[0:02] It's about 20 seconds

[0:04] >> in progress

[0:05] >> to six. So, welcome to the PA city

[0:09] council meeting for August 19th,

[0:12] 2026. And again, the time is well,

[0:15] according to that clock, the end at the

[0:17] other end of the room at 6:00.

[0:21] Uh, I will go ahead and and open this

[0:23] meeting with word of prayer.

[0:27] Our

[0:31] father in heaven, as we come before thee

[0:33] at this time as a group of citizens and

[0:36] city council, we're so very thankful for

[0:38] thy involvement in our lives and in the

[0:41] lives of the PAC city citizens and those

[0:47] in the surrounding areas. We're thankful

[0:50] for the opportunity we have of planning

[0:51] our future and would ask thee to please

[0:53] be part of that plan as we are

[0:57] struggling to make sure we do the right

[1:00] thing for the right reason. Thankful for

[1:02] the the water that thou hast seen fit to

[1:05] bestow us with. Please help us to get

[1:10] more water for our our uses. Please

[1:13] don't overwhelm us with the water but

[1:15] help us to

[1:17] uh use that water

[1:20] uh sensibly. And we say these things

[1:22] father in the name of thy son Jesus

[1:24] Christ. Amen.

[1:25] >> Amen.

[1:27] >> And a moss council moss will lead us in

[1:29] the pledge.

[1:31] >> Please stand.

[1:34] >> Repeat after me. I aliance to the flag

[1:38] of the United States of America and to

[1:41] the republic for which it stands. One

[1:44] nation under God, indivisible, with

[1:47] liberty and justice for all.

[1:50] >> Thank you, Anne.

[1:54] » Okay, we'll go ahead and proceed uh see

[1:56] the consent agenda. Approval of the

[2:00] August 5th, 2026 city council meeting

[2:03] minutes. Number two, confirmation of the

[2:06] monthly financial information. Number

[2:08] three, resolution approving agreement

[2:09] for construction services for the short

[2:12] course at the Glad Stand Golf Course.

[2:15] Unless there's any uh uh discussion, I'm

[2:19] ready for a motion.

[2:20] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the

[2:22] consent agenda.

[2:23] >> I'll second that.

[2:24] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Uh

[2:26] roll call vote starting with Council

[2:29] Smith.

[2:29] >> Yes.

[2:30] >> Council Roelly,

[2:31] >> yes.

[2:31] >> Council Moss,

[2:32] >> yes. Council Progard.

[2:34] >> Yes.

[2:34] >> Okay. The motion carries. That gives me

[2:36] an opportunity to let people know that

[2:38] uh Council Hulet is going to be a little

[2:41] late. He's had some responsibilities on a meeting earlier today, but he will

[2:46] be here.

[2:47] Okay. We'll move on to D petitions.

[2:52] Uh and uh number one is I5 interchange

[2:56] report. Stephen, are you with us?

[2:59] Come on up, Stephen.

[3:01] the man of the hour.

[3:03] >> Yeah. Thank you for being here.

[3:05] We're anxious for your report.

[3:11] » Uh this is my first time. I'm I'm Steven

[3:13] Loveland. I'm the new project manager

[3:16] for the I-15 PAC interchange project.

[3:19] Eric Krasband uh is retiring or retired.

[3:22] Um so I'm taking over for him. Um our design team is currently pursuing

[3:29] 90% design plans. Um we got that

[3:32] scheduled in September. Um we anticipate

[3:36] to advertise

[3:38] uh at the beginning of next year with

[3:41] construction planned for spring summer

[3:44] of 2027. Um we're currently working with

[3:48] uh UTA and the railroad. Um we're

[3:51] preparing agreements um and those will

[3:53] need to be um approved in order to get

[3:56] construction rolling. So we're working

[3:58] through that. Um and we're also working

[4:00] through right away um that's kind of

[4:03] ongoing rightway acquisition. So um

[4:07] that's kind of pretty simple update, but

[4:09] like I said, we're getting close to um

[4:12] getting the package ready to advertise.

[4:13] So

[4:14] >> that's a major segment of that update.

[4:17] So no, we appreciate that information.

[4:20] And does uh does the rightway include

[4:22] going over the tracks with with new

[4:24] offramps?

[4:26] >> Uh you're talking about tracks. Yeah. To

[4:28] the north.

[4:32] » The

[4:33] >> So going over not only

[4:35] >> to the to the west or where?

[4:38] >> Yeah, to the west.

[4:39] >> You can kind of kind of northwest

[4:40] >> kind of northwest.

[4:42] >> Yeah. So

[4:42] >> going over the tracks.

[4:45] I brought my

[4:48] » Come on up if you would please.

[4:54] » Appreciate you being here.

[4:59] So, yes, as part of the project, we're

[5:01] acquiring all the rideway that would be

[5:03] necessary for those future ramps on the

[5:05] southern side of the interchange as well

[5:07] as that extension on the west end to

[5:09] connect over to 3200 West or Main

[5:11] Street. Mhm.

[5:13] >> That piece won't be built yet, but the

[5:15] rightway will be there for future

[5:17] expansion.

[5:18] >> Awesome. Thank you.

[5:19] >> Appreciate it. And

[5:21] >> you guys haven't found any surprise

[5:22] funding to to make the road real big,

[5:24] right?

[5:26] >> The PAC Parkway

[5:27] >> money hasn't fallen out of the sky yet.

[5:29] Darn it. We're working on it.

[5:30] >> We're working on it.

[5:32] >> Appreciate that.

[5:33] >> Thank you.

[5:34] >> Okay.

[5:34] >> Thanks for the update.

[5:36] >> Yes.

[5:37] >> Thanks.

[5:39] >> Okay, moving on. Uh, number two, annual

[5:42] report for 4B committee. Matthew,

[5:45] come on up.

[6:00] See if I can pull up the pictures for

[6:23] I'm going to neglect the pictures cuz

[6:25] >> that's fine.

[6:25] >> Don't know how to work Zoom.

[6:29] » All right.

[6:31] to our council members and people of

[6:35] PAC. Over the past year, the Forbay

[6:38] Committee has continued its efforts to

[6:39] improve, preserve, and promote the

[6:41] Forbay Trail System. Below, we have a

[6:44] summary of our key accomplishments.

[6:47] We hosted a conver conservation easement

[6:50] celebration at the Forbay trails

[6:53] recognizing the successful con

[6:55] conservation partnership and honoring

[6:58] individuals and organizations whose

[7:00] efforts helped preserve the forbay area

[7:02] for the future generations and that was

[7:05] the Lehigh City Council that joined us.

[7:08] We secured a park grant funding for a

[7:10] new trail head, kiosk, and interpretive

[7:12] signage, which will improve visitor

[7:14] education, navigation, and overall trail

[7:16] experience.

[7:18] Continued community outreach and

[7:20] education by participating participating

[7:24] in adventure days, promoting the 4 bay

[7:26] trail system, conversation, conservation

[7:28] efforts, trail stewardship, and

[7:30] volunteer opportunities to residents and

[7:32] visitors. We coordinated multiple trail

[7:35] maintenance projects in partnership with

[7:37] local community groups leading 55

[7:39] volunteers across 200 plus hour services

[7:42] to restore trail conditions and prepare

[7:45] the system increased public use. We

[7:48] continued planning for future

[7:49] improvements including the gravel

[7:51] parking lot project which is currently

[7:53] on hold with the coordinated with Utah

[7:56] County Trail Engineering.

[7:59] We expanded trail am amenities,

[8:01] accessibility enhancements such as an

[8:04] all abilities trail wheelchair and

[8:07] ongoing conservation initiatives. The

[8:11] Forbay committee appreciates the

[8:13] continued support of the PAC city

[8:14] council. We remain committed to

[8:17] protecting the Forbay area while

[8:19] expanding opportunities for outdoor

[8:21] recreation and look forward to another

[8:23] successful year in collaboration.

[8:25] Sincerely, the Forbay committee.

[8:29] Thank you so much.

[8:30] >> Thank you.

[8:33] >> Okay. And we'll go ahead and do go to

[8:37] number three. Uh open the public forum.

[8:40] There's a little bit of an of a nuance

[8:44] here. I'm sure that some of you folks

[8:46] are here to to talk about the Manglesson

[8:49] annexation and uh also the uh general

[8:53] plan for the east side.

[8:55] Uh what uh what I would like to do since

[8:58] that's on the the agenda that doesn't

[9:01] allow you to do this in in the public

[9:03] forum. So uh please do not use the

[9:05] public forum at this point in time for

[9:07] that. Although this is not going to be a

[9:09] public hearing that's already happened.

[9:12] Uh when it comes to number item number

[9:14] four and number five, uh we'll have uh

[9:17] Michael present those to us and then

[9:21] we'll maybe even have a little bit of

[9:23] council discussions if any, but then we would like to hear from uh although

[9:29] we don't have time enough to have to

[9:30] hear every one of you, I'd like if you

[9:33] would uh those that to that are against

[9:36] this, please have a spokesman for you uh

[9:40] and and then we'd come up and and have

[9:42] you come up and talk to the the council

[9:44] and the others here in attendance. We'll do that for roughly three to five

[9:49] minutes and if there's anybody that is

[9:51] for that then we'll afford them the same

[9:53] opportunity.

[9:55] This this is a little bit out of the

[9:57] ordinary because we've already had a

[9:59] public hearing but willing to go ahead

[10:01] and and do that to to make sure that

[10:03] your concerns are heard. So, we'll go

[10:06] ahead and uh with that disclaimer for

[10:08] the uh uh public forum, we'll like to

[10:11] hear from those other than the concerns

[10:13] about the annexation and the zone

[10:15] change.

[10:18] Is there anyone would like to address

[10:20] this in the public forum?

[10:23] >> Tristan.

[10:34] Uh, good evening. My name is Tristan

[10:35] Porter. Um, I am, uh, I was invited here

[10:39] by Connie Ericson to, uh, talk to you

[10:41] about participating in something called

[10:43] the Mayor's Monarch Program. Um, it is a

[10:47] program that is, uh, run by the National

[10:50] Wildlife Federation that helps uh, local

[10:53] governments and communities uh,

[10:55] participate in uh, butterfly and

[10:57] pollinator conservation. Um,

[11:02] sorry, a little bit nervous. Um,

[11:07] so what it is is, um, you pick three

[11:10] action items from a list of about 90

[11:12] items that, um, fit with, uh, the city

[11:16] goals or policies that you may have. Um,

[11:19] and then you pledge to, uh, take action

[11:22] with these three items. Um, and they can

[11:25] range from anything from

[11:27] um, like removing milkweed as a noxious

[11:31] plant if that is in your city

[11:32] ordinances. It can be creating

[11:35] pollinator habitat. Um,

[11:38] which it sounds like you're kind of

[11:39] already doing with your with your

[11:41] forbase trail program. Um, it can be uh

[11:44] just like announcing to the public that

[11:47] um, monarchs are in danger. They've lost

[11:49] 99% of their population since the '9s.

[11:53] Um, and there are ways that they can

[11:55] help. Um, I discovered this program

[11:59] after I put a bunch of wild flowers in a

[12:02] dirt patch in my backyard. Um, and I've

[12:04] just been like talking to my friends

[12:06] about it, hence uh how I ended up here.

[12:10] Um, but there are a lot of benefits

[12:11] beyond just uh preserving a keystone

[12:14] species. Um about 80 87% of the people

[12:19] I've talked to have told me that seeing

[12:21] butterflies uh would improve their

[12:23] mental health. It would make them

[12:24] happier. Uh they would be more likely to

[12:27] spend more time outside and therefore be

[12:29] more active if there were pollinators

[12:31] and butterflies around for them to

[12:33] observe and interact with. um creating

[12:36] habitat for pollinators um actually can

[12:40] help um reduce the amount of water a

[12:43] city uses if you uh plant native plants

[12:46] that are drought tolerant which um most

[12:48] of the ones that monarchs require in

[12:50] Utah um will do that for you. Um

[12:55] it can have other economic benefits.

[12:57] Butterflies are actually very um big in

[13:00] like tourism can if you have enough

[13:05] Um

[13:06] and uh involving the community in this

[13:10] because it is a community project um can

[13:13] help uh create community cohesion and

[13:15] give people a sense of pride in the

[13:17] place that they live as well. Um,

[13:20] so

[13:22] I would just uh invite you to learn

[13:25] about the mayor's monarch program um and

[13:28] to see if there are any action items

[13:31] that would fit with uh the city of PAC's

[13:34] vision for the future. Um and take the

[13:36] pledge if you are able. Thank you,

[13:38] >> Tristan. Thank you. Uh Robert or Dave,

[13:41] could you get her contact info and we

[13:42] just follow up and see if that's

[13:44] something we want to put on our radar?

[13:47] Okay. Anyone else like to come up and

[13:50] speak with us? So,

[13:52] Teresa, you wanted to, right?

[14:04] » Good evening. My name is Teresa Howie

[14:07] and I represent the Betnique Company of

[14:10] the Daughters of Utah Pioneers in this

[14:12] area. And um we have a presentation we'd

[14:17] like to make to you as the city and a

[14:20] little bit of history if you don't mind.

[14:23] Um

[14:24] I represent my great great great

[14:28] greatgrandfather

[14:31] James Pace who founded this city of PAC.

[14:36] And I did not know that until I moved

[14:38] here. And it took me a couple years

[14:40] before I found that out. So, I've done a

[14:42] lot of research on him and I feel like

[14:46] we need to let new people coming into

[14:48] our city know what is the foundation of

[14:51] our city. So, I'd like to give you just

[14:53] a very brief history of what he did and

[14:55] why he deserves to be a little more

[14:59] publicized.

[15:01] So, um, James Pace served as a

[15:04] lieutenant commander in the Mormon

[15:06] Battalion, and when he got done with

[15:08] that, he led 50 families and wagons here

[15:11] to Salt Lake. He had only just res

[15:15] arrived in Salt Lake in September of 18

[15:18] um, 51 when Brigham Young said, "Don't

[15:21] stop here. you're going to go 60 miles

[15:23] south and you're going to settle on the

[15:25] Petite Nate Creek and start a community

[15:28] there because there's this beautiful

[15:30] valley. So when he arrived, he saw a

[15:34] valley that was filled with sunflowers,

[15:36] cottonwoods, aspens, lots of grass, and

[15:39] it was a very fertile valley and

[15:41] everyone was so happy to be there after

[15:43] their long journey.

[15:45] So they continued to uh settle. They had

[15:48] 16 settlers in that first party that

[15:50] came. One of them was AJ Stewart and JC

[15:54] Surl and there with them there were just

[15:58] 16. But Brigham Young continued to send

[16:00] other settlers to Petite Neat. In March

[16:03] of 1852, less than a few months later,

[16:07] Brighgam came and made James Pace

[16:09] president and Benjamin Cross Bishop. It

[16:13] was then that Brigham named the

[16:15] settlement Pac

[16:17] and his son William. They changed the

[16:20] spelling from P A C E N to P A Y S O N

[16:25] because they thought people would

[16:26] remember it easier.

[16:29] A petition was sent to the Utah

[16:31] territory to be recognized as a city.

[16:34] However, it was not granted until

[16:36] January 21st of 1853.

[16:41] At that time, just a few months later,

[16:43] um James was called on a mission to

[16:45] England in September of 1852.

[16:48] And he was gone for three years and

[16:50] three months, leaving his wife, Lucinda,

[16:53] who became the first female post

[16:57] mistress in Utah. And she did that the

[17:00] entire time that he was gone. After he

[17:03] came back, um he was a marshall for a

[17:05] while for PAC and then he had the

[17:08] opportunity to go to Spring Lake and he

[17:10] helped build the dam for Spring Lake and

[17:12] then he later bought land there and

[17:15] started to farm there. So he rented out

[17:18] his property here in PAC. Um later after

[17:22] he just got that all built, he built a

[17:24] 40 room adobe house on Spring Lake which

[17:26] he shared with uh Benjamin Johnson later

[17:29] sold it to him and he worked in farming

[17:34] and businesses and did a lot of things

[17:36] around here. And then lo and behold,

[17:38] Brigham Y said, "You're really good in

[17:40] farming, but I need you to go down to

[17:41] St. George and start with with cotton

[17:44] and grapes and rice that we've never had

[17:47] grown in this land." So he moved to him

[17:51] his three wives and went down there. He

[17:54] had a total of 24 children with three

[17:56] wives. I am a direct descendant of his

[17:59] first wife, Lucinda Strickland, who was

[18:02] the first post mistress. Um there are

[18:05] several descendants that still live here

[18:07] in PAC with the last name of Pace. I'm

[18:09] sure you've heard that around. I find

[18:11] them every once in a while. But we would

[18:14] like to recognize all the efforts that

[18:16] started this community that were not

[18:18] only the sunflowers

[18:20] as far as you could see but have become

[18:23] the thriving city of PAC.

[18:26] This picture

[18:39] is James Pace and his wife Lucinda.

[18:43] I owe it to my dear friend Rose Nyman

[18:47] who works at the family history center

[18:49] for taking a very blurry black and white

[18:51] picture that I had and fixing it to be

[18:54] this beautiful picture that we could be

[18:56] proud to display in the lobby of the

[18:58] city building. Uh this is his wife

[19:00] Lucinda. U she's not in her right frame.

[19:03] They didn't get the framing done on

[19:05] that. [laughter] I'd like to say thank

[19:07] you to Kelly Morris for doing the

[19:08] framing on this picture down on Main

[19:11] Street and we are going to make a copy

[19:15] in our museum here. Um we'd like to put

[19:21] a sign underneath there which grading

[19:24] takes a little bit longer than framing

[19:26] so that is still in process. Um but we'd

[19:30] like something that would indicate who

[19:32] he was and what he did and where we

[19:34] could where people can find out a little

[19:36] bit more about our beginning history,

[19:38] which is down the hallway that nobody

[19:41] knows where it's at. So, we'd like a

[19:43] little sign maybe to go down the hallway

[19:46] so that people could come and learn more

[19:48] about our our our town in the early

[19:52] days. There's a lot of premium artifacts

[19:55] in there. And the second thing that we

[19:58] wanted to call to your attention was I

[20:01] get a lot of complaints about the

[20:02] condition of the little cabin out there

[20:04] on the city lot. It's ugly. Sorry, I

[20:07] have to say that. But um

[20:10] >> don't disagree with you.

[20:12] >> Salt Lake has asked us that we would

[20:14] find someone who was qualified in as a

[20:17] contractor. Hello. To evaluate it and

[20:20] see if it's even worth repairing and how

[20:23] much that cost would be for us because

[20:25] us old ladies, we don't know anything

[20:27] about that. Okay. And then plan B is one

[20:32] I came up with because uh there's a lot

[20:34] of wasps out there, but there is a nice

[20:36] plant and there's a nice stone

[20:39] fireplace.

[20:40] If the wood part cannot be fixed, we

[20:44] could use the rock fireplace to mount

[20:47] the plaque on and that would be a

[20:50] monument that would not require the

[20:52] upkeep that a wood cabin would. So, I'm

[20:56] we're just open to suggestions of what

[20:58] maybe the city could help us with. We

[21:00] plan on going around to all of the DUP

[21:03] monuments that are in the city, the ones

[21:05] in Memorial Park here, and wherever else

[21:08] they are around the outside. And we are

[21:11] going we're planning on cleaning them

[21:13] and making them presentable so that

[21:14] people can read about the history. Um, I

[21:19] have people every day that ask me if we

[21:21] have room in our museum to put more

[21:23] things they would like to donate. We

[21:25] don't if you've been down there, but if

[21:28] any of you haven't ever been to our

[21:29] museum, we'd like to invite you to come

[21:30] down for a tour because you really Salt

[21:33] Lake was very impressed with what we

[21:35] had. So, um that being said, um I'd like

[21:39] to give you a little memorial just to

[21:42] remind you of our Pioneer heritage. So,

[21:46] these are little um Pioneer dolls. Men

[21:49] won't like them, but give them to your

[21:50] kids.

[21:50] >> Thank you. Or kids, whatever.

[21:56] Thank you.

[21:58] >> Sorry. Anyway, these are handmade and

[22:00] they're very easy for children to make.

[22:04] » So, with that being said, I'd like to

[22:06] close with this final statement

[22:09] is preserve our past

[22:11] more forward so that we can move forward

[22:15] to our future. They don't know the past.

[22:17] They're not going to do very well in the

[22:20] future. So, I appreciate the time you

[22:22] gave to us.

[22:24] And if you could let us know about the

[22:26] cabin, we'd appreciate it. And I am

[22:29] leaving it up to Steve to mount this.

[22:32] It's ready to be mounted.

[22:33] >> Okay.

[22:34] >> This one we're going to finish framing

[22:36] it.

[22:38] >> Can you leave a copy of what you just

[22:40] read to us?

[22:41] >> Okay.

[22:43] >> Robert, will you get her contact

[22:45] information so I can get back?

[22:46] >> Thank you.

[22:49] >> Teresa, thank you so much. You've done

[22:51] so much work for this and we really appreciate it.

[22:55] >> You're exactly right. If we don't know

[22:56] our past, we our future's in question.

[22:59] >> And Teresa, you know what they say, the

[23:00] first wife's always the favorite. So,

[23:02] I'm glad you came from that line.

[23:05] [crying]

[23:08] » Is that a precursor, Ryan, of something

[23:09] to come? [laughter]

[23:11] >> Better not be. [clears throat]

[23:13] >> Thank you for your comments.

[23:15] >> Yes. Thank you so much. It's really neat

[23:17] to see that picture uh so updated. It's

[23:21] really cool.

[23:37] » Okay. Anyone else like to address this

[23:40] in this public forum?

[23:45] Okay. Not seeing anyone at this time.

[23:47] Anybody online, Emily?

[23:50] No. Okay, we'll move on number four to

[23:54] staff reports.

[24:00] Okay, Chief, come on up. Scott.

[24:03] >> Yep.

[24:05] >> Chief, what is he? Chief. Chief Scott.

[24:09] >> Chief Scott.

[24:11] >> Sounds good. Um, mayor and counselor was

[24:14] just one of the gave you a little report

[24:17] um on the fire station. Things are

[24:18] moving forward. Um we had the permit to

[24:22] do the grubbing and ground work. Um

[24:24] they've been bringing in fill to bring

[24:25] up the the site to a proper elevation.

[24:28] So we'll be just about a foot higher

[24:30] than the roads so we don't have to worry

[24:32] about any flooding or anything. Um

[24:34] they're going to be putting in starting

[24:35] Monday, Tuesday time frame, putting in

[24:37] geops will be quite a few of those. as

[24:39] we're working to get a pre-construction

[24:42] meeting um going. There's a couple of

[24:44] little things they've got to finish on

[24:45] the site plan um for corrections or

[24:48] clarifications, but things are moving

[24:49] forward. Seeing a lot of work um

[24:52] happening out there for both the station

[24:53] and also the park area. So things are

[24:56] looking good. So finally nice to see

[24:58] some work happening there. So thank you

[25:00] for all your help on it.

[25:02] >> So Chief, when when when do you

[25:03] anticipate expected completion? um once

[25:06] we get going about a year is what their

[25:08] time frame is.

[25:09] >> So, when are we getting going? So,

[25:11] what's what's your best guess?

[25:12] >> I'm I'm hoping it'll be done by Labor

[25:13] Day of next year, but we'll see.

[25:15] >> Labor Day of next year. Okay.

[25:17] >> I hope.

[25:18] >> Okay.

[25:19] >> Don't hold me to [laughter] it.

[25:20] >> Be nice to have an open house for

[25:22] >> It would during Labor Day.

[25:24] >> So, we're waiting for them to do the the

[25:26] uh uh site work and the peers and after

[25:28] they do that, then we'll we'll get a

[25:30] date for a groundbreaking. Um, but they

[25:33] want to get that stuff cleared and ready

[25:35] to go first. Um, we also have to uh cap

[25:38] a well that went with the home there.

[25:39] So, it's pretty costly to cap a well,

[25:42] but um we're getting that done too

[25:44] hopefully the Friday.

[25:45] >> Okay.

[25:46] >> So,

[25:46] >> thanks Chief.

[25:47] >> Thank you.

[25:55] I'll jump really quick and say um

[26:00] he might talk about this, but Council

[26:01] Member Rolley and I and uh Sean Black

[26:05] were able to go and see some really cool technology last week. um uh

[26:10] cutting edge uh power generation

[26:13] technology that uh there are very few

[26:16] times in my life when I felt like oh I I

[26:17] got to see something really cool that's

[26:19] going to change uh the way the way

[26:22] things work in this world and and I got

[26:24] that opportunity. So uh linear

[26:26] generation look it up and check it out.

[26:29] It's really cool. Um

[26:33] council public we are tminus two weeks

[26:37] to onion days. Uh, and I just wanted to give a quick plug. Uh, we've been

[26:42] working really hard to get our concert

[26:45] all in order. We had an update today and

[26:47] Aaron Watson will be coming. Uh, the

[26:49] show is going to be amazing. Um, band

[26:52] and singer, everything. So, uh, I'd

[26:55] encourage you all to to put that on your

[26:57] calendar to attend that at the petite

[26:58] meet. Uh and then um for those of you uh

[27:02] I know that Janine gave some marching

[27:04] orders to sign up for uh the onion days

[27:08] uh assignments. If you if you missed

[27:10] that or whatever, uh let me know and I

[27:13] will we have space for you. I promise.

[27:16] So uh we're just so excited uh for Onion

[27:19] Days this year and want to invite the

[27:21] community to participate in that. So

[27:23] thanks everybody.

[27:23] >> Will will the parade route be uh

[27:26] available? The parade route will be

[27:28] available. Uh it will be paved and then

[27:32] work will continue after Labor Day. So

[27:37] >> I think it's safe to say ho High Water

[27:39] is not going to stop that.

[27:41] >> Might be walking through wet asphalt,

[27:43] but we're doing it.

[27:46] >> Okay. Any other staff?

[27:53] having our first.

[27:56] >> Oh, good. Thank you. It's nice to know.

[28:00] Okay, we'll move off of staff reports

[28:03] and go to council reports. We'll start

[28:05] with council ris. Oh,

[28:08] >> I didn't see you.

[28:09] >> Donna's online.

[28:10] >> That was Donna. Well,

[28:11] >> Travis is gonna come up, too.

[28:12] >> Yeah,

[28:13] >> Donna.

[28:15] I guess you wait for Travis and then

[28:18] we'll we won't forget you. Oh, I don't

[28:20] want to wait for Travis. Just kidding.

[28:22] >> He's already He's already up to it.

[28:23] >> Oh,

[28:26] >> we'll get to you.

[28:28] >> Uh, mayor and council, it's my great

[28:30] privilege to introduce you to Joshua

[28:31] Reed Head. Josh, if you could stand up.

[28:34] Uh, so tonight we're having you appoint

[28:37] him as the city engineer. Robert Melanie

[28:39] and I interviewed him and we made the

[28:41] offer and he graciously accepted

[28:43] obviously with the contingent that you

[28:45] guys approve this position. So, um, he's

[28:49] a BYU graduate and I didn't hold that

[28:52] against him with Anders. [laughter]

[28:55] [clears throat]

[28:55] >> That's in his favor, tell you.

[28:56] >> But I don't know if you have any

[28:57] questions or you want him to come up and

[28:58] introduce himself. Whatever you guys

[29:00] want to do, but

[29:01] >> I know we have an action on him as well.

[29:04] So,

[29:05] >> I'd love if he'd come.

[29:06] >> Come on.

[29:06] >> Introduce yourself. That'd be awesome.

[29:08] >> Tell us about your family and who you

[29:10] are.

[29:11] Maybe

[29:14] » everybody has it. It's I have a family,

[29:18] but [laughter and clears throat] yeah.

[29:19] Um yeah, I uh born and raised here in

[29:22] Utah Valley, Springville, most my life.

[29:25] Um and married a wonderful woman from

[29:30] Arizona and live here with our four kids

[29:32] here in Springville. Well, in

[29:34] Springville, we're renting. We love it

[29:37] down here, though. and uh um super

[29:41] grateful for this opportunity. Uh Sean,

[29:44] one of your linemen, is my

[29:46] brother-in-law and he uh really

[29:48] encouraged me to to look into this

[29:51] position. I I wasn't necessarily

[29:53] looking, but I'm very grateful um that

[29:56] he he gave me a little nudge, a few

[29:58] nudges, and uh uh if it all works out, I

[30:04] think it'll be a wonderful opportunity

[30:05] to me to serve the city of Pace. I I'm

[30:07] in uh private consulting now and there's a whole lot more heart in uh

[30:14] working working with you guys for for

[30:17] Pacin City.

[30:19] >> Um

[30:20] but yeah, uh that that's me in a

[30:23] nutshell.

[30:24] >> Let's exchange that if it works out to

[30:26] when it works out. It will work out.

[30:28] >> Thank you.

[30:30] >> Thanks for being here. Remind us your

[30:32] name one more time. Uh

[30:33] >> Josh Reedhead.

[30:34] Yes, sir. Excellent.

[30:37] Okay. Thank you.

[30:38] >> Thank you.

[30:42] >> Okay.

[30:42] >> Hi, Mayor. I thought you'd moved on to

[30:43] the next item. So, that's

[30:45] >> it's okay. We when we come to that item,

[30:47] we'll just not worry about calling you

[30:50] up and we'll we'll make that action.

[30:53] Okay. Uh, Donna,

[30:57] >> hey. I just um wanted to let the council

[31:00] know that our Candace Hope, our um one

[31:05] of our librarians here, was awarded um

[31:08] librarian of the month through Bywater,

[31:10] which is our the support system. It's our system for our catalog and

[31:18] everything and our website. She um she's

[31:22] worked really close with them since we

[31:26] um what's the word? We migrated to them

[31:28] in 2016 and she was she's been um at the forefront of everything we've

[31:34] done here at the library technologically

[31:36] with help. I mean Dale obviously but um

[31:39] and Jason have been so great but Candace

[31:41] really carries the the weight of it here

[31:43] at the library. and she was awarded that

[31:45] through by water because they've also

[31:48] highlighted her website several times.

[31:50] She's just done a really good job and I

[31:51] just wanted to make sure she got

[31:53] recognized and she also does the onion

[31:55] day booklet for anybody who thinks how

[31:58] great the onion day booklet goes. That

[31:59] that's that's Candace also. So I just

[32:02] wanted to make sure she got highlighted

[32:04] for that. Thanks.

[32:07] >> Thank you, Donna. That that's wonderful

[32:09] news to to hear and glad you shared that

[32:11] with us.

[32:13] Okay. Any other staff?

[32:17] If not, we'll move on to council. As I

[32:20] was stating, we'll go to with council

[32:21] provos guard.

[32:23] >> Um

[32:25] yeah, I I've got a couple things

[32:27] exciting. Um, I've been working with a

[32:30] lot of department head, Robert and Dave,

[32:32] uh, with several projects, several

[32:35] items, and I'm just I'm just pleased

[32:38] with the positive,

[32:40] uh, the way they're willing to help, the

[32:42] way they're willing to make suggestions

[32:43] on resources and what have you. So,

[32:46] you'd pass that on to each of them.

[32:49] They're just wonderful. Um,

[32:52] beautifification committee continues to

[32:53] roll forward. Uh we have another project

[32:57] if you would like to join us on uh the

[33:00] 29th, Saturday the 29th at 7 a.m. We are

[33:04] going to tackle

[33:06] the north interchange

[33:08] uh weeds.

[33:12] [laughter] I know uh we're excited to jump in and get that

[33:17] ready for Labor Day. Uh there is

[33:19] initiative for all of you that are here

[33:22] with the beautifification committee that

[33:24] we are pushing through uh the different

[33:27] churches not only the LDS church but

[33:30] we've had contact with all five others

[33:35] if they reported at beautifification

[33:37] committee. So uh look for the future of

[33:40] some some projects uh that we've

[33:43] identified as a beautifification

[33:45] committee and as a city council. Uh

[33:48] we've also sent a letter out to several

[33:50] residents uh asking that they

[33:55] uh beautify their yards with with things

[33:58] that are not in ordinance such as too

[34:02] many parked cars, uh overgrown noxious

[34:05] weeds and what have you. We had a report

[34:08] by the chief that all of the letters

[34:10] that we sent to the businesses, probably

[34:13] about 90% of them have done uh something

[34:17] uh positive and even even the residents

[34:21] that we've sent letters to there's uh

[34:23] there's always one or two negative but

[34:25] for the most part they've been received

[34:27] very well. So excited to be part of the

[34:30] beautifification committee and the ideas

[34:31] and things that they're rolling forward

[34:34] on. Um

[34:36] thank you Moss.

[34:40] >> Um I have a couple things. Um, a couple

[34:44] weeks ago I had the opportunity to serve

[34:47] at my third salmon supper and it was

[34:49] amazing and it was so much fun and the

[34:52] salmon is the best in the world and met

[34:55] a ton of people. I even had somebody say

[34:57] they had just gotten back from Alaska

[35:00] and had salmon up there and our salmon

[35:02] was better. Um, just it was just

[35:06] amazing. It's always amazing to me to

[35:08] meet so many people that come to that have connection to Pacin in some

[35:14] way or another and it's an it's a great

[35:17] community event and I look forward to

[35:18] the next one. And Chief Spencer, did you

[35:20] ever find out how much salmon we served?

[35:28] » Wow. And how many people how many

[35:31] tickets did we sell?

[35:36] That's amazing.

[35:38] And I I just love this tradition. And on

[35:42] another note, another tradition, Onion

[35:44] Days, is coming up. And I'm so excited.

[35:45] And it's just so neat to have have our

[35:48] founders pictures right here. And I

[35:51] wonder if they ever even imagined

[35:54] how much influence Pacin would have and

[35:57] how how many people have a connection to

[36:00] PAC and go out into the world and then

[36:01] come back for things like the salmon

[36:03] supper or onion days. And it's just an

[36:05] amazing thing to honor our forebears. So

[36:09] thank you so much Teresa for doing that.

[36:12] And that's all I've got.

[36:13] >> I don't thanks. I don't generally say

[36:15] anything with when it comes to council

[36:17] reports, but this time I will because of

[36:19] our name Pac. Uh I had just happened to

[36:23] be downtown uh and noticed a husband and

[36:26] a wife and their daughter enjoying our

[36:28] main street. Uh and so I approached

[36:31] them, asked them how how they liked what

[36:33] we done. They absolutely loved it. They

[36:35] were from Springville. They had never

[36:37] been down Main Street before.

[36:40] And uh so I I talked to him about how

[36:43] Pacin got its name, James Pace and his

[36:47] son, and uh told him that story. And it

[36:50] just so happens,

[36:53] and I'm I'm glad I stopped and talk to

[36:54] him, their daughter's name is Pac. They

[36:57] named her Pac. And they they were glad

[37:01] to know the history of how that name

[37:03] came to be. So we are proud of uh our

[37:06] founder and and our name.

[37:09] Okay, go ahead.

[37:11] >> Thanks, Mayor. I want to thank uh all of

[37:13] the staff and especially the residents

[37:14] that are here tonight. It's so wonderful

[37:16] to see a packed house. This is

[37:17] beautiful. Thank you for coming, for

[37:19] caring enough about our community to

[37:21] show up. I'm so grateful for the

[37:22] Daughters of the Utah Pioneers and for

[37:24] your work. Uh my grandmother was a was a proud product and believer in that

[37:29] organization. And so I helped set up

[37:31] many of tables and chairs as a youth for lunches and dinners for the

[37:34] Daughters of the Utah Pioneers.

[37:37] grateful for our pioneer heritage in

[37:39] this in this valley in this area. Want

[37:41] to update the the the council and staff

[37:44] and mayor a little bit on on South Utah

[37:46] Valley Power Systems. Um we're about to

[37:49] complete our transmission line through

[37:51] Spanish Fork and uh just a little

[37:53] education everyone. We are we are one of

[37:55] the owners of the South Utah Valley

[37:56] Power Systems along with Spanish Fork,

[37:59] Salem, Springville, and Strawberry

[38:01] Electric District SCSD. Uh so we're having a lot of catching up to do

[38:06] to provide the needed power to to so

[38:08] many residents uh that comes from the overusage of uh of us charging

[38:14] everything now and uh and using so much

[38:16] power and I'm grateful to see that

[38:18] project moving forward. As Robert

[38:20] mentioned, we we traveled and went and

[38:21] saw some linear generators that uh

[38:23] Robert truly encapsulated how I felt

[38:25] too. That was that was one of those

[38:27] times you sit back and think, "Wow, this

[38:28] might change the world of of generation.

[38:31] It can run on any type of fuel without

[38:33] changing anything. The only there's only

[38:35] a few wearable parts on it and you could

[38:38] stand next to this generator and have a

[38:40] conversation. It was extremely quiet and

[38:43] uh and it's clean as well. So, this was

[38:45] a really really neat thing. And so,

[38:46] we're looking into this. And I will

[38:49] never promise residents something I I

[38:51] can't uphold. I I'm not going to sit and

[38:53] promise you that utility rates will

[38:54] never go up because that's a fallacy.

[38:56] But what I can promise you is that we're

[38:58] doing everything in conjunction with our

[38:59] power director to make sure that PAC

[39:01] city power produces enough for our

[39:03] residents at a very viable rate and and

[39:07] a rate that we can hopefully sustain and

[39:09] keep level for years to come as we have

[39:11] some short-term pain for hopefully some

[39:13] long-term gain to lever out these level

[39:15] out these prior these uh these power

[39:17] costs with this new technology.

[39:19] So thankful for the salmon supper.

[39:21] Chief, tell uh tell tell your

[39:23] firefighters thank you so much for

[39:24] serving us. That was a hot day. 100°

[39:27] outside plus the fires and them carting

[39:29] the fish back and forth. And I'm so

[39:31] bummed to hear that we sold all those

[39:33] tickets. They're so hard to get and then

[39:34] 200 people don't show up. Oh my

[39:37] goodness. We did run out of salmon so we

[39:39] started serving carp from Utah Lake.

[39:41] That was a big hit.

[39:43] >> Don't start that rumor.

[39:45] >> No, we we had plenty of salmon. It was a great event. as we continue to

[39:49] grow in pace and it's so important that

[39:51] we maintain those those kinds of events

[39:53] the band concerts the salmon supper

[39:55] onion days to keep our small town flavor

[39:58] and uh thank you chief for the update on

[40:00] the fire station and park that's also

[40:02] coming in next to it and then for bay

[40:04] committee I'm grateful for your

[40:06] presentation I love the forbay committee

[40:08] thanks to the mayor and council for for

[40:10] helping get that conservation easement

[40:11] across the line in a hundred years we

[40:13] can look back and that looks the same as

[40:15] it does now so thank you all so much

[40:18] that's all I have Mayor.

[40:19] >> Okay, Council Smith.

[40:21] >> Um, I'm going to reiterate some of what

[40:24] others have said, but this was my first

[40:27] salmon supper serving and attending.

[40:31] So, I've said that serving has actually

[40:34] gotten me more involved in the events of

[40:37] town. And so, um, but I have to give a

[40:40] shout out to Lieutenant CPPley of the

[40:42] police department. Hopefully, someone

[40:44] can pass it on to him.

[40:46] I almost passed out a few times. It was

[40:49] so hot. And he made sure I had plenty of

[40:53] water and he checked on me and he

[40:55] offered to come in in his uniform and

[40:56] serve for me. And so he was just

[40:59] incredibly awesome that he just made

[41:02] sure that I was okay. Um

[41:05] I am excited for onion days and I've

[41:08] already got my whole calendar full. So I

[41:10] hope everyone is excited for that.

[41:13] And then the two things I wanted to

[41:15] follow up on. Um, have we had any

[41:19] movement with the Tabitha wave bin

[41:22] request? Those mattresses outside are

[41:25] quite aesthetically pleasing.

[41:30] I would love to know who dropped them.

[41:33] Yeah. So, that was my first. If we could

[41:36] get a followup on that. Um, the second

[41:39] is kind of going back to Ryan's talking

[41:42] about the power. I am excited about the

[41:46] UAP's convention to learn more. Um, and

[41:50] Sean's great at answering things, but

[41:52] curious where we are of the

[41:56] information we were going to provide for

[41:58] residents to kind of break down

[42:00] everything cuz there was another thing

[42:02] that came up the other day and I had to

[42:04] reach out to Sean and we found an

[42:06] inconsistency of what it's called on the

[42:07] bills. So, just

[42:10] >> I think it was in regards to solar,

[42:12] correct?

[42:12] >> But then found out everyone's charged

[42:14] it's named something different on your

[42:16] bill. So, and then I didn't even it

[42:19] didn't even pull up on my bill, but it's

[42:20] built in. So,

[42:22] >> thanks for following up on that.

[42:24] >> Um, we've been compiling all all of that

[42:27] information.

[42:28] >> Okay.

[42:29] >> Trying to get all of it

[42:32] >> in a way that is actually

[42:33] representational, okay? An apples to

[42:35] apples comparison because some of the

[42:38] information that our other sister cities

[42:39] published maybe put them in a better

[42:42] light than they really are. So, we're read we're going through all of

[42:46] that and then we'll update all of you.

[42:47] >> Okay.

[42:48] >> Thanks for following up.

[42:49] >> Yeah. But that's it. So, just thanks to

[42:51] everyone.

[42:53] >> Thanks, Lacy.

[42:56] >> Okay.

[42:58] We'll go ahead and we'll we won't call

[43:00] you up, Travis, but this next is

[43:04] [laughter]

[43:04] >> okay.

[43:04] >> I'll apologize. I got you resolution.

[43:07] >> Two and a half months of doing both

[43:08] jobs. I got too excited.

[43:09] >> That's okay.

[43:11] uh appointment of a new city engineer.

[43:13] So Tra any any discussion council?

[43:17] I said not if when. So I I I'll stand

[43:20] with that.

[43:21] >> I'm excited for Travis to have another

[43:23] engineer to geek out with.

[43:25] >> Oh yeah, it'll be good.

[43:27] >> That's all.

[43:28] >> Okay. Unless there's any any more

[43:30] discussion regarding

[43:31] >> Just to be clear, this is this is

[43:32] filling a vacancy. This is not the

[43:34] creation of a new

[43:35] >> That's right. Exactly. Yep.

[43:38] >> Yeah. And a badly needed one. Yes. So,

[43:41] okay, then I'm ready for a motion on

[43:43] this item.

[43:45] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the

[43:48] appointment of our new city engineer.

[43:51] >> Is there a second?

[43:52] >> I'll second that.

[43:53] >> Okay, it's been motioned and seconded.

[43:56] Roll call vote starting with council

[43:57] guard.

[43:58] >> Yes.

[43:59] >> Council Mos,

[43:59] >> yes.

[44:00] >> Council Rolley,

[44:00] >> yes.

[44:01] >> Council Smith,

[44:02] >> yes.

[44:03] >> Welcome.

[44:03] >> Yep.

[44:04] >> You're in.

[44:05] >> Do we need to get a picture? Did you

[44:06] mention somebody mentioned a picture?

[44:09] Love a picture. Let's do a picture.

[44:12] >> Josh, come on up.

[44:40] You won't be able to see your

[44:43] >> number

[44:49] one.

[45:10] Okay, we'll go on to number two.

[45:12] Ordinance amendment to the Pace City

[45:14] Code title 11 chapter 16 cemetery.

[45:18] Uh Tracy's now who's going to present

[45:20] that? Dave, you are?

[45:21] >> Yeah.

[45:23] >> Yes. Sorry. Tracy was planning on this,

[45:25] but he had some PGA meetings out of

[45:28] state, so he asked that we take care of

[45:31] it. I do have Derek here. Derek, why

[45:33] don't you come up? Derek's our sexton.

[45:36] He's put a lot of work into this since

[45:38] he was appointed uh to that position,

[45:40] and they've they've

[45:44] looked at several cities. They've talked

[45:46] to many of the mortuaries that we deal

[45:48] with and tried to make our ordinance uh

[45:54] better representative of how the how we

[45:55] do business down there. I don't know if

[45:57] you have anything to say on the

[45:59] contents, but and and you've had it in

[46:01] your your packet if you've had a chance

[46:04] to read it, but we're we're we're

[46:06] renaming a baby land to what was that? I

[46:10] just forgot.

[46:12] Um,

[46:13] >> Angelard,

[46:13] >> Angel Yeah,

[46:14] >> Angel Gardens.

[46:15] We're just updating how

[46:18] we do things. We're We're hoping in the

[46:20] next year or so to have a a cremation

[46:23] wall uh to to help um the residents that want to do that. So, so I feel like

[46:30] the biggest part of what we did here was

[46:32] there was a lot of of monument companies

[46:35] when they brought stones. There was

[46:37] issues of how and when and where they

[46:40] put them. We just made it simplified for

[46:42] them and we're trying to make it

[46:44] simplified for them of of paying online

[46:47] as well as like when when to meet and

[46:50] all that. So, a lot of the ordinance

[46:52] stuff change was more to like for the

[46:54] headstones and more for the the skirts

[46:57] of the headstones more for

[47:00] more to help the community as well.

[47:01] There was a few few times that like

[47:03] someone wanted to build a headstone and

[47:05] it wasn't up to what they wanted. So we

[47:08] expanded it a little bit, made it so

[47:10] that they could get what they wanted is

[47:12] basically what we did with with the

[47:13] ordinance. So

[47:17] >> yeah, and as I read through it, it

[47:18] looked good. And I I think it gives you

[47:19] some some autonomy to work with families

[47:21] as well, which is which is really good.

[47:23] And also streamlining of of making it

[47:25] simpler as these families are grieving

[47:27] already. I'd hate for the cemetery to be

[47:29] one more thing they have to worry about

[47:31] and stress out about. So I was glad to

[47:32] see this is streamlined, made easier for

[47:34] everybody. And we have we have updated

[47:38] Bobby has been working [snorts] hard.

[47:39] She's she's she works part-time in the

[47:41] front office. They would love to have

[47:43] her full-time, but she's been working on

[47:46] updating and and people can come in,

[47:49] take every get everything done. They

[47:51] they'll meet with Derek, but then all

[47:53] the payments are run through the front

[47:55] office here and Bobby and it just it

[47:57] streams like streams lineing things and

[47:59] makes sure that we don't have any issues

[48:01] that way. So, our recommendation, if the

[48:04] council's comfortable, is to adopt the

[48:06] amendments to the sanitary ordinance.

[48:09] >> Can I Oh, I was just going to say, is

[48:11] there any discussion?

[48:12] >> I was going to ask just really quick.

[48:14] Um, on the abandonment of rights, then I

[48:18] know it referenced a Utah code section.

[48:21] >> I'll be honest, I didn't look it up, so

[48:23] I just thought I'd ask really quick.

[48:25] >> Do we reach out to the people before

[48:28] like it's abandoned? So what I

[48:30] understand, so that that's our biggest

[48:31] thing is yes, we we aspect like all all

[48:35] resources to try to find who who it

[48:38] belongs to. And we've from what I from

[48:40] what I understand, we've never ever done

[48:43] that really.

[48:43] >> Okay.

[48:44] >> It hasn't ever really been done. There

[48:46] is some issues with the old section of

[48:48] the cemetery. There are there are some

[48:50] records that are lost. Um, that's where

[48:52] Bobby would be a huge benefit to our

[48:55] team is because there's there's old

[48:57] records that she's going through.

[48:59] There's unknowns out. [clears throat]

[49:01] We have names. It sounds bad, but

[49:03] they're out in the street and we're

[49:05] trying to bring them into the old

[49:07] section of the cemetery.

[49:08] >> Oh, wow.

[49:08] >> Because they are there. We just don't

[49:11] know where. And so, we've actually found

[49:13] some records through the county. So,

[49:17] we've been we've been working on a lot

[49:19] of that. So, there's there's some

[49:22] >> history with the the cemetery that that

[49:25] I don't want to mess with the old until

[49:27] we absolutely know 100% who's there,

[49:30] where they're at,

[49:32] >> and that. So,

[49:32] >> and and I'm guessing this is not a

[49:34] unique problem.

[49:35] >> It's not it's it's universal across all

[49:37] cemeteries because because the way that

[49:39] like I've talked to dozens of and back

[49:43] in the day, their record keeping wasn't

[49:45] great, wasn't perfect. Um, during the

[49:48] Great Depression, people would put

[49:50] people into the ground and they would

[49:53] accidentally dig them up because they

[49:54] didn't know they were there. So, there's things that happened in

[49:58] cemeteries that we're trying to do our

[50:00] best to find that.

[50:02] >> Okay.

[50:02] >> Where Bobby would be a huge asset to our

[50:06] team. So,

[50:07] >> okay,

[50:08] >> she is a huge asset.

[50:10] >> That's something we can consider.

[50:11] >> Yeah, we're looking at that with the the

[50:13] next budget year. But,

[50:14] >> yep. But under the state code, there's

[50:16] there are specific provisions you have

[50:18] to do. If if you can't locate them, you

[50:20] have to publish in the paper. And

[50:21] there's there's ways to try to give

[50:23] notice before you take action and take

[50:25] those back.

[50:26] >> Okay. That that was my biggest thing,

[50:28] especially when it came to like the

[50:29] family plot areas. And it just kind of

[50:32] popped in my head like,

[50:33] >> oh, that would be horrible if you

[50:36] someone bought it and then it's gone.

[50:38] And so, okay.

[50:41] >> Okay. Any other discussion?

[50:44] Okay.

[50:45] >> Okay. Lacking any other discussion, I'm ready for a motion on on this

[50:49] ordinance.

[50:49] >> Mayor, [clears throat] go ahead.

[50:51] >> Mayor I motion that we approve the

[50:53] amendment to the Pacin City Code Title

[50:55] 11 Chapter 16 City Cemetery.

[50:58] >> I'll second.

[50:59] >> I have a motion and seconded. Roll call

[51:01] vote. Starting with council Smith.

[51:02] >> Yes.

[51:03] >> Council Rowling.

[51:04] >> Yes.

[51:04] >> Council Moss.

[51:05] >> Yes.

[51:05] >> Council Postgard.

[51:07] >> Yes.

[51:07] >> Okay. Wonderful. Motion carries.

[51:11] Moving to number three, public hearing

[51:13] resolution adopting the amended pace and

[51:15] city fee schedule regarding cemetery

[51:17] fees.

[51:20] >> This part, this is a a proposal to amend

[51:23] uh the fees for the the sal lots. Um

[51:27] Tracy and Bobby

[51:29] um and and Derek

[51:32] I'm trying to move this just for the

[51:35] council's um information went through a

[51:38] lot of the cities in Utah County about

[51:40] what they charge. Um

[51:45] and so I don't know if you've had a ch

[51:47] Well, this wasn't in your packet but

[51:48] here's Pacin City in the blue for a

[51:50] single lot residence 800 non-residents

[51:53] 12. You go over to Santa Quinn, it's 8

[51:56] and 2,000. Salem is 1,00 to 2500.

[52:00] Spanish Forks anywhere from a,000 to,400

[52:03] up to 16 to 2,000. You go across

[52:06] Springville.

[52:07] Um, Pac and Mapleton are probably some

[52:10] of the lower ones. Um, but it's the one

[52:13] that stood out that that

[52:16] Derek and he can speak to this is the

[52:18] non-residents

[52:20] are very low compared to what other

[52:21] cities are doing. And it sounds like

[52:23] we're getting a lot of people

[52:24] non-residents coming here because it's

[52:26] so cheap.

[52:27] >> Yeah. So, it's a huge like since I've

[52:30] been in this position, I've kind of seen

[52:31] that the the non-residents fee is one of

[52:34] the lowest. And so, we do we get a lot

[52:36] of people that are from other cities,

[52:39] even Salt Lake, even somewhere like

[52:42] because their fees are so heavy up there

[52:44] that they come down here.

[52:47] I I I speak highly of the cemetery, but

[52:51] it's probably one of the most prettiest

[52:53] cemeteries in Utah County. If you if you

[52:55] travel cemeteries, it is one of the most

[52:58] pristine, well taken care of, maintained

[53:00] cemeteries. You can go to Spanish, you

[53:02] can go to Sanwin. We put a high standard

[53:05] on it. We really do. We care a lot. So,

[53:08] I I just feel like if if you want to be

[53:10] buried in PAC cemetery and you're a

[53:14] non-resident, you should probably pay

[53:16] equal or somewhat close to other cities

[53:18] non-resident.

[53:20] >> Y I I have one question about that. Uh

[53:23] as I looked at this uh my mind

[53:25] immediately went to people that were

[53:29] born and raised here in PAC were

[53:30] educated

[53:32] um through the school system and then

[53:34] moved away because of employment and now

[53:37] wants to come back here to be buried.

[53:40] Do we treat them as non-resident? Do we

[53:42] treat them as a resident?

[53:45] Good question.

[53:46] >> We we have treated them as non-resident

[53:48] if they've moved and that's that's

[53:50] tough. I I know when I've had discussion

[53:52] with Tracy and Derek, I don't know if

[53:53] you've had that discussion too. It's

[53:56] some cemeteries now a lot of you still

[53:58] do the resident non-resident. Some

[54:00] cemeteries are going away from that.

[54:02] Just put it like in the middle because

[54:04] so [clears throat] you don't have that

[54:06] argument. some people that have lived

[54:07] here their whole life but have to go to

[54:09] a a care center in another town

[54:12] >> or some that have never been a resident

[54:14] and all of a sudden come here. There's

[54:17] just

[54:19] he likes the idea of of just making it

[54:22] one rate for everybody, but I know that

[54:23] there's a there's a reason to have to

[54:26] have your residents have a better break.

[54:28] So, we didn't recommend that.

[54:30] >> I think it's important too we give the

[54:32] section that autonomy to make some of

[54:34] those calls. And also I think I think

[54:36] too with with someone that's lived here

[54:38] for years and years and only moved away

[54:40] to go to a care facility, I would

[54:42] absolutely call them a resident. And I

[54:44] hope we are.

[54:45] >> And we do.

[54:46] >> Um we do usually on those if they're at

[54:49] a care facility for x amount of years,

[54:51] we do. And they've been living here, we consider them a resident for sure.

[54:55] >> What I tell people is so I'm I'm a

[54:57] Spanish for boy raised in Spanish for

[55:00] guess what? I'll probably not be buried

[55:02] in Spanish for so I feel like I'll

[55:06] probably be buried in PAC because now I

[55:09] become a PAC resident. I married a girl

[55:10] from PAC. So I feel like the benefit of

[55:14] living here paying and you know if you

[55:17] move away like I moved away from Spanish

[55:19] for I I doubt I mean I spent my dad was

[55:22] a teacher there for 32 years. They're

[55:25] not going to give me a non-resident fee.

[55:27] I mean they will give me a non-resident

[55:29] fee. So I feel like to give the

[55:32] residents that live here that that's kind of where where I'm at.

[55:37] >> So

[55:38] >> well it's it's it's expensive to run a

[55:40] cemetery and when we have to replace you

[55:43] know add to the cemetery it costs a lot

[55:45] of money.

[55:46] >> Yeah.

[55:47] >> Can I ask why? Um I I understand the

[55:50] raising of prices. I get that. the one

[55:53] that kind of gave me a little like

[55:56] the increase on the infant one. I felt

[55:59] like it was

[56:02] >> it went up 250 versus others didn't go

[56:05] up as much. And also like I don't know

[56:08] anything about cemeteries other than

[56:10] what I you know going but I guess like

[56:12] to me I'm like it's a smaller plot like

[56:15] and I couldn't imagine having to go pay

[56:18] I guess

[56:20] >> it is negotiable. It is 100%. Um, I feel

[56:23] like most most of the time what happens

[56:25] with infants, so you're aware, is

[56:28] they're buried on top of grandparents.

[56:31] And so with that, all they pay is um an

[56:34] opening closing fee.

[56:36] >> Okay.

[56:37] >> So that's the majority of what I've

[56:38] seen. But yeah, like I said, it's

[56:40] negotiable because even the the

[56:41] veterans, it didn't it didn't move

[56:44] because when I got in there, I didn't

[56:46] understand why the veterans were paying

[56:47] $50 more. In my world, I'm like, they're

[56:50] veterans. they served our country. So, I

[56:52] left I left the veterans at 850. And as

[56:55] for infants, I I'm not opposed to to

[56:58] keeping that at the same price.

[57:00] >> I guess that was just my biggest is that

[57:02] I I I wouldn't want to add an extra fee

[57:06] to a family that I mean, any death is

[57:09] obviously

[57:11] not a great thing to go through, but an

[57:12] infant, I couldn't like that's just as a mom, I saw that and

[57:17] just thought, why is it so much more of

[57:18] an increase? And so

[57:20] >> yeah, I I thought the same thing, Lacy,

[57:22] and I'd like to see the infant cost

[57:23] right around $400 if we were going to

[57:25] raise it and no higher than that.

[57:27] >> Yeah.

[57:29] >> So, say that again.

[57:31] >> $400 on the infant fee rather than uh

[57:33] the 600.

[57:35] >> The 600 what's currently what it

[57:37] currently is. They want to

[57:39] >> Well, the 850 is the green. Yeah. Well,

[57:40] let's let's say go down then. Let's go.

[57:42] >> You want to leave it at 600 or

[57:43] >> 600 or even go less? Because if you look

[57:45] at the rate, we're we're increasing the

[57:47] uh the the the resident rate from 800 to

[57:50] a,000.

[57:51] >> You know, I that that's

[57:53] >> 20%.

[57:54] >> That's expensive, too.

[57:57] >> But I see the cost and we're still one

[57:58] of the cheaper, but

[57:59] >> yeah, I would just like to keep the

[58:00] infinite at least where it's at.

[58:02] Personally, it's

[58:04] >> I agree.

[58:04] >> Just a So, do you want to keep it at the

[58:07] 600? Is that what it is right now? I

[58:09] mean, I do like Ryan's thing, but I I

[58:11] think that the 600 is more is better

[58:14] than 850. So, yes, I that's fine.

[58:17] >> I thought the the previous slide showed

[58:19] that our infant rate was like 250.

[58:21] >> That's the open and close, I think.

[58:23] Right.

[58:24] >> That's the open and close.

[58:26] >> Okay.

[58:26] >> Yeah.

[58:27] >> And like I said, majority since I've

[58:29] been in the majority of the time,

[58:31] infants are usually buried on top of

[58:33] grandparents.

[58:35] >> So, they wouldn't have to buy a separate

[58:36] lot.

[58:36] >> They wouldn't have to buy a separate

[58:37] lot. pay the open and close.

[58:39] >> So that's if they buy the entire lot,

[58:41] the plot.

[58:41] >> So on this new one though, it crosses

[58:44] out the resident infant and just leaves

[58:47] it at the 550 and a,000. Can we

[58:52] not do that under the open and close

[58:55] single? It's crossed out.

[58:59] >> Oh, that's like

[59:00] >> is that you're trying to get rid of

[59:02] that? bury me really really deep so my

[59:05] grandkids and their spouses can be

[59:07] >> does that do you see that

[59:09] >> under under the open and close right

[59:10] there the resident infant and non-infant

[59:12] and the resident veteran is crossed out

[59:15] like it's with a line of through it

[59:18] >> so are we

[59:21] out

[59:23] >> yeah that's a good good thought

[59:25] >> okay because I didn't know if we were

[59:26] just

[59:26] >> I think Kathy that you've you've got

[59:28] something to add don't you

[59:30] >> I didn't know if we were making it all

[59:31] the same price for open and close.

[59:35] >> Sorry, I'm not trying to make it

[59:36] complicated.

[59:38] >> It's crossed out. That's old rate. It's

[59:41] either new language or we just

[59:43] eliminate.

[59:44] >> Okay, so it would be nothing because in

[59:46] the green it's nothing.

[59:47] >> 250 and 350 to open close, but we put

[59:50] zero here,

[59:51] >> right? We eliminated that.

[59:53] >> Okay. So,

[59:53] >> so if it's a infant open and close, they

[59:56] will not be charged,

[59:57] >> right? That's my understanding. Yeah. or

[1:00:00] would they be ch charged the same rate

[1:00:01] >> or are they going to be charged the same

[1:00:03] rate as an adult? That's what I was

[1:00:05] >> worried about.

[1:00:06] >> And I can't tell you on that.

[1:00:08] >> Can we verify that?

[1:00:09] >> Yeah, this was how it was handed to me.

[1:00:11] So, I'm assuming that they don't charge

[1:00:14] for that. Is that why

[1:00:16] >> question? I don't know. I maybe it's the total, but we can we can

[1:00:20] definitely look at that.

[1:00:20] >> Okay. So, if we approve this, can we

[1:00:22] like put that?

[1:00:23] >> Maybe uh if it's not too much trouble,

[1:00:25] maybe we just send this back and you

[1:00:26] guys

[1:00:27] >> You want to bring it back? Let's look

[1:00:29] through this.

[1:00:30] >> Keep the infant the same and then uh

[1:00:33] >> figure out the not the open and close.

[1:00:36] >> Okay. So, the direction is to to keep

[1:00:38] the

[1:00:39] >> the uh the same as it was and then we

[1:00:43] got to check on the

[1:00:44] >> figure out the resident veteran and the

[1:00:46] infant open and close. Yeah.

[1:00:48] >> Okay. I think that's a good table.

[1:00:51] >> Okay.

[1:00:51] >> I have one question really quick. So,

[1:00:54] when someone is cremated, where do we

[1:00:55] put them now?

[1:00:57] in a regular plot

[1:00:59] >> almost the same thing. So, so what we do

[1:01:01] with a regular plot is we sell it but we

[1:01:04] also allow them to divide it up into

[1:01:06] cremation has become more and more a

[1:01:07] popular thing.

[1:01:09] >> So like he said I we I would love to see

[1:01:12] niche walls put in.

[1:01:14] >> My goal is to get niche walls. Um, so as

[1:01:18] of right now, most of the time they will

[1:01:20] buy a full plot.

[1:01:21] >> Mhm.

[1:01:21] >> And then there's four places for four

[1:01:23] cremations as well as as an infant like

[1:01:26] so. So so we divide a plot into four,

[1:01:29] but I almost make people dedicate them

[1:01:31] to a cremation plot or I require a vault

[1:01:34] for the cremation in case a traditional

[1:01:36] because realistically a traditional can

[1:01:38] go in the ground

[1:01:39] >> and then three can go on tops.

[1:01:42] >> Okay,

[1:01:42] >> if that makes sense. Yeah.

[1:01:44] >> So that's that's what we're seeing a lot

[1:01:46] of is is people families, they all know

[1:01:49] that they're going to be cremated. So

[1:01:51] they'll buy one plot and then we've just

[1:01:53] been dividing it.

[1:01:55] >> If we have a wall, it'll it'll save save

[1:01:58] area.

[1:01:58] >> And they project by 2030 that like

[1:02:00] anywhere from about 30 to 40% of people

[1:02:04] are going towards cremations. So it's a

[1:02:07] huge thing. So with the with the infant

[1:02:10] one, I would like to also like I mean

[1:02:12] future planning, I would like to have

[1:02:14] like an infant area as well as the

[1:02:16] cremain's area because as as the

[1:02:18] cemetery sits now, there's an area in

[1:02:21] the old section where there was infants.

[1:02:23] It got full then we just moved it to

[1:02:25] another section. I would love to have a

[1:02:27] dedicated area just for infants,

[1:02:30] >> like an infant garden where it's

[1:02:31] beautified with the niche wall. That's

[1:02:34] that would be my my

[1:02:35] >> I say you come back with a with a

[1:02:37] proposal.

[1:02:38] >> A lot of cities have that. A lot of

[1:02:39] cities have like a designated area for

[1:02:42] infants and cremations and they're there

[1:02:45] kind of be put together and beautified

[1:02:47] and there it's

[1:02:48] >> there's benches there.

[1:02:50] >> Yeah, it looks really nice. So So my

[1:02:52] goal is a sexton that's that's

[1:02:54] >> as the future that's what I'm pushing.

[1:02:56] >> Bring us back your your design your idea

[1:02:58] and let's do it.

[1:03:00] >> And thank you for changing the name of

[1:03:01] where the infants are too. I I got a lot

[1:03:03] of push back from especially women in

[1:03:06] the city that they were like baby horns.

[1:03:08] >> Yeah. I don't like I didn't like that

[1:03:09] either.

[1:03:09] >> So So I I talked to a bunch of other

[1:03:12] cemeteries and just got some ideas of

[1:03:14] what they did. That's kind of the

[1:03:15] direction we went.

[1:03:17] >> Okay. So there's no need for us to do a

[1:03:18] public hearing at this point in time if

[1:03:20] it's going to come back up for tableing.

[1:03:21] >> We need a motion to take

[1:03:22] >> It is set as a public hearing. If you

[1:03:24] want to open a public hearing in case

[1:03:25] people want to

[1:03:26] >> Okay.

[1:03:27] >> Because it's scheduled for tonight.

[1:03:29] >> We'll go I'll I'll take a motion to open

[1:03:31] a public hearing. So moved.

[1:03:33] >> Second.

[1:03:34] >> Okay. Roll call vote starting with

[1:03:36] council

[1:03:37] >> Smith.

[1:03:37] >> Yes.

[1:03:38] >> Council Helet.

[1:03:38] >> Yes.

[1:03:39] >> Council Rolley.

[1:03:40] >> Yes.

[1:03:40] >> Council Moss.

[1:03:41] >> Yes.

[1:03:41] >> Council Pos.

[1:03:43] >> Okay. Uh the motion carries. Uh we'll

[1:03:45] open up a public hearing on this item.

[1:03:48] >> Please step to the mic if you'd like to

[1:03:49] talk with us and speak clearly. Remind

[1:03:52] your your time limit would be right

[1:03:54] around three minutes. Uh and whether you

[1:03:56] agree or disagree with the information

[1:03:58] that we've pre had presented to us. So

[1:04:01] we'll go ahead and and and the other

[1:04:02] thing is to identify yourself as well.

[1:04:05] So we'll go to that point.

[1:04:10] Not seeing anybody would like to take

[1:04:12] advantage of the public hearing. I'll

[1:04:14] accept a motion to close it.

[1:04:16] >> Hang on. Oh, no. We have Oh, come on up.

[1:04:17] I'm sorry.

[1:04:18] >> I looked down on my paper too quick.

[1:04:22] >> I just have a question. Um, I'm an

[1:04:24] archaeologist and much of our work has

[1:04:26] to do with cemeteries in understanding

[1:04:29] the culture of the people who inter

[1:04:30] their their loved ones. Are there

[1:04:33] different rates for the place in the

[1:04:35] cemetery where people purchase pots?

[1:04:38] >> No.

[1:04:39] >> Okay. Simple. Good

[1:04:41] >> name, too.

[1:04:44] >> Connie Ericson.

[1:04:46] Okay.

[1:04:46] >> Beloved Connie Ericson.

[1:04:49] >> Thank you, Connie.

[1:04:51] >> Anyone else?

[1:04:54] >> [clears throat]

[1:04:55] >> Okay, not seeing anyone. I'll accept a

[1:04:57] motion to close the public hearing. So

[1:04:59] moved.

[1:05:00] >> Second.

[1:05:01] >> Oh, we got two seconds. Okay.

[1:05:02] >> And can have it.

[1:05:04] >> And you've got it. Okay. Roll call vote.

[1:05:06] Council provos guard.

[1:05:07] >> Yes.

[1:05:08] >> Council Moss.

[1:05:08] >> Yes. Council

[1:05:09] >> Willie.

[1:05:09] >> Yes.

[1:05:10] >> Council Plet.

[1:05:10] >> Yes.

[1:05:11] >> Council Smith.

[1:05:12] >> Yes.

[1:05:12] >> Okay.

[1:05:12] >> And I make a motion to table it now

[1:05:14] until

[1:05:15] >> Please do. I would make a motion that we

[1:05:17] table the [snorts] adoption the the

[1:05:19] adoption to amend pace and city fee

[1:05:21] schedule regarding se cemetery fees uh

[1:05:25] until staff can review the proposed

[1:05:27] >> a second

[1:05:28] >> and you we have a motion been second

[1:05:29] >> and I'll second adding that yeah we look

[1:05:32] at um clarifying the fee schedule

[1:05:34] including for veterans and then also uh

[1:05:38] not raising the infant lot rate but

[1:05:41] >> okay with your motion it's great but

[1:05:44] will you defer

[1:05:46] Okay. [laughter]

[1:05:49] >> Oh, yeah. You don't have your microphone

[1:05:50] on. It's not real.

[1:05:51] >> I heard it.

[1:05:53] >> Okay. Good. We have a motion been

[1:05:55] seconded. Uh roll call vote starting with council

[1:05:59] Smith.

[1:06:00] >> Yes.

[1:06:00] >> Council, yes.

[1:06:01] >> Council Roelly,

[1:06:02] >> yes.

[1:06:02] >> Council Moss,

[1:06:03] >> yes.

[1:06:04] >> Council Provoscar,

[1:06:05] >> yes.

[1:06:05] >> Okay. Thank you. The motion.

[1:06:07] >> We'll bring it back to next the next

[1:06:08] meeting.

[1:06:09] >> Okay. These next two, ladies and

[1:06:12] gentlemen, have to do with the uh uh

[1:06:15] Manglesen zone change on the e east side

[1:06:18] comprehensive plan. So, what we will do,

[1:06:21] we'll have Michael come up and talk

[1:06:23] about both of them and then uh after he

[1:06:27] talks about both of them, then we would

[1:06:29] like to have uh what we had talked about

[1:06:32] some for or some against. Give you some

[1:06:35] time there. uh whether we do that before

[1:06:38] council discussion or after we can we

[1:06:40] can play with that a little bit but

[1:06:42] we'll go ahead and list then we'll have

[1:06:43] to do each one of these separate but go

[1:06:46] ahead Michael

[1:06:49] thanks mayor um

[1:06:52] so this is two requests tonight uh first

[1:06:55] is a general plan amendment to the east

[1:06:57] side comprehensive plan which is um a

[1:07:00] specific area plan of the city and

[1:07:02] thereby an addendum to our general plan.

[1:07:06] Second request is for a zone change if

[1:07:09] the general plan amendment is approved.

[1:07:13] And the zone change would be we'll

[1:07:15] discuss that in a few minutes. Uh to

[1:07:18] give you some context of the area, I

[1:07:20] think most everybody knows where we're

[1:07:21] talking about, but here's a little map

[1:07:23] zoom in of the area. You can see the uh

[1:07:26] mouse cursor there. That is uh just

[1:07:29] north of that. You can see it's 10300 in

[1:07:32] the county or 100 south in PAC and to

[1:07:36] the east of that that's 1300 east in PAC

[1:07:40] and I can't quite read that 2300 west.

[1:07:44] >> Um okay

[1:07:51] so um like I said there's two approvals

[1:07:55] being sought tonight. one for an

[1:07:57] amendment to the eastside comprehensive

[1:07:58] plan from the active living designation

[1:08:01] to the traditional designation. Um and

[1:08:05] then the second request is for the R19

[1:08:08] residential zone change. Uh so city

[1:08:11] council's role tonight would be either

[1:08:13] approval or denial of both of these

[1:08:15] requests. Uh this has formerly gone to

[1:08:18] the planning commission. They had a

[1:08:20] public hearing there. They uh received

[1:08:23] much public comment both in person and

[1:08:27] emailed and written. Uh we read those

[1:08:30] comments into that public hearing. Uh

[1:08:34] council, I believe you've seen those

[1:08:36] comments and you've probably uh

[1:08:38] witnessed and watched that um that

[1:08:41] public hearing. Uh staff's role in this

[1:08:44] situation would be if these approvals

[1:08:47] were granted tonight, then staff would

[1:08:49] do any of the subdivision and site plan

[1:08:52] processes associated with development in

[1:08:55] this area.

[1:08:58] So necessary approvals for for what's

[1:09:02] being asked tonight. The only thing

[1:09:04] that's being asked for is the amendment

[1:09:07] to the east side comprehensive plan and

[1:09:09] the zoning amendment. There's other

[1:09:11] possible approvals that have not yet

[1:09:14] been applied for. One of them including

[1:09:16] the uh RMO two family overlay. The other

[1:09:20] would be subdivision applications and

[1:09:22] building permits.

[1:09:27] A little bit about public comments. Uh

[1:09:29] as I said, they they were quite

[1:09:31] extensive. There's definitely a lot of

[1:09:32] interest in this area and a lot of uh

[1:09:35] concerned citizens. Um,

[1:09:39] I'm not going to read public comments. I

[1:09:42] do have the comments from the meeting

[1:09:44] minutes if you want to talk about any of

[1:09:46] them or if you have any questions of

[1:09:47] them. But for the most part, comments

[1:09:50] centered around these bulleted topics of

[1:09:53] growth, infrastructure, neighborhood

[1:09:55] stability, safety, parking, uh, property

[1:09:58] values, agricultural land taxes,

[1:10:01] wildlife, and

[1:10:04] things related to those topics.

[1:10:08] Uh, a little bit of history here. So,

[1:10:10] the initial application, the applicant

[1:10:13] requested an amendment to the ESI

[1:10:15] comprehensive plan. Essentially, they

[1:10:17] wanted to remove the active living

[1:10:19] designation from the east side

[1:10:20] comprehensive plan so that they wouldn't

[1:10:23] have that restriction of a 55 plus

[1:10:25] community, but they could build any kind

[1:10:27] of residential development. And then

[1:10:30] they requested a zone change to the R110

[1:10:33] zone and the uh RMF-15.

[1:10:38] uh staff recommendation after receiving

[1:10:40] this application from the applicant uh

[1:10:44] recommended the district designation in

[1:10:46] the east side comprehensive plan and a

[1:10:48] zone change to that R110

[1:10:51] with the RMF in the range of six to

[1:10:54] eight units to the acre. Uh planning

[1:10:57] commission held their public hearing and

[1:10:59] their u meeting. planning commission uh

[1:11:03] made the determination they felt as if

[1:11:05] the district would be a good

[1:11:07] designation. Um and this is a difficult

[1:11:09] situation because they had to vote on

[1:11:11] one before the other. So they voted on

[1:11:13] this this district and then they decided

[1:11:16] they felt as if the R19 zone would be an

[1:11:19] appropriate uh zone change. um coming

[1:11:23] back around. Uh staff and the applicant

[1:11:28] discussed after this planning commission

[1:11:30] meeting and felt as if um the

[1:11:33] traditional designation fits better with

[1:11:35] the R1 R19 zoning designation and so

[1:11:39] that's why we're differing in a

[1:11:41] recommendation on the plan. Uh and then

[1:11:44] the zone change recommendation is the

[1:11:46] same as what was proposed by planning

[1:11:48] commission.

[1:11:50] So now um we'll just talk a little bit

[1:11:53] about the east side comprehensive plan

[1:11:55] and the request to the traditional

[1:11:57] designation.

[1:12:00] Um so these are um this is language

[1:12:04] right out of the plan of what active

[1:12:07] living is and uh in blue that's in the

[1:12:12] general plan not the east side plan of

[1:12:14] what this area would entail if the

[1:12:17] general plan was followed. And then fi

[1:12:20] finally the last one is the district.

[1:12:22] This is in the east side comprehensive

[1:12:23] plan as well. Uh providing a kind of a

[1:12:26] definition of what that would entail for

[1:12:29] future development. So I'm not going to

[1:12:31] read those unless you have questions

[1:12:32] about them.

[1:12:33] >> Michael, can I ask a question? Uh on the

[1:12:35] east side comprehensive plan, the active

[1:12:37] living, no density is identified. That

[1:12:39] phrase is quite frightening. Um, if it

[1:12:42] stays active living, uh, could it be as

[1:12:44] dense as what we see, uh, not too far

[1:12:46] away from that of high-rise, um, 55 plus

[1:12:50] apartments?

[1:12:51] >> No. Uh, because that that needs a

[1:12:53] different zoning designation for that

[1:12:55] and then a different overlay designation

[1:12:57] for that. Um, it would be more like

[1:12:59] Heritage Village or I can't remember the

[1:13:02] name of the place across from 198, but

[1:13:04] there's Mountain View Estates.

[1:13:06] >> Yes, Mountain View. I believe there's

[1:13:08] twin homes and like some some single

[1:13:11] level town home type development there.

[1:13:13] >> It does say designed for singlestory,

[1:13:16] >> but then it says,

[1:13:19] >> right? It's kind of

[1:13:21] >> Yeah, there's there's some interesting

[1:13:23] language about the apartments.

[1:13:24] >> Yeah, that's some vague language that uh

[1:13:26] leaves uh some unanticipated loopholes I

[1:13:29] believe

[1:13:30] >> with density of active living itself.

[1:13:34] >> Other questions on this page?

[1:13:37] Well, the district includes it says

[1:13:39] tasteful multifamily developments will

[1:13:42] be available. So that can that has a

[1:13:45] wide range as well,

[1:13:46] >> right? And I think that's intentional in

[1:13:48] that case.

[1:13:50] >> But the the purpose of this is not to

[1:13:51] designate as district, correct? But

[1:13:53] rather traditional.

[1:13:54] >> The original the original recommendation

[1:13:57] of staff was the district based off of

[1:13:59] the what staff felt was uh a reasonable

[1:14:02] amount of density there. And so that's

[1:14:04] why we we said that because of the uh

[1:14:07] six to eight units of the acre plus the

[1:14:09] single family homes, they could all fit

[1:14:10] in a similar designation such as a

[1:14:13] district. But the recommended change for

[1:14:17] tonight is the traditional instead of

[1:14:19] the district.

[1:14:23] Uh here's the uh portion of the

[1:14:25] definition from traditional in the east

[1:14:27] side comprehensive plan and then the

[1:14:29] district's just shown here again to just

[1:14:31] kind of compare and contrast those two.

[1:14:34] So, um, traditional is is typically, um,

[1:14:39] I don't want to say large lot, but I

[1:14:41] would say medium-sized lot homes. Um,

[1:14:45] traditional sized homes, and it gives

[1:14:47] some neighborhoods here as kind of a

[1:14:50] reference of what those look like in

[1:14:52] size and and neighborhood appearance.

[1:14:55] Any thoughts or questions on this page?

[1:15:00] Okay.

[1:15:02] So staff recommended traditional

[1:15:05] to the planning and zoning planning and

[1:15:08] zoning.

[1:15:09] >> No. No. Staff recommended district

[1:15:13] and uh planning commission felt as if

[1:15:16] the R19 zone was more appropriate, but

[1:15:18] they voted on the plan before they voted

[1:15:21] on the zone change. And so they they

[1:15:23] voted on district first. So it's a

[1:15:26] little confusing, but yes, that's that's

[1:15:28] why there's a discrepancy there. So, in

[1:15:30] the traditional, we're voting

[1:15:33] to have it be traditional. Is that what

[1:15:36] we're

[1:15:36] >> That is That is the request tonight.

[1:15:37] Yes.

[1:15:38] >> Okay. And that would that include just

[1:15:40] the single family homes and twin homes?

[1:15:43] Would that allow twin homes or would

[1:15:44] that

[1:15:44] >> it it allows for an overlay?

[1:15:47] >> Well,

[1:15:49] it doesn't it doesn't get that specific.

[1:15:51] >> Okay.

[1:15:51] >> It traditional just talks about um

[1:15:55] traditional single family home

[1:15:57] development. Um, if the R19 zone was and

[1:16:02] zoning is different than these

[1:16:03] designations in the plan, that's kind of

[1:16:06] >> so zoning would allow for an overlay.

[1:16:08] >> But if the R19 was, and we'll get to

[1:16:10] that, if the R19 was approved, then that

[1:16:12] has another opportunity for an applicant

[1:16:15] to come in and request that twin homes.

[1:16:19] So I put in here a few suggested uh

[1:16:23] recommendations with staff's recommend

[1:16:26] recommendation for uh motions here. This

[1:16:30] and the next topic of the zone change.

[1:16:33] There can be any number of motions here.

[1:16:35] So don't feel like you're pigeonhold

[1:16:38] into any of these because these these

[1:16:40] are legislative actions and you've have

[1:16:43] a lot of broad authority of how you want

[1:16:45] to interpret and and make a decision

[1:16:47] here.

[1:16:48] So, I'll continue on. This is the end of

[1:16:50] the east side comprehensive stuff. We'll

[1:16:52] go into the zone change stuff and then

[1:16:54] we kind of summarize at the end.

[1:16:57] So, the second request, um, this is

[1:17:00] contingent upon the plan amendment is a

[1:17:04] zone change request to the R19

[1:17:06] residential zone.

[1:17:09] Giving you some context right now.

[1:17:11] >> Are you moving on to the the zoning now?

[1:17:14] So, we're not going to vote on these.

[1:17:15] I'm just giving you the whole

[1:17:16] presentation and then there'll be

[1:17:19] separate motions to to make but and we

[1:17:21] can

[1:17:22] >> I've got slides in here that you can

[1:17:24] just see the suggested motions of each

[1:17:25] one separately. So,

[1:17:26] >> okay. Thanks, Michael.

[1:17:28] >> Um, so currently right now that little

[1:17:31] uh red highlighted area is what the area

[1:17:34] is zoned the R1A. And it looks like I

[1:17:36] didn't put in all of the classification

[1:17:38] for R1A, but that's essentially a one

[1:17:41] acre lot uh intended for uh small

[1:17:45] agricultural uh purposes, things of that

[1:17:48] nature. And uh much bigger than what's

[1:17:52] anticipated both in the east side

[1:17:54] comprehensive plan and in the general

[1:17:57] plan. And so that's the current zoning

[1:17:59] for the area right now. Uh this is the

[1:18:02] recommendation is the R19 zoning for the

[1:18:06] entire parcel there.

[1:18:11] Uh talking about a little bit about R19

[1:18:13] versus R110 because I know a lot of the

[1:18:15] public uh voiced opinions about R110

[1:18:19] versus R19. And so that's what is here.

[1:18:22] Uh R19 is blue, R110 red. Uh essentially

[1:18:28] they're very very similar. Um R19 the

[1:18:32] minimum lot size is 9,000 whereas the

[1:18:34] R110 is 10,000 square feet. Uh the

[1:18:37] minimum frontage is 90 ft versus 100 ft.

[1:18:40] The setbacks are identical between the

[1:18:43] two. Um accessory apartments would be

[1:18:46] allowed in both zones. That's state law.

[1:18:50] Uh and we have a little bit of

[1:18:52] stipulation. And so our stipulation is

[1:18:53] they have to be a minimum of 6,500 foot

[1:18:56] lots to even be considered for an

[1:18:57] accessory apartment. The only

[1:19:00] significant difference in staff's

[1:19:01] opinion is the RM1 twin family overlay

[1:19:05] is possible in the R19 zone and not in

[1:19:08] the R110 zone. Any questions on this?

[1:19:11] >> So why did we pick the R19 instead of

[1:19:14] the R110?

[1:19:16] >> Uh planning commission made that

[1:19:18] recommendation.

[1:19:19] I think the idea was to leave the

[1:19:22] opportunity open for the applicant to

[1:19:24] consider the twin family overlay.

[1:19:30] » Legislatively, we we could go for the

[1:19:32] R19,

[1:19:34] but in the future, we could deny the

[1:19:37] overlay.

[1:19:38] >> Correct.

[1:19:39] >> Yep, that is correct. Y

[1:19:41] >> or we could just questions we could approve the R110

[1:19:48] and not worry about the overlay.

[1:19:50] >> You could do that as well.

[1:19:54] >> Um again some the staff recommended

[1:19:58] motion as well as u three other possible

[1:20:01] motions here.

[1:20:04] Few more slides here just to give you

[1:20:06] some context. So, other approvals,

[1:20:12] um, like I said, the R120

[1:20:15] two family overlay is a possibility with

[1:20:17] the R, uh, one N zone.

[1:20:23] Uh, the other approvals, they're grayed

[1:20:25] out because those are administrative and

[1:20:27] they have have not been applied for. So,

[1:20:30] they couldn't be applied for until

[1:20:33] these approvals have been granted,

[1:20:35] whether it's the RMO, whether it's the

[1:20:37] zone change, what have you. Um, if

[1:20:40] nothing is granted, then the only thing

[1:20:42] that could essentially be done at this

[1:20:43] time would be um oneacre lots. So, any

[1:20:49] questions on this?

[1:20:54] A little bit about the RMO uh one two

[1:20:57] family overlay. uh staff would recommend

[1:21:00] it be a separate application made um if

[1:21:03] there's any desire um by the applicant

[1:21:06] to consider that um if any RMO2 family

[1:21:09] overlay is considered now or in the

[1:21:12] future then staff would recommend only a

[1:21:14] portion of this area be uh designated

[1:21:18] with that RMO overlay and not the

[1:21:20] entirety of the parcel.

[1:21:25] Uh so this is kind of comes back around

[1:21:28] to final recommendations is uh the

[1:21:31] traditional designation in the east side

[1:21:32] comprehensive plan and then the zone

[1:21:34] change to the R19. So I'll just leave it

[1:21:37] at that. We do I do have at the end here

[1:21:41] um just those same recommended um

[1:21:44] possible motions. So

[1:21:46] >> Michael, can you go back to one of the

[1:21:48] maps that shows the bigger area

[1:21:53] » like this one? Yes,

[1:21:54] >> sure. Um, just so I can get a feel of

[1:21:57] what the rest of the area might look

[1:21:59] like in the future to the east, that big

[1:22:03] port, you know how there's that yellow

[1:22:04] square kind of juts out between the

[1:22:07] orange and that yellow next to the R,

[1:22:09] what's labeled R19? Do we know what

[1:22:12] that's going to be?

[1:22:13] >> Yeah, it's in the plan. Do you have the

[1:22:14] plan pulled up handy, Michael? That we

[1:22:16] >> I don't have the plan readily available.

[1:22:17] Which yellow are you talking about? So

[1:22:19] that that part that juts out.

[1:22:23] >> Oh, down here.

[1:22:24] >> Yeah, that

[1:22:25] >> so

[1:22:26] >> right above it.

[1:22:28] >> Right.

[1:22:29] about where this blue line is, it

[1:22:31] goes across to about where my text is.

[1:22:34] And that

[1:22:35] >> and that R1A portion, that's the light

[1:22:38] yellow. All of that is the active

[1:22:40] living.

[1:22:41] >> And then from there going eastward goes

[1:22:45] to um I can't remember the name. I think

[1:22:48] it's the district is what it goes to

[1:22:50] from there and it wraps around where

[1:22:53] 1500 East is

[1:22:54] >> going on both sides of 1500 East and

[1:22:56] then up toward 198.

[1:22:58] >> But that also could change where we're

[1:23:01] going to be re-evaluating the general

[1:23:03] plan.

[1:23:03] >> That could change with with the general

[1:23:05] plan amendment.

[1:23:06] >> But as of right now,

[1:23:07] >> as of right now, that's those are how

[1:23:08] those are. And and just keep in mind

[1:23:11] both the Eastside comprehensive plan and

[1:23:13] the general plan are advisory documents.

[1:23:15] we generally want to follow them but

[1:23:18] that it's not required to follow them.

[1:23:20] >> So basically that whole chunk between

[1:23:22] the orange and that yellow part jutting

[1:23:25] out is all active living or it just goes

[1:23:28] straight across from the

[1:23:29] >> just to about where my text starts in

[1:23:31] that white box.

[1:23:33] >> Does it touch that square that juts out?

[1:23:36] >> No, it's it's about from where this is

[1:23:39] right here and comes comes across like

[1:23:41] that.

[1:23:42] >> Okay.

[1:23:45] Do you have that?

[1:23:49] So, Robert has that east side plan if

[1:23:51] you want to see that.

[1:23:52] >> Yeah, that'd be good.

[1:24:05] » That hurts the eyes, but you can see so

[1:24:07] the light really light blue, that's the

[1:24:09] active living. Uh you can see the

[1:24:11] subdivision just to the south of it.

[1:24:12] That's kind of where the the edge of the

[1:24:16] applicant's request is is the very

[1:24:18] corner of that subdivision. So, there is

[1:24:21] the little bit of uh active living

[1:24:23] that's untouched with this request and

[1:24:26] then there's the rest of the active

[1:24:27] living that goes uh east of 1300 East

[1:24:31] there. Okay.

[1:24:38] » Some of these things are different

[1:24:39] obviously. For example, Nebo School

[1:24:41] District doesn't own all of that

[1:24:43] property anymore. It's a smaller

[1:24:45] portion. So,

[1:24:48] >> so obviously a lot of time and effort

[1:24:49] went into this East Side comprehensive

[1:24:52] plan and uh you know, we're always

[1:24:54] harping to to stick with the plan and so

[1:24:55] if we were going going to make a change,

[1:24:58] I think we need to make sure we make a

[1:24:59] change for the better. Uh this area does

[1:25:01] in fact have a lot of 55 and older uh

[1:25:04] housing already. Uh we just need to

[1:25:06] decide if uh if we want to continue to

[1:25:09] allow more of that. uh that that would

[1:25:12] be dense uh like by the temple the

[1:25:14] heritage village area um or if we want

[1:25:17] to allow for for something else

[1:25:21] and I've often talked about especially

[1:25:23] lately the need for

[1:25:26] single level single level living for our

[1:25:30] older community.

[1:25:33] Just thoughts just thinking out loud.

[1:25:36] >> Well, it also doesn't change all of it

[1:25:38] as of right now. like there still would

[1:25:40] be

[1:25:41] >> two sections. I mean,

[1:25:43] >> and and just just to make note, um 55

[1:25:46] plus communities can go anywhere anyway.

[1:25:50] >> This is just an area in this plan that

[1:25:52] was identified because of the proximity

[1:25:54] to doctor's offices and the hospital and

[1:25:56] things like that. So, it's not like it's

[1:25:58] it can only go here.

[1:26:02] I think it'd be advantageous though, if

[1:26:03] we're going to change that little

[1:26:04] sliver, it would leave those those two

[1:26:06] on each side. uh uh left the same. I

[1:26:10] think it would be nice to have one

[1:26:11] continuous zone there as we re-evaluate

[1:26:14] the east side comprehensive plan.

[1:26:20] » Okay. Is that your presentation on both

[1:26:22] of them? Michael?

[1:26:23] >> Yes. Unless you had any other questions.

[1:26:25] >> Any other questions, council? Because

[1:26:26] the next step will go is to have someone

[1:26:30] that is designated to to talk about for

[1:26:33] or against. So,

[1:26:34] >> I just have one question. And um if we

[1:26:38] so we talked maybe about expanding that

[1:26:40] to include all that area so you don't

[1:26:43] have 55 and older in that whole area.

[1:26:45] Would since it the public hearings for

[1:26:47] one those three parcels we'd have to

[1:26:49] have another public hearing to do that

[1:26:51] right.

[1:26:53] You're talking about for example that

[1:26:55] small piece that's R1A right there and

[1:26:57] the PE part to the west

[1:26:59] >> right. Um,

[1:27:01] >> yes, we would. We would

[1:27:02] >> I think it would I think it would be

[1:27:03] good form, but no, you don't actually

[1:27:05] have to have another hearing for that

[1:27:07] because council can make an amended

[1:27:09] motion so that you could, for example,

[1:27:11] say we're going to designate all of that

[1:27:14] 55 plus active living to something else.

[1:27:17] >> I think that'd be better to do with ju

[1:27:19] just worrying about the applicant

[1:27:21] tonight.

[1:27:22] >> Well, it just looks weird. Right. But as

[1:27:24] we reevaluate the east side

[1:27:26] comprehensive plan of of looking at that

[1:27:27] and holding the proper public hearing

[1:27:29] >> and just because it's not called for

[1:27:31] doesn't mean we don't have to do it.

[1:27:32] >> Right.

[1:27:34] >> Okay. That we good?

[1:27:38] >> I'll go ahead and uh there's a there's a

[1:27:40] few things I'd like to say prior to to

[1:27:42] go ahead and and let someone come up and

[1:27:44] talk.

[1:27:46] I guess maybe I'm I'm patting ourselves

[1:27:48] on the back. We don't have to do this,

[1:27:50] ladies and gentlemen. and we hear it all

[1:27:52] the time that we don't listen. I want

[1:27:54] that to go away because we do listen. We

[1:27:57] don't have to have that's this has

[1:27:59] already been uh discussed at the agnosia

[1:28:03] in some ways but uh and it's at a public

[1:28:06] hearing but uh we want to make sure that

[1:28:09] your your voices are heard. Uh, and the

[1:28:14] other the other thing I'd like to to

[1:28:15] mention here too is uh when it comes to

[1:28:21] subdivisions like this, we we do have

[1:28:24] the the power that uh we can do

[1:28:26] different zoning areas for the city,

[1:28:29] we've got to be very careful. don't want

[1:28:31] to be afraid of the state, but we got to

[1:28:33] be careful with the state because there

[1:28:35] are those in the state government that

[1:28:37] would like to take that power away from this the cities and do a statewide

[1:28:41] overlay and then they would control

[1:28:43] where it goes and the density that it

[1:28:45] goes to. Uh we've already been uh and it's really upset me and Robert

[1:28:51] because we're in the meeting. We've

[1:28:52] already been designated as a bad actor

[1:28:54] city because we didn't want some of the

[1:28:56] things that the state was really would

[1:28:58] like to push. So, and the reason I'm

[1:29:02] saying this is because we do listen to

[1:29:04] you. But that sometimes there's things

[1:29:06] that you don't understand or don't even

[1:29:08] know that we have to respond to. But uh

[1:29:12] I just wanted to uh to mention that uh

[1:29:16] as we as we sit here and listen to

[1:29:18] either pro or con, please keep their

[1:29:21] demeanor uh in the appropriate

[1:29:24] uh way. Uh as as we have someone come up

[1:29:28] here, whether it be for uh in favor of

[1:29:31] or against it, please don't after they

[1:29:34] get done, please don't clap. uh we kind

[1:29:38] of expect that when we like things, but

[1:29:39] this is a city meeting and that's part

[1:29:41] of the demeanor I'm talking about. If

[1:29:44] you if you would do that, please. So,

[1:29:46] what I would do at this point in time,

[1:29:49] if there's anyone uh and I would like to

[1:29:52] start with with for this uh u action, if

[1:29:57] there's anyone here that would like to

[1:29:58] speak for this action, please

[1:30:02] come up and and address us.

[1:30:08] doesn't surprise me. Well, come on up.

[1:30:11] Yeah.

[1:30:13] Good. Representative the planning

[1:30:16] commission.

[1:30:17] >> Yes.

[1:30:18] >> Kurt Beecher. Um, planning commission.

[1:30:21] But the reason the planning commission

[1:30:23] went with R19 versus the R110 and the

[1:30:27] RMF1 is that we didn't like the density

[1:30:30] of the RMF-1.

[1:30:32] And we wanted a buffer between the R110

[1:30:36] that's already to the south and west and

[1:30:39] the much higher density to the north and

[1:30:43] northeast. And so we went with something

[1:30:46] that was

[1:30:49] middle of the road. It wasn't it wasn't

[1:30:51] the higher density of the ARM F1 and it

[1:30:54] wasn't the

[1:30:55] um lower way low or lower density of the

[1:30:59] ARM R110. So that was part of the the

[1:31:02] discussion and that's the reason we went

[1:31:05] with R19.

[1:31:06] >> Can you

[1:31:07] >> we didn't know about the traditional or

[1:31:09] we would have gone that way. Okay.

[1:31:11] >> When we were talking so that that was we

[1:31:14] were given the district as the option

[1:31:16] and we didn't know the traditional.

[1:31:19] So,

[1:31:21] >> thank you for that.

[1:31:22] >> It was a very long meeting.

[1:31:23] >> It was a long meeting. We had quite a

[1:31:25] discussion with the rest.

[1:31:27] >> Understand. Thank you.

[1:31:30] >> Anyone else would like to

[1:31:35] pro or con?

[1:31:36] >> I'm pro.

[1:31:37] >> Okay, that's fine. I just wanted to make

[1:31:40] sure.

[1:31:41] >> Okay.

[1:31:41] >> I'm Jimmy Degraphen and I'm actually

[1:31:43] representing the the Manglesen property.

[1:31:47] Um I our whole intent on this really I

[1:31:53] guess should I address the um the change

[1:31:56] first or the zoning? I mean the

[1:31:58] >> well both go ahead and do it's just like

[1:32:00] it is presented to us.

[1:32:02] >> Okay. Uh our thinking on changing it

[1:32:04] from the 55 and older is just simply

[1:32:08] it's not really selling in that area.

[1:32:11] There's another subdivision that's been

[1:32:12] over there for a while. They've sold I

[1:32:14] don't even know if they've sold. They

[1:32:15] started two or three homes on it. Uh we

[1:32:18] feel like the one that was down by the

[1:32:20] temple did really well. Uh but it took a

[1:32:23] long time and it looked really nice. And

[1:32:26] then I look at what I do for a living,

[1:32:29] which is I mean I I have two different

[1:32:31] home companies, home building companies.

[1:32:33] One's upperend homes that does a million

[1:32:34] and a half plus and and one that does

[1:32:37] lowerend homes. Um, and in our lower-end

[1:32:41] homes, we actually have uh a lot of our

[1:32:45] second biggest customer in the lower-end

[1:32:47] homes is people that are in their 60s,

[1:32:50] and they're not wanting to live

[1:32:51] necessarily in a 55 and older community.

[1:32:54] And now that I'm 54, I don't want to

[1:32:55] live in a 55 and older community either.

[1:32:58] So, I mean, that used to seem old. Now,

[1:33:00] it doesn't. So, um, so that was really

[1:33:04] as simple as it was on that. We just

[1:33:06] felt it might be better for the um area

[1:33:09] in general. As far as the the uh zoning,

[1:33:14] we just looked at the hospital to the

[1:33:17] side. It's kind of a commercial area. We

[1:33:19] looked at the millions of homes. It

[1:33:22] feels like that's on the other side

[1:33:24] that's just uh uh that's sitting there.

[1:33:27] And we said we just want to create a

[1:33:29] transition. Uh and in every city that I work in, we we try to create

[1:33:34] transitions. We don't uh you know we

[1:33:37] don't go from zero to 100. You know it's

[1:33:40] just we go in there and we try to try to

[1:33:42] make it so everything fits. We uh um you

[1:33:46] know we found that we have a hard time

[1:33:48] selling single family homes, nicer

[1:33:50] single family homes right next to uh

[1:33:54] apartments, but the people that are

[1:33:57] going to buy the single family homes

[1:33:58] don't necessarily want to live right

[1:34:00] next to an apartment. But people who uh

[1:34:03] might be buying a town home or a twin

[1:34:05] home will do that. Also, people who will

[1:34:08] buy a town home uh I mean people will

[1:34:11] buy a twin home next to a town home and

[1:34:13] people will buy a single family home

[1:34:14] next to a twin home. And so it's just a simple transition that that

[1:34:18] we're trying to do. And we're not trying

[1:34:21] to be, you know, like greedy developers

[1:34:24] like we always get pegged as. We just

[1:34:27] looked at it and just like this is what

[1:34:29] we want to do and make a transition

[1:34:31] that's good for the community. So that's

[1:34:36] >> thank thank you that appreciate it. Adds

[1:34:38] to our discussion.

[1:34:40] >> Did you say your name?

[1:34:41] >> I did.

[1:34:43] >> I can state it again if you want. Brand

[1:34:46] >> you're you're good. You're good. Okay.

[1:34:50] We've had a clarification and uh someone

[1:34:53] to speak for the pro and so we're to the

[1:34:57] point where somebody would like to that

[1:35:00] hopefully you've picked a spokesperson

[1:35:01] that would be against it. Please come up

[1:35:04] now.

[1:35:12] I'm Jeremy Smith. I'm a resident. I live

[1:35:15] at 633 South 1400 East in PAC. Um, so

[1:35:20] not

[1:35:21] right next to this property, but I do

[1:35:24] have um

[1:35:27] interest in this how this property gets

[1:35:28] developed because there are other

[1:35:29] annexations closer to where I live that

[1:35:32] would follow suit with what happens

[1:35:35] here. Um,

[1:35:38] so in talking with

[1:35:41] a lot of the residents here tonight, um,

[1:35:45] their main concern is is with the

[1:35:48] overlay. Um,

[1:35:51] so a lot of people are happy with the

[1:35:53] R19. A lot of people would like to see

[1:35:56] the R110. That would eliminate the

[1:35:58] overlay. Um but if if it did pass as

[1:36:01] R19, then this the citizens would

[1:36:04] request that you deny any future overlay

[1:36:08] um in that area to eliminate the

[1:36:11] duplexes

[1:36:12] or twin homes.

[1:36:15] Um

[1:36:16] there's

[1:36:18] a lot of concerns that were highlighted

[1:36:20] in the presentation from the staff. Um

[1:36:25] road infrastructure

[1:36:27] um with with the current development of

[1:36:30] the those town houses and apartments

[1:36:32] near this property. Um I'm sure if you

[1:36:35] drove down there um I'm sure you

[1:36:37] probably have seen all the parking on

[1:36:39] the street. Um there's just no room for

[1:36:42] parking. uh in those developments and so

[1:36:45] the this the residents are parking along

[1:36:48] the street on 100 South

[1:36:51] and with Twin Homes um we don't want to

[1:36:55] see a similar parking issue in this

[1:36:57] neighborhood where it's just filled with

[1:36:59] cars on the streets. Um,

[1:37:04] let's see. Some of the concerns also

[1:37:07] were like with with that holdaway

[1:37:09] development where the apartments and

[1:37:11] town houses are. Um, is that um

[1:37:16] the original zoning that was approved

[1:37:19] for that when it was annexed in with one

[1:37:22] developer and then the developer I guess

[1:37:24] left and a new developer came in and

[1:37:27] requested changing changes to that. So

[1:37:29] that there are concerns with the

[1:37:31] residents of of possible changes from

[1:37:34] what gets decided tonight. Um

[1:37:38] there were a lot of um

[1:37:44] points brought up in the um planning

[1:37:47] commission public hearing about this

[1:37:50] property and there were lots of

[1:37:51] questions asked by the residents and a

[1:37:53] lot of residents feel that those

[1:37:55] questions have not been answered. um and they would like to um

[1:38:02] like refer to the minutes of of that

[1:38:04] commission meeting pages three and four

[1:38:06] where there was lots of comments made

[1:38:07] and questions and um answers were

[1:38:12] promised which haven't been answered

[1:38:13] yet.

[1:38:16] Um

[1:38:19] there's also concerns with with the high

[1:38:22] density of the town houses and

[1:38:23] apartments. the current residents have

[1:38:25] noticed a change in water pressure. Um

[1:38:28] so the demand on the water system in

[1:38:30] that area and so the higher density in

[1:38:32] this new development would put more

[1:38:34] strain um on the water system and and

[1:38:37] water pressures for everyone around.

[1:38:40] Um

[1:38:44] I think just one other thing here.

[1:38:59] Um

[1:39:01] all of us are here because we're

[1:39:02] concerned about our city and um our own

[1:39:07] investment in our own properties as

[1:39:09] well. Um,

[1:39:11] and what's decided here tonight can

[1:39:13] determine property values of the

[1:39:15] surrounding areas. Um, and that that's

[1:39:17] what we're looking out for. Um,

[1:39:21] [snorts]

[1:39:25] another concern was that the some some

[1:39:29] residents feel like the staff um may be

[1:39:32] leaning more favorably to the developer

[1:39:34] than to the citizens. And so we want um

[1:39:37] our concerns to be heard and and I know

[1:39:40] that you guys listen to um the citizens

[1:39:43] as well. Um

[1:39:49] so you know our request would be just to

[1:39:52] do pass the R110

[1:39:54] um eliminate any future possibility of

[1:39:56] the overlay from from just right now

[1:39:59] just deny that. Um some one other thing

[1:40:05] um that I also wanted to bring up is

[1:40:08] relating to the plans the general plan

[1:40:10] and the east side comprehensive plan. Um

[1:40:12] in in the general plan it states as the

[1:40:16] city grows there will be a need to

[1:40:18] prepare small area plans to provide

[1:40:20] additional guidance in land use

[1:40:22] transportation utilities and other

[1:40:24] services for new planning areas. Small

[1:40:27] area plans contain a set of specific

[1:40:29] strategies for a specific specific

[1:40:31] geography that often has a cohesive set

[1:40:34] of characteristics.

[1:40:36] So my my understanding of that is that

[1:40:40] the general plan is like a high level

[1:40:42] plan, right? And these small area plans

[1:40:44] dig deeper into the details of of what

[1:40:48] specific needs are for that that

[1:40:51] specific neighborhood.

[1:40:53] Um,

[1:40:56] one thing that hasn't been brought up

[1:40:58] yet tonight is the water. The water

[1:40:59] table in this area is really high. Um,

[1:41:06] you're not going to be able to put

[1:41:07] basements in these homes without sump

[1:41:09] pumps or, you know, pumps to to pump

[1:41:12] sewer out of the basement because

[1:41:13] they're going to be below the water table and sewer lines

[1:41:17] are going to have to be up higher um in

[1:41:21] the streets. So, you're going to need

[1:41:22] some pumps to get a sewer out of the

[1:41:23] houses up to the to that main line. Um,

[1:41:27] so this is a perfect area for places,

[1:41:30] you know, homes that don't have

[1:41:31] basements that are catered to senior

[1:41:33] citizens.

[1:41:35] Um, where it's flat one-story level

[1:41:39] dwellings that don't require B that

[1:41:41] don't need a basement. Um,

[1:41:47] and I think um that that's about it

[1:41:51] unless there's

[1:41:53] any points that I missed.

[1:41:56] I think Okay, I think everybody's pretty

[1:41:59] happy with what I've said. So, I we

[1:42:00] appreciate the opportunity to speak even

[1:42:03] though we're legally you don't have to

[1:42:05] let us speak here at this point, but we

[1:42:07] appreciate that this opportunity. Thank

[1:42:09] you. You're glad glad to provide it.

[1:42:13] Yeah, Jeremy, thank you. This the way

[1:42:15] it's supposed to work and uh we we don't

[1:42:17] want to unnecessarily cut anybody off,

[1:42:19] but we have hard decisions that we have

[1:42:21] to make based on the information that we

[1:42:24] get. And uh so please don't don't ever

[1:42:28] believe that we don't listen. We do. And

[1:42:32] uh sometimes we have to swab a little

[1:42:35] hard so that uh maybe we win the we win the uh the the the battle but

[1:42:42] lose the war. So uh so to speak, we

[1:42:45] don't want the state to to uh uh do a

[1:42:49] statewide overlay and uh that would not

[1:42:52] be something would be in my opinion a

[1:42:55] very good thing for the for any city to have the state control it.

[1:43:00] Okay. Any any other questions that you

[1:43:03] have at this time, council

[1:43:06] >> discussion? Go ahead, Lacy.

[1:43:07] >> Oh, I was just going to just just kind

[1:43:10] of not really questions. I mean, well, I

[1:43:13] guess one question was that um

[1:43:17] Jeremy, when you the 55 and up, you

[1:43:20] know, with no basement kind of thing, I

[1:43:22] do think it's a great spot. But if we if

[1:43:25] you do the R110,

[1:43:27] I don't think a lot of people,

[1:43:30] if they're in a 55 and older community,

[1:43:32] they usually do that because they don't

[1:43:34] want a large law like that. Um, but

[1:43:41] » yeah, that was just that was just the

[1:43:42] first thing that popped in my head, but

[1:43:44] um I don't know if right now we can just

[1:43:46] hurry and just kind of give our thoughts

[1:43:47] and whatever or what we're doing.

[1:43:49] >> Well, uh, if there's any any questions

[1:43:51] or and if you don't want to have some

[1:43:53] thoughts, we can do, but we need to get

[1:43:55] to a point where we we entertain an

[1:43:57] emotion.

[1:43:57] >> I think it's important to have two

[1:43:59] discussion items on this. This is a big

[1:44:01] decision. Sure. Um, uh, mayor, I

[1:44:03] appreciate you opening it up, uh, for

[1:44:04] residents, uh, to be able to to speak.

[1:44:07] And, uh, I I I thank the the staff and

[1:44:10] residents and planning commission that

[1:44:11] attended the planning commission meeting

[1:44:13] on this. I know it was long and

[1:44:14] confusing. It was about like me trying

[1:44:16] to figure out the the cemetery fee

[1:44:18] schedule. It just it was just a hard

[1:44:19] meeting, right? So, thank you for uh,

[1:44:22] for making your voices heard. I promise

[1:44:24] we do hear you. Uh, we work for you.

[1:44:27] That's what our job is. And so, thank

[1:44:29] you for so many that have that have

[1:44:30] submitted. so many quality datadriven uh remarks and comments on this

[1:44:36] particular item. Um I do want to uh call

[1:44:41] out uh a few things. The the parking on

[1:44:44] the street uh while that is a reality,

[1:44:46] it's almost irrelevant, darn it, because

[1:44:47] you drive down my street and I've got

[1:44:49] cars and and vehicles parked on my

[1:44:51] street, too. So, it doesn't matter what

[1:44:52] zoning we do, people park on the street,

[1:44:54] especially as families get older and

[1:44:56] they have multiple drivers

[1:44:57] >> this time of year. Trailer houses.

[1:44:59] >> Yes. Yep. Um, I I also want to mention

[1:45:02] too that uh sometimes if we fear if we

[1:45:05] fear the state so much uh Mr. Mayor that that it affects our decision,

[1:45:10] they've almost already taken away the

[1:45:12] power of that law.

[1:45:12] >> I don't want to be afraid of the state.

[1:45:14] I just don't want to be a bad actor and uh and suffer the wrath of some some

[1:45:19] of them. I'm I'm not I'm not afraid to

[1:45:21] push back in any way, shape, or form.

[1:45:23] But we need to know when to push and

[1:45:24] when not to.

[1:45:25] >> Absolutely. Yes. And I think for this

[1:45:27] area, uh, and I do I do want to disclose

[1:45:30] I do live in a neighborhood adjacent to

[1:45:32] this to this parcel. Um, I don't believe

[1:45:35] it creates conflict of interest, but I

[1:45:36] do want to disclose that I I live next

[1:45:38] to it. Um, I think with this area, um,

[1:45:41] you know, that it has hit its mark with

[1:45:43] density. Uh, we we have increased

[1:45:46] density in East Pac with zero amenities.

[1:45:48] There's no parks. There's no there's no

[1:45:51] retail in East PAC. And so we're either

[1:45:54] uh driving into the middle of PAC or

[1:45:55] heaven forbid giving our precious sales

[1:45:57] tax dollars to Salem to do it. And so uh

[1:46:00] per this plan that the the current

[1:46:02] developer has submitted, I don't see any

[1:46:05] benefit uh to PAC as a whole for

[1:46:08] increasing density in this area without

[1:46:10] any additional uh amenities for the for

[1:46:14] the surrounding residents. Uh I think

[1:46:16] too that we will have the opportunity

[1:46:18] for density along the pacin parkway. But

[1:46:21] I think in this area if we fall back to

[1:46:23] the east side comprehensive plan it says

[1:46:25] that we should uh respect the styles and

[1:46:27] densities of established neighborhoods.

[1:46:29] And there are a lot of established

[1:46:30] neighborhoods in East PAC and not very

[1:46:33] many of them are smaller than 10,000

[1:46:35] square foot lots. And so that's

[1:46:37] something important to to consider as we

[1:46:39] make this decision. And so I I I I have

[1:46:42] fear of of giving away the farm for

[1:46:45] nothing. sometimes. And just to to

[1:46:47] everyone here, East Pacin is going to

[1:46:48] change a lot. And so, darn it, the only

[1:46:51] way to control what happens next door to

[1:46:52] you is if you own it. And I think too,

[1:46:54] we set a precedence of what we do

[1:46:56] tonight. Uh, but I do have fears of East

[1:46:58] PAC as more of these annexes come in. I

[1:47:01] know this is not an annex, but I have

[1:47:02] fear of East PAC turning this

[1:47:04] conglomerate of neverending culde-sacs

[1:47:06] because none of these communities are

[1:47:07] intertwined or connected. uh we need to

[1:47:09] get serious about making some hard

[1:47:11] decisions to truly plan this area out to

[1:47:14] make it truly the gateway of our city

[1:47:16] along SR 198. And so if if if we're

[1:47:19] going to change the plan, if if we want

[1:47:22] to deviate from the plan, I think we

[1:47:23] should heir on the side of lower

[1:47:26] density.

[1:47:29] Um, I just wanted to say kind of a reer

[1:47:32] reiterating what Ryan said. I I take

[1:47:36] this position very very seriously. I

[1:47:39] think everyone that emailed the only

[1:47:41] person I did not email back is Lee

[1:47:43] Timothy and that was because I just ran

[1:47:46] out of time. But every single person I

[1:47:50] replied back to, I really care. I

[1:47:53] frequent the area. Um,

[1:47:56] and as I looked at it, um, I I do like

[1:48:00] the the idea just what Ryan was saying,

[1:48:03] but I know that you have to have that

[1:48:06] buffer, but I do feel if you just go a

[1:48:09] little to the south, showing that road

[1:48:12] size, that is a buffer from residential

[1:48:15] to the hospital, residential to a town

[1:48:17] home. I feel like the roadside is a is a

[1:48:20] great buffer. Um, so that's my feelings

[1:48:22] on that. And then um I know there was

[1:48:27] something else but oh I was just going

[1:48:30] to say

[1:48:32] I know that and I said this to every

[1:48:34] person that I replied to 0.02 does not

[1:48:37] seem like a ton and I listened to all

[1:48:39] the replies as to why you felt that it

[1:48:41] was a difference. Um, but my thing to

[1:48:46] the one of the the developer is I know

[1:48:49] that people don't want to

[1:48:51] buy a a nicer home as you say next to

[1:48:55] apartments and town homes.

[1:48:58] All of these residents I feel like that

[1:49:00] are sitting in here that are against it,

[1:49:02] they also built and purchased their home

[1:49:04] looking at a general plan, looking at

[1:49:06] the surrounding neighborhood

[1:49:08] and they don't they wouldn't have that

[1:49:10] choice. that's why they're here is to

[1:49:12] fight for that um as to why they chose

[1:49:15] their home. So that's just my feelings

[1:49:18] on it. So

[1:49:19] >> do you have anything to add?

[1:49:22] >> I just got a few things. Thanks

[1:49:24] everybody for um getting coming here and

[1:49:28] also voicing your opinions. Um one thing

[1:49:32] I look at is I like to look at the

[1:49:36] planning zoning. They've spent a lot of

[1:49:38] time making decisions about this. Uh

[1:49:41] staff's worked on this for a long time

[1:49:43] and I value their opinions also. And

[1:49:46] then I look at R19 versus R110.

[1:49:51] There are lots of fairly similar in

[1:49:53] size, but I think that um I don't want

[1:49:56] the multifamily the overlay, but the one

[1:49:59] R19 gives that opportunity, but we have

[1:50:02] the discretion here to deny that. And so

[1:50:06] I think this gives a little bit of

[1:50:08] compromise that that maybe they won't

[1:50:10] come back and want on the uh overlay and

[1:50:14] then they get a little bit smaller lots.

[1:50:16] So hopefully that will take care of

[1:50:19] that. They won't come back and but it'll

[1:50:21] still be nice size lots. 9,000 square

[1:50:24] feet is a nice size lot. So I'm fine

[1:50:27] with the staff recommendations.

[1:50:32] » Um I appreciate everything that everyone

[1:50:34] has said. We really do listen. I value

[1:50:36] this position very very much. And I've

[1:50:39] been in in similar situations as you

[1:50:43] where um my whole neighborhood came in

[1:50:47] uh years ago to make our voices heard.

[1:50:50] Um so I sympathize with you. I I know

[1:50:54] how you're feeling. Um I also

[1:50:58] uh I also agree with with what Ryan said

[1:51:02] about the state and calling us a bad

[1:51:03] actor. um not everybody up there feels

[1:51:06] that way towards us and I don't think we

[1:51:07] should cater to what a couple of people

[1:51:10] in power say. So um because this is our

[1:51:13] town, this is where we live and um how

[1:51:18] we feel and where we live um and where

[1:51:22] we live our lives matters more than what

[1:51:25] they say. So um

[1:51:29] just a second.

[1:51:32] So, so I value what the staff has done.

[1:51:36] They've done a lot of work. I value um

[1:51:41] all the emails and all the opinions that

[1:51:43] I've received. Um I live near the

[1:51:46] Heritage I think it's Heritage Fields

[1:51:48] over by Walmart. And um it took a long

[1:51:53] time because there was an owner and then

[1:51:57] the recession happened in 2007 and 2008.

[1:52:01] They couldn't get anything. No, nothing

[1:52:04] was selling. That's why it took so long.

[1:52:07] So when they switched owners and they

[1:52:10] switched plan, then it took off and the

[1:52:12] economy had changed. Then it took off

[1:52:14] and it was very well established and

[1:52:17] sold quickly and it's an excellent

[1:52:19] neighborhood for retirees. Um we do need

[1:52:23] more and and they're not single level. I

[1:52:25] mean there's single level single level

[1:52:27] living and then they have basements but

[1:52:30] um we do need to take care of our our

[1:52:33] retirees.

[1:52:35] But I just want I I I'm leaning towards

[1:52:39] um the R110

[1:52:41] because I don't like the overlay as

[1:52:43] well. I don't I prefer not to have mixed

[1:52:50] traditional homes with town homes or

[1:52:54] twin homes. Um but this project

[1:52:56] >> I'm

[1:53:00] sound okay.

[1:53:01] >> No.

[1:53:03] [laughter] Um, but I value everything,

[1:53:06] all the information. I'm really, really

[1:53:07] soaking it all in and I want to make the

[1:53:09] best decision possible for the people

[1:53:12] who live there already.

[1:53:15] >> Okay.

[1:53:18] I I uh I think there's a great

[1:53:21] compromise here, but I lean towards the

[1:53:24] R19

[1:53:26] very very strongly, but the possibility

[1:53:28] of the overlay sour me on this

[1:53:32] particular project. Uh I I just don't

[1:53:36] think that that is a that is a buffer

[1:53:39] between the hospital or wherever staff

[1:53:41] would recommend those be put. So, I I'm

[1:53:44] in favor of remanding this back to staff

[1:53:47] with the applicant and

[1:53:50] R19 would be my strong suggestion

[1:53:53] without any possibility of an overlay.

[1:53:57] >> Okay.

[1:53:59] >> Can we put that in the motion that we uh

[1:54:02] we're okay with R19 without any

[1:54:05] possibility of overlay?

[1:54:09] >> I don't I don't know that without like

[1:54:11] at a development agreement. I don't know

[1:54:12] that you could actually do that, but

[1:54:15] yeah,

[1:54:17] >> I know there was another comment, but

[1:54:19] we've had plenty of discussion on this

[1:54:21] item. So, I I would ask that

[1:54:30] » we we need to do one and then the other.

[1:54:33] >> Yes. So, the first one here is this East

[1:54:34] Side comprehensive plan. These are some

[1:54:36] suggested motions.

[1:54:38] >> Mayor, can you turn on your microphone?

[1:54:41] Mayor.

[1:54:42] >> Oh, sorry.

[1:54:43] >> It must have turned off by itself.

[1:54:45] Sorry.

[1:54:47] Okay. So, I'm ready for a motion on item

[1:54:50] number four.

[1:54:52] >> I

[1:54:55] don't mean I was going to do a motion to

[1:54:57] approval of a um different amendment of

[1:55:00] the east side comprehensive plan that

[1:55:02] the traditional

[1:55:04] designation as identified in the east

[1:55:06] side comprehensive the ESCP.

[1:55:11] Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Uh

[1:55:14] we'll go roll call vote starting with

[1:55:17] council provoscard.

[1:55:18] >> Yes.

[1:55:19] >> Council Moss,

[1:55:20] >> yes.

[1:55:21] >> Council Roelly,

[1:55:22] >> yes.

[1:55:22] >> Council Hillet,

[1:55:23] >> yes.

[1:55:24] >> Council Smith,

[1:55:25] >> yes.

[1:55:25] >> Okay, motion carries. Thank you. We'll

[1:55:28] go to number five, ordinance, uh

[1:55:31] Manglesen zone change request, uh R1A to

[1:55:35] R19.

[1:55:37] Okay. Uh, is there a motion for that

[1:55:40] item?

[1:55:41] >> Mayor, I motion that we amend the

[1:55:43] request and shown as Omegle's own

[1:55:45] request from R1A to R110.

[1:55:49] » Okay, we have a motion and been

[1:55:51] seconded. Roll call vote starting with

[1:55:54] council Smith.

[1:55:55] >> Yes.

[1:55:56] >> Council Hlet.

[1:55:57] >> Uh, no. And the reason is because um I

[1:56:00] know that if for multifamily it'd have

[1:56:03] to come back to us and we could deny

[1:56:05] that.

[1:56:06] >> Okay. Council Rolley,

[1:56:08] >> yes.

[1:56:08] >> Council Moss,

[1:56:10] >> yes.

[1:56:11] >> Council Postcar,

[1:56:12] >> yes.

[1:56:13] >> Okay, motion carries.

[1:56:14] >> And mine carries because

[1:56:16] it still leaves a

[1:56:19] >> if we Yep. with the overlay and I'm just

[1:56:21] not comfortable with that.

[1:56:23] >> Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it's been a

[1:56:25] pleasure to have you be here. I have

[1:56:27] been in meetings that have been a little

[1:56:29] bit ruckus and I don't like those

[1:56:31] meetings and I don't think any of you

[1:56:33] really would either. But my compliment

[1:56:35] is to you uh thank you for for being

[1:56:39] here number one and and doing it in in

[1:56:41] an orderly fashion.

[1:56:43] >> Thank you so much.

[1:56:48] » Absolutely. So we just we just changed

[1:56:49] the designation from active living to

[1:56:51] traditional uh with a minimum of 10,000

[1:56:54] square foot lots.

[1:56:55] >> So there is no possibility of

[1:56:56] >> no possibility of an overlay.

[1:56:58] >> Correct.

[1:57:02] No density single family homes.

[1:57:05] >> Yeah, go ahead and clap on that one.

[1:57:12] » Thank you.

[1:57:27] » A lot of these people don't

[1:57:33] Well,

[1:57:37] » that that's why that's why I felt like

[1:57:39] it's was very important to give some

[1:57:42] people an opportunity to talk.

[1:57:44] >> Thank you for explaining that.

[1:57:46] >> You bet. Thank you. Okay. Uh I'm ready

[1:57:50] for a motion to join to adjourn to a

[1:57:52] closed meeting.

[1:57:53] >> So moved.

[1:57:54] >> Second.

[1:57:55] >> Okay. All in favor say I.

[1:57:57] >> I.

[1:57:58] >> Good. Any oppose? Nope.

[1:58:04] » I do. You want me to do it?

[1:58:14] » Bob, turn on your microphone.

[1:58:17] >> They turned

[1:58:20] >> at 7:57

[1:58:22] uh to discuss the purchase, exchange,

[1:58:24] sale, or lease of real property. Okay.

[1:58:27] You missed

[1:58:29] >> better

[1:58:30] >> then. We we we we [laughter]

[1:58:32] got that.

[1:58:32] >> We have to have roll call.

[1:58:33] >> Yes, we do.

[1:58:36] >> Okay. Roll call.

[1:58:37] >> Yes.

[1:58:38] >> Roll call.

[1:58:39] >> Yes.

[1:58:41] >> Okay. Unanimous.

[1:58:44] >> I love my little doll.

[1:58:45] >> Me, too.

[1:58:46] >> Oh my gosh.

[1:58:47] >> I was scared it was a rude doll of us.

[1:58:50] I'll be stabbing it in the watching

[1:58:52] >> in the crowd.

[1:58:54] >> I haven't either. I have curious. The

[1:58:56] time.

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