[0:00] The public comment after each ordinance, but it needs to be germane to that ordinance, not some other topic. And it needs to be three. It will be no calling out from the audience, if you don't mind. And that's not fair to the other people here who would like to speak for the same amount of time. Any other announcements from commissioners? All right.

[0:28] So moving right along.

[0:31] We have the Tullet County Sheriff's Report and we turn it off since we're to get that.

[0:36] Good evening.

[0:39] For the month of July, the Tullet County Sheriff's Office provided full-time staff into the town of Oxford.

[0:44] In July, there were a total of 299 incidents involved within the town limits of Oxford.

[0:51] These activity totals captured the incidents responded to by the Tullet County Sheriff's Office.

[0:55] 13 traffic stops, 33 traffic assignments with nine additional traffic

[1:02] stops, 217 patrol checks, two foot patrols, three parking violations, five

[1:11] burglar alarms, one animal complaint, two motor vehicle collisions,

[1:16] property damage only, 1901 hang up, one suspicious conditions, four trees down

[1:23] or debris in the roadway from recent storms.

[1:27] Two found property incidents, and there were three criminal

[1:30] incidents to report for the month.

[1:36] On July 3rd, Deputy's from the Tobacanic Sheriff's Office

[1:38] were providing assistance to the town of Oxford

[1:40] during its fireworks display.

[1:42] During the time, he definitely observed his early behavior

[1:44] on the Oxford Bellevue ferry.

[1:47] The deputy later learned that an intoxicated individual had

[1:50] attempted to re-board the ferry to be transported back

[1:53] to Bellevue, however the individual was prevented from boarding.

[1:57] The individual alleged that they had been assaulted

[1:59] by a ferry employee.

[2:00] There were no visible signs of injury,

[2:02] and the individual was referred to the District Court

[2:04] Commissioner to seek charges.

[2:07] On July 7, the deputy is from the Tower of County Sheriff's

[2:09] Office, responding to the 100 block of Robes Harbor Court

[2:12] in reference to a fraud.

[2:14] Upon arrival, deputies learned that the victim

[2:17] had received a phone call from an individual.

[2:19] Individual claiming to be a representative

[2:21] from the police officer's fund and requested a small donation.

[2:26] The victim did provide them with a small donation before realizing that the solicitation was fraudulent.

[2:34] On July 9, Deputy's from the Talbikini Sheriff's Office responded through the 100 block of jail times

[2:39] and driving reference to a fraud.

[2:42] Deputy learned that the victim had fallen victim to a scam originating on TikTok,

[2:47] where an individual offered to pay the victim for the use of one of their images.

[2:52] The victim was later sent a check and instructed to deposit the check into their bank account.

[2:57] The victim was then instructed to send the portion of the money back to the scammer using cash at an Apple Wall.

[3:05] Once the victim realized that they had fallen victim to the scam, they blocked the scammer's phone number

[3:09] and the victim subsequently began, sorry, the victim was then started being harassed by the scammer

[3:17] and they contacted the sheriff's office.

[3:21] Again, I think we've met with some citizens

[3:23] about a month or a month and a half, two months ago about scams.

[3:28] I just want to reiterate, if you don't know these people,

[3:30] if you get a strange email, a strange phone call, anything.

[3:35] If you don't know, you're not familiar with this person,

[3:37] please don't give them any personal information.

[3:40] Don't send them a donation.

[3:42] Don't give them any money.

[3:43] They'll send them your credit card information.

[3:46] Please call the sheriff's office and we'll help you through the process or if you have

[3:50] any questions just hang up.

[3:52] That's simple.

[3:53] You can do the same with emails, don't or pop-ups on your computer, don't click on the

[3:58] pops-up, pop-ups, don't answer strange emails, don't donate to the police officer's fund.

[4:07] If anybody's going to call us for a donation, it's not going to be the police department.

[4:11] We don't do that.

[4:12] And if we're looking for you, for instance, and this is a scan, it's been going on for years, you fail to pay a fine, I never want for your rest.

[4:25] They're not going to call you on the phone and tell you that we're going to have a new door.

[4:31] Just to be mindful of those, you know, unfortunately, it's not just happening in Oxford, you know,

[4:37] everybody has fallen victim for these scams and I can't reiterate.

[4:42] So if you have any questions or we can help you in any way, please call us and we can walk

[4:48] you through it.

[4:50] And then just a couple of announcements, we will not be hosting coffee with a deputy for

[4:56] months of August and September. We will continue in the month of August and then I was asked to

[5:05] remind the citizens that our sheriff that these can't handle or issue citations for municipal

[5:14] violations within the town of Oxford. If it does fall in state law, we certainly can, but just

[5:20] want to remind that if there's a town ordinance, the sheriff's office can't enforce it. It's just

[5:25] and that's part of what was in the end of you.

[5:29] So the town would have to come up with someone who could take

[5:34] some for enforcement action, but again, the deputies can do that.

[5:38] So I'd be happy to answer any questions that the town

[5:41] commissioners may have, but if not, I'll excuse myself.

[5:44] Well, I'm assuming you can issue a speeding ticket.

[5:46] We can, so if it's state law, a corner percent,

[5:48] we can't enforce that.

[5:50] But if it's the town on the way to Orgents,

[5:53] that the deputies can't write a town citation off the town ordinance is that

[5:58] makes sense where we can't write a parking ticket where somebody's parked in

[6:03] the town boat ramp lot that the deputies can't force up so if it's if the

[6:09] sign-ins has changed and I focal holiday about that then we can but you can on the

[6:14] state road again so all of me and state no I've been just referring to any

[6:20] town ordinance where if it's something special that prior to the officer who was

[6:27] hired at the officer that worked here could enforce whether it be your there was

[6:33] one that was where you could be parked too close to another car or something like

[6:38] that or you know a dog not having a leash on some small minor things like

[6:43] that the deputy's can't force any questions I mean we're happy to walk you through

[6:50] process on what you can do, but as far as issues, citations on a town citation, we can't do that.

[6:57] We can talk about this at a coffee at a bar. Okay, great. Any other questions for Lieutenant

[7:05] Dobson? All right, moving on to the town managers before.

[7:11] Actually, no, no, no, no, we have

[7:29] I'm going to leave my report, you will get a copy of it, and I'll see it in a second.

[7:37] Thank you so a lot of writing.

[7:41] As you are aware, we have a completely new work for this year's election.

[7:45] Karen's song raciously agrees to remain on the board through the election as a veteran

[7:50] and I have only been on since April 2025.

[7:54] It feels longer, but it's good for record.

[7:57] I'm coming forward to today with comments about suggested charter changes that the board will continue

[8:03] to deliberate and finalize on the 13th today for now, and we'll bring definitive recommendations

[8:10] As a subsequent commissioners need, should you deem them worthy of change and that those that are

[8:20] time sensitive be enacted before the town is required to submit its election plan to the

[8:26] 12 accounting board of the elections by December 22.

[8:31] I was aware that there are time constraints required for charter changes.

[8:36] I want to publicly say that one error that I need to take the possibility for was that we

[8:42] accepted an out-of-date form of ID being allowed a long time resident to vote using that

[8:48] key.

[8:49] This will not happen in the future.

[8:51] We will be more careful in reviewing and accepting various forms of ID to ensure they are qualified.

[8:58] We also will have tighter control on voters speaking to one another while in a voting booth.

[9:03] This year we had a husband call out to his wife and now who am I supposed to do that?

[9:16] So because it's our job to not have that act and we're going to tighten on the control on people's feet.

[9:27] As you are aware, someone needs help.

[9:30] There is a form to complete and protocol follow-up to assist voters.

[9:34] We are also going to formulate a complete procedural steps and work station checklists for each

[9:40] area during the lecture day and canvassing, some of which is already outlined in the chart.

[9:46] Our board will meet for another work session and vote on recommended changes to the chart

[9:51] work.

[9:51] Here are a few that are just being considered and will be firmly voted on and then recommendations

[9:58] passed on to you for consideration.

[10:01] Lengthening the candidate registration date of 30 dates, which is currently.

[10:08] This is also being recommended to include the ethics council requirement for the disclosure form that is needed

[10:16] to be filled out prior to confirming the candidate or expected candidate.

[10:25] We as a board cannot confirm a candidate without a certified disclosure.

[10:29] This is new this year.

[10:32] Lengthening voter registration deadline to accommodate the absentee process.

[10:37] Lengthening absentee application deadline to accommodate the time to mail ballots.

[10:42] We realized most of our citizens hand deliver their absentee belts.

[10:46] However, because of the shortened mail-in window, we had to...

[10:51] We had over a handful of...

[10:53] Or just under a handful of belts that were never cast.

[10:59] Also, you...

[11:00] Just to...

[11:02] So people know...

[11:03] You know mail moves on weekends any longer.

[11:06] It used to be, you know, 24-7 now.

[11:10] everything starts on Friday and picks up on Monday, so you lose that time and that's across the board

[11:20] federally. Truck Cating Election Day polling hours. In 2022 the hours were from 2 p.m. to 7 p.m.

[11:28] perhaps we could consider noon to 8. It is yet to be determined that the

[11:34] commissioners followed procedure at the time when the 8-8 was enacted legal

[11:42] councils reviewing the current implemented hours to see if it will deem the

[11:47] chart.

[11:49] We'd like the loosening of the language drain canvassing so that the

[11:53] board has discretion to how many members work at each of the tally station to

[11:57] expedite the process. That's not a big deal but it's there so that may be in the

[12:03] I don't know if that's in the chart or on to double check, so on.

[12:07] Removing the right candidate entirely.

[12:12] Current timing doesn't allow candidates time to agree

[12:15] to a forum and time to plan a forum.

[12:18] So the citizenry can make informed decisions

[12:20] about their candidate choice.

[12:23] The poor believes that to promote fairness and accountability,

[12:26] candidates should be running a transparent campaign.

[12:30] It was discussed that right within is breed secrecy

[12:33] and promotes the stigma of a shadow campaign.

[12:36] And the removal of the words right in off the ballot

[12:39] and instead the next box were dissent

[12:44] whether there is one candidate or multiple candidates.

[12:47] This year there were 23 ballots cast

[12:49] that were not counted.

[12:51] Additionally, we did not catch the word candidate

[12:55] after right in on the ballot

[12:57] because according to the charter,

[12:59] a candidate must be certified

[13:00] to be considered for election.

[13:03] Therefore, there is no action that needs to be taken

[13:06] and the Bogomok count in any way.

[13:10] After checking with neighboring counts and municipalities

[13:13] it was suggested that we have only one candidate running

[13:16] on a pose that we don't hold a formal election.

[13:20] This could be determined whether an incumbent or a new candidate.

[13:24] This matter with a lot of discussion.

[13:26] Some more members felt it necessary for the citizenry

[13:29] to have the ability to vote no matter the service.

[13:34] And one other aside, consideration,

[13:37] the election section of the charter

[13:38] in its current final form has stretched through,

[13:42] throughout the, may I recommend that it be edited

[13:46] to extract the striped throughs,

[13:48] to lessen confusion and give us a pathway

[13:51] for clear real readability and execution.

[13:55] Thank you for your attention.

[13:57] Are there any questions?

[14:01] Not at this time, I think we'll be taking this up in September or after you finalize your list of recommendations.

[14:08] Okay, now I do need to know if would September still give us enough time?

[14:14] Should we have charter changes to make the 47th 15th?

[14:20] It's 40 days for it to be enacted.

[14:23] What's the date that you have to have your plan to tell the county?

[14:27] 15th.

[14:28] December 15th. December 15th. The main thing that we need to, here's the calendar

[14:33] Lindsay. If you'd be tight because you're the main thing that we've gone through, we

[14:39] already placed. If we decided to change the registration date because that would involve

[14:46] Talba County and why don't I spoke to the Talba County election person. She said that the

[14:54] And the main thing would be, if we were to change the...

[15:01] People, you know, when people register. Right now, it's 30 days prior to our election, and we want to back that up a little bit to allow people to register and to allow

[15:15] absentee to take all of the different things that we have to do. Right, the registration impacts the other tail, I understand.

[15:29] As long as you introduce on that date, which date?

[15:33] So if they came to you in September, you'd have to introduce and have your public hearing

[15:38] by October 6th.

[15:41] So it has an intense first meeting in September introduced?

[15:45] Would that be the first meeting or if they came to work in?

[15:48] We're going to do our best to, when we know the 13th, to develop some language, it'll

[15:54] it will be a work session, it will be a long one.

[15:57] Okay, we ought to have a work session after they have a work session

[16:00] and then we'll have something to introduce

[16:03] into September.

[16:05] Okay. How about that?

[16:07] Okay, because what would Holly said is very difficult

[16:12] to make charter changes.

[16:14] And so she is recommending that we kind of,

[16:17] like we did last year, kind of give you all of our recommendations.

[16:23] But when you give us all of your recommendations, I think we'll workshop it once or twice, and then we'll, that way it'll, we can come up something for mid-September, the first meeting, I think the first is a Tuesday, so I think the first meeting is a, no, the first

[16:46] to be a two-six, but I'll get back to you on that.

[16:49] It is the eighth.

[16:50] So you'd really, so the eighth of the sixteenth of the...

[16:56] It's on the eighth.

[16:57] The first meeting is the eighth.

[16:59] Yeah, and then if you don't introduce until October 13th, it's too late, because it has

[17:05] to be affected.

[17:06] You have to adopt it by the 26th, which are meetings that October are the 13th and 27th.

[17:12] Is it really by the 13th unless you're not a special meeting?

[17:16] Oh, we're going to have a special meeting.

[17:18] Yeah, we can have a special meeting.

[17:20] I think the most important thing is that we workshop it so that we can thoroughly think

[17:24] it through without loading.

[17:27] Okay.

[17:28] Before you leave, two things.

[17:31] Would it be possible without much extra work of any?

[17:35] When you guys put your proposals together to identify those provisions that we need to get

[17:39] enacted by a date in October versus those that we have more time well when I

[17:45] talked to Holly I understand that there's really just one or two that would need

[17:49] to be done by the 15th but I understand too that it's gonna take time to get

[17:57] through other stuff and we hit we start right away and so hope we're kind of

[18:02] waiting around to see if some other things are gonna you know gonna be able to

[18:06] change, move dates, move dates.

[18:09] The target change has a 40-day waiting period

[18:12] and an advertising period and a hearing period.

[18:16] So it takes a lot longer than,

[18:18] that's why we put so much into the ordinance

[18:20] that you had.

[18:21] It's easier to change.

[18:22] But there are new solidities in it.

[18:25] Okay.

[18:26] So we need to get more ties from top priority

[18:29] and then lower priority items

[18:31] when you come up after your work session

[18:33] that you can bring it forward.

[18:34] So commissioners can start working.

[18:35] Okay, the list and know which ones are priority versus.

[18:39] And we'll watch for your meetings and attend,

[18:41] just so we don't have to go back over the same,

[18:44] or at least watch them from home.

[18:46] So, but we don't have to go back over the same territory.

[18:49] It'll bring us up to speed faster.

[18:51] And the other thing I'd like, you just made a comment

[18:55] that you need to hit the ground right.

[18:58] I'm not sure people understand how soon that is

[19:02] is to get the selection done by whatever there's in June.

[19:06] What is then?

[19:07] Thank you.

[19:08] To get to, to really start running the process.

[19:12] We, we actually, this past year, because we did so much,

[19:17] we ran into a lot of difficulty with the 30 days,

[19:21] and then the right hand, I mean, that was really, really tough.

[19:25] And even though we only had, you know,

[19:28] of one person running and it was really crunched and to get the absentee, the ballot ready

[19:38] to send out to absentees. And as I said, the absentee, we didn't have that many

[19:43] years, we didn't have any over 80 last year. So it was tough to try to get the absentee

[19:56] Certification does so that they could get their application in.

[20:00] We could start the application process way ahead of time and just hit the ground running and approve all of those applications for absentee.

[20:11] So yes, we start, our first meeting will probably be in February and then March will call out a list and move forward.

[20:23] So if nothing changes, then we just, you know, it's tough, especially for the absentee because they can't get their ballots in the time if they may open.

[20:35] Got it. All right. Well, further discussion. Thank you very much.

[20:38] Just one of the quick questions. Will he possible for you or somebody from your committee to be at the commission meeting when we first have a, our first public discussion amongst the three of us?

[20:51] Okay. Thank you. All right. The town managers report, please.

[20:55] Thank you. So just a couple of key items from my written report and the missionaries agenda packet.

[21:01] I am working with the fire department and the sheriff's office currently regarding a event that they'd like to hold in the town in May of next year.

[21:10] So we'll bring forward some additional information on that.

[21:14] The utility billing, the live reading system is now live.

[21:18] You should have received an email from us if you're not signed up for our email notices.

[21:21] Please come into town hall and we'll add you, but this is a system where you can track

[21:25] your usage in real time.

[21:27] You can set up alerts and you can monitor for leaks and that would be very helpful for

[21:33] you, but residents as we have new leaders in place.

[21:36] We are distributing mosquito dumps, so commissioners expanded our mosquito prevention program and

[21:42] We have those here in Tom Hall. We've distributed about 50 of them so far, at least 50, so if you haven't received one, please come into Tom Hall and pick up your mosquito down.

[21:51] Just an announcement that we have several openings on boards and commissions. So if you're willing to give up your time, we greatly appreciate your interest in the ethics commission. We have one opening currently.

[22:03] the historic commission to openings and the Board of Elections has one opening.

[22:10] So I'm requesting that those submissions, the form is linked in my report and on our

[22:16] website are sent to the town by the 21st of August and we greatly appreciate your time.

[22:22] An update on the post office, unofficial information, do not have a date yet, but we are getting

[22:29] very close so the service is getting very close reopening. I understand it's been two to four weeks.

[22:35] I think they're just finalizing some final details so as soon as we have a day we'll get that

[22:40] thought to everyone. We have installed a couple of places put in place 533 meters so far so they're

[22:49] making really great progress and updating all of our water meters throughout town. We issued a

[22:56] I have a notice to proceed on the test well and this is again the town drilling for another test well for redundant water supply so that work will be starting.

[23:07] And those are really the key updates from my report and happy to take any questions.

[23:12] Commissioner, do you have any questions?

[23:14] How many meters to go?

[23:18] About 110.

[23:20] So another three, four weeks.

[23:22] I think there are 643 hookups, and I only know that because we've been looking at the

[23:27] comprehensive plan at it.

[23:29] So,

[23:32] they're close.

[23:34] They're working very hard.

[23:37] All right.

[23:37] We've been moving right along to the consent agenda, which it contains the minutes of public

[23:44] work report and the finance report.

[23:47] Any questions?

[23:48] And if you do not have any questions, do you have a motion to approve?

[23:52] I have no questions, and I have no questions.

[23:56] Motion to move.

[23:58] Second.

[23:59] Paul and David?

[23:59] All right.

[24:00] Excellent.

[24:01] Okay.

[24:01] We'll move into the comprehensive plan.

[24:04] We do have some minor edits that will normally largely work.

[24:11] Oh.

[24:13] But if you want, how would you do them?

[24:14] No, I'll do them.

[24:16] So these are, after reviewing the document,

[24:21] and some changes that I think that need to be made.

[24:26] You'll hear how mighty they are.

[24:31] Motion to a men page 80, quote, public water system paragraph 4.

[24:37] First sentence, there are 604 three service connections

[24:41] that include residential and commercial uses, taking out the word light.

[24:48] Motion to a men page 81, public water system paragraph 6.

[24:52] strike from the whole paragraph and adding a new paragraph that reads as follows.

[24:59] The town of Oxford has invested in new water meters and upgraded utility building software

[25:05] to improve the identification and monitoring of potential water loss.

[25:10] To further promote water conservation, the commissioners adopted a peer utility rate structure

[25:16] beginning in fiscal year 27, with significantly higher rates for high-volume water consumption.

[25:24] The town is also working to expand public education and conservation efforts in partnership

[25:31] with volunteer-led committees and community organizations, including the community resilience

[25:38] committee and the Oxford Garden Club.

[25:40] These efforts include promoting the installation and maintenance of native plantings that require less irrigation and support more sustainable water use.

[25:51] Through these infrastructure improvements, conservation measures, and community education initiatives, the town expects to have sufficient capacity to accommodate the projected population growth of approximately 19% above the town's current winter population.

[26:15] Next motion to amend table on page 14 on page 81 to change 268 gallons per year to 268 gallons per day.

[26:31] Motion to amend page 82, public sewer system, third paragraph, third sentence from.

[26:39] This plan can handle 1 million gallons per day.

[26:42] but actually handles an average of 100,000 gallons per day to the following.

[26:50] This plant is permitted for 150,000 gallons per day and uses an average of 120,000 gallons

[26:57] per day."

[27:01] Motion to men page 84, public sewer system, first paragraph, fourth sentence from.

[27:08] The wastewater treatment plant has been meeting the cumulative load requirements with an additional 40% capacity for adding additional loading, changing it to the wastewater treatment plant has been meeting cumulative load requirements.

[27:26] Motion to amend table 17 on page 84 to change 253 gallons per year to 253 gallons per day.

[27:38] Motion to amend table 18 on page 85 to correct the average annual gallons per day at the

[27:46] plant to 150,000 gallons per day per the per day.

[27:52] Motion to amend page 85 refuse disposal, third paragraph, first sentence from the town

[28:01] One also maintains a recycling center located behind the pumpkin station at the Causeway

[28:06] Park to, quote, the town provides recycling services to residents on a weekly basis, end

[28:14] quote.

[28:17] Motion to amend page 85 and 86 refused disposal, third paragraph, third sentence from in

[28:26] addition to household garbage of the forms of solid waste collected by the town public, end

[28:33] quote.

[28:33] Replace in this section with, in addition to household garbage, other forms of solid waste are collected by the town as budgeted by commissioners on an annual basis.

[28:47] Motion to amend age 86, Oxford Post Office, third paragraph, third sentence, two.

[28:54] The town of Oxford owns the land and the building on which the post office, etc., adding the words and the building.

[29:06] And motion to amend page 89, Oxford Bill be ferryed to delete the third sentence.

[29:13] That was a repeat of the second sentence.

[29:17] Oh, is there any?

[29:18] That's it.

[29:22] Any questions?

[29:23] We've both been over them.

[29:27] Any discussion about the plan and any of these amendments?

[29:33] Okay, in that case, I'm going to open it up for public comment.

[29:37] And you have to state your name.

[29:39] your address gets more clear for the minutes and it needs to be germane to the

[29:44] comprehensive plan and the amendments and there's the microphone as and please

[29:54] use the microphone for those at home are there any public comments on the

[29:58] The company has planned.

[30:01] We do, while you're thinking about that, we do want to thank the Planning Committee for this years-long effort with a consultant to do, which was, you know, we would have gotten if the committee had done some slap-gash thing, just a red line version of the plan for 15 years ago. So we are very grateful for the many, many hours they spent doing this. I'm going to assume since there's no hand raises that everybody's note, there's no comment.

[30:27] in which case I'll close the comment and close to here and we will go and see if we

[30:40] vote on this now or if it's later on in the agenda.

[30:43] It is now in your agenda and I think first would be a motion to amend the Comprehensive

[30:49] Plan and then a motion to amend.

[30:51] Make the motion to amend.

[30:53] Second.

[30:55] All those in favor?

[30:55] a motion to adopt the comprehensive plan as just an ending.

[31:02] So move the second.

[31:04] All in favor?

[31:04] Aye.

[31:05] All right.

[31:07] So public hearing on that is closed.

[31:11] So we will be moving on to the short-term rental ordinance

[31:19] that is being amended.

[31:22] You want to take your edits in?

[31:27] This small purpose of the amendment seems to be non-controversial and has not gotten many comments.

[31:34] The portion of it that's gotten some comments I think are well taken with the comments that is.

[31:44] And so I'm going to propose amending three words in it to I think eliminate the issue being.

[32:00] the one portion of the amendment was intended to expand the scope of the properties for which a

[32:09] property owner could be licensed in the event of a violation.

[32:16] What we did through the amendment

[32:18] process and what I want to further do today is to limit the scope of that further penalty or

[32:23] prohibition. Right now, the second sentence says, any property owner who, and by right

[32:31] now, I mean the proposal says, any property owner who rents a dwelling unit as a short

[32:36] term rental after receiving notice of the property is unlicensed is barred from obtaining or renewing

[32:41] a short term license for any property in Oxford for three years. And then because of the definition

[32:50] of property owner to include spouse, child,

[32:53] stepchild, parent, et cetera, et cetera.

[32:56] It's been pointed out that this prohibition would mean not

[33:00] only that the property owner who rents the dwelling

[33:03] in violation wouldn't be able to get a license

[33:07] for any property in Oxford, but also the property owner's

[33:10] brother, sister, grandchild, grandparent, son-in-law, et cetera,

[33:14] would not be able to get a short-term license

[33:17] for any property in Oxford.

[33:24] That wasn't in my original proposal, but that's where we ended up.

[33:28] And I think it's overly broad in a mistake.

[33:31] And I think we can simplify it and eliminate a lot of the controversy here,

[33:35] by simply changing it to any property or any rented dwelling

[33:39] as a short-term rental after receiving notice that it's unlicensed,

[33:42] is barred from obtaining a renewing a license for that property for three years.

[33:50] So the prohibition would only apply to the property for which the license had been obtained

[33:56] and violated, or for which the license did not be obtained and therefore they were operating

[34:01] in violation of the ordinance.

[34:03] So it wouldn't apply to any other property owned by the party whose license is in question

[34:14] for violating the short-term rental ordinance.

[34:18] The hypothetical that I thought of this morning that caused me to want to make this change

[34:23] was, if I have a short-term rental and I'm violating my license for one reason or another,

[34:28] It expired, let's say, and I continue to rent it, or advertising even though my license

[34:33] has not been renewed.

[34:35] And my son was in the other side of town, and he's got a short-term rental property.

[34:40] As written, this would bar him from getting a renewal on that license.

[34:46] I don't know if that, I don't think that was the original intent, but it's a rather than

[34:51] trying to edit this thing on the fly to try and address that somehow.

[34:54] Let's just limit this to the property in question so that the property owner who rents the dwelling including the property over

[35:02] his family would not be able to renew or obtain a short-term rental license for that property, just that property only for a period of three years.

[35:12] That's the only change I would really be strike the word any and replace it with that and strike the words in Oxford.

[35:19] So it's a license for that property for three years.

[35:24] There's one other provision here that's drawn a little controversy, and I'm not persuaded,

[35:31] but I don't think it's terribly important which way we go.

[35:35] And that is the bar with respect to the registered agency and agents employed by that agency,

[35:41] As currently proposed, an agent who lists or advertises a dwelling unit for short-term rental

[35:51] after receiving notice of the property is operating without a license is barred from acting

[35:56] as an agent under this chapter for three years, I think that's, frankly, that's what, that's

[36:02] basically just a slightly reword inversion of what the organ's already said a year ago.

[36:07] what we've really added is this bar also applies to the Registry of

[36:11] Agency and any agents employed by the agency. The reason I think that is a

[36:16] reasonable bar, a reasonable additional penalty, is that I think it gives

[36:24] agencies some motivation and I think it's worthwhile to give them some

[36:30] motivation to manage their agents and make sure that their agents are

[36:34] are complying with the law and to make sure their agents are working with their clients

[36:39] to comply with the law.

[36:41] I mean, what we saw, you know, until a year ago was, it was a bit of the wild west we

[36:46] had, and many properties dozens at least, they were operating kind of flagrantly in violation

[36:51] of the town's ordinance.

[36:54] And the registered agents were either involved in those violations or just sort of operating

[37:02] kind of without regard to whether they were violations.

[37:07] The change we made last year would put some teeth in that by barring a registered agent

[37:16] involved in advertising short-term rental that was not licensed for a period of three

[37:24] years.

[37:24] That gives a powerful incentive to the registered agents to make sure that they're making

[37:28] sure that property complies with laws, with property license properly renewed, it's

[37:34] being advertised, listing the license number, it's not rain surgery, I don't think it's

[37:40] a huge burden on any registered agent, they're getting paid to do the work as a registered

[37:44] agent. I don't think it's too much for the town to ask the registered agents who are being

[37:48] paid as part of this process take steps to make sure that their clients are complying

[37:55] with the law. I don't think the criticism of this provision is particularly valid. But

[38:03] like I said, that's been the law for a year. And I don't see any reason to revisit that

[38:08] issue. The bar to the registered agency, it obviously extends the teeth of this provision

[38:15] a little bit more. If the other commissioners think that's an overreach, we can just strike

[38:21] that last sentence, I wouldn't object too strongly to that. But the only I

[38:31] proposed to do is, as I said, change those three words in the middle to

[38:37] for that property instead of for any property and Oxford for that property.

[38:45] I've been thinking about this also and we got a note from the

[38:49] Whatever it was, the mid-Mitch or Board of Real Attainment, it's their government relations

[38:54] specialist.

[38:55] She's here tonight.

[38:56] And, you know, keeping the accountability with the person that makes the mistake or makes

[39:06] the, yeah, is violation, I'll put it to that one, I don't know if it's a violation, I think

[39:11] it's appropriate.

[39:13] And then, you know, the issue of these contractors that work with them as well, that they may

[39:20] not have the organization may not have total, close administrative control over I think

[39:27] also mud is the water a little bit.

[39:30] What do you mean?

[39:31] Well, you have contract coming in, doing something going out, doing something going out, doing

[39:37] something going out.

[39:39] And then when I say going out, then I'll be working for other firms.

[39:43] I'm just wondering whether penalizing everyone for that contract is appropriate.

[39:52] So I think at this point, I wouldn't mind seeing something like it stays as you suggest

[39:59] with that agent, and that's where it ends, except if we think about, if there's three

[40:11] of 4 violations in that organization, or at some number, I don't know what the right

[40:16] number is.

[40:17] Two, three, four.

[40:18] Then something has to be done with the organization, hey, you're not training them properly.

[40:23] So you know, that's something that I think we can address to the agency and their process

[40:31] is to try to fix the problem, that the data is telling us they have a problem.

[40:38] That's my thought on that.

[40:39] But I think for this, at least right now, making that change, you know, I can see that

[40:46] it would be helpful to make that change.

[40:51] That's just rightful, I think.

[40:55] In addition to the other change that I proposed.

[40:57] I agree with your changes, yes.

[40:59] Yeah, with an I-2 serial violations.

[41:02] They are trained, they are licensed.

[41:04] Yes, they're independent contractors.

[41:06] that's because the real state agencies don't pay them,

[41:08] they're paid on commission only.

[41:11] It's a bit of a misnomer, but nonetheless,

[41:14] they do have a licensing and they do have a fiduciary

[41:17] responsibility to their clients to make sure

[41:19] that both they and the clients are following the law.

[41:22] But I think being trained and the training sticks

[41:27] is what the data is telling us, is that what I have?

[41:31] It's like anything changing behavior.

[41:33] However, all that being said, I do agree with you for now.

[41:35] I think we make the simple change on for that property, and then we strike the entire

[41:43] agency for being penalized for now.

[41:45] If we have a problem with serial violations, we'll definitely come back to it and impose

[41:50] fines.

[41:54] All right.

[41:57] Well, so before we vote on it, this is a hearing.

[41:59] We're going to open it up for public comment.

[42:01] Again, it must be germane to this ordinance, not anything else.

[42:06] I need you to state your name.

[42:07] and you're dressed even if you don't live in Oxford, Susan.

[42:12] And you get only one chance to have a state-year comment.

[42:18] So would anyone like to stop?

[42:24] And please use the microphone.

[42:26] It's actually kind of far away from you,

[42:28] so we might need to show Ashley, would you mind moving it?

[42:32] OK, thank you.

[42:34] It's for the benefit of people at home

[42:35] that they can hear you.

[42:37] Hi, brothers and gentlemen.

[42:39] Oh, good.

[42:39] Hi, I'm Susie Hayward, I'm with the Mitchell Board of Realters.

[42:44] Thank you for the opportunity to speak again.

[42:48] I hope you had a chance to read my letter.

[42:51] Tonight I just want to go over a few key items,

[42:54] just as a reminder of how we feel.

[42:59] Thank you for reiterating the fact that all those other owners

[43:04] could be thrown in in an adverse way that wasn't intended.

[43:08] and Lindsay, I appreciate his recommendation, I just like to ask that you review the terminology

[43:18] and how that would apply to owner throughout the whole legislation on the short term rental

[43:26] to make sure that we're kind of changing it in this area and that it won't be picked up in any other areas.

[43:36] So we did to us purposes of clarifying it says for this section so the definition of property owner

[43:43] And I'm including all those other individuals is only for this particular section. Yes

[43:51] So I'll go on to a second second point

[43:54] The resident agents should not be penalized for matters that they don't control

[44:00] Under the existing codes of property owner not the resident agent is responsible for

[44:06] licensing, renewals, tax compliance, insurance, advertising, and other STR operations.

[44:14] The resident agents town code rule is limited to being available 24 hours a day and responding

[44:22] to complaints.

[44:24] That's all this legislation requires of the resident agent.

[44:29] And that could be all that the owner requires of the resident agent under their contact between

[44:36] to that. So the point that I'm trying to make in my letter is that why should the resident

[44:46] agent is who is only duty is to be in contact? Why are they being held responsible for advertising

[44:56] I see for not getting the renewal of application.

[45:03] So, the third notice should always be sent to the property owner, and my contention in that is that it's the property owner's responsibility. Again, I'm citing the whole ordinance regarding short-term rentals. All the responsibility is on the property owner. Yet, some of the wording says that notice will be sent to the property owner or the resident agent.

[45:30] here again there should be no or the resident agent it should be strictly to

[45:36] the property owner it could be a copy to the resident agent. Finally I asked the

[45:44] finishers to consider related correlation. Yeah I'm afraid you're your time

[45:50] I said. Oh three minutes. All right well you got my letter. We did get you. I'd be glad

[45:56] that, again, reiterate the relationship between a salesperson of a license, real estate

[46:07] agent, and their rover.

[46:09] Thank you.

[46:10] Because I don't think you guys fully understand the relationship in them.

[46:15] Thank you.

[46:17] Would anyone else like to comment on the short-term rental ordinance?

[46:21] Would you come forward, please?

[46:30] I just thought of this when you were going over the side of it.

[46:33] We rent, as an example, we rent a place, and we don't have a place to start on your rent.

[46:38] We have a managing company that I have a condescending, and it goes all over the place,

[46:45] every big, and all these other places.

[46:47] I don't know how you control that, if there is somebody's in violation, how you control

[46:53] those downstream.

[46:55] We have a crawling software, Granicus, that we bought, which is crawling the internet.

[47:01] We bought it what six months ago.

[47:03] Something like that.

[47:03] Yeah.

[47:04] Because you would know only for this.

[47:05] Yeah.

[47:05] Okay.

[47:06] It's a good question.

[47:07] That's all I was thinking.

[47:08] Okay.

[47:09] Anyone else have any comment on short-term models?

[47:15] Seeing none, I'm going to close the hearing.

[47:19] We would need to vote on the amendment and then the ordinance.

[47:23] If I could, one thing I would like to clarify,

[47:29] the penalty here for registered agents isn't

[47:33] any, it doesn't apply to simply any resident agents who has to be on call 24 hours a day.

[47:39] This says any registered agent who lists or advertises a dwelling as a short-term rental

[47:45] after receiving notice to property is operating, et cetera, has that penalty.

[47:50] It's not everybody who plays a role, it's an agent who lists or advertises.

[47:56] So I think it is actually quite limited in terms of its scope.

[48:00] You have a listing contract.

[48:02] Barbara Ranson, I close public comment.

[48:05] Did you have your hand up before?

[48:09] No, it's relevant to what the agent said, but I close public, I'm so sorry.

[48:19] So, should we have a motion as amended?

[48:23] Yeah, I've moved that

[48:33] we adopt the ordinance as amended and again for clarity with the

[48:36] amended being to strike any property in Oxford and replace it with that property, as well

[48:45] I'll ask strike the very last sentence of first paragraph of sections.

[48:52] Second.

[48:53] All those in favor?

[48:54] Aye.

[48:55] Aye.

[48:56] That was the motion to amend.

[48:58] It was approved as amended.

[49:00] So did it.

[49:01] We'll move it together.

[49:04] I'm ready then.

[49:06] We'll be right along to new business.

[49:08] My glasses.

[49:12] Commissioners to consider authorizing the commission president to execute a grant.

[49:16] agreement with the critical area commission and so this is a pretty simple one.

[49:22] It's a small grant to help us comply with the critical area commission.

[49:26] Anything that the town manager or anyone else would like to add?

[49:30] The only thing I would like to hear is 23 pages of instructions for $1,000 grant.

[49:35] I know.

[49:38] The federal grants have just the same amount of paperwork that's for sure.

[49:42] Any discussion about this?

[49:44] Yes.

[49:45] No.

[49:46] Okay.

[49:46] Do I hear a medicine to approve?

[49:48] So moved.

[49:49] Second.

[49:50] All in favor?

[49:50] Aye.

[49:51] Commissioners, do you consider awarding a contract for arsenic removal in the town water system

[49:56] to denure water technologies in the amount of 72,200 from the fiscal year 27 utility fund

[50:03] of water system operations, water capital line item, currently budgeted at 60,000, a future

[50:10] budget and then it will be required. We do want to talk about this because this is a maintenance

[50:15] that hadn't been done in quite a while and is super important. Yes, so the the media is required

[50:22] to remove arsenic from the water supply. There is a schedule where it should be replaced and

[50:29] actually has not been replaced since 2012. So this is an entire need of repair and then we will be

[50:36] planning for this in a capital improvement budget to be replaced. The suggested time

[50:42] period is between two to seven years depending on the media so we would be

[50:48] planning for that and this is definitely a need to take care of. Any Commissioner

[50:55] discussion? Question or two. Is there a way to measure whether the media has

[51:02] to become saturated. I mean, this occurs to me because theoretically this thing should

[51:06] have been replaced 12 years ago, or maybe nine years ago. But do we know just how oversaturated

[51:17] this media is at the moment, is there a way to measure it?

[51:19] They have a course conducts a lot of back watching to keep the media running and clear. You can

[51:25] test the media, you can pull the media out and test it to see the levels. So that is

[51:31] something that we will plan to do moving forward

[51:33] to make sure that we're placing it in time.

[51:35] And they're backwashing it

[51:37] because they haven't replaced it.

[51:39] Infuse backwashing because of it.

[51:41] Infuse backwashing.

[51:43] That's right.

[51:44] With this kind of assistant,

[51:45] you would normally backwash your team.

[51:47] Right, that would work.

[51:48] So is there any, you know, based on the company

[51:52] we're using and the technology they're using,

[51:55] the media they're using?

[51:56] Do we have any, is it's the same two to seven-year

[51:59] replacement schedule, but we think we're on the same media.

[52:03] With the exception of Sharp's Water Culligan, they, they, it's obviously a lot more.

[52:09] That was, so our proposals were $72,720 at the low bid, $83,125 is the mid-grade bid.

[52:18] And then our high bid is Sharp Water Culligan, which is a commitment to $24,990.

[52:24] They did specify a different type of media, but there was no

[52:29] different and replace that schedule, but they can move it in our proposal.

[52:35] This is an expensive item and we may have to be doing this every three or four, five

[52:42] years.

[52:43] Two to seven, depending on the quality of the media, which budget did this come out?

[52:50] The utility fund?

[52:51] That's what I thought.

[52:52] Water capital?

[52:53] Yeah.

[52:56] Any other discussion?

[52:58] Motion to approve.

[52:59] So move.

[53:00] Second.

[53:00] On paper.

[53:01] Fine.

[53:01] Okay, on to item three, commissioners to consider authorizing the emergency replacement of a faulty transfer switch control panel at bachelor's point cupping station.

[53:13] 3572 from the FY27 utility fund wastewater systems operation, wastewater capital line.

[53:21] Any discussion about the emergency replacement of the transfer panel?

[53:27] No.

[53:28] It's a number of years later, we need to do it.

[53:30] That's right.

[53:32] Norm, do I hear a motion to approve?

[53:33] So move, second.

[53:35] All in favor.

[53:36] All right.

[53:37] Commissioner, just to consider awarding a contract for yard waste removal services to cousins,

[53:41] property management, for bagged yard waste collection, for a trial of six townwide collections

[53:47] and disposal of materials off site for a total cost of $19,290 dollars from the yard debris removal

[53:55] line item, currently budget at $39,000, $36,000, $38,000,

[53:59] fiscal year 27.

[54:02] Well, let's do some discussion here.

[54:05] I'd like to end the stand.

[54:08] What's the schedule of the six?

[54:11] Is it a routine or is it a hard journey?

[54:13] So you have to come with your back up.

[54:14] Let me start with the summary.

[54:15] So we've been talking about yard waste,

[54:18] and we can land removal for some time.

[54:21] We've budgeted, commissioners budgeted

[54:24] for this $140,000 for this service for this fiscal year.

[54:30] And we went out to bid with sealed proposals

[54:33] for the service to determine if we could contract

[54:36] this service.

[54:37] And the whole purpose of this is to leverage

[54:39] our public works team so that they can complete

[54:42] stormwater projects and water and sewer projects.

[54:46] Those projects are extremely expensive to outsource.

[54:51] It was in a close to a million dollars for the water meter replacement.

[54:56] We have a store water project that they're going to save us at least $200,000 on if they're

[55:01] getting ready to start.

[55:03] And so we have to have some capacity for our staff to complete these projects.

[55:08] So the proposals that were received, we asked for all options possible.

[55:15] We kind of outlined, these are the services we're providing.

[55:17] We looked at other jurisdictions, Oxford is providing more services than any other neighboring town and we're not charging in extra tax for these services

[55:25] So that is important but when we were looking at it

[55:28] We left it open to contractors to kind of come back with ways that they could offer the service they could save as money

[55:36] They could help with standards to help them more efficiently collect material

[55:42] and we received an excellent proposal from Antonio who's here in our of

[55:47] cousins landscape and so basically we went out to bid for rape to the curb which

[55:55] is what we're doing currently now where people are just loading large piles out

[55:59] to the curb we asked for a price for a collection we also asked for if there

[56:05] and he's savings with bagging this item.

[56:08] And he's provided an excellent proposal

[56:10] for bagged materials.

[56:13] So that would basically entail purchasing reusable mesh bags,

[56:20] there are 80 gallon bags that have a handle

[56:24] that Antonio's team can pick up with an arm off of their truck

[56:29] and load and then return your bags to you.

[56:33] So I'm proposing that we limit it to three bags per collection and I'm suggesting that

[56:42] we try a six collection trial.

[56:45] I think that will give Antonio and his team an opportunity to kind of get a sense of

[56:48] what the material and coverage is and get the talent opportunity to leverage our public

[56:53] work to get these credit projects that we need to get done before the end of the year.

[56:58] And to answer your question about the schedule, that's to be determined.

[57:02] So I think we would work with Antonio and set that date of when we'd like to add those.

[57:09] I think what would be important is to get that schedule down so that we can communicate

[57:12] and post-arms and notify residents.

[57:15] But you would be spending basically half of the money that you have budgeted for the fiscal

[57:19] year for this service.

[57:20] Yeah, that kind of bothers me because as Mr. Wilcoff said at one of the previous meetings

[57:28] we do have hurricane season and storm season.

[57:32] I would like to hold one or two pickups out for kind of at our discretion and or use

[57:40] it for a spring cleanup and schedule three or four for this fall, which was from the previous

[57:47] ordinance from about 10 years ago, that's what it was. The leaf and twig pick up was really

[57:53] October, November, December.

[57:58] I think we need to, you protocol, maybe it's an opportunity

[58:02] to use it. Yes, that's right here. But you know, I, I, the issue with, with this is, if

[58:14] If there's too much time in between, there's too much stuff to do, pick up, and it starts

[58:22] becoming a problem with my mind, for people to be residents to move the stuff, because

[58:30] you don't want it there until it's going to be picked up, and it becomes a problem for

[58:37] the pick up because they're picking up too much stuff, and if we limit them to three bags,

[58:40] that may not be enough for if there's a long interval between pickups?

[58:47] Well I was also concerned about the variability over the course of the year.

[58:53] Like right now the I guess what's being picked up are you know when we had high winds

[59:00] and there's a bunch of them in the limbs so you got some limbs out there some people put

[59:03] their grass clippings out and that's and then they you know trim your shrubs or whatever

[59:07] you've got back kind of stuff, but once we roll into November, you've got an order of magnitude

[59:13] more stuff out by the curb because of leaf collection. So, you know, a flat fee, it might

[59:23] work just fine for August, September, and October, and then all of a sudden we hit November,

[59:29] and, like Norm said, three bags doesn't hold all the leaves in between pickups and their

[59:37] time all of a sudden it grows exponentially because now everybody's got three bags as

[59:42] opposed to many homes in August and September when we had them maybe one bag of yard

[59:48] clippings every two weeks.

[59:50] Do we have, maybe this is asking for something we just don't have, it would be nice to have

[59:56] some metric for based on

[1:00:10] I don't know how to, I mean, the work proposal was an hourly rate. So, okay, well, it's an hourly rate, it's going to vary, you know, by the time of year. This one is a nice flat fee, and presumably there's some significant efficiency gained by the government.

[1:00:29] the bags that enables it to be more efficient for them, cheaper for us, that's all good.

[1:00:37] But what does this look like for them in November when everybody's making huge piles of leaves

[1:00:43] out there?

[1:00:43] I think the first challenge is that we have to get a hand wall on the abuse.

[1:00:49] It's difficult to answer your question because I believe about 50% of it is some contractor

[1:00:54] debris.

[1:00:55] Really?

[1:00:55] 50% of what's currently up until last month is going to be so.

[1:01:06] Just based on survey responses, right?

[1:01:11] Okay, we're not going to talk about it.

[1:01:13] I think the discussion is how to build a sustainable program that we can offer to residents in some capacity

[1:01:25] and still complete these priority projects that we have to get done.

[1:01:29] And so we have to have parameters.

[1:01:33] It can't just be an endless amount of material.

[1:01:36] We can't have people on the streets sweeping out huge piles of debris

[1:01:42] with a small team that we have.

[1:01:44] It's just not possible unless we contract it and employ a refugee fee.

[1:01:52] I would rather wait to do that after we get some more data back, and we can employ these, you know, five or six services this fall and actively work with the contractor and maybe some citizens to unhonestly identify if there is contractor abuse, and we can find the contractors.

[1:02:15] We'd have to redo the ordinance to do that.

[1:02:18] I mean, I suppose sort of a solution to the contractor is you as this three-bag

[1:02:24] limit. You know, if you've only got three bags and you're trimming all the

[1:02:30] trubbery and trimming your trees, you're going to fill those three bags up and

[1:02:34] then you're going to have to tell you what to say. Yeah, the other big job that's going to be more than that.

[1:02:37] Yeah. Yeah.

[1:02:39] You know, I've been viewing this trial as a trial. Let's see how this works.

[1:02:47] And that's why I'm asking, what's the time frame on this?

[1:02:53] If we say, we were picking up relief from Lynn's what, once a month?

[1:02:59] Help me out.

[1:03:01] Every time I see my friends.

[1:03:07] So what happens if we cut back for once a month, can we deal with that?

[1:03:12] And what impact would that have on us?

[1:03:16] I don't see the six in my mind, and really reinforced by what you're saying.

[1:03:25] I don't see my mind as a six going lasting as to the end of the year, including storms.

[1:03:30] It's not meant to.

[1:03:31] No.

[1:03:32] The challenge is that we have a set amount in the budget.

[1:03:36] And so, six collections spend half of your funds.

[1:03:41] So, you have nothing left for the spring and for the summer.

[1:03:45] So, you have nothing left for the summer.

[1:03:47] This doesn't even get us to believe season.

[1:03:51] No, well, it depends.

[1:03:53] If you started it in October,

[1:03:56] which would give you enough time to notify residents,

[1:04:00] you started it in October.

[1:04:02] Maybe you did one pickup in September,

[1:04:05] one pickup in mid-October,

[1:04:07] then you go to two pickups December and November and that gets you to six.

[1:04:16] So that's where

[1:04:17] we need to tinker with with the calendar. Can I just another logistical question? I went

[1:04:24] around before Will did his work. Thank you again for going around town and picking all that stuff up,

[1:04:31] but I went around just I was curious. You know, we had some wind with some trees even fell down

[1:04:37] And I was curious to see what people would put out.

[1:04:41] And in many instances, it was literally just my handful,

[1:04:45] like this, when I thought, really,

[1:04:47] somebody's taken the time to carry that out to the street.

[1:04:50] But then in other instances, a number of homes on

[1:04:53] Lawrence, South and North, there were sections of limbs

[1:04:58] that were maybe two-thirds of the length of this table.

[1:05:01] Those aren't going to fit in one of these bags.

[1:05:03] Well, there are supposed to be much shorter

[1:05:05] that is five five ordinance are supposed to be less than four feet and less than three

[1:05:10] inches.

[1:05:11] Four feet isn't going to fit in the better view, right?

[1:05:13] But so what do we, I mean, the people are doing that now, they haven't been doing that

[1:05:17] up till now.

[1:05:18] Well, and that's one of the challenges.

[1:05:19] It's not just, we also have to save money, but in order to do that, we need to get the

[1:05:24] word out and we need to change behaviors.

[1:05:27] But what, I mean, what are we going to do if we proceed along this line and somebody

[1:05:34] We could sell one of these piles of limbs that are, you know, five feet long.

[1:05:39] Are we just going to drive by and say, no, we're not getting that?

[1:05:42] We have to have standards of a program, and unfortunately, it's going to have to be

[1:05:47] a property maintenance response.

[1:05:50] If we can't collect it because it has not reached the measures of the program that we can

[1:05:56] displace offer, then it would be a property maintenance standard because they would have

[1:06:01] to remove it.

[1:06:01] I mean, I will say in response to that, that everybody has another option.

[1:06:06] When you've got that much yard waste because you've done your spring trimming and you've

[1:06:12] just got more, they're going to fit in the three bags or you've got rims that are just

[1:06:14] too big to need to standard.

[1:06:17] You can hire somebody, there's a lot of people out there who do this and you write them

[1:06:22] a check and they'll tow it away for you.

[1:06:23] And I don't think it's unreasonable for the taxpayers to set a limit of the amount of yard

[1:06:33] refuse stated broadly that the town is prepared to pay to pick up anything above and beyond

[1:06:40] that is on the home floor.

[1:06:42] Well, and that I think helps with the enforcement issue because if you know there are not a lot

[1:06:49] of people who have the wherewithal to, I mean, I've seen stuff as big as this table out

[1:06:54] by meeting that, you know, they claim they cut themselves, and it would take several

[1:06:59] days to do that all day, so it's unlikely.

[1:07:06] We can work with the tentative calendar now.

[1:07:09] We can go ahead and do a workshop meeting, but that is my suggestion that we do pick up

[1:07:16] September, pick up in October, and then we increase it, either late October, have

[1:07:24] two in November, one in December, based upon some input. That would give you your

[1:07:32] six, and we would have that data going forward for the spring.

[1:07:37] And if we have storm damage and things like that nature, that to me is something we're

[1:07:42] You just have to cover an addition that's emergency.

[1:07:45] And to be clear, this three-bag limit,

[1:07:48] this isn't three bags for you and your contractor, Phil.

[1:07:52] This is three bags if the homeowner is doing it himself

[1:07:54] or herself.

[1:07:55] That's right.

[1:07:56] So I have a question about bags.

[1:07:58] Who buys bags?

[1:07:59] Me and your mom.

[1:08:01] And they cost them.

[1:08:02] $25 for a pack of two.

[1:08:04] And they're reusable, 80 gallon bags.

[1:08:06] Yes. The paper ones are not as expensive, but they also are prone to damage.

[1:08:14] Well, and with a challenge for Antonio to kick off, because then you have to separate

[1:08:18] those at the landfill. So the reusable ones can be dumped and then returned to you.

[1:08:26] All right, so we're going to open this up for public comment. I see Barbara jumping up and

[1:08:30] down in the back. So come on up, Barbara.

[1:08:36] You guys have useful suggestions. You have

[1:08:38] three minutes. State your name and your address.

[1:08:41] Our remains in 206E strand.

[1:08:44] When you're putting together your calendar,

[1:08:47] I would like you to remember that typically,

[1:08:49] live Christmas trees will take that as part of that process.

[1:08:54] Exactly, just most of that out there.

[1:08:56] Thank you for that reminder.

[1:08:57] Thank you.

[1:08:58] Art, please.

[1:09:00] We can't hear you back at all.

[1:09:02] Oh, I'm so sorry.

[1:09:04] I'll speak louder.

[1:09:05] and when people come to speak to you, they have their backs to us, and we can't hear what.

[1:09:12] Oh, she reminded about Christmas trees are part of the traditional December pick-up.

[1:09:19] And art, I mean, Stuart, feel free to say you can't hear, and I will repeat what they say.

[1:09:24] That would be the only callout y'all are allowed, okay?

[1:09:32] You're up.

[1:09:32] If you can't hear me, it's something wrong.

[1:09:35] Okay, I agree.

[1:09:40] I went on to the website for St. Michael's, they pick up, I went on to the website for track

[1:09:45] with me in the town, they pick up, on the website for Cambridge, they pick up.

[1:09:50] So I don't know what you're talking about, honestly, I'm going to be saying that we do

[1:09:53] more than they do, because they do trash, they do recycle, they do leave and leave, that's

[1:09:59] one thing.

[1:10:00] Second, if I miss one week of trying to pick up leaves on my property and I have one tree in front of my house that I am surrounded by trees around me, I can't keep up.

[1:10:15] I cannot possibly keep up. I have from the past two months right now, I can tell you that I will fill up at least one of those 80 gallon.

[1:10:26] And I didn't even do anything big.

[1:10:29] I just mowed lawns and picked up some debris that took place from the storms.

[1:10:36] I could do that now with a little.

[1:10:38] So three bag women, I don't understand.

[1:10:41] A three bag women.

[1:10:42] If I put out bags and kept it coming along and he's writing pranks and picking it up,

[1:10:47] does it matter?

[1:10:48] Does it matter?

[1:10:49] Does it matter if he's picking up a tent?

[1:10:52] Why doesn't it matter?

[1:10:52] he's picking up and moving and dumping and dumping them out, okay?

[1:10:57] The other thing that I'm sorry, I'm trying to be quick.

[1:11:01] The other thing that's going on is, I like to understand, I spoke to Antonio last night,

[1:11:08] but so the agenda item, actually, I was wondering why I wanted you to come here today, okay?

[1:11:13] So the agenda item, and I spoke to Antonio about what he thinks he's being asked to do.

[1:11:19] And I just heard what you think he's being asked to do.

[1:11:23] You do need to talk.

[1:11:25] Because you're not talking the same thing.

[1:11:29] The bads that I'm trying to say,

[1:11:31] I need to say, what?

[1:11:33] You need to tell me at 130 seconds.

[1:11:34] Downs?

[1:11:35] Bad?

[1:11:36] Okay.

[1:11:37] You're talking to me.

[1:11:38] I told you the following thing is,

[1:11:39] you need to talk to figure out if you're talking

[1:11:42] about the same thing, doing it the same way.

[1:11:45] Okay.

[1:11:45] In the fall, if I put a tarp out, and you want to find out what the public works

[1:11:52] does, that's because it works when they pick up my house in November and December.

[1:11:59] I have a tarp that covers my two tarps, three tarps that covers my entire front lawn.

[1:12:05] And I have to do that every week, throughout the week, and I don't have a lot of trees,

[1:12:11] I said, we're going to be three around.

[1:12:13] That's following on.

[1:12:14] That's it.

[1:12:15] Thank you.

[1:12:16] Can I confirm that?

[1:12:18] Antonio and I have had several conversations

[1:12:19] about the services.

[1:12:20] And he has a full number of students.

[1:12:22] Thank you.

[1:12:22] He doesn't.

[1:12:23] You could have spoken last night.

[1:12:25] Okay.

[1:12:25] I just spoke to him last night.

[1:12:27] Thank you.

[1:12:28] Thank you.

[1:12:29] Debi Kureliki.

[1:12:35] My name is Debi Kureliki.

[1:12:36] I know that one hundred of Benoni Street

[1:12:39] and I am the sole person in charge of everything.

[1:12:43] I don't have a long service.

[1:12:45] I don't have anyone to pick up my roll stuff now.

[1:12:51] When I cut my grass, it goes in a round bag,

[1:12:54] and I have been taking it to our other house

[1:12:58] to the naturals, putting it into my car,

[1:13:01] lifting it and taking it and putting it,

[1:13:03] and I'm 77, okay, and I think that we had this service.

[1:13:11] Because I would much prefer that you cut the service in half or whatever in order for

[1:13:16] us to continue to put our what we've been doing.

[1:13:21] And I think many people can afford to buy bags, I put everything in brown bags or double

[1:13:31] bag brown bags.

[1:13:33] I think we can afford.

[1:13:34] People that can afford a long care person, that's great.

[1:13:38] maybe we have the town give us a list of people that we can pay you say hey let's

[1:13:44] write a check well you could do that but it gets expensive if you have things

[1:13:49] every week so I'm just I'm just upset about all of it sorry

[1:13:56] All right.

[1:13:59] Anyone else?

[1:14:01] Russ Gray?

[1:14:04] Actually, did you stop the time?

[1:14:11] Great for us in a cell in Los Angeles.

[1:14:15] First of all, I've never seen a solution

[1:14:20] developed for a planning effect.

[1:14:23] New York kind of a solution before a full-fledged plan is

[1:14:26] in effect.

[1:14:29] We don't know how many times during the rest of the year

[1:14:32] it's going to be a day of asking. Now there's a message. How many times a year do you pick

[1:14:37] up a service going to be? It's limited to six straight over by time. Wouldn't it be better

[1:14:43] if you had a plan in terms of the discussion, the work session, whatever, to decide exactly

[1:14:49] what the plan would be? And then you could then allocate what expenses, what the number, pick

[1:14:54] up all the issues that we're talking about right now. But a lot of the comments are not

[1:14:59] I'm really late.

[1:15:00] And he had way in terms of what's going on right here. I think, as I talked about, he talked about three areas.

[1:15:12] The other key point is the fact that, when the first time, and the meeting tonight, was talking about abuse, abuse, and enforcement of abuse.

[1:15:26] This is, I've heard, talking about abuse, enforcement, and

[1:15:33] And effectively speaking, let's have some discipline,

[1:15:36] things like this in terms of this.

[1:15:38] Come on.

[1:15:40] Let's get a solution based on what the plan is for that.

[1:15:44] So we should write there.

[1:15:47] One of the things mentioned in terms of the proposal,

[1:15:50] was talking about eastern.

[1:15:52] I met with eastern town clerk this morning.

[1:15:54] I was there.

[1:15:56] And I got to tell you something.

[1:15:58] Their plan differs a little bit,

[1:16:00] and we'll talk about here.

[1:16:02] November through January leaves are picked up weekly with the leafback.

[1:16:06] February through October leaves another long debris must be bagged and the resident needs to be picked up.

[1:16:11] Call the office and it will be picked up on their regular weekly trash pickup day.

[1:16:16] Bulk removed call the office for a pickup and we will be picked up on the next trash removal day.

[1:16:21] Advanced notice, no additional costs for any of the debris pickups, long leaf, small ones and bulk.

[1:16:27] they do not pick up concrete.

[1:16:30] Allocated costs for the total trash services are 325750 per year,

[1:16:36] which is what Holly said right there.

[1:16:38] That's included in the tax base.

[1:16:40] That is not a separate charge.

[1:16:42] That has not something that's been allocated per person

[1:16:45] for household.

[1:16:46] So that is there.

[1:16:48] And these are weekly services, purring the weekly services.

[1:16:52] That's better than twice a month, which is what we have.

[1:16:55] So I don't understand what we're talking about, actually.

[1:16:58] Second, the whole idea of, I believe we look at other jurisdictions, and I'll just ask,

[1:17:08] how I'd even call it, but the figure of schedule wasn't just the beach.

[1:17:14] I did.

[1:17:15] What was it?

[1:17:17] Thank you, thank you.

[1:17:18] Thank you.

[1:17:20] Thank you.

[1:17:22] Wow.

[1:17:24] Wow.

[1:17:25] I don't think.

[1:17:26] We can find out the Chesapeake Beach, but truthfully,

[1:17:29] you don't have a chance to respond to this.

[1:17:31] It doesn't matter what the pickup is in other towns.

[1:17:35] We have to have the public works complete the projects

[1:17:38] before the end of the year.

[1:17:40] We need to take $39,000 and do the most with it.

[1:17:45] That is the plan.

[1:17:47] If you have a better plan, write another letter

[1:17:49] with $39,000 to spend.

[1:17:52] We take in, we take in a million one in property taxes and $290,000 in income tax.

[1:18:00] That's $15.50.

[1:18:02] That runs this office, permitting public safety, the roads, the streets, and the pick-up.

[1:18:09] It's not a lot of money.

[1:18:11] It's not.

[1:18:12] Your time is up.

[1:18:14] So we do it in terms of policy.

[1:18:17] I would love to hear from you.

[1:18:19] I hear a lot of letters from you.

[1:18:21] I would love to hear it.

[1:18:25] Is there anyone else that would like to weigh in about, does any would have a plan about

[1:18:31] war?

[1:18:33] Come on up.

[1:18:34] There you go.

[1:18:34] Come on.

[1:18:47] It's actually informed what is here.

[1:18:50] That's true.

[1:18:51] You don't.

[1:18:51] I

[1:18:55] understand that only that $40,000 has been allocated

[1:19:06] for a dark waste removal.

[1:19:08] And that's for 12 months, is that all right?

[1:19:14] And so I

[1:19:19] guess what I'm trying to get my head around

[1:19:21] is that we've lived here four years, and I understand

[1:19:26] it's been going on for a lot longer. The yard picks up, pick up. I've been twice a month

[1:19:32] every month. So that's 24 pickups. And what we're talking about now in order to only spend

[1:19:41] 40,000 a year is one pick up a month then or not pick up every month and maybe like in December

[1:19:51] when a lot of the leaves do fall,

[1:19:53] that hang the trees that hang onto the leaves longer,

[1:19:56] there would be two pickups.

[1:19:58] But what we're considering is really a total of 12 pickups

[1:20:04] a year based on the contract proposal.

[1:20:12] That's way 40,000 would cover.

[1:20:15] Yes, that right?

[1:20:16] Okay.

[1:20:16] Okay, I'm

[1:20:21] actually, it's my husband who does the yard work on our property, but I'm speaking

[1:20:26] because I know what's involved.

[1:20:29] We have a nice eye shark with small trees and shrubs, and it's the weaning, it's the

[1:20:41] pruning of small trees and lowline holly branches.

[1:20:47] It's actually a lot of the leaves are used for mulch, but then excess ones have to be cleaned up.

[1:21:01] And we don't even bag our cut grass.

[1:21:07] So anyway, every single two-week pickup, we have at least two full containers.

[1:21:22] Right now, just with July and the first 11 days of August, we have five filled containers.

[1:21:33] and I just feel like we're going from 24 thickups to 12 thickups and then possibly limiting those 12 thickups.

[1:21:49] I feel there must be a way to have the service for the people just to take care of their properties so that the town looks nice.

[1:21:58] there is a way, you're absolutely right, and that would be to charge the residents in additional

[1:22:03] care. And we've been trying to avoid that and use the budget as we have it to respect

[1:22:10] the homeowners, but it may come to that Karen. We don't have it in the budget, we can't do the maintenance on the stormwater drains.

[1:22:18] The guys have got to be put to work on the stormwater projects, and there's no way for us to pay for those.

[1:22:26] mean this water meter project saved us $900,000

[1:22:31] because they did it.

[1:22:33] And that's what we need them on.

[1:22:35] We need them on the thing on Toman and Stuart wrote a nice

[1:22:38] letter considering how flooded he was.

[1:22:41] But we need more stormwater projects and we need to

[1:22:44] spend our resources and staff time on that.

[1:22:48] And so to go to outside contractors we may have to

[1:22:51] explore charging for it as they do in other townships.

[1:22:54] And it doesn't matter what other towns do because we have the fiscal reality we have.

[1:23:01] Thank you for your comments, though.

[1:23:03] I do appreciate your polite comments.

[1:23:07] It looks like Bob, hi, Brian.

[1:23:09] Come on.

[1:23:10] One,

[1:23:16] two, first three.

[1:23:18] I hear you.

[1:23:19] I would love to hear more about what the actual labor was to the guys at the board of workers.

[1:23:29] I know they work very hard, but nobody's disappointed by how many hours that takes.

[1:23:36] If it's twice a month, it was so many hours, there's a two or three days, it takes them

[1:23:41] to do that one project, is it one day, and frankly I'd like to hear from Michael, who runs

[1:23:49] the operation.

[1:23:50] What the burden is to him, and how many hours he sees, I'm sure that's going to be very

[1:23:57] But we talk about these things. I'd like to hear from the real source of what really takes these guys to do. I have a great appreciation. They're wonderful. I'll pick up.

[1:24:08] But to me, this is speculation of what we can and can't do. Help us understand what the real work is for these boards and the kind of hours that takes away from these projects.

[1:24:21] I calculated, and I'll get the exact figures, if it's two to three or four days of

[1:24:27] that I did a variable for six months until the end of the year, it was 800 hours.

[1:24:33] And we needed those to have the, and I'll find the email, I think it sent it to the commissioners,

[1:24:40] but it was 800 man hours, so it takes the entire guys two and a half to three days a month,

[1:24:46] and that came out to 800 hours.

[1:24:48] Yes, all the information is informed by public works and by the public works team.

[1:24:53] Yeah, and frankly, I'd like to hear Michael to say, this is what we have to go through.

[1:24:58] This is the key today.

[1:24:59] What it does to us.

[1:25:00] How would anyone taxes on achieving our objectives?

[1:25:03] You know, I'm hearing and then I don't want to hear any more.

[1:25:07] I'm just expressing my opinion and it's up to you to make your decision.

[1:25:12] But these are a little bit more.

[1:25:16] I actually think that there was an article posted with Wilcolez who did this himself,

[1:25:23] his family, did this collection and it was in great detail about the thorns, the two

[1:25:28] inch thorns that are on these branches.

[1:25:31] I mean we want to hear the details of what these guys go through to take this material up.

[1:25:35] This is an amazing account of a citizen who did it himself and is telling you exactly what

[1:25:43] they're expecting.

[1:25:43] It's a poison ivy that thorns the rakey.

[1:25:45] But they have a froth, they break and they have a froth,

[1:25:48] what do they live up?

[1:25:49] And I try and bundle the logo up to do what they expect.

[1:25:53] And it's a little frustrating, Miss.

[1:25:54] I just got, I have my second free go down.

[1:25:57] I've already paid over $4,000 for what I'm,

[1:26:00] and I got another one coming out.

[1:26:02] But if I have loose twigs later out,

[1:26:04] I can't put them out, because my space

[1:26:06] where I store stuff is, for yard waste, is already full.

[1:26:10] And we're not done with summer storms, but we're not, that's why I wanted to hold one in advance possible.

[1:26:16] Thank you, Bob. Mr. Wilcox and then Margaret in the back.

[1:26:35] Jim Wilcox, 307 North Morse. I'll make a suggestion that it's not going to make everybody happy, but I'm sure that we're going to be happy one way or another.

[1:26:45] And I know the town often said something around suggesting that a lot of

[1:26:51] called routine and yard waste, like these and such, should just be shredded and

[1:26:59] treated as mulch, as well as grass clippings.

[1:27:02] Now I think not everyone's got like that because it may not seem terribly aesthetic,

[1:27:07] but it's probably useful in terms of the environment and health,

[1:27:11] in terms of the reservoir of the center,

[1:27:14] and the eliminate a lot of the volume.

[1:27:16] Then what we have is a problem with the storms and the twigs

[1:27:20] and whatever.

[1:27:21] I imagine that that's a smaller volume

[1:27:23] if we could at least eliminate out of the bag

[1:27:26] and take away, you know, grass clippings leaves the center,

[1:27:31] which frankly is a healthy matter.

[1:27:34] Should be shredded up anyway, just left on the ground.

[1:27:37] Thank you.

[1:27:39] It does, or we're, or we're subsided, as much.

[1:27:53] You could state your name and your address please.

[1:27:55] Long enough seconds and some more.

[1:28:00] My suggestion would be to maybe have the guys just do it once a month.

[1:28:06] And I'm sure that Michael and his crew can identify which properties are putting out waste from their contractors.

[1:28:15] I mean, you know, I just know they met that, so perhaps we could follow up with that and

[1:28:23] maybe find these people, but it seems like just taking away from their other duties one

[1:28:31] day a month would not be that much of a burden on your projects.

[1:28:39] Thank you, that's not suggesting.

[1:28:41] Thank you.

[1:28:41] Any other comments?

[1:28:44] Mickey Tyrone?

[1:28:46] Thank you.

[1:28:47] I don't have to go ahead and lie to myself.

[1:28:49] Oh, yes, you do, and state your address, please.

[1:28:52] So I'll go to the third street.

[1:28:54] My concern was, generally, take care of our house.

[1:28:59] We take care of the yard and the priors, just privately.

[1:29:03] But listening to the issues, I've

[1:29:06] seem to have gone from really good service by the time

[1:29:10] zero. And I don't see where perhaps you can explain how I mean to explain where at least during the

[1:29:18] very height of the season of foliage coming down, that maybe once more to see that what I've

[1:29:27] always been impressed with was the equipment that the town has and the way that the staff runs the

[1:29:34] equipment pretty efficiently. They come in large amounts of leaves and

[1:29:41] And they do a really good job when they do it fast.

[1:29:43] My sense is that somehow we could squeeze in one, four, two, or three tours by the town

[1:29:55] staff with using their equipment for the basic, I work with Antonin.

[1:30:00] And he does a great job. I'm not sure where equipment he has to handle those kind of large, I know we have the town has the truck to the use of the dump truck. And the other equipment that have lifted up, lifted up, things, things, heavy things. And it's really impressive. Seems to me, we can squeeze in a couple of those, you know, planned events to pick up large amounts of waste,

[1:30:28] especially during the time of the year where esteemed the most without crippling the effort to do the other of the main projects, which are, you know, I understand really important.

[1:30:41] To me, it seems like a couple with a few visits from the town staff with their equipment and Antonio working as well, something really good could come up.

[1:30:54] I appreciate your positive comment.

[1:30:56] Can I say something?

[1:30:58] If there are no more comments?

[1:31:00] Are there no comments?

[1:31:01] You guys?

[1:31:02] Yeah, there are.

[1:31:05] Yeah, we'll let you guys comment that.

[1:31:07] Of course.

[1:31:12] We'll call it one of six stubborn.

[1:31:15] This is the comments I only hear the last, just because of that.

[1:31:20] I can't believe that when this is a big picture here,

[1:31:22] we should all support our family, our priorities,

[1:31:25] our right now supporting public works,

[1:31:27] in your award years as a fellow, working in our school,

[1:31:30] more into store management, our calculus,

[1:31:34] and we've complained about picking up leaves and sticks.

[1:31:38] I think a good compromise is once a month,

[1:31:42] just to kind of see how things play out and then go from there.

[1:31:46] I think if you can provide that service

[1:31:51] and our citizens of the town,

[1:31:53] take a little responsibility and pay for it to be additional pickers.

[1:31:56] So if you want to do that much cleaner, then pay for it.

[1:32:00] I think you can take that much individual responsibility

[1:32:04] as I want.

[1:32:07] The issue of the once a month is going to be

[1:32:10] enforced because if there's a pickup once a month,

[1:32:14] from that date to the next month, people will just

[1:32:17] put stuff out on the street, they'll

[1:32:19] circle along all month in a pile.

[1:32:22] I don't know if you noticed, and I'm not

[1:32:24] to my own here, but the talent is really clean right now. And the two-month pause is just

[1:32:29] awesome to walk through the town and see how clean it looks. I see it. I get out of my bike

[1:32:36] every night. I pick up trash every other day, pick up large stakes, I drag them to piles,

[1:32:41] put them in my truck. I have all my sleeves and do what I need to do this is. And I think

[1:32:46] you all need to do that, especially right now. I don't want to keep pause it for the rest

[1:32:52] in here so we can get some of these projects done.

[1:32:55] I'll try to learn about those where I'm in and things

[1:32:58] like that in the meters.

[1:33:00] It should be installed.

[1:33:01] This should be our part.

[1:33:02] And we should all pull together and support that.

[1:33:05] Not pick up my leaves and my sticks.

[1:33:07] I can tell you that it's just hard to leave it.

[1:33:09] It even comes out.

[1:33:17] Those are my new ones.

[1:33:18] This is what I noticed when I did my pick up the stuff

[1:33:22] that's at it.

[1:33:23] I think it will help to develop it.

[1:33:24] It makes our town a little trashy.

[1:33:28] If you just really take a notice and look outside,

[1:33:30] you know when you are in the defense,

[1:33:32] when you drive through town, how our town looks,

[1:33:35] when you drive through, more street beds,

[1:33:38] and so on, how pretty it could be without trash pile up.

[1:33:43] Every other day, we have trash pick-up on one day

[1:33:46] and we have the sticks and leaves.

[1:33:50] Every other two weeks, it's pile up.

[1:33:52] We have a role full of weekends, it's just labor, it's people leave Saturday, it was a

[1:33:58] scratch outside of the evenings of Sunday morning, it's just, you know, I don't know, maybe

[1:34:02] I have different hearts, maybe because I grew up here I have different hearts, and that

[1:34:06] doesn't make me special, but it makes me care, maybe a little more.

[1:34:14] Perfect timing.

[1:34:16] Is there anyone else before I open it up for Commissioner Comet?

[1:34:23] All right, Norm?

[1:34:25] Three minutes?

[1:34:27] That's your executive privilege because as much as you like.

[1:34:31] Oh really?

[1:34:32] Yeah.

[1:34:34] All right.

[1:34:35] I don't remember whether it was the last meeting one before that.

[1:34:38] But I said that if we would have had the information we had now,

[1:34:44] we would have had a plan in place.

[1:34:47] Things just came together where we were facing this deadline of the meters.

[1:34:56] U.S.D.A. was on our next, you know, fighting, you know, not fighting, but, you know, they were on our next to get something done and we had to show some progress.

[1:35:08] And this whole issue came up where we, then the next piece that came up was the quote for $850 or $900,000 for the contractor to put the meters in.

[1:35:23] which was $850,000 or $900,000 that turns out we can do, say, that money number one.

[1:35:30] Number two, it was somewhere in the order of $500,000 more than we expected based on the project that was put together whenever that was put together.

[1:35:42] So those things came together and I said, you're right, you should have had a plan but all these things came together and we would push, we had to do something, this is what we did.

[1:35:52] What we're talking about tonight are two things.

[1:35:56] We're talking about how we're going to get some stuff cleaned up.

[1:36:02] And long term, what are we going to do about it?

[1:36:05] To me, there are two separate things.

[1:36:07] The short term thing is how do we stop the stuff from accumulating?

[1:36:12] In case you haven't noticed, governments don't work as fast as corporations do because we

[1:36:19] have to have open meetings. And I'm not saying anything against open meetings, I will

[1:36:25] for them, but that's part of that's that's that's the context that we have to work

[1:36:30] in working in that context right now. So we got two things, we got to figure out what

[1:36:36] we're going to do for the next several months, and we got to get the work on a plan pretty

[1:36:40] quickly. To me, they're kind of two different things. Number one, we're here to discuss

[1:36:47] the contract. To me that's the short-term issue and see if it's feasible, see how it works,

[1:36:54] and we've got to decide how well from when we want to do that. Long term, I've heard a lot of ideas

[1:37:00] tonight that, you know, we already, you know, this is the public input part, so we need to think about

[1:37:08] that long term which includes how do we do it scheduling and all that kind of stuff to make

[1:37:14] to see if we can get it into our schedule for the public works folks.

[1:37:20] My personal opinion from what I've seen is every day and a half that the public works

[1:37:28] is doing this kind of stuff because that's about what it takes, the whole proof,

[1:37:43] five

[1:37:45] Well

[1:37:46] Yes, yeah

[1:37:48] Paul Paul don't quote me on the number, but it's big, okay? It's not three hours

[1:37:53] They can't and and and they have other work that needs to be done in addition to

[1:37:58] What they're doing to save us the big money on the project all that's got to be meshed together mushed together

[1:38:06] So that the guys don't work 26 hours a day seven days a week, okay?

[1:38:11] We need to think that through

[1:38:13] And that's the second part of this, thinking that through.

[1:38:17] So my question is, my comment is,

[1:38:22] I'd like to see us focus on the short-term effort

[1:38:26] to get us through what we want to do for a couple of months

[1:38:31] while we figure out the long-term issue.

[1:38:35] And it could be more money.

[1:38:39] It could be.

[1:38:40] We'll see how that.

[1:38:41] And we have we have to see how this all goes is a lot of data be collected

[1:38:46] We're fine. You're right. We're flying blind to some extent, but we have data

[1:38:50] We have data. We know what this costs us because the the public works charges their time based on the work they do

[1:38:57] We have that data and that's where this

[1:39:00] You know hour and a half you know day-and-a-half comes from

[1:39:05] But it's a big chunk for them. You know day-and-a-half is what?

[1:39:09] I can't do the math. 30% of the time? Some like that. I used to be an engineer.

[1:39:19] But, you know, so I think we need to separate these things and work on them as we need to with the priorities.

[1:39:26] My mind, the priority right now is what are you going to do in the next couple of weeks, a couple of months?

[1:39:35] It's 200 hours for that day and a half of work time for eight hour days, and so if you multiply that times two or three days a month, that's 600 hours.

[1:39:46] It could be put to stormwater projects, gravity-fed stormwater projects, protecting our home values not just for the people who fled, but for everyone.

[1:39:55] And I've seen a number of the estimate is about $83,000.

[1:39:59] And so for the short term tonight, totally agree with Norm.

[1:40:02] What we're really going to talk about, what we really were here to talk about is Antonio

[1:40:07] taking on six pickups this fall, and whether or not we want to hold one out for a storm event.

[1:40:17] And some people have been very generous in saying, hey, I only need the once a month.

[1:40:23] And maybe we look at October and say that's a once a month or September and that's a once a month and then we look at November and say that's a twice a month and December that's a twice a month.

[1:40:36] But that would be my suggestion. It's not unlike what art sent several months ago.

[1:40:42] I should.

[1:40:43] Several.

[1:40:43] Yeah.

[1:40:44] Several months ago.

[1:40:46] I mean, we only got the RFP's back now to have it go outside when we realized there was

[1:40:52] going to be a real time crunch that the guys couldn't do the projects before the December

[1:40:57] 31st deadline.

[1:40:57] Otherwise, we get the money back to the Treasury.

[1:41:00] I don't know.

[1:41:00] That's another piece of it, but that ARPA money goes back unless it's nuts.

[1:41:04] And we don't want to do that when you keep that thing because they have work to do.

[1:41:07] Absolutely not.

[1:41:08] So I think what we want to do is there is, is there any sort of tentative agreement about once a month, twice a month, twice a month, holding out one for storm, or you want to discuss it further?

[1:41:21] I think storm to me is an emergency and we just deal with that as we have to.

[1:41:25] I think so too.

[1:41:26] All right, so we effectively can do September one and then two, two and two.

[1:41:34] No, that's, that's more.

[1:41:35] That's seven.

[1:41:36] That's seven.

[1:41:37] You know, it's September 1, October 2, until...

[1:41:40] Well, could we deal with the bigger issue here?

[1:41:43] We can work that out.

[1:41:44] I hire Antonio.

[1:41:45] Yeah.

[1:41:46] Yeah.

[1:41:47] Actually, I have one question about this proposal.

[1:41:50] And that's with respect to the $20,000 dumpster fee that we are incurring.

[1:41:55] I saw that for the other proposal that would eliminate the need for the dumpster fee.

[1:42:01] But I wasn't clear on Antonio's proposal that he still need that.

[1:42:04] doesn't we do not need the dumpster with his proposal because he's gonna take

[1:42:07] everything off site to get directly to the landfill okay well that's yeah

[1:42:11] that's so that's a $20,000 expense that we will not incur but that was

[1:42:17] included in the 39 yeah so you didn't you didn't go to 59 no no I just did

[1:42:25] that part I was I was just worried about whether you had that addition yeah

[1:42:31] All right, then let's approve.

[1:42:34] Let's take a vote.

[1:42:36] Let's take a vote on putting the contract

[1:42:38] for Antonio for six pickups in the amount of $19,290.

[1:42:44] Before we do that, I would like to make sure

[1:42:46] that everybody on everybody being in the office

[1:42:50] and Antonio understands what the work is.

[1:42:55] I'm not saying before we approve it, but that's part of it.

[1:42:58] Got to make sure that we understand.

[1:42:59] Well, I think that's up to our manager to implement our contract, all right?

[1:43:06] So do I hear a motion to approve the $19,290 from yard debris removal lines?

[1:43:15] So moved by Norm Bell and second.

[1:43:19] All in favor?

[1:43:20] Aye.

[1:43:21] Aye.

[1:43:22] Thank you all for your comments.

[1:43:24] Moving along.

[1:43:25] Secondly, though, we're not secondly.

[1:43:28] This was a good, you know, we got some, you know, comments, good comments, all good comments.

[1:43:37] And so we need to have some more of this as we decide the long term issue.

[1:43:42] Well we also need to have some and work on it with the public publicity so that everybody

[1:43:47] is aware.

[1:43:48] Yeah.

[1:43:48] So I think we need to kind of, you know, especially in the very short term because people

[1:43:53] need to buy these bags in order to have their stuff picked up.

[1:43:55] Yeah, we need to do we what can we confirm the schedule? Is it one in September one in October two November two December that get that gets us to six and that's what we're going to do.

[1:44:07] Okay, and I'll just set those dates with the Antonio and we'll get those public eyes.

[1:44:11] Okay.

[1:44:12] All right, so commissioners consider other expenditures related to Noah earmark or equipment required to complete project goals in an amount not to exceed two

[1:44:23] You have 252734 as budgeted in the fiscal year 27 general fund budget, no direct cost,

[1:44:32] line item currently budgeted, $134,700, and revenue is being budgeted as $134,700.

[1:44:41] Commissioner's authorize that a future budget amendment will account for additional revenue and expenses in year one.

[1:44:47] It's important to know that this is all part of the earmark, so this is money from the federal government that is supporting

[1:44:53] this project. I think to add to that, Holly. Yes, and we have Noah, Zach over here and support of...

[1:45:00] As the request, this is, as Commissioner President Greer had said, this is part of the budgeted equipment purchases for the NOAA EO Mark funding. So we will draw the federal funds to make those purchases, and then we will purchase them as submitted and researched by the NOAA team. Any questions? There's quite a list of equipment for in your packet.

[1:45:29] The difference, the higher than budget expenses, that just means there's less money in the out years to spend.

[1:45:36] Right, so it's just putting more money in the end.

[1:45:38] It's just a timing question.

[1:45:40] Right.

[1:45:40] So the budget has a change for the NOAA project.

[1:45:43] We'll just be bringing in more revenue than had originally expected.

[1:45:47] And then we'll just make a clean-up of a minimum budget to recognize that additional revenue and then put it associated.

[1:45:52] So if they had this budgeted for three years every year for a certain amount, this is putting it all up front

[1:45:58] So they have the equipment in the first year. Is that success?

[1:46:02] Yep, yep, yep. Okay, all right, so do I hear a motion to approve?

[1:46:08] So moved, second.

[1:46:10] All in favor? All right, all right.

[1:46:13] Commissioner Cicita approving the reposting of the earmarked positions, research scientist and grants coordinator.

[1:46:19] We did post them one time. We had several applicants. They were able to accept the

[1:46:26] positions. So we're going back out again. So any questions?

[1:46:31] And what changed in terms of what we're putting out now is it's been modified to clarify the

[1:46:36] role. Reload and relocation is not included and the salary.

[1:46:45] Okay, motion to approve.

[1:46:48] So moved second.

[1:46:49] All in favor?

[1:46:50] All right.

[1:46:51] So we're going to talk about parking on Pierce Street.

[1:46:54] So we have some people that that directly affects that our viewers talk about it and so glad you're visiting.

[1:47:05] Does anyone want to leave out the discussion?

[1:47:08] This was added to the agenda that later.

[1:47:10] So what is it? How do you want to tell us what to do?

[1:47:13] Sure. So the last time we met in work session format, the commissioners, you were

[1:47:18] tested that I go to our engineer and have them confound how many spaces could be

[1:47:24] potentially added. From that initial plan, there was actually only six spaces.

[1:47:30] And there was some concern with the stone that was being added that it would

[1:47:34] it's safe because of the wet conditions.

[1:47:36] In addition, we need to add the ADA parking

[1:47:40] if we are expanding the parking spaces.

[1:47:42] So what you have before you is a proposal

[1:47:47] that is close to $50,000 to add about 26 parking spaces.

[1:47:58] And I do want to clarify that this is not budget A.

[1:48:01] We do not have this in the general crime budget.

[1:48:05] So we have to find a way to account for the funds necessary.

[1:48:13] Do you guys have any questions?

[1:48:15] I wanted to talk with the owners of the restaurant and have them come up.

[1:48:19] Is that okay with you?

[1:48:20] That'd be fun, isn't it?

[1:48:21] Okay.

[1:48:22] Hi, guys.

[1:48:24] I just want to talk about parking in general at the restaurant.

[1:48:27] Would you mind coming up to the table, bow and chute?

[1:48:35] I get a lot of calls and I had some texts with chute

[1:48:39] but we haven't had any formal, formal discussions.

[1:48:43] Without talking about the parking lot first, would it help

[1:48:47] if we had a QR code that we posted in town,

[1:48:51] or you guys posted on Facebook,

[1:48:53] that would designate like a parking A, B, and C lot?

[1:48:57] We have space over at the tennis court,

[1:48:59] the waterman's lot, which is not used at night.

[1:49:02] And of course, the pure street,

[1:49:04] if we put some, go ahead and put some money onto it.

[1:49:06] And that way, people could hit that, say, hey, I'm in parking lot A, can you come get me, or vice your C, come back.

[1:49:15] Have you thought about any kinds of solutions?

[1:49:17] You have a pretty young group, I think they use the QR group.

[1:49:21] I don't think there is going to happen.

[1:49:23] Really?

[1:49:24] Really? What do you think?

[1:49:26] I mean, I'm so frustrated right now, should I do this?

[1:49:29] I understand.

[1:49:29] This is absolutely ridiculous.

[1:49:31] We've been here for nine years.

[1:49:33] We've been buying golf carts.

[1:49:35] We hired people to help as far as you tell them.

[1:49:39] I stand at home far and far away from it.

[1:49:41] It's like we didn't build this place.

[1:49:43] It's best to have been here for years.

[1:49:45] Now we catch a lot of people,

[1:49:46] you give me a lot of stairs.

[1:49:48] We haven't increased our capacity.

[1:49:50] We're still talking about that.

[1:49:52] But he's getting out of there to just scream in the morning.

[1:49:55] It's like, I don't know.

[1:49:57] You can probably be one of the kind.

[1:49:58] right amount of concern, so the first reason.

[1:50:01] So the first reason, all we do for this community,

[1:50:04] all we do for that, all we try to help,

[1:50:07] and then all it goes is nothing,

[1:50:09] and then we don't care.

[1:50:10] And so you want to, you want to go ahead and do it.

[1:50:13] So you've got to, I'm going to tell you,

[1:50:15] you can keep your calls, you're going to keep saying

[1:50:17] what you're saying, and you're just frustrated.

[1:50:20] We try to do the best we can.

[1:50:22] Not really, all right, as you as this,

[1:50:24] we've done such a good job.

[1:50:32] Nobody's looking, nobody's looking to kind of see you and listen to you.

[1:50:35] You know they look closer than you need to look closer.

[1:50:40] Look at what's going on right now.

[1:50:43] So here to talk about parking.

[1:50:45] Why are you talking to your battery?

[1:50:46] You don't like what I'm saying?

[1:50:48] No.

[1:50:49] It's fine.

[1:50:52] It's fine.

[1:50:52] Yeah, that's not fine.

[1:50:53] This is it. It's not fine. It's not fine. I'm tired.

[1:51:00] Some of those are also tired of it.

[1:51:02] Not shit anymore or two.

[1:51:03] I want that I do have cases that we are trying what we can't do.

[1:51:10] It's not like we turn back and ignore it at all.

[1:51:13] We continue to do things to try to make it better.

[1:51:18] You know, unfortunately a situation will wait.

[1:51:20] one restaurant opened in all the town of Osh, and they come to us. And you know what, I

[1:51:28] seem to think we have a good product, but I have to be honest. I think we're in the places

[1:51:32] up and up, it won't be as much traffic. But I have no control of that.

[1:51:37] It's a separate discussion about the fire, fire-martial issue in your capacity.

[1:51:42] I imagine that.

[1:51:43] Yeah.

[1:51:44] No, I didn't.

[1:51:45] No, I didn't.

[1:51:46] You mentioned it.

[1:51:47] It's a separate discussion. What we're here to talk about.

[1:51:50] I'm not talking about it.

[1:51:50] Yeah, what we're here to talk about is if there's anything we can coordinate with you in terms of parking and signage

[1:51:58] to help you help alleviate some of the problems.

[1:52:02] Absolutely. I mean, we have done things to try to do.

[1:52:05] We went to a meeting, we were supposed to go to another parking lot.

[1:52:09] It was always there. Nine years ago, it was a huge, a lot of things about the telephone park.

[1:52:14] I don't know, that's good. We can't get in there. A lot of people didn't even know it was there.

[1:52:18] We went to the meeting.

[1:52:19] Well, that's part of the reason to have the QR code is so that people coming from out

[1:52:24] of town.

[1:52:25] It is not patently obvious where that that lot is and the $50,000 for the parking lot

[1:52:36] is for that parking lot.

[1:52:37] The one that you used to use quite a bit with the golf course.

[1:52:41] Yeah.

[1:52:42] But what I think what we're seeing is that there are additional places to park that are

[1:52:49] are even easier for people to come in from the main street.

[1:52:52] I eat that space behind the tennis court and the waterman's lot.

[1:52:58] If we can somehow, you know, people are used to using a QR for a menu or drinks menu.

[1:53:04] If we can somehow do that and then have your golf carts cell phone number on there.

[1:53:10] So to reduce, it's very hard to change behavior.

[1:53:14] Where do you think they're going to drive to first?

[1:53:16] You are a pipe, you're going to drive to first.

[1:53:20] They're going to drive down west to your street.

[1:53:21] Yep, they're going to drive around the parking lot.

[1:53:23] And when they're parking, I was in full,

[1:53:25] and they're going to go to another parking lot.

[1:53:27] I'm going to try to, but I try to use going forward to,

[1:53:30] you know, I don't think there's a restaurant

[1:53:32] who can tell any space in town that has a parking lot

[1:53:37] that fits whenever a person's capacity.

[1:53:41] You know, I could have 50 people, I could have a party of 50 people from the dots, and

[1:53:47] drive separately in 50 cars, and that part isn't one of West Pierce Street.

[1:53:51] Oh, absolutely. This is to try to redirect some of the traffic to see.

[1:53:56] And you know, we personally don't taste good. I mean, I think people know that we have,

[1:53:59] people know that we have the struggle when they know it's a convenience, but they will drive down West Pierce Street first.

[1:54:07] I agree with that, but when you and I texted you said that you and your wife were still

[1:54:12] talking about how you can get people to use the golf cart that they have to call the restaurant

[1:54:17] first, and then the golf cart's directed out out of there on a QR code with a cell phone

[1:54:24] number if you make it faster because people are always going to do what's easier for sure.

[1:54:29] But if I had been a member of the party or a drug student,

[1:54:33] I'd still have them to the argument to get some of that.

[1:54:34] I'll get some of that.

[1:54:35] OK.

[1:54:36] I don't think they do.

[1:54:37] I don't mean that's...

[1:54:38] Yeah.

[1:54:39] They all stay.

[1:54:40] I don't know.

[1:54:41] I guess from my frustration.

[1:54:43] It's just...

[1:54:43] Oh, man.

[1:54:44] I understand.

[1:54:45] We do try.

[1:54:46] I mean, sometimes it's fierce.

[1:54:48] Did other people all think we'd be trying?

[1:54:50] The way you do it?

[1:54:51] Well, the problem, I think you're experiencing is common.

[1:54:55] People that, you know, are upset with something.

[1:54:57] The other ones you're going to hear from, you're not going to hear from all the people

[1:54:59] went down there to appreciate all the things you're doing.

[1:55:01] I mean, I just thought about the people that come

[1:55:05] playing with us.

[1:55:08] I just don't want to be a think that we're not doing it.

[1:55:10] No, I think everybody sees your golf carts out there.

[1:55:13] Everybody sees, you know, you've got a parking lot.

[1:55:16] You keep it, you keep it, you keep it, you fill the bottles.

[1:55:17] It's $20,000.

[1:55:19] I'm sure.

[1:55:20] That's golf carts.

[1:55:20] Yeah.

[1:55:20] And we're trying to get a parking lot to help you.

[1:55:22] It's going to cost 50 grand.

[1:55:26] And we're going to get 50 grand.

[1:55:28] Well, that was, you know, one of the things I was thinking about when I looked at this,

[1:55:34] we don't have this money in our budget.

[1:55:36] So the next budget period doesn't start until July, and so we're going to fix this for

[1:55:41] 20-28.

[1:55:43] I mean, we have a collectively, we have a problem, and, right, I mean-

[1:55:48] This was, like, this weekend, I just prefer to do, if this is on for what if we can flip

[1:55:54] about?

[1:55:55] Yes.

[1:55:55] It's such a scroll up and down forestry, and I think he's part of a lot.

[1:56:00] There's not only beneficial to the business in town, the residents to keep congestion.

[1:56:06] You know, it's sort of a town washer as a whole.

[1:56:11] I mean, we're actually going to talk about where people like to throw air.

[1:56:15] You know, we have these events that are C.C.

[1:56:16] It's a unique place to treat.

[1:56:18] I don't know. It's your life worth.

[1:56:19] The Regatta Weekend, the Naval Academy race, et cetera.

[1:56:23] day of the Memorial Day. Yeah.

[1:56:26] Offs her day. So we utilize these these alternate parking lots. We want your

[1:56:31] patrons to be aware of them. And it's an imperfect solution. I know. I've been

[1:56:36] wondering if there's been a restaurant or just a bit. Yeah. Just as well. We have the

[1:56:39] bookboards and say please follow the speed limit to turn your music down. Don't

[1:56:45] litter. Don't you speed it out. Just so you know we've got complaints about the

[1:56:49] about a weekend, about parking, all up and down.

[1:56:54] And I said to Holly, I know that the mothers

[1:56:56] with two kids in a big sailbag are going to do it's easiest.

[1:57:01] And that's just the way it is.

[1:57:03] They aren't necessarily going to go out to the football field

[1:57:07] unless there's a golf cart there to pick them up that minute

[1:57:10] because they're all running behind.

[1:57:13] So I know it's not easy.

[1:57:15] You don't have two cars.

[1:57:17] Yeah.

[1:57:17] Yeah, five people, if you'd need to, once that's there,

[1:57:20] so it's almost so much of a little bit of a pickup.

[1:57:22] Every little bit helps.

[1:57:24] And we do.

[1:57:25] Yeah, every little bit helps too.

[1:57:28] And then we have to figure out a way.

[1:57:30] There were some cars that were had their driveways blocked.

[1:57:34] And we have to figure out a way to get those tickets.

[1:57:37] What's that point?

[1:57:38] That's not recommended.

[1:57:39] Oh, I mean, right now, I guess a little bit

[1:57:41] shares the bar on hand, but I'll figure it in right

[1:57:43] apart because it did.

[1:57:44] No, they can.

[1:57:45] If they're blocking the driveway, they absolutely can.

[1:57:46] and they've been following up on that.

[1:57:48] And as much as the residents hold the town and complain about it,

[1:57:50] I'd suggest maybe they follow the sheriff's performance.

[1:57:53] They do.

[1:57:53] Yeah.

[1:57:55] That's what he's at.

[1:57:56] I agree.

[1:57:57] I can't control, you know, I don't know if they come to my restaurant.

[1:58:00] I don't know if they're going to want their neighbor's house.

[1:58:02] I don't know what we're going to do.

[1:58:05] Right.

[1:58:06] I'm really going to, I'm getting so many things.

[1:58:08] You know what, it's, no.

[1:58:10] You have some additional traffic to change this a little bit.

[1:58:15] But what kind of analysis have we done to know how much 23 additional spaces is a 23 including 280 or 25?

[1:58:25] Is it 23 spaces with including 2 ADA spaces or is it 23 spaces plus 2 ADA spaces?

[1:58:33] It's 23.

[1:58:35] 23 total.

[1:58:37] Including.

[1:58:38] So how this is a lot of money, but it's 23 spaces, but how much of a problem does

[1:58:44] having 23 more spaces solved?

[1:58:47] I think one way to answer that is counting the cars on a busy night.

[1:58:55] Right, you count the cars on a beer and a couple of others on a beer.

[1:58:58] Stop when you get to 23, you see who you are.

[1:59:01] If I may, you know if I may interrupt, I just also on West Peer Street, if you go out on Friday morning, which there are a lot of deals, they're right, they pull their car out of the driver's.

[1:59:14] I'm sorry, I'm not a resident.

[1:59:16] Pull their cars out of their driver.

[1:59:19] He parked the street.

[1:59:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah.

[1:59:21] I get that.

[1:59:22] That's fine, I mean, it's a street.

[1:59:24] Right.

[1:59:24] You got friends coming over, right?

[1:59:25] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:59:29] You got friends coming over, right?

[1:59:30] at the end of West Pierce Street, right before the stop sign, who have very limited

[1:59:38] driveways and are tired of their friends family not being able to do so.

[1:59:44] Yeah, I don't fall people for doing that.

[1:59:46] So that is not most of the parking on West Pierce.

[1:59:51] You've heard your truck down for you.

[1:59:53] Where?

[1:59:54] At the end of West Pierce Street.

[1:59:56] Okay, we're not going to get into that.

[1:59:57] Okay, yeah.

[1:59:58] Thank you.

[1:59:58] Thank you very much.

[1:59:59] Thank you very much.

[2:00:01] Are there other things that you have talked about? I mean, and would the 23, it's just a second pet, would the 23, I mean, how does, how do the residents do it? Besides just the parking lot, yeah, I just, there's other things that I should, you know, the street that wants permitted, whatever the baseball team is, for instance, where's the streets? Like, could we, I mean, could we even grow up on just the side of the road? You know what I mean?

[2:00:30] They said, if you go down to where that call is at,

[2:00:33] where the source is on the right,

[2:00:36] and then you can't run out of that call is that,

[2:00:38] I mean, it looks as if people get parked

[2:00:40] on the side of the street.

[2:00:41] Oh, absolutely, absolutely, you have people parking there.

[2:00:44] Oh, I've been down that road, and then back towards

[2:00:47] the community, you said, I mean, can we drive?

[2:00:49] I mean, can we throw a spell down, all that,

[2:00:52] and just does that.

[2:00:52] Is it a parkable now?

[2:00:55] I mean, if people park that for OCRAM,

[2:00:58] on the circle?

[2:00:59] Yeah, I mean, it is drought. It's actually great because there's no, there's no pedestrian traffic.

[2:01:04] It's a good spot.

[2:01:05] It's a good spot.

[2:01:06] What on the grass is, where the grass is, it's not.

[2:01:10] I mean, if we could grow out there, it's just...

[2:01:12] Yeah, I'd like to see it. Can we walk it sometime?

[2:01:14] Yeah.

[2:01:14] Okay.

[2:01:16] I've walked over there in a while.

[2:01:17] Yeah, and you're all out of communities.

[2:01:19] Because they're the East Park and Sue.

[2:01:21] I mean, what they have in the event, I mean, if you have any of these perfect storms,

[2:01:24] where it's a holiday weekend, you know, that it's sort of, you know,

[2:01:29] Asher Tunisers, something going on, and it's just a holiday weekend.

[2:01:33] We're just busy just naturally, you know, and hopefully alleviate some of these things.

[2:01:39] So, the planning commission looked at all the places that we could use for parking in town.

[2:01:50] I don't know if they looked at that, but I don't think they looked at that.

[2:01:54] I hadn't thought of that particular area.

[2:01:56] Thank you for bringing it up.

[2:01:58] It makes sense because the golf cart is running up

[2:02:00] and down that street anyway.

[2:02:02] As opposed to the water, it's the different direction.

[2:02:05] So my concern here now is that are we going to solve this

[2:02:10] tonight?

[2:02:11] No, this is a workshop discussion.

[2:02:13] It's just a chance to talk about it in the public

[2:02:15] because we are constrained by having

[2:02:17] to talk about it in public.

[2:02:20] So I do think this is going to be iterative because there was something that was mentioned about a problem that we have to address with this parking is going to be an issue.

[2:02:32] Previous to that.

[2:02:33] Previous to that.

[2:02:34] So that's a real issue in there.

[2:02:36] This has been a parking issue since.

[2:02:38] So wait, wait.

[2:02:39] You know, it's not going to be considered an major investment.

[2:02:43] Of course.

[2:02:46] It's a separate problem that's been in assistance for a while, and I think looking at the cul-de-sac makes a lot of sense.

[2:02:53] There's nothing down there.

[2:02:54] There's nothing down there.

[2:02:55] I mean, you have the storage units across the street in an old warehouse.

[2:03:00] I mean, my studio.

[2:03:01] What do you have to do with Jim?

[2:03:03] Yeah, I know.

[2:03:04] All right, and we're going to open it up for an additional public comment.

[2:03:08] You're going to stay here on that path.

[2:03:11] I thought I was going to go first on any path.

[2:03:12] and that's the point.

[2:03:14] Okay, thank you.

[2:03:15] Thank you.

[2:03:26] When I was chafe when we had these issues,

[2:03:30] I allowed the soccer field to be used for overrun parking

[2:03:34] or overflow parking if the ground was hard enough.

[2:03:38] And that took the stress off the side streets.

[2:03:40] We also, I also went down towards the,

[2:03:44] what I call, a industrial park,

[2:03:46] looking at it all the left, so long as they're not blocking the fire hydrant that was the first single all in the corner.

[2:03:55] The soccer field makes perfect sense, if the commissioners didn't talk to the public works in Hollywood,

[2:04:02] field is not going to tear it up, it may stop being used.

[2:04:05] It's the highest elevation there, it's like three feet higher than everything else.

[2:04:09] Yeah, I mean it's high.

[2:04:11] Which is why everything's flooded.

[2:04:12] Just put cones or help the soccer nets.

[2:04:16] It isn't as convenient for the restaurant people

[2:04:19] and they're absolutely right.

[2:04:20] People are going to do what's easiest.

[2:04:23] And so if they see that the golf carts running up

[2:04:26] and down there, it probably makes more sense

[2:04:28] for regular weekend traffic.

[2:04:32] For the regatta weekends and for Fourth of July

[2:04:35] and for Oxford Day, I think we have to use the football field.

[2:04:39] I mean, it's just a thing to ease that, because some people think they've got to go to

[2:04:48] blocks and wait for something, they get a little bit of patience, that's unfortunately

[2:04:52] good.

[2:04:53] Well, we well know that people are going to be wet, it's easy, that's what it is today,

[2:04:57] but that's what two sets worth it.

[2:05:00] Thank you, Pat.

[2:05:01] Glad we all saw some terracotta.

[2:05:03] That's right.

[2:05:04] Barbara Ranson.

[2:05:14] I wanted to reiterate what she was saying.

[2:05:17] We've been talking about his parking situation since before he bought that property.

[2:05:25] In all of the conversations that I've heard, which has been many about parking, we talked

[2:05:31] about the lot by the dog park and there was money set aside, one of the grants to be able

[2:05:37] to rehab that parking lot for use

[2:05:39] from the community center and docs.

[2:05:43] I think it's important to note

[2:05:44] that in all of these conversations,

[2:05:47] the term enforcement really doesn't get said.

[2:05:53] And so if there's signs out front

[2:05:55] where the curves are painted,

[2:05:56] which we talked about doing three or four years ago,

[2:05:59] I don't know that we've ever done that.

[2:06:01] We talked about painting the curves

[2:06:03] so that people would know where they can and cannot park.

[2:06:07] We've never followed through with that.

[2:06:09] So, I understand the frustration from the people who live there.

[2:06:13] It is a public street.

[2:06:15] We do need businesses in our community.

[2:06:18] Eventually, hopefully, there'll be more restaurants to pick from.

[2:06:22] We're very fortunate to have docs and all that they do for our community.

[2:06:27] I in no way want to punish them for being successful.

[2:06:34] They're successful to our community.

[2:06:36] there's the employee people they are an asset to our community. So when we talk

[2:06:42] about parking and when Lisa and Dan had hopes and when capsize before that

[2:06:50] stuners they had their lot. The town also subsidized that lot but the water

[2:06:55] been parked in by day and the restaurant goers parked in by night.

[2:07:03] The

[2:07:04] infrastructure of the town providing parking to patrons. We need that

[2:07:10] income. We need that visibility and we need to make it easy for people to

[2:07:15] come to Oxford and pay for businesses. I think we need to be very mindful of

[2:07:20] that. And if we said we were going to build a parking lot, we said we're going to

[2:07:25] paint the curves. Let's paint the curves. And if we need to hire somebody who will

[2:07:30] issue tickets where we need to clarify who can write a ticket, then let's do that and use that

[2:07:36] as a way to subsidize the expense of parking lots and pay new perks. I really like the painting

[2:07:41] curbs because we can undo that, we can experiment with it, see how it works. And I also like the idea,

[2:07:48] I think it'd be pretty inexpensive to rehab the cul-de-sac. I'd also like to say about that cul-de-sac,

[2:07:54] Where my business is located, there was an accident last weekend with a young woman who

[2:08:02] parked on that street because a boat trailer is parked in front of the biopitrant.

[2:08:09] She parked in front of the boat trailer, a car leaving my parking lot, hit her car, meanwhile

[2:08:16] there's a whole parking lot sitting there empty.

[2:08:19] That call to staff is not as easy as you think.

[2:08:21] there's a big divot on the ballpark side and there's a big divot on my side.

[2:08:26] So before we make a plan on that, somebody needs to do a little bit of a study.

[2:08:30] Yeah, that's what we could take, walk it and then have the engineer take a look at it

[2:08:34] if it's going to be less expensive than the 50 for the other thing.

[2:08:38] We could get it done sooner.

[2:08:40] All right, let's also talk to what do you think we talked to the planning commission

[2:08:43] to get them involved to you?

[2:08:45] Yeah, and I think we need to do it on a timeline with an eye toward, you know,

[2:08:49] know, it's already almost Labor Day, right? But, you know, come next spring, none of us want

[2:08:56] to be having this conversation then. So, we're going to always be having some sort

[2:09:01] of the conversation. Well, at least if people are doing something between NARL and Memorial

[2:09:07] Day. Okay, and Marty.

[2:09:13] Morning, Beth. So, 113 West Cures Street. So, right in the middle of

[2:09:18] I'll give you a copy of my question to one through

[2:09:22] like an help moment.

[2:09:24] So the dynamic is the property originally before

[2:09:28] the reconstruction had been recognized

[2:09:31] by not employing a little history part, just the history.

[2:09:36] With the reconstruction understanding,

[2:09:39] it's going down, which I certainly appreciate.

[2:09:42] The construction changed the size and the configuration

[2:09:46] of the property. At no time were the adjacent property owners in the region of Westpier

[2:09:53] Street or the other neighborhoods around the property. And this is a sole property

[2:09:58] in the middle of residential, it's about an acre in the corner. So at no time would we

[2:10:04] be notified in the approval process that there was this expansion underway. The demand for

[2:10:12] parking is a function of the occupancy of seating in the restaurant for sure and when I look

[2:10:19] at the fact that with the restaurant and the arena and the store there's a recognized

[2:10:26] level of parking that's supposed to be provided by the town's ordinances and it was out of deficit

[2:10:34] before the expansion and now the facility has been expanded. Able to predict the implications

[2:10:43] about it. Now, what I read in the June 24 planning report is there was to be no expansion

[2:10:54] of seating or occupancy. And nevertheless, it appears there's been a great expansion of

[2:11:03] seating and occupancy. Based on what? Based on what?

[2:11:11] I have to ask you to refrain from, I know, I know, I know, you know, I got pictures as

[2:11:19] evening charts, okay, and you know, maybe a good thing, maybe a good thing, just to be

[2:11:27] direct, is maybe you want to invite your neighbors to talk to you and give you some feedback,

[2:11:34] you won't even look at your mobile phone.

[2:11:36] All right, we're going to shut this down, Marty, can you finish up?

[2:11:40] Okay, let's see, you know what's happening is the parking is just overwhelming the street itself.

[2:11:49] Some of us would like to see no parking.

[2:11:52] There's no parking on Morris Street at the end of West Pierce Street before East Pierce Street.

[2:11:58] And when I look at the total scale of the parking right now,

[2:12:02] your main lot is probably something about 70 spaces, the small lot, I've seen

[2:12:07] as many as 12 cars and then West Pierce Street, I've counted 35 cars along

[2:12:13] West Pierce Street. These Pierce Street, I've counted 15, South Morris lot across

[2:12:19] her post, I've counted 30. So on that footprint, forget about where a lot of the

[2:12:32] Not the middle of the week, it's the farthest out of the sun.

[2:12:35] So I'm going to hold you to your three minutes, Marty.

[2:12:38] I know he interrupted to you.

[2:12:40] No, no, no, they had more to speak about.

[2:12:43] I represent the other point of view.

[2:12:47] I invited them up to get some testimony,

[2:12:50] so it's a little bit different.

[2:12:52] If you do the math, there will be on the license

[2:12:57] I think you can see as indicated on the basis of the approval of the June 14th and you got something right and you're going to present to us at some point.

[2:13:07] Great.

[2:13:08] And if I'm at my expires, I'm going to do what you were saying about.

[2:13:12] Thank you, Marty.

[2:13:13] I do appreciate your flight.

[2:13:14] Yes.

[2:13:16] Okay.

[2:13:19] Now we have a set.

[2:13:21] I do think we want to talk about next steps.

[2:13:27] As former planning chair, what is your recommendation?

[2:13:36] I think we got

[2:13:40] to understand what the planning commission was talking about when they recently

[2:13:48] looked at the coffin.

[2:13:50] Am I wrong in that they recently looked at the coffin?

[2:13:52] I'm saying that the last summer.

[2:13:55] Last summer?

[2:13:56] Last summer?

[2:13:56] Long time ago.

[2:13:57] Last summer?

[2:13:57] last 12 months. We need to get that information. And I think, well, we need to take a look

[2:14:09] at all the information we can get together. I mean, we're not going to solve this in the

[2:14:14] meeting like this. What we need to do is have

[2:14:23] an open dialogue and and and control the

[2:14:28] open dialogue and make sure that all parties are talking to each other so we understand

[2:14:39] this whole thing.

[2:14:40] Not just we, but everybody else does.

[2:14:42] Absolutely.

[2:14:43] Absolutely.

[2:14:44] I think let's take a look at the cul-de-sac.

[2:14:48] Let's take a look at the estimates.

[2:14:51] I am concerned as we all are concerned that it's not in this fiscal year's budget and

[2:14:56] can't do it, is there something that could

[2:15:00] Let's be an easier solution. Let's do a workshop with the rest of our owner and whatever interested parties there are, and we'll have an agenda and try to, try to control it. We want to be polite and respectful. I know people are passionate about this, but we can still be polite.

[2:15:21] What we need is open dialogs, everybody hears everybody else, but he stays in that common

[2:15:27] understanding.

[2:15:28] This agreement is perhaps put a comment on the stand.

[2:15:32] All right.

[2:15:32] So we'll schedule that so that we can work on this issue.

[2:15:37] We can also piggyback it on some of the election things if we run into time constraints.

[2:15:42] So with that, we're going to close the workshop, and that's the last item for tonight, so

[2:15:48] We can open it up for general public comment.

[2:15:51] Again, state your name and your address.

[2:15:53] You are not restricted to the germane topic.

[2:15:56] It could be another topic.

[2:15:59] Or you'll have it.

[2:16:00] Thank you.

[2:16:02] Thank you.

[2:16:03] Thank you.

[2:16:04] Thank you.

[2:16:05] Anyone?

[2:16:07] In that case, I'll announce the future commissioner's meetings.

[2:16:11] And you go home and have a nice dinner.

[2:16:16] So if they don't have it in front of me, because they hit it.

[2:16:18] August 25th is the next meeting.

[2:16:22] I think that's as far as head as we need to worry about.

[2:16:24] We'll be in touch with you about either the elections workshop

[2:16:28] or a general parking workshop.

[2:16:30] Parking is an overdue concern.

[2:16:33] Period.

[2:16:34] End of story.

[2:16:35] Both on Main Street and elsewhere.

[2:16:38] And Peer Street.

[2:16:39] All right.

[2:16:40] Good night.

[2:16:41] No, no, no.

[2:16:43] I'll make the most in the year, I'll second that.

[2:16:46] How was it, Dave?

[2:16:48] All right, and good night, and good night.

[2:16:56] Sure.

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