[0:00] Good morning, everybody. Without further delay, we're going to call the Hillside Building Committee meeting the order. Today is Wednesday, October 18. It is just a little past 8 a.m. And what I like to do is start with introductions of the committee and staff if they'd like. My name is Scott Jarson. I am the citizen member of the committee and the current chair.

[0:27] I'm Scott Tan. I'm also a citizen member of the committee. Thank you.

[0:32] I'm apparently.

[0:36] Thanks for being here.

[0:40] Yeah, here we go.

[0:45] And, um, what else do we have?

[0:52] Commissioner Nisekis. Yeah. Commissioner Nisekis. Can you hear us? Okay.

[0:59] Yeah.

[1:01] He's connecting, getting a lot of feedback.

[1:05] We'll try that. I know he's here. So thank you and welcome.

[1:12] And we have somebody new joining us today.

[1:15] Would you like to introduce yourself?

[1:20] Good morning. Thank you.

[1:21] I'm Chad Weaver, the Community Development Director.

[1:24] Great. Chad, thanks for being here. Welcome.

[1:27] All right. Now that we're called to order,

[1:29] I just want to remind everyone from time to time,

[1:32] We may need to convene into an executive session to discuss any of the items on today's agenda with the town attorney.

[1:41] If we do that, we will just make a motion to go into executive session.

[1:45] We'll clear the room and then we'll invite everybody back in.

[1:50] One other piece of housekeeping, the committee will review the items on the agenda today.

[1:56] at the end of each item review with the committee we will call for public comments.

[2:03] So if anybody is here from the public to discuss these items on the agenda today, please come on up.

[2:09] Grab a microphone, introduce yourself by name, and please keep your comments to roughly about three minutes.

[2:17] All right, we've got some nice agenda today.

[2:21] We're going to start with item 23281, if we're ready.

[2:26] and before we start, we just want to make sure that we are connected and that they can hear us as well online.

[2:35] Yeah, Scott?

[2:36] Yeah, say we go.

[2:37] Good morning.

[2:38] I just want to make sure, yeah, I was on mute.

[2:42] I'll be back soon.

[2:44] So Bill Neseek is here, member of the Planning Commission.

[2:47] Excellent.

[2:48] Thank you for being here today.

[2:49] Appreciate it.

[2:50] Thank you.

[2:52] Thank you.

[2:54] And then also if John or Mike either of you could hear me or hear us if you could just confirm.

[3:01] Oh my God.

[3:01] Okay.

[3:01] Thank you.

[3:06] A little bit of technical difficulty.

[3:07] Yeah.

[3:08] Please stand by.

[3:09] I just want to confirm you can hear me.

[3:11] Yes.

[3:11] Thank you.

[3:12] All right.

[3:13] We're all confirmed.

[3:14] Okay.

[3:15] Thank you.

[3:15] We're good to go.

[3:16] Yes.

[3:17] All right.

[3:19] We're going to start with item A on the staff report agenda today.

[3:23] This is a formal review for a major remodel to a single family residence.

[3:27] the address is 5355 East Desert Vista Road and if you'd like to introduce this to us, what's that?

[3:34] Yes, of course. So as you mentioned, this is a major remodel to an existing home. It went through

[3:40] a concept preview and this is a formal. This is an aerial view of the home or what it looked like.

[3:50] this is the map of where it is within the town and

[3:59] essentially this project or

[4:02] construction started a while back. It was an illegal construction that was

[4:07] started without permits. This is what the home used to look like. So it had

[4:12] man's or roofs.

[4:18] You can see it all all the way around. This is what the home looked

[4:22] like.

[4:34] From this area of view you could see that the home did have some walls here.

[4:39] which includes the pole area. They also had some fencing back here. The scope of the remodel

[4:48] basically touched the exterior facade walls and as since they kept the roof the same

[4:54] and hence they did not have to remove these walls. They also did minimal landscaping or

[5:01] proposed minimal landscaping changes. All of these areas kind of stayed the same. The driveway

[5:07] way did come out used to be payers as you could see from some of these photos, at least

[5:13] the circular portion of it used to be payers and they went to DG.

[5:21] The lot is approximately 0.97 acres or 41656 square feet.

[5:28] As I mentioned, not a lot of changes occurred to the home.

[5:33] They did extend some patio areas specifically to the front of the house and then in the

[5:45] rear as well.

[5:47] So this

[5:52] is what the proposed elevations will look like in essence.

[5:56] They took off the mansard roofs.

[5:59] They made it more modern in terms of height.

[6:05] the height that they're calling out they did increase the

[6:09] parapet height and that's 20 feet and

[6:20] this is what the original home used to

[6:22] look like. So it's almost that 20 feet on this chimney and like I mentioned

[6:30] some of those parapet it's kind of met this other existing height on this the

[6:35] tallest point which was 20 feet already from this answer roof and

[6:53] this is due to

[6:54] The amount of changes that were done, they were not required to submit a full safety

[7:00] improvement plan.

[7:01] We are requiring them to submit a grading and drainage plan, depending on the valuation

[7:08] of the project, they may have to submit a full grading and drainage plan with potential

[7:14] upgrades to the site, but that's in the future.

[7:20] in terms of the building materials that they are proposing.

[8:04] So they are, these series walls are going to be a gray color.

[8:07] It is within the LRV of 30, 38% or less.

[8:14] These are some of the papers that they are proposing.

[8:16] It's this gray stone.

[8:18] Some of the facades will have this other black chip stone.

[8:24] it's a dark black color. Their garage door is going to be painted white and then they do have these

[8:35] wall scone lights that they are proposing as well.

[8:41] This is what the home is going to look like.

[8:47] So as you can see it's very modern to complete change from what the existing was or what the

[8:53] previous was.

[9:07] And then in terms of lighting, they are not proposing any landscape lighting,

[9:12] remember

[9:19] with me.

[9:25] The lighting that they are proposing does not meet the lumens. We had

[9:31] notified them about this. Essentially, they are proposing 16 wall sconces.

[9:42] 16 wall sconces,

[9:44] This Lumen count is over 2,000 per code.

[9:47] They're allowed at 750.

[9:49] In terms of the downlights, there's 8 that they called out.

[9:53] Those are also over the Lumen count of 750.

[9:57] And you can see where these wall sconces are.

[10:02] Look, in this area, you'll even this area as well.

[10:07] And then towards the rear,

[10:20] there is no solar.

[10:24] to the public sewer system or fire marshal had no comments to provide either.

[10:31] At this point, I'd like to ask the applicant to join us.

[10:37] And then if they have anything to add.

[10:40] Good morning, welcome.

[10:47] Good morning, I'm Scott shorter with advocate.

[10:53] And we're helping the homeowner navigate through the hillside approval process.

[11:04] Ryan Patterson, Patterson Homes.

[11:06] Welcome. Thanks for being here.

[11:11] Great. Anything you want to add to those A's presentations?

[11:18] Let me see. The only question that I had is in regards to the exterior lighting.

[11:27] As it relates to the formal review, is that something that can just be redlined on the

[11:34] plans and then submitted separately, or does it have to go through another formal review

[11:41] process?

[11:43] I think I'll answer that staff can chip in, but generally today, as we review things, there

[11:49] might be some things that we stipulate as part of your approval.

[11:52] Some of the lighting changes could roll into that and that would get you on your way.

[11:56] You'd submit that revised plan sheet to staff for review and then they would get typically

[12:02] with chair for kind of both eyes on and just final approval, keep you moving forward.

[12:08] Okay.

[12:09] Wonderful.

[12:10] Thank you.

[12:10] You're welcome.

[12:12] Thanks.

[12:13] I'd just like to add that we're trying to be compliant with everything, we're not trying

[12:17] and not be not compliant on anything in this project.

[12:22] I want to get it punished for this investor

[12:24] and get it look pretty again.

[12:26] Great. Well, we appreciate you coming in.

[12:28] It's always good to kind of write a mistake

[12:30] and so we're happy to have you here.

[12:33] I just have a question a little bit more

[12:35] and it is on lighting.

[12:36] If we can get to that one lighting sheet

[12:38] that shows the plan right there.

[12:43] Yeah. So you're right.

[12:44] Where your cursor is along the line there.

[12:47] There's like four, those are recessed cans.

[12:50] Yes.

[12:50] Yeah.

[12:51] I might, I know we have to, we have to kind of bring that in a little bit as it is.

[12:58] I also like to see those moved further away from the structure.

[13:02] One of the things we try to avoid is washing any of the architectural vertical surfaces.

[13:07] So pull it out a little further on those lights.

[13:10] Yeah.

[13:10] So it should be centered in my opinion.

[13:12] Yeah.

[13:13] Yeah.

[13:16] So looking at this question of the applicant, if you thought a little bit about what could

[13:22] be changed, eliminated, bring it into compliance on lighting?

[13:25] We can just lighting as far as the lumens that they show, first off, as far as that's concerned,

[13:31] we're happy to do so or if we need to take away certain things to make it into compliance.

[13:35] That's absolutely fine as well.

[13:37] I believe there was, I must have not yet uploaded but I believe there was a landscape lighting

[13:43] plan just to be in compliance to make sure everyone was on the same page. So whatever you

[13:48] guys need to do for landscape lighting we're happy to do so to make it all work.

[13:54] Yeah,

[13:55] that'll be important. I was just texting the architect as well because he's he's not

[14:00] sick so trying to take his heart. Yeah, I'm sorry about it but I'm trying to help out where I can't

[14:07] agree. So we didn't get the memory should dress in black and then we would have just thought

[14:11] It's almost like that, that's the black box, it's almost like that, but yeah, and I know

[14:20] that the issue on the on the paper, I guess, on the bottom for the civil, they were just

[14:25] going to keep the quarter minus and just compact it and braid it correctly.

[14:28] Okay.

[14:30] Whatever issue that may be.

[14:32] Do we have a landscape plan?

[14:36] I don't remember seeing it.

[14:38] No.

[14:38] I don't think so.

[14:39] Yeah.

[14:40] It's just on the render.

[14:41] Yeah.

[14:42] But we do have a landscape mainly.

[14:44] We'll be scroll through and find it.

[14:49] We look for that if there's any other questions from committee.

[14:52] Feel free to go ahead.

[14:55] I have a couple of.

[14:58] First staff first.

[15:00] So, just to confirm, because I couldn't really follow it, the driveway is not bigger or smaller. It's the same. Correct. Okay. So it did not affect any coverage or anything like that. No. But again, the material is different. Yes. Okay. So it used to be papers and now it's a DG. DG. Okay. Got it. And in your commentary, you indicated there is no landscape lighting changes.

[15:29] but now we're hearing from the applicant that there will be.

[15:33] Apparently.

[15:34] Yeah.

[15:35] So were we informed or not informed?

[15:37] Not informed.

[15:38] No.

[15:38] We kept pressing them on different items.

[15:42] This isn't as much as we got.

[15:44] So.

[15:45] Okay, so that was a surprise to you as well.

[15:48] Correct.

[15:48] Okay.

[15:49] Okay.

[15:49] This is a landscape plan that's shown on screen.

[15:53] Yeah.

[15:53] And we had asked them about any lighting that was taking place with them.

[15:59] the last landscape area and they said none was going to be provided.

[16:03] I mean, I think they're just to add some more to the meeting.

[16:09] To add some clarity, they're from our perspective.

[16:14] I may have a little bit out of tune.

[16:15] Originally, we were considering landscape lighting, but in the recent middle, we deleted

[16:24] all landscape lighting.

[16:26] So what you have here is the complete and final.

[16:31] Oh, I'm just about to apologize.

[16:33] Okay.

[16:35] So

[16:38] as far as moving forward with the meeting,

[16:41] there's not a landscape lighting plan or intentions to add it.

[16:47] Yeah, and that's that's what I recall with our discussion is there was no landscape lighting.

[16:53] But this is their landscape plan.

[16:57] Okay, so I'm just going to make a comment that exact statement's been made before and then two months later it's like, you know, a ball yard.

[17:09] After everything's done and we're gone and then it's all put in and we've had to have it removed.

[17:15] So just if there's not going to be any that's great.

[17:18] Yeah, we want to be if there's going to be we should review it 100% okay, I just said okay

[17:26] So

[17:29] are there is this project done?

[17:32] No

[17:34] This goes back months we did a stop work order and then also the building division went out there and did a stop work order as well

[17:43] Because they started condemning they started illegal instruction

[17:46] when we went out there, they had essentially started doing work on the site towards the garage

[17:58] on this area and then later on, they did more work on this, basically taking down that

[18:11] The only thing, like I mentioned, that we, we noted when driving by there again is that they took out the circular driveway. This other driveway is intact, but the circular one was taken out.

[18:24] So thank you.

[18:26] The stop workers, the stop work order is still in place.

[18:29] And then the building division had notified me as well that they had requested a special inspection be done by a third party and then they will continue once hillside has approved.

[18:42] They will continue their review sort of their inspections.

[18:46] last question, is there a cap on by code on scott's count per square foot or per

[18:56] something, or is it more the fixture itself meeting requirements? So the for

[19:02] wall sconces in particular they are limited to outdoor living areas and

[19:06] entryways, they're not limited in the amount. Are there any on this project that

[19:12] are in locations that don't meet the requirement outside of the fixture

[19:16] itself. No. Okay. Thank you. I'm done. Thank you.

[19:28] Any other questions or comments?

[19:34] Scott, Bill Nasekis here. I'm just getting back to the landscape lighting. I guess just from

[19:41] pure safety perspective, and I guess the town doesn't require it, but I understand no, you know,

[19:48] up lighting on trees and rocks and such, but wouldn't there be some consideration for what I

[19:56] would call pathway lighting or something that the residents or guests would obviously avail

[20:05] themselves of. They were approaching the home, etc. Wouldn't that just be a no-brainer to put in

[20:13] some sort of, you know, whether they're the little Malibu lights or something that would

[20:18] provide for, you know, safe comings and goings onto the property and back again.

[20:25] Yeah, so the those that go to does not require any type of exterior lighting or landscape lighting.

[20:32] Obviously we question all our applicants about landscape lighting in particular for that reason

[20:37] and for safety. At minimum, we would expect to see path lighting. That is not the case

[20:43] with this home. But should the applicant at this point decide to tell us in the future

[20:52] they do you want to pursue that? That's a stipulation that we can add. If they want to submit a

[20:57] lighting, or if they want to submit a revised landscape plan with lighting, we can then

[21:05] review it, do a chairman review with staff and the chair as well.

[21:10] Okay, thanks for today.

[21:15] And it makes sense on some level to have some safety lighting were needed for guests

[21:20] and homeowners.

[21:22] And you've got some wall sconces at openings as code, so that helps.

[21:28] But I've got some ideas here on how we might present that.

[21:32] One question, and then I think we brought this up, and I just noticed it.

[21:36] So, roof surfaces to be painted, built up foam, that's kind of a foam roof painted LRV

[21:43] complaint colors.

[21:45] I think we talked a little bit about doing some sort of granular codes and code, something

[21:51] we're moving to pushing that on to these rules to get a less reflective finish and stuff.

[21:57] Would you be open to completing that as part of the roof as part of the approval today?

[22:04] Yeah, okay. Yeah, we're just we just want to build a move forward the South is kind of an isolated neighborhood

[22:08] And we just want to get it get it cleaned up and get it get it back in compliance as soon as possible.

[22:15] Thank you

[22:17] So in one question on the landscape lighting

[22:23] so if if we modify our plan sheet and add some pathway lighting

[22:28] then that would be just just a staff submittal to Jose and

[22:36] for his approval or yes so within the report right now there's a stipulation for the lighting

[22:44] for the home and so that's to revise it, update it with something that meets the code

[22:50] that would be reviewed by staff and the chair and so if you would like to do that and you can.

[22:57] So in regards to time, is it better that we let the board give us a suggestion to what would be

[23:03] acceptable or is it better than we submit because I just don't want us to go on submit something that

[23:08] maybe isn't proper and it has to come back around. I think the answer is less is more and I would

[23:18] suggest you just have a quick meeting with staff just to kind of go over you know if you can hit the

[23:23] most minimal for safety and life possible that would speed any of any stipulation approval that

[23:33] would come through. Understood. Yeah. Perfect. And kind of what I'm hearing from staff and what I'm

[23:38] seeing on plan is that you're a little overlit right now. So everything's going to come down a

[23:43] little bit. So that means it comes down a little more so you can get that landscape lighting in

[23:46] it. I'm sorry. Okay. No problem. Well, that's good news. And that we wouldn't be moved to another

[23:53] formal review meeting like that. Yeah. Yeah. So far so good. So far so good. Thank you again.

[24:03] Any other questions from committee? Please. Unfortunately, one more sorry. So on that exact sheet right there, the garage door picture is white, but it says painted black mat.

[24:20] Yeah.

[24:21] Right.

[24:21] It should be blocked.

[24:22] I believe.

[24:22] Okay.

[24:23] I just want to make sure the renderings and the picture and what's happening.

[24:27] Yeah.

[24:27] I think I misspoke earlier.

[24:29] Yes.

[24:29] That is not black.

[24:31] Okay.

[24:31] And if we could go to the renderings.

[24:35] The render shows it as well.

[24:37] Yeah.

[24:37] Right.

[24:38] All of the glass looks like it's opaque white.

[24:40] Is it?

[24:41] Or is that just like, I have a blind down.

[24:45] I think it's.

[24:46] I have a blind.

[24:46] I should just be clear.

[24:47] glass. Okay.

[24:51] So it's not it's not a frosty glass. I was there. Okay. Thank you. All right.

[24:56] Thank you.

[25:00] Any other questions or comments from the committee? Well, I'd like to open it up for any members of

[25:06] the community. They're here to speak on this. Is there anybody here? Please come right up here and we'll

[25:12] Chair Mike.

[25:15] Good morning.

[25:23] My name is Ed Comets. I'm a neighbor to the west and I'm here with

[25:29] another neighbor to the west. This project has been a relative nightmare for the neighborhood.

[25:39] I'd like to pass some pictures around. The construction was originally done in gross

[25:49] non-compliance with any code requirements or community standards, the property is still

[25:58] not completely fenced off. The fencing has altered sheets around it. The property

[26:08] was essentially, I mean, I can't imagine this is a nice part of Paradise Valley, all areas

[26:17] are nice, but this is on basically the roadrunner area where there are a lot of new candle area homes being

[26:24] built, our house is a candle area home, and this home is an absolute isolate in the neighborhood.

[26:30] It's been like this for over two years. We've called to complain on multiple occasions.

[26:38] There were no outhouses on the property, and so the workers would come over to the desert behind

[26:43] our property which we own and go to the bathroom, bring toilet paper over there, they would go to the

[26:49] bathroom in the dumpsters on the property. If there were any problems with things fitting, for

[26:57] example, windows fitting, people would just start demolishing other parts, you know, the perimeter

[27:06] around the window to make sure that the windows fit. I think it's a dangerous property the way it

[27:12] it currently stands. At this point, I think everything should be planned out because there is a

[27:21] tendency, a great tendency not to comply or to do the least amount possible. Even the fencing

[27:29] around the property is an absolute eye sore. Multiple neighbors have complained. They've asked me to

[27:37] voice are concerns on behalf of the neighborhood, I think that if there is going to be a landscape

[27:44] plan, I would like to know what the landscape plan is. But at the same time, I understand

[27:51] the need to move this forward quickly because of what we've endured over the past couple

[27:57] of years. Their neighbors who have had their houses for sale, who have complained that their

[28:01] houses are probably going for less money because this house is such a complete

[28:06] eye-sour in the neighborhood.

[28:11] Thank you. Thank you for comments. Appreciate your

[28:14] patience on this. We see this from time to time so it's great to have neighbors

[28:19] come and speak up. Great. I appreciate it. Thank you. So if I can ask you

[28:23] questions? Yeah, sure. Absolutely. I'm hearing you want to

[28:27] done in compliance of the code and quickly. Well, it's been two years and it hasn't

[28:33] been up to code and the town is obviously not monitoring it even as it stands because

[28:39] the fencing issues and we've made complaints and we've not been responded to. So quickly

[28:45] is less important than in compliance but I feel like both the builder and the town have fallen

[28:51] out on the job here. Understood. Thank you.

[28:58] Okay. Anyone else to speak on this item? Feel free?

[29:01] if you'd like to come on, if you'll like everything said you need to have said.

[29:10] That's a tentacle term I think, but we totally get what you're saying.

[29:16] Well great.

[29:19] Any other questions or comments from committee?

[29:22] Yeah, I just like to comment. So, you know, we were brought in by the owner laid in the process

[29:32] to help facilitate getting the home through the hillside process and monitor construction

[29:41] throughout in order to ensure that it's fully and compliant with with all town

[29:51] of Paradise Valley regulations and the uniform building code that no shortcuts are going to be taken.

[30:00] From this point forward. We're an independent management group that will be overseeing, working with the general contractor and overseeing the final work that's done. So we can assure you from our perspective that the house is going to be followed incredibly closely to ensure that it isn't complete compliance

[30:29] with plans and specifications provided.

[30:36] Well, thank you.

[30:38] Just to be clear, any approval today

[30:42] would be based on your compliance.

[30:45] So once you're permitted and ready to move forward,

[30:48] you'll have to make rapid compliance with the health

[30:50] and safety concerns by the town and by the neighbors.

[30:54] So that would include fencing, security,

[30:56] policing and materials, you know,

[30:58] of health items such as portageons, et cetera.

[31:02] So that would have to happen quite rapidly

[31:04] with the permit, just so you know that's coming.

[31:07] Yeah, good.

[31:08] And I can add as well a few different things.

[31:10] So everyone of our jobs, I just homes when it's active

[31:13] has a full 24-7 surveillance camera in the front.

[31:17] So if someone's on the property, it has blinking lights,

[31:20] but go off as far as like red and blue

[31:21] to try to get to or anyone from trying to get in.

[31:23] In regards to the fencing, that's the third party company.

[31:25] So we'll be talking to them immediately,

[31:27] give them to fix that as far as the wind that kind of pulled the screen off.

[31:32] Screened only lasts for so long, but we apologize for that.

[31:36] We're not trying to not be in compliance.

[31:39] And in regards to building kind of things like that, we 100% will make sure the house is in compliance and done correctly.

[31:45] Thank you.

[31:46] So I have a follow-up question.

[31:48] Please.

[31:49] Given the statements, Mr. Schroeder, how long have you been involved with the project?

[31:55] Okay. Oh, since February. Okay. And Mr. Patterson. Since the beginning. Since the beginning.

[32:05] Yes, sir. So this project has been under your care system. Yeah, under Patterson. I'm just

[32:11] scared. Correct. So what's different now? In other words, why isn't there security now? Why isn't

[32:20] defense already prepared. So the fence that I don't know why the fence hasn't been

[32:25] repaired. So is it going to have all the management? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be managing

[32:29] over the top. So, okay, all right. Yeah, I'm sure that's done as far as like Porter Johnson

[32:34] like that. Every job site has that.

[32:38] Did this job site not have a port of potty? I believe

[32:42] it did at one point. And I believe it's not there now because the job has been vacant for

[32:47] a while.

[32:48] May I also add a camera before as well?

[32:54] So my recommendation is, as just a member of this committee, obviously we don't manage

[33:01] projects.

[33:02] We just approve plans and, but I would hope that the comments from the town and the affirmations

[33:11] of the applicant's representatives would be passed on to building and safety and that those

[33:18] Those who have the responsibility in the town to manage the project could get this information

[33:23] and make sure that they're on it.

[33:27] Yes, absolutely.

[33:29] So essentially, I think what they've been doing some interior work, typically when it's interior

[33:36] work, that's the building division, that's getting involved.

[33:40] So I will let them know to go out there and just make sure that the jobs take.

[33:46] The construction staging is done correctly, as part of our approvals, they will have to submit an updated construction staging plan.

[33:56] That's required for all of our applicants. Essentially, when they're doing interior work and it doesn't trigger any type of review or approval through a hillside, that's just through the building division.

[34:09] So we have not seen a construction staging plan, but once they submit permits, then we will review it.

[34:20] And that will go along with, before we get to that point, they'll have to comply with any stipulations that are added today as well.

[34:28] I

[34:32] notice the updated staging plan is not a stipulation now.

[34:35] No, that's standard. There's four items that are standard for us prior to issuance of permits.

[34:43] So it's the construction staging plan along with the assurance on the insurance and then also

[34:49] staking if there needs to be any staking for the underserved areas.

[34:56] So such comments don't need to be

[34:58] in the hillside group. They're already in the standard. Thank you. Stipulations. Thank you.

[35:06] I would it's not really within our scope to stipulate these things because they're part of the approval, although as a wood of because I actually, yeah, I've been statutory and I think that compliance is is already an effect and it doesn't really fit in our purview, but you've heard it from everybody so it's time to clean up the site.

[35:29] And I commissarate with the neighbors. I live hillside. I had a project two and a half years

[35:34] across the street for me. It's very frustrating because you know, traits come and go and things

[35:40] left open and it was a mess. But there's light at the end of the tunnel. It gets done. And eventually

[35:47] you'll have a new neighbor. So your patients has been appreciated. If there's no other questions or

[35:54] comments from committee, I might call for, actually I'd like to make a motion that we

[36:03] could discuss if everybody's ready. So I would move that we approve item 23281, the

[36:13] formal review for the major remodel to the single-family residence at 53, 55 East Desert Vista

[36:19] road with stipulations in the report 1-15 adding 3 more. 16 regarding lighting, recess

[36:31] can lighting shall be positioned so as not to wash any vertical surfaces, all lighting

[36:38] shall be reduced or revised so as not to exceed the 750 lumen count by reduction in fixture

[36:46] your account and orlumen output subject to approval by chair and staff and 17 no landscape

[36:55] lighting is approved with this application but minimal lighting as proposed as may be

[37:01] proposed shall be subject to approval and once submitted to staff and chair and 18 roof surface

[37:11] This shall be broadcast top-coded with an RLRB compliant material such as sand, rock, chip,

[37:16] or equivalent submission subject to approval by staff and share.

[37:23] I'll second that.

[37:25] Great.

[37:26] Any comments before we vote?

[37:28] Comment.

[37:29] Your lighting, I was trying to catch it all, it includes the scots, right?

[37:35] Yeah.

[37:36] So I meant all, all I should maybe just, so it was two part lighting recess can lighting should be

[37:43] positioned so as not to wash any vertical surfaces. And I put all lighting minimum like to revise

[37:49] it's all exterior lighting to be reduced or revised so as not to exceed 750 lumen count achieved by

[37:59] by reduction in fixture count and or aluminum out pit put,

[38:03] serving to approval by staff and chair.

[38:06] Thank you.

[38:08] Yeah, let's see.

[38:16] Making a note.

[38:18] All right, so I know the comments or questions.

[38:20] We'll call for the vote.

[38:22] All in favor, aye.

[38:23] Aye.

[38:24] Aye.

[38:25] Any opposed?

[38:27] We're hearing none.

[38:28] Congratulations.

[38:29] You're on the path to finish project.

[38:32] And thank you for coming in.

[38:35] Awesome.

[38:35] Thank you so much.

[38:36] You just saw everyone else. I already text a trade they're going there today to fix all the street and all that will be all take care of the day great

[38:42] Thank you very much, and thank you for getting this compliant

[38:52] Contact information

[38:53] Good idea

[39:00] Scott

[39:02] Yes, this is this this is Charles coming to

[39:04] I'm on the highway here in mid Missouri, my sister and I have been visiting all over the place.

[39:11] Very nice, can we all come visit?

[39:15] Family sedentary.

[39:17] Are you in and out of a little coverage?

[39:20] Well,

[39:23] so far, I think we can hear you now.

[39:32] Commissioner Covington, is it works for you to call my cellphone again?

[39:36] You're welcome to do so.

[39:37] We can put you on speaker.

[39:39] Okay, all right. Well, I'm here now. So I guess perfect. Thank you. Thank you. I think a moment to get organized for the next item agenda.

[39:51] Oh,

[39:57] and does it take for the time to give you all name plates?

[40:33] Yes, sure. You're there.

[40:35] Yeah.

[40:37] So let's really let's really let's really hope they don't misspell the names and other.

[40:48] Yeah.

[41:15] Yeah.

[41:29] Well, it goes.

[42:02] Oh, it's more powerful than I think.

[42:04] Okay. All right. If we'll get back to order here, we're ready for the next item on our agenda. I'm going to call item B 23280.

[42:15] This is a formal review for a new single family residence at 4275 East kind drive.

[42:22] Would you like to introduce this to us? Good morning, everyone.

[42:27] Like Scott had mentioned, this is our applicants can present in us a new

[42:35] construct of a two-story single-family home. Here is our aerial presentation of

[42:47] it will be our lot right here. And then our lot area right now for our location is

[42:58] 1.285 acres or 55,995 square feet near some of our renderings. This is what our current

[43:13] footprint. It looks like our

[43:18] allowable disturbed area for our project is 13,696 square feet are

[43:29] existing gross disturbed area for it is 2,612 square feet and our proposed net to meet our

[43:40] compliance is 13,000, 618 square feet.

[43:59] Our landscaping, our proposed landscaping meets all of our native vegetation needed for our area.

[44:10] And our land disturbance meets all of our criteria as well.

[44:15] the proposed grading and training is their proposing to

[44:22] in combination with the storm drain, 15 storm drain pipes.

[44:27] They want to include 24 inch catch basins to be drained in a

[44:32] surf, into our surface level basins to meet our, to meet our 100 year, to our

[44:41] historical rainfall events.

[44:52] Here's our grading and drainage plans.

[45:04] As well, the applicant is well completed for safety improvement plan for our project as well.

[45:18] Since this applicant will not require any sort of connection, they will be on a septic system. And all of their after fire marshal review, they've met all of our fire protection requirements as well.

[45:48] Our elevations are, they meet our height requirements as well.

[45:52] And their max height of 30 feet 4 inches is compliant with our 40 foot max allowable height

[46:03] for a hillside for

[46:14] the top chimney from our 12 foot cup from our finish floor.

[46:43] on

[46:53] the south elevations and

[47:25] our proposed home is also within the 24 foot offset of natural

[47:35] grade as well.

[47:50] Here are lighting materials, all

[47:58] of our lighting types have met our

[48:03] are loom and count and are in proper positioning

[48:06] for to meet our dark sky compliance as well.

[48:13] They're proposing 11 step lights for their pathways,

[48:19] 32 down lights for their covered spaces,

[48:24] favorite living spaces, three adjustable lights,

[48:28] and two linear strip lights as well.

[48:31] So I

[49:00] hear these are number three on our, on our plans, our downloads or our area.

[49:13] The number one is our one second key

[49:22] fast number one is our recess sliding for the, for

[49:30] home in

[49:42] these uplights are our number three's as shown. Yes.

[49:55] So number our number three's are being

[49:57] used as downloads for the area.

[50:12] Our tape light for which is our linear strips of being used.

[50:21] They meet our 1.4 watts per lineal foot in our 3.6 level.

[50:39] These are being used for our outdoor seating area right in this section right here

[51:03] are some

[51:12] more of our renderings to kind of give us a better idea of our outdoor living space.

[51:24] There's a pool area, our covered patios,

[51:38] and then over here is our courtyard with our

[51:40] downlights,

[51:56] and here's our materials list.

[52:03] We have our garage doors with translucent panels with framing to match metal 2, which

[52:16] are permeable driveway pavers, a cast and place concrete slabs,

[52:24] and then you can use wood

[52:24] seedling for the soffits.

[52:32] We have our fencing called out for the hillside as well which

[52:39] meets our 80% opening compliance.

[52:55] So here's our stone accents which meet our LRV compliance

[52:59] and their stucco finish as well.

[53:11] And that masonry rock for the outdoor space as well.

[53:18] using

[53:24] a ballast roof would still to be determined with their LRB to be no greater

[53:30] than 38 percent.

[54:08] Our computer is low so there's a lag and changing sheets, I'm

[54:13] sort of mentioning them.

[54:16] So here's our landscape lighting. They're including six

[54:21] path lights, mine, driveway, lights, and 13 accent lights as well. Those 13 accent lights

[54:32] will be used to be lighting our landscape, our trees.

[54:48] Here's our landscape plan with

[54:50] our native plants.

[54:57] And here's our landscape lighting plan. As mentioned here are our

[55:04] Triangles represent our landscape lighting for our trees, our native desert vegetation vegetation and

[55:14] our squares are for our driveway to light up our driveways and then

[55:26] these smaller triangles that are

[55:29] filling that are filled in our pathway lights for stepping our walkways and breezeways as well.

[55:35] So

[55:53] now we'd like to invite the applicant to join us for any additional comments or any presentation.

[56:00] Excellent. Thank you.

[56:20] Was not a box of donuts for us.

[56:24] That's time now.

[56:27] Donuts do not technically count as a gratuity.

[56:30] That works better over the police department.

[56:36] Thank you for having us here today.

[56:39] My name is Brent Kendall with Kindle Design Collaborative, Jeff Martin with Kindle Design Collaborative and the owner, Mike Dynan is sitting over on the side there.

[56:54] I will give as much or a little of a presentation as you would like.

[56:58] I know you saw this during our concept review we kind of go out of our way to make

[57:05] sure that pretty much we do a full submittal during our concept review so we've

[57:10] got really good comments from you then we got a few red lines from staff we

[57:16] picked up all of those we're closely with staff we made some lighting adjustments

[57:21] we had a couple lights that I think at one time we're in conformance but are

[57:26] no longer in conformance so but now everything is in conformance. You know this is a it's kind

[57:33] of an unusual site. I actually brought multiple potential buyers to this property because I wanted

[57:40] to build a house on this property. I just like how is this property sitting there? No one's built on

[57:44] it for so long because it's a really amazing property and it looked like it would be so easy

[57:49] to build on and you know we've done a lot of whole site. I should know there are no easy

[57:54] side lots to build on. It's basically a bull, you know, it kind of drops from the road. So

[58:00] pretty much everything that we are building is below the road. And because it's kind of a

[58:07] bull, it created some interesting challenges from a from a Heistam plain. And we're definitely,

[58:14] we've had to dig into the side of the hill. I mean, I think this house is kind of the epitome of

[58:20] what the hillside is striving for,

[58:22] kind of integrating the home into the hillside,

[58:24] making a part of the landscape.

[58:27] We've used natural materials.

[58:31] What we have them here,

[58:34] if you're interested in the payvers

[58:37] are basically similar color to the natural desert.

[58:41] The block is a custom-grieve.

[58:46] I don't think it's custom anymore.

[58:47] It used to be custom in that

[58:49] it does, it has just the black fleck in it and it's a, so it's a nice warm gray. Stucco is a smooth

[58:57] colored stucco. We have a little bit of access with the black metal which I believe we're

[59:03] added since our last meeting. So we've actually, I think we've kind of improved the three-dimensionality,

[59:12] if you will, of the home through accending the center part with the black metal and a

[59:19] little bit of stone from the fireplace that is sticking out in the corner.

[59:25] I know that it looks like we have some grass in the backyard that is turf, if you know

[59:32] that you like turf, and we like maintaining turf better than grass too, so that's a good

[59:38] thing.

[59:41] I guess if there's any questions that you have, I'd be glad to answer them.

[59:46] Well, great. I do have a couple and thank you for being here and if you want to

[59:50] display some materials while we talk. Sure.

[59:52] It's always a fun thing to learn what everybody's using.

[1:00:00] I just had a quick question and thank you for being so ten of us, especially since it's the last last review. I think you had everything we talked about. Question on the pool surface. Are you thinking a darker inner surface? What's kind of the plan just generally?

[1:00:22] that's a very good question.

[1:00:27] I'm not sure that the cool surface, do we have a

[1:00:30] cool surface called that? I don't recall. It's nice. It's just a concrete

[1:00:34] bit on these lines around. Okay. But as far as like a pebble sheen or pebble

[1:00:39] ten. Yeah, we didn't call that out. Yeah. It would, we would want it to be darker so

[1:00:44] that it did not, you know, we're not looking for that palm springs. I'm cool. Great.

[1:00:50] When the dark look, it's a good calming there.

[1:00:55] I don't think it's specified that.

[1:00:57] That's going to be very, very small way.

[1:00:59] Where does this go?

[1:01:00] I'm put those on the phone.

[1:01:01] I'm holding up the light wood.

[1:01:04] That's the ceiling.

[1:01:06] Ah, slowly on the other side.

[1:01:08] I can only see that if you're in the dark pool.

[1:01:13] In nice material.

[1:01:14] Will it be colorizing?

[1:01:17] The, no.

[1:01:18] No, no, it would get a little, you were on it.

[1:01:21] I think it'll, that's one piece, it'll vary from that.

[1:01:25] It'll be, if you've seen the pictures that we have

[1:01:29] of other projects we've done with it,

[1:01:31] it'll have some variation.

[1:01:33] So I want to question.

[1:01:34] I got a question that ties into this piece of glass

[1:01:38] that I'm holding up for those on the phone.

[1:01:42] The garage door looked like it was reflective.

[1:01:45] And now this piece of glass,

[1:01:47] and it could just be the rendering, and this piece of glass says right on it need to swap out

[1:01:52] non-reflective glass question mark. The glass potty is a translucent, so it is where this is

[1:02:02] clear glass for the windows, you know. Okay.

[1:02:10] So you won't be able to see it. Right, but it's not going

[1:02:16] to be hugely reflective or is it up again?

[1:02:19] Oh, it won't be reflective at all.

[1:02:21] And it's hatched if you look at it,

[1:02:23] some of my shoes didn't fall on the good scraps.

[1:02:26] And we haven't built everything, right?

[1:02:30] We look at these papers.

[1:02:35] So yes, you can see how we had the terrace down

[1:02:38] and just to get to where the garages are.

[1:02:40] So they're really kind of internal in focus.

[1:02:43] So this is basically a prostate glass door

[1:02:46] across the glass door and front entry door across the glass for a privacy standpoint but all

[1:02:54] the rest of the glass on the house is clear and we like glass to be as non-reflective and it's

[1:03:01] clear it's possible because for the sake of the homeowner to look out and see the landscape

[1:03:06] and have it be the same color as it is in nature as opposed to like learning how to dress things.

[1:03:17] those those garage doors are kind of down in the bowl so they are yeah literally

[1:03:24] so this is this is just I know just some of the Jeff I think this is just some

[1:03:31] of the screen walls just the fence that which is an oxidized finish that's

[1:03:36] the only place that oh on that yeah so it's not even it's not a sheet like right so

[1:03:42] there's a stick and then that's your fencing around there so it's all pretty

[1:03:47] much this appearance of landscape and kind of for us and being at home.

[1:03:54] I have another question

[1:03:56] and I'm not sure this is in our preview but I care a lot about this. Is there a fence around

[1:04:01] the pool or how is the pool protected? It's required. Yes. That's why I was it's hard to see in a

[1:04:09] rendering that was kind of the whole point. I'm not if you go to the site

[1:04:13] and find a set.

[1:04:16] There's a, are you see it?

[1:04:18] I see. I see. Thank you.

[1:04:23] Just text me. That is once the natural plant material grows up

[1:04:27] and so forth, it just disappears. Understood. Thank you.

[1:04:32] Great. Really nice material palette. I have two questions on that.

[1:04:37] You can get to the right sheet. So just in the

[1:04:40] rendering she can kind of see there's there's a bit of ceiling under the

[1:04:46] soft it looks like it's interior coming interior color coming in and out yeah

[1:04:51] is that what's being proposed that's what we would like to propose I believe

[1:04:55] we're actually showing it though it's the the darker color okay so we've done

[1:05:01] that in the past and you've approved it in the past with with a lighter ceiling

[1:05:05] coming up that yeah but we're showing the darker color on this. Yeah I think for the most part

[1:05:11] because a little lay of the land we can almost consider that just an accent color because it's

[1:05:16] I don't think I don't think it's visible so if you're at street level say McDonald looking back

[1:05:22] you're you're you're actually kind of a little bit higher than this house so I don't see an issue

[1:05:28] with it but I'd like to just bring it to the committees attend. If we were able if we were allowed to

[1:05:34] to continue the interior painted surface, extended to the exterior knowing that it would

[1:05:43] exceed the LRB if I understand what you're saying, which we again we've done before in

[1:05:48] several hillside homes, it's under kind of cover where you don't see it, if that's something

[1:05:55] you're offering where you would.

[1:05:56] Well, I thought we'd bring it out to discussion for committee so that there wasn't a field

[1:06:01] change where you do one thing and then have to fix it so we try to get ahead of it. So I'll just

[1:06:08] put it out for a committee to talk about. And then once you go ahead and then I've got one more

[1:06:13] item. My quick question is what's below that house. So who would be seeing that?

[1:06:22] Go to the map. I think those homes are closer to McDonald's and all of a

[1:06:27] back down there, but they tend to face Macdonald.

[1:06:31] There is a whole good.

[1:06:32] So this home is actually pretty elevated.

[1:06:36] This house is actually off where our house is playing

[1:06:39] to sit, kind of went out of our way

[1:06:42] to try and stream that house.

[1:06:45] Our view is across this way.

[1:06:47] So there is a home down here that looks like a bull

[1:06:56] That

[1:07:00] helps. Thank you. So I thought we could discuss that because it's just something

[1:07:06] that would avoid any confusion. And then let's sheet a 6.0, which is at the lighting

[1:07:17] I just have one section of lighting I need to ask about because I don't get to it here.

[1:07:27] So there's patio area right in the left elevation or a plan drawing and you can see there's

[1:07:36] like an outdoor dining table and then there's a row of can lights that extend kind of all

[1:07:41] the way across.

[1:07:42] they're a little close to the to the vertical surface. Yeah, please. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:07:52] That dash line is the roof of that area. Okay. And this is actually the balcony.

[1:07:59] Okay. All right. That's good. It comes out all the way. Thank you.

[1:08:04] Rock the lights out over that for opposing dining. I got it. We only have that much

[1:08:09] Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. That clarifies it. I wasn't quite sure I saw in plan. So thank you.

[1:08:15] Thank you.

[1:08:17] Well, those are my comments and thank you for ballasting that roof.

[1:08:22] Everybody. Thank you. Southwest Air Flight 153. Thank you. Everybody likes it. So thanks.

[1:08:29] I'll open it up for a comment and committee members.

[1:08:32] So back to the exterior soft. It's a mixed in of wood and stuff. Yes, or drywall. Right. Right. And the drywall needs LV. It does currently. If if the chairman was offering that we might accept that otherwise, we might take advantage of that.

[1:09:01] I think that's accurate. I just not necessarily an offer, just clarity so that we don't get

[1:09:07] surprised. And we've had situations where that hasn't been entirely clear in plan. And

[1:09:13] we've had to come back and deal with it. Nobody's happy at that point. So if we could retain

[1:09:19] it to every compliant that's that's the perfect world. Okay, and then my question would be going to

[1:09:26] you know, I know we'll have a latter finish and over time it will, this is the way it's not

[1:09:34] going to be left natural, you're going to hit it with something, right? It's going to be,

[1:09:40] but you don't get a clear clear. And is there an issue with that if that doesn't meet LRV

[1:09:49] That's the question.

[1:09:51] There would be a change to it or anything.

[1:09:53] I would think it would.

[1:09:55] From just from my perspective,

[1:10:00] a natural material is beneficial in that it will just naturally darken over time.

[1:10:07] It's basically for the most part non reflective.

[1:10:11] And you know,

[1:10:12] if it is marginally above LRB,

[1:10:15] I would consider an accent.

[1:10:17] This is my opinion because I think that there's not a lot of it and

[1:10:22] Visually be nice to look at a natural material from below. So it's my thought

[1:10:26] And this is probably a deceiving piece because it's so light and when you look at

[1:10:31] Yeah, yeah, it's not I know you're familiar with Scoons house, which well if you can see the picture up here

[1:10:38] I mean, this is the Hellside home and you can see how much variation there is

[1:10:43] Right, right

[1:10:47] And also, kind of how much darker it looks than this.

[1:10:51] Yeah, I give it one summer.

[1:10:54] Right, especially like last summer, it'll be dark brown.

[1:11:01] And then just a compliance question on, you know,

[1:11:05] thank you for over-retaining the runoff.

[1:11:09] Looks like you exceeded that.

[1:11:10] But could you just direct me to where the storage tanks are because I'm seeing how many

[1:11:19] do you have on this site?

[1:11:21] There's just one and it's near the pool.

[1:11:25] That's what I thought.

[1:11:26] It says storage tank but underground and I just want to, is it, should be able to go

[1:11:33] there?

[1:11:34] I'm looking at it right now and it looks like it's actually, is it under the pool?

[1:11:39] No, no it's sad.

[1:11:41] Right here.

[1:11:42] This is where the water is.

[1:11:43] Oh,

[1:11:46] so pool is here.

[1:11:48] It's in a pool of back.

[1:11:49] And this is sitting underneath it basically below it kind of.

[1:11:53] Oh, right.

[1:11:54] You see below it like down.

[1:11:55] Downs down.

[1:11:56] Downs down.

[1:11:56] Yeah, right.

[1:11:57] Downs down.

[1:11:58] Okay.

[1:11:58] Downs.

[1:11:59] Good way.

[1:12:00] You see it there.

[1:12:00] Great.

[1:12:02] How fun putting that in.

[1:12:04] That's a big thing.

[1:12:05] First thing to go.

[1:12:06] Yeah.

[1:12:07] And then naturally veging or is you just, you're just not touching the undisturbed area, you're not going to do anything to it.

[1:12:15] It's just going to be like a certain area staying undisturbed and where we're re-veging, we're basically re-veging back to natural desert.

[1:12:23] Okay, last question would be the famous fencing of the pool.

[1:12:29] It goes further around the house, then probably it needs to protect those from the pool.

[1:12:37] Give us the strategy around that.

[1:12:40] The pool follows what we try to do to limit disturbance to that was another consideration

[1:12:46] is from a point out, it follows the drain lines for the underground storage, so we can

[1:12:54] and per additional additional disturbance.

[1:12:57] We thought maybe that was a smart tactic

[1:12:59] to try to limit our site disturbance.

[1:13:02] So we used that as a part of our fence line.

[1:13:07] And I actually don't think,

[1:13:10] I mean other than coming out a little bit of a distance,

[1:13:14] we have to connect back somewhere and I believe,

[1:13:18] I don't know if the landscape plan

[1:13:19] be a better plan to look at for the site plan shows

[1:13:27] I

[1:13:31] guess it was, you know, having a gate into the pool area versus having every door of the house accessible to the pool area. That's the question.

[1:13:42] And is there some other concern that I'm just going to go on.

[1:13:48] So are you asking for compliance or safety?

[1:13:50] Yeah, I was trying to make sure that from staff's point of view, this, I know it meets

[1:13:55] compliance to keep people out of the pool, but does it meet compliance when we juxtapose

[1:13:59] it to other applications that we've had questions around the pool offense perimeter of the pool.

[1:14:05] I'm just trying to make sure that we're in the in the fairway.

[1:14:09] Yeah.

[1:14:09] Yeah, this is something that usually always comes up and we, we try to press the applicants

[1:14:17] to do the most minimum in this case.

[1:14:23] We worked with them and this is what they are proposing, I'm not sure if in the initial

[1:14:29] concept they had more.

[1:14:33] It's number eight on your list of documents.

[1:14:36] So,

[1:14:48] essentially, this is our outdoor area with the pool, and we're basically taking the

[1:14:55] as I'm saying, just around that area of that.

[1:15:01] It would be, I guess it would be challenging to find a better place to terminate it, to terminate it, and again, it's understanding that you want to minimize the impact visually of fencing around the pool, just going to the sticks in the desert. We have a picture of it in our.

[1:15:24] you did. It was a piece of it in. I think we have a detail of that because it just disappears

[1:15:36] into the natural events. So what's it? So what I'm getting out of this answer is this setting of

[1:15:44] the fence outside of the following the lines of drainage is going to create the least amount of impact

[1:15:54] visually. We believe so. Yeah. Then the topography falls a little bit from that too. We're

[1:16:02] looking at two four. Yeah. It drops down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's back up and meets the

[1:16:09] house basically.

[1:16:13] Thank you.

[1:16:17] Well, thank you. Yeah, please go ahead. This Charles,

[1:16:22] regarding the fence, it's the code is five feet above the adjacent grade. Is that right? Yes.

[1:16:28] Okay. So as the topography, as the ground slopes, the fence would slow.

[1:16:35] Yeah, the fence sort of recedes even though it's still compliant for height and a similar situation on my site.

[1:16:43] Yeah, my house too. My house is used.

[1:16:46] Okay. Thank you.

[1:16:47] In fact, the top of it is purposely uneven.

[1:16:51] So it looks more like an octetio fence.

[1:16:53] Yes.

[1:16:54] If you do see it, we're the lowest bars by the, yes, yeah.

[1:17:01] Thank you.

[1:17:02] Any other questions or comments from committee?

[1:17:06] Anyone here from the community?

[1:17:08] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:17:09] I was just curious.

[1:17:10] This is Charles again.

[1:17:11] Oh, Charles.

[1:17:12] Yeah, I just wanted to say I agree with what was said about keeping the LRB value of that

[1:17:17] soft supply.

[1:17:19] All right.

[1:17:20] Good.

[1:17:22] Sorry.

[1:17:22] to get your hopes up.

[1:17:25] I thought you were making an offer there.

[1:17:27] I just wanted to make sure we're on the same place.

[1:17:31] So just to finish this conversation about the fence,

[1:17:35] if the Housing Committee would like to ask the applicant

[1:17:40] to make reductions for

[1:17:42] change the shape of where the fence is,

[1:17:45] that is something that we discussed previously,

[1:17:48] the applicant and I.

[1:17:50] We pressed them to do the most minimum

[1:17:51] and then, once it's been into the committee, the committee can then add their comments

[1:17:57] and then add it as stipulation as well.

[1:18:01] I think we've discussed it well.

[1:18:03] I mean, my opinion and the committee members are pleased to speak up,

[1:18:08] but I think that the placement is reasonable given the topography of the land

[1:18:13] and actually makes it less visible.

[1:18:15] If we moved it up closer, we'd actually gain more visibility on offense.

[1:18:23] So with the falling topography, having it pulled out a little bit, we'd actually make

[1:18:28] it look less impactful on the hillside, in my opinion.

[1:18:32] I agree.

[1:18:33] Yeah, I would agree too, Scott.

[1:18:35] I think I like the concept of where they're going and with that in mind, less is more as

[1:18:42] you like to send in.

[1:18:44] Excellent. Thanks.

[1:18:47] Well, there's no other questions or comments when you see if there's

[1:18:49] anybody from the community would like to speak or ask any questions about this application.

[1:18:57] Quiet. No torches or pitchforks. That's a good sign.

[1:19:02] Yes, please. So now that we have established

[1:19:05] where the fence is and likely going to be on your landscape plan along that fence, it looks

[1:19:11] It's like you have a plant called Encelia.

[1:19:17] What is that?

[1:19:18] Brittle bush.

[1:19:19] Brittle bush.

[1:19:20] Yeah.

[1:19:22] The way it looks is that it will kind of be near the fence in certain locations.

[1:19:31] And that maybe is like three feet.

[1:19:33] Something like a brittle bush.

[1:19:34] Well, it's like the brittle bush in my yard.

[1:19:37] It'll be through the fence.

[1:19:38] So it'll be on the edge of the fence.

[1:19:39] So the intent is to soften, like the fence itself with the brittle edge, I would almost guarantee that in, you know, two years after this house has built in a landscape that comes back, you won't probably know there's a fence there.

[1:19:56] Yeah, there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven on one elevation alone.

[1:20:01] Thank you.

[1:20:02] So I would just say the closer you can get those to the fence, I know they're going to be about.

[1:20:08] Okay.

[1:20:09] That would be great.

[1:20:10] Yeah.

[1:20:11] That's a comment.

[1:20:12] Not a requirement.

[1:20:14] Right.

[1:20:17] Well, I'd like to make a motion.

[1:20:19] If everybody's ready.

[1:20:21] That we would approve item B23280.

[1:20:26] This is for the new single-family residence at 4275 East Keim Drive.

[1:20:30] with the report stipulations 1 through 15, with one additional stipulation, and that would be

[1:20:38] a pool surface and tile to be submitted for approval subject, excuse me, pool surface and tile

[1:20:46] to be submitted subject to approval by staff and chair. Second, okay. Any comments or questions before

[1:20:55] All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations. Thank you for a nice application. Can't wait to see the house. Congratulations. Yeah. Great. Great design.

[1:21:16] All

[1:21:19] right, one more left.

[1:21:24] We've got about 30 minutes with our commissioner here. So we'll see if we can get through it.

[1:21:31] One moment, please.

[1:21:46] Thank you for bringing the actual material here. Welcome. Yeah.

[1:21:50] It's just the best way to do it. Let me talk questions and it does. Yeah, it really does.

[1:21:58] Yeah, there's a lot of the logs, but it's a good work out.

[1:22:42] That lot's been there a long time.

[1:22:56] It's going to take a moment to get organized. Please stand by.

[1:24:25] No, we

[1:24:35] just did. It's a little arduous. We're dealing with joy of blowing.

[1:24:51] We're still in session, we're just taking a quick break to set a few things up right back.

[1:25:29] Pick seats.

[1:25:30] We're going to get back to our session here this morning.

[1:25:33] we have one more item on the reports and that is C23282. This is the formal review for a new

[1:25:43] single-family residence. The address is 7090 North Invergordon Road. Welcome back to the show.

[1:25:54] All right, so this is 7090 North Invergordon Road. This has a lot of history to it.

[1:26:03] which states back to the fifties and even then afterwards a lot of litigation that occurred.

[1:26:12] In essence, the most recent legal agreement occurred, this is known as one of the

[1:26:22] Donald whole lots. The Donald whole family owned a lot of the lots that were at this ridge.

[1:26:29] The most recent legal agreement, as I mentioned, is the 2002 Donahoe partial judgment and the 2002 stipulated judgment.

[1:26:40] Judgments basically provided modifications to the hillside guidelines in order to be able to develop on these parcels.

[1:26:49] Otherwise, there was going to be a lot of variances that would have to be sought out.

[1:26:53] Essentially, there was some foresight in too.

[1:26:56] So the town at the time having a lot of restrictions and then potentially moving forward, having

[1:27:05] a lot of legal push back from not just the town, but potentially the adjacent neighbors

[1:27:10] in terms of how they were developed.

[1:27:12] In addition, there is this top lot parcel or the town owned parcel, which is kind of an

[1:27:21] island here.

[1:27:21] There was a ridge at one point and as I recall,

[1:27:29] the one point a home was going to be placed

[1:27:32] on that flat in the area, part of the litigation that occurred with the town is that once this

[1:27:41] parcel was developed, the agreement is that this top parcel will be restored.

[1:27:48] that's to be agreed upon with the town. That is one of the stipulations and it is also, as I mentioned, part of the legal document or legal agreement that occurred.

[1:27:58] So the town essentially owns this top lot area in some of the legal language. It's called the top lot. It's really called the town owned parcel.

[1:28:10] So forgive me if I call it the top lot.

[1:28:12] but is the town on parcel. And that agreement into how it will be restored, as I mentioned,

[1:28:22] will occur with staff. This is as building progresses as they dig up this area.

[1:28:32] The town will come to an agreement on how we want this restored.

[1:28:38] The legal document mentions that the applicant may place the Earth from that cutout or pad area onto the lot and doesn't stipulate that they have to.

[1:28:51] In this case, their plans or the conversation we've had with them is that they would like to place some of the soil up top.

[1:29:00] The judgment also had a stipulation on pad placement and so they were, they're very limited

[1:29:11] in where they could place the home.

[1:29:15] Essentially, they were given two options for a driveway.

[1:29:21] A driveway that could be constructed from the west side or the east side.

[1:29:28] In this case, the west side was a shorter run, so this is where they decided to place the driveway.

[1:29:37] What the applicant is proposing is an 8,951 square foot home with a basement, a walk out basement area.

[1:29:53] The lot is 5.781 acres or 251 square feet.

[1:30:00] The area under the roof for this property is going to be 12,000 square feet. Not all of it is

[1:30:07] level area, as I mentioned, only 8,000 is level one. And then the building site slope is 64%

[1:30:17] on average. That means that the allowable disturbed area is 18,987 square feet. There is an

[1:30:27] existing gross disturbed area and that's also because the lot extends on both sides of this

[1:30:35] private road. So that's part of the disturbance in addition to the disturbance that occurred

[1:30:42] because of this grading or a legal grading that occurred in the past. So that's 38,399 square feet

[1:30:52] as I mentioned, their proposed net distribute area is 24,400 and as I mentioned the allowed

[1:31:01] is 18,900 so they will be bringing this into compliance very much so close to compliance

[1:31:13] but obviously still not in compliance.

[1:31:18] In essence, because of the existing rows, that's 38,000.

[1:31:22] They will be in compliance with our hillside code.

[1:31:28] In the report, you will find the several stipulated judgments.

[1:31:36] I'm sorry, the stipulated judgments that specifically modify or diverge from our hillside code.

[1:31:44] And so, as I go through the plans, I will mention those as well.

[1:31:51] I'm sorry. Can I ask if there's a stipulated judgment and a whole site code, which one rules?

[1:32:00] So in essence, in this case, it was the stipulated judgment that rules and it's only for these particular sections of the code that the stipulated judgment rules.

[1:32:15] Thank you.

[1:32:19] So in this site view, you can see the three different layers of how they are designing the home.

[1:32:34] You can see the upper layer or the upper level of this is going to be this blue.

[1:32:39] That's the main top section of the home in this red area.

[1:32:47] You'll see the main level.

[1:32:49] this extends to what they kind of called out a guest house or casita. It is tied to the home so it's not a separate building in and of itself.

[1:33:00] And then on the green you'll see the outline of the lowest level and that encompasses this outdoor pool area.

[1:33:10] What is outlined is just the building outline in and of itself.

[1:33:14] these

[1:33:20] are photographs of the site and what that looks like. You can see here,

[1:33:29] there's a tiny little

[1:33:30] person on the left-hand side on the right, you'll see that's what the top block or the town-owned

[1:33:39] parcel, and then you'll see on

[1:33:44] this side you can see that area that they just dumped Earth over to,

[1:33:50] And so that will be where the home is going to be placed in this particular area.

[1:33:58] So you won't see a lot of it from this side.

[1:34:06] This is the rendering that the applicant provided as well.

[1:34:09] So this is the current state of what that site looks like.

[1:34:14] And then on the right hand side, you'll see where they are proposing the home.

[1:34:18] In this particular rendering, they don't show what the restored town on parcel looks like.

[1:34:28] They've kept it in place as what it is currently, so that will change as well.

[1:34:40] This is a 3D view of what the home will look like.

[1:34:44] As I mentioned, it is broken into three different levels.

[1:34:49] In

[1:34:58] terms of the overall height, our code has a specification of 50 feet for the overall

[1:35:05] height.

[1:35:06] The judgment supersedes the code and it has a maximum of 50 feet as well.

[1:35:20] In addition to that,

[1:35:23] our code has a guideline or a regulation for, they call it the mountain

[1:35:32] profile in volatile. And so that is a 20 degree from the ridge that the home has to be sunk in

[1:35:40] below. In this stipulated judgment, it stated that that is to be superseded at the 17, 25

[1:35:50] foot contour line. And it should angle at 15 degrees. So that is another thing that they need.

[1:36:05] And so

[1:36:06] you're saying it complies with the stipulated judgment, but it's slightly off of what otherwise

[1:36:12] we would allow. It complies with both. So yeah, in essence, what the what the code calls for is

[1:36:20] 20 degrees, what the stipulated judgment is 15 degrees. In essence, it gives them a little more leeway

[1:36:25] to build on here. You can see this line is the 20 degrees. In essence, the 15 would be approximately

[1:36:34] in this area. So what they're showing is what our code allows for and so it is

[1:36:41] compliance not only with the stipulated judgment which gives them more leeway

[1:36:45] but also with our town code. Thank you. And this is Charles Covington. Could I

[1:36:53] just ask, we are holding this application to the current code, correct?

[1:36:58] Correct. Okay, not some code that existed years ago when they're trying. Okay.

[1:37:03] All right, all right. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:37:21] Okay, so here's another view of that 48-2-inch height that they are proposing as I mentioned,

[1:37:30] it's a 50-foot height overall that they are allowed.

[1:37:45] Now, this is a section cut of the home.

[1:37:49] They also comply with the 24-foot height from natural grade and you can see this orange line

[1:37:57] is what that is calling out for.

[1:38:02] Not only did they comply with the 24-foot height standard,

[1:38:07] but in essence, the casino,

[1:38:09] which typically would be an accessory structure

[1:38:12] when it is detached.

[1:38:13] In this case, it is attached to the home.

[1:38:15] We wouldn't consider it an accessory structure,

[1:38:19] but they also complied with our height limitations

[1:38:22] for accessory structures, which are 16 feet.

[1:38:27] So in the rendering, you can kind of see it as amassing that kind

[1:38:38] of stands out a little

[1:38:39] bit.

[1:38:39] It is pushed forward.

[1:38:41] And so when we're having discussions and reviewing it, I mentioned to the applicant,

[1:38:47] this wouldn't be considered a d-chatch structure as it is attached to the home.

[1:38:51] It's pretty much separated by this kind of breezeway walkway on this second level or the middle level.

[1:39:02] And so it is connected underneath to this basement area.

[1:39:07] And so it is part of the home. However, they nonetheless met the code of our accessory structure

[1:39:14] and that's what's shown in this section here.

[1:39:17] In

[1:39:29] addition to that, I will add the height that our code allows is 30 feet with the stipulated

[1:39:38] judgment cause out for is 40 feet.

[1:39:45] And so in this area right here,

[1:40:10] as I'm saying, I don't think it's on this one.

[1:40:45] As I mentioned, the judgment also called out for the building pad.

[1:40:49] So this is what is shown on this area right here.

[1:41:20] So this is the cut that is shown and so it

[1:41:26] starts at approximately the 1662 and then it goes all the way up to the

[1:41:39] 1690.

[1:41:46] So it meets the

[1:41:48] stipulated judgment of overall 40 maximum.

[1:42:02] This is part of their lighting that they are proposing.

[1:42:06] They are proposing three wall-mounted sconces total.

[1:42:15] It is within our LRV requirement of 400.

[1:42:21] Our code asks or stipulates that any lighting you shouldn't see the light source from.

[1:42:31] In this case, the light source is from the top, but the design of this wall sconce almost

[1:42:38] makes the scene as if the lighting is coming from in here.

[1:42:41] We did check the spec sheet for this light from the manufacturer, so it is coming from below.

[1:42:53] But in this rendering, it almost makes the scene as if you can see the light source, which

[1:42:57] is not the case.

[1:42:59] So that's something that we spoke to the applicant about.

[1:43:03] We had already reviewed it and so that's something just to know.

[1:43:08] Most of their other lighting for the building itself is going to come from this recess lighting.

[1:43:15] There's 30 fixtures overall.

[1:43:18] This is where they have them in their lower section.

[1:43:23] this is the covered patio area which is the walk out basement and then you can see them very

[1:43:31] minimally within their main level and

[1:43:38] at the highest level which

[1:43:43] is here.

[1:43:50] Another thing to note

[1:43:51] is that as you know within Hillside there is there three stories sort of third story developments

[1:43:59] are not allowed. What the applicant proposed is this basement and so they had to show proof

[1:44:05] that in meets our basement requirement.

[1:44:10] This is what the applicant was able to provide to us

[1:44:13] in essence showing that most of this third level or sub-level is basement. It is a basement

[1:44:22] walk out but in essence most of it is beneath the earth so this is what that

[1:44:30] rendering is showing and then this is the site view or the plan view of that

[1:44:36] basement so that hatched area is the area that's basically underneath the

[1:44:43] earth you can see where it is visible in these other areas but in essence they

[1:44:50] and you prove that it is a basement.

[1:45:02] These are the materials that the applicant is proposing. So the ballot is very neutral. It's mostly

[1:45:11] grays, as you can see, and they do have this wood oak planking for soft bits. That's the

[1:45:21] only material that is not a gray or a black tone. And then, as I mentioned, the main color

[1:45:32] for the home is going to be gray as well. And it does meet our LRV requirements.

[1:45:46] No, I'm sorry that the poor code is just on the radio.

[1:45:49] This right here, yep.

[1:46:07] In terms of their fire access, we did reach out to a fire. They are proposing

[1:46:15] this area right here.

[1:46:19] As I mentioned, it is on a private road. In essence,

[1:46:24] currently what they have submitted for our fire marshal meets our fire code. This drive way area on this side that was expanded.

[1:46:37] Potentially might not be needed. That's something that as they progressed in building reviews will need to be engineered if it is needed after all.

[1:46:50] But currently, their plan, as I mentioned this meter of fire marshal standards in

[1:47:11] terms of their landscape plan.

[1:47:13] They are showing native plants, native vegetation.

[1:47:20] It is pretty minimal with their doing on site. And so you can see that here in this area,

[1:47:32] there's not a lot of.

[1:47:33] of not a lot to vegetate

[1:47:36] when you don't have an extensive area

[1:47:38] of outdoor area that is contained within the home.

[1:47:42] So in this case, a lot of the vegetation

[1:47:46] is along their driveway area

[1:47:49] which helps to also cover up that cut

[1:47:52] that will be created for the driveway.

[1:47:54] The driveway was also, or the cut

[1:47:57] for the driveway was also in a stipulation as well.

[1:48:00] Part of that stipulation

[1:48:01] that call out for landscaping to be in that area as well, which is what they show here.

[1:48:10] This is their lighting plan, so they are showing some uplights mainly in the driveway area

[1:48:20] to be uplighting these trees, and then the rest of their lighting is mostly pathlights,

[1:48:27] which you can see here.

[1:48:28] And

[1:48:33] this path light that is recessed, it is facing up, it is capped and so it won't

[1:48:41] be washing up any walls.

[1:48:57] In terms of sewer, there is no public sewer available near this vicinity.

[1:49:03] So a septic system will be required.

[1:49:11] A full safety improvement plan she was submitted.

[1:49:15] There was no comments that were received.

[1:49:20] This is a fairly complicated development that will be occurring.

[1:49:26] So as the applicant progresses into building plan check, additional grading and drainage

[1:49:35] materials may be required, not only for the development of the parcel itself, but also

[1:49:42] for the town own parcel.

[1:49:44] So those are part of the different stipulations that were added to the report as well.

[1:49:54] So at this point, I will conclude my presentation, and if the applicant can join us.

[1:50:01] Good morning.

[1:50:02] Welcome.

[1:50:02] Come on up.

[1:50:07] Sorry.

[1:50:09] We'll miss you.

[1:50:11] And I'll.

[1:50:11] Thank you.

[1:50:12] Thank you.

[1:50:14] Hi.

[1:50:14] I'm Lindsay with Column Homes.

[1:50:16] I'm one of the owners of the company and the architect for the project.

[1:50:21] I'm Daniel Marshall. I'm a project architect.

[1:50:25] I'll also note that our homeowner, Caitlin Salume, is on via Zoom.

[1:50:29] Excellent. Thank you.

[1:50:32] Well, thanks for being here. This nice simple little project.

[1:50:36] Yes, very simple.

[1:50:37] I'm planning it all.

[1:50:38] I have some questions I'm going to direct to staff

[1:50:41] just to get started just so I understand.

[1:50:44] So the what we'll call the top lot,

[1:50:48] which for my entire life I've wondered

[1:50:51] Why that's there and you just asked my parents if it was like an active volcano

[1:50:56] and no relation to the risk amount. That's to be restored by the town or to be restored by the

[1:51:08] applicant with approval by the town. It's supposed to be a partnership and so the town is supposed to

[1:51:15] direct. Once the applicant gives us a proposal, then we will review it and then figure out the best way to restore it. But in

[1:51:24] essence, it's the applicant that will be proposing that, especially because within the stipulated judgment, it mentions that that film may be placed on the

[1:51:34] the town on parcel. And so stabilizing that and making it conform to the code would be something

[1:51:40] that we would review, but the applicant would propose. Okay, it makes sense. And just not

[1:51:47] pursuant to this application, but would Hillside be involved in that at all?

[1:51:52] The stipulated judgment asks that as a staff. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. They mentioned the town.

[1:51:58] Okay. So the committee can gripe it to the town if we don't want it.

[1:52:04] Awesome. I just have a couple of questions that I'll ask and thank you for your

[1:52:10] presentation and for bringing the materials today.

[1:52:17] And let me ask one more thing

[1:52:19] this time. I looked in the report stipulations. I don't see anything about

[1:52:23] treatment for cut. Usually we can standard step that. Would that be something we'd

[1:52:29] need to address? That's something that we could definitely add. Okay, as well.

[1:52:33] Is there any plans to treat that cut with the E&I or similar or what were you thinking?

[1:52:43] Nothing at all perhaps?

[1:52:44] Our intention is to treat it with the E&I, the area that you can see in this rendering

[1:52:49] where the home will sit, which is the majority of the fall that faces to the southwest.

[1:52:55] That is going to be disturbed and re-vegetated to build the home.

[1:53:00] It's the portion that's to the south that's kind of on the right side of this rendering that's the most known even further over from that yeah that section that's on our homeowners parcel just to the west of the water tower that that's what you see when you're driving straight up in

[1:53:18] for Gordon. That whole that that unimproved access path that goes to the town acquisition

[1:53:25] parcel will be rebuilt into the mountain as part of the rebuilding there won't be access

[1:53:31] to that top parcel when we're finished is the intention and all of that area there where

[1:53:37] the cut is for that access path and then the fall beneath it will need to be treated with

[1:53:42] the United and attempt to re-vegetate it.

[1:53:45] That cut's been there since the mid-40s.

[1:53:48] So we'll see what takes.

[1:53:51] Awesome.

[1:53:51] Great.

[1:53:52] Thank you.

[1:53:53] OK, so pursuant to your design, a couple of questions.

[1:53:56] I couldn't, and we're on the right pages for this.

[1:53:59] It looks like the pool has a spillway.

[1:54:02] Is that visible or is that layered?

[1:54:05] I couldn't quite see if we're going to see that or not.

[1:54:08] The spillway will be visible.

[1:54:10] OK.

[1:54:10] Okay. And then is there a tile surface on that? You're thinking? Yes. Yeah. We don't have that tile.

[1:54:16] Uh, we don't. We don't. We don't. Okay. That's no problem. They work with that.

[1:54:25] Um, that's good. Roof surface. What are you thinking? Uh, it's a flat roof. Uh, it will be

[1:54:33] integrated foam, a last merit foam that it matches the stucco color.

[1:54:39] Would you consider any kind of top coat or sand coat ballast chip something to chip? I'd be open to

[1:54:46] Ballast is not my favorite from my home builder hat. Yeah, it makes it harder to find any crafts or leaks

[1:54:53] Right, we're just trying to sort of naturalize all those other not a lot of people that we'll see that

[1:54:57] But then again, I like to say, you know southwest air flight 93. We want to make a good impression

[1:55:03] In the body flying over

[1:55:08] talked about the pink colors. I wanted to talk a little bit about just not really pursuant

[1:55:16] to the design but construction staging. That's going to be difficult. And it's probably

[1:55:22] a little bit of question for staff too. How's it going to work just so the neighbors have

[1:55:27] some idea of what's in front of them?

[1:55:31] So the road work where they required a Donnie who parcel road improvement that comes as a stipulation for getting a building permit on this site has already begun.

[1:55:42] And with that road widening, it will allow us to get the few vehicles necessary to start excavation once the driveway is excavated.

[1:55:52] the path in will become the construction parking and our intention after hopefully receiving approval today from this committee is to work with town staff immediately to to to finalize the shaping of the town acquisition parcel.

[1:56:09] our intention is then to use mining equipment, basically, to move, like, conveyor belt, the export up onto the town lot and we'll have one piece of equipment up there and a sifter to move it around and reshape the top parcel.

[1:56:27] Wow. Easy. Yeah. It'll be grand. Awesome. My only other comment and I'll open up for

[1:56:38] a rest of the committee, but I need to bring this up. But part of our preview is trying to make

[1:56:45] sure everything's harmonious with the hillside. And while I like the LRV values of the paint color,

[1:56:51] I'm not sure that that's maybe the best most harmonious gray to fit in with that particular piece of the mountain.

[1:57:01] So, I'm wondering out loud if you'd be willing to look at some alternatives that we could maybe stipulate for final approval

[1:57:10] because I think it's a little too blue of a gray to kind of match that topography. I'm pretty familiar with mummy. I did my whole life.

[1:57:18] So I just don't see that color in nature on that rock, and would love to see something a little warmer.

[1:57:25] Are you open to that?

[1:57:27] Yeah, we're certainly open to pursuing a warmer paint color, but wouldn't want to keep it harmonious with the selected stone.

[1:57:36] It is a natural stone, so it does have warm and cool tones to it.

[1:57:40] So we could pull some of the warmer elements at that out.

[1:57:43] Excellent. Thank you.

[1:57:48] All right. Any other questions or comments? Yes a couple. So I think this is for staff first and then maybe the applicant.

[1:57:57] When we look at the net disturbed area now that excludes the city parcel.

[1:58:04] And then what has proposed is it's between five and six thousand feet is the difference which we're picking up.

[1:58:13] correct. Where is that? So there's there's 38,000 that it's calling out as already existing,

[1:58:20] right? And so would they are bringing down to us to 24,000? Right. And so where's the difference?

[1:58:28] So the thing that we're all going to look back at 10 years from now and say, oh,

[1:58:32] we picked up five to 6,000 feet of disturbed area and where where is that going to appear?

[1:58:39] That's mostly in the spokes flow area. So that's that's in this area here on this side, which is into that town on parcel and then some of it is also on this side on the road.

[1:58:54] Okay, so some of it is this bill itself correct. Most of it is this bill itself.

[1:58:59] All right. So now I'm going to pivot over to the applicant for staff to say that it's

[1:59:06] going to go from disturbed to non-disturbed. My layman view would be, I'm not going to

[1:59:13] see spill anymore. I'm not going to see spill that's just been colorized. So really practically

[1:59:19] what's happening with that area that Scott was talking about earlier, that you said you're

[1:59:25] going to try to bring back, you're going to modify the city parcel right and cap it or do

[1:59:30] things to it. But then that's going to move and kind of become one with the spill. So does

[1:59:35] this spill get added to? And like how does it not look like that anymore?

[1:59:42] So right now the best surface material we have is coming from the road expansion

[1:59:48] because that is natural material that hasn't been disturbed.

[1:59:51] So we have been working with town staff to store that that that nice does

[2:00:02] We will be reusing that service material to resurface both the hill that will build on the acquisition

[2:00:12] parcel and the reshaping of that access path as well as the spill beneath it.

[2:00:19] So the unite we hope will take as much as possible, but the areas that are being highlighted now, all the good surface material that we find in those roadways that will end up being the surface material used when we reshape the top.

[2:00:38] Okay. I hate to drive into this if I'm going to. So you have, you know, 70-year-old plus spill

[2:00:46] that's been pushed over. Practically, you can't pull it back. And if you put stuff on it,

[2:00:55] it could just end up down in the mountain, right? So how do you keep it? I'm still just practically

[2:01:05] trying to understand what's it going to look like after we're done?

[2:01:08] That is something we will have to continue to work on.

[2:01:12] It's part of understanding the geotechnical portion of that site

[2:01:17] to really know what's possible.

[2:01:21] The resurfacing agent is the option for the vast majority that is right next to the house

[2:01:31] and in this billway that replacement of materials is part of the conversation with the acquisition

[2:01:36] parcel.

[2:01:39] Okay, thank you. Second question is this seems very binary to me about the fire. It is

[2:01:48] either needed or it's not needed. It's all about measurements. So how is this still an open item?

[2:01:56] Either a fire truck can turn around or it can't. Correct. Okay, so what's open still?

[2:02:01] So what they, and part of their proposal as you can see it on, let me bring it up.

[2:02:11] How that maybe that area is either needed or not needed that you were discussing in the proposal or in the review.

[2:02:19] There, yeah, right here, correct.

[2:02:24] I mean, this is all dimensioned out, right?

[2:02:27] So what is required by the fire department to turn a truck around?

[2:02:31] So in essence, this is what they submitted.

[2:02:36] I spoke to our fire marshal and he said that for the proposal, this would suffice.

[2:02:42] They didn't include materials within their grading and drainage plan that shows

[2:02:51] how they would be able to improve this, but they also talked about

[2:02:58] So, in this area that's here that's cutting into the mountain a little more, this triangle,

[2:03:06] that also would be fine as a fire truck turnaround, I'm not sure as we move forward if that

[2:03:14] is going to change, I'm not sure if the applicant would add to that.

[2:03:19] Yeah, the areas that are shown here were requested by the Paradise Valley Fire Marshall on both

[2:03:24] sides of the street.

[2:03:26] That's why they're shown on the plan.

[2:03:28] So they're both required.

[2:03:29] Correct. His request was for both areas.

[2:03:32] I think the requested town staff is further information on the stabilization of the portion that's shown to the screen left, which is the north side of the road from our civil engineer.

[2:03:43] Okay. So subject to figuring out how to build it.

[2:03:47] If it turns out it's impossible to build it or cost prohibitive to build what we're seeing

[2:03:54] for the left side of the road, what happens?

[2:03:57] We would have to ensure that there's fire access elsewhere.

[2:04:02] Does the trying to go get bigger is my question.

[2:04:06] It would have to, but I believe the missing component for the north side of the street is

[2:04:13] that the calculations are not in the civil.

[2:04:14] that if you go, do you have the civil engineer in all of those?

[2:04:19] There is a section through that road cut in the civil.

[2:04:38] Really, I'm driving to the point of, are we looking at a bigger cut

[2:04:41] if you can't build to the north side?

[2:04:44] What happens?

[2:04:45] Like, is this materially going to be like another 15, 20 feet of a cut?

[2:04:50] Just down to make that grind as bigger.

[2:04:52] And then what's that going to look like?

[2:04:54] So, the grade there that's shown in Section H, that is the, in addition to the road improvements

[2:05:01] that are required under the previously given right away permit, it's 1.75 to 1 slope

[2:05:09] on the side.

[2:05:10] So, of all the points on this site, it's the shallowest of these slopes that we're dealing

[2:05:17] with here.

[2:05:19] But we need to provide further information to town staff on how that will be stabilized.

[2:05:23] is, um, roughly from CBL is the civil engineer on this project. Uh, we don't, there's, uh, I am not concerned about being able to stabilize that section of the mountain.

[2:05:41] How far out will you have to go there to get enough turnaround for the fire to broke?

[2:05:46] I believe it's an extension. Do you have it on the plan, Jose? I believe it's eight feet to 10 feet.

[2:06:04] So 18 feet total width.

[2:06:08] Well, yeah, to get that, let's say, similar surface to the road to turn around, how further out from there knowing that you have a fall happening.

[2:06:19] you have to go to keep stabilizing the actual turn around spot. I'm trying to

[2:06:24] figure out what's impacting. So the edge of the darker area there is the road

[2:06:30] with the final road with once the required improvements are made.

[2:06:36] The hatched area is the extension. So that there is 20 feet as you

[2:06:45] can use

[2:06:51] six additional feet of area for a truck to drive on correct so then my question is

[2:06:58] beyond that because it's a fall to get that six to work either have to put a

[2:07:04] retaining wall in or you have to go further out to stabilize yes so I'm

[2:07:09] trying to do that so the darker lines that are reshaping the topos there that's

[2:07:17] the intended distance. So it's almost double roughly. What you're doing on the road expansion

[2:07:26] or turnaround area, you have to double it to get out. Yes. But the intention is to keep that

[2:07:33] natural and restore back to a desert rather than introduce a retaining wall on that side of the road.

[2:07:42] And then where the triangle is, is that going to be a retaining wall then?

[2:07:47] Yeah, where the E7 marker is, it's a short retaining wall because we are cutting back that section of the mountain for the stipulated judgment to bring in that driveway.

[2:08:02] So it flares open there, the intention is that that wall is where the house number would go.

[2:08:13] Yeah, well, the driveway is going to be the darker area.

[2:08:17] Right.

[2:08:17] The intention for both of these areas is that they're more of a natural stabilized material.

[2:08:22] So they don't appear to be a part of the driveway.

[2:08:24] They appear to be more natural.

[2:08:26] Thank you for all that.

[2:08:29] So just for the record, I'm not super comfortable with calling that we're going to net reduced disturbed area.

[2:08:37] if we don't have an actual plan for what the net disturbed area return is going to look like.

[2:08:44] We, I'm not hearing any clear answers about what that's going to be. So I feel like our

[2:08:50] disturbed area is going to be the same as it is now. It's just going to be a different color.

[2:08:56] It's still going to be spilled. It probably won't have anything over it. It's just the way it's

[2:09:04] going to be and if that's what it's going to be, I think we should all own that and

[2:09:08] say that that's what we're doing here. That's a comment. I agree with Chair on the

[2:09:15] pool tile that that should be a stip so that we know what we're looking at and Chair

[2:09:23] and staff approval. On the recessed lights, there's just a couple of questions.

[2:09:32] There's 30 of them and because of where they're located with the soft fits, you don't have

[2:09:37] a lot of space to go away from the vertical surface.

[2:09:42] So the cut-offs are very important.

[2:09:44] They can't have this 90-degree spread, or they're just going to wash the whole thing up.

[2:09:50] So I noticed that they were narrower fixtures, more, I'm not going to call it pins, but do

[2:09:57] do you know the actual cutoff on those?

[2:09:59] Are they like narrow like 20% or 45%, still

[2:10:06] probably not enough in some of those locations.

[2:10:09] I mean, they're just going to light up whatever they're next to.

[2:10:12] Yeah, so it has upper and main patios to the east that it's also on the upper patios.

[2:10:19] Most of those are next to a glass surface, so they'd be shining and complement to the interior

[2:10:28] lighting rather than again stay solid surface wall.

[2:10:35] Yeah, it's some concerns about those two.

[2:10:38] I just feel like the ones that are closer to the glazing should be more like a 20.

[2:10:47] Like more, I'm not saying a pin light, but they're really intended to light up the walking surface,

[2:10:53] not the glass. And so that's just the comment. And then it says that the civil has to be updated in

[2:11:03] the staff reports, can you specifically indicate outside of this fire area, is that the

[2:11:12] only update, or is there other updates?

[2:11:16] That's part of the main concern with staff, right, is that they didn't submit what this

[2:11:23] extended six foot of with is going to be.

[2:11:26] The other one would be, once they start cutting into that spill slope area, is what are

[2:11:37] they finding and then how are they stabilizing the top lot.

[2:11:41] So that will be the other revision as well as providing a sweep in that area.

[2:11:48] So to be clear, there's nothing to do with core drainage to be updated.

[2:11:56] there's nothing to do. I guess I guess it's mainly drainage that I'm concerned about.

[2:12:10] I'll rephrase it. Is this committee seeing the full drainage picture on the current civil plans?

[2:12:17] So they had submitted a safety improvement plan and I think part of it, I don't review those,

[2:12:25] but I think part of it was still missing the complete picture of what we're looking at. And so that's

[2:12:31] part of that stipulation that you see on there is that the reports should be revised

[2:12:39] moving forward.

[2:12:41] And so in building plan check is when they will be submitting all of those not just for

[2:12:47] the site itself but also for the road work and then also for the top lot as well.

[2:12:55] I'd like to get clarification on that, the application for the site as required by the

[2:13:05] health side ordinance and the stipulations is complete.

[2:13:10] The open items are how to treat the town acquisition parcel, which requires coordination

[2:13:17] after health side approval.

[2:13:20] and the road work has received a separate approval permitting and the

[2:13:28] swift that's outstanding with the town staff right now was a request to

[2:13:33] salvage the good finished material from the road and temporarily store it on

[2:13:37] the organization parcel. And by the private road I mean the extension of where it

[2:13:42] goes all the way around since it not all of it is being improved. There is a

[2:13:49] a portion of it that encircles the town on the parcel, and so that's that other portion of it.

[2:13:57] That portion of the road would not be a part of our construction. It would be the requirement of

[2:14:02] whoever builds on 7080 on the north parcel, and if the city of Phoenix ever improves parcel 2,

[2:14:09] which they own to the east.

[2:14:14] The requirement from the stipulation and the road improvement plan,

[2:14:17] and the road improvement agreements from 1988

[2:14:20] require that any of the Donahue parcels

[2:14:22] improve the roadway on the Donahue parcels

[2:14:24] to their point of access.

[2:14:26] All

[2:14:33] right, so this section of it right here.

[2:14:36] That unimproved access path will be removed

[2:14:39] as part of the discussion

[2:14:41] with how to treat the town acquisition parcel.

[2:14:52] Not pursuant to the application.

[2:14:55] It would be nice if, and maybe,

[2:15:00] Staff can help guide us, but as the town moves forward with the revetitation on that, it would be nice to have some hillside involvement. So even if it's an invitation, can put that out there because it'd be nice to get our committee's eyes on what's going to happen. Yeah, absolutely. It's reasonable. I mean, due to the complexity of the project, it'll, it'll basically be in phases. Right. And so.

[2:15:27] So I was looking back at the stipulations, but one of them, which I was referring to

[2:15:38] part of that private road, is that the construction plan outlining the excavated private road

[2:15:43] material to be stored in the town parcel, we will require a construction staging plan as

[2:15:50] submitted material cut volumes as well as the stabilization method and the SWIP.

[2:15:55] So it means to say that it was looking, relooking at the whole private parcel, it's just stabilizing

[2:16:01] that material.

[2:16:02] That material.

[2:16:03] Understood.

[2:16:04] In our studies of how to treat the top lot, we end up, if we take the same footprint

[2:16:10] of the base and load it to look like a hill, it ends up being about 20 feet tall in the

[2:16:15] center.

[2:16:19] All right.

[2:16:20] Are there any questions or comments from other committee members?

[2:16:26] Yes, Scott Bill, the seat is here, just wondering if Jose can maybe go back to I guess I call it the aerial.

[2:16:35] I just want to be more familiar with the alignment of Invergordon as it kind of climbs up the mountain and maybe down the mountain and obviously provides access to the site.

[2:16:49] Can you, is there a way to play, it just doesn't seem to look, I do see a little bit of a snake looking road going up.

[2:16:59] Is that actually an improved roadway or is that going to be more asphalt down or improved in some way that is going to, you know, require some sensitivity to the view corridors from below, etc.

[2:17:17] correct. Thank you. I think we're going to see a good answer that question here in a moment.

[2:17:26] Thanks.

[2:18:15] So part of Invergordon is a private road. You can see it here.

[2:18:24] Yeah, there you go.

[2:18:26] At this portion at the bottom is where Invergordon ends the actual public right of way.

[2:18:32] and then from this point where it turns then it is a private roadway and so

[2:18:40] that the applicant has already provided an improvement plan for that private

[2:18:45] roadway and it goes all the way up the private road up until this point right

[2:18:53] here is where those improvements will end.

[2:18:57] Okay yeah that's very clear now and that

[2:19:01] obviously will be access for construction as well during the building period. Right, and

[2:19:08] permit has already been issued for those private road improvements.

[2:19:13] The private road improvements that we're working on are part of the on the Donahoe parcel,

[2:19:18] so from the far west side of parcel 1A, right, where that, no, no, further keep going, right.

[2:19:33] That is a requirement. Yep, that section there.

[2:19:40] For anyone that develops one of the Donahoe parcels that the portion of the road to get to their driveways a requirement before a building permit can be issued.

[2:19:48] The balance of the road from their downhill is shared responsibility of all the homeowners and would require all participation based on percentages that were determined in the 80s.

[2:19:59] So, we have filled the many potholes on the snake section of that road to provide safe access for construction vehicles as we're doing the road work and as we build the home.

[2:20:13] But the full improvement of that section of the road would be a joint agreement with the homeowners.

[2:20:20] Okay. Okay. No, I see that now. That's quite clear. Thank you. Just is the drive issue?

[2:20:31] Enter the home itself, off of the board, and is that gated? Or will it be gated?

[2:20:37] There is a gate for the north section of the road just before the 70-40 existing home.

[2:20:47] Somewhere in here?

[2:20:49] Yeah.

[2:20:53] What's with this?

[2:20:54] It is not working at the moment.

[2:20:57] It's a shared gate with the parcels above.

[2:20:59] It is not operational.

[2:21:01] It was Jerry Rugged and running off of the power of the 70-40 existing home.

[2:21:07] they had squatters in the home and so the gate was cut off. Part of improving the road,

[2:21:15] we believe, part of improving the road in coordination with the other neighbors would be to restore power to the gate.

[2:21:22] Okay, so that, so when we talk about a gate, it will be kind of down mountain that got point not necessarily at the entry drive of the residents were building.

[2:21:35] That's correct, there will be no gate at the residents for the driveway.

[2:21:39] There is a gate for pool code by pedestrian gate.

[2:21:46] Yeah, I understood that. Okay. Great.

[2:21:51] Thank you. Thank you.

[2:21:55] Any other questions or comments from committee members?

[2:22:00] I think I'll open it up to members of the community that might be here to speak on this application.

[2:22:05] if you want to join in, there's an open mic. Please state your name for the record.

[2:22:12] Yeah, come on up. You can come here and do it. Wherever you're comfortable. Yeah.

[2:22:18] Or there. Yeah. Good morning. Yeah. That was fun. Tim Welch, I have a parcel directly west of

[2:22:31] the applicants.

[2:22:35] It's $7.45.

[2:22:40] One question I had because we're in this, you're going to see me

[2:22:45] soon probably in the next month or two. I'm kind of in the long, a couple of year process,

[2:22:50] trying to get to this point, I guess. But one of the things on our judgment is we have two places

[2:22:58] that we can come in at and come at the bottom part of the lot, or the top part. Now, our plan

[2:23:04] right now is to stick with the we're planning to try to keep the bottom although we've now had to make

[2:23:10] some adjustments just to conform with the with our judgment and so it's everything's kind of

[2:23:18] up everything's back up here I guess my one question would be is it looks like the road improvements

[2:23:23] that are going to be they go into my lot they would be where like potentially my driveway could

[2:23:29] can you just describe what is that, like how is that impacted, how much is that easement coming into the, you know, I assume we're not cutting in to expand the road, but are we just, are we pushing out to expand the road or what's what's going in that section?

[2:23:48] And with that impact, my driveway, I guess.

[2:23:50] go

[2:23:54] one previous, yep that one right there if you consume it in that portion. Thank you.

[2:24:00] This is the road improvement plan that we've put together for this portion. The

[2:24:06] road improvement requirements and widths are dictated by the 1988 agreement and we

[2:24:13] are building to those specifications. So you can see there is a little bit of

[2:24:19] there'll be a ribbon curb on these south side of the road which would be if you

[2:24:27] come in from that top areas that what you're thinking doing now if you come

[2:24:31] in from that area it would be where your driveway would come in. Okay and so

[2:24:35] how far do you have to expand the road I'm assuming you're a widening it? Yes but

[2:24:39] most of the widening is actually happening once you get to Joe and Caitlin's

[2:24:44] parcel where we are actually digging into the mountain it's passed the entrance

[2:24:49] to Mrs. Glosson's parcel.

[2:24:51] Okay.

[2:24:53] You can see where we're on your property.

[2:24:56] It's minimal.

[2:24:58] And then once we get closer to where Joe and Caitlin's driveway is going to be,

[2:25:02] where you see the repetition of the topography lines right there,

[2:25:08] that's where the cut into the mountain will be occurring.

[2:25:11] Okay.

[2:25:11] And as far as the cost in terms of the,

[2:25:16] for the road improvements what so when when do we get to how does that is there a formula or so when do we get notified or like when's the yeah for the balance of the road improvements.

[2:25:29] It's the there's an agreement which I can send to you that dictates the proportion for each property owner I think we need to get all the neighbors together and decide.

[2:25:39] you know, you're planning to activate a construction project. I know the

[2:25:43] signs are also considering something on their parcel. So it may be time to create

[2:25:49] some kind of HOA amongst the neighbors up there because the agreements that are

[2:25:54] in place now are pretty antiquated. You can barely read them, absolutely. Like

[2:26:01] literally, vigorously.

[2:26:04] I think someone photocopied it too many times and I can't

[2:26:08] So there's some parts that are accidentally whited out by other labels.

[2:26:12] So as far as so you're doing the improvements now but you right now the all the improvements

[2:26:17] are just the ones the improvements that are on your lot you haven't started the road

[2:26:22] improvements outside.

[2:26:23] We have done the road improvements going from your lot that is a requirement for us to

[2:26:28] receive a building permit.

[2:26:29] So the section that runs through your parcel there we have done.

[2:26:32] I think shared financial responsibility for that would be a conversation between you guys

[2:26:38] and John Katelyn. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for being here. Yeah. Please come

[2:26:46] up.

[2:26:49] Okay. I'm Tony Stein. We own the previous Campbell lot. We're the ones with the squatters.

[2:26:55] But they got them. Oh, good. So yeah. Um, the water. Right now we have those two water tanks,

[2:27:03] temporary water tanks that you said will be there until January on our lot. What is the plan

[2:27:10] and afterwards, and is there for fires or fire hydrant?

[2:27:14] Is there water available from the Phoenix Fire Department?

[2:27:18] I mean, water department?

[2:27:20] Yeah, so the tanks that thank you so generously

[2:27:23] allowed us to put on your lot are providing us

[2:27:25] with construction water to do the road improvements

[2:27:29] as the city of Phoenix will not give us construction water

[2:27:33] until we have a building permit.

[2:27:34] So it's a stopgap solution to allow the road work

[2:27:37] to begin once we have a building permit for this home those tanks can be removed and we can use water

[2:27:46] from the water service existing for this site. Part of the broader conversation with City of Phoenix

[2:27:53] which is something that they are already talking about doing and we've talked with town staff about

[2:27:57] this is upgrading the butter the well site from the 40s to provide service to newer homes and

[2:28:08] a complete neighborhood of homes on this parcel. The city of Phoenix would be required. They

[2:28:15] have a obligation to provide water service to their residents. So we're going to have to sort of

[2:28:22] spearhead the effort on that to make sure that by the time Joe and Caitlin move into this home,

[2:28:27] They have adequate water service from City of Phoenix.

[2:28:31] Okay, and the second question is when I'm up there,

[2:28:35] if there's a way to maybe put some cones on our driveway,

[2:28:41] we're finding that the trucks are backing into our driveway

[2:28:45] in order to turn around to go up the hill.

[2:28:48] Oh, sure, we could definitely add that.

[2:28:49] So we can do that and then they were having lunch

[2:28:52] on our lot to sitting out on the,

[2:28:55] there's chairs actually out there right now.

[2:28:57] I think they sit there and have lunch.

[2:28:59] We'll certainly get those removed.

[2:29:01] I mean, I think they're gone now, but yeah.

[2:29:04] Perhaps I could bring some lunch.

[2:29:06] Yeah, right.

[2:29:08] Never know.

[2:29:11] Good. Thank you.

[2:29:12] Thank you for your input.

[2:29:14] And one last question.

[2:29:16] And then I want to go over some potential stipulations.

[2:29:20] The soft treatment.

[2:29:21] That's wood throughout.

[2:29:22] out. So there's no drywall dense glass painted solvents.

[2:29:27] It's wood on the main outdoor spaces, but then the smaller ones are going to be stuck

[2:29:34] out.

[2:29:34] Okay.

[2:29:35] Good. You probably heard us earlier, but that'll be a lot of recompliant on the paint.

[2:29:41] Yes, absolutely.

[2:29:42] It'd be this whatever we revisit for the worst cycle color will keep on the soft bits as

[2:29:49] well.

[2:29:50] So I have some thoughts that I'm going to put out to the committee for a motion of approval.

[2:30:00] Eight stipulations in the report as it reads now, and I've got five that I'd like to add. I'm going to read through them. It's not a motion, but I want some conversation on it. We have talked about what potentially might be stipulation nine. That's exterior paint color, paint color, stucco, Maine, and stucco accent colors.

[2:30:25] Alternative colors should be selected to be more harmonious with the national setting. Final colors.

[2:30:31] to be submitted for approval staff and chair.

[2:30:35] Number 10 would be rock face cut treatments, cut areas to be treated with colorants such

[2:30:41] as in-nighter equivalent with samples to be provided for approval by staff and chair.

[2:30:47] Stipulation 11 would be pool tile, final pool tile to be submitted to staff and chair for

[2:30:53] final approval.

[2:30:53] Sipulation 12 would be roof surface to be broadcast top-coded with LRB compliance sand

[2:31:00] chip or equivalent sample to be submitted to staff and chair for final approval.

[2:31:06] And this last one, I need some input from the committee lighting.

[2:31:12] Recess can lights to covered main and upper level patios to be either relocated or cut off

[2:31:22] angle to be modified so as not to illuminate glass and architectural vertical surfaces,

[2:31:28] submittals subject to approval by staff and share. Does that sound to the committee like we've

[2:31:35] covered everything that we've had concerns about today?

[2:31:43] Yes. Okay, thank you. Scott, what do you think?

[2:31:48] I think the

[2:31:51] only, again, I just want to hear it from staff.

[2:31:58] The applicant is saying that the only civil that needs to be modified is the road civil.

[2:32:05] Well, in the, in the, in the steps, there's more about that.

[2:32:08] Yeah.

[2:32:09] Right.

[2:32:10] So there's, there's things that need to be, to be updated that were called out and their

[2:32:14] various reports.

[2:32:16] For example, number two, they provide a bolder stabilization plan for the bolder stability

[2:32:23] analysis and geotech report.

[2:32:25] That's something that needs to be revised.

[2:32:27] They need to come up with a plan on how they are going to stabilize it.

[2:32:30] That report called out certain concerns that came up, but that yet needs to be updated and

[2:32:38] revised.

[2:32:41] They also need to update their, their GND in accordance to, to our

[2:32:49] post-existing program plan and also the process manual for building permit review

[2:32:54] that's also with the stormwater mitigation measures. There's also the cut and

[2:33:02] fill amounts that need to be updated. They gave us an estimate of what those

[2:33:08] cut-and-fill amounts were, but as they get into the specific details of what they're pulling out

[2:33:16] of the earth, then we need a more accurate number as well. So they'll need to provide an

[2:33:25] origin for that.

[2:33:31] The other stipulations are also for the, like, as I mentioned, the top law or the

[2:33:42] coordinating with staff on how they're going to stabilize what they're pulling out, not just

[2:33:50] how they're forming that top lot, but in the meantime, as they're pulling out that material,

[2:33:57] they're placing it on the town on parcel. How are they stabilizing that? How are they also

[2:34:02] providing SWIP for temporary storm retention measures while they continue construction and

[2:34:11] continue digging up the site, that earth or rocks that are placed up there are just going

[2:34:17] to be there for now until we figure out a plan on how that's going to be reconstructed

[2:34:24] or reformed.

[2:34:25] So that's the other one.

[2:34:30] And then also in terms of that fire required widening, there are V&Ds that they provided

[2:34:40] the private road improvements. Some of those were called out, but the GND wasn't,

[2:34:47] it wasn't addressing how that is going to be stabilized, how is that constructed.

[2:34:54] So that's another revision that we had in there as well.

[2:35:04] I think those were it, but if I might have missed any, if anybody has anything to add, okay.

[2:35:11] Thank you.

[2:35:11] I

[2:35:15] have, sorry, one more question on the staff report.

[2:35:21] And this is just from my own history

[2:35:24] and I'm just gonna ask the dumb question.

[2:35:28] The hillside assurance bond is 221,000.

[2:35:32] I didn't move any dirt, mine was almost 190,000.

[2:35:36] So I'm trying to figure out if we get halfway

[2:35:39] through this project and I'm not suggesting anything,

[2:35:41] but I'm just saying something happens or whatever

[2:35:43] and we have this massive over 40 foot cut on the house and we're pushing all

[2:35:50] that back up to the top and we have this stage in time where we have a cut

[2:35:56] and we have a bunch of new stuff on the top of the mountain and something

[2:36:00] happens on the project where it doesn't continue is $221,000 gonna help and how

[2:36:07] does that get calculated per the math that's been provided? Right so that's

[2:36:13] Another stipulation that I mentioned is that those numbers need to be updated because what we saw is not an accurate representation of what will the project in its entirety will entail.

[2:36:26] So that wouldn't need to be revised and it'll be a greater number.

[2:36:32] So the calculation follows the revised.

[2:36:36] G&D, grading and drainage plan kind

[2:36:45] of I mean it's over I mean I can't even

[2:36:48] talk about it it's a seven-figure number to put Humpty Dumpty back together

[2:36:51] again once that starts so I'm just saying the town has a code and the

[2:36:57] applicant's gonna follow the code and we know that right but it's you know we

[2:37:02] have a lot of special circumstances here then you know a stipulated judgment is

[2:37:07] is one thing, but then the effects of what that stipulated judgment does at

[2:37:13] a moment in time of construction if for some reason construction doesn't

[2:37:17] continue is a fair concern. Right. Right. And what I'm saying is that these need

[2:37:25] to be revised now prior to issuance of building permit. And that's all

[2:37:31] code driven. That's not a hillside thing. You know, another word we're looking at

[2:37:35] the math has been provided here,

[2:37:37] based upon the volume that's been provided here.

[2:37:41] Right, right.

[2:37:43] So we went off of what the applicant submitted to us,

[2:37:46] obviously, that's as much as we can review.

[2:37:50] But as we reviewed it, we looked at different things

[2:37:54] and so that was one thing that really stood out

[2:37:56] is that that amount is not likely correct

[2:38:01] and wanting to be revised.

[2:38:02] and that will be prior to permit issuance.

[2:38:06] So the applicant will have to revise the documents,

[2:38:10] resubmit them, and we'll review them.

[2:38:12] But that would all be subsequent to any of our purview.

[2:38:16] Is that a fair statement?

[2:38:17] Correct.

[2:38:21] And as the applicant knows this is that,

[2:38:24] what we discussed is that there can be a continuation

[2:38:27] and should the Hillside Committee decide to continue it to the following meeting and address these items.

[2:38:38] Uh, items presumed an application or inclusive of the provisions of the GND.

[2:38:45] One of the items to note is that the applicant may use the top parcel to reshape it, but it's not a requirement of the stipulation.

[2:38:59] So, we would like to work with the town to reshape the top parcel and create a better appearance for everybody in the town, because it's an eyesore for everyone.

[2:39:08] But we're working with a site that has what 80-year-olds fill on it.

[2:39:14] Our intention is not to leave it looking for our almost 40-year reputation in this community

[2:39:20] and prior service on this committee and others should stand in sharing that.

[2:39:26] Our intention is to do this the correct way and work with the town in order to do that.

[2:39:31] I'd be happy to add working with the Hillside Committee to how we address the acquisition

[2:39:38] parcel and but that is a that has to be a separate case from the approval of the home itself.

[2:39:51] Okay, you okay about that because I you know I know on the other side of mummy on hummingbird there was

[2:39:58] it was a pretty infamous bust out on the bond that left a scar there for nearly a decade that

[2:40:10] got taken care of. So that assessment, that valuation is thankfully not within our scope,

[2:40:19] but we will trust that all we have. So, well, if there's no other questions or comments,

[2:40:26] I'd like to, yes, please come on up so we can hear you.

[2:40:35] The same question I had last time we met to Tim Welch. Is there on the drainage plan,

[2:40:41] the one thing when we had had to wash out like eight or ten years ago and they had fixed the

[2:40:50] road or dorses they'd fixed the road they they'd kind of changed the road to basically take all

[2:40:56] the runoff from the north side of the mountain and now it kind of comes and comes off this outside.

[2:41:01] Is that in the plans just to show that water because it basically hits the road and it all washes right

[2:41:06] down my lot, which will be exactly where my house is going to be. So has that been

[2:41:11] changed to our, you know, north facing slope keeps going north?

[2:41:15] Correct. And if you look at the road improvement plan that we had up earlier,

[2:41:20] the curved side is to your parcel to attempt to collect that and then redirect any of the fall

[2:41:27] back to the north down the the tongue part. That is great. Thank you so much for doing that.

[2:41:34] Well,

[2:41:38] we've had a lot of input and conversation and discussion on this. I think it's excellent.

[2:41:43] It's a significant parcel. I'm happy to see it become improved and restored.

[2:41:51] I would like to at this time make a motion regarding item C23282 formal review for a new single family residence at 7090 North Invergordon Road.

[2:42:04] I move to approve the application as submitted with stipulations 1-8 in the report with

[2:42:11] inclusive of the following additional stipulations which will be 9-13.

[2:42:18] Stipulation number 9, exterior paint color, paint color on Stucco main and Stucco accent

[2:42:24] colors.

[2:42:26] will be submitted with alternative color choices selected to be more harmonious with

[2:42:33] a natural setting with final colors to be submitted for approval by staff and chair.

[2:42:39] Stipulation number ten, rock feet face cut treatments, all cut areas to be treated with colorant

[2:42:47] such as e and night or equivalent with samples to be provided for approval by staff and chair.

[2:42:53] stipulation number 11, pool tile, final pool tile to be submitted to staff and chair for

[2:43:00] final approval, stipulation number 12, roof surface, roof surface to be broadcast top

[2:43:06] coded with LRV compliant sand chip or equivalent, the samples to be submitted to staff and chair

[2:43:13] chair for final approval, and last stipulation number 13 lighting, recessed cans at covered

[2:43:21] main upper and lower patios to be either relocated or a cut-off angle modified

[2:43:30] so not to illuminate glass and architectural vertical surfaces subject to

[2:43:35] approval of staff and chair.

[2:43:41] I mean comments are second to second.

[2:43:47] Bill Naseek is second. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:43:54] comments?

[2:43:57] We're hearing none. We'll call for the vote. Good. Okay. All in favor? Aye.

[2:44:04] Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

[2:44:10] Congratulations. Motion passes. Now the fun begins. Yes.

[2:44:15] You have quite a task. You've put a lot of effort in this. Appreciate it. And I think it's going to be a great looking project. And congratulations.

[2:44:22] Okay, great. Congratulations.

[2:44:27] Scott, this is Charles. Can I just ask how often

[2:44:30] the bond requirements from the town are updated?

[2:44:35] Good question. I think that's kind of part of

[2:44:41] planning commission address that a couple of years back,

[2:44:45] but I don't think it's a set schedule.

[2:44:47] So the question was how often does the town review the bond schedule of valuations?

[2:44:58] Yes.

[2:44:59] Yes.

[2:45:00] I'm not sure how long it's been, but that valuation is based on the cut-and-fill amount, and it's 35 times that amount. I'm not sure how long ago that was revisited or if it's been updated in the last couple years. The last code update was 2018. I don't think that was part of it, but that is something that we can kind of look into. Yeah, because everybody knows all these costs keep rising.

[2:45:29] So yeah, I think it needs to be nice. I think there's probably in the nice to keep pace with it. Yeah, indeed. And also there's some hillside code issues that probably should be addressed in a couple of years too.

[2:45:41] So we'll keep on that.

[2:45:43] Staff, any reports for us where we go?

[2:45:46] We don't have any committee reports.

[2:45:48] We have next meeting dates called out tentatively. Well, we'll firm up.

[2:45:53] Yeah, question. Wasn't there an email about the matter that we said we would talk about? Yeah, we'll do that after that. Yeah, we'll do it as not part of the meeting. And then we have meeting dates Wednesday November 8th at 8 a.m.

[2:46:09] one, tentatively Wednesday, December 13th at 8 a.m. looks good for me.

[2:46:16] November 8th could be a challenge for me because I'm out of the country. I'm supposed

[2:46:20] to be back on the 7th, but we like having here, but we'll come and be remote. So I'm just

[2:46:30] putting it out there that if I'm on a plane at that moment, which I don't know if that

[2:46:34] actually could happen, but if I was, I may have to reach out to somebody to help me out.

[2:46:41] Thank you. I think we'll just be able to move forward. December 13th is my birthday, so

[2:46:47] cupcakes are required.

[2:46:52] I wish. All right, well thank you everyone for your participation today.

[2:46:58] Thanks for those members of the community that came out for the meeting and I would move to a

[2:47:03] adjourned. Second, all in favor, aye.

[2:47:08] Thank you, and everyone. Have a great day.

[2:47:11] Thank you.

[2:47:12] Thanks.

[2:47:13] Bye.

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