[0:00] It's

[0:02] >> today is uh July the 1st uh uh PAC city

[0:06] council meeting. The time is we'll say

[0:08] about a minute after 6. Uh I'll go ahead

[0:12] and open this meeting with a word of

[0:14] prayer.

[0:18] Father in heaven, as we come to thee at

[0:20] this time, we're so very thankful for

[0:22] the

[0:25] city of PAC and for the atmosphere

[0:27] that's here, for the safety that we

[0:30] enjoy. We're thankful for the precious

[0:33] moisture that we have had and would ask

[0:36] thee to please provide us with more

[0:38] moisture for our needs through the

[0:40] summer. And would ask also, Father, to

[0:43] bless us with more moisture during the

[0:45] winter months ahead that uh we can

[0:48] uh rest somewhat easy as far as our

[0:51] water needs are concerned. Please,

[0:54] Father, help us as citizens and council

[0:56] to be mindful of thee and be mindful of

[1:00] the future of our city.

[1:03] Help us make good decisions for our

[1:05] future. And I say this in the name of

[1:06] Jesus Christ. Amen.

[1:08] >> Amen.

[1:09] >> We'll have Robert Mills lead us in the

[1:12] pledge.

[1:14] >> Please rise and join me in the pledge of

[1:15] allegiance.

[1:17] I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[1:20] United States of America and to the

[1:23] republic for which it stands. One nation

[1:26] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:30] justice for all.

[1:31] >> Thank you, Robert.

[1:35] Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we'll go on

[1:37] to see the consent agenda. The approval

[1:40] of the June 17th, 2026 city council

[1:43] minutes. Number two, approving an

[1:46] interlocal agreement with Utah County

[1:48] for the drug prevention grant and

[1:51] program. Number three, resolution uh

[1:54] approving a contract with MAG for the

[1:57] fiscal year 2027 meals on wheels

[2:00] conjugate meal program

[2:04] and number four victim services report.

[2:07] Council, if there's no uh discussion on

[2:09] these items, I'm ready for a motion.

[2:11] >> Have one quick question. mayor maybe.

[2:14] And this has nothing to do with

[2:15] approving anything, but

[2:17] >> for the meals on wheels, who qualifies

[2:19] that and how do they how does that work?

[2:21] I I have no idea. So,

[2:24] >> I I can answer some of that if you'd

[2:25] like. They have to be homebound pretty

[2:27] much. It doesn't matter what age they

[2:30] are, but they have to be homebound and

[2:32] can't can't get out to to take care of

[2:34] themselves and and then have the ability

[2:37] to function within the home. Uh but uh

[2:41] they they're not they're homebound

[2:43] pretty much.

[2:43] >> So who finds them?

[2:47] >> Uh family members can call in and uh and

[2:49] reference them. Uh I have found some and

[2:52] referenced them as well. Um and they

[2:55] have uh they not only depend on our

[2:57] funding, but they're they're uh going it

[2:59] sounds like they'll be part of the

[3:01] giving tree this year. And then they

[3:03] were able to establish a nonprofit to be

[3:05] able to accept some of that funding as

[3:07] well. They they currently have uh over

[3:10] 200 people that are on a waiting list

[3:13] that cannot get in there because they

[3:14] don't have the funding. And so the the

[3:16] giving tree is going going to help uh

[3:19] fund much of that.

[3:20] >> So we have people in PAC that can't get

[3:23] it even though we're contributing.

[3:24] There's not enough money to do.

[3:26] >> Yeah. It's not just a PAC problem. It's

[3:29] countywide and Okay.

[3:30] >> And but they they and during CO there

[3:33] was much more of a need than there is

[3:36] now. and it was funded with with CO

[3:38] money, but that money is no longer there

[3:40] and so it's a it's a struggle to get it

[3:42] back to the level they need.

[3:44] >> Thank you, Mayor.

[3:46] >> Anything to add, Robert and Dave?

[3:48] >> Oh, I I would just add that I I think

[3:51] that there's also a constant need for

[3:52] volunteers to help deliver those meals.

[3:55] Um, so if you have any interest, contact

[3:57] MAG. And just so where I go out at least

[4:00] once a year with them and visit with

[4:02] there's about eight to 10 people here in

[4:04] PAC that are benefiting from that. Okay.

[4:08] Any other questions, comments?

[4:11] >> Okay, I'm ready for a motion.

[4:13] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the

[4:15] consent agenda.

[4:17] >> A second.

[4:18] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded.

[4:20] Requires a roll call vote starting with

[4:24] council uh Smith.

[4:27] >> Yes. Council Hullet.

[4:29] >> Yes.

[4:29] >> Council Rolley.

[4:32] >> Roelly. Yes.

[4:33] >> And didn't I say Rolley? And then I'll

[4:35] find I thought just when I said that

[4:37] Ann, are you there?

[4:38] >> Yes, I am.

[4:40] >> Okay. Your vote.

[4:41] >> Yes.

[4:42] >> Thank you. Motion carries.

[4:45] Okay. Going to D petitions of the month.

[4:47] I guess I get to jump in there because

[4:50] uh council provost guard is not able to

[4:54] attend here either on uh in person or on

[4:57] uh a zoom. So I will go to that.

[5:12] We got a picture up. Okay. if uh we

[5:16] could have Brady Theobal and his wife

[5:19] come on up.

[5:21] Just so that just by way of explanation,

[5:24] the beautifification committee is very

[5:26] active. Bob is chairing that committee

[5:29] and we really want to one step at a time

[5:32] beautify our city and you've been that

[5:36] uh lucky uh home this time and it's very

[5:40] welld deserved. So, thank you very very

[5:43] much. And uh along with this is a a gift

[5:49] card for Molson's Garden Shop for $100.

[5:52] And uh we appreciate the effort that

[5:55] you've obviously went to with your home

[5:57] and uh making us proud of not only your

[6:00] home but our community. Would you like

[6:02] to say anything?

[6:04] Brady, come on back. Make your wife do

[6:06] it. Tell us a little bit about your

[6:08] house.

[6:09] >> No, this is actually kind of fun. We

[6:11] spent a lot of time together and kind of

[6:14] dreaming this up and with our kids and

[6:16] future grandkids. So, uh, if anything,

[6:20] yards do kind of group you together as,

[6:23] uh, marriage and it's been awesome.

[6:26] >> Good. Congratulations.

[7:09] Okay, we do one each each month. And

[7:13] this this one's entitled most improve

[7:15] improved yard of the month. It does not

[7:17] mean it was a bad yard, [laughter]

[7:20] but it uh is a very very nice yard. And

[7:23] again, it's part of our effort as the

[7:25] beautifification committee to reward

[7:27] people that are taking an interest in

[7:29] their homes and uh being proud of them

[7:32] and being proud of part part of Pacin

[7:34] City. You can see that home is very very

[7:37] nice and uh I've rolled by it a number

[7:40] of times. So with Tyson and Brienne

[7:42] Sparrow, come on up.

[7:53] As I said before, I appreciate you being

[7:55] here.

[7:56] >> Congratulations.

[7:59] >> Stay here.

[8:03] » Why don't you come up and tell us a

[8:04] little bit about your home?

[8:07] [laughter]

[8:10] Um we moved into that area um two years

[8:13] ago and there was a little bit of grass

[8:15] when we moved in and then the uh planter

[8:18] boxes but the rest was weeds. So

[8:20] >> that's why it's the most improved house.

[8:23] [laughter]

[8:24] >> And then uh I have the same sentiment

[8:26] that um Brady talked about. We have

[8:28] grandkids, two grandkids, and we do all

[8:31] those projects together as a family and

[8:33] it's it's wonderful.

[8:35] >> Teresa, raise your hand and show

[8:37] everybody. Teresa Carter's part of this

[8:39] beautifification committee. Should have

[8:40] had her come up. So,

[8:42] >> no.

[8:43] >> Okay, great. Let's have a picture.

[8:45] >> Now's the time.

[9:09] Thank you.

[9:13] » Thank you.

[9:24] Lacy, could you grab me my glasses I

[9:27] laid on that

[9:28] >> on that podium?

[9:29] >> I'm lost without them.

[9:32] >> They're just readers.

[9:39] » Okay, we'll go ahead and uh go to number

[9:43] two, public form. Anyone can speak to us

[9:45] on a subject that's not on the the

[9:47] agenda. And if you'd like to do that,

[9:50] please come up to the the mic and let us

[9:53] know who you are.

[9:55] Let us know your concerns.

[10:00] Not seeing anyone in the congregation to

[10:03] come up. Is there anybody online or are

[10:06] Okay. Sorry, I'm a little bit quick on

[10:09] the update. Come on up.

[10:10] >> You betcha.

[10:15] You're good.

[10:17] just let us uh give us your name and

[10:19] we'll be happy.

[10:22] >> My name is Marilyn Mikum and I live in

[10:25] Rosewood Estates which is across the

[10:28] street from the hospital. We're very

[10:30] concerned. We live in a 55 plus

[10:32] community and uh we would like to

[10:36] respectfully request that our city

[10:38] streets get some attention. They look

[10:41] terrible.

[10:42] >> Okay. Uh I myself went out and dug some

[10:45] weeds not too long ago.

[10:48] It was horrible.

[10:50] The streets cracked and we have weeds

[10:53] that are some of them 12 in high growing

[10:55] in the cracks.

[10:57] We would like to have a crack sealed in

[10:59] at the best.

[11:01] Another issue is the heavy truck traffic

[11:03] that is related to the current

[11:05] construction at the property owned by

[11:07] Scott Phillips. There are three good

[11:11] access paved roads into his property,

[11:14] but they are blocked off to public

[11:16] traffic. There's one paved street that

[11:20] gives closer access to his property, but

[11:22] is piled with rock with another further

[11:25] north with both entrances accessed off

[11:28] at 10,00 East. A third one is on 330

[11:32] North off 1140 east. We wonder what

[11:36] gives him the right to block off the

[11:39] public streets that are marked, road

[11:41] work closed. That has been there for a

[11:44] long time.

[11:46] However, he uses our street to bring his

[11:48] double trailer trucks, big trucks,

[11:51] cement trucks, uh, belly dumps. This

[11:55] morning, I seen a big long trailer with

[11:58] heavy cement things of some kind, maybe

[12:02] for a maybe for more closures. Uh

[12:06] anyway, he he has built a

[12:11] um

[12:13] gravel road cleared clear north at the

[12:17] end of our condos that the trucks are

[12:19] able to go in there and uh anyway, we

[12:23] we'd really appreciate your

[12:24] consideration of these two issues.

[12:27] >> You bet. Well, you're you're on record

[12:29] now.

[12:29] >> Okay.

[12:30] >> You're on record now. We'll we'll follow

[12:32] that up.

[12:32] >> Thank you so much.

[12:42] Okay. Anyone else uh wanting to address

[12:46] us?

[12:48] Come on up, April.

[12:51] You just barely made it, didn't you?

[12:53] [laughter]

[12:54] >> Just finished teaching dance.

[12:57] >> Okay. I'm April Jones.

[13:00] Did I need anything else? I missed that

[13:02] whole announcement part. Um, PAC

[13:04] resident and I am a member of the PAC

[13:07] Scottish Festival Committee. So, I am

[13:09] here tonight to invite each of you to

[13:11] this year's Scottish Festival. It will

[13:14] be happening next Friday, Saturday.

[13:17] Everything official starts about 5:00

[13:20] p.m. next Friday. We have our

[13:22] entertainment on the um band stand. We

[13:26] have our pipe solo competitions and our

[13:29] drum solo competitions happening in the

[13:31] evening. And then we will have a special

[13:35] pipe evening. It's just solo pipers, but we'll be

[13:41] doing it in the corner. It's kind of a

[13:43] fun thing to attend if you enjoy just

[13:44] some folk pipe music. And that will be

[13:48] as soon as the pipe band competitions,

[13:50] the solo competitions are over over. And

[13:52] that's on Friday evening. And then on

[13:55] Saturday, we will start bright and early

[13:58] and we want to invite you to come be in

[14:00] our parade. So, the parade will begin at

[14:04] the new era building. We would love for

[14:07] each of you to come and march if you

[14:09] want. We um have t-shirts available for

[14:12] you at the information booth. If you

[14:14] would like one, just let them know. Your

[14:16] name will be there and they'll just get

[14:18] you the size that you would like for

[14:20] that. And then um once again, you want

[14:24] to get down to the new era building. We

[14:26] do have a few kilts. If you really want

[14:28] to be traditional and wear a kilt,

[14:31] you're welcome to. We check those out at

[14:33] the information booth. If you

[14:34] >> guys wear a kilt every year

[14:36] >> with cowboy boots.

[14:38] >> If you want to wear a kilt with cowboy

[14:40] boots, we encourage other people to, but

[14:43] it actually might infringe on the

[14:44] mayor's reputation. He's we we are known

[14:49] for that in the Scottish world. And so,

[14:52] um, the parade will begin at the new era

[14:53] building and

[14:56] gracious, you need to be there before

[14:59] 9:30. Um,

[15:01] >> and April, just to clarify, this is the

[15:02] 10th and 11th.

[15:04] >> This is the 10th and 11th of July. So,

[15:06] this weekend we have 4th of July and

[15:08] next weekend we're rolling with our

[15:10] Scottish festival.

[15:13] So, and then, um, games will begin.

[15:15] We'll have our official opening

[15:17] ceremonies over at Park View. We would

[15:19] love you to come and be dignitaries.

[15:21] We'll just introduce you. You really

[15:22] don't have to say anything and then you

[15:24] can watch the festivities. You can

[15:26] attend any of the events. We will have

[15:27] dancing in Park View. Dancing actually

[15:30] begins as early as 8:00 a.m. The

[15:33] athletics will begin at 8:00 a.m. and

[15:35] they're on the over by the bath house.

[15:38] And then the band competition doesn't

[15:40] begin until approximately 1 and it's

[15:43] over by the bear cage. live

[15:45] entertainment on the band stand

[15:46] throughout the day and it will wrap up

[15:48] around 56.

[15:50] So, we just want to extend a formal

[15:52] invitation for you to all come if you're

[15:55] not busy. We would love to see you

[15:56] there.

[15:57] >> Thank you, April.

[15:58] >> You're so welcome.

[16:00] >> Scottish Festival.

[16:02] >> Any questions?

[16:04] >> Anything you want to know about?

[16:05] >> We're just glad that that you're here

[16:07] and that we've been able to link up with

[16:09] the Scottish festival itself for years.

[16:11] It was just a standalone Scottish

[16:13] festival. Now we've joined the hands so

[16:15] to speak and it's a official patient

[16:18] city activity. So thank you.

[16:19] >> We are so grateful for the partnership

[16:21] that we have with you. So thank you.

[16:23] >> Thanks April.

[16:24] >> Okay. Thank you.

[16:32] » Okay.

[16:34] Doesn't look like anyone else is is

[16:36] coming up at this time. Is there anybody

[16:38] online? Emily.

[16:40] Okay. We'll go ahead and close the

[16:42] public forum and we'll move on to staff

[16:44] reports. Any of the staff like to

[16:47] address us.

[16:50] Thank you, Chief.

[16:56] I just want to let you know we're having

[16:57] National Night Out on August 4th and

[16:59] then we're going to change it to

[17:00] Memorial Park this year so we have some

[17:02] shade and a little more room to to

[17:04] stretch out there. So, we'd love to have

[17:05] you come if you're able to make it.

[17:08] >> What time?

[17:09] >> From 6:00 till 8. What time?

[17:11] >> 6 Del

[17:14] free hot dogs, Ryan.

[17:19] » Free donated hot dogs. Even [laughter]

[17:28] another chief.

[17:34] Travis is jealous because he's not as

[17:36] fast as us, I guess.

[17:40] Mayor and council is good to be here

[17:41] with you today. Um just let you know a

[17:44] couple things. Um we've had firefighters

[17:46] out on the the fire out in Eureka um

[17:50] last weekend um for three or four days

[17:52] helping out on those fires and structure

[17:54] protection. Um so it's been interesting

[17:57] to help out there and as you know as the

[18:00] new incident command comes in and type

[18:02] three teams it takes a while to get new

[18:04] resources in and so we help till they

[18:06] get there. Um it's been a crazy year

[18:10] with all the dryness and lack of

[18:13] moisture, but it was um good to see the

[18:16] moisture we got because you saw what it

[18:17] did to those fires. Just having the

[18:19] cooler temperatures and the little bit

[18:20] of rain that we got, it makes a big

[18:22] difference. So, we've got our fireworks

[18:25] coming up this weekend, um the 2nd

[18:27] through the 5th. So, we'll have um

[18:30] people out through the city patrolling

[18:32] and making sure that people are doing

[18:34] the correct um fireworks um because

[18:38] there's always people that love to go

[18:39] buy them in uh Wyoming and they're not a

[18:41] safe and sane fireworks. So, those types

[18:44] do come down with hot embers where the

[18:46] fireworks we buy um locally are safe and

[18:49] sane. So, um they don't come down with

[18:51] hot embers. That makes a huge

[18:52] difference. So, we'll have people out

[18:54] patrolling for that, looking um in those

[18:56] areas, especially the restricted areas

[18:59] um and helping enforce that. So,

[19:01] hopefully we have a quiet weekend with

[19:04] not a lot of issues or problems. Um we

[19:07] we've been out working trying to get a

[19:09] lot of the lots uh through the city um

[19:12] cleaned up with weeds. Um unfortunately

[19:15] we had an incident with one today um

[19:18] where we've asked them to get it done

[19:20] and they wanted a couple more weeks and

[19:21] we told them they'll get it done today

[19:23] or tomorrow and uh they were completely

[19:26] done putting um trash and stuff in their

[19:29] bags and turn around their lawnmower was

[19:30] on fire. Started the lot on fire.

[19:34] Didn't go very far but um anyway um so

[19:37] we've been out trying to get that. So,

[19:39] Fire Marshall Kilmer's been talking to a

[19:41] lot of people and trying to get weeds

[19:42] and stuff cleaned up and mowed to help

[19:44] out with the situation. So, thank you

[19:47] for all your support.

[19:50] >> Could I just tag on to you a little bit?

[19:51] Uh, Chief, uh, you know, we been been

[19:54] able to coordinate with the mayor

[19:56] Jenkins of Eureka and also been able to

[20:00] coordinate with his name's Ben trying to

[20:03] see it here on my phone, Ben Donner.

[20:06] He's the uh the executive director for

[20:09] the Red Cross and for this area in

[20:13] southern Utah. So we we've been in act

[20:16] active trying to make sure that whatever

[20:18] they need we we get to them.

[20:21] >> Yeah. And it's sad to see all that

[20:22] acreage burn. That's a lot of acres.

[20:25] >> Yeah.

[20:25] >> So take a lot of years for it to come

[20:27] back. So Okay. Thanks.

[20:38] » Any other staff?

[20:41] Okay, we'll move on to uh council

[20:43] reports starting with council.

[20:46] Oh, let me let me before I forget, let's

[20:48] start with Ann because she's on she's on

[20:50] the I'll forget her. Ann, would you like

[20:52] to

[20:53] >> Yeah, I can start. Um, first I'd like to

[20:56] thank all the firefighters that have

[20:58] been out helping and um we're so

[21:01] grateful for them and all that they do

[21:02] and and all the knowledge and and

[21:05] abilities they bring to the table and

[21:07] keeping everyone and property safe. Um,

[21:10] I'd also like to thank uh

[21:14] Chief Bishop for meeting with me last

[21:16] week. Um, he gave me a tour of the

[21:18] police station and told me what was

[21:21] working, what what wasn't, what their

[21:23] needs were, and I'd like to have a

[21:26] discussion on what we can do to get that

[21:30] ball rolling. Um,

[21:33] and

[21:35] can't believe the Scottish festival is

[21:37] coming up already. That was I feel like

[21:38] we were just in the parade yesterday.

[21:41] So, I'm so excited for it. It's one of

[21:43] my favorite things. And thanks to all

[21:45] the staff and that's all I've got.

[21:47] Thanks.

[21:48] >> Thank you. And Council Broly.

[21:51] >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, Chief.

[21:52] Thanks for your support and for sending

[21:54] some brush trucks and guys to help with

[21:55] the Eureka fire. Uh that was that was

[21:58] one of the last areas around us that had

[21:59] actual trees on mountains. So, it is

[22:01] heartbreaking to see that burnt by

[22:02] Cherry Creek and by Eureka. Grateful

[22:04] that our neighbors didn't lose any

[22:06] structures that they had a good

[22:07] evacuation and then the wildland

[22:09] firefighters, all the fire department

[22:10] was able to fight off that fire. So,

[22:12] thank you. And obviously as Pac City, we

[22:15] stand with all of those affected by the loss of those wildland firefighters

[22:18] here in the state of Utah that were

[22:20] fighting the fire on the Colorado Utah

[22:22] border. That was a hard day to lose

[22:23] three firefighters in one day. So our

[22:25] hearts and thoughts and prayers go out

[22:27] to those family and to that crew. Um I

[22:30] am so thankful for the planning

[22:32] commission and for Jill and Anders and for all the help that they do with

[22:35] the developmental services. I am

[22:38] grateful for all the the residents that

[22:40] take time to come out and voice concerns

[22:42] as well. Well, and I'm just I'm really

[22:43] proud of the planning commission in the

[22:45] last few meetings on how they've they've

[22:46] handled uh things and how they've uh uh

[22:49] they've answered questions and tried to

[22:51] adjust their decisions according to

[22:53] their residents and I'm thankful for

[22:55] them.

[22:57] I uh I'm so grateful for this this time

[23:00] of year. I was uh I was doing some

[23:04] reading

[23:05] and I I'd never I'd never found this out

[23:08] in regards to the the Declaration of

[23:09] Independence. In the original draft of

[23:13] the Declaration of Independence that

[23:14] Thomas Jefferson drafted, he used some

[23:17] words that uh that I'd never read before

[23:19] because he didn't end up using them and

[23:20] got changed.

[23:22] But uh he said when in the course of

[23:24] human events it becomes necessary for a

[23:26] people to advance from that

[23:28] subordination in which they have

[23:30] hitherto remained and to assume among

[23:32] the powers of earth the equal and ind

[23:34] independent station to which the laws of

[23:36] nature and nature's god entitle them. A

[23:39] decent respect to the opinions of

[23:41] mankind requires that all should declare

[23:44] the causes which impel them to change.

[23:46] And these are the words he he changed in

[23:48] the declaration. But the original draft

[23:49] says this. We hold these truths to be

[23:53] sacred and undeniable.

[23:56] Obviously, he changes them to we hold

[23:58] these truths to be self-evident. But

[24:00] that idea that we hold these truths to

[24:02] be sacred and undeniable. I love the

[24:05] United States of America. I truly

[24:07] believe it is the best country upon the

[24:09] whole entire earth and that we must

[24:12] stand as a beacon of hope and truth and

[24:14] democracy for the whole world to see.

[24:16] And that takes all of us playing that

[24:18] little small part. and in the words of

[24:20] Thomas Jefferson that we hold these

[24:21] truths to be sacred and undeniable. I

[24:24] hope that we don't let this this country

[24:26] or its founding or the blood that was

[24:28] spilled to get us here become common

[24:30] place. I hope we hold them sacred. I

[24:33] hope we hold our our oath sacred that we

[24:35] each took uh when we were elected and

[24:37] all of us uh that we do to hold up the Constitution.

[24:42] And I find it so interesting that 50

[24:44] years after the signing of the

[24:46] Declaration of Independence, both John

[24:49] Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on the

[24:51] same day, July 4th.

[24:54] And uh those those two men were uh were

[24:57] friends and and rivals and they both

[25:00] died at the age of they both died on

[25:03] July 4th, 1826, 50 years after signing

[25:07] the Declaration of Independence, dying

[25:09] on the same day. So, I think that's a

[25:10] pretty pretty interesting coincidence.

[25:13] But, uh, this this country is going to

[25:15] take all of us to continue to move on

[25:17] another 250 years. And I know we're up

[25:19] to the task. Uh, President Ronald Reagan

[25:22] said that if someone's agreeing with me

[25:24] about 60 or 70% of the time, I'd call

[25:26] them a friend. And if someone agrees

[25:28] with me 100% of the time, they're not a

[25:30] friend. They're just a yes man. And so

[25:32] I'm grateful that we can sit up here and

[25:34] have disagreements and know that we

[25:36] agree 60 70% of the time, but we don't

[25:39] always agree. And that's a good thing.

[25:40] We're here representing uh different

[25:42] ways of life, different upbringings, and

[25:45] different uh and different points of

[25:47] view. So that's why we're all here as

[25:48] elected officials. And this this form of

[25:50] government does work. It's the best one

[25:52] out there. And I'm grateful and proud to

[25:54] be part of it. And uh happy Independence

[25:58] Day to everyone this weekend. Thank you.

[26:01] Ryan. Council Hulet.

[26:02] >> Yeah, I just got a couple quick things

[26:04] here. Um, uh, this Friday night at

[26:06] downtown from 6:00 to 8:00, there's

[26:09] event downtown. And then also everybody,

[26:12] I just hope you have a great Fourth of

[26:14] July. [clears throat] Be safe.

[26:17] >> Lacy,

[26:19] >> um, I'm gonna say ditto to everything

[26:22] Ryan said. I'm super excited every year

[26:24] for America's birthday, but just a

[26:27] little bit extra special. And I even got

[26:30] the the special plates, which if anyone

[26:33] hasn't seen them, they're pretty sharp

[26:35] and they don't cost any extra. They're

[26:37] not like a special plate, but they're

[26:39] only good. You can only get them for one

[26:40] year, the license plates on your car.

[26:43] They look really good. So, and it

[26:45] celebrates America's 250th. But, um, I

[26:49] also want to say thanks to all the

[26:51] firefighters and first responders,

[26:53] everyone that was involved in the all of

[26:55] the fires that are going on in our

[26:57] state. Um, my niece was evacuated twice

[26:59] in Eureka. her her shed was scorched a

[27:03] little and so it it was a little close

[27:05] to home and um I too live in obviously a

[27:10] high area and so this finally scared me

[27:13] enough that I went on and bought um fire

[27:17] boxes for every single one of my kids to

[27:19] put their special memorable things in

[27:21] and they're just ready to go just in

[27:23] case they're in a spot that if we that

[27:25] were to happen you just there's certain

[27:27] things that are not um replaceable. So

[27:30] if anyone else that might spark

[27:33] something. But the last thing I have is

[27:36] I know we've talked about engaging

[27:40] residents and ed like giving more

[27:43] information on things. Um so I'd really

[27:47] like to see where we are on stuff like

[27:49] that. My other thing is our local

[27:52] neighbors are kicking our trash on

[27:55] engagement on social media and I think

[27:58] it is helping their city a lot. Um I

[28:02] know that Santa Quinn's huge on it right

[28:04] now. Salem, Spanish Fork, they're just

[28:07] engaging online where people are. And I

[28:10] think it would be great if we can all

[28:12] kind of come together and maybe think of

[28:14] ideas to

[28:16] that could be our easy way to get things

[28:18] out there. I watch their videos all the

[28:21] time. Um anyway, it's just something

[28:24] that I mean that's how people

[28:27] find out a lot of information. They like

[28:29] quick snippets. Um, anyone that is on

[28:34] Facebook around here and part of a group

[28:36] that's not affiliated with the city, but

[28:39] it has the name in it knows that there's

[28:41] a lot of negiveness in that group a lot.

[28:45] And I put a small little post out the

[28:48] other day just explaining

[28:50] the annexation process so that people

[28:53] understood it. I don't think I've ever

[28:55] seen this in the history of this group.

[28:57] There wasn't one mean comment. There

[28:59] wasn't one dislike on the post. There

[29:01] was 118 loves or likes. Every comment

[29:05] was positive. So, I think people are

[29:08] looking for that. So, just I mean I'm

[29:11] happy to help. I really am. But

[29:13] obviously I'm not the I can't just throw

[29:16] whatever out. But I'm I don't even like

[29:19] to be in front of a camera, but I'm

[29:20] happy to do what I need to do to like

[29:22] really get out there. And I'm looking

[29:25] right at you, Robert, but it's everyone.

[29:28] Like I just I hope that we can come

[29:30] together and think of something. So

[29:31] >> did I'm trying to remember did we did we

[29:33] budget for a a public relations like a

[29:36] part-time position or you still wearing

[29:37] those hats, Robert?

[29:38] >> We we did budget for that position but

[29:40] like all of them uh that is a mid-year

[29:44] position. So if if we have direction to

[29:47] do something different then we can we

[29:49] can have that discussion. But that was very important that that be a

[29:54] mid-year position. But in the meantime,

[29:57] uh I don't know if you've been noticing,

[29:59] but we have been posting more uh we we

[30:02] have the same thoughts that um being

[30:05] able to connect with our community is

[30:07] really really important and meet them

[30:09] where they are. Uh one of the ways that we've been working on that, Melanie

[30:13] and I have been meeting Mondays and

[30:15] Thursdays to make sure that something

[30:16] goes out so we can be con more

[30:18] consistent in that. um to help us with

[30:22] that. We would just encourage you to

[30:24] make sure that you're posting on your

[30:25] own pages as well. Um which you have

[30:28] been doing and and we we would seriously

[30:31] encourage that. Uh and then you can

[30:34] always tag Pacin City as well.

[30:36] >> Thanks for doing that.

[30:38] >> I just know videos too are just

[30:40] >> I know that it takes more effort

[30:42] >> but people these days their attention

[30:44] span just they want that 30 second thing

[30:47] versus reading. You heard it. You heard

[30:50] it here first. Just say yes when we ask

[30:51] you.

[30:52] >> Okay.

[30:54] >> We're trying to build up the attention

[30:56] spans by making them read. Okay.

[30:58] [laughter]

[30:59] >> Thank you. [clears throat]

[31:01] >> I'll say Okay. I'll say one last thing

[31:04] about the fires. We have some and I I

[31:06] just want to these these companies are

[31:08] not looking for any notoriety, but we do

[31:11] have some companies that have stepped up

[31:14] and have helped the Eureka community

[31:17] substantially. and the and the

[31:19] firefighters. I just want to make sure

[31:20] that everybody knows that we have a good

[31:22] business community and they're very

[31:23] aware of what's going on around. So,

[31:26] thanks to those businesses.

[31:29] Okay,

[31:31] moving on to E action items. Number one,

[31:35] a resolution approving to approving a

[31:37] reimbursement agreement for the

[31:39] construction of upsized public water and

[31:41] pressurize irrigation improvements

[31:43] between PAC city and Patterson Homes

[31:45] LLC. Brandon and Travis, you going to

[31:48] educate us?

[31:52] >> Mayor, council, so this was uh up there

[31:54] at the south end where Patterson just

[31:56] did that latest phase kind of where 1900

[31:59] South will meet Ma where Main Street

[32:01] meet. So we have in our master plans a

[32:05] potential site to put a new water tank

[32:08] and a PI pond up above the canal right

[32:10] there. So I had them upsize the line. So

[32:12] this is to reimburse them for that

[32:14] upsizing that we're required to by state

[32:16] law. So there that project's already in

[32:19] our impact fees that just went into

[32:21] effect today. So this is just to

[32:23] formalize the agreement so we can

[32:25] reimburse them. So

[32:26] >> Travis, thanks for being forward

[32:27] thinking on this and putting

[32:29] >> bigger things than than what we

[32:31] originally planned. Thank you.

[32:32] >> That's that's great.

[32:33] >> Good use of the impact fees.

[32:36] >> So I got a quick question for you. So it

[32:38] comes from impact fees. Are there fees

[32:41] that are already collected or are there

[32:42] going to be future ones? Because it says

[32:44] we only pay them back through impact

[32:45] fees. So, when do they get paid back? I

[32:48] guess

[32:48] >> they'll get paid back in October. So,

[32:51] uh Dave and I have met with our

[32:53] consultant that we had do our impact

[32:54] fees. And how we want to proceed going

[32:57] forward is

[32:59] in the past, we've we've saved impact

[33:01] fees and we just spend what we need to.

[33:02] But Spanish Fork, they spend every year

[33:06] everything they collect. So, you never

[33:07] have to worry about the six-year window.

[33:10] and you prioritize how you spend those

[33:12] impact fees based on the priority of the

[33:14] project. So based on how much the

[33:16] project costs,

[33:18] you know, if it's a city project,

[33:19] different things, but you you put it in

[33:21] this spreadsheet and it ranks it for you

[33:23] based on how much money you brought in.

[33:25] So that's kind of how we want to go

[33:26] forward. But yeah, for the these

[33:28] projects, obviously it's money we

[33:30] already have. But in the future, yeah,

[33:32] like if we only say brought in $100,000,

[33:35] but you had $400,000 worth of impact fee

[33:37] cost, then you'd only still spend the

[33:40] $100,000 and it may take however many

[33:42] years to reimburse those people that are

[33:44] eligible. But that's kind of how we plan

[33:46] on going forward. So,

[33:47] >> thank you.

[33:49] >> Okay, any questions, discussions, any

[33:52] further? Okay. If if uh

[33:57] there aren't any, I'm ready for a

[34:00] motion.

[34:01] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the

[34:02] reimbursement agreement for the

[34:04] construction of upsized public water and

[34:05] pressurized irrigation improvements

[34:07] between Pacin City and Patterson Homes

[34:09] LLC.

[34:10] >> I'll second.

[34:11] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded.

[34:13] Roll call vote starting right. Well,

[34:15] starting with Ann Moss.

[34:17] >> Yes.

[34:18] >> Uh Council Roelly,

[34:19] >> yes. Councel Helet.

[34:21] >> Yes.

[34:22] >> And Council Smith,

[34:23] >> yes.

[34:24] >> Okay. Wonderful. That motion carries

[34:27] unanimously. Number two, resolution

[34:29] approving the fifth amendment to lease

[34:34] to the lease agreement between PA City

[34:36] Municipal Corporation and JKLM

[34:39] Investment LC. Dave,

[34:42] >> mayor, council, we [clears throat] we've

[34:44] had a an agreement on the gravel pit for

[34:47] many years, and that's JKLM. It's it's

[34:50] Kenny Sain, but that was their LLC for

[34:53] all these years. They have you, you've

[34:55] probably all heard, they have um they

[34:58] have sold and merged in with granite,

[35:02] but Kenny Sank Construction

[35:05] is is the one that's still going to be

[35:08] handling the the gravel pit. uh under

[35:10] our contract it said it said that that

[35:14] they could um they could assign that

[35:17] without coming back to council but it

[35:19] didn't have it it said Kenny

[35:22] Construction but there was Kenny

[35:24] Construction Incorporated Kenny

[35:25] Construction LLC

[35:28] and in talking with Brandon we thought

[35:29] it'd be best just to have the council

[35:31] approved that it's it's it's it's

[35:33] something that we need to approve it's

[35:35] uh it's something that they have a right

[35:37] to do and and uh we're still working

[35:41] with them same under the same contract

[35:42] and this Kenny Sain construction LLC

[35:45] would would be responsible for all the

[35:48] contents of that agreement as well. They

[35:50] would assume all those uh

[35:52] responsibilities of that agreement. So

[35:54] that's what we brought forward to you to have this uh

[36:00] fifth amendment to the lease agreement

[36:02] >> and it's been a it's been a real good uh situation for us and for them both.

[36:06] So it's beneficial.

[36:08] >> [snorts]

[36:08] >> So Dave, the the assumption of this

[36:11] agreement to this new company did not

[36:13] change any of the terms of the

[36:15] agreement.

[36:15] >> No.

[36:16] >> Okay.

[36:16] >> Terms are the same and they they are

[36:18] responsible and Brandon was really good

[36:20] in in acknowledging that success or

[36:23] liability. They take on all the

[36:24] liability that the agreement has.

[36:26] >> Okay. Very good.

[36:28] >> Those circumstances I I think would be a

[36:30] great thing to go ahead and ratify.

[36:33] >> So Dave, I got a quick question for you.

[36:35] just um sometime in the in the future if

[36:38] you could have somebody just look and

[36:39] see how much we're um we're still in the

[36:42] contract for playing for the way station

[36:44] and the ball fields and see how much he

[36:46] has left um until he starts actually

[36:49] paying us.

[36:50] >> Yeah, we get we get a we get a uh update

[36:53] every month. So, we can I can send that

[36:54] out to you.

[36:55] >> Okay, that'd be great.

[36:56] >> Thank you.

[36:56] >> I think we got one just recently and

[36:58] I'll I can forward that to everybody.

[37:00] >> Okay, thank you.

[37:02] So they just they were the JKL and they

[37:06] just merged kind of together because

[37:08] someone else bought the his other stuff

[37:11] is can that just even I read this and I

[37:14] was like okay but then now that kind of

[37:15] confused me a little

[37:16] >> but there's a sales agreement um

[37:18] >> okay

[37:19] >> but the to Granite Construction who's

[37:22] pretty large construction company

[37:24] >> so Granite owns Kenny Singh yes now

[37:26] >> yes

[37:27] >> and so is the agreement I guess

[37:29] technically since they own Kenny Sing

[37:31] it's with Granite

[37:33] Kenny Singh and Pac is that

[37:35] >> the [clears throat] agreement for this

[37:37] uh Granite's a much larger company but

[37:40] for this this gravel pit agreement uh

[37:44] they have Kenny Sang Construction LC

[37:47] that's still going to run this

[37:48] >> it's going to be a subsidiary of of

[37:50] granite

[37:50] >> of granite

[37:52] >> okay

[37:52] >> so the assignment goes to Kenny Sang

[37:55] Construction LC

[37:57] >> so where it says it's without further

[37:58] approvals do they have to come They

[38:00] don't have to come to us to change it to

[38:02] anyone going forward or only just to the

[38:05] Kenny Sing construction

[38:07] >> for this. They wouldn't if they if they

[38:08] have another they would come back and

[38:10] when the when the contract comes up for

[38:12] renewal that would of course have to

[38:14] come back to the council if we renew

[38:15] that with them.

[38:16] >> Okay.

[38:19] Any other discussion, questions?

[38:24] Okay. I'm ready for a motion. If that's

[38:26] the case,

[38:29] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the

[38:31] fifth amendment to the lease agreement

[38:32] between PAC city municipality

[38:34] corporation and JKLM and Investment LLC.

[38:39] >> I'll second. Okay, we have a motion been

[38:42] seconded.

[38:43] Roll call v starting with council Smith.

[38:47] >> Yes.

[38:48] >> Council,

[38:48] >> yes.

[38:49] >> Council Rolley,

[38:50] >> yes.

[38:50] >> Council Moss,

[38:51] >> yes.

[38:52] >> Didn't forget you. Good. Thank you.

[38:54] Okay, moving on to number three.

[38:57] Resolution approving an agreement

[38:58] authorizing the operation of a nurse in

[39:01] care facility within PAC city pursuant

[39:04] to the Utah State code 10-8-90.

[39:08] Okay, Brandon,

[39:10] >> buckle up. This one's hard to follow.

[39:13] When I first was approached by it, it

[39:15] took me many, many times to read through

[39:17] the code and understand what's going on.

[39:21] So,

[39:23] uh, background, Rocky Mountain Care has

[39:25] operated the Maple Skilled Nursing

[39:28] Facility in PAC for many years.

[39:30] Historically, the stateisssued

[39:32] healthcare facility license for Maple

[39:35] was held by an entity called Canyons

[39:37] Canyon Healthcare, a special service

[39:40] district. But effective today, Canyon

[39:42] will no longer serve as the licensed

[39:44] operator. So, the new licensed operator

[39:47] will be Beaver Valley Hospital, a

[39:49] municipal hospital owned by Beaver City.

[39:52] So, Rocky Mountain Care will continue to

[39:54] manage and operate the facility on a

[39:56] day-to-day basis here in PAC. However,

[39:59] this is all about uh access to uh upper

[40:03] pay upper tier limit Medicare Medicaid

[40:08] dollars. So, um, in order for the,

[40:14] uh, Rocky Mountain Care to qualify for

[40:17] that, they have to have a contract with

[40:18] the city. So, uh, each city can have the

[40:22] one license to for a skilled nursing

[40:25] facility to have access to those

[40:26] dollars. Where PAC city doesn't have,

[40:29] uh, a city-owned municipal hospital,

[40:32] they're asking for that that license to

[40:34] have access to th to those dollars. So,

[40:37] under state code 10-8-90,

[40:42] um, a municipal hospital that owns and

[40:44] operates a nursing care facility and

[40:46] uses an intergovern intergovernmental

[40:49] transfer under the Medicaid UPL, the

[40:52] upper payment limit program, may not

[40:54] operate a nursing care facility in

[40:55] another city without entering an

[40:58] agreement with that city. So, the

[41:00] requirement applies here in PAC. Because

[41:02] Beaver Valley Hospital is a municipal

[41:04] hospital, it will hold the state license

[41:06] for Maple. It participates in the UPL

[41:10] IGT Medicaid financing program and the

[41:12] facilities located within Pacin City. Um

[41:18] by

[41:19] in this agreement

[41:21] um we made it so that the city has no

[41:25] liability, isn't responsible for

[41:27] anything, and we can terminate at any

[41:29] time. So anytime in the future if PAC

[41:31] does um get does create a municipal

[41:35] hospital and wants to participate in

[41:37] skilled nursing, we can terminate that

[41:39] agreement at any time and uh use that

[41:43] our own license.

[41:44] >> So we can only have one of these

[41:45] licenses out total for the whole city.

[41:48] >> For the whole city. Yeah.

[41:48] >> And um sorry our contract does it have

[41:51] an escape clause or

[41:52] >> it does terminate for any reason at any

[41:54] time.

[41:55] >> Okay. on both ends

[41:58] >> for both both parties or just our

[42:00] parties.

[42:00] >> PAC can at any time they can with yeah

[42:03] with with some notice

[42:05] >> and so um the

[42:09] there's no fiscal impact to PAC because

[42:11] we don't have to provide any funding

[42:13] staffing or resources.

[42:15] Uh but it allows uh Maple to

[42:19] >> to access all those

[42:20] >> access those higher tier dollars for

[42:22] staffing for medical um treatment for um

[42:27] new new technology.

[42:30] Um I called uh Kevin Johnson the

[42:33] hospital Mountain View and just to talk

[42:37] to him about it. He's the one that kind

[42:38] of oriented me with everything. and uh

[42:40] they they not they're not interested in

[42:42] it because for them skilled nursing is a

[42:45] losing proposition. Um they don't make

[42:48] anything off of it. And so for someone

[42:49] to actually make some money on it and

[42:51] have the facility here in PAC, he was

[42:53] all for it.

[42:54] >> Okay, that was going to be my one

[42:55] concern and next question. So we're not

[42:57] impeding or hurting Mountain View in any

[42:59] way by this because obviously we we put

[43:01] so much

[43:02] >> they don't want to be in that business.

[43:03] And so the the positive for PAC is that

[43:06] we have a facility in PAC. Yes,

[43:09] >> that can uh operate at hopefully at a

[43:13] profit with being able to access this

[43:15] money

[43:16] >> and this doesn't hurt our good

[43:17] partnership with Mountain View. Yeah, we

[43:19] want we want that. We love having them

[43:21] here. So, thank you for checking on that

[43:22] with them.

[43:23] >> Yeah, the benefit is that it provides a

[43:25] service that people need.

[43:27] >> Yep. And so, um under the state code,

[43:30] they have to have an agreement with

[43:31] PACE,

[43:33] uh having our permission basically to

[43:35] use that license. And so, that's the the

[43:37] reason for this agreement. And so the

[43:39] motion would be to allow the mayor to

[43:41] sign on behalf of the city to enter that

[43:43] agreement.

[43:45] >> Okay.

[43:46] >> Any other questions?

[43:48] >> Jason used to be in the hospital

[43:49] business. [laughter]

[43:51] >> We used to be.

[43:52] >> Yeah.

[43:56] » Okay. Any any further questions or

[43:59] comments?

[44:00] Okay. Lacking some. I'm ready for a

[44:02] motion.

[44:04] I motion that we approve the agreement

[44:05] authorizing the operation of a nursing

[44:07] care facility within Pacin City pursuant

[44:10] to Utah State Code Den 10-8-90.

[44:18] » Second.

[44:19] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Um

[44:23] we'll call vote starting with Council

[44:25] Smith.

[44:25] >> Yes.

[44:26] >> Council,

[44:27] >> yes.

[44:27] >> Council Roelly,

[44:28] >> yes.

[44:28] >> Council Moss,

[44:29] >> yes.

[44:30] >> Thank you. Motion carries. Uh going on

[44:33] to uh number four, ordinance uh amending

[44:38] the title six of PAS and city me

[44:40] municipal code by enacting section

[44:42] 6.04.9

[44:45] to 1 190 entitled uh trespass enformment

[44:49] and exclusion authority. You're still up

[44:53] Brandon and the chief.

[44:57] » Chief's making Brandon do it. [laughter]

[45:02] So,

[45:04] >> we [laughter]

[45:06] um this um amendment has come about

[45:10] because we've had um several incidents

[45:13] uh recently where uh different officers

[45:16] have come up and talked to me about if

[45:18] we can get um a uniform codification of

[45:22] the trespass process uh here in PAC PAC

[45:26] city. As property owners, we have the

[45:28] right to exclude people from uh our

[45:31] property for um behavior, for conduct,

[45:34] for different issues. We can trespass

[45:36] them for a period of time because it's a

[45:39] public place. We can't banish them

[45:41] forever, but um recently there was uh

[45:44] vandalism at the pool where someone

[45:46] broke a window and that person, that

[45:48] group of individuals was trespassed.

[45:50] There's been several fights at the skate

[45:52] park where uh police feel like if they

[45:55] can trespass those individuals for a

[45:58] period of time that it will uh keep the violence down at at the skate park.

[46:03] And so with this amendment, what we're

[46:05] doing is codifying a procedure where

[46:08] police are able to um trespass people

[46:11] from public

[46:14] um places here in PAC, be it the pool,

[46:17] the skate park, the ball fields uh for

[46:20] um threatening, violent, illegal conduct

[46:24] for a period of up to one year. Um, as

[46:27] with anything, there has to that with government enforcement, there has

[46:32] to be an appeals process. So, the

[46:33] appeals person would be Chief Bishop

[46:35] that they could come in and talk to him

[46:37] about any mitigating circumstances if he

[46:40] wants to uh modify or resend that

[46:43] trespass notice. Um but it the amendment

[46:47] is to allow uh police that um

[46:50] enforcement technique to have that in

[46:52] their tool belt to help keep other

[46:54] people safe at those facilities. Uh we

[46:57] had the broken window at the pool. We've

[46:59] had incidents at the the skate park and

[47:02] we had a complaint come in um about

[47:04] harassment uh racial harassment at the swimming pool. And so to be able

[47:09] to trespass uh those individuals that

[47:12] are participating in that for a period

[47:14] of time I think would help uh keep the

[47:17] other patrons safe, keep a welcoming

[47:19] environment and um be some

[47:23] accountability.

[47:24] >> It's a great tool that the police need

[47:26] to have. I know it's been frustrating

[47:29] for me as a police officer some of the times and we needed to do

[47:33] that and didn't really have the ability.

[47:35] I know that this the Walmart and

[47:36] different stores like that they can

[47:38] trespass and we enforce that but we've

[47:40] never had that capability in our public

[47:43] facility. So I think that's a great tool

[47:44] about time.

[47:45] >> So is this an amendment to something or

[47:47] is this brand new? Looks like it's brand

[47:49] new.

[47:49] >> This this would be I mean we've always

[47:51] had the ability as a property owner to

[47:53] trespass people. This is just codifying

[47:56] um a procedure and a place to point out

[48:00] in the code

[48:00] >> a uniform approach to everything

[48:02] >> because the the individuals that were

[48:04] trespassed from the pool for breaking

[48:06] the window um their uh parents called in

[48:10] was like well where does it say that

[48:12] they're trespassing like well we under

[48:14] the state code under trespassing as a

[48:16] property we can trespass them but to

[48:18] have something uh to point to I think

[48:20] would be very very helpful to say well

[48:22] it's on our city code here's the process

[48:24] to follow if you want to appeal it and

[48:27] see if the the chief wants to agree with

[48:30] any mitigating circumstances that you

[48:31] present.

[48:31] >> Yeah, we've we've always had that

[48:34] ability to trespass, but how long you

[48:36] know could help the next day they could

[48:37] come or the next hour? The reason we

[48:40] came up with up to a year is because

[48:42] that's um if somebody I mean that's the

[48:45] maximum penalty for a trespass uh

[48:47] normally and we saying up to so if we

[48:51] wanted to do less do 90 days 6 months

[48:55] that we have that ability but we're not

[48:57] overstepping the bounds into banishment

[48:59] which would be unconstitutional.

[49:02] I just want to say thanks to Chief

[49:04] Bishop because last minute I messaged

[49:06] him because I read it and I was like I

[49:09] think this has like this could be

[49:10] unconstitutional and so I wanted to meet

[49:13] with him. He did. He answered everything

[49:16] and after meeting with him. It put any

[49:19] worries to bay and so I just wanted to

[49:23] just really quick just tell him thank

[49:25] you and that I really appreciate that he

[49:28] took the time to do that and explain it

[49:30] also.

[49:32] Okay. Any other comments? Okay. I'm

[49:35] ready for a motion.

[49:39] » I'll make a motion that we approve the

[49:41] ordinance amending the title six of the

[49:43] PAC city municipal code by enacting

[49:45] section 6.04.190

[49:48] entit entitled trespass enforcement and

[49:52] exclusion authority.

[49:54] >> I'll second.

[49:56] >> Okay. You got it, man. [laughter] Okay.

[50:00] we have a motion and second and

[50:01] I'll come to you and for start of the

[50:03] roll call vote.

[50:04] >> Yes.

[50:06] >> Councley,

[50:06] >> yes.

[50:08] >> Smith.

[50:08] >> Yes.

[50:09] >> Thank you. Motion carries. Moving on to

[50:11] number five. Ordinance adopting the PAC

[50:14] city downtown gateway area plan as part

[50:17] of the city's general plan. Anders

[50:45] Okay. Good evening, council members. I'm

[50:48] excited to be here and present this plan

[50:50] to you. Um, so a little bit of

[50:52] background on this. So, the city's been

[50:55] working on this plan. Um things started

[50:57] off with this um in August of 2023 and we're excited to be at this point

[51:03] where we have the the complete plan

[51:05] ready ready to present to you all. Um so

[51:09] some some background um

[51:13] the about a year ago, January of um

[51:16] 2025, there was a joint um planning

[51:19] commission and city council meeting um

[51:21] where the the plan was was presented and

[51:24] we received some comments um on what was

[51:27] presented at that time. Um, and then

[51:29] since then, um, staff have, um, gone

[51:32] through the recording of that meeting

[51:34] and and made sure to, um, take take all

[51:37] those comments and and find ways to

[51:39] implement them into, um, into the plan.

[51:43] And then we've met with each council

[51:44] member individually to better understand

[51:46] what those comments were and make sure

[51:47] we were we were understanding

[51:50] um, everything. and then and then to

[51:52] meet with the the new council members

[51:54] that we have that weren't there at that

[51:55] meeting and make sure to understand

[51:57] their needs and their goals for for this

[51:58] plan. And so we feel confident that

[52:01] we've addressed those needs with with

[52:03] the updates that we've made and um I'm

[52:05] excited to share those with you. Um so with that background um also uh the plan and staff report was was

[52:14] provided in the city council packet. So

[52:16] I've hope you've had a chance to look

[52:17] through that. And the goal with that was

[52:19] really to help kind of direct you to the

[52:21] kind of key elements of the plan and

[52:23] then also what those changes were that

[52:25] were made. So hopefully that was clear.

[52:27] And then for the public as well that staff report and and presentation

[52:31] is available um online with the the

[52:34] council agenda packet and then also with

[52:36] the planning um the the development

[52:39] services department here. Um we're happy

[52:41] to share that with anyone. So, um, so

[52:44] with that and kind of in the interest of

[52:46] time, the goal of this presentation is

[52:48] not so much to focus on the everything

[52:51] in the plan, but kind of have the

[52:53] understanding that you're already

[52:54] familiar with what's there and just

[52:56] really to focus on the changes that were

[52:58] made just in this last year um to the

[53:01] plan. Um, but so I'm going to go through

[53:03] the slides kind of fairly quickly, but

[53:04] if there's anything you want to pause on

[53:06] or dive into deeper, um, I have the

[53:09] staff report up available with the

[53:11] complete plan, so I'm happy to go into

[53:13] anything in more depth. But, um,

[53:16] >> Andrew, one question. So, um, we did not

[53:18] have a specific area plan for this area

[53:21] before. This is brand new for the the

[53:23] gateway area, correct?

[53:24] >> That's correct. Yeah.

[53:25] >> Yeah. And and I think that kind of goes

[53:27] well into um this this first section

[53:30] here where I where I want to kind of

[53:32] just go over briefly the the purpose of

[53:34] an area plan. So we have the PAC city

[53:37] general plan which um does obviously

[53:40] include this area um but it's a citywide

[53:43] plan. It's uh so that was adopted in

[53:45] 2020. We're looking at making some um

[53:48] updates amendments to that this year. Um

[53:52] but the general plan it it focuses on a

[53:55] variety of elements. So those include

[53:57] land use, infrastructure,

[53:58] transportation, parks, recreation,

[54:01] economic development, housing, and then

[54:03] it's it's citywide. And so it it's um

[54:06] it's the citywide vision, goals,

[54:09] policies. Um but then the difference

[54:12] between that and an area plan is an area

[54:14] plan will focus on a specific area. And

[54:16] so as of right now, we don't have

[54:18] something that's tailored to to that

[54:20] area of the city. Um, and so this plan

[54:23] would will provide that.

[54:24] >> And Andrew, this this plan can be can be

[54:26] adjusted as as as needs arise. Right.

[54:30] >> That's correct. Yeah. So So we're

[54:32] proposing that it be adopted as an

[54:34] amendment to the general plan. Um, but

[54:37] there are always opportunities to

[54:38] continue to refine that as needs come

[54:41] up, as new data comes up, as things

[54:44] change. The goal with this plan is it's

[54:46] looking into the future. We hope to be

[54:48] continuing to implement things in this

[54:50] plan, you know, 30 years from now,

[54:53] right? That we're still able to refer to these goals that were identified and see how u we we can do things to

[55:00] continue to contribute to those goals.

[55:02] And so as things change, we'll we'll

[55:04] there will definitely be opportunities

[55:06] to to make amendments to that. And then

[55:09] an important thing to recognize with an

[55:11] area plan and with a general plan is

[55:13] it's identifying goals and direction but

[55:16] it's not giving any kind of entitlement

[55:18] that comes with um the pace and city

[55:21] code and the zoning map. So those kind

[55:24] of work together where the zoning map is

[55:26] identifying um zones for each each

[55:29] property and then um those zones there's

[55:33] corresponding codes found in the in the

[55:35] city code that um identify the permitted

[55:39] uses for th those zones for the

[55:41] properties with that zoning designation

[55:43] and development requirements which go

[55:46] over um density, building height, uh

[55:49] building um site planning standards, uh

[55:52] landscaping infrastructure, parking. Um

[55:55] so those things we're not we're not

[55:56] proposing any changes to those with the

[55:58] adoption of this plan. Um this would

[56:00] just help provide guidance for future.

[56:03] Um it kind of there's kind of two

[56:06] things. One, there's city initiated

[56:08] projects and we'll talk specifically

[56:11] about two city initiated projects that

[56:13] we're looking forward to um that we use

[56:16] this as as guidance for. And then

[56:17] there's when um development proposals

[56:21] come where where maybe there's a request

[56:22] to change the zone or change a code,

[56:25] then we can look to an area plan and

[56:28] general plan as as guidance to see if if

[56:30] that um corresponds kind of the vision

[56:32] with the vision for the area. Um and so

[56:36] that's that's kind of the two of the

[56:37] primary uses of of implementing this

[56:40] plan going forward.

[56:41] >> Still be an opportunity for plenty of

[56:43] council involvement as as you go down

[56:45] that road.

[56:46] >> Yeah, exactly. So the so any kind of

[56:48] change to a zoning map or the zoning

[56:50] code that's those are legislative

[56:51] decisions that require um planning

[56:54] commission review public hearing and

[56:56] then ultimately a city council decision.

[56:59] Um, but it's it's really helpful to have

[57:02] these plans as as staff as communicating

[57:05] with property owners, with the public,

[57:07] um, to have some kind of guidance and and, uh, a a goal so everyone's on

[57:13] the same page of of where we're heading

[57:15] for for this area and to be able to um

[57:18] provide some some helpful direction. Um,

[57:22] okay. So, why do we need an area plan

[57:26] for this this specific area? So this

[57:29] following page here explains the area

[57:31] that's been identified on that on that

[57:34] map to the right um as the study area

[57:37] for this plan. So that includes the

[57:39] historic downtown area going up the

[57:41] north main street corridor up to um Main

[57:45] Street, the Main Street interchange and

[57:47] then kind of the area around there. So

[57:49] there's a lot of changes that we're

[57:51] anticipating in the near future to this

[57:53] area. So, some of those are the the new

[57:56] PAC Parkway interchange and then that

[57:58] PAC Parkway arterial road with a lot of

[58:01] anticipated development around there.

[58:03] Um, changes to the the main street

[58:06] interchange and then the frontr runner

[58:08] station and surrounding um planned to

[58:12] area and then the um UVU campus that a

[58:16] satellite campus that we hope to have

[58:18] all right in that that area. And so with

[58:20] all that there there's a lot of

[58:22] opportunities and and um you know

[58:26] benefits that that will bring to the

[58:27] city. Um, but there's also some

[58:30] challenges that those could bring

[58:31] specifically to the downtown historic

[58:35] downtown area with making sure that

[58:37] that's still a viable core heart of our

[58:40] city that that we're that businesses are

[58:42] still able to be viable and and that

[58:45] we're not um drawing [clears throat] too

[58:47] much traffic and customers away from the

[58:49] area that's in competing with that area.

[58:51] So, so with that those kind of

[58:55] conditions, the city really wanted to be

[58:58] proactive in planning for that area and

[59:00] not just reacting to those changes after

[59:02] they come, but making sure we're we're

[59:04] doing what we can now to address those

[59:07] potential concerns and and help improve

[59:09] this area and set it up for for success.

[59:12] Um, so so those are kind of the goals

[59:14] for this for this plan that that are

[59:16] kind of discussed here.

[59:19] Um, so since that initial start in in

[59:23] 2023, there's a lot of work that's gone

[59:25] into to getting where we're at today.

[59:28] Um, overall, I just would emphasize, you

[59:30] know, a lot of public outreach. We

[59:33] really feel that this is a this plan

[59:35] reflects the goals of the community.

[59:36] It's it's the community's plan. Um there

[59:39] was uh public o open house website

[59:44] meetings with uh key property owners. Um

[59:47] a technical advisory board was formed.

[59:49] Um and and really the goal was to

[59:52] understand the goals of the community

[59:54] and make sure that that this is

[59:56] addressing the needs of of those people

[59:58] that will be impacted most by um by this

[1:00:01] plan that they have a that kind of rare

[1:00:03] opportunity to really have a a say in in

[1:00:05] what's what's going to happen around

[1:00:07] them. Um

[1:00:09] and

[1:00:11] so so with that um the plan that we have

[1:00:14] today, I've identified um a few sections

[1:00:19] here that are kind of the key key

[1:00:21] elements of that plan that we'll we'll

[1:00:23] be going to when it comes to

[1:00:25] implementing it in in coming days and

[1:00:27] years. And um as we mentioned before,

[1:00:31] we've we've made some changes to that

[1:00:33] just in the last year based on on the

[1:00:35] comments from the city council. And so

[1:00:37] three of those sections um are are where

[1:00:41] we see those changes. And so um I'll go

[1:00:44] through kind of each one of these

[1:00:45] sections, but focus on on those sections

[1:00:47] where there's those changes and and and

[1:00:50] kind of address what changes were made

[1:00:52] and how how they address those comments.

[1:00:56] Um so the first section here was um

[1:00:59] identifying kind of the land use,

[1:01:02] assessing the land use. One thing that

[1:01:03] was identified early on was that even

[1:01:06] though this is a fairly small area,

[1:01:08] there's really three distinct kind of

[1:01:10] neighborhoods within this planning area

[1:01:13] and an important distinct goals and

[1:01:16] needs for for these area these areas

[1:01:19] that were developed. So the first is the

[1:01:22] downtown district. The goal really of

[1:01:24] there is to um continue to help um

[1:01:27] revitalize that area. Um it support

[1:01:31] businesses um help encourage um high

[1:01:36] quality design that helps support the feel of that area and the um small

[1:01:41] town feel it has and even expand the

[1:01:43] feel of that area in surrounding

[1:01:46] properties.

[1:01:47] Um and then there's the main street

[1:01:51] district. So the um that north main

[1:01:54] street corridor where there's a there's

[1:01:56] um some pioneer architecture and a lot

[1:02:00] of residential homes that really

[1:02:02] contribute to giving pace in that small

[1:02:04] town feel for the for the entire city.

[1:02:07] And so it's important to um help

[1:02:10] [clears throat]

[1:02:11] help preserve that feel um um through

[1:02:16] some adaptive reuse opportunities and um

[1:02:20] and and maintaining primarily

[1:02:22] residential uses. Um and then there's

[1:02:26] the gateway area which there's a lot of

[1:02:28] opportunities there in that area for

[1:02:30] redevelopment. Um and and the goal there

[1:02:33] is to create something that's unique,

[1:02:35] that's not just another um freeway,

[1:02:38] interchange commercial area, but

[1:02:40] something that has a unique feel with a

[1:02:42] goal of drawing people off of the

[1:02:45] freeway onto Main Street and eventually

[1:02:46] into that downtown area and providing

[1:02:49] kind of the needs providing for the

[1:02:51] needs of the surrounding area and create

[1:02:53] something that with a personality

[1:02:55] um that that we're excited about. And so

[1:03:00] um this first section of the plan was

[1:03:03] identifying kind of the existing

[1:03:04] conditions performing a analysis to

[1:03:07] identify what um what what's needed

[1:03:11] based on those existing conditions and

[1:03:13] then using that and that public input um

[1:03:16] went into this conceptual land use plan.

[1:03:20] Um so some changes that were made based

[1:03:22] on on city council feedback with this

[1:03:25] specifically one was um identifying

[1:03:29] definitions for these different land use

[1:03:31] designations. Um which we feel like was

[1:03:34] really important to help specify what

[1:03:37] we're wanting in this area and then what

[1:03:39] we don't want in in these certain areas.

[1:03:41] Um so with the mixeduse central district

[1:03:46] um that's what's found around the

[1:03:48] historic downtown area. Um that area was

[1:03:52] actually that use is expanded to beyond

[1:03:54] just that fourb block area. Um and it

[1:03:57] focuses on um primarily

[1:04:01] uh retail and and retail that supports

[1:04:03] the home to adventure um vision for the

[1:04:06] area. Um the area should be walkable. um

[1:04:11] and have high quality architecture and

[1:04:14] site planning and then um yeah just support those existing

[1:04:22] businesses that are there. Um and then

[1:04:25] with the mixed use area um that's allows

[1:04:29] a variety of uses but is primarily

[1:04:31] focused on retail uses that will um kind

[1:04:35] of support the needs of the surrounding

[1:04:36] area and and create something that's

[1:04:38] unique um that that we don't really have

[1:04:41] in in other parts of the city um

[1:04:45] and and and uses that will will draw

[1:04:47] people into the to main street. Um and

[1:04:50] so those definitions I think go a long

[1:04:53] ways in in future conversations with

[1:04:55] property owners and helping understand

[1:04:57] the vision for these areas. Um another

[1:05:00] thing was um replacing a highdensity res

[1:05:04] or uh residential on the Nebo school

[1:05:07] district property um with two scenarios.

[1:05:11] one that would um envision kind of

[1:05:14] repurposing the existing building on

[1:05:16] that property for an industrial use that

[1:05:18] could um that could benefit from the

[1:05:23] existing facilities there. And then a a

[1:05:27] second concept would be a residential

[1:05:29] use that would help support the proposed

[1:05:32] commercial in that area.

[1:05:36] Um, so then this other page was a

[1:05:40] conceptual

[1:05:40] >> Sorry, Anders, could you go back to the

[1:05:42] previous slide? What is the Sorry,

[1:05:45] what's the the hashed the hashed marks

[1:05:48] again there?

[1:05:49] >> Yeah. So that's the um Nebo school

[1:05:52] district property.

[1:05:53] >> Oh, that's the busy yard. Okay. Yep.

[1:05:55] >> And so that was formerly shown as a

[1:05:57] highdensity residential, right? So now

[1:05:59] we're replacing that kind of referring

[1:06:00] to these concept A and B.

[1:06:03] >> Okay. Yes. Thank you.

[1:06:13] >> Yeah. And so then this conceptual site

[1:06:16] plan is focusing on that gateway area.

[1:06:20] And so important thing with this again

[1:06:22] with the entire plan, it's it's

[1:06:23] conceptual. It's not granting any

[1:06:26] entitlements or saying that this

[1:06:27] specific use has to be in this area.

[1:06:29] It's just providing more of a vision for

[1:06:31] what what we could see in in this area.

[1:06:34] Um any any kind of entitlement would come with a a requested zone

[1:06:40] change that would have to go to the the

[1:06:42] city council. Um and so uh one some

[1:06:47] things that were that were changed to

[1:06:49] this page specifically was again adding

[1:06:52] some more um definitions and refining

[1:06:54] definitions to to really clarify what we

[1:06:57] mean by these different um uses. Um

[1:07:01] there was a significant reduction in the

[1:07:03] amount of um residential um really kind

[1:07:06] of getting rid of any high high density

[1:07:08] residential

[1:07:09] um and and

[1:07:12] uh focusing more on on mixed use. Um

[1:07:16] and then um with the flex use light

[1:07:19] industrial um focusing there on uh uses

[1:07:23] that would be low impact maybe more

[1:07:27] office oriented and and high quality

[1:07:29] architecture.

[1:07:30] Um and then with the kind of central

[1:07:34] area um focusing more on mixed use with

[1:07:38] that area um with ensuring that there's

[1:07:42] retail with that. And the goal really of

[1:07:44] that area is to create something that's

[1:07:46] unique that that provides sort of this

[1:07:49] um pedestrianoriented center to the area

[1:07:52] that has that draw and provides the

[1:07:55] needs for the surrounding area. has that

[1:07:58] plaza area that um we could see as a

[1:08:05] um benefit to the the surrounding area.

[1:08:07] And so preserving kind of that small

[1:08:09] town feel um

[1:08:12] wi with that area. So

[1:08:18] some other sections, this was kind of

[1:08:20] that that third section that was was

[1:08:22] changed recently.

[1:08:25] Um,

[1:08:28] so the one image on the left is is

[1:08:30] showing potential building height. Um,

[1:08:34] so that was changed significantly where

[1:08:36] now we're we're limiting the majority of

[1:08:38] area to two-story buildings and some

[1:08:40] one-story buildings. Um, and then there

[1:08:43] were quite a few changes to the

[1:08:44] precedent images. Um, overall I would

[1:08:48] say the changes were kind of focused on

[1:08:51] um getting rid of anything that would I

[1:08:53] guess uh encourage or or um uh

[1:09:00] indicate that we were um open to make to

[1:09:04] maybe um

[1:09:07] higher like multi-story densities

[1:09:10] whether that be commercial or

[1:09:11] residential. and then um focusing really

[1:09:14] on high quality architecture and and

[1:09:16] more of a small town

[1:09:19] feel architecture rather than like a

[1:09:21] modern architecture. So that was overall

[1:09:24] the changes that were made. Um I'll go

[1:09:26] through these pages quickly, but

[1:09:29] >> and thanks for for changing these Jill

[1:09:31] and Anders and and Michael too and for

[1:09:33] all your work on on this. Uh I think

[1:09:36] this is one area of town that we can

[1:09:38] really make feel different and one of

[1:09:39] the ways we do that is preserving our

[1:09:40] view of our mountains and there there is

[1:09:43] a time and a place for taller buildings

[1:09:44] in Pacin City. Uh but I love the fact

[1:09:47] that this is not the place for it. They can they can stay shorter here.

[1:09:51] Obviously the one that we're allowing to

[1:09:52] be three may maybe a hotel hopefully or

[1:09:55] something like that. But uh but I think

[1:09:58] this is this is a good use of of the

[1:10:00] airspace to have the view of the

[1:10:02] mountain as they're hopefully heading to

[1:10:04] downtown or up Pac Canyon. So thank you

[1:10:06] for hearing our our remarks on this and

[1:10:08] lowering the height of these buildings.

[1:10:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. And so you know none none of these images are going to be

[1:10:14] perfect. there might be something that's maybe not exactly compliant with

[1:10:18] the the vision or the or current codes

[1:10:20] or or anything, but the idea is that

[1:10:22] it's providing a general precedent of of

[1:10:24] the type of architecture or or feel that

[1:10:27] we'd want to have in in these areas. So,

[1:10:29] these images are for not just this

[1:10:31] gateway area, but the entire planning

[1:10:33] area. Um so this this page is that

[1:10:37] gateway area and that mixeduse

[1:10:39] neighborhood commercial areas,

[1:10:41] residential areas um that that central

[1:10:44] gathering space um that that we would

[1:10:48] hope to envision as kind of a core piece

[1:10:50] to this to this development. Um and then

[1:10:54] the the uh flex use and hotel uses. Um

[1:10:59] and [clears throat] then the retail in

[1:11:00] the downtown district. um trying to

[1:11:03] preserve the the high quality um

[1:11:06] historic architecture that's there and

[1:11:08] encourage redevelopment that would that

[1:11:10] would kind of further that. Um and then

[1:11:13] this was a a precedent image that was

[1:11:15] created. There was quite a few changes

[1:11:17] that were made to this than what was

[1:11:18] originally presented to all. Um

[1:11:22] reflecting the changes in in uses um

[1:11:25] that were made to the other the the land

[1:11:27] use plan and and conceptual site plan

[1:11:29] and then also reflecting the changes in height. Um

[1:11:34] and then some other images showing um

[1:11:36] kind of that main street leading up to

[1:11:38] the um plaza area and and a potential

[1:11:41] rendering of that plaza area that could

[1:11:43] be a great draw and and make that area

[1:11:46] have a unique feel to it. Um uh another

[1:11:50] section of this plan was an economic

[1:11:53] assessment

[1:11:54] um that and and SWAT analysis and that

[1:11:58] all kind of went into ensuring that what

[1:12:01] was proposed with land uses um was

[1:12:04] something that would be doable that we

[1:12:05] that the the market would support those

[1:12:08] uses and we feel like the changes that

[1:12:10] were made still still are in line with

[1:12:12] that as original assessment. Another

[1:12:15] part of the economic assessment um was

[1:12:18] identifying these trigger sites. So, a

[1:12:21] trigger cites the idea is that it's

[1:12:23] identifying areas that are key um to

[1:12:27] making this plan a success where if

[1:12:29] these properties can be developed in a

[1:12:31] way that's kind of in line with the

[1:12:33] vision for the plan, then it would set a

[1:12:36] precedent for surrounding properties and

[1:12:39] really help um

[1:12:42] uh yeah, just just make the entire plan

[1:12:45] go the way that's that's envisioned. And

[1:12:48] so it identifies several trigger sites.

[1:12:51] And one thing we're excited about is um

[1:12:54] we've received a grant um from MAG that

[1:12:57] would provide funding to um sort of

[1:13:01] implement this plan for these trigger

[1:13:02] sites. So it would it would provide

[1:13:04] funding for the development of

[1:13:06] architectural plans um and site planning

[1:13:10] and then some uh transportation

[1:13:13] um intersection planning um that would

[1:13:17] help kind of take the the the next step

[1:13:19] to actually make this plan become a

[1:13:21] reality. So that's one of these city

[1:13:23] initiated um projects that we're excited

[1:13:26] about that that um could really make

[1:13:28] this this plan a reality, right? And so

[1:13:30] that includes this North Street 100

[1:13:33] North Main Street interchange and that

[1:13:35] city property um and then the um

[1:13:40] city-owned property at 40 South Main

[1:13:42] Street and then um this site here on 400

[1:13:45] North and Main Street, the Guerrer Farms

[1:13:48] um piece. Um and so re redeveloping

[1:13:51] these properties in a way that's that's

[1:13:53] kind of in line with with the vision for

[1:13:54] this area. This is right in the center

[1:13:56] of that that plan area, this

[1:13:58] intersection and property. Um so so that

[1:14:02] we're we're excited to kind of get going

[1:14:04] on that plan, but it is sort of

[1:14:06] dependent on on being able to adopt this

[1:14:08] plan um in order to take the this first

[1:14:11] step of implementing it. Um the plan

[1:14:15] also included a transportation

[1:14:17] assessment identifying um transportation

[1:14:21] needs, a conceptual main north main

[1:14:24] street cross-section um future grid

[1:14:28] connections and active transportation

[1:14:30] connections. And then um it included a

[1:14:34] historic kind of a a pretty in-depth

[1:14:36] analysis of the historic um district and potential um recommended changes to

[1:14:43] our code that that um

[1:14:47] that uh impacts or uh regulates

[1:14:51] development of the historic area. Um,

[1:14:54] and we've already begun looking at ways

[1:14:56] to implement that and and changing our

[1:14:58] um, central commercial zone to to

[1:15:00] incorporate these recommendations.

[1:15:03] Um, and then there's the active

[1:15:06] transportation plan that was included in

[1:15:08] this project that that's already been

[1:15:09] adopted by the city council. So, there's

[1:15:11] a lot of pieces to this uh plan that

[1:15:14] we're that are providing actionable

[1:15:18] steps to to not just have it be

[1:15:20] something that sits on the shelf, but

[1:15:22] really that we're we're excited to be

[1:15:24] taking the next step to implement this

[1:15:26] plan and and have identified several

[1:15:28] ways to to already start that process.

[1:15:31] Um, and so we're we're we're excited to continue with that. Um overall our

[1:15:38] staff's analysis is that um the plan

[1:15:41] truly reflects the needs of the

[1:15:43] community um that through the outreach

[1:15:46] that was done with its development um

[1:15:49] and that it that it um addresses the the

[1:15:53] comments from the city council and then

[1:15:55] continues to be in line with the

[1:15:58] economic assessment that was that was

[1:16:00] done for for what would make what would

[1:16:02] be successful in this area. Um, we also

[1:16:05] feel that it mitigates the the

[1:16:07] challenges and kind of addresses those

[1:16:09] original goals of the plan. Um, that the

[1:16:13] unique goals that it identifies for each

[1:16:14] area will really help with implementing

[1:16:16] the plan. And then finally, we we feel

[1:16:19] like it really um helps with providing

[1:16:22] the guidance that the city planning

[1:16:25] commission, city council, public, we all

[1:16:27] need to kind of be on the same page for

[1:16:29] understanding the the needs of this

[1:16:31] area, the the direction that this area

[1:16:34] is going and and and would really help

[1:16:36] with with developing partnerships and

[1:16:38] providing um that that direction for

[1:16:41] this that's specific and tailored to

[1:16:43] this area. And then it provides the

[1:16:45] leverage that's that's needed to really

[1:16:47] be able to demand high quality

[1:16:49] development and and architecture when different developments are being

[1:16:53] proposed. So, um, with that, I'll uh um

[1:16:57] ask if the city council has any

[1:16:58] questions for me.

[1:17:00] >> And I just, um, I just want to say thank

[1:17:03] you so much for all the hard work you

[1:17:05] put into this. I think it looks

[1:17:06] wonderful. You really listened to what

[1:17:08] we were saying. We really wanted to keep

[1:17:10] the views available with keeping the the

[1:17:13] number of stories low. Um

[1:17:17] I'd also like to maybe bring to people's

[1:17:22] attention that we can have big box

[1:17:25] stores

[1:17:27] um I think uh make sure their look is

[1:17:30] nice. I I think of I think it's the

[1:17:32] Pleasant Grove or the American Fork.

[1:17:34] Walmart is brick and it's it's doesn't

[1:17:36] look like a Walmart. Not that we have to

[1:17:38] have our Walmart changed, but any in the

[1:17:40] future. Um, can we do that? But other

[1:17:44] than that, everything looks wonderful. I

[1:17:45] think this is a great plan and I hope

[1:17:47] that we can stay loyal to it and

[1:17:51] um, good job. So, thank you so much.

[1:17:56] » Yeah, I just well definitely couldn't

[1:17:58] have done it without all of you. I mean,

[1:17:59] it was it was great to have those those

[1:18:01] one-on-one conversations with each of

[1:18:03] you to really to really help get us to

[1:18:05] where we're at. So

[1:18:06] >> been able to watch the the work that's

[1:18:08] being done on this and and and thank you

[1:18:10] very much for all the attention to

[1:18:12] details.

[1:18:14] >> There's there's few things as important

[1:18:16] as plans within our city. And so good

[1:18:20] plans protect both the city and the

[1:18:21] residents and the businesses too. And

[1:18:24] echo what council Moss said that we need

[1:18:26] to hopefully us and future councils can

[1:18:28] have the the wherewithal and strength to

[1:18:30] stick to the plan uh where it makes sense to do such. Um did this go

[1:18:36] before the planning commission?

[1:18:37] >> Yeah, I failed to mention that. Yeah.

[1:18:39] So, uh a public hearing was held with

[1:18:41] the planning commission um just uh

[1:18:45] earlier last month um and they

[1:18:47] recommended um it was a unanimous

[1:18:50] recommendation to the city council to

[1:18:52] adopt it into the um general

[1:18:54] [clears throat] plan which is the the

[1:18:56] recommended motion.

[1:18:57] >> Okay.

[1:18:58] >> Thank you.

[1:18:59] >> Wonderful. Without a plan, we we fail.

[1:19:01] So, this is a great plan.

[1:19:03] >> [clears throat]

[1:19:04] >> I got a few things. Um I It's been a

[1:19:06] long time coming. Been like two years.

[1:19:08] So nice nice to get this point to this

[1:19:11] point. Um just a few clarifications. As

[1:19:15] I look through this on the conceptual

[1:19:16] land use plan, it had under commercial.

[1:19:19] It had restaurants and but not in the

[1:19:21] mixed use. And it just seemed like the

[1:19:24] restaurants really ought to be in the

[1:19:25] mixed use and not in the commercial like

[1:19:28] where Paris RV is. It just didn't quite

[1:19:31] make sense to me.

[1:19:33] It's on page 2021 right there.

[1:19:36] [clears throat] If you'd go to

[1:19:37] commercial, it says

[1:19:39] >> primary retail and restaurants and

[1:19:41] grocery stores. But

[1:19:44] that's that red area, but it seems like

[1:19:46] in the mixed juice area, right where the

[1:19:48] interchange is is more where you're

[1:19:49] going to want your restaurants.

[1:19:52] >> I agree. Yeah. Um

[1:19:58] Yeah. I mean, um, ultimately I think, you know, as staff, as we're

[1:20:03] working with property owners, it's

[1:20:05] certainly not discouraging restaurants

[1:20:08] with with kind of the general um

[1:20:11] language there. I think it would it

[1:20:12] would be definitely helpful if it did

[1:20:14] specifically say restaurants. Um, so

[1:20:19] yeah, that's that's great feedback. Um,

[1:20:22] >> I think it does fall under that low

[1:20:24] impact commercial, but to be more

[1:20:26] specific to open the eyes of restaurant

[1:20:27] owners, I think that'd be good to add

[1:20:29] that in there as well. It's a good

[1:20:30] >> Yeah. And ultimately, it's Yeah, it's not a zone where we're not

[1:20:34] identifying every permitted use, right?

[1:20:36] But but it would be helpful to identify

[1:20:38] those uses that are especially

[1:20:40] >> such as restaurants in there. Yep.

[1:20:44] >> And another place in there, it talks

[1:20:45] about sales tax incentives for retail.

[1:20:49] As far as I know, the state code will

[1:20:51] not let us do that. And so I don't I

[1:20:56] don't know if we ought to strike that or

[1:20:58] leave it in there or not, but state code

[1:21:00] won't let us give incentives for retail.

[1:21:05] >> Okay. Yeah, that's well

[1:21:07] >> unfortunately. Make a note of that.

[1:21:08] >> Yeah, unfortunately. Then the other

[1:21:10] thing I had is on talked about um

[1:21:12] appendix C. What is appendix C? the talk

[1:21:16] that's for the his basin historic

[1:21:18] district.

[1:21:20] Oh,

[1:21:20] >> okay. Um, was that in there?

[1:21:23] >> I don't think I included the appendixes,

[1:21:26] but yes, I believe that would have been

[1:21:28] the the historic district

[1:21:31] overlay. And so, that wasn't included

[1:21:33] just because it wasn't necessarily

[1:21:36] part of what you'd be adopting into the general plan. It was more of

[1:21:41] something that would be helpful for

[1:21:43] staff to use as we're looking at

[1:21:46] implementing.

[1:21:48] >> But isn't appendix C part of this plan?

[1:21:50] I mean that's

[1:21:53] >> so I just don't know what's in appendix

[1:21:54] C. What where it's saying? So what's it

[1:21:57] is it defining what we're going to do in

[1:21:59] the downtown or I know we're working on

[1:22:01] an or a code for that but does this tell

[1:22:03] us what the code's going to be?

[1:22:06] >> Um it does it does not say what it's

[1:22:09] going to be. Um but it just suggests

[1:22:12] recommendations

[1:22:14] >> re it provides recommendations for

[1:22:17] changing it

[1:22:17] >> as long as recommendations

[1:22:19] >> it's not worded as code and so when it

[1:22:24] comes to implementing it there there's

[1:22:27] several things that need to be I guess

[1:22:29] tweaked with with how it's worded so

[1:22:31] that it's it's code language right it

[1:22:33] it's kind of that that legal language

[1:22:35] rather than with appendix C it's worded

[1:22:38] more as a um kind of a design

[1:22:40] guidelines. Um, and so yeah, that that's

[1:22:45] one of the the things that we're hoping

[1:22:47] to do to to implement this plan in the

[1:22:49] near future is is take that language in

[1:22:53] that appendix C and and kind of turn it

[1:22:56] more in take take what, you know, take

[1:22:58] what we like and leave the rest and and turn it more into um code language

[1:23:03] that then would eventually come to you

[1:23:06] as for a proposed amendment to the CC-1

[1:23:09] zone ordinance.

[1:23:11] The last thing I have is just the way we're really going to get this

[1:23:16] to take off is because

[1:23:19] uh the Flying J property, which is the

[1:23:20] key to this place, is um they're just

[1:23:24] kind of waiting to see what the happens

[1:23:26] with the braided ramps or if we have

[1:23:29] frontage road and and waiting for the to

[1:23:33] um UD do and to come up with a plan for

[1:23:36] that. So, I think that's really key for

[1:23:40] this is to make sure we keep pushing

[1:23:42] that and getting that in place so we can

[1:23:44] have this property be ready to de be

[1:23:46] developed. But I like the plan. I think

[1:23:48] it's great and thank you for all your

[1:23:50] work.

[1:23:52] >> Okay. Any other council discussion,

[1:23:55] comments?

[1:23:55] >> I was just going to say um compared to

[1:23:58] what you first showed me, because

[1:23:59] obviously I came in as a newbie.

[1:24:01] compared to what you first showed me. I

[1:24:03] feel like everything that I put out

[1:24:06] there, you guys listened to and it looks

[1:24:10] completely different. And when I was

[1:24:12] going through all the pictures and the I

[1:24:14] know they're just ideas and renderings

[1:24:16] and such, but it made me feel like if

[1:24:19] that's what was there, I could still go

[1:24:21] into historic downtown and feel like I'm

[1:24:24] driving down historic Main Street and

[1:24:26] not coming into a big city. cuz as I had

[1:24:30] said, I had said

[1:24:31] >> you're going to have two other exits

[1:24:32] that we can make modern and big and

[1:24:35] whatnot, you know, like this is this is

[1:24:37] it. This is historic downtown. And so I

[1:24:40] just want to say thanks for listening.

[1:24:41] It sounds like everyone else feels the

[1:24:43] same. So you did great.

[1:24:46] >> Wonderful. Sounds like we're ready for a

[1:24:47] motion.

[1:24:49] >> I'll make a motion that we adopt the

[1:24:50] patient uh downtown gateway area plan as

[1:24:53] part of the city's general plan. Also,

[1:24:56] >> can I can I amend that to also Should we

[1:24:58] add, Brian, to add the the wording of

[1:25:00] restaurants to mixed juice and the

[1:25:02] deletion of sales tax incentives in the

[1:25:04] plan?

[1:25:04] >> Yeah, I can amend my uh motion to that.

[1:25:08] >> I'll second.

[1:25:09] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded.

[1:25:11] Roll call vote starting with Council

[1:25:13] Smith.

[1:25:14] >> Yes.

[1:25:15] >> Council Hick.

[1:25:15] >> Yes.

[1:25:16] >> Council Roelly.

[1:25:16] >> Yes.

[1:25:17] >> Council Moss.

[1:25:18] >> Yes.

[1:25:19] >> Thank you. Motion carries unanimously.

[1:25:21] That brings us to number six. uh

[1:25:24] discussion on endo rodeo arena

[1:25:25] feasibility study. Dave and and uh

[1:25:30] >> Anders take this.

[1:25:31] >> Oh, Anders. Good. Yeah, I know you've

[1:25:33] been heavily involved. Go ahead, Anders.

[1:25:37] >> Yeah. Um

[1:25:40] [clears throat]

[1:25:41] Okay. So, what I have up here is just um

[1:25:45] uh when in when we included the plan in

[1:25:49] the packet um it it had this one-page um

[1:25:52] sort of staff report, executive summary

[1:25:55] of of um what what seemed to be the kind

[1:25:58] of key elements of of that study. Um and

[1:26:02] so I'll just just kind of really quickly

[1:26:04] go through what these are. Um, so for

[1:26:08] some background, um, Councilman Hwlet,

[1:26:11] uh, secured a grant for the city that

[1:26:13] allowed us to study, um, the economic

[1:26:19] impact and, um, feasibility of having a

[1:26:24] city um, rodeo and indoor um, equestrian

[1:26:29] riding arena in PAC. Um, and there's significant interest from the

[1:26:35] community in in this type of facility.

[1:26:38] Um, and so we just kind of wanted to

[1:26:40] take take a first step at at going from

[1:26:43] just a an idea out there to, okay, what

[1:26:46] would it actually look like? What would

[1:26:47] it actually take to to do something like

[1:26:50] this? Um and so um we we were able to

[1:26:54] have uh Crossroads Consultant

[1:26:57] was um this group that's done lots of

[1:26:59] similar studies like this across the

[1:27:02] country and they came in and did a I

[1:27:04] think a great job very thorough analysis

[1:27:06] of of this type of facility and and all

[1:27:09] the impacts that it would have. So kind

[1:27:12] of some some highlights to this. Um one

[1:27:15] of the first things it did was looking

[1:27:16] at um comparable facilities. So, it

[1:27:20] looked at um rodeo facilities in the um

[1:27:25] near area to to PAC um that we could

[1:27:29] compare kind of their their operations

[1:27:32] and their costs and revenues. Um but

[1:27:34] then it also looked at kind of a more

[1:27:36] nationwide uh view of of uh facilities

[1:27:40] that were maybe more similar to to what

[1:27:42] PAC would potentially be doing. Um and

[1:27:46] so it identified um

[1:27:49] uh their um how many events they hold a

[1:27:53] year, their their revenues, their

[1:27:54] expenses. Um

[1:27:57] with the comparable facilities, they

[1:27:59] operate at a average operating deficit

[1:28:01] of approximately 675,000

[1:28:04] was seemed to be kind of the main

[1:28:06] takeaway from that section of the study.

[1:28:09] um site considerations looked at uh what

[1:28:12] would be kind of the the main components

[1:28:15] that would be needed on on a site like

[1:28:17] this um to kind of comply with market

[1:28:20] demands. Um and and and identified that

[1:28:26] there would probably be a need for about

[1:28:27] a 100 acres um for a facility that would meet all those market needs.

[1:28:32] Um and then it identified what would be

[1:28:35] specifically included in that. And then

[1:28:37] it talked about estimated budgets using

[1:28:40] um kind of all the data and information

[1:28:42] that they have and comparing it with

[1:28:43] other similar sites. Um and kind of the

[1:28:47] numbers they came up with was that um

[1:28:49] the estimated cost of actually um

[1:28:52] constructing the facility would be 96 to

[1:28:56] 152 million which would not include the

[1:28:58] cost of land. Um and then which would be

[1:29:02] that you know initial cost. And then as

[1:29:06] far as operating costs um and operating

[1:29:08] revenue would be 828

[1:29:12] um,000

[1:29:14] to 1.2 million. Operating revenue um 1.3

[1:29:19] million to 1.4

[1:29:21] about 1.5 million. uh which would also

[1:29:24] result as as seen in other comparable

[1:29:26] facilities in a operating loss of about

[1:29:29] um 250 to 470

[1:29:35] um,000.

[1:29:36] And then um one important part of this

[1:29:38] is um with a facility like this it's understood that there's sort of a

[1:29:43] multiplier effect where it has um it

[1:29:46] draws people into the city um which then

[1:29:50] encourages

[1:29:51] growth of businesses which then

[1:29:53] encourages you know growth of um drawing

[1:29:55] more people in and more businesses. So

[1:29:57] it so it has that economic impact that should be considered right as we're

[1:30:03] trying to support the community um and

[1:30:06] not just this uh field but but but in

[1:30:10] general. Um and so some estimates that

[1:30:12] it has for that is that it would um have

[1:30:15] direct and indirect spending of

[1:30:17] approximately 13 to 19 million um five

[1:30:21] to 3 to 5 million in in labor income and

[1:30:24] then um estimated tax revenues of

[1:30:27] potentially up to 1.3 million.

[1:30:30] >> Do we know Andrew the the time frame on

[1:30:32] that? Is that within 5 years the life of

[1:30:34] the the arena the where where are those

[1:30:37] numbers the n you know the up to 19

[1:30:39] million or

[1:30:41] yeah I I don't um I don't know if I

[1:30:44] could answer that question quickly from

[1:30:46] this page

[1:30:49] um

[1:30:53] » oh

[1:30:54] >> annually but regional

[1:30:57] Okay.

[1:31:02] » Annual that's pretty big number for

[1:31:04] annual return regionally, right?

[1:31:13] And how big of a region do you think

[1:31:14] we're talking here for something in

[1:31:17] >> bas?

[1:31:25] » Okay.

[1:31:33] Thank you.

[1:31:34] >> Yeah, there there is a map that kind of

[1:31:36] identifies that regional economic

[1:31:38] impact. I'm not remembering what page it

[1:31:40] was on, but but yeah, that more or less

[1:31:42] Provo South.

[1:31:49] » They they stated that we were we were in

[1:31:51] a good area for that. that it would be

[1:31:52] more centrally located and so be easier

[1:31:54] to be supported by a regional area.

[1:31:57] Right.

[1:31:59] >> Yeah. One one thing that I don't know is

[1:32:00] really addressed necessarily in here is just that there was um a lot of just public support for this facility

[1:32:08] and that it would be able to um continue

[1:32:12] to to have business, right? It would

[1:32:14] remain remain full. Um it just that that

[1:32:19] doesn't mean that it would be profitable

[1:32:21] due to the the c the operating costs and

[1:32:24] revenues but but it would be successful

[1:32:26] and that it it would continue to um have

[1:32:32] be used I guess estimation.

[1:32:36] >> Go ahead.

[1:32:36] >> Oh go ahead.

[1:32:37] >> I just I know uh you know I'm not much

[1:32:39] of a horse guy but I know a lot of the people I grew out grew grew up with

[1:32:43] out in West Mountain would be all about

[1:32:45] having something like this. would really

[1:32:46] like this. Obviously, the the 100 acres,

[1:32:48] that's a big piece of property to find.

[1:32:50] I guess, you know, a lot of that

[1:32:52] probably park parking, but that presents

[1:32:54] a challenge in of itself of finding

[1:32:56] something that big.

[1:32:59] >> Yeah, definitely.

[1:33:00] >> What I guess my question is um if

[1:33:04] something were to come of this

[1:33:07] time frame wise, what is the idea?

[1:33:10] Because feel like I'm really loud

[1:33:12] tonight. Um, I don't see

[1:33:17] Hayes being able to

[1:33:21] support any of this for a very long

[1:33:23] time. And you're talking to a horse

[1:33:24] owner. I

[1:33:28] I'm going to be blatant and honest. I'm

[1:33:31] not in support of it. I'm an accountant,

[1:33:33] so I instantly see a negative revenue.

[1:33:37] Um, and we're hoping it's going to bring

[1:33:40] in other money. And I look out at all

[1:33:43] the other departments and I think, well,

[1:33:44] we have so many other other things that

[1:33:47] to me is more important.

[1:33:49] There is an indoor arena seven miles

[1:33:52] that way. I know that Young Living is

[1:33:53] actually, cuz I'm in a horse community

[1:33:55] group, they actually just put it out

[1:33:57] there that they're going to do yearly

[1:33:58] memberships that you can go use their

[1:34:00] indoor arena. And you know, and it's I

[1:34:05] don't think that we could beat the price

[1:34:08] um that they offer.

[1:34:10] I think like Spanish works like a $100 a

[1:34:12] year and same with like Young Living,

[1:34:15] that's what they were talking about. And

[1:34:17] so for me, it would take a lot and

[1:34:21] partnerships if someone else is going to

[1:34:24] fund it somehow. So that was my very

[1:34:26] first thing is like what are we thinking

[1:34:29] 10 years, 20 years?

[1:34:31] >> Well,

[1:34:31] >> five years.

[1:34:32] >> And let me jump in on that one. We're

[1:34:34] not advocating that we we do this like

[1:34:37] >> No, we're just looking at it.

[1:34:39] >> This is just the We wanted to come and

[1:34:41] provide you with the results of this

[1:34:42] study.

[1:34:43] >> Is it to put more resources into it I

[1:34:45] guess then or is it just

[1:34:46] >> I think I think it was a very eyeopening

[1:34:49] experience for all of us to be able to

[1:34:51] say you know we've talked about this for

[1:34:53] a long long time and then council member

[1:34:54] Hillet was able to get some grant money

[1:34:56] to actually study the feasibility of

[1:34:58] this. Okay.

[1:34:58] >> And this was really just to understand

[1:35:00] what would be feasible and and I think

[1:35:03] for me the take-home was if we didn't

[1:35:07] have to build it.

[1:35:09] >> Yeah. If we didn't have to buy the land,

[1:35:11] build it, and provide it with utilities.

[1:35:14] >> Yeah.

[1:35:14] >> Then the revenue that it generated plus

[1:35:17] the the tax revenue that it would bring

[1:35:20] in,

[1:35:21] >> it it could be a really good

[1:35:22] opportunity. But advertising $150

[1:35:25] million,

[1:35:27] that that's a very heavy lift.

[1:35:30] >> Okay. And that

[1:35:31] >> we need benevolent billionaires.

[1:35:32] >> That's Yes. And that's helpful to know

[1:35:34] because when I did see it on the agenda,

[1:35:35] I was like, "So, what are we

[1:35:37] >> like? Do we just sit here and chitchat

[1:35:39] like, you know, kind of thing? Do we

[1:35:41] keep pushing? Do we that's it? Lay to

[1:35:44] rest kind of." So, thank you for that.

[1:35:46] But that's my that's my

[1:35:48] >> So, I want to give you a little

[1:35:49] background. So, this is a grant from the

[1:35:52] Utah Tourism Office from the state

[1:35:54] through ARPA. And so, it was a $50,000

[1:35:58] grant and it's 100% paid by them. So, it

[1:36:01] didn't cost us any money. And I know the

[1:36:02] mayor's been wanting to look at this for

[1:36:04] a long time, do a study. So, we're able

[1:36:06] to get that grant. So, um, a few things

[1:36:09] from this study that one impressed me

[1:36:12] was how much demand there really was

[1:36:14] from this group. They really said

[1:36:16] they're really, even with Spanish Fork,

[1:36:17] we questioned them a lot. Spanish Fork

[1:36:19] is actually going to do some additions

[1:36:21] to theirs, but they said there's really

[1:36:23] is a big pendup demand for this. Um, but

[1:36:27] then the cost of building it and the

[1:36:29] land, that's that's a big ask. And then

[1:36:32] also UVU is planning on building

[1:36:34] something but and I always thought they

[1:36:37] wanted to kind of do something with us

[1:36:39] but from this group they said they want

[1:36:42] to just do it on their own. They don't

[1:36:43] want anything to do with the city. So I

[1:36:45] think those are a couple of things we

[1:36:46] need to look at what UVU is going to do

[1:36:48] how we can incorporate them and then get

[1:36:50] with the county. The county really

[1:36:51] hasn't done anything for us down this

[1:36:53] way. You know you got up north and you

[1:36:55] got Spanish Fork and it's really time

[1:36:57] for us to get something from the hotel

[1:36:59] tax. thing things like that we can look

[1:37:01] at, but again, we aren't going to come

[1:37:03] up with $100 million and and build a

[1:37:06] road indoor rodeo arena.

[1:37:08] >> There's some things that we

[1:37:08] [clears throat] can look at from this

[1:37:10] study. I think

[1:37:10] >> I' I've been a really big opponent uh

[1:37:13] not a Yeah, not an opponent, but uh

[1:37:16] somebody that really wants to see this

[1:37:17] happen, but this is an extremely big

[1:37:20] lift. Unless we have, you know, somebody

[1:37:22] that really wants to step forward, who knows? Maybe someday somebody would.

[1:37:27] But without that input, I I think we are

[1:37:31] on the outside looking in.

[1:37:34] >> I think it's important too as we put

[1:37:35] this out and discuss that some

[1:37:36] opportunities might come up

[1:37:38] >> from this this study and someone might

[1:37:40] step forward and now we can say, "Hey,

[1:37:42] we have we have a we have a road map of

[1:37:44] what this is going to cost."

[1:37:45] >> It's not wasted money. We learned a lot.

[1:37:47] >> Yep. [clears throat]

[1:37:50] Yeah.

[1:37:51] >> Okay. Any further discussion? I think

[1:37:53] there's just for a discussion to bring

[1:37:54] us up to speed and if an opportunity

[1:37:57] presents itself, then we've got the

[1:37:59] ability to jump on it.

[1:38:04] Okay.

[1:38:06] I think I think that's a good

[1:38:08] discussion. Thank you, Anders.

[1:38:09] Appreciate you very much.

[1:38:10] >> Thanks, Anders. I motion that we

[1:38:12] adjourn.

[1:38:14] >> Okay.

[1:38:15] >> Second.

[1:38:16] >> All in favor say

[1:38:17] >> I.

[1:38:17] Hi.

[1:38:18] >> Good. We're ajourned.

[1:38:20] >> Thank you.

[1:38:21] >> Appreciate.

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