking it for 41 years and I
[39:00]
still mess up all the time. Um, it takes
[39:03]
seven years of dedicated study to become
[39:05]
fluent in a language. So,
[39:08]
we can't expect people to know things
[39:10]
the second that they get here. So, the
[39:12]
purpose of the DEI committee, this is
[39:14]
directly from the city website.
[39:16]
The DEI committee shall act as an
[39:18]
advisory body to the city manager and
[39:20]
common council in providing comment and
[39:22]
support regarding appropriate strategies
[39:23]
to develop activities, resources, and
[39:25]
services that promote a positive
[39:28]
community environment of equity,
[39:29]
inclusion, and celebrate the diverse
[39:31]
identities of the city of Oshkosh. So, I
[39:34]
think we really need to like
[39:36]
read that a bunch to ourselves and
[39:38]
dedicate ourselves to this purpose. So,
[39:42]
all of that to say,
[39:44]
I think as a committee, we need to each
[39:47]
find an organization that focuses on a
[39:50]
marginalized group or a marginalized
[39:55]
sector of our city and meet the people
[39:58]
who use who
[40:00]
use that organization. Attend a meeting
[40:02]
if it's appropriate. Talk to people in
[40:05]
the community about DEI stuff. Go to
[40:07]
where people are. like we can't expect
[40:09]
everyone to come to us. We need to go to
[40:12]
them. So I understand that I'm kind of
[40:16]
being mean to Oshkosh right now a little
[40:17]
bit. But we need to understand the pro
[40:21]
what the problems are before we can fix
[40:22]
the problems. And we can do better than
[40:26]
what we've been doing. So let's do it.
[40:28]
Let's move forward. I believe in us. So
[40:32]
I would like to make a recommendation to
[40:35]
city council.
[40:37]
The recommendation I would like to make
[40:39]
is the DEIA committee recommends that
[40:42]
the city hires multilingual speakers to
[40:44]
translate the most often used pages on
[40:46]
the city website into Mong, Spanish,
[40:48]
Swahili, and Arabic, the four most
[40:50]
widely spoken languages in Oshkosh after
[40:53]
English. Does anyone have any thoughts
[40:56]
about
[40:56]
>> Can you read that again?
[40:57]
>> Yeah. So recommends that the city hires
[41:00]
multilingual speakers to translate the
[41:03]
most often used pages on the city
[41:05]
website into M Spanish, Swahilian
[41:07]
Arabic, the four most widely spoken
[41:09]
languages in Oshkosh after English.
[41:12]
>> What does the workflow look like for
[41:14]
that? So like I'm a person
[41:17]
>> and I need to access something on the
[41:18]
website and I speak Swahili. M
[41:22]
>> so I understand the recommendation but
[41:25]
in [clears throat] terms of feasibility
[41:28]
>> what do you mean
[41:28]
>> like website design?
[41:30]
>> Yeah.
[41:30]
>> Looking at
[41:32]
>> is that actually accessible? So like if
[41:34]
I log in to the city of Ashkosh website
[41:38]
>> how am I going to get to the pages that
[41:40]
are in the language that I can read? So
[41:42]
like I understand we're making the
[41:44]
recommendation. I would assume that it
[41:45]
would have like we would I mean I'm not
[41:47]
the web designer person but I'm assuming
[41:48]
it would have at the top like it would
[41:50]
say like Kuahili and then it would say
[41:52]
like have the links in Swahili and then
[41:56]
or like it would just say like Kswuahili
[41:58]
and then you could click there and it
[41:59]
would take you to the version of the
[42:00]
website probably. This is just an
[42:03]
>> Yeah. What resources do we already have
[42:06]
accessible in any of those languages?
[42:08]
>> None.
[42:09]
>> Zero. The website is only able to be
[42:12]
translated through Google Trans
[42:13]
>> Yeah. It's just reliant on browsers
[42:14]
right now.
[42:15]
>> Yes. Which I don't like
[42:16]
>> and that doesn't work for if it's a PDF
[42:18]
download or something like that. So
[42:20]
that's
[42:20]
>> Yeah. And it takes like so many clicks
[42:22]
to and I and I am a intelligent person
[42:25]
and I could
[42:26]
>> if someone needed to access information.
[42:28]
Do we have physical forms available in
[42:32]
other languages?
[42:32]
>> Yes.
[42:34]
>> I don't also are there any translators
[42:36]
that are available like phone
[42:37]
translators for that who work for the
[42:39]
city? We also, sorry, this is going to
[42:40]
be a nitpicky. A translator and an
[42:42]
interpreter are not the same thing.
[42:44]
>> So, um,
[42:46]
>> I mean, maybe what I'm hearing too is is
[42:49]
do we maybe need to take a a preliminary
[42:52]
step and propose like hiring a
[42:54]
consultant to audit first or something
[42:57]
like that? I don't know.
[42:58]
>> I feel like we don't have there's no
[43:01]
budget for that, I don't think.
[43:03]
>> But would there be a budget to hire
[43:05]
multi like
[43:06]
>> Mhm. There's not a there's not a budget,
[43:10]
right? Like there's not a line item.
[43:13]
Like so I can make the recommendation,
[43:15]
but is it a realistic?
[43:18]
>> If like
[43:18]
>> I feel like I realistic here for a long
[43:20]
time and I really just want to
[43:23]
>> I want to take Dr. Pang's
[43:26]
dos into consideration and like we need
[43:29]
to do a thing and I feel like this is
[43:32]
like the tiniest ask. It's so tiny like
[43:36]
you you could
[43:37]
>> the recommendation is a tiny ask the
[43:40]
actual
[43:42]
implementation
[43:43]
and somebody who designs my website
[43:46]
that's a significant amount of bandwidth
[43:48]
I'm using Sony
[43:50]
>> I used to work in corporate um
[43:52]
[clears throat and laughter] please
[43:52]
excuse my corporate terms
[43:55]
>> but you know what I mean
[43:56]
>> but I mean I think that's that's what
[43:58]
we're recommending right is we're asking
[44:00]
city manager or whoever uh
[44:02]
>> like uh
[44:03]
>> cuz this needs to happen. say do a
[44:06]
feasibility study and say how much would
[44:08]
this cost either and that's why I'm
[44:09]
saying I don't know if the first step is
[44:11]
you need to hire these people or if the
[44:12]
first step is we need to bring in you
[44:14]
again it's not up to us but what we
[44:16]
would recommend
[44:18]
>> doing is say the first step is actually
[44:20]
maybe you need to hire a consultant to
[44:22]
audit cuz even even as we've seen it's
[44:24]
hard for us to have the time or it's
[44:26]
hard for us to outsource to someone like
[44:28]
the literacy council to say like okay we
[44:30]
just hope you do this on your free time
[44:31]
you know [clears throat]
[44:32]
>> um
[44:34]
>> and right we're an advisory committee.
[44:35]
We can't actually
[44:38]
the actionable things that we can do.
[44:41]
>> It's ultimately the council,
[44:42]
>> right? Yeah.
[44:43]
>> What do you have a question?
[44:44]
>> Yeah. Um, so what percent of that 7% can
[44:48]
actually read in their like first
[44:50]
language?
[44:50]
>> I am not sure. I could not find that
[44:52]
statistic.
[44:53]
>> But did you say that like most adults
[44:55]
can't read in their
[44:56]
>> I said that so like especially for um
[44:58]
older monk people, it's mostly an oral
[45:00]
tradition and for older people who speak
[45:03]
as well. Yeah.
[45:04]
>> Um, so that's why like another easy I
[45:08]
mean easy thing I just
[45:11]
>> I think that we could make the
[45:13]
recommendation and then they can
[45:17]
they
[45:18]
>> we make more than one recommendation.
[45:20]
>> I mean yeah we've only ever made too
[45:23]
like I like it's not specifically the
[45:27]
website it's that communication access
[45:29]
is a barrier.
[45:30]
>> Yeah. And this is why the first step.
[45:33]
>> So the website is great, but if I have a
[45:36]
hard time reading my native language, I
[45:39]
am still going to need to physically go
[45:42]
somewhere to have someone help me. So in
[45:46]
terms of Ashka, like we already have a
[45:48]
free legal clinic.
[45:50]
>> We have other um organizations that
[45:54]
offer like bring in your broken sewing
[45:57]
machine. I'll help you fix it.
[45:58]
Why can't we as a community
[46:02]
utilize volunte make a recommendation
[46:04]
that we're utilizing volunteers that
[46:06]
already speak that language? I mean, we
[46:08]
could utilize volunteers, but I wanted
[46:10]
to pay people for their work. Um,
[46:14]
especially cuz these will be people who
[46:16]
are not white people. Um, and they're
[46:19]
doing work. So, I mean, we could ask for
[46:23]
volunteers, but I'd rather pay. I guess
[46:25]
if I'm a community member and I know my
[46:28]
brother's grandma needs help filling out
[46:31]
a piece of paper, I will gladly give my
[46:33]
free labor to help somebody fill out
[46:35]
documentation.
[46:36]
>> No, I understand that.
[46:37]
>> I think we can hope for that. And this
[46:38]
would this would be my reason to still
[46:40]
lean towards recommending um because we
[46:42]
don't want to depend on that cuz not
[46:44]
everyone has that. Um and once that runs
[46:47]
up, it still leaves people out to dry
[46:50]
who depend on these services. And if
[46:52]
this is something that you know whether
[46:54]
it be city forms or whatever we can't
[46:57]
just hope that someone has a family
[46:59]
friend or someone to help them. Now by
[47:01]
all means I I hope they do and there are
[47:03]
a lot of people I think that's why how a
[47:05]
lot of people are getting by right now
[47:06]
>> but if it's dependent on that that still
[47:09]
leaves a lot of people out to dry who
[47:11]
don't have that. That would be my
[47:12]
>> and I'm specifically saying that we
[47:14]
should hire people because I was like
[47:18]
Dr. Pang has all these volunteers who
[47:22]
work with her doing all this stuff
[47:25]
already.
[47:27]
Kind of like because the city isn't
[47:29]
doing it, she's like helping people do
[47:32]
it, but that's like not her job. So,
[47:35]
>> does the literacy council have
[47:38]
defined parameters on the services that
[47:41]
they provide?
[47:42]
>> Yes. And she said they are drowning in
[47:44]
support needs and that this would be
[47:45]
something that would be great if she
[47:46]
didn't have to do anymore. Are there
[47:48]
other resources within the Ash community
[47:51]
besides? So I hear feasibility study.
[47:54]
None of these are an immediate or
[47:57]
efficient fix to the accessibility
[47:59]
problem, right? So we have like it's a
[48:02]
three-legged stool. The website being
[48:04]
redone is great. Having people in the
[48:07]
community available to help our
[48:08]
community members is also great. What's
[48:11]
the third thing? Right? Because if one
[48:14]
of those fails, like what is our Swiss
[48:17]
cheese?
[48:18]
>> Well, currently we don't have any of
[48:19]
them. So,
[48:20]
>> and that's why I'd be an advocate for
[48:21]
moving in that direction. My my only
[48:24]
question going back to my initial point,
[48:25]
I I just don't know if the first action
[48:27]
step is hire these or if the first
[48:29]
action step is
[48:30]
>> bring someone into audit to even see.
[48:33]
>> Yeah,
[48:33]
>> you could do both at the same time
[48:35]
realistically. But
[48:36]
>> if our [clears throat] recommendation is
[48:38]
y'all need to look at the website, isn't
[48:40]
that the recommendation? Like do we have
[48:42]
to tell the city council
[48:44]
>> I mean yeah how to do their
[48:46]
>> well we need to tell them specifically
[48:47]
that this is what
[48:49]
>> someone's going to have to it's going to
[48:50]
take employee time and I doubt there's
[48:52]
any employees who just have hours
[48:54]
sitting by right now.
[48:55]
>> Do we know what the most accessed pages
[48:58]
on the website are?
[48:59]
>> I'm guessing someone does but
[49:01]
>> yeah someone that I'm sure our
[49:03]
communications department does know.
[49:06]
>> Um currently there is actually
[49:08]
initiative to redo the website. I do not
[49:11]
know specifically what that all entails.
[49:15]
>> Uh what I could do is see if we could
[49:18]
get someone from communications to share
[49:21]
what that scope looks like right now cuz
[49:23]
I I don't know what the scope looks like
[49:26]
for the website. Um, I don't know if
[49:30]
it's a redesign or an upgrade or or what
[49:32]
the the intention exactly is, but I
[49:35]
think um my recommendation regarding
[49:38]
your recommendation
[49:40]
>> is that um
[49:42]
>> I see if I can get someone from
[49:43]
communications to come to our next
[49:45]
meeting
[49:46]
>> uh understand maybe what the scope right
[49:48]
now is of the project
[49:50]
>> and that also then if we put your
[49:52]
recommendation on the next agenda that
[49:55]
gives people a little bit of time to
[49:57]
think about do I agree with this
[49:59]
recommendation since we didn't say we
[50:01]
were going to take any action today. So
[50:04]
I I want to be careful that and I
[50:08]
understand it's only a recommendation
[50:10]
but this way we can um put it on the
[50:13]
next one that we are going to consider a
[50:15]
recommendation
[50:17]
um and we'll figure out how to write
[50:18]
that off if it's exactly your verbiage
[50:21]
>> um or maybe and I put in the agenda or
[50:23]
similar
[50:24]
>> so that we can
[50:27]
>> finish vetting this out without putting
[50:29]
everybody into a are we recommending or
[50:32]
not recommending right this minute.
[50:34]
>> Okay.
[50:34]
>> If that is comfortable.
[50:37]
>> And yeah, I like I like bringing someone
[50:39]
in from the communication engagement
[50:41]
division um
[50:42]
>> and seeing what is the current
[50:44]
initiative.
[50:45]
>> I I'm trying to think of it might be
[50:48]
nice if we had some questions prepared
[50:50]
for them ahead of time so they could
[50:51]
come in with some of that.
[50:53]
>> Um I'm sure we all have our own
[50:55]
questions. That's one of the big one is
[50:57]
like what's the website? But this this
[50:59]
is beyond the website, you know, the
[51:00]
communication engagement. This is just
[51:01]
like a one first little step to
[51:04]
>> Can you give me an example of what
[51:06]
they're asking? A lot of this like in
[51:08]
terms of social services, a lot of that
[51:09]
is coming through the state of Wisconsin
[51:11]
like access.gov. So we wouldn't have any
[51:13]
control over that in terms of like if I
[51:15]
need access to food share gradu
[51:20]
when you go into the website it is just
[51:21]
in English. So if you want it at the top
[51:23]
it's like government what to do? No,
[51:25]
[laughter] no, no. I understand that.
[51:26]
But I'm saying like
[51:27]
>> so those type of services I don't think
[51:28]
what we're talking about
[51:29]
>> literacy council what you brought up as
[51:32]
Dr. Pang said people are bringing in
[51:34]
forms for us to help fill out. I am
[51:37]
asking
[51:39]
>> for that was just her example. She
[51:40]
didn't tell
[51:41]
>> cuz my question is if it's forms that
[51:43]
are the city of Ashkosh owns right then
[51:47]
we can say hey we're recommending this
[51:49]
change the website. No how often do we
[51:51]
go on the city of Ash website? I go on
[51:55]
maybe twice a year. So if I'm looking
[51:57]
for a specific form, that's why I'm just
[52:00]
asking if Dr.
[52:01]
>> P. I initially had had when I was
[52:04]
working on this, I initially had like
[52:06]
let's find out the four most used forms
[52:09]
or whatever,
[52:10]
>> which that could be something too. But
[52:13]
also, if you try if you go to the
[52:14]
website and you're trying to find the
[52:15]
forms and the website is not in the
[52:17]
language you speak, you can't find the
[52:18]
forms in the first place. So
[52:20]
>> sure, like
[52:21]
>> but if we're So I think there's two
[52:23]
different things. there's accessibility
[52:24]
to the website and then the literacy
[52:26]
council doesn't have enough bandwidth,
[52:28]
right? Those are two separate things.
[52:30]
>> So, this isn't really even about the
[52:31]
literacy council as much. It's about
[52:33]
like this is the notes that Dr. Pang had
[52:36]
about things we can do to actually like
[52:40]
make change in the city and a lot of it
[52:42]
is the language access stuff and
[52:46]
it's frustrating to go that there's it's
[52:49]
only in English and there's so many
[52:51]
people who don't speak English. So that
[52:53]
is just why I was focusing just on the
[52:57]
website in those four languages. I think
[52:59]
that we can get real big with it at some
[53:03]
point if we want to, but from my time on
[53:05]
here, I have learned that things move
[53:08]
very slowly and that you kind of just
[53:11]
have to focus on little bits. And I
[53:14]
think that this is a good bit to focus
[53:15]
on. I think yeah, getting people in from
[53:17]
the communities like what how like maybe we can even ask people who come in
[53:24]
like can you just like test like use the
[53:26]
website like give them a little homework
[53:28]
like find this form
[53:30]
>> and like see if it's possible see how
[53:34]
easy it is. I don't think anybody
[53:35]
disagrees with you that there's a access
[53:38]
barrier. Like that's not a problem. But
[53:40]
what is the purpose?
[53:43]
>> We are recommending to city council that
[53:47]
the website needs to be evaluated for
[53:50]
>> language barriers and access and needs
[53:53]
to be updated into the most common
[53:54]
languages.
[53:55]
>> Yeah.
[53:58]
>> And I understand it's the government.
[53:59]
I'm failing to see
[54:02]
how that's the only thing we can do. I
[54:06]
>> You never said it was the only thing we
[54:07]
can do. It's not the only thing we can
[54:08]
do. It's just this is my focus
[54:12]
for that. We decided that we were each
[54:14]
going to have a little focus. Mine is
[54:16]
language access. I had seen Dr. Pang at
[54:20]
an event. So, I set up a coffee with her
[54:23]
because she knows a lot about language
[54:25]
access in the city. So, that is why that
[54:28]
is my focus.
[54:29]
Okay. What have other members brought up
[54:32]
as what like what their focus is?
[54:34]
>> This this is a pretty new initiative.
[54:37]
>> We've really actually had someone come
[54:38]
back with
[54:40]
>> a recommendation from their passionate
[54:43]
area of focus.
[54:44]
>> Yeah. So that's why this is mine.
[54:46]
>> Right. Right.
[54:48]
>> Andy, what was yours? Did you want to
[54:49]
share what you
[54:51]
>> um Yeah. And I haven't had much time to
[54:53]
look into it. I have had some
[54:54]
conversations. Um what I was focused on
[54:56]
was uh civic engagement pipeline and
[54:58]
making sure that we have more
[54:59]
representation around town that people
[55:01]
understand how to
[55:02]
>> be civically engaged and access and have
[55:04]
more um just diverse representation.
[55:09]
>> Um one not to get off too much tangent
[55:12]
but this could be something we could
[55:13]
talk about another time. I don't have
[55:14]
much information about this yet but you
[55:16]
had brought up earlier
[55:18]
as you were talking through about even
[55:21]
just informing people that like this is
[55:22]
here. We want to talk to people. I know
[55:25]
some other boards and commissions do
[55:27]
things in the public like I know the
[55:28]
sustainability board like they will go
[55:30]
table at um the farmers market and stuff
[55:34]
like that. So I that was one idea I
[55:36]
thought of like oh we could do things
[55:38]
like that too. Maybe we could find
[55:39]
spaces where we go out but again that
[55:41]
takes volunteer time for us to say okay
[55:43]
we have a couple of us who are going to
[55:44]
go do something. Maybe we could even
[55:46]
team up with some other ones who are
[55:48]
doing stuff like that and say, "Hey,
[55:49]
let's go out in the community and say,
[55:51]
does this community, you know, what
[55:53]
areas of Oshkosh feel inclusive or not
[55:55]
inclusive and what should we be aware
[55:57]
of?"
[55:58]
>> Um, that was one idea.
[56:00]
>> I enjoy volunteering. I don't have a
[56:02]
problem also saying, "Hey, as a
[56:03]
committee, shouldn't we be volunteering
[56:05]
at the places we have people coming to
[56:07]
tell us about?" So, if we want to meet
[56:09]
the people,
[56:10]
>> we go volunteer.
[56:12]
>> That's something we talked about. Uh
[56:14]
we've talked about this several times of
[56:15]
even just instead of only just bringing
[56:17]
people in us finding opportunities to
[56:19]
say you even Jim tonight said you know
[56:21]
give tours for us being able to reach
[56:23]
out and say let's go take Dr. about that
[56:25]
too of taking a tour through the
[56:27]
literacy council coming back and
[56:29]
reporting here and saying this is what I
[56:30]
learned and essentially what I mean you
[56:32]
didn't tour through the literacy council
[56:33]
but you had a conversation essentially
[56:35]
that going out talking and bringing that
[56:37]
information back and saying now what do
[56:38]
we do with this information
[56:40]
>> or like OASD also right good resource
[56:43]
they have a lot of people [laughter]
[56:45]
>> so in terms of
[56:47]
um when I
[56:51]
hear we're making this recommendation to
[56:53]
a government body knowing it's going to
[56:55]
take time, money, and energy that the
[56:58]
city doesn't have to spare at the
[57:01]
moment. Is there a way that we can
[57:08]
I'm trying to think of how to phrase
[57:09]
this.
[57:11]
What is the handoff? Right? Like we make
[57:13]
the recommendation
[57:16]
then what? Then it goes to city council,
[57:18]
>> right? city council would then discuss
[57:21]
what if any action they would like the
[57:23]
city manager to take. Um because
[57:26]
realistically
[57:28]
it is an advisory group. So anything
[57:31]
that's recommended
[57:33]
um I would of course forward that
[57:34]
recommendation to the city manager and
[57:36]
council um and then they would discuss
[57:39]
and decide if they want the city to take
[57:42]
any any specific action. Obviously, they
[57:44]
do understand any action that they ask
[57:47]
the city to take is going to potentially
[57:50]
take staff time or dollars or both to
[57:53]
implement and that is part of their job,
[57:56]
right? Is to decide where the city's
[57:59]
resources should be implemented. Yeah.
[58:03]
>> Right. Right.
[58:05]
>> And I think it's worth acknowledging
[58:06]
that everything takes dollars. It's just
[58:09]
whether or not we prioritize it. And if
[58:11]
we want the city of Ashkosh to be an
[58:12]
inclusive city, we need to say there are
[58:15]
dollars.
[58:16]
>> They just for whatever reason haven't
[58:18]
been allocated this way. And if we want
[58:20]
to prioritize this, let's allocate some
[58:22]
dollar. We just This is one of the areas
[58:23]
I think we've struggled with in the
[58:24]
past. No, what does it actually look
[58:26]
like? What do you allocate them to? And
[58:28]
this is a practical example
[58:30]
>> uh or a practical idea of we could
[58:33]
allocate to this. And they may hear this
[58:35]
and they may say, "Actually, we think
[58:37]
it'd be better to do that." Mhm.
[58:39]
>> But then at least it's [clears throat]
[58:41]
in the city council record. They've
[58:42]
discussed it. Like it's something we
[58:44]
could bring up again like, "Hey, could
[58:45]
you revisit this recommendation we
[58:47]
made?"
[58:48]
>> And I think like it is like a practical
[58:52]
thing that you can point at and say,
[58:54]
"Our committee did that." And also like
[58:56]
now more people actually can find out
[58:59]
how to pay their parking ticket or
[59:01]
whatever and maybe not, you know, have a
[59:04]
ding on their record or, you know, or
[59:07]
ding in their credit. Dr. Pang told me a
[59:09]
story of this woman who she didn't
[59:13]
understand how to move her utilities
[59:15]
like from one apartment to another
[59:16]
apartment. So she had just been paying
[59:18]
both utilities for like a month and a
[59:20]
half cuz she didn't know how to do it
[59:22]
and she didn't want to stop paying one
[59:23]
cuz she didn't want to get a ding on her
[59:24]
credit. So it was like
[59:27]
>> that's a good that's a good example
[59:29]
because that is a city service you ask
[59:31]
before was like and so
[59:32]
>> I think if we can get more stories like
[59:34]
that even be able to bring the you know
[59:36]
council if you know
[59:38]
>> when we
[59:39]
>> write a resolution or recommendation for
[59:41]
resolution I don't know what the proper
[59:43]
terminology is
[59:44]
>> and say we are seeing these things
[59:46]
happen exe y and z and this is why we're
[59:48]
proposing you to do this I think that
[59:51]
would really help
[59:52]
>> would you be able to ask Dr. paying just
[59:54]
like the difference between
[59:58]
somebody coming in cuz I need help
[1:00:00]
understanding something read to me
[1:00:03]
>> or city service assistance, right? So,
[1:00:07]
like I think having some statistics to
[1:00:09]
say like, hey, this one specific thing
[1:00:13]
is super confusing and nobody can figure
[1:00:15]
it out.
[1:00:16]
>> Cuz resource-wise, updating a website,
[1:00:19]
literally it took me 7 hours of code to
[1:00:21]
update my own business website last week
[1:00:23]
and that was for one page. that I think
[1:00:27]
like it would be a lot easier to have a
[1:00:30]
translator redo a form that you can make
[1:00:35]
as a resource like here's this form in
[1:00:38]
your native language
[1:00:41]
>> it's available.
[1:00:42]
>> Yeah. I just feel like cuz the forms you
[1:00:44]
have to like
[1:00:46]
>> I don't know. I think that the website
[1:00:48]
>> I have found in helping people access
[1:00:51]
social services, it's often easier to
[1:00:53]
physically hand someone a paper form to
[1:00:56]
fill out than it is to try and explain
[1:00:58]
and navigate a website.
[1:01:00]
>> Yeah. And I can't remember this. I And
[1:01:02]
this is why I said we might need to do
[1:01:03]
some sort of audit cuz I thought like
[1:01:05]
legally we have to have some of those
[1:01:06]
things on hand.
[1:01:07]
>> You should.
[1:01:08]
>> I think I I don't know. I think legally
[1:01:10]
the city has to have some of those
[1:01:11]
things on hand. Typically in Wisconsin,
[1:01:15]
>> um, public information should be
[1:01:16]
English, Spanish, Mon,
[1:01:18]
>> but that might just be physical. I don't
[1:01:20]
know what the
[1:01:21]
>> Yes, you have to have a physical
[1:01:25]
theoretically have to have a physical
[1:01:27]
copy of that available.
[1:01:29]
>> But I'm saying I don't know what the
[1:01:30]
Does that apply to digital copies too?
[1:01:32]
Does
[1:01:32]
>> I don't think so.
[1:01:34]
>> So that I mean that's something we need
[1:01:35]
to figure out. And all all that being
[1:01:37]
said, like even the things that I don't
[1:01:39]
want the city to do just what's legally
[1:01:41]
required cuz we know that's always the
[1:01:42]
bare minimum. Um, and that's where I
[1:01:45]
want to figure out
[1:01:46]
>> where are people struggling to navigate.
[1:01:48]
And even this I think this is really
[1:01:50]
good information you got is hearing that
[1:01:52]
people are struggling. There are still
[1:01:54]
forms they're bringing brought in
[1:01:56]
>> and and maybe we find out, oh, there
[1:01:57]
actually was a translated form. It just
[1:01:59]
wasn't easy to know that or wasn't easy
[1:02:01]
to find it. And that's a different
[1:02:02]
solution.
[1:02:03]
>> Exactly.
[1:02:04]
>> It wasn't easy to know. It was an easy
[1:02:05]
to find. It was translated poorly. It
[1:02:07]
was
[1:02:07]
>> maybe it's out of date. Maybe it never
[1:02:09]
got updated the last one.
[1:02:10]
>> That's true. Cuz like maybe they updated
[1:02:12]
it on the website, but no one thought to
[1:02:15]
translate an update like you know
[1:02:17]
>> my background is in organizational
[1:02:18]
behavior management. So that's why I'm
[1:02:20]
like very
[1:02:21]
>> I like put things in columns and then
[1:02:24]
check them off.
[1:02:25]
>> [laughter]
[1:02:26]
>> Um thinking you had mentioned though and
[1:02:30]
I want to focus on that the the elderly
[1:02:35]
people.
[1:02:36]
>> We know mom wasn't written
[1:02:39]
>> until the 1960s. I don't know the
[1:02:41]
history of Sweet Lee. So
[1:02:43]
>> it was more like more recently
[1:02:45]
>> but thinking about in terms of right a
[1:02:48]
whole website redesign is hard. Is it
[1:02:51]
possible to add oral
[1:02:54]
>> like a video of somebody giving the
[1:02:57]
directions
[1:02:59]
>> as if they can't read it anyways?
[1:03:01]
>> Yeah.
[1:03:01]
>> No, that's that's that's an idea that
[1:03:04]
>> I think that's that's something that
[1:03:05]
could come up if we get something like a
[1:03:07]
feasibility
[1:03:09]
>> making a recommendation. It could be
[1:03:12]
evaluate this and then I don't know
[1:03:16]
whoever does that feasibility study. But
[1:03:21]
yeah, I think that the notes are good
[1:03:24]
and we can discuss about how to put it
[1:03:27]
on for next time. We can I'll I'll talk
[1:03:30]
to Dr. Pang and ask her for if there's
[1:03:31]
like any specific forms that people come
[1:03:34]
to her with a lot. Um,
[1:03:38]
and then I'll try to do some My
[1:03:41]
husband's a data analytics manager, so
[1:03:43]
I'll use his skills. Um,
[1:03:48]
well, and I can see what I can find out
[1:03:50]
from the most used forms. I mean, I
[1:03:53]
don't I don't know what data we have,
[1:03:55]
but I'll certainly see what I can find
[1:03:57]
out from our um either communications
[1:04:00]
department or even the the departments
[1:04:03]
themselves that are
[1:04:05]
>> I mean, obviously, there are forms that
[1:04:08]
the clerk's office
[1:04:10]
>> um you know,
[1:04:12]
>> needs people to fill out. There are
[1:04:14]
people applying for services and
[1:04:16]
community development.
[1:04:18]
>> Um there are people paying their utility
[1:04:20]
bills.
[1:04:21]
>> Yeah. uh online or in person.
[1:04:25]
>> Um and we are I know we are putting more
[1:04:29]
and more forms online.
[1:04:32]
Um
[1:04:34]
there's still obviously option to come
[1:04:36]
in and and pay bills and and pro and
[1:04:39]
have things done in person, but um there
[1:04:42]
are more and more forms going online
[1:04:46]
>> and I'm not overly familiar with the
[1:04:50]
>> the platform that we're using. Um, I
[1:04:53]
think it also has translation
[1:04:56]
now, but I I will not pretend to be an
[1:04:59]
expert
[1:05:00]
>> on on the software or the
[1:05:04]
translatability
[1:05:05]
>> of uh some of the new online services
[1:05:08]
we've been providing.
[1:05:10]
>> And I'd be willing to guess it's a whole
[1:05:11]
suite of different software providers.
[1:05:14]
Mhm.
[1:05:14]
>> So even if one software provider has the
[1:05:17]
ability that does this thing and
[1:05:18]
everything does
[1:05:18]
>> overall city website is not
[1:05:22]
it doesn't flow very well.
[1:05:24]
>> Yes, this is we have discussed this. we
[1:05:26]
have discussed this
[1:05:27]
>> and and like I said the there is a
[1:05:30]
project at this time
[1:05:32]
>> that's a big [clears throat]
[1:05:33]
>> yes to redesign
[1:05:36]
>> and especially since that project is
[1:05:37]
ongoing this is something that
[1:05:40]
>> right
[1:05:40]
>> it's a good time to at least be looking
[1:05:43]
at this as part of the website redesign
[1:05:48]
>> and also making city council aware that
[1:05:50]
this is
[1:05:51]
>> is important yeah
[1:05:52]
>> and I think when we get to that point
[1:05:54]
too uh one of the things that would
[1:05:56]
matter to me is that not only do we say
[1:06:00]
let's [clears throat]
[1:06:00]
fill the holes that have existed before,
[1:06:03]
>> but I wonder if there are some way that
[1:06:04]
we can recommend to council to say we
[1:06:07]
don't want to have this problem again in
[1:06:08]
the future. So making sure anytime a new
[1:06:10]
form or new like there's a requirement.
[1:06:13]
>> I don't actually know what council is
[1:06:15]
able to do cuz that's more of a
[1:06:17]
department policy, but they might be
[1:06:18]
able to
[1:06:20]
>> legislate something that says we want to
[1:06:22]
require that every time this happens, it
[1:06:24]
needs to be translated into these. Mhm.
[1:06:25]
>> Seven language or what whatever it is so
[1:06:27]
we don't have this problem in 5 years
[1:06:28]
when all we have all these new forms.
[1:06:30]
>> That's a great idea
[1:06:31]
>> and and that's where I would say that
[1:06:33]
could fall somewhere between the
[1:06:36]
authority of the city manager and the
[1:06:38]
authority of council. Um so I would
[1:06:43]
as I mentioned I would share this with
[1:06:45]
city manager and council. Um because the
[1:06:48]
city manager directs staff
[1:06:50]
>> the council directs city manager. So,
[1:06:54]
you know, ultimately the city manager is
[1:06:58]
going to direct staff to have policies
[1:07:00]
and procedures in place for everything
[1:07:03]
that we do.
[1:07:05]
Okay.
[1:07:08]
Anything else on
[1:07:10]
you? Yes, I'm not on this. I can share.
[1:07:12]
>> Yeah. Um, so I've been working on just
[1:07:16]
looking at different resources and
[1:07:17]
assets that we have in our community.
[1:07:19]
Um, so I started with food. We actually
[1:07:22]
have quite a few different um like
[1:07:24]
entities that are making their own
[1:07:26]
resource maps. Um so like the Winnebago
[1:07:29]
County Health um has interactive food
[1:07:32]
resource map and a local like food list.
[1:07:34]
So it lists all our pantries in the area
[1:07:37]
um just like when they're open um
[1:07:39]
eligibility, things like that. Um the
[1:07:41]
Ashkosh Area United Way connects people
[1:07:43]
to 211. So, there's that website that
[1:07:46]
you can navigate um look up different
[1:07:47]
resources, but you can also call the
[1:07:49]
number um and then the city of Oshkosh
[1:07:52]
and housing authorities share housing
[1:07:54]
resources and public health and ADRC
[1:07:56]
also um publish help and support
[1:07:59]
information. So, I've just kind of been
[1:08:00]
pulling those different ones and just
[1:08:02]
seeing like
[1:08:04]
>> like which resources overlap and maybe
[1:08:06]
which ones are missing. Um and I'm just
[1:08:09]
going to continue doing that cuz I think
[1:08:10]
a lot of people are already doing the
[1:08:12]
work. It's just kind of putting it
[1:08:13]
together.
[1:08:14]
>> Yeah. Mhm.
[1:08:15]
>> Yeah.
[1:08:16]
>> That's great.
[1:08:16]
>> I think we kind of discover today um I I
[1:08:20]
don't think we all knew in this room
[1:08:22]
what Father Carr
[1:08:25]
>> was all doing. I didn't realize that
[1:08:27]
they had a a food
[1:08:30]
>> uh pantry. Um so I think again
[1:08:34]
>> knowing what all the resources are for
[1:08:36]
people in the community is something
[1:08:38]
we've been trying to work on in this
[1:08:41]
committee. right, is getting the word
[1:08:43]
out there because there are a lot of
[1:08:45]
great resources out there to help
[1:08:46]
people.
[1:08:47]
>> Uh, but the the issue is people don't
[1:08:50]
know what resources are out there to
[1:08:52]
help them.
[1:08:54]
>> Yeah. And I think that's where like
[1:08:56]
Amanda, your language piece comes in too
[1:08:58]
cuz I'm finding that like everything's
[1:09:00]
typically in English obviously. Um, but
[1:09:02]
it's like once we have like a knowledge
[1:09:04]
of what these resources are, then we can
[1:09:07]
think about like can people access and
[1:09:08]
like what are the barriers and language
[1:09:10]
is a common barrier and like
[1:09:12]
transportation is a common barrier. So I
[1:09:14]
think it'll be nice to identify those.
[1:09:16]
>> Yeah.
[1:09:16]
>> Based on the resources.
[1:09:18]
>> Thank you. That's awesome.
[1:09:21]
>> Anything else
[1:09:27]
before we move on to the next thing?
[1:09:31]
Okay. committee table committee member
[1:09:33]
round table share DEI related activities
[1:09:35]
and events in the area.
[1:09:38]
I didn't write anything down cuz I was
[1:09:40]
doing this other stuff. Does anyone have
[1:09:42]
anything that they what's going on in
[1:09:46]
September and October? So, I did just
[1:09:48]
write down one that I know is coming up
[1:09:50]
dia del uh dia de los mutos at the
[1:09:55]
museum every October. Um, this year
[1:09:59]
people can participate by submitting
[1:10:01]
photos of loved ones to honor. Um, they
[1:10:04]
can do that through October 23rd. They
[1:10:07]
can drop off a copy during museum hours,
[1:10:09]
which are 10:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
[1:10:12]
Tuesday through Saturday. The event
[1:10:14]
itself is Saturday, October 26th.
[1:10:17]
Certainly, if you're looking for more
[1:10:19]
information, the Ashkosh Museum um has
[1:10:22]
more information out there. But this is,
[1:10:24]
I think, their fourth annual.
[1:10:27]
>> Yeah.
[1:10:28]
>> Um and it has been more and more
[1:10:31]
attended every single year.
[1:10:33]
>> It's amazing.
[1:10:34]
>> Yeah.
[1:10:35]
>> At the public museum.
[1:10:36]
>> Yeah.
[1:10:36]
>> It's at the public museum, correct?
[1:10:38]
>> Yep.
[1:10:39]
>> It's so fun. And that's so nice that
[1:10:41]
they're doing pictures of love.
[1:10:43]
>> Yeah. I think this is new this year. I I
[1:10:45]
had not heard about this in previous
[1:10:46]
years. So
[1:10:47]
>> that's nice. Does anyone have any other
[1:10:50]
fun events?
[1:10:51]
>> I'm trying to find the date. Um there's
[1:10:55]
two different hotels in the area that do
[1:10:59]
a sensory
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>> friendly free trick-or-treating event.
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So different area organizations sponsor
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a room.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Um and I cannot find the date, but I
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will find it and then we can add that.
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Mhm.
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>> Um
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there's also one in Watertown, but
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>> yeah, that's far away.
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>> Um and then the
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church,
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Kitty Corner from here,
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they do a trunk or treat.
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>> Oh, wow.
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>> That's daytime,
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>> very small,
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>> very accommodating.
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>> Yeah, that's there are a lot of really
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nice trunker treats. And I trunker
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trading was not a thing when I was a
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kid. And it's like
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>> kind of fun. People really go all out
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with their trunks.
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>> And you don't have to walk far.
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>> Yeah. And then no one's home anyway cuz
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everyone's at the trunk.
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>> Yep.
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>> Is there any other any other fun events?
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There probably are. I just don't know
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what they are.
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there any do we know what's going on
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in in council meetings of outstanding
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items? Future items?
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>> Yeah. Unfortunately, no. I did not um
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>> Don't worry about it. I did not collect
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what's going on on council
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>> um right now. Budget, budget, budget.
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>> Um there will be all sorts of budget
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meetings coming up throughout October
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that anyone who wants to watch them is
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welcome to tune in. Um, off the top of
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my head, I know the the next the I think
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the first operations part of the budget
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meeting is October 13th. There's one
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October 13th, one October 14th. I think
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there's one October 15th, and then I
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think there's another couple of days
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after that.
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>> Um, and that's the operating. There have
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already been a lot of meetings on
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capital improvement. Um but operating
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budget which is basically all of our
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budgets that we spend on
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>> people
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resources websites fuel uh you know all
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of the things that uh
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>> make the city run.
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>> Yeah.
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So those are important meetings.
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So watch those or go to them. Are those
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open to the public?
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>> Generally yes they are open to the
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public. Um
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>> I started saying it. We don't we don't
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have a lot of people that come for the
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budget workshops necessarily. Um it is
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not an open forum but anybody is welcome
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to come watch.
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>> No
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>> I can't be a spectator. I don't know
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>> and you I mean you can get those uh
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forms and everything the slides
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everything afterwards and review
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>> that's my suggestion to people is is to
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read the stuff afterward and for anyone
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watching if anyone like that actually is
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super helpful because that is where you
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see different areas of inclusivity and
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diversity like saying cuz sometimes you
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miss those things I mean we can't know
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everything there's only a few of us on
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this board and council can't know
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everything like
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>> even as we're talking about
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>> tonight the example of uh language
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access
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>> you don't know unless usually you are
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someone impacted by it
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>> and some people might see that in the
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budget um issue uh budget discussions
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that
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>> budget is disproportionately impacted
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because it always is we just don't know
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where and that's what we need to know
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and I would love if people brought that
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forward to us and said hey did you know
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this you should talk about this
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>> um same thing goes with zoning uh which
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is a conversation happening
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>> um right now too um is just how that
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disproportionately impacts other people
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of how we update our zoning codes and whatnot Um I have uh different
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thoughts but nothing gather enough to
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talk tonight but definitely would love
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to hear from people who are watching
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those things, listening to those things
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and saying hey this is
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disproportionately impacting and we need
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to think about this as a city how we
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handle this.
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>> Yeah for sure people in the community
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you can tell us email us. All of our
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email addresses are on the city website.
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So if you have things you want to tell
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us nice things maybe um cuz we we are
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here to help.
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>> Right. There is a specific DEI email as
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well. Um, off the top of my head, I
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think it's just DEIshwi.gov,
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which does come to me and then I can
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distribute to all of the the members.
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Um, and I'm saying that very not 100%
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sure that's the [laughter]
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website. Verify on the website.
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>> It sounds right. So, for future agenda
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items, we are going to have Nami here in
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October. Yep.
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>> So, are we also going to try to bring in
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communication?
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>> I'm going. Yes. I'm going to see what I
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can do for October to um number one,
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have some information, and two, see if I
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can get someone to attend.
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>> Um I can't promise cuz I don't make
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promises for other people, but I will do
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what I can. [laughter]
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>> Is there anything else anyone wants to
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say?
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So uh question about that next agenda
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too. So is the goal that we would have
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something written uh that we want to
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vote on to advise a council on by
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October?
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>> Yes. So, I'm generally going to take
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Amanda's recommendation and unless she
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comes up with something different and
[1:16:19]
put um some ability to or something
[1:16:23]
similar to that so that we can have
[1:16:25]
discussion and then um vote on that or
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we can amend that to something else. But
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there would be an action item on the
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agenda that we're going to potentially
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vote on that recommendation. Again, that
[1:16:39]
way people if they have an opinion about
[1:16:42]
that recommendation, they would know
[1:16:44]
that they can come to the meeting and
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talk to us and we can gather some
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information and like I said, I can bring
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in information from communications
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regarding what they are working on when
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it comes to website and the
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translatability which again I'm not an
[1:17:00]
expert on. um so that we can utilize
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that to potentially sculpt
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>> um any recommendation.
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>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted to make
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sure that was on the October agenda
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because
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>> it's going to be because then it'll be
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like
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>> December
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>> January, right? [laughter]
[1:17:16]
>> Right. Um do we have a motion to
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second?
[1:17:22]
>> You have to make a motion. Shoot.
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>> You leave a motion to adjour.
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>> So moved.
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[laughter]
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Huh?
[1:17:31]
>> There we go.
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>> I was so confident.
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>> No, wait. Beth, you got to lead with
[1:17:34]
that. I love it. All in favor?
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>> I I [laughter]
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