[0:21] All right. This is the ad commission meeting. It is Tuesday, September 29th, and 7.07 p.m. Eric Piper,

[0:31] Naomi Soden, myself, Cheryl Rosef. And Lucy McCain will be joining us shortly. So we have

[0:40] an agenda on a new form that I was supposed to have been using since last winter, but that

[0:48] one went right by me. Anyway, we have approval of minutes is the first item. And I sent you two

[0:58] minutes, one for August 25th and one for September 3rd. And if you would like to take a minute or two,

[1:07] I know I sent the August 25th minutes late this afternoon. I couldn't find the meeting

[1:18] on pepperole community media and I emailed Dave Peas and asked him about it and he sent me the link.

[1:26] So that way I could access the video and do my minutes. One of the reasons why I was late

[1:34] getting them to you. Not the only reason, but oh

[1:42] and here's Jim McCain. I did. I'm sorry to interrupt.

[1:48] I'm sorry.

[1:52] I went from one thing to the other today and just got home. I feel that way,

[1:59] too. Anyway, people are reading the minutes. Lucy. Okay. So there are two minutes. September

[2:05] 3rd and August 25th. You may not have gotten the 25th one until this afternoon. If you weren't

[2:12] home you wouldn't have seen it but no I didn't see it. Well what we're taking a

[2:17] minute or two for everybody to catch up and read about me to do that. Okay.

[3:28] I'm

[3:28] gonna go get more water.

[5:16] You

[5:19] said there were two right? Yes. I always see one. Yeah

[5:24] I see the other one. I only see the third nine third. Okay, there's a letter to the

[5:35] planning board minutes. Can we just talk about the third? I'm sorry, the third one.

[5:42] There are only two minutes September 3rd. Yeah, we only see September 3rd. Yeah, me too.

[5:48] That's all I read.

[5:50] You didn't get the August 25th?

[5:53] Hmm.

[5:54] Didn't we do that?

[5:56] No.

[5:58] No.

[6:01] It's okay.

[6:03] Can we do that next meeting?

[6:07] Well, we can approve it next meeting.

[6:12] Okay.

[6:14] And you can send it.

[6:20] I see you below for tonight's meeting.

[6:31] I sent you the writing sales.

[6:33] Okay.

[6:33] so I didn't send it to you. That's pretty typical of the way my days been going.

[6:40] All right, I

[6:47] did finish them. I thought I sent the 25th.

[6:53] Sure, we're not faulting you. Don't worry about that.

[6:56] That's all right. I'm really tired.

[7:00] So we'll just do a motion to prove the minutes for a September 3rd.

[7:06] I just have one correction, if I may, on September 3rd, so the product Emily probably

[7:15] used was Canva, C-A-N-V-A, not Canvas, it says Canvas in the meetings.

[7:22] I will change that.

[7:23] It's an auto-fill, auto-correcting that, you know, word does, and it will catch that, but

[7:30] I will change that.

[7:31] So, do we have a motion to approve with corrections?

[7:36] I make a motion.

[7:38] Okay.

[7:39] I'll say Lucy.

[7:41] And Naomi, second.

[7:43] Second.

[7:44] Okay. All those in favor?

[7:46] Aye.

[7:47] Aye.

[7:47] Okay.

[7:49] And then I will get the August 25th.

[7:52] I'll send that off to you like tomorrow or something.

[7:55] Take it away in your files.

[7:57] And then we'll approve that at our next meeting.

[7:59] Okay. Okay, thank you.

[8:06] So let's move on to Open Farm Day. And before we get to the

[8:13] Grange dinner, let's let me just recap that I have the directional signs in my truck now.

[8:21] Ooh, little stakes, you know, the age frame stakes. So I thought I would go

[8:28] around in the farms, maybe on Friday? Or should I do it Saturday?

[8:34] Well, it all depends if it rains or not, right?

[8:38] It looks like it's going to be a great weekend.

[8:41] Really? I saw a 50% chance of rain on Sunday this morning.

[8:47] They've been talking about that.

[8:50] Hold on for a minute.

[8:53] Well, we're going to have to...

[8:54] I had clear in 72.

[8:56] to? Well, that would be perfect. However. I lost your pictures of you. It

[9:08] doesn't matter.

[9:10] We have a plan in place, right? To announce, excuse me, to announce it on the website if

[9:20] We're going to change and it's going to happen.

[9:22] I think that is the rain going to be, I mean, people...

[9:26] Oh, there you are.

[9:27] Hi.

[9:27] It's only about 85, only 0.05 inches.

[9:33] It's less than half an inch.

[9:35] Half an inch.

[9:36] Oh, that's perfect.

[9:38] Yeah.

[9:39] It's just like, chance precipitation.

[9:50] That's great.

[9:50] Don't worry about it then.

[9:52] Okay.

[9:52] I think it's during the night. I don't think it's like it increases by 6 p.m. it starts to increase.

[10:03] Okay. I think we're good. Good. Yay.

[10:10] I'm gonna change that, huh?

[10:12] And high will be 63 between 1 and 2 p.m. Nice. I think we're gonna miss the rain.

[10:20] I hope so.

[10:22] Wonderful.

[10:23] You guys get my forward about the website that Tracy had an issue with.

[10:29] Yeah, that was great.

[10:30] I had gone there too and saw the same thing and I said,

[10:33] well, should I say something?

[10:35] No, thank you.

[10:35] Sorry.

[10:37] You fixed it.

[10:38] Yeah, she fixed it, right, Eric?

[10:40] Because I went back in after and it's fixed.

[10:43] Yeah, you couldn't read anything on the left side.

[10:46] Yeah.

[10:47] That was good. Naomi, thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Just a second. We have like cat. You have men?

[10:54] Okay, we have we're

[10:55] babysitting and dog that has trouble with our cats. Okay, all right. All right. So the website's all good and ready to go.

[11:06] What's happening after this event? Who's administering it? Who's managing it? Emily has been managing it.

[11:13] Well, I know she has been, but after this event, she's going to take it down and, you know,

[11:18] put stuff up or we need to talk, we need to talk about that, Lucy, because the website

[11:26] is up just for the duration of open farm day, it's for a month.

[11:32] Okay.

[11:32] And so I think it, I don't know the date that it actually expires, but it might expire a week

[11:38] or so after open farm day, something like that.

[11:42] and then the question is whether we continue it and that would mean paying a monthly fee and

[11:51] I've got to get the pricing and stuff from Emily on that. I think you said $30 a month or $30

[12:00] or 20 a month? Yeah, or 20 a month, but a $30 initial or something. Well, that's what we paid.

[12:10] We

[12:11] I think I heard $30.

[12:15] Well we obviously need to find out.

[12:19] So I propose that Emily and I sit down after Open Farm Day and we look at the website

[12:25] and we talk about it and we have served a development plan in mind.

[12:31] One of the things that I was hoping to do was to talk with Anne about the growing places

[12:38] this website, which is just, it's functional, but it's not, you've probably been on it,

[12:45] Lucy. It's, it's just functional, right? And the idea would be for a pepperel agriculture,

[12:59] to be able to link to growing places and to provide information for our farmers and so forth

[13:07] about the latest information at growing places, send them in there, right?

[13:12] And I don't know if they have information on their processing kitchen and information

[13:17] on cold storage, but we certainly could have pictures of the cold storage facility here

[13:23] and information about how you can store at cold storage and the pricing structure and pictures

[13:32] of what it looks like and all of that. So we can help being a kind of informational portal

[13:42] for users interested in learning. How did we get in contact with us? My thought was,

[13:49] because I don't trace you as I go, I don't know how to get in contact with that error. So maybe

[13:55] we could have an email. Yeah, there should be some email. That's a good

[14:01] There should be an email info at right and then who's ever going to administer it goes right the hyperlink goes right to them

[14:10] But may I suggest I think that's a good idea Cheryl, but for now

[14:15] I'm not sure Anne is ready with all of that and

[14:19] You know right now. I know she's getting the word out

[14:22] It might be best just while she's doing getting all that stuff together because I don't even think they have the commercial kitchen ready for

[14:31] much processing released from farmers because they've told me no a few times. They did one

[14:38] load of my basil once and a few other things this summer and it was late and that's all they

[14:43] could handle. So they're doing other things for others who they are. They're not the MAA people,

[14:50] that's for sure because anyway what I was saying was maybe we're best served with like a list of all

[14:57] of the farms in PEPROL and

[15:00] What's what this farm specializes in or what you would do, therefore similar to what we did on our map. You know, this, this farm's going to do this, this and this, but more, more on the, what you would go there for, you know, the list and maybe alphabetical order and the street number and when they're open and and maybe a hyperlink to the growing places, which would be another page or set of pages.

[15:29] So when she's ready, you know, I'm saying that they definitely I do and I don't if we

[15:36] go forward with a website I don't want it to be static, you know, I want there to be a turnover

[15:43] of information and so forth on it so that it captures people's interest and I want it to be linked

[15:51] to other town committees that have similar interests, for instance, or even other organizations

[16:01] like Nishoba Conservation Trust which is operating the Duke Woodland Reserve, right, which has

[16:08] wonderful equestrian trails on it, and we should be helping to bring people into town to

[16:15] track on those trails with their horses.

[16:18] So, I think there's a lot of creative brainstorming, Lucy, that we could do, but I totally, totally

[16:25] agree with you about talking about our farms, what they're offering, and linking to everybody's

[16:33] websites if they're available, and then talking to the farmers about how the website can best

[16:41] serve them, because there may be some other ways that we could support them, that they

[16:48] either don't have the time or interest in doing, but could be a benefit.

[16:55] Right.

[16:57] So, yeah, is Emily know how to do all the, is she designed websites before and all that?

[17:04] Well, the chief very familiar with Squarespace, and I've done Squarespace before is

[17:11] as well. Okay. And it's an easy interface. It's all templated. I mean, you're not going

[17:18] to be doing a custom website, which is fine, which is fine. And as Emily was saying at

[17:28] our other meeting, there's so much that can be done. You can do videos of farmers and videos

[17:34] of their farms and you can download those into the website. You can take orders, you can

[17:43] do. Yeah, but for now, let's just keep it simple with the names of the farms, what they offer,

[17:50] what their hours are, a link to their websites. I think that's an excellent idea. You know,

[17:55] everybody gets the same amount of paragraph kind of thing and definitely add on the horse stuff.

[18:02] You know, and links to where those pages are, you know, that kind of stuff.

[18:09] You know, even in terms of, you know, trail map so that people can, if they're interested

[18:17] in equestrian trails, they can see the available trails around town as well.

[18:22] We can do all kinds of stuff with it, I think.

[18:27] Is there land that you can walk on with conservation?

[18:34] Emily is a busy person too so we don't want to take up a lot of her time.

[18:40] Maybe schedule certain times that you meet, define the time, get in the most

[18:45] important and then table that let her have some time to install it, to implement it,

[18:51] and then move on to have a review and a quality, you know, maybe.

[18:58] And then, well, I could get tricky too.

[19:02] And you guys work it out and then we, you know, have another review maybe three months later.

[19:08] Would we want on the website?

[19:10] You know, so we keep it fresh.

[19:11] We keep it up to date.

[19:13] It's not a stagnant thing as you said.

[19:15] You know?

[19:16] Yeah.

[19:16] So one of the things, Eric,

[19:22] when you reached out to the Chronicle, did they say the name of the person who would be attending Sunday?

[19:30] Well, if she's able to, and this is just attending out of personal interest.

[19:42] Let's see, San Gita Chandra.

[19:46] And can we just reach out to her and even though it's personal interest, can we maybe

[19:55] spend a little time with her talking about what she's really looking at?

[20:00] Yeah.

[20:01] What's her name?

[20:02] San Gita Chandra.

[20:04] She's a Chandra producer at the Chronicle and someone from the Mass Agriculture Collaborative knows her so he was going to see if he could make sure she goes and go with her.

[20:28] What's your first name again?

[20:30] San Gita, S-A-N-G-I-T-A.

[20:34] Okay, San Gita Chandra.

[20:37] Yeah.

[20:37] Okay.

[20:38] Yeah, she's a producer.

[20:41] Can I find...

[20:42] Can you see Amdar got back to you as well, right?

[20:44] What was that?

[20:45] Can you see Amdar got back to you as well?

[20:49] Well, the commissioner sent me an email.

[20:52] She's a way on a trade mission.

[20:56] But she would let her staff know.

[20:57] So, I don't know if they do know because MDAR has a calendar of ag events and we're about

[21:03] on it.

[21:05] But, you know, this is going to show a Randall wrote back, so that was nice at least.

[21:16] Okay.

[21:16] Is there anything else that we should double check the Westford patch should be up?

[21:23] Yep.

[21:24] It's up.

[21:25] Good.

[21:27] I don't know about the other local papers, Meshoba Valley Voice, or I know good news purple,

[21:34] they're doing, they did their local events, so they put us on there. Okay, and they have their

[21:39] video out, I think maybe this week they'll have it out. Oh yes, right, under the different events.

[21:46] Great.

[21:47] Get like a...

[21:51] You know.

[21:52] Okay.

[21:53] It's on the Lowell and Nashua macaroni kid websites, which are...

[21:57] Oh, cool.

[21:59] For parents.

[21:59] Let's see.

[22:00] Yeah, that's good.

[22:01] I talked to the woman who runs the Nashua site.

[22:05] She was very nice.

[22:06] Okay.

[22:07] I'll feature it.

[22:08] The Lowell person I didn't hear from, but it is up there.

[22:12] It's on the Taiwan website, Destination Peperal.

[22:17] Okay.

[22:18] I'll put together.

[22:19] It's up there.

[22:22] It's on several community calendars.

[22:28] Is it right?

[22:32] The, the fall harvest festival.

[22:36] Yeah.

[22:36] And I had texted Emily asking her whether through Canva,

[22:43] We could produce more flyers in time for Saturday's wall festival and just give a

[22:52] stash to the Climate Change Committee and also the invasive.

[22:58] She's in the kitchen, I can ask.

[23:01] Yeah, cool.

[23:01] Emily, how much is it to print color?

[23:05] Is conservation going to be there?

[23:08] Well, color like those ones that we did, we want them.

[23:11] oh we don't okay if we did black and white it'd be cheaper a lot cheaper yeah we

[23:19] can print them yeah it's the day before the event though I think it'd be good

[23:33] okay yeah we'll look we'll look into it okay all right so if she can look into

[23:41] that we don't need hard stock at all. These are just to have on their booths on the table so

[23:48] the people can see that the day will have is the open farm day. And then we can also when I drop

[23:56] off the signs I can just drop off a few of the flyers as well to each of the farms and they can post them

[24:03] up.

[24:08] I don't know.

[24:12] Any other thoughts last minute to do's on this? Then we'll talk about

[24:17] the Grange Dinner.

[24:20] So you're going to bring the signs on Friday, sometime Friday?

[24:24] Yeah, it works everybody. That's what I'll do. I'll drop them off at all the farms and then

[24:30] the ideas you put them out by the road. You know, so people can find where you are, direct

[24:38] them into parking where you want them to park or whatever. So every farm will have one one sign.

[24:46] That's awesome. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. Grange dinner. Are we on? Yeah. We're on. All right.

[24:57] I'm doing it because you said you were paying.

[25:03] She's smiling.

[25:05] Well, Naomi and Tony and I met and we decided to go back to our goal and say, well, what's

[25:16] driving this dinner?

[25:17] What are the things we really want to get out of it?

[25:20] And number one was to build a community, of course, with our farmers.

[25:24] and number two was to thank them of sorts,

[25:26] a kind of gratitude for being part of it with us.

[25:31] Otherwise, without them, we would not be able to do this.

[25:35] And if I may say, look so good, have such a following,

[25:39] have such a good group of farms.

[25:41] Remember when we started, we would like three or four.

[25:44] And then we were five or six.

[25:45] And I was seven or eight.

[25:47] Now we're up to 10, plus we get the horse staff we're growing.

[25:51] And that's awesome.

[25:52] So it's time to say thank you.

[25:54] And I think the best way to say thank you, my Italian mom taught me was with food and

[26:00] especially to men and what do men love Italian food, Tony attested to that.

[26:10] So I looked into filo's and I looked at the catering menu and I looked at the prices and

[26:16] I said you know what this is, this is no brainer we can do this.

[26:20] So counting how many people you had said were already in the mix would be about 14 that

[26:26] I have right now.

[26:28] And philos makes this nice meatless cheese lasagna, the serves 20 to 25 people, pop it in

[26:37] the oven.

[26:38] I mean, it's going to be already ready.

[26:41] And I'm buying three baguettes in this meatless lasagna between Naomi Tony and myself.

[26:49] We each have our list our to-do list somebody's going to the market somebody's going to pick up the pies at Kimball

[26:57] somebody's going to pick up some ice cream at

[27:02] What's his name down the street at Telly's you know somebody's buying this drink and that drink and coffee and

[27:09] We are gonna put on a nice little dinner. That's great

[27:16] So, Cheryl, we need you to bring the civil way you said.

[27:20] No.

[27:21] Or because of the civil way.

[27:22] Naomi.

[27:23] Yep.

[27:24] Yeah.

[27:24] Thank you.

[27:25] I remember everything.

[27:28] I took this one.

[27:30] Yeah.

[27:31] Whatever you want to use, I know.

[27:33] It's not.

[27:34] Whatever we have, we don't use disposable.

[27:37] We have to wash.

[27:39] Tony and I will stay in.

[27:41] range also has I think utensils and plates. Tony was going to be here. I was going to

[27:51] ask him that question. Yeah, but we already did that. He wants to do. Let's just do, let's

[27:56] not use theirs if we don't, if we, if we can't, if we don't have to. So we're planning to

[28:03] do the, you bring the silverware, somebody else bringing the plates, buying the cups, you

[28:08] know that kind of thing. We have a, are we use that as a last resort? Like I said, whatever we use

[28:17] from them, we have to clean before we leave. Okay. And it's available, but. So I was talking to Tony

[28:27] and another several matters today, mostly related to the planning board table of uses. He said he's

[28:34] donating it donating three courts of ice cream tillies ice cream so he's

[28:39] bringing pumpkin and vanilla wow so that's three courts and I didn't know about

[28:45] the pies it kimbals but that's you know how many I don't know he's doing that

[28:53] right Naomi I don't have my list in front of me I left it downstairs

[28:56] he might he might have yeah I think he was doing that I wasn't on my list

[29:05] But we're going to have bread and the garlic shaker kind of thing and the butter and so we can have bread butter.

[29:14] He's also looking at buying Britney's or somebody's salad.

[29:19] You know, let us so they can put together a salad.

[29:23] Tony said that up swing is donating the bringing the salad.

[29:28] Good.

[29:29] good. That's awesome. They're just kind of donating the greens, the salads. So I guess

[29:36] you need salad dressing or something, I don't know. Yeah, I get that on my plate. Okay.

[29:43] And then he'd mention apple cider, just a couple of gallons of apple cider, right? For drinks.

[29:51] And then if anybody wants something more alcoholic, it's a BIO kind of thing. Right, you bring

[29:56] your own. Okay.

[30:01] And it's just immediate family.

[30:05] Well, here's what I've got. I've got Eric Emily and Korra. Is that true, Eric? Emily can't go. She has a birthday party. Oh, she has a birthday, so it's Eric and Korra. Lucy, I'm going to come. Uh-huh. Then Tony, Andrew, and maybe their daughter is Bell. So that's the house, H-O-U-D-E. Andrew, his name is?

[30:32] Andrew, I think I yes Andrew. What do they do? That's the three fables farm. That's the cut flower and dolias

[30:43] Oh, I don't know them. You'll have to introduce us. Yeah

[30:50] May and I'll bring Ellie Brittany is bringing Harvey

[30:56] Tony is asking Fred farmer

[30:58] Good. Good.

[31:01] Brittany wants to bring for her workers.

[31:06] I thought she wasn't going to.

[31:09] Well, Courtney's a Tony she does and she emailed me that she does.

[31:13] But I thought that was only if we were doing a potlock and we're not doing a potlock.

[31:18] That's why I sent you that message today.

[31:20] Remember initially last week she said I'm happy to bring a potlock dish.

[31:25] If we're going to invite everybody that works, other people, you know what I mean, it works

[31:31] for the day.

[31:32] I mean, I get other people who work.

[31:34] I have two sets of grandkids going to be here.

[31:37] I said to Tony, well, they're really immediate, well, no, they're not, I mean, I could fill

[31:43] the place.

[31:44] But anyway, so Brittany and Harvey, I don't know, are we, if it's, I've got 12.

[31:55] Eric, Korra, Lucy, Jim, Tony, Andrew, Isabella, Elizabeth, the wife can't come.

[32:07] She may help out with the birthday party. I could ask her.

[32:13] Brittany Harvey, Fred Farmer, maybe. So that's really 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 12, 13, yeah.

[32:21] Yeah, I had counted 14. I think we're missing somebody. Or you had said maybe Kimball was coming.

[32:28] I mean I never got back to me on that. I had a community garden he's coming with his wife.

[32:34] That's right.

[32:35] Oh yeah.

[32:36] And I made that she'd like to come with me.

[32:40] Wonderful.

[32:42] And wife and who else?

[32:44] My mom said she'd come with me.

[32:47] All right Naomi.

[32:48] So that's 14.

[32:51] Yeah.

[32:51] I mean you got person 16.

[32:54] Yeah.

[32:55] Yeah, yeah, 20 to 25 lasagna. That's perfect and people will have a second some people won't

[33:06] Right, they've serious said no Lauren Laura Dennis with covert physical therapy couldn't make it

[33:12] Oh, I haven't heard from Teresa Leblanc

[33:16] Comsted

[33:17] That all the farm is that the rest of the farms that did a response. Yeah, and then I so Dave Armstrong is coming good

[33:29] So me or the other people who do the meat not doing the

[33:38] air to have somebody come and the

[33:42] people that were at the okay I couldn't get a hold of them I just ran out of time okay.

[33:52] So Cheryl are you going to send out a message tomorrow saying we are definitely going to eat

[33:57] at the range we're going to have a nice dinner you don't have to tell them what we are eating

[34:01] for dinner though. I don't know. It's catered dinner. What time is this going to be? 4.30?

[34:14] 4.15? 4.30? Okay, give us time to get the animals in their stalls. I have to set up

[34:25] right as well. I hope somebody gets there before me because I have goats to get better

[34:32] down. You have, I mean, a five. Maybe that gives everybody a window. A little break. Yeah.

[34:40] Maybe a good five. Do you want that? Cheryl or do you want to go for 445 or?

[34:48] Well, it's a school. You can do 430. You can do 430. Let's do 430.

[34:53] Okay. I'll make sure they eat all day, they'll still be hungry at night. That's why they are goats.

[35:04] Okay, so 4.30 we start, cater dinner, we look forward to having you and to

[35:12] sharing fellowship, sharing dinner together.

[35:19] The way they know they don't have to bring anything,

[35:21] they don't have to do the dishes, they just have to be there. My Tony will do

[35:28] like an MC thing and he'll thank them for coming and then he'll invite them to

[35:36] come up and get there you know it'll be like you come and get your food it's

[35:39] upfront to wherever we set it up and then at the end before dessert or right

[35:47] after we'll do a you know wrap up of the day kind of pass the mic around maybe or just invite people

[35:56] wherever they're sitting don't leave anybody out about how it went at their place for the day

[36:02] and then maybe we could finish it off by saying you know any suggestions for next time we do it

[36:11] and in saying not next year we shouldn't say next year because sometimes we skip a year we do

[36:16] like every other year and that's a good thing too, you know, but any suggestions, any comments

[36:23] for the next time we do this, did you enjoy yourself, would you like to do it again?

[36:29] That kind of thing he's going to wrap that up for us.

[36:32] All right, let me, I will draft an email, loose, and send it to you for approval, all right,

[36:42] before I send you up.

[36:43] Okay.

[36:44] Thank you.

[36:44] So I

[36:50] have just so you know, I have a different take on the word catered.

[36:54] I think because catered to me means that like the lazy bubble there and there, you know,

[37:03] creating the dinner and serving it and stuff.

[37:05] But certainly, can we say the food provided by filos, main course provided by filos?

[37:15] I know.

[37:16] That's beautiful.

[37:17] Okay.

[37:17] What do you think Naomi?

[37:18] me. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[37:25] That's good because then they'll know not to

[37:26] you to tell you and write before them.

[37:31] Okay. And then all we have to do is get the greens

[37:35] from Brittany. Yeah, we're taking care of all that. You're gonna, you're gonna do, how do

[37:41] you want the invoices to you after you writing one check? Are you paying people individually

[37:47] layer? How's that going to work? Well, you know, maybe what I should be doing is

[37:53] emailing Andrew,

[38:00] sending him the current receipts, and asking him how

[38:12] this works.

[38:15] As far as the town cutting checks to people. Yeah.

[38:24] We've never done this before. Right.

[38:27] as

[38:32] you want to give you one check and then you meet us and you know divided up. I

[38:40] think I don't know. I honestly have any idea. I will email Andrew on that. Okay. I

[38:49] mean obviously I got to pay for the food before I before we eat it. So I'll put

[39:02] me an estimate.

[39:06] Tony had said like 125 for the lasagna in the in the bread. Is that about it?

[39:13] No, 120 was the lasagna and then or 125. I forget which one. And then the bread's 9 dollars

[39:23] a piece. We talked around about picking it up at a bakery. But none of us could find a figure out

[39:32] you know, nobody could get to turpolis in Northand or the Sunday.

[39:37] I mean, I'd love to go there.

[39:38] I could get some really nice French sticks,

[39:40] but they're up to like, they're all in a few,

[39:42] three, four, five bucks a piece now.

[39:45] But these are gonna be nine a piece,

[39:46] so I got three of them.

[39:48] Okay, so that's 27.

[39:49] Yeah, so 27 on top of what the lasagna was,

[39:53] I believe it was 125.

[39:55] That's it, and buy anything else.

[39:57] And then we'll just do the other stuff,

[40:02] the paper cups and Naomi's the drinks we're buying and I've got a list like I

[40:09] said Tony had a list and you just do the cider. Yeah so we'll each have some

[40:17] items to contribute. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Okay. All right. It's a committee

[40:23] worked well together and all right. Well thank you. That's great. Thank you

[40:33] I appreciate it. A great deal. Good. I hope it all brings out fun and everybody's just having a

[40:41] good time. You know, I hope the day is a good day. The weather is perfect. That would be great.

[40:49] I believe they're starting to turn. It's starting to really feel like fall now.

[40:55] Yeah, it'll be the first Saturday in a couple weeks. I mean, Sunday, excuse me, that will be sunny.

[41:02] I have a lot of people I bet.

[41:06] I think so.

[41:06] It'll be fun.

[41:08] Yeah.

[41:08] Certainly worked hard enough for it.

[41:11] All right.

[41:12] Let's move on to table of uses in the playing board.

[41:19] Eric, we wrote his letter by adding farms and so forth.

[41:24] And he centered around everybody.

[41:28] I had also drafted service short memo.

[41:31] but Erics is so secure to my effort. Let's just not even ditch my memo and let's

[41:40] focus on Erics' letter. All it does is add three new examples to the letter I wrote last year.

[41:48] I think it's great. Am I screened?

[41:53] Do you want to speed up? Are you bringing it up?

[41:57] Yeah, let's see. Do I need to be made a presenter?

[42:01] Yes, you do.

[42:10] I'm done eating so I can switch my camera back on.

[42:14] I've shoveled in a lot of it.

[42:16] All right, so you're a presenter now.

[42:18] Okay, great. So,

[42:22] okay.

[42:25] So,

[42:29] this is almost the same letter that I sent last year

[42:34] as an individual.

[42:35] Well, Cheryl, I took basically your memo and I added, as part of the committee's effort

[42:44] to review and vet the warrant articles, we request that the planning board includes

[42:50] writing stables and writing academies in the table of uses as an agricultural use, as

[42:57] right.

[42:57] And then the only other thing I did was, I said, following say a lot of numerous towns

[43:04] and Massachusetts have correctly exempted writing facilities from special permit requirements.

[43:09] Importantly, that number includes three of our closest neighboring communities, but I also

[43:13] added three new towns that I found since last year.

[43:19] So, it was gotten, and there you can see their table of uses is set up like ours, writing

[43:25] Charles is under agricultural in all zones as a right, truck gardening, yes, truck gardening, truck gardening, truck gardening, yeah, that last thing grazing and farming, including truck gardening.

[43:45] I don't know what that is.

[43:49] People selling out of the back of their trucks.

[43:53] No, it's a gardening raising and growing.

[43:56] Maybe they use their trucks to garden.

[43:59] No.

[43:59] I guess.

[43:59] Wow.

[44:00] Wouldn't get any sun.

[44:02] I've never heard of that.

[44:04] No, like they use it to make a garden.

[44:07] That's the sun, right, though.

[44:08] Well, leave it to somebody's imagination.

[44:11] I'm selling the truck.

[44:12] There's no truck farming.

[44:14] Is the practice of growing fruits, vegetables, and flowers which are sold directly to local

[44:20] consumers, restaurants, and goods and stores without a middleman?

[44:28] The typical farmers and acres are more on which a wide variety of produce is grown.

[44:33] Ten acres or more?

[44:35] Wow.

[44:36] He said, this is, you know, Google.

[44:38] How do you take out the middleman?

[44:40] What does that mean?

[44:40] We take a farm stand. You sell direct retail. Yeah. I've heard it. And you're on the move probably

[44:51] if you're a truck and you have wheels. Yeah, is it just setting up at a corner of a intersection

[44:56] and with a table and...

[45:00] I can't. Track. Starting foods, vegetables and flowers, which are sold directly to local consumers, restaurants and

[45:06] commercial. May my thought is like the stop and shop be giant truck that they have the food in.

[45:12] Yeah, but there's it's not open. How does it get air and sunlight?

[45:16] You can't photosynthesize. Oh, listen to this. Oh, this is, this is, this is so.

[45:24] So, trek gardening, more commonly known as trek farming or market gardening, is the commercial

[45:30] practice of growing one or more vegetable fruit or flower crops on a relatively large scale

[45:35] specifically to be sold fresh in markets.

[45:39] Despite what the name suggests, the word truck in this context does not originally come from

[45:45] the motor vehicle, instead it derives from the old North French word to occur, which means

[45:52] to barter trade or exchange commodities, so it has nothing to do with trucks.

[46:01] Nothing really, no.

[46:03] Well, huh, I never heard of it.

[46:06] So including market god name in the hub as soon as they focus on less diverse select group

[46:14] of quick growing high value crops that can be grown efficiently in large quantities.

[46:22] most anything. Excuse me. Anyway, this is great. You added all this. Yeah, and then so surely

[46:31] requires a special permit for writing stable, but it no it's except that a horse Fimer stable

[46:37] that is otherwise exempt under state law shall not require a special permit. Nice. Towns in.

[46:43] and I love challenging.

[46:46] Yeah, it's permitted uses include agricultural operations for raising keeping and boarding

[46:51] horses including delivery and riding stables or other farm animals for commercial use as

[46:57] provided in state law.

[46:59] Yeah.

[46:59] Then the three towns outside our region, the most obvious is Holland, which is similar to

[47:07] rotten. They have a table. They can see under a deep commercial writing stable allowed in all zones.

[47:15] It's agricultural use. Plainfield and Menden were similar to Shirley. Right. What it just shows.

[47:25] Well, you know, go back to, sorry, what caught my eye here in Plainfield. They have writing academy

[47:33] me writing stable. So they've introduced the writing academy piece of it. Yeah. Yeah.

[47:40] And I think that that's very important.

[47:46] Yeah. And this is the language we've also suggested.

[47:50] Right. Writing Academy.

[47:54] Yes. Let's see. Did we actually give them? No.

[48:01] Maybe we need

[48:02] to. I could put quotes under writing stables. Our current definition, I believe, we have

[48:12] a definition of writing academies in the.

[48:19] In the definitions? Yes, I believe so.

[48:24] What would the differentiation be between a stable and an academy? One could be more

[48:31] course boarding. Like four owners of horses to board their horse and ride on the property,

[48:39] versus like our farm where we're riding, riding, boarding,

[48:48] etc. There's tables riding, boarding,

[48:52] and the horses. They're riding the boarding and the owning.

[49:00] I think what we should probably do

[49:06] is also provide them sort of a suggested,

[49:11] suggestive language.

[49:13] Okay.

[49:16] What is the grantants?

[49:19] The grantants just says writing stables.

[49:22] But I think we wanted

[49:26] to include

[49:29] writing stables, writing academies.

[49:31] It goes back to, you know where it goes back to,

[49:35] Eric is case law.

[49:36] law. And you had, you had quoted case law, settled at the operation of facility for

[49:46] raising training, boarding of horses, giving riding lessons, and for the riding use of

[49:51] owners.

[49:54] So there

[49:58] was some other language and, and some other case law too, but I would,

[50:04] And I would pick that up.

[50:07] Yeah.

[50:08] I mean, can we just see it routing and boarding facility?

[50:12] Make it simple?

[50:15] No.

[50:16] Naomi, I think in this case, my gut says if you can be specific, then you be specific.

[50:26] And if you can sort of copy some of the language from some of this case law, then you're

[50:33] You're really on solid ground.

[50:36] So I can double check that tomorrow and add just one sentence.

[50:42] Yeah, let's give them a suggestion rather than,

[50:45] I mean, we're giving them proof, right?

[50:48] Yes, right.

[50:49] So now they can see that it's not just in mass general law,

[50:53] but it's the case law interpreting the general law

[50:57] and that it's fairly expansive.

[50:59] So I think in our approach to this,

[51:01] we should be as expansive as the case laws describing what we feel is by right because that's

[51:13] what the law is saying. Yeah. Okay. I'll go like that. That would be cool. So we kind of say,

[51:21] here's the suggestion, rather than leaving it to the planning board to have a conversation that we're

[51:27] now. Right. Okay. Do that. That would be great. And the other thing that I was trying to slip in

[51:35] there, um, and I was the, uh, riding therapeutic riding. Yes. Because therapeutic riding requires

[51:48] There's stabling, the training is stabling horses for this very specific clientele.

[51:56] It's been around for decades and decades.

[52:00] When Lex started riding as a 13-year-old, there were therapeutic riding programs where

[52:06] we were.

[52:09] This is not new, hippotherapy, this is not new, and it's well recognized for all of its medical

[52:17] benefits. And with the stateags review of the town of, I forgot the name, they're

[52:31] right to farm by law, where they said towns under homeral can't detract from the law, but

[52:39] they can add. Oh okay. You see I I was thinking that we should add the therapeutic writing to

[52:49] this as well. Good idea. We're not subtracting. Right. Right. So if any business that uses horses

[52:58] has to be added in. No I'm not saying that. I think that would be a real stretch but because

[53:07] therapeutic writing is writing involves stabling involves licensing the

[53:16] practitioners have to be licensed either a physical therapy and so forth. I

[53:21] mean when you read Laura Dennis's bio and it's been around since the 1970s

[53:32] 1980s.

[53:44] We're not just calling, you know, any Tom Dick and Harry that says, oh, I've got a

[53:52] writing stable. I think it's, you know, it's very, you know, like, Townsend, what is Townsend's

[54:00] language.

[54:06] Agriculture operations for raising keeping importing

[54:09] horses, just including livery and writing stables, livestock, therapeutic writing, or other

[54:16] farm animals for commercial use. Yeah, you could do that.

[54:21] Okay, yeah, I wonder if there isn't much case law on therapeutic writing in particular

[54:27] color that I saw.

[54:32] I mean I personally think this is a commercial use of

[54:34] horses. It's right. I mean it's called therapeutic writing, the therapy.

[54:42] I mean you'll be used for like PTSD people too. Yes they do. I mean it's

[54:46] especially that a whole other, that's not therapeutic but it's like

[54:50] therapy. No it is not. It's physical therapy. It's physical therapy but either way it

[54:57] is writing. Yeah. So I feel like that should therapeutic rights should be included in

[55:06] the definition. Yeah. It's just no core as far as I know has said that. Well, then later

[55:13] on down the road, we'll find it. We'll find out. But if these, if the zoning by-law has

[55:20] to be reviewed by the attorney's general's office? I wonder if it does. Oh, but they

[55:27] wouldn't oppose that. No, no, they're not going to oppose it. And I do think if someone

[55:36] tried to argue therapeutic writing was not writing, what they're essentially saying is writing

[55:44] services for special needs clients does not count as writing. And that strikes me as

[55:51] that's discrimination. I mean, like saying, is essentially an ADA compliant writing?

[56:00] It's used a lot for pediatric clientele a lot. And if you read the Clover Physical Therapy

[56:12] website, the span of people from brain trauma to cystic fibrosis, MS, anything where motor

[56:30] capability can be improved by sitting on top of a horse.

[56:34] Yeah, okay. I will model something maybe on

[56:40] Townsend just to have circulate it, but it's true. I mean if you go to Cloverlock, it's a it's a writing stable. They have I

[56:49] Think it there's a real estate physical and mental or we're just gonna say therapeutic

[56:55] Yeah, because it could be both I mean if hippotherapy is the

[57:01] the name that's being used today, whereas maybe my terminology is a little old-fashioned.

[57:13] We can just use hypotherapy.

[57:16] And that refers to both.

[57:18] Yeah, therapeutic riding, hypotherapy.

[57:21] Hopefully, it also includes mental health.

[57:25] But other people might not know that, so why don't we just stick to defining that, like we said, they're a pewter-grading, wouldn't include anything.

[57:35] It's much more common term.

[57:38] Yeah, right.

[57:39] Okay.

[57:40] I'll re-circulate that tomorrow then.

[57:43] Yeah.

[57:44] Which is by Friday.

[57:46] Okay, that sounds fine.

[57:47] Is it the word public hearing on Monday?

[57:53] Public hearing is on Monday.

[57:55] It's the planning board can decide that they can keep the public hearing open.

[58:03] They don't have to close it Monday.

[58:05] They can keep it open for another week or two weeks.

[58:12] That's an unknown how they want to handle it.

[58:15] If they are still receiving comments, they might keep it open in

[58:24] any event. We're just going to

[58:26] Trundle along and do what we can do in the time we have, you know, hey

[58:33] This is such a fast deadline

[58:37] We'll tell a meeting coming up and we still have tell a meeting on our

[58:43] What is that again? It's a November. It's on a Saturday

[58:51] I think it's November 7th in the morning in the morning at 9 o'clock in the morning.

[59:04] Over at Nisitisit.

[59:07] Yeah.

[59:12] And we want all the farmers there, right?

[59:14] We do.

[59:17] That's the, you know, choreo morning, but.

[59:20] Yeah.

[59:21] It's chore hour for these farmers.

[59:23] Um, what time, what time are farms not working?

[59:28] I know.

[59:31] Well, maybe that's something that should be said at, um, as a final comment,

[59:37] perhaps Cheryl in the, um, in the dinner, you know, before we say goodbye to

[59:42] everybody, um, if you could write something up for Tony to read, that would be

[59:48] awesome. You know, what we had a role in doing in as many farmers,

[59:53] however you want to say it, you have a nice way of saying things.

[1:00:00] Oh, that's how I can do something for this group. Yeah, or for the town, whatever. All right. Well, we can talk some more on that one too. So we'll get this one off by the end of the week. That would be great. And then I also felt that we should go through the table of uses because there are other references to agriculture in the table of uses. Yeah.

[1:00:26] Um, and I can pull it up and

[1:00:36] see, Eric, do we need you to present anything else?

[1:00:41] I don't think so.

[1:00:45] So we have two members. Oh, you sent one of the memos already to the

[1:00:48] planning board, right? Any agricultural use, uh, good. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I sent that.

[1:00:57] Let me see if, this

[1:01:04] is the article, I wish your vacation Eric, it was really nice.

[1:01:10] Yeah, we actually bought frozen lasagna and had a dinner at Emily's parents,

[1:01:16] taking a small version of the next week.

[1:01:21] Awesome. Let me see if I can share.

[1:01:28] Here it is.

[1:01:31] You see it?

[1:01:33] It's coming I think.

[1:01:37] Oh yeah.

[1:01:38] Yeah.

[1:01:38] You see it?

[1:01:39] Can't read it.

[1:01:41] I don't know.

[1:01:42] Get it.

[1:01:42] Oh.

[1:01:44] Okay.

[1:01:46] Is that better?

[1:01:48] Oh.

[1:01:51] Maybe even bigger.

[1:01:56] Better?

[1:01:58] Mm-hmm.

[1:02:00] So, all I'm seeing is my screen.

[1:02:02] So, I can't see what it's looking like on...

[1:02:05] Oh, I see.

[1:02:05] There it is.

[1:02:07] Uh...

[1:02:08] So, what is it?

[1:02:09] Right through. What are those?

[1:02:13] How's that better? Oh, yeah. Yep. All right. What are those strike

[1:02:19] throughs for? Well, the strike throughs are that instead of the board of selectmen, for instance,

[1:02:29] on accessory daycare facility, they're inserting the planning board. These columns reference each

[1:02:39] zoning district in town. Okay, so we start at the top here. So you have, can you

[1:02:48] see this? World residential, town residential, recreational residential, suburban

[1:02:58] residential, urban residential, commercial and industrial. Those are the zoning

[1:03:05] Districts in town.

[1:03:08] And you can see here on the left what is allowed from single family

[1:03:18] to family dwelling, multi-family dwelling. And every time you see something like PB, that

[1:03:28] requires I think planning board review and special permitting.

[1:03:36] So when you see something

[1:03:38] that has wise and ends on it. These are allowed by right and says no it's not allowed at all.

[1:03:50] So if you look at manufactured modular prefab home community it's allowed in rural residential

[1:03:58] and town residential but nowhere else. The accessory dwelling unit is the new state law

[1:04:09] and so it is now allowed by right in all districts except for commercial and

[1:04:18] industrial.

[1:04:23] So here is where the exempt uses come in. This is this is ag and

[1:04:31] I

[1:04:33] don't know what the new language is going to be. We've suggested language to

[1:04:44] substitute all of this. And you can see that it is allowed by right in all zoning districts.

[1:05:02] There's childcare is allowed by right. Churches are allowed by right. Then you have governmental

[1:05:13] or institutional uses,

[1:05:19] and here, cemeteries is not a selectman, but it's a planning board.

[1:05:26] That's the body that oversees the special permitting. Public recreational facilities

[1:05:34] are allowed by right everywhere.

[1:05:40] You don't have Section D commercial uses and this is where I want to draw your attention.

[1:05:50] Because it has...

[1:05:52] What is the last three?

[1:05:54] So commercial, industrial and urban residential?

[1:05:59] Urban residential, commercial and industrial.

[1:06:04] So what's considered urban residential?

[1:06:07] This is a zoning map and I can bring that up as well but this is the center of

[1:06:15] town. Urban residential is kind of shaped oddly.

[1:06:24] Part of it sits right

[1:06:26] behind railroad square along, I guess, low-street in between railroad street,

[1:06:41] low-street in that area back there. Then there's another section of it that is

[1:06:47] around Hollis Street, Cross Street in that area there.

[1:06:57] You can see the zoning

[1:06:58] maps on the town website. And I can send you the zoning map, too. Do you want me to do that?

[1:07:09] Is that a yes? Yeah. Sure. So you know what this is referencing.

[1:07:20] But they have here commercial

[1:07:22] uses. And here, they've got non-exempt commercial greenhouse, non-exempt dairy,

[1:07:31] poultry or livestock farm, non-exempt farm or nursery, this and then they've got fur farm

[1:07:40] or pigery on non-exempt parcels.

[1:07:43] What do they mean by educational use?

[1:07:45] Like using the animals for educational use?

[1:07:48] No, I think educational use has to do with actual schools or educational.

[1:07:53] Oh, that's not all it takes.

[1:07:56] Yeah, I think it's unrelated.

[1:07:59] Okay.

[1:07:59] But this is, now you have a whole grouping of agricultural non-exempt uses under this

[1:08:13] commercial uses heading.

[1:08:17] And I don't know how I feel about that.

[1:08:21] I don't, a non-exempt commercial greenhouse,

[1:08:29] what would that be?

[1:08:31] Exactly.

[1:08:32] I mean, something that doesn't meet the sales threshold or something that's smaller than

[1:08:38] two acres?

[1:08:40] All I can think of is that it's on less than two acres.

[1:08:45] So this means you can't, you can't do anything.

[1:08:49] Well, it's saying, yes, that a non-exempt commercial greenhouse, like what the, what the

[1:08:57] know for the urban residential. That's exactly. That's no urban residential.

[1:09:03] And it wasn't it also a no in the industrial?

[1:09:10] I mean, what if you have enough land in urban residential to do something and it makes

[1:09:14] deferral? I don't know why they have non-exempt commercial greenhouse as a no in industrial.

[1:09:29] I mean, I thought it was with the hydroponic, the one that was in the fish.

[1:09:38] This is the other memo that we haven't yet settled on to the planning board, but this

[1:09:46] would, little leaf is a commercial hydroponic greenhouse and it's large enough that it

[1:09:55] It really is an industrial model of agriculture, right?

[1:10:02] It's an industrial scale.

[1:10:05] Yeah.

[1:10:06] And so...

[1:10:07] Out.

[1:10:10] They're growing lead, let us.

[1:10:13] Right.

[1:10:14] I mean, what's there?

[1:10:16] What's there, like, consensus on why not?

[1:10:20] Who's in that area?

[1:10:22] Like, is there a specific danger or something?

[1:10:30] This table of use would have been written decades ago, so there's no one to ask why they

[1:10:36] set it up like this.

[1:10:38] Yeah, I just, I find this confusing, I don't quite get it.

[1:10:45] And then they've got the BOS here in urban residential, this is the urban residential, and

[1:10:57] And non-exempt farm or nursery, I don't, what does the BOS have to do with that?

[1:11:10] Then you've got a fur farm or a pigery on non-exempt parcel.

[1:11:16] So as farm stand have to do, is that added in?

[1:11:23] Yeah, the non-exempt farm stand.

[1:11:34] Anyway, I find this odd, there's a non-exempt farm stand here too.

[1:11:40] right.

[1:11:46] They've got bed and breakfast in here.

[1:11:50] What is B.A.

[1:11:53] I don't know. Board of

[1:11:55] assessors maybe that would be the zoning board of appeals. Okay. You adapt to

[1:12:01] reuse overlay district. What is that?

[1:12:10] But we have farms that have and many

[1:12:15] farms do this. Operating is a bed and breakfast.

[1:12:23] Yeah, there are farm stays. So which ones

[1:12:28] in, is there a specific ones in town that do that?

[1:12:32] Hmm, thanks. Well, Dragonfly farm.

[1:12:35] I think in Airbnb, that's a, and people go, do Airbnb.

[1:12:42] A Dragonfly farm did a whole bed

[1:12:46] and breakfast thing for a while. I don't know if they still do.

[1:12:51] They don't do it anymore.

[1:12:53] Oh, there's Johnny.

[1:12:54] Hi, Tony.

[1:12:57] Sorry, I'm late.

[1:12:59] It's okay. We were going through this section here at Tony.

[1:13:03] Can you see it on the screen?

[1:13:05] I mean, is there anything about flowers?

[1:13:06] What if someone just does flowers? What's that?

[1:13:09] That would count as a agriculture. That's flora culture.

[1:13:12] Yeah.

[1:13:14] section Tony and we've been scratching your heads on it and maybe it's just we just don't understand it obviously but under commercial uses it has non exempt commercial greenhouse non exempt dairy poultry or livestock farm non exempt farm or nursery

[1:13:35] And the BOS would be the authority to grant, I guess, a special permit if it occurs in urban

[1:13:45] residential.

[1:13:46] And then, of course, the fur farm or pigery on non-exant parcel.

[1:13:51] This whole...

[1:13:51] It was a fur farm like sheep and...

[1:13:55] No, it's like mink.

[1:13:57] Like skinny animals.

[1:14:00] It's not as big of a thing anymore, but...

[1:14:02] No.

[1:14:03] It wasn't like spinning the wall and making. Oh, it's like coats like Prole de Ville on

[1:14:10] one and one. Yeah. That's what it is.

[1:14:16] It's raising animals for their pelts.

[1:14:21] That's not so much of a thing. Yeah. Yeah. There are. There are. What are a bunch of

[1:14:28] farms in Minnesota? There was a. Yeah, and they were. Exactly. I remember that. Yeah.

[1:14:39] This is the section that I'm puzzled about.

[1:14:45] How can we get information about it?

[1:14:49] I guess we can ask Jason, just say we're looking at commercial uses as they relate to the table

[1:15:01] We don't understand what's going on here. Except that it just that it's either the sales

[1:15:11] aren't high enough or the size isn't large enough. That's all I can think of.

[1:15:20] Well, if it's a commercial greenhouse, then it has to be on land that's two acres and

[1:15:25] more, right? Now, it is, it is allowed by right in all of these areas here.

[1:15:35] Yeah, except the urban residential and industrial.

[1:15:40] Yeah. What if people do like education, like they have a school, but it's a farm,

[1:15:44] but that go under educational use could go under both, but the exemption for farms

[1:15:53] and agriculture is in the same part of state law, farms education and religion.

[1:16:09] So I just, I don't know, I thought I would raise it with a group and that maybe everybody

[1:16:16] can kind of figure out what's going on here.

[1:16:21] The hydroponic idea I think comes in another section.

[1:16:31] But this fur farm or Piggory, I think we've got to respond to that because it basically

[1:16:38] is saying a Piggory on non-exempt parcel, which I guess is under two acres, is raising

[1:16:50] It's fine. It's not allowed anywhere in town.

[1:16:56] With a lot under two acres?

[1:16:58] That's... I assume if it's not exempt. Right?

[1:17:03] Yeah.

[1:17:05] I mean, is the reason because there's not enough land for that many pigs.

[1:17:11] People think pigs smell.

[1:17:13] Yeah.

[1:17:15] So Dave Sears' comment was when I was talking to him about it today.

[1:17:19] He said the only thing I'm quoting him, the only thing I would comment on is the term

[1:17:24] they insist on using which is Piggory.

[1:17:28] If they truly wish to restrict factory style, confinement, confined livestock operations,

[1:17:35] then maybe Piggory isn't the proper verbiage.

[1:17:40] If the desire is the desire to restrict swine from even existing in PAPROL, question mark,

[1:17:49] they need to utilize different terminology.

[1:17:53] Everybody's connotation of a pigrie is vastly different than a pasture-based swine operation.

[1:18:01] Piggery is, if you look it up under AI or Wikipedia and stuff, that's terminology from the

[1:18:10] Yeah.

[1:18:11] And it really has, I

[1:18:17] don't know.

[1:18:19] Yeah, pickery is a livestock farm.

[1:18:22] Yes.

[1:18:23] Which under the commercial use to allow

[1:18:27] it as a right and all, but what the commercial industrial

[1:18:30] and urban residents are.

[1:18:31] Is this outdated terminology?

[1:18:35] Yeah, I think so.

[1:18:36] It very much is.

[1:18:38] And the question here is, this is so inexact, non-exempt parcel.

[1:18:46] What is, are you saying, under two acres?

[1:18:54] But what about the kid who belongs to 4-H?

[1:18:58] And he wants to raise a pig for 4-H?

[1:19:04] It's not a pigery.

[1:19:06] I mean, it's just...

[1:19:08] I think isn't personal livestock allowed in all zones?

[1:19:12] I mean, how much is considered a figure?

[1:19:15] Like how many pigs is considered a tree?

[1:19:17] Oh, excuse me.

[1:19:22] I don't

[1:19:26] know. I just, I don't quite know what to do here.

[1:19:30] Yeah, that is true.

[1:19:35] I think a quick call to MDOT, ask what's the, the, the, the contemporary term for

[1:19:43] Yeah, that's better than Piggly, we're raising Piggly, yes.

[1:19:50] Yeah,

[1:19:54] well can people just think about this section and also think about what we do with

[1:20:01] the Piggory?

[1:20:02] Yeah.

[1:20:05] We give them a pasture.

[1:20:07] You need to lead it.

[1:20:09] And some shade.

[1:20:10] live stock farm. I don't think you can exclude raising pigs from other

[1:20:19] livestock operations. I can either.

[1:20:29] My husband won't let me do it. Can we

[1:20:42] move on?

[1:20:43] We're all tired. I know and then you've got a non-exempt farm stand here.

[1:20:52] There's so much here, I just wanted to scroll through it so that you guys knew what was

[1:20:58] going on.

[1:21:00] And for us to pick through what we think is agriculturally relevant.

[1:21:07] Here we go.

[1:21:08] Can you get some definitions and then we, some clarity rather and then we meet again for

[1:21:15] the purposes.

[1:21:16] Is any that's up top there is I'm sorry what?

[1:21:25] Eating beach miniature golf course

[1:21:32] Bowling alley. I'm thinking of like the marijuana micro like growing it.

[1:21:37] Wait, under mark. You know where the writing academy is now there's something marked no.

[1:21:44] one of the residential, okay, commercial recreation can't vote or can you

[1:21:50] live a marine arriving can you? Oh, word one of them says no now which one is

[1:21:56] that? Oh, urban residential. Oh, it's residential. Is that suburban residential?

[1:22:04] Urban, you know, suburban residential. So that has to be it. That's that's real

[1:22:08] recreational, isn't it? What about the RCR, what's that? And RCR is recreational

[1:22:16] residential. And that shouldn't be a no. Marshall recreation camps are four. I mean

[1:22:23] originally.

[1:22:26] There's the canoe livery marina. Well, we've got we've got to flag the

[1:22:32] writing academy thing under that heading that's not right well

[1:22:39] why thank you for spotting that

[1:22:45] yeah and then no why would they want to block a recreational camp in the rural recreational

[1:22:52] district

[1:22:56] that's odd isn't it yeah isn't that the isn't that the definition of that

[1:23:03] Is landscaping into considered agriculture?

[1:23:08] No.

[1:23:12] Okay.

[1:23:13] So we can comment on this because it includes a writing academy.

[1:23:19] It's recreational residents, but still recreational is in the definition.

[1:23:28] Yeah.

[1:23:28] That doesn't make sense.

[1:23:35] Well, shouldn't they say a writing academy is stable?

[1:23:41] Liam, what I think I'm saying is that we've just gone through this whole thing about

[1:23:47] writing stables, writing academies and so forth, that we're going to send off to the planning

[1:23:53] board that is as a right, here they've got included writing academy in this recreational

[1:24:04] use is and it's not as a right. You need planning board approval in recreational and suburban.

[1:24:20] Well, send it be a yes instead of planning because it should be this should all be in terms of

[1:24:29] writing Academy, anyway, this should all be yeses. So they've they've lumped

[1:24:34] these camp, the vote, canoeing, marina, and writing Academy all together, and

[1:24:41] the writing Academy doesn't belong.

[1:24:45] What is a writing Academy? They get a

[1:24:48] computer, they can't be a writing Academy. There's a

[1:24:52] camp that just has a writing,

[1:24:58] like say it's a camp, but it's just for writing.

[1:25:00] Sure. There's a definition of writing academy. It's a licensed establishment where horses

[1:25:09] are kept for sale writing, for compensation, or incidental to the operation of a club association

[1:25:18] or similar establishment.

[1:25:22] It might not be a farm facility. It might be some other more commercial.

[1:25:29] Well, Tony, we were asked to apply for a special permit

[1:25:35] as a writing academy.

[1:25:38] Was it six years ago?

[1:25:40] Yes.

[1:25:41] So this was the use that started all the fun for us.

[1:25:49] Yes.

[1:25:52] And what we've done, Tony, is we've gone through case law

[1:25:58] case law that includes writing stables, writing, academy, and so forth, as an agricultural

[1:26:06] use by right.

[1:26:12] So, I mean, they could be lumping together two things, one horse farms, the other camps

[1:26:18] like YMCA that lease horses for the summer and offer writing as one of the activities for

[1:26:27] campers but it's not the main part of the camp. Well I thought is if it's just a camp that

[1:26:36] does write what's the difference what would be the difference if they say oh this is camp

[1:26:40] whatever and I just ride like they market it as a camp but it's on a farm. Yeah there'd be no difference

[1:26:50] I mean, we're a farm who has a license to operate a camp.

[1:26:55] Yeah.

[1:26:58] So I think in Hollis has a horse show ground in a building that I think houses some horses.

[1:27:09] But it's not a farm.

[1:27:10] It's a horse activity area.

[1:27:14] Right.

[1:27:15] I wonder if that would be fallen on a academy.

[1:27:17] way. Oh, because they have the ring lumped in with all the hills and all that. Yeah.

[1:27:27] Oh,

[1:27:27] that that introduces, yeah, you have a horse show ground. Oh, that's correct. Yeah. Yeah,

[1:27:36] it's just for, you know, shows and the recreational use because it's a wreck facility. It's a

[1:27:44] And it's owned by the town.

[1:27:45] Yes.

[1:27:47] Brought to the, of course, barked to the ground.

[1:27:53] Yeah.

[1:27:59] All right.

[1:28:00] So again.

[1:28:01] We should be removed that.

[1:28:03] This should be removed.

[1:28:05] Yeah.

[1:28:14] Let's see.

[1:28:18] Moving down.

[1:28:19] There's a composting facility here.

[1:28:22] So is the marijuana not related?

[1:28:25] if you're growing it as part of greenhouse and other. I don't think it's

[1:28:32] farming. I don't know if people just I mean it's a type of

[1:28:39] plant. Yeah. I don't know

[1:28:45] what's the difference between hemp and marijuana.

[1:28:52] I know there was a

[1:28:56] It's a commercial product that has less than 3% THC in it, and marijuana would be that

[1:29:09] the additional or recreational use of which THC is a higher level.

[1:29:14] So, ones for textiles, commercial uses, the other ones for getting high.

[1:29:27] Right.

[1:29:28] So, hemp would fall under agriculture, and they have a whole section just on marijuana.

[1:29:35] So, they're not considering marijuana as being an agricultural product.

[1:29:39] I think that's what it is.

[1:29:42] MDOT considers it an agricultural product because you get a license to grow it to MDOT.

[1:29:48] Oh really?

[1:29:49] Oh yeah.

[1:29:50] Remember there was a farm that grew it in Pepperel and they had a sino front something

[1:29:56] about.

[1:30:01] So it's license through there. So there's a whole section here, Tony, on marijuana.

[1:30:13] We had somebody

[1:30:16] in town applied for that license. And the select board assigned that licensing opportunity

[1:30:23] to that party, they were going to open up an indoor facility in Lomar Park, never have

[1:30:30] those Christine Simons and another person together.

[1:30:39] Mary White is almost exclusively growing

[1:30:41] indoors in a controlled environment.

[1:30:49] This is the tail end of the Table of

[1:30:52] Uses. It's got here the keeping of domestic animals in a garden primarily intended for

[1:30:58] use an enjoyment of a household, why that's in the table of uses, I have no idea, but

[1:31:04] it's loud by right, me, seriously, why would you put that in the table of uses?

[1:31:12] Then they have the keeping of non-domestic animals for personal enjoyment or household

[1:31:18] use, accessory to a residential use, and it's allowed except in urban residential and

[1:31:27] Of course, commercial and industrial.

[1:31:29] Would that be, like, exotic animals?

[1:31:33] Are we talking snakes?

[1:31:35] Like lefards?

[1:31:36] What?

[1:31:37] Lions and giraffes and hippopotamus and elephants.

[1:31:42] All right.

[1:31:44] I mean, what about like peacocks, I don't know.

[1:31:47] Yes.

[1:31:47] One of those Peafap, no.

[1:31:51] I think we need a definition of what a non-domestic animal

[1:31:57] is for personal enjoyment. I don't understand that one at all.

[1:32:26] It'd be a

[1:32:27] ground-mounted solar energy, small scale, but if it gets larger than small scale, it requires

[1:32:33] planning board permitting, and it's not allowed in recreational, residential, or urban residential.

[1:32:43] So, isn't it supposed to be just for commercial use,

[1:32:51] this whole table,

[1:32:55] that doesn't say just for

[1:32:57] commercial use. This is my keeping of domestic animals and gardens per million

[1:33:05] ten for use of enjoyment of a household.

[1:33:10] Why this is all lumped together? Naomi, I think

[1:33:13] that's really the question. I have no. What do they consider on the list of domestic?

[1:33:18] Like what's there? I don't know. Naomi, I don't know. I don't understand why that's even there.

[1:33:25] Because my thought is you have a small chicken coop and you have about, you know, six chickens.

[1:33:36] Yeah, but that seems to say yes.

[1:33:39] And everything's yes.

[1:33:41] But why are you lumping these?

[1:33:43] I'm just thinking of the, like any urban residential.

[1:33:48] Oh wait, hold up.

[1:33:49] Are you looking at the wrong?

[1:33:51] No, if you're looking at the wrong one, never mind.

[1:33:57] So at the very end, the last line item is data centers

[1:34:05] and they are allowed by right in industrial.

[1:34:17] special permit. Special permit.

[1:34:24] So, so, so the main board would have to review and do a special permit. But when we spoke to Jason Clegghorn, I, I recall him saying that data centers were off. The data centers were off.

[1:34:44] table but they're not.

[1:34:49] But I guess this is the section that we're

[1:34:53] ready to write something up about industrial scale hydroponic

[1:34:58] greenhouses. This is where you'd put it along with the. So you put it

[1:35:04] under data center. Now this is this section. I mean other uses.

[1:35:09] Oh, okay. You might put it.

[1:35:14] All right.

[1:35:15] Do we need that being with the greenhouses?

[1:35:18] Yeah, it could be under the commercial section as well.

[1:35:34] But this table, this I'm hopping on this,

[1:35:37] but this table of use is would allow data center,

[1:35:42] a data center to come in town.

[1:35:52] So folks, we do need to focus on this.

[1:35:57] I think if we think we're landscaping art, by the way.

[1:36:02] Okay, contract of your outdoor storage used to be a zoning board of appeal, but the

[1:36:11] planning board is is and solid waste facility does that include compost?

[1:36:20] Composing was marked no or was that a separate one?

[1:36:28] See solid waste here.

[1:36:31] I just know waste I just didn't know if they have a separate for compost.

[1:36:35] There is a separate one for compost.

[1:36:37] Yeah, composting is a job.

[1:36:40] So no composting.

[1:36:47] I wonder if there should be cited with the exception of composting under MDAC control licensing.

[1:36:58] Because there is an exception that exception.

[1:37:08] Yeah.

[1:37:09] So you're saying composting facility here, Tony?

[1:37:15] Somewhere I should say that farm composting that does M dial licenses are allowed.

[1:37:21] Right.

[1:37:29] Yeah, because we need to be sure that farms can compost.

[1:37:34] Right?

[1:37:35] Is that what you said?

[1:37:36] I wonder.

[1:37:37] Yes.

[1:37:38] Yes, but even.

[1:37:40] Well, that says of a silly question.

[1:37:42] Let him.

[1:37:45] Don't break in.

[1:37:46] Let him.

[1:37:47] Finish.

[1:37:47] Well, there's not every firm is big enough to want a license from MDAR.

[1:37:55] So somebody who has five horses should be able to compost their horseman or meet, you know,

[1:38:05] some regulations on how to compost if you just got five horses, but the whole lot of this

[1:38:13] goes back to Renee's worry about for the Board of Health that we've got renewal piles

[1:38:20] around town and if we could say that those are allowed by right, that would be helpful.

[1:38:35] I just looked up the MDAR composting program and it, this is for farms that accept offsite

[1:38:41] material.

[1:38:47] Yeah, so I mean we compost,

[1:38:54] but you know, we give it we just someone who compost it on another farm and then the

[1:39:02] hay field.

[1:39:05] Actually composting it when you put it in a pile, so she put it in a pile in a

[1:39:16] But

[1:39:20] it's a good opportunity to answer one A's, what are we?

[1:39:26] All right.

[1:39:28] I'm going to stop screen sharing.

[1:39:35] There we go.

[1:39:37] All right.

[1:39:37] We're all pretty tired.

[1:39:42] So, let's review where we are.

[1:39:45] Okay.

[1:39:45] We've talked about the Grange dinner.

[1:39:48] I'm to email Andrew and ask him how we go about, um,

[1:39:57] I'm presenting receipts and getting...

[1:40:03] Emberst.

[1:40:04] Reimbursed.

[1:40:08] And I will do that tomorrow.

[1:40:12] We haven't talked about our right to farm presentation for fall town meeting, but

[1:40:19] if that's workable for everybody, shall we table it for after open farm day?

[1:40:25] Yeah. Let's do another meeting. Okay.

[1:40:33] And then I'm to send out an email to everybody,

[1:40:39] letting them know that our main course is being provided by fellows at the

[1:40:44] range. It will be at 4.30. Say, should we say 4.30 to 6? Yeah, but you're sending it out

[1:40:53] to the people that said yes, right. You did go through everybody. If you send it to everybody

[1:41:00] now and we pick up more people, we're in trouble. We won't have enough food. Just to the people

[1:41:07] who said yes. Yeah, that's a good idea, because they've had plenty of opportunity to say yes.

[1:41:13] It wasn't you sent it out at least twice. Yeah. And the only person who haven't really, should I

[1:41:19] try and find out about Teresa LeBlanc. Why don't I try and just email her separately

[1:41:27] just to confirm she's not coming to the range dinner. Okay.

[1:41:34] All right. So we've

[1:41:36] got Eric and Korra, Lucy and Jim, Tony, Andrew and Isabel, me and Ellie, Brittany and

[1:41:46] Harvey, Fred Farmer, Dave Armstrong and his wife,

[1:41:53] the community garden people, Naomi

[1:41:55] and her mom, and her mom, sorry, so that's the group.

[1:42:01] If someone needs it instead of Korra, she's not crazy about Lasagna, so in fact she's

[1:42:08] never had it, she's a very picky eater.

[1:42:12] Well, why don't we bring some, how about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?

[1:42:21] I don't even want, Ellie will eat lasagna.

[1:42:24] I love that as a kid.

[1:42:28] Oh, I did too.

[1:42:30] Well.

[1:42:31] We're going to have some vegetarian lasagna as well as some meat lasagna.

[1:42:36] Oh.

[1:42:38] Now it's all vegetarian.

[1:42:39] I mean, it's all cheese, lasagna.

[1:42:42] No vegetables.

[1:42:43] Yeah, no meat.

[1:42:45] No meat.

[1:42:47] You're going to get your salad.

[1:42:47] You'll have vegetables, yeah.

[1:42:52] Oh, where am I going to get my meat?

[1:42:56] Yes, we need it.

[1:42:58] Go to go to go eat meat before.

[1:43:00] Hey, you're going to go to Campbell's and pick up pies,

[1:43:03] right?

[1:43:04] When you're going to do Campbell's and pick up pies.

[1:43:07] Pies.

[1:43:08] I can do that. There are 22 bucks a piece.

[1:43:11] Yeah, that's why I share it when we impersonate.

[1:43:15] And we're starting to push the budget, I think.

[1:43:18] We really are. I suggest that we make them.

[1:43:22] And bring brownies.

[1:43:24] I'll make, I'll bring brownies.

[1:43:26] And we'll have the donated pumpkin and vanilla ice cream on them.

[1:43:31] We're the brownies.

[1:43:32] That sounds good.

[1:43:34] And we can do fudge sauce.

[1:43:35] something like that. Okay, thank you. I'll do Bren.

[1:43:45] I've been some weener hot dogs

[1:43:47] on toothpicks. We're gonna have me somewhere. No, you don't. You don't, sorry.

[1:44:02] So people once again, now that you're served, we've scrolled through the table of uses, please, please, please, please focus on this.

[1:44:11] And Eric will revise our memo, our next memo to the planning board, and we'll get that off to the planning board, say by Friday.

[1:44:26] and just let them know more to come because we will have to discuss the hydroponic greenhouse,

[1:44:33] but now that you know about the table of use you can figure out where can it go. And I suggest

[1:44:41] that it is the sort of thing given the industrial scale of what we have in mind that it's only appropriate

[1:44:51] for the industrial zone. It's not even appropriate for the commercial zone.

[1:44:56] Given where our commercial zone is located, which is...

[1:45:00] Allong Main Street. Right. Right.

[1:45:04] So, aye, person would like to have another option. That's ag oriented

[1:45:12] and friendly as a data center or a warehouse. Yes. So anybody thought about urban agriculture

[1:45:22] culture with their growing and containers. Box big box containers.

[1:45:29] That's going to be

[1:45:30] allowed. It should be allowed. It is that culture, yeah.

[1:45:38] They pretty much, if you look at the table of uses, Tony, they pretty much with urban residential,

[1:45:45] they pretty much outlawed most recreational uses, agriculture and everything.

[1:45:54] They really have.

[1:45:58] That's somebody I understand.

[1:46:01] Somebody's not understanding that we're now growing on the container boxes.

[1:46:07] That may be more increasing product by food supply.

[1:46:11] Yeah. Well, if you're living in urban residential, the way with the

[1:46:18] different changes if people go for that, it's not going to be a very interesting

[1:46:24] place to live.

[1:46:28] If you go for that, you might want to put a 40-foot box behind a

[1:46:34] house and farm in there. I mean, if you go down the column and you look

[1:46:42] at what is allowed or permitted in urban residential.

[1:46:48] You could have a cemetery.

[1:46:53] Can we look at our own time, man, I make a motion to adjourn?

[1:46:59] Good idea.

[1:47:02] Thank you.

[1:47:03] Are we all done for tonight?

[1:47:06] I guess it's another way.

[1:47:06] I think the only thing I had was that letter by Andrea Dunn, I was going to suggest that

[1:47:13] Yeah, mine. In the first line, adding it says working farms just add family farms to that. Yeah. Yeah, so that's all. All right, make a motion to adjourn. Wait, wait, wait, Lucy. Wait, wait, wait. It's not your second. It.

[1:47:30] To set you to second it. No, no.

[1:47:36] Um, you're going to, especially for emotion.

[1:47:40] Eric, you're going to reach back to Sangeeta Chandra.

[1:47:44] I may just let her... she said she'd like to come so I don't want to push her too much.

[1:47:51] I just... doesn't show up, I'll email her.

[1:47:58] Well, can you send her just a survey email saying, hey, you know, coming up, we can see you?

[1:48:05] Yeah, sure, okay.

[1:48:06] And Anne's gonna do in the tour? No. No. She said she's not available. Yep. Okay.

[1:48:16] Um, yeah, but she'll just see if she be willing.

[1:48:27] Okay, I'm going through and Tony, you're gonna get in touch with Fred Farmer.

[1:48:31] I am, come on.

[1:48:34] Tomorrow.

[1:48:35] Okay.

[1:48:37] Who's mine?

[1:48:39] All right.

[1:48:40] Now, Lucy, if you want to motion to adjourn.

[1:48:46] I'd like to make a motion to adjourn.

[1:48:49] Do I have a second?

[1:48:52] Sure.

[1:48:53] Yay!

[1:48:55] I can't see my face.

[1:48:56] I don't know why.

[1:48:56] All right.

[1:48:57] Buzz them.

[1:48:58] All right.

[1:48:58] Good night everybody.

[1:48:59] Ready?

Agricultural Commission

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